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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're live. So whoever's in the
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background might be able to see you live in
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about 10 seconds as soon as the stream
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catches up. Hi Jacob, how are you doing?
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[Speaker 0]: Got that? We're live. I'm doing well.
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How are you doing today?
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[Speaker 1]: I am doing well and this is the very last
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talk of the day so I'm very excited not
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because it finishes but because I am tired
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah very understandable.
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Well thanks for all of your hard work.
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We all really appreciate it and all the other
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organizers.
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[Speaker 1]: and need some sleep. Well on behalf of all
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the organizers thank you but you know it all
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it makes it all worthwhile when we see the
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valuable contribution that every single 1 of
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our speakers are making,
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not only for recording their talks,
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which is a tough demand on people to say,
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oh, if you want to go to EmacsConf,
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you might want to record your talk.
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But then almost all of you do it and you
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spend a lot of time with us answering
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questions. So we couldn't do it.
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You know, we wouldn't be spending as much
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energy, half as much energy,
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if we didn't believe that it was worth it.
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So now it's me thanking you on behalf of all
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the speakers.
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[Speaker 0]: Well thank you that's part of what I wanted
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to get across in my talk was that coming
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together and sharing ourselves and you know
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not just putting little little essays out
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there and single videos but coming together
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as a community you know sharing ourselves our
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faces our voices you know it really brings us
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together and makes everyone stronger.
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[Speaker 1]: Exactly, and I think it's been a recurring
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theme. Most of the talks we have at
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EmacsConf, they're usually about sharing,
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obviously, sharing the knowledge that they've
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acquired, either writing a package or
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learning how to use Emacs as a professor in
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academia or stuff like this.
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But what I particularly like this year about
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the different talks we've had is that they've
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really made the sharing even more obvious.
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We've had the mentoring this afternoon and we
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have your talk about using videos as a
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different medium to get into something.
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And I really think in terms of accessibility
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to Emacs, all of you who talked about this
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topic are doing a wonderful job.
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So, thank you again for all of this.
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[Speaker 0]: Thank you. Yeah, do we have any questions to
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be answering?
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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so only 1 for now and I'll invite
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people as usual to please add their question
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to the pad or to join us on BBB.
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Now the chat is open if you want to join us
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on BBB and ask your questions directly.
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And in the meantime, I will read the first
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question. So, Kroting,
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are you using OxReveal to make your slides?
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If not, what are you using?
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They look very elegant,
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and I concur.
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[Speaker 0]: That's true. I am using OxReveal.
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I have a whole entire video on it.
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So if you're interested,
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feel free to take a look.
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It's very simple to get started with.
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There are a lot of different packages to use
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Reveal.js and Emacs. OxReveal or OrgReveal
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seems to be pretty easy to use.
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So try that 1 out. Yeah,
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it's really nice.
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[Speaker 1]: Awesome. I'm going to give a little bit of
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time for the other people to finish writing
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their answer. In the meantime,
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I'll ask you 1 of my own.
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So you said you were in college,
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right? In com sci. Sorry,
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah.
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[Speaker 1]: computer science. I think it's great to find
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people in computer science who have,
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from the get-go, as soon as their bachelor,
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an appetite for sharing and vulgarizing a lot
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of knowledge. Because it feels like if you
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get started like this,
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you're gonna have a well over time as you
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progress with the learning.
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So I'm very excited to see what you do in the
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coming years because of this.
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[Speaker 0]: Thank you, thank you, yeah.
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And Emacs has been like very central to my
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education as well. It's a great way to sort
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of organize myself and also it's a good way
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to share with other people with Org Mode.
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I can export my code, I can export notes.
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It makes it so simple.
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My peers are also impressed by my PDF
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documents and whatever I can produce with
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[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah. If only they knew how much time it
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takes us to get LaTeX to behave properly.
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[Speaker 0]: Emacs. Right, right. I see some more
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questions coming in I can answer.
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[Speaker 1]: Sure, I'll read it for you so that it's a
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little more interactive.
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So, second question. Videos can be very
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inspirational to learn about something by
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watching it used. I often find it,
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I often find that I need to do some research
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after watching a video to learn more.
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Do you give people links to relevant
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resources or etc?
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah, that's something I could definitely do
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more of. When I make a video I try to combine
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all the relevant resources and make 1 sort of
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cohesive video. I like to think of my video
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as a jumping off point to the Emacs manuals
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because the manuals are so so full but you
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need to have a sort of a cursory
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understanding to get started with them.
