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# Transcript


[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Fermin.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Today, I'm going to talk about the Emacsen family,""" start="00:00:03.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the design of an Emacs, and the importance of Lisp.""" start="00:00:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we're going to talk about Lisp.""" start="00:00:11.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to start from the end.""" start="00:00:13.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Why Lisp matters""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""The first question I want to ask is""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""why I think Lisp matters.""" start="00:00:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""When I'm talking about Lisp here,""" start="00:00:21.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm talking about the idea of Lisp,""" start="00:00:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so the family of languages that are Lisp.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But given that there's no formal specification of Lisp,""" start="00:00:30.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so the opinion might vary. I will expect that Lisp,""" start="00:00:34.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""most of the Lisp have these kind of features.""" start="00:00:40.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The first one is homoiconic:""" start="00:00:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the code is data, basically.""" start="00:00:46.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They also have a REPL: read-eval-print loop.""" start="00:00:49.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That is very powerful and can help in development.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also, I think a good Lisp""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should have a powerful macro system.""" start="00:01:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm good with compile-time macros,""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but read-time is also interesting.""" start="00:01:05.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's a lot of Lisp that you can choose.""" start="00:01:07.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's the main three ones, of course,""" start="00:01:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with Scheme, Common Lisp, and Clojure.""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Scheme by Guile, Common Lisp by Common Lisp,""" start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and Clojure by Clojure or ClojureScript.""" start="00:01:19.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Why Emacs Lisp was chosen""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So let's talk about Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I didn't mention Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm going to talk about why Emacs Lisp""" start="00:01:29.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was chosen for an Emacs editor.""" start="00:01:32.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We're going to explore this kind of design of the Emacs.""" start="00:01:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And Emacs Lisp is the main language of it. Why?""" start="00:01:39.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Given that there were a few alternatives at the time,""" start="00:01:42.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""why Emacs Lisp was chosen?""" start="00:01:44.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So RMS, Richard Stallman, needed a Lisp,""" start="00:01:48.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and there wasn't one available at the time.""" start="00:01:51.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Keep in mind, this was the early 80s.""" start="00:01:54.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Stallman was writing at that point the GCC, I think,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and he was writing the core components""" start="00:02:03.241" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of what is going to become GNU.""" start="00:02:07.975" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""He needed an editor. He wanted Lisp. He wanted Emacs.""" start="00:02:10.441" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So he wrote Emacs Lisp. So at that time,""" start="00:02:15.500" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the functionality was more important than &quot;perfection.&quot;""" start="00:02:20.281" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What I mean [by] &quot;perfection&quot; is: we programmers""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sometimes like to make everything good""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or very, very good when sometimes, indeed,""" start="00:02:33.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's more important that it works""" start="00:02:36.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to do the task that it should.""" start="00:02:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it's not a bad language.""" start="00:02:42.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not that bad. At that time, it was mostly nice.""" start="00:02:44.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Today, it's good enough, I think.""" start="00:02:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Other "Emacsen"""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""He wasn't the first one, the GNU Emacs,""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""nor the only one, of course.""" start="00:02:59.461" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There were others: Hemlock, Zmacs, and Climacs...""" start="00:03:02.541" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Two of them, I think, were written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:06.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and Zmacs was written in a Lisp from a Lisp machine,""" start="00:03:08.981" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so it was an implementation of Emacs.""" start="00:03:14.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Not GNU Emacs, but the original idea""" start="00:03:16.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of Emacs for a Lisp machine.""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So Hemlock was written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:22.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's no longer used and no longer developed,""" start="00:03:23.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as far as I know. And Climacs, it was developed,""" start="00:03:26.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it was abandoned, I think.""" start="00:03:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So three of them failed for different reasons.""" start="00:03:31.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Zmacs was because of the Lisp machine market crash,""" start="00:03:33.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and yeah, it also failed.""" start="00:03:37.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Why not Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So Emacs got alone. And in the 90s, interesting to explore,""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some people suggest that why""" start="00:03:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""now that we have a standard Lisp, right,""" start="00:03:46.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because Common Lisp was standardized in '94,""" start="00:03:49.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""why don't we change Emacs Lisp to Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""These are the other reasons I think are important,""" start="00:03:56.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because that's why Stallman didn't choose Common Lisp.""" start="00:03:59.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I think the main one""" start="00:04:01.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I didn't write here""" start="00:04:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is that Stallman wasn't a big fan of Common Lisp,""" start="00:04:03.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and he was at the time the main developer""" start="00:04:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and maintainer, of course, for Emacs.""" start="00:04:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So he chose not to move to Common Lisp.""" start="00:04:14.041" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But other reasons may be why...""" start="00:04:16.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Because he had a late and painful standardization.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Keep in mind, the first book that Guy Steele wrote""" start="00:04:22.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was in 1984. The standardization finished in 19--""" start="00:04:28.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sorry, in 1984 was the first book""" start="00:04:32.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the standardization finished in 1994.""" start="00:04:38.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, like, 10 years of difference from one to the other.""" start="00:04:44.421" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""10 years of a lot of talk, a lot of money,""" start="00:04:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and a lot of pain probably.""" start="00:04:51.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The Lisp usage declined in the 90s""" start="00:04:56.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""due to the AI winter.""" start="00:04:59.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We all know about the Lisp machine market crash.""" start="00:05:00.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And the failure of commercial Lisp machine was""" start="00:05:03.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inevitable at that point.""" start="00:05:08.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So all the potential Emacs friends died.""" start="00:05:12.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And also a lot of Emacs Lisp was already available.""" start="00:05:17.161" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs was already an amateur utility.""" start="00:05:21.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Unix won the war of the operating system, as we know,""" start="00:05:24.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and Emacs Lisp was available in Unix,""" start="00:05:29.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or in GNU/Linux, as we know,""" start="00:05:33.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is the most successful implementation of Unix.""" start="00:05:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sorry, BSD. Okay.""" start="00:05:40.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So Emacs won by being the &quot;better&quot; alternative.""" start="00:05:44.208" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm quoting &quot;better&quot; here because""" start="00:05:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think Emacs does have a better design""" start="00:05:50.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and, well, it was the one that survived, right?""" start="00:05:53.700" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Which is the more important thing for a software or,""" start="00:05:56.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know... So Emacs won by being free,""" start="00:06:00.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""also in price, which I think the Lisp machine wasn't.""" start="00:06:05.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So that was also very good. It was included.""" start="00:06:08.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It had, and it still has, of course,""" start="00:06:11.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a nice collection of packages""" start="00:06:14.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that improve the standard functionality.""" start="00:06:15.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It was easy to extend because of the nature of Lisp.""" start="00:06:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it has a very good integration with GNU/Linux,""" start="00:06:23.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of course. It was created to write it.""" start="00:06:26.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It makes sense that it's very good""" start="00:06:29.