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NOTE Introduction
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Yes. Okay. Hi, everyone. We are back now, and I'm with Mats. Hi, Mats.
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Hi. How are you doing?
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I'm fine. How are you?
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I'm doing great as well. As the talk goes by,
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I keep warming up, and this is a very nice feeling. I look absolutely big
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with this down jacket, but it works, and I'm not going to question it.
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You do know, for the people coming every year to AMX Conf, that I do try
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to look dashing, but I also need to be warm, because this year,
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we are doing it in December and not in November.
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Okay. So, Mats,
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how about you start reading questions? I believe you've got one already.
NOTE So with one line of code you can create custom hyperbutton types that are live in any Emacs buffer. Is that right?
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I got one question already. Yes. The question is, so with one line of code,
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you can create custom hyper button types that are live in an AMX buffer.
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Is that right? Yes. The short answer is yes.
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Maybe I should use the presentation and go into here.
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Let's see if I can find it.
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No. Read it wrong. So, here, the field macro allows you, in principle, to,
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in one line, define a hyper button, starting with the starting delimiter
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and an end delimiter, and then there's this mapping
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to whatever functionality should sort of come out of pressing that button.
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So, that was significantly more than just a yes. Thank you.
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I'll be glad we put your screen up so that you can answer this.
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So, people, just to remind you, so we do have the pad to answer the pad
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to ask you questions over there. We are, let me check
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how much time we have for this Q&A. We have until 15 of the next hour,
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which leaves about 20 minutes, but right now we only have one question.
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So, people on ISE, if you could place questions in the pad. Right.
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Sorry, I'm managing multiple things at the same time.
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Is there anything else you wanted to talk about? Anything else?
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Because, you know, to let people know,
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we do ask speakers to submit pre-recordings to us
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because it makes our life much easier on the day
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of the recording at EmacsConf, on the day of the conference at EmacsConf,
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because this way we can get away with not having
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to worry about live presentation catching fires and not, oh,
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I cannot share my screen, my microphone is not working.
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So, not only is everything working today inside the BBBO room,
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but Matt also sent a pre-recording. So, that's great.
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I got another question. Oh yes, go, but please, I'm down in the background.
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Let me jump over to the second question.
NOTE Is there a good way to share common patterns for links other than the ones that you shared? shall those be PRs to your repository?
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The second question is, is there a good way to share common patterns
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for links other than the ones that you shared?
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Shall those be pull requests to your repository?
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Okay, let me think. Those should not be pull requests to our repository
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because these are your patterns, your links.
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That's something you would share like that I'm showing here.
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Could even be like you're sharing maybe the pattern, how this
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button looks, but maybe the implementation could in principle be different.
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So, the one you're sharing with might put their information
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in some other storage that might be accessed using the same information,
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or maybe just placed in some other part of the file system.
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So, the only good way to share it would be like to send it over email
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or some other message to someone else. Share it some way.
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First question. I like the link to evaluate calc expressions.
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Any way to get the outcome into the buffer and not just in the message window?
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I mean, that will be up to the sort of the implementation of the function
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that you would use in the bottom. I mean, the function that
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is evaluated could do anything really. So, that was just an example
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to show that you could, you don't have to be a link that you actually go
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to some new place. It can just be some computation or whatever. So,
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that's just trying to show that you shouldn't be limiting yourself
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to just thinking about links. It can be computing anything.
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It's really the thing about Elisp really. It's just when people ask you,
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you know, when they come from outside of Emacs and they ask you,
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can your function do this? The answer is more often than not, yes.
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Can you write it in Elisp? Yeah, I might need
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to look at the documentation a little bit, but I'll be able to do it.
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And, you know, calc does have the ability to paste the result
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when you're not calc used as a library, but calc the node.
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When you type something in it and you press Y,
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it will paste it into the buffer, which means that there is the ability
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to communicate between calc and the buffer you're currently in. So,
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it's probably just a matter of doing Ctrl-H-K-Y inside the calc mode,
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checking which function is running, and just putting this at the end
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of the button, and voila, there you go.
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So, Matt, I don't think you have any questions at the moment.
