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Dashed lines show talks with Q&A via IRC or Etherpad.<div class="schedule-in-context schedule-svg-container" data-slug="authoring"> +<svg width="700" height="150" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"><title>Schedule for Saturday</title><rect width="700" height="150" x="0" y="0" fill="white"></rect><text font-size="10" fill="black" y="12" x="3">Saturday</text><a href="/2025/talks/sat-open" title="Saturday opening remarks" data-slug="sat-open"><title> 9:00- 9:10 Saturday opening remarks</title><rect x="0" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(11,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">sat-open</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/org-babel" title="Making Org-Babel reactive" data-slug="org-babel"><title> 9:10- 9:20 Making Org-Babel reactive</title><rect x="13" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(24,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">org-babel</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/reference" title="Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager" data-slug="reference"><title> 9:30- 9:50 Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</title><rect x="41" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(66,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">reference</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/gmail" title="org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode" data-slug="gmail"><title>10:10-10:30 org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode</title><rect x="96" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(121,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">gmail</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/languages" title="Studying foreign languages with Emacs, Org Mode and gptel" data-slug="languages"><title>10:40-10:50 Studying foreign languages with Emacs, Org Mode and gptel</title><rect x="137" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(148,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">languages</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/latex" title="LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul" data-slug="latex"><title>11:10-11:30 LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul</title><rect x="178" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(203,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">latex</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/bibliography" title="An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning" data-slug="bibliography"><title> 1:00- 1:20 An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning</title><rect x="329" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(354,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">bibliography</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/calc" title="Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics" data-slug="calc"><title> 1:40- 1:50 Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics</title><rect x="384" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(395,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">calc</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/authoring" title="How Emacs became my authoring playground—no Lisp required" data-slug="authoring"><title> 2:00- 2:10 How Emacs became my authoring playground—no Lisp required</title><rect stroke-width="3" x="411" y="15" opacity="0.8" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(422,73)"><text font-weight="bold" fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">authoring</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/blee-lcnt" title="Blee-LCNT: An Emacs-centered content production and self-publication framework" data-slug="blee-lcnt"><title> 2:30- 2:50 Blee-LCNT: An Emacs-centered content production and self-publication framework</title><rect x="452" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(477,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">blee-lcnt</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/greader" title="GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence" data-slug="greader"><title> 3:10- 3:20 GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence</title><rect x="507" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(518,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">greader</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/sat-close" title="Saturday closing remarks" data-slug="sat-close"><title> 3:30- 3:40 Saturday closing remarks</title><rect x="535" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(546,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">sat-close</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/schemacs" title="One year progress update Schemacs (formerly Gypsum)" data-slug="schemacs"><title> 9:30- 9:45 One year progress update Schemacs (formerly Gypsum)</title><rect x="41" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="20" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(59,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">schemacs</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/juicemacs" title="Juicemacs: exploring speculative JIT compilation for ELisp in Java" data-slug="juicemacs"><title>10:05-10:25 Juicemacs: exploring speculative JIT compilation for ELisp in Java</title><rect x="89" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(114,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">juicemacs</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/swanky" title="Swanky Python: Interactive development for Python" data-slug="swanky"><title>10:35-10:55 Swanky Python: Interactive development for Python</title><rect x="130" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(155,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">swanky</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/python" title="Interactive Python programming in Emacs" data-slug="python"><title>11:05-11:25 Interactive Python programming in Emacs</title><rect x="171" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(196,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">python</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/llm" title="Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows" data-slug="llm"><title> 1:00- 1:20 Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows</title><rect x="329" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(354,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">llm</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/private-ai" title="Emacs and private AI: a great match" data-slug="private-ai"><title> 1:40- 2:00 Emacs and private AI: a great match</title><rect x="384" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(409,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">private-ai</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/commonlisp" title="Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev" data-slug="commonlisp"><title> 2:20- 2:40 Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev</title><rect x="439" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(464,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">commonlisp</text></g></a><a href="/2025/talks/graphics" title="Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics" data-slug="graphics"><title> 2:50- 3:10 Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics</title><rect x="480" y="75" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="skyblue"></rect><g transform="translate(505,133)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">graphics</text></g></a><g transform="translate(0,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">9 AM</text></g><g transform="translate(82,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">10 AM</text></g><g transform="translate(164,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">11 AM</text></g><g transform="translate(247,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">12 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(329,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">1 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(411,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">2 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(494,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">3 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(576,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">4 PM</text></g><g transform="translate(658,3)"><line stroke="darkgray" x1="0" y1="0" x2="0" y2="120"></line><text fill="black" x="0" y="140" font-size="10" text-anchor="left">5 PM</text></g></svg> +</div> + +[[!toc ]] +Format: 10-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room <https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/current/bbb-authoring.html> +Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) +Status: Waiting for video from speaker +<div>Times in different time zones:</div><div class="times" start="2025-12-06T19:00:00Z" end="2025-12-06T19:10:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~2:00 PM - 2:10 PM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~1:00 PM - 1:10 PM CST (US/Central)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~12:00 PM - 12:10 PM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~11:00 AM - 11:10 AM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~7:00 PM - 7:10 PM UTC <br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~8:00 PM - 8:10 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Saturday, Dec 6 2025, ~9:00 PM - 9:10 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~12:30 AM - 12:40 AM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~3:00 AM - 3:10 AM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~4:00 AM - 4:10 AM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><strong><a href="/2025/watch/gen/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></strong></div> + + + + + +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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Please e-mail [blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu](mailto:blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20bibliography%3A%20An%20enhanced%20bibliography%20in%20org-mode%20for%20scientific%20research%20and%20self-directed%20learning) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/bibliography-before.md b/2025/info/bibliography-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7bb2a78d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bibliography-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> + +The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sat 2025-12-06. Solid lines show talks with Q&A via BigBlueButton. Dashed lines show talks with Q&A via IRC or Etherpad.<div class="schedule-in-context schedule-svg-container" data-slug="bibliography"> +<svg width="700" height="150" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"><title>Schedule for Saturday</title><rect width="700" height="150" x="0" y="0" fill="white"></rect><text font-size="10" fill="black" y="12" x="3">Saturday</text><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/sat-open" title="Saturday opening remarks" data-slug="sat-open"><title> 9:00- 9:10 Saturday opening remarks</title><rect x="0" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(11,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">sat-open</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/org-babel" title="Making Org-Babel reactive" data-slug="org-babel"><title> 9:10- 9:20 Making Org-Babel reactive</title><rect x="13" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="13" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(24,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">org-babel</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/reference" title="Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager" data-slug="reference"><title> 9:30- 9:55 Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</title><rect x="41" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(73,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">reference</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/gmail" title="org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode" data-slug="gmail"><title>10:15-10:40 org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode</title><rect x="102" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(134,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">gmail</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/gnus" title="Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus" data-slug="gnus"><title>10:50-11:15 Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus</title><rect x="150" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(182,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">gnus</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/latex" title="LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul" data-slug="latex"><title>11:25-11:45 LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul</title><rect x="199" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(224,73)"><text fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">latex</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/bibliography" title="An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning" data-slug="bibliography"><title> 1:00- 1:20 An enhanced bibliography in org-mode for scientific research and self-directed learning</title><rect stroke-width="3" x="329" y="15" opacity="0.8" width="27" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(354,73)"><text font-weight="bold" fill="black" x="0" y="0" font-size="10" transform="rotate(-90)">bibliography</text></g></a><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/talks/calc" title="Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics" data-slug="calc"><title> 1:40- 2:05 Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics</title><rect x="384" y="15" opacity="0.5" width="34" height="59" stroke="black" stroke-dasharray="5,5,5" fill="peachpuff"></rect><g transform="translate(416,73)"><text 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Salaam.""" start="00:00:05.760" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is Mohsen Banan.""" start="00:00:08.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am a software and internet engineer.""" start="00:00:10.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The title of this presentation""" start="00:00:12.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is "Blee-LCNT: An Emacs Centered""" start="00:00:14.680" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Content Production and Self-Publication Framework".""" start="00:00:18.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blee stands for""" start="00:00:23.660" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ByStar Libre-Halaal Emacs Environment.""" start="00:00:25.560" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In last year's EmacsConf,""" start="00:00:29.280" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I introduced Blee, BISOS and ByStar""" start="00:00:31.800" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as concepts and as foundations.""" start="00:00:36.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year I want to focus""" start="00:00:39.440" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on one concrete capability.""" start="00:00:41.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Content Production and Self-Publication""" start="00:00:43.880" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a foundational Blee and BISOS Capability Bundle.""" start="00:00:47.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Both this presentation""" start="00:00:54.120" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Nature of Polyexistentials book""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were developed with Blee-LCNT.""" start="00:00:59.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this presentation I want to look at Emacs""" start="00:01:02.880" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a central ingredient""" start="00:01:06.760" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a usage environment""" start="00:01:08.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we can use to orchestrate production of""" start="00:01:10.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite fancy multi-media presentations.""" start="00:01:14.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Scope: A complete multi-media content processing framework""" start="00:01:20.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's consider two different scopes.""" start="00:01:20.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, the scope of Blee-LCNT Capabilities Bundle,""" start="00:01:23.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is that of a complete""" start="00:01:27.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multi-media content authorship,""" start="00:01:29.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generation, publication""" start="00:01:32.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and distribution framework.""" start="00:01:34.800" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That complete scope is presented in this slide""" start="00:01:37.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it spans both black ink""" start="00:01:41.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and violet ink.""" start="00:01:44.240" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Second, the scope of this presentation,""" start="00:01:46.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is more limited.""" start="00:01:49.800" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this presentation I confine myself""" start="00:01:52.120" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the bullets is violet ink.""" start="00:01:54.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I focus on presentation""" start="00:01:58.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and video as content types""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and their authorship and generation""" start="00:02:03.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and their federated re-publication.""" start="00:02:06.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Prior art and similar art""" start="00:02:10.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This is a common topic.""" start="00:02:10.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes good sense for us to start with""" start="00:02:12.560" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a review of prior art and similar art.""" start="00:02:14.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I went through the past EmacsConf talks""" start="00:02:19.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and found a good number of them""" start="00:02:21.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that also deal with the topic""" start="00:02:23.920" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of content generation.""" start="00:02:26.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A few of these are included""" start="00:02:28.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in black ink in this slide.""" start="00:02:30.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many of these have chosen the Babel,""" start="00:02:33.360" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in other words Org-Mode+LaTeX as primary input.""" start="00:02:35.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I prefer the inverse of that.""" start="00:02:40.720" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also looked for past talks""" start="00:02:43.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which have used Reveal.js and LaTeX-Beamer.""" start="00:02:45.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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these shortly.""" start="00:05:10.840" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Part of a bigger picture - part of a series""" start="00:05:12.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All of this is part of a bigger picture.""" start="00:05:12.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A much bigger picture.""" start="00:05:15.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My talks at EmacsConf 2021, 2022""" start="00:05:17.620" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 2024 are related.""" start="00:05:23.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This 2025 talk builds on those.""" start="00:05:26.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Last year's talk "About Blee:""" start="00:05:31.400" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on just the Libre-Halaal Debian distro.""" start="00:34:08.620" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is what we have done with ByStar.""" start="00:34:13.500" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In ByStar, everything is based on""" start="00:34:17.300" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just the Universal Debian everywhere.""" start="00:34:20.040" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This has made our Usage Environment""" start="00:34:24.120" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""totally harmonious with our Service Environment""" start="00:34:27.000" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allowing for very powerful software-service continuums.""" start="00:34:31.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, all of this is immediately applicable""" start="00:34:38.060" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to our ByStar Content Bundle as well.""" start="00:34:41.480" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some have asked, why don't you also include Ubuntu?""" start="00:34:46.020" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the opposite makes more sense.""" start="00:34:50.520" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ubuntu should converge with Debian.""" start="00:34:53.680" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tried to explain this to Mark Shuttleworth""" start="00:34:56.700" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an email a while back.""" start="00:34:59.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have included that email""" start="00:35:02.480" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are using the "Federated Re-Publications" model.""" start="00:35:25.680" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something this large,""" start="00:35:30.960" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be well documented.""" start="00:35:32.480" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Emacs, the way that""" start="00:35:35.480" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have been dealing with documentation""" start="00:35:37.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and information retrieval is archaic.""" start="00:35:39.320" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Man-pages, TeXInfo, Helpful-Mode""" start="00:35:43.440" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and convention based Doc-Strings are old and limited.""" start="00:35:46.080" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In BISOS and Blee, we use Blee-Panels""" start="00:35:51.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all kinds of documentation.""" start="00:35:55.280" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you some examples.""" start="00:35:57.740" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Moving forward""" start="00:36:02.560" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, what next?""" start="00:36:02.560" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If Blee, BISOS, ByStar, Libre-Halaal, Polyexistentials""" start="00:36:05.200" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these Content Processing capabilities""" start="00:36:10.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have piqued your interest,""" start="00:36:14.160" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please feel welcome to contact me.""" start="00:36:16.640" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These Emacs Conferences have proven""" start="00:36:19.380" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be very useful and productive.""" start="00:36:22.240" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I look forward to your thoughts,""" start="00:36:25.380" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback and questions.""" start="00:36:27.200" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to thank all the EmacsConf 2025 Organizers""" start="00:36:29.600" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for their great work,""" start="00:36:35.360" video="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Sacha in particular.""" start="00:36:37.200" 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Salaam again. I'm delighted to be here""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and happy to answer your questions.""" start="00:00:05.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not seeing anything yet,""" start="00:00:11.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let me take advantage of this time""" start="00:00:12.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to speak about one question that I saw""" start="00:00:17.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come in earlier on the pad,""" start="00:00:20.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Where do we find all the inputs and outputs you mentioned?""" start="00:00:22.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""which was all the outputs""" start="00:00:22.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the inputs that you mentioned, where are they?""" start="00:00:25.541" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they are on GitHub, and this is in one of my slides.""" start="00:00:29.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mentioned the URL for it. I'll show you that as well.""" start="00:00:35.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the URL for it is https://github.com/bxplpc/180068,""" start="00:00:41.940" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the handle for this talk.""" start="00:00:50.392" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In there, you have all the PDFs and the HTMLs,""" start="00:00:58.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a citation, a bib input, and also the sources.""" start="00:01:06.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you were to go to the PDF, you will see""" start="00:01:12.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, both the article presentation and the beamer,""" start="00:01:19.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's take a quick look at the beamer,""" start="00:01:24.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what you have seen. So.""" start="00:01:27.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as far as the sources are, there are two primary files.""" start="00:01:34.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This presentation, left to right,""" start="00:01:40.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the one that includes all the LaTeX packages.""" start="00:01:44.121" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We might as well take a quick look.""" start="00:01:50.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what's in there is primarily the use packages.""" start="00:01:52.642" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it dispatches to bodyPresArt,""" start="00:01:57.601" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is where the code is.""" start="00:02:07.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I walked through this briefly.""" start="00:02:11.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, notice here again that this is a mixture of LaTeX and Org.""" start="00:02:14.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each of the presentation slides are here.""" start="00:02:26.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, my introduction""" start="00:02:31.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just a video that gets included.""" start="00:02:34.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the notes that I use, the voiceover,""" start="00:02:37.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also included in the LaTeX file.""" start="00:02:41.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me... It'll probably be easy""" start="00:02:47.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to take those voiceover notes""" start="00:02:50.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then align them with a tool like Aeneas""" start="00:02:52.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make subtitles for your videos.""" start="00:02:54.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exactly, and that is what I do.""" start="00:02:58.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there is a way to gather them all as P-notes.""" start="00:03:01.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so all the P-notes get together in a single file,""" start="00:03:08.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you feed that to Aeneas, and it will align them.""" start="00:03:13.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there is the work of using your subed""" start="00:03:20.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just get the right sort of line length on them.""" start="00:03:23.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you did all of that for me this year, Sacha.""" start="00:03:30.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:03:33.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was just a matter of not having time.""" start="00:03:34.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, I planned to do it myself. It's all right.""" start="00:03:37.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was very easy since he provided the full narration.""" start="00:03:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still need to tweak it sometimes,""" start="00:03:46.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I often use the waveforms in subed""" start="00:03:50.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to find the right starting time and ending time for things.""" start="00:03:52.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it is so nice to have a presentation""" start="00:03:58.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can experience it in different forms,""" start="00:04:01.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an article, as a video, as a post with links and everything.""" start="00:04:03.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very handy.""" start="00:04:10.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, and in case a teacher uses this for class lectures,""" start="00:04:11.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the student profits from all sorts.""" start="00:04:20.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The article presentation format is very useful""" start="00:04:26.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a student to add their own notes to it and the rest.""" start="00:04:29.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exactly as you said, having multiple forms is great.""" start="00:04:33.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Video has its place, reveal has its place,""" start="00:04:37.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PDF has its place, article has its place.""" start="00:04:40.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of them work together.""" start="00:04:44.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Making presentations easier to distribute""" start="00:04:48.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I've been having a hard time figuring out""" start="00:04:48.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to make the reveal.js version of a presentation""" start="00:04:50.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more easily distributable, though.""" start="00:04:54.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something we've had a hard time""" start="00:04:57.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with in the past, too.""" start="00:04:58.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have these lovely EmacsConf presentations""" start="00:05:00.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that could be reveal presentations,""" start="00:05:02.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but hosting them doesn't quite fit""" start="00:05:04.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the usual assumptions people have. Exactly, exactly.""" start="00:05:07.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we were to have a reveal server,""" start="00:05:13.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we could upload our reveal inputs to it.""" start="00:05:16.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you're right, we should look""" start="00:05:20.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some sort of a packaging""" start="00:05:25.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is more plug and distribute. 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So, this is the Reveal output.""" start="00:05:45.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all of these, you see the images and the audio""" start="00:05:53.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my own environment are SIM links to where I keep them.""" start="00:05:57.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So those need to come in,""" start="00:06:02.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the reveal output really comes right here.""" start="00:06:06.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is how it looks.""" start="00:06:10.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If that's a link you can add to the pad,""" start="00:06:13.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I can add you to the top page afterwards.""" start="00:06:15.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think as a, as a speaker,""" start="00:06:19.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tend to just self host the thing.""" start="00:06:21.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that way also, if I find a bug, which often happens,""" start="00:06:24.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go and quietly update it.""" start="00:06:28.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exactly. Exactly. Sure. Sure. Yeah.""" start="00:06:30.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This right now, what we are looking at is from GitHub.""" start="00:06:36.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the audio and the images, of course, are large,""" start="00:06:44.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I did not upload them. But I can send them, sure.""" start="00:06:48.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, a few other things maybe I can elaborate on.""" start="00:06:55.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the bootstrapping page for BISOS, also on there.""" start="00:07:02.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if somebody wanted to actually""" start="00:07:08.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dig deeper and go through this,""" start="00:07:11.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a good starting point would be my GitHub page.""" start="00:07:12.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But my GitHub page is not done and organized the usual way.""" start="00:07:18.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I only have three repositories""" start="00:07:24.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the repositories basically say,""" start="00:07:27.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is where you need to go.""" start="00:07:30.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all of my work is organized as organizations.""" start="00:07:32.267" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, for Emacs, if you were to go to BxBlee,""" start="00:07:39.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see all the relevant repos for that purpose.""" start="00:07:48.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, if you wanted to""" start="00:07:56.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come and take a look at mail template,""" start="00:07:58.976" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""templating, distribution, and tracking,""" start="00:08:03.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would get a Emacs package ready to go over here.""" start="00:08:08.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""GitHub organizations""" start="00:08:15.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But again, all of this is through the use of GitHub organizations.""" start="00:08:15.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my repos are by subject""" start="00:08:23.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the BISOS itself has 69 repositories""" start="00:08:26.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where different sections of it are packaged as PIP packages.""" start="00:08:33.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, for LCNT, we can go there.""" start="00:08:38.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, these are the packages that let you,""" start="00:08:42.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me go there, that let you dissect.""" start="00:08:46.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, you have your slides shared at the moment,""" start="00:08:53.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I don't know if you're in a different tab.""" start="00:08:55.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, am I in a different tab?""" start="00:08:59.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought that that would follow me.""" start="00:09:03.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I am in a different tab. Let me see.""" start="00:09:06.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the one that you are seeing,""" start="00:09:16.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so let me go over here. Perfect. Now you're seeing it.""" start="00:09:19.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So literally on the same page. Awesome. Right.""" start="00:09:28.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you were not actually seeing what I was saying.""" start="00:09:31.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, so what I was saying that is that""" start="00:09:33.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you go to my primary website, GitHub page,""" start="00:09:36.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see that there are only three repos there.""" start="00:09:42.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those repos just give information""" start="00:09:45.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about where the real repos are.""" start="00:09:49.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the real repos are organized in various organizations.""" start="00:09:52.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, for Emacs packages, I use the bxblee""" start="00:09:57.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in there, there are 40 repositories.""" start="00:10:06.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as an example, you can choose, for example,""" start="00:10:12.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AI plus is just a few additional libraries for menus, for Aidermacs.""" start="00:10:15.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the rest of BLEE is done that way as well.""" start="00:10:26.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you were to let me also show""" start="00:10:31.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more relevant stuff to the content generation.""" start="00:10:36.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And everything related to BISOS in Python is in BISOS-PIP.""" start="00:10:43.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are packages that are ready""" start="00:10:48.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be exported to pypi and""" start="00:10:52.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, for LCNT, if you go here,""" start="00:10:57.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's go to the bin directory.""" start="00:11:02.750" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the utilities that dissect the PDF output of Beamer""" start="00:11:04.559" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""convert it to images so that you can insert them in Reveal.""" start="00:11:15.809" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then again, if you were to just wanted to dig deeper""" start="00:11:23.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in any of these as components,""" start="00:11:29.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would simply start from this top level page""" start="00:11:34.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and explore the organizations.""" start="00:11:40.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in total, maybe there is 300 repos,""" start="00:11:44.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they are organized by subject matter""" start="00:11:48.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within GitHub organizations.""" start="00:11:54.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. One additional general comment.""" start="00:12:03.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you were to look at my presentation,""" start="00:12:10.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd say I touched on five different topics.""" start="00:12:13.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, one topic was this content generation in general.""" start="00:12:17.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Challenge of DIY model and recipes""" start="00:12:24.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second one was this challenge of DIY model and recipes""" start="00:12:24.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versus building something large""" start="00:12:35.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and including everything in it.""" start="00:12:38.320" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we should start thinking as providing solutions""" start="00:13:11.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as opposed to minor pieces and packages""" start="00:13:17.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put them all together and claim them as our own digital ecosystem.""" start="00:13:23.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the concept behind ByStar, BISOS and BLEE.""" start="00:13:30.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The third point I was making throughout""" start="00:13:38.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is this concept of dynamic blocks everywhere,""" start="00:13:41.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Comeega, which is the inverse of Babel.""" start="00:13:45.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'd also be interested in feedback on those.""" start="00:13:51.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Dblocks everywhere""" start="00:13:57.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I think the dblocks everywhere concept,""" start="00:13:57.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can very quickly show that.""" start="00:14:03.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be in the LaTeX file, as an example.""" start="00:14:13.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't really do a good job in digging deeper into that.""" start="00:14:18.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you go to the sources""" start="00:14:23.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you look at any of the slides,""" start="00:14:25.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All the slides are in here inside of a dynamic block.""" start="00:14:31.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is an org dblock,""" start="00:14:39.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you would invoke it in LaTeX mode.""" start="00:14:41.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then from this begin to this end,""" start="00:14:46.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything is auto-generated""" start="00:14:51.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the Elisp function, body:mm/video.""" start="00:14:54.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the parameters that it takes are the video path.""" start="00:15:00.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all of this code is repeated all over the place.""" start="00:15:06.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And all you need in it is the video path.""" start="00:15:12.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's very easy to think of this as a macro capability,""" start="00:15:15.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except that the macro is visible.""" start="00:15:21.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has one additional benefit""" start="00:15:25.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on top of general macro capabilities,""" start="00:15:29.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that is that it's open.""" start="00:15:34.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this particular case, it closes,""" start="00:15:36.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let me show you another one where it is open.""" start="00:15:41.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you look at, this is latex section, this one is good.""" start="00:15:46.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a derived image. 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What changes have you seen?""" start="00:17:09.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the culture while developing all these things""" start="00:17:20.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Libre-halaal system and now Blee-LCNT?""" start="00:17:24.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, it's a work in progress, I would say.""" start="00:17:36.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We learn from one another.""" start="00:17:40.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I'm doing may be considered""" start="00:17:43.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just a stepwise increment,""" start="00:17:47.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the cultural input is that we really should start""" start="00:17:52.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thinking about providing solutions as opposed to packages.""" start="00:18:01.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The FOSS culture is really limited in its scope to packages""" start="00:18:09.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even if when you think something very large like Debian,""" start="00:18:19.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a collection of packages.""" start="00:18:24.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is still choice oriented,""" start="00:18:28.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as opposed to solution oriented.""" start="00:18:31.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. 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start="00:19:34.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which coexist with the IPR system.""" start="00:19:42.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is the practical thing to do.""" start="00:19:49.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are doing a jujitsu on IPR.""" start="00:19:52.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are saying that this is our license to it.""" start="00:19:55.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But conceptually, there has been little discussion""" start="00:20:00.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also positioning on this basic question""" start="00:20:07.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as to whether or not copyright""" start="00:20:14.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and patents are valid or invalid.""" start="00:20:17.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I am saying is that it is clear that they are invalid,""" start="00:20:21.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly once you start looking at them""" start="00:20:26.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the lens of polyexistentials.""" start="00:20:30.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that the FOSS movement""" start="00:20:33.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really needs to combine these two,""" start="00:20:39.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this notion of free software and open source licenses,""" start="00:20:42.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and combined with the belief system""" start="00:20:47.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we are completely and utterly against""" start="00:20:51.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the validity of the Western intellectual property rights regime.""" start="00:20:55.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I use the Western and the American occasionally,""" start="00:21:00.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the reason behind that is that in fact it is, they are Western.""" start="00:21:05.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go to any other language, if you go to Farsi,""" start="00:21:12.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you go to Arabic, if you go to Chinese,""" start="00:21:16.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you go to Japanese, which are non-Western cultures,""" start="00:21:19.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the concept of intellectual property,""" start="00:21:24.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the words, the vocabulary of those""" start="00:21:28.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""combination of intellectual and property,""" start="00:21:33.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did not exist anywhere in those cultures.""" start="00:21:36.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only in the past, maybe 60, 70 years""" start="00:21:40.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they have been translated from the Western world and brought into it.""" start="00:21:44.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there is an inherent root""" start="00:21:52.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the intellectual property rights system,""" start="00:21:54.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which goes to the Western culture.""" start="00:21:58.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second point that I have brought into""" start="00:22:02.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this presentation and the previous ones""" start="00:22:08.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is this question of, if we go with free software,""" start="00:22:11.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we go with open software,""" start="00:22:16.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are we really creating the right labels?""" start="00:22:18.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my point is that no, neither of them,""" start="00:22:22.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""neither free software, nor open source""" start="00:22:25.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are capturing really the essence""" start="00:22:29.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what we are trying to do.""" start="00:22:33.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I claim that that is in fact ethics and morality.""" start="00:22:36.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is societal belief that if we reject""" start="00:22:41.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intellectual property rights regime,""" start="00:22:48.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do we replace it with?""" start="00:22:51.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in my thinking is that a software developer""" start="00:22:53.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does not get to choose""" start="00:22:58.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what license goes with his or her software,""" start="00:23:00.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that the equivalent of a Affero GPL""" start="00:23:04.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the default correct license""" start="00:23:09.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use for all of your software""" start="00:23:13.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it is the one that reflects the belief system""" start="00:23:16.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that all software should be ethical software.""" start="00:23:21.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'm looking at the Etherpad again and""" start="00:23:24.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Given that large AI companies are openly stealing IP and copyright, thereby eroding the authority of such law (and eroding truth itself as well), can you see a future where IP & copyright flaw become untenable and what sort of onwards effect might that have?""" start="00:23:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The question is about IP and AI.""" start="00:23:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, over the past two years,""" start="00:23:48.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something huge has happened.""" start="00:23:54.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I am seeing in there as a solution""" start="00:23:56.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is essentially comes down to a talk""" start="00:24:04.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was given maybe two years ago by someone at EmacsConf,""" start="00:24:12.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its label was attribution-based economics.""" start="00:24:16.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In my thinking, intellectual property""" start="00:24:22.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a whole is invalid.""" start="00:24:28.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that means that through something like a Affero GPL,""" start="00:24:29.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you focus on attribution basing, proper attribution basing.""" start="00:24:36.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If somebody has done some work,""" start="00:24:41.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should be clear, no matter what, that that work is his.""" start="00:24:43.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that we already, even prior to AI, we were seeing this.""" start="00:24:48.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We were seeing large GitHub repos with hundreds of authors.""" start="00:24:54.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it was utterly unclear as to who would own this whole thing.""" start="00:24:59.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And any piece of it is not of significance.""" start="00:25:09.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is of significance is the whole thing.""" start="00:25:14.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So moving towards that attribution based economics is key.""" start="00:25:16.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then once we do that,""" start="00:25:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we accept AI as a reality.""" start="00:25:27.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AI should still take very seriously""" start="00:25:31.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and conform to attribution-based economics.""" start="00:25:38.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In other words, what is generated by the machine""" start="00:25:44.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should not be claimed to be no one's""" start="00:25:47.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the machine owners, the AI owners.""" start="00:25:51.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should still clearly be attributed""" start="00:25:54.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the people who contributed in its creation.""" start="00:25:56.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This all becomes very muddy, very clear,""" start="00:26:03.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't have a simple or clear answer to it.""" start="00:26:06.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the perimeters of the solution lie in""" start="00:26:11.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rejection of intellectual property,""" start="00:26:16.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacement of the intellectual property""" start="00:26:21.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with attribution-based economics,""" start="00:26:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and restrictions on AI use""" start="00:26:27.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of not properly attributed content.""" start="00:26:31.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'd say that would be, it's a complicated topic""" start="00:26:38.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would simply say I haven't figured it out at all.""" start="00:26:50.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just have a perimeter set of concepts""" start="00:26:56.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be used to drive it.""" start="00:27:03.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there any other questions? If there aren't any,""" start="00:27:06.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thank everybody again,""" start="00:27:20.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and particularly the EmacsConf organizers and Sacha.""" start="00:27:23.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I look forward to continuing all of this next year.""" start="00:27:27.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unless there is any objection,""" start="00:27:32.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll leave the session and close it. Thank you.""" start="00:27:39.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee-lcnt%3A%20Blee-LCNT%3A%20An%20Emacs-centered%20content%20production%20and%20self-publication%20framework) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/blee-lcnt-before.md b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4b72b35d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 37-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt> +Status: TO_CAPTION_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-blee-lcnt"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-blee-lcnt" data=""" +00:05.760 Introduction +01:20.080 Scope: A complete multi-media content processing framework +02:10.320 Prior art and similar art +03:02.420 LaTeX-Beamer + Reveal.js with Blee and BISOS +03:57.160 Blee-LCNT novel concepts +05:12.520 Part of a bigger picture - part of a series +06:32.560 Nature of polyexistentials +12:52.640 Content processing - a ByStar/BISOS/Blee Capability Bundle (BCB) +14:23.120 ByStar containment hierarchy and ByStar capability bundles +14:31.280 Aggregated conviviality of ByStar capabilities +15:22.000 Parts list: integrated components +15:47.868 Resulting contents - output forms and formats +18:45.720 reveal.js +20:31.980 Generating the video +21:33.480 A unified single input -- a sequencef of frames +22:39.180 Abstractions to keep in mind +23:16.200 Frame control types +24:24.360 How outputs are generate from the inputs +26:25.200 Context for unified source walkthrough +27:46.480 One slide +29:24.080 Dynamic blocks +31:05.800 Internationalization - a non-Americanist perspective +33:42.280 Autonomous self-publication and federated re-publications +35:07.720 Ingredients of BISOS platforms and their progression +36:02.560 Moving forward + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 36:41 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.opus">Download --main.opus (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--main.webm">Download --main.webm (97MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--script.txt">Download --script.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--split.vtt">Download --split.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/49e0ES-nk0k">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-blee-lcnt"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="qanda-blee-lcnt" data=""" +00:22.880 Q: Where do we find all the inputs and outputs you mentioned? +04:48.400 Making presentations easier to distribute +05:42.040 Reveal output +08:15.000 GitHub organizations +12:24.040 Challenge of DIY model and recipes +13:57.480 Dblocks everywhere +17:09.960 Q: What changes have you seen in the culture while developing all these things like libre-halal system and now blee-lcnt? +19:11.160 Intellectual property rights +23:43.560 Q: Given that large AI companies are openly stealing IP and copyright, thereby eroding the authority of such law (and eroding truth itself as well), can you see a future where IP & copyright flaw become untenable and what sort of onwards effect might that have? + +"""]]<div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-blee-lcnt-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 27:45 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-blee-lcnt">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (111MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (24MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-blee-lcnt--bleelcnt-an-emacscentered-content-production-and-selfpublication-framework--mohsen-banan--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (55MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/blee-lcnt-nav.md b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..70dd2eb8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/blee-lcnt-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/calc">Basic Calc functionality for engineering or electronics</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/greader">GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0f66ac66 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1526 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="bookclub-tapas-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.620" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Alright! Hi everyone! Happy EmacsConf!""" start="00:00:00.620" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I´m so excited to be here.""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's surreal to be part""" start="00:00:07.080" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the conference itself,""" start="00:00:07.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in addition to being a viewer.""" start="00:00:09.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf is like Christmas to me,""" start="00:00:11.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm so excited when it comes around every year.""" start="00:00:13.880" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, my talk is on a programming methodology""" start="00:00:18.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've created, discovered, stumbled upon.""" start="00:00:21.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I call it "Bookclub Tapas."""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before we get into that,""" start="00:00:26.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me introduce myself.""" start="00:00:27.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hi, I'm Maddie!""" start="00:00:29.680" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""My name is Maddie Sullivan,""" start="00:00:29.680" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my pronouns are she/her.""" start="00:00:32.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I go by the handle ElephantErgonomics,""" start="00:00:34.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is shortened down to ElephantErgo in the IRC.""" start="00:00:36.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can reach out to me after the talk""" start="00:00:41.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for questions, comments,""" start="00:00:43.080" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just to say hello by reaching out""" start="00:00:44.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hello@ElephantErgonomics.com.""" start="00:00:47.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this software development strategy I found,""" start="00:00:56.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's inspired by literate programming and Agile.""" start="00:01:00.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Bookclub Tapas""" start="00:01:03.840" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what exactly is Bookclub Tapas?""" start="00:01:03.840" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub Tapas is a conversation""" start="00:01:07.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you have with yourself.""" start="00:01:09.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a log and a ledger,""" start="00:01:11.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your intentions, hopes, dreams,""" start="00:01:13.480" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what you've learned""" start="00:01:16.520" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the course of development.""" start="00:01:17.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub Tapas is an oracle""" start="00:01:19.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can consult""" start="00:01:22.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the state of, and the strategies behind,""" start="00:01:24.200" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your development process.""" start="00:01:26.934" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub Tapas is also a peer programming partner""" start="00:01:29.560" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helps you decide how to best put forward your efforts""" start="00:01:33.480" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to best pull together""" start="00:01:37.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you're working on.""" start="00:01:38.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub Tapas will also help you to understand""" start="00:01:40.400" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to tailor scope to your needs,""" start="00:01:42.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to have the best parts""" start="00:01:45.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your program shine through clearly.""" start="00:01:46.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub Tapas consists of two parts:""" start="00:01:49.400" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub and Tapas,""" start="00:01:52.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but what does that mean exactly, though?""" start="00:01:54.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Bookclub""" start="00:02:00.520" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Bookclub is a reverse literate development strategy.""" start="00:02:00.520" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub is a time for you to write,""" start="00:02:04.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then read and reflect.""" start="00:02:07.480" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like a Bookclub,""" start="00:02:08.960" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's for your program.""" start="00:02:10.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of inserting narration into your code""" start="00:02:12.560" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to narrativize what you are accomplishing,""" start="00:02:15.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are instead inserting snippets of code""" start="00:02:17.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your narrative to make it come alive.""" start="00:02:20.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, what are we narrativizing, exactly?""" start="00:02:23.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What sort of story are we telling?""" start="00:02:28.000" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bookclub is the story of you, your program,""" start="00:02:30.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how your efforts are allowing your program""" start="00:02:34.320" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to come into the world.""" start="00:02:36.560" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Too many hats, too many roles""" start="00:02:40.300" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Software developers naturally have to wear""" start="00:02:40.300" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of different hats,""" start="00:02:42.480" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and take on a lot of different roles.""" start="00:02:43.680" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We apply ourselves into a lot""" start="00:02:46.480" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of different contexts.""" start="00:02:48.160" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do research, interface architecture design,""" start="00:02:50.080" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mathematics, 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video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to get a chance""" start="00:03:42.680" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reconcile that gap.""" start="00:03:43.720" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's honestly all way too much.""" start="00:03:46.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need a ledger of what we're actually doing""" start="00:03:48.000" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to stay sane.""" start="00:03:50.240" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Narrativiation""" start="00:03:55.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I think a really effective way to""" start="00:03:55.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sense of things that 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video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""their own separate Tapas as needed.""" start="00:21:12.880" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My hope is that the collection of our Tapas,""" start="00:21:16.460" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially as we create""" start="00:21:18.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dependency chains among them,""" start="00:21:20.600" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that each next Tapa is a trivial case""" start="00:21:22.320" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the one prerequisite to it.""" start="00:21:25.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every Tapa is a meaningful,""" start="00:21:27.100" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""human-readable abstraction""" 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+[[!template text="""a huge final product,""" start="00:21:48.880" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but each individual step""" start="00:21:51.260" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in working towards that goal""" start="00:21:52.760" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is still at a human scale.""" start="00:21:54.280" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing I want to make sure to point out,""" start="00:21:56.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one thing I want to make sure""" start="00:22:02.180" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to point out explicitly, real quick,""" start="00:22:03.280" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that having access""" start="00:22:05.180" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a hygienic macro system,""" start="00:22:06.280" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the ones that we have in Lisps,""" start="00:22:07.840" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes for an amazing experience""" start="00:22:10.260" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for creating Tapas.""" start="00:22:12.000" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The types of abstractions that we can do""" start="00:22:13.320" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by modifying syntax at compile time""" start="00:22:15.280" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes for incredibly intuitive""" start="00:22:17.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and ergonomic tooling.""" start="00:22:18.440" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +<div 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+[[!template text="""in accordance with the sequence""" start="00:23:00.301" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the names of the directories.""" start="00:23:01.801" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do this by having the file-tags line""" start="00:23:04.200" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the file""" start="00:23:06.168" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just list the path segments in order.""" start="00:23:07.000" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I have an Org file in the directory""" start="00:23:09.520" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""~/Documents/foo/bar",""" start="00:23:12.200" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the file-tags line has the tags "foo" and "bar".""" start="00:23:16.560" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is totally fine to do by hand,""" start="00:23:20.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I want a program""" start="00:23:23.140" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that recursively searches through my directories""" start="00:23:24.920" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to validate that the tags are correct""" start="00:23:27.120" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's easy to drop something.""" start="00:23:29.800" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This scale of problem is actually kind of perfect""" start="00:23:33.460" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for demonstrating how Bookclub Tapas work in action.""" start="00:23:36.040" video="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] 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What am I thinking of?""" start="00:07:06.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I just saw that I got an email""" start="00:07:13.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm like, yeah, okay, cool.""" start="00:07:19.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Case in point, right? We are at case in point, you know,""" start="00:07:22.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of sight, out of mind. Yes, no, absolutely.""" start="00:07:27.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, no, exactly. 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and Apache real quick, just something.""" start="00:38:09.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the website will be going up. It's just not up yet.""" start="00:38:12.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the very last thing is that""" start="00:38:16.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would really like to thank everyone""" start="00:38:19.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helped me to get here. I would like to thank you know,""" start="00:38:22.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of my, you know, I would like to thank my fiance.""" start="00:38:27.200" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank all of my friends.""" start="00:38:32.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank my, you know,""" start="00:38:34.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my mentor and business partner, Sharon.""" start="00:38:39.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank Tracy, my therapist.""" start="00:38:42.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank my parents.""" start="00:38:45.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I invited people to come watch this thing,""" start="00:38:48.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would like to thank all of them.""" start="00:38:53.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank everyone""" start="00:38:55.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who was planning on coming to this event anyway.""" start="00:38:57.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emacs community is incredible, incredibly encouraging,""" start="00:39:02.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""incredibly kind, incredibly smart and talented.""" start="00:39:06.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Y'all make Emacs what it is, and it is so cool.""" start="00:39:09.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank you, Satya.""" start="00:39:13.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to thank all of the organizers""" start="00:39:15.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made this possible.""" start="00:39:19.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This thing is the coolest and it was, this was so cool.""" start="00:39:20.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hello@ElephantErgonomics.com](mailto:hello@ElephantErgonomics.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20bookclub-tapas%3A%20Bookclub%20tapas) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-before.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9a2f6c00 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 32-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-bookclub-tapas" data=""" +00:00.620 Introduction +00:29.680 Hi, I'm Maddie! +01:03.840 Bookclub Tapas +02:00.520 Bookclub +02:40.300 Too many hats, too many roles +03:55.800 Narrativiation +05:24.780 My starter kit - My stock, off the shelf suggestions +05:47.660 Now what? +05:58.980 Our overarching goal +06:23.460 Our development focuses +07:05.120 The rest of the headings +08:37.980 Conversationality +10:55.480 Ad-hoc means lesricsf tion +13:01.920 Gratis documentation +14:48.440 Keeping the thread of your intention +16:21.500 Bookclub is becoming too much +17:25.240 Introducing Tapas +18:22.840 What are Tapas, what are Tapas not? +22:25.180 Tapas are maybe best illustrated by example +25:52.340 Introducing Squint +28:36.100 What else does Bookclub Tapas do? +29:08.160 Let's work together + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 31:25 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.opus">Download --main.opus (27MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--main.webm">Download --main.webm (74MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--script.org">Download --script.org</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/GAOZzrm6ecA">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-bookclub-tapas">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (100MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-bookclub-tapas--bookclub-tapas--maddie-sullivan--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (107MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-nav.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9cc95b9c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gardening">Gardening in Emacs: A Windows user's tale of tending, tweaking, and triumph</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/schemacs">One year progress update Schemacs (formerly Gypsum)</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/calc-after.md b/2025/info/calc-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7c0f6ebf --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/calc-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,314 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="calc-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:03.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Christopher Howard and welcome to my talk.""" start="00:00:03.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is basically an introduction""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the built-in Emacs calculator,""" start="00:00:11.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""properly known as Emacs Calc,""" start="00:00:15.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly from the perspective of someone""" start="00:00:18.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a technical background such as engineering or electronics.""" start="00:00:21.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will say, though, my personal interest is not really""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in digital computing or digital calculators,""" start="00:00:32.880" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but lately has been focused more on analog computing.""" start="00:00:37.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have, for example, been working to master""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the venerable slide rule, a mechanical computer""" start="00:00:46.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that calculates multiplication powers and logarithms.""" start="00:00:50.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a picture of one.""" start="00:00:57.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a physical tool that was used for hundreds of years""" start="00:01:02.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for this sort of thing""" start="00:01:06.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before the handheld calculator was made popular.""" start="00:01:09.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also had a project that I did""" start="00:01:16.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a while to several months""" start="00:01:18.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to build an electronic analog computer.""" start="00:01:21.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A rudimentary attempt of mine, but it's functional,""" start="00:01:33.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's basically a 1960s or 1970s style""" start="00:01:38.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""electronic analog computer built very much on a budget,""" start="00:01:43.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the box in the middle is the computer proper""" start="00:01:48.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has most of the components inside of it""" start="00:01:52.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the potentiometers for setting values,""" start="00:01:55.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an operation switch.""" start="00:02:00.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a patch panel on the left""" start="00:02:02.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for connecting the different integrators,""" start="00:02:04.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amplifiers, multipliers, and so forth together.""" start="00:02:07.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then the output of the simulation is displayed""" start="00:02:11.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the oscilloscope on the right side,""" start="00:02:16.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a digital oscilloscope.""" start="00:02:19.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be honest, I think that a talk about analog computing""" start="00:02:25.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be much more interesting""" start="00:02:28.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than the talk that I'm about to give,""" start="00:02:30.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but unfortunately that would be out of scope for EmacsConf.""" start="00:02:32.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is Calc?""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So instead I will talk about Emacs Calc,""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the digital calculator built into Emacs.""" start="00:02:39.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Calc, while not being a replacement for software""" start="00:02:43.360" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like GNU Octave, does have advanced calculator functionality""" start="00:02:47.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be useful in engineering, electronics,""" start="00:02:51.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or other technical applications. So I don't want to oversell it,""" start="00:02:55.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think functionality-wise, Calc is somewhere in between""" start="00:03:00.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you'd expect of a decent scientific calculator""" start="00:03:06.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an advanced graphics calculator.""" start="00:03:12.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this talk I'll mention is not intended to be a tutorial""" start="00:03:23.940" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but only a brief introduction to Calc.""" start="00:03:28.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please refer to the built-in Calc info manual""" start="00:03:33.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for detailed instructions on how to complete operations.""" start="00:03:37.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Turn off my volume here.""" start="00:03:46.740" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The documentation for Emacs Calc is built-in,""" start="00:04:01.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although on some distributions you may have to install""" start="00:04:05.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs documentation separately for licensing reasons.""" start="00:04:10.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Calc presents itself as a stack-based calculator""" start="00:04:24.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where entries are dropped onto a stack""" start="00:04:28.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then an operation is performed on the stack entries.""" start="00:04:31.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I can drop 1.23 onto the stack,""" start="00:04:36.740" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then 8.56, and then multiply them together.""" start="00:04:42.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""calc-algebraic-entry""" start="00:04:54.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It may present itself as a stack-based calculator,""" start="00:04:54.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but indeed, Calc is also capable of accepting input""" start="00:05:01.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the more well-known algebraic format""" start="00:05:05.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by using the calc-algebraic-entry command,""" start="00:05:07.740" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which by default is bound to the apostrophe (') key.""" start="00:05:10.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you type the apostrophe key, enter the algebraic input,""" start="00:05:15.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including parentheses as needed.""" start="00:05:19.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, here's a calculation of the resonance frequency""" start="00:05:22.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a coil which has an inductance of 250 microhenries""" start="00:05:28.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 160 picofarads, taken from one of my electronics handbooks.""" start="00:05:35.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The formula for that is 1 over 2 pi""" start="00:05:41.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the square root of our inductance""" start="00:05:50.020" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in this case 250 microfarads - excuse me, microhenries""" start="00:05:57.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the capacitance is 160 picofarads.""" start="00:06:06.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Small typo here.""" start="00:06:19.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I need to evaluate that one more time,""" start="00:06:24.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because pi is a symbol.""" start="00:06:26.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get about 800 kHz resonant frequency.""" start="00:06:30.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""calc-roll-down""" start="00:06:37.399" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The command calc-roll-down,""" start="00:06:37.399" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can be done by passing extra arguments""" start="00:07:18.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the calc-roll-down function.""" start="00:07:21.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a little bit inconvenient to do manually,""" start="00:07:23.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so in my init file, I defined here a key definition""" start="00:07:28.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that passes in those arguments correctly.""" start="00:07:40.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I attached this to shift-tab,""" start="00:07:45.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this way, I can roll the entire stack.""" start="00:07:49.180" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I could change one entry here""" start="00:07:52.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then put it back where it was.""" start="00:07:56.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Calc does algebraic input.""" start="00:08:03.460" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Advanced functions""" start="00:08:07.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It also does advanced functions""" start="00:08:07.