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+# Discussion
+
+## Notes
+
+-   <https://stallman.org/>
+-   <https://stallmansupport.org/> (regarding reports of attacks against
+    him)
+-   \"Free Software\": A similar point of view related to contributing
+    to gated web forums:
+    <https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/>
+-   \"Everything other than an Lispy language would be wrong for GNU
+    Emacs\" (paraphrased)
+-   RMS wants an update to \"An Introduction to Programming in Emacs
+    Lisp\" to cover changes to Emacs such as lexical binding.
+-   Names of packages should help you remember what this package does.
+    Omit pure word-plays. Stick to names that people will remember.
+-   RMS wants to edit formatted documents within Emacs using WYSIWYG
+    (like with LibreOffice)
+-   RMS wants to get back to the situation where browsers decided how a
+    web page is rendered. Less browser features that allow to control
+    the look by the web page providers.
+-   RMS doesn\'t want to use packages that are not actually part of
+    Emacs (e.g., Magit). RMS is using VC and not git.
+-   RMS: \"Happy hacking\"
+
+## Questions and answers
+
+-   Q: Pragmatically, how are people that buy into these ideals, and
+    especially those that build the software, meant to live/thrive,
+    short of renouncing many of the luxuries of modern life, as many
+    have been struggling to reconcile both it appears. Wouldn\'t it be
+    smarter and more productive longer-term to solve that problem too?
+    -   A: (answered on stream, will be copied later)
+-   Q: I have been admiring your work for free software for many years
+    now. I am a bit concerned about what will happen to the GNU project
+    when you retire (not soon, I hope!!). Have you planned how to manage
+    the GNU project in the long run?
+    -   A: (answering on stream, will be copied later)
+    -   RMS: haven\'t found a way yet. We\'ll have to try again.
+-   Q: In response to your aversion to JavaScript support in Emacs: In
+    the same way that to revolt against the nonfree spirit in software
+    development one has to develop software, and that to fight nonfree
+    compilers one has to write a free compiler - can you fairly consider
+    rejection of JavaScript as a tool conducive to improving the state
+    of free JavaScript? A server can send back any MIME type to execute
+    on your machine, JS was just the most convenient.
+    -   A: The issue is different in kind. We already have free JS
+        support.  Free browsers contain it.  The issue is the programs
+        that are going to run. If JS would allow you to inspect the code
+        before runing it, it wouldn\'t be problematic. The problem is
+        that they end up in your browser and the user has no idea
+        what\'s happening.  Websites are mistreating users. The
+        important thing about it is the danger it creates. 
+-   Q: With all the recent additions and optimizations to Emacs Lisp
+    (lexical scoping, native compilation etc.) would you deem Emacs Lisp
+    suitable for general purpose programming outside Emacs (i.e.
+    scripting, running web servers). If not, why?
+    -   A: Nothing wrong with this in principle, but it would be a
+        distraction. I\'d rather we didn\'t do it. If we had 1K
+        programmers ready to do this and every other thing, no problem.
+        We don\'t. There are many other platforms that can accommodate
+        programs. I\'d rather use emacs to do its work and leaving other
+        languages to theirs. 
+-   Q: Would a namespace system similar to Common Lisp packages but
+    without :USE work in Emacs? Modern CL implementations have package
+    local nicknames to create package local prefixes.
+    -   A: Basically, yes, but it has issues. \[rest will be copied from
+        stream later\...\] A naming convention would be much simpler to
+        get right.
+-   Q: With Emacs 29 adding more (awesome) features into vanilla emacs,
+    how should we ensure vanilla emacs does not get bloated with many
+    similar features? (example : ido/icomplete, vc/magit)
+    -   A:To some extent we can\'t, because users do things differently.
+        I have never used Magit because I didn\'t want to use anything
+        not part of Emacs. I was unable to get into contact with the
+        Magit developer regarding integration of it within Emacs. I do
+        not use git as my main vc system. I think when packages have
+        very different approaches about how to handle things (like vc
+        versus magit) their approaches are not redundant.
+-   Q: What do you have in mind for more modular Emacs development?
+    -   A: There is no specific feature, but a way of thinking about
+        modularity when you write each package because you\'ll find that
+        when interacting with other packages you\'ll identify hooks that
+        may be there or may be missing. You could add a fairly general
+        hook so that instead of a rigid connection to other parts of
+        emacs you could use a general purpose hook that could do a lot
+        of things including the thing you need it to do.
+-   Q: Could you give a few examples of the medium-sized jobs necessary
+    for WYSIWYG-editor support in Emacs?
+    -   A: I can\'t really, but I would appreciate it if people started
+        putting that together. If you look at LIbreOffice then you could
+        choose a subset of very important ones that will give everyone a
+        start. 