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for a system administration perspective.""" start="00:06:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""But I think Common Lisp is not dead yet.""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Or some people say that it's always dead,""" start="00:06:43.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so you cannot kill the something that is always dead.""" start="00:06:45.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I don't always code in C,""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but when I do, it's Lisp. I'm not a big fan of C""" start="00:06:50.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for a lot of things, but yeah.""" start="00:06:54.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Why I think Common Lisp is still relevant""" start="00:06:58.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and can be used for all kind of application,""" start="00:07:02.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""both commercially and non-commercially.""" start="00:07:05.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The first one is the main implementation""" start="00:07:09.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of Common Lisp, which is called SBCL, which is awesome.""" start="00:07:11.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's fast. It's a very good extension.""" start="00:07:16.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Basically, it's the reference one today.""" start="00:07:19.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The namespaces of common Lisp,""" start="00:07:21.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I really like the implementation.""" start="00:07:25.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Some people don't like it. It's a matter of taste.""" start="00:07:26.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I think it's really good.""" start="00:07:28.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have a timeless standard. So it was standardized""" start="00:07:29.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the 90s, as I said.""" start="00:07:32.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it doesn't really need a new standard.""" start="00:07:35.980" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Some people say it does need, but I don't think so.""" start="00:07:38.881" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also it does have macro readers,""" start="00:07:44.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I think is a very nice feature of Common Lisp""" start="00:07:46.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that other Lisp doesn't seem to have,""" start="00:07:49.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or a lot of them don't: in my mind, Emacs Lisp and Clojure.""" start="00:07:51.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also, it's image-based development,""" start="00:07:56.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is also quite unique to Common Lisp.""" start="00:07:58.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't know all the Lisp that does have this.""" start="00:08:00.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Basically, you develop a REPL""" start="00:08:04.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then you dump the entire REPL into an image.""" start="00:08:05.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Java would be like a core dump.""" start="00:08:10.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you create an executable.""" start="00:08:12.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Which at the time, I guess in the 90s,""" start="00:08:14.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was a huge one, right?""" start="00:08:17.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Because you have the entire language, and the REPL,""" start="00:08:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the code. But today are like 20 MB,""" start="00:08:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which in today's standard is nothing.""" start="00:08:23.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's pictures in your phone larger than 20 MB.""" start="00:08:26.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation""" start="00:08:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So there's a new Emacs in town--well, Emacs, not Emacs,""" start="00:08:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Which is Lem. I think it's a very good Emacs implementation.""" start="00:08:39.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What I mean by &quot;Emacs&quot; here is not a clone of GNU Emacs,""" start="00:08:43.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but an Emacs-inspired editor with similar characteristics,""" start="00:08:46.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and written in a Lisp,""" start="00:08:51.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is why I said that Lisp was very important.""" start="00:08:53.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Why not just use GNU Emacs?""" start="00:08:58.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So first, I'm going to address the elephant in the room,""" start="00:08:58.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the question that maybe most""" start="00:09:01.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of you are now thinking.""" start="00:09:05.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Why not just use GNU Emacs? It's the project.""" start="00:09:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's the main one, right? Why choose another one?""" start="00:09:12.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So Lem is relatively new, 2018.""" start="00:09:15.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it can explore different ideas.""" start="00:09:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It was developed by Sasaki-san.""" start="00:09:20.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Basically, it was mostly a one-month project,""" start="00:09:21.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but we are getting there. I'm not the maintainer.""" start="00:09:26.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm a developer of Lem. So given that it's""" start="00:09:31.941" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""relatively new, it can explore different ideas.""" start="00:09:36.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You're not bound to a community or backwards compatibility.""" start="00:09:39.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can explore different ideas,""" start="00:09:43.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I think that's always nice.""" start="00:09:45.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Having multiple options creates competition,""" start="00:09:46.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which benefits the community. So Emacs and Vim,""" start="00:09:49.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the competition between the two""" start="00:09:52.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""always create nice packages like evil or, you know...""" start="00:09:54.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's really good to have some kind of a competition,""" start="00:09:59.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""healthy competition.""" start="00:10:03.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it doesn't share any code base with GNU Emacs.""" start="00:10:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to clarify this because some people think that""" start="00:10:08.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lem is kind of a, you know, Spacemacs or Doom.""" start="00:10:12.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No, it doesn't share any code.""" start="00:10:16.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It has zero Emacs. So that's it.""" start="00:10:19.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Getting this out of the way.""" start="00:10:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Why I think Lem is interesting.""" start="00:10:29.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Why Lem""" start="00:10:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""I'm going to show why Lem.""" start="00:10:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Why? You can try Lem, and maybe you like it.""" start="00:10:32.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""First thing, these are the features""" start="00:10:37.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I really like from it.""" start="00:10:41.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Can be different from person to person,""" start="00:10:42.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I think these are the main ideas""" start="00:10:45.575" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it brings to the table and are really interesting.""" start="00:10:48.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to say that Lem is not a research project.""" start="00:10:50.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not like some people did that""" start="00:10:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it's still in development. No, no.""" start="00:10:55.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is a usable product that can be used""" start="00:10:57.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to [do] day-to-day programming""" start="00:11:00.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in a very good experience.""" start="00:11:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is not like--I want to clarify this""" start="00:11:04.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because some people bring some exploratory projects.""" start="00:11:06.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is not that one. This is finished.""" start="00:11:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, finished in the way that you can use it.""" start="00:11:10.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not, you know, have everything in place.""" start="00:11:14.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So let's continue.""" start="00:11:17.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's written 100% in Common Lisp.""" start="00:11:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I say this because Emacs is not""" start="00:11:22.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""100% in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:11:23.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You have to modify the C code,""" start="00:11:26.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think, well, if you... You don't have to,""" start="00:11:28.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but if you want to change the internals, you do.""" start="00:11:31.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think that given that Lem does not care""" start="00:11:34.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about the implementation of the language itself--""" start="00:11:38.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so for example, Lem doesn't have to deal with""" start="00:11:41.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how Common Lisp works, it just used the language, right?""" start="00:11:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's on top of the language.""" start="00:11:48.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can say that. Emacs Lisp is Emacs and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so you have to, you have both in the same place,""" start="00:11:53.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is, well, it's a double-edged sword, right?""" start="00:11:56.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Then you have the both--similar to Emacs--""" start="00:12:00.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have ncurses and SDL2 frontends.""" start="00:12:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""One is terminal-based and the other is graphical""" start="00:12:05.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using the SDL2 library,""" start="00:12:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which you can do a lot of crazy things.""" start="00:12:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Of course, it's meant to program games and stuff,""" start="00:12:13.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but Lem uses, and it works fairly well.""" start="00:12:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can program games if you want.""" start="00:12:19.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Not that you need to or anything, but we have Tetris.""" start="00:12:21.