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-okay so the first question is what is an
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-example of a car
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-a package currently in
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-a non-elpa repo that does not work well
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-with Emacs
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-well one of them is s dot el
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-and this is what made me aware that
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-there was an issue here that caused
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-problems well s.e.l
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-is a beautifully written package
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-that appears to be very useful for
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-people
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-and there's just one thing wrong with it
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-it gobbled up the name space
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-of symbols starting with s dash
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-and I was shocked to discover that
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-somebody who had not coordinated with
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-the Emacs developers at all
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-had implemented a package using such a
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-short prefix which
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-isn't the right way to do things oh by
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-the way the questions have moved off the
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-screen this is no good I can continue
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-answering this one
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-but I'll be stuck when this one is over
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-anyway so uh
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-and I was told that there was nothing I
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-could do about it
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-that so many users packages were using
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-swl and thus essentially using that
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-definition
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-of the s dash star symbols
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-that any attempt to use them
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-publicly or privately for anything else
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-would lead to horrible problems
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-and I don't like that
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-I decided I wanted to do something
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-a so that that wouldn't happen again
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-and b to make it unhappen
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-in that case well the way to make it
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-unhappen in that case is with a new
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-symbol renaming feature the idea is
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-you rename that file to something else
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-and then you define an s.e.l that
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-sets up symbol renaming and then loads
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-the something else
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-so it actually runs the same code it
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-just
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-doesn't globally define the symbols
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-s dash whatever but they
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-appear to work for the programs that
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-explicitly
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-require that require sdl
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-or the s package so this gets the same
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-behavior for all the programs that are
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-using that library
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-and uh doesn't interfere
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-with the global name space at all
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-however to do that we need to have a
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-package
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-s.e.l that isn't the same
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-totally a short file that's totally
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-different
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-plus we've got to have the file that
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-normally is called
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-s.e.l available but
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-uh under another name well
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-how are we going to do that we can't put
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-this into
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-into Emacs in a nice way that
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-won't make the uh won't make the
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-maintainer angry
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-of the mate to the developer of that
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-package
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-but we can do it with non-gnu
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-elpa we can put those two things into
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-non-gnu elpa
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-without any difficulty and this shows
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-one of the advantages
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-we can put files we can put packages
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-into non-gdu elpa
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-and make changes in them now in general
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-we wouldn't
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-go to the effort of making big changes
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-that's just too much to do
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-unless something's really important but
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-small changes
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-that help things fit in are
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-easy to do and
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-uh okay oh so basically the recording
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-didn't get anything until now I just saw
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-a note pop up this session is now being
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-recorded
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-I hope it's been recorded all along it
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-would be a shame to
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-spoil oh good okay
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-okay good so uh that's one of the issues
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-uh does non-gnu eopa already exist
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-or is this a sort of quote plan I don't
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-know why you have to
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-put scare quotes around the word plan
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-it's sort of in between
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-it's the creation of it is started you
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-will find
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-that there is an archive that it's
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-possible to download packages from
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-and there is a repository to put them in
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-but that's not the way it's really
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-supposed to work
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-uh this is not supposed to be like the
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-new elpa where there's
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-one repo for all the packages and thus
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-anyone who wants to edit any of them
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-anyone that we want to have edit any of
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-them
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-has got to have access to the whole
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-thing for one thing
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-some packages will make
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-an arrangement with the developers
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-and they'll assure us that they will
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-do things as things should be done and
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-then we'll
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-have their repo copied automatically
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-or in other cases say
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-copied manually with a little checking
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-every so often
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-uh and then uh in
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-other cases we'll need to have our own
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-repo for a particular package
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-but we shouldn't have a single repo for
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-all the packages we should have a repo
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-for each package
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-so that the people working on that can
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-get access to modify it
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-this has to be finished setting up
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-and we're still working out the
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-procedures
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-for instance for making the arrangements
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-with the developers of a package so that
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-we can
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-we hope uh entrust its development to
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-them and
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-rely on them directly
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-and there may be more that needs to be
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-worked on
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-oh there's so many questions
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-well I hope you the third question is
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-what are the benefits
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-I hope that people now see the benefits
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-I've described them
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-uh next question is it possible to work
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-with the melba team
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-to integrate that into Emacs
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-no because the goal doesn't make sense
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-melba the way it's done does not belong
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-inside Emacs in any sense well first of
