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at the end we are right on time so i'm

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sorry if you have a lot of questions

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before

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you had some so many questions and i

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couldn't answer all of them and i'm

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really happy about it but i'm also

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really sad that i don't have enough time

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to do so

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so i'm gonna try to do a better job this

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time of leaving you a little more time

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for the questions so just before

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a little addendum because i did screw up

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in the previous presentation

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you remember i tried to rename the file

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and it didn't work

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well it turns out uh i had two file name

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baz so

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my software works great thank you very

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much uh

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all right so now what i'm gonna do

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during this presentation

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is that i'm going to oops i didn't stop

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my timer just give me

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a little second and let's subtract

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one minute okay good so

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what i'm going to do right now it's a

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little different from the previous

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talk i've gave you and different even

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from what nura gave you

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there's like uh scaling the mountain as

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far as difficulty is concerned and on

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this one

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i will be telling you about the

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technical aspects of orgrim

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because you know i've been telling you

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about the general philosophy

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of the notes and the general philosophy

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of organization

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but right now i really want to get into

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the nitty gritty about or grow

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so if we go in the git repository

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this at the very core is all grown and

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for some of you who have no experience

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whatsoever

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uh developing stuff or programming or

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anything along those lines

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this is how all the development around

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the world

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is working you have a repository a

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git repository where you have all the

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files all the libraries you're using

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all the programs all the commands

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everything is inside your files

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and in a way this is the organ project

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you can see that we have many files we

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have organ buffer capture compat

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completion dailies

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etc etc so

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before we dive a little deeper i just

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want to give you a lay of the land so to

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speak to

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to know where we're heading so

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orgro is built on top of old mode

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and org mode gives us plenty of tools

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to play around with the files i'm moving

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the glass i'm

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i'm starting to move my hands a little

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bit you know when i get excited about

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something i move my hand

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and then that stuff happens so

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in all chrome we have org mode and

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augment gives us plenty of tools which

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are incredibly useful

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for writing stuff so you know we already

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have the links

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we already have the hierarchy which is

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given by having

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trees within trees within trees we have

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uh

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quote blocks we have babel blocks we

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have so much stuff we have an arsenal of

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tools that have been developed

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for the last 15 years and

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when you think about it all chrome just

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wants to create backlinks but it sounds

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something very simple but the problem is

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that we need

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to play nicely with all of those

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intricate

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pieces and the fact is it takes quite a

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lot of expertise to be able to do so

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because

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if right now we are in the brain of all

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grow

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but if i show you the brain of org mode

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so this is the brain of org mode and it

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looks very simple like this because i

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haven't entered the less folder

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but i'm just going to enter it i'm going

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to

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zoom out a little bit don't worry if you

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don't see everything

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but i just want you to get a fear the

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sheer feel of magnitude

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that is um org mode so right now we are

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in a very small size what i'm gonna do

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i'm going to skip

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one page okay one two

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three we have let's just check how many

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lines we have

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okay let me just revert to a fairly

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readable side

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at the bottom you can see that we have

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oh it's not showing because it's a

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little small okay i'm just going to

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resize the window a little bit

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it's not showing up give me a second i

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can't see how many lines i have okay so

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let's do it to get away

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i'm going to go back at the beginning of

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the buffer and we're going to count

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how many lines we have so the bottom in

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a midi buffer and the mini buffer is

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this area

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we have 377 lines

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which means 377

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libraries within org mode and mind you

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that's not counting all the modules that

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we have on the side which

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come on top of volt mode now when you

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try to think

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about something so elemental

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as links you have to think about how to

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play well

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with every single one of these modules

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now obviously not

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the 370 370. sometimes you know

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one module it's not going to do anything

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like i'm not sure op car could be doing

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anything with it

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but it's something that we have to keep

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in mind and so

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really early on when we started

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developing all grown with jethro kwan my

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co-maintainer you know we had this idea

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that

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we wanted to develop something that was

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optimized

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something that would you know scale very

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nicely whether or not you had

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you know something that would work as

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fast if you had 10 files

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or if you had 100 files or if you had

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10 000 files and maybe more so the

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problem when you do this

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and i'm doing some callbacks to the talk

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i gave you earlier today about

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few small few big files this is many

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i got confused few big files versus many

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small files

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the problem with this is that we need to

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think about optimization from the get go

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and so one of the decision we took when

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we got started

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with orgrum is that if i go in my

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test repository so that's the one in

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which we were right before

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we have a file which is called orgrumdb

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now if i open it it's not it's a

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little garbage because uh it's a binary

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but what we have

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is a database with which we communicate