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And then yeah, if there are other sort of
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GitHub links or something like that,
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I like to put those in the description.
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[Speaker 1]: Good question. Right. And I think it's arcing
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back also. I keep using the word arcing back.
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I'm sorry. It's my... Every EmacsConf I have
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1 word or 1 phrase that I keep saying over
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and over again and this 1 is not leaving but
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don't worry we only have about 1 more hour
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and then you're done with me arcing out,
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arcing back to stuff. I think this is
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reminding me of both the mentoring talk we've
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had today about onboarding people basically
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so that they can have a well of a time on
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their own on Emacs and I'd agree with you,
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you know, as much as we like to rave about
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Emacs as a self-documenting editor,
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about how complete the documentation is,
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As you've mentioned in your talk,
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it's not accessible directly to the people.
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We can yell as much as we want to people on
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IRC, you just need to RTFM or you just need
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to do Ctrl-H-V for the variable or Ctrl-H-F.
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What is a variable? I am not for computer
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science. What does it mean?
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It is really blocking a lot of people right
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from the get-go. And I think the element of
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interactivity, as you've mentioned in your
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talk, that is introduced by video just makes
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the hand-holding that much easier.
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And it's great to do it like this.
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All right, I think we've got another
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questions. What are your fellow codes of
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students using for their editors?
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What kinds of feedback do you get from them
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when they learn about you using Emacs?
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[Speaker 0]: That's a great question.
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I think professors want to make things,
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the entry as simple as possible.
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So for the first computer science course and
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the second, at least at Columbia,
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They use Codeo, which is 1 of those online
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whole IDEs. Now in the third course,
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which is sort of more the weed out as they
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call it, the professor gives you a choice and
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he says you can use Emacs or you can use Vim.
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And everyone uses Vim.
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Not a single person I know is using Emacs,
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simply because the professor's using Vim and
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that's what he shows on screen and that's
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just what everyone else falls into.
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And it's also, like, they're totally in the
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terminal, and that can be a big barrier of
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entry. So I think they see Emacs as like
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something like Vim, but it's not sort of the
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same idea. It's not what everyone uses
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because it's not what's being shown up on
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screen. So if you're not following,
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like if you're a new learner,
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if you're not following with Vim,
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you might have a little bit of a harder time
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in these classes because everyone else is
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also using Vim.
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[Speaker 1]: Right. And I'm kind of reminded again,
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it feels like this is the last talk,
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so I'm reminiscing of all the different talks
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we've had on the general chat,
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at least. And you know,
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it feels like we had, you know,
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this 1 talk, I can't remember the first name
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at the presentation, but it was about forcing
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people to use Emacs and not giving them the
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choice to do this. And I found it to be such
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a powerful move to do because usually people,
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maybe some classes are actually forcing Vim
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because it's a little more palatable I guess.
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Do you have something to say on this?
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah let me actually, I've remembered 1
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thing, I know there's another course,
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a fourth course you'd say in assembly and the
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professor suggests Emacs.
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However I know that's just 1 professor so I
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think broadly Vim is more of the standard and
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yeah what were you, can you repeat what you
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said about Vim being more sort of friendly?
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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because it's not,
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okay, I'm quoting the opinions of other,
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you know, I would hate to insult Emacs and
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give myself a bad rep at Emacs comfortable
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things. But it feels like because modal
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editing is usually something that people hear
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from when it starts looking into how to be
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more efficient when they read text.
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It feels like the first door,
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the closest door to this is Vim.
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And so a lot of professors,
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because there's very little on-boarding,
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I mean, I'm going to say the word on-boarding
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and then I'm going to modulate,
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but there's very little on-boarding to get
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into modal editing. You just have your H's
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and your J's and your K's and your L's and
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everything works. You know,
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it does something, yes,
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the arrows are in weird places,
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but it does something that is vaguely
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logical. Whereas with Ctrl-Meta,
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Hyper, Super, J and then Ctrl-C and Meta 4
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for good measure, you know,
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It already feels a little more opaque in
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terms of how people are going to use this.
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So, I think it's also 1 good thing about the
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videos is that people can see you're not
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contorting your hands in very difficult
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shapes to use Emacs as the bad rep usually
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is. But yeah, to come back to what I was
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saying about Vim, I just feel like they've
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won the battle in terms of looking very
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accessible. And for us with Emacs,
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from the top of our ivory tower,
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we see the ease of getting into Vim,
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but we always think, but Vim script is shit,
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we've got Elisp for us,
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We can do so many things on our end.