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-all it can't literally be
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-inside Emacs we don't have copyright
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-assignments for that code
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-and to get it would be unfeasible
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-but we're not asking for copyright
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-assignments for
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-non-gnu elpa so that's
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-you might wonder could melpa be merged
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-with non-venue elpa the problem is
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-melpa doesn't modify the packages
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-it's just a place to find releases of
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-packages wherever they happen to be
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-and they put packages in with
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-only a little bit of checking
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-so no we there are a lot of packages
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-that are
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-in melpa that we'd like to get into
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-non-canoe elpa I don't know the names of
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-most of them but I expect most of them
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-would be fine to have but they've got to
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-be looked at one by one
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-there are some rules for non-glpa
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-and the only way to check them is to
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-check them on one package at a time
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-and that's going to take effort
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-now with the people who work on melba
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-want to get involved
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-of this that would be great
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-I haven't tried asking them first we've
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-got to get this thing
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-set up I doubt they would want to
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-but if they said yes that would be
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-wonderful
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-uh any thoughts of packages being
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-added I'm afraid
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-um
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-I'm afraid any thoughts of packages
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-being added as
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-some url I don't know anything about but
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-it talks about open source
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-which means I'm very unlikely to have
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-much
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-in common with whatever they say about
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-either licensing or
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-what's right and wrong uh
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-but this seems to be something about
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-disregarding licenses
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-altogether well that is basically
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-asking to lose there are reasons
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-why we developed gnu licenses to release
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-software why we have criteria
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-for which licenses make a program free
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-software
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-if the program doesn't carry a license
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-or if it carries a non-free license that
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-program
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-is not free software now you can
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-maybe get away with disregarding that
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-fact uh unless
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-somebody an author or publisher stops
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-you
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-but we're not going to take we're not
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-basically going to
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-disregard the question of whether the
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-software we
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-recommend to people really is free
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-software or not
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-that's basically uh
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-blindfolding yourself to the legal
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-situation of the software you're
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-distributing
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-it's a terrible idea uh if they
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-disregard our licenses they will hear
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-from us about it
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-and if you want to contribute to the
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-free world
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-put free licenses on your code
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-and choose good ones to get this
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-information
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-look at gnu.org slash licensing
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-in particular slash licenses
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-and one page that input that's important
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-is license
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-dash recommendations.html
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-that's where we advise you on what
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-license we would recommend you use
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-depending on the circumstances
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-there's also license dash list dot html
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-which describes a lot of licenses and
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-says which ones are free
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-which ones are compatible with the new
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-gpl
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-it's really important to use only gpl
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-compatible licenses
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-so that the various programs can be
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-or linked and
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-you can also get other information about
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-gnu licenses
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-and the reasons why they are written the
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-oh sorry I don't see the next question
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-oh why do I insist on using per and
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-purrs
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-uh I'm not happy with using
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-they which is a plural pronoun with a
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-singular antecedent
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-it's bad because it causes
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-confusion that is completely gratuitous
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-many sentences become a lot of work
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-to parse and understand if you
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-add that ambiguity that source of him of
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-regular ambiguity now
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-I do not accept the demands of other
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-people
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-in regard to changing my grammar
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-you can try to convince me but
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-no one is entitled to give me orders
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-about that
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-or state their desires and expect
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-obedience not for me and not from you
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-or anyone we are all
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-equally entitled to decide
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-how we will speak and how we won't speak
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-now I've spelled out all of these points
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-in a file called stolman.org
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-articles slash
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-genderneutrality.html
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-of course this is not a gnu project
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-policy
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-it's my own personal ideas on the
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-subject
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-if any of you feels offended
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-by my referring to you with a singular
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-gender neutral pronoun feel free
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-to ex contact me privately
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-and explain to me your reasons
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-I will pay attention to them I'll
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-think about them assuming that they're
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-not something I've already
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-considered and decided to dismiss before
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-but you must not speak to me as if I had
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-no business not obeying you because
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-that's
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-rude and it is not likely to convince me
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-to change my mind
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-I believe it is not actually
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-of stating offense to anyone
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-and the fact that somebody disagrees
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-with me does not mean I'm wrong
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-but I always can be wrong
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-when you wrote that you could add a
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-package to non your new elpa
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-are you implying that you would add
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-packages with or without package
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-maintainers knowledge
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-of course the packages we would
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-we would distribute in this way are free
