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you are now unmuted

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okay can you guys hear me yeah

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can you guys hear me sir yep i can and

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we're live so take it away okay

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so um hello everyone my name is ferming

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i'm a programmer

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a math student from spain i've been

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using me e-max for

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two years now more or less and today i'm

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going to talk about

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a maxima computer algebra system in 2

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max

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so let's talk about what is maxima

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well maxim is a system for manipulation

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of symbolic and numerical expression

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and it's similar in some regard to

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octave

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and it's also free software is derived

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from the maxima from the 60 from the m80

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and it's written in common lisp which is

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a language that i really

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like i enjoy writing it so for me it's a

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plus

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okay so let's talk about the initial

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support for maxima when i first started

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using it i looked for support into emacs

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and i found that

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there's two major modes in the main

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repository of maxima

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for remax the first one is imaxima which

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i don't know too much about it

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and the second one is maxima dot l which

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is the one i took first

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and it was pretty nice has like a major

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mode a minor mode

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a nice ripple but it also has some

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disadvantage

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and the first one is that is quite

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outdated i think

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it was from the 2007

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so it's not tested with the current

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email version and the second one

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is that it doesn't use modern e-max

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capability

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i'm talking for example about the last

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or more latex preview

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from the last a max 27.1 i think

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and that's why is that they know

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integrated with common third party

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extension i'm talking about company for

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example third party

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yeah you know the alpa melba packages

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so uh this stock is going to be divided

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in two parts the first one is going to

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be how i maximize my date today

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in max exercise don't worry it's going

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to be

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quite easy and the second one is going

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to be why for the package

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and the list improvement that i did and

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a couple of things more maybe the future

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and where's the package right now if you

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can use it so

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let's talk about the workflow so right

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out of the box it has like an

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orimal support i didn't write this it

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was already

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in emacs

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so that's pretty nice let's go with a

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simple example

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okay so this is an array of three

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equations and three variables

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so it's a system that can be solved and

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the solution is unique

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um so we're going to solve it right

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let's go

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solutions okay here's how you define a

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variable

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in it's called solve okay

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it's called implicit explicit

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sorry okay and now an array of

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our variables actually okay

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so first of all we have to send this

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variable to the maxima

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repo with we can do that with ctrl c

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control c

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or with the maxima send line

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okay so let's um let's put the maxima

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buffer right here

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okay let's so um

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right now we can get the solution like

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this so we call already

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uh we call this line right now control

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sequence to c

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as you can see we get like an array

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inside an array because

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uh let's see why we get this so we can

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call maxima

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help a point this will open a

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dock um buffer with all information

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about the

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solve function so we can see that this

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list of solution equations

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you can see it okay so but we no we know

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that this system only have one solution

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so we're only interested in the first

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one we can do this like pretty easily

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just to take the first one

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we can send it to the buffer so this is

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quite easy example as you can see

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they have to completion much of the help

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facilities that we have

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we can also get information about the

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symbol for example maxima

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symbol doc and we get in the and now you

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can see

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correctly in the mini buffer all the

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possible

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um parameter of the function

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right so let's continue

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okay so let's go to a more well

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complicated example to say oops

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okay so we have this

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equation and we want to go from -1 to 5

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i want to show in a nice

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graph right first of all we begin

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sending this line to the

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maxima ripple hold it button again

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okay um so this is not ideal if you want

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to write down this equation because

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it's quite messy what is when so

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uh what's thing are where so we can call

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the function maxima

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let's say insert form okay

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and this is more easy this basically put

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text behind

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and led or mode to render it and this is

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quite easy to

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write down you can use it like in every

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expression so um first we have to call a

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library

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let's load the library library draw

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we have also completion for local

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variable and local

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libraries sorry let me try to finish

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draw okay and we send the line

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so right now we have a leverage and we

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should even have auto completion for the

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library function

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okay we have let's call draw2d

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and now we can call implicit we should

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have

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okay and we can i mean put the variable

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of equations we put the first variable d

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minus

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five d five five

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the v variable the minus five and the

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five

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okay it should be all all good so let me

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try to send it

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okay you cannot see it right now because

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i'm just sharing the maxima screen let

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me try to change that

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okay um

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okay can you plot hello

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okay so this is basically the graph that

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i can upload generates

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uh right now it's not integrated into

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into the maximum package but it's a work

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in progress

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so let's go back to emacs

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uh where are you okay there you are okay

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okay so um

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let's continue so uh this is some of the

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things that you can use

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for your day-to-day programming in

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maxima

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let's go now with the

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okay as you can see this is just text

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that is render

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okay let's go within a slide this is how

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i use maxima a simple example you don't

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want to

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talk too much about it because everyone

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use the package in a different way

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so right now i'm going to talk about the

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original package and

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the way i change it right so the

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documentation

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of the original was great but for me it