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So there's that.""" start="00:12:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also, separate front-end interface.""" start="00:12:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So like I said, you have two, but you can create more.""" start="00:12:31.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In the past, had an electron one,""" start="00:12:34.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it got abandoned for obvious reasons, I think. Sorry.""" start="00:12:36.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This idea is taken from Neovim that had a lot of frontends.""" start="00:12:41.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In fact, we don't have that many,""" start="00:12:45.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but not that many people we have two.""" start="00:12:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That works fairly well.""" start="00:12:49.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have superb development experience thanks to SLIME.""" start="00:12:51.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we have Micro,""" start="00:12:56.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is a SLIME version for Lem, basically.""" start="00:13:01.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""SLIME is awesome and Micro is also awesome.""" start="00:13:04.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have a very strong development experience""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we don't have for a Lisp,""" start="00:13:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I think is very important.""" start="00:13:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you want someone to develop packages or to use your tool,""" start="00:13:17.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""your Emacs at least,""" start="00:13:20.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you need to have a very good development experience,""" start="00:13:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which enhance the extensions for the editor.""" start="00:13:28.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we have also Vim-like integration.""" start="00:13:34.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This for me was mostly mandatory""" start="00:13:36.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I'm an evil-mode user, and I think it's really good.""" start="00:13:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Because evil-mode is very good and the VMode,""" start="00:13:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which it's called, even though it's more like Vim mode,""" start="00:13:49.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's called VMode. It's written by""" start="00:13:51.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Fukamachi-san and it's really good.""" start="00:13:54.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, that's the thing that I think Lem brings to""" start="00:13:59.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the table and that's really interesting.""" start="00:14:01.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Similarities and differences""" start="00:14:03.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So I'm going to do a small demo of Lem, a Emacs example.""" start="00:14:03.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""First, the similarities,""" start="00:14:10.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the nomenclature is very similar: modes, buffers,""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""commands... The commands are very similar in nature.""" start="00:14:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It was written with GNU Emacs in mind""" start="00:14:17.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to mimic a lot of things.""" start="00:14:20.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think GNU Emacs is the best Emacs implementation""" start="00:14:24.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in that way. So why not just take what is working, right?""" start="00:14:29.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have similar command,""" start="00:14:33.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but flexible to add other default ones.""" start="00:14:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not like Emacs that you have Emacs commands.""" start="00:14:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lem has Emacs command by default,""" start="00:14:42.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but you can easily change that""" start="00:14:45.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with other default ones, right?""" start="00:14:47.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's like, you can think of it like a major mode, right?""" start="00:14:49.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, more like a global mode,""" start="00:14:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sorry. That's a global mode of Emacs commands,""" start="00:14:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:14:57.961" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In general, the feeling is really close.""" start="00:14:59.361" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you will tell that it's really close to how both work,""" start="00:15:01.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""similar commands, and that shows.""" start="00:15:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Differences, Common Lisp is not Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:15:07.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's similar in the surface.""" start="00:15:12.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it uses `defun`, you know, have parentheses""" start="00:15:13.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and yada, yada, but it's not the same language, really,""" start="00:15:16.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and sometimes you will find""" start="00:15:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that the differences are substantial.""" start="00:15:20.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The internals are completely different,""" start="00:15:23.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of course, nothing, well, completely.""" start="00:15:24.860" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They have a buffer implementation and other things,""" start="00:15:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but in general, yeah, aside from that,""" start="00:15:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's completely different.""" start="00:15:32.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And it's true that GNU Emacs""" start="00:15:34.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""has a better documentation tutorial.""" start="00:15:36.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So GNU Emacs for me, I think it's""" start="00:15:37.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""one of the best-documented software ever.""" start="00:15:39.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We're trying to go there, but we're still not there.""" start="00:15:41.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:15:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Let's do the demo. So to open Lem, you compile it,""" start="00:15:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then you have it available,""" start="00:15:54.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and you open Lem. As you can see,""" start="00:15:55.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we have the temporary buffer. On the top left is the mode--""" start="00:15:57.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not mode,""" start="00:16:00.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the beam, insert, normal, visual. This is the V mode, right?""" start="00:16:03.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In the top right corner, we have fundamental,""" start="00:16:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is the major mode, then paredit,""" start="00:16:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is like the minor mode, but you know,""" start="00:16:11.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is like the paredit for Emacs.""" start="00:16:15.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In the top left buffer,""" start="00:16:16.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have the current buffer.""" start="00:16:19.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So let's open the... Emacs, we all know how to do this.""" start="00:16:22.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is a command, like explore this command,""" start="00:16:26.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like `open-init-file`. This opens the init file,""" start="00:16:29.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is in this directory, in `~/.lem/init.lisp`.""" start="00:16:31.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""As you can see, this is very similar, right?""" start="00:16:34.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You define a command, which is not interactive,""" start="00:16:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then you get the buffer, right?""" start="00:16:40.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is a... So my personal command...""" start="00:16:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's go to the one that I just opened. Init file, right?""" start="00:16:44.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this is a command that I did,""" start="00:16:48.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is `find-file`.""" start="00:16:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is very similar to [??], but just `find-file`.""" start="00:16:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""As you can see, very similar.""" start="00:16:56.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is the way that you program in Lem.""" start="00:16:58.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is the major mode, which is Lisp,""" start="00:17:01.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we're seeing at the top, right?""" start="00:17:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And we can connect if we `slime-self-connect`.""" start="00:17:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is the prompt. This is the REPL.""" start="00:17:10.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if we... Keep in mind that this is Common Lisp,""" start="00:17:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so this has different things.""" start="00:17:17.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we have to go to the Lem package,""" start="00:17:20.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is very important. This has namespaces, right?""" start="00:17:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not the same. And we can say, okay,""" start="00:17:26.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""`current-buffer`. We get the buffer.""" start="00:17:29.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can explore everything that is in it, right?""" start="00:17:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have all this stuff. This is... If you're familiar""" start="00:17:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with SLIME or Sly, this is it.""" start="00:17:38.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's just that we can say, buffer, I think it's `buffer-name`.""" start="00:17:41.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yes. And we can take this,""" start="00:17:46.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then we'll give you the name.""" start="00:17:49.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So as you can see, the development experience""" start="00:17:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is really powerful. We can also `lisp-scratch`,""" start="00:17:54.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which transform... basically apply""" start="00:17:57.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the major mode of Lisp to the temporary buffer.""" start="00:18:00.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is very similar to Emacs.""" start="00:18:02.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's go back to the theme. I think that's it.""" start="00:18:06.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you all very much for listening to me.""" start="00:18:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think I point out""" start="00:18:13.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the Emacsen family is really interesting.""" start="00:18:15.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lisp is really good, and GNU Emacs is really good,""" start="00:18:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I think Lem is also pretty awesome.""" start="00:18:19.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="00:18:21.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll be answering the question now. And happy hacking.""" start="00:18:23.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]



