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I can read them. + +00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:21.599 +I was wondering whether I should maybe copy them into a new buffer. + +00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:30.159 +So they are also on screen. Increase the font size a bit. + +00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:39.839 +So I'm trying to do this on the fly. + +00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:41.279 +Maybe a bad idea. Let's see. + +00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:42.519 +Of course, you're going to capture it + +00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.879 +into your Zettelkasten then. Is that what's happening? + +00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:49.559 +Well, I can start you off. + +NOTE Q: What do you use for the fancy animations? + +00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:56.279 +The first question is, I wonder what they use for the fancy animations. + +00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.559 +I was thinking about this because that's the first question + +00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:00.959 +and I was thinking about this + +00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:02.599 +while I copied this stuff over. + +00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:09.359 +What part is the fancy part? + +00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:13.079 +I can recommend books, like if anyone wants to have book recommendations + +00:01:13.080 --> 00:01:18.039 +for how to make presentations with PowerPoint-like software + +00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.999 +in a very simple way, we taught this at university. + +00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.559 +was it now, some 15 years ago, + +00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.799 +to students to make animation abuse + +00:01:28.800 --> 00:01:32.439 +where everything was flashy and typed in or something. + +00:01:32.440 --> 00:01:36.679 +Don't do this, but instead do a couple of very simple tasteful things + +00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:41.959 +like fading through colors like filmmakers do, right? + +00:01:41.960 --> 00:01:44.199 +Fading through black to make a scene cut + +00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.839 +or just fade between things, the fanciness. + +00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:53.759 +Presentation software stack, the fanciness. + +00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:55.079 +I didn't dial fanciness up, + +00:01:55.080 --> 00:02:00.239 +I just resorted to a very simple fade animations, + +00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:04.719 +like fading stuff in and wipe, I think, for text effects. + +00:02:04.720 --> 00:02:06.879 +That was it, more or less. + +00:02:06.880 --> 00:02:09.959 +And for the lines, maybe the lines are fancy. + +00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:14.679 +I was using Apple Keynote because I'm fastest with that, + +00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:19.079 +but I also usually, we taught this workshop with PowerPoint + +00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.319 +and I think the LibreOffice stack got much better with that + +00:02:23.320 --> 00:02:24.239 +as well in the recent years, + +00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.279 +but I haven't tried that in a long time + +00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:31.599 +to like fiddle around and find all the knobs to dial. + +00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:34.719 +Because the Apple presentation thingy has this nice feature + +00:02:34.720 --> 00:02:37.079 +where you draw an arrow with a tip, + +00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:41.039 +and then you have a special animation for line drawing, + +00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:42.439 +which is only available for line art. + +00:02:42.440 --> 00:02:45.559 +And then it draws the arrow that moves around like that. + +00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.079 +So yeah, presentation stack, Apple Keynote, + +00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:52.559 +probably not of interest for anyone here. + +00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:56.439 +I usually don't use plain text presentation stuff, right? + +00:02:56.440 --> 00:03:03.319 +So I tried this, I tried this with markdown presentations, + +00:03:03.320 --> 00:03:08.319 +slidey things, org presentation. + +00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:12.879 +It's always not enough control for the fiddly things + +00:03:12.880 --> 00:03:17.959 +that I'm interested in to make the experience great. + +00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.199 +So I wonder what are the fancy animations. + +00:03:20.200 --> 00:03:25.439 +And the stack, the stack is Apple Keynote, sorry. + +00:03:25.440 --> 00:03:30.079 +Okay, that's enough. Thank you for capturing. + +NOTE Q: Are you not a fan of using *, **, *** headings in org-mode? + +00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:37.719 +Are you not a fan? Okay. You saw this in the recording. + +00:03:37.720 --> 00:03:43.839 +Why on earth is autofill mode not enabled? I don't know. + +00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:48.479 +I thought it is the default, but apparently it isn't. + +00:03:48.480 --> 00:03:52.039 +I could also use visual line mode. + +00:03:52.040 --> 00:03:55.719 +It's built in as well, right? Visual line mode. + +00:03:55.720 --> 00:03:57.999 +It's so weird to be in this vanilla setup + +00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.439 +and not have all my key bindings + +00:04:00.440 --> 00:04:04.959 +and my normal stuff ready, so. + +00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:08.479 +I am not a fan of using asterisk headings in org mode. + +00:04:08.480 --> 00:04:12.359 +It's interesting to see how people have different styles of writing org content. + +00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:22.359 +Am I not? What exactly? What did I do? + +00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.959 +And notes, just open one of these. + +00:04:25.960 --> 00:04:33.519 +Okay. I could see how you could, in examples like this, + +00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:36.639 +use org-mode to read-only. + +00:04:36.640 --> 00:04:44.599 +Why? How you could use org-mode to use headings for this, + +00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.159 +because it's an outliner first and foremost, + +00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.439 +so outlining is very natural. + +00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:53.279 +But when I do in my personal setup, + +00:04:53.280 --> 00:04:58.079 +I also have this what's called start indentation thingy. + +00:04:58.080 --> 00:05:01.079 +enabled, so that means that everything + +00:05:01.080 --> 00:05:04.159 +would be indented one level from the start. + +00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:05.599 +So I would probably fiddle around + +00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.799 +with that to not get like crazy. + +00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:12.039 +But also, I don't see, I don't see, + +00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:13.839 +like really see when I look at this, + +00:05:13.840 --> 00:05:17.879 +I didn't see a potential to create subheadings, + +00:05:17.880 --> 00:05:19.479 +I mean, or even headings. + +00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.559 +The only heading here is the title, + +00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.279 +like in my perception of this note, + +00:05:24.280 --> 00:05:27.159 +and it's one, It's two lists. + +00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:28.639 +You could group these in headings. + +00:05:28.640 --> 00:05:40.319 +I didn't. That's right. Where's another one? + +00:05:40.320 --> 00:05:42.679 +I opened the autosave file because I'm stupid. + +00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.719 +OK. So this one could also be probably subdivided. + +00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.559 +But I'm also not sure. + +00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:52.359 +I'm also not sure if I would gain anything structurally + +00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.799 +if I do it like this because then I'm in a structural level + +00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.279 +and the stuff that just flows naturally + +00:05:58.280 --> 00:06:01.039 +as a sequence of text paragraphs, + +00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:07.119 +this here, it's not disconnected. + +00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.519 +It wasn't meant to be under organism + +00:06:10.520 --> 00:06:16.839 +and I need to create a new same level thing + +00:06:16.840 --> 00:06:23.959 +to say, hey, these are, I don't know, details or whatever. + +00:06:23.960 --> 00:06:26.119 +So that's maybe the real reason. + +00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.879 +I'm fine with writing snippets that are self-contained + +00:06:28.880 --> 00:06:31.159 +and essentially one or two or three or five or whatever, + +00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:32.119 +how many paragraphs, + +00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.119 +but it's not like, it's always an outline form. + +00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.679 +So I don't resort to this. + +00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:40.999 +My onSettle custom is usually written in Markdown. + +00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.999 +So I use subheadings for actual headings + +00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.559 +to subdivide like I would subdivide an essay + +00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.759 +or an article, blog post. + +00:06:49.760 --> 00:06:52.839 +But that's the mode of writing that I'm in here. + +00:06:52.840 --> 00:06:54.319 +It's like blog post writing. + +00:06:54.320 --> 00:06:56.239 +I wouldn't start with four headings for this. + +00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.839 +So I'm not doing that. That's a thing. + +00:06:58.840 --> 00:07:04.919 +Okay, I guess I'm going to read the questions, + +00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:07.519 +but I'm going to stop copying them in because I lose time. + +00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:09.439 +I want to reply to you, folks. + +00:07:09.440 --> 00:07:11.479 +Didn't see a need for hierarchical structure. + +00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:13.719 +Thank you for capturing this. Next question. + +NOTE Q: Can you use org files and all its features inside Denote? + +00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.799 +Can you use org files and all its features inside Denote? + +00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:22.439 +Yes. Like this is, this is an org file + +00:07:22.440 --> 00:07:25.359 +and Denote uses org headings instead of, + +00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.799 +with Markdown, you get YAML front meta. + +00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.759 +And with org, you get these attributes, + +00:07:32.760 --> 00:07:36.359 +value attribute thingies + +00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.079 +that are then the metadata for the note. + +00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:45.279 +So yeah, the answer is yes. You get everything and on top, + +00:07:45.280 --> 00:07:48.159 +a small layer of a link, link management. + +00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:48.999 +That's all there is. + +NOTE Q: Where or how do you like to capture fleeting notes? + +00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:55.319 +Next question is, where or how do you like to capture fleeting notes? + +00:07:55.320 --> 00:07:58.479 +Oh, fleeting notes. If you say fleeting notes, + +00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.079 +you also need to say non-fleeting notes + +00:08:01.080 --> 00:08:02.399 +and figure out what these are. + +00:08:02.400 --> 00:08:05.079 +And when you say non-fleeting notes, + +00:08:05.080 --> 00:08:07.239 +and fleeting notes exist, because it's a distinction, + +00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.199 +and there's something on both sides of this distinction. + +00:08:10.200 --> 00:08:12.119 +If you say there's a distinction, there are two sides, + +00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.559 +maybe you want to subdivide the non-fleeting notes further, + +00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:16.199 +because, well, it's a non-fleeting note + +00:08:16.200 --> 00:08:21.159 +isn't very descriptive. So what else do you say there? + +00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.799 +And people have said a couple of things + +00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.479 +to define non-fleeting notes, for example, permanent notes. + +00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.199 +I guess that's a Sonke Ahrens, + +00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.039 +permanent notes is the most popular. + +00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:36.159 +Let's stay with that, stick with that. + +00:08:36.160 --> 00:08:38.279 +So if you have permanent notes and fleeting notes, + +00:08:38.280 --> 00:08:41.599 +now we have two types of notes. The thing is, in books, + +00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.319 +the only... when we would talk about note-taking + +00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:47.679 +and you would ask me, hey Christian, + +00:08:47.680 --> 00:08:49.559 +how do you take fleeting notes? + +00:08:49.560 --> 00:08:53.679 +I imagine the discussion would be in German + +00:08:53.680 --> 00:08:55.799 +because that's how people usually talk to me. + +00:08:55.800 --> 00:08:56.679 +I would pull out a book, + +00:08:56.680 --> 00:08:59.799 +this is Object-Oriented Software Engineering, + +00:08:59.800 --> 00:09:03.679 +interesting book by Ivar Jacobson. + +00:09:03.680 --> 00:09:06.159 +I'm not sure because, you know, + +00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:08.719 +it's an English or American person. + +00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:14.419 +And inside I have these fleeting notes like these + +00:09:14.420 --> 00:09:18.879 +are actual paper notes square what are these three by something inch + +00:09:18.880 --> 00:09:20.999 +American standard size I guess + +00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:25.964 +and A6 minus the tariff part + +00:09:25.965 --> 00:09:31.174 +from another notepad. These are notes I took, engagement notes + +00:09:31.175 --> 00:09:32.439 +if you will, like engagement notes, + +00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.999 +because the margins of the book don't suffice to take, + +00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.799 +and this is related to... I need more space, so this is more space. + +00:09:38.800 --> 00:09:41.119 +These are fleeting. + +00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.999 +As you see, I have them in my pile of books + +00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.839 +right next to me in the shelf + +00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.279 +and folded them in this piece of paper, + +00:09:52.280 --> 00:09:54.879 +labeled it with the author because I lost them + +00:09:54.880 --> 00:09:57.839 +couple of times they just fell out + +00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:58.759 +when I reached for the book + +00:09:58.760 --> 00:10:01.479 +and this is an envelope I shove it