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wasn't embedded in the code

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it was something sometimes hard to read

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like it was like a big

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chunk of comment it gave me all the

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information

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like um for me that's too much i prefer

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a cohesive small comment and then a big

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redmi will order

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all the links and information so that's

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one of the first thing i

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change um then also completion i'm a big

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fan

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i'm used to slime so i'm i love

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great auto completion so um the first

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thing that i noticed that well

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it uses an absolute function i don't

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know if you can see correctly okay

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comment dynamic is deprecated and it

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also have like this

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variable which is maximus symbol which

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is basically a big

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list of all the possible completions so

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if i load the library it's not aware of

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the new symbols or even if i

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create a variable it's not loaded so

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it's not dynamic

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so i want the first thing i want is

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dynamic completion right

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so i improve it which wasn't that hard

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i first of all create maximum completion

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which we're going to see in a moment

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and then it changes completion region so

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this is the

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improved version but the good thing is

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like i decoupled the completion function

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so i make that you can use it on your

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own so you get a prefix

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which is um like

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the thing that you're going to also

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complete you get the inferior process

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which i'm going to talk about later but

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basically it's a maxima process you can

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work with

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and you get an optional argument which

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is fuzzy finding

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okay so you can easily send a block here

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what

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uh with the propos which is a maxima

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command that gets you

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all the auto completion and then you

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process the

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the output and you return a list

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of possible completion this function can

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be easily put into

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company as you can see you just

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get maximum auxiliary inferior process

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is a process that just

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uses sorry i have of

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all the apropos and the get that symbol

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it's like uh

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like you say auxiliary let's help me uh

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for that dirty stuff

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so and process manipulation let's talk

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about

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how the maxima process was in the

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beginning

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so at first it was just one process and

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you send all of the things there

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and you move the processor here and

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there and

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there was a global state right so all

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the function depends on

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variable global variables and i don't

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like that approach i prefer more like a

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shirt to say functional like you sense

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one of things and you return

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something so it's not like a void

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function so to say

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so i change it recipe uh well this is

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the maxima start function now

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let's just create a startup process with

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this function which is maxima make

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inferior

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so this function just gets a name

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and it return a process of maxima and

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you can then manipulate it the way you

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want

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let's see a better version so this is

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the opposite right this

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remove an inferior process and delete

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the process and kill the buffer

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right so let's give an example because

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this you can see pretty easily in this

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example

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so i want to go to the scratch buffer

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which i think you can see it better

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okay so this is the way you can get a

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process with your name

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and save it into a variable right let's

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execute this so as you can see well

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i don't know if you can see big you get

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a process

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let's go to it the process called my

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maxima

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as the buffer right and if we can you

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can send

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stuff to the process right we can call

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maximus in block get a block of valid

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maxima code and just pass the variable

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the process

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and we send code to the process right we

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can

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this is useful if you have some

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expensive computation that you want

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to process laser to say so the process

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can manage it

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and when you get the results correctly

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you can also get the result from the

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process

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i mean i don't put it here but quite

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easy and then you

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removed in favor which is the way to get

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rid of the process

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and the buffer so if we call this

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function we should get rid of the

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this process and it works the processing

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is no longer

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i'm happy to continue so um

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other things that improve the package on

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my commitment during time

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i'm going good okay another thing that i

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did to the package was to add

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continue integration and continue

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delivery right so the package didn't

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have any tests

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and the code was a little bit messy so

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i add integration a test

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and test with the test simple framework

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from rocky bursting the maintainer of

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real

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good which is a great package by the way

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um

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yeah this is one example of the process

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so right now because um

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the infrastructure of the process

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management is decoupled

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so i can test it pretty easily this is

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the test function of the

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inferior running so i can check if an

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inferior is running right now

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and i can just delete it after and get

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the results

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and i also did some integration with the

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party packages the first one company of

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course i love auto completion

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the second one was hormone that was

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already there and latex with the

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um or logic insert form

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and with poly mode because um let me

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evaluate this maxima can understand lisp

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code

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well more or less it has like a

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function so to say that you can send a

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list command to the

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maxima rebel and you can understand it

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in some way so

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we can go to the maxima poly

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only maxima right you enable polymaxima

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and it creates a polymode

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which this is lisp code and this is

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maxima code

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so we can send this to the maxima ripple

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we come to c control r which

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it sends the um the current

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um area region sorry

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and we define a variable which is called

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test and as we can see we have the

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variable test right here so you can

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program in lisp and you can send it to

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maxima

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so this is pretty good pretty nice um

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working integration with

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the slime mode and with swank so you can

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actually have a completion of

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a function inside the maximal list

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package but

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this is going to take quite a while

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because it's not trivial

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so um we're the feature of maxima right

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now well we have fonts highlighting

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smart indentation uh it was already in

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the package but now it's quite better

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great help functions right now i can

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find the recommendation quite