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# Q&A transcript (unedited)

[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Here.""" start="00:00:00.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Yeah. So thanks,""" start="00:00:05.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Fermin, for the great talk.""" start="00:00:06.279" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""People have questions,""" start="00:00:08.039" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""please post them on the pad or the IRC as""" start="00:00:12.179" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""well and we'll take them up.""" start="00:00:13.259" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""if you look it up. Yeah,""" start="00:00:48.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's really better. Thank you very much.""" start="00:00:50.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Checking, no questions.""" start="00:00:56.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Very good to be in touch.""" start="00:00:58.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Is LEM an acronym? I think it is,""" start="00:01:26.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""like, you know, a self-referencing,""" start="00:01:38.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, recursive name.""" start="00:01:41.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""It's like... Yeah, someone...""" start="00:01:45.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, someone asked about the DEM community,""" start="00:01:50.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I don't remember the acronym,""" start="00:01:58.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""So basically, we don't have a package manager""" start="00:02:33.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Ultralisp, which is like a,""" start="00:02:47.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I think every day you can get a package from""" start="00:02:58.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it's not yet, it doesn't have a user""" start="00:03:17.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interface to install packages.""" start="00:03:18.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Emacs, right? Everything is going to the core""" start="00:03:27.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""In the future, we probably will split it up""" start="00:03:32.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""long term. So we are a very small community,""" start="00:03:47.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mostly because Sasaki-san,""" start="00:03:51.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""are from Japan and some of them,""" start="00:03:57.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""language, most of the users are from Japan.""" start="00:04:06.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""which is Asaki-san, very good guy and a very,""" start="00:04:17.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""very talented developer.""" start="00:04:19.079" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""He doesn't like to, you know,""" start="00:04:21.779" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at first the project was all in Japanese,""" start="00:04:24.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""There are a few people,""" start="00:05:50.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""that. I can show... Sorry about that.""" start="00:07:12.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""well, you couldn't extend it if you don't""" start="00:08:22.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it. But we don't really...""" start="00:09:05.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We try to improve the development experience""" start="00:09:09.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""machine had. I'm going to try to do a thing""" start="00:09:21.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Oh, that was really bad.""" start="00:10:05.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""machine, nor any like of that.""" start="00:10:58.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""other than common, common,""" start="00:11:13.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that markets? Okay. So yes,""" start="00:11:16.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we do have, so I'm going to show the code""" start="00:11:18.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""we don't have yet too much external packages""" start="00:11:25.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""SkinnyMemax in that way.""" start="00:11:47.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""And we have something called a JIT,""" start="00:11:56.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is like a maggot.""" start="00:11:58.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""You can use not only for common lists.""" start="00:12:02.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In my configuration, which is written,""" start="00:12:06.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will post that later,""" start="00:12:11.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but if you go to my code burg you can see my""" start="00:12:15.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""which I do have. So for example you can use""" start="00:12:20.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it for a scheme. We have a swank server.""" start="00:12:22.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is the configuration to use it.""" start="00:12:24.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can use it for JavaScript because we have""" start="00:12:25.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a native LSP client written in.""" start="00:12:28.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And we have Dired. Yeah,""" start="00:12:29.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is Dired. We have Dired indeed.""" start="00:12:33.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No, it's not Dired, you know.""" start="00:12:35.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's called directory.""" start="00:12:36.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sasaki-san, which is the main maintainer,""" start="00:12:38.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""doesn't like to copy one-to-one Emacs names,""" start="00:12:43.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but we are the same. We also have projects,""" start="00:12:48.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""So, you know, they're very similar but not""" start="00:12:55.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the same. We also have a VI configuration,""" start="00:12:56.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as you can see. I'm using the VI commands and""" start="00:12:59.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I will say not as good as an evil because it""" start="00:13:03.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""but it's getting there.""" start="00:13:08.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we can also program in JavaScript and a""" start="00:13:13.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""lot of LSP things, and Elixir,""" start="00:13:16.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which was recently added by myself.""" start="00:13:18.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And yeah, it's very fun to add new modes.""" start="00:13:21.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Nix? Oh, so there's a big,""" start="00:13:34.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""list project were talking,""" start="00:13:40.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some of the users. So the 3 main projects are""" start="00:13:46.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""LEM, probably, Nixed, and then StamWM,""" start="00:13:49.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the 3 main, well, 3 big,""" start="00:13:52.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""emulate an Emacs experience in different""" start="00:13:57.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fields. 1 is Editor, the other 1 is Window""" start="00:14:00.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""browser. You can connect to Nix.""" start="00:14:14.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""versa. And you can send commands and you can,""" start="00:14:21.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so you have this kind of interoperability""" start="00:14:22.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""have 1 LEMNIX. That would be very sick.""" start="00:14:35.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I would love it. But the effort is just too""" start="00:14:39.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""much. Keep in mind we are a very small""" start="00:14:41.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""community. The LEM, like I said,""" start="00:14:44.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we are like 345 developers that write""" start="00:14:49.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""packages and answer questions and stuff.""" start="00:14:51.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Now we need users in that way to test things.""" start="00:14:55.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So what is the license of LEM?""" start="00:14:58.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The license of LEM is MAT.""" start="00:15:00.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have some components of all the various""" start="00:15:02.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""licenses, but the main 1 is MAT.""" start="00:15:04.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I didn't choose the license of it.""" start="00:15:07.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I would highly prefer a more like GPL 1,""" start="00:15:11.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but like I said I'm not a maintainer,""" start="00:15:13.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""This question, I realize,""" start="00:15:19.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how far is LEM from being able to remove a""" start="00:15:22.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""list libraries? OK, that's a big question""" start="00:15:26.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""indeed. And Funny enough,""" start="00:15:30.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""2 years ago in the EmacsConf,""" start="00:15:31.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""this. In fact, I'm talking with someone that""" start="00:15:44.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is trying to write like a Emacs Lisp""" start="00:15:46.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interpreter to work with them.""" start="00:15:48.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The thing is that Emaclist libraries,""" start="00:15:52.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so the API is just very different.""" start="00:15:55.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's the main problem.""" start="00:15:57.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's really the problem.""" start="00:15:58.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can, so you can, let me see.""" start="00:16:02.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, you can have an Emacs list buffer of LEM.""" start="00:16:13.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is an Emacs list rebel.""" start="00:16:15.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I wrote an LRSP client so you can connect to""" start="00:16:21.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs and send things and stuff.""" start="00:16:23.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""with LEM and work with both API will be a""" start="00:16:37.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""huge work. Very like, it's even if they share""" start="00:16:42.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""very similar thing, in fact,""" start="00:16:43.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""API in some places is very similar.""" start="00:16:46.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Down the line infrastructure,""" start="00:16:48.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so the code is, so it's completely different.""" start="00:16:52.