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<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Amin Bandali,""" start="00:00:02.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and today I'd like to talk about""" start="00:00:04.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs""" start="00:00:06.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using Gnus specifically.""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Gnus has had this sort of reputation""" start="00:00:14.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of being difficult to approach and configure.""" start="00:00:16.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's understandable""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because it has many, many options""" start="00:00:23.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and major and minor modes""" start="00:00:26.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that interact in different ways with each other.""" start="00:00:27.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it also doesn't help that Gnus started originally""" start="00:00:30.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as a newsreader""" start="00:00:35.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""rather than a mail client.""" start="00:00:36.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So a lot of the terminology that it uses""" start="00:00:38.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is also rooted in that,""" start="00:00:40.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in reading and writing news.""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But nevertheless, with this video and talk,""" start="00:00:45.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I hope to provide a sort""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of very quick introduction""" start="00:00:52.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of starting to use Gnus""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to read and write email and send it.""" start="00:00:57.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We will use Gnus' IMAP support,""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mainly because a lot of people""" start="00:01:02.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these days have email accounts""" start="00:01:06.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with mail service providers""" start="00:01:08.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that support IMAP,""" start="00:01:10.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is an open standard.""" start="00:01:12.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it's widely available and supported""" start="00:01:14.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""across many different providers""" start="00:01:17.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as well as mail clients or mail user agents as well.""" start="00:01:19.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, so let's just jump straight right in.""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will enter this demo directory that I created""" start="00:01:30.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for the purposes of this demonstration""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and change my home directory to this one""" start="00:01:36.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that we can safely experiment with Gnus here.""" start="00:01:41.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For this presentation, I've written up""" start="00:01:49.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a quick initialization file or init file""" start="00:01:53.980" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I will share afterwards as well""" start="00:01:56.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to get us going with Gnus.""" start="00:01:59.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's not much to it at the moment.""" start="00:02:01.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just set up the package archives and""" start="00:02:04.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""install the keycast package""" start="00:02:07.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for showing the key presses in the mode line.""" start="00:02:09.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, that's about it.""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I'll also define""" start="00:02:15.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a little like inline function +emacs.d""" start="00:02:16.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that allows me to conveniently write""" start="00:02:20.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and have it expanded""" start="00:02:24.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or refer to files and directories, rather,""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""paths that we could expand,""" start="00:02:29.301" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inside my Emacs configuration directory.""" start="00:02:30.901" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I also have this eval-last-sexp""" start="00:02:32.834" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""bound to a global key,""" start="00:02:37.501" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that I will be able to easily""" start="00:02:41.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""use it for this talk.""" start="00:02:43.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, let's jump right in.""" start="00:02:47.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Don't panic""" start="00:02:49.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First things first, don't panic.""" start="00:02:49.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And that's actually also the name""" start="00:02:52.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the very first node""" start="00:02:55.268" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the Gnus manual when you open it.""" start="00:02:58.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it's actually nice.""" start="00:03:01.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I definitely, definitely recommend""" start="00:03:02.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you look through""" start="00:03:04.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at least the very first couple of chapters of this,""" start="00:03:07.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""skim through it, and later on refer to it""" start="00:03:10.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""whenever you find something confusing""" start="00:03:14.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or don't understand it.""" start="00:03:16.134" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yeah, we'll start""" start="00:03:19.500" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with these two paragraphs here.""" start="00:03:21.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So again, a Gnus installation""" start="00:03:22.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is basically just a list of one or more servers""" start="00:03:23.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the subscribed groups from those servers""" start="00:03:28.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and articles in those groups.""" start="00:03:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can already kind of see""" start="00:03:32.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where that influence of a newsreader comes in.""" start="00:03:34.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yeah, basically what it's saying is that,""" start="00:03:39.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, we have one or more servers.""" start="00:03:41.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can think of them as email servers.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Groups can be like, we can think""" start="00:03:47.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of them as folders or directories.""" start="00:03:49.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah, articles,""" start="00:03:52.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""those would be like our email messages.""" start="00:03:55.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Configuring servers""" start="00:03:58.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""With Gnus, we can add""" start="00:03:58.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and configure servers mainly using two variables.""" start="00:03:59.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""One of them is the gnus-select-method""" start="00:04:06.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the other is gnus-secondary-select-methods.""" start="00:04:07.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The first one predates the second one""" start="00:04:11.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I generally don't recommend using it, because""" start="00:04:15.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""first of all, it can only point""" start="00:04:17.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to one server, and that server,""" start="00:04:22.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because it's the primary,""" start="00:04:26.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then Gnus won't add a prefix to its groups,""" start="00:04:27.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so later on, as you get into""" start="00:04:32.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more advanced features of Gnus""" start="00:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and, for example, want to write rules""" start="00:04:36.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to modify your message composition""" start="00:04:38.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in a way for certain groups, or file mail,""" start="00:04:42.