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 # Ongoing projects
 
+-   Tech
+    -   Figuring out a better streaming workflow (speakers & OBS)
+    -   Review whether we need FH’s BBB instance: mplsCorwin & bandali
+    -   CDN with Nate Saltes: mplsCorwin, bandali
+
 -   Subtitles/transcripts: sachac, bhavin192
--   FOSSHost: mplsCorwin
 -   Calendar, connecting with meetups: sachac
 -   Streaming infrastructure for meetups?: bandali, sachac
+    -   set of methods for clipping, publishing, etc.
+
 -   Amin and Gopar's podcast: bandali, gopar
--   mplsCorwin's livestreaming project, working on trimming
 -   Writing about Emacs: zaeph
+-   mplsCorwin's livestreaming project, working on trimming
+-   Diversity outreach: gopar, sachac, zaeph
+-   Finding a parallel monthly day for EmacsConf prep meetings
+    -   Write-up for streaming with FLOSS
+-   Mediation project between MELPA and org-mode’s core: zaeph
+
+
+# March 5, 2021 meeting
+
+-   Agenda
+    -   BBB
+        -   Follow-up from Emacs-SF session on <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">&lt;2021-03-05 Fri&gt;</span></span>
+        -   Do we need to give moderators rights to orgas?
+    -   Podcast
+        -   Update on intro song
+            -   Ping shoshin, and define a loose schedule
+            -   bandali will go listen to things
+        -   Creating a list of people to invite to the show
+            -   Qiantan (crdt)
+            -   Protesilaos Stavrou
+            -   John Wiegley
+            -   Bastien Guerry
+            -   Adam Porter (alphapapa) - package maintainers group?
+            -   Jonas Bernoulli (tarsius)
+            -   FSF people? Zoe? Greg? rwp?
+            -   Drew Adams (@oracle.com, probably)
+        
+        -   gopar sent things to re-record
+    -   Usergroups
+        -   zaeph: Report on M-x Research
+            -   Paths of collaboration between M-x Research and ERG
+        -   zaeph: Report on Emacs-SF
+            -   FOSSHost BBB worked out well for them
+            -   discussed federation of communities
+            -   ag
+            -   people are interested in publishing stuff
+                -   make it easier to get clips out?
+                -   highlight clips webm
+                -   handle text/timing information (ex: oops at 7:05, or clip from 2:00 to 10:00)
+            -   zaeph: TODO: Work with orgas for Emacs-SF
+                -   They're the next public meetup and are hyped about the idea, so zaeph will coordinate re: being okay with making the presentation public and clipping it out to publish for them
+                -   Keep track of start/end time and any oops times
+        -   zaeph: Report on Emacs Paris
+    -   zaeph’s crowdfunding
+        -   packages and core
+-   Updates:
+    -   bandali: talk accepted for LibrePlanet 2021, congrats! Jami and how it empowers users.
+        -   Please ask them how they're streaming captions so that we can borrow the ideas for EmacsConf (they were looking for volunteers at <https://groups.google.com/g/ploversteno/c/TWEx31PasrE>). Also, if they edit subtitles, subed.el might be useful for them.
+    -   sachac: more Emacs tweaking
+    -   figure out workflow for splitting things out of meetup recordings
+    -   mplsCorwin: still kind of out of it, get well soon!
+        -   New domain: literatecloud. FOSSHost building new partnerships. 00:06:03-00:09:15 more secret part. Try to nudge towards LibreJS?
+-   Next steps:
+    -   Sacha will work on Emacs calendar publishing workflow
+    -   New CNAME - maybe bbb.emacsverse.org     (meet.emacsverse.org?)
+        -   ‘Let’s just do it and figure out what we have to do with FH/BBB to get it working.’