+-   Q:Is there an up-do-date document where people can see what is and
+    isn\'t on the roadmap, and why? i.e. a live version of talks like
+    this or email threads on emacs-devel?
+    -   A: Not that I\'m aware of.
+    -   etc/TODO
+-   Q: Should GNU (or someone else) define a safe-subset of HTML/CSS/JS
+    to make web browsers simpler and safer (e.g. by preventing JS from
+    contacting servers)?
+    -   A: This would be an interesting thing to explore, but I don\'t
+        know if it can be done. Browser profiling is facilitated by
+        javascript. So, there is a collection of benchmarks and results
+        are different. So it allows the browser to gain information
+        without employing cookies. 
+-   Q: How can we ensure the continuity of an understanding of the more
+    arcane parts of the \[Emacs\] source code, and increase their
+    evolvability, notably with regards to display, single-threading
+    limitations, etc.?
+    -   A:  Single threading is a very specific thing. The furthest that
+        I\'ve bothered to think about it is to enable multiple LISP
+        programs to run in parallel. My machine doesn\'t allow me to run
+        multiple threads in a single program, so it never mattered to
+        me. Basically, dev of the displaycode without threads is more
+        feasible. However, changes in the buffer data structure would be
+        required and that will be the hard part. Representing a buffer
+        with a certain display needs to be worked out first. You have to
+        decide the data structure thinking about how display can handle
+        it efficiently. Think about that at that stage. The editing and
+        data structure is the part to figure out.
+-   Q: Do you recommend reaching out in \[high\] schools for volunteers
+    instead of universities because they are more prone to value the
+    objectives of freedom?
+-   Do you recommend reaching out in schools for volunteers for both
+    advocacy and for development instead of unversities because they are
+    more prone to value the objectives of freedom?
+    -   A: Reaching out for what? To teach about freedom or to find more
+        developers? Can you elaborate? **Questioner**:  
+    -   A: my entrypoint in school was LaTex. 
+-   Q: There was an effort called guile-emacs a while back, and there
+    was some effort to get guile to be able to compile and run
+    emacs-lisp, you mentioned there were still some challenges related
+    to guile, what road blocks kept some of these other efforts from
+    being used with Emacs?
+    -   A: We never finished the problem of reconciling guile-emacs data
+        types with Emacs Lisp data types (such as handling nil/\#f/()
+        interoperation \[and string/buffer handling\]).
+-   Q: Are there any problems or disadvantages using the GNU AGPL for
+    non-networked software like Emacs packages?
+    -   A: I figured the community would be happier if the radical
+        change did not happen in the license itself. 
+-   Q: Is there a list of Emacs issues which can be solved by
+    programmers with different levels? For example my level is A, I know
+    basic elisp and C. How can i help?
+    -   A: I don\'t know of one. I tend to think that people who know
+        only a basic knowledge. Looking at bugs and thinking about how
+        they could debug them, you could alert the developers. In the
+        process you\'ll learn more about how programs are written and
+        how to understand them. 
+-   Q: What do you use emacs for beyond editing? Nice song :-)
+    -   A: I use it for reading and writing email; this is what I do
+        most of the day.  (**Sings**) 
+    -   \"I\'ve been answering my email,
+    -   all the god-damned day / .. / \<transcriber lost the thread
+        about here \[lyrics available at
+        <https://stallman.org/doggerel.html#IveBeenAnsweringMyEmail>\]
+-   Q:With features like org-mode and enriched-mode, it seems like Emacs
+    is getting closer to the goal of WSIWYG. Are there specific ways in
+    which you see these as falling short?
+-   Q: Do you use Org/Org-mode, and if so to what extent?
+    -   A: No. Originally, it was an outlining mode that I never tried
+        to use. The documentation was not easy for  nme to grasp because
+        I had no use for it. Then others developed other ways to use the
+        org syntax. I was not interested in using the org syntax. The
+        process was daunting. It was not easy to separate other modules
+        used with org mode. Org mode could become an advance\-- not
+        saying that it isn\'t useful\-- if extended to do it, we could
+        use a replacement for texinfo. Texinfo\'s syntax was arcane and
+        was based on TeX. It could become a better way to write GNU
+        manuals. Probably more people know that syntax and if it could
+        be extended then it could be a superior way to write the
+        manuals. But we need to be able to generate all of the outputs
+        that we can generate now. HTML, info files, info browsers like
+        the one inside emacs, and generating input to TeX. This is not a
+        gigantic job. It is two or three medium-sized jobs.  
+-   Q:Emacs is used by a small population relative to the population
+    that could benefit from it.  Do you have any thoughts on how to
+    expand the user base more broadly even among software developers?