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via sorry it's an sql database

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and what this allows us to do

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is we store all the information we need

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inside this sql database which allows us

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to speed up a lot of the operations that

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are

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necessary for the functioning of our

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ground

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so for instance if i go back to the

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index file that i had before

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let's just go back to who actually this

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way you'll see a little more on the side

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so you see that on the side we have

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whoops

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two links i'm not going to click on them

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otherwise i'm going to open them but we

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have two links

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now there are many implementations of

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the zettol casten method inside

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emacs and inside and with old mode but

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what we've decided to do

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is that every time you have a link so if

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we go to

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the index again here at point we have

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the link

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foo every time we create a link we

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update our database

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to say okay so we have a link in the

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file

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index which is leading to the file

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fu.org and it is situated

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under the heading a heading and

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if you check the site buffer you see

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that all this all these information

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which i just highlighted to you

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are present right here

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oh well sorry i forgot this thank you

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okay

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so let's see log okay i'm going to split

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actually i'm going to split like this

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i'm going to go back there

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the problem is that i can't show my

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keystrokes at the same time as a machine

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i'm showing the site buffer so i'll

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keep it right now for your own

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discretion anyway getting back to the

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talk

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so the thing is we have this

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sql database and the goal is to keep it

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optimized

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now why is it better optimized than just

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using

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orgrom sorry just using default org mode

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so in my talk about many big files

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versus

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a few i keep getting you know you got

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what i was saying i'm not going to

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repeat it

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by the way it is uh 10 to 10.

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i'm starting really to be tired now so

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uh moving on to

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um what did i want to show you so it was

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almost yes all the elements

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so what i'm going to do i'm going to

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see i believe it's org element pass

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buffer

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so i was telling you about all elements

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before

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and the main command sorry the main

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function that is used by org element

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is pass buffer what it does and you can

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see the dock string is that it

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recursively passed

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the buffer and return structure

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structure being all the information that

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we have in this buffer

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so just to show you a little more we're

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going to move into a scratch buffer

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and what we're going to do is that we're

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going to write this command

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pass buffer and we're going to check the

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output of this command

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oh sorry not this one we're going to go

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in the index so the index file you have

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a title you have a heading you have a

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link etc etc

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so what i'm going to do i'm going to

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evaluate this text

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and now at the bottom in the midi buffer

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in the mini buffer sorry

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you see an ast an abstract

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obviously don't remember what the s

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stands for semantic

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huh interesting anyway a representation

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of the data

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in a way that is exploitable by a

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machine now what i'm going to do

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syntax thank you so what i'm going to do

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i'm going to paste it inside the buffer

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in a way that is humanly readable and

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you can see that we have plenty of

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information we have a section which

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starts at the char

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1 which ends at the character 45

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we have the content so he makes scratch

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oh actually no

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never mind i did something wrong i run

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it in the wrong buffer

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so actually what i'm going to do we're

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going to run this command

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with the selected window next

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window okay that's a bit of live

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elise writing for you right now okay so

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now if i

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evaluate this and paste the content of

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the buffer

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it is doing its bidding so now what we

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have

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we have a section we have the keyword

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title which you see right here you have

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the value

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if we scroll down a little bit we have a

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heading which is right here we have the

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contents

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which should be yes the content is not

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listed exactly here but you have a

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paragraph which is this

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and then you have a link etc etc it is

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all

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uh parenthesis if you're not used to

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e-list

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like right now i've selected only the

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content of the parenthesis link

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i can move like this etcetera etcetera

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i'm not it's not a needle

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lessons that i'm doing right now but

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basically

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if we were to use the default tooling of

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orgrom

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org mode sorry i keep getting too

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confused sorry for that

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uh it would be extremely slow to do what

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we're doing some people

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are doing so some implementations of the

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zettelkassen method inside emacs have

0:11:22.240,0:11:26.480
opted

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for this method but the problem is that

0:11:26.480,0:11:30.160
we think

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that it scales poorly now some other

0:11:30.160,0:11:33.920
people

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have decided to not do with a database

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and what they do is that they use a tool

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which is called rip grep

0:11:37.200,0:11:41.279
you might know grep which is a tool that

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allows you to search

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a file the content of a file for a line

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so for instance if we open v term here

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uh let's see so i've opened the term i

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am in this repository what i'm going to

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do is that i'm going to

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load the content of the file uh

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how am i going to do this oh um i need

0:12:00.480,0:12:06.160
to move to bash

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let's do crap

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for the line which links do we did we

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have grep foo

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inside the file is it three i can

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remember okay let's do this

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am i working no

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let's go for four why is it eight

