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I've + +00:37.560 --> 00:42.400 +put so many great talk in the wild for people to to be able to consume so and that's no + +00:42.400 --> 00:46.760 +little thanks to all our speakers including you Michael so thank you so much oh no you're + +00:46.760 --> 00:52.160 +very welcome I'm just happy to be a part of it yeah and we're glad you are so Michael + +00:52.160 --> 00:57.760 +do you have the pad open in front of you I do indeed looks like you've got a few questions + +00:57.760 --> 01:04.680 +coming in here yes meeting the question and then answering them sure sure let's start + +01:04.680 --> 01:10.520 +off with the one one I've already answered how did you create the drill down representation + +01:10.520 --> 01:19.320 +of the make call wondered if I sketched it out by hand and scanned it so I should every + +01:19.320 --> 01:26.480 +talk I give both at work and elsewhere people ask this question I should like get a finder's + +01:26.480 --> 01:35.120 +fee from Excalidraw but there's a website on the web called Excalidraw.com very nice + +01:35.120 --> 01:42.000 +diagramming solution it makes these awesome sort of hand written looking diagrams so that's + +01:42.000 --> 01:50.880 +what I used first question have you seen Reclaim ID this allows you to make a login that you + +01:50.880 --> 01:57.160 +own or at least is more open source and ownable seems to fit with the indie web so this is + +01:57.160 --> 02:02.320 +one of the things I've come to like about speaking at EmacsConf I feel like I learn + +02:02.320 --> 02:08.040 +you know as much or more than I teach no I am not familiar with this so I will definitely + +02:08.040 --> 02:18.160 +be taking a look there is an indie web protocol for identity it's called indie auth but yeah + +02:18.160 --> 02:24.520 +thanks for the tip I will definitely check out Reclaim ID what happens when you republish + +02:24.520 --> 02:31.360 +or re-export the same post will the web mentions be sent out repeatedly they will not not you + +02:31.360 --> 02:40.880 +could do that I suppose you might annoy some of your recipients but my solution on successful + +02:40.880 --> 02:47.600 +send of the initial web mention notes that down and is smart enough to not re-send it + +02:47.600 --> 02:56.600 +a second yeah so and actually I want to follow up on something on IRC I think Carl Voight + +02:56.600 --> 03:03.440 +said oh I don't have to have a database you don't have to have a database but I do use + +03:03.440 --> 03:14.520 +a plain text file full of just just printed list forms to maintain state let's see an + +03:14.520 --> 03:19.720 +advantage I see to using org mode for the indie web is you can use it for your notes + +03:19.720 --> 03:26.800 +org room for example no export for private yes yes the web mentions could be org file + +03:26.800 --> 03:36.200 +yes absolutely so yeah I mean so many people have found org mode so handy as a writing + +03:36.200 --> 03:44.040 +tool that you know and I just felt like you were right there right you just need a little + +03:44.040 --> 03:50.200 +bit of code to get you to transcode the HTML and get it on the web and then it was like + +03:50.200 --> 03:55.560 +well gosh I'm right there just a little bit more code and I can start sending web mentions + +03:55.560 --> 04:10.560 +I could start posseing etc etc etc any thoughts on using with ox Hugo so no not because I + +04:10.560 --> 04:18.200 +have anything against ox Hugo simply because I'm unfamiliar with it there's a couple of + +04:18.200 --> 04:25.760 +static site generators out there that you can use with org mode my design philosophy + +04:25.760 --> 04:33.120 +for this was I was going to start with emacs and org mode out of the box and see how far + +04:33.120 --> 04:43.400 +I could get with just adding a little bit of a list around it this a web 3 approach p.s. + +04:43.400 --> 05:00.280 +former not former military just losing my hair not I don't know what web 3 means some + +05:00.280 --> 05:06.960 +people it seems to be a decentralized approach and indie web is all about reclaiming your + +05:06.960 --> 05:14.160 +identity and your data from a few they call them silos right we're talking about the big + +05:14.160 --> 05:28.160 +social