+    -   A: No. Basically, the fact is that vscode has an advantage\--
+        which comes from Microsoft, which is putting it together as a
+        part of evil proprietary software\... Users don\'t understand
+        that issue. I wish I could come up with a way to show them
+        what\'s at stake and why.  The TEDX talk is the closest thing. 
+-   Q: It's hard to pick up Emacs if you do not speak English, can
+    something be done to address that?
+    -   A: What do you actually suggest? Manuals? Messages that Emacs
+        displays? Command names? The easiest thing would be to deal wiht
+        the messages. It\'s hard to adapt it to Emacs because there is
+        no fixed set of messages. It could be done. It\'s not a terribly
+        hard process. Maybe differrent command names or an alternative
+        to meta-x. If you typed this other thing, it would only complete
+        over the other names in the native language. Working out the
+        details would take a great deal of thought. Docstrings: you
+        could write another set of them and write a set of help
+        commands. 
+-   Q: What was the thought process behind making emacs lisp dynamically
+    scoped when you first created it? What advantages did it provide
+    over the alternative?
+    -   A: It was simple. I did know how to implement it to build a
+        simple and small Lisp interpreter and being small was crucial to
+        bootstrap it on the hardware of that time. Things have changed
+        though, these days Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping is an
+        obsolete statement
+-   Q: In light of that critique of JavaScript not being about the
+    language per se but rather the \"culture of blindly getting and
+    running packages/libraries\", what\'s so different with what\'s
+    currently done by the vast majority of Emacs/Elisp users to just
+    install packages blindly?
+    -   A: Well, they know they\'re installing a package and that makes
+        all the difference. People could post various versions of a
+        package that people can look at and identify which to use or
+        whether one of them has horrible bugs. With JS there is no way
+        to do this, and most of these programs are not free. You don\'t
+        know which programs are being installed on your browser. These
+        things don\'t happen with elisp packages \-- at least not when
+        they\'re in reputable package archives. 
+-   Q: Do you think the freedom e.g., we have in Emacs, becomes a hurdle
+    for some people to pursue more important things in the world? I used
+    to do a lot of Emacs programming, but I recently try to stay away
+    from tinkering on Emacs.
+    -   A: There may be more important things for you to do, but when
+        you look at all of the other distractions in the world it seems
+        unfair to criticize emacs. Look at video games which achieve
+        nothing but distraction. If you tinker with emacs code there is
+        a chance for you to discover something more important than how
+        to win a video game.
+        -   Reply to Anwser: Sorry about the question. I do not intend
+            to criticize Emacs. It is more like a reflection on this
+            issue. The easiblity of jumping from anywhere in Emacs to
+            the source code, to the add-on packages, to the rich
+            documentation, to previous notes I have, becomes a strong
+            pulling force for me to do more important things. I often
+            found myself stay late in nights, and unable to have a good
+            sleep. Emacs gives me tremendous amount of freedom, I
+            definitely apprecitate it. On the other hand, I hate to stay
+            in non-free software, so I elimintate every possibility to
+            interact with them. This seems to be more effective to get
+            work done, since I only do the most important things, let it
+            go, and never thinking about the software. Don\'t get me
+            wrong, I agree with your point of view that the most
+            important thing GNU Emacs gives to the world is the freedom.
+            I  will do my part. 
+-   Q: Do you still intend to merge your patch to the \"shorthands\"
+    feature to the master branch?
+    -   A: Yes, but some work on the docstrings is blocking it. s.el
+        references other s.el functions in its docstrings and we\'ll
+        want to alter the docstrings, too. A new docstring construct
+        could fix that. We\'ve added a lot alrady, one more would be
+        fine.
+-   Q: Question about software freedom: how does it apply to software
+    that are art/media experiences, like videogames? In your view, Is
+    the creator of a videogame obliged to release it under a free
+    license?
+    -   A: 
+-   Q: And how would technologies like webassembly fit in with the
+    javascript issues?
+    -   A: They don\'t change much. If the licensing situation is
+        handled the same way as with regular JS using LibreJS-recognized
+        license notices and complies with its license \[like, by
+        providing its sources\], it would be fine.
+-   Q: Have you seen Haketilo <https://haketilo.koszko.org/> It looks
+    kinda like librejs?
+    -   A: Haketilo is design to allow people to get some of the benefit
+        of free software. Potentially it offers a solution to the
+        javascript problem, but it has a long way to go. If you want to
+        do this, please do so. 
+-   Q: Is writing a free software replacement to Github Copilot with
+    proper license attribution a good idea? (like Mozilla Common Voice)
+    -   A: Maybe but remember that copilot is not a program, it is a
+        service. It is a computation that someone else will do for you
+        when you ask. What are the practical problems with doing that?
+        Not sure. Of course the server operates by running programs, but
+        there is still a difference. People who use copilot don\'t get
+        any kind of copy of the program. They send it to the server. It
+        might be a good idea. 