+    -   Investigate enabling LibreJS for FH’s BBB
+    -   zaeph: Grep ‘TODO’
+
+
+# February 27, 2021 meeting
+
+-   Agenda
+    -   Check-in
+    
+    -   Follow-ups from last week
+        -   Podcast update
+            -   bandali said he might have a version of the podcast that we could review
+                -   bandali is almost done with editing the first episode
+                    -   Some re-recording might be warranted for the start and the end
+                    -   He’s aiming for a preview version by <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-28 Sun]</span></span>
+                -   The editing workflow has been figured out, and gopar might be able to handle the editing for episode 2
+                -   Release plan
+                    -   Order
+                        -   1: EmacsConf
+                        -   2: Maxima with Fermin
+                        -   3: ERC
+                    -   Tentative agenda
+                        -   <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-28 Sun] </span></span> 1st episode for us to review (no pressure!)
+                    -   Tentative schedule
+                        -   Tue or Wed if we’re not worried about the intro music
+                -   We do not have an intro song yet
+                    -   In January, bandali talked with shoshin in the #emsig channel for commissioning an intro, but shoshin didn’t have much time to work on this because of work
+                        -   TODO Maybe we could try pinging him again?
+                    -   Could we put out a call for people to submit their intro?
+                        -   Reddit
+                            -   No news segment for the two first one
+                -   We still don’t have an intro song
+                    -   TODO Find an intro song
+            
+            -   Future topics
+                -   bandali & gopar: They could invite zaeph to talk about the crowdfunding or any related projects
+                -   So far, no proper agenda for the guests, but something that we might figure out in the coming weeks
+                    -   TODO Try to come up with a list of people to get on the show
+                -   EmacsConf’s FLOSS streaming facility
+    
+    -   bandali updates
+        -   In March, bandali might have more time on his hands, and he might have time to prepare his presentation for LibrePlanet
+            -   (date of the talk: <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-20 Sat]</span></span>, deadline for submitting the slides: <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-08 Mon]</span></span>)
+        
+        -   Nice progress on Jami, and Amin might be done within 2 weeks
+        
+        -   bandali is planning to have some time to invest into writing the guide on streaming with FLOSS
+            -   Some progress has been made, but it’s been mostly ad-hoc with the people who asked
+            -   Tentative date for a rough draft: <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-27 Sat]</span></span>
+            -   Tentative date for a release: mid-April (but again, no pressure! ಠ\_ಠ)
+    
+    -   Negative feedback on the quality of one of the recordings
+        -   [EmacsConf 2020 - 12 - One Big-ass Org File or multiple tiny ones? - Leo Vivier - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1qwAjleGk)
+        -   The stream resolution is 720p with an external monitor to avoid rescaling the video
+        -   One of the bottlenecks with the previous EmacsConf was the rescaling
+            -   Setup: Laptop 720p + Streaming to 1080p
+        -   This year, it looked nicer
+        -   bandali does not think he’s got enough computing power to handle 1080p
+            -   2 days of 1080p streaming might be too much for bandali’s unit (understandably)
+        -   Questions
+            -   Do we agree that the quality was sub-par, for this talk or for others as well?
+                -   bandali: Probably ‘yes’, and we knew it going into it; this is one of the reasons why we encouraged pre-recordings
+                    -   The pre-recordings had good quality (streamed at 720p, but published at the native resolution, which was up to 2k)
+                    -   It was very readable, and there wasn’t a time when bandali couldn’t read what was on the screen
+                    -   The shared video with BBB sometimes was subpar
+                -   The problem
+        -   Ways to solve the problem
+            -   Composing the window maximally with OBS
+            -   mplsCorwin: Using OBS and asking the speakers to stream to a URL that we’d provide to them; it’s EZPZ.
+                -   Corwin has had real success with OBS, so that all his kids can have OBS running, and Corwin can bounce them via nginx
+            -   TODO Let’s figure out an OBS-based workflow for webcam/screen feeds
+            -   Having multiple tracks for speakers
+                -   Offline talks
+                    -   Pre-recs
+                -   Live talks
+                    -   Easy
+                        -   BBB
+                    -   Intermediate
+                        -   OBS & streaming to address
+    
+    -   FH’s BBB sitrep
+        -   zaeph: No news from EmacsSF, so I’ll assume it’s next week; which also means that we’ve got no data
+        -   At least
+    
+    -   CDN for the videos
+        -   We got an offer for EU-based hosting (France & Germany)
+            -   yang@freenode
+            -   This would help us address the slow DL for EU viewers
+            -   bandali is investigating FLOSS CDN options
+            -   mplsCorwin: Definitely an offer we should take them up on
+        -   Can we deploy a FLOSS CDN to handle those different servers?