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ah damn it oh you know what i'm just

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going to copy the name

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up there we go no

0:12:28.240,0:12:33.279
ah problem with live presentation always

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you know what i'm struggling so i'm

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going to drop this point anyway

0:12:36.720,0:12:40.000
so grep is a simple tool that allows you

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to search the content of a file but

0:12:40.000,0:12:44.160
rig grep is a solution that is written

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in rust and which is supposed to be

0:12:44.160,0:12:48.880
well not supposed which is far more

0:12:45.920,0:12:50.639
capable now

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i'd like to talk to you about the future

0:12:50.639,0:12:54.720
of orgrim right now i've told you about

0:12:52.320,0:12:58.399
the general concept which is about using

0:12:54.720,0:13:01.519
uh this sql database and about

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playing nicely with old mode but

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we think that there's something great

0:13:03.279,0:13:08.320
that we can do about orgrim

0:13:05.200,0:13:10.320
now i've been talking with the a lot of

0:13:08.320,0:13:10.880
people who are behind org mode and you

0:13:10.320,0:13:14.000
know

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they've told us do you think that

0:13:14.000,0:13:18.320
orgrom could have something to bring to

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old mode let's say

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backlinks is there something that we

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could be doing to

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import backlinks into old mode and

0:13:25.600,0:13:29.200
we thought about it with jethro and the

0:13:27.200,0:13:30.800
problem is uh

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we've always tried to have an

0:13:30.800,0:13:35.360
experimental ground a very

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uh can a very isolated portion of your

0:13:35.360,0:13:37.920
system

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where we could track backlinks and

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that's why we use um

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a slipbox directory so that we only

0:13:42.320,0:13:47.040
track backlinks in one specific place

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but now because there seems to be so

0:13:47.040,0:13:50.079
much interest about the method and we

0:13:48.639,0:13:52.480
have so much backing

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on uh you know on github we have like

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200

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2 600 stars which is mind-boggling to us

0:13:56.399,0:14:02.399
because we have so much success but

0:13:59.760,0:14:03.360
we have plenty of ideas about the future

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one of the key

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parts of development being the writing

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of an external parser for orgrim

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so i've been telling you about org

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element org elements runs

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inside emacs but what if

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we wrote a background process

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that could read a file an augment file

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extract the same type of data that you

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see on your screen right now

0:14:27.440,0:14:30.959
so that we could use to update a

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database

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so that we could use to compute the

0:14:33.279,0:14:37.360
links so that we could use it

0:14:34.959,0:14:39.519
to show you know orgrim server all the

0:14:37.360,0:14:41.360
connections between your nodes

0:14:39.519,0:14:44.320
now there is a path of improvement here

0:14:41.360,0:14:47.360
that is extremely important to us

0:14:44.320,0:14:48.639
but you know that's the technical aspect

0:14:47.360,0:14:50.079
and i'm out of time i'm just going to

0:14:48.639,0:14:51.360
take one more minute to finish on this

0:14:50.079,0:14:54.560
point

0:14:51.360,0:14:57.680
but we believe

0:14:54.560,0:14:58.399
that orgrim has the potential to be a

0:14:57.680,0:15:00.639
think tank

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in a way for org mode and the way we

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think about

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note-taking in general i've stressed a

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great deal in my first presentation

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sorry the one i did before neura that

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all chrome is really great as a way to

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think organically about knowledge

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and honestly we kind of want to put the

0:15:17.600,0:15:22.079
theory into practice with orgrim

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we are holding something which has the

0:15:22.079,0:15:25.120
potential to be

0:15:23.440,0:15:27.279
a great factor of innovation for the

0:15:25.120,0:15:29.600
future whether it be or org mode

0:15:27.279,0:15:31.440
or even for software in general you know

0:15:29.600,0:15:34.880
the way to think about

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build nodes of knowledge in a way

0:15:34.880,0:15:38.240
and the way to represent all those ids

0:15:37.440,0:15:40.560
with the graph

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the way to basically have a note-taking

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system that

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corresponds to the research that