into the book + +00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.919 +and then forget about processing the book again + +00:10:04.920 --> 00:10:08.599 +for five or ten years. So what do I do with fleeting notes? + +00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.999 +I do fleeting notes on paper or if I'm using an e-reader + +00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.879 +maybe with an e-reader software annotation tool + +00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:21.639 +but fleeting in the most like simple non contrived sense, + +00:10:21.640 --> 00:10:23.839 +fleeting notes are meant as engagement notes + +00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.039 +and then you do something with them + +00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:27.519 +or like I just showed you, + +00:10:27.520 --> 00:10:29.879 +you don't because life's short, right? + +00:10:29.880 --> 00:10:31.919 +Time runs out, then you need to forget, + +00:10:31.920 --> 00:10:33.639 +then you need to remember + +00:10:33.640 --> 00:10:36.119 +how to restructure everything in your head + +00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:37.519 +to make sense of the notes again + +00:10:37.520 --> 00:10:38.359 +because they were fleeting, + +00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:40.999 +they were just little scribbles and it's + +00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.559 +It's basically ballast or waste. + +00:10:44.560 --> 00:10:46.679 +I'm just carrying this with me for years + +00:10:46.680 --> 00:10:50.879 +and maybe never get around to using these. + +00:10:50.880 --> 00:10:53.399 +But also, I put stuff on there, maybe I do. + +00:10:53.400 --> 00:10:55.399 +It doesn't hurt to keep them in there. + +00:10:55.400 --> 00:10:58.519 +It's just an odd collector's habit I can't get rid of. + +00:10:58.520 --> 00:11:03.399 +fleeting notes, I just capture them wherever + +00:11:03.400 --> 00:11:05.919 +and then either I process them or try to throw them away + +00:11:05.920 --> 00:11:07.079 +or forget about them + +00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.239 +because they're in some inbox file on a smartphone + +00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:13.159 +and then, you know, they might as well not exist, + +00:11:13.160 --> 00:11:15.439 +they're just there to engage me during the reading + +00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.079 +and if I don't process them in time, + +00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.999 +meh like, chance is up, it sucks + +00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.319 +Next question, like fleeting notes, permanent notes. + +00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:27.799 +I'm not going to talk about these + +00:11:27.800 --> 00:11:29.039 +unless someone asks a question. + +NOTE Q: Zettelkasten feels like a very "cagey" approach to note-taking and knowledge management. Doesn't it restrict one to think in certain ways rather than what feels natural to someone? + +00:11:29.040 --> 00:11:32.119 +Zettelkasten feels like a very cagey approach + +00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.079 +to note-taking and knowledge management. + +00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.519 +Doesn't it restrict one to think in certain ways + +00:11:36.520 --> 00:11:38.919 +rather than what feels natural to someone? + +00:11:38.920 --> 00:11:45.919 +Well, yes, but so does wearing underwear, right? + +00:11:45.920 --> 00:11:50.119 +A bit of personal revelation. + +00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.079 +When I'm working from home, I'm wearing pants. + +00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.039 +You don't see them, but I don't need to. + +00:11:57.040 --> 00:12:00.079 +But I'm also kind of self-restricting myself in a way + +00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.239 +because there's a window, + +00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.479 +it's dark outside, and I'm well lit. + +00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.479 +And if I just stand up and have no pants on, + +00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:12.919 +I don't care that much what the neighbors like 10, 20 meters across think. + +00:12:12.920 --> 00:12:15.759 +your mileage may vary then, right? + +00:12:15.760 --> 00:12:18.319 +So there are restrictions that make sense + +00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:24.439 +to get to some point in your day-to-day life. + +00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:25.999 +And in the case of Zettelkasten, + +00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.639 +I try to tell people the shortest story possible + +00:12:31.640 --> 00:12:36.159 +to convey a story there, but also not to cage them in + +00:12:36.160 --> 00:12:38.679 +with 20 definitions of different notes. + +00:12:38.680 --> 00:12:42.279 +Because all that matters is try to move your thinking + +00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:44.039 +into an environment where you can write, + +00:12:44.040 --> 00:12:45.719 +where you feel comfortable writing, + +00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.239 +and where you can keep this stuff. + +00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.239 +Because I do feel comfortable with a pencil and paper. + +00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.199 +But what I just showed you, this might as well never have happened. + +00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.719 +Something has changed in my brain. + +00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.159 +most likely, when I engaged with a book like this. + +00:13:01.160 --> 00:13:04.199 +As far as publications and writing is concerned, + +00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.079 +this might as well not exist in my life, + +00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.279 +because I didn't do something with it. + +00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:15.239 +I mean, I was reading the book probably on a commute back then, on the train. + +00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.679 +I didn't take notes on the computer right away. + +00:13:18.680 --> 00:13:20.159 +So if you feel caged in, + +00:13:20.160 --> 00:13:24.319 +that may be a sign that you went too far on the, + +00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.479 +I need to do this, I need to do that stage, + +00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.359 +and lose some of the playfulness. + +00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:29.959 +There needs to be playfulness + +00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.599 +inside of the whole procedure, otherwise it... + +00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:36.999 +If you don't enjoy doing it, you won't be doing it. + +00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.319 +And if you don't do it, then you don't get a benefit. + +00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.039 +And it's just another chore in your life. + +00:13:41.040 --> 00:13:42.479 +Then rather not do it. + +00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:46.479 +So try to avoid the feeling of caginess + +00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.639 +and do whatever you want with it + +00:13:49.640 --> 00:13:52.319 +as long as you try to give your best. + +00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.799 +That's the cage that you will benefit from + +00:13:55.800 --> 00:13:58.959 +like really trying maybe not trying hard + +00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:02.639 +but trying in earnest to produce + +00:14:02.640 --> 00:14:05.079 +something that you can read in a year in a week whatever + +00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:10.439 +and then make sense of it like that's that's that's the minimum bar and the rest + +00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.799 +If you find yourself writing for hours on end, + +00:14:13.800 --> 00:14:15.279 +during the nights, during the weekends, + +00:14:15.280 --> 00:14:17.759 +whatever, and can't stop, + +00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:21.279 +then you can tackle more of the prescriptions, let's say. + +00:14:21.280 --> 00:14:22.319 +But everything I showed to you + +00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.439 +was there are three essential things, + +00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.199 +and the rest is just add-ons. + +00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.519 +Add-ons to inspire you to think in certain ways, + +00:14:28.520 --> 00:14:31.279 +but you don't have to do them. You can scratch all of this. + +00:14:31.280 --> 00:14:33.679 +You just need to write to think, + +00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:35.119 +and then you need to connect + +00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.799 +to make the thinking happen in an organic way. + +00:14:37.800 --> 00:14:40.559 +Otherwise, you get a storage that's very hard to navigate + +00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:45.999 +and doesn't grow well. Thanks. Yeah, you're welcome. + +00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:51.159 +I'm not writing another show. Yeah. Oh, combine the forums. + +00:14:51.160 --> 00:14:54.439 +Like it's a Zettelkasten anonymous group there. + +00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.239 +Like everyone's struggling. + +00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.479 +Everyone's struggling and it's okay to like, + +00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.319 +I'm feeling like stuck at this and that. + +00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.919 +And then other people will be able to relate. + +00:15:03.920 --> 00:15:07.327 +I can promise. + +NOTE Q: How does denote compare to org-roam? + +00:15:07.328 --> 00:15:10.279 +How does it denote, question mark maybe, + +00:15:10.280 --> 00:15:11.639 +compared to org-roam? + +00:15:11.640 --> 00:15:18.559 +Roam Research was setting a new trend of connectiveness + +00:15:18.560 --> 00:15:21.119 +because you could create recursive structures with links + +00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.199 +and everything is linkable. + +00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.439 +And it's like you put every sentence in its own org heading + +00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.679 +and then link to all the headings possibly + +00:15:27.680 --> 00:15:31.039 +and then transpile them so you can expand in place + +00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:32.239 +where you would link to. + +00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.959 +I think this was the approach at least. + +00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.479 +So this was a very interesting transclusion, not transpile. + +00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.919 +Transclude the contents, like move them in right then and there + +00:15:41.920 --> 00:15:45.839 +and not navigate to another page. It was interesting. + +00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.439 +It never made sense for me + +00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:50.239 +when people told their stories of how they used it. + +00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.439 +I guess you can use this tool for a lot of purposes, + +00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:59.199 +but the prevailing story of the Roam-style note-taking tools + +00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.879 +was like, just dump everything in it. + +00:16:01.880 --> 00:16:04.439 +And garbage in, garbage out still holds. + +00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.559 +I do keep my personal journal away + +00:16:07.560 --> 00:16:10.279 +from my Zettelkasten nowadays + +00:16:10.280 --> 00:16:12.799 +because I want to not restrict myself + +00:16:12.800 --> 00:16:14.399 +when I feel the urge to journal, + +00:16:14.400 --> 00:16:18.919 +when I want to capture something that, for example, my 15-month-old baby daughter does. + +00:16:18.920 --> 00:16:21.239 +Like, first time she pulled a chair + +00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:22.679 +out of another room to the next room + +00:16:22.680 --> 00:16:25.479 +just to create a ladder to then climb onto another thing. + +00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.439 +It just was, okay, this is now the time + +00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.839 +to take note of this. in her life, like you were this + +00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.159 +and that many months old when you did this. + +00:16:33.160 --> 00:16:35.359 +So we have some reference parts. And I could put this kind + +00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:37.399 +of factual information in Zettelkasten, + +00:16:37.400 --> 00:16:42.199 +but also, like, what if I have a toothache or whatever, + +00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:44.924 +and just want to gather data for whatever reason? + +00:16:44.925 --> 00:16:52.119 +I don't know. Like this kind of personal stuff. + +00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.639 +That's too much of the non-useful stuff + +00:16:55.640 --> 00:16:58.199 +in a tool that I want to use to think. + +00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.479 +I do see the appeal there. + +00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.039 +But anyway, the org-roam, like that's a Roam part. + +00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:05.879 +You can watch a lot of videos + +00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:07.159 +on that to get a feel for this. + +00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.559 +Org-roam adopted this to make the connection easier + +00:17:10.560 --> 00:17:13.479 +and replicate features. As I said, porting tools + +00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.399 +that exist into Emacs, very nice pastime. + +00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.079 +A lot of people do this for a lot of things, + +00:17:18.080 --> 00:17:20.359 +but it's not a thinking environment. + +00:17:20.360 --> 00:17:22.319 +It's just another tool to take notes in + +00:17:22.320 --> 00:17:25.279 +that behave weirdly with links or interestingly with links. + +00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:29.159 +And Denote does do even less. + +00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.199 +It only offers you a couple of shortcuts + +00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:33.799 +to help you find files quickly. + +00:17:33.800 --> 00:17:37.679 +It does, like you see in the bottom here in the mode line, + +00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.519 +it does just show square brackets D + +00:17:40.520 --> 00:17:44.359 +instead of the whole ID, which would be rather long. + +00:17:44.360 --> 00:17:48.399 +So you have a buffer list that is bearable and works. + +00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.439 +You can read this and find the title quickly. + +00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:56.199 +Things like that, Denote does things like that. + +00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.219 +Oh, I closed the wrong. + +00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.639 +Denote does things like that very well, + +00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.559 +but it gets out of your way otherwise. + +00:18:02.560 --> 00:18:04.079 +Just a couple of conventions + +00:18:04.080 --> 00:18:06.239 +to get stuff into your file system. + +00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.839 +I'm not sure if Org-Roam now, + +00:18:08.840 --> 00:18:11.199 +what's the current state