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# Transcript


[[!template new="1" text="""Intro to the Talk""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Andrew Hyatt and I'm going to talk to you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about large language models and how""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""they relate to Emacs.""" start="00:00:06.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I'm going to talk to you about the technology""" start="00:00:11.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and how we're going to use it in Emacs.""" start="00:00:14.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There'll be demos and there'll be talks about,""" start="00:00:18.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll finish up by kind of talking about where""" start="00:00:21.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think this should go in the future.""" start="00:00:22.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""What are LLMs?""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So to start off with, let's just talk like,""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I just want to make sure everyone's on the same page.""" start="00:00:28.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What are large language models?""" start="00:00:29.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Not everyone may be caught up on this.""" start="00:00:30.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Large language models are a way... Basically,""" start="00:00:34.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the current versions of large language models""" start="00:00:39.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""are all based on the similar architecture""" start="00:00:43.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""called the transformer.""" start="00:00:44.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's just an efficient way to train and produce output.""" start="00:00:45.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So these things are basically models""" start="00:00:48.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that predict the next word or something like that.""" start="00:00:51.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And they're trained on an enormous corpus of information""" start="00:00:58.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and they get extremely good""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at predicting the next word.""" start="00:01:04.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And from that basic ability, you can train""" start="00:01:06.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""through further tuning from human input,""" start="00:01:09.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""human ratings and things like that.""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can train different models based on that""" start="00:01:13.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that will do question answering.""" start="00:01:17.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And this is how basically ChatGPT works.""" start="00:01:18.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's a base LLM, like GPT.""" start="00:01:22.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then you have a chat version of that,""" start="00:01:25.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is just trained to just... You give""" start="00:01:27.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it a prompt, like what do you want it to do?""" start="00:01:29.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it gives you an output that does what you told it to do,""" start="00:01:32.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or at least attempts to do it.""" start="00:01:37.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Those are the power of large language models is""" start="00:01:39.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""they're extremely, extremely impressive.""" start="00:01:42.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Certainly this is, in AI,""" start="00:01:45.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this has been the biggest thing to happen""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""probably in my lifetime,""" start="00:01:49.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or at least my lifetime as my working lifetime.""" start="00:01:51.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Power of LLMs (Magit Demo)""" start="00:01:56.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So let me give you a demonstration of""" start="00:01:56.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what kinds of stuff it could do in Emacs.""" start="00:02:02.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So here I have a Emacs file.""" start="00:02:06.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this is my Emacs init file.""" start="00:02:09.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have a change.""" start="00:02:12.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's commit that change.""" start="00:02:13.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And, you know, I don't like writing commit messages,""" start="00:02:16.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I can generate it.""" start="00:02:19.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it did an actually just looking.""" start="00:02:23.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So all it does is it's looking, it's just reading the diff.""" start="00:02:27.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm just feeding it the diff with some instructions.""" start="00:02:29.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it is this a incredible commit message?""" start="00:02:32.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not bad, actually.""" start="00:02:37.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can see that it actually has really extracted""" start="00:02:39.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the meaning of what I'm doing and has written""" start="00:02:42.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a reasonably good commit message.""" start="00:02:46.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Now I have to edit it because this is not quite correct.""" start="00:02:48.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But it's kind of impressive how good it is.""" start="00:02:53.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And my editing, it's kind of easier for me to edit this""" start="00:02:55.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""than just to write a new one.""" start="00:03:00.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And quite often it's good enough to just submit as is.""" start="00:03:01.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this is kind of, you know, you could say""" start="00:03:04.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is just commit messages.""" start="00:03:08.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You could respond to emails.""" start="00:03:09.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You could, you know, using your own custom instructions""" start="00:03:10.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about what you want your email to say.""" start="00:03:15.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It'll write the email for you.""" start="00:03:17.