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you would expect any handheld scientific calculator,""" start="00:08:10.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including trigonometric functions.""" start="00:08:15.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, we can get the sine of a number.""" start="00:08:19.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'll mention here that Calc has multiple modes.""" start="00:08:25.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now it's in degree mode.""" start="00:08:30.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can switch over to radian mode if you want.""" start="00:08:32.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put it back in degrees.""" start="00:08:38.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drop 12 degrees on the stack, and then get the sine of that.""" start="00:08:42.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then with the inverse sine function, I can put it back.""" start="00:08:49.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solving equations with calc-solve-for""" start="00:08:58.180" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Calc also has the nifty ability to solve equations for you""" start="00:08:58.180" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so long as the equation is not too complicated.""" start="00:09:07.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is using the calc-solve-for function.""" start="00:09:13.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, we could enter in an equation algebraically,""" start="00:09:19.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then run calc-solve-for, and we just have to tell it""" start="00:09:31.700" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what variable we want to solve for. And there we go.""" start="00:09:36.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can do this manually as well""" start="00:09:41.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just so you can see that we get the same result.""" start="00:09:43.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Systems of equations""" start="00:09:54.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Calc is also able to solve systems of equations.""" start="00:09:54.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can put more than one equation on the stack,""" start="00:09:57.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then solve for several variables.""" start="00:10:03.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To give a technical example for this,""" start="00:10:08.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you a resistor network scribble that I did recently.""" start="00:10:13.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully you can see that. Basically,""" start="00:10:30.660" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's fairly simple, a pretty simple resistor network""" start="00:10:32.820" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with 1 kilo ohm and 10 kilo ohm resistors,""" start="00:10:38.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and using the loop methods, we are calculating the currents,""" start="00:10:42.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the current in each loop, and then that current can be used""" start="00:10:48.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to solve for the voltage of each individual resistor""" start="00:10:52.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we want to. So at the bottom there we have the equations""" start="00:10:58.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we come up with as we work through each loop.""" start="00:11:06.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to paste that into Calc.""" start="00:11:11.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To save some time, I'm going to copy and paste that""" start="00:11:19.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from my notes instead of typing it out.""" start="00:11:22.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have two equations there on the stack""" start="00:11:34.260" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one stack entry. We run that calc-solve-for function again,""" start="00:11:38.260" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we tell it which variables we want to solve for.""" start="00:11:44.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And voila! Those are our currents,""" start="00:11:49.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we can then use to get the voltages""" start="00:11:51.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the individual resistors.""" start="00:11:55.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""calc-find-root""" start="00:12:00.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'll just briefly mention""" start="00:12:00.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that if Calc is not able to solve an equation""" start="00:12:02.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with calc-solve-for,""" start="00:12:05.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you might be helped by another calc function""" start="00:12:07.780" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called calc-find-root.""" start="00:12:10.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This function basically does a manual search""" start="00:12:11.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a numerical solution to the equation.""" start="00:12:14.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's the documentation page on that.""" start="00:12:30.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Derivatives and integrals""" start="00:12:39.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Calc can also solve or find derivatives of functions,""" start="00:12:39.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the more straightforward functions.""" start="00:12:44.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For a simple example,""" start="00:12:47.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can get the derivative of that""" start="00:12:49.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the derivative function.""" start="00:13:00.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, Calc is also capable of figuring out""" start="00:13:11.980" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indefinite integrals.""" start="00:13:17.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say we put that function back on the stack,""" start="00:13:22.100" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this time, we call the integral function.""" start="00:13:26.860" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There you go. Of course, you have to add""" start="00:13:32.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your own constant of integration.""" start="00:13:35.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For integrals that Calc cannot figure out symbolically,""" start="00:13:39.820" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a numerical integration method is available""" start="00:13:43.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the calc-num-integral command, which is documented...""" start="00:13:46.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The function documentation is available here, more or less.""" start="00:13:59.999" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Programmable functions""" start="00:14:17.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I definitely need to mention""" start="00:14:17.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Calc is capable of doing programmable functions.""" start="00:14:20.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is to say, you can program your own functions into Calc.""" start="00:14:24.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are three separate ways to do this.""" start="00:14:29.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is through a macro method""" start="00:14:32.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to Emacs's usual keyboard macros.""" start="00:14:36.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second method is to transform an algebraic function""" start="00:14:41.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a stored function definition.""" start="00:14:46.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the third is to use Elisp directly.""" start="00:14:50.860" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Personally, I find that the second method""" start="00:14:54.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the most practical, the most convenient and practical""" start="00:14:56.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my opinion. So I'll give a quick example of that.""" start="00:15:01.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I could... Let's say I wanted to have a function""" start="00:15:08.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for calculating capacitive reactance.""" start="00:15:14.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll define that in algebraic mode first.""" start="00:15:20.700" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The function for that is 1 over 2 pi""" start="00:15:28.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the frequency and the capacitance.""" start="00:15:33.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drop that on the stack. You see, it does automatically""" start="00:15:41.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get simplified a little bit, but it's the same function.""" start="00:15:44.960" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I press letters Z and F. Do that again.""" start="00:15:52.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Z and F to start transforming that into a stored function.""" start="00:15:58.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It asks me to select a user key, a single key press.""" start="00:16:06.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll use the letter c.""" start="00:16:11.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it's going to ask for a longer command name.""" start="00:16:15.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've actually defined this once before, so it prefilled in""" start="00:16:19.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that command name.""" start="00:16:24.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I need to enter which variables in the formula""" start="00:16:38.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are actual arguments, rather than just symbols""" start="00:16:43.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be evaluated later. I prefer to put this in with frequency""" start="00:16:46.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the capacitance after that,""" start="00:16:52.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but actually in this particular case,""" start="00:16:54.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't matter at all to the mathematics.""" start="00:16:57.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, now all I have to do, that this is defined,""" start="00:17:07.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is I can drop the frequency on the stack,""" start="00:17:11.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we'll say, for this example, will be 4.5 MHz,""" start="00:17:15.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then drop on the capacitance, which in this example""" start="00:17:24.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be 22 pF.""" start="00:17:32.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I'll call the function that I just defined.""" start="00:17:40.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really like having to try to remember""" start="00:17:42.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the short letters that I've come up with,""" start="00:17:45.240" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'll just use the longer name.""" start="00:17:48.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to evaluate one more time""" start="00:17:57.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the symbol pi is in there and not yet evaluated.""" start="00:17:59.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so if I've done that right,""" start="00:18:05.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have a capacitive reactance of about 1600 ohms.""" start="00:18:07.540" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Plotting""" start="00:18:12.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""As the last feature that I'll mention here,""" start="00:18:12.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Calc does have an interface with gnuplot,""" start="00:18:16.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to have Calc work as your graphing calculator.""" start="00:18:24.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do need to be honest and mention""" start="00:18:30.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't generally use it myself""" start="00:18:33.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's another program in GNOME""" start="00:18:35.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've found to be generally more convenient""" start="00:18:39.720" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the things that I want to graph quickly.""" start="00:18:43.500" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think I can give you a simple example.""" start="00:18:47.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So first, we need to drop a range on the stack.""" start="00:18:53.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say 0 to 10.""" start="00:19:00.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we need to drop the function on the stack.""" start="00:19:06.620" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I believe it's the letters g and f that graph this.""" start="00:19:11.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Yep, there we go.""" start="00:19:17.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's our function and it looks nice.""" start="00:19:22.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was pretty easy.""" start="00:19:25.060" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the fast way to do it.""" start="00:19:26.660" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will, as a disclaimer, mention that""" start="00:19:29.020" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using this quick approach,""" start="00:19:32.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that sometimes more complicated graphs""" start="00:19:34.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will not turn out nicely,""" start="00:19:38.760" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because by default, the resolution will be pretty low.""" start="00:19:40.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is to say it's... gnuplot is going to be""" start="00:19:44.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""skipping a lot of points""" start="00:19:48.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so you'll have to learn a bit more""" start="00:19:49.900" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how to use the interface,""" start="00:19:52.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what parameters to pass if you want all your graphs""" start="00:19:55.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to come out looking nice.""" start="00:19:59.520" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that covers all the features that I wanted to cover.""" start="00:20:03.700" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wish list""" start="00:20:08.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I wanted to briefly mention a wish list of items""" start="00:20:08.800" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'd like to see in Calc.""" start="00:20:13.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of them would be improper integrals.""" start="00:20:16.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's like our definite integrals""" start="00:20:23.640" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except for where a limit of integration is infinity.""" start="00:20:25.160" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that can be useful in a few applications.""" start="00:20:32.860" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something else that would be neat to have would be""" start="00:20:38.560" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""annotations for row entries. So for example""" start="00:20:41.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I was putting together a sum of numbers""" start="00:20:45.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for, say, my monthly budget,""" start="00:20:48.820" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say I was paying $2,000 for my rent""" start="00:20:53.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say $800 a month for my groceries,""" start="00:20:57.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(a lot of kids to feed there)""" start="00:21:03.832" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then say another $60 for dining out, and so on,""" start="00:21:07.932" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be nice if there was some way""" start="00:21:14.566" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put a little annotation next to each number""" start="00:21:18.260" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you could remember""" start="00:21:21.320" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what the meaning of that number was more easily.""" start="00:21:23.400" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually looked into programming this into Calc myself,""" start="00:21:27.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but discovered that it would require reprogramming""" start="00:21:31.200" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite a bit of Calc to make that work well""" start="00:21:35.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""across all calc functionality,""" start="00:21:41.840" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so, eventually, I gave up.""" start="00:21:43.480" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'd still really like to have that feature.""" start="00:21:46.940" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The final thing, though""" start="00:21:51.140" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this would not necessarily belong in Calc,""" start="00:21:52.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it would be cool if Emacs had some way""" start="00:21:54.580" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run numerical solutions""" start="00:21:57.920" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for systems of differential equations,""" start="00:22:00.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also known as a differential analyzer.""" start="00:22:02.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this would allow you to be able to set up simulation models""" start="00:22:06.020" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""involving systems of differential equations,""" start="00:22:09.280" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, a spring mass system, or pressure temperature,""" start="00:22:11.680" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or what have you, and then run the simulation""" start="00:22:14.880" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using numerical approximation.""" start="00:22:18.040" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe it would be silly""" start="00:22:22.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to actually put that in Calc itself,""" start="00:22:24.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but a nice interface maybe to some other software,""" start="00:22:26.000" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simple software that did that,""" start="00:22:30.340" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an easy to use interface for that""" start="00:22:33.300" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be really great.""" start="00:22:35.780" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:22:38.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So that's my entire talk.""" start="00:22:38.600" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just mention some information.""" start="00:22:41.801" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to learn more about me""" start="00:22:44.535" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or things that I'm interested in,""" start="00:22:48.366" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do not any longer have a web presence.""" start="00:22:50.120" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't have a website anymore,""" start="00:22:57.780" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do have a Gemini capsule""" start="00:22:59.660" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I post to all the time.""" start="00:23:03.360" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you can install, if you're willing to install the...""" start="00:23:07.140" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gemini browser known as Elpher""" start="00:23:13.880" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into Emacs, which is available from ELPA,""" start="00:23:19.080" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can browse directly to it""" start="00:23:23.699" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and look around my Gemini capsule.""" start="00:23:27.360" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:23:31.440" video="mainVideo-calc" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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This talk is on this tradition,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intelligent agents in Emacs""" start="00:00:07.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using my Leonardo software individuals,""" start="00:00:10.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've mistyped as I just wrote here, I see.""" start="00:00:13.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to Sacha and everyone""" start="00:00:16.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at EmacsConf and Emacs, I guess.""" start="00:00:20.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry that I was running late.""" start="00:00:25.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm screwlisp.small-web.org.""" start="00:00:26.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I run those one or two weekly shows for a long time,""" start="00:00:29.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Lispy Gopher Climate.""" start="00:00:34.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm active on the Mastodon at @screwlisp@gamerplus.org.""" start="00:00:35.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm screwtape on lambda.moo.mud.org.""" start="00:00:42.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I ported, over the last kind of year,""" start="00:00:46.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""years, to some extent, I ported Eric Sandewall's system""" start="00:00:50.475" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for developing intelligent software agents,""" start="00:00:58.500" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which he finished working on in 2014.""" start="00:01:01.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got it working again around 2025.""" start="00:01:04.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, we're going to take a long arc.""" start="00:01:10.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to motivate... This is the idea.""" start="00:01:14.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see I'm using Org Mode,""" start="00:01:16.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I hope provides a good example""" start="00:01:18.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all the Org-Mode-oriented talks this conference.""" start="00:01:19.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you can also see""" start="00:01:25.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm using Eduardo Ochs's eev minor mode with Org.""" start="00:01:26.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we can see a little bit of the difference""" start="00:01:33.108" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between these two, and that will kind of evolve into""" start="00:01:35.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my style with the agent communication in Emacs.""" start="00:01:39.208" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see I used eev anchors as my Emacs headings.""" start="00:01:45.260" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In eev, you just evaluate Elisp expressions""" start="00:01:53.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as links to places.""" start="00:01:56.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An anchor will link you somewhere else in the document.""" start="00:01:58.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my table of contents links to my talk, I guess.""" start="00:02:01.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anchors come in two halves,""" start="00:02:04.808" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's why I built that unique table of contents""" start="00:02:07.508" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""experience there. What else am I going to say?""" start="00:02:12.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Totally normal computing""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So first, let's just do some totally normal computing""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because intelligence is going to be difficult to describe.""" start="00:02:24.175" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's just try and compute normally in Emacs in Org Mode""" start="00:02:27.141" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then segue more so into eev,""" start="00:02:31.101" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe I would like if an agent was intelligent,""" start="00:02:34.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would think that an intelligent agent""" start="00:02:38.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would do something like what I'm doing.""" start="00:02:40.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be recognizably similar to what I do myself.""" start="00:02:43.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think the word intelligence is relevant""" start="00:02:47.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it's not related to something I'm not familiar with.""" start="00:02:52.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Using Emacs as a human""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Using Emacs as a human, reading headings from my article,""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Common Lisp. Right, my friend jeremy_list""" start="00:03:01.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wrote actually a big project,""" start="00:03:03.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but part of it was base64 encoding,""" start="00:03:06.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I just yoinked his C code for base64 encoding, I think.""" start="00:03:09.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just clearly some C-based 64 encoding.""" start="00:03:17.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go to my blog, his project is actually a C++ project""" start="00:03:20.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see me doing this with C++ rather than C.""" start="00:03:24.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But basically, you can go to my blog articles""" start="00:03:29.580" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want more detail to read something instead.""" start="00:03:33.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here's some embeddable Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:40.300" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jack Daniel's ECL ANSI Common Lisp compiler I guess.""" start="00:03:42.434" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just what it looks like.""" start="00:03:48.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see I'm using Org Mode trickily,""" start="00:03:49.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using noweb to put the lines of the C source block""" start="00:03:52.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this one. We're tangling it to this file""" start="00:03:56.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than evaluating it.""" start="00:04:00.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, literate programming, tangle and weave.""" start="00:04:01.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're just using Org Mode""" start="00:04:05.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the other Org Mode people""" start="00:04:07.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are all showing us this conference, I guess.""" start="00:04:09.198" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we have to compile it.""" start="00:04:12.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's always hard to remember these invocations for me.""" start="00:04:13.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Results file. The file is my .fas file,""" start="00:04:16.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the way ECL's C and C++ integration works""" start="00:04:20.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it just has to be seen by compile-file in Lisp.""" start="00:04:24.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cached this earlier.""" start="00:04:30.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I should actually start Lisp, actually, shouldn't I?""" start="00:04:32.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are we going to do this?""" start="00:04:36.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(setq inferior-lisp-program "ecl"). We could M-x slime.""" start="00:04:39.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because... we better actually load this.""" start="00:04:47.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did a dry run before.""" start="00:04:48.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we can just load this, because I already did it.""" start="00:04:54.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I cached it. 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So I wrote this higher-level Lisp one,""" start="00:05:13.620" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's not really the point.""" start="00:05:19.141" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Obviously, Emacs also has Base64 encoding.""" start="00:05:20.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a point that we might have""" start="00:05:26.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C++ and C external programs""" start="00:05:27.980" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we'd like to be integrating""" start="00:05:29.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into our Emacs agents capabilities.""" start="00:05:31.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we can see a normal named Org Mode source block.""" start="00:05:37.140" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that calls that function, then an Org Mode source block""" start="00:05:46.475" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that calls Emacs's base64-decode-string as a way of""" start="00:05:50.475" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""validating it, I guess.""" start="00:05:56.300" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We go to Org, so we can see...""" start="00:05:57.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a named call to that function calling the Lisp function""" start="00:06:00.141" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org is just kind of like this.""" start="00:06:04.408" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's cached but I don't seem to have run it before.""" start="00:06:07.041" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I do the Emacs decode.""" start="00:06:11.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we just run this using C-c C-c,""" start="00:06:13.575" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can kind of see""" start="00:06:15.975" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what Org Mode is like a little bit here.""" start="00:06:17.241" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, yes, so as we can see,""" start="00:06:22.180" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh hang on, let's run this as well actually.""" start="00:06:24.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the C embeddable Common Lisp""" start="00:06:27.660" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""base64 encoding gets us this.""" start="00:06:32.194" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then Emacs is decoding and gets us back,""" start="00:06:35.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of validates it. I think I'm missing some things.""" start="00:06:38.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't pad characters out to the correct byte lengths,""" start="00:06:40.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that kind of thing, but it's fine.""" start="00:06:43.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""using this via eev as a human""" start="00:06:45.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And then I kind of contrast that to,""" start="00:06:45.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really like what my friend mdhughes.tech,""" start="00:06:48.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""game dev of the ages, calls REPL-driven development,""" start="00:06:53.180" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which he says is kind of the opposite of literate coding.""" start="00:06:57.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think eev, at least for me,""" start="00:07:06.140" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is kind of like REPL-driven development.""" start="00:07:08.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in eev, if you just press F8, the thing happens.""" start="00:07:11.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if it's a red star line,""" start="00:07:16.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the thing is an Emacs Lisp thing,""" start="00:07:17.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and otherwise it goes to the eepitch target.""" start="00:07:19.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I do this, great, now I'm pitching to that slime""" start="00:07:23.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""REPL ECL I made. And then I pressed F8. Press F8 again.""" start="00:07:26.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The string got coerced to a list.""" start="00:07:32.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""F8. Now it's car codified.""" start="00:07:34.481" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I quite like this, because this looks like something I can do""" start="00:07:38.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and understand doing and reason about doing.""" start="00:07:41.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I form a command to send from Lisp to Emacs.""" start="00:07:44.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I do it and I recover the string from the beginning.""" start="00:07:49.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I had one of these here. 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clearly, Org is super powerful,""" start="00:08:22.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't even like writing calls like this,""" start="00:08:25.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you write the function that will happen last first,""" start="00:08:28.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you're kind of writing right to left, first to last.""" start="00:08:32.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whereas in REPL-driven development,""" start="00:08:39.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I'm writing top to bottom,""" start="00:08:41.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eev, I guess, executable logs""" start="00:08:43.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are logs that are like that.""" start="00:08:46.980" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I kind of like eev's view for reasoning""" start="00:08:48.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more than Org's Tangle.""" start="00:08:52.379" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Obviously, Tangle is trying to do tricky things,""" start="00:08:54.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but maybe they have different specializations,""" start="00:08:57.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eev's one is more close""" start="00:09:01.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to my own version of intelligence, maybe.""" start="00:09:04.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Software individuals using eev in Emacs like a human""" start="00:09:07.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Software individuals using eev in Emacs like a human.""" start="00:09:07.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can always visit my blog post for more detail.""" start="00:09:13.540" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, I made a CLOS object""" start="00:09:17.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Common Lisp to wrap doing this.""" start="00:09:20.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not really the topic.""" start="00:09:22.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's in the appendix somewhere if you need it.""" start="00:09:23.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've just executed that.""" start="00:09:27.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can look at the appendix in your own time.""" start="00:09:29.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sandewall's leonardo system""" start="00:09:32.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Jumping over to actually starting""" start="00:09:32.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our hypothetical intelligent agent.""" start="00:09:33.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess we're doing eev here.""" start="00:09:36.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we open this, press F8 a bunch of times.""" start="00:09:38.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and if you were cloning it yourself,""" start="00:09:46.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess that's what you would do. setq eepitch-buffer-name.""" start="00:09:49.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, if you went to an eepitch shell and then came back.""" start="00:09:56.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You would have had to do that, but I didn't.""" start="00:10:00.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't, so I didn't need to.""" start="00:10:01.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sandewall's style is to use relative paths""" start="00:10:04.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to tell which agent is acting inside a software individual.""" start="00:10:07.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Remembering a software individual""" start="00:10:11.975" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is potentially a bunch of agents.""" start="00:10:13.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we load... So one individual,""" start="00:10:15.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the agents in each individual share a kernel.""" start="00:10:18.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So only one agent in one software individual""" start="00:10:21.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is active at any given time, but the agents are separate.""" start="00:10:25.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They just all have to share the kernel resource,""" start="00:10:28.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the Remus agent. Oh, I got rid of this.""" start="00:10:31.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And start the CLE is the thing.""" start="00:10:38.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I did need to have an EmacsConf knowledge base.""" start="00:10:43.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, let's just keep eepitching for a little bit.""" start="00:10:46.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think I made... I'm going to call it emacsconf-kb.""" start="00:10:48.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, that looks likely. And I think that the agent...""" start="00:10:55.260" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can check this. I could have checked that.""" start="00:10:59.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could have done something like (get emacsconf-kb contents).""" start="00:11:03.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and you can see""" start="00:11:12.700" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a location inside it which is agent1,""" start="00:11:13.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I assume is an entity file""" start="00:11:15.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I was working with before.""" start="00:11:17.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then what were we going to do?""" start="00:11:20.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, back to the embeddable Common Lisp image.""" start="00:11:21.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I just press our button back to there...""" start="00:11:28.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Start a loop for one leonardo software individual""" start="00:11:36.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And so my idea is that for an Emacs agent,""" start="00:11:36.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically, I'd like to have an Emacs Lisp list.""" start="00:11:41.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just when stuff gets into that list,""" start="00:11:47.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the agent which is always running, but running slowly,""" start="00:11:49.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will incrementally just do the stuff it finds in that list.""" start="00:11:53.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Populating that list probably gets into stuff""" start="00:11:58.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like your Beliefs, Desires, Intents framework""" start="00:12:00.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and those kind of well-known and well-studied algorithms.""" start="00:12:03.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not the point here.""" start="00:12:06.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just want to have a list in Emacs that my ECL...""" start="00:12:07.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to run a loop in ECL,""" start="00:12:14.260" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ECL is going to keep sending""" start="00:12:16.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything it finds in that Emacs Lisp list""" start="00:12:18.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the software agent. The agent is also in Emacs,""" start="00:12:22.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it would be able to populate its own list itself""" start="00:12:25.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it had an idea of evaluating desires and chances to improve""" start="00:12:28.760" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever it wants to improve""" start="00:12:36.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and chances to avoid whatever it wants to avoid.""" start="00:12:37.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We talked a little bit too much. Let's just start this.""" start="00:12:40.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry that I'm manually setting up my screen.""" start="00:12:47.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then let's put CLisp over here.""" start="00:12:51.540" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, we could work with this, right?""" start="00:12:55.500" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This loop isn't very important.""" start="00:12:58.680" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a Common Lisp loop. I copy my friend jmbr's style""" start="00:13:00.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of using Lisp machine-style keyword arguments""" start="00:13:04.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of symbols like cl-loop,""" start="00:13:08.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the compatibility thing in Emacs Lisp does.""" start="00:13:12.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd never initialized that. 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Great.""" start="00:13:40.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here I'm just going to fill it with stuff.""" start="00:13:46.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is quite interesting, I think.""" start="00:13:50.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just shows I can put a whole bunch of stuff into that list.""" start="00:13:54.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ideally, the agent would populate it itself""" start="00:13:58.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a BDI algorithm or something.""" start="00:14:01.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we just put some stuff in there,""" start="00:14:03.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll see that it will all get sent""" start="00:14:04.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically using Eduardo's eepitch internal machinery, at least.""" start="00:14:07.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And hence, it meets my requirement""" start="00:14:14.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it works exactly like I work.""" start="00:14:17.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then in eev, I just have to press M-e.""" start="00:14:20.780" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, it works via Emacs server, and I didn't start that,""" start="00:14:25.860" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if we server-start, hopefully...""" start="00:14:31.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, ideally, things will just begin happening""" start="00:14:39.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this slime-repl C/Lisp agent.""" start="00:14:42.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, if this was still running.""" start="00:14:53.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, well we got at least one,""" start="00:15:05.420" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but hypothetically lots of these will happen.""" start="00:15:07.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, show agent, I guess,""" start="00:15:09.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happened over here. I put a whole bunch of "sleep-for"s in,""" start="00:15:13.700" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I thought that going slowly""" start="00:15:17.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would make it seem more human.""" start="00:15:19.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I saw in Eduardo's talk last year""" start="00:15:21.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is where I learned about eev.""" start="00:15:24.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The system is a little fragile.""" start="00:15:29.100" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hypothetically, we have a whole bunch of agents.""" start="00:15:32.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess every time it gets sent,""" start="00:15:41.080" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it checks that we're in the right agent.""" start="00:15:43.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's not actually just sending a string,""" start="00:15:45.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's sending a sequence of string actions over there.""" start="00:15:47.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so we see Emacs Lisp hypothetically put,""" start="00:15:52.800" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it put this "foo bar baz!" into an entity, message-1,""" start="00:15:57.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which should be of type message, I guess, conceivably.""" start="00:16:06.860" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I forget if I set that up earlier.""" start="00:16:11.900" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's in the appendix somewhere.""" start="00:16:13.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it just called, it did a sequence of actions""" start="00:16:14.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was really just one action of showing that.""" start="00:16:18.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I called b64-encode on message1,""" start="00:16:21.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I believe will have set message-1 encoded.""" start="00:16:26.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can I check that manually while it's happening?""" start="00:16:30.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Disaster. Well that's what it should have been.""" start="00:16:37.243" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I did mention it was a little bit fragile.""" start="00:16:51.500" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What if we put... Can we kind of rescue this?""" start="00:16:54.941" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to try redoing this. It's slightly fragile.""" start="00:17:03.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What it would do, we can see the actions are kind of getting there,""" start="00:17:07.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but somehow my message didn't end up getting encoded""" start="00:17:12.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by that sequence of actions.""" start="00:17:16.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this decode will have also made the decoded one be null.""" start="00:17:18.120" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Let's do it manually""" start="00:17:23.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's just do it manually. Should have worked.""" start="00:17:23.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""b64-encode, which calls out to Emacs""" start="00:17:26.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get everything actually done.""" start="00:17:30.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I got interrupted by the agent.""" start="00:17:37.300" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, if I do it manually, it worked.""" start="00:17:41.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hypothetically, the queue thing should have worked. Great.""" start="00:17:43.321" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, you can see it's kind of working.""" start="00:17:53.520" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Could be more robust.""" start="00:17:56.841" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason is that I think what I did is a bit fragile,""" start="00:17:57.441" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the intent is that FIPA,""" start="00:18:03.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Foundation for Intelligent Physical Agents's""" start="00:18:07.108" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SL standard has tools for reliability""" start="00:18:09.308" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through repetition and checking outcomes and that kind of thing.""" start="00:18:15.640" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would use those. 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I keep describing things as expert systems""" start="00:19:50.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and she wanted to know what I meant""" start="00:19:55.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I said expert systems,""" start="00:19:57.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I gave her a Lisp software example""" start="00:19:58.360" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and she said she personally wrote""" start="00:20:00.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that software in the 80s that I was referring to""" start="00:20:02.619" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and she wanted to know how it was an expert system.""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean when I say expert system""" start="00:20:08.240" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a system that works kind of like I do and eev's eepitch does.""" start="00:20:10.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's where we can really reason""" start="00:20:19.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very human-relatable way""" start="00:20:22.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about what the inputs to the program is.""" start="00:20:24.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also a program should be exposed to other programs""" start="00:20:26.480" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of like a well-structured transfer of knowledge as inputs,""" start="00:20:31.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it should have a well-structured""" start="00:20:36.560" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transfer of knowledge kind of outputs.""" start="00:20:38.011" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know why this b64-encode message wasn't working.""" start="00:20:41.940" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we kind of faked it into working.""" start="00:20:47.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to be embarrassing for me""" start="00:20:50.000" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if anybody watches this. 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+[[!template text="""was that his grandchildren were intelligent.""" start="00:21:17.666" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we had software agents that were intelligent,""" start="00:21:21.160" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would be true if and maybe only if they were similar""" start="00:21:26.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to his grandchildren""" start="00:21:32.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who were a good reference for intelligence.""" start="00:21:33.720" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And grandchildren live for a really long time.""" start="00:21:36.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They kind of learn gradually.""" start="00:21:39.200" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They don't run on GPUs for a few minutes""" start="00:21:42.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then get thrown out forever, something like that.""" start="00:21:46.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so this is the kind of vision of, I guess,""" start="00:21:51.880" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Leonardo system software individual stuff.""" start="00:21:54.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see we kind of faked it into...""" start="00:21:57.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the show get message one decoded bits were working.""" start="00:22:03.947" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure what was happening""" start="00:22:06.321" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the Elisp ones that worked interactively,""" start="00:22:07.301" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then they didn't work in my loopy thing.""" start="00:22:12.675" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, and then so I mentioned""" start="00:22:18.608" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you to Sacha at the start of this talk.""" start="00:22:21.308" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so Eric Sandewall's emphasis""" start="00:22:24.641" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you'd really like intelligent software agents,""" start="00:22:26.975" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leonardo system agents, to be like your grandchildren.""" start="00:22:31.341" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was talking to somebody, maybe to Ramin Honary""" start="00:22:34.175" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's doing the schemacs talk this year""" start="00:22:40.660" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Sacha's writing.""" start="00:22:44.960" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of Sacha's writing is about""" start="00:22:46.875" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""her experiences of life and technology,""" start="00:22:48.841" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially raising A\*""" start="00:22:51.775" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and her observations of her progeny A\*'s""" start="00:22:54.375" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""experiences of life and technology,""" start="00:22:59.741" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would say as well as being""" start="00:23:05.320" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs News and Emacs conf doer that she is.""" start="00:23:07.875" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and so I think a lot of what Sacha is seen doing""" start="00:23:18.040" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and concerned with are specifically what Eric Sandewall""" start="00:23:22.741" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""identifies as the study of intelligence as such,""" start="00:23:25.841" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as should apply to computing as well. 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Sandewall wrote about this.""" start="00:24:54.975" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, computer programs""" start="00:24:59.541" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""aren't going to want to use human natural language with each other.""" start="00:25:01.541" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's nothing desirable about that,""" start="00:25:04.841" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you wouldn't have two hypothetical Microsoft agents,""" start="00:25:06.675" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are just regular web services with""" start="00:25:10.675" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a GPT model gibbering at you""" start="00:25:13.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while you're trying to use the web service.""" start="00:25:16.341" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we can see...""" start="00:25:19.840" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Microsoft did the wrong thing with the word agent,""" start="00:25:22.540" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allowing that agent is an overloaded term like static.""" start="00:25:26.741" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to stop this. I'm not going to try and fix this.""" start="00:25:30.708" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, everybody. Thank you. Talk to you on the Mastodon.""" start="00:25:34.257" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully, see you on the show.""" start="00:25:36.314" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you at your conference talks.""" start="00:25:37.920" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My blog has writing and examples of this with multi-agents,""" start="00:25:40.400" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more C and C++ stuff, Lisp things.""" start="00:25:45.600" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're welcome to come on my show to be interviewed,""" start="00:25:50.820" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""however formally we do that. See everybody next time.""" start="00:25:53.440" video="mainVideo-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="commonlisp-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Recording started.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. All right, you are live in Common Lisp on dev.""" start="00:00:04.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is Corwin back and I've got screwlisp with me,""" start="00:00:07.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the host of the Lispy Gopher... 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Magenta Guest is gone.""" start="00:08:10.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pink Guest is gone.""" start="00:08:15.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blue Guest has arrived. Great. 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Sorry, I can read you.""" start="00:08:52.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the next question you have,""" start="00:08:55.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somebody says, I found Eduardo's blog.""" start="00:08:57.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, you just got through that.""" start="00:09:00.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we were also, a question you answered""" start="00:09:03.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the other one that I see here, just about Lambda Moo.""" start="00:09:06.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think you started to answer in the pad.""" start="00:09:10.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want to kind of read that out.""" start="00:09:14.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I definitely haven't written anything in the pad.""" start="00:09:16.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to just talk to Khaki Guest in Lambda.""" start="00:09:19.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, so why don't you do a little bit""" start="00:09:23.720" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just read this question.""" start="00:09:25.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question was, what is LambdaMOO and how do we use it?""" start="00:09:27.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LambdaMOO is a module introduction,""" start="00:09:31.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can tell that to it.""" start="00:09:33.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's instructions in the pad.""" start="00:09:35.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll go ahead and drop that in the gen channel""" start="00:09:36.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or in the dev channel chat right now.""" start="00:09:40.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I see it is already in there.""" start="00:09:42.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But down at the bottom""" start="00:09:46.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the discussion links feedback area,""" start="00:09:49.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll see a set of detailed instructions""" start="00:09:53.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that ScrewList has provided us to get in there.""" start="00:09:55.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that was actually GGXX""" start="00:09:58.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who might have written that for us.""" start="00:10:01.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Several changes evolved in the last 10 minutes""" start="00:10:03.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before we went live here.""" start="00:10:08.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, so LambdaMoo is""" start="00:10:09.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the world's longest-running virtual reality.""" start="00:10:12.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it started in the end of October in 1990""" start="00:10:14.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and has run continuously to today.""" start="00:10:19.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can get there, ideally, with a MUD client.""" start="00:10:21.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Technically, it's a MUD, comma, object-oriented.""" start="00:10:24.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just where I hang out some degree of the week.""" start="00:10:27.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yduJ is the wizard yduJ, or sorry,""" start="00:10:30.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yduJ is also the wizard Nosredna of Lambdomoo, for example.""" start="00:10:36.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It kind of fits into quite less history.""" start="00:10:40.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess Pavel Curtis would have started in 1990""" start="00:10:44.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Xerox PARC, originally. Just to go to what Khaki Guest""" start="00:10:47.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been continuing to talk about.""" start="00:10:52.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Welcome to Brown, Guest, as well, I guess.""" start="00:10:54.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aki Guest says, to Screwtape,""" start="00:10:57.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it seems like you're trying to build""" start="00:11:03.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a more restrictive Turing test""" start="00:11:04.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the input output logs of an Emacs conversation.""" start="00:11:07.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that accurate?""" start="00:11:11.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you explain this idea of if it is intelligent,""" start="00:11:12.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like it to be like me?""" start="00:11:15.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, I don't know what intelligence is.""" start="00:11:17.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Doesn't that seem a little egocentric?""" start="00:11:20.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that a joke or a genuine definition of intelligence?""" start="00:11:21.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why do you think the link between""" start="00:11:25.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""input-output of Emacs human input-output""" start="00:11:27.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is stronger than other forms of Turing tests?""" start="00:11:30.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to misread Turing tests""" start="00:11:33.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a moment as Turing-complete.""" start="00:11:36.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Sandewall's system is very specifically""" start="00:11:37.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our first-order logic, if we don't extend it,""" start="00:11:40.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not Turing-complete, for starters.""" start="00:11:45.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And things like situation calculus,""" start="00:11:49.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""McCarthy's situation calculus,""" start="00:11:51.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I guess is prior to""" start="00:11:53.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sandewall's Leonardo's calculus,""" start="00:11:55.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are extended first-order logics""" start="00:11:58.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for reasoning about change.""" start="00:12:02.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so they're slightly""" start="00:12:03.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more restricted than conventional,""" start="00:12:05.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than general-purpose computer programs.""" start="00:12:07.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then what you're saying is, if it's intelligent,""" start="00:12:10.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd expect it to be like me.""" start="00:12:14.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really just paraphrasing what Sandewall says about,""" start="00:12:16.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, he thinks his grandchildren are intelligent.""" start="00:12:19.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if a computer is intelligent,""" start="00:12:23.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""he thinks the computer will have to be""" start="00:12:24.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to his grandchildren.""" start="00:12:26.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is in contrast to people""" start="00:12:28.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are using the terms AI""" start="00:12:32.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mean something a graphics card does""" start="00:12:33.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with extremely specialized bulk matrix multiplication""" start="00:12:37.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a very short period of time""" start="00:12:41.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on absolutely gigantic electrical""" start="00:12:43.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and kind of memory and computing resources,""" start="00:12:47.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which doesn't look at all like what""" start="00:12:50.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sandewall's grandchildren were doing.""" start="00:12:51.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is why I'm kind of saying,""" start="00:12:55.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, if I have an agent,""" start="00:12:56.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my agent is quite simple.""" start="00:12:57.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses Emacs server and Emacs client""" start="00:13:00.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send lines of basically extended""" start="00:13:04.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first-order logic to the agent,""" start="00:13:07.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the agent then takes a kind of""" start="00:13:09.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first-order logic-y action.""" start="00:13:12.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was making the point""" start="00:13:15.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this looks more like me computing""" start="00:13:21.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using of REPL-driven development like EEV,""" start="00:13:23.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where in EEV I have basically a log""" start="00:13:27.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of something I've previously done,""" start="00:13:30.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can tap F8 and execute""" start="00:13:32.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""line after line after line.""" start="00:13:34.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think if I see an agent doing that,""" start="00:13:36.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can clearly understand""" start="00:13:38.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and relate to what the agent is doing.""" start="00:13:40.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I'm not classifying""" start="00:13:43.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, I never do gigabytes and gigabytes""" start="00:13:45.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gigabytes of matrix multiplications,""" start="00:13:49.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can't relate to this as an idea of intelligence.""" start="00:13:52.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. Welcome to GreenGuest teleporting in.""" start="00:13:54.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""FullSpain is saying, no one truly knows what intelligence is.""" start="00:13:57.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. I kind of wished that this was working,""" start="00:14:02.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because just before we went live, they said,""" start="00:14:10.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, just have your example working quickly.""" start="00:14:13.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I downloaded my example from my blog,""" start="00:14:15.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd double escaped some characters""" start="00:14:19.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the escaped characters would show up in my blog.""" start="00:14:22.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I caused a lot of rampant chaos.""" start="00:14:26.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If anyone else has a question.""" start="00:14:29.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guest has said, but. So. Great.""" start="00:14:32.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I could go back and try it.""" start="00:14:40.760" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I probably should have jumped in a couple of minutes ago""" start="00:14:47.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just said the live stream did cut over,""" start="00:14:50.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we're continuing to record this""" start="00:14:53.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the whole session will be published""" start="00:14:54.920" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with the video on the website.""" start="00:14:57.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, well. Sorry about that. I tried that.""" start="00:14:58.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just lost a couple of minutes there""" start="00:15:04.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and failed to give you the smooth morning.""" start="00:15:06.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, no, no. That's fine. I was just kind of rambling.""" start="00:15:08.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Listen. Don't download a web page""" start="00:15:14.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try and convert it to an org file on the fly""" start="00:15:16.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just before you go live somewhere""" start="00:15:19.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the kind of moral here.""" start="00:15:21.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, just saying that's pretty graphics, but it's long.""" start="00:15:23.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's dropping. See you later. Yeah.""" start="00:15:27.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's, let's, let's all get out of here.""" start="00:15:29.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically. I'm going to go see""" start="00:15:31.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I can look at this ether pad one last time""" start="00:15:32.400" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see if there are any questions""" start="00:15:36.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to not leave anyone else.""" start="00:15:37.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyone out much to their chagrin possibly.""" start="00:15:39.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, how to connect to LambdaMu, seems great.""" start="00:15:43.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, interesting guides, somebody wrote that.""" start="00:15:47.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you mean by slowly? Yeah, so I'm saying taking""" start="00:15:52.160" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a simple action every 20 seconds,""" start="00:15:55.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this still adds up to a lot over time.""" start="00:15:57.280" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Question, do you think that it would be,""" start="00:15:59.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, well, if you've used Slime,""" start="00:16:01.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and hence you're using Swank,""" start="00:16:04.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just Swank, Eval,""" start="00:16:05.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs would be the more trivial way.""" start="00:16:07.240" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I felt like I was getting something bonus""" start="00:16:08.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by using, um, Emacs server.""" start="00:16:10.720" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody has a link to Eduardo's blog,""" start="00:16:13.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think has been misspelled.""" start="00:16:17.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be angkwu with no dot there,""" start="00:16:19.840" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dot net, sharp sign EEV.""" start="00:16:23.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Eduardo is the author of EEV mode.""" start="00:16:27.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found Eduardo's thing.""" start="00:16:31.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, this was the question, what is the Leonardo system,""" start="00:16:33.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I just answered.""" start="00:16:36.200" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is LambdaMOO? How do you use it?""" start="00:16:38.480" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a mud, comma, object-oriented.""" start="00:16:42.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a multi-user dungeon kind of classical video game,""" start="00:16:45.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still popular, but with extended object-oriented facilities.""" start="00:16:49.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Companies like Harlequin, which yduJ""" start="00:16:52.800" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Ken Pitman, for example, were at, I think, in the 90s.""" start="00:16:57.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of modernly, you'd have Slack web apps or something.""" start="00:17:00.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People used to have these MOOs and things.""" start="00:17:05.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, the music that's replaced me is evidently quite nice.""" start="00:17:08.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, get the hints. Thanks for being here.""" start="00:17:15.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, let's continue this diatribe""" start="00:17:22.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possibly on the Mastodon or something like that.""" start="00:17:29.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll do some kind of...""" start="00:17:33.640" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me thank you one more time for preparing this talk""" start="00:17:36.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for all that you do for the Free Software community""" start="00:17:40.520" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially for Emacs. particularly appreciate you.""" start="00:17:44.360" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for all you do for the Free Software community""" start="00:17:47.880" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and particularly Emacs, Corwin and Bruce.""" start="00:17:50.440" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm still waiting for a working demo of Dungeon Mode.""" start="00:17:53.320" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My joke that I was setting up and never had a chance for""" start="00:17:56.080" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was that I was going to say""" start="00:17:58.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted my agent to be using Dungeon Mode in Emacs.""" start="00:17:59.960" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How's that? Okay, well, we'll work on that.""" start="00:18:03.600" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That could be a project for the two of us in our copious free time.""" start="00:18:06.000" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely. Yeah. Okay. I'll let you go.""" start="00:18:10.120" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna abandon this stream.""" start="00:18:13.560" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. I'll end out the recording""" start="00:18:14.680" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks to all who participated. Okay. See you later.""" start="00:18:17.040" video="qanda-commonlisp" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/commonlisp-nav.md b/2025/info/commonlisp-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b8775dd3 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/commonlisp-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/private-ai">Emacs and private AI: a great match</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/graphics">Modern Emacs/Elisp hardware/software accelerated graphics</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/completion-after.md b/2025/info/completion-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e70f4409 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/completion-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,485 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="completion-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Nice to have you here on this talk.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is my second talk this year.""" start="00:00:02.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First one was on things that I've done to Org Mode.""" start="00:00:04.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just as a side note, this presentation""" start="00:00:09.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to share with you""" start="00:00:13.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about my work on Corfu and Jasnipit.""" start="00:00:16.280" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've prepared that on Org Mode""" start="00:00:19.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and exported that with a work I've been doing""" start="00:00:21.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the latest exporter.""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyhow, what is my talk going to be about?""" start="00:00:26.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to be about Corfu and Yasnippet,""" start="00:00:31.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I thought would be difficult to integrate,""" start="00:00:34.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it was much easier than I thought.""" start="00:00:36.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just a short outline, my motivation,""" start="00:00:42.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""step-by-step of the things that I've been investigating,""" start="00:00:46.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some takeaways. So my motivation, yeah, snippet is old.""" start="00:00:49.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've tried another, I've tried Temple""" start="00:00:55.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other template management packages,""" start="00:00:59.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was really not my cup of tea. So mainly why?""" start="00:01:02.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mainly because I have a nice base of VR snippets""" start="00:01:08.160" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have generated for my needs.""" start="00:01:10.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not that I've been importing snippets""" start="00:01:14.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from packages which are out there.""" start="00:01:17.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, they are my snippets. I'm used to them.""" start="00:01:20.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, migration counts as a cost.""" start="00:01:23.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been using Company as my completion point function GUI for years,""" start="00:01:26.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with the time coming in features and so on it""" start="00:01:32.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was it's was not as easy to set up as I wanted for my needs""" start="00:01:38.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I had been working I've been playing with Eaglet already some time for a language server protocol""" start="00:01:44.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had read about how easy it was to integrate with Corfu""" start="00:01:53.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was really nice and I had given it a try,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm using both graphical user interface mode in Emacs""" start="00:02:02.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and text mode,""" start="00:02:06.440" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for text mode you need a corporate terminal,""" start="00:02:07.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was yet another package that I don't download.""" start="00:02:10.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, and I didn't really find a quick way""" start="00:02:16.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get rid of company to get just snippet.""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So at the end, when, at the beginning,""" start="00:02:24.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I was using Corfu and Eglot, I also needed to load a company""" start="00:02:26.680" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have a snippet support,""" start="00:02:33.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was really like sort of weird""" start="00:02:35.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I wanted to get rid of, of your snippet.""" start="00:02:37.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyhow, while I try now, I'm following the mailing list,""" start="00:02:40.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the development mailing list,""" start="00:02:47.200" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I got interested when I heard something about""" start="00:02:48.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TTI charge frames being announced for master.""" start="00:02:51.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That would mean less packages to download""" start="00:02:57.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I thought I could get rid of Corfu,""" start="00:02:59.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wanted to try if I could get rid of Corfu terminal""" start="00:03:04.160" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run Corfu without that.""" start="00:03:07.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, there were some hints there in that mailing list""" start="00:03:11.200" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made it interesting for me.""" start="00:03:18.800" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And at the end, I'm also like a why not trying man,""" start="00:03:21.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I said let's give it a try.""" start="00:03:26.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My requirements, I'm working always on a new Emacs,""" start="00:03:29.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a decently new Emacs, normally from Master Vanilla.""" start="00:03:33.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completely Vanilla and I don't have any extras like Doom or things like that.""" start="00:03:36.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm only Vanilla. And one of the things""" start="00:03:42.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't want is that on this Vanilla recent Emacs,""" start="00:03:45.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want a Kung Fu Terminal. I need your snippet.""" start="00:03:50.280" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm basically an old man.""" start="00:03:55.720" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Old dog does new tricks and snippets must,""" start="00:03:57.360" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my way of working, must be easy and quick to configure""" start="00:04:02.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Tempo or others that I've seen are not.""" start="00:04:06.240" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want any reminiscence of a company in my setup.""" start="00:04:10.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, don't forget that I've embraced""" start="00:04:13.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the language protocol implementations and basically Eglot.""" start="00:04:18.680" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My main focus now is Python and LaTeX,""" start="00:04:24.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have PyLSB and TechLab.""" start="00:04:28.160" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't want to have to stop using them.""" start="00:04:31.720" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basic setup for Corfu and Eglot.""" start="00:04:37.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find it everywhere you look for it.""" start="00:04:40.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really easy.""" start="00:04:43.440" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And actually, I also do something somehow naughty,""" start="00:04:46.560" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is to set this variable,""" start="00:04:51.