media oh cool great help me the web one with static sites yep yep everybody go + +05:28.160 --> 05:35.160 +out and blog on your own server and web rings were kind of like the communication mechanism + +05:35.160 --> 05:50.560 +web 2 is more interactive yeah I mean web 2 certainly was more interactive I guess I + +05:50.560 --> 06:02.080 +see it as we're gonna Michael just interrupting a little quickly we are going to open up the + +06:02.080 --> 06:06.520 +Q&A to people so if you want to join us the same dude as usual you go to the talk page + +06:06.520 --> 06:15.720 +we've also posted the sorry to give you just a second just a second I'm verifying something + +06:15.720 --> 06:21.080 +with audio level okay cool apparently my audio is perfect we were trying to do some live adjustments + +06:21.080 --> 06:25.640 +so we're saying we've opened up the BBB room so that people we want to join the last five + +06:25.640 --> 06:32.080 +questions are able to do so so either on the talk page or you can do this also on IRC + +06:32.080 --> 06:36.320 +we've posted the link over there so Michael you feel free to keep taking questions on + +06:36.320 --> 06:39.600 +the pad we still have many of them but I just wanted to let people know in case they wanted + +06:39.600 --> 06:45.200 +to join and also one last information we will need to move on with the next talk in 16 minutes + +06:45.200 --> 06:57.560 +so you still have plenty of time yeah wow I'm excited there's so much time left to answer + +06:57.560 --> 07:04.320 +question or oh wow I'm not sure what I'm gonna do for 60 minutes oh no the former oh wow + +07:04.320 --> 07:09.240 +I'm not sure I'm gonna get to all these all these right well you'll be able to answer later + +07:09.240 --> 07:14.280 +try to do as many as you can okay so I'm on IRC right now somebody's telling me I'm super + +07:14.280 --> 07:19.480 +quiet I'm gonna adjust the mic no don't worry about OJ levels it's on us you don't worry + +07:19.480 --> 07:27.080 +about it let's see Sasha's gonna try and fix is there a workflow to use emacs to publish + +07:27.080 --> 07:38.360 +and connect directly to target websites so that's an interesting question can you what + +07:38.360 --> 07:46.080 +do you mean by workflow in that question so you want to cut telegraph out of the equation + +07:46.080 --> 08:00.880 +get that that means oh I'm sorry I thought somebody had joined the chat room don't worry + +08:00.880 --> 08:04.800 +I will I will let them know if you have people joining and asking questions if you hear another + +08:04.800 --> 08:08.560 +voice than mine it's someone joining and I will try to be polite and say yeah can you + +08:08.560 --> 08:13.320 +please wait let's Michael finish the question don't worry I don't know everything so if + +08:13.320 --> 08:20.560 +you want to cut telegraph out of equation that means you're going to need to take on + +08:20.560 --> 08:28.720 +more work client side in terms of first discovering the web mention endpoint which is gonna involve + +08:28.720 --> 08:37.840 +parsing HTML which we all hate then you're going to need to send the request to that + +08:37.840 --> 08:43.960 +web your web mention to that endpoint which introduces you know the standard question + +08:43.960 --> 08:48.120 +with web hooks is what if they're down what if you can't reach them what if you're not + +08:48.120 --> 08:53.560 +on the networks and now you got to build yourself a queuing system but sure sure absolutely + +08:53.560 --> 09:02.640 +indie web is just a protocol and I think the community would actually welcome fewer points + +09:02.640 --> 09:10.520 +of failure like telegraph we got the BBB audio better okay great so questions we were discussing + +09:10.520 --> 09:22.520 +web three Carl says some people started to term web zero for similar decentralized approaches + +09:22.520 --> 09:30.000 +yeah I don't think that by no means does indie web imply static site there are actually + +09:30.000 --> 09:38.440 +CMS systems that talk to that speak the indie web protocols I think even WordPress does + +09:38.440 --> 09:44.560 +it as does Drupal yeah so I don't know if you want to we can discuss further if you + +09:44.560 --> 09:56.080 +want to hop in the room but yeah I guess I see it more as a