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So yeah, does that evoke anything to you with
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regards to Vim versus Emacs in terms of
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apprehension?
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I think that Emacs might be more
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straightforward if you just plop someone down
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in front of their computer because you press
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H, you're going to see an H on the screen,
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right? And Vim is a whole new modal mindset.
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So for a student who wants to like gain
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efficiency, then yes, I think that Vim is
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definitely like, it feels like a more
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friendly introduction.
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But I think that Emacs doesn't get enough
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credit around here. And I'd like to see it
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more often, because a lot of students,
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they're not looking to fix the efficiencies
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in their text editing.
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They're looking to fix the efficiencies in
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how they do homework or how they do their
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programming assignments,
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and they would save time if they,
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or at least the mentality for a student,
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is that if you can just get it done more
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quickly, like it's more,
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you know, you do what you're used to,
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and Vim is just a barrier towards you know
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getting your work done like how do I copy and
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paste something it's a whole new set of
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challenges to learn so I think both have
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their deficiencies and abilities.
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[Speaker 1]: Yeah it's funny because I'm just 1 last thing
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on this it feels like modal editing because
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it is already weird from the get-go,
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perhaps it might do a better job of making
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people uneasy. You know how we say that
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constraints breeds creativity.
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Well, Vim constrains you from the get-go.
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If you do not press I,
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nothing is going to show up in the buffer
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that you're currently editing.
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Whereas Emacs give you this full sense of
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security by when you press J,
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah, true.
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[Speaker 1]: it actually inputs J. All right,
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moving on to another question.
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And by the way, we've got some time.
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We have technically about 6 more minutes,
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but I see Sasha on the other track is already
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answering questions that I'm in about
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EmacsConf. So we can go a little longer,
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as long as I let the organizers know.
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So we've got about, let's say,
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6 minutes for now. And we'll see if more
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questions crop up. All right,
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moving on to the next question.
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Did you start those university classes using
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Emacs, I suppose, in your first year?
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[Speaker 0]: Yes, yeah, I did. I started with Emacs 2
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years before entering college,
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so my junior year of high school.
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And I've basically over time built up a
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workflow of how I will take my notes,
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how I will organize my classes.
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And now that I'm taking programming classes
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where Emacs might be more acceptable.
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It's even enhanced my workflow.
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Taking notes in Ouro for program assists,
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everyone talks about it,
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but from the source, It doesn't get better
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than that, being able to write with
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highlighting, with syntax highlighting,
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with easy exports, running inline code
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blocks. And a lot of these programming
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classes, they make you code on a server.
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And they just say, oh,
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SSH, and you can use Vim.
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I can use Tramp, and I can use Emacs,
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and I'm perfectly at home.
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It's just such a seamless transition.
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It's a really amazing way to do school.
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Professors, you know, all they want is a PDF
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at the end of the day.
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They just want the paper on their desk.
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They're not so picky about how you get it
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there. They just want it in their hands.
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So, so Emacs is, it's very usable.
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It's very doable.
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[Speaker 1]: Right. I've got a little anecdote on this
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because you're speaking about the topic of
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Emacs at university from the perspective of
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someone who is in computer science.
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But for me, in the humanities,
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I just remember those professors who just
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required you not to use your laptop.
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And I started with Emacs roughly at the same
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age as you did. And I was just using it for
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absolutely everything,
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for my organization, for producing papers.
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And to be told that I could not use Emacs for
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a class for my note-taking,
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I felt utterly naked in the face of what I
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needed to do. And yeah,
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it's great to see those different
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experiences. And it just,
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you're always going to be weird.
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Like I was the weird guy using Emacs in the
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humanities, but I would have been weird using
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Vim or any kind of computers with fancy
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editing.
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[Speaker 0]: Oh yeah, yeah. And I'm in humanities classes
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as well, I'm not in a strictly engineering,
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so people will see me writing an essay about,
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you know, a philosophy essay,
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I was working on an essay about Plato and
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Aristotle, and they say,
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what are you coding, why are you coding your
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essay? And I say, well it's just the font
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looks a little bit different.
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Everything else is the same words,
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just the font looks a little different.
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This is how I like to do it.
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[Speaker 1]: Oh, those pesky monospace fonts are making us
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pass as hackers. But for everyone who is
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behind us, looking at our monitors.
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[Speaker 0]: Exactly.
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[Speaker 1]: All right. A little bit of a remark,
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I guess, towards me and what I said about
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Vim. So, quoting, before NeoVim,
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you had to do as much or more configuration
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to get basic editing done than in Emacs.