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It will be very hard. We do have a clone of""" start="00:16:56.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maggot that works, more or less.""" start="00:16:58.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, it does work, but maggot's just better.""" start="00:17:01.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But it's getting there.""" start="00:17:03.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So like I said, we're trying to,""" start="00:17:05.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not to copy one-to-one,""" start="00:17:06.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but to adapting each tool to LEM.""" start="00:17:09.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How are LEM buffer designs similar to Emacs?""" start="00:17:13.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, that would be,""" start="00:17:19.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so how a blend buffer design,""" start="00:17:21.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""similar to Emacs. So similar in what way,""" start="00:17:24.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""actually with properties.""" start="00:17:26.319" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think that you've seen,""" start="00:17:29.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so you do have like a font lock,""" start="00:17:31.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""different kind of properties,""" start="00:17:32.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's not exactly how Emac does it with""" start="00:17:37.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""overlays and stuff. You can,""" start="00:17:41.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so if you're very interested,""" start="00:17:43.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't want to go too much deep into the,""" start="00:17:45.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""let me go to, I don't want to go too much""" start="00:17:51.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""deep into the technicality of things now,""" start="00:17:55.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but you can go. So LEM is written 100% in""" start="00:17:57.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Common Lisp. So if you know Common Lisp,""" start="00:18:00.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can go to buffer. You can check all the""" start="00:18:03.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""codes here. Always we have,""" start="00:18:08.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we also have this, which is like StreamX.""" start="00:18:12.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sorry to that, I don't.""" start="00:18:17.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yeah, So you can see.""" start="00:18:21.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, if you go to the code base,""" start="00:18:24.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maybe some of you can check this problem.""" start="00:18:26.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, not problem, but yeah.""" start="00:18:28.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's this Japanese comment.""" start="00:18:30.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can see here why it's very,""" start="00:18:35.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have to translate and stuff,""" start="00:18:38.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is sometimes a little bit annoying.""" start="00:18:39.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yeah, some of them are in English.""" start="00:18:44.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So this play is not the same.""" start="00:18:47.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if you're interested,""" start="00:18:48.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can go to the buffer and check it out for""" start="00:18:51.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""a different way. So the implementation is""" start="00:18:58.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""different that way. Oh,""" start="00:19:04.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: This module. Oh, this is very low.""" start="00:19:10.875" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: this is fairly low. What other things or""" start="00:19:12.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""experiences that I can show you?""" start="00:19:15.559" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just like you show you.""" start="00:19:15.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Any marks?""" start="00:19:18.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, very interesting question.""" start="00:19:32.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What are the things...""" start="00:19:34.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So that's interesting.""" start="00:19:37.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""you answered this. I talked briefly in the""" start="00:19:49.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Common Lisp in the way that Serious Software""" start="00:20:10.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Analysis is a very good uncle.""" start="00:20:11.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let me answer first the 1.""" start="00:20:18.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I like to extend it in Common Lisp.""" start="00:20:24.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I like the Common Lisp libraries.""" start="00:20:25.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I think them have a better design in""" start="00:20:30.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""terms of its 1 language,""" start="00:20:31.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I think is a nice strength.""" start="00:20:33.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like, 1 of the things that put me off when I""" start="00:20:36.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was using Emacs, I love to extend the editor""" start="00:20:38.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and to go inside and stuff.""" start="00:20:40.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And 1 of the things that I'm not a big fan of""" start="00:20:43.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""C. If you're a fan of C,""" start="00:20:44.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you will be very pleasant with finding C""" start="00:20:47.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""stuff, but I don't. So when I'm trying to""" start="00:20:50.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hack an Emacs and go inside the things,""" start="00:20:52.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will control C code.""" start="00:20:54.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's not that interactive as the Emaclist""" start="00:20:56.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""1, and that would be like a fuzzball for me.""" start="00:20:59.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I was always dreaming about that stuff,""" start="00:21:03.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""having like everything in 1 language.""" start="00:21:05.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The thing that LEM does to me is like it""" start="00:21:08.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""allows me to extend the editor to modify""" start="00:21:12.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""also, to modify in Common Lisp.""" start="00:21:14.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also, I like the language and technology.""" start="00:21:17.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's a bold thing, right?""" start="00:21:19.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's a world language that I love,""" start="00:21:21.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and Emacs that I love.""" start="00:21:23.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs, I'm a big fan of,""" start="00:21:25.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or a user of GNU Emacs.""" start="00:21:27.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And LEM is like Emacs plus Common Lisp,""" start="00:21:29.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but with a different design.""" start="00:21:30.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't want to, It's not a clone.""" start="00:21:32.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to get this very clear that LEM is not""" start="00:21:37.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a clone of Emacs. The sign is very different""" start="00:21:40.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in a lot of ways. But it's very inspired,""" start="00:21:43.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and that cannot be denied.""" start="00:21:44.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I can jump in for a second.""" start="00:21:48.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think we're like 15 minutes into the lunch""" start="00:21:51.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""break, but you're welcome to continue""" start="00:21:52.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""answering questions. But if anyone on the""" start="00:21:55.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""stream or folks want to go grab lunch,""" start="00:21:57.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""feel free to do that. I'm probably going to""" start="00:21:59.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""do that as well. But yeah,""" start="00:22:01.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can either continue keeping this on the""" start="00:22:03.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""stream, or if people would like to come join""" start="00:22:06.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""here on BigBlueButton and talk to Fermin,""" start="00:22:08.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like folks have already done that,""" start="00:22:11.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""yeah, you're welcome to.""" start="00:22:12.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, go ahead. No problem.""" start="00:22:14.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you, Vitaliy.""" start="00:22:16.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Cheers. Cheers. So finishing the answer to""" start="00:22:25.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the question, I think LEM does tries to fix""" start="00:22:30.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some Emacs problems, can we fix problems""" start="00:22:31.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""regarding the internal API,""" start="00:22:35.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which makes sense, right?""" start="00:22:37.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs have like 40 years,""" start="00:22:39.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is a lot. And yeah,""" start="00:22:42.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is, that's what makes me happy.""" start="00:22:44.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I use both now. I use Maggis and Emacs for""" start="00:22:47.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some languages and then I use LEM for Common""" start="00:22:50.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lisp and other languages.""" start="00:22:51.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can also use LEM for EmacLisp,""" start="00:22:55.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which makes LEM the second best editor for""" start="00:22:59.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""EmacLisp. It was a funny thing to do.""" start="00:23:02.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""OK, so do you think LEM will continue to have""" start="00:23:05.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a lot of Japanese documentation?""" start="00:23:06.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So there's not that many Japanese""" start="00:23:11.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""documentation, really.""" start="00:23:12.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So there's a few comments here and there,""" start="00:23:18.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's not full. We have a web page with a""" start="00:23:20.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""lot of documentation in English.""" start="00:23:22.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you can take a look at that.""" start="00:23:25.