decentralized web than three + +09:56.080 --> 10:01.320 +do I have a process nope I had sorry the question is do you have a process running on the web + +10:01.320 --> 10:09.040 +server to receive requests no so those are cashed for me and I literally have a cron + +10:09.040 --> 10:16.080 +job on my personal desktop and once an hour I just reach out and say you got any more + +10:16.080 --> 10:23.920 +web mentions for me and process them back here that does mean given that I have a statically + +10:23.920 --> 10:32.280 +generated website I need to republish every time I receive a web mention Michael if you + +10:32.280 --> 10:35.240 +don't mind interrupting we have someone in the room who would like to ask a question + +10:35.240 --> 10:41.520 +Max if you want to unmute yourself if you could ask the question I'm not sure if you're just + +10:41.520 --> 10:47.600 +showing your webcam yes you do have a question go on hi Michael no I actually didn't have + +10:47.600 --> 10:55.160 +a question I asked a question about the web 3.0 and I have a little concern about you + +10:55.160 --> 11:01.160 +know you use you describe kind of how dead it was to have just a static site and not + +11:01.160 --> 11:08.800 +be able to interact with people and so I was you know just thinking along those lines is + +11:08.800 --> 11:16.360 +anywhere is it a better way how satisfied are you with this with this with web mentions + +11:16.360 --> 11:23.120 +and you know sort of thumbs up down and did you actually get a demo running I mean are + +11:23.120 --> 11:39.960 +we able to see it somewhere well you can see it on my site which is just but I have can + +11:39.960 --> 11:43.480 +actually can you put it in the back can you put it in the back so that other people can + +11:43.480 --> 11:53.880 +actually access it including Max okay yes Max I know you're still there but I just want + +11:53.880 --> 11:57.280 +everyone to be able to click on it as well I'll do it don't worry about it I'll take + +11:57.280 --> 12:08.720 +care of it here we go Carl says web 3 is supposed to be something really strange with blockchains + +12:08.720 --> 12:22.240 +and this is definitely nothing like that yeah Carl put it much better than I could and well + +12:22.240 --> 12:26.320 +I'll just kind of okay cool Max is still here I'll just finish answering the question how + +12:26.320 --> 12:37.400 +satisfied am I it's work in progress I'm initially happy I was limited by time for this talk + +12:37.400 --> 12:43.040 +and as you can see maybe I got too far into the weeds but it was fairly involved just + +12:43.040 --> 12:50.360 +describing how to send and receive web mentions there's a second indie web protocol called + +12:50.360 --> 13:00.320 +posse publish on your own site syndicate elsewhere in which you can say okay I want to publish + +13:00.320 --> 13:09.240 +this post to my site oh and at the same time fire off a tweet referencing it and fire off + +13:09.240 --> 13:18.120 +a mastodon to referencing it and there are protocols for like pulling likes and boosts + +13:18.120 --> 13:27.480 +of that back to your own site as feedback and I've been playing with that a little bit + +13:27.480 --> 13:36.880 +and actually feeling pretty good about it yeah so happy to talk more other questions + +13:36.880 --> 13:42.200 +okay right so do I have a process running on the web server to receive requests nope + +13:42.200 --> 13:49.960 +just a cron job I think perhaps you're doing too much inside emacs yeah yeah great question + +13:49.960 --> 13:56.400 +I can't remember if I alluded to this at the end of the talk but as I said when I started + +13:56.400 --> 14:05.080 +down this path felt that was so close with just plain vanilla emacs in org mode it couldn't + +14:05.080 --> 14:12.160 +be that hard right and of course this is famous last words initially it was just a little + +14:12.160 --> 14:20.000 +bit of code around that to get the static site generator up sending web mentions are + +14:20.000 --> 14:28.480 +yeah it's a lot of code and so I'm definitely kind of at this point of you know is it time + +14:28.480 --> 14:37.040 +to turn to a proper CMS I start out using web mentions of service web mention telegraph + +14:37.040 --> 14:44.200 +then you want to change endpoint whether