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So I could have kind of gone + +00:29.073 --> 00:36.917 +into a little bit more coding side of things, but I didn't + +00:29.073 --> 00:36.917 +want to stress too much on the talk. So that's why I kind of + +00:36.957 --> 00:41.919 +stuck to a very small bits of Org Mode and Elisp. And yeah, I + +00:42.319 --> 00:45.321 +think that's how it came about. Yeah, but that's perfectly + +00:46.536 --> 00:48.577 +fine. That's one of the chief reasons why we have two tracks + +00:49.437 --> 00:52.778 +for Emacs content. We've had those for the last four years, I + +00:52.798 --> 00:55.059 +think. It's because we have a general track, which is more + +00:55.119 --> 01:05.442 +geared towards people who want a general... well, + +00:55.119 --> 01:05.442 +generally people who are highly interested into org mode + +00:55.119 --> 01:05.442 +and not necessarily into coding, but just to whet their + +00:55.119 --> 01:05.442 +appetite to what can be done. And on the DevTrack, we have, + +01:06.082 --> 01:12.986 +well, this year we have talked about Rust and about other + +01:06.082 --> 01:12.986 +fancy things that people can do with Emacs. But, you know, + +01:13.006 --> 01:15.768 +I'm also a software engineer, you know, we do this all the + +01:13.006 --> 01:15.768 +time. Sometimes it's just fine to just chat about colors and + +01:15.808 --> 01:21.751 +just the results of what we develop rather than how the + +01:15.808 --> 01:21.751 +sausage is made. So that's completely fine too. I'm not sure + +NOTE Why colour? + +01:23.733 --> 01:32.618 +if you mentioned it in your presentation, but why color, out + +01:23.733 --> 01:32.618 +of all the things you could be ricing on your setup, why were + +01:23.733 --> 01:32.618 +you so interested about colors? I think it was just that + +01:34.870 --> 01:41.176 +mainly that I had to do a lot of context switch between + +01:34.870 --> 01:41.176 +different languages. Elisp is not the one because Elisp is + +01:41.576 --> 01:46.600 +something that I would do for Emacs editing. But for day job, + +01:47.061 --> 01:52.385 +I had to use mainly Go as I work with Kubernetes quite a bit. So + +01:52.525 --> 01:57.109 +Go and also web languages like TypeScript, JavaScript, you + +01:58.090 --> 02:13.642 +know, those languages, where I felt that whenever I was + +01:58.090 --> 02:13.642 +switching context to a different language, I felt that it's + +01:58.090 --> 02:13.642 +kind of annoying to see all the different colors in + +01:58.090 --> 02:13.642 +languages like TypeScript, where, you know, VS Code way + +01:58.090 --> 02:13.642 +would be very full of colors. which I felt that, okay, like, + +02:14.262 --> 02:23.569 +why do I have to have that many different colors on let and + +02:14.262 --> 02:23.569 +constant or the keywords where it could be just a white text? + +02:23.789 --> 02:25.170 +It didn't have to be that colorful. So that was the bit, the + +02:25.890 --> 02:30.373 +most annoying bit when it came to context switching. And I + +02:30.974 --> 02:35.197 +felt that that just didn't happen in the Org Mode or writing + +02:30.974 --> 02:35.197 +in general. So I had to find a way to make it work, make more + +02:36.017 --> 02:41.481 +coding make my coding more kind of friendly to me and that's + +02:42.173 --> 02:59.576 +when I thought maybe just the colors are something that's + +02:42.173 --> 02:59.576 +bothering me and it actually was the case and that's how I got + +02:42.173 --> 02:59.576 +to more into the color kind of journey and got too much into it + +02:42.173 --> 02:59.576 +I guess. Right, and was it what eventually motivated you to + +NOTE What motivated you to learn Elisp and get into the Emacs core? + +03:00.535 --> 03:05.778 +learn Elisp and to get into the Emacs core? Because it's + +03:05.798 --> 03:22.406 +funny how you find plenty of people using Emacs in Org Mode + +03:05.798 --> 03:22.406 +and then they find something that they take particular + +03:05.798 --> 03:22.406 +issue with, for you it's the color, and then they just go all + +03:05.798 --> 03:22.406 +in trying to pull the rope as far as they can to try to + +03:05.798 --> 03:22.406 +understand as much as possible about what code is managing + +03:05.798 --> 03:22.406 +this part of the application. Like for you it was color, for + +03:22.786 --> 03:25.047 +me it was the org agenda, I