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-software
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-everyone is entitled to redistribute
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-them
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-and everyone is also entitled to modify
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-them
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-and redistribute them that's part of the
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-meaning of free software
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-I have been unable to understand
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-how there came to be an idea
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-that those who redistribute packages
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-have some idea to be mere
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-some obligation to be near mirrors
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-and not modify things themselves
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-well if a package is
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-being maintained by developers who are
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-cooperating with us
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-we'll normally just leave it to them
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-after all
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-we have lots of other work to do they
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-are
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-clearly experts on the packages they've
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-developed
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-let's leave it to them if they make that
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-sort of arrangement with us but
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-that's up to them we can't insist that
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-anyone make an arrangement with us
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-but since those programs are free
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-software anyone c is
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-free to redistribute them and we will do
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-that
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-have you ever used vi or vim or
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-evil mode no
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-are there any plans to implement
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-security considerations in non-gnu
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-elpa uh we probably
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-should and this will have to be
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-implemented
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-but at the moment
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-developer Emacs maintainers will copy
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-packages
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-into it and so as long as they are
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-verifying the packages and getting the
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-packages from the right place
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-that will take care of the security once
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-there is
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-when with automatic copying in
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-will have to do something to
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-make sure that we're fetching the
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-packages securely
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-and uh some of you might be interested
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-in
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-helping to design and implement this
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-system
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-uh what distro do I use
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-uh well which distro of gnu slash linux
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-do I use
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-I use tree scale
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-I haven't tried most of the free distros
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-and the reason is it's not crucial that
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-I do so
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-we don't need me to rate the various
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-free distros on
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-practical questions because anyone can
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-do that as well as I can
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-and so you can tell people what
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-you think of using them for me what's
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-important to me
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-is to inform people of the difference
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-between the free distros
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-and the non-free distros making sure
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-people are aware that if you
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-install a non-free gnu slash linux
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-distro you'll get a free operating
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-system with
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-non-free stuff in various quantities
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-added thus you will not reach freedom
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-although you you'll make a lot of
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-progress compared
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-with using for instance windows or
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-mac os or whatever vicious thing it
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-might be
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-I'd like to I'd like to people to be
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-aware
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-of this next step towards
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-getting freedom for yourself and your
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-own computing
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-so that you can do that if you want to
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-uh
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-so who gets to make the final decision
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-regarding
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-non-gnu elpa the
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-emax maintainers are going to be in
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-charge of this
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-but because it's not
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-just a technical decision it has with
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-only technical consequences
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-but in general unless there's some
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-severe problem with the package we will
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-want to put it in
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-and I expect most packages won't have a
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-problem
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-and we can just put them in when we get
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-to them
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-won't the elpa link to non-free sites
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-like github
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-uh it's a mistake to talk about a
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-non-free site
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-because a site is not a program
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-a program is either free or non-free and
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-we have
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-clearly stated criteria for that in
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-gnu.org philosophy slash
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-free dash sw.html we have the free
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-software definition
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-but a site well their programs on it
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-but it doesn't make sense to ask whether
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-the site is
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-free or not it's too simplistic a
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-question
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-to have a meaningful answer now one
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-thing you can ask about is does the site
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-send javascript to the user's machine
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-to the user's browser and if so is that
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-javascript
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-non-free well github
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-does send non-free javascript for some
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-operations
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-so we consider it unsatisfactory as a
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-repository
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-but uh that doesn't mean linking to it
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-for is a bad thing to do regardless of
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-what the purpose is
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-for instance if the purpose is to refer
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-to some things
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-that you can access without running the
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-non-free javascript
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-then it's okay for that purpose
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-so if now that you understand the
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-details of this issue
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-you think that there is a problem with
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-the
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-link to camel there's
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-sorry a link in camel dot html
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-well report it to
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-uh bug gnu emax reported as an Emacs bug
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-but do think about the criteria I've
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-just said because maybe it's not a
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-problem
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-is it okay to use the gnu of pharaoh gpl
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-for emax packages
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-yes it is
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-uh which is your favorite programming
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-language
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-if lisp which variant
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-well I don't exactly have a
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-favorite variant but
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-when I designed Emacs lisp I
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-did the best thing I could think of at
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-the time
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-subject to the need to keep it small