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Corfu auto variable to true,""" start="00:04:53.080" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although I know it's not recommended, blah, blah, blah.""" start="00:04:55.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I use that because I'm a bit lazy in that.""" start="00:04:58.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So next step was looking at completion at point functions.""" start="00:05:02.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the information there if you go through the scatter""" start="00:05:07.240" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sometimes a bit cryptic.""" start="00:05:10.480" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the end I came up with something like the thing""" start="00:05:14.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you see there on the screen.""" start="00:05:16.600" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a function for just completion point""" start="00:05:18.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I need my list of keywords""" start="00:05:21.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I'm going to be talking later""" start="00:05:24.640" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have my bounds which is normally a word""" start="00:05:30.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from that I get the start and the end""" start="00:05:34.400" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the of the thing that I want to""" start="00:05:37.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to be my seed for looking and bringing up Corfu""" start="00:05:38.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course I need some completion properties here""" start="00:05:47.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This looked like this is what you need to do,""" start="00:05:53.440" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I had to dig quite deep""" start="00:05:55.720" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to create a JavaScript keyword test""" start="00:05:57.520" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to understand the completion props.""" start="00:06:01.320" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as an update of what I've been doing in the last weeks,""" start="00:06:04.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've created a bound of things""" start="00:06:11.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that point for me with a different thing""" start="00:06:13.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that doesn't skip over non-blank characters,""" start="00:06:18.680" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only skips over non-blank characters.""" start="00:06:22.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? Because Word was confusingly tech,""" start="00:06:25.040" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the backslash,""" start="00:06:29.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in the example for the teletype text,""" start="00:06:30.760" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was not taken into account by Word.""" start="00:06:35.000" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I had to create my own one,""" start="00:06:36.920" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was a bunch of thing at point,""" start="00:06:39.960" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then my thing is non-blanks.""" start="00:06:42.120" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Completion at point properties, what are they?""" start="00:06:44.880" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Same to you.""" start="00:35:37.840" video="mainVideo-completion" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/completion-nav.md b/2025/info/completion-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2305904c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/completion-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/weights">Weightlifting tracking with Emacs on Android</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/zettelkasten">Zettelkasten for regular Emacs hackers</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/gardening-after.md b/2025/info/gardening-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9a7aa15e --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gardening-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,387 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gardening-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:05.980" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. My name is Marco""" start="00:00:05.980" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll talk about gardening with Emacs.""" start="00:00:08.960" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gardening? Yes, but digital gardening, obviously.""" start="00:00:13.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But first, one thing: I'm sorry, yes,""" start="00:00:17.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a Microsoft Windows user.""" start="00:00:20.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know, I know. I said I'm sorry.""" start="00:00:22.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please stick with me.""" start="00:00:24.680" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do not skip this talk!""" start="00:00:26.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Promise, I'll show you only free software!""" start="00:00:27.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And speaking about free software,""" start="00:00:31.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, this presentation is not made with Emacs,""" start="00:00:33.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I made it with LibreOffice.""" start="00:00:35.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is a digital garden?""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is a digital garden?""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A digital garden is""" start="00:00:42.000" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your personal corner of the internet""" start="00:00:43.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to cultivate ideas.""" start="00:00:45.480" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Think of it like a real garden""" start="00:00:47.840" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you plant seeds (your new thoughts),""" start="00:00:50.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you water them (you add the details),""" start="00:00:54.395" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and watch them grow.""" start="00:00:57.380" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unlike a fixed-date blog,""" start="00:00:59.960" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows only polished results,""" start="00:01:03.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a garden includes works-in-progress--""" start="00:01:06.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like seedlings in a greenhouse.""" start="00:01:09.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a network of notes""" start="00:01:12.480" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connected by links and tags,""" start="00:01:14.760" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helping you see patterns in your thinking.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, the ideas are not static;""" start="00:01:21.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they evolve as you learn,""" start="00:01:24.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating a living archive of your mind,""" start="00:01:26.400" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like the plants in a garden grow.""" start="00:01:29.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also here, instead of the blog platform,""" start="00:01:37.740" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you decide the tools, the look, and your pace.""" start="00:01:41.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you how I run my garden""" start="00:01:46.880" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with plain Org Mode files""" start="00:01:50.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and our favorite Emacs.""" start="00:01:53.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In short: a digital garden""" start="00:01:55.640" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a flexible, pressure-free space""" start="00:01:57.880" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to explore, learn in public""" start="00:02:01.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connect the knowledge--""" start="00:02:04.213" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your own digital ecosystem.""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why a digital garden?""" start="00:02:11.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Why a digital garden?""" start="00:02:11.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, a digital garden keeps knowledge alive:""" start="00:02:13.560" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of freezing content after "publish,"""" start="00:02:17.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you revisit and refine it,""" start="00:02:21.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so ideas stay accurate and useful.""" start="00:02:22.400" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By sharing half-formed thoughts early,""" start="00:02:26.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you lower the barrier to writing""" start="00:02:29.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let concepts evolve gradually--""" start="00:02:31.560" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no need to wait for one "perfect" essay.""" start="00:02:34.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Links and tags weave ideas together,""" start="00:02:37.840" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""revealing unexpected patterns""" 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your and their improvement.""" start="00:03:07.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Over time, your garden can become""" start="00:03:12.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a searchable showcase of your thinking,""" start="00:03:14.720" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a living résumé for collaborators, peers,""" start="00:03:18.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anyone curious about how you learn.""" start="00:03:21.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what about me?""" start="00:03:25.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why a digital garden?""" start="00:03:27.800" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I actually have started a digital garden""" start="00:03:29.120" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to learn Emacs and Org Mode.""" start="00:03:33.140" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How to digital garden?""" start="00:03:39.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How to digital garden?""" start="00:03:39.200" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, start simple.""" start="00:03:41.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pick one place for your notes""" start="00:03:43.000" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put them online.""" start="00:03:45.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even the worst Github ever out there is fine.""" start="00:03:46.120" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, well, maybe you can move out of GitHub,""" start="00:03:50.420" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's another story.""" start="00:03:53.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Capture your ideas quickly.""" start="00:03:55.020" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Publish them, even rough,""" start="00:03:57.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe, if you want, tag them as seeds""" start="00:04:00.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to let the other people know they are rough.""" start="00:04:02.940" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Learning in public is useful""" start="00:04:06.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because link-related pages""" start="00:04:09.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that readers can work through your thinking,""" start="00:04:11.580" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helping them see your 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video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How I do digital garden work with Emacs?""" start="00:04:43.240" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Org Mode and its publishing to HTML file,""" start="00:04:46.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we will see it in a moment.""" start="00:04:51.140" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How to make Emacs portable, on Windows""" start="00:04:57.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How to make Emacs portable on Windows""" start="00:04:57.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the first topic.""" start="00:05:01.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, being in Windows,""" start="00:05:03.700" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have the advantage and 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+[[!template text="""I've customized links and tags a bit,""" start="00:15:55.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the CSS, together with tables""" start="00:15:57.800" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some other pieces here and there,""" start="00:15:59.840" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but nothing too much fancy.""" start="00:16:01.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The final result""" start="00:16:04.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, this is one (not-so-)random page""" start="00:16:04.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of my digital garden,""" start="00:16:08.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or my knowledge 枯山水,""" start="00:16:10.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my knowledge Zen garden, as I prefer to call it.""" start="00:16:12.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is, specifically, the page related""" start="00:16:17.620" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to write about the Digital Garden concept itself,""" start="00:16:20.520" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a sort of meta-writing.""" start="00:16:23.640" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the different""" start="00:16:26.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rendering of the links,""" start="00:16:27.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending if they are internal, in blue,""" start="00:16:28.880" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or external to the garden in gray-ish.""" start="00:16:31.640" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the Japanese furigana""" start="00:16:37.660" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on top of the kanjis,""" start="00:16:39.440" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you also can see the automatic table of contents,""" start="00:16:40.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the custom aside component that highlights""" start="00:16:44.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the latest modification date, and so on.""" start="00:16:47.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything I've spoke about here""" start="00:16:50.820" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is available in my digital garden""" start="00:16:53.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my knowledge kare-san-sui, again,""" start="00:16:55.920" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a sort of self-description""" start="00:16:57.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the digital garden itself.""" start="00:17:00.600" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thank you for listening""" start="00:17:03.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Thank you, everyone,""" start="00:17:03.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being with me till the end.""" start="00:17:04.280" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as I said, if you want more details""" start="00:17:06.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these topics,""" start="00:17:08.720" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""take a look at my knowledge kare-san-sui.""" start="00:17:10.040" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The link is here, and feel free to contact me""" start="00:17:13.160" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through Delta Chat""" start="00:17:16.360" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at this email address.""" start="00:17:17.480" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I know.""" start="00:17:20.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a Microsoft email address.""" start="00:17:21.320" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an old one.""" start="00:17:23.720" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I recycled it. I know. It's my fault.""" start="00:17:25.080" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again, and happy Emacs everyone!""" start="00:17:29.020" video="mainVideo-gardening" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: rodion + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/gardening-nav.md b/2025/info/gardening-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fc9f5c26 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gardening-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/hyperboleqa">Questions and answers to help you fly with Hyperbole</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/bookclub-tapas">Bookclub tapas</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-after.md b/2025/info/gmail-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cd1b0cb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gmail-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,758 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gmail-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Before we begin""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Bala Ramadurai.""" start="00:00:01.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today I'm going to be talking about org-gmail.""" start="00:00:03.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that I put together.""" start="00:00:07.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what I call gmail meets org mode.""" start="00:00:10.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they get along too.""" start="00:00:12.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's talk about email""" start="00:00:15.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to manage email via org mode.""" start="00:00:16.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The 4-year overnight success""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This project is a four year overnight success.""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was in 2021.""" start="00:00:23.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I said, Hey, wait a second.""" start="00:00:26.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It'll be so cool if we can integrate Gmail with org.""" start="00:00:27.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I started trying out new things.""" start="00:00:30.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And immediately I realized""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a much larger project than I thought.""" start="00:00:34.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it lived in someday maybe.org""" start="00:00:36.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for about three years.""" start="00:00:40.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enter 2024 AI arrives and in 2025 I had a working""" start="00:00:42.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prototype in 24 hours flat.""" start="00:00:48.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So three years and 364 days, nothing much happened""" start="00:00:50.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one day it actually got it working.""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes procrastination is just waiting for the""" start="00:00:58.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right tools.""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The real title""" start="00:01:02.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The real title should have been org mail for""" start="00:01:02.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people who like org mode more than email.""" start="00:01:05.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Gmail monster that has always been attacking us.""" start="00:01:08.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, but we still have to deal with email.""" start="00:01:12.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why not gnus/mu4e/notmuch?""" start="00:01:15.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""One of the most common questions that I've got so far.""" start="00:01:15.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why not gnus or mu4e or notmuch, or other tools.""" start="00:01:18.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are amazing.""" start="00:01:24.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use them if it works for you, absolutely.""" start="00:01:26.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just go right ahead.""" start="00:01:29.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it works for you, don't change anything""" start="00:01:30.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this looks cool.""" start="00:01:32.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The honest answer""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Well, the honest answer for me is that""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they want to be your email client.""" start="00:01:36.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not what I am after.""" start="00:01:39.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want an email client.""" start="00:01:40.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have enough email clients already.""" start="00:01:42.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want one more.""" start="00:01:45.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they require 500 lines of config.""" start="00:01:46.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've tried it.""" start="00:01:49.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a lot of maintenance for myself,""" start="00:01:50.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still have those somewhere.""" start="00:01:53.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The mu4e config or the gnus config.""" start="00:01:54.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They struggle with Gmail's labels,""" start="00:01:57.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threading, messages and deletion.""" start="00:01:59.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find it tough, and it's either""" start="00:02:01.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all in emacs or nothing.""" start="00:02:05.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It cannot be a combinatorial approach,""" start="00:02:07.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what I realized.""" start="00:02:10.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I said, why can't we have both?""" start="00:02:11.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want the org mode's focus""" start="00:02:13.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Gmail's flexibility.""" start="00:02:15.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The org-gmail philosophy""" start="00:02:17.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Org-gmail philosophy is very simple.""" start="00:02:17.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You triage in Gmail.""" start="00:02:20.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use the fast web UI for the easy stuff""" start="00:02:22.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and process in org mode.""" start="00:02:26.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pull important threads where you do real work.""" start="00:02:27.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, a two way sync is possible.""" start="00:02:30.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Changes flow both directions.""" start="00:02:33.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Big inspiration has been org-gcal.""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I named it org-gmail because I saw org-gcal.""" start="00:02:39.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was so cool.""" start="00:02:42.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really wanted it.""" start="00:02:43.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Think of it like an org capture for email, but""" start="00:02:44.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just bidirectional.""" start="00:02:47.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Architecture (the boring but important slide)""" start="00:02:49.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Alright, the architecture (boring, but important""" start="00:02:49.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slide) is that Gmail interacts with Python via an""" start="00:02:53.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""API and interacts with Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:02:56.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""User commands, org formatting, all that magic is""" start="00:02:59.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done on the Emacs side with Lisp.""" start="00:03:02.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python side handles the Gmail API, OAuth,""" start="00:03:04.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""json wrangling and Gmail API handles""" start="00:03:09.141" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the actual email data.""" start="00:03:12.408" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do pip install, add to the load path, and""" start="00:03:13.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10 minute OAuth setup, you are all set.""" start="00:03:17.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo 1: From gmail to org""" start="00:03:21.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We'll switch over to demo from gmail to org.""" start="00:03:21.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you go about doing that?""" start="00:03:27.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will start off with a demo folder that I have.""" start="00:03:29.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has this tree structure.""" start="00:03:32.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:03:53.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find out how to get yourself a""" start="00:03:54.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""credentials.json.""" start="00:03:56.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not very difficult.""" start="00:03:57.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once you have these, you're all set.""" start="00:03:59.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All you need to do is if you have straight or any""" start="00:04:01.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the other VC packages ready, that you can take""" start="00:04:05.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Git repository and have that in your folder, you""" start="00:04:08.540" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can do that, or you can do it like this.""" start="00:04:11.501" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have a Git clone.""" start="00:04:13.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I'm doing it right now.""" start="00:04:15.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just clone it, keep it in.""" start="00:04:16.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now you'll see""" start="00:04:19.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the Gmail is already there.""" start="00:04:20.875" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are two files that are really ultra""" start="00:04:23.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""important, which is, gmail_label_manager.py and""" start="00:04:25.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail.el.""" start="00:04:28.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the two files that do the email""" start="00:04:30.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""processing.""" start="00:04:31.900" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a plain vanilla Emacs""" start="00:04:33.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to use for the demo.""" start="00:04:35.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Settings""" start="00:04:37.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""These are a few settings""" start="00:04:37.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you will need in order to get going.""" start="00:04:39.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one is the Gmail itself, the elisp, and the""" start="00:04:42.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python script.""" start="00:04:45.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll need to require the package.""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The org agenda files need to be set.""" start="00:04:49.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If they're already there, then yes, it needs to""" start="00:04:52.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""include the org files.""" start="00:04:54.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Main settings are, you need an org file in order""" start="00:04:55.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to download all the emails from Gmail.""" start="00:04:59.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need the credentials path.""" start="00:05:02.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need the Python script,""" start="00:05:03.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wherever it is pointed to that.""" start="00:05:05.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The date drawer, you can customize it""" start="00:05:07.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to whatever you want.""" start="00:05:10.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I call it org-gmail.""" start="00:05:11.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set it to ignore certain labels,""" start="00:05:12.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not to download it.""" start="00:05:14.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're not interested in certain labels""" start="00:05:15.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being downloaded.""" start="00:05:17.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set that""" start="00:05:18.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and process time out of 300 seconds.""" start="00:05:19.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are some things to keep life sane in this""" start="00:05:21.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plain vanilla emacs.""" start="00:05:25.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have this refile targets and stuff.""" start="00:05:27.820" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the main org-gmail settings are all here.""" start="00:05:30.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to eval this buffer so that we have all""" start="00:05:33.580" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of it and we are all set.""" start="00:05:37.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have org-gmail ready to work right now.""" start="00:05:40.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Downloading""" start="00:05:43.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The first thing I'm going to show you is""" start="00:05:43.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail-download-by-label.""" start="00:05:44.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the demo Gmail that I have.""" start="00:05:48.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They all have some kind of test emails and I'm""" start="00:05:50.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to label them.""" start="00:05:53.620" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've created this hierarchy of labels here based""" start="00:05:56.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Tiago Forte's PARA - Project, Area, Resources,""" start="00:06:00.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Archives structure.""" start="00:06:04.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1Projects, DemoProject1, 2Areas, DemoArea,""" start="00:06:06.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""4Archives, 2025, OldProject.""" start="00:06:09.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've labeled them inside my Gmail.""" start="00:06:12.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, now let's go to Emacs and we will now""" start="00:06:14.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download these things, but before downloading""" start="00:06:20.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them, you will need to authenticate.""" start="00:06:23.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for that, you can start""" start="00:06:26.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with any org-gmail command.""" start="00:06:28.801" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to take org-gmail-download-by-label.""" start="00:06:30.901" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I press that, it immediately opens a session""" start="00:06:35.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my browser.""" start="00:06:38.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay?""" start="00:06:40.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What you can't see is a list of my Gmail accounts""" start="00:06:40.660" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to select.""" start="00:06:45.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to select my one Gmail account, and I'm""" start="00:06:46.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to show you the next screen.""" start="00:06:50.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in this screen, you'll have to continue and""" start="00:06:53.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""select, and the authentication is completed.""" start="00:06:57.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once it's, this is done, you can close this.""" start="00:06:59.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Come back to Emacs and you will have Select Gmail.""" start="00:07:02.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it has tab support.""" start="00:07:09.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you click tab, it will tell you""" start="00:07:10.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what all labels are available.""" start="00:07:11.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can pick anyone.""" start="00:07:13.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1Projects/DemoProject1, and let's see what happens.""" start="00:07:16.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It starts downloading and it downloads.""" start="00:07:21.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And all three messages, four messages,""" start="00:07:26.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""five messages.""" start="00:07:28.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Six, seven.""" start="00:07:29.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are 11 messages in total,""" start="00:07:30.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's downloading all of them.""" start="00:07:33.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""~/demo/org/0Inbox.""" start="00:07:36.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's where I have it.""" start="00:07:40.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here are the emails.""" start="00:07:42.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're all in org mode, format.""" start="00:07:44.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All the emails are in here.""" start="00:07:46.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since it's org mode,""" start="00:07:48.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can fold them all and you will see those emails.""" start="00:07:49.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these are five emails""" start="00:07:52.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are present for the DemoProject1.""" start="00:07:54.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Replying""" start="00:07:56.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next one I wanted to show you was""" start="00:07:56.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reply without leaving emacs.""" start="00:07:59.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to emacs.""" start="00:08:01.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How am I going to reply?""" start="00:08:04.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail-reply-at-point.""" start="00:08:06.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how I'm going to reply.""" start="00:08:09.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reply all or reply.""" start="00:08:11.380" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:13.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's first find out what is the email all about.""" start="00:08:13.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:16.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's just one sender with just one recipient.""" start="00:08:16.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the reply all or reply""" start="00:08:19.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't make a difference.""" start="00:08:21.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay?""" start="00:08:23.021" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we will reply at point and if it's Reply All,""" start="00:08:23.701" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it includes my own email as well.""" start="00:08:28.340" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this, my email is .mx.""" start="00:08:31.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:34.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cc, I can cc anybody I want and I won't do that.""" start="00:08:35.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a Gmail reply window.""" start="00:08:39.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Split window here.""" start="00:08:42.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-c C-c is what will send the reply.""" start="00:08:43.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-c C-k is what will cancel the reply.""" start="00:08:47.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to reply.""" start="00:08:50.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's say test reply from within emacs""" start="00:08:51.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and bala@balaramadurai.net""" start="00:08:57.780" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should receive this email.""" start="00:09:00.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:09:01.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Initial successfully reply sent for this email id.""" start="00:09:03.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:09:07.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A feature request I can already imagine is""" start="00:09:08.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the reply also appearing at the bottom of this.""" start="00:09:11.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not yet there.""" start="00:09:15.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the next version I will have that.""" start="00:09:16.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check if I've have sent that email.""" start="00:09:18.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check in the sent box.""" start="00:09:22.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just checked in the sent and yes,""" start="00:09:25.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a test reply from within emacs, does show up.""" start="00:09:29.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, great.""" start="00:09:31.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works.""" start="00:09:33.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Label management""" start="00:09:33.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The third demo is going to be on label management.""" start="00:09:33.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do I manage labels?""" start="00:09:36.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:09:38.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to emacs.""" start="00:09:39.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Suppose, I am not keen on this DemoProject1 for this.""" start="00:09:40.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should belong to DemoArea, okay?""" start="00:09:46.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this thread itself doesn't belong to this.""" start="00:09:50.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's do org-gmail-edit-label-at-point.""" start="00:09:52.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I don't want one project at all.""" start="00:09:57.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be under 2Areas/DemoArea.""" start="00:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it, it's not tab supported.""" start="00:10:05.900" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should know this.""" start="00:10:08.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will.""" start="00:10:09.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's another feature request.""" start="00:10:10.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2Areas/DemoArea.""" start="00:10:11.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when I say this, it should update it.""" start="00:10:14.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, it has updated it.""" start="00:10:17.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see that it has updated""" start="00:10:19.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the label here as well.""" start="00:10:21.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can go check if it has indeed changed it""" start="00:10:22.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in our... what is the name of the email?""" start="00:10:26.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a test mail for one project demo""" start="00:10:29.400" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the date is at 3 12.""" start="00:10:31.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check if DemoArea has it.""" start="00:10:33.460" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not refreshed, but there are two,""" start="00:10:36.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two emails now under DemoArea.""" start="00:10:39.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's obviously done the job well.""" start="00:10:42.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's happening as expected.""" start="00:10:43.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just turned this back from DemoArea to""" start="00:10:46.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""DemoProject1.""" start="00:10:49.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you decide that I want to move all of""" start="00:10:50.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""DemoProject1 to archive, I'm done with the""" start="00:10:53.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project.""" start="00:10:56.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Refiling""" start="00:10:57.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Oh, by the way, you could...""" start="00:10:57.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the whole point""" start="00:10:58.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this is to have""" start="00:10:59.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of this refiled into your project,""" start="00:11:00.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do that.""" start="00:11:05.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if I have that.""" start="00:11:06.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I have demo project one""" start="00:11:08.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I could have emails and I created a node""" start="00:11:11.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I moved everything there to that folder""" start="00:11:17.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that when I want to look at the 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That works very well.""" start="00:18:23.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And your org files and Gmail stay in sync""" start="00:18:26.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""effortlessly, and the whole email part of it""" start="00:18:29.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""becomes part of your knowledge management system.""" start="00:18:33.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:18:35.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What this is NOT""" start="00:18:35.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We have reached the end of the demo.""" start="00:18:35.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully you understood""" start="00:18:37.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what org-gmail was all about.""" start="00:18:39.668" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any questions, let me know, but some""" start="00:18:41.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bits of warning, I wanted to give you what this""" start="00:18:44.640" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package is not, it's not a full fledged email""" start="00:18:47.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""client.""" start="00:18:50.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's meant for label management and importing some""" start="00:18:50.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emails that you wanted or you're interested in to""" start="00:18:55.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the context of your projects or areas or your GTD""" start="00:18:58.740" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""context.""" start="00:19:02.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not a replacement for gnus, mu4e or notmuch.""" start="00:19:02.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not a way to read all your emails in emacs.""" start="00:19:07.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It cannot handle a large server load for sure.""" start="00:19:10.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not offline capable.""" start="00:19:13.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It needs API access.""" start="00:19:15.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So bear that in mind.""" start="00:19:17.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What it is, is a bridge between""" start="00:19:19.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gmail and org mode.""" start="00:19:22.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a way to manage important email threads.""" start="00:19:23.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can keep updating threads.""" start="00:19:27.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever there's a reply, you keep downloading it""" start="00:19:29.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to that thread.""" start="00:19:32.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to keep track of what's going on, what""" start="00:19:32.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the logical way you can all see it.""" start="00:19:35.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even use ellama or one of those to make""" start="00:19:37.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sense of the conversation.""" start="00:19:40.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it's a long longish thread, it's a power tool""" start="00:19:42.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the getting things done or Tiago Forte's PARA""" start="00:19:45.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""method.""" start="00:19:49.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've used PARA for a long time now.""" start="00:19:49.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a power user of PARA, so to speak, so I find""" start="00:19:52.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this extremely useful myself.""" start="00:19:54.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's about 800 lines of Python""" start="00:19:56.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and about 300 to 500 lines of elisp.""" start="00:19:59.068" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Google API libraries.""" start="00:20:20.200" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Email calls Python via the call-process.""" start="00:20:22.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""json is the interchange format.""" start="00:20:25.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why not pure elisp?""" start="00:20:27.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For one, OAuth 2.0 flow is a bit complex.""" start="00:20:29.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found it a bit complex to meander on.""" start="00:20:33.800" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's probably why it took me three years, 364""" start="00:20:35.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""days to get over it.""" start="00:20:38.140" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gmail API Client libraries are mature, easier to""" start="00:20:40.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""test/debug separately and lets emacs do what it""" start="00:20:43.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does best, which is text editing.""" start="00:20:48.460" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pragmatism over purity, the emacs way since 1976.""" start="00:20:50.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Roadmap""" start="00:20:54.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, some roadmap here.""" start="00:20:54.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But near term I want better error messages.""" start="00:20:57.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It still gives me python error messages.""" start="00:21:00.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are some asynchronous operations there's no""" start="00:21:02.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocking going on.""" start="00:21:05.040" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It needs a search integration soon.""" start="00:21:06.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Attachment I have not yet touched.""" start="00:21:08.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a big big if, I don't know how to integrate""" start="00:21:11.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with org-attach, I'm still wondering how to do""" start="00:21:13.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that.""" start="00:21:15.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perhaps I should be able to interact with Outlook""" start="00:21:16.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also, fast mail, proton mail.""" start="00:21:19.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know AI summaries of thread.""" start="00:21:21.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm thinking ellama could do it, but I'm not very""" start="00:21:24.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure.""" start="00:21:27.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Calendar integration is a nice idea, but org-gcal""" start="00:21:28.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and org gmail...""" start="00:21:32.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How will they interact?""" start="00:21:33.320" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How will that work?""" start="00:21:34.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm still not sure. I use them separately.""" start="00:21:35.840" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And any other feature requests that you may have,""" start="00:21:37.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just let me know.""" start="00:21:40.600" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contributing""" start="00:21:41.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What I may need help with if you have the time and""" start="00:21:41.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're interested in this project, is to test it""" start="00:21:44.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on macOS and Windows.""" start="00:21:47.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Linux.""" start="00:21:49.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it on Debian.""" start="00:21:50.160" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works fine.""" start="00:21:51.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OAuth edge cases.""" start="00:21:52.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure how it works.""" start="00:21:54.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It shows me some error or the other""" start="00:21:55.720" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here and there.""" start="00:21:57.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely documentation needs improvements.""" start="00:21:58.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other email provider expertise will be welcome.""" start="00:22:00.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's ready is, GitHub repo with issues.""" start="00:22:04.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can start with that could be great if you can""" start="00:22:07.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tell me some issues with that.""" start="00:22:10.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some kind of development guide.""" start="00:22:11.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am not a programmer.""" start="00:22:13.880" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I vibe-coded most of it.""" start="00:22:15.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a development guide, a true blood developer,""" start="00:22:18.080" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they can come and tell me,""" start="00:22:20.920" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is what you should be doing,""" start="00:22:22.480" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm more than happy to listen to that.""" start="00:22:24.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And probably a test suite.""" start="00:22:26.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that manually.""" start="00:22:27.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of this, some kind of help with that""" start="00:22:28.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will also work.""" start="00:22:31.240" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The big picture""" start="00:22:32.940" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The big picture is org-mode and Gmail""" start="00:22:32.940" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be friends.""" start="00:22:36.560" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can bond over a cup of coffee.""" start="00:22:37.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Let's connect""" start="00:22:41.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's connect.""" start="00:22:41.120" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are my details and I am all game to listen to""" start="00:22:41.960" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your question and answers.""" start="00:22:47.660" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm happy to give you any answer or responses that""" start="00:22:48.680" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find.""" start="00:22:51.280" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please do connect with me on LinkedIn. I have my""" start="00:22:52.000" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""website here, and please do fork or install""" start="00:22:54.440" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-gmail and let me know what you think.""" start="00:22:58.360" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's talk about taming email.""" start="00:23:00.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:23:02.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gmail-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""I first of all want to address the feedback.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're absolutely right. I should have stuck to one theme.""" start="00:00:02.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I was using vanilla Emacs""" start="00:00:06.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not my own config.""" start="00:00:09.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to show that it can work, apologies for that.""" start="00:00:10.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will keep that in mind the next time I do such a demo.""" start="00:00:13.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question, I mean, the feedback was considered""" start="00:00:18.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using similar background dark only""" start="00:00:21.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or light only throughout the help,""" start="00:00:23.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""throughout the help with iStream.""" start="00:00:25.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question, the first question is,""" start="00:00:29.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should I know all my contact email address by heart""" start="00:00:31.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or is some kind of contact list?""" start="00:00:35.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, right now, this is just to get started.""" start="00:00:38.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it is, you have to know it by heart,""" start="00:00:42.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I take this as feedback.""" start="00:00:45.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will write this down for myself as a feature request.""" start="00:00:47.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will make sure that all contacts""" start="00:00:51.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or some kind of tab support is present for email addresses.""" start="00:00:53.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do not use the org system for replying so much.""" start="00:00:58.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it for knowing the context.""" start="00:01:03.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't really reply using the org mode itself to reply.""" start="00:01:06.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I did not focus on that feature. But this is doable.""" start="00:01:12.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can certainly add a tab support""" start="00:01:16.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any contacts that you may have, org contacts.""" start="00:01:18.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I don't know if there's any other package that does that.""" start="00:01:24.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if it is, let me know.""" start="00:01:28.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org contacts is what comes to my mind.""" start="00:01:29.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second question is, what would it take""" start="00:01:33.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use the org pieces of this with?""" start="00:01:36.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""offline IMAP or other non Gmail mail setups.""" start="00:01:40.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use fast mail.""" start="00:01:45.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I use only Gmail because that's my workflow""" start="00:01:46.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it works with a Gmail API.""" start="00:01:52.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So which means the Python script that goes along with it""" start="00:01:58.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only works with Gmail and no other system for now.""" start="00:02:00.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the current package.""" start="00:02:05.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, yes, I will note this down.""" start="00:02:06.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what it will take""" start="00:02:09.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to include this offline IMAP setup""" start="00:02:12.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any other non-Gmail setup.""" start="00:02:16.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me tinker with it and find out what it will involve.""" start="00:02:18.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So give me some time, maybe I will get to it.""" start="00:02:23.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, sorry. Oops. Okay. Okay. May I continue?""" start="00:02:30.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bella. Yes, please. Sorry for the confusion.""" start="00:02:43.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Amin. All right. So the next one is,""" start="00:02:46.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you worry about sending some info to a wrong person""" start="00:02:53.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to some unseen technical issues,""" start="00:02:56.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, due to memory overflow?""" start="00:02:58.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, I have not been focusing""" start="00:03:03.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on replying from within Emacs.""" start="00:03:05.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so much, or using my package,""" start="00:03:07.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually do it through the Gmail interface.""" start="00:03:09.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually use this to get the context within the project,""" start="00:03:13.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download all the emails, make sure that I have acted on emails""" start="00:03:18.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which Gmail doesn't do so well.""" start="00:03:22.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what the action is.""" start="00:03:23.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to use Gmail as a to-do list.""" start="00:03:25.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode is great at this.""" start="00:03:28.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any work I have to do, any reports I have to compile,""" start="00:03:30.147" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of that Org Mode does. I don't use it for replying""" start="00:03:32.647" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or doing its actions around the email, which I focus on.""" start="00:03:39.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But point taken, let me see""" start="00:03:43.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if there is a like Gmail offers.""" start="00:03:45.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, for 10 seconds or something you can still undo""" start="00:03:47.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it doesn't go out of your email""" start="00:03:52.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you made a mistake or if there's a problem with your,""" start="00:03:54.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, Gmail or email sending should sort of stop.""" start="00:03:59.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me think about that.""" start="00:04:04.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I've not paid attention to that,""" start="00:04:07.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll take your point.""" start="00:04:09.397" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next one, you should say what org-gmail is""" start="00:04:11.105" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not its goals and non-goals,""" start="00:04:17.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in this case is more helpful""" start="00:04:20.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help people get their head around this.""" start="00:04:22.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You had some good ones in your slides,""" start="00:04:24.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not your GitHub page. Okay, great.""" start="00:04:26.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so I will definitely take""" start="00:04:28.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the information from the slides""" start="00:04:30.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and give it to, I mean, put it back into my readme.""" start="00:04:33.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while since I updated ReadMe,""" start="00:04:38.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're absolutely right.""" start="00:04:40.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It probably doesn't say why you need org email.""" start="00:04:42.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that would be definitely something that I can do.""" start="00:04:45.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Wanting to add the goal is an easier way""" start="00:04:49.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to add one-off email into org mode""" start="00:04:51.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and org agenda workflows and first.""" start="00:04:53.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Love seeing a different way""" start="00:04:56.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of looking at and working with email.""" start="00:04:57.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for that.""" start="00:04:59.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, that's the idea here is if we can integrate email""" start="00:05:00.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think there is memacs, you know,""" start="00:05:05.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's one package that I love.""" start="00:05:08.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can integrate all of the other stuff into your org mode.""" start="00:05:11.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That worked, but I like email and dealing with email.""" start="00:05:17.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is my single source of truth outside of org mode.""" start="00:05:21.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's the only one I need for now.""" start="00:05:26.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I like seeing the action""" start="00:05:28.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the history on my org agenda.""" start="00:05:32.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one of the reasons why I built this package.""" start="00:05:35.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope that answers that.""" start="00:05:37.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is one more saying, how does it handle attachments?""" start="00:05:43.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it doesn't, do you have a plan to add this feature?""" start="00:05:49.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Attachments is a bit tricky for me right now""" start="00:05:52.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't understand org-attach so well.""" start="00:05:55.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use org-attach, but you're absolutely right.""" start="00:05:58.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does make sense to have org-attach also.""" start="00:06:01.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's definitely in my plan to include org-attach.""" start="00:06:05.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I talked about it in my talk,""" start="00:06:08.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I definitely have that idea.""" start="00:06:12.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First I have to wrap myself, my head""" start="00:06:14.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around the idea of org-attach and how it,""" start="00:06:17.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't like, what I don't like about org-attach,""" start="00:06:21.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll tell you, is default is,""" start="00:06:26.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it opens a new folder called data""" start="00:06:28.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are, it uses a unique code""" start="00:06:31.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are subfolders in it, which I do not appreciate""" start="00:06:34.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I want all those files also to be within the same context.""" start="00:06:37.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of my project or area.""" start="00:06:43.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's one of the reasons I, and I'm sure you can customize that.""" start="00:06:45.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are ways to do that,""" start="00:06:50.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have to pay more attention to this.""" start="00:06:52.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, all of the attachments are dealt with in Gmail,""" start="00:06:55.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not a good system to handle that""" start="00:06:58.730" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's so out of context.""" start="00:07:01.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there are like 25 contexts in the same inbox,""" start="00:07:03.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I do not appreciate.""" start="00:07:06.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So even the attachments are like that.""" start="00:07:08.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Org Mode has a much better way of handling it,""" start="00:07:11.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Emacs has a much better way of handling it.""" start="00:07:13.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will definitely put my attention""" start="00:07:16.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to this and get this feature out.""" start="00:07:20.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is all customer feedback for me, so to speak.""" start="00:07:22.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would definitely request all of you to try it out.""" start="00:07:25.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And tell me, you know, good""" start="00:07:30.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or bad things about the package.""" start="00:07:32.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you've been very candid so far. Please be so.""" start="00:07:34.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, so be it that be candid with your feedback""" start="00:07:38.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will get to know how to go with this.""" start="00:07:43.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With so much, I mean, I'm not an expert in Elisp,""" start="00:07:46.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have a workaround, which is I have generative AI support,""" start="00:07:49.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has done well with me.""" start="00:07:57.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I test the software better, so I can use the generative AI""" start="00:07:58.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me with the coding,""" start="00:08:03.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can test it so that it works for me.""" start="00:08:05.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I would request your help""" start="00:08:08.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also in testing this software.""" start="00:08:10.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for sure. Thank you so much for your question.""" start="00:08:13.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there are any more, I can definitely answer them.""" start="00:08:16.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [bala@balaramadurai.net](mailto:bala@balaramadurai.net?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gmail%3A%20org-gmail%3A%20A%20deep%20integration%20of%20Gmail%20into%20your%20Org%20Mode) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-before.md b/2025/info/gmail-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b6fad87b --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gmail-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 24-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-gmail"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-gmail" data=""" +00:00.000 Before we begin +00:19.840 The 4-year overnight success +01:02.800 The real title +01:15.600 Why not gnus/mu4e/notmuch? +01:34.280 The honest answer +02:17.920 The org-gmail philosophy +02:49.440 Architecture (the boring but important slide) +03:21.200 Demo 1: From gmail to org +04:37.480 Settings +05:43.040 Downloading +07:56.880 Replying +09:33.680 Label management +10:57.160 Refiling +12:04.120 Archiving +13:37.140 Action commands +15:53.680 Org Agenda +16:28.280 Trash +17:07.440 Real workflow: GTD +17:40.560 Real Workflow: P.A.R.A. +18:35.960 What this is NOT +20:07.680 Technical decisions +20:54.760 Roadmap +21:41.440 Contributing +22:32.940 The big picture +22:41.120 Let's connect + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 23:04 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gmail">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.opus">Download --main.opus (20MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--main.webm">Download --main.webm (57MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--script.txt">Download --script.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/8P93UBYrUB8">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-gmail"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gmail--orggmail-a-deep-integration-of-gmail-into-your-org-mode--bala-ramadurai--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-nav.md b/2025/info/gmail-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..57a28521 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gmail-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/reference">Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gnus">Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/gnus-after.md b/2025/info/gnus-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cd1891c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gnus-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,801 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gnus-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Amin Bandali,""" start="00:00:02.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'd like to talk about""" start="00:00:04.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs""" start="00:00:06.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Gnus specifically.""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus has had this sort of reputation""" start="00:00:14.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of being difficult to approach and configure.""" start="00:00:16.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's understandable""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it has many, many options""" start="00:00:23.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and major and minor modes""" start="00:00:26.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that interact in different ways with each other.""" start="00:00:27.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it also doesn't help that Gnus started originally""" start="00:00:30.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a newsreader""" start="00:00:35.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than a mail client.""" start="00:00:36.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a lot of the terminology that it uses""" start="00:00:38.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also rooted in that,""" start="00:00:40.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in reading and writing news.""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But nevertheless, with this video and talk,""" start="00:00:45.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope to provide a sort""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of very quick introduction""" start="00:00:52.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of starting to use Gnus""" start="00:00:55.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to read and write email and send it.""" start="00:00:57.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will use Gnus' IMAP support,""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly because a lot of people""" start="00:01:02.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these days have email accounts""" start="00:01:06.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with mail service providers""" start="00:01:08.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that support IMAP,""" start="00:01:10.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an open standard.""" start="00:01:12.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's widely available and supported""" start="00:01:14.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""across many different providers""" start="00:01:17.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as mail clients or mail user agents as well.""" start="00:01:19.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, so let's just jump straight right in.""" start="00:01:25.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will enter this demo directory that I created""" start="00:01:30.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the purposes of this 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start="00:02:04.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""install the keycast package""" start="00:02:07.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for showing the key presses in the mode line.""" start="00:02:09.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's about it.""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll also define""" start="00:02:15.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little like inline function +emacs.d""" start="00:02:16.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allows me to conveniently write""" start="00:02:20.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have it expanded""" start="00:02:24.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or refer to files and directories, rather,""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""paths that we could expand,""" start="00:02:29.301" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside my Emacs configuration directory.""" start="00:02:30.901" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have this eval-last-sexp""" start="00:02:32.834" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bound to a global key,""" start="00:02:37.501" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I will be able to easily""" start="00:02:41.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use it for this talk.""" start="00:02:43.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, let's jump right in.""" start="00:02:47.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Don't panic""" start="00:02:49.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First things first, don't panic.""" start="00:02:49.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's actually also the name""" start="00:02:52.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the very first node""" start="00:02:55.268" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Gnus manual when you open it.""" start="00:02:58.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's actually nice.""" start="00:03:01.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I definitely, definitely recommend""" start="00:03:02.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you look through""" start="00:03:04.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the very first couple of chapters of this,""" start="00:03:07.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""skim through it, and later on refer to it""" start="00:03:10.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you find something confusing""" start="00:03:14.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or don't understand it.""" start="00:03:16.134" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, we'll start""" start="00:03:19.500" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with these two paragraphs here.""" start="00:03:21.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So again, a Gnus installation""" start="00:03:22.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is basically just a list of one or more servers""" start="00:03:23.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the subscribed groups from those servers""" start="00:03:28.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and articles in those groups.""" start="00:03:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can already kind of see""" start="00:03:32.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where that influence of a newsreader comes in.""" start="00:03:34.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, basically what it's saying is that,""" start="00:03:39.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, we have one or more servers.""" start="00:03:41.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can think of them as email servers.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Groups can be like, we can think""" start="00:03:47.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of them as folders or directories.""" start="00:03:49.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, articles,""" start="00:03:52.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those would be like our email messages.""" start="00:03:55.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Configuring servers""" start="00:03:58.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""With Gnus, we can add""" start="00:03:58.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and configure servers mainly using two variables.""" start="00:03:59.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of them is the gnus-select-method""" start="00:04:06.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the other is gnus-secondary-select-methods.""" start="00:04:07.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one predates the second one""" start="00:04:11.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I generally don't recommend using it, because""" start="00:04:15.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first of all, it can only point""" start="00:04:17.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to one server, and that server,""" start="00:04:22.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's the primary,""" start="00:04:26.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Gnus won't add a prefix to its groups,""" start="00:04:27.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so later on, as you get into""" start="00:04:32.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more advanced features of Gnus""" start="00:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, for example, want to write rules""" start="00:04:36.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to modify your message composition""" start="00:04:38.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way for certain groups, or file mail,""" start="00:04:42.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically classify mail,""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this distinction can become""" start="00:04:48.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""confusing and annoying.""" start="00:04:51.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My recommendation is to always and only use""" start="00:04:53.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the gnus-secondary-select-methods.""" start="00:04:57.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so let's do that here.""" start="00:05:01.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna uncomment this portion.""" start="00:05:07.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, I set the primary select method to nil,""" start="00:05:10.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the second one, I define an nnimap server""" start="00:05:16.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the nnimap backend.""" start="00:05:24.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I give it the name ec25gnus.""" start="00:05:30.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I want it to do is to""" start="00:05:32.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connect to my mail server,""" start="00:05:35.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is at this address,""" start="00:05:37.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fetch emails from it over TLS with this username.""" start="00:05:41.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text=""".authinfo""" start="00:05:46.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And then the passwords or the credentials,""" start="00:05:46.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can put them in the .authinfo file.""" start="00:05:50.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normally, you would want to, for example,""" start="00:05:56.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encrypt this file with your GPG key.""" start="00:05:58.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for this demonstration, I haven't.""" start="00:06:03.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, the format is the keyword "machine"""" start="00:06:06.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by the name of your Gnus server or account,""" start="00:06:10.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by the word "login",""" start="00:06:15.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then your login username,""" start="00:06:17.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the password, which here it's not shown.""" start="00:06:19.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:06:23.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Configuration""" start="00:06:26.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But before we actually set this,""" start="00:06:26.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just show you that if we like start Gnus""" start="00:06:28.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with M-x gnus,""" start="00:06:31.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""initially, it will just show""" start="00:06:33.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an error like this.""" start="00:06:36.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even if we continue, it's empty.""" start="00:06:37.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's not much because Gnus doesn't know""" start="00:06:40.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where to fetch these emails from.""" start="00:06:43.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's what we will configure.""" start="00:06:47.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excuse me.""" start="00:06:52.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so just for convenience,""" start="00:06:55.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can bind Gnus to,""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, C-c g, as I've done here.""" start="00:06:59.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will want to set your name""" start="00:07:00.680" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe it still scatters them""" start="00:07:31.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a few different directories""" start="00:07:34.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your home directory,""" start="00:07:35.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a little bit messy.""" start="00:07:36.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I prefer to do is to just put it""" start="00:07:37.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all under the Gnus directory""" start="00:07:40.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of my Emacs configuration, as I do here.""" start="00:07:42.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and then here we just tell Gnus""" start="00:07:47.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to, like, don't try 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can also have Gnus not prompt us""" start="00:08:12.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we want to exit with q.""" start="00:08:15.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so let's go ahead and evaluate this.""" start="00:08:19.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this has been set,""" start="00:08:23.