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[Speaker 0]: Right. Okay, so hi everyone.

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We are now live. Hi Howard,

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how are you doing? Great.

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Lovely to hear. As usual,

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it's always a pleasure to see your

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presentation and the amount of time and

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energy you put into it.

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Slightly sorry about the shoppiness of the

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broadcast. Do not worry,

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the talk will be in its full 30 fps quality

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on the website after the conference.

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Actually, right now. It's available right

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now. As usual, feel free to ask your

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questions in the in the pad.

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We've linked it both on the talk page and on

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IRC. I think I am on the right 1,

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right? This is a solo.

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Guys, questions, where are they?

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Oh, we do have questions,

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it's just that they're not in the right part.

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Okay, so I'm going to start,

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I'm going to read the questions to Howard and

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Howard will be answering them.

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And if you are interested in asking questions

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directly to Howard, I see a lot of people

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have joined us on BBB,

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so we'll first go through the questions on

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the pad and then we'll move on to the people

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on BBB. So Howard, starting with the first

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question, does table data allow for

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recursion, e.g. The result that returns they

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are random monster haunting the cavern

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entrance and we roll on random monster and

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inject them, inject into the result?

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Sorry a little bit of a complicated question.

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Do you want me to read it again,

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perhaps? Yeah, I think so.

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I didn't quite catch that.

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Okay, so does the table data allow for

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recursion? So I think...

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[Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it does. I put a little,

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you know, there's some code that could,

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so you could, yeah, you get a random value

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that gets inserted and that random value

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could refer to another table and it can keep

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on going. I have not pushed that that hard

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because obviously it's,

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it might be a little on the heavyweight side.

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I can't imagine it to go too deep,

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though.

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[Speaker 0]: I'm pretty sure Emacs would be complaining if

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you go a little too deep.

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We have something as Mike's list recursion,

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and stuff like this. So don't worry.

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Go willy nilly with your recursions.

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We've got comments about the fact that it's a

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really cool project and I feel like everyone

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watching would be agreeing.

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You've got a question about where you can get

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this. Do you have a github repository with

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all of this?

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, and at the well at the end of the

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presentation I kind of display that and I

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think I put it at the top of the the pad

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[Speaker 2]: Yeah, there's a

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[Speaker 0]: Yes. I don't go Gone please.

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[Speaker 1]: Nothing there. There's a lot of stuff that

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needs to be reformatted.

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This is all Aflacode, so obviously it's a

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personal hack. So people should just steal

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the code as opposed to looking at a real

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project to use.

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[Speaker 0]: Right, lovely. So this game plus CRDT should

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be great for non-solid plays.

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Are you familiar with CRDT?

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[Speaker 1]: Well, so I used to use Flubits once upon a

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time and after seeing the previous talk on

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CRDT it's like, oh, I like that,

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and yes, I think that would be a fun idea.

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[Speaker 0]: I think I remember, so I did something much

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more humble than you did.

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I did a little bit, a little package in Org

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Mode for rolling dice and you had like a

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little formula like you could write 60 20 and

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it would throw 6 dice with 20 faces,

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60 sorry, 6 die, Frenchmen here in the room,

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20 faces and it would average them out or

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provide you any kind of stats needed.

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And this type of stuff works really well over

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CRDT because it's 1 edit inside of a file.

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If you start making edits in different parts

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of your file, it starts becoming a little

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more complicated because CRDT struggles when

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you're making many discrete changes inside of

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the same file. Does that make sense?

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[Speaker 1]: It does, it does. Interesting.

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Okay, yeah, no, I have not played with it

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yet.

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[Speaker 0]: Well, feel free to play with it and if you've

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got any kind of... If it works,

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it works and it's amazing,

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but if it doesn't, feel free to send us

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messages because Shantan,

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who's the maintainer of CRDT,

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we've been looking into options to make it a

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little more resilient and work elsewhere for

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securely. Excellent. All right,

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Great. I'm going back to the previous

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question. So does the current version also

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have some utilities for doing multiplayer,

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like either physically or digitally,

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like we've done with CRUT?

