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# Putting Org Mode on the Indieweb
Michael Herstine (IRC: sp1ff)
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# Table of Contents
Many of us maintain personal websites using Org Mode. While an
Org-generated static site has advantages over full-blown Content
Management Systems, its simplicity comes with costs such as fewer
features. The first feature I missed was supporting comments on my
site, but I quickly began to feel isolated on the web altogether.
Enter the Indieweb: the Indieweb is a collection of protocols for
connecting to other independent sites, pushing your content to social
media sites, collecting likes, comments & responses from other sites
<span class="underline">back</span> to yours, and many other things as well.
In this talk, I'll briefly sketch out the dilemma of the independent
web site & how the Indieweb tries to address it. The focus, however,
will be on how Emacs, Org Mode, and a few Unix tools suffice to get
your static Org Mode site onto the Indieweb.
(Update July 2023) I've created a simple site demonstrating how
to use the package [here](https://indie-org.sh/). The source for
the site is on [Github](https://github.com/sp1ff/indie-org.sh)
for anyone to see or tinker with.
Michael is a developer and long-time Emacs user from the San Francisco
Bay area. He hacks in C++, Lisp & Rust and thinks a lot about writing
provably correct code. You can find him at:
- his [home page](https://www.unwoundstack.com)
- on IRC: sp1ff on Libera.Chat
- through [e-mail](mailto:sp1ff@pobox.com)
- or on [Github](https://github.com/sp1ff)
# Discussion
## Notes
- Thanks for a great talk - this was the missing piece in the puzzle
of the website I'm tinkering with!
- I'm so happy to hear that!
- Similar: <http://www.by-star.net/> and
<http://www.by-star.net/content/generated/doc.free/bystar/PLPC/180038/current/accessPage>
## Questions and answers
- Q: Have you wu. This allows you to make a login that you own or at
least is more open souree and ownable. Seems to fit in with indie
web
- A: No but I will check it out later
- Q: How did you create the graphical drill-down representation of the
make call? Is it hand-written and scanned in?
- A: LOL... I started with a diagram I made at
<https://excalidraw.com/>. The initial diagram was the complete
flow. Exported that to Gimp & made the intermediate slides there
- Q: what happens when you re-publish or re-export the same post? i.e.
will the webmention be sent out repeatedly?
- A: You could do that but it would annoy the recipient. The
system is smart enough not to re-send the mentions.
- Q: An advantage I see to using org mode for the indieweb for this
is you can use it for your notes "org roam for example" and org
mode no-export for private data you don't want ot share. Your
webmentions could be org files as notes.. Anything else good about
using org mode for this.
- A:
- Q: Any thoughts on using with with Ox-Hugo?
- A: No. So far, I was following an Emacs/Org mode OOTB (out of
the box) approach and pushing emacs as far as I could take it
- Q: So, is this a Web3 approach? Web 1 = static sites Web 2 =
interactive sites- but centralized
- A: Indieweb is about reclaiming your data. It's a distibuted
approach.
- Annotation Karl: some people started the term Web0 for similar,
decentralized approaches. ;-)
- Annotation Karl: Web3 is supposed to be something really strange
with Blockchains and this is definitely nothing like that Web3
(which will be a dead bubble in a few months IMHO)
- Here's the link: Do you see this as a format for annotations
specifically, or something more general that can be used for
interlinear glosses, etc?
- Q: Is there a workflow to use emacs to publish and connect directly
to target websites instead of telegraph?
- A: If you want to cut telegraph cut out of the equation, you'll
need more work on the client-side. "What if they're down?"
...
- Q: Do you have to have a process running on the web server to
recieve requests?
- A: Nope-- just a cron job
- Q: I think perhaps you are doing too much inside of emacs?
- A: When I started, I thought that I was so close with the OOTB
(out of the box) features.
- Q: Say you start out using webmentions-as-a-service (webmention.io,
telegraph.p3k.io) and then you want to chnge endpoint, whether to a
different service, or to your own new server with a CGI script or
something. Will that work smoothly, do you think, or will there be
mentions piling up at your old address?
- A: Should be fine, unless your senders are doing something very
odd
- Q:Have you seen <https://github.com/AgregoreWeb/agregore-browser> It
is a decentrilized kiss browser. Using some of the peer to peer
protocols used whithin this could be useful for propgating stuff
like webmentions.
- A: No, I haven't (but I will soon!).
## Other discussions from IRC
- I think perhaps you are doing too much inside of emacs.
- mohsen: Somethings are better done outside of emacs. I have built something similar at http://www.by-star.net/PLPC/180038 and also please see http://www.by-star.net
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