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Starting Gnus""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""so if we type M-x gnus again, or hit C-c g,""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now we're faced with an empty buffer,""" start="00:08:32.268" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it says no news is good news,""" start="00:08:35.700" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's actually""" 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+[[!template text="""To actually see all of our groups or folders,""" start="00:09:00.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we hit shift L or capital L,""" start="00:09:03.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we see that we have an inbox here,""" start="00:09:08.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as expected. So we enter the inbox,""" start="00:09:12.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we see that there is an article there""" start="00:09:14.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's already been marked as read.""" start="00:09:17.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we mark it as unread""" start="00:09:20.780" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and exit and enter Gnus again,""" start="00:09:22.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is what we would see.""" start="00:09:25.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We would see that our group""" start="00:09:27.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we enter it, we see our mail here.""" start="00:09:28.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and this is our very first email""" start="00:09:34.100" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we read in GNU Emacs here, inside Gnus.""" start="00:09:36.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Always showing groups""" start="00:09:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It might be useful to have Gnus always show""" start="00:09:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""certain groups or folders""" start="00:09:43.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if they don't have""" start="00:09:46.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything unread or marked inside of them.""" start="00:09:48.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The way we can do that is""" start="00:09:52.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by setting this variable""" start="00:09:56.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gnus-permanently-visible-groups""" start="00:09:57.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a regular expression""" start="00:10:01.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that describes the name of these groups.""" start="00:10:03.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we launch Gnus again,""" start="00:10:09.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this time, we see that that group is visible,""" start="00:10:11.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though there's no unread messages in it.""" start="00:10:14.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading messages""" start="00:10:19.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""When we enter a group or folder,""" start="00:10:19.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will see a list of all of our messages.""" start="00:10:24.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, we only have one.""" start="00:10:26.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can press M-u or Alt-u""" start="00:10:27.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mark something as unread.""" start="00:10:31.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can press d to mark it as read.""" start="00:10:34.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you press just u,""" start="00:10:38.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll tick the article,""" start="00:10:40.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is kind of the equivalent""" start="00:10:41.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of marking the message or email""" start="00:10:44.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as starred in other email clients""" start="00:10:47.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as Thunderbird.""" start="00:10:50.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We see that when there are groups""" start="00:10:55.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that have starred or ticked messages""" start="00:11:00.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of them,""" start="00:11:03.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus will mark them""" start="00:11:04.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this little star here, or asterisk.""" start="00:11:05.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk is just barely""" start="00:11:16.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scratching the surface.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you set it to anything non-nil,""" start="00:11:40.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will log the commands that it runs""" start="00:11:42.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a special `\*imap log\*` buffer.""" start="00:11:46.700" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here I just set it""" start="00:11:49.540" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to this init-file-debug variable,""" start="00:11:50.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is set to non-nil""" start="00:11:52.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you launch Emacs""" start="00:11:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the --debug-init switch,""" start="00:11:56.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's pretty helpful.""" start="00:11:59.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You want to also set your sent folder,""" start="00:12:02.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically, where Gnus will save""" start="00:12:05.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a copy of the message that you just sent.""" start="00:12:07.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normally, I think the convention these days is,""" start="00:12:09.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of you know servers and clients""" start="00:12:12.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use a dedicated sent folder,""" start="00:12:16.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with Gnus, I just prefer to use INBOX itself.""" start="00:12:18.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mainly because then I will have""" start="00:12:24.340" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threading working for free,""" start="00:12:27.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can read the entire thread""" start="00:12:28.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of an email chain there in one place.""" start="00:12:31.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, we don't have to keep""" start="00:12:34.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the messages in there forever.""" start="00:12:35.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in fact, Gnus has facilities,""" start="00:12:38.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both manual and automated,""" start="00:12:42.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for expiring emails into""" start="00:12:43.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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So let's move on here.""" start="00:12:52.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Topics""" start="00:12:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Topics are another nice feature of Gnus.""" start="00:12:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is useful""" start="00:13:02.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for creating some topics""" start="00:13:03.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then classifying or grouping""" start="00:13:05.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your directories there.""" start="00:13:08.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we will see the use""" start="00:13:10.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this in a moment,""" start="00:13:11.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where, let's say, I want to add""" start="00:13:13.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a second account to Gnus.""" start="00:13:17.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one I'm going to call ec25work.""" start="00:13:20.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's pretend that""" start="00:13:23.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is my work email.""" start="00:13:24.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we open Gnus now,""" start="00:13:29.860" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that our work INBOX""" start="00:13:32.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also shows up here.""" start="00:13:37.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because we enabled topic mode,""" start="00:13:37.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that we have""" start="00:13:41.300" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these sort of buttons""" start="00:13:42.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Gnus and misc here.""" start="00:13:43.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can, I believe,""" start="00:13:44.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""create a topic with capital T n.""" start="00:13:46.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can call it personal, this one.""" start="00:13:49.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's create another one, work.""" start="00:13:52.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then what we can do is go""" start="00:13:56.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the directory that we want,""" start="00:13:59.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, this one,""" start="00:14:02.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hit capital T m to move it""" start="00:14:04.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the personal topic,""" start="00:14:08.220" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this work one,""" start="00:14:11.900" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""move it to the work topic.""" start="00:14:13.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can nicely classify""" start="00:14:15.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and group our groups folders here,""" start="00:14:17.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is especially useful""" start="00:14:23.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you have hundreds of them.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Customizing message display""" start="00:14:25.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Anyhow, we can customize""" start="00:14:25.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different aspects of message display.""" start="00:14:29.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like for example,""" start="00:14:35.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can this way customize""" start="00:14:35.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and change the order of""" start="00:14:38.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which headers we want to see and where.""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I launch Gnus""" start="00:14:41.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and go back to this email here,""" start="00:14:45.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are the headers that we see at the top.""" start="00:14:48.460" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excuse me.""" start="00:14:52.140" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with Gnus we can always""" start="00:14:52.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can have it show all the headers""" start="00:14:55.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by pressing t to toggle the headers.""" start="00:14:57.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we can see all the nitty-gritty""" start="00:15:02.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all of the headers in the message""" start="00:15:04.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can toggle it back with t again.""" start="00:15:06.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can modify and customize the sorting""" start="00:15:12.220" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with dedicated sorting functions.""" start="00:15:16.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It comes with a number of them""" start="00:15:20.020" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of the box""" start="00:15:21.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we can define them as well.""" start="00:15:21.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sending emails""" start="00:15:24.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now to send emails. Let's see.""" start="00:15:24.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will be using message,""" start="00:15:29.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's what Gnus itself uses.""" start="00:15:31.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will set things up here.""" start="00:15:34.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:15:38.580" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so first of all,""" start="00:15:42.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we want to have Gnus mark""" start="00:15:44.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the messages that we write to others""" start="00:15:46.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as read automatically,""" start="00:15:48.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this option does that.""" start="00:15:49.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we define posting styles this way""" start="00:15:51.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the prefix, the name""" start="00:15:58.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the IMAP server.""" start="00:16:01.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is how we can tell it to use""" start="00:16:04.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what email address for the From [header]""" start="00:16:06.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and which SMTP server to send it with.""" start="00:16:09.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and then gcc is where Gnus will save""" start="00:16:14.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the copy of the messages that we write.""" start="00:16:17.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we go ahead and launch Gnus again.""" start="00:16:20.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can go into our personal email here,""" start="00:16:24.140" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hit m to compose a new message.""" start="00:16:26.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can prepare an email to,""" start="00:16:28.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say, our work address.""" start="00:16:33.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello from EmacsConf 2025 Gnus talk.""" start="00:16:35.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello, this is just a test. :)""" start="00:16:42.420" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and we hit send.""" start="00:16:47.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The sending will be done""" start="00:16:55.740" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Emacs's built-in SMTP libraries.""" start="00:16:56.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it can take a moment.""" start="00:17:03.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, that's it. It's done.""" start="00:17:05.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we go back out""" start="00:17:07.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if we hit g to get new news,""" start="00:17:09.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we should be able to see our new email there""" start="00:17:11.560" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the other account that we just sent it to.""" start="00:17:15.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can come here, open it,""" start="00:17:17.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there we go.""" start="00:17:22.361" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Plans""" start="00:17:26.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is a lot to configure in Gnus,""" start="00:17:26.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we're just barely scratching the surface,""" start="00:17:29.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and unfortunately I don't have the time""" start="00:17:31.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to explain all of these""" start="00:17:34.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do plan on doing""" start="00:17:35.000" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a much longer running series,""" start="00:17:36.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether it's text or videos,""" start="00:17:38.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""showing how to configure""" start="00:17:41.500" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use a lot of these different aspects of Gnus.""" start="00:17:42.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, here, near the end, just a couple of...""" start="00:17:45.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quick things. I find it's nice to have message""" start="00:17:49.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prompt us for [confirmation]""" start="00:17:54.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we do want to send a message.""" start="00:17:56.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, when it does that, I take""" start="00:17:59.200" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another look over my email""" start="00:18:01.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make sure I don't have any typos.""" start="00:18:02.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's generally a good idea to wrap your messages""" start="00:18:07.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around 70 or 72 characters.""" start="00:18:09.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do that here.""" start="00:18:14.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can tell Gnus to forward messages""" start="00:18:16.620" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a proper MIME part,""" start="00:18:19.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of some half-broken way.""" start="00:18:22.600" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This customization, the sendmail function,""" start="00:18:27.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is how we tell Gnus with message""" start="00:18:30.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use the SMTP library to sending the email,""" start="00:18:34.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these two variables are useful for""" start="00:18:38.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""omitting our own email address""" start="00:18:42.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we want to send someone,""" start="00:18:45.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when we hit r, to reply to someone.""" start="00:18:47.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we configure these variables,""" start="00:18:50.180" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Gnus won't add""" start="00:18:51.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our own address to the To or Cc,""" start="00:18:52.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is pretty useful.""" start="00:18:56.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also find it helpful""" start="00:18:58.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to unbind C-c C-s.""" start="00:18:59.920" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's another key""" start="00:19:03.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for sending the message [in addition to C-c C-c].""" start="00:19:04.975" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because C-c C-d,""" start="00:19:06.320" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very close to it on the QWERTY layout,""" start="00:19:09.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is useful for saving a draft""" start="00:19:13.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then coming back to it,""" start="00:19:15.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally hit C-c C-s,""" start="00:19:16.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and send the message prematurely.""" start="00:19:20.080" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I unbind it.""" start="00:19:22.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, anyway, that's about it.""" start="00:19:25.980" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:19:27.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""That's a kind of very quick tour""" start="00:19:27.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and introduction of setting up Gnus.""" start="00:19:31.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, we just configured a remote IMAP server,""" start="00:19:37.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we can also, of course,""" start="00:19:40.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up a local IMAP server such as Dovecot""" start="00:19:43.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and point Gnus to there,""" start="00:19:46.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use programs like OfflineIMAP, I believe,""" start="00:19:48.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the mbsync program from isync package""" start="00:19:52.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or isync project to synchronize our messages""" start="00:19:57.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to local mail directories""" start="00:20:02.940" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then point Gnus to it.""" start="00:20:04.480" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason we might want to use that""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to always have a copy of our messages at hand""" start="00:20:08.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can use offline.""" start="00:20:11.720" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""nnimap""" start="00:20:12.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And why use nnimap specifically?""" start="00:20:12.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As of now, the Maildir backend included with Gnus""" start="00:20:17.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is very inefficient,""" start="00:20:27.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially when dealing with""" start="00:20:29.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tens or hundreds of thousands of messages""" start="00:20:31.400" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like some of us are.""" start="00:20:33.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just takes an eternity to try""" start="00:20:36.660" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and index them and get going.""" start="00:20:38.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In that case, what I recommend doing""" start="00:20:43.260" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is instead of interfacing directly with Maildir,""" start="00:20:44.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Gnus, just install and run""" start="00:20:47.800" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dovecot, a local IMAP server,""" start="00:20:52.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and point Gnus to that.""" start="00:20:54.360" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I plan on writing tutorials or doing videos""" start="00:20:59.820" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these other aspects""" start="00:21:02.960" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of configuring Gnus after the conference.""" start="00:21:06.640" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's about it for me,""" start="00:21:10.520" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I hope you find this helpful.""" start="00:21:11.440" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any questions,""" start="00:21:14.120" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please feel free to email me""" start="00:21:16.680" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at bandali@gnu.org or @kelar.org.""" start="00:21:18.240" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can take a look at my personal website""" start="00:21:23.760" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I plan on posting""" start="00:21:25.880" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other Emacs and Gnus materials.""" start="00:21:26.840" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, thank you for watching""" start="00:21:31.060" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:21:33.040" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care.""" start="00:21:35.160" video="mainVideo-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gnus-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: I noticed that it took a considerable amount of time to send email. Is it possible to configure gnus to use an external smtp client to send emails?""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, so first question.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I noticed that it took considerable amount of time to send email.""" start="00:00:02.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it possible to configure to use an external SMTP client""" start="00:00:05.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send emails? Right, yes, it definitely is possible.""" start="00:00:09.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, in the past, I've used, I believe, MSMTP,""" start="00:00:14.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a small SMTP implementation""" start="00:00:18.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's independent of Emacs. So you can do that.""" start="00:00:23.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also possible to, pointed""" start="00:00:27.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have it use the sendmail binary on your system.""" start="00:00:30.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have a local MTA mail transfer agents""" start="00:00:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Exim or Postfix installed and configure.""" start="00:00:41.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe that should also dispatch""" start="00:00:46.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and return instantaneously""" start="00:00:50.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have Postfix or Exim""" start="00:00:51.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deal with sending the message on their terms""" start="00:00:55.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without blocking Emacs. I don't know, it depends.""" start="00:00:57.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normally it's not always that slow. Sometimes it is.""" start="00:01:02.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it also depends on the load on your mail server.""" start="00:01:04.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it's instantaneous, sometimes not.""" start="00:01:11.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I hope that helps.""" start="00:01:14.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Is the dovecot workaround actually a solution?""" start="00:01:17.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's see, is the Dovecot workaround""" start="00:01:17.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually a solution?""" start="00:01:20.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't tried it, but if it works smoothly,""" start="00:01:21.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll surely do so. It is, it really is.""" start="00:01:24.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've actually been using that setup for many years.""" start="00:01:27.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember. Oh, I believe it's Eric Abramson""" start="00:01:31.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who first shared instructions on how to set this up.""" start="00:01:45.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see if I can find it. There we go. Yeah, this is it.""" start="00:01:49.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll share this on IRC as well.""" start="00:02:04.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so Dovecot is very, very efficient.""" start="00:02:06.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written in C. And yeah, when you point Gnus""" start="00:02:15.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to an IMAP server like Dovecot,""" start="00:02:21.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dealing with email is pretty instantaneous.""" start="00:02:23.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This article or post by Eric is great.""" start="00:02:25.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although I will say that""" start="00:02:29.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a recent major release of Dovecot.""" start="00:02:32.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember if it's 2.4 or 2.5.""" start="00:02:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's a breaking change.""" start="00:02:37.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They change a lot of the configuration syntax,""" start="00:02:39.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's a high likelihood""" start="00:02:42.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this drop-in configuration won't work,""" start="00:02:44.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though that's what I used""" start="00:02:47.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as my starting point a couple years ago.""" start="00:02:49.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be writing an article on my personal site""" start="00:02:51.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go over how to configure recent versions of Dovecot""" start="00:02:56.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for such a setup, for a local setup.""" start="00:03:02.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Do you have experience with mu4e or Notmuch, and why would you say Gnus is worth using compared to these?""" start="00:03:07.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's see. Do you have experience with Mu4e or not much?""" start="00:03:07.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And why would you say Gnus is worth using compared to these?""" start="00:03:15.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have experience with these,""" start="00:03:22.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although it goes back many years,""" start="00:03:23.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm sure both of these have evolved since,""" start="00:03:25.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they're great pieces of software in their own rights.""" start="00:03:27.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And actually I did use them in that order.""" start="00:03:31.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I first tried Mu4e in Emacs,""" start="00:03:33.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I started using email in Emacs,""" start="00:03:37.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I tried Notmuch for a while, and then I went to Gnus.""" start="00:03:40.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're great. They have like pros and cons.""" start="00:03:44.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mu4e, I believe, has""" start="00:03:51.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""excellent maildir handling directly,""" start="00:03:52.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I'm not mistaken, unlike Gnus,""" start="00:03:55.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can point it directly""" start="00:03:58.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to your maildirs locally,""" start="00:04:00.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it should work fine,""" start="00:04:03.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I'm remembering correctly.""" start="00:04:06.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""NotMuch is also excellent.""" start="00:04:08.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing with Notmuch""" start="00:04:11.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it uses Xapien""" start="00:04:12.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for indexing and searching email.""" start="00:04:13.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's tag-based, so you can tag messages.""" start="00:04:17.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, yeah, it's amazing""" start="00:04:20.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for tagging and searching capabilities,""" start="00:04:24.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very powerful search features.""" start="00:04:26.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my reason for trying Gnus""" start="00:04:28.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then, I don't know, eventually""" start="00:04:31.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""liking it was couple of years ago,""" start="00:04:33.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I went through this kind of phase""" start="00:04:37.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of trying and trying to like use""" start="00:04:38.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stick with packages""" start="00:04:40.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are built into GNU Emacs""" start="00:04:43.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as much as possible.""" start="00:04:45.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No particular reason that I would like,""" start="00:04:47.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, recommend people do that per se,""" start="00:04:51.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but yeah, that's just what I wanted to do.""" start="00:04:54.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cause I noticed my configurations""" start="00:04:57.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were like growing unwieldy.""" start="00:05:00.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I, like many others declared, Emacs in its bankruptcy,""" start="00:05:02.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in its file bankruptcy, and configure things from scratch""" start="00:05:07.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try to use whatever that Emacs had to offer""" start="00:05:11.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built in itself, and then only reach for a couple""" start="00:05:15.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of external packages here and there.""" start="00:05:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what I went to. That's how I ended up on Gnu's.""" start="00:05:20.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's been very nice.""" start="00:05:24.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've tried a few other email clients""" start="00:05:26.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since then, temporarily,""" start="00:05:29.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like I tried AERC, A-E-R-C,""" start="00:05:31.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not built into Emacs,""" start="00:05:33.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't know,""" start="00:05:36.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I keep coming back to Gnus.""" start="00:05:36.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great to have it all, to be able to do all these things""" start="00:05:38.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from within GNU Emacs. Let's see, some notes and feedback.""" start="00:05:42.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for all the kind words folks, appreciate it.""" start="00:05:47.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm glad that you found the presentation helpful""" start="00:05:52.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or somewhat useful. Let's see, new question.""" start="00:05:56.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and I will check IRC as well.""" start="00:05:59.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: At my organization, we're forced to use OAuth with outlook and they've also blacklisted all email clients except thunderbird (but they don't support it, only the webmail or the outlook app). Do you know if this is something that can be circumvented in Gnus?""" start="00:06:05.320" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's see, at my organization,""" start="00:06:05.320" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're forced to use OAuth with Outlook,""" start="00:06:06.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they've also blacklisted""" start="00:06:09.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all email clients except Thunderbird,""" start="00:06:11.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they don't support it,""" start="00:06:13.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only the Webmail or the Outlook app.""" start="00:06:15.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you know if this is something""" start="00:06:17.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be circumvented in Gnus? Let's see.""" start="00:06:18.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I'm pretty sure, at least with the recent Emacs versions,""" start="00:06:23.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus does support xOAuth as a backend.""" start="00:06:29.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think you should be able to do that""" start="00:06:37.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even with just the things, the machinery built into Emacs.""" start="00:06:41.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even so, I think there are external packages and programs.""" start="00:06:45.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of them I think comes from this Cyrus IMAP world""" start="00:06:53.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of things that implement like XOAuth.""" start="00:06:58.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you should be able to do that.""" start="00:07:02.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should be able to use that to get authenticated""" start="00:07:04.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to your organization's mail server.""" start="00:07:09.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I've never tried that myself.""" start="00:07:12.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In terms of like blacklisting all email clients,""" start="00:07:15.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know how they would do it outside of, you know,""" start="00:07:22.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this kind of authentication thingy.""" start="00:07:27.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If, you know, they check""" start="00:07:29.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the user agent header or something,""" start="00:07:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's pretty easy to customize and set.""" start="00:07:34.640" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Gnus, you can set, define a posting style""" start="00:07:37.280" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to set a custom user agent.""" start="00:07:40.880" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, that's as far as I know.""" start="00:07:43.280" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thunderbird is pretty nice too.""" start="00:07:48.720" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I reach out for it sometimes""" start="00:07:50.080" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm in a rush or can't,""" start="00:07:54.160" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't have the time to like set up Gnus with""" start="00:07:55.800" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like some new like IMAP server or something.""" start="00:08:00.160" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reach for it sometimes, but yeah,""" start="00:08:04.040" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I primarily use Gnus. I see.""" start="00:08:05.520" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the question says they tried it""" start="00:08:10.360" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with not much and it never worked.""" start="00:08:11.720" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even KML on Android didn't work.""" start="00:08:13.280" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Yeah, I'm not sure.""" start="00:08:20.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can like provide maybe more details""" start="00:08:23.520" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as to like what doesn't work""" start="00:08:27.040" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if you get any particular error messages""" start="00:08:29.320" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or like how they're trying to like prevent you from using it,""" start="00:08:32.080" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then maybe folks could have some ideas""" start="00:08:37.360" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of maybe how to get around that.""" start="00:08:38.440" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Let's see, I'm going to go""" start="00:08:42.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over and take a look at IRC. Yes, scoring is great.""" start="00:08:46.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In it for bankruptcy,""" start="00:08:59.960" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they have mail to use outlook from Gnus, right?""" start="00:09:02.960" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, there are various like solutions and workarounds.""" start="00:09:06.560" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see. How's the schedule looking?""" start="00:09:12.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the next talk""" start="00:09:23.520" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is gonna start pretty soon, if I'm not mistaken.""" start="00:09:24.520" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so I believe that's about all the time""" start="00:09:30.520" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we have on the stream for the Q&A,""" start="00:09:34.280" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but of course I'll hang around here on big blue button""" start="00:09:36.800" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and IRC for a while if folks would like to ask more questions.""" start="00:09:40.760" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also feel free to email me,""" start="00:09:45.280" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bandali@gnu.org""" start="00:09:47.280" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at kelar.org with any questions.""" start="00:09:49.100" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks again for the kind words folks, appreciate it.""" start="00:10:31.540" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I myself also wish""" start="00:10:35.720" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there were like some tutorials or something""" start="00:10:38.400" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I was getting started with Gnus,""" start="00:10:41.320" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we didn't have that. So, and I've been meaning""" start="00:10:43.680" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to like record a talk like this for years for EmacsConf,""" start="00:10:46.120" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but yeah, funnily enough, after like 10 years of,""" start="00:10:50.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at my 10th anniversary""" start="00:10:53.040" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of being involved with the conference,""" start="00:10:54.920" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I finally put together a talk of my own""" start="00:10:55.880" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to talk about configuring Gnus.""" start="00:10:58.000" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Oh, I see, I see.""" start="00:11:08.200" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the organization is doing some kind of check""" start="00:11:25.960" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during setting up of OAuth.""" start="00:11:29.720" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think how that works is""" start="00:11:41.240" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes these email clients,""" start="00:11:45.640" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think at least this is the case for Gmail or something,""" start="00:11:47.400" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where a project such as Thunderbird""" start="00:11:50.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needs to apply for some kind of token""" start="00:11:55.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be able to authenticate""" start="00:12:00.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connect its users to a mail server.""" start="00:12:02.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all I will say is""" start="00:12:05.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Thunderbird is free software""" start="00:12:10.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the sources are available""" start="00:12:12.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you might be able to find""" start="00:12:13.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the token that they use and yeah.""" start="00:12:15.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, so yeah, I'm just reading this comment here.""" start="00:12:19.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're very welcome again.""" start="00:13:13.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you find it useful in some way.""" start="00:13:16.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Comment: Liked how I started with a clean setup""" start="00:13:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So they say that they like the fact""" start="00:13:18.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I started with a clean setup and built from that.""" start="00:13:21.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reading and writing emails in Emacs""" start="00:13:25.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is definitely not straightforward.""" start="00:13:27.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I find it frustrating""" start="00:13:28.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there are so many pieces to put together""" start="00:13:30.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a bunch of documentation to read.""" start="00:13:32.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they admit that they find Gnus overwhelming.""" start="00:13:34.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I sympathize and empathize.""" start="00:13:39.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been in that very same situation.""" start="00:13:42.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, it's totally okay to feel like that.""" start="00:13:45.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, email itself is kind of complex,""" start="00:13:50.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even on the server side.""" start="00:13:55.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever looked or have been interested""" start="00:13:57.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in self-hosting your email,""" start="00:14:00.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know that there are so many moving parts and pieces.""" start="00:14:02.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I hope that this short video""" start="00:14:06.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be a useful first step""" start="00:14:14.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of getting you set up to""" start="00:14:18.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least be able to read your emails""" start="00:14:19.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and compose and send them within Emacs""" start="00:14:22.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can see that it's possible""" start="00:14:26.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get that positive feedback loop going""" start="00:14:30.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get the encouragement and then go from there.""" start="00:14:34.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, Gnus is most definitely very extensible.""" start="00:14:41.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It already has a lot of backends built into GNU Emacs,""" start="00:15:06.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are other ones""" start="00:15:10.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people have written externally""" start="00:15:12.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on various code hosting forges""" start="00:15:14.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can download and set up. Yeah, thank you all.""" start="00:15:18.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's nice to see that the talk""" start="00:15:27.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has kind of resonated with so many folks.""" start="00:15:30.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, yeah, it is encouragement""" start="00:15:33.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me to finally get around to starting""" start="00:15:41.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps either a tutorial series""" start="00:15:44.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or like a video series like this""" start="00:15:47.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concretely showing and walking through""" start="00:15:50.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to like set up and configure these different aspects.""" start="00:15:54.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There were so many other things that I wanted to show,""" start="00:15:57.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but didn't have the time""" start="00:16:00.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or couldn't squeeze it into""" start="00:16:04.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the 15, 20 minute format for the conference.""" start="00:16:06.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. I'm going to hang out here for a few more minutes.""" start="00:16:09.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Comment: They would have liked to see a quick demo of Gnus while it is fully configured and tweaked""" start="00:17:34.660" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another comment, they would have liked""" start="00:17:34.660" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see a quick demo of Gnus""" start="00:17:36.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while it is fully configured and tweaked.""" start="00:17:38.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's kind of a teaser.""" start="00:17:41.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can definitely do that sometime after the conference.""" start="00:17:43.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truth be told, I don't customize the looks of it heavily.""" start="00:17:52.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use the default layout""" start="00:17:59.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the summary and article buffers.""" start="00:18:01.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Gnus, you can even reconfigure that""" start="00:18:03.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to arrange these in your preferred location or layout.""" start="00:18:12.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really do any of that.""" start="00:18:15.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the most part, my setup is pretty simple.""" start="00:18:18.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""My init file""" start="00:18:22.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I can actually maybe show my init file here. Let's see.""" start="00:18:22.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so this is, I guess, part of my Gnus configuration.""" start="00:18:27.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I configure a couple of mail servers,""" start="00:18:58.718" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up these expiry targets""" start="00:19:01.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can hit capital E on a message""" start="00:19:04.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have it be archived. You can have it be immediate.""" start="00:19:07.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that for work messages""" start="00:19:12.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can use the default seven day,""" start="00:19:15.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where if a message is older than seven days,""" start="00:19:17.678" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like once it reaches that age""" start="00:19:21.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's been marked as expired and it'll be moved into,""" start="00:19:23.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like for example, this yearly archive directory,""" start="00:19:26.358" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like archive. For example, 2025.""" start="00:19:29.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Mail splitting""" start="00:19:34.080" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Yeah, you can do like mail splitting,""" start="00:19:34.080" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically filing email.""" start="00:19:35.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The fancy splitting is the more powerful variant.""" start="00:19:38.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use like all kinds of regular expressions""" start="00:19:44.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and move email around depending on""" start="00:19:46.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what field or what header""" start="00:19:48.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""matches what regular expression.""" start="00:19:50.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Gnus parameters""" start="00:19:52.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What else? Gnus has things,""" start="00:19:52.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a facility like Gnus parameters""" start="00:20:00.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for configuring individual groups or directories.""" start="00:20:03.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like if you file all the mailing or the mails""" start="00:20:07.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a particular mailing list into a certain group.""" start="00:20:11.478" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for example, if they add""" start="00:20:15.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the mailing list""" start="00:20:20.238" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the, subject header.""" start="00:20:22.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They prefix the subject header with the name of the list.""" start="00:20:26.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set that here""" start="00:20:28.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Gnus will automatically""" start="00:20:30.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hide that for you. So, let's see.""" start="00:20:32.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a news agent,""" start="00:20:39.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I won't even get into because it's a rabbit hole.""" start="00:20:54.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty cool. Definitely check it out.""" start="00:20:58.918" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can define what MIME parts should be buttonized""" start="00:21:01.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can like easily toggle them""" start="00:21:07.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when displaying the article.""" start="00:21:09.278" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can customize the list""" start="00:21:11.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the headers that are displayed and the order of them.""" start="00:21:14.838" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I showed in the sample init file that I provided.""" start="00:21:17.598" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gnus can integrate with Dired.""" start="00:21:22.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Custom signatures""" start="00:21:31.020" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can set like custom signatures like here.""" start="00:21:31.020" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I might define something""" start="00:21:35.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I use it later in the posting,""" start="00:21:37.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the posting, the news posting styles variable.""" start="00:21:44.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I set a signature to that. Yeah.""" start="00:21:48.518" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other customizations""" start="00:22:05.020" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can write custom like functions to move email around.""" start="00:22:05.020" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have this like Gnus chunk article function""" start="00:22:09.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I bind to v s,""" start="00:22:13.920" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so v is the prefix came up that I defined,""" start="00:22:19.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then s, so you can do things like that.""" start="00:22:22.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can customize the format of the topic lines,""" start="00:22:29.758" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if I actually launch Gnus with my own configuration,""" start="00:22:34.198" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is how it might look like, so.""" start="00:22:39.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can define archive decoders""" start="00:22:43.398" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to let you like automatically decode""" start="00:22:58.438" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside the Gnus article buffer,""" start="00:23:02.318" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to extract certain archive formats.""" start="00:23:04.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like for example, I defined this one for Gzip.""" start="00:23:10.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can set like discouraged alternatives""" start="00:23:13.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to like, for example, hide HTML email by default,""" start="00:23:18.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if there is a plain text version. I do that.""" start="00:23:22.078" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GNU says machinery around like encrypting emails.""" start="00:23:26.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a bunch of customizations.""" start="00:23:34.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can configure and have Gnus behave a certain way.""" start="00:23:41.760" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, when replying to signed or encrypted emails.""" start="00:23:44.798" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah. Anyway. That's about it.""" start="00:23:48.638" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, thanks again for hanging out with me, folks.""" start="00:24:01.958" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I appreciate all the kind words.""" start="00:24:04.558" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comments and yeah, I'm also""" start="00:24:08.878" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking forward to trying and putting together""" start="00:24:13.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more videos or articles about Gnus.""" start="00:24:17.038" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely one about configuring Dovecot for local mail.""" start="00:24:21.998" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, take it from there. Thanks again.""" start="00:24:28.118" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:24:31.158" video="qanda-gnus" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [bandali@gnu.org](mailto:bandali@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gnus%3A%20Reading%20and%20writing%20emails%20in%20GNU%20Emacs%20with%20Gnus) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/gnus-before.md b/2025/info/gnus-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..752e969e --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gnus-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 22-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-gnus"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-gnus" data=""" +00:02.620 Introduction +01:25.240 Demo +02:49.960 Don't panic +03:58.560 Configuring servers +05:46.240 .authinfo +06:26.600 Configuration +08:25.720 Starting Gnus +09:40.080 Always showing groups +10:19.900 Reading messages +11:30.120 Debugging IMAP +12:55.160 Topics +14:25.560 Customizing message display +15:24.320 Sending emails +17:26.660 Plans +19:27.960 Wrapping up +20:12.760 nnimap + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 21:37 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.opus">Download --main.opus (19MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--main.webm">Download --main.webm (60MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--split.vtt">Download --split.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/0Pu8oqdsSig">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-gnus"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="qanda-gnus" data=""" +00:00.000 Q: I noticed that it took a considerable amount of time to send email. Is it possible to configure gnus to use an external smtp client to send emails? +01:17.838 Q: Is the dovecot workaround actually a solution? +03:07.118 Q: Do you have experience with mu4e or Notmuch, and why would you say Gnus is worth using compared to these? +06:05.320 Q: At my organization, we're forced to use OAuth with outlook and they've also blacklisted all email clients except thunderbird (but they don't support it, only the webmail or the outlook app). Do you know if this is something that can be circumvented in Gnus? +13:18.798 Comment: Liked how I started with a clean setup +17:34.660 Comment: They would have liked to see a quick demo of Gnus while it is fully configured and tweaked +18:22.798 My init file +19:34.080 Mail splitting +19:52.638 Gnus parameters +21:31.020 Custom signatures +22:05.020 Other customizations + +"""]]<div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-gnus-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 27:00 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-gnus">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (62MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (21MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-gnus--reading-and-writing-emails-in-gnu-emacs-with-gnus--amin-bandali--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (58MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/gnus-nav.md b/2025/info/gnus-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bc14240a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/gnus-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gmail">org-gmail: A deep integration of Gmail into your Org Mode</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/latex">LaTeX export in org-mode: the overhaul</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/graphics-after.md b/2025/info/graphics-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..526fa59d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/graphics-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="graphics-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""[ This video has no narration. ]""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""space box intro (elisp model matrix pipeline c dynamic module)""" start="00:00:05.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""space box intro (elisp model matrix pipeline c dynamic module)""" start="00:00:05.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""parallel (sdl/linux multicore pthreads)""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""parallel (sdl/linux multicore pthreads)""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""bad snake (oop eieio)""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""bad snake (oop eieio)""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""solar (ecs)""" start="00:03:30.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""solar (ecs)""" start="00:03:30.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""60 fps 1 (opengl cpu)""" start="00:04:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""60 fps 1 (opengl cpu)""" start="00:04:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""earth (grid ascii)""" start="00:05:36.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""earth (grid ascii)""" start="00:05:36.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""studio (image unicode)""" start="00:06:02.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""studio (image unicode)""" start="00:06:02.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""60 fps 2 (gpu)""" start="00:09:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""60 fps 2 (gpu)""" start="00:09:32.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""rgb triangle (glsl vertex/fragment shaders)""" start="00:11:57.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""rgb triangle (glsl vertex/fragment shaders)""" start="00:11:57.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""ansi cube (software functional shader)""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""ansi cube (software functional shader)""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""horizon (gradient)""" start="00:13:33.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""horizon (gradient)""" start="00:13:33.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""shell color table (zsh)""" start="00:15:16.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""shell color table (zsh)""" start="00:15:16.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""luki-lisp (macros)""" start="00:16:13.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""luki-lisp (macros)""" start="00:16:13.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""incal & rave dave outro (debug text triangles)""" start="00:18:25.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""incal & rave dave outro (debug text triangles)""" start="00:18:25.000" video="mainVideo-graphics" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [incal@dataswamp.org](mailto:incal@dataswamp.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20graphics%3A%20Modern%20Emacs%2FElisp%20hardware%2Fsoftware%20accelerated%20graphics) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/graphics-before.md b/2025/info/graphics-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..52befd06 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/graphics-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 23-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-graphics> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-graphics> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-graphics"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-graphics" data=""" +00:05.000 space box intro (elisp model matrix pipeline c dynamic module) +01:59.000 parallel (sdl/linux multicore pthreads) +02:04.000 bad snake (oop eieio) +03:30.000 solar (ecs) +04:32.000 60 fps 1 (opengl cpu) +05:36.000 earth (grid ascii) +06:02.000 studio (image unicode) +09:32.000 60 fps 2 (gpu) +11:57.000 rgb triangle (glsl vertex/fragment shaders) +13:09.000 ansi cube (software functional shader) +13:33.000 horizon (gradient) +15:16.000 shell color table (zsh) +16:13.000 luki-lisp (macros) +18:25.000 incal & rave dave outro (debug text triangles) + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 22:15 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-graphics">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.opus">Download --main.opus (18MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-graphics--modern-emacselisp-hardwaresoftware-accelerated-graphics--emanuel-berg--main.webm">Download --main.webm (56MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/RVoGcLNalJw">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/graphics-nav.md b/2025/info/graphics-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..51e5bd7b --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/graphics-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/commonlisp">Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks / open session</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/greader-after.md b/2025/info/greader-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ae172158 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/greader-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="greader-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.460" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Yuval Langer.""" start="00:00:01.460" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some may know me as cow_2001 on IRC.""" start="00:00:03.786" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to tell you about greader mode,""" start="00:00:09.480" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a versatile text-to-speech package""" start="00:00:12.120" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written by Michelangelo Rodriguez.""" start="00:00:14.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes you want to read a bunch""" start="00:00:18.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and cannot be bothered, right?""" start="00:00:20.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'd rather plop on your chair""" start="00:00:23.040" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let the words come to you.""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do it using greader Mode.""" start="00:00:27.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is greader mode?""" start="00:00:31.158" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What is greader mode?""" start="00:00:31.158" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Greader mode is a text-to-speech minor mode""" start="00:00:33.120" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with which you can read any buffer using the point.""" start="00:00:36.320" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You move your point""" start="00:00:40.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right before the text you want to read""" start="00:00:41.603" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run greader-read command.""" start="00:00:43.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can then use the left and right arrow keys""" start="00:00:47.640" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the previous sentence or the next sentence.""" start="00:00:50.840" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Installing Greader""" start="00:00:56.600" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Installing GReader:""" start="00:00:56.600" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Greader is available on the GNU Emacs app store""" start="00:00:59.144" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its copyright assigned to""" start="00:01:05.440" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Free Software Foundation.""" start="00:01:07.286" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To install Greader,""" start="00:01:10.960" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can run M-x list-packages RET.""" start="00:01:12.858" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look it up with C-s greader,""" start="00:01:19.280" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""press i to mark it for installation,""" start="00:01:23.100" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then press x to execute the installation.""" start="00:01:26.680" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Basic usage""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Basic usage:""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can now open a text file and start reading.""" start="00:01:33.212" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's open The Willows by Algernon Blackwood.""" start="00:01:37.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've never read the story,""" start="00:01:42.600" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but HP Lovecraft said it was the best horror story""" start="00:01:44.480" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""he had ever read, so it is in my reading list.""" start="00:01:48.280" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now load greader using M-x greader-mode.""" start="00:01:52.960" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To start reading, press C-r SPC.""" start="00:02:01.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Project Gutenberg ebook of The willows.""" start="00:02:08.140" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-read command.""" start="00:02:10.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To stop, press the SPC key.""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-stop command.""" start="00:02:16.800" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Navigation""" start="00:02:20.820" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Navigation:""" start="00:02:20.820" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can navigate like you normally do,""" start="00:02:22.360" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but using the left or right arrow keys""" start="00:02:24.680" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will move the point between sentences""" start="00:02:27.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of characters.""" start="00:02:30.200" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So... This ebook is...""" start="00:02:33.088" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You may copy it, give it away,""" start="00:02:36.640" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or reuse it if you are not.""" start="00:02:38.096" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's move to the start of the story.""" start="00:02:41.480" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""After leaving Vienna,""" start="00:02:57.040" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and long before you come to Budapest,""" start="00:02:58.089" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Danube enters a region""" start="00:02:59.840" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of singular loneliness and desolation,""" start="00:03:00.920" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where its waters spread away on all sides,""" start="00:03:02.920" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of a main channel,""" start="00:03:04.880" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the country becomes a swamp for miles upon miles,""" start="00:03:06.200" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""covered by a vast sea of low willow bushes."""" start="00:03:08.800" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading rate""" start="00:03:12.380" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Reading rate: this reading rate is rather slow.""" start="00:03:12.380" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's pick up the pace using the plus key.""" start="00:03:15.840" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-inc-rate command.""" start="00:03:19.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You must do that while greader is reading.""" start="00:03:23.520" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it is too fast.""" start="00:03:37.885" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can slow down using the - key.""" start="00:03:39.780" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will run the greader-dec-rate command.""" start="00:03:44.680" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""In high flood this great acreage""" start="00:03:54.560" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sand, shingle-beds, and willow-grown islands""" start="00:03:59.385" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is almost topped by the water,""" start="00:04:01.240" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in normal seasons the bushes""" start="00:04:02.440" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bend and rustle in the free winds,""" start="00:04:03.610" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""showing their silver leaves to the sunshine""" start="00:04:04.920" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an ever-moving plain of bewildering beauty."""" start="00:04:06.400" video="mainVideo-greader" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [yuval.langer@gmail.com](mailto:yuval.langer@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20greader%3A%20GNU%20Emacs%20Greader%20%28Gnam%C3%B9%20Reader%29%20mode%20is%20the%20best%20Emacs%20mode%20in%20existence) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/greader-before.md b/2025/info/greader-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a62a4f3c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/greader-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 5-min talk ; Q&A: IRC Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-greader> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-greader> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-greader"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 04:08 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-greader">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--main.opus">Download --main.opus (3.5MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--main.webm">Download --main.webm (10MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-greader--gnu-emacs-greader-gnam-reader-mode-is-the-best-emacs-mode-in-existence--yuval-langer--split.txt">Download --split.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/q1gmFAKYWBk">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/greader-nav.md b/2025/info/greader-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..90ccb361 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/greader-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/blee-lcnt">Blee-LCNT: An Emacs-centered content production and self-publication framework</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/open-mic">Open session</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/hyperboleqa-after.md b/2025/info/hyperboleqa-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c40d2adb --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/hyperboleqa-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,744 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="hyperboleqa-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""All right, you're good to go. Are people here?""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me read the first question to you since I'm here.""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question here is,""" start="00:00:15.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm excited to know opinion and current state""" start="00:00:17.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of using NCP and AI for PKMs and PIEs.""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since they do carry a lot of burden out of us, it means a lot of process.""" start="00:00:23.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does our pipeline stand with the coming days?""" start="00:00:28.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the question.""" start="00:00:33.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AI is obviously on everybody's mind.""" start="00:00:35.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We haven't done a lot of integration""" start="00:00:40.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with any of the popular AI engines,""" start="00:00:43.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think as you'll see through this Q&A session,""" start="00:00:47.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole's function is really to interlink""" start="00:00:50.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your information everywhere throughout Emacs.""" start="00:00:54.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so, whether you're using a chatbot""" start="00:00:57.960" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a specific buffer,""" start="00:01:02.280" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can use hyperbole implicit links, implicit buttons""" start="00:01:04.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to activate different actions there as well.""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So sometimes it takes a bit of customization,""" start="00:01:17.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a small amount of two to seven lines of code to do that.""" start="00:01:20.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As we get to working with more of these engines,""" start="00:01:26.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll build that into the core part of Hyperbole.""" start="00:01:30.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But right now, that's left as an extension""" start="00:01:34.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for users who are heavily using MCP""" start="00:01:40.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or other protocols right now.""" start="00:01:43.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have, for example, integrated""" start="00:01:45.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with LSPs, you know, for coding and have that interface through xref""" start="00:01:50.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and basically using the single key, the action key,""" start="00:01:57.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is made a return.""" start="00:02:01.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can jump around to any of your source definitions""" start="00:02:02.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from any reference in almost any language""" start="00:02:08.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that anybody uses today. 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start="00:07:56.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they're already there""" start="00:07:59.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""throughout your Emacs buffers.""" start="00:08:00.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I described the control HA, what that does.""" start="00:08:03.680" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's other types of buttons""" start="00:08:06.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we can get into as questions go on,""" start="00:08:09.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can create your own explicit buttons""" start="00:08:11.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that have a little slightly different delimiter than you see""" start="00:08:14.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Hyperbole does the right thing""" start="00:24:44.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in all these different contexts,""" start="00:24:46.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including following cross-references in code.""" start="00:24:48.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would say that's your answer.""" start="00:24:52.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most things that people are talking about,""" start="00:24:56.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we've already probably integrated with Hyperbole""" start="00:24:58.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or with a little bit of custom coding.""" start="00:25:02.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do it. 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A lot of people like that.""" start="00:27:04.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think you'll find in hyperbole texts,""" start="00:27:07.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they read just like regular language.""" start="00:27:10.760" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, the delimiters are fairly invisible.""" start="00:27:15.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm not sure what the issue is there.""" start="00:27:19.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, you can choose your own.""" start="00:27:23.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can make your own types with your own delimiters.""" start="00:27:24.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's even a custom macro""" start="00:27:27.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that instead of using that defib""" start="00:27:31.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you have to type out list code,""" start="00:27:33.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can use regular expressions.""" start="00:27:35.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in one line, you can define your own type of button""" start="00:27:37.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with its own delimiters.""" start="00:27:41.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, depending on what works well for your eyes,""" start="00:27:42.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can make Hyperbole adapt quite well to that.""" start="00:27:47.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, if you start using the HiWiki,""" start="00:27:51.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's literally zero markup on that.""" start="00:27:54.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you're just reading text,""" start="00:27:57.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when you want something hyperlinked,""" start="00:27:59.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's like a glossary or a dictionary entry.""" start="00:28:01.760" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just there, and it's just highlighted in the text.""" start="00:28:04.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't see much barrier to using it with many different types of documents.""" start="00:28:09.600" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go back to the Emacs here.""" start="00:28:17.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there are any other questions.""" start="00:28:23.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see. Let me go back to that. This K outline here.""" start="00:28:27.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we covered HiWiki.""" start="00:28:36.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're in the, I'll just show you some things""" start="00:28:38.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we wanted to highlight""" start="00:28:43.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if people didn't have specific questions.""" start="00:28:44.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But feel free to jump in anytime""" start="00:28:46.280" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to ask something.""" start="00:28:48.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what we're looking at here is a K Outliner document.""" start="00:28:51.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's, you know, hyperbole is pretty well documented.""" start="00:28:57.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a large manual. 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One to get you started.""" start="00:40:16.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice I'm using these implicit buttons, so keystrokes,""" start="00:40:21.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can just made a return on that.""" start="00:40:24.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that takes me to, here's all the videos.""" start="00:40:26.880" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can get started with that""" start="00:40:30.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just interact with this demo that we have.""" start="00:40:34.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's one for the K Outliner as well.""" start="00:40:38.280" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the things that If you're into videos""" start="00:40:41.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you need to link to them,""" start="00:40:45.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notice what you're seeing here. 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It's on my other screen.""" start="00:41:36.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, but it did, it did, uh, link to it.""" start="00:41:43.240" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, um, yeah, just, you know, tremendous capability""" start="00:41:48.