desperately wanted to make Org + +03:25.367 --> 03:30.692 +Agenda do something that it wasn't able to do. And five + +03:31.433 --> 03:36.318 +years, well, actually, no, 10 years later, I find myself + +03:31.433 --> 03:36.318 +hosting Emacs Cons. So, you never know just how far you're + +03:36.598 --> 03:39.201 +going to be pulling this rope. So, it's really interesting + +03:39.561 --> 03:42.224 +for me that my call was this. But back to the question, is this + +03:42.464 --> 03:48.150 +what eventually motivated you to get into Elisp and the core + +03:42.464 --> 03:48.150 +of Emacs? I think that the original journey to move to Emacs + +03:49.798 --> 04:02.250 +was around keybindings that I got annoyed with with other + +03:49.798 --> 04:02.250 +solutions, not just, you know, not speaking of Emacs + +03:49.798 --> 04:02.250 +keybinding or anything, like anything in general. The main + +04:02.870 --> 04:09.797 +reason was that I used Dovrak keyboard layout, and that + +04:02.870 --> 04:09.797 +meant that all the C-c, C-v, C-p, whatever, It just is + +04:10.257 --> 04:11.417 +all over the place. So I had to find something that could work + +04:11.577 --> 04:14.298 +for me. And Emacs was a solution that allowed me to do + +04:14.898 --> 04:17.499 +anything. And that's the kind of the journey that it + +04:18.019 --> 04:21.519 +originally started. And from there, started tweaking org + +04:21.599 --> 04:28.421 +mode and writing experience to be tuned to my liking. Color + +04:29.101 --> 04:33.682 +was another thing that I thought, OK, maybe I could do it + +04:29.101 --> 04:33.682 +easily with org mode. And when I started to use more of the + +04:34.262 --> 04:37.983 +coding side of things on Emacs, I felt that, okay, that was + +04:39.355 --> 04:41.697 +something I needed to solve. So Elisp was always kind of + +04:41.877 --> 04:48.022 +just a toolkit that, you know, I knew that it was available. I + +04:48.322 --> 04:52.105 +knew that it would be something that I want to be able to use. + +04:52.646 --> 04:58.090 +So I think in a way color was a good segue to understand how I + +04:52.646 --> 04:58.090 +can kind of work out more of a complex logic with the editor + +04:59.136 --> 05:07.220 +without having to write JavaScript or things that I don't + +04:59.136 --> 05:07.220 +particularly like. So yeah, I think the journey around the + +05:07.440 --> 05:13.583 +functional languages, functional kind of programming was + +05:07.440 --> 05:13.583 +always something that I was keen about. And yeah, the whole + +05:13.943 --> 05:16.644 +journey kind of made sense for me. And then moving on to the + +05:16.984 --> 05:21.246 +color was just one way to get more involved in. So I can + +05:21.406 --> 05:27.069 +totally see that this journey kind of making to a little bit + +05:21.406 --> 05:27.069 +different angle But yeah, we shall see how that really turns + +05:27.669 --> 05:30.972 +out. But for now, I think I'm happy with the color setup. Now I + +05:33.514 --> 05:35.095 +can really focus on the coding. Well, that's all good. And + +05:37.156 --> 05:44.162 +I'm sure plenty of people listening to you now, you know, + +05:37.156 --> 05:44.162 +find this relatable, how they eventually got into + +05:37.156 --> 05:44.162 +programming. Like for you, you did say that you were a + +05:44.222 --> 05:47.745 +software engineer now. But I found plenty of people, + +05:48.705 --> 05:53.469 +especially doing workshops, that just started you know, + +05:54.339 --> 06:01.267 +their software engineering journey just with Emacs and + +05:54.339 --> 06:01.267 +they just realized they were doing something completely + +05:54.339 --> 06:01.267 +different, like I was studying humanities. But then you + +06:01.787 --> 00:06:02.687 +touch Emacs and you realize, yeah, this whole programming + +06:01.787 --> 06:06.693 +shtick is actually pretty damn cool. + +00:06:07.280 --> 00:06:09.399 +And then you find yourself again, + +00:06:09.400 --> 00:06:11.039 +five to 10 years later, becoming a software + +00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:12.919 +engineer. So yeah, that's all good. + +00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.519 +So we do have a couple of + +00:06:14.520 --> 00:06:18.439 +questions and I'd like to move into them so that I, I mean, + +00:06:18.440 --> 00:06:22.439 +people have questions and for me it's okay for me to chat with + +00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:25.119 +you but obviously it's better if people ask you the question + +00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.679 +themselves. And again, if you want to ask questions to Ryota + +00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.079 +directly, feel free to join us on BBB and whenever we're done + +00:06:31.080 --> 00:06:33.519 +with the questions on the pad, I'm more than happy + +00:06:33.520 --> 00:06:34.444 +to let you ask your questions live. + +NOTE Q: Is there any intention to create a library for working with more experimental color spaces? Pulling code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps? + +06:35.982 --> 00:06:37.902 +All right, so starting with the first question, + +00:06:37.903 --> 00:06:45.108 +is there any intention to create a library + +00:06:37.903 --> 06:45.108 +for working with more experimental color spaces, pulling + +06:35.982 --> 06:45.108 +code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps? Although I + +06:45.329 --> 06:46.049 +do not know. Hasliberg, you might? Yeah, Hasliberg. And to + +06:49.692 --> 06:50.892 +answer the question, started the journey just for myself + +06:52.859 --> 07:04.331 +and I didn't think that it would be actually useful for other + +06:52.859 --> 07:04.331 +use cases and this conference talk just came about kind of + +06:52.859 --> 07:04.331 +out of sheer luck really. So the idea I think I can definitely + +07:04.771 --> 07:14.501 +work it out and I don't think there will be too, the original + +07:04.771 --> 07:14.501 +code that I started with was I had to use some color space and I + +07:15.931 --> 07:21.595 +started with sRGB and then went to HSL and then went to LCH. So + +07:21.996 --> 07:24.678 +I think there has been quite a bit that I learned from it. At + +07:25.458 --> 07:33.885 +the same time, I may be tempted to actually maybe perhaps + +07:25.458 --> 07:33.885 +contribute back to ct.el rather than creating my own. I + +07:34.105 --> 07:36.227 +think that would make more sense perhaps. + +07:36.607 --> 00:07:39.548 +But for my own kind of taste that I thought + +00:07:39.549 --> 00:07:42.891 +that it would be something I can work out in my theme, + +00:07:42.892 --> 00:07:44.273 +but I don't have any I think, you know, making a + +07:45.813 --> 07:53.975 +library is definitely something that I can think about, but + +07:45.813 --> 07:53.975 +perhaps maybe making it too many packages isn't exactly + +07:45.813 --> 07:53.975 +what I want. But for my own use case, I think I just wanted to + +07:55.175 --> 08:06.317 +have something that just didn't have any external + +07:55.175 --> 08:06.317 +dependency so that I can use the vanilla Emacs with my + +07:55.175 --> 08:06.317 +colors. I think that's how it started, but I'm definitely up + +08:06.757 --> 08:11.558 +for it if there is interest about it. Yeah, well, thank you + +08:12.622 --> 00:08:13.615 +for this. It's always good to contribute. + +00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:16.399 +I'm tempted to say + +00:08:16.400 --> 00:08:18.679 +that's how they get you. You know, you do something really + +00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.799 +cool and you share it with people and they have the, you know, + +00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.080 +they just ask you, oh, do you have your code online? And you + +08:27.166 --> 08:28.667 +realize, no, I haven't pushed it. And then they start + +08:28.707 --> 08:30.107 +pressing you on. well, you need to do this, this is amazing + +08:30.287 --> 08:33.349 +and you need to share it. You know, I had plenty of people ask + +08:33.849 --> 08:41.735 +me to share my dot files when I was tackling the org agenda + +08:33.849 --> 08:41.735 +issue that I mentioned earlier. And yeah, eventually when + +08:42.575 --> 08:54.243 +you get to publishing your stuff, you also feel great + +08:42.575 --> 08:54.243 +because you're putting a little bit of your intelligence + +08:42.575 --> 08:54.243 +into the world and it can be the start of the journey for + +08:42.575 --> 08:54.243 +someone else. You know, maybe someone will find your + +08:54.283 --> 08:59.867 +library at some point and realize, yeah, I wanted to do + +08:54.283 --> 08:59.867 +something slightly differently. and then they either + +09:00.387 --> 09:10.793 +contribute to a library