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-for the first few years it was important
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-for gdu Emacs
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-to run in a machine which could only
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-give it half
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-a meg of user space
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-so there are a lot of constructs that
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-clearly were desirable to include
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-that I left out because we could
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-make it work without them
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-and then a lot of those have been added
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-since because
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-it's been a long time since we needed to
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-keep Emacs so rigorously small
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-um someone is
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-asking about the
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-fsf's repository project well
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-we agreed that there would be another
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-virtual machine
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-running one of those for the gnu project
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-but that's as far as the discussion went
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-question 17 is extremely insulting
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-I have not engaged in sexual harassment
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-don't expect me to plead guilty to such
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-a
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-nasty claim
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-people have been accusing me of many
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-things
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-some of which are
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-basically mole hills and some of which
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-are false so
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-uh I'm not going to give them
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-anything I have been bullied in a
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-horrible way
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-that was wrong
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-I would like the bullies to apologize to
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-me
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-and when I see that they're not bullying
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-I will forgive them
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-I would like to have conversations with
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-them if any of the mole hills
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-annoyed someone I'm happy to talk
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-with her and thus
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-uh help help resolve things with peace
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-and my opinion on
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-quote diversity within
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-Emacs well Emacs is
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-never going to be diverse it is extended
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-in
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-one language Emacs lisp
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-well I don't know uh we did have an idea
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-of implementing extensibility using
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-scheme and the hope was that guile
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-could be integrated with Emacs that
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-turned out to be difficult it may be
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-impossible but in principle
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-it might be a good thing that would be a
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-small amount of diversity
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-but it's not that important
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-what I think is really important for
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-developing Emacs
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-is to make it do word processing
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-I sometimes use libra office
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-and yeah I can make it do things
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-it has features for wysiwyg which are
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-very nice
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-but it's in other regards
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-it's not Emacs and it doesn't have the
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-abilities of Emacs
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-and it should
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-so I urge people to work on extending
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-Emacs
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-in that direction adding the features
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-that a word processor has to have
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-the last question I can answer is
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-18 but yes it's a very sad thing
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-how many companies
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-insist on using non-free software
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-well I would get a different kind of job
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-that's a decision I made many years ago
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-early in the gnu project
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-I decided I would not first I would not
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-get a job developing non-free software
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-and later on I decided
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-once I could stop using non-free
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-software that is once we had
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-a gnu slash linux system that we could
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-switch over to and uh
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-oh wait I thought I thought magic wand
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-time meant it was time to stop
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-but now I rather ask the question
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-uh
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-so what do you do well if I were you
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-I'd probably not work for any of those
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-companies
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-if I needed to make money I'd get a job
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-but I get some
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-other kind of job
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-that didn't involve using software
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-I would or that let me choose the
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-software I would use
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-but I would live cheaply you know the
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-less you spend
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-the less you need to make and the more
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-time
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-you can take away from your paid work
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-and the more flexibility you have in
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-which paid work
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-you can do being in a position
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-to say no to avoid being
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-desperate to say yes
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-uh strengthens your position
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-and you need that one way you can help
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-do that is by
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-not having children now that is a
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-tangent but it can't be denied that
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-raising children is very expensive I
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-have heard
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-many people say that they are
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-uncomfortable with their jobs
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-but they have to do those jobs to make
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-enough money
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-to support their children
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-well think about that be aware
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-that's likely to happen to you before
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-you make that decision
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-what would I
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-what would I change about free software
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-well since this is
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-magic I would magically find
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-a way of showing everyone why
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-most free software needs to be copy
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-lifted
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-so that our community would not
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-basically
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-submit to abuse by proprietary software
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-developers
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-of course I could go further if I could
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-magically recruit a hundred thousand
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-good programmers to do lots of work
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-improving free software
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-we might well if we could do this 20
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-years ago we might have wiped out
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-non-free systems and then we wouldn't
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-have had
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-horrible things like
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-world wide web drm that
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-no one has the courage to resist
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-if they're desperately trying to get
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-money for anything
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-and if they need approval of companies
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-of the big companies that push for drm
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-uh then they don't dare even resist as
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-much as they can resist
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-and look what happened to the world wide
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-web consortium
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-uh they surrendered blatantly
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-and ignominiously by
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-endorsing the drm system