to a different service or I want to take them + +14:44.200 --> 14:53.480 +I see I see it didn't be the way the web mention oh I'm sorry let me finish the question I + +14:53.480 --> 14:59.960 +keep to make this clear so the question is let's suppose you start your site using web + +14:59.960 --> 15:06.800 +mentions of service and then later on you decide I want to change services or I'm just + +15:06.800 --> 15:12.080 +going to handle this myself is there sort of a dead letter problem will web mentions + +15:12.080 --> 15:21.600 +show up at the at the old address and it shouldn't be so when somebody wants to reach you that + +15:21.600 --> 15:28.560 +is when they do endpoint discovery so they if you would get request for your page and + +15:28.560 --> 15:36.560 +parse the HTML and they discover where to send web mentions there pose it for some reason + +15:36.560 --> 15:45.160 +they did that and sat on that information for some period of time of course then they + +15:45.160 --> 15:51.320 +might that you know they might send it to an old address but that would be that would + +15:51.320 --> 15:59.680 +be a non-standard use of the protocol you should be good have I seen a Gregor browser + +15:59.680 --> 16:05.480 +is a decentralized kiss browser using some of the peer-to-peer protocols interesting + +16:05.480 --> 16:14.920 +I have not I'm going there right now thank you + +16:14.920 --> 16:18.720 +somebody points out some things are better done outside of e-max I have built something + +16:18.720 --> 16:33.760 +similar at by star dot net you see www dot by hyphen star dot net okay let's go see it + +16:33.760 --> 16:38.200 +this is interesting thank you I will definitely take a look yeah so I can say I'm kind of + +16:38.200 --> 16:42.840 +on the cusp of saying okay this has been a fun experiment now I need to go code it up + +16:42.840 --> 16:51.040 +outside of e-max I like the fact that you know the discussion we were having the question + +16:51.040 --> 16:56.600 +about you know am I doing too much in e-max is literally a question that could be asked + +16:56.600 --> 17:01.960 +to every single presenter at all the e-max conference other ads because you know the + +17:01.960 --> 17:05.400 +whole point of e-max golf is showing what type of stuff you can do in e-max and naturally + +17:05.400 --> 17:09.440 +the question is going to follow that is are you just doing too much with e-max and that's + +17:09.440 --> 17:15.080 +always great question to take and I think you did spend it late yeah it's the old joke + +17:15.080 --> 17:22.640 +right it's a good editor in an awesome operating system yes I will allow you to do the usual + +17:22.640 --> 17:30.680 +jokes about e-max I will not allow you to refer to our core enemy that's they who may + +17:30.680 --> 17:37.320 +not be named okay fair okay so Michael we do have about five minutes of questions left + +17:37.320 --> 17:42.000 +I think you've answered all the questions and I don't see anyone else with a microphone + +17:42.000 --> 17:52.520 +on in BBB so we might we might leave it at that if you're okay with this okay well thank + +17:52.520 --> 17:56.200 +you so much Michael for taking the time to not only do a presentation for us but also + +17:56.200 --> 18:03.560 +for answering the questions in here no thank you all like I say I always learn as much + +18:03.560 --> 18:09.560 +as I teach here so great thank you okay amazing all right and for the others I'll hold you + +18:09.560 --> 18:13.600 +hostage a little while longer Michael we will be adding into the next talk in about four + +18:13.600 --> 18:18.800 +minutes and 30 seconds so we'll put up some music and I'll you'll hear my voice again + +18:18.800 --> 18:27.640 +when we are supposed to go live again so see you in a bit everyone and see you Michael + +18:27.640 --> 18:38.680 +and we are all fair okay I have to dash see you Michael you are calling music on Jen + +18:38.680 --> 18:59.040 +can we put yes thank you + +18:59.040 --> 19:16.440 +we volume again now to the original level + +19:16.440 --> 19:41.840 +very good + +19:41.840 --> 19:56.440 +you know what + +19:56.440 --> 20:21.880 +what + +20:21.880 --> 20:38.120 +Alright, I'm talking now. Okay, the audio is good. See you guys, see you in about 2 minutes. + |