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We're going to leave some time for people to gather more questions,
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but I think, if I'm not mistaken, I might be wrong with the,
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we changed the schedule a little bit,
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but you're the first Hyperbole talk for today,
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and as such, you are introducing people to the concept of buttons,
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which is very instrumental to Hyperbole. Hyperbole?
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I'm going to go with Hyperbole, actually.
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So, could you maybe, I know it's a big task,
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and you've also touched upon what Hyperbole was, but a lot
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of people always ask, you know, Hyperbole, Org Mode,
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I see both of them sometimes crop up at the top of the subreddit,
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and I'm not exactly sure which one is doing which.
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You're using the term links, and this speaks to me as someone who works
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in Zettelkasten Methods, so maybe
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could you, I'm asking you with a very difficult question now,
NOTE Could you differentiate Hyperbole and Org?
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could you differentiate maybe Hyperbole and Org, or try your best,
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knowing that we'll have more Hyperbole talks later in the conference?
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Well, I will not try to get into that sort of wormhole,
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because I don't think they should be compared, they're more companions, so yeah.
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It's the best way you could have answered this question, and you know,
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I'm going to remove you from this tricky situation in which I put you,
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so yes, they are complementary tool, they do some of the same thing,
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they do have different philosophy, and at the end,
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if they allow you to take notes,
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if they allow you to relate notes in different places,
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you know, it's a good note-taking system. Let's put it at this,
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let's not concern ourselves with comparison, at least Org, you know,
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the best thing about comparing is cross-pollination,
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which is made all the more easier with something like Emacs,
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because ideas from one mode can be taken and applied in another mode.
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Now, maybe not straightforwardly between Hyperbole and Org,
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but the idea can be translated at the very least.
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You did have a question, I'll answer this one very quick,
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because it's a quick one.
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Yeah, yes, you want to take it?
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I just want to quickly follow up on what you said there,
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that, ah, now I lost, I lost it, maybe come back,
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so let's jump into the question instead,
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because I got an answer, so thank you for everybody who wrote the answer,
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great, and the next question was, this talk is really straightforward,
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so that's probably why there aren't many questions,
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maybe Mats could talk about Hyperbole in general, while he was, aha, okay,
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that's maybe what you were trying to do here, so maybe I should,
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and the last one is, second question, last question is,
NOTE How did you present the right buffer with shortcuts at the right of your buffer?
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how did you present the lossage bar at the right of your buffer?
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A lot of people are wondering, the lossage bar, oh, well, you have
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to elaborate on what the lossage bar is. I can, although
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I do have a slight problem, my daily backup is running,
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so if my voice is crackly, I'm sorry, I can't do anything about it,
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can you hear me?
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Yeah, you're shopping up,
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but I can understand what you're saying, so that's great.
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So lossage is the stuff that you have on the right side of your screen,
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it's the commands that you're running and the key binding that you're using
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to run them, and yes, this is a mode that we ask,
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or that we provide Emacs on speakers with,
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and it's called interactive log mode, which is available on GitHub,
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which will allow you to have this pretty print on the right side of your screen,
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or whatever really, it's just a buffer.
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Yeah, and I haven't used it before doing this presentation, so it was a news
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to me, so I'm very new to using it, but it works. Well, if you move around,
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you see that, yeah.
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So for the people, we did open up the BBB chat room now,
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which means that again, if you go to the talk page for Matz,
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where this was Button, you will be able to join the BBB by clicking on the link,
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and you'll be able to ask questions right away to Matz.
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We've started a nice question about org hyperbole and stuff like this,
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but maybe we should, yes, I'm trying to save you here,
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maybe we should re-center on the buttons and what they can do,
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especially what we talked about Elisp, allowing buttons to be whatever,
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and since Matz, you have your Emacs available,
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it might be a good opportunity for you to show some of the buttons
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that you're using as well, maybe some different ones that you've presented.
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So if people want to join, that would be a great opportunity
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to ask your questions. We have about 20 more minutes of Q&A,
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and if we don't have any more people showing up
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and no more questions on the pad, we can also go on a little break,
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and I would appreciate this, but I'm also happy to stay.
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Yeah, I understand the interest, but there are more talks coming up
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in related to hyperbole, and I haven't prepared any cool stuff.
