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Dashed lines show talks with Q&A via IRC or Etherpad.<div class="schedule-in-context schedule-svg-container" data-slug="authoring"> +<svg width="700" height="150" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"><title>Schedule for Saturday</title><rect width="700" height="150" x="0" y="0" fill="white"></rect><text font-size="10" fill="black" y="12" x="3">Saturday</text><a href="/2025/talks/sat-open" title="Saturday opening remarks" data-slug="sat-open"><title> 9:00- 9:10 Saturday opening remarks</title><rect x="0" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(11,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">sat-open</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/org-babel" title="Making Org-Babel reactive" data-slug="org-babel"><title> 9:10- 9:20 Making Org-Babel reactive</title><rect x="13" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(24,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">org-babel</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/reference" title="Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager" data-slug="reference"><title> 9:30- 9:50 Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</title><rect x="41" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(66,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">reference</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/gmail" title="org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode" data-slug="gmail"><title>10:10-10:30 org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode</title><rect x="96" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(121,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">gmail</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/languages" title="Studying foreign languages with Emacs, Org Mode and gptel" data-slug="languages"><title>10:40-10:50 Studying foreign languages with Emacs, Org Mode and gptel</title><rect x="137" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(148,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">languages</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/latex" title="LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul" data-slug="latex"><title>11:10-11:30 LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul</title><rect x="178" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(203,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">latex</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/bibliography" title="An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning" data-slug="bibliography"><title> 1:00- 1:20 An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning</title><rect x="329" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(354,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">bibliography</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/calc" title="Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics" data-slug="calc"><title> 1:40- 1:50 Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics</title><rect x="384" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(395,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">calc</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/authoring" title="How Emacs became my authoring playground—no Lisp required" data-slug="authoring"><title> 2:00- 2:10 How Emacs became my authoring playground—no Lisp required</title><rect stroke-width="3" x="411" y="15" opacity="0.8" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(422,73)"><text font-weight="bold" fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">authoring</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/blee-lcnt" title="Blee-LCNT: An Emacs-centered content production and self-publication framework" data-slug="blee-lcnt"><title> 2:30- 2:50 Blee-LCNT: An Emacs-centered content production and self-publication framework</title><rect x="452" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(477,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">blee-lcnt</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/greader" title="GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence" data-slug="greader"><title> 3:10- 3:20 GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence</title><rect x="507" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(518,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">greader</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/sat-close" title="Saturday closing remarks" data-slug="sat-close"><title> 3:30- 3:40 Saturday closing remarks</title><rect x="535" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(546,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">sat-close</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/schemacs" title="One year progress update Schemacs (formerly Gypsum)" data-slug="schemacs"><title> 9:30- 9:45 One year progress update Schemacs (formerly Gypsum)</title><rect x="41" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="20" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(59,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">schemacs</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/juicemacs" title="Juicemacs: exploring speculative JIT compilation for ELisp in Java" data-slug="juicemacs"><title>10:05-10:25 Juicemacs: exploring speculative JIT compilation for ELisp in Java</title><rect x="89" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(114,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">juicemacs</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/swanky" title="Swanky Python: Interactive development for Python" data-slug="swanky"><title>10:35-10:55 Swanky Python: Interactive development for Python</title><rect x="130" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(155,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">swanky</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/python" title="Interactive Python programming in Emacs" data-slug="python"><title>11:05-11:25 Interactive Python programming in Emacs</title><rect x="171" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(196,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">python</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/llm" title="Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows" data-slug="llm"><title> 1:00- 1:20 Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows</title><rect x="329" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(354,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">llm</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/private-ai" title="Emacs and private AI: a great match" data-slug="private-ai"><title> 1:40- 2:00 Emacs and private AI: a great match</title><rect x="384" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(409,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">private-ai</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/commonlisp" title="Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev" data-slug="commonlisp"><title> 2:20- 2:40 Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev</title><rect x="439" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(464,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">commonlisp</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/graphics" title="Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics" data-slug="graphics"><title> 2:50- 3:10 Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics</title><rect x="480" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(505,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">graphics</text></g></a><g transform="translate(0,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">9 AM</text></g><g transform="translate(82,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">10 AM</text></g><g transform="translate(164,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">11 AM</text></g><g transform="translate(247,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">12 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(329,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">1 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(411,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">2 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(494,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">3 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(576,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">4 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(658,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">5 PM</text></g></svg> +</div> + +[[!toc ]] +Format: 10-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room <https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/current/bbb-authoring.html> +Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) +Status: Waiting for video from speaker +<div>Times in different time zones:</div><div class="times" start="2025-12-06T19:00:00Z" end="2025-12-06T19:10:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~2:00 PM - 2:10 PM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~1:00 PM - 1:10 PM CST (US/Central)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~12:00 PM - 12:10 PM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~11:00 AM - 11:10 AM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~7:00 PM - 7:10 PM UTC <br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~8:00 PM - 8:10 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~9:00 PM - 9:10 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~12:30 AM - 12:40 AM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~3:00 AM - 3:10 AM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~4:00 AM - 4:10 AM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><strong><a href="/2025/watch/gen/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></strong></div> + + + + + +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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Please e-mail [blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu](mailto:blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20bibliography%3A%20An%20enhanced%20bibliography%20in%20org-mode%20for%20scientific%20research%20and%20self-directed%20learning) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/bibliography-before.md b/2025/info/bibliography-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7bb2a78d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bibliography-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> + +The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sat 2025-12-06. Solid lines show talks with Q&A via BigBlueButton. Dashed lines show talks with Q&A via IRC or Etherpad.<div class="schedule-in-context schedule-svg-container" data-slug="bibliography"> +<svg width="700" height="150" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"><title>Schedule for Saturday</title><rect width="700" height="150" x="0" y="0" fill="white"></rect><text font-size="10" fill="black" y="12" x="3">Saturday</text><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/sat-open" title="Saturday opening remarks" data-slug="sat-open"><title> 9:00- 9:10 Saturday opening remarks</title><rect x="0" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(11,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">sat-open</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/org-babel" title="Making Org-Babel reactive" data-slug="org-babel"><title> 9:10- 9:20 Making Org-Babel reactive</title><rect x="13" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(24,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">org-babel</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/reference" title="Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager" data-slug="reference"><title> 9:30- 9:55 Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</title><rect x="41" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(73,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">reference</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/gmail" title="org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode" data-slug="gmail"><title>10:15-10:40 org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode</title><rect x="102" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(134,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">gmail</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/gnus" title="Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus" data-slug="gnus"><title>10:50-11:15 Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus</title><rect x="150" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(182,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">gnus</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/latex" title="LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul" data-slug="latex"><title>11:25-11:45 LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul</title><rect x="199" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(224,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">latex</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/bibliography" title="An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning" data-slug="bibliography"><title> 1:00- 1:20 An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning</title><rect stroke-width="3" x="329" y="15" opacity="0.8" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(354,73)"><text font-weight="bold" fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">bibliography</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/calc" title="Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics" data-slug="calc"><title> 1:40- 2:05 Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics</title><rect x="384" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(416,73)"><text 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Salaam.""" start="00:00:05.760" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is Mohsen Banan.""" start="00:00:08.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am a software and internet engineer.""" start="00:00:10.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The title of this presentation""" start="00:00:12.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is "Blee-LCNT: An Emacs Centered""" start="00:00:14.680" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Content Production and Self-Publication Framework".""" start="00:00:18.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blee stands for""" start="00:00:23.660" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ByStar Libre-Halaal Emacs Environment.""" start="00:00:25.560" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In last year's EmacsConf,""" start="00:00:29.280" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I introduced Blee, BISOS and ByStar""" start="00:00:31.800" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as concepts and as foundations.""" start="00:00:36.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year I want to focus""" start="00:00:39.440" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on one concrete capability.""" start="00:00:41.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Content Production and Self-Publication""" start="00:00:43.880" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a foundational Blee and BISOS Capability Bundle.""" start="00:00:47.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Both this presentation""" start="00:00:54.120" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Nature of Polyexistentials book""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were developed with Blee-LCNT.""" start="00:00:59.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this presentation I want to look at Emacs""" start="00:01:02.880" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a central ingredient""" start="00:01:06.760" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a usage environment""" start="00:01:08.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we can use to orchestrate production of""" start="00:01:10.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite fancy multi-media presentations.""" start="00:01:14.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Scope: A complete multi-media content processing framework""" start="00:01:20.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's consider two different scopes.""" start="00:01:20.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, the scope of Blee-LCNT Capabilities Bundle,""" start="00:01:23.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is that of a complete""" start="00:01:27.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multi-media content authorship,""" start="00:01:29.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generation, publication""" start="00:01:32.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and distribution framework.""" start="00:01:34.800" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That complete scope is presented in this slide""" start="00:01:37.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it spans both black ink""" start="00:01:41.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and violet ink.""" start="00:01:44.240" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Second, the scope of this presentation,""" start="00:01:46.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is more limited.""" start="00:01:49.800" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this presentation I confine myself""" start="00:01:52.120" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the bullets is violet ink.""" start="00:01:54.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I focus on presentation""" start="00:01:58.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and video as content types""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and their authorship and generation""" start="00:02:03.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and their federated re-publication.""" start="00:02:06.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Prior art and similar art""" start="00:02:10.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This is a common topic.""" start="00:02:10.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes good sense for us to start with""" start="00:02:12.560" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a review of prior art and similar art.""" start="00:02:14.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I went through the past EmacsConf talks""" start="00:02:19.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and found a good number of them""" start="00:02:21.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that also deal with the topic""" start="00:02:23.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of content generation.""" start="00:02:26.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A few of these are included""" start="00:02:28.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in black ink in this slide.""" start="00:02:30.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many of these have chosen the Babel,""" start="00:02:33.360" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in other words Org-Mode+LaTeX as primary input.""" start="00:02:35.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I prefer the inverse of that.""" start="00:02:40.720" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also looked for past talks""" start="00:02:43.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which have used Reveal.js and LaTeX-Beamer.""" start="00:02:45.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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these shortly.""" start="00:05:10.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Part of a bigger picture - part of a series""" start="00:05:12.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All of this is part of a bigger picture.""" start="00:05:12.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A much bigger picture.""" start="00:05:15.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My talks at EmacsConf 2021, 2022""" start="00:05:17.620" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 2024 are related.""" start="00:05:23.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This 2025 talk builds on those.""" start="00:05:26.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Last year's talk "About Blee:""" start="00:05:31.400" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on just the Libre-Halaal Debian distro.""" start="00:34:08.620" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is what we have done with ByStar.""" start="00:34:13.500" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In ByStar, everything is based on""" start="00:34:17.300" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just the Universal Debian everywhere.""" start="00:34:20.040" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This has made our Usage Environment""" start="00:34:24.120" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""totally harmonious with our Service Environment""" start="00:34:27.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allowing for very powerful software-service continuums.""" start="00:34:31.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, all of this is immediately applicable""" start="00:34:38.060" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to our ByStar Content Bundle as well.""" start="00:34:41.480" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some have asked, why don't you also include Ubuntu?""" start="00:34:46.020" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the opposite makes more sense.""" start="00:34:50.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ubuntu should converge with Debian.""" start="00:34:53.680" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tried to explain this to Mark Shuttleworth""" start="00:34:56.700" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an email a while back.""" start="00:34:59.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have included that email""" start="00:35:02.480" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:36:14.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please feel welcome to contact me.""" start="00:36:16.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These Emacs Conferences have proven""" start="00:36:19.380" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be very useful and productive.""" start="00:36:22.240" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I look forward to your thoughts,""" start="00:36:25.380" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback and questions.""" start="00:36:27.200" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to thank all the EmacsConf 2025 Organizers""" start="00:36:29.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for their great work,""" start="00:36:35.360" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Sacha in particular.""" start="00:36:37.200" 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Salaam again. I'm delighted to be here""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and happy to answer your questions.""" start="00:00:05.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not seeing anything yet,""" start="00:00:11.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let me take advantage of this time""" start="00:00:12.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to speak about one question""" start="00:00:17.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can bring up the pad so that you can look at it.""" start="00:00:17.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I saw coming in earlier on the pad,""" start="00:00:20.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was all the outputs""" start="00:00:22.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the inputs that you mentioned, where are they?""" start="00:00:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they are on GitHub, and this is in one of my slides.""" start="00:00:29.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mentioned the URL for it. I'll show you that as well.""" start="00:00:35.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the URL for it is github.com bxplpc18068,""" start="00:00:43.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Hang on a second. I will.""" start="00:00:43.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the handle for this talk.""" start="00:00:50.392" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In there, you have all the PDFs and the HTMLs,""" start="00:00:58.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then people can join here as well.""" start="00:01:00.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a citation, a bib input, and also the sources.""" start="00:01:06.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you were to go to the PDF, you will see""" start="00:01:12.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, both the article presentation and the,""" start="00:01:19.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's take a quick look at the.""" start="00:01:24.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is what you have seen. So.""" start="00:01:27.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as far as the sources are, there are two primary files.""" start="00:01:34.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we're now in a live Q&A session for Blee-LCNT,""" start="00:01:37.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This presentation, left to right,""" start="00:01:40.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and people can join us here in the Big Blue Button room,""" start="00:01:46.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the one that includes all the LaTeX packages.""" start="00:01:47.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We might as well take a quick look.""" start="00:01:50.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what's in there is primarily the use packages.""" start="00:01:52.642" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it dispatches to body press art.""" start="00:01:57.601" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is where the code is.""" start="00:02:07.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I walked through this briefly.""" start="00:02:11.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, notice here again that this is a mixture of LaTeX and Org.""" start="00:02:14.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each of the presentation slides are here.""" start="00:02:26.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, my introduction""" start="00:02:31.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just a video that gets included.""" start="00:02:34.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the notes that I use, the voiceover,""" start="00:02:37.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also included in the LaTeX file.""" start="00:02:41.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me... It'll probably be easy""" start="00:02:47.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to take those voiceover notes""" start="00:02:50.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then align them with a tool like NES.""" start="00:02:52.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make subtitles for your videos.""" start="00:02:54.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exactly, and that is what I do.""" start="00:02:58.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there is a way to gather them all as P-notes.""" start="00:03:01.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so all the P-notes get together in a single file,""" start="00:03:08.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you feed that to Aeneas, and it will align them.""" start="00:03:13.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there is the work of using your subed""" start="00:03:20.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just get the right sort of line length on them.""" start="00:03:23.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you did all of that for me this year, Sacha.""" start="00:03:30.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:03:33.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was just a matter of not having time.""" start="00:03:34.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, I plan to do it myself. It's all right.""" start="00:03:37.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was very easy since he provided the full narration.""" start="00:03:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still need to tweak it sometimes,""" start="00:03:46.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I often use the waveforms in subed""" start="00:03:50.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to find the right starting time and ending time for things.""" start="00:03:52.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it is so nice to have a presentation""" start="00:03:58.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can experience it in different forms,""" start="00:04:01.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an article, as a video, as a post with links and everything.""" start="00:04:03.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very handy.""" start="00:04:10.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, and in case a teacher uses this for class lectures,""" start="00:04:11.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the student profits from all sorts.""" start="00:04:20.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The article presentation format is very useful""" start="00:04:26.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a student to add their own notes to it and the rest.""" start="00:04:29.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exactly as you said, having multiple forms is great.""" start="00:04:33.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Video has its place, reveal has its place,""" start="00:04:37.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PDF has its place, article has its place.""" start="00:04:40.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of them work together.""" start="00:04:44.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been having a hard time figuring out""" start="00:04:48.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to make the reveal.js version of a presentation""" start="00:04:50.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more easily distributable, though.""" start="00:04:54.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something we've had a hard time""" start="00:04:57.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with in the past, too.""" start="00:04:58.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have these lovely EmacsConf presentations""" start="00:05:00.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that could be reveal presentations,""" start="00:05:02.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but hosting them doesn't quite fit""" start="00:05:04.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the usual assumptions people have. Exactly, exactly.""" start="00:05:07.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we were to have a reveal server,""" start="00:05:13.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we could upload our reveal inputs to it.""" start="00:05:16.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you're right, we should look""" start="00:05:20.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some sort of a packaging""" start="00:05:25.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is more plug and distribute. 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Exactly. Sure. Sure. Yeah.""" start="00:06:30.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This right now, what we are looking at is from GitHub.""" start="00:06:36.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the audio and the images, of course, are large,""" start="00:06:44.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I did not upload them. But I can send them, sure.""" start="00:06:48.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, a few other things maybe I can elaborate on.""" start="00:06:55.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the kombut strapping page for BISOS, also on there.""" start="00:07:02.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if somebody wanted to actually""" start="00:07:08.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dig deeper and go through this,""" start="00:07:11.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a good starting point would be my GitHub page.""" start="00:07:12.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But my GitHub page is not done and organized the usual way.""" start="00:07:18.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I only have three repositories""" start="00:07:24.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the repositories basically say,""" start="00:07:27.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is where you need to go.""" start="00:07:30.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all of my work is organized as organizations.""" start="00:07:32.267" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, for Emacs, if you were to go to BXBli,""" start="00:07:39.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see all the relevant repos for that purpose.""" start="00:07:48.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, if you wanted to""" start="00:07:56.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come and take a look at mail template,""" start="00:07:58.976" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""templating, distribution, and tracking,""" start="00:08:03.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would get a Emacs package ready to go over here.""" start="00:08:08.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But again, all of this is through the use of GitHub organizations.""" start="00:08:16.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my repos are by subject""" start="00:08:23.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the by source itself has 69 repositories""" start="00:08:26.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where different sections of it are packaged as PIP packages.""" start="00:08:33.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, for LCNT, we can go there.""" start="00:08:38.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, these are the packages that let you,""" start="00:08:42.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me go there, that let you dissect.""" start="00:08:46.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, you have your slides shared at the moment,""" start="00:08:53.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I don't know if you're in a different tab.""" start="00:08:55.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, am I in a different tab?""" start="00:08:59.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought that that would follow me.""" start="00:09:03.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I am in a different tab. 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Right.""" start="00:09:28.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you were not actually seeing what I was saying.""" start="00:09:31.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, so what I was saying that is that""" start="00:09:33.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you go to my primary website, GitHub page,""" start="00:09:36.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see that there are only three repos there.""" start="00:09:42.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those repos just give information""" start="00:09:45.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about where the real repos are.""" start="00:09:49.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the real repos are organized in various organizations.""" start="00:09:52.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, for Emacs packages, I use the bxblee""" start="00:09:57.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in there, there are 40 repositories.""" start="00:10:06.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as an example, you can choose, for example,""" start="00:10:12.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AI plus is just a few additional libraries for menus, for AIDERMAX.""" start="00:10:15.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the rest of BLEE is done that way as well.""" start="00:10:26.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you were to let me also show""" start="00:10:31.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more relevant stuff to the content generation.""" start="00:10:36.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And everything related to BySauce in Python is in BySauce pip.""" start="00:10:43.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are packages that are ready""" start="00:10:48.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be exported to pypi and""" start="00:10:52.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, for LCNT, if you go here,""" start="00:10:57.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's go to the bin directory.""" start="00:11:02.750" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the utilities that dissect the PDF output of Beamer""" start="00:11:04.559" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""converted to images so that you can insert them in Reveal.""" start="00:11:15.809" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then again, if you were to just wanted to dig deeper""" start="00:11:23.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in any of these as components,""" start="00:11:29.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would simply start from this top level page""" start="00:11:34.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and explore the organizations.""" start="00:11:40.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in total, maybe there is 300 repos,""" start="00:11:44.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they are organized by subject matter""" start="00:11:48.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within GitHub organizations.""" start="00:11:54.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. 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start="00:13:57.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can very quickly show that.""" start="00:14:03.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be in the LaTeX file, as an example.""" start="00:14:13.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't really do a good job in digging deeper into that.""" start="00:14:18.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you go to the sources""" start="00:14:23.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you look at any of the slides,""" start="00:14:25.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All the slides are in here inside of a dynamic block.""" start="00:14:31.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is an org D block,""" start="00:14:39.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you would invoke it in LaTeX mode.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is the practical thing to do.""" start="00:19:49.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are doing a jujitsu on IPR.""" start="00:19:52.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are saying that this is our license to it.""" start="00:19:55.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But conceptually, there has been little discussion""" start="00:20:00.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also positioning on this basic question""" start="00:20:07.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as to whether or not copyright""" start="00:20:14.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and patents are valid or invalid.""" start="00:20:17.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I am saying is that it is clear that they are invalid,""" start="00:20:21.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly once you start looking at them""" start="00:20:26.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the lens of polyexistentials.""" start="00:20:30.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that the false movement""" start="00:20:33.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really needs to combine these two,""" start="00:20:39.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this notion of free software and open source licenses,""" start="00:20:42.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and combined with the belief system""" start="00:20:47.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we are completely and utterly against""" start="00:20:51.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the validity of the Western intellectual property rights regime.""" start="00:20:55.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I use the Western and the American occasionally,""" start="00:21:00.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the reason behind that is that in fact it is, they are Western.""" start="00:21:05.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go to any other language, if you go to Farsi,""" start="00:21:12.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you go to Arabic, if you go to Chinese,""" start="00:21:16.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you go to Japanese, which are non-Western cultures,""" start="00:21:19.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the concept of intellectual property,""" start="00:21:24.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the words, the vocabulary of those""" start="00:21:28.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""combination of intellectual and property,""" start="00:21:33.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did not exist anywhere in those cultures.""" start="00:21:36.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only in the past, maybe 60, 70 years""" start="00:21:40.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they have been translated from the Western world and brought into it.""" start="00:21:44.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there is an inherent root""" start="00:21:52.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the intellectual property rights system,""" start="00:21:54.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which goes to the Western culture.""" start="00:21:58.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second point that I have brought into""" start="00:22:02.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this presentation and the previous ones""" start="00:22:08.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is this question of, if we go with free software,""" start="00:22:11.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we go with open software,""" start="00:22:16.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are we really creating the right labels?""" start="00:22:18.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my point is that no, neither of them,""" start="00:22:22.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""neither free software, nor open source""" start="00:22:25.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are capturing really the essence""" start="00:22:29.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what we are trying to do.""" start="00:22:33.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I claim that that is in fact ethics and morality.""" start="00:22:36.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is societal belief that if we reject""" start="00:22:41.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intellectual property rights regime,""" start="00:22:48.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do we replace it with?""" start="00:22:51.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in my thinking is that a software developer""" start="00:22:53.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does not get to choose""" start="00:22:58.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what license goes with his or her software,""" start="00:23:00.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that the equivalent of a federal GPL""" start="00:23:04.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the default correct license""" start="00:23:09.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use for all of your software""" start="00:23:13.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it is the one that reflects the belief system""" start="00:23:16.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that all software should be ethical software.""" start="00:23:21.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'm looking at the Etherpad again and""" start="00:23:24.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question is about IP and AI.""" start="00:23:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, over the past two years,""" start="00:23:48.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something huge has happened.""" start="00:23:54.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I am seeing in there as a solution""" start="00:23:56.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is essentially comes down to a talk""" start="00:24:04.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was given maybe two years ago by someone at EmacsConf,""" start="00:24:12.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its label was attribution-based economics.""" start="00:24:16.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In my thinking, intellectual property""" start="00:24:22.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a whole is invalid.""" start="00:24:28.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that means that through something like a federal GPL,""" start="00:24:29.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you focus on attribution basing, proper attribution basing.""" start="00:24:36.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If somebody has done some work,""" start="00:24:41.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should be clear, no matter what, that that work is his.""" start="00:24:43.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that we already, even prior to AI, we were seeing this.""" start="00:24:48.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We were seeing large GitHub repos with hundreds of authors.""" start="00:24:54.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it was utterly unclear as to who would own this whole thing.""" start="00:24:59.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And any piece of it is not of significance.""" start="00:25:09.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is of significance is the whole thing.""" start="00:25:14.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So moving towards that attribution based economics is key.""" start="00:25:16.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then once we do that,""" start="00:25:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we accept AI as a reality.""" start="00:25:27.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AI should still take very seriously""" start="00:25:31.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and conform to attribution-based economics.""" start="00:25:38.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In other words, what is generated by the machine""" start="00:25:44.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should not be claimed to be no one's""" start="00:25:47.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the machine owners, the AI owners.""" start="00:25:51.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should still clearly be attributed""" start="00:25:54.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the people who contributed in its creation.""" start="00:25:56.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This all becomes very muddy, very clear,""" start="00:26:03.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't have a simple or clear answer to it.""" start="00:26:06.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the perimeters of the solution lie in""" start="00:26:11.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rejection of intellectual property,""" start="00:26:16.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacement of the intellectual property""" start="00:26:21.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with attribution-based economics,""" start="00:26:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and restrictions on AI use""" start="00:26:27.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of not properly attributed content.""" start="00:26:31.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'd say that would be, it's a complicated topic""" start="00:26:38.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would simply say I haven't figured it out at all.""" start="00:26:50.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just have a perimeter set of concepts""" start="00:26:56.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be used to drive it.""" start="00:27:03.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there any other questions? If there aren't any,""" start="00:27:06.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thank everybody again,""" start="00:27:20.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and particularly the EmacsConf organizers and Sacha.""" start="00:27:23.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I look forward to continuing all of this next year.""" start="00:27:27.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unless there is any objection,""" start="00:27:32.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll leave the session and close it. Thank you.""" start="00:27:39.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee-lcnt%3A%20Blee-LCNT%3A%20An%20Emacs-centered%20content%20production%20and%20self-publication%20framework) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/blee-lcnt-before.md b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fe7faabf --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 37-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-blee-lcnt"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" data=""" +00:05.760 Introduction +01:20.080 Scope: A complete multi-media content processing framework +02:10.320 Prior art and similar art +03:02.420 LaTeX-Beamer + Reveal.js with Blee and BISOS +03:57.160 Blee-LCNT novel concepts +05:12.520 Part of a bigger picture - part of a series +06:32.560 Nature of polyexistentials +12:52.640 Content processing - a ByStar/BISOS/Blee Capability Bundle (BCB) +14:23.120 ByStar containment hierarchy and ByStar capability bundles +14:31.280 Aggregated conviviality of ByStar capabilities +15:22.000 Parts list: integrated components +15:47.868 Resulting contents - output forms and formats +18:45.720 reveal.js +20:31.980 Generating the video +21:33.480 A unified single input -- a sequencef of frames +22:39.180 Abstractions to keep in mind +23:16.200 Frame control types +24:24.360 How outputs are generate from the inputs +26:25.200 Context for unified source walkthrough +27:46.480 One slide +29:24.080 Dynamic blocks +31:05.800 Internationalization - a non-Americanist perspective +33:42.280 Autonomous self-publication and federated re-publications +35:07.720 Ingredients of BISOS platforms and their progression +36:02.560 Moving forward + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 36:41 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.opus">Download --main.opus (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.webm">Download --main.webm (97MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--script.txt">Download --script.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--split.vtt">Download --split.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/49e0ES-nk0k">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-blee-lcnt"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/blee-lcnt-nav.md b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..70dd2eb8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/calc">Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/greader">GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0f66ac66 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1526 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="bookclub-tapas-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.620" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Alright! Hi everyone! Happy EmacsConf!""" start="00:00:00.620" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I´m so excited to be here.""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's surreal to be part""" start="00:00:07.080" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the conference itself,""" start="00:00:07.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in addition to being a viewer.""" start="00:00:09.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf is like Christmas to me,""" start="00:00:11.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm so excited when it comes around every year.""" start="00:00:13.880" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, my talk is on a programming methodology""" start="00:00:18.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've created, discovered, stumbled upon.""" start="00:00:21.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I call it "Bookclub Tapas."""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before we get into that,""" start="00:00:26.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me introduce myself.""" start="00:00:27.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hi, I'm Maddie!""" start="00:00:29.680" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""My name is Maddie Sullivan,""" start="00:00:29.680" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my pronouns are she/her.""" start="00:00:32.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I go by the handle ElephantErgonomics,""" start="00:00:34.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is shortened down to ElephantErgo in the IRC.""" start="00:00:36.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can reach out to me after the talk""" start="00:00:41.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for questions, comments,""" start="00:00:43.080" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just to say hello by reaching out""" start="00:00:44.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hello@ElephantErgonomics.com.""" start="00:00:47.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this software development strategy I found,""" start="00:00:56.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's inspired by literate programming and Agile.""" start="00:01:00.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div 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video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is totally fine to do by hand,""" start="00:23:20.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I want a program""" start="00:23:23.140" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that recursively searches through my directories""" start="00:23:24.920" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to validate that the tags are correct""" start="00:23:27.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's easy to drop something.""" start="00:23:29.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This scale of problem is actually kind of perfect""" start="00:23:33.460" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for demonstrating how Bookclub Tapas work in action.""" start="00:23:36.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] 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and Apache real quick, just something.""" start="00:38:09.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the website will be going up. It's just not up yet.""" start="00:38:12.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the very last thing is that""" start="00:38:16.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would really like to thank everyone""" start="00:38:19.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helped me to get here. I would like to thank you know,""" start="00:38:22.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of my, you know, I would like to thank my fiance.""" start="00:38:27.200" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank all of my friends.""" start="00:38:32.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank my, you know,""" start="00:38:34.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my mentor and business partner, Sharon.""" start="00:38:39.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank Tracy, my therapist.""" start="00:38:42.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank my parents.""" start="00:38:45.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I invited people to come watch this thing,""" start="00:38:48.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would like to thank all of them.""" start="00:38:53.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank everyone""" start="00:38:55.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who was planning on coming to this event anyway.""" start="00:38:57.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emacs community is incredible, incredibly encouraging,""" start="00:39:02.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""incredibly kind, incredibly smart and talented.""" start="00:39:06.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Y'all make Emacs what it is, and it is so cool.""" start="00:39:09.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank you, Satya.""" start="00:39:13.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank all of the organizers""" start="00:39:15.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made this possible.""" start="00:39:19.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This thing is the coolest and it was, this was so cool.""" start="00:39:20.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hello@ElephantErgonomics.com](mailto:hello@ElephantErgonomics.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20bookclub-tapas%3A%20Bookclub%20tapas) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-before.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9a2f6c00 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 32-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" data=""" +00:00.620 Introduction +00:29.680 Hi, I'm Maddie! +01:03.840 Bookclub Tapas +02:00.520 Bookclub +02:40.300 Too many hats, too many roles +03:55.800 Narrativiation +05:24.780 My starter kit - My stock, off the shelf suggestions +05:47.660 Now what? +05:58.980 Our overarching goal +06:23.460 Our development focuses +07:05.120 The rest of the headings +08:37.980 Conversationality +10:55.480 Ad-hoc means lesricsf tion +13:01.920 Gratis documentation +14:48.440 Keeping the thread of your intention +16:21.500 Bookclub is becoming too much +17:25.240 Introducing Tapas +18:22.840 What are Tapas, what are Tapas not? +22:25.180 Tapas are maybe best illustrated by example +25:52.340 Introducing Squint +28:36.100 What else does Bookclub Tapas do? +29:08.160 Let's work together + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 31:25 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.opus">Download --main.opus (27MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.webm">Download --main.webm (74MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--script.org">Download --script.org</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/GAOZzrm6ecA">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (100MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (107MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-nav.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9cc95b9c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gardening">Gardening in Emacs: A Windows user's tale of tending, tweaking, and triumph</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/schemacs">One year progress update Schemacs (formerly Gypsum)</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/calc-after.md b/2025/info/calc-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7c0f6ebf --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/calc-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,314 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="calc-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:03.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Christopher Howard and welcome to my talk.""" start="00:00:03.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is basically an introduction""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the built-in Emacs calculator,""" start="00:00:11.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""properly known as Emacs Calc,""" start="00:00:15.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly from the perspective of someone""" start="00:00:18.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a technical background such as engineering or electronics.""" start="00:00:21.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will say, though, my personal interest is not really""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in digital computing or digital calculators,""" start="00:00:32.880" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but lately has been focused more on analog computing.""" start="00:00:37.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have, for example, been working to master""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the venerable slide rule, a mechanical computer""" start="00:00:46.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that calculates multiplication powers and logarithms.""" start="00:00:50.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a picture of one.""" start="00:00:57.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a physical tool that was used for hundreds of years""" start="00:01:02.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for this sort of thing""" start="00:01:06.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before the handheld calculator was made popular.""" start="00:01:09.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also had a project that I did""" start="00:01:16.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a while to several months""" start="00:01:18.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to build an electronic analog computer.""" start="00:01:21.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A rudimentary attempt of mine, but it's functional,""" start="00:01:33.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's basically a 1960s or 1970s style""" start="00:01:38.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""electronic analog computer built very much on a budget,""" start="00:01:43.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the box in the middle is the computer proper""" start="00:01:48.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has most of the components inside of it""" start="00:01:52.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the potentiometers for setting values,""" start="00:01:55.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an operation switch.""" start="00:02:00.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a patch panel on the left""" start="00:02:02.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for connecting the different integrators,""" start="00:02:04.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amplifiers, multipliers, and so forth together.""" start="00:02:07.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then the output of the simulation is displayed""" start="00:02:11.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the oscilloscope on the right side,""" start="00:02:16.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a digital oscilloscope.""" start="00:02:19.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be honest, I think that a talk about analog computing""" start="00:02:25.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be much more interesting""" start="00:02:28.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than the talk that I'm about to give,""" start="00:02:30.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but unfortunately that would be out of scope for EmacsConf.""" start="00:02:32.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is Calc?""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So instead I will talk about Emacs Calc,""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the digital calculator built into Emacs.""" start="00:02:39.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Calc, while not being a replacement for software""" start="00:02:43.360" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like GNU Octave, does have advanced calculator functionality""" start="00:02:47.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be useful in engineering, electronics,""" start="00:02:51.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or other technical applications. So I don't want to oversell it,""" start="00:02:55.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think functionality-wise, Calc is somewhere in between""" start="00:03:00.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you'd expect of a decent scientific calculator""" start="00:03:06.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an advanced graphics calculator.""" start="00:03:12.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this talk I'll mention is not intended to be a tutorial""" start="00:03:23.940" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but only a brief introduction to Calc.""" start="00:03:28.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please refer to the built-in Calc info manual""" start="00:03:33.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for detailed instructions on how to complete operations.""" start="00:03:37.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Turn off my volume here.""" start="00:03:46.740" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The documentation for Emacs Calc is built-in,""" start="00:04:01.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although on some distributions you may have to install""" start="00:04:05.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs documentation separately for licensing reasons.""" start="00:04:10.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Calc presents itself as a stack-based calculator""" start="00:04:24.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where entries are dropped onto a stack""" start="00:04:28.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then an operation is performed on the stack entries.""" start="00:04:31.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I can drop 1.23 onto the stack,""" start="00:04:36.740" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then 8.56, and then multiply them together.""" start="00:04:42.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""calc-algebraic-entry""" start="00:04:54.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It may present itself as a stack-based calculator,""" start="00:04:54.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but indeed, Calc is also capable of accepting input""" start="00:05:01.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the more well-known algebraic format""" start="00:05:05.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by using the calc-algebraic-entry command,""" start="00:05:07.740" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which by default is bound to the apostrophe (') key.""" start="00:05:10.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you type the apostrophe key, enter the algebraic input,""" start="00:05:15.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including parentheses as needed.""" start="00:05:19.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, here's a calculation of the resonance frequency""" start="00:05:22.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a coil which has an inductance of 250 microhenries""" start="00:05:28.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 160 picofarads, taken from one of my electronics handbooks.""" start="00:05:35.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The formula for that is 1 over 2 pi""" start="00:05:41.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the square root of our inductance""" start="00:05:50.020" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in this case 250 microfarads - excuse me, microhenries""" start="00:05:57.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the capacitance is 160 picofarads.""" start="00:06:06.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Small typo here.""" start="00:06:19.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I need to evaluate that one more time,""" start="00:06:24.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because pi is a symbol.""" start="00:06:26.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get about 800 kHz resonant frequency.""" start="00:06:30.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""calc-roll-down""" start="00:06:37.399" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The command calc-roll-down,""" start="00:06:37.399" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which by default is bound to the TAB key,""" start="00:06:41.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will swap the top two stack entries,""" start="00:06:44.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is sometimes useful if you need to manipulate something""" start="00:06:47.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's further down the stack.""" start="00:06:51.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can swap this around and say multiply by two""" start="00:06:57.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then put it back where it was.""" start="00:07:02.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This command is also capable of rolling the entire stack.""" start="00:07:05.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say I want to shift them all around.""" start="00:07:14.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can be done by passing extra arguments""" start="00:07:18.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the calc-roll-down function.""" start="00:07:21.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a little bit inconvenient to do manually,""" start="00:07:23.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so in my init file, I defined here a key definition""" start="00:07:28.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that passes in those arguments correctly.""" start="00:07:40.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I attached this to shift-tab,""" start="00:07:45.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this way, I can roll the entire stack.""" start="00:07:49.180" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I could change one entry here""" start="00:07:52.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then put it back where it was.""" start="00:07:56.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Calc does algebraic input.""" start="00:08:03.460" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Advanced functions""" start="00:08:07.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It also does advanced functions""" start="00:08:07.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you would expect any handheld scientific calculator,""" start="00:08:10.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including trigonometric functions.""" start="00:08:15.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, we can get the sine of a number.""" start="00:08:19.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'll mention here that Calc has multiple modes.""" start="00:08:25.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now it's in degree mode.""" start="00:08:30.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can switch over to radian mode if you want.""" start="00:08:32.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put it back in degrees.""" start="00:08:38.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drop 12 degrees on the stack, and then get the sine of that.""" start="00:08:42.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then with the inverse sine function, I can put it back.""" start="00:08:49.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solving equations with calc-solve-for""" start="00:08:58.180" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Calc also has the nifty ability to solve equations for you""" start="00:08:58.180" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so long as the equation is not too complicated.""" start="00:09:07.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is using the calc-solve-for function.""" start="00:09:13.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, we could enter in an equation algebraically,""" start="00:09:19.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then run calc-solve-for, and we just have to tell it""" start="00:09:31.700" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what variable we want to solve for. And there we go.""" start="00:09:36.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can do this manually as well""" start="00:09:41.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just so you can see that we get the same result.""" start="00:09:43.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Systems of equations""" start="00:09:54.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Calc is also able to solve systems of equations.""" start="00:09:54.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can put more than one equation on the stack,""" start="00:09:57.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then solve for several variables.""" start="00:10:03.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To give a technical example for this,""" start="00:10:08.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you a resistor network scribble that I did recently.""" start="00:10:13.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully you can see that. Basically,""" start="00:10:30.660" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's fairly simple, a pretty simple resistor network""" start="00:10:32.820" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with 1 kilo ohm and 10 kilo ohm resistors,""" start="00:10:38.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and using the loop methods, we are calculating the currents,""" start="00:10:42.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the current in each loop, and then that current can be used""" start="00:10:48.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to solve for the voltage of each individual resistor""" start="00:10:52.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we want to. So at the bottom there we have the equations""" start="00:10:58.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we come up with as we work through each loop.""" start="00:11:06.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to paste that into Calc.""" start="00:11:11.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To save some time, I'm going to copy and paste that""" start="00:11:19.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from my notes instead of typing it out.""" start="00:11:22.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have two equations there on the stack""" start="00:11:34.260" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one stack entry. We run that calc-solve-for function again,""" start="00:11:38.260" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we tell it which variables we want to solve for.""" start="00:11:44.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And voila! Those are our currents,""" start="00:11:49.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we can then use to get the voltages""" start="00:11:51.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the individual resistors.""" start="00:11:55.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""calc-find-root""" start="00:12:00.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'll just briefly mention""" start="00:12:00.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that if Calc is not able to solve an equation""" start="00:12:02.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with calc-solve-for,""" start="00:12:05.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you might be helped by another calc function""" start="00:12:07.780" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called calc-find-root.""" start="00:12:10.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This function basically does a manual search""" start="00:12:11.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a numerical solution to the equation.""" start="00:12:14.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's the documentation page on that.""" start="00:12:30.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Derivatives and integrals""" start="00:12:39.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Calc can also solve or find derivatives of functions,""" start="00:12:39.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the more straightforward functions.""" start="00:12:44.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For a simple example,""" start="00:12:47.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can get the derivative of that""" start="00:12:49.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the derivative function.""" start="00:13:00.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, Calc is also capable of figuring out""" start="00:13:11.980" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indefinite integrals.""" start="00:13:17.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say we put that function back on the stack,""" start="00:13:22.100" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this time, we call the integral function.""" start="00:13:26.860" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There you go. Of course, you have to add""" start="00:13:32.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your own constant of integration.""" start="00:13:35.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For integrals that Calc cannot figure out symbolically,""" start="00:13:39.820" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a numerical integration method is available""" start="00:13:43.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the calc-num-integral command, which is documented...""" start="00:13:46.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The function documentation is available here, more or less.""" start="00:13:59.999" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Programmable functions""" start="00:14:17.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I definitely need to mention""" start="00:14:17.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Calc is capable of doing programmable functions.""" start="00:14:20.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is to say, you can program your own functions into Calc.""" start="00:14:24.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are three separate ways to do this.""" start="00:14:29.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is through a macro method""" start="00:14:32.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to Emacs's usual keyboard macros.""" start="00:14:36.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second method is to transform an algebraic function""" start="00:14:41.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a stored function definition.""" start="00:14:46.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the third is to use Elisp directly.""" start="00:14:50.860" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Personally, I find that the second method""" start="00:14:54.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the most practical, the most convenient and practical""" start="00:14:56.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my opinion. So I'll give a quick example of that.""" start="00:15:01.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I could... Let's say I wanted to have a function""" start="00:15:08.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for calculating capacitive reactance.""" start="00:15:14.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll define that in algebraic mode first.""" start="00:15:20.700" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The function for that is 1 over 2 pi""" start="00:15:28.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the frequency and the capacitance.""" start="00:15:33.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drop that on the stack. You see, it does automatically""" start="00:15:41.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get simplified a little bit, but it's the same function.""" start="00:15:44.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I press letters Z and F. Do that again.""" start="00:15:52.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Z and F to start transforming that into a stored function.""" start="00:15:58.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It asks me to select a user key, a single key press.""" start="00:16:06.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll use the letter c.""" start="00:16:11.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it's going to ask for a longer command name.""" start="00:16:15.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've actually defined this once before, so it prefilled in""" start="00:16:19.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that command name.""" start="00:16:24.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I need to enter which variables in the formula""" start="00:16:38.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are actual arguments, rather than just symbols""" start="00:16:43.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be evaluated later. I prefer to put this in with frequency""" start="00:16:46.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the capacitance after that,""" start="00:16:52.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but actually in this particular case,""" start="00:16:54.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't matter at all to the mathematics.""" start="00:16:57.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, now all I have to do, that this is defined,""" start="00:17:07.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is I can drop the frequency on the stack,""" start="00:17:11.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we'll say, for this example, will be 4.5 MHz,""" start="00:17:15.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then drop on the capacitance, which in this example""" start="00:17:24.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be 22 pF.""" start="00:17:32.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I'll call the function that I just defined.""" start="00:17:40.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really like having to try to remember""" start="00:17:42.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the short letters that I've come up with,""" start="00:17:45.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'll just use the longer name.""" start="00:17:48.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to evaluate one more time""" start="00:17:57.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the symbol pi is in there and not yet evaluated.""" start="00:17:59.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so if I've done that right,""" start="00:18:05.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have a capacitive reactance of about 1600 ohms.""" start="00:18:07.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Plotting""" start="00:18:12.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""As the last feature that I'll mention here,""" start="00:18:12.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Calc does have an interface with gnuplot,""" start="00:18:16.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to have Calc work as your graphing calculator.""" start="00:18:24.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do need to be honest and mention""" start="00:18:30.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't generally use it myself""" start="00:18:33.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's another program in GNOME""" start="00:18:35.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've found to be generally more convenient""" start="00:18:39.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the things that I want to graph quickly.""" start="00:18:43.500" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think I can give you a simple example.""" start="00:18:47.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So first, we need to drop a range on the stack.""" start="00:18:53.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say 0 to 10.""" start="00:19:00.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we need to drop the function on the stack.""" start="00:19:06.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I believe it's the letters g and f that graph this.""" start="00:19:11.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Yep, there we go.""" start="00:19:17.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's our function and it looks nice.""" start="00:19:22.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was pretty easy.""" start="00:19:25.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the fast way to do it.""" start="00:19:26.660" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will, as a disclaimer, mention that""" start="00:19:29.020" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using this quick approach,""" start="00:19:32.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that sometimes more complicated graphs""" start="00:19:34.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will not turn out nicely,""" start="00:19:38.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because by default, the resolution will be pretty low.""" start="00:19:40.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is to say it's... gnuplot is going to be""" start="00:19:44.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""skipping a lot of points""" start="00:19:48.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so you'll have to learn a bit more""" start="00:19:49.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how to use the interface,""" start="00:19:52.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what parameters to pass if you want all your graphs""" start="00:19:55.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to come out looking nice.""" start="00:19:59.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that covers all the features that I wanted to cover.""" start="00:20:03.700" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wish list""" start="00:20:08.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I wanted to briefly mention a wish list of items""" start="00:20:08.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'd like to see in Calc.""" start="00:20:13.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of them would be improper integrals.""" start="00:20:16.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's like our definite integrals""" start="00:20:23.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except for where a limit of integration is infinity.""" start="00:20:25.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that can be useful in a few applications.""" start="00:20:32.860" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something else that would be neat to have would be""" start="00:20:38.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""annotations for row entries. So for example""" start="00:20:41.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I was putting together a sum of numbers""" start="00:20:45.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for, say, my monthly budget,""" start="00:20:48.820" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say I was paying $2,000 for my rent""" start="00:20:53.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say $800 a month for my groceries,""" start="00:20:57.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(a lot of kids to feed there)""" start="00:21:03.832" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then say another $60 for dining out, and so on,""" start="00:21:07.932" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be nice if there was some way""" start="00:21:14.566" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put a little annotation next to each number""" start="00:21:18.260" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you could remember""" start="00:21:21.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what the meaning of that number was more easily.""" start="00:21:23.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually looked into programming this into Calc myself,""" start="00:21:27.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but discovered that it would require reprogramming""" start="00:21:31.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite a bit of Calc to make that work well""" start="00:21:35.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""across all calc functionality,""" start="00:21:41.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so, eventually, I gave up.""" start="00:21:43.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'd still really like to have that feature.""" start="00:21:46.940" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The final thing, though""" start="00:21:51.140" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this would not necessarily belong in Calc,""" start="00:21:52.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it would be cool if Emacs had some way""" start="00:21:54.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run numerical solutions""" start="00:21:57.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for systems of differential equations,""" start="00:22:00.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also known as a differential analyzer.""" start="00:22:02.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this would allow you to be able to set up simulation models""" start="00:22:06.020" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""involving systems of differential equations,""" start="00:22:09.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, a spring mass system, or pressure temperature,""" start="00:22:11.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or what have you, and then run the simulation""" start="00:22:14.880" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using numerical approximation.""" start="00:22:18.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe it would be silly""" start="00:22:22.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to actually put that in Calc itself,""" start="00:22:24.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but a nice interface maybe to some other software,""" start="00:22:26.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simple software that did that,""" start="00:22:30.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an easy to use interface for that""" start="00:22:33.300" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be really great.""" start="00:22:35.780" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:22:38.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So that's my entire talk.""" start="00:22:38.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just mention some information.""" start="00:22:41.801" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to learn more about me""" start="00:22:44.535" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or things that I'm interested in,""" start="00:22:48.366" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do not any longer have a web presence.""" start="00:22:50.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't have a website anymore,""" start="00:22:57.780" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do have a Gemini capsule""" start="00:22:59.660" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I post to all the time.""" start="00:23:03.360" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you can install, if you're willing to install the...""" start="00:23:07.140" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gemini browser known as Elpher""" start="00:23:13.880" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into Emacs, which is available from ELPA,""" start="00:23:19.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can browse directly to it""" start="00:23:23.699" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and look around my Gemini capsule.""" start="00:23:27.360" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:23:31.440" video="mainVideo-calc" 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This talk is on this tradition,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intelligent agents in Emacs""" start="00:00:07.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using my Leonardo software individuals,""" start="00:00:10.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've mistyped as I just wrote here, I see.""" start="00:00:13.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to Sacha and everyone""" start="00:00:16.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at EmacsConf and Emacs, I guess.""" start="00:00:20.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry that I was running late.""" start="00:00:25.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm screwlisp.small-web.org.""" start="00:00:26.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I run those one or two weekly shows for a long time,""" start="00:00:29.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Lispy Gopher Climate.""" start="00:00:34.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm active on the Mastodon at @screwlisp@gamerplus.org.""" start="00:00:35.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm screwtape on lambda.moo.mud.org.""" start="00:00:42.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I ported, over the last kind of year,""" start="00:00:46.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""years, to some extent, I ported Eric Sandewall's system""" start="00:00:50.475" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for developing intelligent software agents,""" start="00:00:58.500" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which he finished working on in 2014.""" start="00:01:01.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got it working again around 2025.""" start="00:01:04.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, we're going to take a long arc.""" start="00:01:10.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to motivate... This is the idea.""" start="00:01:14.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see I'm using Org Mode,""" start="00:01:16.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I hope provides a good example""" start="00:01:18.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all the Org-Mode-oriented talks this conference.""" start="00:01:19.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you can also see""" start="00:01:25.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm using Eduardo Ochs's eev minor mode with Org.""" start="00:01:26.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we can see a little bit of the difference""" start="00:01:33.108" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between these two, and that will kind of evolve into""" start="00:01:35.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my style with the agent communication in Emacs.""" start="00:01:39.208" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see I used eev anchors as my Emacs headings.""" start="00:01:45.260" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In eev, you just evaluate Elisp expressions""" start="00:01:53.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as links to places.""" start="00:01:56.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An anchor will link you somewhere else in the document.""" start="00:01:58.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my table of contents links to my talk, I guess.""" start="00:02:01.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anchors come in two halves,""" start="00:02:04.808" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's why I built that unique table of contents""" start="00:02:07.508" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""experience there. What else am I going to say?""" start="00:02:12.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Totally normal computing""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So first, let's just do some totally normal computing""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because intelligence is going to be difficult to describe.""" start="00:02:24.175" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's just try and compute normally in Emacs in Org Mode""" start="00:02:27.141" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then segue more so into eev,""" start="00:02:31.101" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe I would like if an agent was intelligent,""" start="00:02:34.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would think that an intelligent agent""" start="00:02:38.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would do something like what I'm doing.""" start="00:02:40.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be recognizably similar to what I do myself.""" start="00:02:43.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think the word intelligence is relevant""" start="00:02:47.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it's not related to something I'm not familiar with.""" start="00:02:52.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Using Emacs as a human""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Using Emacs as a human, reading headings from my article,""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Common Lisp. Right, my friend jeremy_list""" start="00:03:01.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wrote actually a big project,""" start="00:03:03.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but part of it was base64 encoding,""" start="00:03:06.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I just yoinked his C code for base64 encoding, I think.""" start="00:03:09.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just clearly some C-based 64 encoding.""" start="00:03:17.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go to my blog, his project is actually a C++ project""" start="00:03:20.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see me doing this with C++ rather than C.""" start="00:03:24.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But basically, you can go to my blog articles""" start="00:03:29.580" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want more detail to read something instead.""" start="00:03:33.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here's some embeddable Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:40.300" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jack Daniel's ECL ANSI Common Lisp compiler I guess.""" start="00:03:42.434" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just what it looks like.""" start="00:03:48.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see I'm using Org Mode trickily,""" start="00:03:49.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using noweb to put the lines of the C source block""" start="00:03:52.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this one. We're tangling it to this file""" start="00:03:56.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than evaluating it.""" start="00:04:00.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, literate programming, tangle and weave.""" start="00:04:01.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're just using Org Mode""" start="00:04:05.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the other Org Mode people""" start="00:04:07.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are all showing us this conference, I guess.""" start="00:04:09.198" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we have to compile it.""" start="00:04:12.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's always hard to remember these invocations for me.""" start="00:04:13.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Results file. The file is my .fas file,""" start="00:04:16.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the way ECL's C and C++ integration works""" start="00:04:20.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it just has to be seen by compile-file in Lisp.""" start="00:04:24.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cached this earlier.""" start="00:04:30.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I should actually start Lisp, actually, shouldn't I?""" start="00:04:32.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are we going to do this?""" start="00:04:36.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(setq inferior-lisp-program "ecl"). We could M-x slime.""" start="00:04:39.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because... we better actually load this.""" start="00:04:47.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did a dry run before.""" start="00:04:48.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we can just load this, because I already did it.""" start="00:04:54.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I cached it. 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So I wrote this higher-level Lisp one,""" start="00:05:13.620" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's not really the point.""" start="00:05:19.141" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Obviously, Emacs also has Base64 encoding.""" start="00:05:20.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a point that we might have""" start="00:05:26.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C++ and C external programs""" start="00:05:27.980" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we'd like to be integrating""" start="00:05:29.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into our Emacs agents capabilities.""" start="00:05:31.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we can see a normal named Org Mode source block.""" start="00:05:37.140" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that calls that function, then an Org Mode source block""" start="00:05:46.475" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that calls Emacs's base64-decode-string as a way of""" start="00:05:50.475" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""validating it, I guess.""" start="00:05:56.300" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We go to Org, so we can see...""" start="00:05:57.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a named call to that function calling the Lisp function""" start="00:06:00.141" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org is just kind of like this.""" start="00:06:04.408" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's cached but I don't seem to have run it before.""" start="00:06:07.041" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I do the Emacs decode.""" start="00:06:11.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we just run this using C-c C-c,""" start="00:06:13.575" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can kind of see""" start="00:06:15.975" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what Org Mode is like a little bit here.""" start="00:06:17.241" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, yes, so as we can see,""" start="00:06:22.180" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh hang on, let's run this as well actually.""" start="00:06:24.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the C embeddable Common Lisp""" start="00:06:27.660" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""base64 encoding gets us this.""" start="00:06:32.194" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then Emacs is decoding and gets us back,""" start="00:06:35.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of validates it. I think I'm missing some things.""" start="00:06:38.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't pad characters out to the correct byte lengths,""" start="00:06:40.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that kind of thing, but it's fine.""" start="00:06:43.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""using this via eev as a human""" start="00:06:45.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And then I kind of contrast that to,""" start="00:06:45.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really like what my friend mdhughes.tech,""" start="00:06:48.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""game dev of the ages, calls REPL-driven development,""" start="00:06:53.180" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which he says is kind of the opposite of literate coding.""" start="00:06:57.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think eev, at least for me,""" start="00:07:06.140" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is kind of like REPL-driven development.""" start="00:07:08.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in eev, if you just press F8, the thing happens.""" start="00:07:11.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if it's a red star line,""" start="00:07:16.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the thing is an Emacs Lisp thing,""" start="00:07:17.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and otherwise it goes to the eepitch target.""" start="00:07:19.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I do this, great, now I'm pitching to that slime""" start="00:07:23.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""REPL ECL I made. And then I pressed F8. Press F8 again.""" start="00:07:26.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The string got coerced to a list.""" start="00:07:32.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""F8. Now it's car codified.""" start="00:07:34.481" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I quite like this, because this looks like something I can do""" start="00:07:38.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and understand doing and reason about doing.""" start="00:07:41.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I form a command to send from Lisp to Emacs.""" start="00:07:44.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I do it and I recover the string from the beginning.""" start="00:07:49.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I had one of these here. Oh, by the way, look at""" start="00:07:52.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What Org Mode did with an eev source block.""" start="00:07:56.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then when I close the source block""" start="00:07:59.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using C-c ',""" start="00:08:01.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it brings me back to the Org doc,""" start="00:08:02.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was a cool synergy between the eev minor mode""" start="00:08:05.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eev source blocks in Org Mode that I noticed.""" start="00:08:09.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I kind of want my agents to be like this eev usage.""" start="00:08:16.020" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clearly, Org is super powerful,""" start="00:08:22.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't even like writing calls like this,""" start="00:08:25.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you write the function that will happen last first,""" start="00:08:28.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you're kind of writing right to left, first to last.""" start="00:08:32.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whereas in REPL-driven development,""" start="00:08:39.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I'm writing top to bottom,""" start="00:08:41.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eev, I guess, executable logs""" start="00:08:43.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are logs that are like that.""" 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So one individual,""" start="00:10:15.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the agents in each individual share a kernel.""" start="00:10:18.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So only one agent in one software individual""" start="00:10:21.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is active at any given time, but the agents are separate.""" start="00:10:25.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They just all have to share the kernel resource,""" start="00:10:28.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the Remus agent. 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I could have checked that.""" start="00:10:59.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could have done something like (get emacsconf-kb contents).""" start="00:11:03.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and you can see""" start="00:11:12.700" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a location inside it which is agent1,""" start="00:11:13.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I assume is an entity file""" start="00:11:15.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I was working with before.""" start="00:11:17.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then what were we going to do?""" start="00:11:20.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, back to the embeddable Common Lisp image.""" start="00:11:21.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I just press our button back to there...""" start="00:11:28.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Start a loop for one leonardo software individual""" start="00:11:36.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And so my idea is that for an Emacs agent,""" start="00:11:36.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically, I'd like to have an Emacs Lisp list.""" start="00:11:41.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just when stuff gets into that list,""" start="00:11:47.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the agent which is always running, but running slowly,""" start="00:11:49.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will incrementally just do the stuff it finds in that list.""" start="00:11:53.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Populating that list probably gets into stuff""" start="00:11:58.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like your Beliefs, Desires, Intents framework""" start="00:12:00.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and those kind of well-known and well-studied algorithms.""" start="00:12:03.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not the point here.""" start="00:12:06.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just want to have a list in Emacs that my ECL...""" start="00:12:07.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to run a loop in ECL,""" start="00:12:14.260" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ECL is going to keep sending""" start="00:12:16.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything it finds in that Emacs Lisp list""" start="00:12:18.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the software agent. The agent is also in Emacs,""" start="00:12:22.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it would be able to populate its own list itself""" start="00:12:25.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it had an idea of evaluating desires and chances to improve""" start="00:12:28.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever it wants to improve""" start="00:12:36.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and chances to avoid whatever it wants to avoid.""" start="00:12:37.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We talked a little bit too much. 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I keep describing things as expert systems""" start="00:19:50.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and she wanted to know what I meant""" start="00:19:55.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I said expert systems,""" start="00:19:57.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I gave her a Lisp software example""" start="00:19:58.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and she said she personally wrote""" start="00:20:00.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that software in the 80s that I was referring to""" start="00:20:02.619" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and she wanted to know how it was an expert system.""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean when I say expert system""" start="00:20:08.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a system that works kind of like I do and eev's eepitch does.""" start="00:20:10.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's where we can really reason""" start="00:20:19.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very human-relatable way""" start="00:20:22.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about what the inputs to the program is.""" start="00:20:24.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also a program should be exposed to other programs""" start="00:20:26.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of like a well-structured transfer of knowledge as inputs,""" start="00:20:31.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it should have a well-structured""" start="00:20:36.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transfer of knowledge kind of outputs.""" start="00:20:38.011" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know why this b64-encode message wasn't working.""" start="00:20:41.940" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we kind of faked it into working.""" start="00:20:47.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to be embarrassing for me""" start="00:20:50.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if anybody watches this. 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+[[!template text="""was that his grandchildren were intelligent.""" start="00:21:17.666" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we had software agents that were intelligent,""" start="00:21:21.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would be true if and maybe only if they were similar""" start="00:21:26.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to his grandchildren""" start="00:21:32.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who were a good reference for intelligence.""" start="00:21:33.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And grandchildren live for a really long time.""" start="00:21:36.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They kind of learn gradually.""" start="00:21:39.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They don't run on GPUs for a few minutes""" start="00:21:42.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then get thrown out forever, something like that.""" start="00:21:46.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so this is the kind of vision of, I guess,""" start="00:21:51.