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But we do have to improve the documentation""" start="00:23:29.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and translate it to English.""" start="00:23:30.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sasaki-san is up to it,""" start="00:23:32.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but he just doesn't feel that comfortable""" start="00:23:35.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""translating it himself.""" start="00:23:36.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah.""" start="00:23:38.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: So, this is Peter on BigBlueWem.""" start="00:23:42.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, it's neat that Wem even exists,""" start="00:23:49.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because there's always chatter on the Emacs""" start="00:23:55.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mailing list to rewrite Emacs and some other""" start="00:23:58.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""language. And to see that it's already to see""" start="00:24:03.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I mean, you have an implementation""" start="00:24:05.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sitting there and, and the thing I was""" start="00:24:08.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""wondering while I was listening in on the,""" start="00:24:10.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on the Q and A was do you have Dured?""" start="00:24:14.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Do you have Maggot? And some,""" start="00:24:15.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""somebody else wrote that question into,""" start="00:24:17.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into Etherpad. But I was happy to see that""" start="00:24:20.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have Dured or something like it""" start="00:24:22.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implemented. Because I think that's like the,""" start="00:24:24.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for me, that's the most important thing in""" start="00:24:27.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs because that gets me around in my""" start="00:24:30.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: BRODINKOVICH Yeah, for me too.""" start="00:24:35.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For me too.""" start="00:24:35.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Go ahead.""" start="00:24:37.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: system. VICTOR Sorry. Yeah,""" start="00:24:37.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I may try it out sometime,""" start="00:24:39.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but probably won't be for like 3 or 6 months,""" start="00:24:42.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because there's always a backlog of other""" start="00:24:45.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""things to try out.""" start="00:24:46.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I'm the 1 who wrote that question.""" start="00:24:49.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And do you use, I think you have bookmarks""" start="00:24:54.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and registers, I imagine,""" start="00:24:55.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""right?""" start="00:24:55.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I think you have. I never tried bookmarks""" start="00:24:59.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I don't use it that much.""" start="00:25:01.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I think you have something like that.""" start="00:25:02.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, I don't. There's a few features that""" start="00:25:05.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't know about them because I don't use""" start="00:25:07.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it much. Some features,""" start="00:25:08.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean. But yeah, I think you have.""" start="00:25:11.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let me check. We can check,""" start="00:25:13.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""probably. Things in extensions,""" start="00:25:16.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just directory. VNXT. Directory mode.""" start="00:25:23.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So there is. So this is the Tyrant's friend.""" start="00:25:28.950" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I won't say clone. Very inspired.""" start="00:25:31.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: What about like on the note-taking front,""" start="00:25:36.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like org mode,""" start="00:25:38.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You know. note... Yes,""" start="00:25:41.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so... EMMS... Yes, so someone did some MMS.""" start="00:25:50.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So not MMS, not much. So package for LEM that""" start="00:25:58.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is now in a pull request,""" start="00:26:00.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think. But yeah, no.""" start="00:26:03.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The thing is I don't use R mode that much.""" start="00:26:06.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We don't have a heavy R mode user to provide""" start="00:26:11.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some major mode and stuff.""" start="00:26:15.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So we don't have that implemented yet.""" start="00:26:18.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The thing is, my plans for,""" start="00:26:20.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do have plans for our mode.""" start="00:26:22.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They're a little bit evil,""" start="00:26:24.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but there's plans for it.""" start="00:26:26.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I'm planning to use,""" start="00:26:27.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so rewriting our mode is a big task that I""" start="00:26:30.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""don't want to do. So I'm going to use Emacs""" start="00:26:34.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for our mode in 2.11. I wrote a recipe,""" start="00:26:39.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""no, a remote procedural RPC that I'm using""" start="00:26:45.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for the Red Bull and stuff.""" start="00:26:46.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I'm planning to have an Emacs Puppet to""" start="00:26:51.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""provide me the functionality for Org Mode.""" start="00:26:54.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I know for me, when I write notes,""" start="00:26:59.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I like to note more than Org Roam just""" start="00:27:01.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I feel Org Mode is great and all,""" start="00:27:06.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but if all my notes are in it,""" start="00:27:08.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I kind of feel trapped by it.""" start="00:27:10.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I did the talk journaling in KOutline,""" start="00:27:14.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I like that package better for some""" start="00:27:17.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""things and it's like if I want to put like""" start="00:27:21.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the tags on PDF file names and so it's like""" start="00:27:24.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, it's great and all but it's also Is""" start="00:27:28.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that part of the motivation of wanting to use""" start="00:27:31.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""lamb is so you feel less entrapped by emacs""" start="00:27:34.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No, I will say I don't no.""" start="00:27:38.445" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: No, no. I was very happy trapping to Emacs.""" start="00:27:40.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""To be fair. The thing is I don't use Hormel""" start="00:27:47.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that much. That's just the reality.""" start="00:27:48.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode for me is a very good markup""" start="00:27:52.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""language, but not that much really.""" start="00:27:54.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I know that Org Mode has a lot of people and""" start="00:27:56.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's used by a lot of people.""" start="00:27:58.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And there's very interesting packages.""" start="00:28:00.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: What about org mode versus markdown versus""" start="00:28:03.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""plain text versus latex then?""" start="00:28:05.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I like org mode because of the Emacs""" start="00:28:08.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""functionality. I think if you take that away,""" start="00:28:10.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you plain or mode versus Markdown,""" start="00:28:15.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't think there's that much difference,""" start="00:28:17.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you take the Emacs functionality away.""" start="00:28:19.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I like the""" start="00:28:24.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah. Emacs syntax more than Markdown.""" start="00:28:27.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like, for instance, you have the double""" start="00:28:29.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""square brackets, which is simpler for me to""" start="00:28:31.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""look at, but.""" start="00:28:32.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, I guess it's a matter of,""" start="00:28:35.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, we don't have yet a major mode of R""" start="00:28:38.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mode, which will be quite trivial.""" start="00:28:39.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, you know, a simple syntax highlights,""" start="00:28:42.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, R mode in LEM,""" start="00:28:46.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because no 1 wrote it.""" start="00:28:52.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, that's the way with this project,""" start="00:28:55.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""right? If you need people to be motivated to""" start="00:29:00.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""do that. And with LEM,""" start="00:29:04.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""someone asked about the Japanese.""" start="00:29:06.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think they're interested about that.""" start="00:29:11.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""LEM does have a thing,""" start="00:29:15.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: If the it would be good.""" start="00:29:16.030" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I'd be able to do more,""" start="00:29:16.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but that's what I""" start="00:29:18.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: was doing.""" start="00:29:19.370" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: they think True. So, for example,""" start="00:29:22.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we're using another big fan of...""" start="00:29:24.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, I know that the main people that may""" start="00:29:27.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""use in the future LEM are EMACLIS people.""" start="00:29:30.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""A lot of them. It's very similar.""" start="00:29:33.