+            -   FH has a partnership with PacketFrame
+                -   FLOSS CDN app, developed by Nate Sales; Corwin did some work with them on an org-inspired, lambda-based workflow; PoC underway
+            -   CDN for video content is a bit of a weird usecase
+                -   Optimisation is definitely done within routing-layer: ‘IP address, and network addresses which are specifically create subnets for delivery; beyond that, it’s just the usual caching thing’
+            -   Could we get Nate Sales on board to help us with this topic?
+                -   Let’s try to do it on the <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-13 Sat]</span></span>, or any time during the following week
+                -   mplsCorwin is sending them a note and will keep us in touch
+    
+    -   zaeph: EmacsBerlin update
+        -   They might be interested in a BBB instance
+        -   Michael Albinus (maint of TRAMP) is interested in working with me on advanced optimisation (for org-roam and org-mode)
+    
+    -   Mailing list
+        -   bandali will ping bhavin192 for which email they want
+            -   He didn’t have the time to do it yet; the TZ aren’t nice.
+        -   Any other news?
+    
+    -   ERG update
+        -   Today, weare meeting with Mark Dawson from `M-x Research`
+    
+    -   zaeph’s crowfunding
+        -   sitrep
+        -   Discussion
+            -   On funding for the dev of Emacs’s core
+                -   RMS might have made a comment that financing Emacs should be done with FLOSS tools (e.g. non-free JS)
+                -   [Liberapay](https://en.liberapay.com/) might be a solution
+            -   mplsCorwin: ‘The fact that we have multiple string-manipulation librairies is a sign of sickness in the community’
+                -   Related to Perl and CPAN
+    
+    -   FSF sponsorship
+        -   zaeph: No update
+
+
+# February 20, 2021 meeting
+
+-   Discuss distribution of meetings / podcasts
+    -   For grabbing BBB’s recordings
+        -   With Firefox
+        -   [Video DownloadHelper – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/)
+        -   Download the two feeds (one for presentation, and one for all the webcams)
+-   Updates
+    -   gopar: been busy
+    -   bandali: busy at work too
+    -   sachac: experimenting with captions (can do mic+browser audio now), gstreamer->OBS
+-   Podcast with bandali and gopar
+    -   Last week, they’ve interviewed Fermin on his experience with Maxima
+    -   Name
+        -   EmacsNow (how did we not think of this before?)
+            -   bandali got the idea  BSDNow
+            -   Maybe prepending the name with `M-x`?
+                -   bandali wanted something very short and
+                -   He also wanted to use a theme for the podcast’s website which would be based on Emacs
+                -   As a stretch-goal, we could merge a \`emacs-now\` command into core to open the podcast
+                    -   If elfeed (or any other RSS, maybe GNUS?) could be merged into Emacs, the command could bring you to the feed for the podcast
+            -   Everyone seems to agree that EmacsNow is a good, short name, and that we should go with it
+    -   Format?
+        -   This one was a lengthy podcast: more than 1h30, but it was very interesting
+        -   gopar and Fermin bonded over chess, which was fun!
+    -   bandali and gopar would be interested in extending the podcast to other topics beyond Emacs
+        -   Would that be a good idea?
+
+-   M-x Research
+    -   ERG is not the only group working on research within Emacs: there is also \`M-x Research\`
+
+-   ERG’s last meeting: Intervieww with Peeragogy
+    -   It went well, and I’m too tired to re-write what I’ve said during the meeting (sorry!)
+
+-   Need volunteers to publish to certain popular platforms (i.e. itunes)
+    -   bandali and gopar have some experience with it, and mplsCorwin was willing to help as well
+
+-   Leo: FSF sponsorship
+    -   Table it for now; Leo hasn’t had time to work on it this week.