there? + +00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.399 +Do they do ID generation out of the box? + +00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:18.319 +Is there a standard popular convention or whatever? + +00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:19.879 +not sure, didn't follow, + +00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.759 +but I'm very happy that org-roam still exists + +00:18:21.760 --> 00:18:25.039 +because I think porting tools into emacs is very cool, + +NOTE Q: I noticed that the wikipedia link you wrote was typed wrongly - and it got me thinking about how to deal with broken links at scale? Do you have any thoughts on this? What about archival? + +00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:27.559 +I guess next question, + +00:18:27.560 --> 00:18:29.174 +I noticed that the wikipedia link you wrote + +00:18:29.175 --> 00:18:38.632 +was typed wrongly, oh no garbage in, garbage out, + +00:18:38.633 --> 00:18:45.079 +I think garbage in, garbage out, garbage well spotted. + +00:18:45.080 --> 00:18:47.199 +How do you do that? Oh, I typed it + +00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.679 +I typed it from... Yeah, right. I didn't, + +00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:53.359 +I didn't paste this. Right. Yeah, yeah. + +00:18:53.360 --> 00:18:55.879 +Janitorial tasks, that's the umbrella term. + +00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:56.839 +How do you deal with this? + +00:18:56.840 --> 00:18:59.560 +Like if you put stuff like this into your notes, + +00:18:59.560 --> 00:19:05.759 +you hopefully get a 404 code from wikipedia + +00:19:05.760 --> 00:19:06.859 +because the page doesn't exist. + +00:19:06.860 --> 00:19:11.999 +Let's now check. You get a 404, and then you could write a tool + +00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.799 +that checks all the links periodically + +00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:17.199 +and tells you about broken links, like a broken link checker + +00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.679 +that then looks up maybe automatically + +00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:21.919 +the last good version on archive.org + +00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.319 +and then the Wayback Machine + +00:19:23.320 --> 00:19:26.879 +and then corrects the link with the archived version, + +00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.479 +because the live one is gone. This happens all the time on the Internet. + +00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:31.919 +Even if you don't mistype, + +00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.879 +you could... you know things go out of order so + +00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:42.599 +what do you do with that? You need to automate this. + +00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:45.119 +I'm not clicking every link manually. + +00:19:45.120 --> 00:19:49.279 +I have like, what's it now, 11,000 notes or something. + +00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:51.999 +This is not a thing that humans are good at. + +00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:52.279 +I'm not good at this. + +00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:55.359 +I will never finish anything else if I do this manually. + +00:19:55.360 --> 00:19:57.079 +So write a tool, write a script, + +00:19:57.080 --> 00:19:58.719 +get a script from the interwebs. + +00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:01.919 +There are tools like this plenty that can do it. + +00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:06.319 +And then you just need to do the wiring. + +00:20:06.320 --> 00:20:07.599 +and that should help. + +00:20:07.600 --> 00:20:09.759 +You could automate this in Emacs, of course, right? + +00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:12.479 +For every file in my note directory, + +00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:14.359 +look if there's a link inside + +00:20:14.360 --> 00:20:16.119 +and then check the URL or whatever. + +00:20:16.120 --> 00:20:18.319 +Also works for inter-note connections. + +00:20:18.320 --> 00:20:21.239 +This could also break if you rename files or remove files + +00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:23.959 +and don't use a denote function, + +00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.879 +which I believe takes care of backlinks and forward links + +00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:28.639 +and keeps them organized. + +00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:31.399 +If you do this manually on another device, + +00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:38.119 +out of denote, out of Emacs, in Vim, I don't know, then yeah, mistakes happen + +00:20:38.120 --> 00:20:39.959 +and you need to deal with mistakes + +00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.359 +and heal and create scar tissue there in some way + +00:20:44.360 --> 00:20:48.279 +so write janitorial tools to do that. It's also, + +00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:50.679 +I'm mentioning the term janitorial tools + +00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:51.679 +a couple of times now, + +00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.439 +because that's the term that we in the forums at least + +00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.199 +usually talk about things like find orphaned notes, + +00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:02.119 +notes that no one links to find broken links, + +00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:07.479 +clean up references reformat notes, stuff like this. + +00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:10.039 +Find large notes and then suggest them + +00:21:10.040 --> 00:21:11.799 +to the user to break them up. + +00:21:11.800 --> 00:21:14.180 +Like these are tasks that you can do mechanically, + +00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.382 +but also it's better if you use a tool to get started, + +00:21:16.383 --> 00:21:20.590 +otherwise you waste a lot of time. + +NOTE Comment: When I completely re-worked my config some two years ago, I also tried out some of these packages for making notes in Emacs... + +00:21:20.591 --> 00:21:26.632 +Next question, when I complete, next long question. + +00:21:26.633 --> 00:21:34.964 +I'm going to copy this over because maybe... + +00:21:34.965 --> 00:21:42.399 +"when I completely reworked my configs from two years ago, + +00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:44.839 +I also tried some of these packages for making notes, + +00:21:44.840 --> 00:21:47.119 +but none of them actually fit my purpose, + +00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:51.919 +because I do not like the idea of splitting up my ideas. + +00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:53.279 +I'm writing prose. + +00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:55.639 +I collect material, reading lists, and so on + +00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.519 +in just one big file. Everything fits in. + +00:21:57.520 --> 00:22:00.879 +In this notebook file, I do archiving from time to time. + +00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:02.399 +I search these files in Finder + +00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.439 +to find old notes I would like to go back to. + +00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.119 +So if I write a paper, + +00:22:06.120 --> 00:22:09.199 +it's basically an extract from my old notes + +00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:13.719 +that only have one structure. + +00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:17.959 +when I took them time structures my thought and my notes + +00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.359 +but they would get lost if I split them up in a network + +00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:22.799 +like structure like a wiki, Zettelkasten my two cents + +00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:24.715 +by the way I work on legal sociological topics + +00:22:24.716 --> 00:22:29.452 +I'm a lawyer by training." + +00:22:29.453 --> 00:22:34.590 +You know, Luhmann was a German-style + +00:22:34.591 --> 00:22:35.632 +weird sociologist, + +00:22:35.633 --> 00:22:41.048 +and sociology studies are + +00:22:41.049 --> 00:22:43.999 +like the first four semesters at university, + +00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.639 +where a lot of, I don't know any of the terms in English, + +00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:50.999 +a lot of these things were theories + +00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.999 +in the loosest and broadest sense. + +00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.439 +Some were just models of how things might behave, + +00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.999 +but nobody knew because they were not empirically backed. + +00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.119 +Some were empirically backed, + +00:23:00.120 --> 00:23:01.959 +and then also there was some sense-making. + +00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:03.599 +And then also in sociology, + +00:23:03.600 --> 00:23:08.999 +you have some structure analysis of, + +00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.239 +like demographics and things like that. + +00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.559 +So very, very hard fact and statistics heavy things. + +00:23:15.560 --> 00:23:20.639 +So broad topic. And there's a lot of interconnections. + +00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.599 +I can see the approach here. + +00:23:22.600 --> 00:23:25.359 +I'm not going to defend Zettelkasten + +00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:30.519 +so that you in the end become a Zettelkasten aficionado + +00:23:30.520 --> 00:23:33.639 +or whatever I mean, if it works, fine, more power to you like + +00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.919 +reminds me of Twyla Tharp's like the shoebox approach + +00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.159 +or whatever it was called + +00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:41.959 +where she just dumped everything inside + +00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.759 +for her next project, like an idea box, + +00:23:44.760 --> 00:23:47.279 +like real physical things like oh, I want to, I don't know, + +00:23:47.280 --> 00:23:50.079 +like this weird 8-bit do controller inside + +00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:54.639 +and then eventually she would spread out everything she collected, + +00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:59.599 +newspaper clippings and I don't know, maybe toenails or some weird stuff, + +00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:01.879 +I don't know what she actually put there + +00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:03.359 +and then make sense of this + +00:24:03.360 --> 00:24:08.319 +and think of something of putting these sorted pieces into context + +00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:12.759 +and if you just dump stuff into a notebook file + +00:24:12.760 --> 00:24:20.199 +and then rework the stuff, yeah, fine + +00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.639 +One answer is Zettelkasten is great for mathematics. + +00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.239 +Or maybe you can have... Oh, next question. + +00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:31.439 +Sorry, I jumped. So my answer is, this was not a question, + +00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.799 +and I'm happy for you. So that's still an answer. + +NOTE Q: How Zettelkasten is useful for highly mathematical STEM academic fields like computer science or engineering fields? + +00:24:34.800 --> 00:24:38.639 +Next question. How Zettelkasten is useful + +00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.519 +for highly mathematical STEM academic fields + +00:24:42.520 --> 00:24:44.839 +like computer science or engineering fields, + +00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:48.879 +like when studying a STEM field? + +00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.999 +I need to unpack the acronym again maybe for the audience. + +00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:58.199 +M is mathematics. Engineering is E. + +00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:02.519 +Science and tech, tech, techno, + +00:25:02.520 --> 00:25:05.599 +I don't know, maybe technical. I could look this up, right? + +00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:09.839 +STEM, what was STEM again? I'm doing a bad job. + +00:25:09.840 --> 00:25:12.079 +Science, technology, engineering, mathematics. + +00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:16.479 +Okay, so probably technology is the computer stuff. + +00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:17.159 +Yeah, STEM. + +00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:19.399 +Dear audience, that's science, technology, + +00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.999 +engineering, mathematics, academic fields. + +00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.799 +What should we make notes of? + +00:25:24.800 --> 00:25:27.199 +The important bits are interconnected in a hierarchy, + +00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:28.199 +usually chapters of a book. + +00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.639 +Yes, someone did the job of making the order + +00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:33.559 +out of the chaotic findings + +00:25:33.560 --> 00:25:35.919 +that people did over hundreds of years for you. + +00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.479 +That's an order. But there are also many textbooks. + +00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.059 +So opinions may vary. The presentation may vary. + +00:25:42.060 --> 00:25:43.674 +Some textbooks may click with you, + +00:25:43.675 --> 00:26:04.559 +while others stay opaque, and you can't get into the meat. + +00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:12.919 +Sorry, I'm just typing the answer right now. + +00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.379 +Copying information to another box is not, yeah. + +00:26:17.380 --> 00:26:19.090 +Yeah, let's see what the first answer is. + +00:26:19.091 --> 00:26:21.559 +Someone posted that Zettelkasten is great for mathematics, + +00:26:21.560 --> 00:26:22.919 +incredible for computer science. + +00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.439 +With Org-Babel you can have living source code, yes, + +00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:26.719 +that you can execute from the note, + +00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:28.479 +also true for a formula, + +00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:35.239 +and LaTeX in interspersing of images and SVGs. + +00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.119 +You can even use Agda if you want to. + +00:26:37.120 --> 00:26:39.279 +Ah, I think I know who typed the answer. + +00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:42.999 +Hello, Oliver. If you want to have living proofs in your notes, + +00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:47.719 +even inline LaTeX is in here. That's, yeah, yeah, yeah. + +00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:58.959 +quote the sentence as is and add, yeah, add something, + +00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.319 +maybe your own summary. + +00:27:01.320 --> 00:27:02.959 +I would suggest add your own summary + +00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:11.299 +because we're looking at the Etherpad, right? + +00:27:11.300 --> 00:27:14.639 +Maybe I just