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The question is because you mentioned you

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previously did multiplayer session as well?

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I mean, I was using the table,

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the random table at a random entry kind of

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thing. I was using that at my table.

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So, I'm an eternal DM.

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So I would always use that.

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Like somebody says, what's the name of that

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shopkeep? And I could just hit a key,

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and it'd come up with the name,

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and I'd just read it off.

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But it was still me generating it.

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So it wasn't something that people would see

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necessarily, but I would keep notes in it and

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then publish those notes.

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But yes, I don't know.

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This sounds all kind of,

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this sounds all intriguing.

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I think this would be fun.

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I think I need to get a group of like-minded

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Emacs people who want to play online.

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[Speaker 0]: I'm sure you've got plenty of people not only

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watching but also here in BBB.

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So we only have about 14 minutes until we go

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to the next talk and it might be a little

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short for a campaign, but we might just...

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Moving on to the next question,

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how does 1 become super awesome like Howard

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Abrams? And I very much agree.

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[Speaker 1]: Sure, yes. That's kind,

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[Speaker 0]: That's not a secret, You're not giving your

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[Speaker 1]: too kind, too kind. There's no trade secrets.

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Just follow your passions.

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[Speaker 0]: trade secrets. I can only conquer.

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All right, moving on to the next question.

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Please talk a little about how you produced

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such a slick presentation video.

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Everything looked completely professional,

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and I'd agree. So tell us more.

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[Speaker 1]: OK, so as you've seen my previous

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presentations, It's all just Emacs screen.

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I just felt like, oh, what I really want to

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talk about is how much fun I'm having and the

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little introduction. So my son actually is a

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YouTuber. So I asked him,

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and it's like, oh, I'll take care of your

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dad. And so he's the 1 that kind of prompted

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me. So I had a director.

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Don't know if that translates,

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[Speaker 0]: I mean, that translates amazingly.

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[Speaker 1]: though, but. Very good.

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You know, very over the top.

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I've never done something like this before.

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[Speaker 0]: I mean, the results at the end is No,

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but it fits you so well.

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I think this over the top-ness combined with

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the editing, it just...

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[Speaker 1]: I might have to keep doing it because it was

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fun. It was fun to do.

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[Speaker 0]: You've set a standard that you'll need to

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meet for following Emax.

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[Speaker 1]: I'll have to keep paying them then.

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[Speaker 0]: Oh no! Alright, Yes! Alright,

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moving on to the next question.

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Does table data, no sorry that's the 1 we did

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on recursion and we're not going to struggle

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through the reading of it again.

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Alright so with your toolkits,

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a list of good books would be nice to be

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included, example D&D,

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space, steampunk, cyberpunk settings.

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Do you have such a plan?

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[Speaker 1]: 00I mean, I could definitely publish a

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bibliography of things I'm using and reading,

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But I don't know if I'd be writing anything.

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[Speaker 0]: Oh come on, don't tell yourself short.

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You've already proven you were amazing in

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very different, very varied topics.

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I'm sure you should give it 1 more try.

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[Speaker 1]: I don't know. I've got a sabbatical coming

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up. I'm toying with writing something,

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but I don't know if it'd ever leave the Emacs

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buffer.

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[Speaker 0]: All right, I like this.

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Next question. Hi Howard and thanks for an

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outstanding presentation.

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What did you use to create the graphics in

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your presentation? Didn't we cover this 1

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already? I can't remember.

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No, that was

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[Speaker 1]: a good 1. So the graphics actually were just

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kind of hacked together.

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But then I just gave them to my son.

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And it's like, can you put the graphic right

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here and he goes no problem there it is like

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[Speaker 0]: okay great so 1 more 1 more reason to keep

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paying your son

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[Speaker 1]: perfect yeah yeah exactly so if you can get

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get yourself a YouTuber who knows how to use

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all the tools. I think he was using DaVinci,

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but he's got quite a few going.

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[Speaker 0]: Right. Alright, moving on to the next

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question. Any plans to borrow tables from

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Dungeon World or Iron Sword Starforge and

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publish in a TK repository?