+
+-   Leo: Kickstarter for org-mode core mediation
+    -   Mentioned the project of mediating the org-mode MELPA ecosystem and the core of Emacs
+    -   bandali thinks it’s interesting to think about the whole packagers within Emacs (including MELPA)
+        -   Before, it used to be just ELPA; but then, MELPA came along, but because of its raison d’être, it was never implemented into the core of Emacs
+        -   Non-GNU ELPA doesn’t require CLA; the mediation project might be a nice way to bridge the gap between those communities
+            -   Might help with discoverability
+    -   Surveying the field (and the people) to see which package would
+    -   Ecosystem of org-mode packages
+    -   Questions from bandali
+        -   How would this project work within the new doctrine for org-mode (i.e. fragmentation of maintenance in a federated way)?
+        -   Folding org-mode development back into the Emacs repository?
+            -   ‘Emacs’s core is where packages go to die’ (Leo; please don’t quote him on this in unauthorised spaces)
+        -   Could we get bzg involved in the discussion?
+            -   Not right now; Leo needs to finish his contract before he starts diverting himself towards greener fields.
+    -   Financial aspect
+        -   Leo thinks it’d be **very** complicated to reach th number that Jonas (tarsius) reached with magit; however, it would be possible to get a project going with only a fraction of that
+
+> 17k EUR for 6 month of work
+> 2100 EUR/monthly (compared to the 1500 EUR / 1800 USD I was making as a professor)
+> 25% goes to social security in France, up to 10% goes to taxes
+> I’m aiming to release this on March 15 or on April 1st (depending on how many people I need to reach out to)
+> There would be also a stretch-goal of doing this for a eyar if I get 34k
+
+-   EmacsSF & BBB
+    -   Could we test-run FH’s BBB instance rather than the FSF’s?
+        -   In theory, it’s doable, and it’s why it was given to us for
+        -   We’re going to test-drive it, and we’ll report how it went (zaeph & maybe sachac?)
+
+-   Next time
+    -   bandali might have a version of the podcast that we could review
+        -   One of the episodes
+            -   1: EmacsConf: how it went generally (not the actual title)
+            -   2: ERG
+            -   3: Maxima with Fermin
+            -   The order is still unclear, but the three episodes are recorded
+    -   bandali is planning to have some time to ivnest into writing the guide on streaming with FLOSS (but **no pressure**!! ಠ\_ಠ)
+    -   Tentative agenda
+        -   zaeph: Kickstarter for MELPA/core org-mode
+            -   Especially to get sachac’s opinion
+        -   Podcast update
+        -   FH review based on EmacsSF
+        -   Mailing list
+            -   bandali will ping bhavin192 for which email they want
+
+
+# February 13, 2021 meeting
+
+-   Homework from previous meeting:
+    -   For everyone:
+        -   Think about ways to organize and flesh out the [Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity) page.
+            -   How do we give it better structure?
+    -   Leo: Work on the FSF thing (for <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-15 Mon]</span></span>)
+    -   Sacha: Figure out toggling mute from Emacs and add it to my modeline, since my computer LED doesn't work =)
+    -   Sacha: Edit more subtitles
+    -   Future points
+        -   bandali & mplsCorwin: Gauge whether we can/need to use FH’s BBB.
+            -   …For our own meetings/workshops?
+            -   …For the next EmacsConf?
+        -   Maybe we should figure out a streaming server that can accept RTMP, so meetups on Jitsi can stream
+-   mplsCorwin showed OBS multicast plugin
+-   bandali is looking into RTMP ingest
+-   Updates:
+    -   bandali: busy at work
+    -   mplsCorwin: work
+    -   sachac: more subed tweaks (can now cut video based on subtitles, hide non-text stuff with overlays =) ); EmacsSF meetup, ERC automation with run-at-time, Twitter is being annoying about adding incorrect cards)
+    -   zaeph: meetup guests, package maintenance, fundraising
+-   Interest in live captions, Sacha is looking into it
+    -   Hmm, maybe hooked into crdt so that people can volunteer, and then the moderator can send the caption out to the streaming service
+    -   Need to figure out how to get the subtitles out (OBS can send captions to Twitch, I think, so it's probably possible to do something similar&#x2026; Icecast?)