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Leonardo system software individual stuff.""" start="00:21:54.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see we kind of faked it into...""" start="00:21:57.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the show get message one decoded bits were working.""" start="00:22:03.947" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure what was happening""" start="00:22:06.321" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the Elisp ones that worked interactively,""" start="00:22:07.301" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then they didn't work in my loopy thing.""" start="00:22:12.675" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, and then so I mentioned""" start="00:22:18.608" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you to Sacha at the start of this talk.""" start="00:22:21.308" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so Eric Sandewall's emphasis""" start="00:22:24.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you'd really like intelligent software agents,""" start="00:22:26.975" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leonardo system agents, to be like your grandchildren.""" start="00:22:31.341" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was talking to somebody, maybe to Ramin Honary""" start="00:22:34.175" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's doing the schemacs talk this year""" start="00:22:40.660" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Sacha's writing.""" start="00:22:44.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of Sacha's writing is about""" start="00:22:46.875" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""her experiences of life and technology,""" start="00:22:48.841" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially raising A\*""" start="00:22:51.775" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and her observations of her progeny A\*'s""" start="00:22:54.375" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""experiences of life and technology,""" start="00:22:59.741" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would say as well as being""" start="00:23:05.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs News and Emacs conf doer that she is.""" start="00:23:07.875" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and so I think a lot of what Sacha is seen doing""" start="00:23:18.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and concerned with are specifically what Eric Sandewall""" start="00:23:22.741" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""identifies as the study of intelligence as such,""" start="00:23:25.841" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as should apply to computing as well. 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I'm not going to try and fix this.""" start="00:25:30.708" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, everybody. Thank you. Talk to you on the Mastodon.""" start="00:25:34.257" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully, see you on the show.""" start="00:25:36.314" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you at your conference talks.""" start="00:25:37.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My blog has writing and examples of this with multi-agents,""" start="00:25:40.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more C and C++ stuff, Lisp things.""" start="00:25:45.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're welcome to come on my show to be interviewed,""" start="00:25:50.820" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""however formally we do that. See everybody next time.""" start="00:25:53.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="commonlisp-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Recording started.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. All right, you are live in Common Lisp on dev.""" start="00:00:04.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is Corwin back and I've got screwlisp with me,""" start="00:00:07.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the host of the Lispy Gopher... Climate, I like to say.""" start="00:00:14.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It used to be show.""" start="00:00:18.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Lispy Gopher show or the Lispy Gopher Climate.""" start="00:00:20.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for joining us. 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Magenta Guest is gone.""" start="00:08:10.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pink Guest is gone.""" start="00:08:15.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blue Guest has arrived. Great. 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Sorry, I can read you.""" start="00:08:52.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the next question you have,""" start="00:08:55.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somebody says, I found Eduardo's blog.""" start="00:08:57.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, you just got through that.""" start="00:09:00.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we were also, a question you answered""" start="00:09:03.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the other one that I see here, just about Lambda Moo.""" start="00:09:06.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think you started to answer in the pad.""" start="00:09:10.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want to kind of read that out.""" start="00:09:14.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I definitely haven't written anything in the pad.""" start="00:09:16.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to just talk to Khaki Guest in Lambda.""" start="00:09:19.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, so why don't you do a little bit""" start="00:09:23.720" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just read this question.""" start="00:09:25.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question was, what is LambdaMOO and how do we use it?""" start="00:09:27.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LambdaMOO is a module introduction,""" start="00:09:31.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can tell that to it.""" start="00:09:33.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's instructions in the pad.""" start="00:09:35.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll go ahead and drop that in the gen channel""" start="00:09:36.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or in the dev channel chat right now.""" start="00:09:40.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I see it is already in there.""" start="00:09:42.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But down at the bottom""" start="00:09:46.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the discussion links feedback area,""" start="00:09:49.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll see a set of detailed instructions""" start="00:09:53.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that ScrewList has provided us to get in there.""" start="00:09:55.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that was actually GGXX""" start="00:09:58.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who might have written that for us.""" start="00:10:01.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Several changes evolved in the last 10 minutes""" start="00:10:03.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before we went live here.""" start="00:10:08.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, so LambdaMoo is""" start="00:10:09.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the world's longest-running virtual reality.""" start="00:10:12.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it started in the end of October in 1990""" start="00:10:14.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and has run continuously to today.""" start="00:10:19.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can get there, ideally, with a MUD client.""" start="00:10:21.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Technically, it's a MUD, comma, object-oriented.""" start="00:10:24.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just where I hang out some degree of the week.""" start="00:10:27.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yduJ is the wizard yduJ, or sorry,""" start="00:10:30.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yduJ is also the wizard Nosredna of Lambdomoo, for example.""" start="00:10:36.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It kind of fits into quite less history.""" start="00:10:40.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess Pavel Curtis would have started in 1990""" start="00:10:44.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Xerox PARC, originally. Just to go to what Khaki Guest""" start="00:10:47.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been continuing to talk about.""" start="00:10:52.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Welcome to Brown, Guest, as well, I guess.""" start="00:10:54.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aki Guest says, to Screwtape,""" start="00:10:57.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it seems like you're trying to build""" start="00:11:03.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a more restrictive Turing test""" start="00:11:04.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the input output logs of an Emacs conversation.""" start="00:11:07.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that accurate?""" start="00:11:11.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you explain this idea of if it is intelligent,""" start="00:11:12.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like it to be like me?""" start="00:11:15.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, I don't know what intelligence is.""" start="00:11:17.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Doesn't that seem a little egocentric?""" start="00:11:20.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that a joke or a genuine definition of intelligence?""" start="00:11:21.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why do you think the link between""" start="00:11:25.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""input-output of Emacs human input-output""" start="00:11:27.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is stronger than other forms of Turing tests?""" start="00:11:30.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to misread Turing tests""" start="00:11:33.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a moment as Turing-complete.""" start="00:11:36.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Sandewall's system is very specifically""" start="00:11:37.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our first-order logic, if we don't extend it,""" start="00:11:40.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not Turing-complete, for starters.""" start="00:11:45.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And things like situation calculus,""" start="00:11:49.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""McCarthy's situation calculus,""" start="00:11:51.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I guess is prior to""" start="00:11:53.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sandewall's Leonardo's calculus,""" start="00:11:55.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are extended first-order logics""" start="00:11:58.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for reasoning about change.""" start="00:12:02.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so they're slightly""" start="00:12:03.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more restricted than conventional,""" start="00:12:05.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than general-purpose computer programs.""" start="00:12:07.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then what you're saying is, if it's intelligent,""" start="00:12:10.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd expect it to be like me.""" start="00:12:14.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really just paraphrasing what Sandewall says about,""" start="00:12:16.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, he thinks his grandchildren are intelligent.""" start="00:12:19.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if a computer is intelligent,""" start="00:12:23.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""he thinks the computer will have to be""" start="00:12:24.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to his grandchildren.""" start="00:12:26.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is in contrast to people""" start="00:12:28.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are using the terms AI""" start="00:12:32.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mean something a graphics card does""" start="00:12:33.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with extremely specialized bulk matrix multiplication""" start="00:12:37.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a very short period of time""" start="00:12:41.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on absolutely gigantic electrical""" start="00:12:43.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and kind of memory and computing resources,""" start="00:12:47.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which doesn't look at all like what""" start="00:12:50.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sandewall's grandchildren were doing.""" start="00:12:51.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is why I'm kind of saying,""" start="00:12:55.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, if I have an agent,""" start="00:12:56.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my agent is quite simple.""" start="00:12:57.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses Emacs server and Emacs client""" start="00:13:00.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send lines of basically extended""" start="00:13:04.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first-order logic to the agent,""" start="00:13:07.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the agent then takes a kind of""" start="00:13:09.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first-order logic-y action.""" start="00:13:12.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was making the point""" start="00:13:15.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this looks more like me computing""" start="00:13:21.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using of REPL-driven development like EEV,""" start="00:13:23.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where in EEV I have basically a log""" start="00:13:27.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of something I've previously done,""" start="00:13:30.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can tap F8 and execute""" start="00:13:32.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""line after line after line.""" start="00:13:34.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think if I see an agent doing that,""" start="00:13:36.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can clearly understand""" start="00:13:38.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and relate to what the agent is doing.""" start="00:13:40.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I'm not classifying""" start="00:13:43.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, I never do gigabytes and gigabytes""" start="00:13:45.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gigabytes of matrix multiplications,""" start="00:13:49.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can't relate to this as an idea of intelligence.""" start="00:13:52.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. Welcome to GreenGuest teleporting in.""" start="00:13:54.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""FullSpain is saying, no one truly knows what intelligence is.""" start="00:13:57.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. I kind of wished that this was working,""" start="00:14:02.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because just before we went live, they said,""" start="00:14:10.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, just have your example working quickly.""" start="00:14:13.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I downloaded my example from my blog,""" start="00:14:15.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd double escaped some characters""" start="00:14:19.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the escaped characters would show up in my blog.""" start="00:14:22.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I caused a lot of rampant chaos.""" start="00:14:26.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If anyone else has a question.""" start="00:14:29.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guest has said, but. So. Great.""" start="00:14:32.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I could go back and try it.""" start="00:14:40.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I probably should have jumped in a couple of minutes ago""" start="00:14:47.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just said the live stream did cut over,""" start="00:14:50.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we're continuing to record this""" start="00:14:53.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the whole session will be published""" start="00:14:54.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with the video on the website.""" start="00:14:57.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, well. Sorry about that. I tried that.""" start="00:14:58.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just lost a couple of minutes there""" start="00:15:04.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and failed to give you the smooth morning.""" start="00:15:06.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, no, no. That's fine. I was just kind of rambling.""" start="00:15:08.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Listen. Don't download a web page""" start="00:15:14.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try and convert it to an org file on the fly""" start="00:15:16.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just before you go live somewhere""" start="00:15:19.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the kind of moral here.""" start="00:15:21.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, just saying that's pretty graphics, but it's long.""" start="00:15:23.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's dropping. See you later. Yeah.""" start="00:15:27.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's, let's, let's all get out of here.""" start="00:15:29.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically. I'm going to go see""" start="00:15:31.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I can look at this ether pad one last time""" start="00:15:32.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see if there are any questions""" start="00:15:36.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to not leave anyone else.""" start="00:15:37.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyone out much to their chagrin possibly.""" start="00:15:39.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, how to connect to LambdaMu, seems great.""" start="00:15:43.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, interesting guides, somebody wrote that.""" start="00:15:47.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you mean by slowly? Yeah, so I'm saying taking""" start="00:15:52.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a simple action every 20 seconds,""" start="00:15:55.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this still adds up to a lot over time.""" start="00:15:57.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Question, do you think that it would be,""" start="00:15:59.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, well, if you've used Slime,""" start="00:16:01.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and hence you're using Swank,""" start="00:16:04.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just Swank, Eval,""" start="00:16:05.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs would be the more trivial way.""" start="00:16:07.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I felt like I was getting something bonus""" start="00:16:08.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by using, um, Emacs server.""" start="00:16:10.720" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody has a link to Eduardo's blog,""" start="00:16:13.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think has been misspelled.""" start="00:16:17.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be angkwu with no dot there,""" start="00:16:19.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dot net, sharp sign EEV.""" start="00:16:23.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Eduardo is the author of EEV mode.""" start="00:16:27.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found Eduardo's thing.""" start="00:16:31.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, this was the question, what is the Leonardo system,""" start="00:16:33.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I just answered.""" start="00:16:36.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is LambdaMOO? How do you use it?""" start="00:16:38.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a mud, comma, object-oriented.""" start="00:16:42.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a multi-user dungeon kind of classical video game,""" start="00:16:45.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still popular, but with extended object-oriented facilities.""" start="00:16:49.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Companies like Harlequin, which yduJ""" start="00:16:52.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Ken Pitman, for example, were at, I think, in the 90s.""" start="00:16:57.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of modernly, you'd have Slack web apps or something.""" start="00:17:00.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People used to have these MOOs and things.""" start="00:17:05.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, the music that's replaced me is evidently quite nice.""" start="00:17:08.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, get the hints. Thanks for being here.""" start="00:17:15.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, let's continue this diatribe""" start="00:17:22.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possibly on the Mastodon or something like that.""" start="00:17:29.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll do some kind of...""" start="00:17:33.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me thank you one more time for preparing this talk""" start="00:17:36.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for all that you do for the Free Software community""" start="00:17:40.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially for Emacs. particularly appreciate you.""" start="00:17:44.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for all you do for the Free Software community""" start="00:17:47.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and particularly Emacs, Corwin and Bruce.""" start="00:17:50.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm still waiting for a working demo of Dungeon Mode.""" start="00:17:53.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My joke that I was setting up and never had a chance for""" start="00:17:56.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was that I was going to say""" start="00:17:58.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted my agent to be using Dungeon Mode in Emacs.""" start="00:17:59.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How's that? Okay, well, we'll work on that.""" start="00:18:03.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That could be a project for the two of us in our copious free time.""" start="00:18:06.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely. Yeah. Okay. I'll let you go.""" start="00:18:10.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna abandon this stream.""" start="00:18:13.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. I'll end out the recording""" start="00:18:14.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks to all who participated. Okay. See you later.""" start="00:18:17.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/commonlisp-nav.md b/2025/info/commonlisp-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b8775dd3 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/commonlisp-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/private-ai">Emacs and private AI: a great match</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/graphics">Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/completion-after.md b/2025/info/completion-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e70f4409 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/completion-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,485 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="completion-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Nice to have you here on this talk.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is my second talk this year.""" start="00:00:02.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First one was on things that I've done to Org Mode.""" start="00:00:04.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just as a side note, this presentation""" start="00:00:09.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to share with you""" start="00:00:13.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about my work on Corfu and Jasnipit.""" start="00:00:16.280" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've prepared that on Org Mode""" start="00:00:19.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and exported that with a work I've been doing""" start="00:00:21.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the latest exporter.""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyhow, what is my talk going to be about?""" start="00:00:26.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to be about Corfu and Yasnippet,""" start="00:00:31.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I thought would be difficult to integrate,""" start="00:00:34.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it was much easier than I thought.""" start="00:00:36.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just a short outline, my motivation,""" start="00:00:42.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""step-by-step of the things that I've been investigating,""" start="00:00:46.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some takeaways. So my motivation, yeah, snippet is old.""" start="00:00:49.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've tried another, I've tried Temple""" start="00:00:55.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other template management packages,""" start="00:00:59.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was really not my cup of tea. So mainly why?""" start="00:01:02.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mainly because I have a nice base of VR snippets""" start="00:01:08.160" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have generated for my needs.""" start="00:01:10.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not that I've been importing snippets""" start="00:01:14.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from packages which are out there.""" start="00:01:17.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, they are my snippets. I'm used to them.""" start="00:01:20.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, migration counts as a cost.""" start="00:01:23.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been using Company as my completion point function GUI for years,""" start="00:01:26.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with the time coming in features and so on it""" start="00:01:32.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was it's was not as easy to set up as I wanted for my needs""" start="00:01:38.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I had been working I've been playing with Eaglet already some time for a language server protocol""" start="00:01:44.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had read about how easy it was to integrate with Corfu""" start="00:01:53.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was really nice and I had given it a try,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm using both graphical user interface mode in Emacs""" start="00:02:02.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and text mode,""" start="00:02:06.440" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for text mode you need a corporate terminal,""" start="00:02:07.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was yet another package that I don't download.""" start="00:02:10.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, and I didn't really find a quick way""" start="00:02:16.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get rid of company to get just snippet.""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So at the end, when, at the beginning,""" start="00:02:24.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I was using Corfu and Eglot, I also needed to load a company""" start="00:02:26.680" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have a snippet support,""" start="00:02:33.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was really like sort of weird""" start="00:02:35.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I wanted to get rid of, of your snippet.""" start="00:02:37.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyhow, while I try now, I'm following the mailing list,""" start="00:02:40.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the development mailing list,""" start="00:02:47.200" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I got interested when I heard something about""" start="00:02:48.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TTI charge frames being announced for master.""" start="00:02:51.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That would mean less packages to download""" start="00:02:57.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I thought I could get rid of Corfu,""" start="00:02:59.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wanted to try if I could get rid of Corfu terminal""" start="00:03:04.160" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run Corfu without that.""" start="00:03:07.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, there were some hints there in that mailing list""" start="00:03:11.200" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made it interesting for me.""" start="00:03:18.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And at the end, I'm also like a why not trying man,""" start="00:03:21.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I said let's give it a try.""" start="00:03:26.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My requirements, I'm working always on a new Emacs,""" start="00:03:29.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a decently new Emacs, normally from Master Vanilla.""" start="00:03:33.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completely Vanilla and I don't have any extras like Doom or things like that.""" start="00:03:36.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm only Vanilla. And one of the things""" start="00:03:42.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't want is that on this Vanilla recent Emacs,""" start="00:03:45.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want a Kung Fu Terminal. I need your snippet.""" start="00:03:50.280" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm basically an old man.""" start="00:03:55.720" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Old dog does new tricks and snippets must,""" start="00:03:57.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my way of working, must be easy and quick to configure""" start="00:04:02.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Tempo or others that I've seen are not.""" start="00:04:06.240" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want any reminiscence of a company in my setup.""" start="00:04:10.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, don't forget that I've embraced""" start="00:04:13.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the language protocol implementations and basically Eglot.""" start="00:04:18.680" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My main focus now is Python and LaTeX,""" start="00:04:24.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have PyLSB and TechLab.""" start="00:04:28.160" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't want to have to stop using them.""" start="00:04:31.720" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basic setup for Corfu and Eglot.""" start="00:04:37.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find it everywhere you look for it.""" start="00:04:40.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really easy.""" start="00:04:43.440" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And actually, I also do something somehow naughty,""" start="00:04:46.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is to set this variable,""" start="00:04:51.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Corfu auto variable to true,""" start="00:04:53.080" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although I know it's not recommended, blah, blah, blah.""" start="00:04:55.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I use that because I'm a bit lazy in that.""" start="00:04:58.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So next step was looking at completion at point functions.""" start="00:05:02.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the information there if you go through the scatter""" start="00:05:07.240" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sometimes a bit cryptic.""" start="00:05:10.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the end I came up with something like the thing""" start="00:05:14.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you see there on the screen.""" start="00:05:16.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a function for just completion point""" start="00:05:18.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I need my list of keywords""" start="00:05:21.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I'm going to be talking later""" start="00:05:24.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have my bounds which is normally a word""" start="00:05:30.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from that I get the start and the end""" start="00:05:34.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the of the thing that I want to""" start="00:05:37.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to be my seed for looking and bringing up Corfu""" start="00:05:38.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course I need some completion properties here""" start="00:05:47.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This looked like this is what you need to do,""" start="00:05:53.440" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I had to dig quite deep""" start="00:05:55.720" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to create a JavaScript keyword test""" start="00:05:57.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to understand the completion props.""" start="00:06:01.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as an update of what I've been doing in the last weeks,""" start="00:06:04.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've created a bound of things""" start="00:06:11.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that point for me with a different thing""" start="00:06:13.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that doesn't skip over non-blank characters,""" start="00:06:18.680" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only skips over non-blank characters.""" start="00:06:22.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? Because Word was confusingly tech,""" start="00:06:25.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the backslash,""" start="00:06:29.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in the example for the teletype text,""" start="00:06:30.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was not taken into account by Word.""" start="00:06:35.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I had to create my own one,""" start="00:06:36.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was a bunch of thing at point,""" start="00:06:39.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then my thing is non-blanks.""" start="00:06:42.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Completion at point properties, what are they?""" start="00:06:44.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Same to you.""" start="00:35:37.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/completion-nav.md b/2025/info/completion-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2305904c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/completion-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/weights">Weightlifting tracking with Emacs on Android</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/zettelkasten">Zettelkasten for regular Emacs hackers</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/gardening-after.md b/2025/info/gardening-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9a7aa15e --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gardening-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,387 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gardening-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:05.980" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. My name is Marco""" start="00:00:05.980" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll talk about gardening with Emacs.""" start="00:00:08.960" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gardening? Yes, but digital gardening, obviously.""" start="00:00:13.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But first, one thing: I'm sorry, yes,""" start="00:00:17.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a Microsoft Windows user.""" start="00:00:20.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know, I know. I said I'm sorry.""" start="00:00:22.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please stick with me.""" start="00:00:24.680" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do not skip this talk!""" start="00:00:26.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Promise, I'll show you only free software!""" start="00:00:27.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And speaking about free software,""" start="00:00:31.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, this presentation is not made with Emacs,""" start="00:00:33.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I made it with LibreOffice.""" start="00:00:35.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is a digital garden?""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is a digital garden?""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A digital garden is""" start="00:00:42.000" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your personal corner of the internet""" start="00:00:43.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to cultivate ideas.""" start="00:00:45.480" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Think of it like a real garden""" start="00:00:47.840" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you plant seeds (your new thoughts),""" start="00:00:50.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you water them (you add the details),""" start="00:00:54.395" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and watch them grow.""" start="00:00:57.380" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unlike a fixed-date blog,""" start="00:00:59.960" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows only polished results,""" start="00:01:03.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a garden includes works-in-progress--""" start="00:01:06.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like seedlings in a greenhouse.""" start="00:01:09.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a network of notes""" start="00:01:12.480" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connected by links and tags,""" start="00:01:14.760" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helping you see patterns in your thinking.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, the ideas are not static;""" start="00:01:21.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they evolve as you learn,""" start="00:01:24.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating a living archive of your mind,""" start="00:01:26.400" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like the plants in a garden grow.""" start="00:01:29.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also here, instead of the blog platform,""" start="00:01:37.740" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you decide the tools, the look, and your pace.""" start="00:01:41.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you how I run my garden""" start="00:01:46.880" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with plain Org Mode files""" start="00:01:50.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and our favorite Emacs.""" start="00:01:53.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In short: a digital garden""" start="00:01:55.640" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a flexible, pressure-free space""" start="00:01:57.880" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to explore, learn in public""" start="00:02:01.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connect the knowledge--""" start="00:02:04.213" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your own digital ecosystem.""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why a digital garden?""" start="00:02:11.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Why a digital garden?""" start="00:02:11.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, a digital garden keeps knowledge alive:""" start="00:02:13.560" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of freezing content after "publish,"""" start="00:02:17.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you revisit and refine it,""" start="00:02:21.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so ideas stay accurate and useful.""" start="00:02:22.400" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By sharing half-formed thoughts early,""" start="00:02:26.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you lower the barrier to writing""" start="00:02:29.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let concepts evolve gradually--""" start="00:02:31.560" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no need to wait for one "perfect" essay.""" start="00:02:34.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Links and tags weave ideas together,""" start="00:02:37.840" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""revealing unexpected patterns""" 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your and their improvement.""" start="00:03:07.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Over time, your garden can become""" start="00:03:12.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a searchable showcase of your thinking,""" start="00:03:14.720" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a living résumé for collaborators, peers,""" start="00:03:18.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anyone curious about how you learn.""" start="00:03:21.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what about me?""" start="00:03:25.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why a digital garden?""" start="00:03:27.800" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I actually have started a digital garden""" start="00:03:29.120" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to learn Emacs and Org Mode.""" start="00:03:33.140" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How to digital garden?""" start="00:03:39.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How to digital garden?""" start="00:03:39.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, start simple.""" start="00:03:41.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pick one place for your notes""" start="00:03:43.000" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put them online.""" start="00:03:45.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even the worst Github ever out there is fine.""" start="00:03:46.120" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, well, maybe you can move out of GitHub,""" start="00:03:50.420" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's another story.""" start="00:03:53.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Capture your ideas quickly.""" start="00:03:55.020" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Publish them, even rough,""" start="00:03:57.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe, if you want, tag them as seeds""" start="00:04:00.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to let the other people know they are rough.""" start="00:04:02.940" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Learning in public is useful""" start="00:04:06.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because link-related pages""" start="00:04:09.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that readers can work through your thinking,""" start="00:04:11.580" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helping them see your 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video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How I do digital garden work with Emacs?""" start="00:04:43.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Org Mode and its publishing to HTML file,""" start="00:04:46.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we will see it in a moment.""" start="00:04:51.140" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How to make Emacs portable, on Windows""" start="00:04:57.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How to make Emacs portable on Windows""" start="00:04:57.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the first topic.""" start="00:05:01.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, being in Windows,""" start="00:05:03.700" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have the advantage and 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+[[!template text="""I've customized links and tags a bit,""" start="00:15:55.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the CSS, together with tables""" start="00:15:57.800" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some other pieces here and there,""" start="00:15:59.840" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but nothing too much fancy.""" start="00:16:01.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The final result""" start="00:16:04.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, this is one (not-so-)random page""" start="00:16:04.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of my digital garden,""" start="00:16:08.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or my knowledge 枯山水,""" start="00:16:10.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my knowledge Zen garden, as I prefer to call it.""" start="00:16:12.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is, specifically, the page related""" start="00:16:17.620" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to write about the Digital Garden concept itself,""" start="00:16:20.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a sort of meta-writing.""" start="00:16:23.640" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the different""" start="00:16:26.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rendering of the links,""" start="00:16:27.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending if they are internal, in blue,""" start="00:16:28.880" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or external to the garden in gray-ish.""" start="00:16:31.640" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the Japanese furigana""" start="00:16:37.660" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on top of the kanjis,""" start="00:16:39.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you also can see the automatic table of contents,""" start="00:16:40.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the custom aside component that highlights""" start="00:16:44.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the latest modification date, and so on.""" start="00:16:47.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything I've spoke about here""" start="00:16:50.820" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is available in my digital garden""" start="00:16:53.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my knowledge kare-san-sui, again,""" start="00:16:55.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a sort of self-description""" start="00:16:57.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the digital garden itself.""" start="00:17:00.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thank you for listening""" start="00:17:03.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Thank you, everyone,""" start="00:17:03.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being with me till the end.""" start="00:17:04.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as I said, if you want more details""" start="00:17:06.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these topics,""" start="00:17:08.720" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""take a look at my knowledge kare-san-sui.""" start="00:17:10.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The link is here, and feel free to contact me""" start="00:17:13.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through Delta Chat""" start="00:17:16.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at this email address.""" start="00:17:17.480" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I know.""" start="00:17:20.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a Microsoft email address.""" start="00:17:21.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an old one.""" start="00:17:23.720" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I recycled it. I know. It's my fault.""" start="00:17:25.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again, and happy Emacs everyone!""" start="00:17:29.020" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: rodion + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/gardening-nav.md b/2025/info/gardening-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fc9f5c26 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gardening-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/hyperboleqa">Questions and answers to help you fly with Hyperbole</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/bookclub-tapas">Bookclub tapas</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-after.md b/2025/info/gmail-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cd1b0cb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gmail-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,758 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gmail-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Before we begin""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Bala Ramadurai.""" start="00:00:01.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today I'm going to be talking about org-gmail.""" start="00:00:03.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that I put together.""" start="00:00:07.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what I call gmail meets org mode.""" start="00:00:10.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they get along too.""" start="00:00:12.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's talk about email""" start="00:00:15.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to manage email via org mode.""" start="00:00:16.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The 4-year overnight success""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This project is a four year overnight success.""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was in 2021.""" start="00:00:23.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I said, Hey, wait a second.""" start="00:00:26.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It'll be so cool if we can integrate Gmail with org.""" start="00:00:27.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I started trying out new things.""" start="00:00:30.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And immediately I realized""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a much larger project than I thought.""" start="00:00:34.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it lived in someday maybe.org""" start="00:00:36.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for about three years.""" start="00:00:40.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enter 2024 AI arrives and in 2025 I had a working""" start="00:00:42.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prototype in 24 hours flat.""" start="00:00:48.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So three years and 364 days, nothing much happened""" start="00:00:50.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one day it actually got it working.""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes procrastination is just waiting for the""" start="00:00:58.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right tools.""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The real title""" start="00:01:02.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The real title should have been org mail for""" start="00:01:02.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people who like org mode more than email.""" start="00:01:05.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Gmail monster that has always been attacking us.""" start="00:01:08.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, but we still have to deal with email.""" start="00:01:12.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why not gnus/mu4e/notmuch?""" start="00:01:15.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""One of the most common questions that I've got so far.""" start="00:01:15.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why not gnus or mu4e or notmuch, or other tools.""" start="00:01:18.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are amazing.""" start="00:01:24.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use them if it works for you, absolutely.""" start="00:01:26.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just go right ahead.""" start="00:01:29.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it works for you, don't change anything""" start="00:01:30.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this looks cool.""" start="00:01:32.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The honest answer""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Well, the honest answer for me is that""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they want to be your email client.""" start="00:01:36.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not what I am after.""" start="00:01:39.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want an email client.""" start="00:01:40.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have enough email clients already.""" start="00:01:42.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want one more.""" start="00:01:45.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they require 500 lines of config.""" start="00:01:46.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've tried it.""" start="00:01:49.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a lot of maintenance for myself,""" start="00:01:50.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still have those somewhere.""" start="00:01:53.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The mu4e config or the gnus config.""" start="00:01:54.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They struggle with Gmail's labels,""" start="00:01:57.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threading, messages and deletion.""" start="00:01:59.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find it tough, and it's either""" start="00:02:01.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all in emacs or nothing.""" start="00:02:05.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It cannot be a combinatorial approach,""" start="00:02:07.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what I realized.""" start="00:02:10.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I said, why can't we have both?""" start="00:02:11.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want the org mode's focus""" start="00:02:13.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Gmail's flexibility.""" start="00:02:15.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The org-gmail philosophy""" start="00:02:17.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Org-gmail philosophy is very simple.""" start="00:02:17.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You triage in Gmail.""" start="00:02:20.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use the fast web UI for the easy stuff""" start="00:02:22.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and process in org mode.""" start="00:02:26.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pull important threads where you do real work.""" start="00:02:27.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, a two way sync is possible.""" start="00:02:30.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Changes flow both directions.""" start="00:02:33.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Big inspiration has been org-gcal.""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I named it org-gmail because I saw org-gcal.""" start="00:02:39.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was so cool.""" start="00:02:42.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really wanted it.""" start="00:02:43.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Think of it like an org capture for email, but""" start="00:02:44.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just bidirectional.""" start="00:02:47.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Architecture (the boring but important slide)""" start="00:02:49.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Alright, the architecture (boring, but important""" start="00:02:49.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slide) is that Gmail interacts with Python via an""" start="00:02:53.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""API and interacts with Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:02:56.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""User commands, org formatting, all that magic is""" start="00:02:59.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done on the Emacs side with Lisp.""" start="00:03:02.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python side handles the Gmail API, OAuth,""" start="00:03:04.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""json wrangling and Gmail API handles""" start="00:03:09.141" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the actual email data.""" start="00:03:12.408" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do pip install, add to the load path, and""" start="00:03:13.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10 minute OAuth setup, you are all set.""" start="00:03:17.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo 1: From gmail to org""" start="00:03:21.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We'll switch over to demo from gmail to org.""" start="00:03:21.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you go about doing that?""" start="00:03:27.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will start off with a demo folder that I have.""" start="00:03:29.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has this tree structure.""" start="00:03:32.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:03:53.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find out how to get yourself a""" start="00:03:54.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""credentials.json.""" start="00:03:56.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not very difficult.""" start="00:03:57.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once you have these, you're all set.""" start="00:03:59.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All you need to do is if you have straight or any""" start="00:04:01.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the other VC packages ready, that you can take""" start="00:04:05.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Git repository and have that in your folder, you""" start="00:04:08.540" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can do that, or you can do it like this.""" start="00:04:11.501" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have a Git clone.""" start="00:04:13.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I'm doing it right now.""" start="00:04:15.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just clone it, keep it in.""" start="00:04:16.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now you'll see""" start="00:04:19.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the Gmail is already there.""" start="00:04:20.875" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are two files that are really ultra""" start="00:04:23.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""important, which is, gmail_label_manager.py and""" start="00:04:25.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail.el.""" start="00:04:28.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the two files that do the email""" start="00:04:30.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""processing.""" start="00:04:31.900" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a plain vanilla Emacs""" start="00:04:33.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to use for the demo.""" start="00:04:35.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Settings""" start="00:04:37.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""These are a few settings""" start="00:04:37.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you will need in order to get going.""" start="00:04:39.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one is the Gmail itself, the elisp, and the""" start="00:04:42.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python script.""" start="00:04:45.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll need to require the package.""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The org agenda files need to be set.""" start="00:04:49.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If they're already there, then yes, it needs to""" start="00:04:52.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""include the org files.""" start="00:04:54.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Main settings are, you need an org file in order""" start="00:04:55.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to download all the emails from Gmail.""" start="00:04:59.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need the credentials path.""" start="00:05:02.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need the Python script,""" start="00:05:03.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wherever it is pointed to that.""" start="00:05:05.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The date drawer, you can customize it""" start="00:05:07.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to whatever you want.""" start="00:05:10.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I call it org-gmail.""" start="00:05:11.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set it to ignore certain labels,""" start="00:05:12.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not to download it.""" start="00:05:14.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're not interested in certain labels""" start="00:05:15.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being downloaded.""" start="00:05:17.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set that""" start="00:05:18.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and process time out of 300 seconds.""" start="00:05:19.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are some things to keep life sane in this""" start="00:05:21.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plain vanilla emacs.""" start="00:05:25.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have this refile targets and stuff.""" start="00:05:27.820" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the main org-gmail settings are all here.""" start="00:05:30.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to eval this buffer so that we have all""" start="00:05:33.580" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of it and we are all set.""" start="00:05:37.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have org-gmail ready to work right now.""" start="00:05:40.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Downloading""" start="00:05:43.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The first thing I'm going to show you is""" start="00:05:43.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail-download-by-label.""" start="00:05:44.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the demo Gmail that I have.""" start="00:05:48.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They all have some kind of test emails and I'm""" start="00:05:50.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to label them.""" start="00:05:53.620" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've created this hierarchy of labels here based""" start="00:05:56.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Tiago Forte's PARA - Project, Area, Resources,""" start="00:06:00.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Archives structure.""" start="00:06:04.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1Projects, DemoProject1, 2Areas, DemoArea,""" start="00:06:06.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""4Archives, 2025, OldProject.""" start="00:06:09.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've labeled them inside my Gmail.""" start="00:06:12.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, now let's go to Emacs and we will now""" start="00:06:14.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download these things, but before downloading""" start="00:06:20.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them, you will need to authenticate.""" start="00:06:23.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for that, you can start""" start="00:06:26.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with any org-gmail command.""" start="00:06:28.801" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to take org-gmail-download-by-label.""" start="00:06:30.901" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I press that, it immediately opens a session""" start="00:06:35.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my browser.""" start="00:06:38.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay?""" start="00:06:40.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What you can't see is a list of my Gmail accounts""" start="00:06:40.660" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to select.""" start="00:06:45.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to select my one Gmail account, and I'm""" start="00:06:46.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to show you the next screen.""" start="00:06:50.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in this screen, you'll have to continue and""" start="00:06:53.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""select, and the authentication is completed.""" start="00:06:57.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once it's, this is done, you can close this.""" start="00:06:59.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Come back to Emacs and you will have Select Gmail.""" start="00:07:02.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it has tab support.""" start="00:07:09.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you click tab, it will tell you""" start="00:07:10.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what all labels are available.""" start="00:07:11.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can pick anyone.""" start="00:07:13.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1Projects/DemoProject1, and let's see what happens.""" start="00:07:16.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It starts downloading and it downloads.""" start="00:07:21.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And all three messages, four messages,""" start="00:07:26.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""five messages.""" start="00:07:28.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Six, seven.""" start="00:07:29.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are 11 messages in total,""" start="00:07:30.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's downloading all of them.""" start="00:07:33.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""~/demo/org/0Inbox.""" start="00:07:36.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's where I have it.""" start="00:07:40.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here are the emails.""" start="00:07:42.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're all in org mode, format.""" start="00:07:44.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All the emails are in here.""" start="00:07:46.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since it's org mode,""" start="00:07:48.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can fold them all and you will see those emails.""" start="00:07:49.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these are five emails""" start="00:07:52.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are present for the DemoProject1.""" start="00:07:54.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Replying""" start="00:07:56.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next one I wanted to show you was""" start="00:07:56.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reply without leaving emacs.""" start="00:07:59.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to emacs.""" start="00:08:01.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How am I going to reply?""" start="00:08:04.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail-reply-at-point.""" start="00:08:06.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how I'm going to reply.""" start="00:08:09.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reply all or reply.""" start="00:08:11.380" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:13.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's first find out what is the email all about.""" start="00:08:13.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:16.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's just one sender with just one recipient.""" start="00:08:16.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the reply all or reply""" start="00:08:19.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't make a difference.""" start="00:08:21.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay?""" start="00:08:23.021" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we will reply at point and if it's Reply All,""" start="00:08:23.701" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it includes my own email as well.""" start="00:08:28.340" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this, my email is .mx.""" start="00:08:31.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:34.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cc, I can cc anybody I want and I won't do that.""" start="00:08:35.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a Gmail reply window.""" start="00:08:39.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Split window here.""" start="00:08:42.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-c C-c is what will send the reply.""" start="00:08:43.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-c C-k is what will cancel the reply.""" start="00:08:47.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to reply.""" start="00:08:50.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's say test reply from within emacs""" start="00:08:51.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and bala@balaramadurai.net""" start="00:08:57.780" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should receive this email.""" start="00:09:00.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:09:01.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Initial successfully reply sent for this email id.""" start="00:09:03.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:09:07.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A feature request I can already imagine is""" start="00:09:08.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the reply also appearing at the bottom of this.""" start="00:09:11.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not yet there.""" start="00:09:15.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the next version I will have that.""" start="00:09:16.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check if I've have sent that email.""" start="00:09:18.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check in the sent box.""" start="00:09:22.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just checked in the sent and yes,""" start="00:09:25.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a test reply from within emacs, does show up.""" start="00:09:29.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, great.""" start="00:09:31.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works.""" start="00:09:33.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Label management""" start="00:09:33.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The third demo is going to be on label management.""" start="00:09:33.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do I manage labels?""" start="00:09:36.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:09:38.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to emacs.""" start="00:09:39.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Suppose, I am not keen on this DemoProject1 for this.""" start="00:09:40.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should belong to DemoArea, okay?""" start="00:09:46.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this thread itself doesn't belong to this.""" start="00:09:50.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's do org-gmail-edit-label-at-point.""" start="00:09:52.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I don't want one project at all.""" start="00:09:57.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be under 2Areas/DemoArea.""" start="00:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it, it's not tab supported.""" start="00:10:05.900" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should know this.""" start="00:10:08.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will.""" start="00:10:09.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's another feature request.""" start="00:10:10.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2Areas/DemoArea.""" start="00:10:11.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when I say this, it should update it.""" start="00:10:14.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, it has updated it.""" start="00:10:17.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see that it has updated""" start="00:10:19.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the label here as well.""" start="00:10:21.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can go check if it has indeed changed it""" start="00:10:22.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in our... what is the name of the email?""" start="00:10:26.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a test mail for one project demo""" start="00:10:29.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the date is at 3 12.""" start="00:10:31.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check if DemoArea has it.""" start="00:10:33.460" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not refreshed, but there are two,""" start="00:10:36.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two emails now under DemoArea.""" start="00:10:39.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's obviously done the job well.""" start="00:10:42.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's happening as expected.""" start="00:10:43.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just turned this back from DemoArea to""" start="00:10:46.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""DemoProject1.""" start="00:10:49.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you decide that I want to move all of""" start="00:10:50.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""DemoProject1 to archive, I'm done with the""" start="00:10:53.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project.""" start="00:10:56.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Refiling""" start="00:10:57.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Oh, by the way, you could...""" start="00:10:57.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the whole point""" start="00:10:58.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this is to have""" start="00:10:59.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of this refiled into your project,""" start="00:11:00.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do that.""" start="00:11:05.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if I have that.""" start="00:11:06.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I have demo project one""" start="00:11:08.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I could have emails and I created a node""" start="00:11:11.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I moved everything there to that folder""" start="00:11:17.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that when I want to look at the 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That works very well.""" start="00:18:23.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And your org files and Gmail stay in sync""" start="00:18:26.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""effortlessly, and the whole email part of it""" start="00:18:29.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""becomes part of your knowledge management system.""" start="00:18:33.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:18:35.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What this is NOT""" start="00:18:35.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We have reached the end of the demo.""" start="00:18:35.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully you understood""" start="00:18:37.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what org-gmail was all about.""" start="00:18:39.668" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any questions, let me know, but some""" start="00:18:41.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bits of warning, I wanted to give you what this""" start="00:18:44.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package is not, it's not a full fledged email""" start="00:18:47.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""client.""" start="00:18:50.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's meant for label management and importing some""" start="00:18:50.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emails that you wanted or you're interested in to""" start="00:18:55.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the context of your projects or areas or your GTD""" start="00:18:58.740" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""context.""" start="00:19:02.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not a replacement for gnus, mu4e or notmuch.""" start="00:19:02.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not a way to read all your emails in emacs.""" start="00:19:07.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It cannot handle a large server load for sure.""" start="00:19:10.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not offline capable.""" start="00:19:13.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It needs API access.""" start="00:19:15.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So bear that in mind.""" start="00:19:17.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What it is, is a bridge between""" start="00:19:19.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gmail and org mode.""" start="00:19:22.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a way to manage important email threads.""" start="00:19:23.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can keep updating threads.""" start="00:19:27.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever there's a reply, you keep downloading it""" start="00:19:29.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to that thread.""" start="00:19:32.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to keep track of what's going on, what""" start="00:19:32.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the logical way you can all see it.""" start="00:19:35.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even use ellama or one of those to make""" start="00:19:37.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sense of the conversation.""" start="00:19:40.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it's a long longish thread, it's a power tool""" start="00:19:42.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the getting things done or Tiago Forte's PARA""" start="00:19:45.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""method.""" start="00:19:49.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've used PARA for a long time now.""" start="00:19:49.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a power user of PARA, so to speak, so I find""" start="00:19:52.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this extremely useful myself.""" start="00:19:54.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's about 800 lines of Python""" start="00:19:56.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and about 300 to 500 lines of elisp.""" start="00:19:59.068" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Google API libraries.""" start="00:20:20.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Email calls Python via the call-process.""" start="00:20:22.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""json is the interchange format.""" start="00:20:25.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why not pure elisp?""" start="00:20:27.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For one, OAuth 2.0 flow is a bit complex.""" start="00:20:29.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found it a bit complex to meander on.""" start="00:20:33.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's probably why it took me three years, 364""" start="00:20:35.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""days to get over it.""" start="00:20:38.140" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gmail API Client libraries are mature, easier to""" start="00:20:40.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""test/debug separately and lets emacs do what it""" start="00:20:43.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does best, which is text editing.""" start="00:20:48.460" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pragmatism over purity, the emacs way since 1976.""" start="00:20:50.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Roadmap""" start="00:20:54.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, some roadmap here.""" start="00:20:54.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But near term I want better error messages.""" start="00:20:57.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It still gives me python error messages.""" start="00:21:00.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are some asynchronous operations there's no""" start="00:21:02.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocking going on.""" start="00:21:05.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It needs a search integration soon.""" start="00:21:06.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Attachment I have not yet touched.""" start="00:21:08.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a big big if, I don't know how to integrate""" start="00:21:11.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with org-attach, I'm still wondering how to do""" start="00:21:13.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that.""" start="00:21:15.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perhaps I should be able to interact with Outlook""" start="00:21:16.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also, fast mail, proton mail.""" start="00:21:19.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know AI summaries of thread.""" start="00:21:21.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm thinking ellama could do it, but I'm not very""" start="00:21:24.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure.""" start="00:21:27.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Calendar integration is a nice idea, but org-gcal""" start="00:21:28.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and org gmail...""" start="00:21:32.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How will they interact?""" start="00:21:33.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How will that work?""" start="00:21:34.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm still not sure. I use them separately.""" start="00:21:35.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And any other feature requests that you may have,""" start="00:21:37.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just let me know.""" start="00:21:40.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contributing""" start="00:21:41.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What I may need help with if you have the time and""" start="00:21:41.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're interested in this project, is to test it""" start="00:21:44.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on macOS and Windows.""" start="00:21:47.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Linux.""" start="00:21:49.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it on Debian.""" start="00:21:50.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works fine.""" start="00:21:51.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OAuth edge cases.""" start="00:21:52.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure how it works.""" start="00:21:54.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It shows me some error or the other""" start="00:21:55.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here and there.""" start="00:21:57.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely documentation needs improvements.""" start="00:21:58.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other email provider expertise will be welcome.""" start="00:22:00.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's ready is, GitHub repo with issues.""" start="00:22:04.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can start with that could be great if you can""" start="00:22:07.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tell me some issues with that.""" start="00:22:10.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some kind of development guide.""" start="00:22:11.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am not a programmer.""" start="00:22:13.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I vibe-coded most of it.""" start="00:22:15.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a development guide, a true blood developer,""" start="00:22:18.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they can come and tell me,""" start="00:22:20.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is what you should be doing,""" start="00:22:22.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm more than happy to listen to that.""" start="00:22:24.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And probably a test suite.""" start="00:22:26.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that manually.""" start="00:22:27.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of this, some kind of help with that""" start="00:22:28.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will also work.""" start="00:22:31.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The big picture""" start="00:22:32.940" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The big picture is org-mode and Gmail""" start="00:22:32.940" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be friends.""" start="00:22:36.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can bond over a cup of coffee.""" start="00:22:37.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Let's connect""" start="00:22:41.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's connect.""" start="00:22:41.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are my details and I am all game to listen to""" start="00:22:41.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your question and answers.""" start="00:22:47.660" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm happy to give you any answer or responses that""" start="00:22:48.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find.""" start="00:22:51.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please do connect with me on LinkedIn. I have my""" start="00:22:52.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""website here, and please do fork or install""" start="00:22:54.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail and let me know what you think.""" start="00:22:58.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's talk about taming email.""" start="00:23:00.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:23:02.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gmail-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""I first of all want to address the feedback.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're absolutely right. I should have stuck to one theme.""" start="00:00:02.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I was using vanilla Emacs""" start="00:00:06.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not my own config.""" start="00:00:09.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to show that it can work, apologies for that.""" start="00:00:10.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will keep that in mind the next time I do such a demo.""" start="00:00:13.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question, I mean, the feedback was considered""" start="00:00:18.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using similar background dark only""" start="00:00:21.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or light only throughout the help,""" start="00:00:23.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""throughout the help with iStream.""" start="00:00:25.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question, the first question is,""" start="00:00:29.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should I know all my contact email address by heart""" start="00:00:31.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or is some kind of contact list?""" start="00:00:35.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, right now, this is just to get started.""" start="00:00:38.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it is, you have to know it by heart,""" start="00:00:42.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I take this as feedback.""" start="00:00:45.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will write this down for myself as a feature request.""" start="00:00:47.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will make sure that all contacts""" start="00:00:51.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or some kind of tab support is present for email addresses.""" start="00:00:53.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do not use the org system for replying so much.""" start="00:00:58.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it for knowing the context.""" start="00:01:03.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't really reply using the org mode itself to reply.""" start="00:01:06.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I did not focus on that feature. But this is doable.""" start="00:01:12.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can certainly add a tab support""" start="00:01:16.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any contacts that you may have, org contacts.""" start="00:01:18.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I don't know if there's any other package that does that.""" start="00:01:24.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if it is, let me know.""" start="00:01:28.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org contacts is what comes to my mind.""" start="00:01:29.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second question is, what would it take""" start="00:01:33.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use the org pieces of this with?""" start="00:01:36.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""offline IMAP or other non Gmail mail setups.""" start="00:01:40.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use fast mail.""" start="00:01:45.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I use only Gmail because that's my workflow""" start="00:01:46.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it works with a Gmail API.""" start="00:01:52.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So which means the Python script that goes along with it""" start="00:01:58.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only works with Gmail and no other system for now.""" start="00:02:00.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the current package.""" start="00:02:05.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, yes, I will note this down.""" start="00:02:06.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what it will take""" start="00:02:09.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to include this offline IMAP setup""" start="00:02:12.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any other non-Gmail setup.""" start="00:02:16.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me tinker with it and find out what it will involve.""" start="00:02:18.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So give me some time, maybe I will get to it.""" start="00:02:23.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, sorry. Oops. Okay. Okay. May I continue?""" start="00:02:30.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bella. Yes, please. Sorry for the confusion.""" start="00:02:43.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Amin. All right. So the next one is,""" start="00:02:46.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you worry about sending some info to a wrong person""" start="00:02:53.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to some unseen technical issues,""" start="00:02:56.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, due to memory overflow?""" start="00:02:58.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, I have not been focusing""" start="00:03:03.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on replying from within Emacs.""" start="00:03:05.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so much, or using my package,""" start="00:03:07.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually do it through the Gmail interface.""" start="00:03:09.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually use this to get the context within the project,""" start="00:03:13.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download all the emails, make sure that I have acted on emails""" start="00:03:18.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which Gmail doesn't do so well.""" start="00:03:22.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what the action is.""" start="00:03:23.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to use Gmail as a to-do list.""" start="00:03:25.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode is great at this.""" start="00:03:28.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any work I have to do, any reports I have to compile,""" start="00:03:30.147" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of that Org Mode does. I don't use it for replying""" start="00:03:32.647" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or doing its actions around the email, which I focus on.""" start="00:03:39.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But point taken, let me see""" start="00:03:43.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if there is a like Gmail offers.""" start="00:03:45.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, for 10 seconds or something you can still undo""" start="00:03:47.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it doesn't go out of your email""" start="00:03:52.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you made a mistake or if there's a problem with your,""" start="00:03:54.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, Gmail or email sending should sort of stop.""" start="00:03:59.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me think about that.""" start="00:04:04.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I've not paid attention to that,""" start="00:04:07.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll take your point.""" start="00:04:09.397" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next one, you should say what org-gmail is""" start="00:04:11.105" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not its goals and non-goals,""" start="00:04:17.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in this case is more helpful""" start="00:04:20.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help people get their head around this.""" start="00:04:22.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You had some good ones in your slides,""" start="00:04:24.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not your GitHub page. Okay, great.""" start="00:04:26.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so I will definitely take""" start="00:04:28.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the information from the slides""" start="00:04:30.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and give it to, I mean, put it back into my readme.""" start="00:04:33.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while since I updated ReadMe,""" start="00:04:38.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're absolutely right.""" start="00:04:40.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It probably doesn't say why you need org email.""" start="00:04:42.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that would be definitely something that I can do.""" start="00:04:45.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Wanting to add the goal is an easier way""" start="00:04:49.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to add one-off email into org mode""" start="00:04:51.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and org agenda workflows and first.""" start="00:04:53.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Love seeing a different way""" start="00:04:56.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of looking at and working with email.""" start="00:04:57.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for that.""" start="00:04:59.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, that's the idea here is if we can integrate email""" start="00:05:00.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think there is memacs, you know,""" start="00:05:05.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's one package that I love.""" start="00:05:08.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can integrate all of the other stuff into your org mode.""" start="00:05:11.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That worked, but I like email and dealing with email.""" start="00:05:17.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is my single source of truth outside of org mode.""" start="00:05:21.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's the only one I need for now.""" start="00:05:26.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I like seeing the action""" start="00:05:28.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the history on my org agenda.""" start="00:05:32.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one of the reasons why I built this package.""" start="00:05:35.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope that answers that.""" start="00:05:37.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is one more saying, how does it handle attachments?""" start="00:05:43.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it doesn't, do you have a plan to add this feature?""" start="00:05:49.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Attachments is a bit tricky for me right now""" start="00:05:52.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't understand org-attach so well.""" start="00:05:55.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use org-attach, but you're absolutely right.""" start="00:05:58.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does make sense to have org-attach also.""" start="00:06:01.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's definitely in my plan to include org-attach.""" start="00:06:05.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I talked about it in my talk,""" start="00:06:08.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I definitely have that idea.""" start="00:06:12.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First I have to wrap myself, my head""" start="00:06:14.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around the idea of org-attach and how it,""" start="00:06:17.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't like, what I don't like about org-attach,""" start="00:06:21.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll tell you, is default is,""" start="00:06:26.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it opens a new folder called data""" start="00:06:28.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are, it uses a unique code""" start="00:06:31.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are subfolders in it, which I do not appreciate""" start="00:06:34.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I want all those files also to be within the same context.""" start="00:06:37.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of my project or area.""" start="00:06:43.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's one of the reasons I, and I'm sure you can customize that.""" start="00:06:45.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are ways to do that,""" start="00:06:50.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have to pay more attention to this.""" start="00:06:52.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, all of the attachments are dealt with in Gmail,""" start="00:06:55.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not a good system to handle that""" start="00:06:58.730" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's so out of context.""" start="00:07:01.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there are like 25 contexts in the same inbox,""" start="00:07:03.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I do not appreciate.""" start="00:07:06.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So even the attachments are like that.""" start="00:07:08.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Org Mode has a much better way of handling it,""" start="00:07:11.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Emacs has a much better way of handling it.""" start="00:07:13.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will definitely put my attention""" start="00:07:16.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to this and get this feature out.""" start="00:07:20.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is all customer feedback for me, so to speak.""" start="00:07:22.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would definitely request all of you to try it out.""" start="00:07:25.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And tell me, you know, good""" start="00:07:30.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or bad things about the package.""" start="00:07:32.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you've been very candid so far. Please be so.""" start="00:07:34.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, so be it that be candid with your feedback""" start="00:07:38.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will get to know how to go with this.""" start="00:07:43.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With so much, I mean, I'm not an expert in Elisp,""" start="00:07:46.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have a workaround, which is I have generative AI support,""" start="00:07:49.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has done well with me.""" start="00:07:57.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I test the software better, so I can use the generative AI""" start="00:07:58.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me with the coding,""" start="00:08:03.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can test it so that it works for me.""" start="00:08:05.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I would request your help""" start="00:08:08.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also in testing this software.""" start="00:08:10.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for sure. Thank you so much for your question.""" start="00:08:13.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there are any more, I can definitely answer them.""" start="00:08:16.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [bala@balaramadurai.net](mailto:bala@balaramadurai.net?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gmail%3A%20org-gmail%3A%20A%20deep%20integration%20of%20Gmail%20into%20your%20Org%20Mode) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-before.md b/2025/info/gmail-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ffb75f0c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gmail-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 24-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-gmail"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-gmail" data=""" +00:00.000 Before we begin +00:19.840 The 4-year overnight success +01:02.800 The real title +01:15.600 Why not gnus/mu4e/notmuch? +01:34.280 The honest answer +02:17.920 The org-gmail philosophy +02:49.440 Architecture (the boring but important slide) +03:21.200 Demo 1: From gmail to org +04:37.480 Settings +05:43.040 Downloading +07:56.880 Replying +09:33.680 Label management +10:57.160 Refiling +12:04.120 Archiving +13:37.140 Action commands +15:53.680 Org Agenda +16:28.280 Trash +17:07.440 Real workflow: GTD +17:40.560 Real Workflow: P.A.R.A. +18:35.960 What this is NOT +20:07.680 Technical decisions +20:54.760 Roadmap +21:41.440 Contributing +22:32.940 The big picture +22:41.120 Let's connect + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 23:04 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.opus">Download --main.opus (20MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.webm">Download --main.webm (57MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--script.txt">Download --script.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/8P93UBYrUB8">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-gmail"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 24:55 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (43MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (18MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-nav.md b/2025/info/gmail-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..57a28521 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gmail-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/reference">Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gnus">Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/gnus-after.md b/2025/info/gnus-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f29245e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gnus-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,790 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gnus-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Amin Bandali,""" start="00:00:02.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'd like to talk about""" start="00:00:04.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs""" start="00:00:06.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Gnus specifically.""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus has had this sort of reputation""" start="00:00:14.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of being difficult to approach and configure.""" start="00:00:16.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's understandable""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it has many, many options""" start="00:00:23.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and major and minor modes""" start="00:00:26.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that interact in different ways with each other.""" start="00:00:27.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it also doesn't help that Gnus started originally""" start="00:00:30.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a newsreader""" start="00:00:35.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than a mail client.""" start="00:00:36.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a lot of the terminology that it uses""" start="00:00:38.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also rooted in that,""" start="00:00:40.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in reading and writing news.""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But nevertheless, with this video and talk,""" start="00:00:45.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope to provide a sort""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of very quick introduction""" start="00:00:52.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of starting to use Gnus""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to read and write email and send it.""" start="00:00:57.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will use Gnus' IMAP support,""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly because a lot of people""" start="00:01:02.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these days have email accounts""" start="00:01:06.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with mail service providers""" start="00:01:08.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that support IMAP,""" start="00:01:10.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an open standard.""" start="00:01:12.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's widely available and supported""" start="00:01:14.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""across many different providers""" start="00:01:17.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as mail clients or mail user agents as well.""" start="00:01:19.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, so let's just jump straight right in.""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will enter this demo directory that I created""" start="00:01:30.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the purposes of this 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start="00:02:04.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""install the keycast package""" start="00:02:07.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for showing the key presses in the mode line.""" start="00:02:09.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's about it.""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll also define""" start="00:02:15.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little like inline function +emacs.d""" start="00:02:16.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allows me to conveniently write""" start="00:02:20.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have it expanded""" start="00:02:24.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or refer to files and directories, rather,""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""paths that we could expand,""" start="00:02:29.301" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside my Emacs configuration directory.""" start="00:02:30.901" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have this eval-last-sexp""" start="00:02:32.834" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bound to a global key,""" start="00:02:37.501" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I will be able to easily""" start="00:02:41.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use it for this talk.""" start="00:02:43.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, let's jump right in.""" start="00:02:47.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Don't panic""" start="00:02:49.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First things first, don't panic.""" start="00:02:49.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's actually also the name""" start="00:02:52.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the very first node""" start="00:02:55.268" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Gnus manual when you open it.""" start="00:02:58.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's actually nice.""" start="00:03:01.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I definitely, definitely recommend""" start="00:03:02.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you look through""" start="00:03:04.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the very first couple of chapters of this,""" start="00:03:07.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""skim through it, and later on refer to it""" start="00:03:10.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you find something confusing""" start="00:03:14.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or don't understand it.""" start="00:03:16.134" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, we'll start""" start="00:03:19.500" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with these two paragraphs here.""" start="00:03:21.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So again, a Gnus installation""" start="00:03:22.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is basically just a list of one or more servers""" start="00:03:23.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the subscribed groups from those servers""" start="00:03:28.