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""automatically classify mail,""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this distinction can become""" start="00:04:48.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""confusing and annoying.""" start="00:04:51.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""My recommendation is to always and only use""" start="00:04:53.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the gnus-secondary-select-methods.""" start="00:04:57.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, so let's do that here.""" start="00:05:01.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm gonna uncomment this portion.""" start="00:05:07.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So here, I set the primary select method to nil,""" start="00:05:10.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the second one, I define an nnimap server""" start="00:05:16.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the nnimap backend.""" start="00:05:24.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I give it the name ec25gnus.""" start="00:05:30.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What I want it to do is to""" start="00:05:32.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""connect to my mail server,""" start="00:05:35.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is at this address,""" start="00:05:37.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and fetch emails from it over TLS with this username.""" start="00:05:41.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text=""".authinfo""" start="00:05:46.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And then the passwords or the credentials,""" start="00:05:46.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can put them in the .authinfo file.""" start="00:05:50.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Normally, you would want to, for example,""" start="00:05:56.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""encrypt this file with your GPG key.""" start="00:05:58.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But for this demonstration, I haven't.""" start="00:06:03.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, the format is the keyword &quot;machine&quot;""" start="00:06:06.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""followed by the name of your Gnus server or account,""" start="00:06:10.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""followed by the word &quot;login&quot;,""" start="00:06:15.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then your login username,""" start="00:06:17.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then the password, which here it's not shown.""" start="00:06:19.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:06:23.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Configuration""" start="00:06:26.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But before we actually set this,""" start="00:06:26.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll just show you that if we like start Gnus""" start="00:06:28.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with M-x gnus,""" start="00:06:31.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""initially, it will just show""" start="00:06:33.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""an error like this.""" start="00:06:36.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Even if we continue, it's empty.""" start="00:06:37.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's not much because Gnus doesn't know""" start="00:06:40.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where to fetch these emails from.""" start="00:06:43.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And that's what we will configure.""" start="00:06:47.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Excuse me.""" start="00:06:52.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, so just for convenience,""" start="00:06:55.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can bind Gnus to,""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for example, C-c g, as I've done here.""" start="00:06:59.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You will want to set your name""" start="00:07:00.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and email address, like so.""" start="00:07:04.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here we tell Emacs""" start="00:07:05.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we are going to be using Gnus for reading email,""" start="00:07:09.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because Emacs comes""" start="00:07:11.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with other email clients as well,""" start="00:07:12.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""such as Rmail, and in fact, defaults to Rmail,""" start="00:07:14.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so this way, we tell it to use Gnus.""" start="00:07:18.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""By default, Gnus puts its newsrc file and other files,""" start="00:07:24.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I believe it still scatters them""" start="00:07:31.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in a few different directories""" start="00:07:34.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in your home directory,""" start="00:07:35.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so it's a little bit messy.""" start="00:07:36.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So what I prefer to do is to just put it""" start="00:07:37.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""all under the Gnus directory""" start="00:07:40.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inside of my Emacs configuration, as I do here.""" start="00:07:42.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, and then here we just tell Gnus""" start="00:07:47.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to, like, don't try to bother""" start="00:07:50.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with a generic newsrc file""" start="00:07:53.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that would be shared""" start="00:07:55.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with other news readers.""" start="00:07:57.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just want to use it for email.""" start="00:07:58.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah, so we just tell Gnus""" start="00:07:59.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to keep all of its data""" start="00:08:01.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inside a dedicated .newsrc.eld""" start="00:08:03.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""(for Emacs Lisp data) file instead.""" start="00:08:08.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And we can also have Gnus not prompt us""" start="00:08:12.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when we want to exit with q.""" start="00:08:15.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Anyway, so let's go ahead and evaluate this.""" start="00:08:19.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this has been set,""" start="00:08:23.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Starting Gnus""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""so if we type M-x gnus again, or hit C-c g,""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""now we're faced with an empty buffer,""" start="00:08:32.268" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it says no news is good news,""" start="00:08:35.700" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and that's actually""" start="00:08:37.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""one of the characteristics of Gnus""" start="00:08:38.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is that by default it tries""" start="00:08:40.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to like sort of declutter""" start="00:08:44.780" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and show us a little less possible""" start="00:08:47.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the group buffer,""" start="00:08:49.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""meaning that if you don't have""" start="00:08:50.820" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""any groups with unread or marked""" start="00:08:53.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or, like, starred messages, it will not show them.""" start="00:08:55.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""To actually see all of our groups or folders,""" start="00:09:00.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we hit shift L or capital L,""" start="00:09:03.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we see that we have an inbox here,""" start="00:09:08.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as expected. So we enter the inbox,""" start="00:09:12.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we see that there is an article there""" start="00:09:14.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it's already been marked as read.""" start="00:09:17.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But if we mark it as unread""" start="00:09:20.780" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and exit and enter Gnus again,""" start="00:09:22.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is what we would see.""" start="00:09:25.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We would see that our group""" start="00:09:27.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then we enter it, we see our mail here.""" start="00:09:28.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, and this is our very first email""" start="00:09:34.100" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we read in GNU Emacs here, inside Gnus.""" start="00:09:36.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Always showing groups""" start="00:09:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It might be useful to have Gnus always show""" start="00:09:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""certain groups or folders""" start="00:09:43.