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Not sure what TK is.

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, yeah, okay. So yeah,

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so that would be fun and I'd love that.

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And I was just reading a way to render PDFs

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that you might own into Markdown format.

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And if it's in Markdown,

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it'd be easy to pull into Org Mode.

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So all of the Iron Sworn,

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that role-playing game,

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Since it's all under the Creative License,

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I think even the Star Forge is.

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So I think I could grab the Star Forge 1.

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I don't know about Dungeon World and their

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tables. But yeah, a lot of people are

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starting to publish those kind of tables.

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So yeah, that'd be fun.

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I'd like to render all those in text files

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that I could pull up like that.

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[Speaker 0]: Lovely. I think that's all for the questions

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we had in the pad. We still have 9 minutes.

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I see plenty of people have joined us,

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including 1 person with a microphone on BBB.

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PlasmaStrike, do you have a question?

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And would you like to unmute yourself and ask

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it? I'm also going to check the chat.

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[Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah. StarsWithoutNumber is another great

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1 that's got some great tables in it.

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Sorry, I'm just looking at the questions that

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are popping up here, too.

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[Speaker 0]: Sure. So I don't see anyone unmuting

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themselves. I see people typing away

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questions. By the way,

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if you're going to type questions,

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perhaps do not put them on BBB,

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put them in the pad. It's a little easier for

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us to archive them afterwards.

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I'm going to give a little bit of time.

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I feel bad about going on break when I have

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you available and ready to answer more

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questions. Oh, you're too kind.

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[Speaker 2]: How have you, as this changed,

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how's your visualization of the books,

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or of your games at all?

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[Speaker 1]: Sorry, can you ask that 1 more time?

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I didn't catch the first part.

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[Speaker 2]: How has this impacted,

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like, your imagination on the scenes and

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stuff like that because it's partly open and

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closed because you had that chart where you

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had that where you put it in the center of

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constrained by algorithms to enhance your

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creativity, you write it but it's not all

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freeform to where you have writer's block as

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much.

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[Speaker 1]: You hit the, You hit it on the head.

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That's exactly it. That's why I've been doing

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this. Creativity is a hard thing to foster.

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And having little prompts that you have to

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kind of work together,

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like twisty language, what does that mean?

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Oh, you have to kind of work with that.

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So yeah, that's 1 of the reasons why I got

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into doing the solo version of it,

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just because you kind of,

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it does really foster the creativity.

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Did that answer the question?

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[Speaker 2]: Yeah well has it kind of has it improved over

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time though of using it like

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[Speaker 1]: oh yeah oh yeah I would definitely say so

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While I'm still not ready to publish my files

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at all, but the first ones were much worse.

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[Speaker 2]: That was an example like after you play for

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like 2 months or something like that,

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like, could you close your eyes and see the

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rooms a lot better versus...

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think so. I think so.

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And, you know, there's 1 solo game called A

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Thousand-Year-Old Vampire.

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I don't know if you've seen that 1 or not,

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but it's quite creative.

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It's very interesting.

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It's got a great setup to use.

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And When I was looking through it,

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it's like, I'm thinking of a typical vampire

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and this sort of thing.

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But then there's this YouTuber named Seth

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Skalkarski, if I can pronounce his name

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right. He was describing it.

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And he came up with a completely different

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vampire scene. And it's like,

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oh, I could see how people can kind of start

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working on these things and really see things

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differently. And the creativity and all that

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sort of stuff just really blossoms.

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[Speaker 2]: And then I guess as an extension of that,

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how has the stories changed after using this

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toolkit or the solo games for 2 months?

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Like the scenes, like how you,

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like the stories that you'd start generating?

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

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I mean, a lot depends on just how much you're

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willing to put into it.

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But yeah, I've definitely had a lot of fun.

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And it's just been a lot more enjoyable and

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just more interesting.

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[Speaker 2]: Well I mean like has the types and quality of

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the stories changed a lot?

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Or more than that?