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and articles in those groups.""" start="00:03:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can already kind of see""" start="00:03:32.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where that influence of a newsreader comes in.""" start="00:03:34.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, basically what it's saying is that,""" start="00:03:39.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, we have one or more servers.""" start="00:03:41.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can think of them as email servers.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Groups can be like, we can think""" start="00:03:47.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of them as folders or directories.""" start="00:03:49.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, articles,""" start="00:03:52.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those would be like our email messages.""" start="00:03:55.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Configuring servers""" start="00:03:58.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""With Gnus, we can add""" start="00:03:58.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and configure servers mainly using two variables.""" start="00:03:59.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of them is the gnus-select-method""" start="00:04:06.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the other is gnus-secondary-select-methods.""" start="00:04:07.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one predates the second one""" start="00:04:11.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I generally don't recommend using it, because""" start="00:04:15.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first of all, it can only point""" start="00:04:17.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to one server, and that server,""" start="00:04:22.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's the primary,""" start="00:04:26.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Gnus won't add a prefix to its groups,""" start="00:04:27.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so later on, as you get into""" start="00:04:32.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more advanced features of Gnus""" start="00:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, for example, want to write rules""" start="00:04:36.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to modify your message composition""" start="00:04:38.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way for certain groups, or file mail,""" start="00:04:42.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically classify mail,""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this distinction can become""" start="00:04:48.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""confusing and annoying.""" start="00:04:51.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My recommendation is to always and only use""" start="00:04:53.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the gnus-secondary-select-methods.""" start="00:04:57.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so let's do that here.""" start="00:05:01.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna uncomment this portion.""" start="00:05:07.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, I set the primary select method to nil,""" start="00:05:10.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the second one, I define an nnimap server""" start="00:05:16.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the nnimap backend.""" start="00:05:24.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I give it the name ec25gnus.""" start="00:05:30.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I want it to do is to""" start="00:05:32.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connect to my mail server,""" start="00:05:35.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is at this address,""" start="00:05:37.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fetch emails from it over TLS with this username.""" start="00:05:41.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text=""".authinfo""" start="00:05:46.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And then the passwords or the credentials,""" start="00:05:46.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can put them in the .authinfo file.""" start="00:05:50.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normally, you would want to, for example,""" start="00:05:56.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encrypt this file with your GPG key.""" start="00:05:58.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for this demonstration, I haven't.""" start="00:06:03.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, the format is the keyword "machine"""" start="00:06:06.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by the name of your Gnus server or account,""" start="00:06:10.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by the word "login",""" start="00:06:15.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then your login username,""" start="00:06:17.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the password, which here it's not shown.""" start="00:06:19.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:06:23.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Configuration""" start="00:06:26.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But before we actually set this,""" start="00:06:26.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just show you that if we like start Gnus""" start="00:06:28.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with M-x gnus,""" start="00:06:31.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""initially, it will just show""" start="00:06:33.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an error like this.""" start="00:06:36.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even if we continue, it's empty.""" start="00:06:37.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's not much because Gnus doesn't know""" start="00:06:40.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where to fetch these emails from.""" start="00:06:43.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's what we will configure.""" start="00:06:47.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excuse me.""" start="00:06:52.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so just for convenience,""" start="00:06:55.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can bind Gnus to,""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, C-c g, as I've done here.""" start="00:06:59.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will want to set your name""" start="00:07:00.680" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe it still scatters them""" start="00:07:31.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a few different directories""" start="00:07:34.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your home directory,""" start="00:07:35.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a little bit messy.""" start="00:07:36.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I prefer to do is to just put it""" start="00:07:37.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all under the Gnus directory""" start="00:07:40.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of my Emacs configuration, as I do here.""" start="00:07:42.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and then here we just tell Gnus""" start="00:07:47.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to, like, don't try 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+[[!template text="""To actually see all of our groups or folders,""" start="00:09:00.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we hit shift L or capital L,""" start="00:09:03.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we see that we have an inbox here,""" start="00:09:08.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as expected. So we enter the inbox,""" start="00:09:12.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we see that there is an article there""" start="00:09:14.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's already been marked as read.""" start="00:09:17.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we mark it as unread""" start="00:09:20.780" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and exit and enter Gnus again,""" start="00:09:22.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is what we would see.""" start="00:09:25.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We would see that our group""" start="00:09:27.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we enter it, we see our mail here.""" start="00:09:28.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and this is our very first email""" start="00:09:34.100" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we read in GNU Emacs here, inside Gnus.""" start="00:09:36.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Always showing groups""" start="00:09:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It might be useful to have Gnus always show""" start="00:09:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""certain groups or folders""" start="00:09:43.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if they don't have""" start="00:09:46.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything unread or marked inside of them.""" start="00:09:48.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The way we can do that is""" start="00:09:52.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by setting this variable""" start="00:09:56.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gnus-permanently-visible-groups""" start="00:09:57.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a regular expression""" start="00:10:01.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that describes the name of these groups.""" start="00:10:03.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we launch Gnus again,""" start="00:10:09.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this time, we see that that group is visible,""" start="00:10:11.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though there's no unread messages in it.""" start="00:10:14.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading messages""" start="00:10:19.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""When we enter a group or folder,""" start="00:10:19.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will see a list of all of our messages.""" start="00:10:24.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, we only have one.""" start="00:10:26.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can press M-u or Alt-u""" start="00:10:27.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mark something as unread.""" start="00:10:31.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can press d to mark it as read.""" start="00:10:34.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you press just u,""" start="00:10:38.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll tick the article,""" start="00:10:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is kind of the equivalent""" start="00:10:41.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of marking the message or email""" start="00:10:44.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as starred in other email clients""" start="00:10:47.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as Thunderbird.""" start="00:10:50.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We see that when there are groups""" start="00:10:55.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that have starred or ticked messages""" start="00:11:00.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of them,""" start="00:11:03.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus will mark them""" start="00:11:04.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this little star here, or asterisk.""" start="00:11:05.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk is just barely""" start="00:11:16.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scratching the surface.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you set it to anything non-nil,""" start="00:11:40.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will log the commands that it runs""" start="00:11:42.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a special `\*imap log\*` buffer.""" start="00:11:46.700" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here I just set it""" start="00:11:49.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to this init-file-debug variable,""" start="00:11:50.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is set to non-nil""" start="00:11:52.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you launch Emacs""" start="00:11:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the --debug-init switch,""" start="00:11:56.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's pretty helpful.""" start="00:11:59.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You want to also set your sent folder,""" start="00:12:02.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically, where Gnus will save""" start="00:12:05.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a copy of the message that you just sent.""" start="00:12:07.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normally, I think the convention these days is,""" start="00:12:09.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of you know servers and clients""" start="00:12:12.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use a dedicated sent folder,""" start="00:12:16.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with Gnus, I just prefer to use INBOX itself.""" start="00:12:18.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mainly because then I will have""" start="00:12:24.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threading working for free,""" start="00:12:27.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can read the entire thread""" start="00:12:28.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of an email chain there in one place.""" start="00:12:31.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, we don't have to keep""" start="00:12:34.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the messages in there forever.""" start="00:12:35.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in fact, Gnus has facilities,""" start="00:12:38.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both manual and automated,""" start="00:12:42.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for expiring emails into""" start="00:12:43.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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So let's move on here.""" start="00:12:52.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Topics""" start="00:12:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Topics are another nice feature of Gnus.""" start="00:12:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is useful""" start="00:13:02.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for creating some topics""" start="00:13:03.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then classifying or grouping""" start="00:13:05.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your directories there.""" start="00:13:08.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we will see the use""" start="00:13:10.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this in a moment,""" start="00:13:11.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where, let's say, I want to add""" start="00:13:13.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a second account to Gnus.""" start="00:13:17.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one I'm going to call ec25work.""" start="00:13:20.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's pretend that""" start="00:13:23.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is my work email.""" start="00:13:24.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we open Gnus now,""" start="00:13:29.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that our work INBOX""" start="00:13:32.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also shows up here.""" start="00:13:37.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because we enabled topic mode,""" start="00:13:37.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that we have""" start="00:13:41.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these sort of buttons""" start="00:13:42.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Gnus and misc here.""" start="00:13:43.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can, I believe,""" start="00:13:44.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""create a topic with capital T n.""" start="00:13:46.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can call it personal, this one.""" start="00:13:49.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's create another one, work.""" start="00:13:52.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then what we can do is go""" start="00:13:56.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the directory that we want,""" start="00:13:59.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, this one,""" start="00:14:02.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hit capital T m to move it""" start="00:14:04.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the personal topic,""" start="00:14:08.220" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this work one,""" start="00:14:11.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""move it to the work topic.""" start="00:14:13.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can nicely classify""" start="00:14:15.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and group our groups folders here,""" start="00:14:17.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is especially useful""" start="00:14:23.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you have hundreds of them.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Customizing message display""" start="00:14:25.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Anyhow, we can customize""" start="00:14:25.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different aspects of message display.""" start="00:14:29.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like for example,""" start="00:14:35.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can this way customize""" start="00:14:35.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and change the order of""" start="00:14:38.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which headers we want to see and where.""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I launch Gnus""" start="00:14:41.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and go back to this email here,""" start="00:14:45.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are the headers that we see at the top.""" start="00:14:48.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excuse me.""" start="00:14:52.140" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with Gnus we can always""" start="00:14:52.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can have it show all the headers""" start="00:14:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by pressing t to toggle the headers.""" start="00:14:57.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we can see all the nitty-gritty""" start="00:15:02.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all of the headers in the message""" start="00:15:04.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can toggle it back with t again.""" start="00:15:06.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can modify and customize the sorting""" start="00:15:12.220" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with dedicated sorting functions.""" start="00:15:16.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It comes with a number of them""" start="00:15:20.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of the box""" start="00:15:21.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we can define them as well.""" start="00:15:21.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sending emails""" start="00:15:24.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now to send emails. Let's see.""" start="00:15:24.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will be using message,""" start="00:15:29.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's what Gnus itself uses.""" start="00:15:31.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will set things up here.""" start="00:15:34.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:15:38.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so first of all,""" start="00:15:42.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we want to have Gnus mark""" start="00:15:44.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the messages that we write to others""" start="00:15:46.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as read automatically,""" start="00:15:48.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this option does that.""" start="00:15:49.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we define posting styles this way""" start="00:15:51.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the prefix, the name""" start="00:15:58.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the IMAP server.""" start="00:16:01.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is how we can tell it to use""" start="00:16:04.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what email address for the From [header]""" start="00:16:06.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and which SMTP server to send it with.""" start="00:16:09.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and then gcc is where Gnus will save""" start="00:16:14.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the copy of the messages that we write.""" start="00:16:17.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we go ahead and launch Gnus again.""" start="00:16:20.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can go into our personal email here,""" start="00:16:24.140" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hit m to compose a new message.""" start="00:16:26.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can prepare an email to,""" start="00:16:28.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say, our work address.""" start="00:16:33.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello from EmacsConf 2025 Gnus talk.""" start="00:16:35.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello, this is just a test. :)""" start="00:16:42.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and we hit send.""" start="00:16:47.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The sending will be done""" start="00:16:55.740" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Emacs's built-in SMTP libraries.""" start="00:16:56.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it can take a moment.""" start="00:17:03.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, that's it. It's done.""" start="00:17:05.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we go back out""" start="00:17:07.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if we hit g to get new news,""" start="00:17:09.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we should be able to see our new email there""" start="00:17:11.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the other account that we just sent it to.""" start="00:17:15.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can come here, open it,""" start="00:17:17.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there we go.""" start="00:17:22.361" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Plans""" start="00:17:26.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is a lot to configure in Gnus,""" start="00:17:26.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we're just barely scratching the surface,""" start="00:17:29.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and unfortunately I don't have the time""" start="00:17:31.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to explain all of these""" start="00:17:34.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do plan on doing""" start="00:17:35.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a much longer running series,""" start="00:17:36.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether it's text or videos,""" start="00:17:38.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""showing how to configure""" start="00:17:41.500" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use a lot of these different aspects of Gnus.""" start="00:17:42.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, here, near the end, just a couple of...""" start="00:17:45.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quick things. I find it's nice to have message""" start="00:17:49.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prompt us for [confirmation]""" start="00:17:54.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we do want to send a message.""" start="00:17:56.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, when it does that, I take""" start="00:17:59.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another look over my email""" start="00:18:01.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make sure I don't have any typos.""" start="00:18:02.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's generally a good idea to wrap your messages""" start="00:18:07.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around 70 or 72 characters.""" start="00:18:09.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do that here.""" start="00:18:14.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can tell Gnus to forward messages""" start="00:18:16.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a proper MIME part,""" start="00:18:19.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of some half-broken way.""" start="00:18:22.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This customization, the sendmail function,""" start="00:18:27.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is how we tell Gnus with message""" start="00:18:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use the SMTP library to sending the email,""" start="00:18:34.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these two variables are useful for""" start="00:18:38.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""omitting our own email address""" start="00:18:42.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we want to send someone,""" start="00:18:45.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when we hit r, to reply to someone.""" start="00:18:47.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we configure these variables,""" start="00:18:50.180" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Gnus won't add""" start="00:18:51.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our own address to the To or Cc,""" start="00:18:52.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is pretty useful.""" start="00:18:56.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also find it helpful""" start="00:18:58.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to unbind C-c C-s.""" start="00:18:59.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's another key""" start="00:19:03.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for sending the message [in addition to C-c C-c].""" start="00:19:04.975" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because C-c C-d,""" start="00:19:06.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very close to it on the QWERTY layout,""" start="00:19:09.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is useful for saving a draft""" start="00:19:13.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then coming back to it,""" start="00:19:15.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally hit C-c C-s,""" start="00:19:16.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and send the message prematurely.""" start="00:19:20.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I unbind it.""" start="00:19:22.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, anyway, that's about it.""" start="00:19:25.980" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:19:27.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""That's a kind of very quick tour""" start="00:19:27.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and introduction of setting up Gnus.""" start="00:19:31.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, we just configured a remote IMAP server,""" start="00:19:37.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we can also, of course,""" start="00:19:40.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up a local IMAP server such as Dovecot""" start="00:19:43.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and point Gnus to there,""" start="00:19:46.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use programs like OfflineIMAP, I believe,""" start="00:19:48.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the mbsync program from isync package""" start="00:19:52.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or isync project to synchronize our messages""" start="00:19:57.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to local mail directories""" start="00:20:02.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then point Gnus to it.""" start="00:20:04.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason we might want to use that""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to always have a copy of our messages at hand""" start="00:20:08.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can use offline.""" start="00:20:11.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""nnimap""" start="00:20:12.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And why use nnimap specifically?""" start="00:20:12.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As of now, the Maildir backend included with Gnus""" start="00:20:17.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is very inefficient,""" start="00:20:27.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially when dealing with""" start="00:20:29.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tens or hundreds of thousands of messages""" start="00:20:31.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like some of us are.""" start="00:20:33.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just takes an eternity to try""" start="00:20:36.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and index them and get going.""" start="00:20:38.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In that case, what I recommend doing""" start="00:20:43.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is instead of interfacing directly with Maildir,""" start="00:20:44.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Gnus, just install and run""" start="00:20:47.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dovecot, a local IMAP server,""" start="00:20:52.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and point Gnus to that.""" start="00:20:54.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I plan on writing tutorials or doing videos""" start="00:20:59.820" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these other aspects""" start="00:21:02.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of configuring Gnus after the conference.""" start="00:21:06.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's about it for me,""" start="00:21:10.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I hope you find this helpful.""" start="00:21:11.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any questions,""" start="00:21:14.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please feel free to email me""" start="00:21:16.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at bandali@gnu.org or @kelar.org.""" start="00:21:18.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can take a look at my personal website""" start="00:21:23.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I plan on posting""" start="00:21:25.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other Emacs and Gnus materials.""" start="00:21:26.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, thank you for watching""" start="00:21:31.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:21:33.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care.""" start="00:21:35.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gnus-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Okay, so first question.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I noticed that it took considerable amount of time to send email.""" start="00:00:02.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it possible to configure to use an external SMTP client""" start="00:00:05.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send emails? Right, yes, it definitely is possible.""" start="00:00:09.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, in the past, I've used, I believe, MSMTP,""" start="00:00:14.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a small SMTP implementation""" start="00:00:18.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's independent of Emacs. So you can do that.""" start="00:00:23.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also possible to, pointed""" start="00:00:27.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have it use the sendmail binary on your system.""" start="00:00:30.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have a local MTA mail transfer agents""" start="00:00:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Exim or Postfix installed and configure.""" start="00:00:41.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe that should also dispatch""" start="00:00:46.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and return instantaneously""" start="00:00:50.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have Postfix or Exim""" start="00:00:51.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deal with sending the message on their terms""" start="00:00:55.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without blocking Emacs. I don't know, it depends.""" start="00:00:57.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normally it's not always that slow. Sometimes it is.""" start="00:01:02.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it also depends on the load on your mail server.""" start="00:01:04.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it's instantaneous, sometimes not.""" start="00:01:11.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I hope that helps.""" start="00:01:14.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see, is the Dovecot workaround""" start="00:01:17.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually a solution?""" start="00:01:20.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't tried it, but if it works smoothly,""" start="00:01:21.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll surely do so. It is, it really is.""" start="00:01:24.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've actually been using that setup for many years.""" start="00:01:27.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember. Oh, I believe it's Eric Abramson""" start="00:01:31.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who first shared instructions on how to set this up.""" start="00:01:45.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see if I can find it. There we go. Yeah, this is it.""" start="00:01:49.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll share this on IRC as well.""" start="00:02:04.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so Dovecot is very, very efficient.""" start="00:02:06.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written in C. And yeah, when you point Gnu's""" start="00:02:15.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to an IMAP server like Dovecot,""" start="00:02:21.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dealing with email is pretty instantaneous.""" start="00:02:23.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This article or post by Eric is great.""" start="00:02:25.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although I will say that""" start="00:02:29.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a recent major release of Dovecot.""" start="00:02:32.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember if it's 2.4 or 2.5.""" start="00:02:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's a breaking change.""" start="00:02:37.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They change a lot of the configuration syntax,""" start="00:02:39.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's a high likelihood""" start="00:02:42.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this drop-in configuration won't work,""" start="00:02:44.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though that's what I used""" start="00:02:47.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as my starting point a couple years ago.""" start="00:02:49.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be writing an article on my personal site""" start="00:02:51.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go over how to configure recent versions of Dofconn""" start="00:02:56.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for such a setup, for a local setup.""" start="00:03:02.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Do you have experience with Mu4e or not much?""" start="00:03:07.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And why would you say Gnus is worth using compared to these?""" start="00:03:15.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have experience with these,""" start="00:03:22.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although it goes back many years,""" start="00:03:23.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm sure both of these have evolved since,""" start="00:03:25.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they're great pieces of software in their own rights.""" start="00:03:27.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And actually I did use them in that order.""" start="00:03:31.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I first tried Mu4e in Emacs,""" start="00:03:33.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I started using email in Emacs,""" start="00:03:37.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I tried Notmuch for a while, and then I went to Gnus.""" start="00:03:40.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're great. They have like pros and cons.""" start="00:03:44.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mu4e, I believe, has""" start="00:03:51.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""excellent maildir handling directly,""" start="00:03:52.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I'm not mistaken, unlike Gnus,""" start="00:03:55.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can point it directly""" start="00:03:58.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to your maildirs locally,""" start="00:04:00.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it should work fine,""" start="00:04:03.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I'm remembering correctly.""" start="00:04:06.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""NotMuch is also excellent.""" start="00:04:08.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing with Notmuch""" start="00:04:11.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it uses Xapien""" start="00:04:12.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for indexing and searching email.""" start="00:04:13.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's tag-based, so you can tag messages.""" start="00:04:17.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, yeah, it's amazing""" start="00:04:20.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for tagging and searching capabilities,""" start="00:04:24.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very powerful search features.""" start="00:04:26.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my reason for trying Gnus""" start="00:04:28.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then, I don't know, eventually""" start="00:04:31.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""liking it was couple of years ago,""" start="00:04:33.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I went through this kind of phase""" start="00:04:37.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of trying and trying to like use""" start="00:04:38.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stick with packages""" start="00:04:40.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are built into GNU Emacs""" start="00:04:43.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as much as possible.""" start="00:04:45.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No particular reason that I would like,""" start="00:04:47.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, recommend people do that per se,""" start="00:04:51.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but yeah, that's just what I wanted to do.""" start="00:04:54.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cause I noticed my configurations""" start="00:04:57.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were like growing unwieldy.""" start="00:05:00.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I, like many others declared, Emacs in its bankruptcy,""" start="00:05:02.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in its file bankruptcy, and configure things from scratch""" start="00:05:07.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try to use whatever that Emacs had to offer""" start="00:05:11.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built in itself, and then only reach for a couple""" start="00:05:15.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of external packages here and there.""" start="00:05:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what I went to. That's how I ended up on Gnu's.""" start="00:05:20.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's been very nice.""" start="00:05:24.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've tried a few other email clients""" start="00:05:26.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since then, temporarily,""" start="00:05:29.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like I tried AERC, A-E-R-C,""" start="00:05:31.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not built into Emacs,""" start="00:05:33.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't know,""" start="00:05:36.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I keep coming back to Gnus.""" start="00:05:36.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great to have it all, to be able to do all these things""" start="00:05:38.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from within GNU Emacs. Let's see, some notes and feedback.""" start="00:05:42.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for all the kind words folks, appreciate it.""" start="00:05:47.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm glad that you found the presentation helpful""" start="00:05:52.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or somewhat useful. Let's see, new question.""" start="00:05:56.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and I will check IRC as well.""" start="00:05:59.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see, at my organization,""" start="00:06:02.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're forced to use OAuth with Outlook,""" start="00:06:06.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they've also blacklisted""" start="00:06:09.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all email clients except Thunderbird,""" start="00:06:11.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they don't support it,""" start="00:06:13.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only the Webmail or the Outlook app.""" start="00:06:15.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you know if this is something""" start="00:06:17.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be circumvented in Gnus? Let's see.""" start="00:06:18.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I'm pretty sure, at least with the recent Emacs versions,""" start="00:06:23.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus does support xOAuth as a backend.""" start="00:06:29.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think you should be able to do that""" start="00:06:37.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even with just the things, the machinery built into Emacs.""" start="00:06:41.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even so, I think there are external packages and programs.""" start="00:06:45.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of them I think comes from this Cyrus IMAP world""" start="00:06:53.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of things that implement like XOAuth.""" start="00:06:58.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you should be able to do that.""" start="00:07:02.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should be able to use that to get authenticated""" start="00:07:04.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to your organization's mail server.""" start="00:07:09.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I've never tried that myself.""" start="00:07:12.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In terms of like blacklisting all email clients,""" start="00:07:15.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know how they would do it outside of, you know,""" start="00:07:22.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this kind of authentication thingy.""" start="00:07:27.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If, you know, they check""" start="00:07:29.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the user agent header or something,""" start="00:07:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's pretty easy to customize and set.""" start="00:07:36.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Gnus, you can set, define a posting style""" start="00:07:42.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to set a custom user agent.""" start="00:07:50.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, that's as far as I know.""" start="00:07:55.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thunderbird is pretty nice too.""" start="00:07:58.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I reach out for it sometimes""" start="00:08:00.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm in a rush or can't,""" start="00:08:05.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't have the time to like set up Gnus with""" start="00:08:10.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like some new like IMAP server or something.""" start="00:08:15.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reach for it sometimes, but yeah,""" start="00:08:24.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I primarily use Gnus. I see.""" start="00:08:28.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the question says they tried it""" start="00:08:32.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with not much and it never worked.""" start="00:08:34.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even KML on Android didn't work.""" start="00:08:38.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Yeah, I'm not sure.""" start="00:08:39.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can like provide maybe more details""" start="00:08:45.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as to like what doesn't work""" start="00:08:47.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if you get any particular error messages""" start="00:08:57.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or like how they're trying to like prevent you from using it,""" start="00:09:02.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then maybe folks could have some ideas""" start="00:09:05.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of maybe how to get around that.""" start="00:09:08.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Let's see, I'm going to go""" start="00:09:11.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over and take a look at IRC. Yes, scoring is great.""" start="00:09:16.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In it for bankruptcy,""" start="00:09:29.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they have mail to use outlook from Gnus, right?""" start="00:09:33.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, there are various like solutions and workarounds.""" start="00:09:39.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see. How's the schedule looking?""" start="00:09:43.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the next talk""" start="00:09:47.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is gonna start pretty soon, if I'm not mistaken.""" start="00:09:48.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so I believe that's about all the time""" start="00:09:52.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we have on the stream for the Q&A,""" start="00:10:34.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but of course I'll hang around here on big blue button""" start="00:10:35.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and IRC for a while if folks would like to ask more questions.""" start="00:10:38.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also feel free to email me,""" start="00:10:43.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bandali@gnu.org""" start="00:10:43.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at kelar.org with any questions.""" start="00:10:44.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks again for the kind words folks, appreciate it.""" start="00:10:46.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I myself also wish""" start="00:10:49.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there were like some tutorials or something""" start="00:10:51.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I was getting started with Guinness,""" start="00:10:53.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we didn't have that. So, and I've been meaning""" start="00:10:54.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to like record a talk like this for years for EmacsConf,""" start="00:10:56.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but yeah, funnily enough, after like 10 years of,""" start="00:10:59.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at my 10th anniversary""" start="00:11:12.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of being involved with the conference,""" start="00:11:22.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I finally put together a talk of my own""" start="00:11:27.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to talk about configuring Gnus.""" start="00:11:29.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Oh, I see, I see.""" start="00:11:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the organization is doing some kind of check""" start="00:11:35.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during setting up of OAuth.""" start="00:11:41.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think how that works is""" start="00:11:43.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes these email clients,""" start="00:11:44.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think at least this is the case for Gmail or something,""" start="00:11:47.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where a project such as Thunderbird""" start="00:11:50.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needs to apply for some kind of token""" start="00:11:55.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be able to authenticate""" start="00:12:00.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connect its users to a mail server.""" start="00:12:02.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all I will say is""" start="00:12:05.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Thunderbird is free software""" start="00:12:10.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the sources are available""" start="00:12:12.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you might be able to find""" start="00:12:13.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the token that they use and yeah.""" start="00:12:15.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, so yeah, I'm just reading this comment here.""" start="00:12:19.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're very welcome again.""" start="00:13:13.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you find it useful in some way.""" start="00:13:16.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they say that they like the fact""" start="00:13:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I started with a clean setup and built from that.""" start="00:13:21.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reading and writing emails in Emacs""" start="00:13:25.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is definitely not straightforward.""" start="00:13:27.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I find it frustrating""" start="00:13:28.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there are so many pieces to put together""" start="00:13:30.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a bunch of documentation to read.""" start="00:13:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they admit that they find Gnus overwhelming.""" start="00:13:34.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I sympathize and empathize.""" start="00:13:39.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been in that very same situation.""" start="00:13:42.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, it's totally okay to feel like that.""" start="00:13:45.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, email itself is kind of complex,""" start="00:13:50.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even on the server side.""" start="00:13:55.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever looked or have been interested""" start="00:13:57.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in self-hosting your email,""" start="00:14:00.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know that there are so many moving parts and pieces.""" start="00:14:02.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I hope that this short video""" start="00:14:06.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be a useful first step""" start="00:14:14.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of getting you set up to""" start="00:14:18.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least be able to read your emails""" start="00:14:19.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and compose and send them within Emacs""" start="00:14:22.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can see that it's possible""" start="00:14:26.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get that positive feedback loop going""" start="00:14:30.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get the encouragement and then go from there.""" start="00:14:34.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, Gnus is most definitely very extensible.""" start="00:14:41.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It already has a lot of backends built into GNU Emacs,""" start="00:15:06.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are other ones""" start="00:15:10.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people have written externally""" start="00:15:12.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on various code hosting forges""" start="00:15:14.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can download and set up. Yeah, thank you all.""" start="00:15:18.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's nice to see that the talk""" start="00:15:27.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has kind of resonated with so many folks.""" start="00:15:30.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, yeah, it is encouragement""" start="00:15:33.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me to finally get around to starting""" start="00:15:41.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps either a tutorial series""" start="00:15:44.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or like a video series like this""" start="00:15:47.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concretely showing and walking through""" start="00:15:50.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to like set up and configure these different aspects.""" start="00:15:54.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There were so many other things that I wanted to show,""" start="00:15:57.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but didn't have the time""" start="00:16:00.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or couldn't squeeze it into""" start="00:16:04.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the 15, 20 minute format for the conference.""" start="00:16:06.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. I'm going to hang out here for a few more minutes.""" start="00:16:09.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another comment, they would have liked""" start="00:16:28.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see a quick demo of Gnus""" start="00:17:36.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while it is fully configured and tweaked.""" start="00:17:38.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's kind of a teaser.""" start="00:17:41.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can definitely do that sometime after the conference.""" start="00:17:43.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truth be told, I don't customize the looks of it heavily.""" start="00:17:52.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use the default layout""" start="00:17:59.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the summary and article buffers.""" start="00:18:01.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Gnus, you can even reconfigure that""" start="00:18:03.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to arrange these in your preferred location or layout.""" start="00:18:12.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really do any of that.""" start="00:18:15.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the most part, my setup is pretty simple.""" start="00:18:18.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can actually maybe show my init file here. Let's see.""" start="00:18:22.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so this is, I guess, part of my Gnus configuration.""" start="00:18:27.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I configure a couple of mail servers,""" start="00:18:58.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up these expiry targets""" start="00:19:01.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can hit capital E on a message""" start="00:19:04.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have it be archived. You can have it be immediate.""" start="00:19:07.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that for work messages""" start="00:19:12.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can use the default seven day,""" start="00:19:15.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where if a message is older than seven days,""" start="00:19:17.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like once it reaches that age""" start="00:19:21.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's been marked as expired and it'll be moved into,""" start="00:19:23.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like for example, this yearly archive directory,""" start="00:19:26.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like archive. For example, 2025.""" start="00:19:29.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can do like mail splitting,""" start="00:19:31.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically filing email.""" start="00:19:35.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The fancy splitting is the more powerful variant.""" start="00:19:38.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use like all kinds of regular expressions""" start="00:19:44.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and move email around depending on""" start="00:19:46.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what field or what header""" start="00:19:48.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""matches what regular expression.""" start="00:19:50.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What else? Gnus has things,""" start="00:19:52.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a facility like Gnus parameters""" start="00:20:00.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for configuring individual groups or directories.""" start="00:20:03.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like if you file all the mailing or the mails""" start="00:20:07.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a particular mailing list into a certain group.""" start="00:20:11.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for example, if they add""" start="00:20:15.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the mailing list""" start="00:20:20.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the, subject header.""" start="00:20:22.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They prefix the subject header with the name of the list.""" start="00:20:26.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set that here""" start="00:20:28.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Gnus will automatically""" start="00:20:30.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hide that for you. So, let's see.""" start="00:20:32.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a news agent,""" start="00:20:39.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I won't even get into because it's a rabbit hole.""" start="00:20:54.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty cool. Definitely check it out.""" start="00:20:58.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can define what MIME parts should be buttonized""" start="00:21:01.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can like easily toggle them""" start="00:21:07.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when displaying the article.""" start="00:21:09.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can customize the list""" start="00:21:11.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the headers that are displayed and the order of them.""" start="00:21:14.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I showed in the sample init file that I provided.""" start="00:21:17.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Games can integrate with Dired.""" start="00:21:22.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set like custom signatures like here.""" start="00:21:25.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I might define something""" start="00:21:35.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I use it later in the posting,""" start="00:21:37.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the posting, the news posting styles variable.""" start="00:21:44.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I set a signature to that. Yeah.""" start="00:21:48.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can write custom like functions to move email around.""" start="00:21:52.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have this like Gnus chunk article function""" start="00:22:09.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I bind to VS,""" start="00:22:16.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so V is the prefix came up that I defined,""" start="00:22:19.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then S, so you can do things like that.""" start="00:22:22.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can customize the format of the topic lines,""" start="00:22:29.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if I actually launch Gnus with my own configuration,""" start="00:22:34.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is how it might look like, so.""" start="00:22:39.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can define archive decoders""" start="00:22:43.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to let you like automatically decode""" start="00:22:58.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside the Gnus article buffer,""" start="00:23:02.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to extract certain archive formats.""" start="00:23:04.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like for example, I defined this one for Gzip.""" start="00:23:10.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set like discouraged alternatives""" start="00:23:13.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to like, for example, hide HTML email by default,""" start="00:23:18.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if there is a plain text version. I do that.""" start="00:23:22.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GNU says machinery around like encrypting emails.""" start="00:23:26.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a bunch of customizations.""" start="00:23:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can configure and have Dynos behave a certain way.""" start="00:23:36.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, when replying to signed or encrypted emails.""" start="00:23:44.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah. Anyway. That's about it.""" start="00:23:48.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, thanks again for hanging out with me, folks.""" start="00:24:01.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I appreciate all the kind words.""" start="00:24:04.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comments and yeah, I'm also""" start="00:24:08.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking forward to trying and putting together""" start="00:24:13.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more videos or articles about Gnus.""" start="00:24:17.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely one about configuring Dovecot for local mail.""" start="00:24:21.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, take it from there. Thanks again.""" start="00:24:28.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:24:31.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [bandali@gnu.org](mailto:bandali@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gnus%3A%20Reading%20and%20writing%20emails%20in%20GNU%20Emacs%20with%20Gnus) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/gnus-before.md b/2025/info/gnus-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fd780533 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gnus-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 22-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-gnus"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-gnus" data=""" +00:02.620 Introduction +01:25.240 Demo +02:49.960 Don't panic +03:58.560 Configuring servers +05:46.240 .authinfo +06:26.600 Configuration +08:25.720 Starting Gnus +09:40.080 Always showing groups +10:19.900 Reading messages +11:30.120 Debugging IMAP +12:55.160 Topics +14:25.560 Customizing message display +15:24.320 Sending emails +17:26.660 Plans +19:27.960 Wrapping up +20:12.760 nnimap + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 21:37 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.opus">Download --main.opus (19MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.webm">Download --main.webm (60MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--split.vtt">Download --split.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/0Pu8oqdsSig">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-gnus"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 27:00 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (62MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (58MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/gnus-nav.md b/2025/info/gnus-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bc14240a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gnus-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gmail">org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/latex">LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/graphics-after.md b/2025/info/graphics-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..526fa59d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/graphics-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="graphics-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""[ This video has no narration. ]""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""space box intro (elisp model matrix pipeline c dynamic module)""" start="00:00:05.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""space box intro (elisp model matrix pipeline c dynamic module)""" start="00:00:05.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""parallel (sdl/linux multicore pthreads)""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""parallel (sdl/linux multicore pthreads)""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""bad snake (oop eieio)""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""bad snake (oop eieio)""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""solar (ecs)""" start="00:03:30.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""solar (ecs)""" start="00:03:30.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""60 fps 1 (opengl cpu)""" start="00:04:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""60 fps 1 (opengl cpu)""" start="00:04:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""earth (grid ascii)""" start="00:05:36.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""earth (grid ascii)""" start="00:05:36.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""studio (image unicode)""" start="00:06:02.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""studio (image unicode)""" start="00:06:02.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""60 fps 2 (gpu)""" start="00:09:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""60 fps 2 (gpu)""" start="00:09:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""rgb triangle (glsl vertex/fragment shaders)""" start="00:11:57.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""rgb triangle (glsl vertex/fragment shaders)""" start="00:11:57.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""ansi cube (software functional shader)""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""ansi cube (software functional shader)""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""horizon (gradient)""" start="00:13:33.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""horizon (gradient)""" start="00:13:33.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""shell color table (zsh)""" start="00:15:16.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""shell color table (zsh)""" start="00:15:16.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""luki-lisp (macros)""" start="00:16:13.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""luki-lisp (macros)""" start="00:16:13.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""incal & rave dave outro (debug text triangles)""" start="00:18:25.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""incal & rave dave outro (debug text triangles)""" start="00:18:25.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [incal@dataswamp.org](mailto:incal@dataswamp.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20graphics%3A%20Modern%20Emacs%2FElisp%20hardware%2Fsoftware%20accelerated%20graphics) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/graphics-before.md b/2025/info/graphics-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..52befd06 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/graphics-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 23-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-graphics> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-graphics> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-graphics"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-graphics" data=""" +00:05.000 space box intro (elisp model matrix pipeline c dynamic module) +01:59.000 parallel (sdl/linux multicore pthreads) +02:04.000 bad snake (oop eieio) +03:30.000 solar (ecs) +04:32.000 60 fps 1 (opengl cpu) +05:36.000 earth (grid ascii) +06:02.000 studio (image unicode) +09:32.000 60 fps 2 (gpu) +11:57.000 rgb triangle (glsl vertex/fragment shaders) +13:09.000 ansi cube (software functional shader) +13:33.000 horizon (gradient) +15:16.000 shell color table (zsh) +16:13.000 luki-lisp (macros) +18:25.000 incal & rave dave outro (debug text triangles) + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 22:15 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-graphics">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.opus">Download --main.opus (18MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.webm">Download --main.webm (56MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/RVoGcLNalJw">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/graphics-nav.md b/2025/info/graphics-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..51e5bd7b --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/graphics-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/commonlisp">Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks / open session</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/greader-after.md b/2025/info/greader-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ae172158 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/greader-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="greader-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.460" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Yuval Langer.""" start="00:00:01.460" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some may know me as cow_2001 on IRC.""" start="00:00:03.786" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to tell you about greader mode,""" start="00:00:09.480" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a versatile text-to-speech package""" start="00:00:12.120" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written by Michelangelo Rodriguez.""" start="00:00:14.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes you want to read a bunch""" start="00:00:18.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and cannot be bothered, right?""" start="00:00:20.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'd rather plop on your chair""" start="00:00:23.040" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let the words come to you.""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do it using greader Mode.""" start="00:00:27.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is greader mode?""" start="00:00:31.158" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What is greader mode?""" start="00:00:31.158" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Greader mode is a text-to-speech minor mode""" start="00:00:33.120" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with which you can read any buffer using the point.""" start="00:00:36.320" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You move your point""" start="00:00:40.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right before the text you want to read""" start="00:00:41.603" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run greader-read command.""" start="00:00:43.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can then use the left and right arrow keys""" start="00:00:47.640" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the previous sentence or the next sentence.""" start="00:00:50.840" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Installing Greader""" start="00:00:56.600" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Installing GReader:""" start="00:00:56.600" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Greader is available on the GNU Emacs app store""" start="00:00:59.144" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its copyright assigned to""" start="00:01:05.440" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Free Software Foundation.""" start="00:01:07.286" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To install Greader,""" start="00:01:10.960" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can run M-x list-packages RET.""" start="00:01:12.858" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look it up with C-s greader,""" start="00:01:19.280" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""press i to mark it for installation,""" start="00:01:23.100" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then press x to execute the installation.""" start="00:01:26.680" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Basic usage""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Basic usage:""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can now open a text file and start reading.""" start="00:01:33.212" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's open The Willows by Algernon Blackwood.""" start="00:01:37.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've never read the story,""" start="00:01:42.600" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but HP Lovecraft said it was the best horror story""" start="00:01:44.480" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""he had ever read, so it is in my reading list.""" start="00:01:48.280" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now load greader using M-x greader-mode.""" start="00:01:52.960" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To start reading, press C-r SPC.""" start="00:02:01.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Project Gutenberg ebook of The willows.""" start="00:02:08.140" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-read command.""" start="00:02:10.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To stop, press the SPC key.""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-stop command.""" start="00:02:16.800" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Navigation""" start="00:02:20.820" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Navigation:""" start="00:02:20.820" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can navigate like you normally do,""" start="00:02:22.360" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but using the left or right arrow keys""" start="00:02:24.680" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will move the point between sentences""" start="00:02:27.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of characters.""" start="00:02:30.200" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So... This ebook is...""" start="00:02:33.088" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You may copy it, give it away,""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or reuse it if you are not.""" start="00:02:38.096" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's move to the start of the story.""" start="00:02:41.480" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""After leaving Vienna,""" start="00:02:57.040" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and long before you come to Budapest,""" start="00:02:58.089" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Danube enters a region""" start="00:02:59.840" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of singular loneliness and desolation,""" start="00:03:00.920" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where its waters spread away on all sides,""" start="00:03:02.920" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of a main channel,""" start="00:03:04.880" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the country becomes a swamp for miles upon miles,""" start="00:03:06.200" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""covered by a vast sea of low willow bushes."""" start="00:03:08.800" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading rate""" start="00:03:12.380" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Reading rate: this reading rate is rather slow.""" start="00:03:12.380" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's pick up the pace using the plus key.""" start="00:03:15.840" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-inc-rate command.""" start="00:03:19.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You must do that while greader is reading.""" start="00:03:23.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it is too fast.""" start="00:03:37.885" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can slow down using the - key.""" start="00:03:39.780" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-dec-rate command.""" start="00:03:44.680" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""In high flood this great acreage""" start="00:03:54.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sand, shingle-beds, and willow-grown islands""" start="00:03:59.385" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is almost topped by the water,""" start="00:04:01.240" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in normal seasons the bushes""" start="00:04:02.440" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bend and rustle in the free winds,""" start="00:04:03.610" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""showing their silver leaves to the sunshine""" start="00:04:04.920" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an ever-moving plain of bewildering beauty."""" start="00:04:06.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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Are people here?""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me read the first question to you since I'm here.""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question here is,""" start="00:00:15.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm excited to know opinion and current state""" start="00:00:17.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of using NCP and AI for PKMs and PIEs.""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since they do carry a lot of burden out of us, it means a lot of process.""" start="00:00:23.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does our pipeline stand with the coming days?""" start="00:00:28.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the question.""" start="00:00:33.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AI is obviously on everybody's mind.""" start="00:00:35.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We haven't done a lot of integration""" start="00:00:40.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with any of the popular AI engines,""" start="00:00:43.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think as you'll see through this Q&A session,""" start="00:00:47.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole's function is really to interlink""" start="00:00:50.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your information everywhere throughout Emacs.""" start="00:00:54.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so, whether you're using a chatbot""" start="00:00:57.960" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a specific buffer,""" start="00:01:02.280" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can use hyperbole implicit links, implicit buttons""" start="00:01:04.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to activate different actions there as well.""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So sometimes it takes a bit of customization,""" start="00:01:17.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a small amount of two to seven lines of code to do that.""" start="00:01:20.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As we get to working with more of these engines,""" start="00:01:26.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll build that into the core part of Hyperbole.""" start="00:01:30.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But right now, that's left as an extension""" start="00:01:34.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for users who are heavily using MCP""" start="00:01:40.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or other protocols right now.""" start="00:01:43.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have, for example, integrated""" start="00:01:45.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with LSPs, you know, for coding and have that interface through xref""" start="00:01:50.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and basically using the single key, the action key,""" start="00:01:57.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is made a return.""" start="00:02:01.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can jump around to any of your source definitions""" start="00:02:02.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from any reference in almost any language""" start="00:02:08.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that anybody uses today. So you can extrapolate from that""" start="00:02:11.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how that might work with AI as well.""" start="00:02:14.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think you'll see later when we talk about HiWiki""" start="00:02:17.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're now enabling just just wiki words""" start="00:02:23.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be buttons in hyperbole.""" start="00:02:26.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So those could be part of your chat with an AI""" start="00:02:30.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you just click on it and you jump right to all your references""" start="00:02:34.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""associated with that terminology. Thanks for the question.""" start="00:02:37.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Should I just go through the second question?""" start="00:02:49.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought people would be glad.""" start="00:02:51.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a normal user who codes and takes notes,""" start="00:02:54.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really want to deep dive and learn Hyperbole,""" start="00:02:56.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but always end up winding back up to Embark""" start="00:02:58.760" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Org Mode being the better system.""" start="00:03:02.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For me, Hyperbole looks over engineering""" start="00:03:04.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or over the peer system,""" start="00:03:06.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which other individual packages do well.""" start="00:03:08.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And outside DMAC, there's no system supporting Hyperbole or any usability.""" start="00:03:10.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think you've cited answering""" start="00:03:15.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that already, so go ahead.""" start="00:03:17.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, hyperbole is large, but there's reasons behind that.""" start="00:03:21.160" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're just trying to link all your information in Emacs.""" start="00:03:26.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think you can see my screen here in Emacs.""" start="00:03:30.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, you can take any Lisp expression,""" start="00:03:38.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even a variable like here we have in hyperbole""" start="00:03:45.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbdur variable""" start="00:03:49.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I just hit the action key made a return""" start="00:03:50.960" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in my mini buffer I see the value of that variable,""" start="00:03:53.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I could just as well take any other expression""" start="00:03:57.760" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and take the outer parens off""" start="00:04:01.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and change them to angle brackets""" start="00:04:03.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now that's a live Hyper button""" start="00:04:05.680" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could be in a comment in a programming buffer in this case.""" start="00:04:08.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's in K outliner buffer,""" start="00:04:12.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a an auto-numbered outliner part of hyperbole.""" start="00:04:15.680" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just try this and say made a return.""" start="00:04:19.160" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I pressed and it ran occur and found all the occurrences of buttons.""" start="00:04:23.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And similarly in here, I could just jump and go""" start="00:04:28.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any of these lines directly""" start="00:04:31.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by hitting made a return in that buffer as well.""" start="00:04:35.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all your text, all your sort""" start="00:04:37.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what we call implicit links become live and hyperbole.""" start="00:04:39.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you didn't have to learn much.""" start="00:04:44.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just learn, you know, if you know a little Lisp""" start="00:04:46.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" 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very very easy to use,""" start="00:09:00.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know something that's a little bit more difficult to do""" start="00:09:05.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think in org without it and So that's an explicit button""" start="00:09:08.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I had to actually say I want to create this button,""" start="00:09:16.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I had to specify what type it is.""" start="00:09:19.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I show you the information there again,""" start="00:09:21.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you see it has a little different type""" start="00:09:23.760" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called a keyboard key, which runs just the 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Let me go back to my homepage.""" start="00:14:18.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just stored that here. 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it's built right into the menus.""" start="00:16:13.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So but even following that we've the latest addition to hyperbole is Something""" start="00:16:16.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is the first time""" start="00:16:23.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're really showing it publicly is the high wiki""" start="00:16:25.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is a new subsystem as we call it""" start="00:16:29.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is I think the best wiki capability in Emacs now what it does is it automatically highlights""" start="00:16:33.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me turn it on I have to turn on high wiki mode""" start="00:16:44.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] 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video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's not even a delimiter.""" start="00:18:11.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have automatic implicit hyper buttons""" start="00:18:13.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being added in any buffer.""" start="00:18:17.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Could be a comment in a programming buffer with all you""" start="00:18:20.680" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have to add anything.""" start="00:18:23.960" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you how to create a new page in a minute.""" start="00:18:26.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you see I can link to any org section without any IDs.""" start="00:18:32.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""There's a special format like this, HiWiki word""" start="00:20:03.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can make an org link""" start="00:20:09.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I was in org mode, just like that.""" start="00:20:11.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's all sorts of compatibility,""" start="00:20:13.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically it's just words,""" start="00:20:16.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and HiWiki takes care of the rest for you.""" start="00:20:18.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a directory where all these, it's HiWiki,""" start="00:20:21.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hi wiki tilde slash""" start="00:20:26.680" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Hyperbole does the right thing""" start="00:24:44.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in all these different contexts,""" start="00:24:46.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including following cross-references in code.""" start="00:24:48.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would say that's your answer.""" start="00:24:52.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most things that people are talking about,""" start="00:24:56.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we've already probably integrated with Hyperbole""" start="00:24:58.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or with a little bit of custom coding.""" start="00:25:02.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do it. 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Can anybody say anything here?""" start="00:25:31.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bob. I can say something. Hey, Matt. Hi. Yeah.""" start="00:25:40.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you want to bring up a topic.""" start="00:25:52.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I... Yes. Sorry, Bob.""" start="00:25:55.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I saw a question here on IOC. 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Let me go back to that. This K outline here.""" start="00:28:27.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we covered HiWiki.""" start="00:28:36.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're in the, I'll just show you some things""" start="00:28:38.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we wanted to highlight""" start="00:28:43.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if people didn't have specific questions.""" start="00:28:44.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But feel free to jump in anytime""" start="00:28:46.280" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to ask something.""" start="00:28:48.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what we're looking at here is a K Outliner document.""" start="00:28:51.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's, you know, hyperbole is pretty well documented.""" start="00:28:57.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a large manual. 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I have to get this straight.""" start="00:44:53.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's not letting me type the buttons.""" start="00:44:55.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if I can turn off the key casting.""" start="00:45:02.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, maybe that'll help. just gonna exit out of here.""" start="00:45:15.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does anybody have any questions they want to cover?""" start="00:45:23.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was just gonna show you yeah a little more on type definitions""" start="00:45:33.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if there was any interest OK, there's nobody piping up.""" start="00:45:39.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if there's any other questions.""" start="00:45:53.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bob. I haven't seen any more questions.""" start="00:45:57.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so maybe it's you, me, and someone called Max is here in the channel.""" start="00:46:04.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK. Okay, so if Max doesn't have any questions""" start="00:46:10.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there aren't other people, we can just end it there.""" start="00:46:19.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to have an audience of zero or talk to that.""" start="00:46:24.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, but I think that was a good overview, Max, right?""" start="00:46:34.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, definitely covered a lot in a short time.""" start="00:46:37.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And hopefully, you know, just try it out.""" start="00:46:45.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the top here, it shows you how to install it.""" start="00:46:48.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty simple, basic package and installation.""" start="00:46:52.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're happy to help anybody get started if they need to.""" start="00:46:56.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thanks, everyone.""" start="00:47:02.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll answer any further questions on the Etherpad after this.""" start="00:47:05.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/hyperboleqa-nav.md b/2025/info/hyperboleqa-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2e396846 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/hyperboleqa-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/zettelkasten">Zettelkasten for regular Emacs hackers</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gardening">Gardening in Emacs: A Windows user's tale of tending, tweaking, and triumph</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/juicemacs-after.md b/2025/info/juicemacs-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ca649a57 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/juicemacs-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,422 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="juicemacs-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hello! This is Kana!""" start="00:00:01.200" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:02.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""<b>J</b>ust-<b>I</b>n-<b>T</b>ime compilation, or JIT,""" start="00:00:04.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:00:06.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on my work-in-progress Emacs clone, Juicemacs.""" start="00:00:07.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs aims to explore a few things""" start="00:00:11.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've been wondering about for a while.""" start="00:00:13.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For exmaple, what if we had better or even""" start="00:00:15.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transparent concurrency in ELisp?""" start="00:00:18.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or, can we have a concurrent GUI?""" start="00:00:21.323" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One that does not block, or is blocked by Lisp code?""" start="00:00:23.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally what can JIT compilation do for ELisp?""" start="00:00:26.883" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Will it provide better performance?""" start="00:00:31.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, a main problem with explorations""" start="00:00:34.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Emacs clones is that,""" start="00:00:37.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is a whole universe.""" start="00:00:38.723" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that means, to make these explorations""" start="00:00:40.963" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaningful for Emacs users,""" start="00:00:43.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to cover a lot of Emacs features,""" start="00:00:45.483" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before we can ever begin.""" start="00:00:47.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, one of the features of Emacs is that,""" start="00:00:50.643" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it supports a lot of encodings.""" start="00:00:54.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at this string: it can be encoded""" start="00:00:56.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in both Unicode and Shift-JIS, a Japanese encoding system.""" start="00:00:59.268" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But currently, Unicode does not have""" start="00:01:03.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an official mapping for this "ki" (﨑) character.""" start="00:01:07.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when we map from Shift-JIS to Unicode,""" start="00:01:09.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in most programming languages,""" start="00:01:12.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you end up with something like this:""" start="00:01:14.523" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a replacement character.""" start="00:01:16.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in Emacs, it actually extends""" start="00:01:19.243" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Unicode range by threefold,""" start="00:01:22.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and uses the extra range to losslessly""" start="00:01:23.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""support characters like this.""" start="00:01:26.834" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you want to support this feature,""" start="00:01:29.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that basically rules out all string""" start="00:01:32.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""libraries with Unicode assumptions.""" start="00:01:34.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For another, you need to support""" start="00:01:37.843" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the regular expressions in Emacs,""" start="00:01:40.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are, really irregular.""" start="00:01:41.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, it supports asserting""" start="00:01:45.123" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the user cursor position.""" start="00:01:46.901" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it also uses some character tables,""" start="00:01:49.503" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be modified from Lisp code,""" start="00:01:52.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to determine to case mappings.""" start="00:01:53.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And all that makes it really hard, or even""" start="00:01:56.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""impossible to use any existing regexp libraries.""" start="00:01:59.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, you need a functional garbage collector.""" start="00:02:05.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need threading primitives, because""" start="00:02:07.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs has already had some threading support.""" start="00:02:09.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you might want the performance of your clone""" start="00:02:12.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to match Emacs, even with its native compilation enabled.""" start="00:02:14.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not to mention you also need a GUI for an editor.""" start="00:02:19.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so on.""" start="00:02:21.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Juicemacs, building on Java and""" start="00:02:23.643" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a compiler framework called Truffle,""" start="00:02:25.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps in getting better performance;""" start="00:02:27.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by choosing a language with a good GC,""" start="00:02:30.603" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can actually focus more on the challenges above.""" start="00:02:32.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, Juicemacs has implemented three out of,""" start="00:02:38.163" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least four of the interpreters in Emacs.""" start="00:02:41.434" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One for lisp code, one for bytecode,""" start="00:02:44.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one for regular expressions,""" start="00:02:46.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of them JIT-capable.""" start="00:02:48.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other than these, Emacs also has around""" start="00:02:51.003" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two thousand built-in functions in C code.""" start="00:02:53.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Juicemacs has around""" start="00:02:56.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""four hundred of them implemented.""" start="00:02:57.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not that many, but it is surprisingly enough""" start="00:02:59.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to bootstrap Emacs and run""" start="00:03:03.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the portable dumper, or pdump, in short.""" start="00:03:05.201" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's have a try.""" start="00:03:08.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""""" start="00:03:11.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the binary produced by Java native image.""" start="00:03:11.803" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's loading all the files""" start="00:03:15.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needed for bootstrapping.""" start="00:03:17.168" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it dumps the memory to a file to""" start="00:03:18.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be loaded later, giving us fast startup.""" start="00:03:22.234" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As we can see here, it throws some frame errors""" start="00:03:25.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Juicemacs doesn't have an editor UI""" start="00:03:28.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or functional frames yet.""" start="00:03:31.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But otherwise, it can already run""" start="00:03:33.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite some lisp code.""" start="00:03:35.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, this code uses the benchmark library""" start="00:03:36.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to measure the performance of this Fibonacci function.""" start="00:03:40.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can see here, the JIT engine is""" start="00:03:44.503" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""already kicking in and makes the execution 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Yes, there are a bunch of test failures,""" start="00:04:01.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means we are not that compatible""" start="00:04:05.923" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emacs and need more work.""" start="00:04:07.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the whole testing procedure runs fine,""" start="00:04:09.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it has proper stack traces,""" start="00:04:12.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is quite useful for debugging Juicemacs.""" start="00:04:14.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So with that, a rather functional JIT runtime,""" start="00:04:17.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's now try look into today's topic, JIT compilation for ELisp.""" start="00:04:21.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you probably know that Emacs has supported""" start="00:04:26.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""native-compilation, or nativecomp in short, for some time now.""" start="00:04:28.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It mainly uses GCC to compile Lisp code""" start="00:04:32.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into native code, ahead of time.""" start="00:04:35.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And during runtime, Emacs loads those compiled files,""" start="00:04:37.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gets the performance of native code.""" start="00:04:41.434" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, for example, for installed packages,""" start="00:04:44.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might want to compile them when we""" start="00:04:47.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually use them instead of ahead of time.""" start="00:04:49.060" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Emacs supports this through""" start="00:04:51.923" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this <i>native-comp-jit-compilation</i> flag.""" start="00:04:53.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What it does is, during runtime, Emacs sends""" start="00:04:55.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""loaded files to external Emacs worker processes,""" start="00:04:59.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will then compile those files asynchronously.""" start="00:05:03.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when the compilation is done,""" start="00:05:07.003" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the current Emacs session will load the compiled code back""" start="00:05:09.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and improves its performance, on the fly.""" start="00:05:11.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you look at this procedure, however, it is,""" start="00:05:16.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ahead-of-time compilation, done at runtime.""" start="00:05:18.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is what current Emacs calls JIT compilation.""" start="00:05:21.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you look at some other JIT engines,""" start="00:05:25.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll see much more complex architectures.""" start="00:05:27.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, take luaJIT for an example,""" start="00:05:31.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in addition to this red line here,""" start="00:05:34.234" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which leads us from an interpreted state""" start="00:05:36.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a compiled native state,""" start="00:05:38.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is also what Emacs does,""" start="00:05:40.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LuaJIT also supports going from""" start="00:05:42.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a compiled state back to its interpreter.""" start="00:05:44.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this process is called "deoptimization".""" start="00:05:47.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In contrast to its name, deoptimization here actually""" start="00:05:51.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enables a huge category of JIT optimizations.""" start="00:05:55.301" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are called speculation.""" start="00:05:58.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, with speculation, the compiler""" start="00:06:01.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can use runtime statistics to speculate,""" start="00:06:04.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make bolder assumptions in the compiled code.""" start="00:06:07.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when the assumptions are invalidated,""" start="00:06:11.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the runtime deoptimizes the code, updates statistics,""" start="00:06:14.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then recompile the code based on new assumptions,""" start="00:06:18.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that will make the code more performant.""" start="00:06:21.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at an example.""" start="00:06:24.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, here is a really simple function,""" start="00:06:28.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that adds one to the input number.""" start="00:06:30.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in Emacs, it is not that simple,""" start="00:06:33.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Emacs has three categories of numbers,""" start="00:06:36.168" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is, fix numbers, or machine-word-sized integers,""" start="00:06:38.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""floating numbers, and big integers.""" start="00:06:42.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when we compile this, we need""" start="00:06:45.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to handle all three cases.""" start="00:06:47.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if we analyze the code produced by Emacs,""" start="00:06:49.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as is shown by this gray graph here,""" start="00:06:52.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can see that it has, two paths:""" start="00:06:54.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One fast path, that does fast fix number addition;""" start="00:06:58.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one for slow paths, that calls out""" start="00:07:01.503" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to an external plus-one function,""" start="00:07:03.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to handle floating number and big integers.""" start="00:07:06.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, if we pass integers into this function,""" start="00:07:09.