+
+-   Sacha’s tweets for meetups
+    -   Making the format nicer? It’s difficult to know which timezones to include in the tweets: which ones should we keep?
+        -   Suggestions welcome!
+            -   Adapting based on the language of the event (Paris → GMT+2, maybe neighbouring countries, etc.)
+-   BBB: FSF vs. FH?
+    -   Let’s postpone the decision for now; that’ll give us time to check with people (i.e. in the workshops) if they want to make use of it.
+    -   Use FH hosted infrastructure for "federation" (e.g. offering to other groups)
+    -   Use FSF for email, use FSF for EmacsConf BBB
+-   ERG: Report on meeting with Qiantan (crdt.el’s maint)
+    -   Lots of good news, and Qiantan
+    -   bandali: ‘Once most of the important issues have been taken care of, he should probably contact Emacs dev’
+-   EmacsSF report
+    -   They’re interested in our effort to federate the different workshops.
+    -   They’re having another session in 3 weeks (<span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-26 Fri]</span></span>)
+        -   Main topic: Follow-up on the completion systems
+    -   They’re interested in getting access to a BBB instance
+        -   We’ll use the opportunity to stress-test FH’s instance
+        -   We’ll also have a Jitsi room ready as a backup
+-   ERG: Meeting people from Peeragogy today
+    -   Bridging the gap between curious academics who are working on collaborative e-Research.
+-   Amin’s follow-up on Mailman
+    -   Almost ready to go for emacsconf/emacsverse mailman lists
+    -   TODOs:
+        -   Non-list emails
+        -   Listhelper for anti-spam
+    -   Corwin’s idea: Vanity email addresses @emacsverse.org?
+
+Next actions:
+
+-   Discuss distribution of meetings / podcasts
+-   Need volunteers to publish to certain popular platforms (i.e. itunes)
+-   Leo: FSF sponsorship
+
+
+# February 6, 2021 meeting
+
+-   Checking in with everyone
+    -   bandali: Crunch at work with the latest release of Debian, Icecat release
+    -   zaeph: possible actual department for free software at his current work
+    -   mplsCorwin: vacation, extra week, yay PTO! Looking more into literate programming. (Grant Rettke recently shared how he uses untangling to make it easier for people to edit the resulting source code files)
+    -   sachac: 
+        -   Emacs calendar can now handle recurring events
+            -   Now done with a Python script instead of an old Ruby script
+            -   Some people are starting to use it!
+                -   Especially for the meetups.
+        -   Started figuring out Twitch streaming
+            -   updated obs-websocket at <https://github.com/sachac/obs-websocket-el>, can easily switch scenes, start/stop recording, put a message up in a buffer, capture timestamped notes/markers into a WebVTT file
+                -   Sacha is curious about gstreamer; maybe if Amin got around to writing his gstreamer script, Sacha could get around to using it for Twitch?
+                -   Sacha is also working on a system for using Twitch’s API to send subtitles/descriptions
+            -   used mozart-dice-game NPM to generate a whole bunch of piano minuet MIDIs, yay generated music; used selectric-mode to add typing sounds
+            -   looked into OBS SendCaptions, but might not be able to easily get it to work under Linux; might consider other ways to send live captions and markers
+        -   Started sketching out EmacsDiversity page
+        -   Next up: test my hydra for editing subtitles,
+-   Points
+    -   Diversity
+        -   Iterating over [EmacsWiki : Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity)  (you might be thinking about EmacsChannelDemographics)
+    -   Podcast update?
+        -   shoshin update on the intro music?
+    -   Answer this question: ‘What kinds of talks do we generally want?’
+        -   Working off our configs; explaining parts of our config (mplsCorwin)
+        -   Inspiration, integrated workflow demos
+            -   Really cool programming demo
+            -   Really cool nonprogramming demo
+        -   The goal would be to get people to read other people’s code; something vaguely archeological: ‘if I could do this, even though it wasn’t great code, it did the job!’
+            -   A lot of people respond to those ‘programming but not’ / surface-programming approaches to code.