NOTE Working with different support systems
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What I could mention that I think is cool, I will not demo that,
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but I work as a programmer, and then I have different support systems,
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which have these strings, identifiers that may be linked
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to different information, like a ticketing system, for instance,
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that would do bugs. It could be like a novel text string
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that identify your bug or your ticket, and it's an internal tool,
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so no one else can support that, but by using hyperbole,
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I can write my own interpretation of that string
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and get that to work as a button, so I can easily
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from the code or from some notes link directly into that ticketing system.
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So that's the point I'm trying to make with this talk is
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that it's useful for setting up your own environment
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that only you really know about and how you want to navigate
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with your information, and it's not about trying to force some type
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of work stream upon anybody. It's more like giving you the opportunity
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to streamline your own workflow instead.
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I think the remaining talks about hyperbole will be more focused
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on all the features. It's a multi-functional package
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with a lot of different stuff in it,
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so I could not give justice to it in just doing some quick demos.
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It won't show all the things you can do.
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Yeah, but I'm going to say for someone saying
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that you couldn't do justice to the topic,
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you've done a very fine job, so do not worry about this.
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It's funny, I was listening to you describe this, the
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buttons really, but when
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you think about it, you could have forgotten about the buttons
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and really remembered about Emacs and would make as much sense as well,
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because Emacs as a whole, the Elisp stuff behind it allows you
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to do whatever interface you want very easily,
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and the buttons really enshrines the interface type of things really,
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because you just have a button that is running code.
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It's no longer, oh, you need to go to
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the end of the parenthesis, the end of the sex,
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and you need to evaluate it. There's something more interactive about it,
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which feels closer to your user interface as a result to this,
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but I've already blabbered enough.
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We do have someone with a microphone in the VBB chat,
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so does this person want to unmute themselves
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and ask a question, maybe?
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I think I have some very knowledgeable person about hyperbole in the chat.
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Yes, I didn't want to spoil it, but I'm not sure if they're going
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to unmute themselves, so I don't want to put too much pressure on them.
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Can you guys hear me? We can, yes.
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Hi, Bob. Hi, long time fan of hyperbole.
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You might want to cue people in on a joke here,
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because I'm not sure if anyone knows who you are.
NOTE Bob Weiner
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I wrote hyperbole, and Matt's my co-maintainer on it,
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so really exciting to have the first talk here.
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I think I just wanted to mention two things.
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Maybe you could show a little key series,
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just type one out dynamically and show how simple that is,
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and then talk about the UKIPA daily journal,
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right? Time-stamped journal that was originally org mode,
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and I think you're now using Hyperbole's K-outliner,
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so maybe mention doing that. Okay.
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Something that's more than one key sequence, please.
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Do a couple operations that you do a lot of or that are interesting,
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all in one.
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So the key series is like a keyboard macro,
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so it's not limited to one key sequence,
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but any series of key sequences can be strung together
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just like that with nothing else,
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and then you activate it the same way as any other button, right?
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Yes, but you're putting me on the spot here,
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because now I have to remember, actually, how to write these things.
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You just write it the way you would type it.
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Yeah, I see it.
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Okay, so let's see. So the key series is between these braces and...
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And you could leave out the quote marks if you don't...
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Maybe I can skip that as well.
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So here's the key series.
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Let's see what's happening.
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Do I go to the 10th folder or not?
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Boom, I got there. Yeah, it worked.
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Bob, great. So you can name them and then reuse them,
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and so it's sort of like you've got this toolkit that you can embed
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in all these different modes that you have in Emacs,
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and you just carry it with you.
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It's not like a whole mode unto itself that you always have to use.
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Yeah, so in this example here with the field, you can,
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instead of having like this path string here,
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you can have a key series as well.
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But to the other point, also, Elisp is available,
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but this is even more available
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because you don't even have to code using Elisp.
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So that's the point also with this, the fill and the file macros.
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You should make it even simpler.
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And if you just know how to type some command,
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you can use the key series together with this
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to get some functionality out of this.
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I think one of the things we've taken to saying about Hyperbole
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is it's kind of the lightest hypertext markup
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that you can have, as you saw there, right?