or they make their own but it's a + +09:00.387 --> 09:10.793 +complete journey that starts with just people taking the + +09:00.387 --> 09:10.793 +time to publish the content of the brain basically. Yeah, + +09:11.894 --> 09:13.354 +that's the power of open source now. It's just how we really + +09:13.654 --> 09:21.276 +appreciate the open source culture being cultivated + +09:13.654 --> 09:21.276 +throughout so many years. And yeah, this is something that + +09:21.736 --> 09:24.337 +I'm definitely keen about. So yeah, open for suggestions. + +09:26.618 --> 09:29.298 +And exactly, that's how I started with the journey. And + +00:09:29.760 --> 00:09:33.559 +yeah, while this is very experimental and very personal, + +00:09:33.560 --> 00:09:38.239 +yeah, I'm not, you know, tied down to one particular way + +00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.679 +only. So yeah we'll be open to suggestions like this one + +00:09:41.680 --> 00:09:44.839 +which I would definitely think about. Yeah that's amazing + +00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.879 +and just to be clear you know this is not a there's no + +00:09:46.880 --> 00:09:47.840 +incentive one. I'm not pushing you to publish your library. + +09:51.070 --> 09:57.595 +You know it was very personal for you and at the end if you + +09:51.070 --> 09:57.595 +believe it might be useful for others it's a nice thing to + +09:51.070 --> 09:57.595 +eventually think about publishing it. But just the fact + +09:58.056 --> 10:00.117 +that you showed up at EmacsConf... Sorry, I'm + +10:01.278 --> 00:10:02.698 +starting to lose my voice on the morning + +00:10:02.699 --> 00:10:03.280 +of the first day. That's + +10:03.520 --> 00:10:08.559 +not boding well for the two next days. I mean, just one day. + +00:10:08.560 --> 00:10:10.079 +But just the + +00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.279 +fact that you're showing up at EmacsConf and sharing about + +00:10:13.280 --> 00:10:17.119 +all of this, the process, how you got to it eventually, it's + +00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.439 +also a part of sharing. And I think it's also amazing in its + +00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:26.039 +own way. Absolutely. Okay, I'm going to try to read the next + +00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:31.719 +question and then try to cough a little bit. So can we have... + +00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:36.919 +Oh, sorry, Bala. Sorry. I was the one who asked the question. + +00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:40.120 +I thought I could ask it live here rather than... Thank you. + +10:40.188 --> 10:41.368 +I'll go cough a little bit. So here I am. Thanks, Ryota, for + +10:45.050 --> 10:47.190 +the nice talk. This is great. I loved it. Your attention to + +10:49.531 --> 00:10:50.140 +detail was awesome. + +NOTE Q: Can we have a dark as well as light theme variations made from your theme? + +00:10:51.880 --> 00:10:55.079 +So I was just looking at the code and I was + +00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.839 +wondering, do you have a dark and a light theme variation + +00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.479 +which can be made from your theme? Or do you have to customize + +00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.519 +it every time? That was my question. And thanks for that. + +00:11:05.520 --> 00:11:07.640 +Thank you very much. I appreciate your feedback and + +00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:15.079 +questions. So to answer the question, the short answer is + +00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.639 +that I do have both dark and light themes with some sorts of + +00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:22.199 +standard colors that I personally liked. And there were a + +00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.719 +few things that I showed in the demo. where I showed, I think, + +00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.039 +three different dark theme colors. So light theme is + +00:11:30.040 --> 00:11:31.440 +definitely something that I can do. + +00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:33.879 +And the idea around Hasliberg theme + +00:11:33.880 --> 00:11:36.359 +and just my theming in general was that + +00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.679 +when I feel like I want to work in dark theme and when I want to + +00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:42.440 +work in the standard way, I would just use the standard color. + +00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.959 +But when I feel like maybe it's just so cold that I want + +00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:49.399 +to have a bit of a warm colors near me, I would use the orange + +00:11:49.400 --> 00:11:52.359 +theme, without changing too much of the kind of general + +00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.679 +feeling and experience. So that can be said for the light + +00:11:55.680 --> 00:11:58.959 +theme as well. So there is something and the kind of + +00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.919 +customization isn't that difficult to extend. So I do have + +00:12:04.920 --> 00:12:09.079 +both dark and light, but primarily I'm just looking at the + +00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.239 +dark theme as my main driver. But yeah, they are both + +00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.240 +available. Great. Thank you so much. I will definitely try + +00:12:18.208 --> 12:18.865 +your theme out. I'm definitely on the lookout for a nice, + +12:19.205 --> 12:22.426 +friendly theme. Thank you very much. As I said, this is a + +12:25.388 --> 12:27.429 +personal theme. I'm not sure if it really fits everyone's + +12:29.089 --> 12:42.816 +need, but it is one inspiration that I hope that can lead to + +12:29.089 --> 12:42.816 +another nice theming that could work for someone + +12:29.089 --> 12:42.816 +specifically for some use cases. I don't have to solve + +12:42.996 --> 12:44.977 +everyone's problem. Yeah, and I mean, it was sufficient to + +12:46.553 --> 12:49.715 +be inspirational to people. I mean, just Bala just + +12:49.755 --> 12:58.619 +mentioned it right now, but I'm sure plenty of people who + +12:49.755 --> 12:58.619 +watched live, but also people will be watching in the + +12:49.755 --> 12:58.619 +future, will have the interest to speak by what you've done. + +12:58.699 --> 13:00.040 +So thank you again so much for this. Yep. All right, well, I + +13:04.102 --> 13:06.603 +don't see any further questions. So I suggest we move + +13:07.083 --> 13:10.525 +towards closure. Ryota, do you have any last words? No, I + +13:13.775 --> 13:14.175 +don't. So yeah, thank you very much for attending. And it was + +13:16.577 --> 13:18.979 +great fun putting this together. And I really didn't think + +13:19.299 --> 13:27.545 +that I would be talking about my personal colors and + +13:19.299 --> 13:27.545 +personal favorites, like orange being my favorite color. + +13:27.845 --> 13:31.228 +This wouldn't be something that I would say out in any + +13:27.845 --> 13:31.228 +conference, to be honest. But it just came out to be. And + +13:33.890 --> 13:35.491 +happy that I had a chance. So thank you very much for giving me + +13:35.651 --> 13:39.154 +the opportunity to talk. in this amazing conference and + +13:39.574 --> 13:52.473 +yeah I can't just wait to check out other talks which you know + +13:39.574 --> 13:52.473 +I know that there isn't you know other talks that are + +13:39.574 --> 13:52.473 +happening right now I was actually wanted to to join them and + +13:39.574 --> 13:52.473 +check check that out so I will probably do that right now. + +13:53.419 --> 13:53.899 +Well, sure. Well, I won't hold you any longer then. Thank + +13:56.401 --> 13:56.741 +you. For me, it was just amazing to, you know, generally when + +13:57.682 --> 14:03.285 +you ask someone what their favorite color, you know, they + +13:57.682 --> 14:03.285 +just tell you orange or blue or whatever. They don't go then + +14:03.586 --> 14:10.690 +to chat about 20 minutes about their favorite color and how + +14:03.586 --> 14:10.690 +they tuned their entire editor to work exactly around their + +14:03.586 --> 14:10.690 +favorite colors. So it was inspiring. And I also want to try + +14:12.912 --> 14:21.057 +it out, frankly, because my theme has been utterly bad for + +14:12.912 --> 14:21.057 +the last five years and I need some change into my life. All + +14:21.497 --> 14:21.677 +right. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much, + +14:23.629 --> 14:24.654 +everyone. Cheers. Bye-bye. |