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fast and currently the menu integration

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this is quite basic it needs to be a

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little bit improved

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uh latex support also completion the

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company and maximizer process

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integration and mini buffer i didn't

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show you

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but basically if you call global maxima

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minor mode you have the minor mode you

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call maxima mini buffer

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how are you okay mini buffer you can

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basically just write simple maxima

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command and it will give you the result

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this is like a permanent version of um

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calc so you can do it you write the

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command and you get the output uh way

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more to come i have like a list

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of issues that i put enhancement a new

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feature that i'm going to develop

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so uh the future under presence of the

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package well the package is right now

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melpa a melba stable um

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in this 0.7.6 version

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and i'm planning to include into the

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known canoe alpha

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this is the url of the package by the

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way so you can if you go to metapod you

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put maxima and

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you can download it it doesn't have too

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much dependencies

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you aware of that um and thank you very

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much

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uh this is going to be my talk these are

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my uh information

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this is my gitlab this is my page which

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i don't

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love too much and this is my email

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so um thank you very much and i will be

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answering some questions right now

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and happy hacking

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you are now unmuted thank you very much

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vermin for the great talk um okay yeah

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let's see if you have any questions

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uh yeah i'm reading like this um

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so i'm a buddy october usually right now

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okay

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maxima over october yep there are a

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couple questions

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wow maxima we're okay i don't want to i

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don't know

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october that much um

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[Music]

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like i use it like a couple of times but

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i'm not happy

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and i found the octave packets to be

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quite a little bit harder to understand

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and also that

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it didn't have too much features like i

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prefer the maximum used to

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maybe octave is better i don't i'm not

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100 sure

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i know that you can use it for similar

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stuff but

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that's it so sorry

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okay i'm in a little bit of a rush sorry

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let me drink a little blue okay

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okay

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okay how does maxima compare to sagemath

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in imax

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i mean i don't know what is sage

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math i'm sorry um so i cannot answer

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your question

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with your question i think um

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sorry but i mean maxima is ready in

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combo list that's just a preference for

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me because i like

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lisp dialect and common lisp is

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interesting um

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yeah do you plan to

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i mean a maximum organization for maxima

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code block

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yes i want to improve the um

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of maxima package but i didn't have

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enough time and i want to

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clear a little bit of the code because

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still right now

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the code is quite messy in some areas

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because i pretty much implement first

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the base function i want to

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build on top of so right now it's quite

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usable but i still have something that i

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want to improve

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so when i finish that i will

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improve the normal version i think

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it's maximizing to get into into your

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opinion yes i

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i think that the creator of maxima like

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have this

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lisp mine and probably

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that they if you go to a symbol you get

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all the information

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and that reflects that you can actually

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write your program of maxima into

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um into lisp literally because they have

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a command

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so i think that is quite easy to get

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into some university use it for

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um first um

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years so it's quite easy and i think

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with my package you can use it

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like pretty pretty easily just create a

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file and you can start typing and

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maximize quite easy to install also

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so i think yeah it's crazy and

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the page should restart i don't know why

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sorry

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strict in fixed lisp syntax

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you're talking about the maxima itself

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syntax

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or i don't understand the question

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correctly

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well i'm going to go to the next

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question is there

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support for images in maximum mode not

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right now

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the way i want to implement some imax

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things uh is there support for

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but right now it doesn't have like a if

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you could want to have a new plot

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um inside you buffer right now it's not

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possible so

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that's the thing that i maximized that

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maxima.l still doesn't

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do which university you start to use

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maxima um

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in this aragosa university from spain

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they used to maximize the um thing in

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the engineer

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and in the math also so i'm 100 sure

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right now but when i started

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are you planning to option your package

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into maxima um i don't know about that

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because uh maybe can be a little bit

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messy

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um because the maxima ripple is more

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built around like maxima itself and they

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don't

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update the interfaces that much

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i have no problem like it's okay it just

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you have to um if you want to push you

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can push in other

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repository i mean it's just changed the

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file another way

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but also the test um is going to be a

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little bit harder because i think

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they're using

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search for and i'm using

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git lab continue integration within the

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jury

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so yeah i don't think that now unmuted

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yeah it will be nice

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okay um it's possible to include

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maximizing or false similar to jupiter

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notebooks

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um i mean you can uh use maximize your

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or files and you have maximum l mod

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integrated and you can like create put

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that code into a buffer and then

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uh edited correctly but it is now not it

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doesn't have like all the features like

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other languages because

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right now uh as my understanding is

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quite basic so i still have some

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still needs some some stuff some work

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around

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okay i think that's it

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you are now unmuted

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yep so that's it uh thank you very much

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fermin for your live talk and for you

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know the live q a

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thank you all amazing uh max conf

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cheers thank you it's thanks to you all

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you guys

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it's awesome okay thank you cheers bye

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bye