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I mean, there were just braces, and all of a sudden,
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it's a live hyper button. So we've tried to strip away
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having to write stuff like HTML or even all the drawers
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and stuff like that, and we've tried to make it so that you know,
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even all the like drawers and the property markup in org mode,
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and just provide very, very simple sort of syntactical things similar
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to what Elisp does, so that you can get a lot of power
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and put buttons everywhere, but not have to recognize a lot of syntax
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or use a whole bunch of keys on your buttons.
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It's pretty interesting,
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by the way.
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I'm sorry I have to do this,
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but we only have about five more minutes in the Q&A before we need
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to move on to the next talk. But don't worry, you've had a little test
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of Hyperbole right there, and you'll have more over the weekend.
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We've had a lot of Hyperbole talk this year, which is amazing.
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You know, we usually have a lot of talk about org, but this year
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is truly the one where we also have a similar amount of Hyperbole talk,
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which is amazing to see. Obviously, I am more of an org guy,
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but I see so many parallels between the two, so many bridges
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that could be built as well, and it's amazing to see the amount of passion
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that goes into this. Usually I deal with people who are passionate about org,
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but to see that there's a similar amount of passion on the Hyperbole side
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of things is truly amazing to me.
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I think we had one more question in the pad, if you can take it, Matt.
NOTE Do the links/buttons created in hyperbole (like that one with the url) get exported on org-mode files too? (like when exported to html)
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Yeah, the last here is, does the links buttons create in Hyperbole,
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like the one with the URL get exported on org mode files too,
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like when exported to HTML?
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Oh, tricky question.
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I mean, these implicit buttons, they are just like the patterns.
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So the pattern will of course be exported to HTML,
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but you will not be able maybe
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to do something there unless you're watching the HTML within Emacs,
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so the sort of Hyperbole machinery would be available, if that makes sense.
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I mean, yeah, it's possible. It depends what the encoding is,
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what the encoding is, but we do have an outliner mode, the K outliner
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in Hyperbole as well, and that has a single command export to HTML.
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So if you've embedded URLs in there,
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you would see them just like if you embedded them in org mode,
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and potentially the org exporter, if you just write a raw URL,
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will also encode it for you when you export it.
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There's other Hyperbole buttons in there. Yeah, but the functionality that
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is by clicking on that button will not be exported.
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Well, it's like you can try printing the button, I'm not sure. No amount
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of clicking on it is actually going to trigger an action.
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I might be wrong though. Sorry, I mean printing on paper,
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it's a very confusing terminology that we're using right there, not printing
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in a terminal.
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One cool thing if you use the Hyperbole export to HTML is
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that you can expand and collapse your trees in the HTML.
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I don't think you can do that with the org export right now.
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But Bob, you're going to show something about that tomorrow, right?
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I don't think it's in this presentation because I'm- Oh, it's not
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in the presentation, okay. On the org side of the house this time,
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but it'll be in a different one about Hyperbole some other time. All right,
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so we have about two minutes until we need to go to the next talk,
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but thank you so much, Matz, and thank you so much, Bob,
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also for showing up and giving us a taste of what is probably going
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to follow up tomorrow. I can't remember, I think your talk is
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in the afternoon, right, Bob? Correct, about 1 p.m. EST. Yeah, so
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in about 22 hours, 23 hours. I'm trying my best to give you times
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which are time zone independence,
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so I'm sorry if I'm missing the mark a little bit,
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but hopefully this would be useful for many people. But otherwise,
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just check the schedule and you'll be able to get everything. All right, well,
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thank you so much, Matz, for answering so many questions
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and for your presentation as well. I feel like it was good
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to have your presentation before Bob's one tomorrow,
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because focusing on the one aspect of Hyperbole, the buttons, and linking it
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to Elisp, linking it to interactivity, linking it to UI, I think is going
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to prime people to then understand fully what Hyperbole,
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or what are the capabilities of Hyperbole, beyond this, or inspired by this.
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So thank you so much. Thanks, Matz. Thank you.
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Great.
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All right, and we are going live with the next talk in about 30 seconds.
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I think we're going to close the BBB room,
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because nobody has showed up otherwise. So I will see you both later.
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Bye-bye.
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Bye-bye.