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to interlink your information that way.""" start="00:41:53.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, uh, You know, again, you learn it bit by bit.""" start="00:41:56.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can study one particular section right here.""" start="00:42:00.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just jump directly to that if you want to know about it.""" start="00:42:04.280" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The manual is interlinked, has an extensive glossary,""" start="00:42:09.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cross-references of sections.""" start="00:42:13.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you go in there, this is the hyperlinked manual.""" start="00:42:16.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the structure of it""" start="00:42:23.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all the subsystems documented.""" start="00:42:25.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But one of the sections we've added""" start="00:42:27.800" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is developing with hyperbole.""" start="00:42:31.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you are or you want to create your own button types,""" start="00:42:33.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this explains how to do it.""" start="00:42:37.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Creating types, you can create your own action""" start="00:42:38.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and implicit button types.""" start="00:42:42.960" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you look in here, there are three ways""" start="00:42:45.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to create implicit button types from simpler to harder.""" start="00:42:48.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like, here's an example""" start="00:42:55.040" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the do pressing control X after this expression""" start="00:42:59.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defines a new action button link type called pilot.""" start="00:43:03.680" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's say, I don't know if I have this set up, but we can try it.""" start="00:43:07.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I don't have the variable setup,""" start="00:43:13.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically, you know, it can get you.""" start="00:43:22.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a one line definition of a new action type.""" start="00:43:25.760" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can get you to a Python file""" start="00:43:31.360" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on whatever your Python path is set to""" start="00:43:36.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this simple syntax right here.""" start="00:43:39.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we're going to the file.""" start="00:43:42.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have no idea where this is on the file system.""" start="00:43:45.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the same way like if you use man path, Python path,""" start="00:43:48.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can embed buttons. 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I have to get this straight.""" start="00:44:53.320" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's not letting me type the buttons.""" start="00:44:55.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if I can turn off the key casting.""" start="00:45:02.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, maybe that'll help. just gonna exit out of here.""" start="00:45:15.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does anybody have any questions they want to cover?""" start="00:45:23.520" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was just gonna show you yeah a little more on type definitions""" start="00:45:33.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if there was any interest OK, there's nobody piping up.""" start="00:45:39.080" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if there's any other questions.""" start="00:45:53.120" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bob. I haven't seen any more questions.""" start="00:45:57.000" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so maybe it's you, me, and someone called Max is here in the channel.""" start="00:46:04.440" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK. Okay, so if Max doesn't have any questions""" start="00:46:10.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there aren't other people, we can just end it there.""" start="00:46:19.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to have an audience of zero or talk to that.""" start="00:46:24.840" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, but I think that was a good overview, Max, right?""" start="00:46:34.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, definitely covered a lot in a short time.""" start="00:46:37.920" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And hopefully, you know, just try it out.""" start="00:46:45.480" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the top here, it shows you how to install it.""" start="00:46:48.640" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty simple, basic package and installation.""" start="00:46:52.400" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're happy to help anybody get started if they need to.""" start="00:46:56.560" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thanks, everyone.""" start="00:47:02.720" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll answer any further questions on the Etherpad after this.""" start="00:47:05.200" video="mainVideo-hyperboleqa" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/hyperboleqa-nav.md b/2025/info/hyperboleqa-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2e396846 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/hyperboleqa-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/zettelkasten">Zettelkasten for regular Emacs hackers</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/gardening">Gardening in Emacs: A Windows user's tale of tending, tweaking, and triumph</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/juicemacs-after.md b/2025/info/juicemacs-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ca649a57 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/juicemacs-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,422 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="juicemacs-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hello! This is Kana!""" start="00:00:01.200" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:02.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""<b>J</b>ust-<b>I</b>n-<b>T</b>ime compilation, or JIT,""" start="00:00:04.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:00:06.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on my work-in-progress Emacs clone, Juicemacs.""" start="00:00:07.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs aims to explore a few things""" start="00:00:11.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've been wondering about for a while.""" start="00:00:13.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For exmaple, what if we had better or even""" start="00:00:15.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transparent concurrency in ELisp?""" start="00:00:18.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or, can we have a concurrent GUI?""" start="00:00:21.323" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One that does not block, or is blocked by Lisp code?""" start="00:00:23.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally what can JIT compilation do for ELisp?""" start="00:00:26.883" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Will it provide better performance?""" start="00:00:31.068" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, a main problem with explorations""" start="00:00:34.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Emacs clones is that,""" start="00:00:37.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is a whole universe.""" start="00:00:38.723" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that means, to make these explorations""" start="00:00:40.963" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaningful for Emacs users,""" start="00:00:43.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to cover a lot of Emacs features,""" start="00:00:45.483" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before we can ever begin.""" start="00:00:47.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, one of the features of Emacs is that,""" start="00:00:50.643" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it supports a lot of encodings.""" start="00:00:54.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at this string: it can be encoded""" start="00:00:56.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in both Unicode and Shift-JIS, a Japanese encoding system.""" start="00:00:59.268" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a compiler framework called Truffle,""" start="00:02:25.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps in getting better performance;""" start="00:02:27.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by choosing a language with a good GC,""" start="00:02:30.603" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can actually focus more on the challenges above.""" start="00:02:32.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, Juicemacs has implemented three out of,""" start="00:02:38.163" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least four of the interpreters in Emacs.""" start="00:02:41.434" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One for lisp code, one for bytecode,""" start="00:02:44.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one for regular expressions,""" 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video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you probably know that Emacs has supported""" start="00:04:26.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""native-compilation, or nativecomp in short, for some time now.""" start="00:04:28.534" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It mainly uses GCC to compile Lisp code""" start="00:04:32.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into native code, ahead of time.""" start="00:04:35.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And during runtime, Emacs loads those compiled files,""" start="00:04:37.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gets the performance of native code.""" start="00:04:41.434" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, for example, for installed packages,""" start="00:04:44.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] 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video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, take luaJIT for an example,""" start="00:05:31.903" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in addition to this red line here,""" start="00:05:34.234" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which leads us from an interpreted state""" start="00:05:36.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a compiled native state,""" start="00:05:38.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is also what Emacs does,""" start="00:05:40.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LuaJIT also supports going from""" start="00:05:42.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a compiled state back to its interpreter.""" start="00:05:44.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this process is called "deoptimization".""" start="00:05:47.623" 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runtime deoptimizes the code, updates statistics,""" start="00:06:14.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then recompile the code based on new assumptions,""" start="00:06:18.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that will make the code more performant.""" start="00:06:21.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at an example.""" start="00:06:24.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, here is a really simple function,""" start="00:06:28.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that adds one to the input number.""" start="00:06:30.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in Emacs, it is not that simple,""" start="00:06:33.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Emacs has three categories of numbers,""" start="00:06:36.168" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is, fix numbers, or machine-word-sized integers,""" start="00:06:38.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""floating numbers, and big integers.""" start="00:06:42.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when we compile this, we need""" start="00:06:45.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to handle all three cases.""" start="00:06:47.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if we analyze the code produced by Emacs,""" start="00:06:49.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as is shown by this gray graph here,""" start="00:06:52.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can see that it has, two paths:""" start="00:06:54.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One fast path, that does fast fix number 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+[[!template text="""doing an extra function call, which is slow.""" start="00:07:21.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What speculation might help here is that,""" start="00:07:25.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can have flexible fast paths.""" start="00:07:28.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we pass a floating number into this function,""" start="00:07:31.543" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which currently has only fixnumbers on the fast path,""" start="00:07:34.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it also has to go through the slow path.""" start="00:07:37.401" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the difference is that, a speculative runtime can""" start="00:07:40.823" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deoptimize and recompile the code to 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The blue line here is for nativecomp,""" start="00:08:09.523" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these blue areas mean that nativecomp is slower.""" start="00:08:12.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, likewise, green areas mean that""" start="00:08:16.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs is slower.""" start="00:08:19.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At a glance, the two (or four)""" start="00:08:20.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually seems somehow on par, to me.""" start="00:08:22.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, let's take a closer look at some of them.""" start="00:08:25.243" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, the first few benchmarks are the classic,""" start="00:08:30.483" 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video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fibonacci series is a good benchmark.""" start="00:08:51.001" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And looking at the results here... wow.""" start="00:08:54.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs nativecomp executes instantaneously.""" start="00:08:57.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a total defeat for Juicemacs, seemingly.""" start="00:08:59.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, if you're into benchmarks, you know something is wrong here:""" start="00:09:04.623" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are comparing the different things.""" start="00:09:08.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's look under the hood""" start="00:09:11.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like removing or constant-folding them.""" start="00:09:48.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Juicemacs just does not do that.""" start="00:09:51.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, we are also concerned about""" start="00:09:54.503" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the things we mentioned earlier:""" start="00:09:57.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the performance of number additions,""" start="00:09:59.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or function calls.""" start="00:10:00.901" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, in order to let the benchmarks""" start="00:10:03.083" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show some extra things,""" start="00:10:05.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to modify it a bit...""" start="00:10:06.963" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by simply making things non-constant.""" start="00:10:08.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With that, Emacs gets much slower now.""" start="00:10:11.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, let's look what's""" start="00:10:15.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happening behind these numbers.""" start="00:10:17.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Similarly, with the <i>disassemble</i> command,""" start="00:10:21.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can look into the assembly.""" start="00:10:23.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, we can already see""" start="00:10:25.743" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] 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+[[!template text="""It's because SBCL also emits call instructions""" start="00:11:11.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when it comes to no type info.""" start="00:11:15.501" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, once we declare the types,""" start="00:11:18.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SBCL is able to compile a fast path for fix numbers,""" start="00:11:21.701" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes its performance on par""" start="00:11:25.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with speculative JIT engines (that is, Juicemacs),""" start="00:11:27.468" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because, now both of us are now on fast paths.""" start="00:11:30.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Additionally, if we are bold enough""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the simplicity of this not only saves us work,""" start="00:16:14.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also enables Juicemacs to explore more things more rapidly.""" start="00:16:17.134" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And actually, I have done some silly explorations.""" start="00:16:22.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I tried to constant-fold more things.""" start="00:16:26.583" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many of us have an Emacs config that stays""" start="00:16:30.303" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""largely unchanged, at least during one Emacs session.""" start="00:16:32.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that means many of the global variables""" start="00:16:36.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in ELisp are constant.""" start="00:16:39.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with speculation, we can""" start="00:16:42.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speculate about the stable ones,""" start="00:16:44.601" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try to inline them as constants.""" start="00:16:46.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this might improve performance,""" start="00:16:49.663" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe not?""" start="00:16:51.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because, we will need a full editor""" start="00:16:53.183" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get real world data.""" start="00:16:55.368" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also tried changing cons lists to be backed""" start="00:16:58.223" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by some arrays, because, maybe arrays are faster, I guess?""" start="00:17:01.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the end, <i>setcdr</i> requires some kind of indirection,""" start="00:17:05.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that actually makes the performance worse.""" start="00:17:09.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for regular expressions,""" start="00:17:12.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also tried borrowing techniques from PCRE JIT,""" start="00:17:14.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is quite fast in itself, but it is""" start="00:17:18.023" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunately unsupported by Java Truffle runtime.""" start="00:17:20.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, looking at these, well,""" start="00:17:24.263" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""explorations can fail, certainly.""" start="00:17:27.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, with Truffle and Java, these,""" start="00:17:30.343" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for now, are not that hard to implement,""" start="00:17:32.801" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also very often, they teach us something""" start="00:17:34.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in return, whether or not they fail.""" start="00:17:37.668" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, let's talk about some explorations""" start="00:17:42.463" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we might get into in the future.""" start="00:17:45.334" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the JIT engine, for example,""" start="00:17:47.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently I'm looking into the implementation of""" start="00:17:49.783" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nativecomp to maybe reuse some of its optimizations.""" start="00:17:52.634" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the GUI, I'm very very slowly working on one.""" start="00:17:56.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it ever completes, I have one thing""" start="00:18:01.423" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really looking forward to implementing.""" start="00:18:03.734" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, inlining widgets, or even""" start="00:18:06.703" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other buffers, directly into a buffer.""" start="00:18:08.901" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, it's because, people sometimes complain""" start="00:18:11.863" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Emacs's GUI capabilities,""" start="00:18:13.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I personally think that supporting inlining,""" start="00:18:16.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a whole buffer inside another buffer as a rectangle,""" start="00:18:19.768" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could get us very far in layout abilities.""" start="00:18:23.143" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this approach should also""" start="00:18:26.983" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be compatible with terminals.""" start="00:18:28.568" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really want to see how this idea""" start="00:18:30.943" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plays out with Juicemacs.""" start="00:18:32.934" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, there's Lisp concurrency.""" start="00:18:36.103" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And currently i'm thinking of a JavaScript-like,""" start="00:18:39.063" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transparent, single-thread model, using Java's virtual threads.""" start="00:18:42.168" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, if you are interested in JIT compilation,""" start="00:18:46.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truffle, or anything above,""" start="00:18:49.968" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe you have your own ideas,""" start="00:18:51.763" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are very welcome to reach out!""" start="00:18:53.868" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juicemacs does need to implement many more built-in functions,""" start="00:18:56.383" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and any help would be very appreciated.""" start="00:19:00.034" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I promise, it can be a very fun playground""" start="00:19:03.163" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to learn about Emacs and do crazy things.""" start="00:19:05.801" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you!""" start="00:19:08.443" video="mainVideo-juicemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/latex-after.md b/2025/info/latex-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..89903ea1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/latex-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,493 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="latex-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.140" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay. Good afternoon, morning or evening,""" start="00:00:00.140" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever it is in your time zone.""" start="00:00:04.457" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Pedro Aranda and I'm going to be talking about""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've been doing""" start="00:00:10.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the latest backend in Org Mode""" start="00:00:12.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the different... Sorry... and the way it treats fonts.""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just a couple of words before""" start="00:00:24.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am going to go through motivation,""" start="00:00:28.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the evolution and get you an idea of what you can get""" start="00:00:30.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the feature branch that I have started""" start="00:00:35.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and give a couple of demos.""" start="00:00:38.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Motivation""" start="00:00:41.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Actually, my motivation is I was using ox-latex currently""" start="00:00:41.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and ox-beamer for as a foundation for my activities,""" start="00:00:47.780" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly for lecture notes and lecture slides""" start="00:00:51.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I came from pure LaTeX and beamers""" start="00:00:54.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for me the real cool use case,""" start="00:01:01.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or I would say this was""" start="00:01:04.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the killer use case for me was""" start="00:01:05.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a programming lecture,""" start="00:01:07.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is sort of a Python 101,""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when I'm live in the lecture,""" start="00:01:12.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go, and if the pupils ask me, I can modify code,""" start="00:01:14.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show modified code and results on the fly,""" start="00:01:18.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's something that really impresses the kids""" start="00:01:21.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and makes them understand what we are talking about.""" start="00:01:25.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From my pro... subjective point of view, in some,""" start="00:01:30.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly in ox-beamer, some of the things that I was missing""" start="00:01:34.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that emojis would really break the monotony""" start="00:01:38.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I missed the support for emojis and stock Beamer themes.""" start="00:01:41.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And some fonts I also found were suboptimal""" start="00:01:47.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or difficult to adapt in case they need an adaptation.""" start="00:01:52.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, people who need special fonts""" start="00:01:56.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of their special capabilities,""" start="00:02:01.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's difficult to get those fonts from the stock themes""" start="00:02:05.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from the stock font implementations you have there.""" start="00:02:11.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, requirements from the Emacs side to do this is none,""" start="00:02:17.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because basically, okay, the only thing I want""" start="00:02:21.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to work on a vanilla Emacs,""" start="00:02:25.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is more or less recent,""" start="00:02:27.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because yes, I'm a bit of a freak""" start="00:02:28.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I compile it every two, three...""" start="00:02:30.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get it from master and compile it every two, three days.""" start="00:02:32.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yahoo, I had to change to a new Mac,""" start="00:02:36.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm able now to get my vanilla Emacs within four.""" start="00:02:40.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that was a big accomplishment in these last days.""" start="00:02:47.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Evolution""" start="00:02:53.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What is the evolution?""" start="00:02:53.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean my personal evolution and my take of ox-latex""" start="00:02:55.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was I put everything in a in a LaTeX file""" start="00:03:00.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I input it through the LaTeX header, and that's it.""" start="00:03:05.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that was not very beginner-friendly,""" start="00:03:09.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and once I had some people interested in this,""" start="00:03:12.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""oh wow, I can modify the code on the fly""" start="00:03:15.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see the results on the fly,"""" start="00:03:19.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was more difficult for them to give it a go.""" start="00:03:21.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I just... Because they,""" start="00:03:26.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are people who have not that big,""" start="00:03:32.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that much experience with LaTeX""" start="00:03:36.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it can even be a bridge to introduce people into LaTeX.""" start="00:03:41.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, in any case, it was not very beginner-friendly""" start="00:03:44.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I had complaints on that.""" start="00:03:48.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, what I think was, we can do better.""" start="00:03:52.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My first attempt was something that was completely neutral""" start="00:03:57.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Babel or Polyglossia.""" start="00:04:00.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it was made basically for font LaTeX""" start="00:04:02.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although some of the things can... for lualatex""" start="00:04:06.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some of the things can also be used with xelatex.""" start="00:04:08.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So overriding template fonts""" start="00:04:14.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and taking into account fallback fonts""" start="00:04:16.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was something that I learned""" start="00:04:21.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we started this conversation,""" start="00:04:23.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the only problem with this""" start="00:04:27.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that fallback fonts only work for lualatex""" start="00:04:29.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because xelatex doesn't support them.""" start="00:04:34.408" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, fallback fonts is a lua feature.""" start="00:04:36.308" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There was already something in the list""" start="00:04:40.541" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regarding script detection which helped me a lot.""" start="00:04:45.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So big recognition to Juan M. Macias for that,""" start="00:04:48.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for his publishing the algorithm or the script""" start="00:04:52.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the org mode mailing list.""" start="00:04:57.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then came my sort of little nightmare,""" start="00:05:04.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was when we started talking""" start="00:05:11.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about internationalization or localization.""" start="00:05:14.175" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looking back, I have a very strange feeling""" start="00:05:19.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about a blurring target there.""" start="00:05:21.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the reality, being 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start="00:06:18.580" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't need it if you're happy with the fonts you get""" start="00:06:28.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the templates that you use both for Beamer""" start="00:06:33.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the document classes in LaTeX.""" start="00:06:38.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't want to use alternative fonts,""" start="00:06:40.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't need it, but you would need it.""" start="00:06:43.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, if you don't want things like,""" start="00:06:48.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, emojis or need emojis,""" start="00:06:50.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you really don't 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+[[!template text="""Then specify the LaTeX compiler.""" start="00:07:27.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then what I've added is a keyword""" start="00:07:30.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is `#+LATEX_MULTI_LANG:`""" start="00:07:32.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can be fontspec or babel or polyglossia""" start="00:07:34.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for localized documents.""" start="00:07:37.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, this thing is nil and when it is nil,""" start="00:07:40.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you get the behavior from Org Mode""" start="00:07:45.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you already are used to if you don't want to switch.""" start="00:07:51.720" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jing Huang was there and I was really,""" start="00:07:56.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was chirped into the conversation""" start="00:08:00.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and really helpful and a big thanks to him""" start="00:08:03.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because he also had an easy idea""" start="00:08:06.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to support Chinese and Japanese documents,""" start="00:08:10.975" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the only thing that you need is to add the language""" start="00:08:13.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're going to write your document in.""" start="00:08:17.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very, very big thank you for that,""" start="00:08:21.860" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that was really a challenge""" start="00:08:23.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not being able to decipher""" start="00:08:25.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I was what I was coding there""" start="00:08:29.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of: I have a document,""" start="00:08:32.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I copy and paste it from some place,""" start="00:08:34.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from there, I get my answer, I get my PDF,""" start="00:08:37.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I compare whether it is correct or not.""" start="00:08:40.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Behind the scenes: .dir-locals.el""" start="00:08:47.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is behind the scenes?""" start="00:08:47.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've always suggested that in order""" start="00:08:50.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use the feature branch efficiently,""" start="00:08:52.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you create a file with the default values""" start="00:08:55.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need for your variables,""" start="00:08:59.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's this famous .dir-locals.el files.""" start="00:09:02.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I do is, I have a generic one""" start="00:09:06.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my home documents directory,""" start="00:09:10.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is used for all the org documents""" start="00:09:12.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are in subdirectories from there.""" start="00:09:16.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? Because normally you will not be""" start="00:09:20.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changing your fonts that often,""" start="00:09:24.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if you need, you can always go""" start="00:09:26.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have your configuration locally.""" start="00:09:29.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's this point where I'm collecting""" start="00:09:33.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my font configuration and""" start="00:09:38.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me, this gives me a very, very nice quick start""" start="00:09:40.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for new documents and presentations.""" start="00:09:47.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you can even 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the serif font, for sans,""" start="00:10:48.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the sans serif font, for maths,""" start="00:10:51.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for the mono, with some features like to make them scale.""" start="00:10:54.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something that is provided by you""" start="00:10:58.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the fontspec package,""" start="00:11:03.740" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're happy with it, and you work with it,""" start="00:11:05.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in a given moment,""" start="00:11:08.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you go and you have your own problems""" start="00:11:11.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or your own challenge,""" start="00:11:14.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you need to have, for example, emojis for one of the fonts,""" start="00:11:15.780" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what you do is, in this case, you just add the emojis""" start="00:11:20.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a fallback font in the font that where you want to replace this.""" start="00:11:24.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what I'm doing right now for this presentation, and you will see...""" start="00:11:31.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can always, as I've said,""" start="00:11:37.340" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can always have your dir-locals,""" start="00:11:39.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can 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start="00:12:09.380" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and babel coming to your help.""" start="00:12:15.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This may also be the case""" start="00:12:19.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you are working in an intended language,""" start="00:12:21.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know which, but an intended language, and you found,""" start="00:12:25.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you wanted to see how that was configured,""" start="00:12:28.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you found the latest example""" start="00:12:31.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that used Babel or Polyglossia.""" start="00:12:35.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The exporter provides you variables""" start="00:12:38.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to configure both fontspec, Polyglossia and Babel.""" start="00:12:42.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just as an example of how I picture this is,""" start="00:12:48.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, you find it in the Internet,""" start="00:12:56.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like that, uh, something like this,""" start="00:12:59.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you have your document and you need Thai.""" start="00:13:01.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, and I found an example in the internet""" start="00:13:05.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that tells me that I'm going to be using Babel.""" start="00:13:10.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Main 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You have the language""" start="00:14:05.108" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're intending this font for is Thai.""" start="00:14:07.775" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this appears here. In case you don't have any language,""" start="00:14:10.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in the first two lines,""" start="00:14:16.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just say that the language is nil,""" start="00:14:19.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the language for the default language.""" start="00:14:21.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other thing is in my example,""" start="00:14:23.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this example that I found in the Internet,""" start="00:14:26.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have my properties for the fonts in this part in LaTeX,""" start="00:14:29.375" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I put them as properties here.""" start="00:14:40.175" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the whole idea behind the feature branch.""" start="00:14:43.908" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The babelprovide part is generated or is also integrated""" start="00:14:53.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the Org header, mainly from the language line.""" start="00:15:01.641" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a variable in case you need to tweak it,""" start="00:15:11.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but normally the defaults provided by Org are good enough.""" start="00:15:14.640" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Rationale behind my take at LaTeX font management""" start="00:15:21.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is the rationale behind my take at LaTeX font management?""" start="00:15:21.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that might be something very personal.""" start="00:15:27.680" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When am I using fontspec?""" start="00:15:31.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using fontspec when I'm with Lua- or xelatex,""" start="00:15:33.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want fonts that are different""" start="00:15:37.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from those specified in the LaTeX class.""" start="00:15:40.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's point number one. 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I have two.""" start="00:15:54.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only limitation I have here is the following:""" start="00:15:59.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all languages must be left to right.""" start="00:16:05.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you don't say anything at all,""" start="00:16:09.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the LaTeX backend assumes that you want the dates,""" start="00:16:12.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""standard names for the abstract and so on""" start="00:16:16.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in American English, if you're using them.""" start="00:16:18.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In many cases, you're not using any sort of""" start="00:16:21.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""abstract, table of contents, and so on,""" start="00:16:24.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you don't need that.""" start="00:16:26.275" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The important thing is maybe date management.""" start="00:16:27.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need dates, headings""" start="00:16:34.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything in any other language or locale,""" start="00:16:36.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then yes, then you need to use Babel or Polyglossia.""" start="00:16:40.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Choice, Depends. 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No. For the demo,""" start="00:22:19.440" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the presentations I use for Emacs conferences,""" start="00:22:24.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have it, and it's something like this.""" start="00:22:28.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, you don't need a fallback""" start="00:22:33.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the main font here""" start="00:22:37.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the presentations are done with the sans font,""" start="00:22:40.108" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the only thing that I would really need""" start="00:22:44.608" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be something like this.""" start="00:22:46.560" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can be commented, and the same happens here""" start="00:22:48.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the mono. 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You get this.""" start="00:26:38.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you see different fonts.""" start="00:26:41.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which fonts am I using for this?""" start="00:26:46.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using for the main font for me is FreeSerif.""" start="00:26:48.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This listing is produced with DejaVu Sans Mono.""" start="00:26:53.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And using Polyglossia here, I'm able to go and define""" start="00:27:01.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Greek polyton for the variant,""" start="00:27:12.900" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the serif variant with the Noto Serif font,""" start="00:27:15.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to differentiate it from the German text.""" start="00:27:18.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And nice thing is that both in the German text""" start="00:27:26.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you see for example here, and with the Greek text,""" start="00:27:30.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything is scaled to match""" start="00:27:37.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the lower case of the main font, which is FreeSerif.""" start="00:27:40.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that everything looks""" start="00:27:44.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extremely uniform and nice to read.""" start="00:27:45.880" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what you want to do.""" start="00:27:49.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what you can do with this.""" start="00:27:53.760" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just a couple of final words on this.""" start="00:27:56.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thanks""" start="00:28:12.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I want to thank once again Juan Manuel Macias and Jing Huang""" start="00:28:12.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for what they have shared.""" start="00:28:16.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also want to thank everybody""" start="00:28:19.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for productive contributions to the discussion.""" start="00:28:24.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm saying this because I think I need a longer rest""" start="00:28:26.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to be leaving""" start="00:28:32.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the feature font untouched for a couple of months""" start="00:28:37.040" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that people can take... the feature branch""" start="00:28:39.608" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""untouched for a couple of months""" start="00:28:42.221" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see if people want to use it, and how they want to use it,""" start="00:28:43.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe in the future, we can discuss""" start="00:28:47.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we want to integrate it or not,""" start="00:28:49.920" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if people need it and all that. 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I think that goes beyond fonts right.""" start="00:29:39.241" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: What about video (mp4) support for ox-latex?""" start="00:29:47.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Someone is asking what about how is about video""" start="00:29:47.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly MP4 support on ox-latex.""" start="00:29:52.840" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""I started the presentations with many videos.""" start="00:29:56.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something that really pushed me back using ox-latex."""" start="00:29:58.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I would say to this is, I mean this goes beyond""" start="00:30:14.740" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we're discussing here with fonts.""" start="00:30:18.800" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would advise you to go and get the same""" start="00:30:24.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or have the same thing that I did,""" start="00:30:29.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was, first of all, try to write it in LaTeX,""" start="00:30:35.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then, once you have the minimal working examples,""" start="00:30:42.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get the LaTeX parts""" start="00:30:49.600" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrated into your own presentation.""" start="00:30:53.160" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what I've been doing.""" start="00:31:00.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, I still do it, for example, not in this,""" start="00:31:01.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for my lectures,""" start="00:31:04.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a lot of... I'm using a lot of ticks""" start="00:31:06.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do graphs and animated graphs.""" start="00:31:09.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's `#+begin_export latex` `#+end_export` LaTeX.""" start="00:31:12.480" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what I'm doing.""" start="00:31:18.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Ihor]: Videos are generally a bit tricky because you cannot...""" start="00:31:24.280" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not every viewer will play them.""" start="00:31:27.275" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I think there is something called pdfpc that can,""" start="00:31:31.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this provides a LaTeX package""" start="00:31:35.120" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can include videos,""" start="00:31:37.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they can be played through that specific program.""" start="00:31:39.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And JavaScript embedding,""" start="00:31:44.400" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can only be done through Acrobat Reader,""" start="00:31:46.240" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like also finicky. Sure, yes.""" start="00:31:50.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Pedro]: As you said, there are many things that need to be changed.""" start="00:31:54.520" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I mean it's always a thing of taking it""" start="00:32:04.000" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and trying to see what you can do""" start="00:32:07.200" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what the specifics are.""" start="00:32:11.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe this can be done with Acrobat""" start="00:32:13.320" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with a couple of extra packages and who knows.""" start="00:32:17.080" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can always keep it as as LaTeX""" start="00:32:23.960" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as fragments inside Org, I think. Any other questions?""" start="00:32:26.360" video="mainVideo-latex" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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Let's dive right into it.""" start="00:01:41.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Copilot""" start="00:01:44.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We're going to start by showing you""" start="00:01:44.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some things that are pretty well integrated,""" start="00:01:48.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that look a lot like what you see in Emacs""" start="00:01:51.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fit in with the kinds of editing""" start="00:01:55.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you normally do in Emacs.""" start="00:01:58.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is just kind of like, it's well integrated.""" start="00:02:02.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to talk about Copilot and Semext.""" start="00:02:06.580" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Copilot is by Microsoft via GitHub,""" start="00:02:08.780" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Semext is just my personal demo,""" start="00:02:12.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they're both showing you, you know,""" start="00:02:14.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this kind of thing. 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It's reasonable for a start though.""" start="00:12:36.140" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you could ask it to do anything.""" start="00:12:39.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could say, write unit tests for this, and it will.""" start="00:12:40.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could say, write me a suite of functions""" start="00:12:45.340" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Fibonacci, and it'll probably do something reasonable.""" start="00:12:49.020" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you can see this is not editing.""" start="00:12:52.580" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's nothing editing-like about this.""" start="00:12:54.901" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That said, there is something that is editing.""" start="00:12:58.660" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need to give it instructions.""" start="00:13:07.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need to tell it what to do.""" start="00:13:08.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org files""" start="00:13:10.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And what you could do is... You could have a project.org,""" start="00:13:10.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what you could do is you could have functions.""" start="00:13:19.620" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The way I've done things often is ....""" start="00:13:23.900" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could say something like,""" start="00:13:26.660" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unit tests for Fibonacci. How do you spell Fibonacci?""" start="00:13:28.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember. 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Tests should, like, whatever.""" start="00:14:01.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should just say... everything""" start="00:14:07.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to kind of specify.""" start="00:14:08.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you get to more complicated tasks,""" start="00:14:11.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's harder and harder to give it all the context""" start="00:14:13.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it needs for a task,""" start="00:14:16.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Org Mode is actually a pretty good way to do this.""" start="00:14:17.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find that this works pretty well,""" start="00:14:22.300" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can even have it instruct Claude""" start="00:14:24.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just mark things done in your Org file""" start="00:14:26.700" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when they're done.""" start="00:14:29.334" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it knows how to do this, of course.""" start="00:14:30.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, let's just clock out.""" start="00:14:32.868" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one way to do things.""" start="00:14:37.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""ECA""" start="00:14:45.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So one other thing I'd like to show you is eca,""" start="00:14:45.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, compared to Claude Code, ECA is open source.""" start="00:14:49.500" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very nice in that respect.""" start="00:14:52.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't have to use Anthropic's models.""" start="00:14:54.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use local models,""" start="00:14:57.840" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it has the advantage of integrating very well with Emacs.""" start="00:15:00.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to demonstrate it,""" start="00:15:07.620" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it works essentially the same thing you could do""" start="00:15:08.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""approximately the same kinds of things""" start="00:15:11.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could do with Claude Code.""" start="00:15:14.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just write what you want to happen""" start="00:15:15.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will make it happen.""" start="00:15:17.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It again does not do this through Emacs,""" start="00:15:18.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but what it does do is""" start="00:15:21.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it gives you a much better Emacs interface""" start="00:15:23.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's not terminal-based,""" start="00:15:25.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you're not using it through the terminal,""" start="00:15:26.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or not even through comint,""" start="00:15:29.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are using it through a backend""" start="00:15:31.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is exchanging structured information""" start="00:15:35.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this process that is doing all the work.""" start="00:15:37.500" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But other than that,""" start="00:15:41.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's the same model as Claude Code""" start="00:15:41.901" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and projects of that nature.""" start="00:15:44.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Editing""" start="00:15:52.060" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We've seen in the demos that I gave""" start="00:15:52.060" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there are AI 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And that's fine.""" start="00:16:39.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's still... It may not be editing,""" start="00:16:45.900" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's still clearly something that""" start="00:16:48.400" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is useful to do in Emacs""" start="00:16:52.034" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and belongs in Emacs.""" start="00:16:55.568" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the new tools like Claude Code and things like that""" start="00:16:57.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are kind of different.""" start="00:17:01.860" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, they will get better integrated with Emacs,""" start="00:17:02.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's not clear that they really need to.""" start="00:17:06.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can do a lot of things without editing.""" start="00:17:11.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a sense, editing is obsolete in some sense.""" start="00:17:15.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For as many tasks, you don't need to edit anymore.""" start="00:17:19.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a nice thing.""" start="00:17:23.460" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No one really knows when all this will end,""" start="00:17:26.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how far things will go. 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Thank you, Colin. Yeah.""" start="00:09:09.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. 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Yeah, yeah, thanks.""" start="00:11:25.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope that idea makes sense. 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And what are your thoughts?""" start="00:12:25.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually have tried Agent Shell.""" start="00:12:28.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And currently, I recorded this video like three months ago.""" start="00:12:30.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Agent Shell did not exist then.""" start="00:12:34.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If Agent Shell did exist,""" start="00:12:38.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I probably would have demoed it as well.""" start="00:12:39.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Agent Hell is great in the sense of it's""" start="00:12:41.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does use comment, which is the way that I think all Emacs users""" start="00:12:45.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would prefer to interact with something like Claude Code,""" start="00:12:53.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any of those types of tools, which is like, I don't.""" start="00:12:57.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, the other,""" start="00:13:00.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's a trade-off it uses like on the back""" start="00:13:02.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's, it has a common buffer.""" start="00:13:05.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then on the back end, it's using a protocol""" start="00:13:06.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to talk to agent, uh, to Claude Code and other things.""" start="00:13:08.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The problem is this has a lot of problems.""" start="00:13:11.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, like you don't have""" start="00:13:15.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completion of slash commands.""" start="00:13:16.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have, um, if you ask to see the, in Claude Code,""" start="00:13:18.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get a visual representation of. the context window.""" start="00:13:22.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you can't do this. 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Because often, I do not remember.""" start="00:18:46.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I never remember, like, how do you find a file in a directory tree,""" start="00:18:51.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, recursing? Who can remember how to do that?""" start="00:18:56.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like a find, and there's like a dash print there somewhere.""" start="00:19:00.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. 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And it will help you.""" start="00:19:24.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you don't want it,""" start="00:19:26.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not going to get in your way.""" start="00:19:27.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think this is where eMath can really shine.""" start="00:19:28.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can really take advantage of LLMs,""" start="00:19:30.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but still remain true to its kind of editing experience,""" start="00:19:33.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's not forcing you to use LLMs all the time.""" start="00:19:35.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you for that great question.""" start="00:19:39.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the final question. Yep.""" start="00:19:43.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This final question is, why does it matter to have a richer UI?""" start="00:19:47.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All this left is basically running and getting the results.""" start="00:19:50.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think maybe this is a response to me complaining""" start="00:19:53.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Emacs not having a richer UI before,""" start="00:19:56.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think it does matter a lot for all sorts of things.""" start="00:19:58.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard to kind of explain succinctly""" start="00:20:03.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm talking about UI""" start="00:20:07.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd have to show you things.""" start="00:20:08.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it should be just something like oh I have an error""" start="00:20:09.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm using flymake and I'm,""" start="00:20:14.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using the you know I have options""" start="00:20:15.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where it'll show me the error in line""" start="00:20:17.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by like underlining things and having a little message,""" start="00:20:19.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but like, you know what that message""" start="00:20:22.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't appear quite right, a lot of the times,""" start="00:20:24.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or here's another one like. I program in Python a lot.""" start="00:20:26.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Python, it's super hard to program in""" start="00:20:30.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unless you have these little vertical lines""" start="00:20:33.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that shows you what the indents are. 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So it doesn't look quite clean.""" start="00:20:52.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And like, there's little artifacts,""" start="00:20:57.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or, you know, there's little ways that it,""" start="00:20:59.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it kind of gets things wrong,""" start="00:21:01.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can, you can get things wrong with it.""" start="00:21:02.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think that, like,""" start="00:21:06.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a lot of issues with that sort of thing.""" start="00:21:10.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, and also, like, you know,""" start="00:21:11.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what if you want to do something like play a video inline,""" start="00:21:15.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, I don't know, you might should be able to do that,""" start="00:21:17.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might should be able to do anything.""" start="00:21:19.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But right now it just can't and I think""" start="00:21:20.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of the reason as well""" start="00:21:23.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we you know we wanted to be compatible""" start="00:21:25.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with you know TRS 80 machines or something like that""" start="00:21:26.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's this is important this really is important,""" start="00:21:29.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I hope there's some way""" start="00:21:33.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we can kind of eventually figure out""" start="00:21:34.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to get the best of you know both compatibility and.""" start="00:21:36.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more modern UIs. 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We care about Emacs.""" start="00:22:25.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're pushing Emacs forward.""" start="00:22:29.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are I think Emacs remains""" start="00:22:31.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this really remarkable achievement.""" start="00:22:35.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like it's amazing that it exists. It continues to exist.""" start="00:22:37.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It hasn't got, it's hard.""" start="00:22:41.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, really, there's a lot of work to go into it.""" start="00:22:43.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think let's all just appreciate everyone who,""" start="00:22:45.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who like contributes and makes all of this possible.""" start="00:22:47.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cause it's, if you ever read""" start="00:22:50.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Develop mailing list,""" start="00:22:52.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a lot of work, a lot of deep thinking,""" start="00:22:53.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of careful thinking.""" start="00:22:55.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think this is really important.""" start="00:22:56.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you, especially to the maintainers of Emacs""" start="00:22:58.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everyone who's contributing to the core experience,""" start="00:23:02.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the libraries, all the LLM stuff we mentioned before.""" start="00:23:04.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're all doing such a fantastic job.""" start="00:23:07.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's exciting to be here. Thank you for your talk, Andrew.""" start="00:23:09.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been just fascinating.""" start="00:23:13.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't mind, I'd love to jump""" start="00:23:16.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right over to the last question. 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And, and I think that it's those,""" start="00:25:06.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those years of experience will only help you.""" start="00:25:13.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think it's, it's, it's a great,""" start="00:25:14.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's great to kind of dip your toes in the water""" start="00:25:16.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see what you can do.""" start="00:25:19.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ahyatt@gmail.com](mailto:ahyatt@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20llm%3A%20Emacs%2C%20editors%2C%20and%20LLM%20driven%20workflows) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/llm-before.md b/2025/info/llm-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..23cd880a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/llm-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 21-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-llm> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-llm> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-llm"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-llm--emacs-editors-and-llm-driven-workflows--andrew-hyatt--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-llm--emacs-editors-and-llm-driven-workflows--andrew-hyatt--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/llm-nav.md b/2025/info/llm-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ef42733a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/llm-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/python">Interactive Python programming in Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/private-ai">Emacs and private AI: a great match</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/modern-after.md b/2025/info/modern-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4518aec2 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/modern-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,251 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="modern-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""""" start="00:00:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi! My name is Eduardo Ochs. I'm the""" start="00:00:55.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""author of an Emacs package called eev and""" start="00:00:57.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the title of this video is""" start="00:01:00.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Some problems of modernizing Emacs".""" start="00:01:03.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is a summary of the main themes""" start="00:01:05.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this video. I'm going to talk mainly""" start="00:01:08.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these four things here. The first""" start="00:01:10.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one is that Emacs has changed a lot in its""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recent versions, and now it has lots of""" start="00:01:15.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""types... so if we want to look under the""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hood and to understand what Emacs""" start="00:01:21.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really does we are going to stumble on""" start="00:01:24.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lots of types... and the""" start="00:01:27.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""current tree of classes and types""" start="00:01:30.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looks like this... that is,""" start="00:01:34.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is quite big.""" start="00:01:37.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second theme is that people used""" start="00:01:46.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to say things like "Anyone can learn Lisp""" start="00:01:49.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one day"... 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This is a""" start="00:02:01.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very short summary... details soon.""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will also show how to display""" start="00:02:08.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""better "inner views" of Emacs objects...""" start="00:02:10.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to Define what is an inner view,""" start="00:02:13.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course.""" start="00:02:16.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main trick is that we are going""" start="00:02:18.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use one of the ways of displaying""" start="00:02:20.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internal objects, that is the `cl-print'""" start="00:02:24.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""family of functions, for example,""" start="00:02:29.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`cl-prin1-to-string', and here are some""" start="00:02:32.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""examples of the kind of output that we""" start="00:02:35.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are going to see...""" start="00:02:37.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, if we run these two lines""" start="00:02:38.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here the first line defines a function `foo'""" start="00:02:44.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the second line sets `o' to the""" start="00:02:47.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internal view of the definition of `foo'.""" start="00:02:52.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In older Emacses `o' would be just a""" start="00:02:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""list that looks... that would look very""" start="00:02:59.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to this line here... but in newer""" start="00:03:02.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacses the result of this - 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video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of mind-blown.""" start="00:11:44.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Note that I said "black box" here.""" start="00:11:46.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me explain the term.""" start="00:11:48.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can open what's inside of `foo'...""" start="00:11:52.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can open `foo' to see the contents of""" start="00:11:57.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the symbol `foo', and we can try to see""" start="00:11:59.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's in the function cell of the""" start="00:12:02.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""symbol `foo'...""" start="00:12:06.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""_I_ was overwhelmed -""" start="00:12:33.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in this video I'm going to pretend""" start="00:12:38.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I was not the only person""" start="00:12:40.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was overwhelmed""" start="00:12:44.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by these new structures""" start="00:12:46.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are not so elegant""" start="00:12:50.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the ones that we had before.""" start="00:12:52.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway...""" start="00:12:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""""" start="00:12:56.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or 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Yeah.""" start="00:00:51.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I, I, I've seen your interactive SVGs,""" start="00:00:54.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just wizardry. I have no idea how you do that.""" start="00:00:58.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can hover over different elements in the SVG""" start="00:01:02.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do interesting things.""" start="00:01:06.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so it turns out if you just think of them as XML,""" start="00:01:08.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which Emacs will let you""" start="00:01:11.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you can just control C, control C,""" start="00:01:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll switch back to text mode, right?""" start="00:01:15.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can be like, oh, yeah, I can work with this""" start="00:01:16.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the DOM Emacs list library.""" start="00:01:20.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you can add title elements to it to get the hovers,""" start="00:01:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can add hyperlinks.""" start="00:01:28.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in fact, the emacs-conf schedule""" start="00:01:31.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is very naturally generated from emacs-lisp itself,""" start="00:01:35.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there was no way I was going to handle""" start="00:01:41.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two track schedules by hand.""" start="00:01:43.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's just SVG so that you can then have the hovers.""" start="00:01:45.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The important thing is that when you're exporting it to HTML,""" start="00:01:49.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has to be an inline SVG to get the fancy behaviors.""" start="00:01:53.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're linking it in as an image, then it doesn't work.""" start="00:01:57.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has to be inline. So for example, for my org mode,""" start="00:02:02.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have my exports for images checked first if it's an SVG.""" start="00:02:09.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And unless I have an attribute""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on it that says, no, just link to it because it's large and not interactive,""" start="00:02:15.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it actually inlines all of that markup""" start="00:02:20.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the exported HTML, if that makes sense.""" start="00:02:22.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That does, that does make sense.""" start="00:02:26.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a little less mysterious now.""" start="00:02:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the plus side, once it is in there as inline HTML,""" start="00:02:36.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, inline, you know, it's an inline markup,""" start="00:02:40.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can actually play around with it""" start="00:02:42.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using JavaScript or CSS. That's really neat.""" start="00:02:44.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a question about some other SVG wizardry I've seen you do.""" start="00:03:01.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have these SVGs that grow, right?""" start="00:03:07.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like they accumulate elements, almost like a slideshow.""" start="00:03:09.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Am I remembering that correctly? Yeah, yeah, yeah.""" start="00:03:15.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started using that for one""" start="00:03:20.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the EmacsConf presentations.""" start="00:03:22.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, the one EmacsConf presentation""" start="00:03:24.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've done in recent history,""" start="00:03:26.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's nice to be able to add things gradually, right?""" start="00:03:27.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Especially as you're giving a presentation.""" start="00:03:31.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's also done with Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:03:35.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I do is, first I make the image, and then in Inkscape,""" start="00:03:38.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can group together the elements""" start="00:03:43.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to appear at the same time.""" start="00:03:46.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I can use Emacs to, I think I just changed the,""" start="00:03:49.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just add some CSS to them to make them dimmer.""" start="00:03:54.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you just iterate through the different groups in that level,""" start="00:04:01.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you write out the intermediate SVG files,""" start="00:04:04.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can use Inkscape""" start="00:04:09.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to convert them into PNGs if you want,""" start="00:04:12.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like images of each step""" start="00:04:14.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are in PNG format instead of SVG.""" start="00:04:16.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the basic idea is you group""" start="00:04:18.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the elements together that you want in one step,""" start="00:04:20.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can manipulate it""" start="00:04:24.