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It's also slower with modal editing compared
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to Emacs key bindings because you have to
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press escape and 2 keys to get things done.
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While in Emacs, you only have to press Ctrl
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or Meta something to move or search or
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whatever, and then write.
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And I tend to agree, I'm not familiar with
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the ages before NeoVim,
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But I think we are mostly talking in terms of
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reputation and communication,
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like how is Vim considered nowadays or for
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the last 10 years in the mindset of people
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choosing or about to choose an editor.
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And, You know, I keep spitting the fact about
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VimScript being bad, but I'm going to be
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honest, I've never actually written any
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VimScript. I'm just parroting whatever the
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giants with shoulders I'm standing have been
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saying to me. And it's not very intelligent,
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I know, but We also have a very limited pool
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of time, and I also think that this is a
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point that your talk addresses in a way.
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Yes, we could be starting the massive quest
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of reading the Emacs manual or the ELISP
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introductory guide or the ELISP complete
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guide. A lot of people are trying,
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very highly motivated,
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I'm going to get started on Emacs and I'm
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going to do things right.
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But the fact of the matter is,
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it's not necessarily a good use of your time
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to get started like this,
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because there are so many things you're not
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going to understand, it kind of goes back,
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didn't say iBug this time,
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I stopped myself, it kind of goes back to
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this I plus 1 Vigoski proximals on
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development stuff that I was talking about
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before. The manual is I plus 999.
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Your video might be I plus 3 or I plus 2 and
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the hand-holding really does wonders for
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people to eventually get closer to reading
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the manuals and stuff like this.
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah it's a great way just something about
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giving someone those practical
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demonstrations, that's something I really
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appreciate. A lot of these really nice
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presentations we've had today and yesterday
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show real life use cases and we get to see
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people typing and they're working how they
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would normally work. And that's a great way
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to begin to understand how you can apply a
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tool to yourself because at the end of the
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day Emacs is a tool for us.
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You know we might take joy in it,
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it helps us be more productive,
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it's fun but we're using it for a certain end
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and you know if we how we can understand to
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get to those ends and what those ends might
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even be. It's just great to see other people
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bring that forth for you.
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[Speaker 1]: Okay, great. Well, I don't see any more
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questions in the chat currently,
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and I don't see anyone who's joined us on the
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blue button. We are near the time that I said
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we've got about 40 seconds to go until we
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were due to end. Jacob,
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I kind of want to give you the microphone for
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the end. Do you have anything to say?
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Like you've talked about your YouTube
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channel, we've already ensured that the links
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will be everywhere on the talk page,
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in the pad, on IRC. But is there anything
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else you'd like to add?
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Because you're the last speaker of EmacsCon,
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and you've got the tough responsibility of
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finishing it.
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[Speaker 0]: Oh, well, that's not tough at all when we've
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had 2 days. I mean, so many people,
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so many presenters coming together and like I
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said right at the beginning to Leo,
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putting your face out there,
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putting your voice out there,
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putting yourself out there,
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it's such a great way to come together
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because Emacs is not the standard.
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You know, I've tried to teach my friends
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Emacs, I've tried to show it to them.
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You know, some people you get it or you
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don't. And the people who get it,
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we're not all in the same place.
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And it's great.
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[Speaker 1]: I'm interrupting you for a second because I
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think we were supposed to kill the the cron
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which starts the next meeting and it hasn't.
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Let me try to fix it. I'll talk to production
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[Speaker 0]: Do I wait or keep going?
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[Speaker 1]: in a second. Just wait a bit.
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I'm very sorry. I've given you the mic and
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then it just... Okay let me just check your
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production.
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What? All right, Jason.
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All right, Jacob, I'm going to put us
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manually back on track.
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So give me just a second.
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[Speaker 0]: Right.
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[Speaker 1]: I'm going to manually type the URL,
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because it's a janky setup that we've got
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right now, when whenever it's not working.
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All right. So tps slash slash bbb emacs first
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dot org html. No, that's not the 1.
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Let me try to type it.
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Probably. Bbbemaxfirst.
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L5H, R5D, BH0 Okay, we're getting back Okay,
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sorry folks about this We are,
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Jacob, We're back online.
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I'm really sorry about this.
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It's just that Sasha's script kicked in.
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I did tell you we were supposed to finish at
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30. And because Sasha is busy presenting in
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the other room, sadly,
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we got yanked again. So Jacob,
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I'm very sorry for the interruption.