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's pretty fast because it's on the fast path.""" start="00:07:13.168" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, if we pass in a floating number,""" start="00:07:16.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it has to go through the slow path,""" start="00:07:19.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing an extra function call, which is slow.""" start="00:07:21.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What speculation might help here is that,""" start="00:07:25.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can have flexible fast paths.""" start="00:07:28.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we pass a floating number into this function,""" start="00:07:31.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which currently has only fixnumbers on the fast path,""" start="00:07:34.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it also has to go through the slow path.""" start="00:07:37.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the difference is that, a speculative runtime can""" start="00:07:40.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deoptimize and recompile the code to adapt to this.""" start="00:07:44.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when it recompiles, it might add""" start="00:07:47.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""floating number onto the fast path,""" start="00:07:50.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now floating number operations are also fast.""" start="00:07:52.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this kind of speculation is why""" start="00:07:55.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speculative runtime can be really fast.""" start="00:07:58.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's take a look at some benchmarks.""" start="00:08:03.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're obtained with the <i>elisp-benchmarks</i> library on ELPA.""" start="00:08:05.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The blue line here is for nativecomp,""" start="00:08:09.523" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these blue areas mean that nativecomp is slower.""" start="00:08:12.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, likewise, green areas mean that""" start="00:08:16.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs is slower.""" start="00:08:19.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At a glance, the two (or four)""" start="00:08:20.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually seems somehow on par, to me.""" start="00:08:22.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, let's take a closer look at some of them.""" start="00:08:25.243" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, the first few benchmarks are the classic,""" start="00:08:30.483" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fibonacci benchmarks.""" start="00:08:32.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We know that, the series is formed by""" start="00:08:34.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding the previous two numbers in the series.""" start="00:08:36.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And looking at this expression here,""" start="00:08:39.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fibonacci benchmarks are quite intensive""" start="00:08:41.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in number additions, subtractions,""" start="00:08:44.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and function calls, if you use recursions.""" start="00:08:46.801" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is exactly why""" start="00:08:49.203" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fibonacci series is a good benchmark.""" start="00:08:51.001" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And looking at the results here... wow.""" start="00:08:54.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs nativecomp executes instantaneously.""" start="00:08:57.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a total defeat for Juicemacs, seemingly.""" start="00:08:59.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, if you're into benchmarks, you know something is wrong here:""" start="00:09:04.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are comparing the different things.""" start="00:09:08.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's look under the hood""" start="00:09:11.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and disassemble the function""" start="00:09:14.201" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this convenient Emacs command""" start="00:09:15.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called <i>disassemble</i>...""" start="00:09:17.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And these two lines of code is what we got.""" start="00:09:19.163" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, we already can see""" start="00:09:23.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's going on here:""" start="00:09:24.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GCC sees Fibonacci is a pure function,""" start="00:09:26.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it returns the same value""" start="00:09:30.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the same arguments,""" start="00:09:31.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so GCC chooses to do the computation""" start="00:09:33.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at compile time""" start="00:09:35.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and inserts the final number directly""" start="00:09:36.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the compiled code.""" start="00:09:39.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is actually great!""" start="00:09:41.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because it shows that nativecomp""" start="00:09:43.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knows about pure functions,""" start="00:09:45.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can do all kinds of things""" start="00:09:47.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like removing or constant-folding them.""" start="00:09:48.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Juicemacs just does not do that.""" start="00:09:51.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, we are also concerned about""" start="00:09:54.503" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the things we mentioned earlier:""" start="00:09:57.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the performance of number additions,""" start="00:09:59.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or function calls.""" start="00:10:00.901" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, in order to let the benchmarks""" start="00:10:03.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show some extra things,""" start="00:10:05.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to modify it a bit...""" start="00:10:06.963" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by simply making things non-constant.""" start="00:10:08.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With that, Emacs gets much slower now.""" start="00:10:11.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, let's look what's""" start="00:10:15.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happening behind these numbers.""" start="00:10:17.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Similarly, with the <i>disassemble</i> command,""" start="00:10:21.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can look into the assembly.""" start="00:10:23.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, we can already see""" start="00:10:25.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's happening here.""" start="00:10:28.020" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Juicemacs, due to its speculation nature,""" start="00:10:29.403" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supports fast paths for all three kind of numbers.""" start="00:10:32.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, currently, Emacs nativecomp""" start="00:10:35.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does not have any fast path""" start="00:10:39.234" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the operations here like additions,""" start="00:10:41.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or subtractions, or comparisons,""" start="00:10:43.434" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is exactly what""" start="00:10:45.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fibonacci benchmarks are measuring.""" start="00:10:48.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, at this time, has to call some generic,""" start="00:10:51.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""external functions for them, and this is slow.""" start="00:10:53.801" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But is nativecomp really that slow?""" start="00:11:00.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I also ran the same benchmark""" start="00:11:03.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Common Lisp, with SBCL.""" start="00:11:04.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And nativecomp is already fast,""" start="00:11:07.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compared to untyped SBCL.""" start="00:11:09.001" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's because SBCL also emits call instructions""" start="00:11:11.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when it comes to no type info.""" start="00:11:15.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, once we declare the types,""" start="00:11:18.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SBCL is able to compile a fast path for fix numbers,""" start="00:11:21.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes its performance on par""" start="00:11:25.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with speculative JIT engines (that is, Juicemacs),""" start="00:11:27.468" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because, now both of us are now on fast paths.""" start="00:11:30.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Additionally, if we are bold enough""" start="00:11:36.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to pass this safety zero flag to SBCL,""" start="00:11:38.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will remove all the slow paths""" start="00:11:41.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and type checks,""" start="00:11:43.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its performance is close""" start="00:11:45.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to what you get with C.""" start="00:11:46.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, probably we don't want safety zero""" start="00:11:48.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the time.""" start="00:11:51.300" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But even then, if nativecomp were to""" start="00:11:52.163" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get fast paths for more constructs,""" start="00:11:55.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there certainly is quite""" start="00:11:57.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some room for performance improvement.""" start="00:11:59.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at some more benchmarks.""" start="00:12:04.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, for this inclist,""" start="00:12:06.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or increment-list, benchmark,""" start="00:12:08.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs is really slow here. Partly,""" start="00:12:11.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it comes from the cost of Java boxing integers.""" start="00:12:14.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, for Emacs nativecomp,""" start="00:12:17.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for this particular benchmark,""" start="00:12:20.301" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it actually has fast paths""" start="00:12:22.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all of the operations.""" start="00:12:23.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's why it can be so fast,""" start="00:12:25.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that also proves the nativecomp""" start="00:12:27.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a lot potential for improvement.""" start="00:12:30.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is another benchmark here""" start="00:12:33.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that use advices.""" start="00:12:35.834" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs Lisp supports using""" start="00:12:38.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""advices to override functions""" start="00:12:40.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by wrapping the original function, and an advice""" start="00:12:42.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""function, two of them, inside a glue function.""" start="00:12:44.834" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in this benchmark, we advice the Fibonacci function""" start="00:12:47.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to cache the first ten entries to speed up computation,""" start="00:12:51.468" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as can be seen in the speed-up in the Juicemacs results.""" start="00:12:54.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, it seems that nativecomp does not yet""" start="00:13:00.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compile glue functions, and that makes advices slower.""" start="00:13:02.901" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With these benchmarks, let's discuss this big question:""" start="00:13:08.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Should GNU Emacs adopt speculative JIT compilation?""" start="00:13:12.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, the hidden question is actually,""" start="00:13:16.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it worth it?""" start="00:13:18.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, my personal answer is, maybe not.""" start="00:13:21.323" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first reason is that, slow paths, like, floating numbers,""" start="00:13:24.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are actually not that frequent in Emacs.""" start="00:13:28.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And optimizing for fast paths like fix numbers""" start="00:13:31.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can already get us very good performance already.""" start="00:13:34.101" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the second or main reason is that,""" start="00:13:38.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speculative JIT is very hard.""" start="00:13:40.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LuaJIT, for example, took a genius to build.""" start="00:13:43.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even with the help of GCC, we need to hand-write""" start="00:13:46.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all those fast path or slow path or switching logic.""" start="00:13:50.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need to find a way to deoptimize, which requires""" start="00:13:54.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mapping machine registers back to interpreter stack.""" start="00:13:58.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, speculation needs runtime info,""" start="00:14:01.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which also costs us extra memory.""" start="00:14:04.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moreover, as is shown by some benchmarks above,""" start="00:14:07.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's some low-hanging fruits in nativecomp that""" start="00:14:10.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might get us better performance with relatively lower effort.""" start="00:14:13.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Compared to this, a JIT engine is a huge, huge undertaking.""" start="00:14:17.443" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, for Juicemacs, the JIT engine comes a lot cheaper,""" start="00:14:22.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because, we are cheating by building on""" start="00:14:26.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an existing compiler framework called Truffle.""" start="00:14:29.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truffle is a meta-compiler framework,""" start="00:14:33.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means that it lets you write""" start="00:14:35.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an interpreter, add required annotations,""" start="00:14:37.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will automatically turn the""" start="00:14:40.203" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreter into a JIT runtime.""" start="00:14:42.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, here is a typical bytecode interpreter.""" start="00:14:45.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After you add the required annotations,""" start="00:14:49.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truffle will know that,""" start="00:14:51.234" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the bytecode here is constant, and it should""" start="00:14:52.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unroll this loop here, to inline all those bytecode.""" start="00:14:55.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, when Truffle""" start="00:14:59.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compiles the code, it knows that:""" start="00:15:00.468" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the first loop here does: x plus one,""" start="00:15:02.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the second does: return.""" start="00:15:05.234" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it will compile all that into,""" start="00:15:07.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""return x plus 1,""" start="00:15:09.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is exactly what we would expect""" start="00:15:11.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when compiling this pseudo code.""" start="00:15:14.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Building on that, we can also easily implement speculation,""" start="00:15:17.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by using this <i>transferToInterpreterAndInvalidate</i> function""" start="00:15:21.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provided by Truffle.""" start="00:15:24.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Truffle will automatically turn that""" start="00:15:26.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into deoptimization.""" start="00:15:28.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, for example, when this add function""" start="00:15:30.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is supplied with, two floating numbers.""" start="00:15:32.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will go through the slow path here,""" start="00:15:35.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which might lead to a compiled slow path,""" start="00:15:38.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or deoptimization.""" start="00:15:40.961" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And going this deoptimization way,""" start="00:15:43.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can then update the runtime stats.""" start="00:15:45.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now, when the code is compiled again,""" start="00:15:48.323" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truffle will know,""" start="00:15:50.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that these compilation stats, suggests that,""" start="00:15:51.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have floating numbers.""" start="00:15:54.101" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this floating point addition branch will""" start="00:15:55.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then be incorporated into the fast path.""" start="00:15:58.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To put it into Java code...""" start="00:16:02.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most operations are just as simple as this.""" start="00:16:06.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it supports fast paths for integers,""" start="00:16:08.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""floating numbers, and big integers.""" start="00:16:11.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the simplicity of this not only saves us work,""" start="00:16:14.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also enables Juicemacs to explore more things more rapidly.""" start="00:16:17.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And actually, I have done some silly explorations.""" start="00:16:22.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I tried to constant-fold more things.""" start="00:16:26.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many of us have an Emacs config that stays""" start="00:16:30.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""largely unchanged, at least during one Emacs session.""" start="00:16:32.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that means many of the global variables""" start="00:16:36.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in ELisp are constant.""" start="00:16:39.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with speculation, we can""" start="00:16:42.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speculate about the stable ones,""" start="00:16:44.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try to inline them as constants.""" start="00:16:46.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this might improve performance,""" start="00:16:49.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe not?""" start="00:16:51.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because, we will need a full editor""" start="00:16:53.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get real world data.""" start="00:16:55.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also tried changing cons lists to be backed""" start="00:16:58.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by some arrays, because, maybe arrays are faster, I guess?""" start="00:17:01.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the end, <i>setcdr</i> requires some kind of indirection,""" start="00:17:05.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that actually makes the performance worse.""" start="00:17:09.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for regular expressions,""" start="00:17:12.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also tried borrowing techniques from PCRE JIT,""" start="00:17:14.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is quite fast in itself, but it is""" start="00:17:18.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunately unsupported by Java Truffle runtime.""" start="00:17:20.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, looking at these, well,""" start="00:17:24.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""explorations can fail, certainly.""" start="00:17:27.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, with Truffle and Java, these,""" start="00:17:30.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for now, are not that hard to implement,""" start="00:17:32.801" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also very often, they teach us something""" start="00:17:34.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in return, whether or not they fail.""" start="00:17:37.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, let's talk about some explorations""" start="00:17:42.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we might get into in the future.""" start="00:17:45.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the JIT engine, for example,""" start="00:17:47.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently I'm looking into the implementation of""" start="00:17:49.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nativecomp to maybe reuse some of its optimizations.""" start="00:17:52.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the GUI, I'm very very slowly working on one.""" start="00:17:56.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it ever completes, I have one thing""" start="00:18:01.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really looking forward to implementing.""" start="00:18:03.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, inlining widgets, or even""" start="00:18:06.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other buffers, directly into a buffer.""" start="00:18:08.901" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, it's because, people sometimes complain""" start="00:18:11.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Emacs's GUI capabilities,""" start="00:18:13.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I personally think that supporting inlining,""" start="00:18:16.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a whole buffer inside another buffer as a rectangle,""" start="00:18:19.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could get us very far in layout abilities.""" start="00:18:23.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this approach should also""" start="00:18:26.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be compatible with terminals.""" start="00:18:28.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really want to see how this idea""" start="00:18:30.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plays out with Juicemacs.""" start="00:18:32.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, there's Lisp concurrency.""" start="00:18:36.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And currently i'm thinking of a JavaScript-like,""" start="00:18:39.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transparent, single-thread model, using Java's virtual threads.""" start="00:18:42.168" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, if you are interested in JIT compilation,""" start="00:18:46.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truffle, or anything above,""" start="00:18:49.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe you have your own ideas,""" start="00:18:51.763" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are very welcome to reach out!""" start="00:18:53.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs does need to implement many more built-in functions,""" start="00:18:56.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and any help would be very appreciated.""" start="00:19:00.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I promise, it can be a very fun playground""" start="00:19:03.163" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to learn about Emacs and do crazy things.""" start="00:19:05.801" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you!""" start="00:19:08.443" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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Good afternoon, morning or evening,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever it is in your airtime zone.""" start="00:00:04.457" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Pedro Aranda and I'm going to be talking about""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've been doing""" start="00:00:10.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the latest backend in Org Mode""" start="00:00:12.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the different Sorry, and the way it treats fonts.""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just a couple of words before""" start="00:00:24.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am going to go through motivation,""" start="00:00:28.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the evolution and 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+[[!template text="""we had a this comes from the mailing list""" start="00:24:19.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we had someone who had this who had this problem right""" start="00:24:23.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he wanted to add emojis""" start="00:24:26.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he had problems with the verbatim font""" start="00:24:29.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's how everything got started.""" start="00:24:33.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you now go and I get my period""" start="00:24:35.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of latex for that running.""" start="00:24:42.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I actually, all my latex is supported for that.""" start="00:24:44.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this was what I showed in one of the Emacs, Org Mode meetups.""" start="00:24:50.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you see that We have the emojis.""" start="00:24:58.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We had the fonts for the different things. We had maps.""" start="00:25:00.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you could even go and add scripts""" start="00:25:06.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and little passages and different scripts.""" start="00:25:13.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this was done with the same principles that I want.""" start="00:25:16.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have my main font. I have the emojis.""" start="00:25:22.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want, I have my son's phone and I have the emojis,""" start="00:25:25.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Han for Japanese and the Kana for Japanese,""" start="00:25:30.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that these characters here,""" start="00:25:32.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both in the sons and in the serif passages""" start="00:25:36.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are included correctly in the PDF.""" start="00:25:40.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And a third thing of what you can do""" start="00:25:44.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also shown this so this is more""" start="00:25:50.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for people who have not seen it""" start="00:25:53.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a side-by-side package a passage of""" start="00:25:55.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well actually the beginning of the analysis by Xenophon""" start="00:26:01.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both in in Greek and in German with some comments""" start="00:26:04.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if I go this is this is done with Polyglossia""" start="00:26:12.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if I go once again and produce""" start="00:26:18.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the PDF for this just a second""" start="00:26:25.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Come on. There you are. You get this.""" start="00:26:32.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you see different fonts.""" start="00:26:41.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which fonts am I using for this?""" start="00:26:46.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using for the main font for me is Swissere.""" start="00:26:48.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This listing is produced with Deja Vu Sansponor.""" start="00:26:51.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And using Polyglos here, I'm able to go and define""" start="00:27:01.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Greek polytone for the variant,""" start="00:27:13.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Serif variant with the Noto Serif font,""" start="00:27:15.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to differentiate it from the German text.""" start="00:27:18.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And nice thing is that both in the German text""" start="00:27:26.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see for example here and with the Greek text""" start="00:27:30.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything is scaled to match""" start="00:27:37.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the lower case of the main font which is free serif.""" start="00:27:40.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that everything looks""" start="00:27:44.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extremely uniform and nice to read.""" start="00:27:45.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what you want to do.""" start="00:27:49.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what you can do with this.""" start="00:27:53.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just a couple of final words on this.""" start="00:27:56.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to thank once again Juan Manuel Garcia and Jim Crump""" start="00:28:00.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for what they have shared.""" start="00:28:17.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also want to thank everybody""" start="00:28:19.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for productive contributions to the discussion.""" start="00:28:24.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm saying this because I think I need a longer rest""" start="00:28:26.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to be leaving""" start="00:28:32.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the feature fund untouched for a couple of months""" start="00:28:34.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that people can take the feature branch""" start="00:28:38.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""untouched for a couple of months.""" start="00:28:41.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see if people want to use it and how they want to use it""" start="00:28:43.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe in the future we can discuss""" start="00:28:47.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we want to integrate it or not""" start="00:28:49.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if people need it and all that. 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Beautiful for.""" start="00:28:58.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that goes beyond fonts right.""" start="00:29:41.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone is asking what about how is about video""" start="00:29:47.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly MP4 support on ox-latex.""" start="00:29:52.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started the presentations with many videos.""" start="00:29:56.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something that really pushed me back using ox-latex.""" start="00:29:58.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I would say to this is I mean this goes beyond""" start="00:30:07.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we're discussing here with fonts.""" start="00:30:18.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would advise you to go and get the same""" start="00:30:24.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or have the same thing that I did""" start="00:30:29.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was first of all try to write it in latex""" start="00:30:35.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then Once you have the minimal working examples,""" start="00:30:39.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get the latest parts""" start="00:30:49.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrated into your own presentation.""" start="00:30:53.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what I've been doing.""" start="00:30:58.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, I still do it, for example, not in this,""" start="00:31:01.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for my lectures,""" start="00:31:04.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a lot of I'm using a lot of ticks""" start="00:31:06.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do graphs and animated graphs.""" start="00:31:09.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's begin export later and export later.""" start="00:31:12.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what I'm doing.""" start="00:31:18.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Videos are generally a bit tricky because you cannot""" start="00:31:20.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think there is something called PDF-PC that can,""" start="00:31:29.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this provides a lot of cloud package""" start="00:31:35.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can include videos""" start="00:31:37.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they can be played through that specific program.""" start="00:31:39.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And JavaScript embedding,""" start="00:31:44.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can only be done through Acrobat Reader,""" start="00:31:46.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like also finicky. Sure, yes.""" start="00:31:50.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you said there are many things that need to be changed.""" start="00:31:54.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I mean it's always a thing of taking it""" start="00:32:04.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and trying to see what you can do""" start="00:32:07.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what the specifics are.""" start="00:32:11.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe this can be done with Acrobat""" start="00:32:13.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with a couple of extra packages and who knows.""" start="00:32:17.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can always keep it as as late""" start="00:32:23.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as fragments inside Org, I think. 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Let's dive right into it.""" start="00:01:41.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Copilot""" start="00:01:44.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We're going to start by showing you""" start="00:01:44.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some things that are pretty well integrated,""" start="00:01:48.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that look a lot like what you see in Emacs""" start="00:01:51.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fit in with the kinds of editing""" start="00:01:55.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you normally do in Emacs.""" start="00:01:58.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is just kind of like, it's well integrated.""" start="00:02:02.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to talk about Copilot and Semext.""" start="00:02:06.580" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Copilot is by Microsoft via GitHub,""" start="00:02:08.780" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Semext is just my personal demo,""" start="00:02:12.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they're both showing you, you know,""" start="00:02:14.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this kind of thing. Let's start with Copilot.""" start="00:02:18.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try out Copilot on just a standard bit of Elisp.""" start="00:02:24.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to write a Fibonacci function.""" start="00:02:31.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try out Emacs on a standard bit of Elisp.""" start="00:02:38.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to write a Fibonacci function.""" start="00:02:43.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see like as soon as we even start typing it,""" start="00:02:49.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we get everything as a completion.""" start="00:02:53.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just press Tab here,""" start="00:02:56.340" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you've just completed""" start="00:02:59.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a significant bunch of Emacs Lisp code.""" start="00:03:02.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will do this no matter where you are.""" start="00:03:06.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, pretty useful. It will just keep suggesting things.""" start="00:03:09.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you want to do this?""" start="00:03:14.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure.""" start="00:03:16.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it usually is offering pretty reasonable things.""" start="00:03:17.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you could do this with code,""" start="00:03:22.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course, any code.""" start="00:03:29.300" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't really even have to have a mode for it, right?""" start="00:03:32.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's kind of the beauty of AI is that""" start="00:03:33.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't need any Emacs functionality for this,""" start="00:03:36.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except for Copilot.""" start="00:03:38.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't need to know the structure of your code.""" start="00:03:39.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't need anything except for the text itself""" start="00:03:41.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and whatever AI integration that this is.""" start="00:03:45.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can look at, you can do the same thing with Org-mode.""" start="00:03:51.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we could say create, no,""" start="00:03:53.740" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how about let's, let's do, you know, spring cleaning.""" start="00:03:58.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's actually the fall, but still we'll say spring cleaning.""" start="00:04:02.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it'll start suggesting things that, you know,""" start="00:04:10.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe at first, it doesn't really know what to do to""" start="00:04:12.768" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clean up all code.""" start="00:04:15.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It thinks I need to clean up code, but no,""" start="00:04:16.434" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is going to be actual, you know,""" start="00:04:18.401" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clean hood over range. Clean out pantry.""" start="00:04:21.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all really reasonable suggestions.""" start="00:04:31.568" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just keep going here.""" start="00:04:33.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Semext""" start="00:04:38.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'm going to demonstrate Semext,""" start="00:04:38.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a package I have on GNU Elpa,""" start="00:04:40.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is designed to integrate AI in a very Emacs-like way.""" start="00:04:43.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so what you could do is you could do a""" start="00:04:48.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""semext-search-forward.""" start="00:04:51.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The UI looks just like other Emacs commands,""" start="00:04:54.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can search for anything.""" start="00:04:58.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's really no way to express what I'm about to,""" start="00:05:02.380" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I'm trying to demonstrate""" start="00:05:06.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Emacs's normal search commands.""" start="00:05:08.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could really ask for anything.""" start="00:05:12.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it takes a little while, which is not Emacs-like,""" start="00:05:15.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but everything else is sort of like""" start="00:05:18.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's designed to be like Emacs,""" start="00:05:20.034" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except way more powerful.""" start="00:05:21.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't need any mode to be active for this.""" start="00:05:23.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just need the library""" start="00:05:27.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an AI provider of some sort, either locally""" start="00:05:32.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or, you know, your favorite cloud provider.""" start="00:05:34.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Integrated AI experiences: gptel, ellama, chatgpt-shell, etc.""" start="00:05:41.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now we're going to move on to a different way""" start="00:05:41.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of interacting with AI and Emacs.""" start="00:05:43.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This way is less like the normal editing experience.""" start="00:05:46.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you lose some familiarity. However, in exchange,""" start="00:05:52.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is a lot more powerful.""" start="00:05:57.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's a whole suite of these tools.""" start="00:05:58.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to demonstrate gptel,""" start="00:06:00.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the most popular one.""" start="00:06:02.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there are many.""" start="00:06:05.780" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think different people have""" start="00:06:06.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""their own preferences of what they like to use.""" start="00:06:08.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to try now something""" start="00:06:11.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is a step away from just editing.""" start="00:06:13.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're going to, I'm actually using gptel.""" start="00:06:15.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are several packages that are going to be""" start="00:06:19.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing the same sort of thing as I'm going to show you.""" start="00:06:22.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gptel has sort of become the most popular one.""" start="00:06:25.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's why I'm showing that to you.""" start="00:06:30.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let's just highlight everything and say gptel rewrite.""" start="00:06:32.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And gptel basically just has a few things.""" start="00:06:39.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's different ways of thinking about this.""" start="00:06:42.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With just a few very configurable menus,""" start="00:06:45.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do a large variety of things.""" start="00:06:50.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's give rewrite instructions.""" start="00:06:53.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Turn this into an iterative program""" start="00:06:59.820" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of a recursive program."""" start="00:07:06.601" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Elisp, you really should not be using recursion.""" start="00:07:12.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we could say "return to be ready".""" start="00:07:17.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do we accept it?""" start="00:07:20.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, we accept it. Or we could iterate and say, no, no,""" start="00:07:21.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's not what we meant. We meant something else.""" start="00:07:24.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or you did something a little something wrong.""" start="00:07:26.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please fix it.""" start="00:07:29.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is all very powerful.""" start="00:07:29.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is this editing?""" start="00:07:31.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, it's in the editor.""" start="00:07:33.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could do this while editing, while deleting,""" start="00:07:40.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could be doing some sort of traditional editing.""" start="00:07:42.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this, which is editing""" start="00:07:44.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the sense that it's in your editor,""" start="00:07:47.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might have to highlight""" start="00:07:48.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some parts of the file and do things,""" start="00:07:51.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but generally you don't even need to,""" start="00:07:52.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you go to a spot and you say, put code at this spot.""" start="00:07:54.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's kind of like editing.""" start="00:07:59.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would say it's not exactly editing,""" start="00:08:01.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's at least something that must happen in an editor""" start="00:08:05.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's well integrated into Emacs.""" start="00:08:10.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can tell, it used very sort of""" start="00:08:12.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""modern standard Emacs UI paradigms""" start="00:08:14.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's all written in Elisp.""" start="00:08:18.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything is happening in Elisp here.""" start="00:08:20.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is just very much an Emacs experience.""" start="00:08:23.780" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just not exactly editing""" start="00:08:25.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the thing doing the editing""" start="00:08:27.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the AI and not you.""" start="00:08:29.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're just kind of telling it what to do.""" start="00:08:32.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Outside the editor""" start="00:08:36.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now we're going to go and look at a way of interaction""" start="00:08:36.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's even more powerful""" start="00:08:41.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even more disconnected from the normal editing experience.""" start="00:08:43.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, it's so disconnected""" start="00:08:46.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that most people are using this without an editor.""" start="00:08:47.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are things like Claude Code""" start="00:08:52.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the sort of open source equivalent, Aider.""" start="00:08:57.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a few other things that follow this pattern as well.""" start="00:09:01.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's very interesting in the sense""" start="00:09:05.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that while you can integrate these with the editors,""" start="00:09:07.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to show you an Emacs integration,""" start="00:09:09.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't need to.""" start="00:09:12.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's not the way most people are using them.""" 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video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very nice in that respect.""" start="00:14:52.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't have to use Anthropic's models.""" start="00:14:54.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use local models,""" start="00:14:57.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it has the advantage of integrating very well with Emacs.""" start="00:15:00.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to demonstrate it,""" start="00:15:07.620" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it works essentially the same thing you could do""" start="00:15:08.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""approximately the same kinds of things""" start="00:15:11.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could do with Claude Code.""" start="00:15:14.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just write what you want to happen""" start="00:15:15.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will make it happen.""" start="00:15:17.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It again does not do this through Emacs,""" start="00:15:18.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but what it does do is""" start="00:15:21.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it gives you a much better Emacs interface""" start="00:15:23.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's not terminal-based,""" start="00:15:25.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you're not using it through the terminal,""" start="00:15:26.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or not even through comint,""" start="00:15:29.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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It may not be editing,""" start="00:16:45.900" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's still clearly something that""" start="00:16:48.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is useful to do in Emacs""" start="00:16:52.034" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and belongs in Emacs.""" start="00:16:55.568" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the new tools like Claude Code and things like that""" start="00:16:57.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are kind of different.""" start="00:17:01.860" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, they will get better integrated with Emacs,""" start="00:17:02.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's not clear that they really need to.""" start="00:17:06.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can do a lot of things without editing.""" start="00:17:11.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a sense, editing is obsolete in some sense.""" start="00:17:15.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For as many tasks, you don't need to edit anymore.""" start="00:17:19.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a nice thing.""" start="00:17:23.460" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No one really knows when all this will end,""" start="00:17:26.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how far things will go. 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It could do anything.""" start="00:18:42.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there's one thing Emacs can do, it's adapt.""" start="00:18:44.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs has been around for a long time.""" start="00:18:47.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty clear that Emacs will be around for a long time.""" start="00:18:51.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It might be that in the future,""" start="00:18:54.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing is some sort of like an artisanal activity that we do.""" start="00:18:58.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's kind of weird to think about it.""" start="00:19:04.340" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like baking bread.""" start="00:19:05.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it is the sense that AI might be""" start="00:19:07.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""churning out code in the way, you know,""" start="00:19:10.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the factories are turning out bread,""" start="00:19:12.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you really want the good stuff,""" start="00:19:14.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll have to do it yourself.""" start="00:19:17.140" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if it'll be exactly like that,""" start="00:19:21.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it could be that Emacs survives and thrives""" start="00:19:23.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very kind of specialized ecosystem of people""" start="00:19:29.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who contribute and use it in the way""" start="00:19:33.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has survived and thrive right now.""" start="00:19:35.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think that's a really nice way for all this to end up.""" start="00:19:39.540" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the whole sense of how society will end up""" start="00:19:46.140" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if all this happens. I don't know,""" start="00:19:48.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Emacs will be there for us when whatever happens.""" start="00:19:50.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you, and let's help make Emacs the best it can be""" start="00:19:54.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to survive and thrive in the next decade.""" start="00:20:00.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: amitav + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="llm-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""So let's, I'm just going to answer""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the questions as I see them on the pad.""" start="00:00:01.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, this first question is really good.""" start="00:00:04.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I demonstrated Gptel,""" start="00:00:30.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like those things, things like Ellama,""" start="00:00:32.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these things will all work with unsaved buffers""" start="00:00:35.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they work via, you know, the input is the buffer.""" start="00:00:38.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as opposed to a file.""" start="00:00:43.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things like Claude Code, Gemini Code, et cetera,""" start="00:00:45.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those are working with files.""" start="00:00:48.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have no idea what is going on with your buffers.""" start="00:00:49.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Thank you for reminding me to.""" start="00:02:06.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will read the questions from now on.""" start="00:02:11.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yes, that's what I think about.""" start="00:02:13.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that interesting questions about unsaved buffers.""" start="00:02:16.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next question is,""" start="00:02:20.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't agree with the comment you made""" start="00:02:22.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about VS code usage dying out""" start="00:02:23.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I see companies and products""" start="00:02:25.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pushing for tightly integrated agent""" start="00:02:26.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and products like Windsurf.""" start="00:02:28.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thoughts on that?""" start="00:02:31.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I mean, it's really hard""" start="00:02:33.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be certain of anything,""" start="00:02:35.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like things are changing very fast""" start="00:02:37.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's very hard to predict the future.""" start="00:02:38.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the trend I see is that um,""" start="00:02:40.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the sort of outside editing experience""" start="00:02:47.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you just kind of instruct a model,""" start="00:02:50.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what to do is getting better.""" start="00:02:53.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as long as that keeps getting better,""" start="00:02:56.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's going to lessen the demand""" start="00:02:58.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for these tightly integrated editing experiences.""" start="00:03:00.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it could be that, um, a lot of people,""" start="00:03:04.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially in, you know, corporate environments""" start="00:03:10.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just start using,""" start="00:03:12.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're going to use whatever is""" start="00:03:14.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to make the most productive.""" start="00:03:15.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think right now, it's not clear that that will be,""" start="00:03:17.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, the very agent-based, you know,""" start="00:03:22.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""command line-centric way of doing things.""" start="00:03:25.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it certainly, the trend is, if that continues,""" start="00:03:27.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it probably will be like that.""" start="00:03:31.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think we'll have to see.""" start="00:03:33.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think your opinion is unreasonable.""" start="00:03:35.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I'm kind of cautiously saying""" start="00:03:37.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's gonna be the opposite, but I guess we'll see.""" start="00:03:40.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, let's reconvene in a year and see what happens.""" start="00:03:43.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, the 3rd question answer,""" start="00:03:47.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you have any thoughts about the environmental costs""" start="00:03:49.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of using either the training""" start="00:03:55.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the models are we can download or use locally""" start="00:03:57.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the larger commercial models used from the cloud.""" start="00:03:59.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I think. 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is the thing you reach for to do that thing.""" start="00:09:00.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that touching on the point?""" start="00:09:03.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's a great way to say it.""" start="00:09:06.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. 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Yeah, thanks.""" start="00:17:02.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we have 3 questions.""" start="00:17:06.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see if we can get through them""" start="00:17:08.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all in that time period. OK, this one is interesting talk.""" start="00:17:09.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll start by asking it for everything, but is it editing?""" start="00:17:17.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's more of a comment than a question.""" start="00:17:20.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yes, let us all ask, but is it editing?""" start="00:17:23.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. 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I think it's very limited""" start="00:23:42.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you could do right now with that.""" start="00:23:44.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like you could do, if you could sort of one-shot it,""" start="00:23:46.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is like, I have something that's relatively easy,""" start="00:23:48.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it could do it, and I'm going to tell it to do it,""" start="00:23:52.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I'm going to give feedback.""" start="00:23:54.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, as long as this is for relatively short-lived things,""" start="00:23:56.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that works well. 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And, and I think that it's those,""" start="00:25:06.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those years of experience will only help you.""" start="00:25:13.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think it's, it's, it's a great,""" start="00:25:14.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's great to kind of dip your toes in the water""" start="00:25:16.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see what you can do.""" start="00:25:19.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/llm-nav.md b/2025/info/llm-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ef42733a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/llm-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/python">Interactive Python programming in Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/private-ai">Emacs and private AI: a great match</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/modern-after.md b/2025/info/modern-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4518aec2 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/modern-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,251 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="modern-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""""" start="00:00:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi! My name is Eduardo Ochs. I'm the""" start="00:00:55.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""author of an Emacs package called eev and""" start="00:00:57.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the title of this video is""" start="00:01:00.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Some problems of modernizing Emacs".""" start="00:01:03.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is a summary of the main themes""" start="00:01:05.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this video. I'm going to talk mainly""" start="00:01:08.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these four things here. The first""" start="00:01:10.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one is that Emacs has changed a lot in its""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recent versions, and now it has lots of""" start="00:01:15.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""types... so if we want to look under the""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hood and to understand what Emacs""" start="00:01:21.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really does we are going to stumble on""" start="00:01:24.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lots of types... and the""" start="00:01:27.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""current tree of classes and types""" start="00:01:30.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looks like this... that is,""" start="00:01:34.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is quite big.""" start="00:01:37.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second theme is that people used""" start="00:01:46.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to say things like "Anyone can learn Lisp""" start="00:01:49.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one day"... 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This is a""" start="00:02:01.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very short summary... details soon.""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will also show how to display""" start="00:02:08.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""better "inner views" of Emacs objects...""" start="00:02:10.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to Define what is an inner view,""" start="00:02:13.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course.""" start="00:02:16.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main trick is that we are going""" start="00:02:18.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use one of the ways of displaying""" start="00:02:20.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internal objects, that is the `cl-print'""" start="00:02:24.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""family of functions, for example,""" start="00:02:29.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`cl-prin1-to-string', and here are some""" start="00:02:32.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""examples of the kind of output that we""" start="00:02:35.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are going to see...""" start="00:02:37.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, if we run these two lines""" start="00:02:38.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here the first line defines a function `foo'""" start="00:02:44.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the second line sets `o' to the""" start="00:02:47.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internal view of the definition of `foo'.""" start="00:02:52.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In older Emacses `o' would be just a""" start="00:02:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""list that looks... that would look very""" start="00:02:59.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to this line here... but in newer""" start="00:03:02.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacses the result of this - 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Yeah.""" start="00:00:51.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I, I, I've seen your interactive SVGs,""" start="00:00:54.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just wizardry. I have no idea how you do that.""" start="00:00:58.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can hover over different elements in the SVG""" start="00:01:02.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do interesting things.""" start="00:01:06.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so it turns out if you just think of them as XML,""" start="00:01:08.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which Emacs will let you""" start="00:01:11.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you can just control C, control C,""" start="00:01:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll switch back to text mode, right?""" start="00:01:15.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can be like, oh, yeah, I can work with this""" start="00:01:16.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the DOM Emacs list library.""" start="00:01:20.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you can add title elements to it to get the hovers,""" start="00:01:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can add hyperlinks.""" start="00:01:28.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in fact, the emacs-conf schedule""" start="00:01:31.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is very naturally generated from emacs-lisp itself,""" start="00:01:35.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there was no way I was going to handle""" start="00:01:41.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two track schedules by hand.""" start="00:01:43.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's just SVG so that you can then have the hovers.""" start="00:01:45.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The important thing is that when you're exporting it to HTML,""" start="00:01:49.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has to be an inline SVG to get the fancy behaviors.""" start="00:01:53.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're linking it in as an image, then it doesn't work.""" start="00:01:57.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has to be inline. So for example, for my org mode,""" start="00:02:02.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have my exports for images checked first if it's an SVG.""" start="00:02:09.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And unless I have an attribute""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on it that says, no, just link to it because it's large and not interactive,""" start="00:02:15.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it actually inlines all of that markup""" start="00:02:20.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the exported HTML, if that makes sense.""" start="00:02:22.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That does, that does make sense.""" start="00:02:26.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a little less mysterious now.""" start="00:02:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the plus side, once it is in there as inline HTML,""" start="00:02:36.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, inline, you know, it's an inline markup,""" start="00:02:40.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can actually play around with it""" start="00:02:42.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using JavaScript or CSS. That's really neat.""" start="00:02:44.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a question about some other SVG wizardry I've seen you do.""" start="00:03:01.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have these SVGs that grow, right?""" start="00:03:07.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like they accumulate elements, almost like a slideshow.""" start="00:03:09.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Am I remembering that correctly? Yeah, yeah, yeah.""" start="00:03:15.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started using that for one""" start="00:03:20.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the EmacsConf presentations.""" start="00:03:22.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, the one EmacsConf presentation""" start="00:03:24.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've done in recent history,""" start="00:03:26.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's nice to be able to add things gradually, right?""" start="00:03:27.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Especially as you're giving a presentation.""" start="00:03:31.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's also done with Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:03:35.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I do is, first I make the image, and then in Inkscape,""" start="00:03:38.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can group together the elements""" start="00:03:43.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to appear at the same time.""" start="00:03:46.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I can use Emacs to, I think I just changed the,""" start="00:03:49.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just add some CSS to them to make them dimmer.""" start="00:03:54.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you just iterate through the different groups in that level,""" start="00:04:01.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you write out the intermediate SVG files,""" start="00:04:04.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can use Inkscape""" start="00:04:09.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to convert them into PNGs if you want,""" start="00:04:12.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like images of each step""" start="00:04:14.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are in PNG format instead of SVG.""" start="00:04:16.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the basic idea is you group""" start="00:04:18.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the elements together that you want in one step,""" start="00:04:20.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can manipulate it""" start="00:04:24.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the Emacs DOM.EL library,""" start="00:04:25.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's just an XML document.""" start="00:04:30.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can say, all right, hide everything or have everything visible""" start="00:04:32.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then remove the last one or something like that, you know, iterated.""" start="00:04:38.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Show them one at a time and then write your resulting document object model""" start="00:04:43.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a new file each step. Do you have, that makes sense.""" start="00:04:50.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So do you just write the e-list,""" start="00:05:05.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like is this on a case-by-case basis?""" start="00:05:09.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like every time you need to do this,""" start="00:05:12.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you write fresh e-list to step through the SVG this way?""" start="00:05:13.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or do you have some kind of package""" start="00:05:18.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or library to do this more?""" start="00:05:22.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go see if this is the one.""" start="00:05:27.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's probably just buried in my config.""" start="00:05:33.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I do it again, I'm sure I will find another thing""" start="00:05:39.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've completely forgotten about""" start="00:05:46.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore have to recode or fix or whatever.""" start="00:05:51.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let me go see. Can you see my screen? Yep. OK.""" start="00:05:56.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, oh, yeah, yeah, this one. Nice, I remember that one.""" start="00:06:03.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, so we get this SVG, and then this animateSVGPaths""" start="00:06:07.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just a function I have. It takes the file name.""" start="00:06:13.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes an output there. It adds one path back at a time.""" start="00:06:16.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it just creates a lot of these numbered frames.""" start="00:06:22.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as you can see here,""" start="00:06:25.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just saying, OK, take the whole thing.""" start="00:06:27.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I think, yeah, maybe I said it like,""" start="00:06:30.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, take the whole thing,""" start="00:06:34.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make everything transparent,""" start="00:06:37.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then one at a time, make them opaque""" start="00:06:40.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and save that, save that to the frame, to the image.""" start="00:06:45.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this theoretically is a somewhat reusable function""" start="00:06:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that takes the SVG and just fills the directory with it.""" start="00:06:54.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's the order in which it reveals things?""" start="00:07:01.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Top to bottom or bottom to top, it's whatever the SVG has.""" start="00:07:03.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so if you're grouping things together,""" start="00:07:12.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can rearrange things in Inkscape.""" start="00:07:15.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've given them IDs,""" start="00:07:17.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I have another function for in Emacs list""" start="00:07:22.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that just highlights something""" start="00:07:25.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lets me put an ID for it,""" start="00:07:26.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can rearrange them yourself""" start="00:07:28.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by looking at the markup, I guess.""" start="00:07:30.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I think I actually have some code also""" start="00:07:32.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will rearrange the path""" start="00:07:35.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on a list of IDs that I give it.""" start="00:07:37.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sequence so this one is animating""" start="00:07:39.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one element at a time here""" start="00:07:42.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um it's kind of like interesting effect""" start="00:07:44.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for larger things like for this one""" start="00:07:47.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""i can split this up into groups""" start="00:07:49.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because i don't want to necessarily animate them letter by letter and that one""" start="00:07:52.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yes, this is the function that I have""" start="00:07:59.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for identifying the paths""" start="00:08:03.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it highlights it and then it asks me for a name.""" start="00:08:05.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the one that reorders it.""" start="00:08:08.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can say, this is the sequence""" start="00:08:11.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want it animated in. 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What I did was I gave it all IDs.""" start="00:10:10.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I gave each group an ID.""" start="00:10:15.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then when I have the ID, I can say, you know, maybe when I group it,""" start="00:10:17.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm doing it in a bit of a haphazard way,""" start="00:10:26.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not grouping the first thing first,""" start="00:10:28.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the second thing, and the third thing.""" start="00:10:30.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a bit of a mess.""" start="00:10:32.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this one just resorts it by, I think,""" start="00:10:34.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just looking everything up, storing it,""" start="00:10:38.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then putting it back in order.""" start="00:10:41.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I probably have the code for this somewhere,""" start="00:10:45.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if it's not, it's in the source code.""" start="00:10:49.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There should be a source.""" start="00:10:52.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, so this is an org source for this post,""" start="00:10:53.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if it's not in there, then it should be in my config,""" start="00:10:57.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the definition of this function.""" start="00:11:01.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are to pass. 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Like in the organizer's notebook.""" start="00:11:58.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have a draft schedule here.""" start="00:12:04.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, we've been doing all this stuff live, that schedule,""" start="00:12:07.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where if you have, let's pick someone's talk.""" start="00:12:10.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, highlight.""" start="00:12:16.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, oh, maybe it's the other way around.""" start="00:12:22.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to put this stuff here first. 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Oh, I can't see it. OK.""" start="00:13:20.367" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you inspect the page on the developer thingy,""" start="00:13:25.325" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it will show the SVG element. Yeah.""" start="00:13:29.492" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And unfortunately, I can't share it easily right now.""" start="00:13:38.117" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe just say inspect. Oh, this is actually, I think,""" start="00:13:41.241" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how also the individual talks have current ones, right?""" start="00:13:46.617" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I just have this image over here,""" start="00:13:55.117" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you just have that one,""" start="00:14:00.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that specific talk styled differently.""" start="00:14:01.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How did you generate this SVG,""" start="00:14:06.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one showing the schedule?""" start="00:14:13.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, okay, okay. Emacs. Book, book, book, book.""" start="00:14:14.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs publish, I think. Let me share it. Emacs conf pub.""" start="00:14:24.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of these windows. Okay, let's see.""" start="00:14:29.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Slow down, look at all the windows.""" start="00:14:36.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm just gonna share the whole screen.""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Screen two, no, screen one. All right, and okay.""" start="00:14:40.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is the one. Is it sharing my screen?""" start="00:14:50.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not sharing my screen. I'm going to try this again.""" start="00:15:05.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. All right. So, the schedule. The schedule.""" start="00:15:08.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the actual function""" start="00:15:23.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that creates the SVG rectangles for the talks.""" start="00:15:24.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. My screen share ended. Let me do that again.""" start="00:15:28.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and as you can see,""" start="00:15:35.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just a little bit of math for the X, the Y,""" start="00:15:41.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we color it differently""" start="00:15:45.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on whether I'm making the schedule for the public view.""" start="00:15:48.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we just, you know, do we do developer, development talk""" start="00:15:52.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or general talk as colors,""" start="00:15:58.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if I want to color it for the backstage view,""" start="00:15:59.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can keep track of the talk's status.""" start="00:16:02.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so SDG track takes the track""" start="00:16:04.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the talk information,""" start="00:16:07.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it makes all the little rectangles.""" start="00:16:09.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the thing that adds a little hover""" start="00:16:11.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the times and titles as well.""" start="00:16:15.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Emacs's API for dealing with this is actually pretty good.""" start="00:16:17.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and of course, I have a hook here that modifies it.""" start="00:16:22.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can just run through a different function,""" start="00:16:27.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different functions to tweak it.""" start="00:16:30.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I could say, okay, color it in case my time constraints are,""" start="00:16:32.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, not being met.""" start="00:16:36.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I can paint about this somewhere.""" start="00:16:37.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the nice thing about this""" start="00:16:40.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it's actually, it's, you can, hang on a second, let me do this carefully.""" start="00:16:51.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, here you go.""" start="00:17:06.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's super nice to be able to refer to it within Emacs itself""" start="00:17:08.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Emacs has SVG support.""" start="00:17:13.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is, for example, the organizer view""" start="00:17:15.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside an org mode file. And it just has all those SVGs.""" start="00:17:19.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It don't have the hover things,""" start="00:17:24.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's just an image in it.""" start="00:17:25.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, SVGs, Emacs, awesome. 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Actually, do I have SVG?""" start="00:18:54.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's schedule for track SVG.""" start="00:18:57.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a shame that you can't visually interact""" start="00:19:05.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with parts of an SVG in Emacs the way you can in Emacs.""" start="00:19:08.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, some people have some interesting experiments with that.""" start="00:19:11.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't dug into it much,""" start="00:19:16.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but people have figured out how to use the mouse events""" start="00:19:18.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then figure out what the, like there's LEC draw, right?""" start="00:19:21.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So lecdraw is a package that lets you draw SVGs""" start="00:19:26.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can drag things and whatever. 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Yeah, you're right.""" start="00:19:51.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I remember using easy draw""" start="00:19:55.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and being surprised at what it can do.""" start="00:19:58.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only thing I think I discovered""" start="00:20:02.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it ends up creating lots of new SVGs,""" start="00:20:05.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of the way that you do""" start="00:20:10.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you show elements one by one,""" start="00:20:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are essentially creating one SVG for each state,""" start="00:20:14.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one full SVG for each intermediate state of the presentation, let's say.""" start="00:20:19.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's kind of what ELEasyDraw does.""" start="00:20:24.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I thought that's not good for performance.""" start="00:20:26.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is kind of on the slow side,""" start="00:20:30.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you compare it to like Inkscape or anything else.""" start="00:20:33.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, what it can do is pretty amazing.""" start="00:20:37.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can dynamically modify an SVG object,""" start="00:20:40.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will automatically get updated in Emacs,""" start="00:20:44.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a technique that I use a lot in FFNS in subbed.""" start="00:20:48.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, if I have waveform show all in this,""" start="00:20:52.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will, like, it's very easy to just move one element, for example,""" start="00:20:57.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or make an element larger or smaller.""" start="00:21:03.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's the... 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Yeah, but I was thinking about it""" start="00:26:39.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I expect that if it's converting to XML all the time, every time you make a change,""" start="00:26:44.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then that's going to be the bottleneck""" start="00:26:49.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any kind of heavy interactive SVG editing or modification in Emacs.""" start="00:26:52.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The kind that ELEasyDraw does.""" start="00:26:58.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But maybe if we make it compelling enough,""" start="00:27:01.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the folks upstream can say, all right,""" start="00:27:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the way that JSON got a lot faster.""" start="00:27:07.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Who knows? Maybe we can get that to be faster too. Yeah.""" start="00:27:10.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see a lot of potential for better UIs in Emacs""" start="00:27:13.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with using SVGs. Yeah.""" start="00:27:19.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nicolas Rougier has all those experiments, right?""" start="00:27:22.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, but all of those, I think, are bound by the limitations""" start="00:27:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how deeply SVGs are embedded in the display engine,""" start="00:27:30.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's kind of what we're discussing.""" start="00:27:33.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to avoid going to XML,""" start="00:27:36.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, going from XML to Elisp DOM""" start="00:27:38.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to modified Elisp DOM back to XML.""" start="00:27:41.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to avoid that round trip. Yeah, for sure.""" start="00:27:44.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or make that as fast as possible, yeah.""" start="00:27:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does anyone else have anything they want to share?""" start="00:28:04.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've always got stuff I can share,""" start="00:28:11.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I pretty happily defer. I've already seen what I made.""" start="00:28:13.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Karthik? Oh, I'm a fly on a wall here. I'm not.""" start="00:28:17.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I didn't come in with the intent to share anything.""" start="00:28:28.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. How about you, Sacha?""" start="00:28:32.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have other stuff you haven't shown off recently?""" start="00:28:34.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aside from all the panicking""" start="00:28:38.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about getting EmacsConf together this year?""" start="00:28:39.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just wanted to bring it up.""" start="00:28:42.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see, what do I have in my recent, like, fiddled with?""" start="00:28:45.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have a project called...""" start="00:28:50.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a project called Ufta, which is a little bit fun.""" start="00:28:54.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me pull it up here before I share.""" start="00:28:56.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see my messy, messy desktop. Okay, there it is.""" start="00:29:00.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's supposed to want a shell. Probably that one.""" start="00:29:08.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll just bootroot. keeping in mind that graphics""" start="00:29:21.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is going to end in about five minutes. Ooh, perfect.""" start="00:29:29.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That'll keep me from from being my normal long-winded self.""" start="00:29:33.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you already made contact with Emmanuel? I was not.""" start="00:29:38.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm going to quickly do a check in.""" start="00:29:47.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, sounds good. Did you hear back from him?""" start="00:29:50.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assume that's a yes.""" start="00:30:00.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'll go ahead and share screen here""" start="00:30:01.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just take a look, a very brief look at this.""" start="00:30:04.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assuming I can present. I had a question for Sacha.""" start="00:30:08.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a question for Sacha and you, Corbin.""" start="00:30:16.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello. Yeah, you're good. Go for it. Yeah, yeah.""" start="00:30:22.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in past years, in the EmacsConf,""" start="00:30:28.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a talk by someone,""" start="00:30:33.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually John Wheatley, or I think Philip last year,""" start="00:30:36.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about new developments in Emacs.""" start="00:30:41.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, and that is kind of at the whim""" start="00:30:44.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the Emacs developers,""" start="00:30:48.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether that is included in the in the conference.""" start="00:30:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's kind of up to the, you know, how busy folks are""" start="00:30:56.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and whether somebody can follow up the time to prepare it.""" start="00:30:59.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see. Yeah, I noticed that there wasn't one for this year.""" start="00:31:02.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I know of at least one improvement""" start="00:31:07.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or one change to Emacs.""" start="00:31:10.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's small, but I'm guessing it's very crucial""" start="00:31:12.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a certain class of Emacs users.""" start="00:31:17.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can talk about that, just that one thing.""" start="00:31:20.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you can, you can, you can go right.""" start="00:31:24.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can't share anything and we've got about one minute.""" start="00:31:29.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So have that. Okay. Um, so the change is that, uh,""" start="00:31:32.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the development version of Emacs,""" start="00:31:39.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, child frames are now supported""" start="00:31:41.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terminal in the terminal.""" start="00:31:46.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I suspect that not many people know about it yet,""" start="00:31:53.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically this means something like Corfu is going to work fine""" start="00:31:56.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're running Emacs in a terminal,""" start="00:32:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as pause frames or anything that shows like a little pop-up window""" start="00:32:05.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that previously did not work in Terminal Emacs.""" start="00:32:14.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's it. That's the update. Cool.""" start="00:32:19.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, there I have a share screen button.""" start="00:32:27.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll see if I think we're just about to cut away,""" start="00:32:29.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll go ahead and see if I can get this going.""" start="00:32:32.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just share my whole screen""" start="00:32:34.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this will be a little ugly as it comes in.""" start="00:32:36.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a project that I think is a little bit fun.""" start="00:32:39.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's called Oopda. And basically what this does,""" start="00:32:44.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see it on my source site,""" start="00:32:47.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's sr.ht tilde mplscorewin slash Oopda.""" start="00:32:49.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""O-F-D-A, and this is a very simple approach""" start="00:32:55.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to using an org file as a replacement for SQLite.""" start="00:32:59.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very simple, but it does support like a dot style path and notation.""" start="00:33:04.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can get at deeply nested data""" start="00:33:12.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just gives a little,""" start="00:33:16.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a shell script wrapper that comes with it.""" start="00:33:19.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right.""" start="00:33:24.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Theoretically, this is the Q&A for the graphics talk.""" start="00:33:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops, I have to unmute over here. Sorry.""" start="00:33:32.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I had a little audio bleed through,""" start="00:33:38.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my apologies, can you still hear me?""" start="00:33:53.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'm gonna guess,""" start="00:34:02.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I still see us live on the screen""" start="00:34:03.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're still live. All right, so I'll just press on.""" start="00:34:05.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what we're looking at here is a project called Upta.""" start="00:34:12.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's the Emacs Lisp source port.""" start="00:34:18.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see it's not real impressive""" start="00:34:21.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even with all of its boilerplate.""" start="00:34:23.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's under 200 lines of code.""" start="00:34:24.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is kind of a proof of concept,""" start="00:34:27.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""giving us the ability to use a org.org file""" start="00:34:30.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a flat file database. The intention here is to get""" start="00:34:35.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a kind of transition from SQLite,""" start="00:34:38.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is using a flat text file as a database,""" start="00:34:40.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to being able to have more of a literate database""" start="00:34:44.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we can intermix documentation about the data""" start="00:34:48.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the data itself,""" start="00:34:52.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then by giving a path on the command line.""" start="00:34:54.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll go back to the README, just take a look at that.""" start="00:34:57.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see there's a couple of kind of examples here""" start="00:35:02.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we're, here we would be querying a path.""" start="00:35:05.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can also provide a value""" start="00:35:11.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that'll set data into the file.""" start="00:35:15.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has an optional first parameter""" start="00:35:20.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to specify the specific org file by default.""" start="00:35:23.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks for a file called data.org.""" start="00:35:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course that can be used inside Emacs as well,""" start="00:35:29.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although the value of that may be a little bit limited""" start="00:35:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compared to more sophisticated""" start="00:35:37.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""technologies like org-element.""" start="00:35:39.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not an implementation""" start="00:35:41.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that mirrors all of org-element""" start="00:35:43.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any of the more complex functionality of org.""" start="00:35:47.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really as simple as possible proof of concept""" start="00:35:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just to be able to kind of work""" start="00:35:52.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the data inside an org file""" start="00:35:57.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get it back out on the command line.""" start="00:35:59.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll see if we can make it work here.""" start="00:36:01.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Corwin, could you increase the font size?""" start="00:36:07.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I surely will. All right. How's that?""" start="00:36:13.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's my picture. Yeah. Okay. Cool.""" start="00:36:27.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, let's see if we do have a, well, we can probably make it.""" start="00:36:31.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's do this.""" start="00:36:39.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and then in theory, this just works.""" start="00:37:00.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll cut.""" start="00:37:05.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll just create a data file called data.org.""" start="00:37:42.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make sure that works. Looks reasonable.""" start="00:37:45.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try adding some data to it. Hmm, not so happy.""" start="00:37:50.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, let's try it the hard way.""" start="00:38:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll come back over here to my usage""" start="00:38:17.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll just try running it.""" start="00:38:21.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is Emacs, is finding Emacs really the issue?""" start="00:38:23.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It seems to me it's not, it's not liking my path.""" start="00:38:37.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not finding out that I do EO and PWD.""" start="00:38:41.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It wants it to be on the log. I see.""" start="00:38:44.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I may have to even mess with that further,""" start="00:38:49.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we'll just try it.""" start="00:38:54.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this should retrieve the value if it works.""" start="00:38:55.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and let's take a take a simple""" start="00:39:04.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, add-to-list takes a symbol.""" start="00:39:17.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to have issues with bash quoting,""" start="00:39:47.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you should escape the quoting side.""" start="00:39:52.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gotcha. You're kidding.""" start="00:39:58.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not letting go. Whoa. That might work.""" start="00:40:27.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got my parents right. Never demo live. How exciting. OK.""" start="00:40:36.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Without batch, though, we may not get our output. OK.""" start="00:41:02.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, that's as far as I'm going to take it.""" start="00:41:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should have prepped a demo environment.""" start="00:41:20.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wasn't really prepared to demo. No worries.""" start="00:41:21.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Couple of questions about this feature.""" start="00:41:26.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question is, do you use it? I do use it, yeah.""" start="00:41:30.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should have gotten onto the environment""" start="00:41:37.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'm using it. It's a little messy.""" start="00:41:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gets into another project""" start="00:41:45.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's way too complicated to get into.""" start="00:41:47.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, but what kinds of things do you use it for?""" start="00:41:48.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's sort of hard to answer""" start="00:41:53.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that without getting into my other project,""" start="00:41:57.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but essentially I've got a web development tool chain""" start="00:41:59.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is kind of a web-based REPL""" start="00:42:02.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is kind of a literate compute environment, if you will,""" start="00:42:05.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allowing me to use a bunch of virtual machines""" start="00:42:10.