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the Emacs DOM.EL library,""" start="00:04:25.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's just an XML document.""" start="00:04:30.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can say, all right, hide everything or have everything visible""" start="00:04:32.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then remove the last one or something like that, you know, iterated.""" start="00:04:38.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Show them one at a time and then write your resulting document object model""" start="00:04:43.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a new file each step. Do you have, that makes sense.""" start="00:04:50.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So do you just write the e-list,""" start="00:05:05.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like is this on a case-by-case basis?""" start="00:05:09.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like every time you need to do this,""" start="00:05:12.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you write fresh e-list to step through the SVG this way?""" start="00:05:13.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or do you have some kind of package""" start="00:05:18.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or library to do this more?""" start="00:05:22.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go see if this is the one.""" start="00:05:27.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's probably just buried in my config.""" start="00:05:33.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I do it again, I'm sure I will find another thing""" start="00:05:39.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've completely forgotten about""" start="00:05:46.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore have to recode or fix or whatever.""" start="00:05:51.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let me go see. Can you see my screen? Yep. OK.""" start="00:05:56.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, oh, yeah, yeah, this one. Nice, I remember that one.""" start="00:06:03.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, so we get this SVG, and then this animateSVGPaths""" start="00:06:07.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just a function I have. It takes the file name.""" start="00:06:13.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes an output there. It adds one path back at a time.""" start="00:06:16.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it just creates a lot of these numbered frames.""" start="00:06:22.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as you can see here,""" start="00:06:25.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just saying, OK, take the whole thing.""" start="00:06:27.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I think, yeah, maybe I said it like,""" start="00:06:30.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, take the whole thing,""" start="00:06:34.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make everything transparent,""" start="00:06:37.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then one at a time, make them opaque""" start="00:06:40.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and save that, save that to the frame, to the image.""" start="00:06:45.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this theoretically is a somewhat reusable function""" start="00:06:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that takes the SVG and just fills the directory with it.""" start="00:06:54.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's the order in which it reveals things?""" start="00:07:01.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Top to bottom or bottom to top, it's whatever the SVG has.""" start="00:07:03.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so if you're grouping things together,""" start="00:07:12.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can rearrange things in Inkscape.""" start="00:07:15.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've given them IDs,""" start="00:07:17.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I have another function for in Emacs list""" start="00:07:22.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that just highlights something""" start="00:07:25.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lets me put an ID for it,""" start="00:07:26.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can rearrange them yourself""" start="00:07:28.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by looking at the markup, I guess.""" start="00:07:30.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I think I actually have some code also""" start="00:07:32.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will rearrange the path""" start="00:07:35.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on a list of IDs that I give it.""" start="00:07:37.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sequence so this one is animating""" start="00:07:39.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one element at a time here""" start="00:07:42.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um it's kind of like interesting effect""" start="00:07:44.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for larger things like for this one""" start="00:07:47.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""i can split this up into groups""" start="00:07:49.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because i don't want to necessarily animate them letter by letter and that one""" start="00:07:52.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yes, this is the function that I have""" start="00:07:59.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for identifying the paths""" start="00:08:03.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it highlights it and then it asks me for a name.""" start="00:08:05.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the one that reorders it.""" start="00:08:08.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can say, this is the sequence""" start="00:08:11.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want it animated in. And it will, yeah, good.""" start="00:08:14.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you don't actually need Inkscape at all, right?""" start="00:08:19.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because you have an elisp function""" start="00:08:23.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will let you assign the order interactively.""" start="00:08:25.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so if you're doing just all the elements one after the other,""" start="00:08:28.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Inkscape is helpful for combining the different shapes,""" start="00:08:34.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, breaking it apart,""" start="00:08:39.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because when I get the PDF and I convert it,""" start="00:08:41.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's like one big element that has a very complex path.""" start="00:08:44.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I want to animate it element by element,""" start="00:08:48.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to break it apart""" start="00:08:52.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then recombine it so that, you know, so that this O looks like it's hollow""" start="00:08:53.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of like a circle.""" start="00:08:59.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a little bit of Inkscape""" start="00:09:01.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cleaning up before then,""" start="00:09:02.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I really dislike the mouse heavy stuff of Inkscape""" start="00:09:04.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for assigning IDs and things like that.""" start="00:09:08.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't quite gotten the hang of it.""" start="00:09:12.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is what it looks like""" start="00:09:14.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before you group the elements together""" start="00:09:16.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you combine paths,""" start="00:09:17.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what you have to do Inkscape for,""" start="00:09:20.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I can't make sense of the numbers in Emacs someday.""" start="00:09:22.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just combine, combine, combine. 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What I did was I gave it all IDs.""" start="00:10:10.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I gave each group an ID.""" start="00:10:15.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then when I have the ID, I can say, you know, maybe when I group it,""" start="00:10:17.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm doing it in a bit of a haphazard way,""" start="00:10:26.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not grouping the first thing first,""" start="00:10:28.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the second thing, and the third thing.""" start="00:10:30.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a bit of a mess.""" start="00:10:32.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this one just resorts it by, I think,""" start="00:10:34.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just looking everything up, storing it,""" start="00:10:38.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then putting it back in order.""" start="00:10:41.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I probably have the code for this somewhere,""" start="00:10:45.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if it's not, it's in the source code.""" start="00:10:49.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There should be a source.""" start="00:10:52.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, so this is an org source for this post,""" start="00:10:53.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if it's not in there, then it should be in my config,""" start="00:10:57.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the definition of this function.""" start="00:11:01.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are to pass. Here we are. Yeah, there you go.""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there, it just, it takes it, it looks for it,""" start="00:11:11.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it adds it to the first layer.""" start="00:11:17.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, you've just explained the magic,""" start="00:11:19.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes it less magical,""" start="00:11:29.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also something I could try. Yeah, this is interesting.""" start="00:11:31.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, S2G is surprisingly powerful. Yeah, I know.""" start="00:11:36.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know it can do a lot more""" start="00:11:41.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than what we typically use it for.""" start="00:11:43.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you also had this feature where, I think you used CSS,""" start="00:11:46.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where if you mouse over something in the SVG,""" start="00:11:53.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something is highlighted in your webpage.""" start="00:11:56.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in the organizer's notebook.""" start="00:11:58.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have a draft schedule here.""" start="00:12:04.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, we've been doing all this stuff live, that schedule,""" start="00:12:07.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where if you have, let's pick someone's talk.""" start="00:12:10.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, highlight.""" start="00:12:16.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, oh, maybe it's the other way around.""" start="00:12:22.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to put this stuff here first. Oh yeah, okay.""" start="00:12:26.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you'll notice here how if I add some JavaScript,""" start="00:12:30.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it takes a look at what's in the URL.""" start="00:12:33.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if so, then it can highlight a specific thing""" start="00:12:36.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using just, maybe CSS might be it.""" start="00:12:38.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I think it's JavaScript setting the CSS style on it.""" start="00:12:41.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, you can play around with CSS.""" start="00:12:47.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See, this one has a slightly darker,""" start="00:12:51.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slightly thicker background. So SVGs are great for that.""" start="00:12:53.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you inspect it,""" start="00:12:59.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I don't think I have shared here,""" start="00:13:01.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you inspect it, I will share my inspect.""" start="00:13:03.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have too many windows open,""" start="00:13:07.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I don't want to share my whole thing.""" start="00:13:10.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But one of these, oh, I don't even know which, how do I find, okay,""" start="00:13:12.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's the developer tools window.""" start="00:13:19.075" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do I even have developer tools? Oh, I can't see it. OK.""" start="00:13:20.367" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you inspect the page on the developer thingy,""" start="00:13:25.325" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it will show the SVG element. Yeah.""" start="00:13:29.492" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And unfortunately, I can't share it easily right now.""" start="00:13:38.117" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe just say inspect. Oh, this is actually, I think,""" start="00:13:41.241" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how also the individual talks have current ones, right?""" start="00:13:46.617" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I just have this image over here,""" start="00:13:55.117" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you just have that one,""" start="00:14:00.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that specific talk styled differently.""" start="00:14:01.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How did you generate this SVG,""" start="00:14:06.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one showing the schedule?""" start="00:14:13.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, okay, okay. Emacs. Book, book, book, book.""" start="00:14:14.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs publish, I think. Let me share it. Emacs conf pub.""" start="00:14:24.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of these windows. Okay, let's see.""" start="00:14:29.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Slow down, look at all the windows.""" start="00:14:36.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm just gonna share the whole screen.""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Screen two, no, screen one. All right, and okay.""" start="00:14:40.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is the one. Is it sharing my screen?""" start="00:14:50.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not sharing my screen. I'm going to try this again.""" start="00:15:05.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. All right. So, the schedule. The schedule.""" start="00:15:08.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the actual function""" start="00:15:23.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that creates the SVG rectangles for the talks.""" start="00:15:24.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. My screen share ended. Let me do that again.""" start="00:15:28.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and as you can see,""" start="00:15:35.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just a little bit of math for the X, the Y,""" start="00:15:41.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we color it differently""" start="00:15:45.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on whether I'm making the schedule for the public view.""" start="00:15:48.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we just, you know, do we do developer, development talk""" start="00:15:52.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or general talk as colors,""" start="00:15:58.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if I want to color it for the backstage view,""" start="00:15:59.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can keep track of the talk's status.""" start="00:16:02.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so SDG track takes the track""" start="00:16:04.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the talk information,""" start="00:16:07.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it makes all the little rectangles.""" start="00:16:09.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the thing that adds a little hover""" start="00:16:11.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the times and titles as well.""" start="00:16:15.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Emacs's API for dealing with this is actually pretty good.""" start="00:16:17.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and of course, I have a hook here that modifies it.""" start="00:16:22.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can just run through a different function,""" start="00:16:27.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different functions to tweak it.""" start="00:16:30.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I could say, okay, color it in case my time constraints are,""" start="00:16:32.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, not being met.""" start="00:16:36.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I can paint about this somewhere.""" start="00:16:37.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the nice thing about this""" start="00:16:40.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it's actually, it's, you can, hang on a second, let me do this carefully.""" start="00:16:51.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, here you go.""" start="00:17:06.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's super nice to be able to refer to it within Emacs itself""" start="00:17:08.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Emacs has SVG support.""" start="00:17:13.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is, for example, the organizer view""" start="00:17:15.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside an org mode file. And it just has all those SVGs.""" start="00:17:19.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It don't have the hover things,""" start="00:17:24.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's just an image in it.""" start="00:17:25.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, SVGs, Emacs, awesome. Oh, that's very cool.""" start="00:17:27.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're actually drawing the rectangles from scratch.""" start="00:17:37.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took a little bit of figuring out,""" start="00:17:40.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially since I realized""" start="00:17:45.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted horizontal on the wiki pages""" start="00:17:46.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it fits on people's screens,""" start="00:17:49.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I wanted vertical in my organized review""" start="00:17:51.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I don't have to keep tilting my head sideways.""" start="00:17:56.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is the code for that.""" start="00:18:09.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See, I'm just directly adding G nodes for groups""" start="00:18:12.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or A nodes for the hyperlinks and rep as well.""" start="00:18:19.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the SVG library also has functions""" start="00:18:23.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for adding rectangles and things like that,""" start="00:18:27.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but sometimes I vaguely remember""" start="00:18:31.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes you can't return the node that I'm expecting.""" start="00:18:32.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, it's okay to just use the DOM functions directly.""" start="00:18:35.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the whole thing gets SVG printed afterwards.""" start="00:18:40.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can just say SVG printed, and then it's good to go.""" start="00:18:46.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see. Actually, do I have SVG?""" start="00:18:54.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's schedule for track SVG.""" start="00:18:57.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a shame that you can't visually interact""" start="00:19:05.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with parts of an SVG in Emacs the way you can in Emacs.""" start="00:19:08.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, some people have some interesting experiments with that.""" start="00:19:11.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't dug into it much,""" start="00:19:16.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but people have figured out how to use the mouse events""" start="00:19:18.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then figure out what the, like there's LEC draw, right?""" start="00:19:21.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So lecdraw is a package that lets you draw SVGs""" start="00:19:26.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can drag things and whatever. So that's very cool.""" start="00:19:30.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's also an org related package""" start="00:19:33.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lets you visualize your schedule as boxes.""" start="00:19:37.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like, yeah, that's a thing also.""" start="00:19:43.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So people have experimented""" start="00:19:45.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with mouse interaction and it's cool,""" start="00:19:46.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't had the brain space to do that yet,""" start="00:19:49.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it would be nice. Yeah, you're right.""" start="00:19:51.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I remember using easy draw""" start="00:19:55.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and being surprised at what it can do.""" start="00:19:58.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only thing I think I discovered""" start="00:20:02.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it ends up creating lots of new SVGs,""" start="00:20:05.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of the way that you do""" start="00:20:10.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you show elements one by one,""" start="00:20:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are essentially creating one SVG for each state,""" start="00:20:14.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one full SVG for each intermediate state of the presentation, let's say.""" start="00:20:19.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's kind of what ELEasyDraw does.""" start="00:20:24.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I thought that's not good for performance.""" start="00:20:26.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is kind of on the slow side,""" start="00:20:30.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you compare it to like Inkscape or anything else.""" start="00:20:33.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, what it can do is pretty amazing.""" start="00:20:37.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can dynamically modify an SVG object,""" start="00:20:40.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will automatically get updated in Emacs,""" start="00:20:44.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a technique that I use a lot in FFNS in subbed.""" start="00:20:48.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, if I have waveform show all in this,""" start="00:20:52.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will, like, it's very easy to just move one element, for example,""" start="00:20:57.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or make an element larger or smaller.""" start="00:21:03.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's the... It might be pretty efficient, I don't know,""" start="00:21:08.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm certainly not like writing it to disk each time and reloading it.""" start="00:21:13.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eric and I demoed in 2020 EmacsConf for Dungeon Mode Works,""" start="00:21:20.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we demonstrated, you know, showing parts of the map""" start="00:21:25.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then, you know, different characters""" start="00:21:29.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have different abilities that show,""" start="00:21:31.650" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allow you to see different dungeon features.""" start="00:21:33.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then if your last character,""" start="00:21:36.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, of that class or race dies,""" start="00:21:38.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you suddenly can't see""" start="00:21:42.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""secret doors or whatever anymore.""" start="00:21:44.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so just make that disappear""" start="00:21:46.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between one turn and the next""" start="00:21:48.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just working with just simply update the SVG""" start="00:21:50.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there goes the screen. No, no, no bus, no bus.""" start="00:21:54.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty awesome. So this is an example""" start="00:21:57.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how I'm using it to kind of show where we are in the, in the track.""" start="00:22:01.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here's mouse, mouse interaction, right?""" start="00:22:07.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can change my timestamp right from there. Which is fine.""" start="00:22:09.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I'm curious how this works exactly.""" start="00:22:21.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To effect any kind of change in the SVG,""" start="00:22:28.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have to use the DOM library, right? Yes.""" start="00:22:31.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so, but that means that it's going to be,""" start="00:22:36.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anytime you make a change, it's going to read in the XML,""" start="00:22:39.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""convert it to an Elisp DOM, right?""" start="00:22:43.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you modify that tree.""" start="00:22:48.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you keep the DOM, like, well, in this case, for example,""" start="00:22:50.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm actually constructing it using Emacs list objects directly.""" start="00:22:55.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you were working with an external SVG,""" start="00:23:00.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would parse it first, yes,""" start="00:23:02.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using XML parse file or something like that.""" start="00:23:05.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you would have it in memory.""" start="00:23:07.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you insert the image,""" start="00:23:12.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you insert the list document object model that you have,""" start="00:23:14.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then any changes you make to that document object model""" start="00:23:18.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically get updated in the image somehow.""" start="00:23:21.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, that's fantastic. 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Oh, it's this update current bar.""" start="00:24:07.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, so what update current bar does""" start="00:24:12.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it moves the bar to the right place.""" start="00:24:16.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see here how this SVG,""" start="00:24:19.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm actually just reading it off the text property""" start="00:24:21.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I know which one is the current one in the overlay.""" start="00:24:24.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I remove the old one, just the element.""" start="00:24:28.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't have to mess around with the image.""" start="00:24:31.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I removed the old one for some reason,""" start="00:24:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to make sure, I guess.""" start="00:24:35.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can actually just update the attribute on it.""" start="00:24:36.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I think this is just so that I don't have to worry""" start="00:24:38.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about whether there is one or there isn't.""" start="00:24:42.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I add a bar at the right position""" start="00:24:45.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it makes that little animated sweeping thingy.""" start="00:24:47.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see how I'm not recreating the SVG at this point.""" start="00:24:52.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just getting it from the overlay.""" start="00:24:55.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's very interesting. I wonder what it's doing.""" start="00:25:02.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what it's actually doing under the hood when you run SVG removal.""" start="00:25:07.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I don't know, too. I think it's RSVG is tied""" start="00:25:09.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the display engine, so to speak. Yeah, that it is.""" start="00:25:19.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But RSVG, the library,""" start="00:25:32.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can only deal with actual SVGs, right, like XML SVGs,""" start="00:25:33.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we're dealing with the ELISP DOM of an SVG.""" start="00:25:39.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the display engine can re-enter the LISP.""" start="00:25:43.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do know that the display engine""" start="00:25:47.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can re-enter the LISP engine,""" start="00:25:49.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I think that may be the answer.""" start="00:25:51.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can just SVG insert image the object itself.""" start="00:25:53.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, for example, SVG create just creates,""" start="00:25:58.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it actually just creates a DOM model.""" start="00:26:01.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is Lisp, and it's not,""" start="00:26:04.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't get printed to string representation or anything.""" start="00:26:06.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you can SVG insert image,""" start="00:26:09.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can set the display and, you know,""" start="00:26:13.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use pass it like as an SVG image.""" start="00:26:15.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SVG image gives you an image object""" start="00:26:20.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to do the like the regular""" start="00:26:22.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sort of display thingy. Actually, that one says it turns it""" start="00:26:24.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a string representation.""" start="00:26:31.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or at least maybe that's just how it gets retrained.""" start="00:26:34.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyhow, some kind of magic happens,""" start="00:26:36.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't have to worry about it.""" start="00:26:38.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just stays on my side. Yeah, but I was thinking about it""" start="00:26:39.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I expect that if it's converting to XML all the time, every time you make a change,""" start="00:26:44.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then that's going to be the bottleneck""" start="00:26:49.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any kind of heavy interactive SVG editing or modification in Emacs.""" start="00:26:52.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The kind that ELEasyDraw does.""" start="00:26:58.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But maybe if we make it compelling enough,""" start="00:27:01.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the folks upstream can say, all right,""" start="00:27:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the way that JSON got a lot faster.""" start="00:27:07.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Who knows? Maybe we can get that to be faster too. Yeah.""" start="00:27:10.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see a lot of potential for better UIs in Emacs""" start="00:27:13.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with using SVGs. Yeah.""" start="00:27:19.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nicolas Rougier has all those experiments, right?""" start="00:27:22.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, but all of those, I think, are bound by the limitations""" start="00:27:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how deeply SVGs are embedded in the display engine,""" start="00:27:30.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's kind of what we're discussing.""" start="00:27:33.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to avoid going to XML,""" start="00:27:36.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, going from XML to Elisp DOM""" start="00:27:38.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to modified Elisp DOM back to XML.""" start="00:27:41.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to avoid that round trip. Yeah, for sure.""" start="00:27:44.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or make that as fast as possible, yeah.""" start="00:27:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does anyone else have anything they want to share?""" start="00:28:04.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've always got stuff I can share,""" start="00:28:11.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I pretty happily defer. I've already seen what I made.""" start="00:28:13.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Karthik? Oh, I'm a fly on a wall here. I'm not.""" start="00:28:17.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I didn't come in with the intent to share anything.""" start="00:28:28.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. How about you, Sacha?""" start="00:28:32.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have other stuff you haven't shown off recently?""" start="00:28:34.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aside from all the panicking""" start="00:28:38.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about getting EmacsConf together this year?""" start="00:28:39.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just wanted to bring it up.""" start="00:28:42.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see, what do I have in my recent, like, fiddled with?""" start="00:28:45.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have a project called...""" start="00:28:50.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a project called Ufta, which is a little bit fun.""" start="00:28:54.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me pull it up here before I share.""" start="00:28:56.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see my messy, messy desktop. Okay, there it is.""" start="00:29:00.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's supposed to want a shell. Probably that one.""" start="00:29:08.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll just bootroot. keeping in mind that graphics""" start="00:29:21.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is going to end in about five minutes. Ooh, perfect.""" start="00:29:29.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That'll keep me from from being my normal long-winded self.""" start="00:29:33.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you already made contact with Emmanuel? I was not.""" start="00:29:38.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm going to quickly do a check in.""" start="00:29:47.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, sounds good. Did you hear back from him?""" start="00:29:50.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assume that's a yes.""" start="00:30:00.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'll go ahead and share screen here""" start="00:30:01.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just take a look, a very brief look at this.""" start="00:30:04.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assuming I can present. I had a question for Sacha.""" start="00:30:08.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a question for Sacha and you, Corbin.""" start="00:30:16.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello. Yeah, you're good. Go for it. Yeah, yeah.""" start="00:30:22.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in past years, in the EmacsConf,""" start="00:30:28.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a talk by someone,""" start="00:30:33.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually John Wheatley, or I think Philip last year,""" start="00:30:36.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about new developments in Emacs.""" start="00:30:41.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, and that is kind of at the whim""" start="00:30:44.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the Emacs developers,""" start="00:30:48.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether that is included in the in the conference.""" start="00:30:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's kind of up to the, you know, how busy folks are""" start="00:30:56.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and whether somebody can follow up the time to prepare it.""" start="00:30:59.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see. Yeah, I noticed that there wasn't one for this year.""" start="00:31:02.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I know of at least one improvement""" start="00:31:07.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or one change to Emacs.""" start="00:31:10.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's small, but I'm guessing it's very crucial""" start="00:31:12.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a certain class of Emacs users.""" start="00:31:17.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can talk about that, just that one thing.""" start="00:31:20.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you can, you can, you can go right.""" start="00:31:24.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can't share anything and we've got about one minute.""" start="00:31:29.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So have that. Okay. Um, so the change is that, uh,""" start="00:31:32.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the development version of Emacs,""" start="00:31:39.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, child frames are now supported""" start="00:31:41.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terminal in the terminal.""" start="00:31:46.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I suspect that not many people know about it yet,""" start="00:31:53.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically this means something like Corfu is going to work fine""" start="00:31:56.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're running Emacs in a terminal,""" start="00:32:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as pause frames or anything that shows like a little pop-up window""" start="00:32:05.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that previously did not work in Terminal Emacs.""" start="00:32:14.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's it. That's the update. Cool.""" start="00:32:19.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, there I have a share screen button.""" start="00:32:27.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll see if I think we're just about to cut away,""" start="00:32:29.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll go ahead and see if I can get this going.""" start="00:32:32.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just share my whole screen""" start="00:32:34.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this will be a little ugly as it comes in.""" start="00:32:36.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a project that I think is a little bit fun.""" start="00:32:39.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's called Oopda. And basically what this does,""" start="00:32:44.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see it on my source site,""" start="00:32:47.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's sr.ht tilde mplscorewin slash Oopda.""" start="00:32:49.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""O-F-D-A, and this is a very simple approach""" start="00:32:55.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to using an org file as a replacement for SQLite.""" start="00:32:59.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very simple, but it does support like a dot style path and notation.""" start="00:33:04.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can get at deeply nested data""" start="00:33:12.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just gives a little,""" start="00:33:16.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a shell script wrapper that comes with it.""" start="00:33:19.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right.""" start="00:33:24.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Theoretically, this is the Q&A for the graphics talk.""" start="00:33:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops, I have to unmute over here. Sorry.""" start="00:33:32.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I had a little audio bleed through,""" start="00:33:38.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my apologies, can you still hear me?""" start="00:33:53.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'm gonna guess,""" start="00:34:02.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I still see us live on the screen""" start="00:34:03.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're still live. All right, so I'll just press on.""" start="00:34:05.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what we're looking at here is a project called Upta.""" start="00:34:12.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's the Emacs Lisp source port.""" start="00:34:18.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see it's not real impressive""" start="00:34:21.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even with all of its boilerplate.""" start="00:34:23.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's under 200 lines of code.""" start="00:34:24.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is kind of a proof of concept,""" start="00:34:27.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""giving us the ability to use a org.org file""" start="00:34:30.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a flat file database. The intention here is to get""" start="00:34:35.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a kind of transition from SQLite,""" start="00:34:38.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is using a flat text file as a database,""" start="00:34:40.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to being able to have more of a literate database""" start="00:34:44.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we can intermix documentation about the data""" start="00:34:48.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the data itself,""" start="00:34:52.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then by giving a path on the command line.""" start="00:34:54.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll go back to the README, just take a look at that.""" start="00:34:57.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see there's a couple of kind of examples here""" start="00:35:02.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we're, here we would be querying a path.""" start="00:35:05.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can also provide a value""" start="00:35:11.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that'll set data into the file.""" start="00:35:15.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has an optional first parameter""" start="00:35:20.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to specify the specific org file by default.""" start="00:35:23.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks for a file called data.org.""" start="00:35:26.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course that can be used inside Emacs as well,""" start="00:35:29.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although the value of that may be a little bit limited""" start="00:35:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compared to more sophisticated""" start="00:35:37.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""technologies like org-element.""" start="00:35:39.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not an implementation""" start="00:35:41.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that mirrors all of org-element""" start="00:35:43.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any of the more complex functionality of org.""" start="00:35:47.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really as simple as possible proof of concept""" start="00:35:50.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just to be able to kind of work""" start="00:35:52.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the data inside an org file""" start="00:35:57.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get it back out on the command line.""" start="00:35:59.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll see if we can make it work here.""" start="00:36:01.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Corwin, could you increase the font size?""" start="00:36:07.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I surely will. All right. How's that?""" start="00:36:13.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's my picture. Yeah. Okay. Cool.""" start="00:36:27.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, let's see if we do have a, well, we can probably make it.""" start="00:36:31.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's do this.""" start="00:36:39.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and then in theory, this just works.""" start="00:37:00.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll cut.""" start="00:37:05.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll just create a data file called data.org.""" start="00:37:42.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make sure that works. Looks reasonable.""" start="00:37:45.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try adding some data to it. Hmm, not so happy.""" start="00:37:50.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, let's try it the hard way.""" start="00:38:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll come back over here to my usage""" start="00:38:17.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll just try running it.""" start="00:38:21.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is Emacs, is finding Emacs really the issue?""" start="00:38:23.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It seems to me it's not, it's not liking my path.""" start="00:38:37.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not finding out that I do EO and PWD.""" start="00:38:41.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It wants it to be on the log. I see.""" start="00:38:44.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I may have to even mess with that further,""" start="00:38:49.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we'll just try it.""" start="00:38:54.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this should retrieve the value if it works.""" start="00:38:55.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and let's take a take a simple""" start="00:39:04.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, add-to-list takes a symbol.""" start="00:39:17.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to have issues with bash quoting,""" start="00:39:47.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you should escape the quoting side.""" start="00:39:52.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gotcha. You're kidding.""" start="00:39:58.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not letting go. Whoa. That might work.""" start="00:40:27.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got my parents right. Never demo live. How exciting. OK.""" start="00:40:36.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Without batch, though, we may not get our output. OK.""" start="00:41:02.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, that's as far as I'm going to take it.""" start="00:41:13.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should have prepped a demo environment.""" start="00:41:20.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wasn't really prepared to demo. No worries.""" start="00:41:21.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Couple of questions about this feature.""" start="00:41:26.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question is, do you use it? I do use it, yeah.""" start="00:41:30.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should have gotten onto the environment""" start="00:41:37.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'm using it. It's a little messy.""" start="00:41:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gets into another project""" start="00:41:45.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's way too complicated to get into.""" start="00:41:47.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, but what kinds of things do you use it for?""" start="00:41:48.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's sort of hard to answer""" start="00:41:53.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that without getting into my other project,""" start="00:41:57.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but essentially I've got a web development tool chain""" start="00:41:59.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is kind of a web-based REPL""" start="00:42:02.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is kind of a literate compute environment, if you will,""" start="00:42:05.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allowing me to use a bunch of virtual machines""" start="00:42:10.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as one big computer. That project is called Ghost Wheel.""" start="00:42:13.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so in order to show off the homepage,""" start="00:42:19.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So on this page, you can see the list of machines,""" start="00:42:23.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you'll also see there's these state indicators.""" start="00:42:30.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And right now, as a matter of fact,""" start="00:42:34.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've been hacking on""" start="00:42:38.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is trying to get support for org tables.""" start="00:42:41.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, I support only changing all of the data""" start="00:42:44.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within some heading, subheading, or whatever.""" start="00:42:48.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I'd like to be able to do is specify,""" start="00:42:51.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using org table fm syntax, the particular row column.""" start="00:42:55.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So find a particular named table,""" start="00:43:01.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find a particular row, you know,""" start="00:43:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""column one, you know, row two, column one,""" start="00:43:06.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then set the value from the command.""" start="00:43:08.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I just use it for very simple stuff.""" start="00:43:11.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really want to show that off.""" start="00:43:18.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got another page that lists all of the DNS names""" start="00:43:20.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are associated that are hosted on Ghostwheel.""" start="00:43:23.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I use that to add items to the list.""" start="00:43:26.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does it make sense? Yeah, it sounds useful.""" start="00:43:29.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one thing that I would like,""" start="00:43:40.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it's easy enough to write,""" start="00:43:47.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but is a tool exactly like this""" start="00:43:51.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I can query my org files from the command line?""" start="00:43:58.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's exactly what it says.""" start="00:44:03.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, but it's going to be more""" start="00:44:06.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a database query where, you know, I say select, select all headings where, you know,""" start="00:44:14.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that contain this string or that have this tag, right?""" start="00:44:23.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The kinds of things that you can do with org-ql from outside, from inside Emacs, right?""" start="00:44:27.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be able to do those from the command line with,""" start="00:44:38.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to invoke SQL here, like SQL SELECT statements,""" start="00:44:41.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it doesn't have to be that syntax, right?""" start="00:44:48.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just that capability.""" start="00:44:50.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I can see that being useful as a command line tool.""" start="00:44:52.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't even care about write,""" start="00:44:57.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the ability to write or manipulate the file.""" start="00:44:59.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just query. the command line that sounds yeah yeah exactly""" start="00:45:02.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be able to dig a piece of data out of an org file as well""" start="00:45:11.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for my purpose it's very useful to be able to replace it""" start="00:45:15.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then i can deal with submit the form you know""" start="00:45:18.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that might be like a sign up form""" start="00:45:21.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then i just add the user add up an entry into the org file""" start="00:45:24.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for that user right what it doesn't do is a relational data""" start="00:45:29.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So everything, it's essentially a document data store.""" start="00:45:35.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like a Mongo kind of. True. So over on IRC, ScrewLisp asks,""" start="00:45:40.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what does it mean to query an ARC file?""" start="00:45:53.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is the data in a table? Is it in an ELISP nested list view""" start="00:45:57.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a table that has a name in ARC?""" start="00:46:01.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my answer to that is that if you ever used RQL,""" start="00:46:06.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written by Alpha Papa,""" start="00:46:10.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.""" start="00:46:14.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you query based on one of a set of attributes.""" start="00:46:18.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And these attributes are anything that's recognized by ARC.""" start="00:46:23.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the to-do status, the dates,""" start="00:46:30.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the outline path, the headings, a full text search.""" start="00:46:35.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are several more.""" start="00:46:40.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The presence or absence of certain properties.""" start="00:46:43.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using any combination of those if you want to dig down""" start="00:46:46.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and find some data in an art file.""" start="00:46:50.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the kind of query I'm talking about.""" start="00:46:52.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is somewhat equivalent""" start="00:46:56.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to being able to write SQL queries""" start="00:46:58.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you match on things just for your art files.""" start="00:47:02.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I think we might have figured out our problem.""" start="00:47:09.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was DOS encoding. See if that works.""" start="00:47:21.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I switched the development track over""" start="00:47:38.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just watching the gen track since I couldn't find it.""" start="00:47:47.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, Eludo wants to mention""" start="00:47:53.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Carnival theme for December.""" start="00:47:57.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, the people of Emacs,""" start="00:48:00.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of which you are all very awesome.""" start="00:48:02.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for your patience.""" start="00:48:04.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today has been very interesting.""" start="00:48:05.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yes, at some point we can show that too.""" start="00:48:08.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can basically wrap up anytime we like""" start="00:48:13.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or hang out for as much time as we like also.""" start="00:48:17.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay so this is okay at least i got""" start="00:48:19.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as a working demo here""" start="00:48:23.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so now you can kind of see what's going on um""" start="00:48:24.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and i'll just wrap that into uh""" start="00:48:26.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a little prettier output""" start="00:48:31.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see that it modified the value.""" start="00:48:40.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's pretty darn simple.""" start="00:48:53.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, all it's doing is completely replacing all of this content""" start="00:48:59.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with whatever new value is given as its final argument""" start="00:49:06.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after naming the data path.""" start="00:49:11.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the one refinement we can do just to get a little more complex example going.""" start="00:49:14.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll deepen our structure a little bit. And try that.""" start="00:49:23.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here now we'll say test two.""" start="00:49:32.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can take a look at the data file""" start="00:49:38.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see that it has adjusted that""" start="00:49:47.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because test2 was completely unique, that worked fine.""" start="00:49:51.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If that were not the case,""" start="00:49:55.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we would have had to specify the path""" start="00:50:00.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using dot notation like this. And that's pretty much it.""" start="00:50:02.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took me much longer to figure out""" start="00:50:17.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why it wasn't just working than it did to demo it.""" start="00:50:20.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And again, what I really like about this program,""" start="00:50:23.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""besides the fact that I find it quite useful""" start="00:50:29.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just be able to stuff values into an org file""" start="00:50:31.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the command line using shell script,""" start="00:50:34.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what I really like about this""" start="00:50:36.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that it's a whopping 190 lines of code,""" start="00:50:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including all the boilerplate.""" start="00:50:46.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will share the project into the chat.""" start="00:50:47.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, Corwin, you're not using org-element for this, are you?""" start="00:50:55.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No. Yeah, that's a great question.""" start="00:51:02.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's just dig a little into the code here.""" start="00:51:06.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or maybe it would be more fun to actually""" start="00:51:10.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only real requires here, I do use cl-lib mostly.""" start="00:51:21.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm directly using the macros from org.""" start="00:51:26.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Particularly, I'm extremely fond of this function.""" start="00:51:33.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd love to see this just promoted to promoted""" start="00:51:36.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somewhere deeper into Emacs proper,""" start="00:51:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I don't have to load all of the org macros""" start="00:51:43.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get to this particularly useful one,""" start="00:51:47.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which just tells me whether ignoring whitespace""" start="00:51:50.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a string has any characters, has greater than zero length.""" start="00:51:54.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Isn't that just string blank B?""" start="00:51:59.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a little different.""" start="00:52:04.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This deals with... I may struggle to remember the details,""" start="00:52:09.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's possible that the non-org specific version""" start="00:52:14.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has even been improved or I didn't use it correctly,""" start="00:52:21.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I believe my experience was it didn't handle new lines, for example, quite the same way.""" start="00:52:23.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So getting into what this actually does,""" start="00:52:29.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the program is finding the relevant part of the file.""" start="00:52:38.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll see that we start out by doing a depth-based search,""" start="00:52:43.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capture the value that we're looking for.""" start="00:52:49.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then finally, we widen the buffer""" start="00:52:51.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and keep handling the case where we might be being called""" start="00:52:58.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from within Emacs in a narrowed buffer.""" start="00:53:01.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is another what should be documented at the top.""" start="00:53:05.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that is obviously going to load org.""" start="00:53:11.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just double-check that. 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Right.""" start="00:56:23.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, the advantage of not using arg element""" start="00:56:26.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that you don't have to load arg or arg element, right?""" start="00:56:32.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so, it's going to be faster.""" start="00:56:37.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's going to be faster both because you don't have to load arg element""" start="00:56:39.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and because you don't have to run arg element, like the arg parser.""" start="00:56:45.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But on the other hand,""" start="00:56:51.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you end up loading all of org anyway.""" start="00:56:52.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So at that point, it might just be better""" start="00:56:58.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use org element because it's more robust.""" start="00:57:02.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you have a bunch of leading stars""" start="00:57:05.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside a source block or something,""" start="00:57:07.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't want to misclassify that.""" start="00:57:09.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Matter of fact, I believe I had to do some flossing with it""" start="00:57:11.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to deal with not just that,""" start="00:57:16.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but drawers and things 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video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and recently started talking to Ihor,""" start="00:58:14.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the new org maintainer,""" start="00:58:19.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who took over in the last year or so from Bastien.""" start="00:58:20.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just about what it would take to pick that up,""" start="00:58:27.580" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least get it to a point""" start="00:58:32.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where somebody else could work on it.""" start="00:58:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty dense right now.""" start="00:58:35.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this thing is a bit of a monster,""" start="00:58:39.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but at the end of the day,""" start="00:58:59.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our goal is to extend the syntax,""" start="00:59:01.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to be able to use this Org Table FM syntax""" start="00:59:06.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in other contexts.""" start="00:59:12.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you haven't looked at board table FM,""" start="00:59:14.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these I bar or these I markers""" start="00:59:18.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are telling us to look for the table separator.""" start="00:59:21.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So positioning based on the location of a table separator.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Haha, you are now in charge. Okay, take it away.""" start="01:03:41.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've been using Emacs for like 46 years now,""" start="01:03:47.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back to TECO Emacs. And as I just said in the chat,""" start="01:03:49.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've found that the people who use Emacs""" start="01:03:53.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tend to be interesting people in many different ways.""" start="01:03:56.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so this month, I'm just saying, let's give a shout out""" start="01:03:59.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to some of the interesting people we've met along the way.""" start="01:04:03.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And including some of the people""" start="01:04:06.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are putting on this conference""" start="01:04:09.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are some of the most interesting""" start="01:04:10.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and helpful people I've ever met.""" start="01:04:11.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you. You're very kind. Thank you.""" start="01:04:13.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll say more than that. Maybe I will.""" start="01:04:27.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I completely agree with you and I couldn't agree more.""" start="01:04:30.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's how Sacha and Amin and Leo""" start="01:04:34.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really dragged me into this,""" start="01:04:38.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, into being a volunteer.""" start="01:04:40.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really, I'm sure we'll talk""" start="01:04:42.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about this in the closing remarks,""" start="01:04:44.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can't recommend volunteering for this project enough.""" start="01:04:46.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""So this is all good.""" start="01:05:23.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so if people want to participate,""" start="01:05:45.500" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you basically write a blog post.""" start="01:05:48.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't have a blog yet,""" start="01:05:49.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are any number of packages in Emacs,""" start="01:05:53.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as web-based services,""" start="01:05:56.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you can get something going with Emacs.""" start="01:05:58.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or exporting to HTML and maybe even figure out RSS,""" start="01:06:02.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can use a static site generator like Hugo,""" start="01:06:05.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can find, if you can set up WordPress,""" start="01:06:08.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's another way to do it.""" start="01:06:11.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or you can email me your thing and I'll post it on my blog""" start="01:06:12.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me know how you want to be credited for it.""" start="01:06:15.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so you can share your story""" start="01:06:20.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or share your story about somebody else's story""" start="01:06:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and celebrate Emacs community.""" start="01:06:26.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can send it to George also.""" start="01:06:35.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll then make links in that blog post.""" start="01:06:39.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And on the subject of community,""" start="01:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also heartily recommend the IRC community on Emacs.""" start="01:06:50.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pound Emacs is another one of those things""" start="01:06:53.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I just personally can't get enough of,""" start="01:06:55.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I hear a lot of stories about just how it's helped people.""" start="01:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, we are now having the automated introduction""" start="01:07:05.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it's going to rejoin over here very soon.""" start="01:07:09.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hang on a second. Wow, that's going.""" start="01:07:12.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Saturday close and let's arrange our screen nicely.""" start="01:07:22.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, we made it to the end of the first day! Woohoo!""" start="01:07:34.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for joining us""" start="01:07:38.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the first day of EmacsConf 2025.""" start="01:07:40.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Feel free to spread the word""" start="01:07:42.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there is still another day of fun talks tomorrow.""" start="01:07:44.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So hashtag EmacsConf and hashtag Emacs.""" start="01:07:48.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you do hashtag Emacs on Mastodon""" start="01:07:51.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Blue Sky or other places, we'll probably find it.""" start="01:07:54.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or if I don't, you can just let me know also.""" start="01:07:58.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The prerecorded talks should be up""" start="01:08:01.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the talk pages already.""" start="01:08:04.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The live talks, we'll probably actually get them up""" start="01:08:05.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within the next week or two.""" start="01:08:09.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think they've already started processing,""" start="01:08:11.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I just had to sit down and then work with""" start="01:08:13.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our wonderful army of volunteer captioners""" start="01:08:15.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get them all nicely captioned.""" start="01:08:18.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, so the prerecorded talks""" start="01:08:20.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are also up on YouTube,""" start="01:08:22.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will eventually also upload them""" start="01:08:23.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to ToobNix, which is a PeerTube instance.""" start="01:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will work on extracting live talks.""" start="01:08:29.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you'd like updates,""" start="01:08:31.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please subscribe to the EmacsConf Discuss mailing list.""" start="01:08:32.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've got ideas for making things better,""" start="01:08:35.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have so many ideas. I always end up with a very long""" start="01:08:37.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to-do list after these things. Please add them to the pad.""" start="01:08:39.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd love to hear from you on how we can make it even smoother next year.""" start="01:08:43.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are about 100 people watching in gen""" start="01:08:46.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and 100 people watching in devs, which is really awesome.""" start="01:08:49.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's amazing to think that we can have""" start="01:08:52.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs party for a lot of people.""" start="01:08:54.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can only do this because of all the wonderful speakers,""" start="01:08:56.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""volunteers, participants,""" start="01:09:00.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very patient people in our lives""" start="01:09:02.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make it possible through all the time and support.""" start="01:09:04.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this year, Corwin did most of the hosting.""" start="01:09:07.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, also dropped by earlier, so that's great.""" start="01:09:10.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope Leo is okay. You know, we managed.""" start="01:09:13.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm Sasha, by the way. I was running around backstage""" start="01:09:17.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and occasionally dropping in to go on the stream.""" start="01:09:22.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are lots of other volunteers who are not on air.""" start="01:09:26.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, during the proposal review process,""" start="01:09:29.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we got a lot of wonderful comments""" start="01:09:32.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from J.C. Helary, Triko, and James Endres Howell,""" start="01:09:34.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captions from Amitav and Rodion and other people""" start="01:09:37.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have actually started also helping""" start="01:09:41.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the captions as well.""" start="01:09:42.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So jay_bird just sent in some stuff today too.""" start="01:09:45.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are slowly working on getting a mirror in the EU set up""" start="01:09:49.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it'll be a little faster for people.""" start="01:09:52.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thanks to Yang3 for lending us a server.""" start="01:09:55.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Babin and Michael and Ian and Jamie""" start="01:09:58.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Eeyore and Floyd Coulter have also helped out as well.""" start="01:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to the Free Software Foundation""" start="01:10:06.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the mailing list, the media server, and of course, GNU Emacs itself,""" start="01:10:08.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for which an astonishing amount""" start="01:10:12.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the scripting is done in Emacs. It's great.""" start="01:10:15.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Ry P for the server that we're using for OBS""" start="01:10:19.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can just VNC into it and I can manage two tracks""" start="01:10:23.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without making my computer melt. It's great.""" start="01:10:27.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, to all the users""" start="01:10:30.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and contributors and project teams""" start="01:10:32.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that work on all the free software""" start="01:10:34.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this stuff is built on.""" start="01:10:36.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, Org Mode, ERC, Tramp, Magit, BigBlueButton,""" start="01:10:37.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Etherpad, IkiWiki, IceCast, OBS, The Lounge,""" start="01:10:43.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LiberaChat, FFmpeg, OpenAI Whisper, WhisperX,""" start="01:10:48.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Aeneas forced alignment tool,""" start="01:10:52.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PsiTransfer, SubEd, SubSeg, Mozilla Firefox, MPV, and Tampermonkey,""" start="01:10:55.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other things I probably forgot to mention.""" start="01:11:00.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Shoshin for the music,""" start="01:11:02.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks to people also who've donated""" start="01:11:04.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the Working Together program,""" start="01:11:06.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Scott and Jonathan and other anonymous donors.""" start="01:11:08.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's a quick thanks. There's more tomorrow,""" start="01:11:12.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Corwin, do you have any parting words?""" start="01:11:15.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, my parting words, Sacha are a thanks to you""" start="01:11:18.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not just a thanks""" start="01:11:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the hundreds of hours that you put""" start="01:11:25.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into preparing this conference,""" start="01:11:27.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, over the years and probably just this year,""" start="01:11:29.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for all that you do for the community you are.""" start="01:11:32.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are a real unsung hero,""" start="01:11:36.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though I do hear your praises sung.""" start="01:11:38.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They really can't be sung enough.""" start="01:11:42.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I just this last week""" start="01:11:43.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recommended to two different people your blog""" start="01:11:45.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a place to get a first introduction to Emacs.""" start="01:11:48.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Your Emacs news is an incredible contribution,""" start="01:11:51.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just I want you to hear us thanking you.""" start="01:11:54.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Sacha. Emacs is a lot of fun,""" start="01:11:57.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs people are a lot of fun,""" start="01:12:04.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's all very wonderful. Yeah, we can wrap up here.""" start="01:12:07.520" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People can keep hanging out if they want.""" start="01:12:10.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a kiddo who is probably going to be back home soon""" start="01:12:15.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will pounce on me for more hugs,""" start="01:12:21.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I will see y'all tomorrow.""" start="01:12:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, for more probably the same kind of stuff.""" start="01:12:25.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shut it down, save our energy for tomorrow.""" start="01:12:29.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, we do like to run into like hours long closing tomorrow.""" start="01:12:32.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll work on resisting that.""" start="01:12:36.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I suggest we, we look, we go get some rest""" start="01:12:38.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and come, come back at it fresh tomorrow.""" start="01:12:41.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anybody else, any concerns with that or shall we go for it?""" start="01:12:43.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sounds good to me.""" start="01:12:47.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've got ideas, pop them into the etherpad.""" start="01:12:50.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And thank you so much for sharing this time with us.""" start="01:12:53.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you tomorrow.""" start="01:12:56.