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And you were retelling people about something
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you told me during the check-ins.
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Do you mind restarting this?
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[Speaker 0]: Yeah, sure. Well, you said I have the no
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small task of making the last words from
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presenters and not the organizers at
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EmacsConf. And I said,
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well, that's not hard at all.
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How many speakers have we had?
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30? And it's so incredible these past,
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you know, today and yesterday to have all
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been able to come together and not just share
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our ideas and our code and how we do things,
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but to share our faces and our voices and our
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lives, you know a little bit of our lives.
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You know to have the passion to even spend
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the time to on your weekend to watch this
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means that you have some sort of care about
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Emacs and it adds to your life.
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And you know those Emacs people aren't
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everywhere. I've tried to bring my friends
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onto Emacs and it seems like you know you're
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an Emacs person or you're not really an Emacs
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person. And those Emacs people can be really
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spread out. So it's great that we're able to
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come together and share a little bit of
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ourselves, a little bit of how we do things.
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And like I said in my talk,
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just increase our own joy in Emacs by coming
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together and being able to share our joy in
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Emacs. And of course, thank you to all the
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organizers and everyone who's contributed in
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any way. It means a lot to even the smallest
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member, the biggest member of our community.
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We're all really glad to be able to come
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together like this and share and meet each
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other and give nice talks.
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[Speaker 1]: Well, thank you so much,
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Jacob. And perhaps to reassure people,
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because yes, right now it feels like we are
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legions, all of us here in the same room
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watching the same thing.
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We are the Emacs' and that's a very good
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feeling to have. But you know,
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first, there's 1 thing that is certain,
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almost 99% certain, it's the fact that next
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year there'll probably be another EmacsConf
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and there will be more Emacs versions,
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there will be more augmented versions,
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there will be more people doing cool stuff on
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Melpa, on ELPA, etc. So it is still a vibrant
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community. But in case you're craving this
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little extra in-person stuff,
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Sash and myself, we are maintaining a list of
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all the Emacs user group.
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This is on the Emacs wiki.
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This is what I'm sharing on my screen
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currently. And we try to organize them by
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regional region, sorry,
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parts of the world like North America,
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South America, Europe,
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Africa, Asia. And we have a list of upcoming
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events and a lot of them are still online.
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Ever since we had the entire pandemic stuff,
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a lot of the workshops moved online and,
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sorry, I had someone whispering in my ear.
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A lot of them moved online and they are still
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online now because they've realized it's a
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very great way to get more people in the same
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place. And whilst it's great to have
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in-person meetings, We do this with Emacs
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Paris. Emacs Paris actually is happening is
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it? I think, oh I'm going to need to tell
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Sasha that apparently yes we do not have the
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next event for Emacs Paris which is next
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Tuesday and it is in person but for everyone
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and including you Jacob if you find a
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workshop in North America that is working for
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you, I'm thinking about Emacs SF,
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which I've attended multiple times,
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and Emacs Austin as well,
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that I've been to once,
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I think, It would be a lovely experience and
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a way to, most of them are every month,
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it would be a good way for you to stay in
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touch and to continue this sense of
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in-person-ness about Emacs.
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[Speaker 0]: Wonderful. All right, thank you so much.
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Should I drop off of our call now and let you
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close things up?
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[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're probably gonna close thing up.
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Let me just check on Sasha.
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Sasha is obviously answering many many
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questions about how we are organizing
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EmacsConf. So Jacob, I'm gonna let you go.
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Thank you so much for your presentation and
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your answers. And maybe we'll see you next
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year. Or maybe a workshop.
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[Speaker 0]: Who knows? I'm so lucky I got you as my Q&A.
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When I saw you at my first Emacs Conf 2 years
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ago, I thought, maybe this guy will do mine.
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[Speaker 1]: Very nice. Thank you. I'm glad I was able to
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generate such a feeling.
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All right, I'll get going now.
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Jacob, have a wonderful evening.
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[Speaker 0]: And here you are. You too,
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see you later.
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[Speaker 1]: Bye-bye. And folks, what are we going to do
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right now? I'm going to set everything up so
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that we can get Sasha finished on the talk.
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If you're watching, squinting with both
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streams, you can go to Sasha's room,
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I mean, the development track,
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to maybe catch some of the answers by Sasha.
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Otherwise, we'll be back in roughly 5 to 10
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minutes to do the closing remarks on this
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channel. In the meantime,
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I'll put on some music.
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So bear with us and I'll see you shortly.
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And closing here. This BBB recording.
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Yay!
