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So I could have kind of gone + +00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:34.919 +into a little bit more coding side of things, but I didn't + +00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:38.319 +want to stress too much on the talk. So that's why I kind of + +00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:43.439 +stuck to a very small bits of Org Mode and Elisp. And yeah, I + +00:00:43.440 --> 00:00:48.159 +think that's how it came about. Yeah, but that's perfectly + +00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:52.119 +fine. That's one of the chief reasons why we have two tracks + +00:00:52.120 --> 00:00:54.799 +for Emacs content. We've had those for the last four years, I + +00:00:54.800 --> 00:00:57.279 +think. It's because we have a general track, which is more + +00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.239 +geared towards people who want a general... well, + +00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.799 +generally people who are highly interested into org mode + +00:01:01.800 --> 00:01:03.999 +and not necessarily into coding, but just to whet their + +00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.399 +appetite to what can be done. And on the DevTrack, we have, + +00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.519 +well, this year we have talked about Rust and about other + +00:01:11.520 --> 00:01:13.559 +fancy things that people can do with Emacs. But, you know, + +00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:15.559 +I'm also a software engineer, you know, we do this all the + +00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:18.079 +time. Sometimes it's just fine to just chat about colors and + +00:01:18.080 --> 00:01:20.959 +just the results of what we develop rather than how the + +00:01:20.960 --> 00:01:24.839 +sausage is made. So that's completely fine too. I'm not sure + +NOTE Why colour? + +00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:28.879 +if you mentioned it in your presentation, but why color, out + +00:01:28.880 --> 00:01:31.479 +of all the things you could be ricing on your setup, why were + +00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:37.559 +you so interested about colors? I think it was just that + +00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.239 +mainly that I had to do a lot of context switch between + +00:01:40.240 --> 00:01:44.119 +different languages. Elisp is not the one because Elisp is + +00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.079 +something that I would do for Emacs editing. But for day job, + +00:01:48.080 --> 00:01:52.999 +I had to use mainly Go as I work with Kubernetes quite a bit. So + +00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:58.119 +Go and also web languages like TypeScript, JavaScript, you + +00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.519 +know, those languages, where I felt that whenever I was + +00:02:01.520 --> 00:02:05.359 +switching context to a different language, I felt that it's + +00:02:05.360 --> 00:02:08.839 +kind of annoying to see all the different colors in + +00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.999 +languages like TypeScript, where, you know, VS Code way + +00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.799 +would be very full of colors. which I felt that, okay, like, + +00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.759 +why do I have to have that many different colors on let and + +00:02:18.760 --> 00:02:23.759 +constant or the keywords where it could be just a white text? + +00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:27.679 +It didn't have to be that colorful. So that was the bit, the + +00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.399 +most annoying bit when it came to context switching. And I + +00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.759 +felt that that just didn't happen in the Org Mode or writing + +00:02:34.760 --> 00:02:40.799 +in general. So I had to find a way to make it work, make more + +00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.199 +coding make my coding more kind of friendly to me and that's + +00:02:46.200 --> 00:02:50.039 +when I thought maybe just the colors are something that's + +00:02:50.040 --> 00:02:54.039 +bothering me and it actually was the case and that's how I got + +00:02:54.040 --> 00:02:59.359 +to more into the color kind of journey and got too much into it + +00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:04.039 +I guess. Right, and was it what eventually motivated you to + +NOTE What motivated you to learn Elisp and get into the Emacs core? + +00:03:04.040 --> 00:03:06.999 +learn Elisp and to get into the Emacs core? Because it's + +00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.399 +funny how you find plenty of people using Emacs in Org Mode + +00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:11.399 +and then they find something that they take particular + +00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:15.039 +issue with, for you it's the color, and then they just go all + +00:03:15.040 --> 00:03:18.039 +in trying to pull the rope as far as they can to try to + +00:03:18.040 --> 00:03:21.359 +understand as much as possible about what code is managing + +00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:23.879 +this part of the application. Like for you it was color, for + +00:03:23.880 --> 00:03:27.999 +me it was the org agenda, I desperately wanted to make Org + +00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:32.439 +Agenda do something that it wasn't able to do. And five + +00:03:32.440 --> 00:03:35.199 +years, well, actually, no, 10 years later, I find myself + +00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:38.199 +hosting Emacs Cons. So, you never know just how far you're + +00:03:38.200 --> 00:03:40.399 +going to be pulling this rope. So, it's really interesting + +00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:44.679 +for me that my call was this. But back to the question, is this + +00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.759 +what eventually motivated you to get into Elisp and the core + +00:03:47.760 --> 00:03:53.439 +of Emacs? I think that the original journey to move to Emacs + +00:03:53.440 --> 00:03:56.959 +was around keybindings that I got annoyed with with other + +00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.839 +solutions, not just, you know, not speaking of Emacs + +00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:02.879 +keybinding or anything, like anything in general. The main + +00:04:02.880 --> 00:04:07.519 +reason was that I used Dovrak keyboard layout, and that + +00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.799 +meant that all the C-c, C-v, C-p, whatever, It just is + +00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.919 +all over the place. So I had to find something that could work + +00:04:13.920 --> 00:04:17.039 +for me. And Emacs was a solution that allowed me to do + +00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.479 +anything. And that's the kind of the journey that it + +00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.039 +originally started. And from there, started tweaking org + +00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.439 +mode and writing experience to be tuned to my liking. Color + +00:04:28.440 --> 00:04:32.559 +was another thing that I thought, OK, maybe I could do it + +00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:36.239 +easily with org mode. And when I started to use more of the + +00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:40.799 +coding side of things on Emacs, I felt that, okay, that was + +00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:45.159 +something I needed to solve. So Elisp was always kind of + +00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:48.439 +just a toolkit that, you know, I knew that it was available. I + +00:04:48.440 --> 00:04:52.199 +knew that it would be something that I want to be able to use. + +00:04:52.200 --> 00:04:57.159 +So I think in a way color was a good segue to understand how I + +00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:03.359 +can kind of work out more of a complex logic with the editor + +00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.359 +without having to write JavaScript or things that I don't + +00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.399 +particularly like. So yeah, I think the journey around the + +00:05:09.400 --> 00:05:11.879 +functional languages, functional kind of programming was + +00:05:11.880 --> 00:05:15.439 +always something that I was keen about. And yeah, the whole + +00:05:15.440 --> 00:05:18.479 +journey kind of made sense for me. And then moving on to the + +00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.999 +color was just one way to get more involved in. So I can + +00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.279 +totally see that this journey kind of making to a little bit + +00:05:26.280 --> 00:05:30.759 +different angle But yeah, we shall see how that really turns + +00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:33.799 +out. But for now, I think I'm happy with the color setup. Now I + +00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:37.599 +can really focus on the coding. Well, that's all good. And + +00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:40.839 +I'm sure plenty of people listening to you now, you know, + +00:05:40.840 --> 00:05:43.639 +find this relatable, how they eventually got into + +00:05:43.640 --> 00:05:46.879 +programming. Like for you, you did say that you were a + +00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:50.519 +software engineer now. But I found plenty of people, + +00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:54.679 +especially doing workshops, that just started you know, + +00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.639 +their software engineering journey just with Emacs and + +00:05:57.640 --> 00:05:59.239 +they just realized they were doing something completely + +00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.999 +different, like I was studying humanities. But then you + +00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.079 +touch Emacs and you realize, yeah, this whole programming + +00:06:05.080 --> 00:06:06.679 +shtick is actually pretty damn cool. + +00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.079 +And then you find yourself again, + +00:06:09.080 --> 00:06:10.999 +five to 10 years later, becoming a software + +00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.999 +engineer. So yeah, that's all good. + +00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:13.919 +So we do have a couple of + +00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:18.439 +questions and I'd like to move into them so that I, I mean, + +00:06:18.440 --> 00:06:22.399 +people have questions and for me it's okay for me to chat with + +00:06:22.400 --> 00:06:25.119 +you but obviously it's better if people ask you the question + +00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.639 +themselves. And again, if you want to ask questions to Ryota + +00:06:27.640 --> 00:06:31.039 +directly, feel free to join us on BBB and whenever we're done + +00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.519 +with the questions on the pad, I'm more than happy + +00:06:33.520 --> 00:06:35.319 +to let you ask your questions live. + +NOTE Q: Is there any intention to create a library for working with more experimental color spaces? Pulling code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps? + +00:06:35.320 --> 00:06:37.799 +All right, so starting with the first question, + +00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:39.999 +is there any intention to create a library + +00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.559 +for working with more experimental color spaces, pulling + +00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.679 +code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps? Although I + +00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:50.479 +do not know. Hasliberg, you might? Yeah, Hasliberg. And to + +00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:55.119 +answer the question, started the journey just for myself + +00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.479 +and I didn't think that it would be actually useful for other + +00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:03.319 +use cases and this conference talk just came about kind of + +00:07:03.320 --> 00:07:08.079 +out of sheer luck really. So the idea I think I can definitely + +00:07:08.080 --> 00:07:12.199 +work it out and I don't think there will be too, the original + +00:07:12.200 --> 00:07:17.639 +code that I started with was I had to use some color space and I + +00:07:17.640 --> 00:07:22.479 +started with sRGB and then went to HSL and then went to LCH. So + +00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.479 +I think there has been quite a bit that I learned from it. At + +00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.999 +the same time, I may be tempted to actually maybe perhaps + +00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:34.159 +contribute back to ct.el rather than creating my own. I + +00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.279 +think that would make more sense perhaps. + +00:07:36.280 --> 00:07:39.479 +But for my own kind of taste that I thought + +00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.839 +that it would be something I can work out in my theme, + +00:07:42.840 --> 00:07:46.879 +but I don't have any I think, you know, making a + +00:07:46.880 --> 00:07:49.999 +library is definitely something that I can think about, but + +00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.679 +perhaps maybe making it too many packages isn't exactly + +00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:57.319 +what I want. But for my own use case, I think I just wanted to + +00:07:57.320 --> 00:07:59.919 +have something that just didn't have any external + +00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:04.119 +dependency so that I can use the vanilla Emacs with my + +00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:09.639 +colors. I think that's how it started, but I'm definitely up + +00:08:09.640 --> 00:08:13.719 +for it if there is interest about it. Yeah, well, thank you + +00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:15.279 +for this. It's always good to contribute. + +00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:16.399 +I'm tempted to say + +00:08:16.400 --> 00:08:18.279 +that's how they get you. You know, you do something really + +00:08:18.280 --> 00:08:23.639 +cool and you share it with people and they have the, you know, + +00:08:23.640 --> 00:08:27.239 +they just ask you, oh, do you have your code online? And you + +00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.399 +realize, no, I haven't pushed it. And then they start + +00:08:29.400 --> 00:08:32.359 +pressing you on. well, you need to do this, this is amazing + +00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:35.879 +and you need to share it. You know, I had plenty of people ask + +00:08:35.880 --> 00:08:40.519 +me to share my dot files when I was tackling the org agenda + +00:08:40.520 --> 00:08:44.039 +issue that I mentioned earlier. And yeah, eventually when + +00:08:44.040 --> 00:08:47.479 +you get to publishing your stuff, you also feel great + +00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.279 +because you're putting a little bit of your intelligence + +00:08:50.280 --> 00:08:53.679 +into the world and it can be the start of the journey for + +00:08:53.680 --> 00:08:56.239 +someone else. You know, maybe someone will find your + +00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.679 +library at some point and realize, yeah, I wanted to do + +00:08:58.680 --> 00:09:01.239 +something slightly differently. and then they either + +00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.439 +contribute to a library or they make their own but it's a + +00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.359 +complete journey that starts with just people taking the + +00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:12.039 +time to publish the content of the brain basically. Yeah, + +00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:15.519 +that's the power of open source now. It's just how we really + +00:09:15.520 --> 00:09:19.119 +appreciate the open source culture being cultivated + +00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.159 +throughout so many years. And yeah, this is something that + +00:09:23.160 --> 00:09:26.999 +I'm definitely keen about. So yeah, open for suggestions. + +00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.079 +And exactly, that's how I started with the journey. And + +00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.519 +yeah, while this is very experimental and very personal, + +00:09:33.520 --> 00:09:38.199 +yeah, I'm not, you know, tied down to one particular way + +00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.399 +only. So yeah we'll be open to suggestions like this one + +00:09:41.400 --> 00:09:44.719 +which I would definitely think about. Yeah that's amazing + +00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.999 +and just to be clear you know this is not a there's no + +00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.639 +incentive one. I'm not pushing you to publish your library. + +00:09:50.640 --> 00:09:53.799 +You know it was very personal for you and at the end if you + +00:09:53.800 --> 00:09:56.199 +believe it might be useful for others it's a nice thing to + +00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.799 +eventually think about publishing it. But just the fact + +00:09:58.800 --> 00:10:01.439 +that you showed up at EmacsConf... Sorry, I'm + +00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:02.639 +starting to lose my voice on the morning + +00:10:02.640 --> 00:10:03.839 +of the first day. That's + +00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.639 +not boding well for the two next days. I mean, just one day. + +00:10:07.640 --> 00:10:09.159 +But just the + +00:10:09.160 --> 00:10:13.199 +fact that you're showing up at EmacsConf and sharing about + +00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:17.039 +all of this, the process, how you got to it eventually, it's + +00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:19.639 +also a part of sharing. And I think it's also amazing in its + +00:10:19.640 --> 00:10:26.039 +own way. Absolutely. Okay, I'm going to try to read the next + +00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:31.639 +question and then try to cough a little bit. So can we have... + +00:10:31.640 --> 00:10:36.759 +Oh, sorry, Bala. Sorry. I was the one who asked the question. + +00:10:36.760 --> 00:10:40.279 +I thought I could ask it live here rather than... Thank you. + +00:10:40.280 --> 00:10:46.039 +I'll go cough a little bit. So here I am. Thanks, Ryota, for + +00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:50.519 +the nice talk. This is great. I loved it. Your attention to + +00:10:50.520 --> 00:10:51.519 +detail was awesome. + +NOTE Q: Can we have a dark as well as light theme variations made from your theme? + +00:10:51.520 --> 00:10:54.959 +So I was just looking at the code and I was + +00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.759 +wondering, do you have a dark and a light theme variation + +00:10:58.760 --> 00:11:02.599 +which can be made from your theme? Or do you have to customize + +00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:06.199 +it every time? That was my question. And thanks for that. + +00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.679 +Thank you very much. I appreciate your feedback and + +00:11:09.680 --> 00:11:15.039 +questions. So to answer the question, the short answer is + +00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:18.439 +that I do have both dark and light themes with some sorts of + +00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.199 +standard colors that I personally liked. And there were a + +00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.679 +few things that I showed in the demo. where I showed, I think, + +00:11:26.680 --> 00:11:29.999 +three different dark theme colors. So light theme is + +00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.559 +definitely something that I can do. + +00:11:31.560 --> 00:11:33.759 +And the idea around Hasliberg theme + +00:11:33.760 --> 00:11:36.279 +and just my theming in general was that + +00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:39.599 +when I feel like I want to work in dark theme and when I want to + +00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.159 +work in the standard way, I would just use the standard color. + +00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:44.919 +But when I feel like maybe it's just so cold that I want + +00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:48.519 +to have a bit of a warm colors near me, I would use the orange + +00:11:48.520 --> 00:11:52.279 +theme, without changing too much of the kind of general + +00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:55.639 +feeling and experience. So that can be said for the light + +00:11:55.640 --> 00:11:58.959 +theme as well. So there is something and the kind of + +00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.839 +customization isn't that difficult to extend. So I do have + +00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:09.359 +both dark and light, but primarily I'm just looking at the + +00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.839 +dark theme as my main driver. But yeah, they are both + +00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:18.239 +available. Great. Thank you so much. I will definitely try + +00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.719 +your theme out. I'm definitely on the lookout for a nice, + +00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:26.119 +friendly theme. Thank you very much. As I said, this is a + +00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.279 +personal theme. I'm not sure if it really fits everyone's + +00:12:31.280 --> 00:12:37.159 +need, but it is one inspiration that I hope that can lead to + +00:12:37.160 --> 00:12:40.639 +another nice theming that could work for someone + +00:12:40.640 --> 00:12:44.199 +specifically for some use cases. I don't have to solve + +00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:48.719 +everyone's problem. Yeah, and I mean, it was sufficient to + +00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.719 +be inspirational to people. I mean, just Bala just + +00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:53.759 +mentioned it right now, but I'm sure plenty of people who + +00:12:53.760 --> 00:12:55.999 +watched live, but also people will be watching in the + +00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.599 +future, will have the interest to speak by what you've done. + +00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:05.079 +So thank you again so much for this. Yep. All right, well, I + +00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.719 +don't see any further questions. So I suggest we move + +00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:14.279 +towards closure. Ryota, do you have any last words? No, I + +00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:17.079 +don't. So yeah, thank you very much for attending. And it was + +00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.519 +great fun putting this together. And I really didn't think + +00:13:20.520 --> 00:13:24.759 +that I would be talking about my personal colors and + +00:13:24.760 --> 00:13:27.759 +personal favorites, like orange being my favorite color. + +00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:30.119 +This wouldn't be something that I would say out in any + +00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:34.159 +conference, to be honest. But it just came out to be. And + +00:13:34.160 --> 00:13:37.479 +happy that I had a chance. So thank you very much for giving me + +00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.439 +the opportunity to talk. in this amazing conference and + +00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.319 +yeah I can't just wait to check out other talks which you know + +00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.919 +I know that there isn't you know other talks that are + +00:13:46.920 --> 00:13:50.199 +happening right now I was actually wanted to to join them and + +00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.759 +check check that out so I will probably do that right now. + +00:13:52.760 --> 00:13:56.839 +Well, sure. Well, I won't hold you any longer then. Thank + +00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.759 +you. For me, it was just amazing to, you know, generally when + +00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:01.639 +you ask someone what their favorite color, you know, they + +00:14:01.640 --> 00:14:04.399 +just tell you orange or blue or whatever. They don't go then + +00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:07.039 +to chat about 20 minutes about their favorite color and how + +00:14:07.040 --> 00:14:10.079 +they tuned their entire editor to work exactly around their + +00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:14.759 +favorite colors. So it was inspiring. And I also want to try + +00:14:14.760 --> 00:14:17.999 +it out, frankly, because my theme has been utterly bad for + +00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.639 +the last five years and I need some change into my life. All + +00:14:20.640 --> 00:14:24.319 +right. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much, + +00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:30.640 +everyone. Cheers. Bye-bye. + |