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even if they don't have""" start="00:09:46.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""anything unread or marked inside of them.""" start="00:09:48.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The way we can do that is""" start="00:09:52.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by setting this variable""" start="00:09:56.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""gnus-permanently-visible-groups""" start="00:09:57.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to a regular expression""" start="00:10:01.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that describes the name of these groups.""" start="00:10:03.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if we launch Gnus again,""" start="00:10:09.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this time, we see that that group is visible,""" start="00:10:11.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even though there's no unread messages in it.""" start="00:10:14.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading messages""" start="00:10:19.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""When we enter a group or folder,""" start="00:10:19.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we will see a list of all of our messages.""" start="00:10:24.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here, we only have one.""" start="00:10:26.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can press M-u or Alt-u""" start="00:10:27.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to mark something as unread.""" start="00:10:31.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can press d to mark it as read.""" start="00:10:34.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you press just u,""" start="00:10:38.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it'll tick the article,""" start="00:10:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is kind of the equivalent""" start="00:10:41.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of marking the message or email""" start="00:10:44.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as starred in other email clients""" start="00:10:47.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""such as Thunderbird.""" start="00:10:50.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We see that when there are groups""" start="00:10:55.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that have starred or ticked messages""" start="00:11:00.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inside of them,""" start="00:11:03.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Gnus will mark them""" start="00:11:04.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with this little star here, or asterisk.""" start="00:11:05.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This talk is just barely""" start="00:11:16.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""scratching the surface.""" start="00:11:17.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see how far...""" start="00:11:19.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How am I doing with the time?""" start="00:11:21.081" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, 11 minutes already.""" start="00:11:22.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Debugging IMAP""" start="00:11:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Just a couple of helpful things here,""" start="00:11:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like this nnimap-record-commands variable.""" start="00:11:32.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's useful when you want to debug""" start="00:11:36.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""your IMAP setup with Gnus.""" start="00:11:38.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you set it to anything non-nil,""" start="00:11:40.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it will log the commands that it runs""" start="00:11:42.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to a special `\*imap log\*` buffer.""" start="00:11:46.700" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And here I just set it""" start="00:11:49.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to this init-file-debug variable,""" start="00:11:50.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is set to non-nil""" start="00:11:52.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""whenever you launch Emacs""" start="00:11:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with the --debug-init switch,""" start="00:11:56.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that's pretty helpful.""" start="00:11:59.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You want to also set your sent folder,""" start="00:12:02.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""basically, where Gnus will save""" start="00:12:05.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a copy of the message that you just sent.""" start="00:12:07.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Normally, I think the convention these days is,""" start="00:12:09.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a lot of you know servers and clients""" start="00:12:12.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""use a dedicated sent folder,""" start="00:12:16.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but with Gnus, I just prefer to use INBOX itself.""" start="00:12:18.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Mainly because then I will have""" start="00:12:24.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""threading working for free,""" start="00:12:27.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I can read the entire thread""" start="00:12:28.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of an email chain there in one place.""" start="00:12:31.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Of course, we don't have to keep""" start="00:12:34.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the messages in there forever.""" start="00:12:35.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And in fact, Gnus has facilities,""" start="00:12:38.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""both manual and automated,""" start="00:12:42.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for expiring emails into""" start="00:12:43.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""different locations or different folders.""" start="00:12:46.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah. So let's move on here.""" start="00:12:52.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Topics""" start="00:12:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Topics are another nice feature of Gnus.""" start="00:12:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this is useful""" start="00:13:02.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for creating some topics""" start="00:13:03.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then classifying or grouping""" start="00:13:05.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""your directories there.""" start="00:13:08.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we will see the use""" start="00:13:10.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of this in a moment,""" start="00:13:11.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where, let's say, I want to add""" start="00:13:13.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a second account to Gnus.""" start="00:13:17.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This one I'm going to call ec25work.""" start="00:13:20.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's pretend that""" start="00:13:23.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is my work email.""" start="00:13:24.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if we open Gnus now,""" start="00:13:29.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we see that our work INBOX""" start="00:13:32.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""also shows up here.""" start="00:13:37.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And because we enabled topic mode,""" start="00:13:37.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we see that we have""" start="00:13:41.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these sort of buttons""" start="00:13:42.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like Gnus and misc here.""" start="00:13:43.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And we can, I believe,""" start="00:13:44.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""create a topic with capital T n.""" start="00:13:46.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can call it personal, this one.""" start="00:13:49.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's create another one, work.""" start="00:13:52.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then what we can do is go""" start="00:13:56.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""over the directory that we want,""" start="00:13:59.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for example, this one,""" start="00:14:02.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hit capital T m to move it""" start="00:14:04.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to the personal topic,""" start="00:14:08.220" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and this work one,""" start="00:14:11.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""move it to the work topic.""" start="00:14:13.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we can nicely classify""" start="00:14:15.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and group our groups folders here,""" start="00:14:17.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is especially useful""" start="00:14:23.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when you have hundreds of them.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Customizing message display""" start="00:14:25.