copy this over so you can all... + +00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:30.879 +The Etherpad's indentation is missing with what Org is doing. + +00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:36.999 +And the answer was probably submitted by Oliver + +00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.479 +just in case someone wants to see + +00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:47.679 +who that could have been with the Agda reference + +00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.799 +because nobody uses Agda, + +00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:55.999 +nobody in the world maybe. So Agda is just a, yeah, + +00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:01.319 +let's say it's good for proofing the code that you type + +00:28:01.320 --> 00:28:04.399 +as you type it in the compilation set, very weird + +00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.199 +if you've never heard of this, so check that out. + +00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:13.839 +So question was how Zettelkasten is useful for these kinds of things + +00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:16.119 +yeah it sounds like in these kinds of fields + +00:28:16.120 --> 00:28:18.359 +that you only deal with facts. + +00:28:18.360 --> 00:28:24.719 +That's also kind of sort of true for psychology where you have a lot of, + +00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:29.639 +and also law, where you at least in German + +00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.011 +and our style of law where you have a lot of, + +00:28:32.012 --> 00:28:33.759 +where you have thick books of law + +00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:38.599 +and very very little records, + +00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:41.479 +that's not the right phrasing, + +00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.540 +where you don't rely on the ruling + +00:28:44.541 --> 00:28:48.239 +as much as you do in, for example, the USA, + +00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.674 +where you need to be aware of every court ruling + +00:28:52.675 --> 00:28:53.919 +to then put stuff into context + +00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.999 +and all of this is like the current how you do law. + +00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.039 +I don't know. + +00:29:01.040 --> 00:29:04.039 +I'm not a lawyer and also not good at this in English. + +00:29:04.040 --> 00:29:04.839 +So, sorry. + +00:29:04.840 --> 00:29:08.159 +If I don't find the cool words and technical terms, + +00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.079 +you probably all know. + +00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.639 +What do you do with these kinds of things? + +00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.719 +You need to collect a lot of stuff. + +00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.559 +Like the previous questionnaire mentioned, + +00:29:17.560 --> 00:29:19.719 +hey, I'm just copying stuff over + +00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.119 +and then I have a good time and can write about this + +00:29:22.120 --> 00:29:24.119 +and create prose in the end. + +00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:26.519 +Like with mathematics, you can't. + +00:29:26.520 --> 00:29:36.719 +You can't do a lot when you're still working on the foundations. + +00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.599 +Like, what do you want to do there? + +00:29:38.600 --> 00:29:41.959 +You don't innovate there. You just need to learn the stuff. + +00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.799 +Typing things out and creating your own organization + +00:29:45.800 --> 00:29:49.519 +of how things are connected there, + +00:29:49.520 --> 00:29:52.079 +that's where the depth of processing increases, + +00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:53.839 +like the actual depth of processing + +00:29:53.840 --> 00:29:57.759 +so that it takes more effort + +00:29:57.760 --> 00:30:01.399 +and affects more parts of your brain, basically, + +00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.919 +which then helps with remembering stuff. + +00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:12.759 +I'm trying not to go into a 10 minute tangent here, but + +00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:18.439 +If you've ever tried to memorize stuff with flashcards + +00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.879 +and you put a, I don't know, coffee stain + +00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.559 +or a weird scribble or spilled something on one of these cards, + +00:30:24.560 --> 00:30:26.639 +actual physical cards there, + +00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.119 +this card now has another piece of information + +00:30:29.120 --> 00:30:32.519 +that is actually important + +00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:36.119 +because it makes the card stand out + +00:30:36.120 --> 00:30:41.279 +more and more worthy of being remembered + +00:30:41.280 --> 00:30:42.639 +because now one of these cards + +00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.679 +has this coffee circle thingy + +00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.959 +and all the others don't so this one stands out + +00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.079 +and this may actually improve + +00:30:49.080 --> 00:30:51.519 +how you learn this particular fact + +00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:57.839 +that you want to remember or memorize + +00:30:57.840 --> 00:31:00.839 +Similar, like what kind of principle + +00:31:00.840 --> 00:31:04.439 +do people postulate is at play here? + +00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.399 +Again, last time I went into + +00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.079 +this kind of stuff was at university, + +00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:11.719 +so I'm not sure if there's something new + +00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.319 +in the field of flashcard learning. + +00:31:15.320 --> 00:31:18.919 +I'm not aware of anything, let's say. + +00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.279 +And the idea back then that we spread + +00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:25.360 +and that was taught to us was like this. + +00:31:27.540 --> 00:31:32.599 +That more information and more context and more stimuli + +00:31:32.600 --> 00:31:34.759 +and making things more interesting, + +00:31:34.760 --> 00:31:39.340 +that's what makes it memorable. + +00:31:39.341 --> 00:31:43.799 +if you go for a walk and then associate things with places. + +00:31:43.800 --> 00:31:47.359 +Going for a walk is a different activity + +00:31:47.360 --> 00:31:48.839 +than imagining going for a walk. + +00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:52.079 +It's also different from not doing anything + +00:31:52.080 --> 00:31:54.399 +and just sitting in your chair + +00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.519 +and relaxing because you're not engaged. + +00:31:56.520 --> 00:31:58.919 +You're losing, like you're using + +00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.959 +a bit of your brain matter to do the work + +00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.399 +while the rest of your body is stagnant. + +00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.759 +You don't smell anything different. + +00:32:07.760 --> 00:32:09.239 +You don't hear, see, feel on your skin, + +00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.399 +everything's constant, + +00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:15.239 +like you're in a, what are these called? + +00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.639 +These chambers where you're locked + +00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.479 +into very salty water, I think. + +00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.639 +Floating chambers, so sensual deprivation chambers. + +00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.519 +You're depriving yourself of a lot of sensual input + +00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:31.519 +if you just try to really focus + +00:32:31.520 --> 00:32:33.479 +into everything with your head. + +00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.999 +If you engage more of your body, + +00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.007 +if you engage more of your senses, + +00:32:36.008 --> 00:32:37.674 +then you have an easier time there. + +00:32:37.675 --> 00:32:40.590 +What does it have to do with this answer? + +00:32:40.560 --> 00:32:46.799 +My answer would be the value is in rephrasing, + +00:32:46.800 --> 00:32:51.799 +in making your own connections eventually. + +00:32:51.800 --> 00:32:56.439 +I don't know, the foundational laws of geometry, + +00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.119 +there's no room for innovation, + +00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:00.159 +but there's maybe a room for association. + +00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.759 +Like, hey, I remember this, like, if you can't figure out + +00:33:03.760 --> 00:33:09.759 +what the name of a certain axiom, lemma, whatever it is, and it has a name, + +00:33:09.760 --> 00:33:12.679 +adding your own story to the note doesn't hurt. + +00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:14.839 +If you say, hey, this is what my grandfather + +00:33:14.840 --> 00:33:18.719 +taught me with wire and sticks when we tried to measure + +00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.839 +whatever in the sand on a vacation one day. + +00:33:22.840 --> 00:33:26.199 +And these kinds of things make it more memorable. + +00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:31.039 +And that's at least something that you could need to then, + +00:33:31.040 --> 00:33:33.999 +which is the ultimate purpose of STEM at university, + +00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:39.559 +then you can pass the tests. Like that's it. + +00:33:39.560 --> 00:33:42.999 +You either, and eventually you embody the knowledge, right? + +00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.679 +If you do this stuff over and over again, + +00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:45.839 +then you don't need to look up + +00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:47.599 +how to do a certain kind of proof. + +00:33:47.600 --> 00:33:50.759 +And you just do the proof when you need to do the proof. + +00:33:50.760 --> 00:33:53.919 +But maybe you forget all the kinds of weird proofs + +00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:55.079 +that you encountered in your life + +00:33:55.080 --> 00:33:57.159 +because you only remember the 10 most weird ones, + +00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:58.519 +but you had 15 in your life. + +00:33:58.520 --> 00:34:00.399 +And what's about the, what do you do + +00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.800 +with the five missing ones? They just fade away. + +00:34:02.800 --> 00:34:05.279 +But if you capture them in some way or another, + +00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:08.559 +as superficial as it may be, + +00:34:08.560 --> 00:34:10.479 +and you still have access to this later + +00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:21.799 +when you need to check your personal inventory + +00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:30.519 +of mathematical proofs so my answer would be... + +00:34:30.520 --> 00:34:33.119 +Let's type in my answer + +00:34:33.120 --> 00:34:46.199 +on Etherpad would be... I'm not able to type. + +00:34:46.200 --> 00:34:52.599 +Sorry. My answer would be this. + +00:34:52.600 --> 00:35:05.239 +Foundational knowledge is important for tests mostly + +00:35:05.240 --> 00:35:13.300 +and eventually becomes your inventory of skills. + +00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:25.879 +Synth programming, like I don't need to look up for loops, + +00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.519 +I just do for loops and that's it, right? + +00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:32.999 +But still, I do have notes about for loops, I think, + +00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:34.839 +in different languages, like Python, + +00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.679 +the, what is it called, list comprehension. + +00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:39.919 +I'm not using Python, but it's so quirky. + +00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.879 +It's quirky and I captured this on a note + +00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.879 +because I needed to get myself used to the pieces + +00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.159 +and I needed to look at the syntax anyway, + +00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:50.719 +and then this is that part and this goes there. + +00:35:50.720 --> 00:35:55.799 +And I did this work, like this separation stuff on a note + +00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:01.159 +to then do the work with more engagement, + +00:36:01.160 --> 00:36:04.599 +like engage more so I can remember more later. + +00:36:04.600 --> 00:36:06.079 +I don't remember all the details, + +00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:08.079 +but I do remember there were different parts, + +00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:09.519 +and then I can look up the note. + +00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:12.799 +And it helps me refresh my memory rather quickly, + +00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.399 +because it's written by me for me + +00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.199 +in a way that I'm writing these notes + +00:36:17.200 --> 00:36:18.599 +for 15 years or something. + +00:36:18.600 --> 00:36:27.119 +16, at least, 16 years or something. + +00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:30.439 +So it's much better than looking, especially now, + +00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:31.759 +it's much better than going to the web + +00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.399 +and doing a web search for the same topic, + +00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.199 +because I will probably not get the useful resource + +00:36:37.200 --> 00:36:40.199 +that I relied on some eight years ago anyway, + +00:36:40.200 --> 00:36:41.599 +but some garbage instead, + +00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:44.919 +maybe AI generated stuff, I don't know. + +00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.319 +So I have my personal copy of this + +00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.639 +and it's not just copying the thing into a box, + +00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:51.759 +like from one box into another, + +00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.019 +from the public internet box into my own buffer, + +00:36:54.020 --> 00:36:56.399 +that Zettelkasten that's closer to me, + +00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.559 +like a fridge is closer to my kitchen + +00:36:58.560 --> 00:37:01.359 +and where I want to eat when I'm hungry + +00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.399 +than going to the supermarket + +00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.279 +or out into the wild and hunt animals, + +00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.199 +like this is all about proximity + +00:37:06.200 --> 00:37:10.759 +and also brought about ownership, like I own these notes + +00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.199 +and I still take responsibility + +00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:14.599 +for what I put on them to some degree + +00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:15.959 +like sometimes they're really bad + +00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:17.319 +and I want to distance myself, + +00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:23.919 +but still yeah, so that's it, I'm just I'm leaving, + +00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:29.639 +I'm not typing this out, I'm leaving copy box fridge, + +00:37:29.640 --> 00:37:32.119 +there was a term for this, wait a second, + +00:37:32.120 --> 00:37:38.839 +setup custom fridge can be fridge-like buffer of knowledge + +00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:48.079 +I'm just, let me just try to copy this note verbatim into the etherpad + +00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:51.879 +and then see whether you folks can do something with it. + +00:37:51.880 --> 00:38:00.959 +The formatting. See appendix A. I am doing this here. + +00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:10.319 +Appendix A. I'm not going to read this, + +00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.679 +but then you have a FridgeLab buffer of knowledge. + +00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:16.839 +Local link in the supply chain. That was the term. + +00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:18.199 +Didn't remember that one. + +00:38:18.200 --> 00:38:28.119 +It's at least a local link in supply chain. + +00:38:28.120 --> 00:38:36.079 +Also, engagement doing the work of not copying, + +00:38:36.080 --> 00:38:38.439 +but rephrasing, organizing, + +00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:46.399 +but sometimes also just typing the stuff in + +00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.759 +that's how people romanticize learning a basic + +00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.999 +like there were magazines with a lot of code listings + +00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.839 +and they just typed the code it was quite some effort + +00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:00.879 +you eventually got better at this + +00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.799 +but you did do mistakes and then you needed to correct + +00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.799 +and look through the source code carefully to spot the typo + +00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.839 +That's apparently virtue, at least people claim it's a virtue. + +00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.759 +I don't deny it's a virtue because I went through the same kind of crap + +00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.919 +and I believe it strengthened my character, for sure, but still. + +00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:26.639 +Maybe it's not that useful, but maybe it is. I don't know. + +00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:27.759 +There's studies I remember, + +00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.519 +but I don't remember any interesting results. + +00:39:30.520 --> 00:39:32.839 +It's not like it's a 10x improvement + +00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.959 +of recall if you type this, but it may be significant. + +00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.319 +Just check it out for yourself. I'm not sure. + +00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:40.959 +Next question, sorry. + +NOTE Q: In your experience, would you say that you re-use most of your notes? + +00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.639 +In your experience, would you say that you reuse most of your notes? + +00:39:45.640 --> 00:39:47.959 +Watching your demo, I thought that more notes you create, + +00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.279 +the less you might reuse them. Yes, that's true. + +00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.879 +I have 11,000 notes or something, + +00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.239 +and I don't use 11,000 notes every day. + +00:39:57.240 --> 00:39:59.879 +I can only use a fraction of them. + +00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:06.439 +But let's say you have the Feynman Darling notes, + +00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.479 +then you would probably use these. + +00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.479 +Imagine you have the same 12 Darlings for a year. + +00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:15.559 +Then you use these 12 thingies for one year more often. + +00:40:15.560 --> 00:40:17.919 +than most of your other notes, + +00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.999 +because these become your entry points + +00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.999 +into what's in my Zettelkasten today. + +00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.559 +These become your entry points + +00:40:23.560 --> 00:40:24.999 +of what do I want to work on today? + +00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.719 +These become your, where can I put + +00:40:27.720 --> 00:40:29.199 +the weird stuff that I just found? + +00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:31.119 +Does it stick to any of these surfaces? + +00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:33.719 +Entry point into the process. + +00:40:33.720 --> 00:40:41.839 +But let's say, five years later, + +00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.399 +maybe these 12 Feynman darlings were your darlings + +00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.719 +during university studies for STEM field, + +00:40:47.720 --> 00:40:49.339 +where you had a hard time figuring out + +00:40:49.340 --> 00:40:52.479 +how the Zettelkasten works for your benefit. + +00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.279 +And then five years later, you're in a job and you don't need all of them + +00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.799 +because your subject matters from university, they're gone. + +00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.119 +you're not at a day job and you have different darlings + +00:41:03.120 --> 00:41:04.319 +whatever your day job is + +00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:09.399 +maybe you're a mathematician at an insurance company + +00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:14.319 +so you will probably have insurance related domain darlings pouring in + +00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.119 +and some academic darlings falling off the bandwagon + +00:41:18.120 --> 00:41:21.119 +because no time for these maybe other hobbies come in + +00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:25.919 +like i didn't have anything related to child Rearing, + +00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.999 +bearing is when you produce them + +00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.199 +and put them into the wild, right? + +00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:34.639 +Rearing is when you let them grow up, I don't know + +00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:36.959 +Like when you have children and make them not die + +00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:42.039 +and get larger and do stuff, right? + +00:41:42.040 --> 00:41:44.079 +I did have a couple of things in advance, but + +00:41:44.080 --> 00:41:47.919 +That was not a daily concern. Now it is. + +00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.999 +Now I'm a father and that's a new concern in my life. + +00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.599 +Getting things done also tackled this, right? + +00:41:54.600 --> 00:41:56.239 +If you remember getting things done, everyone, + +00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:58.559 +you had areas of responsibility. + +00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:00.999 +It's a new area of responsibility and you could represent, + +00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.599 +sorry, you could represent these in your Zettelkasten, + +00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:10.239 +if you find that you can spell out your areas of responsibility + +00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:12.799 +well, then you can see, well, I've learned something new, + +00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.719 +can I become a better person + +00:42:14.720 --> 00:42:16.879 +in one of my core areas of responsibility? + +00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:18.679 +Yes or no? Why not? + +00:42:18.680 --> 00:42:21.279 +Then you will use these more than the other notes. + +00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.159 +Like the weird thing you found last month. + +00:42:25.160 --> 00:42:29.079 +Last month, you will probably not reference that weird thing every day. + +00:42:29.080 --> 00:42:32.359 +Natural process. But it's there. + +00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.799 +And eventually you get back to something, + +00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.999 +and then you serve access to this like that's the that + +00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:43.599 +and whatever this changes like going through these processes + +00:42:43.600 --> 00:42:51.399 +change you if I if I spend a month getting nerd sniped on + +00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:56.679 +I don't know chocolate manufacturing or something + +00:42:56.680 --> 00:43:00.759 +then I don't need this ever these things ever again most likely + +00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:02.999 +but going through the procedure of + +00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.199 +becoming the master chocolate manufacturer of my town, + +00:43:06.200 --> 00:43:10.159 +at least in theory, will do something with me + +00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:12.719 +when I encounter the next topic. + +00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:14.959 +I will think of chocolate manufacturing. + +00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.359 +I wouldn't have thought of chocolate manufacturing before. + +00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:18.919 +In fact, I didn't think about chocolate + +00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:21.719 +manufacturing yesterday. I just made this up on the spot. + +00:43:21.720 --> 00:43:23.679 +What does this say about me today? + +00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:26.159 +Maybe because we were out of chocolate, + +00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:30.279 +maybe because I don't know, + +00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.159 +maybe there's nothing that looks like chocolate here + +00:43:33.160 --> 00:43:36.359 +I don't know so it just came up and now it's there + +00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.159 +and things have changed for the better, + +00:43:39.160 --> 00:43:41.359 +for the worse, I don't know but they've changed + +00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.719 +and that's the real takeaway there + +00:43:43.720 --> 00:43:44.959 +where do you put the effort? + +00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.759 +where do you want to put the effort? and will it pay off? + +00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:54.479 +maybe if not, then maybe spend the time on something else + +00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.119 +like don't try to Zettelkastenify something you hate + +00:43:57.120 --> 00:43:59.519 +just to I don't know, + +00:43:59.520 --> 00:44:04.479 +do your due diligence if you don't want to + +00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.719 +because then you'll hate the process + +00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:15.279 +that's worse than not using notes a lot. Next question. + +NOTE Q: How are notes structured and accessed when the notes grow from 10K to 100K notes? + +00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.719 +How are notes structured and accessed + +00:44:17.720 --> 00:44:20.639 +when the notes grow from 10k to 100k notes? + +00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:22.119 +yes, that's a field of exploration, + +00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:25.919 +I mean that the lower realm there I don't know anybody + +00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:32.359 +who's using a hyperlinked 100k note archive. + +00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.239 +I do know people who have a lot of text files + +00:44:37.240 --> 00:44:38.919 +like the Evernote style + +00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.799 +they capture everything and put the verbatim copy into their stuff + +00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:47.519 +and then they have a lot more items of course + +00:44:47.520 --> 00:44:51.359 +but these don't really count, + +00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.599 +these are like web clippings of websites themselves + +00:44:54.600 --> 00:44:58.119 +I've read how many hundreds of websites today + +00:44:58.120 --> 00:45:02.919 +I could have captured everything automatically, + +00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.119 +but they wouldn't, like the files there, the clippings, + +00:45:07.120 --> 00:45:10.559 +they wouldn't have contributed + +00:45:10.560 --> 00:45:12.439 +anything meaningfully to my knowledge base, + +00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.479 +because I'm not thinking about the stuff, + +00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.399 +I'm thinking about the stuff that I'm spending time on. + +00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.839 +What about that? + +00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.639 +Yeah, how are notes structured and accessed + +00:45:20.640 --> 00:45:22.919 +when the notes go from one to 100k? + +00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:31.399 +I will imagine that it becomes a matter that's speculation. + +00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.759 +We'll see. My speculation is this. + +00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:40.639 +it's going to be self-similar, like Mandelbrot images, + +00:45:40.640 --> 00:45:43.199 +where you have recursive patterns. + +00:45:43.200 --> 00:45:46.519 +First, you have a couple of notes. + +00:45:46.520 --> 00:45:49.759 +You can leave through them digitally or physically easily. + +00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.559 +And then eventually, you need to rely on structures + +00:45:52.560 --> 00:45:54.079 +or some kinds of entry points, + +00:45:54.080 --> 00:45:55.679 +which we usually call structures, + +00:45:55.680 --> 00:46:03.359 +thanks to Sascha. Perfect. Thank you. + +00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.799 +And the clue there is, + +00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:10.159 +Eventually, you have hundreds or maybe thousands, + +00:46:10.160 --> 00:46:12.359 +not hundreds or thousands, of structure notes. + +00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:13.959 +And then you have the same problem + +00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.039 +that you had on the lower base layer. + +00:46:16.040 --> 00:46:19.199 +And now you will probably look for another tool. + +00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:22.759 +But there is nothing else that's not also a structure note + +00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.799 +but is structuring other structures mostly + +00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.119 +instead of structuring the low-level notes. + +00:46:28.120 --> 00:46:31.719 +But this distinction, I want to point out, doesn't pay