+-   Q: Do you have any suggestions for helping propective contributers
+    streamline the copyright assignment needed to contribute to Emacs
+    (and other FSF software projects)?  If working for a large
+    corporation, simply navigating the internal beaucracy to find the
+    correct person/people to talk to who even understands what you\'re
+    talking about without a \"deer in the headlights look\" can be very
+    difficult.  This problem of gaining copyright assignment seems to be
+    a signifcant problem and ultimately splits people into two different
+    classifications, those who can contribute directly to FSF projects
+    (willing and able) and those who can\'t (willing but unable).
+    -   A: The copyright assignment does not take long. The important
+        thing is the employer disclaimer. If your job entails
+        programming, we want to make sure that your employer does not
+        say, \"you\'ve got no right to contribute that program\" and the
+        project is shafted. We are working on some simplifications to
+        make it easier for companies to say yes to it, but fundamentally
+        we need them to say yes. 
+-   Q: What do you think of Hyperbole or EEV instead of org mode, or
+    other things for the stuff that org mode does \"second brain /
+    knowledge base\", or GTD \'getting things done\' etc\... among other
+    things in Emacs or other Emacs packages
+    -   A: Well, I don\'t know that much about either of them. I don\'t
+        know EEV. I know Hyperbole, but it was many years ago. So I
+        can\'t have an educated opinion. Someone could study this, and
+        there would be a lot to study. If these are fairly similar\-- is
+        either actually part of emacs? A: \[Both are free software. \] 
+    -   A: We might want to compare them to determine which is the best
+        possible add to emacs, but since I don\'t have specifics, I
+        don\'t want to state a priority preference. I don\'t have one. 
+-   Q: I thought it was a virtue to separate the content from the style
+    or appearance of information. Part of being free is also to view
+    information in the format that you want. Does your WYSIWYG idea
+    erode this virtue and lead to more thinking \-- perhaps undue
+    thinking about style over substance?  {seems like more freedom for
+    authors and less freedom for readers} (No the question is more about
+    the experience of creation.)
+    -   A: I don\'t know actually. I know that in LibreOffice you can
+        make named styles, and you can change styles\... Is that enough?
+        I am hardly a power user. 
+-   Q: Do you ever dabble in retro-computing, e.g. logging into
+    TOPS10/20 systems SDF, etc?  
+    -   A: No, I decided it\'s a waste of time. It\'s tinkering that
+        would not develop anything of any importance or use. And I know
+        if I\'m going to enjoy developing something\... I could enjoy
+        developing anything\... I decided not to distract my attention
+        from useful computing. 
+-   Q: Do you know Gemini <https://gemini.circumlunar.space/> ? (a
+    network of very simplified Markdown-like text files without images
+    and third-party content transmitted via an open/public/free protocol
+    which is not http(s)) If so, what do you think of it? (I\'m dreaming
+    of a Gemini-web with interlinked Org mode syntax files)
+    -   A: I don\'t remember and have no opinion. The lack of images
+        will turn out to be a considerable drawback. The exclusion of
+        images would be a big loss. 
+-   Q: What is your opinion on the current state of large machine
+    learning/AI models? Even if the model is released under a free
+    license, it cannot be modified in a meaningful way without access to
+    vast quantities of training data, which isn\'t free. Even if it\'s
+    available, using the data requires datacenter-levels of computing
+    resources out of the reach of most users.
+    -   A: I don\'t think that\'s true. You can modify it. You don\'t
+        need the previously used training data. The trained neural
+        network can be treated as source code. What else could it be? 
+-   Q: Are there plans to bring modal editing (eg. evil-mode, viper) to
+    emacs core and did your opinion on modal editing change over the
+    years?
+    -   A: I don\'t have a wish for that. Now it\'s not somehow morally
+        anathema. It\'s not a non-free program. How to incorporate this
+        into existing Emacs without doing any violence to its code is
+        the question. 
+-   Q: Can complexity induced by company-funded free/libre code become a
+    problem, when the company pulls out, leaving the code potentially
+    unmaintainable?
+    -   A: It's a matter of community, the same applies for software
+        developed by single individuals. Over-complicated programs
+        suffer more.
+-   Q:  Hi Richard, do you know about \[GNU
+    TeXmacs\](<https://texmacs.org>)? If so, why doesn\'t it fit your
+    idea of a way to write rich documents with emacs-like keyboard-based
+    interfaces? (referring to \"something like layout capabilities of
+    TeX and the editing capabilities of Emacs).
+    -   A: 
+-   Comment: If you\'ve heard about attacks that others have been making
+    on me I refer you to stallmansupport.org.
+    <https://stallmansupport.org/>
+
 
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