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Anyhow, we can customize""" start="00:14:25.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""different aspects of message display.""" start="00:14:29.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like for example,""" start="00:14:35.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can this way customize""" start="00:14:35.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and change the order of""" start="00:14:38.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which headers we want to see and where.""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if I launch Gnus""" start="00:14:41.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and go back to this email here,""" start="00:14:45.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these are the headers that we see at the top.""" start="00:14:48.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Excuse me.""" start="00:14:52.140" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And with Gnus we can always""" start="00:14:52.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can have it show all the headers""" start="00:14:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by pressing t to toggle the headers.""" start="00:14:57.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here we can see all the nitty-gritty""" start="00:15:02.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and all of the headers in the message""" start="00:15:04.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we can toggle it back with t again.""" start="00:15:06.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can modify and customize the sorting""" start="00:15:12.220" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with dedicated sorting functions.""" start="00:15:16.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It comes with a number of them""" start="00:15:20.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""out of the box""" start="00:15:21.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but we can define them as well.""" start="00:15:21.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sending emails""" start="00:15:24.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now to send emails. Let's see.""" start="00:15:24.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We will be using message,""" start="00:15:29.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and that's what Gnus itself uses.""" start="00:15:31.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I will set things up here.""" start="00:15:34.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:15:38.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, so first of all,""" start="00:15:42.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we want to have Gnus mark""" start="00:15:44.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the messages that we write to others""" start="00:15:46.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as read automatically,""" start="00:15:48.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so this option does that.""" start="00:15:49.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then we define posting styles this way""" start="00:15:51.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using the prefix, the name""" start="00:15:58.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the IMAP server.""" start="00:16:01.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And this is how we can tell it to use""" start="00:16:04.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what email address for the From [header]""" start="00:16:06.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and which SMTP server to send it with.""" start="00:16:09.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, and then gcc is where Gnus will save""" start="00:16:14.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the copy of the messages that we write.""" start="00:16:17.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if we go ahead and launch Gnus again.""" start="00:16:20.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can go into our personal email here,""" start="00:16:24.140" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hit m to compose a new message.""" start="00:16:26.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can prepare an email to,""" start="00:16:28.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""let's say, our work address.""" start="00:16:33.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Hello from EmacsConf 2025 Gnus talk.""" start="00:16:35.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Hello, this is just a test. :)""" start="00:16:42.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, and we hit send.""" start="00:16:47.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The sending will be done""" start="00:16:55.740" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using Emacs's built-in SMTP libraries.""" start="00:16:56.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sometimes it can take a moment.""" start="00:17:03.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, that's it. It's done.""" start="00:17:05.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if we go back out""" start="00:17:07.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and if we hit g to get new news,""" start="00:17:09.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we should be able to see our new email there""" start="00:17:11.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the other account that we just sent it to.""" start="00:17:15.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we can come here, open it,""" start="00:17:17.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and there we go.""" start="00:17:22.361" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Plans""" start="00:17:26.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is a lot to configure in Gnus,""" start="00:17:26.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we're just barely scratching the surface,""" start="00:17:29.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and unfortunately I don't have the time""" start="00:17:31.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to explain all of these""" start="00:17:34.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I do plan on doing""" start="00:17:35.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a much longer running series,""" start="00:17:36.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""whether it's text or videos,""" start="00:17:38.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""showing how to configure""" start="00:17:41.500" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and use a lot of these different aspects of Gnus.""" start="00:17:42.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yeah, here, near the end, just a couple of...""" start="00:17:45.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""quick things. I find it's nice to have message""" start="00:17:49.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""prompt us for [confirmation]""" start="00:17:54.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we do want to send a message.""" start="00:17:56.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Actually, when it does that, I take""" start="00:17:59.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""another look over my email""" start="00:18:01.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to make sure I don't have any typos.""" start="00:18:02.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's generally a good idea to wrap your messages""" start="00:18:07.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""around 70 or 72 characters.""" start="00:18:09.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We do that here.""" start="00:18:14.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can tell Gnus to forward messages""" start="00:18:16.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as a proper MIME part,""" start="00:18:19.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""instead of some half-broken way.""" start="00:18:22.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This customization, the sendmail function,""" start="00:18:27.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is how we tell Gnus with message""" start="00:18:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to use the SMTP library to sending the email,""" start="00:18:34.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and these two variables are useful for""" start="00:18:38.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""omitting our own email address""" start="00:18:42.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when we want to send someone,""" start="00:18:45.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like when we hit r, to reply to someone.""" start="00:18:47.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if we configure these variables,""" start="00:18:50.180" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then Gnus won't add""" start="00:18:51.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""our own address to the To or Cc,""" start="00:18:52.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is pretty useful.""" start="00:18:56.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I also find it helpful""" start="00:18:58.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to unbind C-c C-s.""" start="00:18:59.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's another key""" start="00:19:03.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for sending the message [in addition to C-c C-c].""" start="00:19:04.975" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And because C-c C-d,""" start="00:19:06.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is very close to it on the QWERTY layout,""" start="00:19:09.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is useful for saving a draft""" start="00:19:13.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then coming back to it,""" start="00:19:15.