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It could do like this""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs is a way to interact with buffers.""" start="00:03:19.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This could basically just output text.""" start="00:03:22.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it's super useful for""" start="00:03:24.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""understanding something and outputting text based on that,""" start="00:03:27.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is just useful for Emacs.""" start="00:03:30.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Drawbacks of LLMs (regex demo)""" start="00:03:32.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So the drawback is, yeah, it's good,""" start="00:03:32.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's not that reliable.""" start="00:03:39.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you'd think it's very easy to get caught up in like,""" start="00:03:43.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""oh my gosh, like this is so powerful.""" start="00:03:45.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I bet it could work this, whatever idea could work.""" start="00:03:47.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And these ideas, like they almost can.""" start="00:03:50.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For example, I was thinking, you know what I could do?""" start="00:03:52.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't like writing regexes.""" start="00:03:55.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Why can't I have a regex replace that's powered by LLMs?""" start="00:03:57.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And that way I could give just an instruction""" start="00:04:01.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to regex replace.""" start="00:04:03.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And so for example, I could do Emacs LLM regex replace.""" start="00:04:07.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is not checked in anywhere.""" start="00:04:12.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""These are just my own kind of private functions.""" start="00:04:12.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""My description lowercase all the org headings.""" start="00:04:17.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see if it works.""" start="00:04:19.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It might work.""" start="00:04:20.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No, it doesn't work.""" start="00:04:21.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if I, I'm not going to bother to show you""" start="00:04:22.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what it actually came up with, but it's something,""" start="00:04:26.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you looked at it, it'd be like, wow,""" start="00:04:28.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is very close to being...""" start="00:04:29.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It looks like it should work, but it doesn't.""" start="00:04:31.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:04:34.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not quite good enough to get it right.""" start="00:04:35.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it's possible that perhaps by giving it""" start="00:04:38.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a few examples of, or explaining more""" start="00:04:41.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what makes Emacs regexes different.""" start="00:04:43.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It could do a better job""" start="00:04:46.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and maybe could solve these problems,""" start="00:04:47.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's always a little bit random.""" start="00:04:49.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You're never quite sure what you're going to get.""" start="00:04:50.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this is the drawback.""" start="00:04:52.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like there's a lot of things that look like you could do it,""" start="00:04:54.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but when it actually comes down to trying it,""" start="00:04:58.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's surprisingly hard.""" start="00:05:01.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And, you know, and whatever you're doing,""" start="00:05:03.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's surprisingly hard to get something""" start="00:05:06.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that is repeatably, that's, that is always good.""" start="00:05:09.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, that's currently the problem.""" start="00:05:13.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Embeddings""" start="00:05:20.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So I want to talk about embeddings.""" start="00:05:20.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They're another thing that LLMs offer""" start="00:05:23.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and that are extremely useful.""" start="00:05:26.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They are, what they do is they encode from""" start="00:05:28.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a input text that could be a word, a sentence,""" start="00:05:33.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a small document.""" start="00:05:38.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It encodes a vector about what the meaning,""" start="00:05:42.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the semantic meaning of that is.""" start="00:05:45.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That means you could, something that is,""" start="00:05:46.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""uses completely different words,""" start="00:05:51.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but is basically talking about the same thing,""" start="00:05:52.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""perhaps in a different language, should be pretty close""" start="00:05:54.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as a vector to the other vector.""" start="00:05:57.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You know, as long as they're similarly semantic things,""" start="00:06:02.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like the words""" start="00:06:05.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""highway and Camino are two different words.""" start="00:06:12.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They mean the same thing.""" start="00:06:18.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They should have very similar embeddings.""" start="00:06:19.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it is a way to kind of encode this""" start="00:06:21.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then you could use this for search.""" start="00:06:25.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For example, I haven't tried to do this yet,""" start="00:06:26.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but you could probably just make an embedding""" start="00:06:28.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for every paragraph in the Emacs manual""" start="00:06:31.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the Elisp manual.""" start="00:06:33.