off. + +00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:34.879 +it seems like it doesn't pay off + +00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.319 +to say hey I have these foundational permanent notes + +00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.759 +And then I have these meta notes, + +00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.519 +these maps and structures + +00:46:40.520 --> 00:46:42.759 +and then I have these super mega structures + +00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:44.159 +which are not permanent, + +00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:45.519 +which are not structures, which are not... + +00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:47.919 +I don't know... This doesn't seem to pay off, + +00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.079 +because eventually there is another level and another level + +00:46:51.080 --> 00:46:53.519 +and also sometimes you want to talk + +00:46:53.520 --> 00:46:56.159 +about a structure as a data point + +00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:58.079 +like hey I did this writing project + +00:46:58.080 --> 00:47:00.159 +once it was really cool link to writing project + +00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:04.959 +and the writing project is a table of contents huge hierarchy or whatever. + +00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:06.959 +Is it not a link to a thing? + +00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.759 +Back then you get into all these weird academic questions + +00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:12.799 +about the nature of links + +00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.719 +and there's no gold at the end of that rainbow, let's say. + +00:47:17.720 --> 00:47:21.159 +At least I've never seen anyone come back with any gold. + +00:47:21.160 --> 00:47:24.199 +I've seen people come back with very long faces + +00:47:24.200 --> 00:47:26.559 +and sadness in their eyes + +00:47:26.560 --> 00:47:31.239 +because all the effort, all the metadata was for naught. + +00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:32.919 +So, how do you do this? + +00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.119 +You figure out, when you get to 10k, + +00:47:36.120 --> 00:47:37.759 +you will probably have figured, + +00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.839 +and if you do 10k, not like web clippings, + +00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.759 +but really like you did put in effort to get there + +00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.879 +and type everything yourself in one way or another + +00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:47.999 +you would have figured out something + +00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:52.599 +that kind of sort of works for you around that milestone. + +00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:53.439 +And then I believe in you, + +00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:58.839 +you will be equipped to get to 20k, 30k, + +00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.799 +because you feel comfortable in your notes. + +00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.399 +And then you can expand further. + +00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.719 +And it will probably look different + +00:48:03.720 --> 00:48:06.639 +for someone in STEM fields than for an artist. + +00:48:06.640 --> 00:48:09.079 +Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. + +00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:14.639 +Maybe a fine arts artist would woodcrafter, + +00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:17.359 +maybe these kinds of folks will have different structures + +00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.519 +and rely more on visuals, schemas, + +00:48:22.520 --> 00:48:28.559 +whole part relationships, whereas mathematicians may not. + +00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:31.359 +but I don't know, I don't know, we need to compare + +00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.639 +and this will be the interesting like + +00:48:33.640 --> 00:48:36.159 +if the internet survives and we all survive + +00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:40.239 +and also Zettelkasten as an idea sticks on + +00:48:40.240 --> 00:48:43.039 +I hope we can have this discussion + +00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:44.839 +every year in five years, in ten years + +00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:50.039 +and then see how people transparently evolve + +00:48:50.040 --> 00:48:55.159 +their gardens, their processes, their note-taking systems + +NOTE Q: I would be very interested in your thought on this video by Westenberg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjSWwmg-JRM (Why I Deleted My Second Brain: A Journey Back to Real Thinking) + +00:48:55.160 --> 00:49:00.319 +next question not a question but i would be very interested + +00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.559 +in your thoughts on this video + +00:49:01.560 --> 00:49:07.039 +by Westenberg. Okay. This is not spam. + +00:49:07.040 --> 00:49:13.959 +I don't... Uh, there's Joe Westenberg's Youtube channel, + +00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.319 +"Why I Deleted My Second Brain: + +00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:22.679 +A Journey Back to Real Thinking." + +00:49:22.680 --> 00:49:30.319 +I think I didn't watch the video but read an article. + +00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.360 +Not sure where. Let me check my Zettelkasten. + +00:49:34.383 --> 00:49:36.215 +It's not on screen sharing. That was stupid. + +00:49:36.216 --> 00:49:48.239 +I'm probably not going to watch it right now with everyone here, + +00:49:48.240 --> 00:49:51.659 +so my thoughts on deleting and stuff like that. + +00:49:51.660 --> 00:49:58.679 +I do remember there was a very cleverly written, well-written post + +00:49:58.680 --> 00:50:02.719 +and the claim was, from my perspective, + +00:50:02.720 --> 00:50:04.919 +and that's not doing the work of... + +00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:13.199 +It's not doing the work of the author justice. + +00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:19.839 +But the shortest summary is that there seems to be false contradiction, + +00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:24.759 +where the contradiction stems from how the opposite side, + +00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.079 +the note taking, the deliberate note taking, + +00:50:27.080 --> 00:50:28.159 +taking a lot of notes, + +00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:31.479 +all the notes every time, stuff, like how this is presented. + +00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.639 +I would say this is more on the collecting + +00:50:34.640 --> 00:50:36.519 +and not on the connecting side of things. + +00:50:36.520 --> 00:50:42.119 +So like I mentioned for the, some 30 minutes ago + +00:50:42.120 --> 00:50:45.039 +when I talked about Roam, Roam Research. + +00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:47.439 +If you start your day with a daily note, + +00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.679 +journal style, and then branch out from there, + +00:50:50.680 --> 00:50:53.759 +you do at least have time as a structure + +00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:57.039 +that helps you to organize what you put in. + +00:50:57.040 --> 00:50:59.319 +But also, it can get very messy + +00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.239 +and very weirdly interconnected, + +00:51:01.240 --> 00:51:04.239 +like this meme of the with a guy + +00:51:04.240 --> 00:51:10.919 +standing in front of a board + +00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.439 +with all these lines connecting things + +00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.239 +and just, you know, with the madness in his eyes + +00:51:17.240 --> 00:51:23.439 +you can do a lot of stuff in there. + +00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.839 +But at a certain point, it gets hard + +00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.799 +to also get out of your own head, let's say. + +00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.079 +If you do it in this kind of style, + +00:51:33.080 --> 00:51:35.679 +it can get hard to get off your own head. + +00:51:35.680 --> 00:51:39.919 +And one litmus test that you may find enjoyable + +00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:41.119 +if you struggle with this + +00:51:41.120 --> 00:51:46.199 +is to publish more. Because having access + +00:51:46.200 --> 00:51:49.199 +to a very deeply interconnected web of stuff + +00:51:49.200 --> 00:51:52.919 +thoughts, ideas, notes, wisdoms, whatever + +00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.079 +very deeply connected, + +00:51:55.080 --> 00:52:02.359 +like not a pile, yarn, wool, what's the ball? + +00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.519 +Ball of yarn? No, that's boring. + +00:52:06.520 --> 00:52:09.239 +Let's say like you have a lot of yarn + +00:52:09.240 --> 00:52:11.519 +and then you just create chaos and entropy + +00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:13.239 +and can't untangle it. It's a very tangled mess. + +00:52:13.240 --> 00:52:15.479 +So it's a very dense, dense thingy + +00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.639 +that's now its own kind of structure. Like if you have this + +00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:21.519 +And in your head, when you think about your notes, + +00:52:21.520 --> 00:52:24.639 +you may have some interesting pathways there. + +00:52:24.640 --> 00:52:28.999 +But you need to serialize and put into a linear order + +00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.079 +in order to communicate. + +00:52:30.080 --> 00:52:32.799 +Otherwise, people cannot follow your thought. + +00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.119 +it's a pity because we still rely + +00:52:36.120 --> 00:52:39.159 +on the book style of writing + +00:52:39.160 --> 00:52:42.639 +and also hypertext which is making navigation easy + +00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:47.439 +but not telling a story easier in our modern times + +00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:49.999 +but we still rely a lot on books + +00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.199 +which take take a lot of intertwined stuff, + +00:52:54.200 --> 00:52:58.759 +put it into one order so you can read from start to finish. + +00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.319 +But then, in order for you to make sense of this, + +00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:02.439 +you need to chop it up, + +00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.439 +associate with things you already know, + +00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.159 +and then attach things and create a new kind of structure + +00:53:07.160 --> 00:53:08.399 +through the narrative, + +00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.079 +because it's only one kind of presentation + +00:53:11.080 --> 00:53:12.079 +that's given to you. + +00:53:12.080 --> 00:53:14.919 +And there may also be different kinds of presentations, + +00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.599 +like I also mentioned for the STEM fields, + +00:53:16.600 --> 00:53:18.359 +where you have different textbooks + +00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.199 +from different eras of mathematics foundations, + +00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:24.140 +and then you see, hey, this one clicks, this one doesn't. + +00:53:24.120 --> 00:53:27.879 +Why? It's the same stuff, but they present it differently. + +00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.639 +And the presentation matters. The presentation matters. + +00:53:30.640 --> 00:53:33.119 +And if you only deal with the chaos, + +00:53:33.120 --> 00:53:34.399 +the weird entanglement, + +00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.479 +if you capture everything and anything, + +00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:41.239 +how many, I don't know, how many hairs you lost that day or whatever. + +00:53:41.240 --> 00:53:43.559 +If you capture everything in there, + +00:53:43.560 --> 00:53:45.119 +you don't create the kind of value + +00:53:45.120 --> 00:53:47.159 +that is linearizable into thought, + +00:53:47.160 --> 00:53:49.599 +which also makes reading your own stuff later, + +00:53:49.600 --> 00:53:55.839 +maybe unbearable, maybe at least hard and making sense. + +00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.719 +Now we come back to one of the earlier questions, + +00:53:57.720 --> 00:54:00.399 +like, why do I not use outlines? + +00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.039 +Because Org-node allows me to do outlines. + +00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:06.319 +Well, I try to write my notes as blog posts, + +00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.599 +very short blog posts, microblogging, if you will, + +00:54:09.600 --> 00:54:11.439 +paragraphs, a couple of paragraphs. + +00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.279 +Maybe it's also more nested because it's a huge topic. + +00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.199 +It's a complex topic. That also happens. + +00:54:16.200 --> 00:54:18.039 +But then it's more like an article, + +00:54:18.040 --> 00:54:21.279 +a long blog post, or an essay, + +00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:26.279 +but never just vomiting thought out onto the page, + +00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.559 +because then you will get back to the note + +00:54:28.560 --> 00:54:31.199 +and you will find, hey, there's a lot of vomit. + +00:54:31.200 --> 00:54:36.759 +But you never follow this kind of phrase with nice. + +00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.880 +I enjoyed reading that. It's always me. + +00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.239 +Oppressing because of its mass, + +00:54:43.240 --> 00:54:46.279 +it's also getting in the way of having new ideas + +00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:48.719 +because whatever is there and you need to tangle it + +00:54:48.720 --> 00:54:52.759 +and then you lost your new genuine idea, + +00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.319 +this can also happen. + +00:54:56.320 --> 00:55:00.759 +So I'm not sure what the Westenberg video contains, + +00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.799 +but the sentiment there of deleting everything, + +00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.999 +it makes sense if you find yourself in a situation + +00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.359 +where you don't have a productive system. + +00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.199 +and the notes from 2009 in my own Zettelkasten + +00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:15.159 +aren't of the highest quality standards + +00:55:15.160 --> 00:55:17.959 +I rewrite most of them when I encounter them, + +00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:23.399 +but I can still use a couple as is and sometimes they're just garbage, + +00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:28.119 +but as Luhmann said garbage like trickles to the ground + +00:55:28.120 --> 00:55:34.599 +and forms a nice sediment layer there in the septic tank of your thought machine, + +00:55:34.600 --> 00:55:36.439 +your thought thinking environment. + +00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:40.319 +But clear water separates and then rises to the top + +00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.439 +and that's what you work