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally hit C-c C-s,""" start="00:19:16.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and send the message prematurely.""" start="00:19:20.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I unbind it.""" start="00:19:22.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, anyway, that's about it.""" start="00:19:25.980" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:19:27.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""That's a kind of very quick tour""" start="00:19:27.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and introduction of setting up Gnus.""" start="00:19:31.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here, we just configured a remote IMAP server,""" start="00:19:37.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but we can also, of course,""" start="00:19:40.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""set up a local IMAP server such as Dovecot""" start="00:19:43.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and point Gnus to there,""" start="00:19:46.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and use programs like OfflineIMAP, I believe,""" start="00:19:48.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or the mbsync program from isync package""" start="00:19:52.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or isync project to synchronize our messages""" start="00:19:57.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to local mail directories""" start="00:20:02.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then point Gnus to it.""" start="00:20:04.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The reason we might want to use that""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is to always have a copy of our messages at hand""" start="00:20:08.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so we can use offline.""" start="00:20:11.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""nnimap""" start="00:20:12.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And why use nnimap specifically?""" start="00:20:12.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""As of now, the Maildir backend included with Gnus""" start="00:20:17.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is very inefficient,""" start="00:20:27.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""especially when dealing with""" start="00:20:29.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tens or hundreds of thousands of messages""" start="00:20:31.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like some of us are.""" start="00:20:33.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It just takes an eternity to try""" start="00:20:36.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and index them and get going.""" start="00:20:38.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In that case, what I recommend doing""" start="00:20:43.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is instead of interfacing directly with Maildir,""" start="00:20:44.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for Gnus, just install and run""" start="00:20:47.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Dovecot, a local IMAP server,""" start="00:20:52.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and point Gnus to that.""" start="00:20:54.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I plan on writing tutorials or doing videos""" start="00:20:59.820" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about these other aspects""" start="00:21:02.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of configuring Gnus after the conference.""" start="00:21:06.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's about it for me,""" start="00:21:10.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I hope you find this helpful.""" start="00:21:11.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you have any questions,""" start="00:21:14.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""please feel free to email me""" start="00:21:16.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at bandali@gnu.org or @kelar.org.""" start="00:21:18.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can take a look at my personal website""" start="00:21:23.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where I plan on posting""" start="00:21:25.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""other Emacs and Gnus materials.""" start="00:21:26.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah, thank you for watching""" start="00:21:31.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:21:33.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Take care.""" start="00:21:35.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

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Captioner: sachac

<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gnus-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1>

[[!template text="""Okay, so first question.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I noticed that it took considerable amount of time to send email.""" start="00:00:02.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Is it possible to configure to use an external SMTP client""" start="00:00:05.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to send emails? Right, yes, it definitely is possible.""" start="00:00:09.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In fact, in the past, I've used, I believe, MSMTP,""" start="00:00:14.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is a small SMTP implementation""" start="00:00:18.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's independent of Emacs. So you can do that.""" start="00:00:23.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's also possible to, pointed""" start="00:00:27.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to have it use the sendmail binary on your system.""" start="00:00:30.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you have a local MTA mail transfer agents""" start="00:00:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like Exim or Postfix installed and configure.""" start="00:00:41.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I believe that should also dispatch""" start="00:00:46.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and return instantaneously""" start="00:00:50.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then have Postfix or Exim""" start="00:00:51.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""deal with sending the message on their terms""" start="00:00:55.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""without blocking Emacs. I don't know, it depends.""" start="00:00:57.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Normally it's not always that slow. Sometimes it is.""" start="00:01:02.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think it also depends on the load on your mail server.""" start="00:01:04.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sometimes it's instantaneous, sometimes not.""" start="00:01:11.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I hope that helps.""" start="00:01:14.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see, is the Dovecot workaround""" start="00:01:17.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""actually a solution?""" start="00:01:20.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I haven't tried it, but if it works smoothly,""" start="00:01:21.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll surely do so. It is, it really is.""" start="00:01:24.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've actually been using that setup for many years.""" start="00:01:27.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can't remember. Oh, I believe it's Eric Abramson""" start="00:01:31.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""who first shared instructions on how to set this up.""" start="00:01:45.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see if I can find it. There we go. Yeah, this is it.""" start="00:01:49.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll share this on IRC as well.""" start="00:02:04.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, so Dovecot is very, very efficient.""" start="00:02:06.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's written in C. And yeah, when you point Gnu's""" start="00:02:15.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to an IMAP server like Dovecot,""" start="00:02:21.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""dealing with email is pretty instantaneous.""" start="00:02:23.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This article or post by Eric is great.""" start="00:02:25.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Although I will say that""" start="00:02:29.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there was a recent major release of Dovecot.""" start="00:02:32.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can't remember if it's 2.4 or 2.5.""" start="00:02:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it's a breaking change.""" start="00:02:37.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They change a lot of the configuration syntax,""" start="00:02:39.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so there's a high likelihood""" start="00:02:42.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that this drop-in configuration won't work,""" start="00:02:44.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even though that's what I used""" start="00:02:47.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as my starting point a couple years ago.""" start="00:02:49.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will be writing an article on my personal site""" start="00:02:51.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to go over how to configure recent versions of Dofconn""" start="00:02:56.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for such a setup, for a local setup.""" start="00:03:02.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see. Do you have experience with Mu4e or not much?""" start="00:03:07.