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-so what can you do I don't have a magic
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-wand
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-I'm a human being with the capabilities
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-I have
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-but the advantage of
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-great firmness in campaigning for free
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-software
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-and this enables me to do things
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-that no one else will do
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-what tools from pre unix days do you
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-miss
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-well I don't I don't think about them
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-with
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-missing them actually but
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-it was sort of nice to have
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-ddt as your login shell
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-so in using modern terminology
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-because that meant at any time you could
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-stop a program lotus debugging symbols
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-and start examining the data in the
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-instructions
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-you could debug it that way and then you
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-could even
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-patch in instructions to continue
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-running that job with the bug fixed
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-in fact you could even do this with the
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-system kernel
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-so that your jobs wouldn't get lost I
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-did that
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-quite a few times of course sometimes I
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-saw what was wrong and I just had to
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-fix a piece of data but sometimes
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-00:33:25.919 --> 00:33:28.240
-it took me a long time to figure out how
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-to get the system to
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-keep on going but with the work I had
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-done
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-I didn't want to lose that work
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-and so one of the first features I put
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-into gdu Emacs was
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-auto save
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-uh I'm not going to try to figure out
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-which packages I re I actually used
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-uh if I knew I would get hit by a bus
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-tomorrow
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-uh say because of a fortune teller
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-no a fortune teller doesn't give you any
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-knowledge it's just
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-superstitious uh hand waving
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-so assuming that I
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-talked that I got a reading from a
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-fortune teller which is
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-implausible enough to begin with uh
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-that wouldn't give me any knowledge
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-about what was going to happen to me
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-oh by the way fortune tellers generally
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-play back to you facts that they've
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-discovered about you
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-together with cold reading which means
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-they say things calculated to make it
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-appear that they know
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-more than they do or things that are
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-uh that sound wise to anyone
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-so you can say the same thing to
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-uh say 100 people
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-and 80 or 90 of them will say boy that
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-was really accurate
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-00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.400
-but what if for some reason
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-uh about
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-what what advice would I give for
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-stewardship of
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-Emacs well basically
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-focus on
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-keeping the community strong in
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-defending
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-freedom if you have a choice between
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-keeping the community strong in
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-defending freedom
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-and getting more people to participate
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-in the development
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-you've got to choose the freedom it is
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-very
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-easy for free software projects to
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-subordinate freedom to other criteria
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-and once that happens it's
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-easy for those who don't care much about
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-freedom
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-such as sometimes companies that might
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-offer you some money
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-to purchase your soul
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-not that there are really things that
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-exist called souls it's a metaphor but
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-it's an important metaphor for something
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-important
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-00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.880
-people in the community have to be
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-thinking about freedom
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-when they make decisions about what is
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-wise to do
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-the decision to devel to set up non-glpa
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-has a drawback it was a compromise now a
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-lot of people will
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-tell you that I am uncompromising and
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-say that that's a flaw
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-well they're wrong I make little
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-compromises
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-very often and occasionally I make a
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-00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:55.359
-medium-sized compromise
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-the compromise is in the past we wanted
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-to get
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-copyright assignments for the packages
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-in gnu
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-elpa so that we could move them into
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-core Emacs and of course sometimes we
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-move packages in the other direction
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-that way we are where we distribute a
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-given package
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-is something we can decide purely
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-technically
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-and however make insisting on getting
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-copyright assignments for all the
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-packages in gnu elpa
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-meant that we had to say sorry no
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-we will not install that packages in
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-packaging dewey lpa unless the
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-authors sign copyright assignments and
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-sometimes that's a lot of trouble
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-00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.520
-well non-glpa
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-won't require copyright assignments if
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-there's a free package
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-we can make whatever changes presumably
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-small otherwise we would probably say
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-we don't have time but and then
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-put it in but it does have the drawback
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-that
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-00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.680
-we in general we won't be able to move
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-those packages
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-into core Emacs without
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-getting the legal papers then that we
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-didn't get before
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-how do you see the future of gdu Emacs
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-uh I don't see the future
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-I used to say that my crystal ball is
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-cloudy today
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-unfortunately that has another
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-meaning which is quite ironic uh we
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-certainly don't want
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-our lives to be
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-somewhere in a cloud because
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-that clouds your mind and then people
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-start
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-cheating you and taking advantage of you
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-and it's horrible
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-but uh I don't see the future I just
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-can be sure from the past that there
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-will be