with. + +00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:47.759 +it's never going to be 100% useful. But if it's 90% garbage + +00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.479 +and if the water is, if the septic tank is never clearing, + +00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.399 +then you probably need to start + +00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:55.559 +over and rethink your approach. + +00:55:55.560 --> 00:55:57.319 +Maybe there was just too much garbage, + +00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:01.559 +too much toxic waste in there, whatever that means, right? + +00:56:01.560 --> 00:56:07.839 +So I do understand this, but also I would say + +00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:11.479 +maybe maybe they tried to do too much with a different mindset + +00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:24.839 +and it just didn't click and then they, + +00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:25.519 +you know next question is there a danger? + +00:56:25.520 --> 00:56:34.340 +also, wait a second, answer do not probably a lot of collection, + +00:56:34.341 --> 00:56:52.359 +not a lot of thinking in the Zettelkasten to some purpose. + +00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:58.700 +Usually. Conflation was the word I was fishing for. + +00:56:58.701 --> 00:57:02.840 +Usually posts videos like this. + +00:57:02.841 --> 00:57:15.049 +Conflate note taking as a dumping ground for stuff + +00:57:15.050 --> 00:57:22.174 +with something that is valuable in the long term. + +00:57:22.175 --> 00:57:27.599 +Also, if this was our dear friend Westenberg + +00:57:27.600 --> 00:57:30.439 +I think the note count also was higher, + +00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:33.519 +but I might confuse them with someone else. + +00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:36.959 +The note count was way higher than mine. Note count. + +00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:41.239 +But then also, you know, there's the sign + +00:57:41.240 --> 00:57:44.159 +of going for quantity in... + +00:57:44.160 --> 00:57:47.719 +just capture anything, like capturing, + +00:57:47.720 --> 00:57:48.799 +that's not the bottleneck. + +00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:52.479 +The bottleneck is finding, making connections happen, + +00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.919 +having thoughts and working on problems + +00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.279 +you really want to solve in the long term. + +00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.159 +So next question. + +NOTE Q: Is there a danger that with the Zettelkasten process, that the process gets a bit in the way of the content? + +00:57:59.160 --> 00:58:02.359 +Is there a danger that with the Zettelkasten process, + +00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.679 +that the process gets a bit in the way of the content? + +00:58:05.680 --> 00:58:12.279 +yes, especially if you do it like old school style + +00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.639 +if you find that your handwriting sucks + +00:58:14.640 --> 00:58:16.079 +and you want to type things + +00:58:16.080 --> 00:58:19.199 +on a typewriter like that kind of process + +00:58:19.200 --> 00:58:20.479 +definitely gets in the way + +00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.759 +that's going to be your bottleneck + +00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.679 +you can't find black paper + +00:58:24.680 --> 00:58:30.759 +and put it into your typewriter and then like that's not the speed of thought + +00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:35.959 +that's the speed of, I don't know, my long deceased grandmother + +00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:54.479 +but yeah it's not like a strive for speed of thought tools + +00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:00.439 +not needing a typewriter + +00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:10.519 +and then next step reduce ritual reduce rituals and ceremony + +00:59:10.520 --> 00:59:15.239 +What I mean by that is if you find yourself doing the same moves + +00:59:15.240 --> 00:59:16.799 +or similar moves over and over again, + +00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.439 +but they don't contribute + +00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:23.479 +to having more cool ideas per week, then maybe ditch these, + +00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.639 +apart from the day timestamp, + +00:59:26.640 --> 00:59:28.479 +having a title, hashtags, and content, + +00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.399 +and also being very, very careful about quoting my sources. + +00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.639 +I don't do much with my Zettelkasten. + +00:59:35.640 --> 00:59:37.679 +I cannot give up quoting my sources + +00:59:37.680 --> 00:59:39.399 +because then I'm plagiarizing, stealing, + +00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.879 +forgetting where I get ideas from and confuse. + +00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.599 +And I get out because I'm aware of the problem there. + +00:59:44.600 --> 00:59:49.439 +I'm also not trusting my own notes anymore. + +00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.159 +I would not be trusting my own notes anymore. + +00:59:51.160 --> 00:59:53.919 +I need to properly cite so then I can see, hey, + +00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.559 +this block has no quotations, that's mine, + +00:59:56.560 --> 01:00:00.559 +and I can trust this. It's not like, hey, this is maybe mine, + +01:00:00.560 --> 01:00:04.039 +maybe this is a verbatim quote from a book. Like this + +01:00:04.040 --> 01:00:05.799 +is not helping. That's a ceremony + +01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.039 +that's paying off in the long term also, + +01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:11.319 +so that when you write something, + +01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:15.159 +you have all the sources at hand. + +01:00:15.160 --> 01:00:16.882 +That's a useful ceremony. + +01:00:16.883 --> 01:00:20.799 +Title is just a way of summarizing the content. + +01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:25.119 +Do it like an excerpt, right? + +01:00:25.120 --> 01:00:26.919 +You have the whole content, that's your Zettel. + +01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:29.879 +Do a short summary, that may be your introduction. + +01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:33.239 +So have a way to quickly get a glimpse of the relevance + +01:00:33.240 --> 01:00:35.919 +before having to read the whole Zettel + +01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.719 +when you encounter it years from now. + +01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:41.319 +And then have a one, that's one sentence summary, + +01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:44.159 +and then have an even more condensed form that's a title. + +01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:45.679 +The title is basically your API, + +01:00:45.680 --> 01:00:49.359 +the interface for you and your notes. + +01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:54.879 +And it needs to uphold some kind of contract. + +01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.319 +And if it just is, like, this is my second note, + +01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.239 +that's not useful. This is just a technical limitation + +01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:02.839 +because you can't have the same file name twice. + +01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.639 +That's not going to be useful. + +01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:09.519 +But if you give yourself the permission to take time + +01:01:09.520 --> 01:01:12.919 +of titling your notes in one way and also changing titles, + +01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.199 +because you will know from writing introductions + +01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:18.679 +the further you get along, + +01:01:18.680 --> 01:01:22.279 +the more and more you need to rewrite your introductions + +01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.639 +because your understanding changes same for titles + +01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:28.319 +titles don't always stay consistent or constant + +01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.079 +that's why I don't link by title, because I would then need + +01:01:31.080 --> 01:01:39.299 +to go through my note archive and also need to go to + +01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:41.090 +my note archive and need to correct all the links. + +01:01:41.091 --> 01:01:44.039 +That's a janitorial task I like to not do, if I can. + +01:01:44.040 --> 01:01:49.759 +So answer here, less ceremony, fewer ceremonies, plural. + +01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:54.359 +Try to only do the minimum possible, minimum viable thing. + +01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.599 +And using Emacs and Denote, you get a lot of defaults. + +01:01:57.600 --> 01:01:58.719 +And then you need to worry + +01:01:58.720 --> 01:02:01.199 +not about IDs and tags that much, + +01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:04.159 +or where to put them and how to put them. + +01:02:04.160 --> 01:02:06.439 +You can omit keywords. You can leave keywords out. + +01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.159 +They don't scale anyway. + +01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:12.079 +But they may be interesting as a way to group, + +01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:19.959 +but also Sascha from zettelkasten.de, from our website, + +01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.279 +Sascha also found that, I believe, he, + +01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.119 +structures win in the long term. + +01:02:28.120 --> 01:02:30.719 +Manual created hubs and overviews + +01:02:30.720 --> 01:02:34.639 +win over machine generated lumps. + +01:02:34.640 --> 01:02:37.959 +Because you need to reorient yourself + +01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.239 +in the search results all the time. + +01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:45.679 +That's not as useful as having a pathway + +01:02:45.680 --> 01:02:49.559 +through your notes that you can follow. + +01:02:49.560 --> 01:02:52.039 +It may not be a pathway through all of your notes, of course, + +01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:56.159 +but it may be a pathway from entry point into some topic. + +01:02:56.160 --> 01:03:01.839 +That's why some things are essential and others aren't. + +01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.239 +And the essential stuff, try to do it quickly, get better at it, + +01:03:06.240 --> 01:03:08.799 +practice the movements, then they get out of the way, + +01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.919 +and then you can focus on having ideas + +01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:12.119 +and typing them at speed of thought, + +01:03:12.120 --> 01:03:15.239 +more or less, and then you're good. + +01:03:15.240 --> 01:03:20.639 +I hope. Wishing you all the best. Next and last question. + +NOTE Q: How do you navigate looking at all posts with certain tags + +01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:24.519 +How do you navigate looking at all posts with certain tags? + +01:03:24.520 --> 01:03:26.679 +This might be an emacs, already new to emacs. + +01:03:26.680 --> 01:03:28.679 +I just may have answered this. + +01:03:28.680 --> 01:03:31.799 +How do you navigate looking at all posts with certain tags? + +01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:43.215 +Let me go to my actual note archive, + +01:03:43.216 --> 01:03:55.919 +and then php, no, language learning, ah, + +01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.319 +this is not a nice setup. I'm very clumsy. + +01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:03.119 +I'm sorry, I don't know, swift, language learning, + +01:04:03.120 --> 01:04:28.465 +ah that's a boring one, php. By this time, I could have also, + +01:04:28.466 --> 01:04:35.299 +ah, there's the model. This would be an entry point + +01:04:35.300 --> 01:04:39.159 +into my PHP atom molecule organism learning journey + +01:04:39.160 --> 01:04:43.159 +where I tried to practice, what's visual line mode, sorry, + +01:04:43.160 --> 01:04:48.919 +where I tried to practice this atom molecule thing on something new. + +01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:51.879 +I haven't used PHP in a long time + +01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:59.199 +and found that I wasn't, yeah, you can see it on the screen also + +01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:01.439 +like language primitives are the atoms, + +01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:08.759 +I think molecules are more like idioms or patterns that are PHP special in PHP + +01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:10.599 +and different in other languages in Python + +01:05:10.600 --> 01:05:13.759 +would be list comprehension that's in a molecule + +01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.319 +and but also you can make a point for hey, + +01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.519 +this comprehension is more like a syntactical thing, + +01:05:18.520 --> 01:05:23.439 +no no get out of here, like the for loop is the syntactical atom + +01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.039 +and the molecule is using the for loop + +01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:26.559 +with weird other stuff + +01:05:26.560 --> 01:05:28.199 +to then make the list comprehension happen. + +01:05:28.200 --> 01:05:33.679 +That's my argument there, okay? So what do we do with this? + +01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:38.519 +I use this as an entry point if I want to see, + +01:05:38.520 --> 01:05:41.639 +hey, what kind of stuff did I take notes on + +01:05:41.640 --> 01:05:43.439 +to get a better understanding + +01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.239 +on multiple levels of the language. + +01:05:45.240 --> 01:05:47.479 +And project structure conventions + +01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:49.319 +and usually another language + +01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.239 +that I use more here would be, but I can't remember now. + +01:05:53.240 --> 01:05:57.479 +Funny, right? I can't remember how I would need to look, + +01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:58.959 +but I think I'm too clumsy in Emacs + +01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.639 +to do it live on camera, sorry. + +01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:05.759 +But the organisms part here would also be like my own inventions, + +01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:06.559 +let's say in code, + +01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:11.119 +like my own discoveries where I found that in Swift, for example, + +01:06:11.120 --> 01:06:13.359 +you can express things on the type level + +01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.639 +in a very sexy way sometimes. + +01:06:15.640 --> 01:06:19.439 +And then I would put these there as well. + +01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:20.959 +So these are also, + +01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:26.559 +There are organisms to discover in the language reference, + +01:06:26.560 --> 01:06:30.599 +but there are also organisms to discover in the world, + +01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:32.559 +and then they