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as one big computer. That project is called Ghost Wheel.""" start="00:42:13.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so in order to show off the homepage,""" start="00:42:19.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So on this page, you can see the list of machines,""" start="00:42:23.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you'll also see there's these state indicators.""" start="00:42:30.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And right now, as a matter of fact,""" start="00:42:34.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've been hacking on""" start="00:42:38.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is trying to get support for org tables.""" start="00:42:41.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, I support only changing all of the data""" start="00:42:44.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within some heading, subheading, or whatever.""" start="00:42:48.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I'd like to be able to do is specify,""" start="00:42:51.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using org table fm syntax, the particular row column.""" start="00:42:55.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So find a particular named table,""" start="00:43:01.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find a particular row, you know,""" start="00:43:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""column one, you know, row two, column one,""" start="00:43:06.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then set the value from the command.""" start="00:43:08.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I just use it for very simple stuff.""" start="00:43:11.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really want to show that off.""" start="00:43:18.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got another page that lists all of the DNS names""" start="00:43:20.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are associated that are hosted on Ghostwheel.""" start="00:43:23.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I use that to add items to the list.""" start="00:43:26.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does it make sense? Yeah, it sounds useful.""" start="00:43:29.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one thing that I would like,""" start="00:43:40.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it's easy enough to write,""" start="00:43:47.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but is a tool exactly like this""" start="00:43:51.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I can query my org files from the command line?""" start="00:43:58.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's exactly what it says.""" start="00:44:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, but it's going to be more""" start="00:44:06.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a database query where, you know, I say select, select all headings where, you know,""" start="00:44:14.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that contain this string or that have this tag, right?""" start="00:44:23.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The kinds of things that you can do with org-ql from outside, from inside Emacs, right?""" start="00:44:27.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be able to do those from the command line with,""" start="00:44:38.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to invoke SQL here, like SQL SELECT statements,""" start="00:44:41.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it doesn't have to be that syntax, right?""" start="00:44:48.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just that capability.""" start="00:44:50.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I can see that being useful as a command line tool.""" start="00:44:52.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't even care about write,""" start="00:44:57.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the ability to write or manipulate the file.""" start="00:44:59.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just query. the command line that sounds yeah yeah exactly""" start="00:45:02.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be able to dig a piece of data out of an org file as well""" start="00:45:11.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for my purpose it's very useful to be able to replace it""" start="00:45:15.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then i can deal with submit the form you know""" start="00:45:18.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that might be like a sign up form""" start="00:45:21.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then i just add the user add up an entry into the org file""" start="00:45:24.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for that user right what it doesn't do is a relational data""" start="00:45:29.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So everything, it's essentially a document data store.""" start="00:45:35.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like a Mongo kind of. True. So over on IRC, ScrewLisp asks,""" start="00:45:40.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what does it mean to query an ARC file?""" start="00:45:53.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is the data in a table? Is it in an ELISP nested list view""" start="00:45:57.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a table that has a name in ARC?""" start="00:46:01.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my answer to that is that if you ever used RQL,""" start="00:46:06.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written by Alpha Papa,""" start="00:46:10.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.""" start="00:46:14.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you query based on one of a set of attributes.""" start="00:46:18.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And these attributes are anything that's recognized by ARC.""" start="00:46:23.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the to-do status, the dates,""" start="00:46:30.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the outline path, the headings, a full text search.""" start="00:46:35.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are several more.""" start="00:46:40.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The presence or absence of certain properties.""" start="00:46:43.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using any combination of those if you want to dig down""" start="00:46:46.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and find some data in an art file.""" start="00:46:50.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the kind of query I'm talking about.""" start="00:46:52.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is somewhat equivalent""" start="00:46:56.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to being able to write SQL queries""" start="00:46:58.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you match on things just for your art files.""" start="00:47:02.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I think we might have figured out our problem.""" start="00:47:09.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was DOS encoding. See if that works.""" start="00:47:21.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I switched the development track over""" start="00:47:38.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just watching the gen track since I couldn't find it.""" start="00:47:47.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, Eludo wants to mention""" start="00:47:53.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Carnival theme for December.""" start="00:47:57.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, the people of Emacs,""" start="00:48:00.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of which you are all very awesome.""" start="00:48:02.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for your patience.""" start="00:48:04.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today has been very interesting.""" start="00:48:05.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yes, at some point we can show that too.""" start="00:48:08.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can basically wrap up anytime we like""" start="00:48:13.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or hang out for as much time as we like also.""" start="00:48:17.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay so this is okay at least i got""" start="00:48:19.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as a working demo here""" start="00:48:23.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so now you can kind of see what's going on um""" start="00:48:24.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and i'll just wrap that into uh""" start="00:48:26.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a little prettier output""" start="00:48:31.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see that it modified the value.""" start="00:48:40.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's pretty darn simple.""" start="00:48:53.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, all it's doing is completely replacing all of this content""" start="00:48:59.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with whatever new value is given as its final argument""" start="00:49:06.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after naming the data path.""" start="00:49:11.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the one refinement we can do just to get a little more complex example going.""" start="00:49:14.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll deepen our structure a little bit. And try that.""" start="00:49:23.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here now we'll say test two.""" start="00:49:32.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can take a look at the data file""" start="00:49:38.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see that it has adjusted that""" start="00:49:47.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because test2 was completely unique, that worked fine.""" start="00:49:51.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If that were not the case,""" start="00:49:55.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we would have had to specify the path""" start="00:50:00.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using dot notation like this. And that's pretty much it.""" start="00:50:02.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took me much longer to figure out""" start="00:50:17.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why it wasn't just working than it did to demo it.""" start="00:50:20.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, what I really like about this program,""" start="00:50:23.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""besides the fact that I find it quite useful""" start="00:50:29.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just be able to stuff values into an org file""" start="00:50:31.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the command line using shell script,""" start="00:50:34.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what I really like about this""" start="00:50:36.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it's a whopping 190 lines of code,""" start="00:50:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including all the boilerplate.""" start="00:50:46.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will share the project into the chat.""" start="00:50:47.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Corwin, you're not using org-element for this, are you?""" start="00:50:55.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No. Yeah, that's a great question.""" start="00:51:02.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's just dig a little into the code here.""" start="00:51:06.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or maybe it would be more fun to actually""" start="00:51:10.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only real requires here, I do use cl-lib mostly.""" start="00:51:21.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm directly using the macros from org.""" start="00:51:26.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Particularly, I'm extremely fond of this function.""" start="00:51:33.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd love to see this just promoted to promoted""" start="00:51:36.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somewhere deeper into Emacs proper,""" start="00:51:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I don't have to load all of the org macros""" start="00:51:43.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get to this particularly useful one,""" start="00:51:47.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which just tells me whether ignoring whitespace""" start="00:51:50.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a string has any characters, has greater than zero length.""" start="00:51:54.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Isn't that just string blank B?""" start="00:51:59.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a little different.""" start="00:52:04.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This deals with... I may struggle to remember the details,""" start="00:52:09.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's possible that the non-org specific version""" start="00:52:14.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has even been improved or I didn't use it correctly,""" start="00:52:21.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I believe my experience was it didn't handle new lines, for example, quite the same way.""" start="00:52:23.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So getting into what this actually does,""" start="00:52:29.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the program is finding the relevant part of the file.""" start="00:52:38.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll see that we start out by doing a depth-based search,""" start="00:52:43.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capture the value that we're looking for.""" start="00:52:49.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then finally, we widen the buffer""" start="00:52:51.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and keep handling the case where we might be being called""" start="00:52:58.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from within Emacs in a narrowed buffer.""" start="00:53:01.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is another what should be documented at the top.""" start="00:53:05.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that is obviously going to load org.""" start="00:53:11.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just double-check that. Yeah, it is going to load org.""" start="00:53:13.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can see that because it didn't find the function.""" start="00:53:21.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until I loaded Org and then it did when I did C-h f""" start="00:53:30.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get definition of a function.""" start="00:53:40.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, widen the buffer and then I just start looking for the search.""" start="00:53:45.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see I'm doing simple regular expression based searches here.""" start="00:53:51.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looking for lines, ultimately, that start with a star.""" start="00:53:55.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was a little simpler format""" start="00:54:01.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that didn't quite work out.""" start="00:54:05.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm searching for, here this is a little tricky,""" start="00:54:07.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm searching for a number of stars""" start="00:54:25.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""equal to the depth that I want.""" start="00:54:28.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The depth that I want being calculated""" start="00:54:30.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on the number of dots that were in the query string.""" start="00:54:33.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from there, you know, kind of skipping some stuff, right?""" start="00:54:38.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once we find our starting position,""" start="00:54:47.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we're going to have to find the end of that,""" start="00:54:49.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the section that we're going to read or replace.""" start="00:54:53.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Text a tiny bit smaller. So I checked org-string nwp,""" start="00:54:57.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's the same as string blank p.""" start="00:55:12.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exactly the same code or the same result?""" start="00:55:20.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it's the same result. Well, it's the same check,""" start="00:55:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but string blank p will return a match object,""" start="00:55:30.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a string match object,""" start="00:55:34.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whereas the org version will return the string itself""" start="00:55:36.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it finds a match, as in if it's blank.""" start="00:55:39.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember that.""" start="00:55:46.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a Boolean check, they are the same.""" start="00:55:48.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you use it as, you know, is it blank or not.""" start="00:55:51.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, um, yeah, I've talked for way longer.""" start="00:55:54.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought I literally thought""" start="00:56:02.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would be a five minute thing.""" start="00:56:04.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if there are any questions on it,""" start="00:56:05.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but just to simply answer your question.""" start="00:56:08.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it doesn't use org element.""" start="00:56:10.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is pure regex based work.""" start="00:56:11.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, the advantage of not using... 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Haha, you are now in charge. Okay, take it away.""" start="01:03:41.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've been using Emacs for like 46 years now,""" start="01:03:47.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back to TECO Emacs. 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You're very kind. Thank you.""" start="01:04:13.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll say more than that. Maybe I will.""" start="01:04:27.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I completely agree with you and I couldn't agree more.""" start="01:04:30.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's how Sacha and Amin and Leo""" start="01:04:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really dragged me into this,""" start="01:04:38.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, into being a volunteer.""" start="01:04:40.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really, I'm sure we'll talk""" start="01:04:42.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about this in the closing remarks,""" start="01:04:44.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can't recommend volunteering for this project enough.""" start="01:04:46.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""So this is all good.""" start="01:05:23.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so if people want to participate,""" start="01:05:45.500" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you basically write a blog post.""" start="01:05:48.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't have a blog yet,""" start="01:05:49.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are any number of packages in Emacs,""" start="01:05:53.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as web-based services,""" start="01:05:56.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you can get something going with Emacs.""" start="01:05:58.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or exporting to HTML and maybe even figure out RSS,""" start="01:06:02.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can use a static site generator like Hugo,""" start="01:06:05.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can find, if you can set up WordPress,""" start="01:06:08.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's another way to do it.""" start="01:06:11.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or you can email me your thing and I'll post it on my blog""" start="01:06:12.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me know how you want to be credited for it.""" start="01:06:15.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so you can share your story""" start="01:06:20.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or share your story about somebody else's story""" start="01:06:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and celebrate Emacs 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Woohoo!""" start="01:07:34.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for joining us""" start="01:07:38.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the first day of EmacsConf 2025.""" start="01:07:40.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Feel free to spread the word""" start="01:07:42.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there is still another day of fun talks tomorrow.""" start="01:07:44.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So hashtag EmacsConf and hashtag Emacs.""" start="01:07:48.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you do hashtag Emacs on Macedon""" start="01:07:51.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Blue Sky or other places, we'll probably find it.""" start="01:07:54.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or if I don't, you can just let me know also.""" start="01:07:58.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The prerecorded talks should be up""" start="01:08:01.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the talk pages already.""" start="01:08:04.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The live talks, we'll probably actually get them up""" start="01:08:05.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within the next week or two.""" start="01:08:09.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think they've already started processing,""" start="01:08:11.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I just had to sit down and then work with""" start="01:08:13.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our wonderful army of volunteer captioners""" start="01:08:15.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get them all nicely captioned.""" start="01:08:18.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, so the prerecorded talks""" start="01:08:20.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are also up on YouTube,""" start="01:08:22.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will eventually also upload them""" start="01:08:23.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to TubeNix, which is a PeerTube instance.""" start="01:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will work on extracting live talks.""" start="01:08:29.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you'd like updates,""" start="01:08:31.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please subscribe to the EmacsConf Discuss mailing list.""" start="01:08:32.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've got ideas for making things better,""" start="01:08:35.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have so many ideas. I always end up with a very long""" start="01:08:37.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to-do list after these things. Please add them to the pad.""" start="01:08:39.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd love to hear from you on how we can make it even smoother next year.""" start="01:08:43.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are about 100 people watching in gen""" start="01:08:46.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 100 people watching in devs, which is really awesome.""" start="01:08:49.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's amazing to think that we can have""" start="01:08:52.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs party for a lot of people.""" start="01:08:54.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can only do this because of all the wonderful speakers,""" start="01:08:56.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""volunteers, participants,""" start="01:09:00.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very patient people in our lives""" start="01:09:02.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make it possible through all the time and support.""" start="01:09:04.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this year, Corwin did most of the hosting.""" start="01:09:07.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, also dropped by earlier, so that's great.""" start="01:09:10.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope Leo is okay. You know, we managed.""" start="01:09:13.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm Sasha, by the way. I was running around backstage""" start="01:09:17.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and occasionally dropping in to go on the stream.""" start="01:09:22.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are lots of other volunteers who are not on air.""" start="01:09:26.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, during the proposal review process,""" start="01:09:29.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we got a lot of wonderful comments""" start="01:09:32.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from J.C. Hellery, Chico, and James Andrews-Howell.""" start="01:09:34.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captions from Amitav and Rodion and other people""" start="01:09:37.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have actually started also helping""" start="01:09:41.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the captions as well.""" start="01:09:42.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So jay_bird just sent in some stuff today too.""" start="01:09:45.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are slowly working on getting a mirror in the EU set up""" start="01:09:49.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it'll be a little faster for people.""" start="01:09:52.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thanks to Yang3 for lending us a server.""" start="01:09:55.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Babin and Michael and Ian and Jamie""" start="01:09:58.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Eeyore and Floyd Coulter have also helped out as well.""" start="01:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to the Free Software Foundation""" start="01:10:06.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the mailing list, the media server, and of course, GNU Emacs itself,""" start="01:10:08.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for which an astonishing amount""" start="01:10:12.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the scripting is done in Emacs. It's great.""" start="01:10:15.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Ry P for the server that we're using for OBS""" start="01:10:19.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can just VNC into it and I can manage two tracks""" start="01:10:23.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without making my computer melt. It's great.""" start="01:10:27.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, to all the users""" start="01:10:30.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and contributors and project teams""" start="01:10:32.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that work on all the free software""" start="01:10:34.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this stuff is built on.""" start="01:10:36.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, Org Mode, ERC, Tramp, Magit, BigBlueButton,""" start="01:10:37.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Etherpad, IkiWiki, IceCast, OBS, The Lounge,""" start="01:10:43.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LiberaChat, FFmpeg, OpenAI Whisper, WhisperX,""" start="01:10:48.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Aeneas forced alignment tool,""" start="01:10:52.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PsyTransfer, SubEd, SubSeg, Mozilla Firefox, MPV, and Tampermonkey,""" start="01:10:55.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other things I probably forgot to mention.""" start="01:11:00.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Shoshin for the music,""" start="01:11:02.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks to people also who've donated""" start="01:11:04.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the Working Together program,""" start="01:11:06.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Scott and Jonathan and other anonymous donors.""" start="01:11:08.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's a quick thanks. There's more tomorrow,""" start="01:11:12.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Corwin, do you have any parting words?""" start="01:11:15.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, my parting words, Sacha are a thanks to you""" start="01:11:18.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not just a thanks""" start="01:11:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the hundreds of hours that you put""" start="01:11:25.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into preparing this conference,""" start="01:11:27.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, over the years and probably just this year,""" start="01:11:29.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for all that you do for the community you are.""" start="01:11:32.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are a real unsung hero,""" start="01:11:36.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though I do hear your praises sung.""" start="01:11:38.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They really can't be sung enough.""" start="01:11:42.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I just this last week""" start="01:11:43.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recommended to two different people your blog""" start="01:11:45.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a place to get a first introduction to Emacs.""" start="01:11:48.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Your Emacs news is an incredible contribution,""" start="01:11:51.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just I want you to hear us thanking you.""" start="01:11:54.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Sacha. Emacs is a lot of fun,""" start="01:11:57.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs people are a lot of fun,""" start="01:12:04.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's all very wonderful. Yeah, we can wrap up here.""" start="01:12:07.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People can keep hanging out if they want.""" start="01:12:10.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a kiddo who is probably going to be back home soon""" start="01:12:15.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will pounce on me for more hugs,""" start="01:12:21.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I will see y'all tomorrow.""" start="01:12:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, for more probably the same kind of stuff.""" start="01:12:25.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shut it down, save our energy for tomorrow.""" start="01:12:29.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, we do like to run into like hours long closing tomorrow.""" start="01:12:32.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll work on resisting that.""" start="01:12:36.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I suggest we, we look, we go get some rest""" start="01:12:38.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and come, come back at it fresh tomorrow.""" start="01:12:41.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anybody else, any concerns with that or shall we go for it?""" start="01:12:43.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sounds good to me.""" start="01:12:47.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've got ideas, pop them into the etherpad.""" start="01:12:50.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And thank you so much for sharing this time with us.""" start="01:12:53.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you tomorrow.""" start="01:12:56.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/open-mic-nav.md b/2025/info/open-mic-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d0fb4b77 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/open-mic-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/greader">GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sun-open">Sunday opening remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/org-babel-after.md b/2025/info/org-babel-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f788e2a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/org-babel-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,221 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="org-babel-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What are reactive notebooks?""" start="00:00:01.120" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. My name is Abhinav,""" start="00:00:01.120" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to talk about""" start="00:00:03.034" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to make Org Babel reactive. So reactivity here""" start="00:00:03.901" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""means reactivity in the sense of reactive notebooks.""" start="00:00:07.240" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you used Org Babel,""" start="00:00:10.001" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might also have used Jupyter notebooks,""" start="00:00:11.601" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are basically notebooks primarily for""" start="00:00:13.934" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python programming,""" start="00:00:16.200" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you have these text and code blocks interleaved,""" start="00:00:16.934" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can execute every code block independently,""" start="00:00:20.101" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you control the order of execution manually,""" start="00:00:23.158" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can just run the code blocks""" start="00:00:25.859" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from top to bottom. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/org-babel-nav.md b/2025/info/org-babel-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a0c351dd --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/org-babel-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/reference">Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/private-ai-after.md b/2025/info/private-ai-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..760e20c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/private-ai-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,877 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="private-ai-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hey, everybody. Welcome from frigid Omaha, Nebraska.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to kick off my talk here,""" start="00:00:04.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll see how it all goes. Thanks for attending.""" start="00:00:06.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the slides will be available on my site, growthy.us,""" start="00:00:23.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the presentation section tonight or tomorrow.""" start="00:00:26.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a quick intro to one way to do private AI in Emacs.""" start="00:00:29.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a lot of other ways to do it.""" start="00:00:33.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one is really just more or less the easiest way to do it.""" start="00:00:35.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a minimal viable product""" start="00:00:38.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get you an idea of how to get started with it""" start="00:00:40.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to give it a spin.""" start="00:00:42.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really hope some of you give it a shot""" start="00:00:43.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and learn something along the way.""" start="00:00:45.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the overview of the talk.""" start="00:00:48.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""broke down these basic bullet points of why private AI,""" start="00:00:50.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do I need to do private AI, Emacs and private AI,""" start="00:00:54.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pieces for an AI Emacs solution,""" start="00:00:58.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a demo of a minimal viable product, and the summary.""" start="00:01:02.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why private AI? This is pretty simple.""" start="00:01:08.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just read the terms and conditions""" start="00:01:10.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any AI system you're currently using.""" start="00:01:12.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're using the free tiers, your queries,""" start="00:01:14.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code uploaded information""" start="00:01:17.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is being used to train the models.""" start="00:01:18.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In some cases, you are giving the company""" start="00:01:20.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a perpetual license to your data.""" start="00:01:22.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But keep in mind, this can change,""" start="00:01:43.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or they may start charging for that option.""" start="00:01:45.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every AI company wants more and more data.""" start="00:01:48.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They need more and more data to train their models.""" start="00:01:51.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is just the way it is.""" start="00:01:53.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They need more and more information""" start="00:01:56.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get it more and more accurate to keep it up to date.""" start="00:01:57.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's been a story about Stack 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I really do like it.""" start="00:03:42.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have my main workstation,""" start="00:03:45.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's an HP Z620 with dual Intel Xeons""" start="00:03:46.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with four NVIDIA K2200 graphics cards in it.""" start="00:03:50.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why the four NVIDIA K2200 graphics card on it?""" start="00:03:53.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I could buy four of them on eBay for $100""" start="00:03:56.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it was still supported by the NVIDIA drivers for Debian.""" start="00:03:59.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's why that is. A MacBook Air with an M1 processor,""" start="00:04:02.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very nice piece of kit I picked up a couple years ago,""" start="00:04:08.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very cheap, but it runs AI surprisingly well,""" start="00:04:10.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an Acer Aspire 1 with an AMD Ryzen 5700H in it.""" start="00:04:14.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was my old laptop. 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Cursor, except it's an Emacs.""" start="00:06:01.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really quite well done.""" start="00:06:04.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all really quite well done.""" start="00:06:05.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a bunch of other projects out there.""" start="00:06:07.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go out to GitHub, type Emacs AI,""" start="00:06:08.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll find a lot of different options.""" start="00:06:10.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what is a minimal viable product that can be done?""" start="00:06:13.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A minimal viable product to show what an AI Emacs solution is""" start="00:06:18.460" 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+[[!template text="""That's all it takes there.""" start="00:07:05.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Chmodding it so you can actually execute the executable.""" start="00:07:07.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then just go ahead and actually running it.""" start="00:07:10.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's go ahead and do that.""" start="00:07:12.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've already downloaded it because I don't want to wait.""" start="00:07:16.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's just take a look at it.""" start="00:07:18.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've actually downloaded several of them,""" start="00:07:21.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's go ahead and just run lava 3.2b""" 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And that's it firing up.""" start="00:07:25.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is nice enough to actually be listening in port 8080,""" start="00:07:31.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we'll need in a minute.""" start="00:07:33.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once you do that, you have to install gptel and emacs.""" start="00:07:35.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's as simple as firing up emacs,""" start="00:07:43.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing the meta x install package,""" start="00:07:45.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then just typing gptel""" start="00:07:48.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have your repository set up right,""" start="00:07:49.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which hopefully you do.""" start="00:07:51.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you just go ahead and have it.""" start="00:07:52.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You also have to set up a config file.""" start="00:07:54.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's my example config file as it currently set up,""" start="00:07:58.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""requiring ensuring Gptel is loaded,""" start="00:08:01.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defining the Llamafile backend.""" start="00:08:04.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can put multiple backends into it,""" start="00:08:05.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just have the one defined on this example.""" start="00:08:07.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's pretty straightforward.""" start="00:08:09.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Llama local file, name for it, stream, protocol HTTP.""" start="00:08:12.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have HTTPS set up, that's obviously preferable,""" start="00:08:16.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but a lot of people don't for their home labs.""" start="00:08:20.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Host is just 127.0.0.1 port 8080.""" start="00:08:22.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, some of the AIs run on a different port,""" start="00:08:26.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you may be 8081""" start="00:08:30.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're running OpenWebView at the same time. The key,""" start="00:08:31.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we don't need an API key because it's a local server.""" start="00:08:34.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the models just, uh, we can put multiple models""" start="00:08:37.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on there if we want to.""" start="00:08:40.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we create one with additional stuff""" start="00:08:41.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or like rag and stuff like that,""" start="00:08:43.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can actually name those models by their domain,""" start="00:08:45.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is really kind of cool.""" start="00:08:47.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, uh, that's all that takes.""" start="00:08:48.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go ahead and go to a quick test of it.""" start="00:08:52.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. Alt-X, gptel. And we're going to just choose""" start="00:09:03.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the default buffer to make things easier.""" start="00:09:11.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Going to resize it up a bit.""" start="00:09:12.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And usually the go-to question I go to is, who was David Bowie?""" start="00:09:15.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one is actually a question""" start="00:09:19.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's turned out to be really good""" start="00:09:24.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for figuring out whether or not AI is complete.""" start="00:09:26.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is one that some engines do well on, other ones don't.""" start="00:09:28.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can just do, we can either do""" start="00:09:31.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the alt X and send the gptel-send,""" start="00:09:33.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or we can just do control C and hit enter.""" start="00:09:36.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll just do control C and enter.""" start="00:09:37.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now it's going ahead and hitting our local AI system""" start="00:09:39.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running on port 8080. And that looks pretty good,""" start="00:09:43.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's go ahead and say, hey, it's set to terse mode right now.""" start="00:09:46.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please expand upon this. And there we go.""" start="00:09:50.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're getting a full description""" start="00:10:03.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the majority of, uh, about David Bowie's life""" start="00:10:05.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other information about him.""" start="00:10:08.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So very, very happy with that.""" start="00:10:10.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing to keep in mind is you look at things""" start="00:10:21.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're looking for hallucinations,""" start="00:10:23.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how accurate AI is, how it's compressed""" start="00:10:24.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it will tend to screw up on things like""" start="00:10:26.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how many children he had and stuff like that.""" start="00:10:29.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if it gets to that real quick.""" start="00:10:30.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it not actually on this one?""" start="00:10:32.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright, so that's the first question I always ask one.""" start="00:10:39.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next one is what are sea monkeys?""" start="00:10:42.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gives you an idea of the breadth of the system.""" start="00:10:44.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's querying right now. Pulls it back correctly. Yes.""" start="00:10:48.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's smart enough to actually detect David Bowie""" start="00:11:10.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even referenced see monkeys in the song sea of love,""" start="00:11:12.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which came at hit single.""" start="00:11:15.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's actually keeping the context alive""" start="00:11:16.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that which is very cool feature.""" start="00:11:18.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did not see that coming.""" start="00:11:20.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's one that some people say is a really good one""" start="00:11:21.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to ask ours in strawberry.""" start="00:11:24.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, now she's going off the reservation.""" start="00:11:25.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's going in a different direction.""" start="00:11:46.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go ahead and reopen that again,""" start="00:11:48.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's went down a bad hole there for a second.""" start="00:11:49.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me ask it to do write hello world in Emacs list.""" start="00:11:52.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep, that works. 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+[[!template text="""to what you're used to seeing""" start="00:13:24.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for chat, GPT, and the other systems.""" start="00:13:25.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really quite well done.""" start="00:13:28.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And once again, gptel, I have to mention that""" start="00:13:29.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's the one I really kind of like.""" start="00:13:32.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And OlamaBuddy is also another really nice one.""" start="00:13:34.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what about the licensing of these models?""" start="00:13:36.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I'm going out pulling down""" start="00:13:41.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a model and doing this stuff.""" start="00:13:42.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's take a look at a couple of highlights""" start="00:13:43.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the MetaLlama 3 community license scale.""" start="00:13:46.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If your service exceeds 700 million monthly users,""" start="00:13:49.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need additional licensing.""" start="00:13:52.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably not going to be a problem for most of us.""" start="00:13:54.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a competition restriction.""" start="00:13:56.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can't use this model to enhance competing models.""" start="00:13:58.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's some limitations on using the Meta trademarks.""" start="00:14:00.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not that big a deal.""" start="00:14:04.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the other ones are it's a permissive one""" start="00:14:05.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""designed to encourage innovation,""" start="00:14:09.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""open development, commercial use is allowed,""" start="00:14:10.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are some restrictions on it.""" start="00:14:13.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can modify the model,""" start="00:14:15.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you have to rely on the license terms.""" start="00:14:17.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can distribute the model with derivatives.""" start="00:14:20.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there are some very cool ones out there.""" start="00:14:22.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's people who've done things""" start="00:14:24.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try and make the llama bee less, what's the phrase,""" start="00:14:25.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ethical if you're doing penetration testing research""" start="00:14:29.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that.""" start="00:14:31.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has some very nice value 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video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One last thing to keep in mind is hallucinations are real.""" start="00:17:56.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will get BS back from the AI occasionally,""" start="00:18:00.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so do validate everything you get from it.""" start="00:18:02.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't be using it for court cases like some people have""" start="00:18:05.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run into those problems. 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And thanks for listening.""" start="00:18:32.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the links are at the end of the talk, if you have any questions.""" start="00:18:34.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if we got anything you want, Pat. You do.""" start="00:18:38.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've got a few questions.""" start="00:18:42.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hey, this is Corwin. Thank you so much. Thank you, Aaron.""" start="00:18:43.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What an awesome talk this was, actually.""" start="00:18:48.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't have a camera,""" start="00:18:50.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can get away with not having one too.""" start="00:18:52.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got, I'll turn the camera on.""" start="00:18:54.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. All right. I'll turn mine back on. Here I come.""" start="00:18:56.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so there are a few questions,""" start="00:19:01.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but first let me say thank you""" start="00:19:03.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a really captivating talk.""" start="00:19:04.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think a lot of people will be empowered from this""" start="00:19:06.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to do more with less, especially locally.""" start="00:19:10.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concerned about the data center footprint,""" start="00:19:15.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""environmentally concerned""" start="00:19:20.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the footprint of LLM inside data centers.""" start="00:19:23.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just thinking about how we can""" start="00:19:26.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""put infrastructure we have at home to use""" start="00:19:28.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get more done with less.""" start="00:19:32.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, the data center impact's interesting""" start="00:19:34.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there was a study a while ago.""" start="00:19:37.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone said every time you do a Gemini query,""" start="00:19:39.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's like boiling a cup of water.""" start="00:19:42.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I've heard that one too. So do you want to, you know,""" start="00:19:45.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know how much direction you want.""" start="00:19:48.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd be very happy to read out the questions for you.""" start="00:19:51.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that would be great.""" start="00:19:53.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm having trouble getting to that tab.""" start="00:19:55.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm there, so I'll put it into our chat too,""" start="00:19:57.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can follow along if you'd like.""" start="00:20:02.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question was, why is the David Bowie question""" start="00:20:07.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a good one to start with?""" start="00:20:11.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does it have interesting failure conditions""" start="00:20:12.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or what made you choose that?""" start="00:20:14.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First off, huge fan of David Bowie.""" start="00:20:17.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I came down to it really taught me a few things""" start="00:20:21.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how old the models work""" start="00:20:24.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of things like how many kids he had,""" start="00:20:26.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because deep seek, which is a very popular Chinese model""" start="00:20:28.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a lot of people are using now,""" start="00:20:31.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""misidentifies him having three daughters,""" start="00:20:33.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he has like one son and one, one, I think,""" start="00:20:35.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two sons and a daughter or something like that.""" start="00:20:38.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's differences on that and it just goes over""" start="00:20:40.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a whole lot of stuff""" start="00:20:43.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because his story spans like 60 years""" start="00:20:45.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it gives a good good feedback""" start="00:20:47.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the real main reason I asked that question""" start="00:20:49.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I just needed one that sea monkeys I just picked""" start="00:20:51.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it was obscure and just always have right""" start="00:20:53.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to have it right hello world and forth""" start="00:20:56.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I thought was an interesting one as well so""" start="00:20:58.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just picking random ones like that.""" start="00:21:01.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One question asked, sorry, a lot of models is,""" start="00:21:03.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is the closest star to the Earth?""" start="00:21:06.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because most of them will say Alpha Centauri""" start="00:21:09.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Proxima Centauri and not the sun.""" start="00:21:12.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I have a whole nother talk""" start="00:21:13.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I just argue with the LLM""" start="00:21:15.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to say, hey, the sun is a star.""" start="00:21:17.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And he just wouldn't accept it, so. What?""" start="00:21:20.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I can hear that.""" start="00:21:26.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what specific tasks do you like to use your local AI?""" start="00:21:28.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to load a lot of my code into""" start="00:21:34.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and actually have it do analysis of it.""" start="00:21:37.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was actually going through some code""" start="00:21:39.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have for some pen testing, and I was having it modified""" start="00:21:42.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to update it for the newer version,""" start="00:21:45.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I hate to say this,""" start="00:21:47.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was written for Python 2,""" start="00:21:48.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I needed to update it for Python 3.""" start="00:21:49.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the 2 to 3 tool did not do all of it,""" start="00:21:51.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the actual tool was able to do the refactoring.""" start="00:21:53.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's part of my laziness.""" start="00:21:56.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I use that for anything I don't want to hit the web.""" start="00:21:58.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a lot of stuff when you start thinking about""" start="00:22:01.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're doing cyber security researching.""" start="00:22:03.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have your white papers""" start="00:22:04.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that and stuff in there.""" start="00:22:06.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a lot of that loaded into RAG""" start="00:22:10.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one model on my OpenWebUI system.""" start="00:22:13.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Neat. Have you used have you used""" start="00:22:15.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any small domain specific LLMs? What kind of tasks?""" start="00:22:21.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If so, what kind of tasks that they specialize in?""" start="00:22:25.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you know, how?""" start="00:22:30.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not to be honest, but there are some out there like once again,""" start="00:22:32.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for cybersecurity and stuff like that,""" start="00:22:34.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I really need to dig into that's on my to do list.""" start="00:22:36.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a couple weeks off at the end of the year.""" start="00:22:39.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a big part of my plan for that.""" start="00:22:41.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are the various models updated pretty regularly?""" start="00:22:43.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you add your own data to the pre-built models?""" start="00:22:49.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. The models are updated pretty reasonably.""" start="00:22:52.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can add data to a model in a couple of different ways.""" start="00:22:56.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do something called fine-tuning,""" start="00:22:59.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which requires a really nice GPU and a lot of CPU time.""" start="00:23:01.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably not going to do that.""" start="00:23:03.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do retrieval augmentation generation,""" start="00:23:05.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is you load your data on top of the system""" start="00:23:07.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and puts inside a database""" start="00:23:09.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can actually scan that and stuff.""" start="00:23:11.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have another talk where I go through""" start="00:23:12.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I start asking questions about,""" start="00:23:14.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I load the talk into the engine""" start="00:23:16.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I ask questions against that.""" start="00:23:18.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would have one more time would have done that""" start="00:23:20.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it comes down to how many That's that's rag rag""" start="00:23:22.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pretty easy to do through open web UI or LM studio""" start="00:23:26.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a great way you just like point a folder""" start="00:23:29.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""point it to a folder and it just sucks all that state into""" start="00:23:31.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll hit that data first""" start="00:23:34.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have like helpdesk and stuff and""" start="00:23:35.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other options there's vector databases,""" start="00:23:36.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like if you use PostgreSQL.""" start="00:23:39.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a PG vector I can do a lot of that stuff.""" start="00:23:41.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've not dug into that yet,""" start="00:23:43.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that is also on that to-do list""" start="00:23:44.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a lot of stuff planned for Cool.""" start="00:23:46.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what are your experience with rags?""" start="00:23:48.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't even know what that means.""" start="00:23:51.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you know what that means?""" start="00:23:54.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you remember this question again?""" start="00:23:57.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is your experience with RAGs? RAGs is great.""" start="00:23:59.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's Retrieval Augmentation Generation.""" start="00:24:03.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That loads your data first, and it hits yours,""" start="00:24:07.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll actually cite it and stuff.""" start="00:24:09.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a guy who wrote a RAG in 100 lines of Python,""" start="00:24:11.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's an impressive piece of software.""" start="00:24:14.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think if you hit one of my site,""" start="00:24:16.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a private AI talk where I actually refer to that.""" start="00:24:18.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But retrieval augmentation, it's easy, it's fast,""" start="00:24:22.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it puts your data into the system,""" start="00:24:25.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, start with that and go then iterate on top of that.""" start="00:24:26.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one of the great things about AI,""" start="00:24:31.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially private AI,""" start="00:24:32.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is you can do whatever you want to with it""" start="00:24:33.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and build up with it as you get more experience.""" start="00:24:37.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any thoughts on running things""" start="00:24:43.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on AWS, DigitalOcean, and so on?""" start="00:24:44.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AWS is not bad.""" start="00:24:49.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The DigitalOcean, they have some of their GPUs.""" start="00:24:50.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still don't like having the data""" start="00:24:52.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""leave my house, to be honest, or at work,""" start="00:24:54.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I tend to do some stuff""" start="00:24:57.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't want it even hitting that situation.""" start="00:24:59.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they have pretty good stuff.""" start="00:25:01.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another one to consider is Oracle Cloud.""" start="00:25:03.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oracle has their AI infrastructure that's really well done.""" start="00:25:05.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I mean, once again, then you start looking at potential""" start="00:25:09.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is saying your data is private,""" start="00:25:12.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't necessarily trust it.""" start="00:25:13.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they do have good stuff, both DigitalOcean, AWS,""" start="00:25:14.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oracle Cloud has the free service, which isn't too bad,""" start="00:25:17.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually a certain number of stuff.""" start="00:25:20.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Google's also has it,""" start="00:25:21.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I still tend to keep more stuff on local PCs,""" start="00:25:23.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I just paranoid that way. Gotcha.""" start="00:25:26.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What has your experience been using AI?""" start="00:25:33.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you want to get into that, using AI for cybersecurity?""" start="00:25:35.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might have already touched on this.""" start="00:25:40.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, really, for cybersecurity,""" start="00:25:42.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've had to do is I've dumped logs""" start="00:25:44.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have a due correlation.""" start="00:25:46.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, the size of that LLAMA file we were using""" start="00:25:47.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for figuring out David Bowie, writing the hello world,""" start="00:25:49.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all that stuff, is like six gig.""" start="00:25:52.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does it get the entire world in six gig?""" start="00:25:54.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still haven't figured that out in terms of quantization.""" start="00:25:56.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm really interested in seeing the ability""" start="00:25:59.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to take all this stuff out of all my logs,""" start="00:26:02.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dump it all in there,""" start="00:26:05.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and actually be able to do intelligent queries against that.""" start="00:26:06.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Microsoft has a project called Security Copilot,""" start="00:26:08.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is trying to do that in the Cloud.""" start="00:26:10.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I want to work on something to do that more locally""" start="00:26:12.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and be able to actually drive this stuff over that.""" start="00:26:15.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one also on the long-term goals.""" start="00:26:19.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we got any other questions or?""" start="00:26:21.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those are the questions that I see.""" start="00:26:26.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to just read out a couple of comments""" start="00:26:29.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I saw in IRC though.""" start="00:26:31.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jay Rutabaga says, it went very well""" start="00:26:33.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from an audience perspective.""" start="00:26:36.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And G Gundam says, respect your commitment to privacy.""" start="00:26:39.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then somebody is telling us""" start="00:26:43.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might have skipped a question.""" start="00:26:45.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm just going to run back to my list.""" start="00:26:46.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Updated regularly experience.""" start="00:26:50.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just didn't type in the answer here's""" start="00:26:52.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there's a couple more questions coming in so""" start="00:26:57.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there a disparity where you go to paid models""" start="00:26:59.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they are better and what problems?""" start="00:27:04.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know what would drive you to? That's a good question.""" start="00:27:08.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Paid models, I don't mind them. I think they're good,""" start="00:27:14.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't think they're actually economically sustainable""" start="00:27:17.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under their current system.""" start="00:27:21.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because right now, if you're paying""" start="00:27:22.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""20 bucks a month for Copilot and that goes up to 200 bucks,""" start="00:27:24.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to be as likely to use it.""" start="00:27:26.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know what I mean?""" start="00:27:28.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it does do some things in a way that I did not expect.""" start="00:27:29.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Grok was refactoring""" start="00:27:33.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of my code in the comments and dropped an F-bomb.""" start="00:27:35.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I did not see coming,""" start="00:27:38.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the other code before""" start="00:27:39.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I had gotten off GitHub""" start="00:27:41.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""had F bombs in it.""" start="00:27:43.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it was just emulating the style,""" start="00:27:44.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but would that be something""" start="00:27:45.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd want to turn in a pull request? I don't know.""" start="00:27:47.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, uh, there's, there's a lot of money""" start="00:27:49.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going into these AIs and stuff,""" start="00:27:52.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in terms of the ability to get a decent one,""" start="00:27:53.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the llama, llama three, two,""" start="00:27:56.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and load your data into it, you can be pretty competitive.""" start="00:27:57.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're not going to get all the benefits,""" start="00:28:01.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you have more control over it.""" start="00:28:04.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's, it's a, this and that it's a,""" start="00:28:07.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a balancing act.""" start="00:28:11.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, and I think I see a couple more questions coming in.""" start="00:28:13.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is the largest parameter size for local models""" start="00:28:15.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you've been able to successfully run locally""" start="00:28:19.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do run into issues with limited context window size?""" start="00:28:22.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The top eight models will tend to have a larger ceiling.""" start="00:28:26.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.""" start="00:28:29.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, the context size is I think 1024.""" start="00:28:32.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I've upped it to 8192 on the on this box, the Pangolin""" start="00:28:37.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it seems to be some reason""" start="00:28:44.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just a very working quite well.""" start="00:28:46.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the largest ones I've loaded have been in""" start="00:28:49.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the have not been that huge.""" start="00:28:52.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've loaded this the last biggest one I've done.""" start="00:28:54.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the reason why I'm planning""" start="00:28:55.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on breaking down and buying a Ryzen.""" start="00:28:57.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I'm going to buy""" start="00:29:01.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Intel i285H with 96 gig of RAM.""" start="00:29:03.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I should be able to load""" start="00:29:06.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a 70 billion parameter model in that. How fast will it run?""" start="00:29:08.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to run slow as dog,""" start="00:29:12.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's going to be cool to be able to do it.""" start="00:29:13.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an AI bragging rights thing,""" start="00:29:15.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I mostly stick with the smaller size models""" start="00:29:17.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ones that are more quantitized""" start="00:29:20.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it just tends to work better for me.""" start="00:29:22.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've still got over 10 minutes before we're cutting away,""" start="00:29:26.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm just anticipating""" start="00:29:29.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're going to be going strong at the 10 minute mark.""" start="00:29:30.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm just, just letting, you know,""" start="00:29:32.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can go as long as we like here at a certain point.""" start="00:29:34.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I may have to jump away and check in with the next speaker,""" start="00:29:37.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we'll post the entirety of this,""" start="00:29:41.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if we aren't able to stay with it all.""" start="00:29:44.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. And we've got 10 minutes""" start="00:29:47.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we're still going to stay live.""" start="00:29:49.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So next question coming in, I see, are there free as in freedom,""" start="00:29:52.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""free as in FSF issues with the data?""" start="00:30:00.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, where's the data coming from is a huge question with AI.""" start="00:30:05.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's astonishing you can ask questions""" start="00:30:11.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to models that you don't know where it's coming from.""" start="00:30:13.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is gonna be one of the big issues long-term.""" start="00:30:16.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are people who are working""" start="00:30:19.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on trying to figure out that stuff,""" start="00:30:21.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's, I mean, if you look at, God,""" start="00:30:22.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember who it was.""" start="00:30:25.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody was actually out torrenting books""" start="00:30:27.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to be able to build into their AI system.""" start="00:30:28.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it might've been Meta.""" start="00:30:30.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a lot of that going on.""" start="00:30:32.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The open source of the stuff is going to be tough.""" start="00:30:34.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's going to be there's some models""" start="00:30:38.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the mobile guys have got their own license,""" start="00:30:39.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but where they're getting their data from,""" start="00:30:41.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure on so that that's a huge question.""" start="00:30:42.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a that's a talk in itself.""" start="00:30:45.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, but you if you train on your RAG and your data,""" start="00:30:47.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know what it's come, you know,""" start="00:30:51.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a license that""" start="00:30:53.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the other stuff is just""" start="00:30:54.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more lines of supplement""" start="00:30:55.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're using a smaller model,""" start="00:30:56.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the comment online, I see a couple of them.""" start="00:31:01.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll read them out in order here. Really interesting stuff.""" start="00:31:05.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your talk. 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Oh no.""" start="00:32:35.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also depends upon how your memory is laid out.""" start="00:32:39.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like example being the Ultra i285H""" start="00:32:41.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I plan to buy, that has 96 gig of memory.""" start="00:32:45.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's unified between the GPU and the CPU share it,""" start="00:32:47.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they go over the same bus.""" start="00:32:50.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the overall bandwidth of it tends to be a bit less,""" start="00:32:52.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you're able to load more of it into memory.""" start="00:32:55.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's able to do some additional stuff with it""" start="00:32:57.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as opposed to come off disk.""" start="00:32:59.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all balancing act. If you hit Zyskin's website,""" start="00:33:00.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that guy's done some great work on it.""" start="00:33:03.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm trying to figure out how big a model you can do,""" start="00:33:05.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you can do with it.""" start="00:33:07.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And some of the stuff seems to be not obvious,""" start="00:33:08.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because like example, being that MacBook Air,""" start="00:33:12.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the five minutes I can run the model,""" start="00:33:15.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it runs it faster than a lot of other things""" start="00:33:17.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that should be able to run it faster,""" start="00:33:19.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just because of the way the ARM cores and the unified memory work on it.""" start="00:33:21.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a learning process.""" start="00:33:24.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want to, Network Chuck had a great video""" start="00:33:26.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talking about building his own system""" start="00:33:29.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a couple really powerful NVIDIA cards""" start="00:33:30.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that in it.""" start="00:33:34.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just actually setting up on his system as a node""" start="00:33:35.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and using a web UI on it. So there's a lot of stuff there,""" start="00:33:38.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it is a process of learning how big your data is,""" start="00:33:41.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which models you want to use,""" start="00:33:43.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much information you need,""" start="00:33:44.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's part of the learning.""" start="00:33:46.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can run models, even as a Raspberry PI fives,""" start="00:33:48.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to, they'll run slow.""" start="00:33:52.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't get me wrong, but they're possible.""" start="00:33:54.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, and I think there's other questions coming in too,""" start="00:33:56.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'll just bam for another second.""" start="00:34:02.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got about five minutes before we'll,""" start="00:34:04.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before we'll be cutting over,""" start="00:34:06.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just want to say in case we get close for time here,""" start="00:34:09.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much I appreciate your talk.""" start="00:34:13.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is another one that I'm going to""" start="00:34:14.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to study after the conference.""" start="00:34:15.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We greatly appreciate, all of us appreciate""" start="00:34:18.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you guys putting on the conference.""" start="00:34:21.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a great conference. It's well done.""" start="00:34:22.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an honor to be on the stage""" start="00:34:26.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the brains of the project, which is you.""" start="00:34:28.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what else we got? Question wise.""" start="00:34:30.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so just scanning here.""" start="00:34:34.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you used local models capable of tool calling?""" start="00:34:39.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm, I'm scared of agentic.""" start="00:34:50.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I, I am, I'm going to be a slow adopter of that.""" start="00:34:54.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to do it, but I just don't have the, uh,""" start="00:34:58.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""four decimal fortitude right now to do it.""" start="00:35:02.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I, I, I've had to give me the commands,""" start="00:35:04.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I still run the commands by hand.""" start="00:35:07.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm looking into it and it's on once again,""" start="00:35:08.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's on that list, but I just, that's a big step for me.""" start="00:35:10.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So. Awesome. All right.""" start="00:35:14.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, maybe it's, let me just scroll through""" start="00:35:23.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we might have missed one question. Oh, I see.""" start="00:35:27.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here was the piggyback question.""" start="00:35:31.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I see the question that I missed.""" start="00:35:36.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this was piggybacking on the question""" start="00:35:38.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about model updates and adding data.""" start="00:35:41.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And will models reach out to the web""" start="00:35:44.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they need more info?""" start="00:35:46.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or have you worked with any models that work that way?""" start="00:35:47.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, I've not seen any models to do that""" start="00:35:51.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's there was like a group""" start="00:35:55.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working on something like a package updater""" start="00:35:57.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would do different diffs on it,""" start="00:35:59.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's so Models change so much""" start="00:36:02.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even who make minor changes and fine-tuning.""" start="00:36:03.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard just to update them in place""" start="00:36:05.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I haven't seen one, but that doesn't mean""" start="00:36:07.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're not out there. I'm curious topic though Awesome""" start="00:36:10.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, it's probably pretty good timing.""" start="00:36:16.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just scroll and make sure.""" start="00:36:19.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, before I can say that,""" start="00:36:21.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's one more question. So let's go ahead and have that.""" start="00:36:23.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to make sure while we're still live, though,""" start="00:36:25.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I give you a chance to offer any closing thoughts.""" start="00:36:28.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what scares you most about the agentic tools?""" start="00:36:31.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How would you think about putting a sandbox around that""" start="00:36:35.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you did adopt an agentic workflow?""" start="00:36:38.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is a great question.""" start="00:36:42.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In terms of that, I would just control""" start="00:36:42.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what it's able to talk to, what machines,""" start="00:36:45.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would actually have it be air gap.""" start="00:36:48.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work for a defense contractor,""" start="00:36:50.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we spend a lot of time dealing with air gap systems,""" start="00:36:52.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's just kind of the way it works out for us.""" start="00:36:53.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So agentic, it's just going to take a while to get trust.""" start="00:36:55.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to want to see more stuff happening.""" start="00:36:58.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Humans screw up stuff enough.""" start="00:37:01.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The last thing we need is to multiply that by 1000.""" start="00:37:02.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in terms of that, I would be restricting what it can do.""" start="00:37:04.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look at the capabilities,""" start="00:37:09.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I created a user and gave it permissions,""" start="00:37:10.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would have a lockdown through sudo,""" start="00:37:13.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what it's able to do, what the account's able to do.""" start="00:37:15.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would do those kind of things,""" start="00:37:17.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's going to be, it's happening.""" start="00:37:18.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just, I'm going to be one of the laggards on that one.""" start="00:37:20.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So airgab, jail, extremely locked down environments,""" start="00:37:25.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like we're talking about separate physicals, not Docker.""" start="00:37:29.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, hopefully. Right, fair.""" start="00:37:34.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So tool calling can be read-only,""" start="00:37:37.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as giving models the ability to search the web""" start="00:37:39.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before answering your question,""" start="00:37:42.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, write access, execute access.""" start="00:37:43.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm interested to know if local models""" start="00:37:46.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are any good at that.""" start="00:37:49.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, local models can do a lot of that stuff.""" start="00:37:51.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's their capabilities.""" start="00:37:55.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you load LM studio, you can do a lot of wonderful stuff""" start="00:37:56.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with that or with open web UI with a llama.""" start="00:37:59.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a lot of capabilities. It's amazing.""" start="00:38:02.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Open web UI is actually what a lot of companies are using now""" start="00:38:05.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put their data behind that.""" start="00:38:08.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're curated data and stuff like that. So works well.""" start="00:38:10.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can confirm that from my own professional experience.""" start="00:38:12.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excellent. Okay, well, our timing should be just perfect""" start="00:38:15.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to give us like a 30-second, 45-second wrap-up.""" start="00:38:19.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aaron, let me squeeze in mine.""" start="00:38:22.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again so much for preparing this talk""" start="00:38:24.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for entertaining all of our questions.""" start="00:38:26.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let me just thank you guys for the conference again.""" start="00:38:30.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a great one. I've enjoyed a lot of it.""" start="00:38:33.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've only had a couple of talks so far,""" start="00:38:35.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm looking forward to hitting the ones after this and tomorrow.""" start="00:38:37.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the AI stuff is coming. Get on board.""" start="00:38:41.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely recommend it. If you want to just try it out""" start="00:38:44.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a little taste of it,""" start="00:38:46.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what my minimal viable product""" start="00:38:48.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with just LlamaFile and GPTEL""" start="00:38:49.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will get you to the point where you start figuring out.""" start="00:38:51.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gptel is an amazing thing. It just gets out of your way,""" start="00:38:53.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it works solo with Emacs. Design because it takes""" start="00:38:55.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't take your hands off the keyboard.""" start="00:39:00.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just another buffer""" start="00:39:01.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you just put information in there.""" start="00:39:02.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's quite quite a wonderful It's a wonderful time.""" start="00:39:04.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's put that way That's all I got Thank you""" start="00:39:06.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so much for once again, and we're we're just cut away.""" start="00:39:10.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll stop the recording""" start="00:39:14.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're on your own recognizance""" start="00:39:15.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I'm gonna punch out""" start="00:39:18.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if anybody has any questions or anything""" start="00:39:19.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my email address is ajgrothe@yahoo.com or at gmail and""" start="00:39:21.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all for attending""" start="00:39:24.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks again for the conference""" start="00:39:26.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and end the room there, thank you.""" start="00:39:29.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excellent, thanks, bye.""" start="00:39:32.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/private-ai-nav.md b/2025/info/private-ai-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f1da6dba --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/private-ai-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/llm">Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/commonlisp">Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/python-after.md b/2025/info/python-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..508a4acc --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/python-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,548 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="python-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Okay, so welcome to this session about interactive Python""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming. My name is David Vujic and I live and work in""" start="00:00:04.440" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stockholm, Sweden. a developer and today I focus""" start="00:00:09.680" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly on Python software development. So I do this at work""" start="00:00:15.320" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I also do this on my spare time in my open source projects.""" start="00:00:20.440" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before that, I've been part of the Lisp community. I've""" start="00:00:26.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been a Clojure developer, and also, like, way back,""" start="00:00:30.480" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was in the Microsoft world and developed C# and .NET stuff.""" start="00:00:33.701" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I've been doing lately is to try to improve the""" start="00:00:40.280" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developer experience when you write Python code. So what I""" start="00:00:46.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to talk about is this, but also I want to begin with""" start="00:00:52.400" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback loops because I think it's very related to this""" start="00:00:56.160" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactive programming style, like having this nice""" start="00:01:00.840" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback when you write code.""" start="00:01:05.360" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to begin with that.""" start="00:01:07.068" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Feedback loops""" start="00:01:10.534" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So this image, you know, this circle is supposed to be a""" start="00:01:10.534" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""visualization of a feedback loop. Let's say we write our""" start="00:01:14.200" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code and then we deploy it to production. Then when it's""" start="00:01:19.880" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running there, we can check if things work, or if maybe someone""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""else will let us know. Maybe our customers will let us know.""" start="00:01:29.640" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a pretty slow feedback loop with potential risks of""" start="00:01:35.320" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""damaging your business or whatever.""" start="00:01:39.640" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is obvious, of course.""" start="00:01:41.868" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a faster feedback loop probably is to have""" start="00:01:44.168" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some kind of automation when you do commits""" start="00:01:50.001" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe you have this pull request things and even reviews.""" start="00:01:54.067" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So maybe not always as fast as deploy,""" start="00:01:59.734" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't deploy directly to production, but""" start="00:02:02.934" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's probably safer and often you get this automated""" start="00:02:05.840" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback faster anyway. But it's still kind of slow. You""" start="00:02:10.540" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to wait. You have to push things to GitHub maybe and""" start="00:02:16.200" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wait. So there's faster ways for sure to get feedback.""" start="00:02:20.240" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a much faster way is to write code,""" start="00:02:24.280" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and write some unit tests, and run those unit tests.""" start="00:02:27.968" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So then you do everything on your local machine""" start="00:02:31.368" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you will fairly quickly learn if your code does""" start="00:02:33.468" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you think it does or if it doesn't. I want to zoom in to""" start="00:02:39.040" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this test write code and test flow a bit. Let's do that.""" start="00:02:47.160" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Test-driven development""" start="00:02:56.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""As a developer, I have used a thing called test-driven""" start="00:02:56.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""development for quite some time. I find that this way of""" start="00:02:59.760" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working is very fast when it comes to getting feedback on""" start="00:03:06.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what your code does and how you should continue the""" start="00:03:11.260" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""development. 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I find this very""" start="00:03:36.960" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""effective when you want to get feedback and to know how to""" start="00:03:44.420" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue the development. The most important thing""" start="00:03:50.520" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I feel is that you know what the code does.""" start="00:03:57.234" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You learn very quickly.""" start="00:04:01.701" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""REPL-driven development""" start="00:04:05.560" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's zoom into this TDD flow a little bit. 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general question.""" start="00:01:18.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry if you covered this and I missed it.""" start="00:01:19.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not that long actually.""" start="00:01:23.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it was in 2019 or 2020.""" start="00:01:26.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's when I started to, I was really fortunate enough""" start="00:01:31.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to join a team that had chosen to""" start="00:01:34.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""develop an app in Lisp, in Clojure.""" start="00:01:38.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah and i didn't know anything about it""" start="00:01:42.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""i didn't know lisp at all so it was like brand new""" 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Emacs""" start="00:02:10.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was like, Clojure is really good for,""" start="00:02:13.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is really good for Clojure development.""" start="00:02:17.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how I started.""" start="00:02:19.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I like to learn, rewired my brain""" start="00:02:20.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to learn all how Emacs works""" start="00:02:24.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as opposed to like the mainstream editors out there.""" start="00:02:27.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how it started. So like five years ago, maybe.""" start="00:02:30.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cool. 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Very cool.""" start="00:03:10.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I see we've got a couple people""" start="00:03:16.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that have joined on the BBB here with us""" start="00:03:19.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the live question.""" start="00:03:23.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're welcome to just throw your question in this chat,""" start="00:03:24.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if you've got a microphone connected,""" start="00:03:29.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're welcome to come off mute""" start="00:03:32.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and throw a question in that way as well.""" start="00:03:34.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join on liberachat IRC.""" start="00:03:36.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join pound emacs comp hyphen dev,""" start="00:03:40.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we would happily take your questions there.""" start="00:03:44.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Meanwhile, I've got a question""" start="00:03:47.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming in on the pad right now, so take that next.""" start="00:03:49.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just read it out.""" start="00:03:52.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't quite see how your setup works with IPython.""" start="00:03:55.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry if you already answered this.""" start="00:03:58.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have your Emacs connect to the IPython kernel""" start="00:04:00.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over XMPP socket that IPython sets up? 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REPLs, either PyPython,""" start="00:05:21.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I do for most of my daily work,""" start="00:05:26.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if I want this connection to a running app,""" start="00:05:29.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using the Jupyter console, basically.""" start="00:05:32.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you explored Org Babel at all?""" start="00:05:38.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you talk about your approach""" start="00:05:45.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compared to the Babel workflow? 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All right.""" start="00:06:08.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to peek over to the other chats""" start="00:06:24.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and make sure I'm not missing questions.""" start="00:06:27.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I got a lot of screens. A little dance here.""" start="00:06:28.840" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and I do see a few people in the chat.""" start="00:06:35.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just say again, if you've joined us on the BBB,""" start="00:06:41.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're more than welcome to jump in with your questions""" start="00:06:44.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or put questions into the chat here.""" start="00:06:47.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not a big Python person,""" start="00:06:50.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can't get into the really interesting questions""" start="00:06:52.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are probably more relevant,""" start="00:06:57.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just because a lot of it's kind of over my head.""" start="00:07:01.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you seen the miramo.io notebooks?""" start="00:07:05.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These use standard Python?""" start="00:07:12.