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-challenges where some of the people
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-involved want to make a big compromise
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-that isn't worth it
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-and they some they may even get the
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-impression that it's
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-up to them well actually
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-Emacs has appointed maintainers just as
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-every gdu package does and they are the
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-ones in charge of developing that
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-package
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-and this is for a good reason
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-because the appointed maintainers take
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-responsibility
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-to carry out the gnu project policies
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-and most important of all
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-are the ones that make the whole system
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-work together
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-and the ethical standards
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-to respect freedom and defend freedom
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-is there any plan to move more packages
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-from core Emacs into elpa
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-uh I don't know uh
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-whether there is a plan I suppose if
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-there's a plan
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-we probably would have done it if there
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-had been a plan
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-some have been moved I don't see this as
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-a
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-fundamentally important issue it's a
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-matter of what's convenient for
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-the users and their advantages and
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-disadvantages to each choice
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-what is your opinion on higher education
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-uh requiring non-free software for
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-instance
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-well I wouldn't I wouldn't
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-matriculate in a school which did that
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-unless I saw a way I could refuse
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-now of course I do this
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-because I can get away with it and
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-therefore my doing it is extremely
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-important to show somebody does resist
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-I don't expect most people who support
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-free school
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-who advocate free software to go that
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-far
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-uh I published an article in the spring
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-entitled saying no even once
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-is helping saying no to non-free
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-software
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-even once because
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-the more you do it the more you help but
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-even doing it a little in a way that
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-other people notice
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-is starting to help so
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-uh please don't think that your choices
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-are either
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-be as firm and stubborn as I am
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-or just give up and let yourself drift
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-helplessly as if you had no volition
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-there are a lot of points in between
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-there and you can surely
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-manage to say no some of the time
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-and show people an example of saying no
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-some of the time for instance you could
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-say to people
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-you know I hate the fact that my school
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-makes me
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-use zoom uh so whenever
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-I'm not being forced I'm not going to
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-use it
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-or I hate the fact that the only way I
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-can talk to that group of people
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-is resume but when
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-but for anything else I will feel better
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-about myself if I don't
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-see lots of ways to say no some of the
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-time
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-and yield some of the time
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-and when you try saying no occasionally
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-you may just develop the ability to say
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-no more often
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-now whether you would ever get to be as
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-stubborn as I am
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-I don't know but what I find is that
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-I like the fact that I've never made
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-this kind of compromise
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-I feel I have a reputation to maintain
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-nobody's forcing me but I get
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-satisfaction
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-out of maintaining out of being able to
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-continue to say
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-I will not
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-you are now unmuted and that also
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-can happen at various different levels
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-so you can get that satisfaction
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-of fully maintaining a refusal
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-that applies only to certain areas
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-citizens uh noon already let's maybe
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-take one or two more questions and then
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-break for
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-the lunch break okay thank you
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-how often do you personally use Emacs as
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-the
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-lowest question now uh
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-well I use it most of the day
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-I occasionally do use other things in
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-fact I occasionally edit with
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-libreoffice
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-I occasionally use media players I
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-occasionally
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-uh
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-I occasionally ssh to a machine and type
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-some commands on it
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-which occasionally includes running
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-Emacs on it
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-I read pdf files a lot
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-would be nice if you could get those
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-into Emacs so that I could read them
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-with Emacs commands
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-and I maybe even edit them with the max
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-commands
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-when they can be edited I use
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-uh journal sometimes
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-to write on a pdf file
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-are there any more interesting projects
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-you have in mind over and above
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-non-gnu elpa uh
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-I can't think of one right now well
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-there are things there are things that
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-the gnu project needs
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-doing there are packages that don't have
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-maintainers or could use
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-more maintainers uh
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-talk with maintainers at canoe.org
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-and the assistant candusences will
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-help you find a package where you can do
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-good
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-not for beginners though you got to get
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-you got to learn
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-uh a substantive substantial level of
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-capacity to develop and debug programs
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-before you can
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-be a maintainer uh have I ever looked at
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-maggot
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-uh no I haven't
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-but I believe
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-work is being done to get it put into
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-Emacs
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-and at that point I'll give it a try
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-I do not want to share my configuration
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-files
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-they're personal but
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-how about if we end this now
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-you are now unmuted sounds good to me
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-thank you very much richard for joining
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-in for live questions
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-okay