+        -   ERG reports on what we’re working on (zaeph)
+        -   Meta-workshops on how they’re organised/run, what goes into it (zaeph)
+        -   Writing modes / releasing modes
+            -   How do we go from some intricate code inside a personal config to a package releasable to the public?
+        -   Hacking on Emacs C core (bandali)
+            -   Some of the more involved modification of Emacs will need to be done in the C core.
+    -   Maybe we could consider inviting Stéfan Monnier?
+        -   Native compilation, maybe dynamic modules?
+    
+    -   Amin: Check how much time it would take to deploy Mailman for the workshops.
+        -   Are we trading low up-front effort (asking maintainers to create a mailing list) for high ongoing effort (keeping our own mailing list system going)?
+        -   Amin talked to someone else who can help set this up, maybe even this weekend. Main domain? Maybe emacsverse?
+            -   Stack: Trisql, Exim, Mailman
+            -   Could it work with FOSSHost?
+                -   Since it’s geared to the end-users, and based on our relationship with them (via mplsCorwin), we might be able to ask them to host the server.
+                -   FOSSHost did set up a BBB for us; we should gauge whether we want/need to use it.
+                    -   Hmm&#x2026; mplsCorwin, would FOSSHost like to talk to the other Emacs meetups to see if they want to join up? I think it was EmacsNYC or EmacsATX that has been experimenting with self-hosting Jitsi, and EmacsBerlin self-hosts Jitsi. Could be later on.
+        -   Domain discussion
+            -   emacsverse
+                -   Mailing lists and co. would go on their
+        -   All in all:
+            -   We’re very close to having Mailman ready for the meetups/workshops.
+    -   FH & BBB: What **scope** do we want?
+        -   ‘Do we want Emacs NYC to get their own server, or do we want to manage a single, federated instance with user-account, self-management, etc.?’
+        -   We’d be in charge of most of the management of that instance, and we wouldn’t be piggy-backing on the FSF’s instance.
+        -   We'll figure out our own stuff first, maybe, and then we can get the other folks in
+    -   Improving the diversity page: [EmacsWiki : Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity)
+        -   Right now, the page only contains an alphabetised list of names
+
+rganising the names on that page in a more relevant fashion?
+
+-   Two sides of the question:
+    -   "I feel a little isolated. I don't know other Emacs users, and it seems you have to be a real computer geek in order to use Emacs. Are there people like me?"
+    -   ‘What are some different ways you can use Emacs, and what kinds of people use Emacs?
+        -   People might be unwilling to identify as marginalised groups: how do we resolve this?
+-   Diversity of usage: What is Emacs being used for?
+-   Diversity of people: By whom is Emacs being used?
+
+-   Homework:
+    -   For everyone:
+        -   Think about ways to organize and flesh out the [Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity) page.
+            -   How do we give it better structure?
+    -   Leo: Work on the FSF thing (for <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-15 Mon]</span></span>)
+    -   Sacha: Figure out toggling mute from Emacs and add it to my modeline, since my computer LED doesn't work =)
+    -   Sacha: Edit more subtitles
+    -   Future points
+        -   bandali & mplsCorwin: Gauge whether we can/need to use FH’s BBB.
+            -   …For our own meetings/workshops?
+            -   …For the next EmacsConf?
+        -   Maybe we should figure out a streaming server that can accept RTMP, so meetups on Jitsi can stream
 
 
 # January 28, 2021 meeting
@@ -138,12 +548,13 @@
         -   Homework
             -   Answer this question: ‘What kinds of talks do we generally want?’
             -   Amin: Check how much time it would take to deploy Mailman for the workshops.
-            -   Leo: Update bhavin on the mailing stuff to let him that we are currently looking into options
-            -   Leo: Sending a get-well-soon to David
+            -   [X] Leo: Update bhavin on the mailing stuff to let him know that we are currently looking into options.
+            -   [X] Leo: Sending a get-well-soon to David.
         
         -   How strongly do we want to ask for pre-recs?
             -   Definitely at least as much as this year.
             -   It’s also much easier for Amin to chill when we have pre-recs.
+            -   We need to incentives speakers by telling sending their pre-recs early, we can do some adjustments.
 
 
 # January 21, 2021 meeting