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And Sasaki-san and the LEM community mainly""" start="00:29:37.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""uses Discord for chat and stuff.""" start="00:29:43.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, we do have matrix,""" start="00:29:46.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I should connect to it,""" start="00:29:48.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by the way. But we mainly use Discord,""" start="00:29:54.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I don't think is a good thing.""" start="00:29:58.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mean, to have the main communication""" start="00:30:01.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""channels, Discord. Because,""" start="00:30:05.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""well, it's Discord. It's a closed source""" start="00:30:09.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""application that is easy for some people,""" start="00:30:13.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but for some people it's a tailbreak.""" start="00:30:14.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: are in""" start="00:30:17.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Especially people that the Emacs community""" start="00:30:17.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that very like free software.""" start="00:30:20.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: The only good thing about Molesley is it's""" start="00:30:22.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""popular, but as soon as you break out of that""" start="00:30:26.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mold, all of a sudden it becomes a lot""" start="00:30:28.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""harder. For instance, they don't have...""" start="00:30:30.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All the third-party clients are unofficial""" start="00:30:33.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and according to their terms of service they""" start="00:30:37.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can just can you. Which is not a nice""" start="00:30:40.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""position to be in if you're trying to use it""" start="00:30:44.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and you wanted to be a moderator using some""" start="00:30:47.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""side tools that weren't Discord.""" start="00:30:50.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I agree 100% and in fact I'm not a big fan,""" start="00:30:55.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't like Discord.""" start="00:30:56.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: You mentioned the RPC you did between Emacs""" start="00:31:03.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the LEM. Do you have it published""" start="00:31:06.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""somewhere?""" start="00:31:06.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yes, it's in the LEM project.""" start="00:31:13.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll copy that in the chat.""" start="00:31:15.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Okay, because I'm always interested in how""" start="00:31:19.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you do like the communication with other""" start="00:31:21.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""programs with Emacs because that's""" start="00:31:24.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interesting.""" start="00:31:24.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I'm only using the porthole package,""" start="00:31:30.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm not writing it from scratch,""" start="00:31:32.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not that much as a developer.""" start="00:31:34.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: So I don't know this package.""" start="00:31:37.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Maybe that's the thing I can learn.""" start="00:31:39.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh yeah, probably if you,""" start="00:31:40.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""yeah. Yeah. If you want to,""" start="00:31:42.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I didn't see this 1,""" start="00:31:43.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this package for the RSP,""" start="00:31:46.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which make is monthly automatically.""" start="00:31:48.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: And how do you do, how do you plan to""" start="00:31:53.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""integrate Org Mode? Because Org Mode needs to""" start="00:31:59.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""work on.""" start="00:31:59.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: This way? Yes, so I'm planning to have like a""" start="00:32:03.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs puppet and to have like a clone buffer""" start="00:32:08.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from the buffer that you do in LEM and then""" start="00:32:11.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the command sent into the Emacs hidden buffer""" start="00:32:16.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then the changes go back to LEM to change""" start="00:32:19.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the buffer of LEM. That's my idea.""" start="00:32:22.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Okay, that's all. It's interesting.""" start="00:32:24.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Would be interesting to see what comes from""" start="00:32:28.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it.""" start="00:32:28.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: It's a bit, it's a hackish 100%.""" start="00:32:32.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not, you have to duplicate the""" start="00:32:35.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""information and stuff,""" start="00:32:36.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is, oh, by the way,""" start="00:32:38.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm going to pass the Lemington,""" start="00:32:40.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is the name of the RSP clone.""" start="00:32:43.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sorry, the integration with Emacs,""" start="00:32:45.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is LEM with a mustache.""" start="00:32:48.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: They had good news where it would do the same""" start="00:32:54.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thing, where it would open up a slave Emacs,""" start="00:32:56.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because it was such a performance hog for""" start="00:33:00.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""retrieving all the emails.""" start="00:33:02.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: No. I mean, Emacs have a server,""" start="00:33:06.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""right? I can, in fact,""" start="00:33:08.559" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm using that for, I'm already puppeting.""" start="00:33:11.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, not puppeting. I'm already using""" start="00:33:13.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Maggots. So I have this.""" start="00:33:15.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Actually, let me copy.""" start="00:33:17.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have this, which is usually a little bit,""" start="00:33:25.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm launching the Emacs daemon and then I'm""" start="00:33:28.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""launching Leviton. And then this is the kill""" start="00:33:31.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and this is the status,""" start="00:33:32.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is basically saying,""" start="00:33:33.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""run this and this is this,""" start="00:33:36.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is run maggot in this file.""" start="00:33:42.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you put it side by side,""" start="00:33:43.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you will check instantly that this is the""" start="00:33:48.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""buffer directory, LEM home,""" start="00:33:50.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then the current file.""" start="00:33:54.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Because I'm launching it with the file.""" start="00:33:58.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So buffer directory, which is the directory""" start="00:34:03.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the buffer. So I'm already using maggot as""" start="00:34:09.239" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a tool outside of LEM,""" start="00:34:13.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I really like maggot.""" start="00:34:14.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And this is very easy to check.""" start="00:34:16.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Launch Emacs daemon. Okay.""" start="00:34:22.719" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then I go to local projects.""" start="00:34:28.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's go to another 1 that is not LEM.""" start="00:34:31.719" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: You actually have weird ideas like running it""" start="00:34:37.199" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in daemon mode so you don't ever have to""" start="00:34:39.639" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""restart it or the images,""" start="00:34:40.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I guess, that LEM has.""" start="00:34:43.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: LEM does not have this kind of,""" start="00:34:46.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will call it, it doesn't have like a demon""" start="00:34:53.719" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mode, so you have control separately,""" start="00:34:56.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but keep in mind that LEM,""" start="00:34:58.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's a common list program.""" start="00:35:01.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if you use slime or Sly,""" start="00:35:03.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can easily connect to them to hack on it.""" start="00:35:10.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: ever use that functionality,""" start="00:35:12.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like using it from another computer?""" start="00:35:14.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Do you Another computer,""" start="00:35:16.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think the same computer,""" start="00:35:17.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or maybe Sage, but yeah,""" start="00:35:21.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's very...""" start="00:35:21.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Or from like your window,""" start="00:35:24.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you were using the window...""" start="00:35:26.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can't remember the name of the window""" start="00:35:28.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""manager. Or if you were using...""" start="00:35:30.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What? Yeah, yeah. Or using like stump,""" start="00:35:36.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""calling it from like stump WM or how often do""" start="00:35:40.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you use that REPL?""" start="00:35:41.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: SPCL? No. ThumbWM? I use it quite a lot.""" start="00:35:43.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I connect to a museum,""" start="00:35:44.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some WM right now, and I use LEM to connect""" start="00:35:49.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to it, but I was using Emacs before.""" start="00:35:52.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And you can use Sly or Slime to connect to""" start="00:35:55.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""LEM. So the thing that is in Common List""" start="00:35:58.