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And why would you say Gnus is worth using compared to these?""" start="00:03:15.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do have experience with these,""" start="00:03:22.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""although it goes back many years,""" start="00:03:23.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I'm sure both of these have evolved since,""" start="00:03:25.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and they're great pieces of software in their own rights.""" start="00:03:27.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And actually I did use them in that order.""" start="00:03:31.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like I first tried Mu4e in Emacs,""" start="00:03:33.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when I started using email in Emacs,""" start="00:03:37.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then I tried Notmuch for a while, and then I went to Gnus.""" start="00:03:40.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They're great. They have like pros and cons.""" start="00:03:44.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Mu4e, I believe, has""" start="00:03:51.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""excellent maildir handling directly,""" start="00:03:52.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if I'm not mistaken, unlike Gnus,""" start="00:03:55.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so you can point it directly""" start="00:03:58.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to your maildirs locally,""" start="00:04:00.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it should work fine,""" start="00:04:03.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if I'm remembering correctly.""" start="00:04:06.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""NotMuch is also excellent.""" start="00:04:08.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The thing with Notmuch""" start="00:04:11.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is that it uses Xapien""" start="00:04:12.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for indexing and searching email.""" start="00:04:13.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's tag-based, so you can tag messages.""" start="00:04:17.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then, yeah, it's amazing""" start="00:04:20.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for tagging and searching capabilities,""" start="00:04:24.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""very powerful search features.""" start="00:04:26.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And my reason for trying Gnus""" start="00:04:28.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then, I don't know, eventually""" start="00:04:31.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""liking it was couple of years ago,""" start="00:04:33.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I went through this kind of phase""" start="00:04:37.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of trying and trying to like use""" start="00:04:38.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and stick with packages""" start="00:04:40.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that are built into GNU Emacs""" start="00:04:43.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as much as possible.""" start="00:04:45.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No particular reason that I would like,""" start="00:04:47.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, recommend people do that per se,""" start="00:04:51.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but yeah, that's just what I wanted to do.""" start="00:04:54.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Cause I noticed my configurations""" start="00:04:57.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""were like growing unwieldy.""" start="00:05:00.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I, like many others declared, Emacs in its bankruptcy,""" start="00:05:02.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in its file bankruptcy, and configure things from scratch""" start="00:05:07.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and try to use whatever that Emacs had to offer""" start="00:05:11.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""built in itself, and then only reach for a couple""" start="00:05:15.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of external packages here and there.""" start="00:05:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So that's what I went to. That's how I ended up on Gnu's.""" start="00:05:20.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it's been very nice.""" start="00:05:24.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've tried a few other email clients""" start="00:05:26.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""since then, temporarily,""" start="00:05:29.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like I tried AERC, A-E-R-C,""" start="00:05:31.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is not built into Emacs,""" start="00:05:33.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I don't know,""" start="00:05:36.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I keep coming back to Gnus.""" start="00:05:36.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's great to have it all, to be able to do all these things""" start="00:05:38.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from within GNU Emacs. Let's see, some notes and feedback.""" start="00:05:42.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you for all the kind words folks, appreciate it.""" start="00:05:47.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm glad that you found the presentation helpful""" start="00:05:52.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or somewhat useful. Let's see, new question.""" start="00:05:56.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Oh, and I will check IRC as well.""" start="00:05:59.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see, at my organization,""" start="00:06:02.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we're forced to use OAuth with Outlook,""" start="00:06:06.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and they've also blacklisted""" start="00:06:09.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""all email clients except Thunderbird,""" start="00:06:11.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but they don't support it,""" start="00:06:13.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""only the Webmail or the Outlook app.""" start="00:06:15.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Do you know if this is something""" start="00:06:17.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that can be circumvented in Gnus? Let's see.""" start="00:06:18.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if I'm pretty sure, at least with the recent Emacs versions,""" start="00:06:23.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Gnus does support xOAuth as a backend.""" start="00:06:29.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I think you should be able to do that""" start="00:06:37.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even with just the things, the machinery built into Emacs.""" start="00:06:41.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Even so, I think there are external packages and programs.""" start="00:06:45.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""One of them I think comes from this Cyrus IMAP world""" start="00:06:53.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of things that implement like XOAuth.""" start="00:06:58.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you should be able to do that.""" start="00:07:02.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You should be able to use that to get authenticated""" start="00:07:04.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to your organization's mail server.""" start="00:07:09.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I've never tried that myself.""" start="00:07:12.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In terms of like blacklisting all email clients,""" start="00:07:15.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't know how they would do it outside of, you know,""" start="00:07:22.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this kind of authentication thingy.""" start="00:07:27.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If, you know, they check""" start="00:07:29.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the user agent header or something,""" start="00:07:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's pretty easy to customize and set.""" start="00:07:36.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""With Gnus, you can set, define a posting style""" start="00:07:42.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to set a custom user agent.""" start="00:07:50.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, yeah, that's as far as I know.""" start="00:07:55.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thunderbird is pretty nice too.""" start="00:07:58.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like I reach out for it sometimes""" start="00:08:00.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when I'm in a rush or can't,""" start="00:08:05.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""don't have the time to like set up Gnus with""" start="00:08:10.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like some new like IMAP server or something.""" start="00:08:15.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I reach for it sometimes, but yeah,""" start="00:08:24.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I primarily use Gnus. I see.""" start="00:08:28.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So the question says they tried it""" start="00:08:32.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with not much and it never worked.""" start="00:08:34.