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then, and then there's a very standard technique.""" start="00:06:36.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You just... You find that you have a query,""" start="00:06:39.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""oh, how do I do whatever, whatever in Emacs again?""" start="00:06:43.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you could, you just find that 20 things""" start="00:06:45.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that are closest to whatever you're""" start="00:06:49.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""trying to... the embedding of your query.""" start="00:06:50.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You send those things to the LLM, as you know,""" start="00:06:51.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with the original query,""" start="00:06:55.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and you're basically telling the--asking the LLM,""" start="00:06:57.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""look, the user is trying to do this.""" start="00:06:59.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here's what I found in the Emacs manual.""" start="00:07:01.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's on the Elisp manual.""" start="00:07:03.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's close to what they're trying to do.""" start="00:07:04.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So can you kind of just tell the user what to do?""" start="00:07:07.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And from this, and you could say,""" start="00:07:12.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just use things from this, you know, that I give you.""" start="00:07:14.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Don't just make up your own idea.""" start="00:07:17.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You know, don't use your own ideas,""" start="00:07:20.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because sometimes it likes to do that""" start="00:07:21.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and those things are wrong.""" start="00:07:23.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you could try to, you know, do this and you get,""" start="00:07:24.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you could get quite good results using this.""" start="00:07:26.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So no one has done this yet,""" start="00:07:28.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but that should not be hard to do.""" start="00:07:30.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Image Generation""" start="00:07:32.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Image generation is something that's, you know,""" start="00:07:32.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's not quite an LLM in the sense of...""" start="00:07:34.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""These are... It's a different technology,""" start="00:07:38.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but these things are kind of packaged together""" start="00:07:43.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in a sense.""" start="00:07:48.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you'll see that when I talk about Emacs packages,""" start="00:07:49.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a lot of them bundle image generation""" start="00:07:51.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and large language models.""" start="00:07:54.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You know, the APIs are often bundled together by providers.""" start="00:07:55.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And the general idea is it's kind of similar""" start="00:07:59.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because it's very similar to large, you know,""" start="00:08:02.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""doing a chat thing where you, you know,""" start="00:08:04.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the chat is like, you give it a text request,""" start="00:08:06.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like write me a sonnet about, you know,""" start="00:08:09.761" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the battle between Emacs and vi.""" start="00:08:12.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it could, it could do it.""" start="00:08:14.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It could do a very good job of that.""" start="00:08:15.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But you could also say, you know,""" start="00:08:17.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""draw me a picture of Emacs and vi as boxers,""" start="00:08:22.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as a character-character boxing in a ring,""" start="00:08:27.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like a, you know, political cartoon style.""" start="00:08:30.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it can do that as well.""" start="00:08:32.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And so you could basically think of this""" start="00:08:35.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as just sort of... it's kind of the""" start="00:08:37.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""same thing with what you're doing""" start="00:08:39.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with large language models,""" start="00:08:42.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but instead of outputting a text,""" start="00:08:43.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you're outputting a picture.""" start="00:08:44.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

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[[!template text="""I want to make sure that when I give you input,""" start="00:09:03.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""And this is what I'm just going to""" start="00:09:08.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""these mappings between input and output.""" start="00:09:11.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And for example, you could do this. Like,""" start="00:09:14.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I don't think it, I think it'd be""" start="00:09:21.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""You could get, you know, maybe a hundred,""" start="00:09:31.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a few hundreds of these things.""" start="00:09:34.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You could train it.""" start="00:09:35.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think that is a reasonable way to,""" start="00:09:38.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""let's just say, I don't know how well it would work,""" start="00:09:40.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""and produce pretty good results.""" start="00:09:46.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you could do this on your own machine.""" start="00:09:48.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Corporations like OpenAI offer APIs with, you know,""" start="00:09:53.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to build your fine tunes on top of OpenAI.""" start="00:09:59.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I think, I'm not a hundred percent sure,""" start="00:10:01.