0:15:43.360,0:15:49.120
corresponds to the way you think

0:15:45.839,0:15:51.839
so yeah i believe we are

0:15:49.120,0:15:53.519
really excited about this and if you

0:15:51.839,0:15:55.360
want to keep track of the development of

0:15:53.519,0:15:57.600
all chrome

0:15:55.360,0:15:59.279
i on my youtube channel which is already

0:15:57.600,0:16:02.639
linked a little earlier

0:15:59.279,0:16:04.240
inside this present inside the pad sorry

0:16:02.639,0:16:06.079
i do have a youtube channel where i try

0:16:04.240,0:16:09.519
to present novelties

0:16:06.079,0:16:11.519
or the new stuff inside um orgrim

0:16:09.519,0:16:13.360
but i also be recording videos about the

0:16:11.519,0:16:15.519
technical aspects about the direction

0:16:13.360,0:16:18.000
that we're taking with orgrim

0:16:15.519,0:16:18.560
and if you want to talk with us we are

0:16:18.000,0:16:22.160
always

0:16:18.560,0:16:23.680
available either on isc channel orgrom

0:16:22.160,0:16:25.279
i believe there's a dash between org and

0:16:23.680,0:16:27.279
rome but also

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on the discourse and i'll be putting all

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the links inside the conversation

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and that's me done so thank you for

0:16:31.199,0:16:34.560
listening and now i'll be taking

0:16:32.880,0:16:37.360
three minutes of questions so as to be

0:16:34.560,0:16:39.920
right on time

0:16:37.360,0:16:41.120
mini thanks for your awesome talk leo

0:16:39.920,0:16:43.040
thank you

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so i'm just refreshing the page and i'm

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going to scroll down to my

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talk if i can find the right section

0:16:49.600,0:16:52.720
let me just scroll a little bit

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uh reproducible emacs no i think it's

0:16:55.600,0:16:59.279
slower

0:16:57.120,0:17:00.639
god we have so many questions so at the

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same time i'm pissed because i can't

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find it

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but i'm really really impressed by the

0:17:02.639,0:17:07.760
number of questions that we had oh yeah

0:17:05.360,0:17:08.260
um which is about i think about line 600

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or so

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[Music]

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yes got it splendid

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so um the questions so why not run a

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background emacs for passing instead of

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implementing a new parser

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so i believe we've had this question uh

0:17:22.559,0:17:27.600
i was giving a similar talk

0:17:24.480,0:17:31.679
earlier this week and this week

0:17:27.600,0:17:33.280
i'm not french this week sorry and

0:17:31.679,0:17:35.679
someone asked me this question and the

0:17:33.280,0:17:38.320
thing is running a background emacs

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process you know it sounds great

0:17:38.320,0:17:41.760
but it's also very limited because all

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the problems we have

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about concurrency about threads in emacs

0:17:45.520,0:17:49.200
well yes we can forward all our calls to

0:17:48.160,0:17:51.760
background emacs

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just like uh you know when you export a

0:17:51.760,0:17:56.400
file

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with uh um sorry

0:17:56.400,0:17:58.799
i mean could you mute microphone when

0:17:57.840,0:18:01.520
you're speaking it's a little hard for

0:17:58.799,0:18:03.600
me to concentrate

0:18:01.520,0:18:04.640
that's fine don't worry you are now uh

0:18:03.600,0:18:06.960
so um

0:18:04.640,0:18:07.679
dammit where was i i'm sorry the

0:18:06.960,0:18:09.280
question yes

0:18:07.679,0:18:11.840
so basically forwarding all the

0:18:09.280,0:18:13.039
questions uh sorry all our queries to uh

0:18:11.840,0:18:16.000
background emacs

0:18:13.039,0:18:17.960
that is what uh org export is doing like

0:18:16.000,0:18:20.799
you have the ability to

0:18:17.960,0:18:22.080
asynchronously export latex documents

0:18:20.799,0:18:24.480
odt documents from

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org mode and it uses a very minimal

0:18:24.480,0:18:28.240
version of emacs to do that but the

0:18:26.000,0:18:30.320
problem is that we think that it's not

0:18:28.240,0:18:33.039
going to scale as well as a true

0:18:30.320,0:18:34.480
genuine background process and since we

0:18:33.039,0:18:36.000
have been talking a lot

0:18:34.480,0:18:38.160
as far as the old mode development is

0:18:36.000,0:18:40.640
concerned about

0:18:38.160,0:18:41.760
writing a proper parser writing a proper

0:18:40.640,0:18:43.440
documentation

0:18:41.760,0:18:46.000
for the passing of old mode file and

0:18:43.440,0:18:48.400
writing a proper document standard

0:18:46.000,0:18:50.000
that says okay this is how the old mode

0:18:48.400,0:18:52.000
format works you know to

0:18:50.000,0:18:55.120
basically have a way to not fall into

0:18:52.000,0:18:56.559
the traps of markdown which has many

0:18:55.120,0:18:58.480
many standards

0:18:56.559,0:19:00.000
we need to think about this and we

0:18:58.480,0:19:01.360
believe that all grown has

0:19:00.000,0:19:03.120
the ability to think about these

0:19:01.360,0:19:04.640
questions and as a

0:19:03.120,0:19:06.400
as a person i'm also really interested

0:19:04.640,0:19:07.840
about this so

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i can take the question i mean so don't