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Even KML on Android didn't work.""" start="00:08:38.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Right. Yeah, I'm not sure.""" start="00:08:39.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you can like provide maybe more details""" start="00:08:45.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as to like what doesn't work""" start="00:08:47.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or if you get any particular error messages""" start="00:08:57.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or like how they're trying to like prevent you from using it,""" start="00:09:02.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then maybe folks could have some ideas""" start="00:09:05.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of maybe how to get around that.""" start="00:09:08.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah. Let's see, I'm going to go""" start="00:09:11.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""over and take a look at IRC. Yes, scoring is great.""" start="00:09:16.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In it for bankruptcy,""" start="00:09:29.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""they have mail to use outlook from Gnus, right?""" start="00:09:33.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, there are various like solutions and workarounds.""" start="00:09:39.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see. How's the schedule looking?""" start="00:09:43.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think the next talk""" start="00:09:47.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is gonna start pretty soon, if I'm not mistaken.""" start="00:09:48.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, so I believe that's about all the time""" start="00:09:52.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we have on the stream for the Q&A,""" start="00:10:34.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but of course I'll hang around here on big blue button""" start="00:10:35.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and IRC for a while if folks would like to ask more questions.""" start="00:10:38.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And also feel free to email me,""" start="00:10:43.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""bandali@gnu.org""" start="00:10:43.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or at kelar.org with any questions.""" start="00:10:44.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thanks again for the kind words folks, appreciate it.""" start="00:10:46.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, I myself also wish""" start="00:10:49.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that there were like some tutorials or something""" start="00:10:51.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when I was getting started with Guinness,""" start="00:10:53.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but we didn't have that. So, and I've been meaning""" start="00:10:54.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to like record a talk like this for years for EmacsConf,""" start="00:10:56.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but yeah, funnily enough, after like 10 years of,""" start="00:10:59.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at my 10th anniversary""" start="00:11:12.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of being involved with the conference,""" start="00:11:22.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I finally put together a talk of my own""" start="00:11:27.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to talk about configuring Gnus.""" start="00:11:29.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see. Oh, I see, I see.""" start="00:11:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So the organization is doing some kind of check""" start="00:11:35.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""during setting up of OAuth.""" start="00:11:41.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I think how that works is""" start="00:11:43.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sometimes these email clients,""" start="00:11:44.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think at least this is the case for Gmail or something,""" start="00:11:47.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where a project such as Thunderbird""" start="00:11:50.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""needs to apply for some kind of token""" start="00:11:55.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to be able to authenticate""" start="00:12:00.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and connect its users to a mail server.""" start="00:12:02.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So all I will say is""" start="00:12:05.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that Thunderbird is free software""" start="00:12:10.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the sources are available""" start="00:12:12.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and you might be able to find""" start="00:12:13.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the token that they use and yeah.""" start="00:12:15.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Right, so yeah, I'm just reading this comment here.""" start="00:12:19.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You're very welcome again.""" start="00:13:13.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I hope you find it useful in some way.""" start="00:13:16.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So they say that they like the fact""" start="00:13:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I started with a clean setup and built from that.""" start="00:13:21.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Reading and writing emails in Emacs""" start="00:13:25.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is definitely not straightforward.""" start="00:13:27.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I find it frustrating""" start="00:13:28.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that there are so many pieces to put together""" start="00:13:30.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and a bunch of documentation to read.""" start="00:13:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And they admit that they find Gnus overwhelming.""" start="00:13:34.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I sympathize and empathize.""" start="00:13:39.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've been in that very same situation.""" start="00:13:42.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah, it's totally okay to feel like that.""" start="00:13:45.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, email itself is kind of complex,""" start="00:13:50.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even on the server side.""" start="00:13:55.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you've ever looked or have been interested""" start="00:13:57.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in self-hosting your email,""" start="00:14:00.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know that there are so many moving parts and pieces.""" start="00:14:02.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, I hope that this short video""" start="00:14:06.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can be a useful first step""" start="00:14:14.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of getting you set up to""" start="00:14:18.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at least be able to read your emails""" start="00:14:19.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and compose and send them within Emacs""" start="00:14:22.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that you can see that it's possible""" start="00:14:26.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and get that positive feedback loop going""" start="00:14:30.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and get the encouragement and then go from there.""" start="00:14:34.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, Gnus is most definitely very extensible.""" start="00:14:41.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It already has a lot of backends built into GNU Emacs,""" start="00:15:06.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and there are other ones""" start="00:15:10.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that people have written externally""" start="00:15:12.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on various code hosting forges""" start="00:15:14.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you can download and set up. Yeah, thank you all.""" start="00:15:18.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's nice to see that the talk""" start="00:15:27.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""has kind of resonated with so many folks.""" start="00:15:30.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And, yeah, it is encouragement""" start="00:15:33.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for me to finally get around to starting""" start="00:15:41.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""perhaps either a tutorial series""" start="00:15:44.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or like a video series like this""" start="00:15:47.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""concretely showing and walking through""" start="00:15:50.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how to like set up and configure these different aspects.""" start="00:15:54.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There were so many other things that I wanted to show,""" start="00:15:57.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but didn't have the time""" start="00:16:00.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or couldn't squeeze it into""" start="00:16:04.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the 15, 20 minute format for the conference.""" start="00:16:06.