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I think then you can share your model""" start="00:10:04.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with other people.""" start="00:10:05.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But if not, then you just, you know,""" start="00:10:06.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you could use your model for your own specialized purposes.""" start="00:10:08.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But in the world of models that you could run,""" start="00:10:10.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Llama is this model you can run on your own machine from Meta.""" start="00:10:16.875" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""They can do very different things too.""" start="00:10:28.961" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Some output Python programs, for example,""" start="00:10:30.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you could just run.""" start="00:10:33.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you just say...""" start="00:10:34.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Tell me how old... Let's just say""" start="00:10:37.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have a random task, like""" start="00:10:40.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tell me how old these five cities are in minutes,""" start="00:10:42.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""based on historical evidence.""" start="00:10:48.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's kind of a weird query, but it probably can figure,""" start="00:10:49.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it could probably run that for you.""" start="00:10:53.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It'll encode its knowledge into whatever""" start="00:10:55.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""to do the correct calculations.""" start="00:10:59.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So pretty, pretty useful stuff.""" start="00:11:01.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

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[[!template text="""They're sometimes open source,""" start="00:11:17.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""without restrictions to use.""" start="00:11:21.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Most of these things, even Llama,""" start="00:11:23.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""have restrictions that you cannot use it""" start="00:11:28.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to train your own model.""" start="00:11:31.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it costs millions and millions of dollars""" start="00:11:35.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""And that's just computation costs.""" start="00:11:40.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They do not want you""" start="00:11:42.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""stealing all that work by training your own models""" start="00:11:45.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""based on their output.""" start="00:11:47.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But there are research LLMs that do, I believe,""" start="00:11:48.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""They're just not as good yet.""" start="00:11:58.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I think that might change in the future.""" start="00:11:59.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""The Future""" start="00:12:02.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So speaking of the future,""" start="00:12:02.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""is that like the demos I showed you are based on,""" start="00:12:07.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm using OpenAI 3.5 model.""" start="00:12:09.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's more than, well, no,""" start="00:12:13.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's like a year old basically at this point.""" start="00:12:16.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And things are moving fast.""" start="00:12:18.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They came out with 4.0.""" start="00:12:21.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""4.0 is significantly better.""" start="00:12:22.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't have access to it.""" start="00:12:23.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Even though I'm using the API and I'm paying money for it,""" start="00:12:24.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you only can get access to 4.0""" start="00:12:30.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you can spend a dollar.""" start="00:12:33.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I've never been able to spend,""" start="00:12:34.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""use so much API use that I've spent a dollar.""" start="00:12:36.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I have, I don't have 4.0, but I've tried it""" start="00:12:38.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I do pay for this""" start="00:12:44.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the difference is extremely significant.""" start="00:12:50.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I would not be surprised""" start="00:12:53.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""mostly went away with 4.0.""" start="00:12:59.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""no one knows how much this is going to play out""" start="00:13:22.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""before progress stalls,""" start="00:13:26.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""You're still seeing a lot of models coming out""" start="00:13:38.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""That will be each one, one upping the other one""" start="00:13:41.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in terms of quality.""" start="00:13:46.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It'll be really interesting to see how this all plays out.""" start="00:13:49.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think that message here is that""" start="00:13:52.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we're at the beginning here.""" start="00:13:55.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I think this is why we should be""" start="00:14:01.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Let's talk about the existing packages.""" start="00:14:08.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I think people have been integrating with""" start="00:14:13.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these LLMs that often have a relatively easy to use API.""" start="00:14:17.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it's kind of natural that people""" start="00:14:21.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Coming off this problem from a lot of different angles,""" start="00:14:25.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't have time to go through""" start="00:14:28.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""all of these packages.""" start="00:14:30.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""These are great packages though.""" start="00:14:31.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you're not familiar with them,""" start="00:14:33.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""kind of like the OpenAI's UI.""" start="00:14:59.