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[Speaker 1]: I think so, you know, but obviously the proof

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is if somebody else is doing the evaluation

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and I'm not letting that out But I think so,

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but I think so so but I think your mileage

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may vary. So yeah, try it out

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[Speaker 2]: Have you seen the game Dwarf Fortress?

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Because it's supposed to be a video game

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that's in a similar spirit to that,

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where it helps you generate stories.

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Dwarf Fortress, RimWorld,

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Kenshi is another 1.

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, no, I've looked at the Dwarf Fortress,

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but I haven't played it.

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But that 1 seems a little bit more

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structured, but still could be a lot of fun

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too. And then others, it's like,

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how far do you want to take it?

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Like I just picked up this 1 called Broken

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Cask. There it is, where you generate a

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little bar tavern, and then you start rolling

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events. Now, it gives a lot more stuff coming

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out of it. It's like, oh,

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this person's showing up and this is what's

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happening, but you can elaborate on it as

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much as you want. And that's what I'm

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thinking I might do. Hi,

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Mike, you got a question?

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[Speaker 3]: Hi, Howard. Yeah, I do have a question.

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I'm a big fan of your work on literate DevOps

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and your essay and video on that topic.

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I'm just wondering if you still use that

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workflow at work and have you changed how

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that process works or has it evolved over

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time since that video and essay were written?

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[Speaker 1]: That's a good question.

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Yes, I still do it. It varies depending on

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the project and whatnot.

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But I still am using it.

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Yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm doing it with a lot

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of other things. Like all my configuration

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files are all in a literate style for Emacs.

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And even all the code that's in Ironsworn,

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the repo, if you go to the repo,

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it's the readme file. And yeah,

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that's just being rendered out to the Emacs

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file. So it is still all literate.

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[Speaker 3]: Very cool.

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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because I don't know.

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Some things are just a little too complicated

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to just type up.

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[Speaker 0]: All right, sorry to be the bearer of bad

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news, but we have only about 3 more minutes

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of lifetime. By the way,

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feel free to stay and discuss any of the

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topic of today's session after we go off air

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and we'll be able to keep all of the nice

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discussion and put them on the talks page

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afterwards. Great. Howard,

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I would like to ask you if you have any last

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words regarding the presentation or the

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questions you've had. Well,

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the last question we had,

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actually, we had Mike come and ask it live.

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But do you have any parting words before we

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leave you? Okay.

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[Speaker 1]: I think the last thing is go and hack

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something. I mean, this Lisp stuff is a lot

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of fun. And I hope that came across.

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It's like, the project I made is just a

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personal thing and it was fun for me to make,

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but everybody's probably got some fun thing

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they could make as well.

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And just, I don't know,

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hack it yourself because all the,

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you know, think about adding multi-threading

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to Emacs. Maybe we don't want that,

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because that'll just complicate things.

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This is your own personal hacking sandbox,

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so go have fun.

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[Speaker 0]: Great. I was just going to say we were

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talking about Dwarf Fortress.

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In Dwarf Fortress, it's a very CPU intensive

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game because it needs to compute every single

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thing in the world and there's such a thing

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as the CPU death of the world where basically

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you've got too many cats that are just

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breeding constantly with 1 another and it

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creates so many entities that it just

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crashes, and the time it takes for the day to

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finish it, it just never finish.

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So I was going to say maybe multi-threading

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might be useful in this case for Emacs.

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So, wanting to foray into the future.

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[Speaker 1]: All right. Thank you.

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[Speaker 0]: And thank you so much,

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Howard, and thank you Plasma Strike for your

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question, as well as Mike,

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who joined us. We're going to go live with

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the next talk in about 1 minute,

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and until then, well, I'm not going to put

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music, You can wait 50 seconds without music,

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you Zoomers. We'll be back in a bit.

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[Speaker 2]: Bye-bye.

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[Speaker 0]: Bye, Howard. All right,

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we are off. Thank you so much,

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Howard. I need to dash.

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And oh, I think he's already gone.

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So Bye everyone, I'll see you later.