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""makes it this kind of already out-of-the-box""" start="00:36:00.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""connectivity between different...""" start="00:36:04.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: How many window managers have you used?""" start="00:36:06.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've used that before.""" start="00:36:11.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've also used, like right now I'm using""" start="00:36:13.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sway. I've used Xmonad,""" start="00:36:14.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""DWM.""" start="00:36:16.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: This is awesome. What is the other 1?""" start="00:36:23.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can't remember the name.""" start="00:36:25.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But it was like a few years ago.""" start="00:36:27.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've been doing some DWM for like the last""" start="00:36:30.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I remember that. Go ahead.""" start="00:36:36.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: year, I think. Or 3. know,""" start="00:36:37.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's that I was... I don't know.""" start="00:36:41.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I don't a couple""" start="00:36:43.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I'd like to have of days of my...""" start="00:36:44.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I remember that that window manager seemed to""" start="00:36:48.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have some unique ideas that weren't""" start="00:36:53.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""necessarily available on like EWM and XMLNAD.""" start="00:36:56.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: So SoundLM, it's an interesting project.""" start="00:37:02.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But for example, I'll change...""" start="00:37:05.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I don't have in this computer,""" start="00:37:06.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but in my other computer,""" start="00:37:08.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I change the mod line or bar,""" start="00:37:13.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""top bar, whatever, because the ThunderLVM""" start="00:37:18.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""doesn't only update it when you click,""" start="00:37:21.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or you do some events or happen 1 minute.""" start="00:37:25.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you can see here, this is not changing""" start="00:37:27.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""until I click.""" start="00:37:28.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: That's it.""" start="00:37:33.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: AUDIENCE 1 Matthew, sorry.""" start="00:37:34.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have a quick question for Matthew.""" start="00:37:36.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So is your talk going to be posted or did you""" start="00:37:43.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Go ahead. I gave them a recording.""" start="00:37:47.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""My talk was the K outline for journaling""" start="00:37:50.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: give it live? right right it was I woke up""" start="00:37:53.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""too late for it Sorry,""" start="00:37:54.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I came in and I just saw Bob Weiner""" start="00:37:58.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""answering questions So is your talk going to""" start="00:38:03.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be on the page for your talk?""" start="00:38:06.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't""" start="00:38:07.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: see it there.""" start="00:38:08.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I could give you a link to it,""" start="00:38:11.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I had, I hosted it on Mega to give it""" start="00:38:17.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to them, because when I emailed it,""" start="00:38:18.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Oh, okay. Is it""" start="00:38:22.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: it didn't work. on a monkey?""" start="00:38:22.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Download and watch it.""" start="00:38:23.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm probably going to post it on YouTube""" start="00:38:29.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""later. I, I had my face record with it,""" start="00:38:33.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I never got it edited together in time""" start="00:38:36.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Okay, if you could if you can put the link""" start="00:38:40.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""onto the onto the ether pad or something or""" start="00:38:43.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""onto the wiki then then I can find it and""" start="00:38:46.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""check it out. All right,""" start="00:38:49.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""node-taking editor. More like an integrated""" start="00:39:40.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Ormode, which is the killer feature,""" start="00:40:00.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""maintain the remote. I'm sorry,""" start="00:40:22.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll pothole the USB. I'm only using it on""" start="00:40:27.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""You don't know how nice those things are""" start="00:42:15.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Also I was using RoFi,""" start="00:42:24.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""mentioning is that also,""" start="00:42:31.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""sudden your mental model on how your computer""" start="00:42:47.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Emacs users Know what that is like Especially""" start="00:42:57.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""window manager is scary.""" start="00:43:18.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""regards, using Emacs for window manager.""" start="00:43:27.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I've used it before I found that it wasn't as""" start="00:43:34.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""yeah. The thing, yeah,""" start="00:44:04.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: You'll still get the paper cuts,""" start="00:44:08.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""great. I'm not a person,""" start="00:44:16.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like, I don't want to have...""" start="00:44:17.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Not with LEM or Emacs.""" start="00:44:19.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I like to have different programs.""" start="00:44:22.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't want to like, I never was in like""" start="00:44:25.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""but only Emacs? No, no,""" start="00:44:33.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Emacs is my OS. Some people are,""" start="00:44:45.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is good. Different kind of a...""" start="00:44:48.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have to say that I come from Vim,""" start="00:44:51.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like a long time ago. But I come from Vim,""" start="00:44:57.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""And I maybe have this kind of a...""" start="00:45:00.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it's... I like it because it's common Lisp,""" start="00:45:10.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""this, I removed this. So I'm using another""" start="00:45:18.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""You have a frame. You have this window,""" start="00:45:33.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, I've used it before.""" start="00:45:37.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That was definitely weird.""" start="00:45:39.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Can't you duplicate windows?""" start="00:45:46.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Show the same window in 2 frames?""" start="00:45:48.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I don't know. Never tried that,""" start="00:45:57.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to be honest. Let me check.""" start="00:46:01.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""discord or your browser?""" start="00:46:25.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Could you open that in both your frames?""" start="00:46:26.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: browser I never occurred to me that,""" start="00:46:42.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: in DWM? You can't do that in XMLNet,""" start="00:46:46.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""you'd have to do to get to be able to do that""" start="00:46:50.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I never tried. Maybe you can?""" start="00:46:57.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Never use floating windows,""" start="00:47:09.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but normal windows. You know,""" start="00:47:13.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not. And SoundWM does have a weird support""" start="00:47:17.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for it. Now it works. But I don't like it.""" start="00:47:24.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For me, it was a little bit rough,""" start="00:47:26.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the use of floating windows in SoundWM.""" start="00:47:29.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I think, but yeah, I don't use it so...""" start="00:47:36.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Wild West. Yeah. Like,""" start="00:47:56.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with Emacs, I know, I'll generally get,""" start="00:47:58.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I had to do a, so the automatic installer""" start="00:48:21.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""for, for LEM. I was thinking of doing in bash""" start="00:48:30.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""You can put a script and it will create your""" start="00:48:40.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""own script.""" start="00:48:41.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: 1 of the main people behind Next,""" start="00:48:45.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""replacement for a shell.""" start="00:48:51.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yes, it was... I know him.""" start="00:48:58.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I know that he exists.""" start="00:49:00.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Next, I think it's a main maintainer of Nix,""" start="00:49:04.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, although his website's kind of,""" start="00:49:09.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think he took it down.""" start="00:49:10.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it weaker at all, though.""" start="00:53:04.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""would be like using Next to scrape websites,""" start="00:56:09.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Oh, interesting.""" start="01:01:44.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""collector talk, which is interesting.""" start="01:07:27.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the Emacs conf and to watch me.""" start="01:08:02.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="01:08:06.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm going to go do that.""" start="01:08:09.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: See you.""" start="01:08:10.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]

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