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/open-mic-nav.md b/2025/info/open-mic-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d0fb4b77 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/open-mic-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/greader">GNU Emacs Greader (Gnamù Reader) mode is the best Emacs mode in existence</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sun-open">Sunday opening remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/org-babel-after.md b/2025/info/org-babel-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f788e2a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/org-babel-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,221 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="org-babel-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What are reactive notebooks?""" start="00:00:01.120" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. My name is Abhinav,""" start="00:00:01.120" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to talk about""" start="00:00:03.034" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to make Org Babel reactive. So reactivity here""" start="00:00:03.901" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""means reactivity in the sense of reactive notebooks.""" start="00:00:07.240" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you used Org Babel,""" start="00:00:10.001" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might also have used Jupyter notebooks,""" start="00:00:11.601" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are basically notebooks primarily for""" start="00:00:13.934" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python programming,""" start="00:00:16.200" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you have these text and code blocks interleaved,""" start="00:00:16.934" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can execute every code block independently,""" start="00:00:20.101" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you control the order of execution manually,""" start="00:00:23.158" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can just run the code blocks""" start="00:00:25.859" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from top to bottom. But with reactive notebooks,""" start="00:00:27.200" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what happens is that there's another way of running""" start="00:00:29.700" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is basically by having all these""" start="00:00:32.928" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dependent code blocks automatically get""" start="00:00:35.330" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""executed whenever you make a change.""" start="00:00:37.000" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, if you change a variable,""" start="00:00:38.901" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything else that's dependent on""" start="00:00:40.775" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that variable will be executed automatically.""" start="00:00:42.160" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you an example of what that looks like.""" start="00:00:44.434" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reactivity demo""" start="00:00:49.042" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Right, here's an example reactive Notebook.""" start="00:00:49.042" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is called Observable.""" start="00:00:51.763" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Observable is this tool made by""" start="00:00:53.560" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the creator of d3.js which is""" start="00:00:54.864" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a famous JavaScript charting library. So here, the""" start="00:00:57.680" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interface is very similar to Jupyter Notebook.""" start="00:01:01.500" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You basically are having these cells""" start="00:01:03.668" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and each cell could be a text cell, like here,""" start="00:01:06.408" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a Markdown cell""" start="00:01:08.509" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then there are these code blocks.""" start="00:01:09.589" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now each code cell is basically defining a variable.""" start="00:01:11.610" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is important in reactive notebooks because""" start="00:01:15.251" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""each cell is connected to other cell via this variable""" start="00:01:17.840" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usage. So here data is defined,""" start="00:01:21.240" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then there is filtered which is defined""" start="00:01:23.553" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is dependent on data, and then this plot is""" start="00:01:25.013" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dependent on filtered.""" start="00:01:27.720" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now, in a classical notebook, what I will do is""" start="00:01:29.134" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I change something here, let's say from 1 to 2,""" start="00:01:31.154" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will have to run this, and then run this plot block again""" start="00:01:34.395" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make the change be visible.""" start="00:01:34.855" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in a reactive notebook, what happens is""" start="00:01:40.336" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just change this from some value""" start="00:01:42.056" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to some value, and then execute,""" start="00:01:44.397" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then every descendant is also executed,""" start="00:01:46.257" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's how the reactivity works.""" start="00:01:48.818" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You change this variable,""" start="00:01:51.040" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this should also be changed,""" start="00:01:51.938" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is dependent on this variable.""" start="00:01:53.081" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now this is really helpful""" start="00:01:55.239" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have a very complex and messy notebook""" start="00:01:56.859" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what actually happens in reality.""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You end up doing an exploratory analysis,""" start="00:02:01.200" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have these code blocks lying here and there.""" start="00:02:03.481" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you change something""" start="00:02:05.960" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have to keep something in your mind""" start="00:02:07.102" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that if I change this, I need to run""" start="00:02:09.282" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these five code blocks again""" start="00:02:11.363" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to finally get to the result that I want to see.""" start="00:02:13.024" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stale state causes a lot of issues in Jupyter Notebooks.""" start="00:02:15.605" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is really good for reactivity, sorry reproducibility,""" start="00:02:20.468" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is also really good for""" start="00:02:23.789" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just having this exploration""" start="00:02:26.631" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're trying to do. For example,""" start="00:02:28.600" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're changing something and it's really easy""" start="00:02:30.118" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just see that change happening in real time""" start="00:02:31.762" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your outcome variables, right?""" start="00:02:34.888" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org-Babel""" start="00:02:38.499" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I was wondering how to introduce this reactivity in Org Mode.""" start="00:02:38.499" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here's how it will look like.""" start="00:02:41.921" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a demo Org Mode file.""" start="00:02:43.201" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are many Org Babel blocks here.""" start="00:02:46.303" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you start from here.""" start="00:02:48.604" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say this is a code block. 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then you can, you know,""" start="00:03:36.850" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see how everything else is changing""" start="00:03:37.890" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which gives you some sort of reactivity,""" start="00:03:41.072" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's still a lot of computation""" start="00:03:42.713" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's being wasted.""" start="00:03:43.973" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might not want to change or run this code block again""" start="00:03:45.974" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when something down there is changing.""" start="00:03:49.596" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Caching""" start="00:03:51.901" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So to counter that, you can actually add caching.""" start="00:03:51.901" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you add caching to any code block,""" start="00:03:54.568" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that code block will only be executed again""" start="00:03:57.134" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if that code has changed or""" start="00:03:59.801" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the input variables have changed.""" start="00:04:02.400" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the other problem is that""" start="00:04:04.756" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't want caching to be enabled for a lot of cases""" start="00:04:06.337" video="mainVideo-org-babel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the code block is actually dependent on""" 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/org-babel-nav.md b/2025/info/org-babel-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a0c351dd --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/org-babel-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/reference">Emacs as a fully-fledged reference manager</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/private-ai-after.md b/2025/info/private-ai-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..760e20c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/private-ai-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,877 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="private-ai-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hey, everybody. Welcome from frigid Omaha, Nebraska.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to kick off my talk here,""" start="00:00:04.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll see how it all goes. Thanks for attending.""" start="00:00:06.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the slides will be available on my site, growthy.us,""" start="00:00:23.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the presentation section tonight or tomorrow.""" start="00:00:26.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a quick intro to one way to do private AI in Emacs.""" start="00:00:29.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a lot of other ways to do it.""" start="00:00:33.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one is really just more or less the easiest way to do it.""" start="00:00:35.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a minimal viable product""" start="00:00:38.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get you an idea of how to get started with it""" start="00:00:40.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to give it a spin.""" start="00:00:42.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really hope some of you give it a shot""" start="00:00:43.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and learn something along the way.""" start="00:00:45.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the overview of the talk.""" start="00:00:48.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""broke down these basic bullet points of why private AI,""" start="00:00:50.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do I need to do private AI, Emacs and private AI,""" start="00:00:54.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pieces for an AI Emacs solution,""" start="00:00:58.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a demo of a minimal viable product, and the summary.""" start="00:01:02.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why private AI? This is pretty simple.""" start="00:01:08.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just read the terms and conditions""" start="00:01:10.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any AI system you're currently using.""" start="00:01:12.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're using the free tiers, your queries,""" start="00:01:14.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code uploaded information""" start="00:01:17.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is being used to train the models.""" start="00:01:18.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In some cases, you are giving the company""" start="00:01:20.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a perpetual license to your data.""" start="00:01:22.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But keep in mind, this can change,""" start="00:01:43.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or they may start charging for that option.""" start="00:01:45.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every AI company wants more and more data.""" start="00:01:48.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They need more and more data to train their models.""" start="00:01:51.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is just the way it is.""" start="00:01:53.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They need more and more information""" start="00:01:56.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get it more and more accurate to keep it up to date.""" start="00:01:57.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's been a story about Stack 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Cursor, except it's an Emacs.""" start="00:06:01.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really quite well done.""" start="00:06:04.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all really quite well done.""" start="00:06:05.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a bunch of other projects out there.""" start="00:06:07.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go out to GitHub, type Emacs AI,""" start="00:06:08.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll find a lot of different options.""" start="00:06:10.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what is a minimal viable product that can be done?""" start="00:06:13.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A minimal viable product to show what an AI Emacs solution is""" start="00:06:18.460" 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And that's it firing up.""" start="00:07:25.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is nice enough to actually be listening in port 8080,""" start="00:07:31.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we'll need in a minute.""" start="00:07:33.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once you do that, you have to install gptel and emacs.""" start="00:07:35.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's as simple as firing up emacs,""" start="00:07:43.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing the meta x install package,""" start="00:07:45.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then just typing gptel""" start="00:07:48.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have your repository set up right,""" start="00:07:49.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which hopefully you do.""" start="00:07:51.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you just go ahead and have it.""" start="00:07:52.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You also have to set up a config file.""" start="00:07:54.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's my example config file as it currently set up,""" start="00:07:58.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""requiring ensuring Gptel is loaded,""" start="00:08:01.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defining the Llamafile backend.""" start="00:08:04.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can put multiple backends into it,""" start="00:08:05.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just have the one defined on this example.""" start="00:08:07.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's pretty straightforward.""" start="00:08:09.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Llama local file, name for it, stream, protocol HTTP.""" start="00:08:12.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have HTTPS set up, that's obviously preferable,""" start="00:08:16.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but a lot of people don't for their home labs.""" start="00:08:20.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Host is just 127.0.0.1 port 8080.""" start="00:08:22.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, some of the AIs run on a different port,""" start="00:08:26.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you may be 8081""" start="00:08:30.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're running OpenWebView at the same time. The key,""" start="00:08:31.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we don't need an API key because it's a local server.""" start="00:08:34.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the models just, uh, we can put multiple models""" start="00:08:37.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on there if we want to.""" start="00:08:40.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we create one with additional stuff""" start="00:08:41.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or like rag and stuff like that,""" start="00:08:43.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can actually name those models by their domain,""" start="00:08:45.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is really kind of cool.""" start="00:08:47.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, uh, that's all that takes.""" start="00:08:48.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go ahead and go to a quick test of it.""" start="00:08:52.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. Alt-X, gptel. And we're going to just choose""" start="00:09:03.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the default buffer to make things easier.""" start="00:09:11.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Going to resize it up a bit.""" start="00:09:12.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And usually the go-to question I go to is, who was David Bowie?""" start="00:09:15.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one is actually a question""" start="00:09:19.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's turned out to be really good""" start="00:09:24.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for figuring out whether or not AI is complete.""" start="00:09:26.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is one that some engines do well on, other ones don't.""" start="00:09:28.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can just do, we can either do""" start="00:09:31.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the alt X and send the gptel-send,""" start="00:09:33.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or we can just do control C and hit enter.""" start="00:09:36.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll just do control C and enter.""" start="00:09:37.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now it's going ahead and hitting our local AI system""" start="00:09:39.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running on port 8080. And that looks pretty good,""" start="00:09:43.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's go ahead and say, hey, it's set to terse mode right now.""" start="00:09:46.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please expand upon this. And there we go.""" start="00:09:50.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're getting a full description""" start="00:10:03.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the majority of, uh, about David Bowie's life""" start="00:10:05.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other information about him.""" start="00:10:08.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So very, very happy with that.""" start="00:10:10.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing to keep in mind is you look at things""" start="00:10:21.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're looking for hallucinations,""" start="00:10:23.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how accurate AI is, how it's compressed""" start="00:10:24.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it will tend to screw up on things like""" start="00:10:26.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how many children he had and stuff like that.""" start="00:10:29.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if it gets to that real quick.""" start="00:10:30.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it not actually on this one?""" start="00:10:32.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright, so that's the first question I always ask one.""" start="00:10:39.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next one is what are sea monkeys?""" start="00:10:42.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gives you an idea of the breadth of the system.""" start="00:10:44.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's querying right now. Pulls it back correctly. Yes.""" start="00:10:48.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's smart enough to actually detect David Bowie""" start="00:11:10.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even referenced see monkeys in the song sea of love,""" start="00:11:12.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which came at hit single.""" start="00:11:15.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's actually keeping the context alive""" start="00:11:16.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that which is very cool feature.""" start="00:11:18.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did not see that coming.""" start="00:11:20.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's one that some people say is a really good one""" start="00:11:21.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to ask ours in strawberry.""" start="00:11:24.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, now she's going off the reservation.""" start="00:11:25.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's going in a different direction.""" start="00:11:46.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go ahead and reopen that again,""" start="00:11:48.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's went down a bad hole there for a second.""" start="00:11:49.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me ask it to do write hello world in Emacs list.""" start="00:11:52.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep, that works. 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video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will get you to the point where you can go like,""" start="00:12:35.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a party trick, but it's a very cool party trick.""" start="00:12:37.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The way that Gptel works is it puts it into buffers,""" start="00:12:39.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't interfere with your flow that much,""" start="00:12:42.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just an additional window you can pop open""" start="00:12:45.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to ask questions and get information for,""" start="00:12:47.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dump code into it and have it refactored.""" start="00:12:49.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gptel has a lot of additional options""" start="00:12:51.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for things that are really cool for that.""" start="00:12:53.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want a better solution,""" start="00:12:55.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I recommend Ollama or LM Studio.""" start="00:12:57.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're both more capable than llama file.""" start="00:12:59.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can accept a lot of different models.""" start="00:13:01.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do things like RAG.""" start="00:13:03.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do loading of things onto the GPU more explicitly.""" start="00:13:05.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can speed stuff up.""" start="00:13:09.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the things about the retrieval augmentation is""" start="00:13:10.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will let you put your data into the system""" start="00:13:13.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can start uploading your code, your information,""" start="00:13:15.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and actually being able to do analysis of it.""" start="00:13:17.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OpenWebUI provides more capabilities.""" start="00:13:20.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It provides an interface that's similar""" start="00:13:23.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to what you're used to seeing""" start="00:13:24.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for chat, GPT, and the other systems.""" start="00:13:25.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really quite well done.""" start="00:13:28.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And once again, gptel, I have to mention that""" start="00:13:29.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's the one I really kind of like.""" start="00:13:32.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And OlamaBuddy is also another really nice one.""" start="00:13:34.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what about the licensing of these models?""" start="00:13:36.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I'm going out pulling down""" start="00:13:41.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a model and doing this stuff.""" start="00:13:42.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's take a look at a couple of highlights""" start="00:13:43.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the MetaLlama 3 community license scale.""" start="00:13:46.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If your service exceeds 700 million monthly users,""" start="00:13:49.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need additional licensing.""" start="00:13:52.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably not going to be a problem for most of us.""" start="00:13:54.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a competition restriction.""" start="00:13:56.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can't use this model to enhance competing models.""" start="00:13:58.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's some limitations on using the Meta trademarks.""" start="00:14:00.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not that big a deal.""" start="00:14:04.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the other ones are it's a permissive one""" start="00:14:05.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""designed to encourage innovation,""" start="00:14:09.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""open development, commercial use is allowed,""" start="00:14:10.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are some restrictions on it.""" start="00:14:13.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can modify the model,""" start="00:14:15.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you have to rely on the license terms.""" start="00:14:17.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can distribute the model with derivatives.""" start="00:14:20.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there are some very cool ones out there.""" start="00:14:22.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's people who've done things""" start="00:14:24.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try and make the llama bee less, what's the phrase,""" start="00:14:25.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ethical if you're doing penetration testing research""" start="00:14:29.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that.""" start="00:14:31.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has some very nice value 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's another thing that's just going forward.""" start="00:15:09.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's under the MIT license.""" start="00:15:11.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some things to know to help you""" start="00:15:13.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have a better experience with this.""" start="00:15:15.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Get a Llama and OpenWebUI working by themselves,""" start="00:15:17.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then set up your config file.""" start="00:15:21.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was fighting both at the same time,""" start="00:15:22.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it turned out I had a problem with my LLAMA.""" 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Tremendous.""" start="00:15:34.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""RAG loading documents into it is really easy with open web UI.""" start="00:15:36.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can create models, you can put things like""" start="00:15:40.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""help desk developers and stuff like that, breaking it out.""" start="00:15:43.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Hacker News has a how to build a $300 AI computer.""" start="00:15:46.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is for March 2024,""" start="00:15:51.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it still has a lot of great information""" start="00:15:52.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how to benchmark the environments,""" start="00:15:55.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what some values are like the Ryzen 5700U""" start="00:15:56.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside my Acer Aspire,""" start="00:16:01.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's where I got the idea doing that.""" start="00:16:02.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make sure you do the RockM stuff correctly""" start="00:16:04.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the GUI extensions. 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video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it really nice dedicated host.""" start="00:16:29.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You used to be able to buy these for about $1200 now""" start="00:16:31.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the RAM price increase,""" start="00:16:34.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you want to get 120 gig when you're pushing two brands so.""" start="00:16:35.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gets a little tighter.""" start="00:16:38.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Macs work remarkably well with AI.""" start="00:16:40.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My MacBook Air was one of my go-tos for a while,""" start="00:16:44.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but once I 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Mac Minis and the Mac Ultras and stuff like that""" start="00:17:02.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tend to work really well for that.""" start="00:17:04.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alex Ziskin on YouTube has a channel.""" start="00:17:06.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He does a lot of AI performance benchmarking,""" start="00:17:09.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like I load a 70 billion parameter model""" start="00:17:11.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on this mini PC and stuff like that.""" start="00:17:14.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a lot of fun and interesting stuff there.""" start="00:17:16.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's influencing my decision""" start="00:17:19.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to buy my next AI style PC.""" start="00:17:21.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Small domain specific LLMs are happening.""" start="00:17:22.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An LLM that has all your code and information,""" start="00:17:27.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it sounds like a really cool idea.""" start="00:17:29.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gives you capabilities to start training stuff""" start="00:17:31.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you couldn't do with like the big ones.""" start="00:17:34.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even with in terms of fine tuning and stuff,""" start="00:17:35.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One last thing to keep in mind is hallucinations are real.""" start="00:17:56.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will get BS back from the AI occasionally,""" start="00:18:00.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so do validate everything you get from it.""" start="00:18:02.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't be using it for court cases like some people have""" start="00:18:05.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run into those problems. 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And thanks for listening.""" start="00:18:32.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the links are at the end of the talk, if you have any questions.""" start="00:18:34.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if we got anything you want, Pat. You do.""" start="00:18:38.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've got a few questions.""" start="00:18:42.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hey, this is Corwin. Thank you so much. Thank you, Aaron.""" start="00:18:43.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What an awesome talk this was, actually.""" start="00:18:48.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't have a camera,""" start="00:18:50.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can get away with not having one too.""" start="00:18:52.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got, I'll turn the camera on.""" start="00:18:54.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. All right. I'll turn mine back on. Here I come.""" start="00:18:56.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so there are a few questions,""" start="00:19:01.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but first let me say thank you""" start="00:19:03.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a really captivating talk.""" start="00:19:04.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think a lot of people will be empowered from this""" start="00:19:06.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to do more with less, especially locally.""" start="00:19:10.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concerned about the data center footprint,""" start="00:19:15.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""environmentally concerned""" start="00:19:20.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the footprint of LLM inside data centers.""" start="00:19:23.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just thinking about how we can""" start="00:19:26.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""put infrastructure we have at home to use""" start="00:19:28.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get more done with less.""" start="00:19:32.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, the data center impact's interesting""" start="00:19:34.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there was a study a while ago.""" start="00:19:37.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone said every time you do a Gemini query,""" start="00:19:39.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's like boiling a cup of water.""" start="00:19:42.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I've heard that one too. So do you want to, you know,""" start="00:19:45.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know how much direction you want.""" start="00:19:48.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd be very happy to read out the questions for you.""" start="00:19:51.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that would be great.""" start="00:19:53.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm having trouble getting to that tab.""" start="00:19:55.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm there, so I'll put it into our chat too,""" start="00:19:57.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can follow along if you'd like.""" start="00:20:02.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question was, why is the David Bowie question""" start="00:20:07.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a good one to start with?""" start="00:20:11.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does it have interesting failure conditions""" start="00:20:12.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or what made you choose that?""" start="00:20:14.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First off, huge fan of David Bowie.""" start="00:20:17.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I came down to it really taught me a few things""" start="00:20:21.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how old the models work""" start="00:20:24.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of things like how many kids he had,""" start="00:20:26.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because deep seek, which is a very popular Chinese model""" start="00:20:28.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a lot of people are using now,""" start="00:20:31.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""misidentifies him having three daughters,""" start="00:20:33.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he has like one son and one, one, I think,""" start="00:20:35.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two sons and a daughter or something like that.""" start="00:20:38.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's differences on that and it just goes over""" start="00:20:40.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a whole lot of stuff""" start="00:20:43.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because his story spans like 60 years""" start="00:20:45.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it gives a good good feedback""" start="00:20:47.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the real main reason I asked that question""" start="00:20:49.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I just needed one that sea monkeys I just picked""" start="00:20:51.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it was obscure and just always have right""" start="00:20:53.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to have it right hello world and forth""" start="00:20:56.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I thought was an interesting one as well so""" start="00:20:58.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just picking random ones like that.""" start="00:21:01.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One question asked, sorry, a lot of models is,""" start="00:21:03.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is the closest star to the Earth?""" start="00:21:06.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because most of them will say Alpha Centauri""" start="00:21:09.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Proxima Centauri and not the sun.""" start="00:21:12.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I have a whole nother talk""" start="00:21:13.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I just argue with the LLM""" start="00:21:15.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to say, hey, the sun is a star.""" start="00:21:17.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And he just wouldn't accept it, so. What?""" start="00:21:20.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I can hear that.""" start="00:21:26.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what specific tasks do you like to use your local AI?""" start="00:21:28.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to load a lot of my code into""" start="00:21:34.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and actually have it do analysis of it.""" start="00:21:37.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was actually going through some code""" start="00:21:39.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have for some pen testing, and I was having it modified""" start="00:21:42.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to update it for the newer version,""" start="00:21:45.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I hate to say this,""" start="00:21:47.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was written for Python 2,""" start="00:21:48.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I needed to update it for Python 3.""" start="00:21:49.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the 2 to 3 tool did not do all of it,""" start="00:21:51.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the actual tool was able to do the refactoring.""" start="00:21:53.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's part of my laziness.""" start="00:21:56.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I use that for anything I don't want to hit the web.""" start="00:21:58.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a lot of stuff when you start thinking about""" start="00:22:01.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're doing cyber security researching.""" start="00:22:03.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have your white papers""" start="00:22:04.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that and stuff in there.""" start="00:22:06.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a lot of that loaded into RAG""" start="00:22:10.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one model on my OpenWebUI system.""" start="00:22:13.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Neat. Have you used have you used""" start="00:22:15.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any small domain specific LLMs? What kind of tasks?""" start="00:22:21.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If so, what kind of tasks that they specialize in?""" start="00:22:25.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you know, how?""" start="00:22:30.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not to be honest, but there are some out there like once again,""" start="00:22:32.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for cybersecurity and stuff like that,""" start="00:22:34.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I really need to dig into that's on my to do list.""" start="00:22:36.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a couple weeks off at the end of the year.""" start="00:22:39.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a big part of my plan for that.""" start="00:22:41.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are the various models updated pretty regularly?""" start="00:22:43.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you add your own data to the pre-built models?""" start="00:22:49.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. The models are updated pretty reasonably.""" start="00:22:52.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can add data to a model in a couple of different ways.""" start="00:22:56.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do something called fine-tuning,""" start="00:22:59.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which requires a really nice GPU and a lot of CPU time.""" start="00:23:01.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably not going to do that.""" start="00:23:03.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do retrieval augmentation generation,""" start="00:23:05.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is you load your data on top of the system""" start="00:23:07.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and puts inside a database""" start="00:23:09.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can actually scan that and stuff.""" start="00:23:11.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have another talk where I go through""" start="00:23:12.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I start asking questions about,""" start="00:23:14.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I load the talk into the engine""" start="00:23:16.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I ask questions against that.""" start="00:23:18.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would have one more time would have done that""" start="00:23:20.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it comes down to how many That's that's rag rag""" start="00:23:22.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pretty easy to do through open web UI or LM studio""" start="00:23:26.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a great way you just like point a folder""" start="00:23:29.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""point it to a folder and it just sucks all that state into""" start="00:23:31.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll hit that data first""" start="00:23:34.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have like helpdesk and stuff and""" start="00:23:35.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other options there's vector databases,""" start="00:23:36.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like if you use PostgreSQL.""" start="00:23:39.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a PG vector I can do a lot of that stuff.""" start="00:23:41.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've not dug into that yet,""" start="00:23:43.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that is also on that to-do list""" start="00:23:44.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a lot of stuff planned for Cool.""" start="00:23:46.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what are your experience with rags?""" start="00:23:48.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't even know what that means.""" start="00:23:51.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you know what that means?""" start="00:23:54.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you remember this question again?""" start="00:23:57.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is your experience with RAGs? RAGs is great.""" start="00:23:59.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's Retrieval Augmentation Generation.""" start="00:24:03.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That loads your data first, and it hits yours,""" start="00:24:07.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll actually cite it and stuff.""" start="00:24:09.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a guy who wrote a RAG in 100 lines of Python,""" start="00:24:11.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's an impressive piece of software.""" start="00:24:14.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think if you hit one of my site,""" start="00:24:16.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a private AI talk where I actually refer to that.""" start="00:24:18.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But retrieval augmentation, it's easy, it's fast,""" start="00:24:22.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it puts your data into the system,""" start="00:24:25.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, start with that and go then iterate on top of that.""" start="00:24:26.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one of the great things about AI,""" start="00:24:31.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially private AI,""" start="00:24:32.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is you can do whatever you want to with it""" start="00:24:33.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and build up with it as you get more experience.""" start="00:24:37.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any thoughts on running things""" start="00:24:43.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on AWS, DigitalOcean, and so on?""" start="00:24:44.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""AWS is not bad.""" start="00:24:49.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The DigitalOcean, they have some of their GPUs.""" start="00:24:50.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still don't like having the data""" start="00:24:52.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""leave my house, to be honest, or at work,""" start="00:24:54.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I tend to do some stuff""" start="00:24:57.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't want it even hitting that situation.""" start="00:24:59.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they have pretty good stuff.""" start="00:25:01.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another one to consider is Oracle Cloud.""" start="00:25:03.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oracle has their AI infrastructure that's really well done.""" start="00:25:05.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I mean, once again, then you start looking at potential""" start="00:25:09.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is saying your data is private,""" start="00:25:12.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't necessarily trust it.""" start="00:25:13.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they do have good stuff, both DigitalOcean, AWS,""" start="00:25:14.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oracle Cloud has the free service, which isn't too bad,""" start="00:25:17.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually a certain number of stuff.""" start="00:25:20.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Google's also has it,""" start="00:25:21.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I still tend to keep more stuff on local PCs,""" start="00:25:23.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I just paranoid that way. Gotcha.""" start="00:25:26.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What has your experience been using AI?""" start="00:25:33.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you want to get into that, using AI for cybersecurity?""" start="00:25:35.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might have already touched on this.""" start="00:25:40.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, really, for cybersecurity,""" start="00:25:42.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've had to do is I've dumped logs""" start="00:25:44.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have a due correlation.""" start="00:25:46.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, the size of that LLAMA file we were using""" start="00:25:47.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for figuring out David Bowie, writing the hello world,""" start="00:25:49.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all that stuff, is like six gig.""" start="00:25:52.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does it get the entire world in six gig?""" start="00:25:54.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still haven't figured that out in terms of quantization.""" start="00:25:56.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm really interested in seeing the ability""" start="00:25:59.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to take all this stuff out of all my logs,""" start="00:26:02.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dump it all in there,""" start="00:26:05.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and actually be able to do intelligent queries against that.""" start="00:26:06.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Microsoft has a project called Security Copilot,""" start="00:26:08.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is trying to do that in the Cloud.""" start="00:26:10.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I want to work on something to do that more locally""" start="00:26:12.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and be able to actually drive this stuff over that.""" start="00:26:15.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one also on the long-term goals.""" start="00:26:19.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we got any other questions or?""" start="00:26:21.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those are the questions that I see.""" start="00:26:26.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to just read out a couple of comments""" start="00:26:29.100" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I saw in IRC though.""" start="00:26:31.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jay Rutabaga says, it went very well""" start="00:26:33.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from an audience perspective.""" start="00:26:36.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And G Gundam says, respect your commitment to privacy.""" start="00:26:39.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then somebody is telling us""" start="00:26:43.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might have skipped a question.""" start="00:26:45.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm just going to run back to my list.""" start="00:26:46.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Updated regularly experience.""" start="00:26:50.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just didn't type in the answer here's""" start="00:26:52.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there's a couple more questions coming in so""" start="00:26:57.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there a disparity where you go to paid models""" start="00:26:59.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they are better and what problems?""" start="00:27:04.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know what would drive you to? That's a good question.""" start="00:27:08.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Paid models, I don't mind them. I think they're good,""" start="00:27:14.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't think they're actually economically sustainable""" start="00:27:17.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under their current system.""" start="00:27:21.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because right now, if you're paying""" start="00:27:22.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""20 bucks a month for Copilot and that goes up to 200 bucks,""" start="00:27:24.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to be as likely to use it.""" start="00:27:26.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know what I mean?""" start="00:27:28.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it does do some things in a way that I did not expect.""" start="00:27:29.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Grok was refactoring""" start="00:27:33.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of my code in the comments and dropped an F-bomb.""" start="00:27:35.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I did not see coming,""" start="00:27:38.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the other code before""" start="00:27:39.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I had gotten off GitHub""" start="00:27:41.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""had F bombs in it.""" start="00:27:43.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it was just emulating the style,""" start="00:27:44.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but would that be something""" start="00:27:45.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd want to turn in a pull request? I don't know.""" start="00:27:47.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But, uh, there's, there's a lot of money""" start="00:27:49.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going into these AIs and stuff,""" start="00:27:52.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in terms of the ability to get a decent one,""" start="00:27:53.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the llama, llama three, two,""" start="00:27:56.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and load your data into it, you can be pretty competitive.""" start="00:27:57.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're not going to get all the benefits,""" start="00:28:01.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you have more control over it.""" start="00:28:04.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's, it's a, this and that it's a,""" start="00:28:07.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a balancing act.""" start="00:28:11.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, and I think I see a couple more questions coming in.""" start="00:28:13.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is the largest parameter size for local models""" start="00:28:15.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you've been able to successfully run locally""" start="00:28:19.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do run into issues with limited context window size?""" start="00:28:22.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The top eight models will tend to have a larger ceiling.""" start="00:28:26.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.""" start="00:28:29.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, the context size is I think 1024.""" start="00:28:32.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I've upped it to 8192 on the on this box, the Pangolin""" start="00:28:37.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it seems to be some reason""" start="00:28:44.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just a very working quite well.""" start="00:28:46.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the largest ones I've loaded have been in""" start="00:28:49.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the have not been that huge.""" start="00:28:52.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've loaded this the last biggest one I've done.""" start="00:28:54.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the reason why I'm planning""" start="00:28:55.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on breaking down and buying a Ryzen.""" start="00:28:57.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I'm going to buy""" start="00:29:01.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Intel i285H with 96 gig of RAM.""" start="00:29:03.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I should be able to load""" start="00:29:06.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a 70 billion parameter model in that. How fast will it run?""" start="00:29:08.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to run slow as dog,""" start="00:29:12.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's going to be cool to be able to do it.""" start="00:29:13.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an AI bragging rights thing,""" start="00:29:15.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I mostly stick with the smaller size models""" start="00:29:17.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ones that are more quantitized""" start="00:29:20.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it just tends to work better for me.""" start="00:29:22.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've still got over 10 minutes before we're cutting away,""" start="00:29:26.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm just anticipating""" start="00:29:29.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're going to be going strong at the 10 minute mark.""" start="00:29:30.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm just, just letting, you know,""" start="00:29:32.860" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can go as long as we like here at a certain point.""" start="00:29:34.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I may have to jump away and check in with the next speaker,""" start="00:29:37.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we'll post the entirety of this,""" start="00:29:41.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if we aren't able to stay with it all.""" start="00:29:44.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. And we've got 10 minutes""" start="00:29:47.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we're still going to stay live.""" start="00:29:49.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So next question coming in, I see, are there free as in freedom,""" start="00:29:52.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""free as in FSF issues with the data?""" start="00:30:00.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, where's the data coming from is a huge question with AI.""" start="00:30:05.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's astonishing you can ask questions""" start="00:30:11.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to models that you don't know where it's coming from.""" start="00:30:13.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is gonna be one of the big issues long-term.""" start="00:30:16.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are people who are working""" start="00:30:19.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on trying to figure out that stuff,""" start="00:30:21.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's, I mean, if you look at, God,""" start="00:30:22.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember who it was.""" start="00:30:25.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody was actually out torrenting books""" start="00:30:27.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to be able to build into their AI system.""" start="00:30:28.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it might've been Meta.""" start="00:30:30.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a lot of that going on.""" start="00:30:32.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The open source of the stuff is going to be tough.""" start="00:30:34.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's going to be there's some models""" start="00:30:38.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the mobile guys have got their own license,""" start="00:30:39.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but where they're getting their data from,""" start="00:30:41.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure on so that that's a huge question.""" start="00:30:42.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a that's a talk in itself.""" start="00:30:45.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, but you if you train on your RAG and your data,""" start="00:30:47.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know what it's come, you know,""" start="00:30:51.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a license that""" start="00:30:53.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the other stuff is just""" start="00:30:54.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more lines of supplement""" start="00:30:55.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're using a smaller model,""" start="00:30:56.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the comment online, I see a couple of them.""" start="00:31:01.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll read them out in order here. Really interesting stuff.""" start="00:31:05.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your talk. 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If you hit Zyskin's website,""" start="00:33:00.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that guy's done some great work on it.""" start="00:33:03.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm trying to figure out how big a model you can do,""" start="00:33:05.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you can do with it.""" start="00:33:07.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And some of the stuff seems to be not obvious,""" start="00:33:08.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because like example, being that MacBook Air,""" start="00:33:12.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the five minutes I can run the model,""" start="00:33:15.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it runs it faster than a lot of other things""" start="00:33:17.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that should be able to run it faster,""" start="00:33:19.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just because of the way the ARM cores and the unified memory work on it.""" start="00:33:21.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a learning process.""" start="00:33:24.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want to, Network Chuck had a great video""" start="00:33:26.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talking about building his own system""" start="00:33:29.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a couple really powerful NVIDIA cards""" start="00:33:30.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that in it.""" start="00:33:34.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just actually setting up on his system as a node""" start="00:33:35.380" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and using a web UI on it. 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It's well done.""" start="00:34:22.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an honor to be on the stage""" start="00:34:26.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the brains of the project, which is you.""" start="00:34:28.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what else we got? 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Right, fair.""" start="00:37:34.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So tool calling can be read-only,""" start="00:37:37.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as giving models the ability to search the web""" start="00:37:39.900" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before answering your question,""" start="00:37:42.540" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, write access, execute access.""" start="00:37:43.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm interested to know if local models""" start="00:37:46.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are any good at that.""" start="00:37:49.220" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, local models can do a lot of that stuff.""" start="00:37:51.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's their capabilities.""" start="00:37:55.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you load LM studio, you can do a lot of wonderful stuff""" start="00:37:56.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with that or with open web UI with a llama.""" start="00:37:59.020" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a lot of capabilities. It's amazing.""" start="00:38:02.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Open web UI is actually what a lot of companies are using now""" start="00:38:05.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put their data behind that.""" start="00:38:08.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're curated data and stuff like that. So works well.""" start="00:38:10.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can confirm that from my own professional experience.""" start="00:38:12.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excellent. Okay, well, our timing should be just perfect""" start="00:38:15.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to give us like a 30-second, 45-second wrap-up.""" start="00:38:19.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aaron, let me squeeze in mine.""" start="00:38:22.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again so much for preparing this talk""" start="00:38:24.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for entertaining all of our questions.""" start="00:38:26.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let me just thank you guys for the conference again.""" start="00:38:30.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a great one. I've enjoyed a lot of it.""" start="00:38:33.300" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've only had a couple of talks so far,""" start="00:38:35.180" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm looking forward to hitting the ones after this and tomorrow.""" start="00:38:37.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the AI stuff is coming. Get on board.""" start="00:38:41.660" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely recommend it. If you want to just try it out""" start="00:38:44.740" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a little taste of it,""" start="00:38:46.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what my minimal viable product""" start="00:38:48.420" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with just LlamaFile and GPTEL""" start="00:38:49.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will get you to the point where you start figuring out.""" start="00:38:51.620" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gptel is an amazing thing. It just gets out of your way,""" start="00:38:53.140" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it works solo with Emacs. Design because it takes""" start="00:38:55.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't take your hands off the keyboard.""" start="00:39:00.460" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just another buffer""" start="00:39:01.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you just put information in there.""" start="00:39:02.500" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's quite quite a wonderful It's a wonderful time.""" start="00:39:04.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's put that way That's all I got Thank you""" start="00:39:06.980" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so much for once again, and we're we're just cut away.""" start="00:39:10.820" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll stop the recording""" start="00:39:14.340" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're on your own recognizance""" start="00:39:15.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I'm gonna punch out""" start="00:39:18.260" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if anybody has any questions or anything""" start="00:39:19.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my email address is ajgrothe@yahoo.com or at gmail and""" start="00:39:21.060" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all for attending""" start="00:39:24.700" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks again for the conference""" start="00:39:26.780" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and end the room there, thank you.""" start="00:39:29.940" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Excellent, thanks, bye.""" start="00:39:32.580" video="mainVideo-private-ai" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/private-ai-nav.md b/2025/info/private-ai-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f1da6dba --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/private-ai-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/llm">Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/commonlisp">Common Lisp images communicating like-a-human through shared Emacs slime and eev</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/python-after.md b/2025/info/python-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..508a4acc --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/python-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,548 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="python-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Okay, so welcome to this session about interactive Python""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming. My name is David Vujic and I live and work in""" start="00:00:04.440" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stockholm, Sweden. a developer and today I focus""" start="00:00:09.680" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly on Python software development. So I do this at work""" start="00:00:15.320" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I also do this on my spare time in my open source projects.""" start="00:00:20.440" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before that, I've been part of the Lisp community. I've""" start="00:00:26.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been a Clojure developer, and also, like, way back,""" start="00:00:30.480" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was in the Microsoft world and developed C# and .NET stuff.""" start="00:00:33.701" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I've been doing lately is to try to improve the""" start="00:00:40.280" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developer experience when you write Python code. So what I""" start="00:00:46.000" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to talk about is this, but also I want to begin with""" start="00:00:52.400" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback loops because I think it's very related to this""" start="00:00:56.160" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactive programming style, like having this nice""" start="00:01:00.840" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feedback when you write code.""" start="00:01:05.360" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to begin with that.""" start="00:01:07.068" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Feedback loops""" start="00:01:10.534" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So this image, you know, this circle is supposed to be a""" start="00:01:10.534" video="mainVideo-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""visualization of a feedback loop. 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Great.""" start="00:11:40.840" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, those things that I showed in my talk,""" start="00:11:41.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't made any, I haven't packaged it yet,""" start="00:11:46.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but everything is on my GitHub,""" start="00:11:49.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've tried to separate each feature""" start="00:11:51.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in separate LSP files.""" start="00:11:57.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it should be, I hope that it's fairly straightforward""" start="00:11:59.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to understand how it's set up. Very good.""" start="00:12:04.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just scroll down,""" start="00:12:08.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sure I'm not missing questions here.""" start="00:12:11.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I think those are the questions that we have.""" start="00:12:13.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can take a couple more minutes if you're open to that,""" start="00:12:16.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just for people to consider.""" start="00:12:20.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know we're coming up on the lunch hour,""" start="00:12:24.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it may be that people are jogging off to get some food.""" start="00:12:26.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, in Sweden, it's dinner time.""" start="00:12:31.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like 6 p.m. soon. That fits.""" start="00:12:36.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So are you involved with local Emacs meetups?""" start="00:12:40.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that your part of the world""" start="00:12:46.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a really brisk community,""" start="00:12:49.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, a lot of, just a lot going on.""" start="00:12:51.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm always seeing in Sacha's Emacs News,""" start="00:12:55.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of the different meetups and so on.""" start="00:12:58.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm curious if you're plugged""" start="00:13:02.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a local community there at all, No, I haven't.""" start="00:13:03.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not in any community. I haven't done that yet,""" start="00:13:08.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are like friends that I've gotten to know""" start="00:13:10.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through work and through like open source work that also use Emacs.""" start="00:13:15.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We talk and share our conflicts""" start="00:13:23.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically on a regular basis,""" start="00:13:28.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we are, at least in the Python community,""" start="00:13:30.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're like a minority,""" start="00:13:36.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like other editors are like the standards.""" start="00:13:37.400" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And at work, I'm sharing what I'm doing,""" start="00:13:39.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like my talk here to my fellow co-workers""" start="00:13:45.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are not on Emacs, but I hope to get their interest up.""" start="00:13:48.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So many of us Emacs users are Emacs evangelists.""" start="00:13:54.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. It's the Venn diagram of Emacs user""" start="00:13:59.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs evangelist is a circle, I think.""" start="00:14:06.202" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I think so too.""" start="00:14:08.869" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, David, I super appreciate your talk""" start="00:14:11.036" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thank you so much also for...""" start="00:14:16.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I saw another question here. Let me cover that.""" start="00:14:18.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you repeat the name of the LLM""" start="00:14:24.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you specifically mentioned there?""" start="00:14:27.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, it's a tool called ECA, E-C-A.""" start="00:14:30.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's basically a server and clients,""" start="00:14:36.785" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's not only Emacs. It has support for other editors,""" start="00:14:44.077" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think the primary support is for,""" start="00:14:49.161" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least the developer who does it is an Emacs user,""" start="00:14:53.120" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it's like Emacs first, basically.""" start="00:14:57.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And his name is Eric Dallo.""" start="00:15:01.040" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's a great developer in the Clojure community.""" start="00:15:04.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He has done some LSP work in the Clojure world, too.""" start="00:15:09.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What was the last name? What was Eric's last name?""" start="00:15:13.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eric Dallo, D-A-L-L-O. Yeah.""" start="00:15:17.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think that's a great tool, but I also use another tool""" start="00:15:23.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that for some reason I forgot to have this interactive way of,""" start="00:15:31.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I think they are developing that feature too,""" start="00:15:38.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have another LLM that has support""" start="00:15:43.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for requests and callbacks basically.""" start="00:15:46.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can do something programmatically.""" start="00:15:50.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how I've solved my LLM thing""" start="00:15:53.800" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I select some Python variables""" start="00:15:55.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and tell the LLM to populate it with some fake data""" start="00:16:00.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can send that to the REPL.""" start="00:16:05.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for some reason, I forgot the name of it.""" start="00:16:08.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can look it up. Just give me one minute, sorry.""" start="00:16:11.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh yeah gptel gptel that's that's the name of the other tool""" start="00:16:25.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is uh also a good tool yeah""" start="00:16:35.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but ECA is more like a more chat companion""" start="00:16:37.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this you can also you can tell it to write code and things like that""" start="00:16:41.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but i mostly use it for reviews and research""" start="00:16:46.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and like asking questions""" start="00:16:51.680" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because i want to my I don't have a problem with typing code.""" start="00:16:54.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think that slows me down,""" start="00:17:00.280" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but maybe getting some quick feedback""" start="00:17:01.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the actual work that I'm doing,""" start="00:17:05.640" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's what I'm using LLM for,""" start="00:17:07.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on LLM for two, mostly today. That really hits for me.""" start="00:17:09.000" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't mind typing either.""" start="00:17:13.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think somehow having things be so simple""" start="00:17:15.200" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in many cases just automated,""" start="00:17:18.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs just does the right thing.""" start="00:17:20.880" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes me hungry to type. I want to type more.""" start="00:17:22.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It feels like every keystroke does a little more.""" start="00:17:26.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Speaking of evangelism, thank you. Thank you""" start="00:17:28.560" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pop up for the for the question.""" start="00:17:33.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to peek one more time through""" start="00:17:35.600" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't see a backlog.""" start="00:17:39.440" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a couple more comments here""" start="00:17:41.160" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""linking linking to the ECA Emacs and gptel.""" start="00:17:44.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Comment also saying very cool setup.""" start="00:17:49.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I suppose I'll I'll hand it over to you""" start="00:17:52.240" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have kind of final thoughts or.""" start="00:17:56.960" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""additional wisdoms you want to share""" start="00:17:59.320" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really appreciate your taking the time to prepare this presentation""" start="00:18:02.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially to do the live Q&A with us. Thank you""" start="00:18:05.400" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I haven't anything more than that I will""" start="00:18:11.080" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course I will continue like have evolving my setup""" start="00:18:13.920" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's like new tools""" start="00:18:19.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe new ideas also coming up""" start="00:18:21.360" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my What I'm aiming for in Python development""" start="00:18:24.760" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the great developer experience""" start="00:18:28.720" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what's called Lisp programming, basically.""" start="00:18:30.480" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what I'm aiming at for Python 2.""" start="00:18:34.520" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you so much.""" start="00:18:41.700" video="qanda-python" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/python-nav.md b/2025/info/python-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d1d02d06 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/python-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/swanky">Swanky Python: Interactive development for Python</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/llm">Emacs, editors, and LLM driven workflows</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/reader-after.md b/2025/info/reader-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d6e736d0 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reader-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1192 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="reader-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""An introduction to the Emacs reader""" start="00:00:00.720" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello EmacsConf!""" start="00:00:00.720" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today I'm here to introduce you to the Emacs Reader.""" start="00:00:02.880" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a general-purpose document viewer""" start="00:00:06.640" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lives inside our beloved Emacs.""" start="00:00:08.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It tries to prioritize memory""" start="00:00:12.320" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and performance efficiency as much as possible""" start="00:00:14.160" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even when you're using a lower-end hardware.""" start="00:00:17.160" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, most importantly,""" start="00:00:20.520" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it tries to do things in an Emacs manner.""" start="00:00:22.120" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, it tries to integrate""" start="00:00:25.440" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with existing packages as much as possible""" start="00:00:27.000" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of reinventing the wheel.""" start="00:00:29.720" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And architecturally, it tries to take the advantage""" start="00:00:32.240" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of dynamic or native modules""" start="00:00:36.120" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which were introduced back in 2015 into Emacs.""" start="00:00:38.480" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Yet another document viewer in Emacs?""" start="00:00:44.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You would ask, why exactly do we need""" start="00:00:44.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another document viewer in Emacs?""" start="00:00:46.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't we already have the built-in DocView""" start="00:00:49.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the notorious pdf-tools?""" start="00:00:51.840" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, the built-in DocView has unusable latency,""" start="00:00:55.