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""you know, this stuff is very useful if it could figure out""" start="00:15:23.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what you're trying to do based on the context.""" start="00:15:27.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's quite effective.""" start="00:15:29.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I want to kind of call out one thing""" start="00:15:31.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I'd like to see change.""" start="00:15:36.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Which is that users right now,""" start="00:15:38.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""what LLM use.""" start="00:16:05.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is not good.""" start="00:16:06.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""where you don't get to see how they use their data.""" start="00:16:24.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Your data, really.""" start="00:16:27.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""where you might be sending over your documents.""" start="00:16:33.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You're just giving them your documents, basically.""" start="00:16:35.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And, you know, that does happen.""" start="00:16:37.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't think really that there's a reason""" start="00:16:40.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it actually goes to.""" start="00:17:30.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Does it go to OpenAI?""" start="00:17:31.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Does it go to Google Cloud Vertex?""" start="00:17:32.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Does it go to Llama on your machine?""" start="00:17:35.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We're using Ollama,""" start="00:17:37.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is just a way to run Llama locally.""" start="00:17:38.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And more things in the future, I hope.""" start="00:17:41.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this is, I'm hoping that we use this.""" start="00:17:47.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's designed to be sort of maximally usable.""" start="00:17:52.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You don't need to install anything.""" start="00:17:54.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's on GNU ELPA.""" start="00:17:56.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So even if you write something""" start="00:17:58.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you want to contribute to GNU ELPA,""" start="00:17:59.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can use it because it's on GNU ELPA.""" start="00:18:01.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's part of the Emacs package, Emacs core packages.""" start="00:18:02.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, but it has no functionality.""" start="00:18:06.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's really just there as a library""" start="00:18:09.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to use by other things offering functionality. Okay.""" start="00:18:11.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Abstracting LLM challenges""" start="00:18:15.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""And it's a little bit difficult to abstract.""" start="00:18:15.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to point this out""" start="00:18:19.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I think it's an important point""" start="00:18:21.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is that the, it's, some of these LLMs, for example,""" start="00:18:23.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have image generation.""" start="00:18:29.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Some do not.""" start="00:18:30.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Some of them have very large context windows, even for chat.""" start="00:18:31.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You say, okay, all these things can do chat.""" start="00:18:35.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:18:37.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, kind of.""" start="00:18:37.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Some of these things you could pass a book to,""" start="00:18:38.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like Anthropic's API.""" start="00:18:40.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Most, you cannot.""" start="00:18:41.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So there really are big differences""" start="00:18:43.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in how these things work.""" start="00:18:45.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I hope those differences diminish in the future.""" start="00:18:46.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But it's just one of the challenges""" start="00:18:51.540" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I hope we can work through in the LLM library.""" start="00:18:53.801" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it's compatible, but there's definitely""" start="00:18:57.521" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""limits to that compatibility.""" start="00:19:02.161" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Emacs is the ideal interface for LLMs""" start="00:19:04.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""I want to point out just to finish off,""" start="00:19:04.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs is the, Emacs has real power here""" start="00:19:06.161" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that nothing else I think in the industry is offering.""" start="00:19:12.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""First of all, people that use Emacs""" start="00:19:15.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tend to do a lot of things in Emacs.""" start="00:19:19.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have our to-dos in Emacs with the org mode.""" start="00:19:20.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have mail.""" start="00:19:22.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We, you know, we might read email and we might,""" start="00:19:23.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and respond to email in Emacs.""" start="00:19:25.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We might have notes in Emacs.""" start="00:19:27.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is very powerful.""" start="00:19:29.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Using... there's not other stuff like that.""" start="00:19:31.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you could feed this stuff to an LLM.""" start="00:19:34.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You could do interesting things""" start="00:19:35.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using a combination of all this data.""" start="00:19:37.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No one else could do this.""" start="00:19:38.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We need to start thinking about it.""" start="00:19:40.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Secondly, Emacs can execute commands.""" start="00:19:41.