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yes, I've seen, I haven't tried it myself,""" start="00:07:15.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I've seen it.""" start="00:07:18.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very, I think it's a very interesting approach""" start="00:07:19.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that probably will solve a lot of these things""" start="00:07:22.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with interactive development in general,""" start="00:07:26.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but because I think it's basically Python files""" start="00:07:28.840" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not the, not this other file format that you have""" start="00:07:31.840" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the regular notebook setup.""" start="00:07:36.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have that in my list of things to try out in future,""" start="00:07:40.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it looks really, really cool. Awesome.""" start="00:07:45.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'm hesitant to just ask you really boilerplate questions.""" start="00:08:00.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You get an expert, a souffle chef,""" start="00:08:06.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you ask about making pasta or some other sort of thing.""" start="00:08:11.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm glad to ask any questions.""" start="00:08:16.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just generally about Emacs as a coding developer,""" start="00:08:20.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what are the features""" start="00:08:25.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you tend to lean on more heavily?""" start="00:08:27.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know completion or you know what what have you""" start="00:08:28.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe I could put it better""" start="00:08:34.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as what have you spent more time configuring for Emacs""" start="00:08:36.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to facilitate development?""" start="00:08:40.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes initially it was basically taking away""" start="00:08:45.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of the UI features""" start="00:08:49.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically disabling it and and but fairly quickly""" start="00:08:51.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for for both closure development""" start="00:08:56.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where i was using cider which is like a really good uh good tool um""" start="00:08:58.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for python when i quickly found lp elp""" start="00:09:04.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""i'm not sure how to pronounce it""" start="00:09:08.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you you get so much uh good things from these tools""" start="00:09:10.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so what i've done additionally is like theme""" start="00:09:16.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe having this environment""" start="00:09:21.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is without disturbance.""" start="00:09:27.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I really like the code to have my full attention.""" start="00:09:31.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I rarely have, maybe I have like a preview sometimes,""" start="00:09:34.840" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but mostly it's the window or the buffer where I have my code""" start="00:09:41.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've minimized the running REPL buffer.""" start="00:09:45.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So sometimes it's, I'm hiding it, but it's still active.""" start="00:09:49.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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person that tends to work with""" start="00:10:24.400" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a master builder, build your own Emacs?""" start="00:10:33.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are you using the system packages?""" start="00:10:37.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's your approach to just get Emacs""" start="00:10:40.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""up and off the ground for yourself?""" start="00:10:43.616" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not there yet with doing my own builds.""" start="00:10:45.369" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I'm on macOS,""" start="00:10:52.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm installing Emacs through broom basically, homebrew.""" start="00:10:55.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've yet so much Emacs things to learn""" start="00:11:00.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm not even using org yet.""" start="00:11:04.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm exploring the this editor.""" start="00:11:07.740" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I feel like I'm very much a beginner.""" start="00:11:11.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not using Emacs to its full potential yet.""" start="00:11:14.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm counting on that I will be more and more using Emacs""" start="00:11:17.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for more and more different tasks basically.""" start="00:11:23.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm just seeing a comment.""" start="00:11:29.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ed Stallthroat says, thank you""" start="00:11:32.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for publishing your configuration and offers a link.""" start="00:11:35.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, great. Great.""" start="00:11:40.840" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, those things that I showed in my talk,""" start="00:11:41.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't made any, I haven't packaged it yet,""" start="00:11:46.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but everything is on my GitHub,""" start="00:11:49.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've tried to separate each feature""" start="00:11:51.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in separate LSP files.""" start="00:11:57.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it should be, I hope that it's fairly straightforward""" start="00:11:59.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to understand how it's set up. Very good.""" start="00:12:04.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just scroll down,""" start="00:12:08.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sure I'm not missing questions here.""" start="00:12:11.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I think those are the questions that we have.""" start="00:12:13.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can take a couple more minutes if you're open to that,""" start="00:12:16.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just for people to consider.""" start="00:12:20.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know we're coming up on the lunch hour,""" start="00:12:24.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it may be that people are jogging off to get some food.""" start="00:12:26.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, in Sweden, it's dinner time.""" start="00:12:31.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like 6 p.m. soon. That fits.""" start="00:12:36.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So are you involved with local Emacs meetups?""" start="00:12:40.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that your part of the world""" start="00:12:46.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a really brisk community,""" start="00:12:49.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, a lot of, just a lot going on.""" start="00:12:51.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm always seeing in Sacha's Emacs News,""" start="00:12:55.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of the different meetups and so on.""" start="00:12:58.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm curious if you're plugged""" start="00:13:02.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a local community there at all, No, I haven't.""" start="00:13:03.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not in any community. I haven't done that yet,""" start="00:13:08.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are like friends that I've gotten to know""" start="00:13:10.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through work and through like open source work that also use Emacs.""" start="00:13:15.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We talk and share our conflicts""" start="00:13:23.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically on a regular basis,""" start="00:13:28.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we are, at least in the Python community,""" start="00:13:30.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're like a minority,""" start="00:13:36.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like other editors are like the standards.""" start="00:13:37.400" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And at work, I'm sharing what I'm doing,""" start="00:13:39.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like my talk here to my fellow co-workers""" start="00:13:45.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are not on Emacs, but I hope to get their interest up.""" start="00:13:48.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So many of us Emacs users are Emacs evangelists.""" start="00:13:54.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. It's the Venn diagram of Emacs user""" start="00:13:59.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs evangelist is a circle, I think.""" start="00:14:06.202" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I think so too.""" start="00:14:08.869" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, David, I super appreciate your talk""" start="00:14:11.036" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thank you so much also for...""" start="00:14:16.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I saw another question here. Let me cover that.""" start="00:14:18.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you repeat the name of the LLM""" start="00:14:24.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you specifically mentioned there?""" start="00:14:27.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, it's a tool called ECA, E-C-A.""" start="00:14:30.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's basically a server and clients,""" start="00:14:36.785" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's not only Emacs. It has support for other editors,""" start="00:14:44.077" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think the primary support is for,""" start="00:14:49.161" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the developer who does it is an Emacs user,""" start="00:14:53.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it's like Emacs first, basically.""" start="00:14:57.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And his name is Eric Dallo.""" start="00:15:01.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's a great developer in the Clojure community.""" start="00:15:04.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He has done some LSP work in the Clojure world, too.""" start="00:15:09.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What was the last name? What was Eric's last name?""" start="00:15:13.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eric Dallo, D-A-L-L-O. Yeah.""" start="00:15:17.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think that's a great tool, but I also use another tool""" start="00:15:23.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that for some reason I forgot to have this interactive way of,""" start="00:15:31.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I think they are developing that feature too,""" start="00:15:38.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have another LLM that has support""" start="00:15:43.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for requests and callbacks basically.""" start="00:15:46.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can do something programmatically.""" start="00:15:50.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how I've solved my LLM thing""" start="00:15:53.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I select some Python variables""" start="00:15:55.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and tell the LLM to populate it with some fake data""" start="00:16:00.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can send that to the REPL.""" start="00:16:05.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for some reason, I forgot the name of it.""" start="00:16:08.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can look it up. Just give me one minute, sorry.""" start="00:16:11.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh yeah gptel gptel that's that's the name of the other tool""" start="00:16:25.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is uh also a good tool yeah""" start="00:16:35.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but ECA is more like a more chat companion""" start="00:16:37.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this you can also you can tell it to write code and things like that""" start="00:16:41.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but i mostly use it for reviews and research""" start="00:16:46.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and like asking questions""" start="00:16:51.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because i want to my I don't have a problem with typing code.""" start="00:16:54.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think that slows me down,""" start="00:17:00.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but maybe getting some quick feedback""" start="00:17:01.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the actual work that I'm doing,""" start="00:17:05.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's what I'm using LLM for,""" start="00:17:07.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on LLM for two, mostly today. That really hits for me.""" start="00:17:09.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't mind typing either.""" start="00:17:13.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think somehow having things be so simple""" start="00:17:15.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in many cases just automated,""" start="00:17:18.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs just does the right thing.""" start="00:17:20.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes me hungry to type. I want to type more.""" start="00:17:22.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It feels like every keystroke does a little more.""" start="00:17:26.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Speaking of evangelism, thank you. Thank you""" start="00:17:28.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pop up for the for the question.""" start="00:17:33.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to peek one more time through""" start="00:17:35.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't see a backlog.""" start="00:17:39.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a couple more comments here""" start="00:17:41.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""linking linking to the ECA Emacs and gptel.""" start="00:17:44.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Comment also saying very cool setup.""" start="00:17:49.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I suppose I'll I'll hand it over to you""" start="00:17:52.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have kind of final thoughts or.""" start="00:17:56.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""additional wisdoms you want to share""" start="00:17:59.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really appreciate your taking the time to prepare this presentation""" start="00:18:02.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially to do the live Q&A with us. Thank you""" start="00:18:05.400" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I haven't anything more than that I will""" start="00:18:11.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course I will continue like have evolving my setup""" start="00:18:13.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's like new tools""" start="00:18:19.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe new ideas also coming up""" start="00:18:21.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my What I'm aiming for in Python development""" start="00:18:24.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the great developer experience""" start="00:18:28.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what's called Lisp programming, basically.""" start="00:18:30.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what I'm aiming at for Python 2.""" start="00:18:34.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you so much.""" start="00:18:41.700" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/python-nav.md b/2025/info/python-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d1d02d06 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/python-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/swanky">Swanky Python: Interactive development for Python</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/llm">Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/reader-after.md b/2025/info/reader-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d6e736d0 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reader-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1192 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="reader-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""An introduction to the Emacs reader""" start="00:00:00.720" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello EmacsConf!""" start="00:00:00.720" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today I'm here to introduce you to the Emacs Reader.""" start="00:00:02.880" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a general-purpose document viewer""" start="00:00:06.640" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lives inside our beloved Emacs.""" start="00:00:08.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It tries to prioritize memory""" start="00:00:12.320" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and performance efficiency as much as possible""" start="00:00:14.160" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even when you're using a lower-end hardware.""" start="00:00:17.160" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, most importantly,""" start="00:00:20.520" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it tries to do things in an Emacs manner.""" start="00:00:22.120" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, it tries to integrate""" start="00:00:25.440" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with existing packages as much as possible""" start="00:00:27.000" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of reinventing the wheel.""" start="00:00:29.720" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And architecturally, it tries to take the advantage""" start="00:00:32.240" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of dynamic or native modules""" start="00:00:36.120" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which were introduced back in 2015 into Emacs.""" start="00:00:38.480" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Yet another document viewer in Emacs?""" start="00:00:44.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You would ask, why exactly do we need""" start="00:00:44.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another document viewer in Emacs?""" start="00:00:46.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't we already have the built-in DocView""" start="00:00:49.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the notorious pdf-tools?""" start="00:00:51.840" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, the built-in DocView has unusable latency,""" start="00:00:55.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to show you this later""" start="00:00:59.440" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I compare this with Emacs Reader.""" start="00:01:01.400" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The famous pdf-tools has actually multiple issues.""" start="00:01:04.600" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One, it is extremely memory-hungry""" start="00:01:08.080" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of what kind of PDFs you're reading.""" start="00:01:10.640" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, well, it can only read PDFs.""" start="00:01:14.400" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Poppler, the library which pdf-tools uses,""" start="00:01:17.940" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is actually sub-optimal,""" start="00:01:22.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially relative to MuPDF,""" start="00:01:23.880" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what Emacs Reader is based on.""" start="00:01:25.800" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pdf-tools is also extremely painful to install.""" start="00:01:28.560" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever installed pdf-tools,""" start="00:01:31.920" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know that it has a bunch of dependencies,""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including a server that is supposedly packaged.""" start="00:01:38.480" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""across package managers, system package managers.""" start="00:01:42.320" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's extremely difficult to install""" start="00:01:45.062" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and painful to install.""" start="00:01:47.738" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, pdf-tools""" start="00:01:50.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since the last 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's supposed to render the images using Poppler""" start="00:03:03.000" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then send the images to Emacs""" start="00:03:07.241" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which then tries to display.""" start="00:03:10.920" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the server client model is terrible.""" start="00:03:13.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One, for latency purposes,""" start="00:03:16.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and two, it makes things""" start="00:03:18.080" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unnecessarily more complicated.""" start="00:03:19.840" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is where we come""" start="00:03:21.800" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 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video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who has been persistently contributing""" start="00:33:38.500" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the project since 0.1.0,""" start="00:33:40.640" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm very, very thankful for him,""" start="00:33:42.840" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for his suggestions,""" start="00:33:46.520" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for his code contributions as well.""" start="00:33:47.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would also like to thank Prom,""" start="00:33:50.880" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who fixed a major bug""" start="00:33:53.320" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Windows build,""" start="00:33:55.800" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since I 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If you would like to say more.""" start="00:03:35.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I think just as a thing,""" start="00:03:38.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the reason I said PDF tools is difficult""" start="00:03:40.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is PDF tools has a huge list of dependencies.""" start="00:03:43.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only thing Emacs Vita depends""" start="00:03:45.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on is new PDF, nothing else. 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Awesome opportunity""" start="00:05:42.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there for someone spunky.""" start="00:05:47.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How is conversion between Elisp and foreign language types?""" start="00:05:49.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, when interfacing with the C++ library""" start="00:05:55.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that makes heavy use of the C++ object system and templates.""" start="00:05:59.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's a good question.""" start="00:06:03.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the go-to answer is the blog post that I wrote,""" start="00:06:05.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an extensive explanation""" start="00:06:10.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how the internals of dynamic modules work.""" start="00:06:12.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The short answer is that basically what happens""" start="00:06:14.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is anything that is compatible with C-ABI""" start="00:06:21.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you compile that language code,""" start="00:06:24.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so when I compile C++ code, I would have a particular API.""" start="00:06:27.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have a dynamic module API,""" start="00:06:33.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the emacs-module.h, the file that I showed.""" start="00:06:35.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to put that into your C++ package program""" start="00:06:39.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then link it to...""" start="00:06:45.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So emacs-module.h is basically going to...""" start="00:06:48.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like use things in your Emacs installation""" start="00:06:51.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to interact with this C++ language. 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I thought that was pretty clear.""" start="00:08:06.309" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm looking forward to seeing that blog post""" start="00:08:10.017" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and understanding what I glossed over""" start="00:08:12.017" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to understand from that explanation.""" start="00:08:13.642" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was great.""" start="00:08:15.861" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can one look at PDF metadata with Emacs Reader?""" start="00:08:18.421" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you do annotations? Does it understand forms?""" start="00:08:22.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can it handle encrypted PDFs?""" start="00:08:26.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In other words, I think reading between the lines,""" start="00:08:29.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wow, this is awesome.""" start="00:08:33.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there anything I can't do? You're right.""" start="00:08:34.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs Reader will be able to do all of those things.""" start="00:08:39.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can do annotations. It will be able to do forms.""" start="00:08:44.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we have an issue open for interpret PDFs.""" start="00:08:48.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing is, right now we are struggling with""" start="00:08:52.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making Emacs Reader be very efficient""" start="00:08:54.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of highlighting and text selection""" start="00:08:58.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of the challenges that I mentioned in the slides,""" start="00:09:02.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it will be able to do all that.""" start="00:09:05.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once we tackle the basic features""" start="00:09:07.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down in an efficient manner. Gotcha. Um.""" start="00:09:10.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Comment or questioner says,""" start="00:09:18.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I installed Emacs Reader already as promised. Great job.""" start="00:09:24.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How can I associate ODT files to open with Emacs Reader?""" start="00:09:28.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't really need to do anything.""" start="00:09:34.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should be just able to do find file,""" start="00:09:38.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Control X, Control F, and open.""" start="00:09:40.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it should open with Emacs Reader""" start="00:09:42.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we have an auto mode list,""" start="00:09:45.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list that takes an ODT file""" start="00:09:47.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and opens it with reader mode.""" start="00:09:51.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you should just be able to do find file.""" start="00:09:53.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're not able to do that,""" start="00:09:55.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you should open Embug report.""" start="00:09:56.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll just mention""" start="00:09:58.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we've got about 10 minutes left of our live Q&A,""" start="00:10:00.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you're watching the stream,""" start="00:10:03.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's possible that we'll just keep going.""" start="00:10:06.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The questions just keep coming, which I just love that.""" start="00:10:08.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So feel free to join the BBB link""" start="00:10:10.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that should have shown in the IRC chat.""" start="00:10:14.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jump in and we can take questions""" start="00:10:17.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as long as Divya has steam for that.""" start="00:10:21.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If a PDF file is open in Emacs Reader""" start="00:10:26.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I reintegrate the PDF with some changes,""" start="00:10:30.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does the Emacs Reader refresh the PDF on its own""" start="00:10:33.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or do I reload it?""" start="00:10:36.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, that's also a really good question.""" start="00:10:38.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one answer is that it depends on""" start="00:10:41.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how you change the PDF.""" start="00:10:44.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, if I just replaced the PDF""" start="00:10:46.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with something else of the same name,""" start="00:10:50.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs will update it immediately.""" start="00:10:52.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have auto revert mode on,""" start="00:10:55.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll just revert the buffer""" start="00:10:57.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll reload the PDF really nicely.""" start="00:10:59.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you're doing it something like LaTeX,""" start="00:11:01.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you're writing something in LaTeX""" start="00:11:05.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and LaTeX is continuously producing the PDF,""" start="00:11:07.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that needs SyncTeX integration.""" start="00:11:10.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because LaTeX, while it's producing the PDF,""" start="00:11:13.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it does a lot of funky things.""" start="00:11:16.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does not provide a sort of renderable PDF all the time.""" start="00:11:19.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs will sort of crash trying to""" start="00:11:24.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically render a PDF that is not ready yet.""" start="00:11:28.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we need SyncTex to sync""" start="00:11:31.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with LaTeX to do that really nice.""" start="00:11:34.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so we have to do some care""" start="00:11:37.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and feeding of the exact timing""" start="00:11:39.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we have more of a continuous behind the curtains, so to speak.""" start="00:11:41.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That makes a lot of sense to me. What are the challenges""" start="00:11:46.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with integrating synctex and AucTex?""" start="00:11:50.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This would be great to see as PDF handles as well,""" start="00:11:55.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or PDF tools handles as well. Yeah, yeah.""" start="00:11:58.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, we have Synctex and Auctex planned.""" start="00:12:02.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really see any major obstacles""" start="00:12:04.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for doing that, to be very honest.""" start="00:12:06.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we can do it in a much simpler way""" start="00:12:08.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than PDF Tools does.""" start="00:12:11.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only reason we haven't done it yet is because, again,""" start="00:12:12.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have more important highlighting""" start="00:12:17.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and text selection and those features planned,""" start="00:12:20.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's anticipated. 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I'm not sure if an EmacsConf talk""" start="00:12:39.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be appropriate for this, but I do stream bi-weekly.""" start="00:12:44.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you're always welcome to come on my stream and ask,""" start="00:12:48.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would be very happy to go deep into this.""" start="00:12:52.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm looking forward to catching that myself.""" start="00:12:55.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for the shout. Is there search functionality,""" start="00:12:58.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like isearch and occur?""" start="00:13:02.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, we don't really have it,""" start="00:13:05.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is the most immediate feature""" start="00:13:07.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after we have text selection.""" start="00:13:09.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once we have text selection,""" start="00:13:10.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once we're able to select the text,""" start="00:13:12.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we can have iSearch so that it can highlight the text.""" start="00:13:14.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Um, all right. And then, um, there's, I'm just gonna,""" start="00:13:17.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll read out this question""" start="00:13:26.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I have to do a little bookkeeping on the pad.""" start="00:13:28.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, does the dynamic module, uh, prevent customization""" start="00:13:30.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Emacs usually provides advice, hooks, et cetera,""" start="00:13:35.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or does everything just kind of""" start="00:13:40.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, if you have a dynamic module,""" start="00:13:44.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't limit you into doing anything.""" start="00:13:46.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do everything on the Elisp side that you want,""" start="00:13:49.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you only take care of certain things""" start="00:13:52.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the dynamic module side.""" start="00:13:55.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're asking whether""" start="00:13:56.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do advices, hooks, and all of that""" start="00:13:58.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the dynamic module itself,""" start="00:14:01.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the dynamic module itself,""" start="00:14:03.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a bit tricky because something like""" start="00:14:05.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Calling a macro or doing macros and dynamic modules""" start="00:14:09.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not really that nice You have to pretty much manually""" start="00:14:14.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expand the macro yourself in the dynamic module""" start="00:14:18.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you want to do it from the dynamic module,""" start="00:14:21.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's not much support right now,""" start="00:14:23.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can do everything on the elisp side""" start="00:14:25.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without touching the dynamic module. Got it""" start="00:14:29.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So those are the questions that I see.""" start="00:14:33.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to take a quick peek,""" start="00:14:38.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let me invite you if you want to.""" start="00:14:40.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got just about 5 minutes left""" start="00:14:42.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will get carried away sometimes""" start="00:14:46.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fail to make this invitation before we cut away live,""" start="00:14:48.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if we do keep going a bit.""" start="00:14:51.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you have live onto the stream.""" start="00:14:54.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you don't have to do that.""" start="00:14:57.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You said a lot in your presentation.""" start="00:15:02.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, I think mostly that's fine.""" start="00:15:05.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just really happy""" start="00:15:12.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people are interested in the package,""" start="00:15:13.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would be glad to have contributors""" start="00:15:17.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and viewers or anything. That would be nice. Awesome.""" start="00:15:19.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here comes one more question,""" start="00:15:25.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or actually a couple more questions coming in.""" start="00:15:28.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Following up on dynamic modules,""" start="00:15:31.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you usually create an Elisp shim""" start="00:15:34.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from foreign function interface""" start="00:15:38.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then use them with Elisp?""" start="00:15:40.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so basically how you do is you write,""" start="00:15:41.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say I have a C function""" start="00:15:46.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've written in the dynamic module.""" start="00:15:49.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a dynamic module function.""" start="00:15:51.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then when I'm trying to call""" start="00:15:52.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dynamic module function,""" start="00:15:54.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the time, I don't call it like that.""" start="00:15:56.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrap it inside a proper Elisp function""" start="00:15:59.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then call that Elisp function.""" start="00:16:01.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how I think it's better to do that because""" start="00:16:03.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can take care of certain cases""" start="00:16:08.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on when you want the dynamic module function to be called.""" start="00:16:12.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe sometimes you don't want""" start="00:16:15.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dynamic module function""" start="00:16:17.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be called immediately.""" start="00:16:18.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's better to wrap it.""" start="00:16:19.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Okay. So timing issues. Yeah.""" start="00:16:22.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the purposes of managing timing issues,""" start="00:16:26.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that elisp shim is preferred.""" start="00:16:31.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Makes sense. Um.""" start="00:16:34.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, so question question here""" start="00:16:38.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is searching for the person is searching for a roadmap.""" start="00:16:44.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that already available as a feature?""" start="00:16:47.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Searching is on the roadmap.""" start="00:16:49.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not available yet as a feature, but it's on priority.""" start="00:16:52.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you may have may have touched on that.""" start="00:16:56.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. All right. Those are the questions that I see.""" start="00:16:59.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got just a couple of minutes.""" start="00:17:06.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if you have more you wanted to say,""" start="00:17:08.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have to say how much I appreciate your talk,""" start="00:17:10.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially you jumping in live with us""" start="00:17:13.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just taking everything on the fly.""" start="00:17:16.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is a big part of what adds the energy,""" start="00:17:19.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you in particular, just really dynamic speaker.""" start="00:17:24.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I enjoyed it as well.""" start="00:17:28.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A person is, and I think this may have been touched on already,""" start="00:17:31.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's maybe get into it more specifically.""" start="00:17:37.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've said that search is kind of""" start="00:17:39.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a next up type of feature as things,""" start="00:17:42.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the current iteration stabilizes.""" start="00:17:44.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Question was, you know, occur like, how would you?""" start="00:17:48.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Totally. There will be occur searches.""" start="00:17:52.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There will be isearch enabled, isearch.""" start="00:17:56.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used to with PDF tools,""" start="00:17:59.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we would be like parity with the features,""" start="00:18:02.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the features that you're used to with PDF tools.""" start="00:18:06.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, so, uh, certainly occur anything""" start="00:18:08.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is important in Emacs with text""" start="00:18:12.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that can be done with PDFs.""" start="00:18:15.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We really want to do that because, um,""" start="00:18:17.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want the package to be as knitted""" start="00:18:19.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into Emacs ecosystem as possible.""" start="00:18:22.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. We'll see if we can get in this last question here.""" start="00:18:24.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have a timing expectation for ELPA?""" start="00:18:28.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, yeah, next major release essentially.""" start="00:18:30.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So next major release is most likely""" start="00:18:33.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be within a month or two.""" start="00:18:35.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once we have the next major release, we're going to be.""" start="00:18:37.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, timing couldn't be more perfect.""" start="00:18:39.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe this is a good, good point to break.""" start="00:18:43.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll be cutting away to the next talk""" start="00:18:45.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in just a couple of minutes.""" start="00:18:47.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let me say one more time how much""" start="00:18:48.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on behalf of all the attendees""" start="00:18:51.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the volunteers and all everybody,""" start="00:18:52.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, how much we appreciate your talks""" start="00:18:54.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, uh, your awesome contribution to the Emacs world.""" start="00:18:57.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks, Corwin.""" start="00:19:01.300" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [divya@subvertising.org](mailto:divya@subvertising.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20reader%3A%20An%20introduction%20to%20the%20Emacs%20Reader) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/reader-before.md b/2025/info/reader-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b4c92c74 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reader-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 35-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-reader> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-reader> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-reader"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/reader-nav.md b/2025/info/reader-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c0b83e2a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reader-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/modern">Some problems of modernizing Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/weights">Weightlifting tracking with Emacs on Android</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/reference-after.md b/2025/info/reference-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..00456b05 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reference-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,358 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="reference-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, hello everyone, welcome to EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:00.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Vidianos, and I'm a PhD student in KU Leuven,""" start="00:00:03.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'm going to be showing you""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how I managed to use Emacs as a reference manager,""" start="00:00:08.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacing what was for me Zotero,""" start="00:00:12.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a fully fledged approach inside Emacs.""" start="00:00:17.220" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, what is my typical reference workflow?""" start="00:00:24.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First I need to find literature,""" start="00:00:26.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I need to collect and organize it,""" start="00:00:28.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I originally did with Zotero,""" start="00:00:30.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now with Emacs centered tools""" start="00:00:32.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as zotra and ebib.""" start="00:00:36.612" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I create a reading list.""" start="00:00:39.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a new addition to my workflow""" start="00:00:41.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started doing after moving this approach to Emacs""" start="00:00:43.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because now everything is well integrated.""" start="00:00:47.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have made a very nice reading list implementation""" start="00:00:50.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside org-roam which I am going to be showing today.""" start="00:00:53.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then obviously I need to read the literature, take notes,""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize the notes, and ensure I am actually learning""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from what I am reading. This is then done through packages""" start="00:01:04.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as org-noter and org-roam""" start="00:01:06.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and is not going to be the focus of this talk.""" start="00:01:09.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I already gave a talk about this part of my workflow,""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've been doing for many years now.""" start="00:01:14.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find that""" start="00:01:17.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can find many other people's approaches""" start="00:01:20.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reading literature and taking notes""" start="00:01:23.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as it is quite a popular topic in the Emacs community.""" start="00:01:26.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lastly, I will have a short section""" start="00:01:31.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how I ensure that I can recall the knowledge""" start="00:01:32.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from this literature very easily""" start="00:01:37.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through this reference management system.""" start="00:01:39.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Capture""" start="00:01:43.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, how can we capture an article in Emacs?""" start="00:01:43.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the most commonly known packages is doi-utils""" start="00:01:48.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where doi-utils has a lot of useful things to do""" start="00:01:52.100" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one of them is to capture a paper,""" start="00:01:58.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you need a DOI, and for me, that is a bit inconvenient,""" start="00:02:03.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because what I want to do is that""" start="00:02:06.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a URL here of a paper,""" start="00:02:08.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to just copy this URL, not copy the DOI,""" start="00:02:12.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and be able to save it immediately to my bib file.""" start="00:02:16.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that can now be done""" start="00:02:23.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through this function zotra-add-entry.""" start="00:02:24.312" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you can see here,""" start="00:02:27.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is also a zotra-download-attachment""" start="00:02:28.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that sometimes works, but not always.""" start="00:02:31.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't personally recommend it.""" start="00:02:34.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the problem is that due to articles being""" start="00:02:35.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""locked behind paywalls in many cases,""" start="00:02:39.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""downloading attachments doesn't work""" start="00:02:42.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through Emacs. Sometimes it doesn't work""" start="00:02:45.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through Zotero. Sometimes you just need to go to the browser,""" start="00:02:47.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say download PDF, and that's the only solution""" start="00:02:51.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will properly work.""" start="00:02:54.260" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how do I then add this to the paper?""" start="00:02:58.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to find this paper that is here""" start="00:03:01.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through ivy-bibtex.""" start="00:03:04.712" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the bib file manager I use.""" start="00:03:05.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is also others like citar.""" start="00:03:10.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think citar has much better coding and integration""" start="00:03:11.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other packages, but I haven't really bothered""" start="00:03:15.560" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to move from ivy-bibtex""" start="00:03:18.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it does basically everything I want perfectly.""" start="00:03:19.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I go here, say add pdf to library.""" start="00:03:24.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find where I saved it,""" start="00:03:28.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will suggest to automatically name it something""" start="00:03:31.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in full integration""" start="00:03:35.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the rest of my Emacs packages,""" start="00:03:37.446" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the literature management stuff""" start="00:03:40.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knows to find it with this exact name.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it iss saved and now""" start="00:03:46.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I try to create a file from this,""" start="00:03:49.046" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I will show later,""" start="00:03:53.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see that the file will already appear there.""" start="00:03:55.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Organizing""" start="00:04:00.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now let's go to organizing.""" start="00:04:00.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Organizing in Zotero is typically done through a""" start="00:04:06.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hierarchical folder structure.""" start="00:04:09.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very familiar to most people and generally works,""" start="00:04:10.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but being someone that takes notes using the Zettelkasten method,""" start="00:04:15.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has a fully flat hierarchy, nothing goes in folders,""" start="00:04:19.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything is in the same folder,""" start="00:04:24.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you find everything because it's connected to other things.""" start="00:04:27.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some basic indexes,""" start="00:04:31.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from where you can jump to different points.""" start="00:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love this structure, so I also wanted to include it""" start="00:04:37.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my bibliography management,""" start="00:04:41.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because with folders you have problems like,""" start="00:04:42.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this article can go in that folder, can go in that folder,""" start="00:04:45.580" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can go in that folder. Where do I actually put it?""" start="00:04:48.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do I put copies of it in different folders?""" start="00:04:51.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just confusing and not really practical in my opinion.""" start="00:04:54.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I tried to do this approach inside Emacs.""" start="00:04:59.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Ebib""" start="00:05:03.479" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And how? With Ebib.""" start="00:05:03.479" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ebib is an amazing software built inside Emacs.""" start="00:05:08.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a reference manager and it works absolutely amazing""" start="00:05:11.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you configure it to your liking.""" start="00:05:15.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's open ebib first.""" start="00:05:18.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the interface you will see when opening.""" start="00:05:21.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, by default you will not see anything,""" start="00:05:23.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have open three bib files.""" start="00:05:27.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are opened by default on boot of ebib for me.""" start="00:05:30.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are my three main master bib files.""" start="00:05:36.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the Zotero master bib file,""" start="00:05:39.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which only Zotero can touch. If I change it,""" start="00:05:41.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will be overwritten. This is my new master bib,""" start="00:05:44.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I save all the files that I have now started using""" start="00:05:47.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after switching to this approach.""" start="00:05:53.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this is the master bib file""" start="00:05:55.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for literature related to my PhD""" start="00:05:59.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things that I have already read.""" start="00:06:02.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a very convenient interface.""" start="00:06:07.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is also search. There is one searching tool,""" start="00:06:09.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the jump to entry, ebib-jump-to-entry,""" start="00:06:14.141" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which searches through all open bib files for the title.""" start="00:06:16.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, I can search for membrane fabrication,""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's something I am currently doing,""" start="00:06:29.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and go to this. There is another searching tool,""" start="00:06:35.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ebib-search, which searches through the database""" start="00:06:41.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're on right now""" start="00:06:45.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it does a full text search,""" start="00:06:48.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not only in the titles, but everywhere.""" start="00:06:50.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, I see that in this paper""" start="00:06:53.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I go to the abstract and search for the word FTIR,""" start="00:06:57.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a chemical analysis,""" start="00:07:04.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will tell me that it's here.""" start="00:07:06.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can it find it anywhere else? It cannot. That's okay.""" start="00:07:09.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's search for something""" start="00:07:16.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we'll be able to find more easily,""" start="00:07:18.112" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, for example, membrane crystallization""" start="00:07:21.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a main focus of my PhD.""" start="00:07:24.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it will be able to find it many times,""" start="00:07:27.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""many, many times.""" start="00:07:30.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also search on the next database""" start="00:07:35.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or on this database and see where is everything that I want.""" start="00:07:40.300" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is different searching tools which are very useful.""" start="00:07:49.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Filters""" start="00:07:55.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then there's also another tool, that is, filters.""" start="00:07:55.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can filter on any field.""" start="00:08:01.701" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, for example, let's say on any field,""" start="00:08:06.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say I'm looking now again""" start="00:08:09.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for membrane crystallization.""" start="00:08:13.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will now filter to all entries.""" start="00:08:16.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see right now there's 18 entries here""" start="00:08:19.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that mention these two words together in any field.""" start="00:08:22.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes this is easier, because this is permanent.""" start="00:08:28.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like the search that we find one""" start="00:08:31.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then if you move, you've lost it,""" start="00:08:33.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you need to find it again.""" start="00:08:35.219" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is permanent until I say,""" start="00:08:37.886" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay, cancel the filter.""" start="00:08:39.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mostly work with filters,""" start="00:08:41.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think they're the most convenient.""" start="00:08:43.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there's also the ebib-list-recent""" start="00:08:47.060" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is another very useful command.""" start="00:08:49.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It asks you for a number of days""" start="00:08:51.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will show you the files that were added""" start="00:08:53.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the most recent.""" start="00:08:56.560" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, show me the literature files""" start="00:08:58.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that were added to this bib file in the last month.""" start="00:09:02.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will see five files in this case,""" start="00:09:05.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because in this bib file, I have mostly entries""" start="00:09:09.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have read, these are the files""" start="00:09:12.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have most recently read and added here.""" start="00:09:15.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While if I go for example here and say that,""" start="00:09:18.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are files that maybe I haven't read yet,""" start="00:09:21.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I was planning to read. 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M for the dependent databases,""" start="00:10:55.220" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I add entry, and it will tell me""" start="00:11:00.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Where do you want to add this?"""" start="00:11:02.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when I read a new paper,""" start="00:11:03.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can say okay, this is related to these three tags,""" start="00:11:05.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is sort of like, again,""" start="00:11:09.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's tagging it and it's putting it""" start="00:11:11.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there, there, and there.""" start="00:11:13.186" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this creates a flat structure""" start="00:11:15.060" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that however has a great organization,""" start="00:11:17.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to how Zettelkasten works""" start="00:11:21.620" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I really like working with something like this,""" start="00:11:23.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with dependent databases.""" start="00:11:27.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another feature that I really like,""" start="00:11:33.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another feature that exists by default... But if I tag,""" start="00:11:36.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this tagging is done through "m",""" start="00:11:41.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I can tag different files here,""" start="00:11:45.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is to do different actions with these together,""" start="00:11:49.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as, for example,""" start="00:11:52.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copy them to a different file,""" start="00:11:53.586" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with "x" I can export the entries somewhere else,""" start="00:11:55.586" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are many things that you can do""" start="00:11:59.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you mark them.""" start="00:12:00.686" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, one of them is this function,""" start="00:12:01.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which sees everything that I have marked""" start="00:12:05.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and shows me an org-roam-node-find entry""" start="00:12:08.940" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is filtered to just these files.""" start="00:12:14.786" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can select one and it will take me""" start="00:12:18.053" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to my notes on this specific paper.""" start="00:12:20.886" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find this very useful,""" start="00:12:24.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I can be looking for something""" start="00:12:25.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can say, okay I remember,""" start="00:12:27.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or I did some filtering,""" start="00:12:30.019" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I know it's in one of these files""" start="00:12:31.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now I want to see my in-depth notes on each one""" start="00:12:34.100" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to remember where exactly I found it.""" start="00:12:37.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I find this kind of filtering,""" start="00:12:41.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this org-roam related filtering, to be also very effective.""" start="00:12:43.420" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading lists""" start="00:12:50.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now let's finally move to reading list.""" start="00:12:50.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reading list in ebib""" start="00:12:54.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reminds me a lot of the philosophy that Emacs uses.""" start="00:12:55.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, it is extremely bare bones, not very usable,""" start="00:13:00.260" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it is so customizable, to where you can do""" start="00:13:05.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything that you can imagine through it""" start="00:13:10.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the limit truly is your imagination.""" start="00:13:13.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's how much you can code into this""" start="00:13:16.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that actually makes sense""" start="00:13:21.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can actually imagine it working.""" start="00:13:22.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Besides that, you can do anything really.""" start="00:13:25.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can open ebib and try to find this paper""" start="00:13:31.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I just added here.""" start="00:13:36.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can create a reading list entry from it.""" start="00:13:42.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, my reading list prompts me""" start="00:13:48.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a priority for this.""" start="00:13:52.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How urgent it is for me to read this.""" start="00:13:53.419" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It adds a TO-READ, which is a todo entry,""" start="00:13:57.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which helps with organizing my reading list,""" start="00:14:02.220" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because as you may also be able to see, this has an ID,""" start="00:14:04.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is an org-roam node,""" start="00:14:08.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the TO-READ allows me to organize it inside org-roam.""" start="00:14:11.580" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It saves the citekey, the link to the paper,""" start="00:14:16.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also tags it with the parent file node""" start="00:14:21.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't like having orphan nodes in my Zettelkasten.""" start="00:14:25.980" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like everything to be linked to at least one thing.""" start="00:14:30.380" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So everything in the reading list""" start="00:14:33.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is linked to the parent file.""" start="00:14:35.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I can find this in the org-roam-node-find menu,""" start="00:14:39.300" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. However, that's not very interesting.""" start="00:14:47.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In practice, my typical org-roam-node-find""" start="00:14:53.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does not even include these reading list files""" start="00:14:56.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't really care to have them there.""" start="00:14:59.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Special org-roam-node-find""" start="00:15:02.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I have a special org-roam-node-find""" start="00:15:02.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is designed to find these in particular.""" start="00:15:06.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here these have 22. These are the amount of files""" start="00:15:13.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are currently in my reading list.""" start="00:15:16.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, let's try and press here.""" start="00:15:21.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And magically, this prompts me to select a capture template,""" start="00:15:29.900" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because what it's doing is that I selected this,""" start="00:15:33.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and because of the citekey, it knows""" start="00:15:39.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it wants to create a new node for that.""" start="00:15:42.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I select the capture template.""" start="00:15:46.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It knows that it wants to create this new node for this.""" start="00:15:47.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now, if I for a second close the reading list,""" start="00:15:56.100" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now I can already go ahead and take notes on this.""" start="00:16:01.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is org-noter, in particular,""" start="00:16:07.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it makes it all very easy""" start="00:16:09.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's all integrated in one place.""" start="00:16:11.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I then close this and open a new Emacs,""" start="00:16:15.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have this, and the reading list allows me to very quickly""" start="00:16:22.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go from this being reading this item to initializing it.""" start="00:16:27.940" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another thing that is very useful is that""" start="00:16:32.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything is sorted by priority.""" start="00:16:35.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I need to increase the font size again""" start="00:16:38.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I closed the previous Emacs.""" start="00:16:41.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, I can select what is high priority,""" start="00:16:48.900" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is low priority. I can also change the priority""" start="00:16:52.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without needing to be in this file.""" start="00:16:56.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's leave this file. I can say, okay, I decided""" start="00:16:58.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this file is priority B. It needs to be A,""" start="00:17:05.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is more urgent.""" start="00:17:08.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In my system, there's five different priority levels.""" start="00:17:11.900" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can get away with less""" start="00:17:16.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I like to have the very much low ones""" start="00:17:18.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as this is not urgent at all""" start="00:17:20.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I want to keep it somewhere. A is very urgent""" start="00:17:23.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and B is urgent but just below A.""" start="00:17:27.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the C in the middle is just""" start="00:17:31.780" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will eventually read this""" start="00:17:34.620" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not something I want to focus my attention on right now.""" start="00:17:36.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is mostly about reading list.""" start="00:17:41.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also show, for example,""" start="00:17:45.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have this if I finalize something,""" start="00:17:46.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I read it. For example, I created a note for this new thing.""" start="00:17:50.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I finished reading it.""" start="00:17:56.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to remove from my reading list.""" start="00:17:59.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also just one command and it's done.""" start="00:18:02.180" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Annotations""" start="00:18:05.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If we now return to the presentation,""" start="00:18:05.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last thing I want to show is annotations.""" start="00:18:08.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for annotations, it's the idea that sometimes""" start="00:18:11.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just need to find something in Ebib quickly.""" start="00:18:17.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm here and I'm looking for something.""" start="00:18:23.140" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I said I'm here and I'm looking for something.""" start="00:18:26.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you can see, there's the annote file everywhere,""" start="00:18:31.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the annote entry, which is a very very small description""" start="00:18:35.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of things that I want to remember for this paper.""" start="00:18:40.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can be scrolling here or scrolling""" start="00:18:43.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one of the smaller files""" start="00:18:48.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and saying this was in this subsection,""" start="00:18:51.812" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and which paper was it, and I can scroll,""" start="00:18:56.860" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read all these annotes.""" start="00:18:59.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each annote takes like 15 seconds to read,""" start="00:19:01.712" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and really decide, okay,""" start="00:19:04.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was this paper that I wanted, good.""" start="00:19:07.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I can open the note for it, go there, and it's very easy.""" start="00:19:09.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:19:21.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I think that's all. I would like to thank you for your time.""" start="00:19:21.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would love to see your questions either in IRC,""" start="00:19:25.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be, maybe I've already answered""" start="00:19:29.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of your questions there in the Etherpad,""" start="00:19:32.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or right now, we're going to the live Q&A""" start="00:19:35.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'd love to interact with everyone and have a discussion.""" start="00:19:37.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, if you don't have any questions right now,""" start="00:19:42.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you have a question later on, feel free to send me an email.""" start="00:19:44.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My mail is also on the site.""" start="00:19:48.560" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're curious how all this "magic" worked,""" start="00:19:51.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to go to my Github and see the ebib section""" start="00:19:54.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here that will also be linked in the doc page,""" start="00:20:00.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can see all the configuration""" start="00:20:04.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have done in Ebib for everything to work.""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again and have a wonderful EmacsConf!""" start="00:20:10.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sat-close-nav.md b/2025/info/sat-close-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5c247a9a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sat-close-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/graphics">Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sun-close">Sunday closing remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/sat-open-after.md b/2025/info/sat-open-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2b428ad8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sat-open-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sat-open-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tracks""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Welcome to EmacsConf, where we have fun""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exploring just how much we can do with a text editor.""" start="00:00:02.247" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:05.485" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:07.925" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:09.484" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:11.079" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:13.216" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Watching and participating""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:19.393" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:22.486" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:24.910" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:28.885" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:31.186" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:34.388" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also web-based players""" start="00:00:37.275" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case that's all you've got.""" start="00:00:39.241" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule shows the General track on top""" start="00:00:41.378" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Development track on the bottom,""" start="00:00:44.064" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can see what else is going on.""" start="00:00:45.603" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you're watching the talks,""" start="00:00:47.820" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can refer to the schedule in another window.""" start="00:00:49.819" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hover over the boxes to see the times and titles,""" start="00:00:52.355" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and click on the boxes in the schedule""" start="00:00:55.601" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the talk's page for more details.""" start="00:00:57.614" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other schedule formats""" start="00:01:00.607" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can also get the schedule as an iCalendar file""" start="00:01:00.607" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as an Org file in different time zones.""" start="00:01:03.587" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Org file has some links to talk resources""" start="00:01:05.621" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and might be handy 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Thank you!""" start="00:04:12.620" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Videos""" start="00:04:16.020" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If all goes well, the prerecorded talks and transcripts""" start="00:04:16.020" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be available from the talk pages""" start="00:04:18.892" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shortly after they start playing,""" start="00:04:20.538" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll post the recordings of live talks""" start="00:04:22.039" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Q&A sessions within the next few weeks.""" start="00:04:24.144" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Let's get started!""" start="00:04:26.776" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right, let's get going.""" start="00:04:26.776" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might see Leo Vivier, Corwin Brust,""" start="00:04:28.248" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Amin Bandali hosting the various tracks.""" start="00:04:31.215" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will run around mostly backstage,""" start="00:04:33.954" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you'll probably meet us in the closing remarks.""" start="00:04:35.768" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also where we get to thank""" start="00:04:37.794" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people and organizations""" start="00:04:39.244" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make EmacsConf possible.""" start="00:04:40.660" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's have fun at EmacsConf!""" start="00:04:42.550" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sat-open-nav.md b/2025/info/sat-open-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e7317183 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sat-open-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/org-babel">Making Org-Babel reactive</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/schemacs-after.md b/2025/info/schemacs-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..65fe55f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/schemacs-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,924 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="schemacs-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hi, EmacsConf 2025. My name is Ramin Honary,""" start="00:00:01.060" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd like to talk to you today""" start="00:00:05.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about my project called Schemacs""" start="00:00:07.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I presented last year.""" start="00:00:10.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Back then it was called "Gypsum"""" start="00:00:12.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the name has since changed.""" start="00:00:13.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my name is Ramin Honary.""" start="00:00:18.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm an Emacs enthusiast, have been since 2017 or so.""" start="00:00:20.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a full stack software developer.""" start="00:00:25.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love Haskell, Scheme,""" start="00:00:27.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything functional programming related,""" start="00:00:29.301" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course Emacs.""" start="00:00:31.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started learning Scheme about three years ago,""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is my third time presenting""" start="00:00:36.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:38.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the Schemacs project that I'm talking to,""" start="00:00:40.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm talking about to you today,""" start="00:00:46.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was originally called "Gypsum".""" start="00:00:48.160" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason I did not call it "Schemacs"""" start="00:00:50.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was that the name "Schemacs" was taken on GitHub.""" start="00:00:53.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the past year,""" start="00:00:58.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was able to get the permission""" start="00:00:59.568" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the author of GitHub's Schemacs""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project to name my project the same thing,""" start="00:01:04.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it's a very similar project.""" start="00:01:08.841" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I changed the name.""" start="00:01:11.321" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if I can quickly show the screen.""" start="00:01:14.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I have archived the old project.""" start="00:01:19.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's still there, but there's an explanation in""" start="00:01:24.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the readme file and a screen grab""" start="00:01:27.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the conversation I had""" start="00:01:30.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the original author of GitHub Schemacs.""" start="00:01:31.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My Schemacs is not on GitHub at all.""" start="00:01:36.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only on Codeberg. So please don't get confused.""" start="00:01:38.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yes, I received permission""" start="00:01:43.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to change the name and so I did.""" start="00:01:46.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I would like to give a quick shout-out to""" start="00:01:50.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""user "Tusharhero" for helping me with that.""" start="00:01:52.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This person really helped make that name change happen.""" start="00:01:57.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So back to the slides.""" start="00:02:02.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The scope of the project""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And so now I'd like to clarify the scope of the project.""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I quite made it clear""" start="00:02:11.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well enough last year,""" start="00:02:13.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but... Although I'm definitely cloning""" start="00:02:14.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Lisp programming language,""" start="00:02:18.401" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the actual scope of the Schemacs project""" start="00:02:20.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to make an Emacs-like app platform for Scheme.""" start="00:02:25.268" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't consider Emacs to be a text editor.""" start="00:02:29.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I consider Emacs to be a Lisp app platform.""" start="00:02:32.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's similar to something like the""" start="00:02:38.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""World Wide Web, or Microsoft's .NET app platform, or Java.""" start="00:02:39.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all examples of app platforms.""" start="00:02:48.540" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like Schemacs to make it easy""" start="00:02:52.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for not only people to use it for""" start="00:02:55.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like editing text or, you know, for""" start="00:02:59.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using your computer through a command line""" start="00:03:03.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or manipulating your Git repository.""" start="00:03:06.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd also like you to be able to create simple""" start="00:03:10.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GUIs or TUIs using Scheme.""" start="00:03:13.160" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's also one of the goals of this project.""" start="00:03:16.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will of course have an Emacs-like text editor,""" start="00:03:19.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will clone Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:03:23.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So hopefully GNU Emacs users""" start="00:03:25.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will feel comfortable moving over to Schemacs""" start="00:03:29.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they'll be able to use your init.""" start="00:03:32.780" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll be able to use your init.el file.""" start="00:03:35.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So configuring and scripting Schemacs""" start="00:03:40.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be done in Scheme.""" start="00:03:43.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to encourage scripting in Scheme""" start="00:03:44.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and creating new workflows and macros in Scheme.""" start="00:03:47.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will support Emacs Lisp depending on""" start="00:03:51.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much of the Emacs Lisp interpreter I can clone.""" start="00:03:54.268" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That will be supported but not encouraged.""" start="00:03:59.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you should still be able to run your init.el.""" start="00:04:03.040" 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Emacs,""" start="00:04:38.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the core of Emacs is written in C.""" start="00:04:41.581" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile, the core of Guile is written in C.""" start="00:04:44.201" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What Robin Templeton has done is, at the C level, linked""" start="00:04:48.121" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""libguile.so" into Emacs and then provided""" start="00:04:53.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a programming layer where you can""" start="00:04:56.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""call the Scheme interpreter from Emacs Lisp""" start="00:04:59.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can run Scheme programs from within Emacs""" start="00:05:04.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to launch a separate process""" start="00:05:11.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and communicate over a channel such as a socket.""" start="00:05:13.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You won't need "SLIME" or anything.""" start="00:05:18.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Guile interpreter is just right there inside of Emacs.""" start="00:05:19.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But my project is not like this at all.""" start="00:05:23.420" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Schemacs is written completely from the ground up""" start="00:05:26.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in R7RS-compliant Scheme. And because it's R7RS-compliant,""" start="00:05:28.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not bound to any one particular Scheme implementation,""" start="00:05:35.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although Guile is the reference implementation.""" start="00:05:38.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One goal of this project is to be able to run""" start="00:05:39.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Schemacs on any R7RS-compliant Scheme implementation.""" start="00:05:42.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Progress made since last year""" start="00:05:49.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The work that I've done this past year mostly is internal.""" start="00:05:49.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's not much that you can see on the surface.""" start="00:05:56.260" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the most... One of the most important things that I""" start="00:06:00.940" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did was I rewrote the parser in R7RS Scheme,""" start="00:06:04.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it no longer depends on""" start="00:06:06.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Guile regular expressions library.""" start="00:06:07.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The parser now also provides source locations,""" start="00:06:12.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if an error occurs in Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:06:14.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be a stack trace""" start="00:06:18.940" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will show you where in the source code""" start="00:06:20.568" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the error occured. This was not possible last year.""" start="00:06:23.634" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because it no longer depends on Guile,""" start="00:06:28.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can make it work on multiple Scheme implementations.""" start="00:06:30.861" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So far, I've been able to get it to run on""" start="00:06:34.521" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Chibi Scheme interpreter""" start="00:06:36.821" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Gauche Scheme interpreter, as well as""" start="00:06:38.921" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile, which is the reference implementation.""" start="00:06:41.281" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For a short time, it did work also on Chez Scheme,""" start="00:06:44.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Chez Scheme compiler, using Gwen Weinholt's "Akku,"""" start="00:06:48.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a program that translates R7RS Scheme to R6RS Scheme.""" start="00:06:53.180" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with that translation, because Chez Scheme""" start="00:06:59.300" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pretty strictly an R6RS compiler,""" start="00:07:04.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the translation allows you to run R7RS programs.""" start="00:07:07.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But due to some change, I'm not sure where,""" start="00:07:11.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it may have been changed in the Schemacs source code,""" start="00:07:15.220" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or it may have been a change to Akku,""" start="00:07:17.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it no longer builds on Chez.""" start="00:07:19.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It did at one point. I'd like to try to fix that.""" start="00:07:21.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Portable React-like GUI""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second most important thing that I've worked on is a""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""portable React-like GUI. And so React,""" start="00:07:30.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for anyone who has done web programming,""" start="00:07:36.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a very popular framework for programming web applications.""" start="00:07:41.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I've provided something""" start="00:07:46.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very similar to that in Scheme now.""" start="00:07:48.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it works. I have constructed a DOM data structure""" start="00:07:49.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Scheme. It's just an ordinary Scheme data structure.""" start="00:07:54.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works like the web's "Document Object Model"""" start="00:07:59.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the "DOM" data structure.""" start="00:08:01.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this Scheme DOM data structure can be rendered""" start="00:08:03.961" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using any GUI framework that is convenient""" start="00:08:10.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Scheme implementation that you're targeting.""" start="00:08:13.060" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you should be able to implement""" start="00:08:16.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also rendering to a CLI as well.""" start="00:08:18.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The current reference implementation""" start="00:08:22.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is using a framework called Guile-GI.""" start="00:08:24.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the "GObject Introspection" framework.""" start="00:08:27.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a very simple""" start="00:08:30.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GObject Introspection framework for Guile,""" start="00:08:31.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it binds to GTK3 on Linux.""" start="00:08:36.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a similar framework called G-Golf""" start="00:08:40.980" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I'd like to begin using as well, also for Guile.""" start="00:08:42.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""G-Golf seems to be a bit more well-maintained, a bit...""" start="00:08:48.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has better features. G-Golf may be a""" start="00:08:53.740" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""better rendering backend for the reference""" start="00:08:57.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementation, but I would like to provide both.""" start="00:09:00.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:09:06.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I will give a demo of this now.""" start="00:09:06.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately not a whole lot""" start="00:09:07.934" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see compared to last year.""" start="00:09:13.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First thing I'd like to show is""" start="00:09:18.140" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I now have a Makefile. You can look inside""" start="00:09:20.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this Makefile and if you're able to read a Makefile,""" start="00:09:24.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see that I have several targets now available.""" start="00:09:28.401" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can build Schemacs for Guile,""" start="00:09:31.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can build Schemacs for Gambit,""" start="00:09:35.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Stklos, or Chicken, or Chez,""" start="00:09:36.668" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although none of these (except for Guile)""" start="00:09:40.334" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently works. These targets will actually""" start="00:09:42.901" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""build the source code, but then you would have to""" start="00:09:51.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load it into the REPL separately.""" start="00:09:56.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are targets for launching""" start="00:09:59.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Gauche REPL and a Chibi REPL.""" start="00:10:02.468" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also run the Emacs Lisp tests""" start="00:10:06.468" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Gauche and Chibi.""" start="00:10:10.868" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also start a Guile REPL through this Makefile.""" start="00:10:13.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will do that right now in the shell.""" start="00:10:19.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(...make the text larger...there we go...)""" start="00:10:27.500" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, so we have this directory of the source code.""" start="00:10:31.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's just begin by running "guile.sh".""" start="00:10:38.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will launch a REPL and you can load "main-guile".""" start="00:10:44.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will launch the GUI. This is the basic""" start="00:10:52.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proof of concept GUI that uses Guile-GI.""" start="00:10:59.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it may be hard to see.""" start="00:11:04.801" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot change the size of the text yet.""" start="00:11:10.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've implemented the M-: feature""" start="00:11:14.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can eval in a minibuffer some Scheme code.""" start="00:11:17.334" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(string-append "hello" ...)""" start="00:11:24.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It outputs the result in the buffer.""" start="00:11:34.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is basically the "\*Messages\*" buffer.""" start="00:11:38.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's all the more that I have.""" start="00:11:40.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the same state it was in last year.""" start="00:11:42.620" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It hasn't changed a whole lot since back then.""" start="00:11:45.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Additional changes""" start="00:11:48.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But I have made additional changes.""" start="00:11:48.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So first of all, you can run""" start="00:11:52.820" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(let me just go back into the Guile)... you can""" start="00:12:05.380" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run the Emacs Lisp interpreter tests, so "elisp-tests".""" start="00:12:10.201" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, it gives you a stack trace.""" start="00:12:16.620" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is an error that I've been able to reproduce.""" start="00:12:18.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know exactly what the cause of this error is.""" start="00:12:22.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not finding a variable""" start="00:12:24.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the closure is not correctly""" start="00:12:27.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capturing its environment. So there should be a variable""" start="00:12:30.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the closure, but that variable has not been captured""" start="00:12:35.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it is causing an error.""" start="00:12:38.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is currently loading "byte-run.el".""" start="00:12:43.460" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you what code that is here.""" start="00:12:48.081" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've copied into the source repository""" start="00:12:49.821" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Schemacs some of the Elisp code from GNU Emacs.""" start="00:12:53.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have this "subr.el".""" start="00:12:58.761" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This declares most of the core of Emacs Lisp""" start="00:13:04.421" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's not written in C.""" start="00:13:09.861" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also "byte-run.el". Schemacs Emacs Lisp can now""" start="00:13:12.861" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""evaluate this. This is where functions like "defun" are""" start="00:13:19.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined, and "defmacro". So as you can see,""" start="00:13:24.380" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defun itself is a defmacro defined right here.""" start="00:13:28.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written in Emacs Lisp itself,""" start="00:13:30.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined in terms of defalias.""" start="00:13:34.860" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can evaluate "byte-run",""" start="00:13:37.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can evaluate "macroexp",""" start="00:13:40.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the failure occurs somewhere in "subr.el".""" start="00:13:42.740" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although if you look at the stack trace,""" start="00:13:46.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't provide all the necessary information.""" start="00:13:48.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it appears to be happening in byte-run.el.""" start="00:13:51.160" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really, it's an error that's occurring inside of a macro,""" start="00:13:56.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the macro call site is somewhere in subr.el.""" start="00:14:00.620" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, take note of this stack trace.""" start="00:14:05.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was run from within Guile.""" start="00:14:08.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other Scheme implementations""" start="00:14:12.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now what I've done this past year""" start="00:14:12.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is make it work on other Scheme implementations.""" start="00:14:14.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use "make" to launch a Gauche REPL.""" start="00:14:19.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm inside of Gauche.""" start="00:14:23.