0:19:07.840,0:19:11.760
worry about feeding them to me so how

0:19:10.160,0:19:13.679
often does the

0:19:11.760,0:19:14.799
db index get updated in order to contain

0:19:13.679,0:19:17.360
changes within the

0:19:14.799,0:19:19.440
files so we have two ways either we

0:19:17.360,0:19:22.160
update as soon as you save a file

0:19:19.440,0:19:23.600
or we have a timer which is an idle

0:19:22.160,0:19:25.600
timer which waits okay

0:19:23.600,0:19:26.960
the user has not imputed inputted

0:19:25.600,0:19:29.360
anything in the last

0:19:26.960,0:19:30.080
five seconds so it's time to queue a

0:19:29.360,0:19:33.039
database

0:19:30.080,0:19:33.919
passing a rebuild of the data not a an

0:19:33.039,0:19:37.120
incrementation

0:19:33.919,0:19:38.799
of the database i should say so

0:19:37.120,0:19:40.320
did you ever think of uh i believe i

0:19:38.799,0:19:42.240
have one more one more minutes and then

0:19:40.320,0:19:43.440
i'll hand it to the other folks

0:19:42.240,0:19:45.440
do you ever think of opening up or

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designing the sqldb as a general all

0:19:45.440,0:19:48.160
speed up tool outside of orgrom so that

0:19:47.200,0:19:49.919
other libraries

0:19:48.160,0:19:51.679
that do execute complex queries are able

0:19:49.919,0:19:52.960
to use it well

0:19:51.679,0:19:54.640
a lot of people have been working on

0:19:52.960,0:19:56.480
this and i believe alpha papa has been

0:19:54.640,0:19:57.679
thinking quite a lot about this you know

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all ql

0:19:57.679,0:20:03.679
is the ql stands for language

0:20:01.120,0:20:04.720
and i i can't remember now what's uh

0:20:03.679,0:20:08.080
what's the backend

0:20:04.720,0:20:10.080
is for all ql but the idea is relatively

0:20:08.080,0:20:13.039
relatively the same you know it's about

0:20:10.080,0:20:14.880
finding ways to optimize the way we

0:20:13.039,0:20:16.640
store the data about an old mode file

0:20:14.880,0:20:20.400
and how we retrieve it

0:20:16.640,0:20:22.159
and sql for us seems to seem to be a

0:20:20.400,0:20:24.240
good idea now obviously

0:20:22.159,0:20:26.080
maybe we could do something about old

0:20:24.240,0:20:27.360
mode but the problem is i think a

0:20:26.080,0:20:30.799
background process

0:20:27.360,0:20:32.960
is not necessarily um in

0:20:30.799,0:20:34.000
the core mentality of old mode but it's

0:20:32.960,0:20:36.080
definitely a

0:20:34.000,0:20:37.679
something that we could suggest uh when

0:20:36.080,0:20:40.960
we are a little more mature because well

0:20:37.679,0:20:41.679
orgrom was started last february and so

0:20:40.960,0:20:44.480
it's a fairly

0:20:41.679,0:20:45.840
young project in a way so uh i see

0:20:44.480,0:20:48.400
plenty more questions but

0:20:45.840,0:20:50.559
i'm out of time folks so i'm not sure uh

0:20:48.400,0:20:52.559
the other speaker is probably ready

0:20:50.559,0:20:54.000
so what i'll do is i'll probably try to

0:20:52.559,0:20:55.360
answer your questions when i get the

0:20:54.000,0:20:58.960
time inside the pad

0:20:55.360,0:21:01.039
but feel free to ping me on isc

0:20:58.960,0:21:02.320
or on the different channels we have

0:21:01.039,0:21:04.000
foreground and

0:21:02.320,0:21:05.520
i answer them with you know as much

0:21:04.000,0:21:07.600
energy as i can gather

0:21:05.520,0:21:08.880
all right thank you so much you are now

0:21:07.600,0:21:11.760
unmuted

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thank you again very much leo and that

0:21:11.760,0:21:14.000
was me done for today so you'll see me

0:21:13.120,0:21:15.840
at the end but i'm

0:21:14.000,0:21:17.840
officially done and i am free of

0:21:15.840,0:21:22.640
thoughts i can focus on

0:21:17.840,0:21:27.760
sleeping probably awesome

0:21:22.640,0:21:27.760
all right see you guys later bye bye