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This might be a bad idea.""" start="00:19:45.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This might be how the robots take over,""" start="00:19:46.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but you could have the LLMs respond with Emacs""" start="00:19:48.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""commands and run those Emacs commands""" start="00:19:51.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and tell the LLM the response and have it do things""" start="00:19:54.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as your agent in the editor.""" start="00:19:57.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think we need to explore ideas like this.""" start="00:19:58.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Outro""" start="00:20:01.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""And I think we need to share these ideas""" start="00:20:01.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we need to make sure that we're pushing the""" start="00:20:04.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""envelope for Emacs and actually, you know, doing things,""" start="00:20:07.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sharing ideas, sharing progress,""" start="00:20:10.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and kind of seeing how far we can push this stuff.""" start="00:20:12.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's really help Emacs out, be sort of,""" start="00:20:15.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""take advantage of this super powerful technique.""" start="00:20:20.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you for listening.""" start="00:20:24.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]



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[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. Hello, everyone.""" start="00:00:13.099" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think this is the start of the Q&A session.""" start="00:00:16.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So people can just ask me questions here.""" start="00:00:25.119" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Or I think maybe these questions are going to""" start="00:00:28.259" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be read by someone. Yes,""" start="00:00:30.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thank you. Should I start doing that?""" start="00:00:34.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I also know that there's questions in the""" start="00:00:39.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""either pad room, so I could start out""" start="00:00:41.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""answering those as well.""" start="00:00:42.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right, sure. Whichever way you prefer.""" start="00:00:45.020" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you prefer to read the questions yourself,""" start="00:00:46.860" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by all means, or if you would prefer me to""" start="00:00:48.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""read them to you, that also works.""" start="00:00:50.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, I see.""" start="00:00:50.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Why don't you read them to me?""" start="00:00:51.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think it'll just be more interesting then.""" start="00:00:53.260" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure. OK, let's see. The first question is,""" start="00:00:56.820" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what is your use case for embedding,""" start="00:00:58.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mainly for searching?""" start="00:01:00.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I mean, I think the use case really is""" start="00:01:06.180" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""searching. And I think it is very useful when""" start="00:01:12.100" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you're searching for something in a vague""" start="00:01:15.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""way. Just to give you an example,""" start="00:01:18.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have a note system called EKG.""" start="00:01:23.860" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I type all my notes on it.""" start="00:01:25.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can find it on GitHub and Melba.""" start="00:01:28.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I wrote something at some point a year""" start="00:01:34.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ago or something. I wrote something that I""" start="00:01:35.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just vaguely remembered.""" start="00:01:36.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Oh, this was about a certain kind of""" start="00:01:38.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""communication. I wanted communicating to""" start="00:01:41.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""large audiences. There's some interesting tip""" start="00:01:43.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I wrote down that was really cool.""" start="00:01:44.700" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I was like, well, I need to find it.""" start="00:01:49.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I did an embedding search for something""" start="00:01:52.260" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like, you know, tips for communicating.""" start="00:01:55.479" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like those words may not have been in what I""" start="00:01:58.979" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was trying to find at all,""" start="00:02:00.020" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But it was able to find it.""" start="00:02:02.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And that is something that's very hard to do""" start="00:02:05.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in other ways. Like, you know,""" start="00:02:07.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you had to do this with normal search,""" start="00:02:08.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have to do synonyms.""" start="00:02:09.199" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And like maybe those synonyms wouldn't cover""" start="00:02:10.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it. Like with embedding,""" start="00:02:11.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can basically get at like the vague""" start="00:02:13.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sentiment. You're like,""" start="00:02:14.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, you're, you know,""" start="00:02:17.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can really query on like what things are""" start="00:02:19.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about as opposed to what words they have.""" start="00:02:21.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also, it's super good for similarity search.""" start="00:02:25.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you could say, look,""" start="00:02:27.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have a bunch of things that are encoded""" start="00:02:30.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with embeddings that I want to show.""" start="00:02:31.