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the command that""" start="00:14:26.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would use to launch a Gauche REPL.""" start="00:14:27.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can load the same program (load "elisp-tests.scm").""" start="00:14:30.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You get the exact same result as Guile.""" start="00:14:38.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have two different Scheme implementations""" start="00:14:42.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""producing the same result.""" start="00:14:45.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try "make" a Chibi REPL. This is Chibi Scheme.""" start="00:14:46.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can (load "elisp-tests.scm").""" start="00:14:53.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Chibi is a bit slower, but you get the exact same result.""" start="00:15:00.220" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have three different Scheme implementations""" start="00:15:04.081" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all running Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:15:07.401" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all producing the same result.""" start="00:15:11.540" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's...""" start="00:15:14.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm fairly proud of that accomplishment.""" start="00:15:14.768" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was able to get the code written to the point""" start="00:15:17.100" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where it actually runs on multiple implementations.""" start="00:15:21.201" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also try making it for other Scheme compilers""" start="00:15:24.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like "schemacs-mitscheme" for example,""" start="00:15:30.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this will fail.""" start="00:15:35.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can try building it for "schemacs-chez",""" start="00:15:40.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try Chez... there we go.""" start="00:15:46.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it will use Akku,""" start="00:15:51.801" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will fetch the necessary dependencies.""" start="00:15:54.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it fails, and I haven't been able to""" start="00:15:58.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debug that quite yet.""" start="00:16:03.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stklos fails for a similar reason.""" start="00:16:05.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gambit... Chicken still doesn't build all the way yet.""" start="00:16:13.140" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Makefile at least has places for it.""" start="00:16:21.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If anyone can help me out and get Schemacs to compile""" start="00:16:27.121" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on these other Scheme implementations,""" start="00:16:30.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd appreciate it.""" start="00:16:32.734" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can probably figure it out myself,""" start="00:16:34.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that will take more time.""" start="00:16:35.468" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let me just show you quickly""" start="00:16:37.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the test program.""" start="00:16:40.121" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically this is the Emacs Lisp test program""" start="00:16:41.721" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I was just running, and it produces an error.""" start="00:16:44.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All it does is it loads these files here in this order,""" start="00:16:48.581" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it fails right around here.""" start="00:16:53.221" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's able to load these two.""" start="00:16:55.181" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, that's what I've accomplished""" start="00:16:58.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Emacs Lisp side of things.""" start="00:17:01.361" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""GUI framework""" start="00:17:06.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next thing I want to show you is the GUI framework""" start="00:17:06.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've written, which I'm fairly proud of so far.""" start="00:17:09.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the GUI framework""" start="00:17:13.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(oops, I better launch it again, OK...)""" start="00:17:15.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me show you the tests.""" start="00:17:19.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here in the tests, you can start to see""" start="00:17:22.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some examples of how you use it.""" start="00:17:25.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here is a "counter" test, and this is kind of like""" start="00:17:29.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the "hello world" of reactive programming frameworks,""" start="00:17:31.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you have a state variable,""" start="00:17:35.941" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes called an "observable."""" start="00:17:38.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm calling it "number",""" start="00:17:41.660" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it uses "=" to check if the state has updated.""" start="00:17:43.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If an update occurs and the new value is different""" start="00:17:49.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the old value according to the "=" function,""" start="00:17:52.821" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then trigger a state update in the GUI as well.""" start="00:17:55.033" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Initialize to 0, bound to "number".""" start="00:17:59.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a "button" function which creates a simple button.""" start="00:18:03.100" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It takes a label and an action.""" start="00:18:06.133" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right here you see the "div" command.""" start="00:18:07.833" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what creates a "div".""" start="00:18:10.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using the properties, I describe that this div is a""" start="00:18:13.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""push-button and the "on-button-push" is an action.""" start="00:18:19.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The action is to update the variable "number"""" start="00:18:22.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using whatever function or lambda was provided to it.""" start="00:18:25.266" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the content that you see on screen,""" start="00:18:30.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you will see on screen when it runs,""" start="00:18:31.966" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is here. You create a "div-pack cut-vertical".""" start="00:18:34.034" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You declare two buttons and then you declare""" start="00:18:38.668" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this "use-vars" which will take the content""" start="00:18:43.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this variable here, this observable,""" start="00:18:46.801" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and place it into the GUI next to the buttons here.""" start="00:18:48.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what you will see on screen is""" start="00:18:51.734" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a "plus" button which increments,""" start="00:18:54.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is the "increment" function,""" start="00:18:57.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a "minus" button which decrements,""" start="00:18:59.321" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the content of the variable that is""" start="00:19:02.780" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being incremented and decremented.""" start="00:19:05.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The advantage of these reactive frameworks is that""" start="00:19:09.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with very few lines of code""" start="00:19:11.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can create fairly complex interfaces.""" start="00:19:13.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The less code you have to write,""" start="00:19:16.033" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the fewer chances you have to make mistakes.""" start="00:19:18.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just run this program.""" start="00:19:21.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was the "counter-test."""" start="00:19:23.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is the debug window. Here's the "counter."""" start="00:19:33.293" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry it's not much larger than this.""" start="00:19:35.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But here's the "plus" button, the "minus" button,""" start="00:19:38.453" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and here's the "number", 0.""" start="00:19:41.133" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can increment or decrement as much as I like.""" start="00:19:43.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's kind of the hello world""" start="00:19:49.793" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of reactive programming. (I'll reboot the REPL...)""" start="00:19:51.101" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next thing I want to show you is this layout test.""" start="00:19:55.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll just run the test first.""" start="00:19:58.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have basically""" start="00:20:02.193" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a tiling window manager kind of thing,""" start="00:20:05.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can resize the tiles""" start="00:20:08.540" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then by clicking on these buttons here,""" start="00:20:11.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can change the layout.""" start="00:20:12.934" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can do two on the right,""" start="00:20:16.940" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two up above, or three up above. So, yeah.""" start="00:20:20.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those tiling windows, as you can see,""" start="00:20:27.101" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once I work this branch into the main branch of Schemacs,""" start="00:20:30.268" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can use that to implement""" start="00:20:33.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the split window functionality for Schemacs,""" start="00:20:35.274" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the editor. So here's what this split...""" start="00:20:38.266" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's the layout test that you just saw.""" start="00:20:42.466" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me make it a bit smaller""" start="00:20:44.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it all fits on one screen.""" start="00:20:46.733" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically we have the "button" command again,""" start="00:20:48.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then these are the button actions""" start="00:20:51.366" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which basically just changes the layout,""" start="00:20:54.133" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I have the layout. So this layout is a "div."""" start="00:20:57.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first div just places three buttons in a row.""" start="00:21:01.460" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next layout is a div within a div.""" start="00:21:04.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have one div which places the button""" start="00:21:07.533" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called "two right" buttons, and the div above it,""" start="00:21:13.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which places the "three in a row" button""" start="00:21:18.633" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the "two above" buttons.""" start="00:21:21.493" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here's the next... So there's three different""" start="00:21:22.661" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""layouts, and clicking on one of their associated buttons""" start="00:21:26.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will just change the layout.""" start="00:21:30.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, very little code""" start="00:21:32.101" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to create a somewhat complex user interface.""" start="00:21:33.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the advantage of using reactive or declarative""" start="00:21:38.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""UI programming paradigms.""" start="00:21:42.868" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, this has not been merged into Schemacs""" start="00:21:44.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time of this recording,""" start="00:21:47.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but will be soon hopefully.""" start="00:21:48.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:21:51.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So yeah, I think I've already gone on for 20 minutes.""" start="00:21:51.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I guess I'll just end my presentation here.""" start="00:21:55.166" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have lots more to talk about.""" start="00:21:59.140" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I will say one last thing before I go:""" start="00:22:00.466" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I would very much like for others""" start="00:22:03.980" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try and contribute to this project.""" start="00:22:07.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will do my best to try and help teach anybody""" start="00:22:09.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or work with anybody, especially even""" start="00:22:14.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you don't have much experience with Scheme.""" start="00:22:16.833" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to help everybody try to contribute.""" start="00:22:18.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically I want to get this proof of concept working.""" start="00:22:22.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to get a stable user interface up and running,""" start="00:22:26.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we can start working on""" start="00:22:30.674" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improving the Emacs Lisp interpreter all together.""" start="00:22:33.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are close to 1,400 built-in functions""" start="00:22:36.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which need to be implemented.""" start="00:22:41.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't need to get all of them""" start="00:22:43.660" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to be able to run probably most of ELPA,""" start="00:22:44.966" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as much as possible.""" start="00:22:48.466" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We would like to clone Emacs Lisp and I need help.""" start="00:22:50.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So get a hold of me. My project is on Codeberg.""" start="00:22:54.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, (oh, I can't show this here),""" start="00:23:02.580" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I will end it there. Thank you for listening.""" start="00:23:06.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="schemacs-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[oops, forgot to start] object protocol has a scheme implementation.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does this mean schemacs will be""" start="00:00:03.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meta object changeable in practice?""" start="00:00:07.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't actually need the meta object protocol so far.""" start="00:00:11.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the reference implementation for Guile,""" start="00:00:16.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile has its own object-oriented system called Goops.""" start="00:00:19.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I'm hearing a delay.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, I'm going to turn off my stream quick. There we go.""" start="00:00:29.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, um. Yes, uh, I, I don't I wasn't aware of the, um.""" start="00:00:32.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the meta-object protocol that you have mentioned here,""" start="00:00:39.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I will look into it.""" start="00:00:43.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that there isn't really a standard""" start="00:00:45.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meta-object protocol for Scheme.""" start="00:00:48.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was an issue for me""" start="00:00:52.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm trying to make this cross-platform,""" start="00:00:53.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so I've done all of my work so far""" start="00:00:56.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without a meta-object protocol""" start="00:00:59.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's the easiest way to make it work""" start="00:01:00.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on multiple Scheme implementations.""" start="00:01:02.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if there is a nice portable one""" start="00:01:04.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works on many implementations, I would use that, yes.""" start="00:01:07.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that so far it hasn't been necessary.""" start="00:01:12.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been doing mostly functional reactive programming""" start="00:01:15.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and React.js-like framework.""" start="00:01:19.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've created that for the GUI front end.""" start="00:01:21.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's all the more I've needed so far.""" start="00:01:23.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah. Oh, yeah, please, next question. Sure.""" start="00:01:26.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how will the GUI display code be R7RS compliant?""" start="00:01:33.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As far as I know, there's no DL open in R7RS. That's right.""" start="00:01:39.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, R7RS small is extremely small""" start="00:01:45.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and does not have any features at all.""" start="00:01:48.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it does provide a conv expand macro.""" start="00:01:50.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this allows you to load in different code""" start="00:01:54.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on which scheme implementation you're using.""" start="00:01:57.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, I'll have to write a different back end""" start="00:02:00.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for each scheme implementation.""" start="00:02:03.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think that's really""" start="00:02:05.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the only way is possible at all,""" start="00:02:06.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's no standardization.""" start="00:02:10.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So essentially, the libraries""" start="00:02:12.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've written for schemacs""" start="00:02:14.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will become kind of a platform-independent way""" start="00:02:15.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of writing GUIs for Scheme.""" start="00:02:22.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a matter of,""" start="00:02:25.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will your Scheme implementation""" start="00:02:27.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""support the Schemacs GUI protocol?""" start="00:02:28.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've kind of written my own protocol,""" start="00:02:32.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's entirely R7 RSML compliant.""" start="00:02:34.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all done with record,""" start="00:02:36.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what are they called, record types.""" start="00:02:38.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think some of the Schemacs""" start="00:02:43.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could be extracted into SFRIs since you've made it portable""" start="00:02:46.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between scheme implementations?""" start="00:02:50.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I would definitely like to do that.""" start="00:02:52.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably first thing I'll do is start splitting up""" start="00:02:55.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and publishing independent libraries""" start="00:02:59.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Aku package manager.""" start="00:03:01.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a kind of a package manager ecosystem for Scheme,""" start="00:03:04.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in particular R7RS Scheme.""" start="00:03:07.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's also mirrored on the other package manager,""" start="00:03:11.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Snowfort, just by the way.""" start="00:03:15.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, and then I might be also,""" start="00:03:18.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've considered creating a SRFI for the lens library,""" start="00:03:21.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is based on the Haskell lens library.""" start="00:03:25.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think that exists yet in Scheme,""" start="00:03:27.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I thought that might make a good SRFI.""" start="00:03:29.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there a recommended Scheme implementation?""" start="00:03:34.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile is the reference implementation.""" start="00:03:36.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the only one that works with GUI,""" start="00:03:44.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as I demonstrated in my presentation,""" start="00:03:47.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Lisp interpreter""" start="00:03:51.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""works on multiple schemes so far,""" start="00:03:52.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've had trouble with some of the scheme compilers.""" start="00:03:55.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I would recommend Guile.""" start="00:04:00.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But how would schemacs deal with""" start="00:04:04.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs's re-display architecture""" start="00:04:07.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be having its own display architecture?""" start="00:04:10.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if so, how will you handle""" start="00:04:13.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like overlays and images?""" start="00:04:15.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, definitely. That's to be determined.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, the scheme way of doing things""" start="00:04:25.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I've created this React-like programming framework.""" start="00:04:31.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like ReactJS or Vue.js.""" start="00:04:36.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is just the API of how you write GUI code in Scheme.""" start="00:04:41.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And each Scheme implementation""" start="00:04:45.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will have its own GUI backend,""" start="00:04:49.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which implements that Protocol.""" start="00:04:52.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so when it comes time to link""" start="00:04:55.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Lisp built-in functions""" start="00:04:59.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that do these things like overlays and so on,""" start="00:05:03.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to have to come up with some way""" start="00:05:08.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of modeling that""" start="00:05:11.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the scheme framework that I've designed.""" start="00:05:12.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I may have to make alterations""" start="00:05:15.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specifically to support Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:05:17.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know yet. I haven't got that far.""" start="00:05:22.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You were saying that you would like""" start="00:05:28.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the most out of the 1300""" start="00:05:30.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and something Emacs packages that exist.""" start="00:05:33.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there technical blockers to doing them all""" start="00:05:36.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just a problem of getting enough people to jump into it?""" start="00:05:38.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's just a matter of implementing enough""" start="00:05:44.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the Emacs built-in functions.""" start="00:05:48.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, there's kind of a big bug.""" start="00:05:50.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mentioned this also in the presentation.""" start="00:05:57.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The stacks trace that you saw during my presentation,""" start="00:05:59.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is the biggest bug right now""" start="00:06:02.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's preventing me from running most other code.""" start="00:06:05.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't think other people""" start="00:06:08.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be able to contribute to the code base""" start="00:06:10.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until I get that bug fixed,""" start="00:06:13.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it doesn't capture closures correctly.""" start="00:06:14.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't behave like Emacs Lisp does,""" start="00:06:18.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's the big problem.""" start="00:06:22.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once I get that worked out,""" start="00:06:26.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it's just a matter of implementing enough""" start="00:06:31.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the EmacsLisp built-in functions,""" start="00:06:35.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are the functions that are mostly implemented in C,""" start="00:06:37.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementing those in Scheme.""" start="00:06:40.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that, yeah, that's the thing""" start="00:06:42.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to need a lot of help with""" start="00:06:45.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's quite a few of those APIs.""" start="00:06:47.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I imagine, I have no idea, no way of knowing,""" start="00:06:49.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I imagine we don't need 100% of them""" start="00:06:53.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to run most of Elpa.""" start="00:06:56.460" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We probably can get some of the important large Elpa packages""" start="00:06:58.168" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Magit and Org mode with just enough of the Emacs Lisp""" start="00:07:05.085" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built-in functions to handle that.""" start="00:07:12.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we won't really know until we've tried.""" start="00:07:14.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I'll try to get this bug fixed right away.""" start="00:07:19.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That way we can all start working on it together, hopefully.""" start="00:07:22.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Highly relatable answer there.""" start="00:07:24.980" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll burn that bridge when we're on it or something.""" start="00:07:27.127" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What are your thoughts on chicken scheme?""" start="00:07:31.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Will that be a good fit? Do you think?""" start="00:07:34.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it will be, um, I, I did show""" start="00:07:37.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to run chicken scheme in my, um, presentation""" start="00:07:41.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, uh, I ran up against some kind of issue,""" start="00:07:44.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I really don't know how to debug.""" start="00:07:48.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, it's probably something to do with the, uh, pattern matcher.""" start="00:07:51.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I'm using the pattern matcher,""" start="00:07:55.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, written by Alex shin,""" start="00:07:58.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which seems to be the most portable.""" start="00:08:00.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pattern matcher, uh, for our seven RS scheme.""" start="00:08:02.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But not all scheme compilers implement, what is it called?""" start="00:08:05.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The macro, I can't remember what it's called.""" start="00:08:13.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the macro expansion system for R7 RS small.""" start="00:08:19.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of these scheme implementations""" start="00:08:24.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seem to have a slightly different take on how they work.""" start="00:08:27.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so that macro expander has been, for pattern matching,""" start="00:08:29.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been the biggest difficulty""" start="00:08:33.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in making this code portable.""" start="00:08:35.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I'm thinking of ways of maybe trying to ditch pattern matching,""" start="00:08:37.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's such a useful feature and it's hard.""" start="00:08:42.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't know, we'll see if I can,""" start="00:08:45.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if somebody can help me get it to work on chicken team,""" start="00:08:49.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd really appreciate it.""" start="00:08:52.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can this implementation be used by Guile's Emacs Lisp mode?""" start="00:08:56.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile's Emacs list mode. Okay. Yeah, good question.""" start="00:09:01.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did mention this last year in my presentation.""" start="00:09:08.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs list in Guile is totally different""" start="00:09:10.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from what I've done.""" start="00:09:13.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That implementation was written about 10 or 15 years ago.""" start="00:09:16.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember exactly when. It is quite incomplete.""" start="00:09:21.293" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it even runs most of the macro expanding code.""" start="00:09:26.502" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of the code that is written""" start="00:09:36.543" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for GNU Emacs in Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:09:39.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where GNU Emacs is initializing itself,""" start="00:09:42.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can't even get the first file in that code.""" start="00:09:45.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It hasn't been touched in 10 or 15 years.""" start="00:09:51.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Initially, when I first started this project,""" start="00:09:53.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using the parser""" start="00:09:57.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Guile's Emacs Lisp implementation,""" start="00:09:59.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it didn't give me things like source locations,""" start="00:10:02.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I had to rewrite that. And also, it wasn't portable.""" start="00:10:05.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, because I want it to be portable,""" start="00:10:10.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's necessarily going to be not reliant""" start="00:10:14.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on anything that's inside of the Guile library,""" start="00:10:16.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including the Emacs LISP interpreter that's there.""" start="00:10:19.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe I could replace the Emacs LISP interpreter in Guile""" start="00:10:21.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if Andy Wingo would be interested. All right.""" start="00:10:24.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I see we've got a few people""" start="00:10:29.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that did jump into the BBB.""" start="00:10:31.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to quickly, oops.""" start="00:10:34.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quickly try to make my text a little bigger""" start="00:10:37.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can read a question that came here.""" start="00:10:40.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wonder if we can do some sort of pragmatic analysis""" start="00:10:42.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on popular Emacs packages""" start="00:10:48.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see what list of functions they tend to depend on""" start="00:10:49.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while a function calls down to the lower level.""" start="00:10:52.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that would be good.""" start="00:10:54.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody please do that for me. Awesome.""" start="00:10:57.210" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody's raising their hand. Divya.""" start="00:11:02.252" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Yeah, can you hear me?""" start="00:11:05.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I can. Yeah, go ahead. Hello, thank you.""" start="00:11:08.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, this is really awesome.""" start="00:11:12.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Guile, and I love Guile,""" start="00:11:14.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I also love functional programming,""" start="00:11:16.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is really nice that you took""" start="00:11:18.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the declarative approach.""" start="00:11:21.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing that I'm interested in is,""" start="00:11:22.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you also considering Racket in the scheme group?""" start="00:11:26.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I know a lot of people do not consider Racket""" start="00:11:29.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a sort of scheme thing, because it grew out of it.""" start="00:11:32.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think you'll take something from Racket?""" start="00:11:36.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I think Racket has""" start="00:11:39.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of good ideas that can be used.""" start="00:11:42.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I briefly looked at Racket's GUI library,""" start="00:11:44.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's very, very heavily dependent""" start="00:11:48.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Racket's macro expander,""" start="00:11:51.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, well, yeah, the macro expander""" start="00:11:53.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is extremely complex for Racket,""" start="00:11:57.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't think it's possible to port it to any other scheme,""" start="00:11:59.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as I know. But Racket is based on SheaScheme.""" start="00:12:02.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I am making an effort to port my code to Shea's scheme.""" start="00:12:07.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mentioned this earlier,""" start="00:12:14.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's the Gwen Weinholdt Aku system,""" start="00:12:18.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which allows you to translate R7RS to R6RS.""" start="00:12:22.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And since Shea is an R6RS compiler,""" start="00:12:25.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did at one point get the Emacs Lisp interpreter""" start="00:12:28.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to compile for Shea,""" start="00:12:33.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although I think There's been a change""" start="00:12:34.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either to Aku or somewhere in my own code base.""" start="00:12:38.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't build anymore, and I'm not sure why.""" start="00:12:40.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I would also very much like to run this on Che.""" start="00:12:42.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I guess in that sense, we'll be able to work on Racket as well.""" start="00:12:47.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also one other option.""" start="00:12:54.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alexis King has written an R7RS language package for Racket.""" start="00:12:56.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have not yet tried.""" start="00:13:03.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running my package on R7RS for Racket.""" start="00:13:05.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that would be something interesting.""" start="00:13:08.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I would like to try that.""" start="00:13:11.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it'll be interesting.""" start="00:13:12.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have some experience with chairs.""" start="00:13:13.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, uh, if I can find some time,""" start="00:13:15.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll, I'll, I'll certainly like to, I would appreciate.""" start="00:13:17.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.""" start="00:13:21.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another question I have is, like,""" start="00:13:24.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what exactly is sort of, like, the, the approach is that""" start="00:13:26.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll 1st want to do the interpreter""" start="00:13:29.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have enough list functions.""" start="00:13:31.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, getting the max list functions""" start="00:13:33.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreted or interpretable.""" start="00:13:36.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then go for GUI or do you want""" start="00:13:38.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to sort of like go hand in hand""" start="00:13:41.000" 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I do anticipate""" start="00:16:05.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's going to be fairly challenging.""" start="00:16:08.002" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all Turing-complete,""" start="00:16:09.877" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I imagine we're probably going to end up""" start="00:16:14.585" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating something like an emulator""" start="00:16:17.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Emacs Lisp display architecture in Scheme""" start="00:16:21.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will somehow translate down""" start="00:16:24.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the React-like protocol that I've written.""" start="00:16:27.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I don't I haven't that's nice.""" start="00:16:30.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, this is this is very exciting. 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Oh Yes, it is.""" start="00:16:32.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'm glad so like a lot of people have told me""" start="00:16:36.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they really Are excited to see this project""" start="00:16:39.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this really helps me""" start="00:16:41.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know keep focused on this project""" start="00:16:42.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because a lot of people are very interested.""" start="00:16:46.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So It's so I'd like to move on""" start="00:16:48.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a couple of questions from the past.""" start="00:16:50.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're starting to build up a good backlog.""" start="00:16:52.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for that. 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Okay, next question.""" start="00:19:17.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there performance concerns""" start="00:19:21.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with implementing certain C primitives in PeerScheme?""" start="00:19:23.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So who is it? The famous computer scientist that said""" start="00:19:28.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""premature optimization is the root of all evil.""" start="00:19:32.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it was the guy who invented the A star algorithm.""" start="00:19:35.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""His name escapes me at the minute.""" start="00:19:39.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I'm not concerned about performance yet,""" start="00:19:42.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although most of the scheme compilers that I have seen,""" start="00:19:49.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially Shea and Gambit""" start="00:19:52.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have extremely good performance characteristics.""" start="00:19:57.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I think there won't be""" start="00:20:02.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too much difficulty with performance,""" start="00:20:03.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even implementing some of the C stuff.""" start="00:20:05.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And besides, a lot of the GUI stuff""" start="00:20:08.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is already written in C anyway.""" start="00:20:10.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, it would be cool""" start="00:20:12.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we had a scheme GUI library""" start="00:20:14.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that painted to a canvas,""" start="00:20:16.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe for a Wayland implementation or something.""" start="00:20:18.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I don't know. It's not a concern for me, performance.""" start="00:20:21.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, there are a few more questions. I do want to mention""" start="00:20:29.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the stream has cut away at this point,""" start="00:20:32.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we're still recording live.""" start="00:20:33.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of this will be put up on the website""" start="00:20:36.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so on like that.""" start="00:20:38.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I appreciate all the enthusiastic questions""" start="00:20:40.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're kind of tanking through them all.""" start="00:20:44.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Me too. I love how many questions I'm getting.""" start="00:20:47.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very encouraging""" start="00:20:52.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it really makes me want to keep on working on it.""" start="00:20:54.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's great.""" start="00:20:56.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm so glad to hear that because that's exactly the message""" start="00:20:56.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you should be receiving.""" start="00:21:00.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a fantastic project. Thank you so much.""" start="00:21:01.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just say so myself. If the project is successful,""" start="00:21:04.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you worried about a possible split in the community""" start="00:21:08.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between Schemacs and GNU Emacs?""" start="00:21:11.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I have thought about that.""" start="00:21:15.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really don't know what's going to happen.""" start="00:21:18.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There seems to be already a huge demand""" start="00:21:24.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a scheme-based, a modern scheme-based editor.""" start="00:21:26.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, the Edwin scheme for MIT scheme""" start="00:21:30.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hasn't been touched since like 1987 or something,""" start="00:21:33.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe 1993 or, but anyway.""" start="00:21:37.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There seems to be huge demand.""" start="00:21:41.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I guess a lot of people""" start="00:21:43.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are currently using GNU Emacs""" start="00:21:45.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will probably just switch over""" start="00:21:47.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they've been wanting""" start="00:21:49.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like this for a very long time.""" start="00:21:50.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, I mean, is that going to cause fragmentation?""" start="00:21:53.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it really a big deal, though?""" start="00:21:56.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, it's all GPL-licensed code.""" start="00:21:58.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I think a rising tide raises all the ships at the same time.""" start="00:22:02.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, also, the last thing I want to say about that""" start="00:22:08.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is I would like to contribute some of what I do in Schemacs""" start="00:22:13.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back into GNU Emacs, if I can. So, for example, I'm going""" start="00:22:19.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be working on like a canvas library""" start="00:22:24.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can have interactive canvases""" start="00:22:25.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you know you can actually like draw pictures""" start="00:22:27.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put things with the mouse and drag things around.""" start="00:22:30.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was thinking you know""" start="00:22:33.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if if I can figure out how that works""" start="00:22:36.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe I can write something like that for Emacs""" start="00:22:37.668" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or GNU Emacs using the Cairo library, you know,""" start="00:22:41.918" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SVG rendering library that they have.""" start="00:22:47.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, if I have time,""" start="00:22:49.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to continue contributing to GNU Emacs as well.""" start="00:22:51.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, what was the name of the library you mentioned?""" start="00:22:55.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, Cairo, like Cairo.""" start="00:22:57.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, Cairo, yeah. Absolutely. I spelled that poorly.""" start="00:23:01.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The dream of never needing to change to the web browser.""" start="00:23:07.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Would schemacs bring us closer to that? I hope so.""" start="00:23:12.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also a dream of mine.""" start="00:23:18.377" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The part of the reason why I wanted to work, you know,""" start="00:23:21.710" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sure I had a really good workable GUI framework""" start="00:23:26.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is so that I could, you know,""" start="00:23:31.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we could write apps like, you know,""" start="00:23:32.627" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they have a mastodon client written in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:23:34.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be so nice to have this, you know,""" start="00:23:38.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a really nice Mastodon client""" start="00:23:42.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was right inside of, you know, our scheme environment""" start="00:23:43.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we were doing our text editing and other stuff.""" start="00:23:47.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've always wanted something like that,""" start="00:23:50.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or it would be cool to have""" start="00:23:52.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just a slightly nicer GUI for Magit.""" start="00:23:53.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, I mean, like, yeah, being able to avoid the web entirely""" start="00:23:56.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just be able to like, you know, do social networking""" start="00:24:04.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do your GitHub stuff,""" start="00:24:08.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything from within Emacs or Schemacs in this case,""" start="00:24:11.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a dream of mine as well.""" start="00:24:14.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I hope that that's where we end up in a couple of years.""" start="00:24:16.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The sooner the better. Anything, just double checking.""" start="00:24:20.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anything specific other than minimalism""" start="00:24:30.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made you choose Scheme over Commonwealth?""" start="00:24:33.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, it's kind of a philosophical question.""" start="00:24:35.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a couple of things. First of all, it was a conversation""" start="00:24:40.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had with William Byrd,""" start="00:24:45.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he's a guy who makes the Mini Conran framework for Scheme.""" start="00:24:47.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was his PhD thesis.""" start="00:24:50.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He worked with, I'm sorry, I just can't remember his name.""" start="00:24:52.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He worked at the University of Indiana.""" start="00:24:57.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another famous Scheme or Lisp person was there.""" start="00:24:59.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Friedman, Dan Friedman was his advisor.""" start="00:25:03.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, big name in Lisp.""" start="00:25:06.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so I was talking with William Byrd,""" start="00:25:09.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm a huge Haskell fan,""" start="00:25:12.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he told me why he didn't like Haskell at all,""" start="00:25:14.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and kind of convinced me to try Scheme out.""" start="00:25:16.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I really like about Scheme is,""" start="00:25:19.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, like you said, the minimalism,""" start="00:25:22.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's more that it is very close""" start="00:25:25.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the mathematical framework of lambda calculus.""" start="00:25:29.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Haskell is probably the most pure""" start="00:25:34.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lambda calculus that I've ever used,""" start="00:25:38.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Scheme is like the simply typed lambda calculus,""" start="00:25:39.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and That just appeals to me.""" start="00:25:45.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, you know, if you have this tiny, tiny core language""" start="00:25:47.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from which all of the computing can be defined,""" start="00:25:50.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's kind of a shame""" start="00:25:55.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that so far we just haven't explored that space yet.""" start="00:25:57.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, there's compared to JavaScript or Python,""" start="00:26:00.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's very little scheme code out there""" start="00:26:03.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it could be doing so much. And I would just like to try""" start="00:26:05.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and expand the scheme ecosystem""" start="00:26:08.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see just what this tiny little language can do.""" start="00:26:10.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think we haven't even seen""" start="00:26:13.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a fraction of what it can do.""" start="00:26:14.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's why I've chosen scheme.""" start="00:26:16.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Divya, I see you've got a bunch more comments.""" start="00:26:22.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we're just about close to our time here,""" start="00:26:24.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you wanted to jump back in,""" start="00:26:26.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I had to cut you off a little before.""" start="00:26:28.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it's fine. No, it's fine.""" start="00:26:30.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I agree with most of what he said.""" start="00:26:33.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, thank you so much.""" start="00:26:36.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, closing thoughts, Ramin.""" start="00:26:40.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I guess everybody, please, if you're interested,""" start="00:26:45.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keep watching my Mastodon and keep watching my Codeberg.""" start="00:26:51.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to try and squash this bug as quickly as I can.""" start="00:26:56.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope early next year,""" start="00:27:01.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully not much later than February,""" start="00:27:03.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll actually be able to start taking in contributions""" start="00:27:07.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some of the Emacs Lisp built-ins in the code base.""" start="00:27:12.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, please keep watching. The pace of my development""" start="00:27:16.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has increased pretty rapidly recently,""" start="00:27:21.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think we're pretty close""" start="00:27:24.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to getting something that we can all use together.""" start="00:27:25.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you once again for your amazing talk,""" start="00:27:29.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your exceptional work,""" start="00:27:31.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for jumping in, doing the live Q&A,""" start="00:27:34.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rolling with us here as we have yet another""" start="00:27:36.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll See How It Goes conference.""" start="00:27:40.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been just amazing so far,""" start="00:27:42.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this talk is no small part of that. Thank you.""" start="00:27:44.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. OK, cool.""" start="00:27:46.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And thanks for all the questions, everyone.""" start="00:27:50.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20schemacs%3A%20One%20year%20progress%20update%20Schemacs%20%28formerly%20Gypsum%29) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/schemacs-before.md b/2025/info/schemacs-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8c91e627 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/schemacs-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 24-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-schemacs> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-schemacs> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-schemacs"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-schemacs" data=""" +02:07.200 The scope of the project +04:24.760 Difference with Robin Templeton's project (Guile-Emacs) +05:49.720 Progress made since last year +07:28.040 Portable React-like GUI +09:06.040 Demo +11:48.700 Additional changes +14:12.020 Other Scheme implementations +17:06.200 GUI framework +21:51.520 Wrapping up + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 23:14 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-schemacs">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.opus">Download --main.opus (10MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.webm">Download --main.webm (63MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/KmMeLfYn1xY">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-schemacs"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/schemacs-nav.md b/2025/info/schemacs-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e867d2ef --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/schemacs-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/bookclub-tapas">Bookclub tapas</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/juicemacs">Juicemacs: exploring speculative JIT compilation for ELisp in Java</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/sun-close-after.md b/2025/info/sun-close-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e84ce984 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-close-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,235 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sun-close-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""screen. That screen. Yes. All right. Thank you so much.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have made it thus far. It is the end of EmacsConf 2025.""" start="00:00:17.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I better remember to open this""" start="00:00:22.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in case anyone wants to join me in this room.""" start="00:00:24.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hang on a sec. And normally all this stuff""" start="00:00:49.460" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gets done automatically by my scripts,""" start="00:00:51.140" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm doing it manually. Ah, there you go.""" start="00:00:52.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, now people can join. Hooray, we made it!""" start="00:00:55.251" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today was great, and yesterday was great too,""" start="00:00:58.126" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with so many fascinating talks and conversations.""" start="00:01:01.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really, really glad that it all worked out,""" start="00:01:06.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""despite some running around""" start="00:01:09.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and figuring things out on the fly,""" start="00:01:12.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we all managed to get there.""" start="00:01:14.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually have some of the live""" start="00:01:18.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talks recordings up already""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on media.emacsconf.org and YouTube, assuming things work.""" start="00:01:22.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to republish it from Emacs naturally.""" start="00:01:28.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, I was e-debugging things""" start="00:01:33.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the very last minute.""" start="00:01:36.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, feel free to spread the word.""" start="00:01:37.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I check the Emacs hashtag every week""" start="00:01:39.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as part of the Emacs news process anyway.""" start="00:01:42.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you have any favorite talks,""" start="00:01:45.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a great way to share the ideas with more people,""" start="00:01:47.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then even more conversations can happen.""" start="00:01:52.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The prerecorded talks, as I mentioned,""" start="00:01:54.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are already up on the wiki""" start="00:01:58.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and at the media emacsconf.org slash 2027 website.""" start="00:02:00.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, 2025. We're not in the time machine. 2025 site.""" start="00:02:05.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they should already be on YouTube as well.""" start="00:02:10.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will upload the late submissions""" start="00:02:13.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the live talks and the Q&A sessions""" start="00:02:16.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the next week or two.""" start="00:02:19.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually get that done very quickly.""" start="00:02:20.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't even finish this sentence.""" start="00:02:23.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll post an update to the Emacs Conf Discuss mailing list,""" start="00:02:27.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so feel free to subscribe to that if you'd like an update.""" start="00:02:31.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've got ideas for making things better,""" start="00:02:34.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then feel free to drop them into the Etherpad""" start="00:02:37.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can make next year's conference even smoother.""" start="00:02:40.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a lot of people watching, so thank you for that.""" start="00:02:45.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, thanks to all the speakers""" start="00:02:51.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who put hours and hours into their presentations,""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the volunteers who helped both before and during the conference""" start="00:02:56.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and who will help in the days ahead""" start="00:03:01.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as we get everything extracted and packaged and transcribed even,""" start="00:03:03.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a nice chapter indices on the Q&A""" start="00:03:08.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can jump to when a specific question was answered,""" start="00:03:11.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all that good stuff.""" start="00:03:14.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to all those other people in their lives""" start="00:03:16.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose patience and support make all of this possible.""" start="00:03:19.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much for that.""" start="00:03:23.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year's host, you saw Corwin and you saw,""" start="00:03:26.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, what's, why am I,""" start="00:03:30.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wait, I'm like buzzing all over the place""" start="00:03:32.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as people are mentioning my nick on IRC.""" start="00:03:34.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, now that I'm in do not disturb mode.""" start="00:03:37.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you to the hosts""" start="00:03:40.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Feel free to join me.""" start="00:06:26.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can be here until the kiddo says""" start="00:06:30.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have not given her enough hugs for today.""" start="00:06:32.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want to like do a quick recap of your favorite talks""" start="00:06:34.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or how you're excited to take things going forward""" start="00:06:40.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all that stuff.""" start="00:06:43.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join me in this as Sunday closing.""" start="00:06:45.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look at the talk page,""" start="00:06:47.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's going to be theoretically""" start="00:06:49.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a big blue button link there that you can join.""" start="00:06:52.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thank you for this. 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IRC. I figure it's... Sorry, go ahead. I'm done.""" start="00:08:33.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's rather...""" start="00:08:49.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to think of it as the start of the conversation.""" start="00:08:54.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so we have around 100 people,""" start="00:08:59.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more than 100, around 200 people yesterday,""" start="00:09:08.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around 100 today joining us.""" start="00:09:12.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those are a lot of conversations,""" start="00:09:15.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then they're the conversations that happen""" start="00:09:17.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when people look up the videos and the captions""" start="00:09:18.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the resources that people have shared.""" start="00:09:22.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I think it gives us a lot of material,""" start="00:09:25.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of exciting points""" start="00:09:30.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for plenty of other conversations this year.""" start="00:09:31.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's a great community. Oh, yes, I should mention,""" start="00:09:34.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the conversation doesn't stop here""" start="00:09:41.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there are mailing lists.""" start="00:09:42.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Rudy, for the reminder.""" start="00:09:44.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're looking for more of this kind of sense of community,""" start="00:09:46.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's like, well, Emacs Develop course has a lot of technical discussions going on,""" start="00:09:50.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the Org Mode mailing list is very nice.""" start="00:09:56.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are also lots of meetups.""" start="00:10:00.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's definitely a meetup every month.""" start="00:10:02.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Meetup, in fact, is happening in a couple of days.""" start="00:10:05.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look on the Emacs wiki for user groups,""" start="00:10:10.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you check my Emacs news,""" start="00:10:13.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you check, if you look for like Emacs calendar,""" start="00:10:14.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think I put on like emacslife.com slash calendar,""" start="00:10:16.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you'll find upcoming meetups.""" start="00:10:20.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can keep reconnecting with people.""" start="00:10:22.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you come up with something cool,""" start="00:10:27.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't have to wait until the next Emacs Con""" start="00:10:29.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to show it to everybody.""" start="00:10:33.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also go to these meetups and start sharing it""" start="00:10:35.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get feedback and make it even better and so on.""" start="00:10:43.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great, thank you. 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Bye!""" start="00:14:14.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sun-close-nav.md b/2025/info/sun-close-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..718dbf69 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-close-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks / open session</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/sun-open-after.md b/2025/info/sun-open-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d30936b4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-open-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sun-open-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tracks""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Welcome to EmacsConf, where we have fun""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exploring just how much we can do with a text editor.""" start="00:00:02.247" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:05.485" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:07.925" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:09.484" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:11.079" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:13.216" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Watching and participating""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:19.393" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:22.486" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:24.910" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:28.885" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:31.186" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:34.388" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there 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class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""BigBlueButton""" start="00:01:10.601" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Many talks will be followed by""" start="00:01:10.601" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live Q&A web conferences with the speaker,""" start="00:01:12.145" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will be done in BigBlueButton or BBB.""" start="00:01:14.572" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are indicated with a solid border on the schedule""" start="00:01:17.734" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by Q&A: BBB on the schedule page.""" start="00:01:20.819" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join the web conference room""" start="00:01:24.001" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by clicking on the BBB link""" start="00:01:25.901" 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sun-open-nav.md b/2025/info/sun-open-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2f6390d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-open-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/open-mic">Open session</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/modern">Some problems of modernizing Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/swanky-after.md b/2025/info/swanky-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..53c84315 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/swanky-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,387 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="swanky-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hello everyone, I'm Scott""" start="00:00:00.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll be talking about Swanky Python,""" start="00:00:02.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a development environment for Python""" start="00:00:04.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on Emacs' Slime package.""" start="00:00:06.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what is that and why might you find it interesting?""" start="00:00:08.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SLIME is the Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs.""" start="00:00:11.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an Emacs package for developing Common Lisp,""" start="00:00:15.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's a bit different from the way we develop most languages""" start="00:00:18.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that you're always connected""" start="00:00:20.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a running instance of your application,""" start="00:00:22.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you kind of build up your application, piece by piece,""" start="00:00:25.400" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""modifying one expression at a time""" start="00:00:27.960" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without ever having to restart your application.""" start="00:00:30.400" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So why might you want to develop this way?""" start="00:00:34.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One advantage is that you can get a faster feedback loop.""" start="00:00:36.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For some kinds of software, it doesn't make a big difference.""" start="00:00:40.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, if you're developing a web backend""" start="00:00:42.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where all state is stored externally in a database,""" start="00:00:43.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can have a file watcher""" start="00:00:48.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that just restarts the whole Python process""" start="00:00:50.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you make any edit,""" start="00:00:52.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're not really losing anything,""" start="00:00:54.640" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because all the state is stored outside the Python process""" start="00:00:56.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a database. So it works great.""" start="00:00:59.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for other kinds of software, like""" start="00:01:01.720" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say you're developing an Emacs package""" start="00:01:03.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a video game,""" start="00:01:05.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it can be a real pain to restart the application""" start="00:01:07.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and recreate the state it was in before""" start="00:01:10.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to test the effect of each edit you want to make.""" start="00:01:12.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another advantage is the runtime introspection you have available.""" start="00:01:17.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So since you're always connected""" start="00:01:21.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a running instance of your application,""" start="00:01:22.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can inspect the values of variables,""" start="00:01:25.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can trace functions, and all sorts of other information""" start="00:01:27.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help you understand your application better.""" start="00:01:30.960" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And lastly, it's just a lot of fun to develop this way,""" start="00:01:36.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least I find it fun developing with SLIME,""" start="00:01:39.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I wrote a SLIME backend for Python""" start="00:01:43.520" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I could have more fun when I'm coding in Python.""" start="00:01:45.760" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As for the name swanky-python, within SLIME,""" start="00:01:48.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swank is the name of the Common Lisp backend""" start="00:01:52.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that runs within your Common Lisp application""" start="00:01:56.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connects to Emacs. 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video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, if we edit it so it doesn't throw an error,""" start="00:11:57.480" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we can resume execution,""" start="00:12:01.020" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it will return from foo using the""" start="00:12:07.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the new version of baz,""" start="00:12:12.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to run the script from the beginning again.""" start="00:12:15.041" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in the example of a script that processes a bunch of files,""" start="00:12:18.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would let you,""" start="00:12:22.380" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you run into files that cause an 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video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time of the exception.""" start="00:13:44.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can inspect them and get a REPL""" start="00:13:45.760" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the context of the stack frame.""" start="00:13:48.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, this will only work for variables""" start="00:13:51.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be serialized with pickle.""" start="00:13:54.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or actually, the library uses dill,""" start="00:13:57.620" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can serialize a bit more than pickle can.""" start="00:13:59.520" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah so this can help you inspect and debug errors""" 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+[[!template text="""from the doc strings for the module""" start="00:14:35.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the classes and so on.""" start="00:14:37.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you won't see documentation for libraries""" start="00:14:39.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you don't have actually loaded""" start="00:14:41.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your running Python process.""" start="00:14:43.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can go browse to classes.""" start="00:14:45.940" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It'll show all the attributes, their methods, and so on.""" start="00:14:50.120" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By each method to the right, it will show""" start="00:14:54.720" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the base class where the method was originally inherited from.""" start="00:14:57.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also bring up a screen with all the Python packages""" start="00:15:02.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are installed, and browse that with imenu,""" start="00:15:09.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and bring up information on any package and so on.""" start="00:15:14.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thread view""" start="00:15:20.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, let's take a look at the thread view.""" start="00:15:20.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's run this and then bring up the thread view""" start="00:15:28.500" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time you requested the backtrace.""" start="00:15:53.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can again view the stack frames, local variables,""" start="00:15:55.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""open a REPL in the context of the thread, and so on.""" start="00:15:59.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also a viewer for async tasks,""" start="00:16:04.140" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm not going to demo that right now,""" start="00:16:07.840" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because for that to work, you have to start swanky-python""" start="00:16:10.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after the async event loop has started,""" start="00:16:14.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from within the same thread.""" start="00:16:16.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go to the project readme,""" start="00:16:18.520" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a demo of how to use the async task viewer""" start="00:16:20.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a fastapi project.""" start="00:16:23.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tracing functions""" start="00:16:27.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, let's look at tracing functions.""" start="00:16:27.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we got some random error,""" start="00:16:33.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is still very much a work in progress.""" start="00:16:36.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it looks like it executed""" start="00:16:39.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""correctly this time.""" start="00:16:42.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now let's mark the fibonacci function""" start="00:16:43.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for tracing and execute it.""" start="00:16:47.566" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can see, every time the function is called,""" start="00:16:50.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all its arguments and return values.""" start="00:16:56.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, there are presentations that we can inspect and so on.""" start="00:16:58.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let's inspect a more complex object, like a file object.""" start="00:17:02.900" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we trace the count_lines function and run that code,""" start="00:17:06.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we can inspect the file it was passed, or the file object.""" start="00:17:11.340" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One pitfall is that in Python, objects are mutable.""" start="00:17:15.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in the trace buffer, the string representation""" start="00:17:21.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's printed is the string representation""" start="00:17:25.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time it was passed to the function.""" start="00:17:27.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when we go to inspect it,""" start="00:17:31.220" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're inspecting the object as it is right now,""" start="00:17:32.640" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can be different than it was at the time""" start="00:17:34.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the function saw it. 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I'm happy to discuss.""" start="00:19:02.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""LSP-type features""" start="00:19:06.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, let's look at standard LSP-type features.""" start="00:19:06.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we've got completions. It's fuzzy completions right now,""" start="00:19:09.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's showing everything with a PR in the name.""" start="00:19:14.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can bring up documentation for each one.""" start="00:19:16.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we start calling a method in the minibuffer at the bottom""" start="00:19:21.780" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll show the signature.""" start="00:19:26.760" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's some refactoring available.""" start="00:19:28.860" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can extract a function or variable,""" start="00:19:33.720" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or rename something,""" start="00:19:37.400" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, let's rename fib to fib2,""" start="00:19:39.500" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will rename all the uses of it.""" start="00:19:42.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All these features are based on Jedi,""" start="00:19:47.480" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the Python library used by IPython.""" start="00:19:49.760" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But as it is right now,""" start="00:19:55.400" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want the most complete Python development experience""" start="00:19:57.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Emacs, I'd probably recommend using LSP""" start="00:20:02.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for everything LSP can do, and then just using swanky-python""" start="00:20:05.580" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the object inspector and backtrace buffer,""" start="00:20:10.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the interactive features it has""" start="00:20:13.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that an LSP can't provide.""" start="00:20:15.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:20:18.032" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And that's it really.""" start="00:20:18.032" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shortly we'll have questions and answers""" start="00:20:23.340" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as part of EmacsConf, and later on,""" start="00:20:25.866" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have any questions, ideas, or issues""" start="00:20:28.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to reach out over email""" start="00:20:31.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or create an issue on the repository.""" start="00:20:34.640" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should probably warn you,""" start="00:20:38.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to try out the project:""" start="00:20:39.332" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so far I'm probably the only user of it""" start="00:20:41.120" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've only tested it on my own Emacs setup,""" start="00:20:45.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's quite likely you'll run into issues""" start="00:20:48.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to get it installed and working.""" start="00:20:50.840" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you do run into problems, please reach out,""" start="00:20:53.480" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me know. I'm happy to help and try and fix them.""" start="00:20:56.120" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's it. Thanks for listening.""" start="00:20:59.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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All right, perfect.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Zachary Romero""" start="00:00:05.820" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll be giving a talk""" start="00:00:07.876" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how I'm using Emacs for Android""" start="00:00:08.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to replace my fitness app I normally use.""" start="00:00:12.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it goes without saying""" start="00:00:15.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a lot of the mobile ecosystem these days""" start="00:00:17.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are pretty hostile to the interest of its users.""" start="00:00:21.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's privacy policies""" start="00:00:25.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are constantly collecting your data and selling it.""" start="00:00:27.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without your consent, bombardment of ads.""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's a lot of features that are locked.""" start="00:00:36.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes features that the app gives you,""" start="00:00:38.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're put behind paywalls.""" start="00:00:40.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so a lot of the ecosystem""" start="00:00:42.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't in the best interest of users.""" start="00:00:45.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And obviously there are apps like on F-Droid""" start="00:00:49.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Android ecosystem that do try to address this,""" start="00:00:51.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the solutions overall are lagging""" start="00:00:56.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind maybe desktop computers.""" start="00:00:59.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One option that has come in the past few years""" start="00:01:05.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is Emacs on Android. It's just a normal Emacs build,""" start="00:01:14.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it can do everything, in theory, that Emacs can do.""" start="00:01:17.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I got to thinking how could I, how I could use Emacs""" start="00:01:21.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to replace some of the proprietary apps""" start="00:01:24.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I use on a daily basis.""" start="00:01:27.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I just went thinking about the apps,""" start="00:01:28.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the apps that Emacs can replace.""" start="00:01:31.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of them seem quite easy.""" start="00:01:33.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of them... maybe might take a little effort but seem doable""" start="00:01:35.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then obviously there's a whole class of apps""" start="00:01:39.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be pretty impossible to emulate on Emacs.""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I mean besides like to-do lists, note taking, org mode,""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one thing that came to mind was my fitness tracking app.""" start="00:01:52.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is an app I use pretty often""" start="00:01:55.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in theory Emacs should be quite usable for this case.""" start="00:01:59.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So weightlifting tracking is,""" start="00:02:06.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's normally used to record""" start="00:02:09.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what exercises you do at what intensity""" start="00:02:13.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to progress week by week.""" start="00:02:17.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you might plan on like slowly increasing""" start="00:02:20.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the amount of effort you put into""" start="00:02:25.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your various workouts from week to week,""" start="00:02:27.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe you'll have put some rest weeks in there.""" start="00:02:30.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so you want a detailed plan""" start="00:02:34.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and recording of what you do throughout the week.""" start="00:02:37.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I guess way back, normally""" start="00:02:40.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would have been done on pen and paper.""" start="00:02:43.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you would take your notebook""" start="00:02:45.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just write down on paper what you did.""" start="00:02:48.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this obviously works, and a lot of people do do this.""" start="00:02:51.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But these days, there are quite a few apps""" start="00:02:56.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that make this process quite seamless and effortless.""" start="00:02:59.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just as an example, really fast.""" start="00:03:02.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is one of the popular apps out these days""" start="00:03:06.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has such a feature.""" start="00:03:09.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can save all your workout routines""" start="00:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this nice interface.""" start="00:03:13.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so you click a button and then it starts,""" start="00:03:14.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the workout interface and then""" start="00:03:18.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can kind of, you go through your workout""" start="00:03:20.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can input,""" start="00:03:23.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can input like what things you do.""" start="00:03:25.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it has this like fancy timer at the bottom.""" start="00:03:27.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like, this is kind of like the,""" start="00:03:29.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of like what a lot of people use these days,""" start="00:03:30.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just for, just for, to make it as frictionless as possible.""" start="00:03:35.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So obviously you can do like this bare bone text editing in Emacs.""" start="00:03:39.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have to open up an org mode file and just right away.""" start="00:03:44.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, but there are a number of problems with this.""" start="00:03:46.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like, especially on mobile,""" start="00:03:48.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""character by character editing,""" start="00:03:50.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like writing all these, this text out manually,""" start="00:03:52.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe some formatting, it can be pretty tedious""" start="00:03:55.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not, maybe not something you want to, you want to have to do,""" start="00:03:58.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if you're like exhausted or tired.""" start="00:04:01.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I mean, there's also like the problem""" start="00:04:04.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of like remembering which, where in your workout you are,""" start="00:04:06.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like how many of these, these, like which,""" start="00:04:09.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, like where are you, where you are,""" start="00:04:11.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, um like which set number set number are you on""" start="00:04:13.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you on the first second""" start="00:04:17.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then also like maybe you failed""" start="00:04:17.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe you weren't able to like perform this""" start="00:04:19.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe you have to make a note that so like""" start="00:04:22.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's even more text editing you would have to do""" start="00:04:24.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um also some things like unit conversions""" start="00:04:28.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you could use calc""" start="00:04:30.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you know you'd have to like open up the calc,""" start="00:04:31.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then number, unit conversion, switch buffers.""" start="00:04:35.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's doable, but it takes a little effort.""" start="00:04:39.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then also the rest timer.""" start="00:04:42.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you want to make sure you're resting""" start="00:04:43.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in between these exercises you do,""" start="00:04:45.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'd have to maybe open up another app,""" start="00:04:47.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe you'd have to bring your watch.""" start="00:04:51.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's another thing that""" start="00:04:52.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these apps normally would do for you.""" start="00:04:53.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So writing some Elisp, I created a package""" start="00:04:58.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to emulate that experience""" start="00:05:02.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I showed you on that other app.""" start="00:05:04.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let me just demo this real fast.""" start="00:05:06.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, the package is called org-fit.""" start="00:05:08.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so here, I'm going to start a new workout.""" start="00:05:13.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here, I'm prompted by a list of routines""" start="00:05:17.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have pre-written in org mode.""" start="00:05:19.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the header name is the routine name.""" start="00:05:22.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I can, out of all these routines I've written,""" start="00:05:25.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can select one and then also I can have it populate.""" start="00:05:29.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here it's populating preset weights I had for it.""" start="00:05:35.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, so basically this is my current attempt""" start="00:05:41.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to emulate that experience.""" start="00:05:45.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we can, so here like the arrows and the tabs,""" start="00:05:47.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they only go through like the, editable fields I can so""" start="00:05:51.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the notes section you see you see here in the table""" start="00:05:55.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is like the my plan for the day""" start="00:05:58.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can press space to easily""" start="00:06:00.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just fill out the data tab""" start="00:06:02.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go the next the next the next set""" start="00:06:03.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can press quote to copy from above""" start="00:06:06.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also some interesting things with Android,""" start="00:06:10.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you can bind the volume down key.""" start="00:06:13.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here I have the volume down key""" start="00:06:15.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like inputting the data automatically""" start="00:06:17.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and going to the next field.""" start="00:06:21.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see there it's quite seamless input of information.""" start="00:06:22.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice also when all the sets""" start="00:06:26.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a single exercise are done,""" start="00:06:30.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it marks that heading as done.""" start="00:06:31.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, if you notice at the top, on the left,""" start="00:06:34.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the session time for the workout.""" start="00:06:37.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then on here, we have the rest timer.""" start="00:06:42.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the rest timer is actually just defined as an org mode property.""" start="00:06:44.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here it's saying that, okay,""" start="00:06:48.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you should start the auto rest timer""" start="00:06:50.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for three minutes every time you do a set.""" start="00:06:52.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, let's fill it in, go to the next one.""" start="00:06:54.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now the rest timer is set for three minutes.""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so here I have, I can just rest""" start="00:07:00.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just have the information right here.""" start="00:07:03.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, you'll notice here we have""" start="00:07:05.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some calculations at the bottom.""" start="00:07:08.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something also that those apps provide,""" start="00:07:09.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in order to make sure you're tracking""" start="00:07:12.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on certain levels of intensity.""" start="00:07:14.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see, what else do we have?""" start="00:07:16.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can add warmups, automatic warmup set inserting, unit conversions,""" start="00:07:22.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then Something else to know""" start="00:07:30.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that all of these actions I'm doing,""" start="00:07:33.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're all bound to a single key""" start="00:07:35.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make things as effortless as possible.""" start="00:07:37.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's the app in a nutshell.""" start="00:07:40.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, so how is this done?""" start="00:07:43.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the philosophy behind this is to use org mode as a base.""" start="00:07:47.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all the functionality, the timer for the session,""" start="00:07:51.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's just clock in or clock in.""" start="00:07:55.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The various, all the data you fill in,""" start="00:08:00.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the exercises, routines, those are just org headings,""" start="00:08:05.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like with nested entries.""" start="00:08:09.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, and then all the movement,""" start="00:08:12.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a lot of the editing stuff""" start="00:08:14.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just going off of the org mode API.""" start="00:08:16.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like here, my upper field, is actually just using the,""" start="00:08:18.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's using like the org table go to line function.""" start="00:08:22.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Adding a no is org table put.""" start="00:08:26.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like all of my functions I'm using,""" start="00:08:29.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're just building off of the org mode API.""" start="00:08:31.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I found that this pattern worked work pretty well.""" start="00:08:33.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you get the benefits of org mode""" start="00:08:38.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the ease of using it on mobile.""" start="00:08:41.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I guess in the last few minutes of this talk,""" start="00:08:48.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just go over some quick things""" start="00:08:51.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about working with Android that might come up.""" start="00:08:53.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the first thing is notifications.""" start="00:08:56.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is actually an interesting feature.""" start="00:08:58.880" 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Great answer.""" start="00:27:41.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think we're just at about 90 seconds left.""" start="00:27:44.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perfect amount of time, I think, to just wrap up.""" start="00:27:47.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Closing thoughts. I'll share mine first.""" start="00:27:50.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really appreciate you, Zach.""" start="00:27:52.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for putting this talk together.""" start="00:27:53.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is the type of talk""" start="00:27:56.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's really going to tie the room together""" start="00:27:59.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for people that may be, you know, not sure how they can take""" start="00:28:01.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although they've been interested in that,""" start="00:28:07.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this can be a really good way to kind of open up the world.""" start="00:28:12.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you for putting it together.""" start="00:28:16.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would just say""" start="00:28:20.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like definitely just try things out.""" start="00:28:22.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like if you think, you know,""" start="00:28:24.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're just like random ideas,""" start="00:28:25.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a book tracking app or like a recipe app,""" start="00:28:26.