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah. I'm going to hang out here for a few more minutes.""" start="00:16:09.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another comment, they would have liked""" start="00:16:28.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to see a quick demo of Gnus""" start="00:17:36.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""while it is fully configured and tweaked.""" start="00:17:38.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's kind of a teaser.""" start="00:17:41.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can definitely do that sometime after the conference.""" start="00:17:43.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Truth be told, I don't customize the looks of it heavily.""" start="00:17:52.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I use the default layout""" start="00:17:59.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for the summary and article buffers.""" start="00:18:01.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""With Gnus, you can even reconfigure that""" start="00:18:03.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to arrange these in your preferred location or layout.""" start="00:18:12.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't really do any of that.""" start="00:18:15.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For the most part, my setup is pretty simple.""" start="00:18:18.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can actually maybe show my init file here. Let's see.""" start="00:18:22.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, so this is, I guess, part of my Gnus configuration.""" start="00:18:27.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I configure a couple of mail servers,""" start="00:18:58.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""set up these expiry targets""" start="00:19:01.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that I can hit capital E on a message""" start="00:19:04.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then have it be archived. You can have it be immediate.""" start="00:19:07.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do that for work messages""" start="00:19:12.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or you can use the default seven day,""" start="00:19:15.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where if a message is older than seven days,""" start="00:19:17.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like once it reaches that age""" start="00:19:21.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it's been marked as expired and it'll be moved into,""" start="00:19:23.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like for example, this yearly archive directory,""" start="00:19:26.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like archive. For example, 2025.""" start="00:19:29.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, you can do like mail splitting,""" start="00:19:31.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""automatically filing email.""" start="00:19:35.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The fancy splitting is the more powerful variant.""" start="00:19:38.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can use like all kinds of regular expressions""" start="00:19:44.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and move email around depending on""" start="00:19:46.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what field or what header""" start="00:19:48.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""matches what regular expression.""" start="00:19:50.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What else? Gnus has things,""" start="00:19:52.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""has a facility like Gnus parameters""" start="00:20:00.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for configuring individual groups or directories.""" start="00:20:03.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like if you file all the mailing or the mails""" start="00:20:07.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for a particular mailing list into a certain group.""" start="00:20:11.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And for example, if they add""" start="00:20:15.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the name of the mailing list""" start="00:20:20.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to the, subject header.""" start="00:20:22.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They prefix the subject header with the name of the list.""" start="00:20:26.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can set that here""" start="00:20:28.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and Gnus will automatically""" start="00:20:30.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hide that for you. So, let's see.""" start="00:20:32.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's a news agent,""" start="00:20:39.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I won't even get into because it's a rabbit hole.""" start="00:20:54.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's pretty cool. Definitely check it out.""" start="00:20:58.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can define what MIME parts should be buttonized""" start="00:21:01.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that you can like easily toggle them""" start="00:21:07.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when displaying the article.""" start="00:21:09.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, you can customize the list""" start="00:21:11.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the headers that are displayed and the order of them.""" start="00:21:14.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like I showed in the sample init file that I provided.""" start="00:21:17.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Games can integrate with Dired.""" start="00:21:22.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can set like custom signatures like here.""" start="00:21:25.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I might define something""" start="00:21:35.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then I use it later in the posting,""" start="00:21:37.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the posting, the news posting styles variable.""" start="00:21:44.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I set a signature to that. Yeah.""" start="00:21:48.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can write custom like functions to move email around.""" start="00:21:52.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I have this like Gnus chunk article function""" start="00:22:09.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I bind to VS,""" start="00:22:16.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so V is the prefix came up that I defined,""" start="00:22:19.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then S, so you can do things like that.""" start="00:22:22.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can customize the format of the topic lines,""" start="00:22:29.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so if I actually launch Gnus with my own configuration,""" start="00:22:34.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is how it might look like, so.""" start="00:22:39.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can define archive decoders""" start="00:22:43.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to let you like automatically decode""" start="00:22:58.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inside the Gnus article buffer,""" start="00:23:02.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how to extract certain archive formats.""" start="00:23:04.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like for example, I defined this one for Gzip.""" start="00:23:10.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can set like discouraged alternatives""" start="00:23:13.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to like, for example, hide HTML email by default,""" start="00:23:18.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""especially if there is a plain text version. I do that.""" start="00:23:22.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""GNU says machinery around like encrypting emails.""" start="00:23:26.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It has a bunch of customizations.""" start="00:23:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you can configure and have Dynos behave a certain way.""" start="00:23:36.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For example, when replying to signed or encrypted emails.""" start="00:23:44.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah. Anyway. That's about it.""" start="00:23:48.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, thanks again for hanging out with me, folks.""" start="00:24:01.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I appreciate all the kind words.""" start="00:24:04.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""comments and yeah, I'm also""" start="00:24:08.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""looking forward to trying and putting together""" start="00:24:13.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more videos or articles about Gnus.""" start="00:24:17.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Definitely one about configuring Dovecot for local mail.""" start="00:24:21.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah, take it from there. Thanks again.""" start="00:24:28.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:24:31.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]

</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [bandali@gnu.org](mailto:bandali@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gnus%3A%20Reading%20and%20writing%20emails%20in%20GNU%20Emacs%20with%20Gnus)


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