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""every buffer. You'd be like,""" start="00:02:35.220" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""well, show me buffers that are similar to""" start="00:02:37.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this buffer. That doesn't sound super useful,""" start="00:02:38.740" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but this is the kind of thing you could do.""" start="00:02:40.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And so if you have a bunch of notes or""" start="00:02:45.300" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something else that you want to search on,""" start="00:02:46.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you'd be like, what's similar to this buffer?""" start="00:02:48.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Or what notes are similar to each other?""" start="00:02:51.500" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What buffers are similar to each other?""" start="00:02:53.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's super good for this sort of thing.""" start="00:02:55.380" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it's also good for this kind of retrieval""" start="00:03:00.780" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""augmented generation, where you sort of,""" start="00:03:03.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you retrieve things and the purpose is not""" start="00:03:05.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for you to see them, but then you pass that""" start="00:03:06.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to the LLM. And then it's able to be a little""" start="00:03:12.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""bit more accurate because it has the actual""" start="00:03:14.340" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""text that you're trying to,""" start="00:03:15.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that is relevant, and it can cite from and""" start="00:03:18.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""things like that. And then it could give you""" start="00:03:20.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a much better answer that's kind of,""" start="00:03:22.260" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, not just from its own little neural""" start="00:03:25.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""nets and memory.""" start="00:03:26.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool, thanks. Let's see,""" start="00:03:31.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""next question. What do you think about embed""" start="00:03:35.740" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs manual versus GPT's Emacs manual?""" start="00:03:40.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm not exactly sure what this question is""" start="00:03:45.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""trying to say. So I mean,""" start="00:03:46.980" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if someone wrote that and wants to expand on""" start="00:03:51.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it a little bit, but I think that maybe""" start="00:03:55.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you're saying like you could embed,""" start="00:03:58.420" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have embeddings for like various,""" start="00:04:00.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like every paragraph or something of the""" start="00:04:02.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs manual. But it's also the case that""" start="00:04:04.540" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like GPT is already for sure already read it,""" start="00:04:06.500" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""right? And so you could ask questions that""" start="00:04:09.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""part of the manual you want to find.""" start="00:04:15.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it will do a reasonably good job,""" start="00:04:19.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""especially the better models will do a""" start="00:04:22.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""reasonably good job of saying you something""" start="00:04:24.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that is vaguely accurate.""" start="00:04:26.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But if you do this retrieval augmented""" start="00:04:29.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""generation with embeddings,""" start="00:04:30.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can get something that is very accurate.""" start="00:04:32.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""At least I think. I haven't tried it,""" start="00:04:36.700" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but this is a technique that works in other""" start="00:04:38.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""similar cases. So you can also imagine like,""" start="00:04:43.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""oh, this whole thing I said,""" start="00:04:44.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like, oh, you can query for vague things and""" start="00:04:47.860" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""get parts of the manual,""" start="00:04:49.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""perhaps. I'm not exactly sure if that would""" start="00:04:52.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be useful, but maybe. Usually when I'm""" start="00:04:55.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""looking things up in the Emacs manual or""" start="00:04:57.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Elist manual, I have something extremely""" start="00:04:58.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""specific and I kind of know where to look.""" start="00:05:00.020" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""information is always good.""" start="00:05:04.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right. Looks like they added a clarification""" start="00:05:10.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you would like to read that yourself,""" start="00:05:12.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah. Yes, OK. It says,""" start="00:05:17.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've never tried. Yeah,""" start="00:05:20.460" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the question is like OK,""" start="00:05:21.500" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""personal use, it's just hard to spend any""" start="00:22:29.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""like give you, like tell you how you can make""" start="00:23:11.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""meth or how you can make a bomb,""" start="00:23:13.180" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I think it's a little bit dubious,""" start="00:23:52.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""like 5 minutes before it even started""" start="00:25:26.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""something. And it could be that like things""" start="00:25:32.220" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you everyone who listened.""" start="00:28:02.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""you""" start="00:28:30.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]]

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