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, you know, there's a lot of things""" start="00:28:30.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you do on your mobile device""" start="00:28:33.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that aren't like banking apps that you could easily,""" start="00:28:35.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that seem like they could be done in Emacs.""" start="00:28:37.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, just try different things out""" start="00:28:39.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would love to hear what other people do. Bravo.""" start="00:28:42.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I appreciate it once again, you're coming together""" start="00:28:47.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially you're doing it live.""" start="00:28:52.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that as a conference, we have a lot of preference""" start="00:28:56.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for those recorded talks""" start="00:29:00.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and getting the captioning together,""" start="00:29:01.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just have a special place in my heart""" start="00:29:02.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the energy that comes with a live talk""" start="00:29:05.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I appreciate you doing it. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/writing-nav.md b/2025/info/writing-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f413029d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/writing-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by time: <a href="/2025/talks/gnus">Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus</a> +Next by time: <a href="/2025/talks/bookclub-tapas">Bookclub tapas</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/zettelkasten-after.md b/2025/info/zettelkasten-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e7dec77c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/zettelkasten-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1845 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="zettelkasten-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello there, fellow basement dwellers.""" start="00:00:01.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Christian and you are watching """" start="00:00:03.939" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zettelkasten for Regular Emacs Hackers,"""" start="00:00:05.959" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my Emacs Conference 2025 talk submission.""" start="00:00:08.520" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this presentation,""" start="00:00:12.921" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll be showing you a couple of things""" start="00:00:14.001" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Zettelkasten, very basic mechanics and habits""" start="00:00:15.701" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can pick up and implement in Emacs,""" start="00:00:18.702" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most malleable of all environments,""" start="00:00:21.623" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make a thinking environment happen in your life""" start="00:00:24.443" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that stays with you potentially forever.""" start="00:00:27.824" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The subtitle "For Regular Emacs Hackers" implies at least""" start="00:00:32.435" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the possibility of irregular Emacs hackers""" start="00:00:36.056" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and regular Emacs non-hackers, so the target audience here""" start="00:00:38.357" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is people who are comfortable tweaking their setup""" start="00:00:42.499" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when they run into issues and use Emacs to write,""" start="00:00:45.120" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter if it's prose or code.""" start="00:00:47.981" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's regular Emacs hacking.""" start="00:00:49.981" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't need to be an irregular Emacs hacker,""" start="00:00:53.632" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, being a core maintainer or whatever.""" start="00:00:55.615" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just need to be a normal user""" start="00:00:58.760" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who also modifies the setup.""" start="00:01:01.244" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, you should probably not be an Emacs non-hacker.""" start="00:01:06.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or maybe you shouldn't stay an Emacs non-hacker,""" start="00:01:10.302" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""someone who is not tweaking their setup ever.""" start="00:01:12.782" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, if you just open your application""" start="00:01:16.003" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to write with a double click,""" start="00:01:18.821" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it happens to be Emacs, this may not be for you,""" start="00:01:20.241" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you ultimately be the judge there.""" start="00:01:23.284" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Advocating Freedoms""" start="00:01:25.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It is my sacred duty to, of course,""" start="00:01:25.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""advocate all the essential freedoms during this presentation.""" start="00:01:28.745" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the following.""" start="00:01:32.666" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall not be shackled by a proprietary tool.""" start="00:01:34.508" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(You shall be shackled by Emacs. (Which is free software.))""" start="00:01:37.390" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall also not be shackled by an esoteric method""" start="00:01:40.792" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that turns out to be a grift""" start="00:01:44.115" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you need to visit annual workshops, walk on broken glass""" start="00:01:45.276" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff to be a true ""knower"".""" start="00:01:47.898" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall be empowered to do great things""" start="00:01:50.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the rest of your life after this session alone.""" start="00:01:52.881" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not a sales pitch.""" start="00:01:55.884" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, you should also not be shackled""" start="00:01:58.871" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by whichever sources of information you rely on in the future.""" start="00:02:00.652" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall be free to think and explore new ideas,""" start="00:02:05.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ideally forever, in an environment you built to your liking,""" start="00:02:07.854" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without the degrading web searches and the dead internet""" start="00:02:12.176" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getting in your way. No libraries, no dead trees.""" start="00:02:15.797" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's you and your knowledge base""" start="00:02:18.858" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can truly produce magnificent things.""" start="00:02:21.539" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What Is This About?""" start="00:02:29.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is this about? In the teaser text for this session,""" start="00:02:29.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I brought up that when people talk about Emacs""" start="00:02:33.587" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pulling in everything that people do on their computer,""" start="00:02:36.149" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's usually things they used other software for in the past.""" start="00:02:38.932" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like email, chat, playing music, browsing the web,""" start="00:02:42.615" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""managing tasks, you know, stuff like that.""" start="00:02:46.058" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't have a good blueprint for thinking environments though.""" start="00:02:48.820" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not a trivial task,""" start="00:02:51.762" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just port this or that to Emacs""" start="00:02:53.264" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you'll be happy and productive.""" start="00:02:54.745" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's different from doing your emails""" start="00:02:56.706" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or task management or writing in Emacs,""" start="00:02:58.200" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we have a lot of experience with existing software""" start="00:03:00.329" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to adapt and deviate from, where we can essentially""" start="00:03:02.951" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""port the task to Emacs. We can practice to think,""" start="00:03:06.414" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""purposefully and productively, on complex things""" start="00:03:09.856" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over long periods of time""" start="00:03:12.999" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we create bespoke environments that help with that.""" start="00:03:14.460" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first assumption is this:""" start="00:03:19.060" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Writing is very important to form complex thought.""" start="00:03:20.468" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Without writing, you won't be able to cross""" start="00:03:24.059" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a certain complexity threshold.""" start="00:03:26.280" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thinking in your head alone without any externalization""" start="00:03:28.761" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes you prone to loops, repetitions,""" start="00:03:31.922" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and worst of all: jumps.""" start="00:03:34.262" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jumps that get you to a point,""" start="00:03:36.143" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not backed by reason or argument.""" start="00:03:38.563" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you and your future and others cannot follow.""" start="00:03:40.724" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Written words direct thought.""" start="00:03:46.502" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The linearization or sequence-making of thoughts""" start="00:03:48.363" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""frames your next idea. That's the same for reading,""" start="00:03:51.985" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which enables you to pick up existing ideas""" start="00:03:55.307" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and continue to write about them later.""" start="00:03:57.308" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for "good thinking", writing, reading,""" start="00:04:00.250" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and writing is mandatory.""" start="00:04:02.811" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is good at showing text to read.""" start="00:04:05.073" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's good at processing keyboard inputs to write.""" start="00:04:07.194" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go. Let's set up an environment within Emacs""" start="00:04:09.635" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make this thinking thing happen.""" start="00:04:13.177" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll walk you through some mechanics""" start="00:04:16.320" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the Zettelkasten machine and habits for you,""" start="00:04:18.060" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dear thinker and regular Emacs hacker.""" start="00:04:20.882" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for your reference, highlight these things""" start="00:04:22.901" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I present them in the bottom left corner of the screen.""" start="00:04:25.886" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So working with Zettelkasten as a thinking environment""" start="00:04:30.469" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only requires very simple mechanics.""" start="00:04:33.191" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Write - Essential Mechanic""" start="00:04:36.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First one is to write. 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video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You spend time and effort at the writing stage,""" start="00:05:40.181" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are the primary audience,""" start="00:05:42.312" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so do your past self a favor and read what you wrote.""" start="00:05:43.793" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then as you read it, make it better.""" start="00:05:46.896" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make it better, continuously make things better""" start="00:05:50.479" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and capture new ideas as they come up as you read.""" start="00:05:52.341" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And things you can only now remember""" start="00:05:55.223" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you learned about things in the meantime.""" start="00:05:57.785" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll also get better at this whole thing with practice.""" start="00:06:00.928" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So improve old notes when you find them lacking in detail,""" start="00:06:03.430" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""their tone pretentious, their mere existence""" start="00:06:05.867" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an insult to your intelligence.""" start="00:06:08.576" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pay [knocks on table] attention [knocks again]""" start="00:06:10.896" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to pain points in using notes.""" start="00:06:11.736" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I knocked on my desk to emphasize.""" start="00:06:13.640" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And fix things on the fly.""" start="00:06:16.560" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From this principle follows""" start="00:06:18.602" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of common practices and tips.""" start="00:06:19.803" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This principle truly is essential.""" start="00:06:22.064" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Too long and you didn't read it?""" start="00:06:24.126" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Add a summary at the beginning.""" start="00:06:25.547" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can't understand what you wrote a year ago?""" start="00:06:27.228" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we will come to later.""" start="00:06:46.734" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Design for Use - Habit""" start="00:06:49.434" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next habit, non-essential though,""" start="00:06:49.434" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to create notes with intent to use them.""" start="00:06:52.072" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's one thing to write about facts, capture information,""" start="00:06:55.333" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but all this is just collecting stuff.""" start="00:06:58.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's another thing altogether to write about""" start="00:07:01.355" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a train of thought, about an argument you found compelling,""" start="00:07:03.616" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about a model to understand the world, or yourself,""" start="00:07:06.557" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a better way. 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Don't be sloppy.""" start="00:09:54.568" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Put in effort early to get faster at this.""" start="00:09:58.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is essential, because without putting effort""" start="00:10:00.601" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into writing, you won't have anything to use.""" start="00:10:04.160" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Connect and leave trails to navigate.""" start="00:10:08.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That can tell a story when you traverse the trail later.""" start="00:10:10.501" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is essential because without connection,""" start="00:10:13.620" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will not get anywhere.""" start="00:10:16.541" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Correct and improve things as you go.""" start="00:10:18.601" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The last essential thing: well,""" start="00:10:20.301" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't worry about perfection, and then,""" start="00:10:21.840" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be gentle to your past self.""" start="00:10:24.142" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Adapt to what you learn along the way.""" start="00:10:25.803" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's essential, because without this attitude,""" start="00:10:27.977" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can easily get stuck in analysis paralysis,""" start="00:10:31.125" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like where do I need to put this,""" start="00:10:33.746" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or what would be the perfect way to phrase this.""" start="00:10:35.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Design for use. 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That's a process.""" start="00:12:10.587" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But from the perspective of the Zettelkasten as a system,""" start="00:12:13.848" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a mechanic or rather dynamic,""" start="00:12:18.149" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Zettelkasten grows organically.""" start="00:12:20.610" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to your constant intervention and usage of course.""" start="00:12:23.150" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how time passes in your Zettelkasten.""" start="00:12:25.311" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how a process of transformation enters the system.""" start="00:12:27.632" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The transformation affects the network.""" start="00:12:32.273" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every new or updated note,""" start="00:12:34.801" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every new connection changes the network.""" start="00:12:36.256" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The existing network then imposes demands""" start="00:12:38.558" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for new stuff to fit in, slowly solidifying""" start="00:12:40.719" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how things are organized to be perceived as orderly.""" start="00:12:43.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is calcifying.""" start="00:12:47.364" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's emergent creation of structure from use.""" start="00:12:49.085" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Structure here is expectation for what could come next.""" start="00:12:52.327" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On top of this interplay of emergent structure""" start="00:12:56.269" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your notes and processes""" start="00:12:58.650" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that operate these constraints,""" start="00:13:00.191" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can design and influence and architect""" start="00:13:01.872" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have explicit structures and patterns,""" start="00:13:04.373" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore you can influence what is expected,""" start="00:13:06.874" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is unexpected and what fits""" start="00:13:09.634" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what needs to change to fit in.""" start="00:13:11.837" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the time you spend designing these things""" start="00:13:14.258" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will influence how the Zettelkasten""" start="00:13:18.140" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will behave in the future.""" start="00:13:20.301" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Facilitate Growth""" start="00:13:22.034" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""To prepare for growth""" start="00:13:22.034" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will probably encounter thresholds along your journey.""" start="00:13:24.062" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like 1-10 notes, well,""" start="00:13:27.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can easily remember all of them.""" start="00:13:29.268" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10-100, you will have forgotten some details,""" start="00:13:31.301" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but will probably remember writing most of these notes""" start="00:13:34.334" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in some way. 100-1000?""" start="00:13:37.068" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bad luck, you will have a hard time going through everything""" start="00:13:40.240" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one by one to find what you have. You will have to rely on""" start="00:13:42.920" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""filtering results. For example, with a full text search,""" start="00:13:46.440" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will crave to use tags and keywords more""" start="00:13:50.088" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to group notes into more manageable departments or collections.""" start="00:13:53.493" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By this mark, search results produce way too many results.""" start="00:14:02.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Popular tags become overcrowded,""" start="00:14:05.880" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have the same problem you had in the last stage,""" start="00:14:07.968" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for each of these tags.""" start="00:14:10.070" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So manual structures will take you through this.""" start="00:14:12.520" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anticipate growth pains by starting from structures.""" start="00:14:15.780" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the recommendation here. 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And there you see.""" start="00:15:02.440" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's an empty new note. Here,""" start="00:15:08.595" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sped up like two or three times the normal typing speed of me,""" start="00:15:10.497" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is how I would process this very Emacs conference talk.""" start="00:15:16.421" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The essential mechanics and habits, additional habits,""" start="00:15:21.786" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mechanics, and then from there after I capture everything.""" start="00:15:25.669" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make sure that I have a reference.""" start="00:15:30.112" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not a thought-out implementation in Emacs,""" start="00:15:32.054" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is just plain text. Christian Tietze,""" start="00:15:36.137" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zettelkasten for Regular Emacs Hackers at the bottom.""" start="00:15:39.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use reference management systems that you like,""" start="00:15:42.147" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't want to get into these details.""" start="00:15:46.586" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I'm creating a note with the denote shortcut.""" start="00:15:49.234" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Based on the selected text,""" start="00:15:54.368" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm starting a link. 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Just garbage in, garbage out.""" start="00:16:20.528" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Processing this from Wikipedia.""" start="00:16:23.654" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have a detail note from this overview.""" start="00:16:27.921" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's an overview with one link already.""" start="00:16:31.864" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Starting from here, now I want to write more about my talk.""" start="00:16:34.266" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And next we create structure, types of structures, etc.""" start="00:16:38.669" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It creates a weird link, but I can edit this easily""" start="00:16:43.773" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks to Emacs being so nice to work with.""" start="00:16:46.836" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A couple of examples. 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Atom, smallest part;""" start="00:17:43.924" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""molecule, comprised of atoms;""" start="00:17:47.800" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and organism is comprised of molecules.""" start="00:17:49.568" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Different level of analysis. Because this is irreducible.""" start="00:17:51.969" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, if you have no clue about reducibility,""" start="00:17:56.433" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""irreducibility -- that doesn't mean much to you? --""" start="00:17:59.155" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but look this up. You can go very deep""" start="00:18:02.197" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this kind of stuff. It's basically that if you""" start="00:18:05.979" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""decompose organs into atoms,""" start="00:18:10.618" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you cannot get back to the organs.""" start="00:18:12.523" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have a bunch of atoms. There's information loss,""" start="00:18:14.126" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more or less.""" start="00:18:17.073" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here you see that I create a new thing at the end""" start="00:18:19.880" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can write about Denote. The tool doesn't matter,""" start="00:18:24.247" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when you use Emacs, use Denote because, well, why?""" start="00:18:26.950" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's get into this. Fix the link.""" start="00:18:31.835" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are good reasons to use Denote.""" start="00:18:35.458" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Denote is very simple. Denote has a couple of sane defaults.""" start="00:18:37.280" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That makes life easier. Backlinks.""" start="00:18:44.380" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will see a backlink view at the end.""" start="00:18:47.079" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to create a couple of things.""" start="00:18:51.141" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm copying the source code there, the Elisp source,""" start="00:18:52.398" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can see, hey, this is just an Org Mode file.""" start="00:18:55.965" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can style it to your liking""" start="00:19:01.668" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can even execute the code if you want.""" start="00:19:03.630" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very powerful. Create notes as links first to avoid orphans.""" start="00:19:06.752" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Forward link again.""" start="00:19:13.295" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At least I wanted to create a forward link.""" start="00:19:14.676" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I pressed the wrong shortcut.""" start="00:19:16.016" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, I can fix this easily.""" start="00:19:17.037" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see, there's no link. Dammit.""" start="00:19:19.738" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I need to create the link after the fact.""" start="00:19:23.480" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a list of shortcuts. The denote keymap.""" start="00:19:26.762" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a recommended practice by me,""" start="00:19:33.280" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting your note with a link.""" start="00:19:35.166" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've heard this all just a couple of minutes ago.""" start="00:19:36.767" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It reduces orphans and supposedly teaches you""" start="00:19:40.640" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about thinking in connections early.""" start="00:19:42.855" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a good practice to practice.""" start="00:19:45.575" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So with that note, trying to switch back.""" start="00:19:53.100" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Denote note switching, that wasn't as smooth,""" start="00:19:55.939" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but inserting links is.""" start="00:20:00.120" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you go. Here's a backlink view. And that's it.""" start="00:20:01.320" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a somewhat self-documenting way,""" start="00:20:10.180" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here you see a structure note""" start="00:20:12.652" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an overview that represents the gist""" start="00:20:14.868" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this Emacs conference talk,""" start="00:20:17.683" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a couple of links to details.""" start="00:20:19.564" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From these details, as you've seen,""" start="00:20:21.840" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go into even more detail. That's all there is to it.""" start="00:20:24.108" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Repeat this for infinity,""" start="00:20:27.892" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you get really really complex networks""" start="00:20:30.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can do a lot of amazing things in parallel""" start="00:20:32.876" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without interference.""" start="00:20:35.859" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Learn, Share, Grow""" start="00:20:39.068" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I just want to stress that the Zettelkasten""" start="00:20:39.068" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can help you to learn when you publish, when you share,""" start="00:20:42.440" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when you grow it and yourself in the process.""" start="00:20:47.033" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, design the Zettelkasten to be used.""" start="00:20:51.182" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Publish something, write a blog, share stuff with co-workers.""" start="00:20:54.084" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's powerful and that's so rewarding.""" start="00:20:58.160" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can in turn influence how you do it""" start="00:21:00.486" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next time in your Zettelkasten,""" start="00:21:04.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because now you can anticipate these kinds of arguments,""" start="00:21:06.034" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe I can do this early on,""" start="00:21:09.381" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you're prepared even more for the future""" start="00:21:11.980" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to share what you learn.""" start="00:21:15.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are also invited very warmly to our""" start="00:21:17.480" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community of practice in the Zettelkasten forums.""" start="00:21:20.160" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just share your journey, write about your projects,""" start="00:21:23.320" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask questions. Everyone's welcome, newbie to pro.""" start="00:21:26.156" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just get in touch with people, talk about the processes,""" start="00:21:29.794" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improve them, and eventually you'll figure out, well,""" start="00:21:32.675" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reaching enlightenment in that regard may not be that hard after all,""" start="00:21:35.362" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you're fine and good to go for the next projects""" start="00:21:39.980" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you tackle. Most importantly is to make this thing your own.""" start="00:21:42.954" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Zettelkasten, the method, the environment.""" start="00:21:48.560" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Create a thinking environment for you.""" start="00:21:50.747" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Create your own tools to think with.""" start="00:21:53.475" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This goes back to the meme of Shuhari,""" start="00:21:56.878" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is basically imitate and then deviate and innovate.""" start="00:21:59.379" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this invitation here is to imitate what I just laid out.""" start="00:22:02.801" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Imitate for a couple of years. One, two, three years.""" start="00:22:07.124" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The time goes by faster [snaps fingers] than you think.""" start="00:22:10.587" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then figure out ways to deviate from the doctrine,""" start="00:22:12.928" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to figure out ways to improve""" start="00:22:16.449" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and change the processes to fit you better.""" start="00:22:18.910" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you need to try to manifest""" start="00:22:22.031" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the best practices in your life first,""" start="00:22:24.452" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a while, to then figure out, well,""" start="00:22:26.653" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they are not that best after all""" start="00:22:28.834" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I need to change some of them.""" start="00:22:30.854" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you wouldn't know if you didn't try. So do try.""" start="00:22:33.055" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and with that I want to thank you.""" start="00:22:37.065" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for watching. That's it.""" start="00:22:38.640" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was the conference talk,""" start="00:22:40.250" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my short introduction to the Zettelkasten mechanics and habits.""" start="00:22:41.532" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Outro""" start="00:22:45.297" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I want to thank you so much for watching""" start="00:22:45.297" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and spending time with me on this topic,""" start="00:22:46.679" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on these two topics actually,""" start="00:22:48.381" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are very near and dear to my heart.""" start="00:22:50.144" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do share questions, ask questions in the etherpad.""" start="00:22:52.547" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you watch this after the conference""" start="00:22:55.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the live participation is long over,""" start="00:22:57.609" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""step into the forums and ask around there.""" start="00:23:01.191" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks also to Sacha and team for organizing EmacsConf 2025,""" start="00:23:04.633" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for having me. Well, I'm looking forward to hearing from""" start="00:23:09.235" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every one of you. So that's it.""" start="00:23:11.596" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Peace out and see you in the next one.""" start="00:23:14.257" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="zettelkasten-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Yes. All right. Take it away. Thank you, Christian. Thank you, too.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you could have the pad open at the same time,""" start="00:00:07.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can read the questions.""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I can start reading some to you while I'm here.""" start="00:00:11.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, no. I can read them.""" start="00:00:13.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was wondering whether I should maybe copy them into a new buffer.""" start="00:00:14.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they are also on screen. Increase the font size a bit.""" start="00:00:21.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm trying to do this on the fly.""" start="00:00:30.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe a bad idea. Let's see.""" start="00:00:39.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you're going to capture it""" start="00:00:41.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your Zettelkasten then. Is that what's happening?""" start="00:00:42.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I can start you off.""" start="00:00:45.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question is, I wonder what they use for the fancy animations.""" start="00:00:49.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was thinking about this because that's the first question""" start="00:00:56.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I was thinking about this""" start="00:00:59.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while I copied this stuff over.""" start="00:01:00.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What part is the fancy part?""" start="00:01:02.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can recommend books, like if anyone wants to have book recommendations""" start="00:01:09.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for how to make presentations with PowerPoint-like software""" start="00:01:13.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very simple way, we taught this at university.""" start="00:01:18.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was it now, some 15 years ago,""" start="00:01:23.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to students to make animation abuse""" start="00:01:25.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where everything was flashy and typed in or something.""" start="00:01:28.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't do this, but instead do a couple of very simple tasteful things""" start="00:01:32.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like fading through colors like filmmakers do, right?""" start="00:01:36.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fading through black to make a scene cut""" start="00:01:41.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just fade between things, the fanciness.""" start="00:01:44.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Presentation software stack, the fanciness.""" start="00:01:47.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't dial fanciness up,""" start="00:01:53.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just resorted to a very simple fade animations,""" start="00:01:55.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like fading stuff in and wipe, I think, for text effects.""" start="00:02:00.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was it, more or less.""" start="00:02:04.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for the lines, maybe the lines are fancy.""" start="00:02:06.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using Apple Keynote because I'm fastest with that,""" start="00:02:09.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I also usually, we taught this workshop with PowerPoint""" start="00:02:14.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think the LibreOffice stack got much better with that""" start="00:02:19.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well in the recent years,""" start="00:02:23.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't tried that in a long time""" start="00:02:24.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to like fiddle around and find all the knobs to dial.""" start="00:02:26.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the Apple presentation thingy has this nice feature""" start="00:02:31.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you draw an arrow with a tip,""" start="00:02:34.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have a special animation for line drawing,""" start="00:02:37.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is only available for line art.""" start="00:02:41.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it draws the arrow that moves around like that.""" start="00:02:42.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, presentation stack, Apple Keynote,""" start="00:02:45.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably not of interest for anyone here.""" start="00:02:48.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually don't use plain text presentation stuff, right?""" start="00:02:52.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I tried this, I tried this with markdown presentations,""" start="00:02:56.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slidey things, org presentation.""" start="00:03:03.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's always not enough control for the fiddly things""" start="00:03:08.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm interested in to make the experience great.""" start="00:03:12.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I wonder what are the fancy animations.""" start="00:03:17.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the stack, the stack is Apple Keynote, sorry.""" start="00:03:20.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, that's enough. Thank you for capturing.""" start="00:03:25.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are you not a fan? Okay. You saw this in the recording.""" start="00:03:30.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why on earth is autofill mode not enabled? I don't know.""" start="00:03:37.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it is the default, but apparently it isn't.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could also use visual line mode.""" start="00:03:48.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's built in as well, right? Visual line mode.""" start="00:03:52.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's so weird to be in this vanilla setup""" start="00:03:55.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not have all my key bindings""" start="00:03:58.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my normal stuff ready, so.""" start="00:04:00.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am not a fan of using asterisk headings in org mode.""" start="00:04:04.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's interesting to see how people have different styles of writing org content.""" start="00:04:08.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Am I not? What exactly? 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How you could use org-mode to use headings for this,""" start="00:04:36.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's an outliner first and foremost,""" start="00:04:44.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so outlining is very natural.""" start="00:04:48.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when I do in my personal setup,""" start="00:04:50.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have this what's called start indentation thingy.""" start="00:04:53.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enabled, so that means that everything""" start="00:04:58.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be indented one level from the start.""" start="00:05:01.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would probably fiddle around""" start="00:05:04.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with that to not get like crazy.""" start="00:05:05.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But also, I don't see, I don't see,""" start="00:05:07.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like really see when I look at this,""" start="00:05:12.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't see a potential to create subheadings,""" start="00:05:13.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, or even headings.""" start="00:05:17.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only heading here is the title,""" start="00:05:19.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in my perception of this node,""" start="00:05:21.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's one, It's two lists.""" start="00:05:24.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could group these in headings.""" start="00:05:27.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't. 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to.""" start="00:11:54.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'm also kind of self-restricting myself in a way""" start="00:11:57.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's a window,""" start="00:12:00.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's dark outside, and I'm well lit.""" start="00:12:01.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I just stand up and have no pants on,""" start="00:12:03.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't care that much what the neighbors like 10, 20 meters across think.""" start="00:12:05.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your mileage may vary then, right?""" start="00:12:12.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are restrictions that make sense""" start="00:12:15.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I didn't do something with it.""" start="00:13:06.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I was reading the book probably on a commute back then, on the train.""" start="00:13:10.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't take notes on the computer right away.""" start="00:13:15.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you feel caged in,""" start="00:13:18.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that may be a sign that you went too far on the,""" start="00:13:20.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to do this, I need to do that stage,""" start="00:13:24.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lose some of the playfulness.""" start="00:13:26.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There needs to be 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Like this kind of personal stuff.""" start="00:16:47.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's too much of the non-useful stuff""" start="00:16:52.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a tool that I want to use to think.""" start="00:16:55.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do see the appeal there.""" start="00:16:58.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, the org-roam, like that's a roam part.""" start="00:17:00.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch a lot of videos""" start="00:17:04.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on that to get a feel for this.""" start="00:17:05.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org-roam adopted this to make the connection easier""" start="00:17:07.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and replicate features. 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's not check um you get a 404 and then you could write a tool""" start="00:19:07.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that checks all the links periodically""" start="00:19:12.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and tells you about broken links like a broken link checker""" start="00:19:13.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that then looks up maybe automatically""" start="00:19:17.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last good version on archive.org""" start="00:19:19.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the Wayback Machine""" start="00:19:21.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then corrects the link with the archived version""" start="00:19:23.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the live one is 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I could look this up, right?""" start="00:25:02.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""STEM, what was STEM again? I'm doing a bad job.""" start="00:25:05.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Science, technology, engineering, mathematics.""" start="00:25:09.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so probably technology is the computer stuff.""" start="00:25:12.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, STEM.""" start="00:25:16.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dear audience, that's science, technology,""" start="00:25:17.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""engineering, mathematics, academic fields.""" start="00:25:19.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What should we make notes of?""" start="00:25:23.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The important bits are interconnected in a hierarchy,""" start="00:25:24.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually chapters of a book.""" start="00:25:27.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, someone did the job of making the order""" start="00:25:28.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of the chaotic findings""" start="00:25:31.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people did over hundreds of years for you.""" start="00:25:33.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's an order. But there are also many textbooks.""" start="00:25:35.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So opinions may vary. The presentation may vary.""" start="00:25:39.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some textbooks may click with you,""" start="00:25:42.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while others stay opaque, and you can't get into the meat.""" start="00:25:48.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I'm just typing the answer right now.""" start="00:25:59.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Copying information to another box is not, yeah.""" start="00:26:04.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see what the first answer is.""" start="00:26:13.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone posted that Zettelkasten is great for mathematics,""" start="00:26:17.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""incredible for computer science.""" start="00:26:21.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With OrgBabel you can have living source code, yes,""" start="00:26:22.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can execute from the node,""" start="00:26:25.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also true for a formula,""" start="00:26:26.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and LaTeX in interspersing of images and SVGs.""" start="00:26:28.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even use Agda if you want to.""" start="00:26:35.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ah, I think I know who typed the answer.""" start="00:26:37.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello, Oliver. If you want to have living proofs in your nodes,""" start="00:26:39.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even inline LaTeX is in here. 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question was how Zettelkasten is useful for these kinds of things""" start="00:28:07.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah it sounds like in these kinds of fields""" start="00:28:13.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you only deal with facts""" start="00:28:16.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's also kind of sort of true for psychology where you have a lot of""" start="00:28:18.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also law where you at least in at least in German""" start="00:28:24.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and our style of law where you have a lot of where you have thick books of law""" start="00:28:29.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very very little records,""" start="00:28:33.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's 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start="00:29:04.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you probably all know.""" start="00:29:08.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you do with these kinds of things?""" start="00:29:11.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need to collect a lot of stuff.""" start="00:29:12.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like the previous questionnaire mentioned,""" start="00:29:14.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, I'm just copying stuff over""" start="00:29:17.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I have a good time and can write about this""" start="00:29:19.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and create prose in the end.""" start="00:29:22.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like with mathematics, you can't.""" start="00:29:24.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can't do a lot when you're still working on the foundations.""" start="00:29:26.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, what do you want to do there?""" start="00:29:36.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't innovate there. You just need to learn the stuff.""" start="00:29:38.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Typing things out and creating your own organization""" start="00:29:41.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how things are connected there,""" start="00:29:45.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's where the depth of processing increases,""" start="00:29:49.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the actual depth of processing""" start="00:29:52.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it takes more effort""" start="00:29:53.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and affects more parts of your brain, basically,""" start="00:29:57.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which then helps with remembering stuff.""" start="00:30:01.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm trying not to go into a 10 minute tangent here, but""" start="00:30:03.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever tried to memorize stuff with flashcards""" start="00:30:12.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you put a, I don't know, coffee stain""" start="00:30:18.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a weird scribble or spilled something on one of these cards,""" start="00:30:20.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual physical cards there,""" start="00:30:24.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this card now has another piece of information""" start="00:30:26.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is actually important""" start="00:30:29.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it makes the card 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+[[!template text="""and just sitting in your chair""" start="00:31:52.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and relaxing because you're not engaged.""" start="00:31:54.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're losing, like you're using""" start="00:31:56.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bit of your brain matter to do the work""" start="00:31:58.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while the rest of your body is stagnant.""" start="00:32:01.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't smell anything different.""" start="00:32:04.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't hear, see, feel on your skin,""" start="00:32:07.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything's constant,""" start="00:32:09.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you're in a, what are these called?""" start="00:32:11.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These chambers where you're locked""" start="00:32:15.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into very salty water, I think.""" start="00:32:18.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Floating chambers, so sensual deprivation chambers.""" start="00:32:21.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're depriving yourself of a lot of sensual input""" start="00:32:24.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you just try to really focus""" start="00:32:29.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into everything with your head.""" start="00:32:31.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you engage more of your body,""" start="00:32:33.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you engage more of your senses,""" start="00:32:35.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you have an easier time there.""" start="00:32:36.008" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What does it have to do with this answer?""" start="00:32:37.675" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My answer would be the value is in rephrasing,""" start="00:32:40.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in making your own connections eventually.""" start="00:32:46.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, the foundational laws of geometry,""" start="00:32:51.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's no room for innovation,""" start="00:32:56.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's maybe a room for association.""" start="00:32:58.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, hey, I remember this, like, if you can't figure out""" start="00:33:00.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what the name of a certain axiom, lemma, whatever it is, and it has a name,""" start="00:33:03.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding your own story to the note doesn't hurt.""" start="00:33:09.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you say, hey, this is what my grandfather""" start="00:33:12.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taught me with wire and sticks when we tried to measure""" start="00:33:14.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever in the sand on a vacation one day.""" start="00:33:18.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And these kinds of things make it more memorable.""" start="00:33:22.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's at least something that you could need to then,""" start="00:33:26.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the ultimate purpose of STEM at university,""" start="00:33:31.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can pass the tests. 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They just fade away.""" start="00:34:00.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you capture them in some way or another,""" start="00:34:02.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as superficial as it may be,""" start="00:34:05.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you still have access to this later""" start="00:34:08.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you need to check your personal inventory""" start="00:34:10.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of mathematical proofs so my answer would be""" start="00:34:21.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's type in my answer""" start="00:34:30.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on either pad would be I'm not able to type.""" start="00:34:33.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. My answer would be this.""" start="00:34:46.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Foundational knowledge is important for tests mostly""" start="00:34:52.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eventually becomes your inventory of skills.""" start="00:35:05.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Synth programming, like I don't need to look up for loops,""" start="00:35:23.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just do for loops and that's it, right?""" start="00:35:25.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But still, I do have notes about for loops, I think,""" start="00:35:29.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in different languages, like Python,""" start="00:35:33.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, what is it called, list comprehension.""" start="00:35:34.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not using Python, but it's so quirky.""" start="00:35:37.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's quirky and I captured this on a note""" start="00:35:39.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I needed to get myself used to the pieces""" start="00:35:42.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I needed to look at the syntax anyway,""" start="00:35:45.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then this is that part and this goes there.""" start="00:35:48.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I did this work, like this separation stuff on a note""" start="00:35:50.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to then do the work with more engagement,""" start="00:35:55.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like engage more so I can remember more later.""" start="00:36:01.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember all the details,""" start="00:36:04.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do remember there were different parts,""" start="00:36:06.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I can look up the note.""" start="00:36:08.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it helps me refresh my memory rather quickly,""" start="00:36:09.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's written by me for me""" start="00:36:12.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way that I'm writing these notes""" start="00:36:15.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for 15 years or something.""" start="00:36:17.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""16, at least, 16 years or something.""" start="00:36:18.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's much better than looking, especially now,""" start="00:36:27.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's much better than going to the web""" start="00:36:30.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and doing a web search for the same topic,""" start="00:36:31.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I will probably not get the useful resource""" start="00:36:33.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I relied on some eight years ago anyway,""" start="00:36:37.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but some garbage instead,""" start="00:36:40.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe AI generated stuff, I don't know.""" start="00:36:41.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have my personal copy of this""" start="00:36:44.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's not just copying the thing into a box,""" start="00:36:48.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like from one box into another,""" start="00:36:50.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the public internet box into my own buffer,""" start="00:36:51.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a custom that's closer to me,""" start="00:36:53.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a fridge is closer to my kitchen""" start="00:36:56.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and where I want to eat when I'm hungry""" start="00:36:58.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than going to the supermarket""" start="00:37:01.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or out into the wild and hunt animals,""" start="00:37:02.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this is all about proximity""" start="00:37:04.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also brought about ownership, like I own these notes""" start="00:37:06.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I still take responsibility""" start="00:37:10.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for what I put on them to some degree""" start="00:37:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like sometimes they're really bad""" start="00:37:14.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want to distance myself,""" start="00:37:15.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but still yeah, so that's it, I'm just I'm leaving,""" start="00:37:17.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not typing this out, I'm leaving copy box fridge,""" start="00:37:23.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a term for this, wait a second,""" start="00:37:29.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setup custom fridge can be fridge-like buffer of knowledge""" start="00:37:32.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just, let me just try to copy this note verbatim into the etherpad""" start="00:37:38.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then see whether you folks can do something with it.""" start="00:37:48.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The formatting. See appendix A. I am doing this here.""" start="00:37:51.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appendix A. I'm not going to read this,""" start="00:38:00.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you have a FridgeLab buffer of knowledge.""" start="00:38:10.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Local link in the supply chain. That was the term.""" start="00:38:13.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Didn't remember that one.""" start="00:38:16.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's at least a local link in supply chain.""" start="00:38:18.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, engagement doing the work of not copying,""" start="00:38:28.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but rephrasing, organizing,""" start="00:38:36.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but sometimes also just typing the stuff in""" start="00:38:38.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's how people romanticize learning a basic""" start="00:38:46.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like there were magazines with a lot of code listings""" start="00:38:51.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they just typed the code it was quite some effort""" start="00:38:55.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you eventually got better at this""" start="00:38:58.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you did do mistakes and then you needed to correct""" start="00:39:00.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and look through the source code carefully to spot the typo""" start="00:39:03.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's apparently virtue, at least people claim it's a virtue.""" start="00:39:06.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't deny it's a virtue because I went through the same kind of crap""" start="00:39:11.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I believe it strengthened my character, for sure, but still.""" start="00:39:15.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe it's not that useful, but maybe it is. I don't know.""" start="00:39:20.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's studies I remember,""" start="00:39:26.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't remember any interesting results.""" start="00:39:27.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like it's a 10x improvement""" start="00:39:30.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of recall if you type this, but it may be significant.""" start="00:39:32.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just check it out for yourself. 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and will it pay off?""" start="00:43:44.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe if not, then maybe spend the time on something else""" start="00:43:48.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like don't try to exactly customize something you hate""" start="00:43:54.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to I don't know,""" start="00:43:57.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do your due diligence if you don't want to""" start="00:43:59.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then you'll hate the process""" start="00:44:04.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's worse than not using nodes a lot next questions,""" start="00:44:06.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how are nodes structured and accessed""" start="00:44:15.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the nodes grow from 10k to 100k nodes?""" start="00:44:17.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, that's a field of exploration,""" start="00:44:20.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean that the lower realm there I don't know anybody""" start="00:44:22.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's using a hyperlinked 100k node archive.""" start="00:44:25.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do know people who have a lot of text files""" start="00:44:32.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the Evernote style""" start="00:44:37.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they capture everything and put the verbatim copy into their stuff""" start="00:44:38.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they have a lot more items of course""" start="00:44:42.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but these don't really count,""" start="00:44:47.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are like web clippings of websites themselves""" start="00:44:51.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've read how many hundreds of websites today""" start="00:44:54.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could have captured everything automatically,""" start="00:44:58.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they wouldn't, like the files there, the clippings,""" start="00:45:02.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they wouldn't have contributed""" start="00:45:07.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything meaningfully to my knowledge base,""" start="00:45:10.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm not thinking about the stuff,""" start="00:45:12.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm thinking about the stuff that I'm spending time on.""" start="00:45:14.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What about that?""" start="00:45:16.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, how are nodes structured and accessed""" start="00:45:18.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the nodes go from one to 100k?""" start="00:45:20.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will imagine that it becomes a matter that's speculation.""" start="00:45:22.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll see. 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Thank you.""" start="00:45:55.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the clue there is,""" start="00:46:03.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eventually, you have hundreds or maybe thousands,""" start="00:46:04.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not hundreds or thousands, of structure nodes.""" start="00:46:10.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you have the same problem""" start="00:46:12.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you had on the lower base layer.""" start="00:46:13.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now you will probably look for another tool.""" start="00:46:16.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there is nothing else that's not also a structure node""" start="00:46:19.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] 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Let me check my Zettelkasten.""" start="00:49:30.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not on screen sharing. That was stupid.""" start="00:49:34.383" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm probably not going to watch it right now with everyone here,""" start="00:49:36.216" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so my thoughts on deleting and stuff like that.""" start="00:49:48.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do remember there was a very cleverly written, well-written post""" start="00:49:53.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the claim was, from my perspective,""" start="00:49:58.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's not doing the work of""" start="00:50:02.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not doing the work of the author justice.""" start="00:50:04.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the shortest summary is that there seems to be false contradiction,""" start="00:50:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the contradiction stems from how the opposite side,""" start="00:50:19.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the note taking, the deliberate note taking,""" start="00:50:24.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking a lot of notes,""" start="00:50:27.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the notes every time, stuff, like how this is presented.""" start="00:50:28.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would say this is more on the collecting""" start="00:50:31.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not on the connecting side of things.""" start="00:50:34.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like I mentioned for the, some 30 minutes ago""" start="00:50:36.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I talked about Roam, Roam Research.""" start="00:50:42.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you start your day with a daily note,""" start="00:50:45.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journal style, and then branch out from there,""" start="00:50:47.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you do at least have time as a structure""" start="00:50:50.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helps you to organize what you put in.""" start="00:50:53.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But also, it can get very messy""" start="00:50:57.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very weirdly interconnected,""" start="00:50:59.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this meme of the with a guy""" start="00:51:01.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""standing in front of a board""" start="00:51:04.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all these lines connecting things""" start="00:51:10.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just, you know, with the madness in his eyes""" start="00:51:14.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do a lot of stuff in there.""" start="00:51:17.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But at a certain point, it gets hard""" start="00:51:23.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to also get out of your own head, let's say.""" start="00:51:27.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you do it in this kind of style,""" start="00:51:30.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can get hard to get off your own head.""" start="00:51:33.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And one litmus test that you may find enjoyable""" start="00:51:35.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you struggle with this""" start="00:51:39.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to publish more. 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That also happens.""" start="00:54:14.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But then it's more like an article,""" start="00:54:16.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a long blog post, or an essay,""" start="00:54:18.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but never just vomiting thought out onto the page,""" start="00:54:21.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then you will get back to the note""" start="00:54:26.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you will find, hey, there's a lot of vomit.""" start="00:54:28.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you never follow this kind of phrase with nice.""" start="00:54:31.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I enjoyed reading that. It's always me.""" start="00:54:36.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oppressing because of its mass,""" start="00:54:40.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's also getting in the way of having new ideas""" start="00:54:43.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because whatever is there and you need to tangle it""" start="00:54:46.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you lost your new genuine idea,""" start="00:54:48.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this can also happen.""" start="00:54:52.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm not sure what the Westenberg video contains,""" start="00:54:56.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the sentiment there of deleting everything,""" start="00:55:00.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes sense if you find yourself in a situation""" start="00:55:03.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you don't have a productive system.""" start="00:55:07.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the notes from 2009 in my own Zettelkasten""" start="00:55:09.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""aren't of the highest quality standards""" start="00:55:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I rewrite most of them when I encounter them,""" start="00:55:15.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can still use a couple as is and sometimes they're just garbage,""" start="00:55:17.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as Luhmann said garbage like trickles to the ground""" start="00:55:23.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and forms a nice sediment layer there in the septic tank of your thought machine,""" start="00:55:28.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your thought thinking environment.""" start="00:55:34.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But clear water separates and then rises to the top""" start="00:55:36.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's what you work with.""" start="00:55:40.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's never going to be 100% useful. But if it's 90% garbage""" start="00:55:42.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if the water is, if the septic tank is never clearing,""" start="00:55:47.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you probably need to start""" start="00:55:51.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over and rethink your approach.""" start="00:55:54.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe there was just too much garbage,""" start="00:55:55.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too much toxic waste in there, whatever that means, right?""" start="00:55:57.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I do understand this, but also I would say""" start="00:56:01.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe maybe they tried to do too much with a different mindset""" start="00:56:07.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it just didn't click and then they,""" start="00:56:11.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know next question is there a danger?""" start="00:56:24.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also, wait a second, answer do not probably a lot of collection,""" start="00:56:27.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not a lot of stinking in the Zettelkasten to some purpose.""" start="00:56:41.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Usually. 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+[[!template text="""that's going to be your bottleneck""" start="00:58:20.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can't find black paper""" start="00:58:21.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put it into your typewriter and then like that's not the speed of thought""" start="00:58:24.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the speed of, I don't know, my long deceased grandmother""" start="00:58:30.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but yeah it's not like a strive for speed of thought tools""" start="00:58:35.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not needing a typewriter""" start="00:58:54.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then next step reduce ritual reduce rituals and ceremony""" start="00:59:00.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean by 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video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot give up quoting my sources""" start="00:59:35.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then I'm plagiarizing, stealing,""" start="00:59:37.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forgetting where I get ideas from and confuse.""" start="00:59:39.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I get out because I'm aware of the problem there.""" start="00:59:41.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also not trusting my own notes anymore.""" start="00:59:44.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would not be trusting my own notes anymore""" start="00:59:47.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""i need to properly cite so then i can see hey""" start="00:59:51.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this 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This is just a technical limitation""" start="01:00:57.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you can't have the same file name twice.""" start="01:01:00.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not going to be useful.""" start="01:01:02.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you give yourself the permission to take time""" start="01:01:05.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of titling your notes in one way and also changing titles,""" start="01:01:09.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you will know from writing introductions""" start="01:01:12.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the further you get along,""" start="01:01:16.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more and more you need to rewrite your introductions""" start="01:01:18.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because your understanding changes same for titles""" start="01:01:22.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""titles don't always stay consistent or constant""" start="01:01:24.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's why I don't link by title, because I would then need""" start="01:01:28.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go through my node archive and also need to go to""" start="01:01:31.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my node archive and need to correct all the links""" start="01:01:34.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a janitorial task I like to not do, if I can""" start="01:01:40.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So answer here, less ceremony, fewer ceremonies, plural.""" start="01:01:44.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Try to only do the minimum possible, minimum viable thing.""" start="01:01:49.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And using Emacs and D-Node, you get a lot of defaults.""" start="01:01:54.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you need to worry""" start="01:01:57.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not about IDs and tags that much,""" start="01:01:58.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or where to put them and how to put them.""" start="01:02:01.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can omit keywords. You can leave keywords out.""" start="01:02:04.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They don't scale anyway.""" start="01:02:06.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they may be interesting as a way to group,""" start="01:02:08.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also Sascha from zettelkasten.de, from our website,""" start="01:02:12.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sascha also found that, I believe, he,""" start="01:02:19.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""structures win in the long term.""" start="01:02:23.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Manual created hubs and overviews""" start="01:02:28.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""win over machine generated lumps.""" start="01:02:30.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because you need to reorient yourself""" start="01:02:34.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the search results all the time.""" start="01:02:37.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not as useful as having a pathway""" start="01:02:42.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through your nodes that you can follow.""" start="01:02:45.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It may not be a pathway through all of your nodes, of course,""" start="01:02:49.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it may be a pathway from entry point into some topic.""" start="01:02:52.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's why some things are essential and others aren't.""" start="01:02:56.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the essential stuff, try to do it quickly, get better at it,""" start="01:03:01.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""practice the movements, then they get out of the way,""" start="01:03:06.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can focus on having ideas""" start="01:03:08.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and typing them at speed of thought,""" start="01:03:10.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more or less, and then you're good.""" start="01:03:12.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope. Wishing you all the best. Next and last question.""" start="01:03:15.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you navigate looking at all posts with a certain text?""" start="01:03:20.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This might be an emacs, already new to emacs.""" start="01:03:24.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just may have answered this.""" start="01:03:26.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you navigate looking at all posts with a certain text?""" start="01:03:28.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to my actual node archive.""" start="01:03:40.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then php no language learning ah""" start="01:03:42.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is not my setup I'm very clumsy""" start="01:03:55.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I don't know swift language learning""" start="01:03:59.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ah that's that's a boring one php By this time, I could have also,""" start="01:04:03.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ah, there's the model. This would be an entry point""" start="01:04:28.466" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into my PHP atom molecule organism learning journey""" start="01:04:35.300" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I tried to practice, what's visual line mode, sorry,""" start="01:04:39.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I tried to practice this atom molecule thing on something new.""" start="01:04:43.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't used PHP in a long time""" start="01:04:48.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and found that I wasn't, yeah, you can see it on the screen also""" start="01:04:51.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like language primitives are the atoms,""" start="01:04:59.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think molecules are more like idioms or patterns that are PHP special in PHP""" start="01:05:01.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and different in other languages in Python""" start="01:05:08.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be list comprehension that's in a molecule""" start="01:05:10.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and but also you can make a point for hey,""" start="01:05:13.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this comprehension is more like a syntactical thing,""" start="01:05:16.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no no get out of here, like the for loop is the syntactical atom""" start="01:05:18.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the molecule is using the for loop""" start="01:05:23.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with weird other stuff""" start="01:05:25.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to then make the list comprehension happen.""" start="01:05:26.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's my argument there, okay? So what do we do with this?""" start="01:05:28.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use this as an entry point if I want to see,""" start="01:05:33.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, what kind of stuff did I take notes on""" start="01:05:38.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get a better understanding""" start="01:05:41.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on multiple levels of the language.""" start="01:05:43.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And project structure conventions""" start="01:05:45.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and usually another language""" start="01:05:47.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I use more here would be, but I can't remember now.""" start="01:05:49.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Funny, right? I can't remember how I would need to look,""" start="01:05:53.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think I'm too clumsy in Emacs""" start="01:05:57.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do it live on camera, sorry.""" start="01:05:58.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the organisms part here would also be like my own inventions,""" start="01:06:00.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say in code,""" start="01:06:05.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like my own discoveries where I found that in Swift, for example,""" start="01:06:06.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can express things on the type level""" start="01:06:11.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very sexy way sometimes.""" start="01:06:13.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I would put these there as well.""" start="01:06:15.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these are also,""" start="01:06:19.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are organisms to discover in the language reference,""" start="01:06:20.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also organisms to discover in the world,""" start="01:06:26.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they are your own inventions,""" start="01:06:30.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discoveries, more or less. And that's a sign of mastery.""" start="01:06:32.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you work more on these things,""" start="01:06:36.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you don't need to worry""" start="01:06:38.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the basics of the language anymore.""" start="01:06:40.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can use this as an entry point""" start="01:06:42.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get into things that are very PHP-esque.""" start="01:06:46.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When do I need this? When I want to talk about PHP,""" start="01:06:51.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like I do now.""" start="01:06:54.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why do I show this when the question is about tags?""" start="01:06:55.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because if I search for... Which one do I take?""" start="01:06:59.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try grep. php. Yep, grep exited the anomaly.""" start="01:07:10.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dang, why? Option requires an argument.""" start="01:07:22.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, eshell is there.""" start="01:07:28.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just use rg, ripgrep and then ripgrep for php.""" start="01:07:36.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see I get, I can do filenames only, right?""" start="01:07:43.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's not worry. I get a lot of, let's just scroll up.""" start="01:07:50.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get a lot more hits here for the PHP tech,""" start="01:07:56.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is only about PHP specific things,""" start="01:08:03.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not about anything that I do in PHP.""" start="01:08:06.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, I don't know, I don't take Laravel or Filament,""" start="01:08:09.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are frameworks, libraries in PHP,""" start="01:08:15.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Zend library or whatever, I don't know many.""" start="01:08:17.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I wouldn't take everything""" start="01:08:21.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and anything that is related to the php ecosystem""" start="01:08:23.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the php hashtag.""" start="01:08:27.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? Because then the tag becomes useless.""" start="01:08:28.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I only tag things that are about the language.""" start="01:08:30.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like how do I pass variables to php includes that's php related.""" start="01:08:33.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see these are... I'm still not at the top.""" start="01:08:39.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now i'm at the top these are a lot more findings than you could""" start="01:08:44.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these don't fit on the screen""" start="01:08:48.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are three pages i believe""" start="01:08:49.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the note about my language learning journey was""" start="01:08:51.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't even one full page here's white space""" start="01:08:55.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there wasn't okay right but still there's much more stuff""" start="01:08:59.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hashtag I don't use for navigating.""" start="01:09:02.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I only use this, let's say, the shotgun approach.""" start="01:09:07.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Sascha on our Zettelkasten blog post,""" start="01:09:10.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't remember which post, mentioned this as well.""" start="01:09:14.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes you need a sniper rifle.""" start="01:09:16.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes you need a shotgun.""" start="01:09:18.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the hashtag-based search would be I don't know what I'm looking for.""" start="01:09:21.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was PHP related. I hope I use the hashtag correctly""" start="01:09:27.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then kill all these nodes from my archive.""" start="01:09:32.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The metaphor doesn't work that way,""" start="01:09:36.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but still you get a lot of results here""" start="01:09:38.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you could use this as a way to filter from 11,000 nodes""" start="01:09:41.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down to 50 or so, maybe less.""" start="01:09:45.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you got this far, then you can start to do it in a mechanical way again.""" start="01:09:53.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But wait, if you have 100 or 1000 nodes in the results there,""" start="01:09:59.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can't mechanically go through all the nodes again.""" start="01:10:05.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can maybe skim and look""" start="01:10:08.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for something that catches your eye,""" start="01:10:09.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're lucky, and if that's the thing""" start="01:10:11.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works for you.""" start="01:10:14.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but usually no, like usually the text become useless""" start="01:10:15.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then maybe tag groups become more useful""" start="01:10:21.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like PHP and LSP which is on screen here""" start="01:10:24.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like then maybe the combination of two tags""" start="01:10:28.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that reduces the search terms enough""" start="01:10:30.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this is basically glorified full text search""" start="01:10:32.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you highlight certain terms of importance that's it,""" start="01:10:36.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wouldn't use I wouldn't put more effort in there""" start="01:10:41.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also maybe useful to group things by topic.""" start="01:10:45.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, study notes like, I don't know,""" start="01:10:48.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is my undergrad, third semester,""" start="01:10:52.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do you do in the third semester, I don't know,""" start="01:10:56.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""history of philosophy of science of birds,""" start="01:11:01.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very long course name, and then week 10.""" start="01:11:06.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you assemble everything""" start="01:11:10.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this very technical tagging.""" start="01:11:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can use these folders""" start="01:11:15.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to loosely group stuff together""" start="01:11:18.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that happened during that week.""" start="01:11:21.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you have 10 required readings and then do five of them,""" start="01:11:23.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they're also not closely interrelated,""" start="01:11:26.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will have read five to 10 different sources that you could process.""" start="01:11:28.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could maybe then also create an overview node""" start="01:11:33.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a preparation for the seminar""" start="01:11:36.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever happens at university.""" start="01:11:38.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then the hashtag becomes just a way to group things.""" start="01:11:44.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But once you create the structure node,""" start="01:11:51.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't need the hashtags to navigate anymore.""" start="01:11:52.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could then maybe use the hashtags not to navigate""" start="01:11:55.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to to clump, to create collections,""" start="01:11:57.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pre-assembled to some degree collections of things that exist already,""" start="01:12:02.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get them out there and then review them.""" start="01:12:07.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="01:12:31.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't recommend trying to do it that way.""" start="01:12:32.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my answer is going to be, how do you navigate""" start="01:12:34.900" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at all posts with certain tags? I don't.""" start="01:12:37.883" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tags are just a way to loosely group notes and stuff in general""" start="01:12:45.508" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can find potentially, PP, why doesn't P work?""" start="01:12:53.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Potentially relevant pieces of information more quickly.""" start="01:13:05.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Navigational aids. Create navigational aids""" start="01:13:14.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things that help you navigate like this is for a week""" start="01:13:34.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what did I say 10 of semester three""" start="01:13:38.050" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh the history of the sociology""" start="01:13:42.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the philosophy of science of birds""" start="01:13:44.633" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something lump things together there then you have a""" start="01:13:46.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you have a scratch pad to think on you do this""" start="01:13:51.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did do this when you went to university with paper anyway, right?""" start="01:13:54.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You would get your college book or whatever""" start="01:13:59.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you would take notes and these like that location""" start="01:14:01.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of that piece of paper in your college book""" start="01:14:04.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your whatever notes folder""" start="01:14:07.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the important piece of information""" start="01:14:09.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the scratchpad, the thinking environment for this course""" start="01:14:15.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if you have all the other things""" start="01:14:20.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you ever did at your disposal as well""" start="01:14:22.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe pull them in maybe pull them in""" start="01:14:24.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then bring them to the discussion""" start="01:14:26.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your professor or your teaching assistant""" start="01:14:28.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and asking about, well, I read these five books""" start="01:14:31.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you recommended for this week.""" start="01:14:35.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for recommending five whole books""" start="01:14:37.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for one week of reading. I really enjoyed that. Long pause.""" start="01:14:40.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you say, I also thought about other topics""" start="01:14:45.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and brought them into a, I don't know, dialectic or position.""" start="01:14:50.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you think about foxes in that regard""" start="01:14:54.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and their own history and subjectivity""" start="01:14:58.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when it comes to the bird's point of view or something, right?""" start="01:15:01.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can only do this if you either know this by heart""" start="01:15:08.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you do this a lot,""" start="01:15:11.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think a lot about this stuff or you do this,""" start="01:15:13.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you stumble upon this and then look for oppositions,""" start="01:15:15.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look for certain patterns in your notes""" start="01:15:18.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then try to pull them in and represent them again""" start="01:15:19.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they actually do exist and then you can work with this,""" start="01:15:22.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get on people's nerves""" start="01:15:26.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can write weird papers, essays""" start="01:15:27.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then get through your university studies quickly""" start="01:15:30.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe also become an interesting columnist,""" start="01:15:33.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, I've never been a columnist Right.""" start="01:15:35.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think these are all the questions.""" start="01:15:39.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to delete the leftover ones.""" start="01:15:44.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you enjoyed some of the answers.""" start="01:15:47.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much. Thank you. That's a lot.""" start="01:15:52.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll go back and get everything transcribed as well""" start="01:15:58.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can turn that into other articles in the future""" start="01:16:02.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's how this all works, right?""" start="01:16:08.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It all turns into writing. It all does.""" start="01:16:10.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All the rest is garbage.""" start="01:16:14.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know why we invented anything else.""" start="01:16:16.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only useful to transfer language before writing,""" start="01:16:20.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now you can just read.""" start="01:16:23.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have two people in the big blue button room""" start="01:16:26.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are still around, but I think they've got their, like,""" start="01:16:29.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they don't have microphones set up.""" start="01:16:33.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't know if you want to just, like, CryptKNFL,""" start="01:16:35.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to just follow up through the etherpad,""" start="01:16:40.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or email, I guess, in case you have further questions.""" start="01:16:44.340" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, if you want to wrap up,""" start="01:16:47.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know it's getting a little bit late over there,""" start="01:16:50.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're in your time zone. Thank you so much.""" start="01:16:52.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, all right. Thank you. You're welcome.""" start="01:16:55.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for joining and listening.""" start="01:16:59.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'll wrap it up here then.""" start="01:17:02.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hi@christiantietze.de](mailto:hi@christiantietze.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20zettelkasten%3A%20Zettelkasten%20for%20regular%20Emacs%20hackers) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/zettelkasten-before.md b/2025/info/zettelkasten-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4cfea6fc --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/zettelkasten-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 24-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten> +Status: TO_INDEX_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-zettelkasten"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-zettelkasten" data=""" +00:01.400 Introduction +01:25.534 Advocating Freedoms +02:29.680 What Is This About? +04:36.534 Write - Essential Mechanic +05:09.601 Connect - Essential Mechanic +05:34.268 Correct - Essential Habit +06:49.434 Design for Use - Habit +07:43.920 Create Structure - Mechanic +08:47.968 Start in the Zettelkasten - Mechanic +09:32.401 Start with a Link - Mechanic +09:54.568 Recap +13:22.034 Facilitate Growth +14:46.140 Emacs demo +20:39.068 Learn, Share, Grow +22:45.297 Outro + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 23:18 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.opus">Download --main.opus (20MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.webm">Download --main.webm (41MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--script.org">Download --script.org</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/wE8vCWyr1Eo">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-zettelkasten"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-zettelkasten-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 1:17:07 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.json">Download --answers.json (1.5MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (152MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (39MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (166MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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