are your own inventions, + +01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:36.519 +discoveries, more or less. And that's a sign of mastery. + +01:06:36.520 --> 01:06:38.719 +If you work more on these things, + +01:06:38.720 --> 01:06:40.959 +then you don't need to worry + +01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:42.399 +about the basics of the language anymore. + +01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:46.239 +So I can use this as an entry point + +01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:51.039 +to get into things that are very PHP-esque. + +01:06:51.040 --> 01:06:54.359 +When do I need this? When I want to talk about PHP, + +01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:55.359 +like I do now. + +01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:59.359 +Why do I show this when the question is about tags? + +01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:10.919 +Because if I search for... Which one do I take? + +01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:22.719 +Let's try grep. php. Yep, grep exited abnormally. + +01:07:22.720 --> 01:07:28.039 +Dang, why? Option requires an argument. + +01:07:28.040 --> 01:07:36.159 +Yes, eshell is there. + +01:07:36.160 --> 01:07:43.919 +So let's just use rg, ripgrep and then ripgrep for php. + +01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:50.879 +And you see I get, I can do filenames only, right? + +01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:56.599 +Let's not worry. I get a lot of, let's just scroll up. + +01:07:56.600 --> 01:08:03.239 +I get a lot more hits here for the PHP tech, + +01:08:03.240 --> 01:08:06.759 +which is only about PHP specific things, + +01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:09.559 +not about anything that I do in PHP. + +01:08:09.560 --> 01:08:15.279 +Like, I don't know, I don't take Laravel or Filament, + +01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.879 +which are frameworks, libraries in PHP, + +01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.199 +the Zend library or whatever, I don't know many. + +01:08:21.200 --> 01:08:23.199 +Like I wouldn't take everything + +01:08:23.200 --> 01:08:26.999 +and anything that is related to the php ecosystem + +01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:28.399 +with the php hashtag. + +01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:30.679 +Why? Because then the tag becomes useless. + +01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.439 +I only tag things that are about the language. + +01:08:33.440 --> 01:08:39.159 +Like how do I pass variables to php includes that's php related. + +01:08:39.160 --> 01:08:44.879 +And you see these are... I'm still not at the top. + +01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.399 +now i'm at the top these are a lot more findings than you could + +01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:49.879 +these don't fit on the screen + +01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:51.919 +these are three pages i believe + +01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.039 +and the note about my language learning journey was + +01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:58.999 +wasn't even one full page here's white space + +01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.799 +there wasn't okay right but still there's much more stuff + +01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:07.479 +the hashtag I don't use for navigating. + +01:09:07.480 --> 01:09:10.839 +I only use this, let's say, the shotgun approach. + +01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.239 +I think Sascha on our Zettelkasten blog post, + +01:09:14.240 --> 01:09:16.359 +don't remember which post, mentioned this as well. + +01:09:16.360 --> 01:09:18.079 +Sometimes you need a sniper rifle. + +01:09:18.080 --> 01:09:21.319 +Sometimes you need a shotgun. + +01:09:21.320 --> 01:09:27.199 +And the hashtag-based search would be I don't know what I'm looking for. + +01:09:27.200 --> 01:09:32.959 +It was PHP related. I hope I use the hashtag correctly + +01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:36.879 +and then kill all these notes from my archive. + +01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.959 +The metaphor doesn't work that way, + +01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:41.279 +but still you get a lot of results here + +01:09:41.280 --> 01:09:45.959 +and you could use this as a way to filter from 11,000 notes + +01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:53.559 +down to 50 or so, maybe less. + +01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:58.999 +And if you got this far, then you can start to do it in a mechanical way again. + +01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:05.279 +But wait, if you have 100 or 1000 notes in the results there, + +01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:08.279 +then you can't mechanically go through all the notes again. + +01:10:08.280 --> 01:10:09.919 +You can maybe skim and look + +01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.159 +for something that catches your eye, + +01:10:11.160 --> 01:10:14.159 +if you're lucky, and if that's the thing + +01:10:14.160 --> 01:10:15.039 +that works for you. + +01:10:15.040 --> 01:10:21.319 +but usually no, like usually the text become useless + +01:10:21.320 --> 01:10:24.079 +then maybe tag groups become more useful + +01:10:24.080 --> 01:10:28.039 +like PHP and LSP which is on screen here + +01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:30.799 +like then maybe the combination of two tags + +01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:32.519 +that reduces the search terms enough + +01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:36.639 +like this is basically glorified full text search + +01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:41.359 +where you highlight certain terms of importance that's it, + +01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:44.999 +I wouldn't use I wouldn't put more effort in there + +01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.639 +It's also maybe useful to group things by topic. + +01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:52.399 +For example, study notes like, I don't know, + +01:10:52.400 --> 01:10:56.759 +this is my undergrad, third semester, + +01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:01.279 +what do you do in the third semester, I don't know, + +01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:06.399 +history of philosophy of science of birds, + +01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:10.959 +very long course name, and then week 10. + +01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.199 +And then you assemble everything + +01:11:13.200 --> 01:11:15.479 +with this very technical tagging. + +01:11:15.480 --> 01:11:18.239 +Then you can use these folders + +01:11:18.240 --> 01:11:20.999 +to loosely group stuff together + +01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:23.119 +that happened during that week. + +01:11:23.120 --> 01:11:26.519 +And if you have 10 required readings and then do five of them, + +01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:28.879 +but they're also not closely interrelated, + +01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:33.639 +you will have read five to 10 different sources that you could process. + +01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.319 +You could maybe then also create an overview note + +01:11:36.320 --> 01:11:38.359 +as a preparation for the seminar + +01:11:38.360 --> 01:11:44.799 +whatever happens at university. + +01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:51.199 +Then the hashtag becomes just a way to group things. + +01:11:51.200 --> 01:11:52.479 +But once you create the structure note, + +01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:55.039 +you don't need the hashtags to navigate anymore. + +01:11:55.040 --> 01:11:57.679 +You could then maybe use the hashtags not to navigate + +01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:02.919 +but to to clump, to create collections, + +01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:07.759 +pre-assembled to some degree collections of things that exist already, + +01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:09.559 +get them out there and then review them. + +01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.319 +Like Twyla Tharp again, dumping all the notes on a table, + +01:12:13.320 --> 01:12:15.519 +all the stuff on the table, + +01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.759 +not just notes, all the clippings and so on and so on, + +01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:18.959 +and then making sense of them. + +01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.639 +That's what you can use a hashtag search for in the longterm. + +01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:27.799 +And I'm not convinced about navigational use in the longterm. + +01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:31.439 +which doesn't mean that it won't work for you, + +01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:32.799 +but I can't recommend it. + +01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.899 +I can't recommend trying to do it that way. + +01:12:34.900 --> 01:12:37.882 +So my answer is going to be, how do you navigate + +01:12:37.883 --> 01:12:45.507 +looking at all posts with certain tags? I don't. + +01:12:45.508 --> 01:12:53.439 +Tags are just a way to loosely group notes and stuff in general + +01:12:53.440 --> 01:13:05.519 +so that you can find potentially, PP, why doesn't P work? + +01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:14.919 +Potentially relevant pieces of information more quickly. + +01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:34.959 +Navigational aids. Create navigational aids + +01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:38.049 +things that help you navigate like this is for a week + +01:13:38.050 --> 01:13:42.479 +what did I say 10 of semester three + +01:13:42.480 --> 01:13:44.632 +uh the history of the sociology + +01:13:44.633 --> 01:13:46.799 +of the philosophy of science of birds + +01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:51.559 +or something lump things together there then you have a + +01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:54.119 +then you have a scratch pad to think on you do this + +01:13:54.120 --> 01:13:59.279 +did do this when you went to university with paper anyway, right? + +01:13:59.280 --> 01:14:01.039 +You would get your college book or whatever + +01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:04.439 +and then you would take notes and these like that location + +01:14:04.440 --> 01:14:07.159 +of that piece of paper in your college book + +01:14:07.160 --> 01:14:09.959 +in your whatever notes folder + +01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:15.039 +that's the important piece of information + +01:14:15.040 --> 01:14:20.079 +and the scratchpad, the thinking environment for this course + +01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:22.679 +and if you have all the other things + +01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:24.679 +that you ever did at your disposal as well + +01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:26.839 +maybe pull them in maybe pull them in + +01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:28.759 +and then bring them to the discussion + +01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.479 +with your professor or your teaching assistant + +01:14:31.480 --> 01:14:35.199 +and asking about, well, I read these five books + +01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:37.159 +that you recommended for this week. + +01:14:37.160 --> 01:14:40.439 +Thank you for recommending five whole books + +01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:45.399 +for one week of reading. I really enjoyed that. Long pause. + +01:14:45.400 --> 01:14:50.599 +And then you say, I also thought about other topics + +01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:54.359 +and brought them into a, I don't know, dialectic or position. + +01:14:54.360 --> 01:14:58.959 +What do you think about foxes in that regard + +01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:01.599 +and their own history and subjectivity + +01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:08.639 +when it comes to the bird's point of view or something, right? + +01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:10.999 +You can only do this if you either know this by heart + +01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.999 +because you do this a lot, + +01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.279 +think a lot about this stuff or you do this, + +01:15:15.280 --> 01:15:18.799 +you stumble upon this and then look for oppositions, + +01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:19.959 +look for certain patterns in your notes + +01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:22.479 +and then try to pull them in and represent them again + +01:15:22.480 --> 01:15:26.239 +so they actually do exist and then you can work with this, + +01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:27.399 +you can get on people's nerves + +01:15:27.400 --> 01:15:30.959 +you can write weird papers, essays + +01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.719 +and then get through your university studies quickly + +01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.959 +maybe also become an interesting columnist, + +01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:39.319 +I don't know, I've never been a columnist Right. + +01:15:39.320 --> 01:15:44.079 +I think these are all the questions. + +01:15:44.080 --> 01:15:47.159 +I'm going to delete the leftover ones. + +01:15:47.160 --> 01:15:54.719 +I hope you enjoyed some of the answers. + +01:15:54.720 --> 01:16:01.174 +Thank you so much. Thank you. That's a lot. + +01:16:01.175 --> 01:16:04.674 +We'll go back and get everything transcribed as well, + +01:16:04.675 --> 01:16:08.599 +and then you can turn that into other articles in the future, + +01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.119 +because that's how this all works, right? + +01:16:10.120 --> 01:16:14.319 +It all turns into writing. It all does. + +01:16:14.320 --> 01:16:15.999 +All the rest is garbage. + +01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.799 +I don't know why we invented anything else. + +01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.919 +It's only useful to transfer language before writing, + +01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.279 +but now you can just read. + +01:16:26.280 --> 01:16:29.719 +We have two people in the Big Blue Button room + +01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:33.799 +who are still around, but I think they've got their, like, + +01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:35.719 +they don't have microphones set up. + +01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:40.679 +So I don't know if you want to just, like, CryptKNFL, + +01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.339 +if you want to just follow up through the Etherpadmp, + +01:16:44.340 --> 01:16:47.639 +or email, I guess, in case you have further questions. + +01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:50.119 +But yeah, if you want to wrap up, + +01:16:50.120 --> 01:16:52.799 +I know it's getting a little bit late over there, + +01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:55.919 +you're in your time zone. Thank you so much. + +01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.679 +Yeah, all right. Thank you. You're welcome. + +01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.719 +Thanks for joining and listening. + +01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:07.640 +Okay, I'll wrap it up here then. |