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to show you this later""" start="00:00:59.440" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I compare this with Emacs Reader.""" start="00:01:01.400" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The famous pdf-tools has actually multiple issues.""" start="00:01:04.600" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One, it is extremely memory-hungry""" start="00:01:08.080" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of what kind of PDFs you're reading.""" start="00:01:10.640" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, well, it can only read PDFs.""" start="00:01:14.400" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Poppler, the library which pdf-tools uses,""" start="00:01:17.940" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is actually sub-optimal,""" start="00:01:22.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially relative to MuPDF,""" start="00:01:23.880" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what Emacs Reader is based on.""" start="00:01:25.800" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pdf-tools is also extremely painful to install.""" start="00:01:28.560" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever installed pdf-tools,""" start="00:01:31.920" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know that it has a bunch of dependencies,""" start="00:01:34.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including a server that is supposedly packaged.""" start="00:01:38.480" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""across package managers, system package managers.""" start="00:01:42.320" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's extremely difficult to install""" start="00:01:45.062" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and painful to install.""" start="00:01:47.738" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, pdf-tools""" start="00:01:50.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since the last couple of years""" start="00:01:52.840" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has not been maintained as much.""" start="00:01:54.560" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's huge PRs that have been unnoticed and unmerged.""" start="00:01:56.560" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Architecture of Emacs Reader""" start="00:02:05.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Architecturally, Emacs Reader takes a distance""" start="00:02:05.760" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from both DocView and pdf-tools.""" start="00:02:09.000" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how DocView works is that""" start="00:02:12.560" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it basically wraps around""" start="00:02:15.400" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:02:38.640" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's the best you can do""" start="00:02:41.320" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by literally calling CLI tools""" start="00:02:42.520" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and outputting the images into Emacs.""" start="00:02:45.020" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How pdf-tools works is that it tries""" start="00:02:50.680" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have a server-client model.""" start="00:02:55.040" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the client is Emacs""" start="00:02:57.480" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the server is basically""" start="00:02:59.000" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something they call epdfinfo.""" start="00:03:00.560" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's supposed to render the images using Poppler""" start="00:03:03.000" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then send the images to Emacs""" start="00:03:07.241" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which then tries to display.""" start="00:03:10.920" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the server client model is terrible.""" start="00:03:13.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One, for latency purposes,""" start="00:03:16.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and two, it makes things""" start="00:03:18.080" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unnecessarily more complicated.""" start="00:03:19.840" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is where we come""" start="00:03:21.800" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and introduce dynamic modules.""" start="00:03:24.200" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs Reader is based on""" start="00:03:26.680" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the concept of dynamic modules""" start="00:03:30.580" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I'm going to talk about in a bit.""" start="00:03:32.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But how it works is that we have C modules.""" start="00:03:34.280" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have the emacs-module.h,""" start="00:03:37.160" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the dynamic module header""" start="00:03:39.040" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which every dynamic module package must have.""" start="00:03:40.680" video="mainVideo-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we have our C files.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to install from new PDF anyways.""" start="00:00:36.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, um, I think it is almost expected""" start="00:00:38.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you install new PDF from system package manager.""" start="00:00:42.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, and I think that as it is, is better""" start="00:00:46.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we don't really need to have""" start="00:00:49.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a whole PDF engine inside Emacs.""" start="00:00:51.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, Next question also from the pad,""" start="00:00:53.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dynamic module some great,""" start="00:00:59.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's amazing that they've been there since 2017.""" start="00:01:01.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why do you think they've been slowly""" start="00:01:06.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so slow to get adopted?""" start="00:01:09.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there a prior art with them? Right?""" start="00:01:11.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a good question.""" start="00:01:14.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I think 1 of the reasons is that.""" start="00:01:16.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most of the time, I think people love Emacs""" start="00:01:22.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they can do so much with Elisp.""" start="00:01:24.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think certainly there is a bias""" start="00:01:27.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""towards trying to do things with Elisp.""" start="00:01:28.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's only a sort of specific class of problems""" start="00:01:31.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can solve with dynamic modules,""" start="00:01:35.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as this, where you want to use a native library""" start="00:01:36.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do something in a faster, better way.""" start="00:01:40.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use that quite a lot.""" start="00:01:44.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's of course libvterm, which uses a dynamic module""" start="00:01:48.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it does it really well.""" start="00:01:53.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think there's another one, a plotting library""" start="00:01:55.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or package in Emacs that was using something from Python.""" start="00:02:00.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, dynamic modules are good,""" start="00:02:05.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think they don't really come""" start="00:02:07.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the surface level packages, your day-to-day packages,""" start="00:02:10.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because most of the day-to-day packages that we use in Emacs""" start="00:02:13.975" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be done with Elisp. So, unless you really need""" start="00:02:17.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something system-level efficient,""" start="00:02:20.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most of the time, you don't want to write C or C++ or something.""" start="00:02:23.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there is actually a really nice Rust crate for native modules,""" start="00:02:29.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there's a really nice Haskell package.""" start="00:02:34.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's actually really good support""" start="00:02:37.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for multiple languages.""" start="00:02:39.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's there, it's just not used as much. Yeah.""" start="00:02:41.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what you're saying is""" start="00:02:45.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if Elisp weren't so simple to learn and easy to use""" start="00:02:47.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so fully featured,""" start="00:02:51.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'd get a lot more mileage""" start="00:02:52.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of this super cool dynamic module feature.""" start="00:02:54.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Cool I'll take I'll bring in the next question.""" start="00:02:57.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How how? How difficult is our PDF tools to install?""" start="00:03:02.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The questioner is installing it""" start="00:03:07.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the built-in package manager""" start="00:03:10.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at the Emacs reader installation instructions""" start="00:03:12.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't necessarily cover""" start="00:03:16.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how how to install that easily""" start="00:03:18.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""person is not using use package or straight and Okay.""" start="00:03:20.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, and they say that you didn't""" start="00:03:25.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""catch much of this in the presentation.""" start="00:03:27.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so you want me to skip that or should I answer?""" start="00:03:32.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's your choice. If you would like to say more.""" start="00:03:35.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I think just as a thing,""" start="00:03:38.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the reason I said PDF tools is difficult""" start="00:03:40.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is PDF tools has a huge list of dependencies.""" start="00:03:43.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only thing Emacs Vita depends""" start="00:03:45.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on is new PDF, nothing else. There's a single dependency.""" start="00:03:47.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PDF tools depends on a lot of things""" start="00:03:50.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they have their own server,""" start="00:03:54.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is packaged as a system package,""" start="00:03:57.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you don't really find everywhere.""" start="00:04:00.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's like systems, the new Linux systems""" start="00:04:02.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the package is very difficult to build""" start="00:04:05.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of so many dependencies.""" start="00:04:07.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my goal was to sort of reduce""" start="00:04:10.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the number of dependencies.""" start="00:04:13.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then right now it's very, it's sort of a key""" start="00:04:14.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to install Emacs Reader.""" start="00:04:19.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once we go to GNU Elpa, it's just""" start="00:04:21.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be Emacs package install, just that.""" start="00:04:23.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now you have to do package VC""" start="00:04:26.000" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bit. Boy, we get spoiled as""" start="00:04:27.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs users. Everything just gets so easy""" start="00:04:32.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for us. It's like an IDE for our""" start="00:04:35.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whole machine. What tools did you use to measure the""" start="00:04:37.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""memory usage between the three packages?""" start="00:04:44.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's a good question.""" start="00:04:48.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So during my development, I used mostly for debugging""" start="00:04:50.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""purposes Valgrind. So Valgrind is a a set of suite""" start="00:04:54.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of debugging tools.""" start="00:05:00.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And one of the tools that it has is Massive.""" start="00:05:01.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a heap analyzer, heap profiler.""" start="00:05:03.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Valgrind plus Massive,""" start="00:05:08.920" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then there's a KDE package""" start="00:05:10.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called Massive Visualizer.""" start="00:05:14.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I first get the Massive output using Valgrind,""" start="00:05:15.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then put that output into Massive Visualizer.""" start="00:05:19.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That gives me the grasp.""" start="00:05:23.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there Emacs integrations for those components at all?""" start="00:05:24.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does Valgrind have them?""" start="00:05:28.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think so. 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Awesome opportunity""" start="00:05:42.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there for someone spunky.""" start="00:05:47.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How is conversion between Elisp and foreign language types?""" start="00:05:49.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, when interfacing with the C++ library""" start="00:05:55.400" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that makes heavy use of the C++ object system and templates.""" start="00:05:59.040" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's a good question.""" start="00:06:03.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the go-to answer is the blog post that I wrote,""" start="00:06:05.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an extensive explanation""" start="00:06:10.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how the internals of dynamic modules work.""" start="00:06:12.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The short answer is that basically what happens""" start="00:06:14.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is anything that is compatible with C-ABI""" start="00:06:21.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you compile that language code,""" start="00:06:24.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so when I compile C++ code, I would have a particular API.""" start="00:06:27.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have a dynamic module API,""" start="00:06:33.560" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the emacs-module.h, the file that I showed.""" start="00:06:35.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to put that into your C++ package program""" start="00:06:39.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then link it to...""" start="00:06:45.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So emacs-module.h is basically going to...""" start="00:06:48.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like use things in your Emacs installation""" start="00:06:51.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to interact with this C++ language. 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I thought that was pretty clear.""" start="00:08:06.309" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm looking forward to seeing that blog post""" start="00:08:10.017" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and understanding what I glossed over""" start="00:08:12.017" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to understand from that explanation.""" start="00:08:13.642" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was great.""" start="00:08:15.861" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can one look at PDF metadata with Emacs Reader?""" start="00:08:18.421" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you do annotations? Does it understand forms?""" start="00:08:22.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can it handle encrypted PDFs?""" start="00:08:26.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In other words, I think reading between the lines,""" start="00:08:29.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wow, this is awesome.""" start="00:08:33.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there anything I can't do? You're right.""" start="00:08:34.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs Reader will be able to do all of those things.""" start="00:08:39.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can do annotations. It will be able to do forms.""" start="00:08:44.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we have an issue open for interpret PDFs.""" start="00:08:48.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing is, right now we are struggling with""" start="00:08:52.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making Emacs Reader be very efficient""" start="00:08:54.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of highlighting and text selection""" start="00:08:58.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of the challenges that I mentioned in the slides,""" start="00:09:02.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it will be able to do all that.""" start="00:09:05.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once we tackle the basic features""" start="00:09:07.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down in an efficient manner. Gotcha. Um.""" start="00:09:10.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Comment or questioner says,""" start="00:09:18.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I installed Emacs Reader already as promised. Great job.""" start="00:09:24.120" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How can I associate ODT files to open with Emacs Reader?""" start="00:09:28.800" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't really need to do anything.""" start="00:09:34.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You should be just able to do find file,""" start="00:09:38.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Control X, Control F, and open.""" start="00:09:40.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it should open with Emacs Reader""" start="00:09:42.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we have an auto mode list,""" start="00:09:45.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list that takes an ODT file""" start="00:09:47.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and opens it with reader mode.""" start="00:09:51.680" 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There will be occur searches.""" start="00:17:52.240" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There will be isearch enabled, isearch.""" start="00:17:56.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used to with PDF tools,""" start="00:17:59.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we would be like parity with the features,""" start="00:18:02.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the features that you're used to with PDF tools.""" start="00:18:06.440" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, so, uh, certainly occur anything""" start="00:18:08.720" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is important in Emacs with text""" start="00:18:12.600" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that can be done with PDFs.""" start="00:18:15.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We really want to do that because, um,""" start="00:18:17.360" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want the package to be as knitted""" start="00:18:19.840" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into Emacs ecosystem as possible.""" start="00:18:22.680" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. We'll see if we can get in this last question here.""" start="00:18:24.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have a timing expectation for ELPA?""" start="00:18:28.160" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, yeah, next major release essentially.""" start="00:18:30.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So next major release is most likely""" start="00:18:33.200" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be within a month or two.""" start="00:18:35.280" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once we have the next major release, we're going to be.""" start="00:18:37.320" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, timing couldn't be more perfect.""" start="00:18:39.640" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe this is a good, good point to break.""" start="00:18:43.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll be cutting away to the next talk""" start="00:18:45.520" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in just a couple of minutes.""" start="00:18:47.760" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let me say one more time how much""" start="00:18:48.880" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on behalf of all the attendees""" start="00:18:51.480" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the volunteers and all everybody,""" start="00:18:52.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, how much we appreciate your talks""" start="00:18:54.960" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, uh, your awesome contribution to the Emacs world.""" start="00:18:57.080" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks, Corwin.""" start="00:19:01.300" video="qanda-reader" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-reader" data=""" +00:00.720 An introduction to the Emacs reader +00:44.760 Yet another document viewer in Emacs? +02:05.760 Architecture of Emacs Reader +06:00.280 A word on dynamic modules +07:39.560 Features of Emacs Reader +07:56.760 Memory efficiency +11:18.720 Performance and speed +14:23.680 Scanned PDFs +17:08.960 System-level multi-threading +23:44.240 Native Emacs integrations +25:10.340 (Naive) dark mode +26:01.140 Challenges and further improvements +29:14.272 What Emacs can learn? +32:32.300 Contributing to the development +33:35.520 Acknowledgements + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 34:37 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-reader">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main.opus">Download --main.opus (30MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main.png">Download --main.png</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--main.webm">Download --main.webm (101MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/KQBXTSg_Occ">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-reader"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-reader--an-introduction-to-the-emacs-reader--divy--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/reader-nav.md b/2025/info/reader-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c0b83e2a --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reader-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/modern">Some problems of modernizing Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/weights">Weightlifting tracking with Emacs on Android</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/reference-after.md b/2025/info/reference-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..00456b05 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/reference-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,358 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="reference-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, hello everyone, welcome to EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:00.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Vidianos, and I'm a PhD student in KU Leuven,""" start="00:00:03.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'm going to be showing you""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how I managed to use Emacs as a reference manager,""" start="00:00:08.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacing what was for me Zotero,""" start="00:00:12.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a fully fledged approach inside Emacs.""" start="00:00:17.220" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, what is my typical reference workflow?""" start="00:00:24.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First I need to find literature,""" start="00:00:26.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I need to collect and organize it,""" start="00:00:28.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I originally did with Zotero,""" start="00:00:30.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now with Emacs centered tools""" start="00:00:32.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as zotra and ebib.""" start="00:00:36.612" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I create a reading list.""" start="00:00:39.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a new addition to my workflow""" start="00:00:41.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started doing after moving this approach to Emacs""" start="00:00:43.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because now everything is well integrated.""" start="00:00:47.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have made a very nice reading list implementation""" start="00:00:50.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside org-roam which I am going to be showing today.""" start="00:00:53.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then obviously I need to read the literature, take notes,""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize the notes, and ensure I am actually learning""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from what I am reading. This is then done through packages""" start="00:01:04.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as org-noter and org-roam""" start="00:01:06.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and is not going to be the focus of this talk.""" start="00:01:09.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I already gave a talk about this part of my workflow,""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've been doing for many years now.""" start="00:01:14.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find that""" start="00:01:17.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can find many other people's approaches""" start="00:01:20.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reading literature and taking notes""" start="00:01:23.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as it is quite a popular topic in the Emacs community.""" start="00:01:26.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lastly, I will have a short section""" start="00:01:31.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how I ensure that I can recall the knowledge""" start="00:01:32.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from this literature very easily""" start="00:01:37.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through this reference management system.""" start="00:01:39.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Capture""" start="00:01:43.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, how can we capture an article in Emacs?""" start="00:01:43.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the most commonly known packages is doi-utils""" start="00:01:48.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where doi-utils has a lot of useful things to do""" start="00:01:52.100" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one of them is to capture a paper,""" start="00:01:58.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you need a DOI, and for me, that is a bit inconvenient,""" start="00:02:03.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because what I want to do is that""" start="00:02:06.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a URL here of a paper,""" start="00:02:08.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to just copy this URL, not copy the DOI,""" start="00:02:12.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and be able to save it immediately to my bib file.""" start="00:02:16.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that can now be done""" start="00:02:23.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through this function zotra-add-entry.""" start="00:02:24.312" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you can see here,""" start="00:02:27.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is also a zotra-download-attachment""" start="00:02:28.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that sometimes works, but not always.""" start="00:02:31.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't personally recommend it.""" start="00:02:34.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the problem is that due to articles being""" start="00:02:35.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""locked behind paywalls in many cases,""" start="00:02:39.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""downloading attachments doesn't work""" start="00:02:42.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through Emacs. Sometimes it doesn't work""" start="00:02:45.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through Zotero. Sometimes you just need to go to the browser,""" start="00:02:47.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say download PDF, and that's the only solution""" start="00:02:51.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will properly work.""" start="00:02:54.260" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how do I then add this to the paper?""" start="00:02:58.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to find this paper that is here""" start="00:03:01.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through ivy-bibtex.""" start="00:03:04.712" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the bib file manager I use.""" start="00:03:05.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is also others like citar.""" start="00:03:10.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think citar has much better coding and integration""" start="00:03:11.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other packages, but I haven't really bothered""" start="00:03:15.560" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to move from ivy-bibtex""" start="00:03:18.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it does basically everything I want perfectly.""" start="00:03:19.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I go here, say add pdf to library.""" start="00:03:24.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find where I saved it,""" start="00:03:28.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will suggest to automatically name it something""" start="00:03:31.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in full integration""" start="00:03:35.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the rest of my Emacs packages,""" start="00:03:37.446" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the literature management stuff""" start="00:03:40.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knows to find it with this exact name.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it iss saved and now""" start="00:03:46.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I try to create a file from this,""" start="00:03:49.046" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I will show later,""" start="00:03:53.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see that the file will already appear there.""" start="00:03:55.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Organizing""" start="00:04:00.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now let's go to organizing.""" start="00:04:00.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Organizing in Zotero is typically done through a""" start="00:04:06.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hierarchical folder structure.""" start="00:04:09.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very familiar to most people and generally works,""" start="00:04:10.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but being someone that takes notes using the Zettelkasten method,""" start="00:04:15.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has a fully flat hierarchy, nothing goes in folders,""" start="00:04:19.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything is in the same folder,""" start="00:04:24.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you find everything because it's connected to other things.""" start="00:04:27.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some basic indexes,""" start="00:04:31.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from where you can jump to different points.""" start="00:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love this structure, so I also wanted to include it""" start="00:04:37.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my bibliography management,""" start="00:04:41.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because with folders you have problems like,""" start="00:04:42.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this article can go in that folder, can go in that folder,""" start="00:04:45.580" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can go in that folder. Where do I actually put it?""" start="00:04:48.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do I put copies of it in different folders?""" start="00:04:51.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just confusing and not really practical in my opinion.""" start="00:04:54.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I tried to do this approach inside Emacs.""" start="00:04:59.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Ebib""" start="00:05:03.479" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And how? With Ebib.""" start="00:05:03.479" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ebib is an amazing software built inside Emacs.""" start="00:05:08.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a reference manager and it works absolutely amazing""" start="00:05:11.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you configure it to your liking.""" start="00:05:15.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's open ebib first.""" start="00:05:18.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the interface you will see when opening.""" start="00:05:21.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, by default you will not see anything,""" start="00:05:23.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have open three bib files.""" start="00:05:27.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are opened by default on boot of ebib for me.""" start="00:05:30.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are my three main master bib files.""" start="00:05:36.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the Zotero master bib file,""" start="00:05:39.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which only Zotero can touch. If I change it,""" start="00:05:41.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will be overwritten. This is my new master bib,""" start="00:05:44.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I save all the files that I have now started using""" start="00:05:47.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after switching to this approach.""" start="00:05:53.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this is the master bib file""" start="00:05:55.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for literature related to my PhD""" start="00:05:59.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things that I have already read.""" start="00:06:02.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a very convenient interface.""" start="00:06:07.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is also search. There is one searching tool,""" start="00:06:09.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the jump to entry, ebib-jump-to-entry,""" start="00:06:14.141" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which searches through all open bib files for the title.""" start="00:06:16.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, I can search for membrane fabrication,""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's something I am currently doing,""" start="00:06:29.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and go to this. There is another searching tool,""" start="00:06:35.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ebib-search, which searches through the database""" start="00:06:41.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're on right now""" start="00:06:45.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it does a full text search,""" start="00:06:48.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not only in the titles, but everywhere.""" start="00:06:50.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, I see that in this paper""" start="00:06:53.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I go to the abstract and search for the word FTIR,""" start="00:06:57.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a chemical analysis,""" start="00:07:04.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will tell me that it's here.""" start="00:07:06.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can it find it anywhere else? It cannot. That's okay.""" start="00:07:09.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's search for something""" start="00:07:16.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we'll be able to find more easily,""" start="00:07:18.112" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, for example, membrane crystallization""" start="00:07:21.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a main focus of my PhD.""" start="00:07:24.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it will be able to find it many times,""" start="00:07:27.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""many, many times.""" start="00:07:30.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also search on the next database""" start="00:07:35.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or on this database and see where is everything that I want.""" start="00:07:40.300" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is different searching tools which are very useful.""" start="00:07:49.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Filters""" start="00:07:55.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then there's also another tool, that is, filters.""" start="00:07:55.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can filter on any field.""" start="00:08:01.701" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, for example, let's say on any field,""" start="00:08:06.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say I'm looking now again""" start="00:08:09.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for membrane crystallization.""" start="00:08:13.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will now filter to all entries.""" start="00:08:16.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see right now there's 18 entries here""" start="00:08:19.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that mention these two words together in any field.""" start="00:08:22.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes this is easier, because this is permanent.""" start="00:08:28.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like the search that we find one""" start="00:08:31.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then if you move, you've lost it,""" start="00:08:33.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you need to find it again.""" start="00:08:35.219" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is permanent until I say,""" start="00:08:37.886" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay, cancel the filter.""" start="00:08:39.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mostly work with filters,""" start="00:08:41.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think they're the most convenient.""" start="00:08:43.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there's also the ebib-list-recent""" start="00:08:47.060" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is another very useful command.""" start="00:08:49.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It asks you for a number of days""" start="00:08:51.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will show you the files that were added""" start="00:08:53.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the most 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are files that maybe I haven't read yet,""" start="00:09:21.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I was planning to read. So this is something useful.""" start="00:09:25.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although for things I'm planning to read,""" start="00:09:31.100" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mostly use the reading list""" start="00:09:33.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to show next.""" start="00:09:34.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Dependent databases""" start="00:09:36.179" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But before that,""" start="00:09:36.179" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a few more neat things that you can do in Ebib.""" start="00:09:37.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have a list of dependent databases.""" start="00:09:41.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For ease, I have already opened them here.""" start="00:09:45.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These, as you can see, have two brackets here,""" start="00:09:48.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indicating that they're dependent on phd_literature_1.bib,""" start="00:09:52.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these, in my case, act as the sort of index file,""" start="00:09:59.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I am tagging things based on the structure""" start="00:10:06.379" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I wanted to have for the organization.""" start="00:10:10.912" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all the organization is flat,""" start="00:10:14.652" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the literature is in phd_literature_1,""" start="00:10:16.479" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""however, I have this file""" start="00:10:20.146" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has 14 entries.""" start="00:10:23.420" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have another file here that has 20 entries.""" start="00:10:25.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And these are smaller indexes""" start="00:10:32.900" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I can find things easier,""" start="00:10:35.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but things are not limited to one of these.""" start="00:10:38.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things can be in all of these, or probably not all of these,""" start="00:10:41.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but can be in three or four of these very easily.""" start="00:10:45.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And how you add things is that I go here,""" start="00:10:50.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I say not r, it's... M for the dependent databases,""" start="00:10:55.220" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I add entry, and it will tell me""" start="00:11:00.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Where do you want to add this?"""" start="00:11:02.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when I read a new paper,""" start="00:11:03.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can say okay, this is related to these three tags,""" start="00:11:05.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is sort of like, again,""" start="00:11:09.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's tagging it and it's putting it""" start="00:11:11.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there, there, and there.""" start="00:11:13.186" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this creates a flat structure""" start="00:11:15.060" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that however has a great organization,""" start="00:11:17.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to how Zettelkasten works""" start="00:11:21.620" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I really like working with something like this,""" start="00:11:23.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with dependent databases.""" start="00:11:27.880" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another feature that I really like,""" start="00:11:33.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another feature that exists by default... But if I tag,""" start="00:11:36.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this tagging is done through "m",""" start="00:11:41.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I can tag different files here,""" start="00:11:45.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is to do different actions with these together,""" start="00:11:49.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as, for example,""" start="00:11:52.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copy them to a different file,""" start="00:11:53.586" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with "x" I can export the entries somewhere else,""" start="00:11:55.586" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are many things that you can do""" start="00:11:59.460" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading lists""" start="00:12:50.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now let's finally move to reading list.""" start="00:12:50.540" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reading list in ebib""" start="00:12:54.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reminds me a lot of the philosophy that Emacs uses.""" start="00:12:55.400" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, it is extremely bare bones, not very usable,""" start="00:13:00.260" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it is so customizable, to where you can do""" start="00:13:05.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything that you can imagine through it""" start="00:13:10.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the limit truly is your imagination.""" start="00:13:13.020" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's how much you can code into this""" start="00:13:16.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that actually makes sense""" start="00:13:21.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can actually imagine it working.""" start="00:13:22.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Besides that, you can do anything really.""" start="00:13:25.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can open ebib and try to find this paper""" start="00:13:31.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I just added here.""" start="00:13:36.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can create a reading list entry from it.""" start="00:13:42.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, my reading list prompts me""" start="00:13:48.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a priority for this.""" start="00:13:52.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How urgent it is for me to read this.""" start="00:13:53.419" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It adds a TO-READ, which is a todo entry,""" start="00:13:57.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which helps with organizing my reading list,""" start="00:14:02.220" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because as you may also be able to see, this has an ID,""" start="00:14:04.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is an org-roam node,""" start="00:14:08.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the TO-READ allows me to organize it inside org-roam.""" start="00:14:11.580" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It saves the citekey, the link to the paper,""" start="00:14:16.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also tags it with the parent file node""" start="00:14:21.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't like having orphan nodes in my Zettelkasten.""" start="00:14:25.980" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like everything to be linked to at least one thing.""" start="00:14:30.380" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So everything in the reading list""" start="00:14:33.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is linked to the parent file.""" start="00:14:35.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I can find this in the org-roam-node-find menu,""" start="00:14:39.300" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. However, that's not very interesting.""" start="00:14:47.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In practice, my typical org-roam-node-find""" start="00:14:53.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does not even include these reading list files""" start="00:14:56.240" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't really care to have them there.""" start="00:14:59.760" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Special org-roam-node-find""" start="00:15:02.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I have a special org-roam-node-find""" start="00:15:02.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is designed to find these in particular.""" start="00:15:06.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here these have 22. 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It needs to be A,""" start="00:17:05.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is more urgent.""" start="00:17:08.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In my system, there's five different priority levels.""" start="00:17:11.900" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can get away with less""" start="00:17:16.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I like to have the very much low ones""" start="00:17:18.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as this is not urgent at all""" start="00:17:20.960" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I want to keep it somewhere. A is very urgent""" start="00:17:23.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and B is urgent but just below A.""" start="00:17:27.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the C in the middle is just""" start="00:17:31.780" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will eventually read this""" start="00:17:34.620" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not something I want to focus my attention on right now.""" start="00:17:36.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is mostly about reading list.""" start="00:17:41.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also show, for example,""" start="00:17:45.440" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have this if I finalize something,""" start="00:17:46.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I read it. For example, I created a note for this new thing.""" start="00:17:50.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I finished reading it.""" start="00:17:56.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to remove from my reading list.""" start="00:17:59.080" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also just one command and it's done.""" start="00:18:02.180" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Annotations""" start="00:18:05.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If we now return to the presentation,""" start="00:18:05.640" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last thing I want to show is annotations.""" start="00:18:08.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for annotations, it's the idea that sometimes""" start="00:18:11.700" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just need to find something in Ebib quickly.""" start="00:18:17.120" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm here and I'm looking for something.""" start="00:18:23.140" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I said I'm here and I'm looking for something.""" start="00:18:26.680" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you can see, there's the annote file everywhere,""" start="00:18:31.000" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the annote entry, which is a very very small description""" start="00:18:35.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of things that I want to remember for this paper.""" start="00:18:40.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can be scrolling here or scrolling""" start="00:18:43.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one of the smaller files""" start="00:18:48.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and saying this was in this subsection,""" start="00:18:51.812" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and which paper was it, and I can scroll,""" start="00:18:56.860" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read all these annotes.""" start="00:18:59.520" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each annote takes like 15 seconds to read,""" start="00:19:01.712" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and really decide, okay,""" start="00:19:04.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was this paper that I wanted, good.""" start="00:19:07.360" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I can open the note for it, go there, and it's very easy.""" start="00:19:09.800" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:19:21.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I think that's all. I would like to thank you for your time.""" start="00:19:21.820" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would love to see your questions either in IRC,""" start="00:19:25.720" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be, maybe I've already answered""" start="00:19:29.320" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of your questions there in the Etherpad,""" start="00:19:32.200" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or right now, we're going to the live Q&A""" start="00:19:35.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'd love to interact with everyone and have a discussion.""" start="00:19:37.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, if you don't have any questions right now,""" start="00:19:42.160" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you have a question later on, feel free to send me an email.""" start="00:19:44.480" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My mail is also on the site.""" start="00:19:48.560" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're curious how all this "magic" worked,""" start="00:19:51.740" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to go to my Github and see the ebib section""" start="00:19:54.600" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here that will also be linked in the doc page,""" start="00:20:00.840" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can see all the configuration""" start="00:20:04.040" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have done in Ebib for everything to work.""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again and have a wonderful EmacsConf!""" start="00:20:10.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Welcome to EmacsConf, where we have fun""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exploring just how much we can do with a text editor.""" start="00:00:02.247" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:05.485" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:07.925" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:09.484" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:11.079" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:13.216" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Watching and participating""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:19.393" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:22.486" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:24.910" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:28.885" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:31.186" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:34.388" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also web-based players""" start="00:00:37.275" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case that's all you've got.""" start="00:00:39.241" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule shows the General track on top""" start="00:00:41.378" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Development track on the bottom,""" start="00:00:44.064" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can see what else is going on.""" start="00:00:45.603" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you're watching the talks,""" start="00:00:47.820" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can refer to the schedule in another window.""" start="00:00:49.819" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hover over the boxes to see the times and titles,""" start="00:00:52.355" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and click on the boxes in the schedule""" start="00:00:55.601" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the talk's page for more details.""" start="00:00:57.614" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other schedule formats""" start="00:01:00.607" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can also get the schedule as an iCalendar file""" start="00:01:00.607" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as an Org file in different time zones.""" start="00:01:03.587" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Org file has some links to talk resources""" start="00:01:05.621" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and might be handy 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video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by clicking on the BBB link""" start="00:01:25.901" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule page or the talk's webpage.""" start="00:01:27.467" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can ask your questions yourself when the Q&A starts.""" start="00:01:30.176" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To improve performance, please keep your webcam off""" start="00:01:34.215" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stay muted until it's your turn to talk.""" start="00:01:37.211" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't like Javascript,""" start="00:01:39.890" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can still ask questions via IRC""" start="00:01:41.692" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the hosts can read 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+[[!template text="""You can use #emacsconf for hallway conversations.""" start="00:03:29.475" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Captions""" start="00:03:32.778" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Once again, we're going to be streaming with open captions""" start="00:03:32.778" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for most of the talks this year, thanks to our speakers and""" start="00:03:35.588" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captioning volunteers.""" start="00:03:38.480" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The captioned talks are indicated on the schedule,""" start="00:03:39.896" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with any luck, we'll be posting""" start="00:03:42.523" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""videos and transcripts on 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in the #emacsconf-org IRC channel,""" start="00:04:01.744" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we will be quietly panicking.""" start="00:04:05.263" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Guidelines for conduct""" start="00:04:07.282" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""In all of these conversations, please keep in mind""" start="00:04:07.282" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our guidelines for conduct.""" start="00:04:09.705" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find them on the wiki,""" start="00:04:11.239" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they basically boil down to: please be nice. Thank you!""" start="00:04:12.620" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Videos""" start="00:04:16.020" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If all goes well, the prerecorded talks and transcripts""" start="00:04:16.020" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be available from the talk pages""" start="00:04:18.892" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shortly after they start playing,""" start="00:04:20.538" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll post the recordings of live talks""" start="00:04:22.039" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Q&A sessions within the next few weeks.""" start="00:04:24.144" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Let's get started!""" start="00:04:26.776" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right, let's get going.""" start="00:04:26.776" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might see Leo Vivier, Corwin Brust,""" start="00:04:28.248" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Amin Bandali hosting the various tracks.""" start="00:04:31.215" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will run around mostly backstage,""" start="00:04:33.954" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you'll probably meet us in the closing remarks.""" start="00:04:35.768" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also where we get to thank""" start="00:04:37.794" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people and organizations""" start="00:04:39.244" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make EmacsConf possible.""" start="00:04:40.660" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's have fun at EmacsConf!""" start="00:04:42.550" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sat-open-nav.md b/2025/info/sat-open-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e7317183 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sat-open-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/org-babel">Making Org-Babel reactive</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/schemacs-after.md b/2025/info/schemacs-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..65fe55f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/schemacs-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,924 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="schemacs-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hi, EmacsConf 2025. My name is Ramin Honary,""" start="00:00:01.060" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd like to talk to you today""" start="00:00:05.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about my project called Schemacs""" start="00:00:07.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I presented last year.""" start="00:00:10.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Back then it was called "Gypsum"""" start="00:00:12.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the name has since changed.""" start="00:00:13.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my name is Ramin Honary.""" start="00:00:18.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm an Emacs enthusiast, have been since 2017 or so.""" start="00:00:20.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a full stack software developer.""" start="00:00:25.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love Haskell, Scheme,""" start="00:00:27.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything functional programming related,""" start="00:00:29.301" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course Emacs.""" start="00:00:31.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started learning Scheme about three years ago,""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is my third time presenting""" start="00:00:36.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:38.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the Schemacs project that I'm talking to,""" start="00:00:40.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm talking about to you today,""" start="00:00:46.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was originally called "Gypsum".""" start="00:00:48.160" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason I did not call it "Schemacs"""" start="00:00:50.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was that the name "Schemacs" was taken on GitHub.""" start="00:00:53.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the past year,""" start="00:00:58.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was able to get the permission""" start="00:00:59.568" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the author of GitHub's Schemacs""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project to name my project the same thing,""" start="00:01:04.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it's a very similar project.""" start="00:01:08.841" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I changed the name.""" start="00:01:11.321" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see if I can quickly show the screen.""" start="00:01:14.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I have archived the old project.""" start="00:01:19.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's still there, but there's an explanation in""" start="00:01:24.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the readme file and a screen grab""" start="00:01:27.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the conversation I had""" start="00:01:30.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the original author of GitHub Schemacs.""" start="00:01:31.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My Schemacs is not on GitHub at all.""" start="00:01:36.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only on Codeberg. So please don't get confused.""" start="00:01:38.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yes, I received permission""" start="00:01:43.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to change the name and so I did.""" start="00:01:46.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I would like to give a quick shout-out to""" start="00:01:50.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""user "Tusharhero" for helping me with that.""" start="00:01:52.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This person really helped make that name change happen.""" start="00:01:57.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So back to the slides.""" start="00:02:02.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The scope of the project""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And so now I'd like to clarify the scope of the project.""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I quite made it clear""" start="00:02:11.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well enough last year,""" start="00:02:13.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but... 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video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all examples of app platforms.""" start="00:02:48.540" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like Schemacs to make it easy""" start="00:02:52.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for not only people to use it for""" start="00:02:55.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like editing text or, you know, for""" start="00:02:59.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using your computer through a command line""" start="00:03:03.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or manipulating your Git repository.""" start="00:03:06.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd also like you to be able to create simple""" start="00:03:10.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GUIs or TUIs using Scheme.""" start="00:03:13.160" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's also one of the goals of this project.""" start="00:03:16.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will of course have an Emacs-like text editor,""" start="00:03:19.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will clone Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:03:23.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So hopefully GNU Emacs users""" start="00:03:25.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will feel comfortable moving over to Schemacs""" start="00:03:29.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they'll be able to use your init.""" start="00:03:32.780" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll be able to use your init.el file.""" start="00:03:35.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So 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Emacs,""" start="00:04:38.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the core of Emacs is written in C.""" start="00:04:41.581" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile, the core of Guile is written in C.""" start="00:04:44.201" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What Robin Templeton has done is, at the C level, linked""" start="00:04:48.121" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""libguile.so" into Emacs and then provided""" start="00:04:53.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a programming layer where you can""" start="00:04:56.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""call the Scheme interpreter from Emacs Lisp""" start="00:04:59.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can run Scheme programs from within Emacs""" start="00:05:04.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to launch a separate process""" start="00:05:11.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and communicate over a channel such as a socket.""" start="00:05:13.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You won't need "SLIME" or anything.""" start="00:05:18.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Guile interpreter is just right there inside of Emacs.""" start="00:05:19.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But my project is not like this at all.""" start="00:05:23.420" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Schemacs is written completely from the ground up""" start="00:05:26.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in R7RS-compliant Scheme. And because it's R7RS-compliant,""" start="00:05:28.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not bound to any one particular Scheme implementation,""" start="00:05:35.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although Guile is the reference implementation.""" start="00:05:38.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One goal of this project is to be able to run""" start="00:05:39.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Schemacs on any R7RS-compliant Scheme implementation.""" start="00:05:42.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Progress made since last year""" start="00:05:49.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The work that I've done this past year mostly is internal.""" start="00:05:49.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's not much that you can see on the surface.""" start="00:05:56.260" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the most... One of the most important things that I""" start="00:06:00.940" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did was I rewrote the parser in R7RS Scheme,""" start="00:06:04.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it no longer depends on""" start="00:06:06.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Guile regular expressions library.""" start="00:06:07.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The parser now also provides source locations,""" start="00:06:12.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if an error occurs in Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:06:14.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be a stack trace""" start="00:06:18.940" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will show you where in the source code""" start="00:06:20.568" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the error occured. This was not possible last year.""" start="00:06:23.634" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because it no longer depends on Guile,""" start="00:06:28.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can make it work on multiple Scheme implementations.""" start="00:06:30.861" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So far, I've been able to get it to run on""" start="00:06:34.521" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Chibi Scheme interpreter""" start="00:06:36.821" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Gauche Scheme interpreter, as well as""" start="00:06:38.921" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile, which is the reference implementation.""" start="00:06:41.281" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For a short time, it did work also on Chez Scheme,""" start="00:06:44.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Chez Scheme compiler, using Gwen Weinholt's "Akku,"""" start="00:06:48.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a program that translates R7RS Scheme to R6RS Scheme.""" start="00:06:53.180" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with that translation, because Chez Scheme""" start="00:06:59.300" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pretty strictly an R6RS compiler,""" start="00:07:04.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the translation allows you to run R7RS programs.""" start="00:07:07.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But due to some change, I'm not sure where,""" start="00:07:11.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it may have been changed in the Schemacs source code,""" start="00:07:15.220" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or it may have been a change to Akku,""" start="00:07:17.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it no longer builds on Chez.""" start="00:07:19.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It did at one point. I'd like to try to fix that.""" start="00:07:21.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Portable React-like GUI""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second most important thing that I've worked on is a""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""portable React-like GUI. And so React,""" start="00:07:30.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for anyone who has done web programming,""" start="00:07:36.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a very popular framework for programming web applications.""" start="00:07:41.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I've provided something""" start="00:07:46.840" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very similar to that in Scheme now.""" start="00:07:48.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it works. I have constructed a DOM data structure""" start="00:07:49.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Scheme. It's just an ordinary Scheme data structure.""" start="00:07:54.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works like the web's "Document Object Model"""" start="00:07:59.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the "DOM" data structure.""" start="00:08:01.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then this Scheme DOM data structure can be rendered""" start="00:08:03.961" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using any GUI framework that is convenient""" start="00:08:10.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Scheme implementation that you're targeting.""" start="00:08:13.060" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you should be able to implement""" start="00:08:16.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also rendering to a CLI as well.""" start="00:08:18.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The current reference implementation""" start="00:08:22.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is using a framework called Guile-GI.""" start="00:08:24.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the "GObject Introspection" framework.""" start="00:08:27.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a very simple""" start="00:08:30.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GObject Introspection framework for Guile,""" start="00:08:31.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it binds to GTK3 on Linux.""" start="00:08:36.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a similar framework called G-Golf""" start="00:08:40.980" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I'd like to begin using as well, also for Guile.""" start="00:08:42.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""G-Golf seems to be a bit more well-maintained, a bit...""" start="00:08:48.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has better features. G-Golf may be a""" start="00:08:53.740" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""better rendering backend for the reference""" start="00:08:57.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementation, but I would like to provide both.""" start="00:09:00.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:09:06.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I will give a demo of this now.""" start="00:09:06.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately not a whole lot""" start="00:09:07.934" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see compared to last year.""" start="00:09:13.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First thing I'd like to show is""" start="00:09:18.140" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I now have a Makefile. You can look inside""" start="00:09:20.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this Makefile and if you're able to read a Makefile,""" start="00:09:24.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see that I have several targets now available.""" start="00:09:28.401" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can build Schemacs for Guile,""" start="00:09:31.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can build Schemacs for Gambit,""" start="00:09:35.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Stklos, or Chicken, or Chez,""" start="00:09:36.668" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although none of these (except for Guile)""" start="00:09:40.334" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently works. These targets will actually""" start="00:09:42.901" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""build the source code, but then you would have to""" start="00:09:51.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load it into the REPL separately.""" start="00:09:56.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are targets for launching""" start="00:09:59.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Gauche REPL and a Chibi REPL.""" start="00:10:02.468" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also run the Emacs Lisp tests""" start="00:10:06.468" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Gauche and Chibi.""" start="00:10:10.868" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also start a Guile REPL through this Makefile.""" start="00:10:13.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will do that right now in the shell.""" start="00:10:19.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(...make the text larger...there we go...)""" start="00:10:27.500" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, so we have this directory of the source code.""" start="00:10:31.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's just begin by running "guile.sh".""" start="00:10:38.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will launch a REPL and you can load "main-guile".""" start="00:10:44.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will launch the GUI. This is the basic""" start="00:10:52.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proof of concept GUI that uses Guile-GI.""" start="00:10:59.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it may be hard to see.""" start="00:11:04.801" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot change the size of the text yet.""" start="00:11:10.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've implemented the M-: feature""" start="00:11:14.560" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can eval in a minibuffer some Scheme code.""" start="00:11:17.334" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(string-append "hello" ...)""" start="00:11:24.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It outputs the result in the buffer.""" start="00:11:34.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is basically the "\*Messages\*" buffer.""" start="00:11:38.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's all the more that I have.""" start="00:11:40.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the same state it was in last year.""" start="00:11:42.620" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It hasn't changed a whole lot since back then.""" start="00:11:45.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Additional changes""" start="00:11:48.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But I have made additional changes.""" start="00:11:48.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So first of all, you can run""" start="00:11:52.820" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(let me just go back into the Guile)... you can""" start="00:12:05.380" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run the Emacs Lisp interpreter tests, so "elisp-tests".""" start="00:12:10.201" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, it gives you a stack trace.""" start="00:12:16.620" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is an error that I've been able to reproduce.""" start="00:12:18.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know exactly what the cause of this error is.""" start="00:12:22.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is not finding a variable""" start="00:12:24.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the closure is not correctly""" start="00:12:27.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capturing its environment. So there should be a variable""" start="00:12:30.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the closure, but that variable has not been captured""" start="00:12:35.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it is causing an error.""" start="00:12:38.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is currently loading "byte-run.el".""" start="00:12:43.460" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you what code that is here.""" start="00:12:48.081" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've copied into the source repository""" start="00:12:49.821" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Schemacs some of the Elisp code from GNU Emacs.""" start="00:12:53.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have this "subr.el".""" start="00:12:58.761" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This declares most of the core of Emacs Lisp""" start="00:13:04.421" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's not written in C.""" start="00:13:09.861" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also "byte-run.el". Schemacs Emacs Lisp can now""" start="00:13:12.861" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""evaluate this. This is where functions like "defun" are""" start="00:13:19.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined, and "defmacro". So as you can see,""" start="00:13:24.380" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defun itself is a defmacro defined right here.""" start="00:13:28.360" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written in Emacs Lisp itself,""" start="00:13:30.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined in terms of defalias.""" start="00:13:34.860" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can evaluate "byte-run",""" start="00:13:37.720" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can evaluate "macroexp",""" start="00:13:40.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the failure occurs somewhere in "subr.el".""" start="00:13:42.740" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although if you look at the stack trace,""" start="00:13:46.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't provide all the necessary information.""" start="00:13:48.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it appears to be happening in byte-run.el.""" start="00:13:51.160" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really, it's an error that's occurring inside of a macro,""" start="00:13:56.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the macro call site is somewhere in subr.el.""" start="00:14:00.620" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, take note of this stack trace.""" start="00:14:05.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was run from within Guile.""" start="00:14:08.640" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other Scheme implementations""" start="00:14:12.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now what I've done this past year""" start="00:14:12.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is make it work on other Scheme implementations.""" start="00:14:14.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use "make" to launch a Gauche REPL.""" start="00:14:19.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm inside of Gauche.""" start="00:14:23.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the command that""" start="00:14:26.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would use to launch a Gauche REPL.""" start="00:14:27.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can load the same program (load "elisp-tests.scm").""" start="00:14:30.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You get the exact same result as Guile.""" start="00:14:38.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have two different Scheme implementations""" start="00:14:42.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""producing the same result.""" start="00:14:45.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try "make" a Chibi REPL. This is Chibi Scheme.""" start="00:14:46.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can (load "elisp-tests.scm").""" start="00:14:53.080" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Chibi is a bit slower, but you get the exact same result.""" start="00:15:00.220" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have three different Scheme implementations""" start="00:15:04.081" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all running Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:15:07.401" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all producing the same result.""" start="00:15:11.540" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's...""" start="00:15:14.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm fairly proud of that accomplishment.""" start="00:15:14.768" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was able to get the code written to the point""" start="00:15:17.100" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where it actually runs on multiple implementations.""" start="00:15:21.201" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also try making it for other Scheme compilers""" start="00:15:24.880" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like "schemacs-mitscheme" for example,""" start="00:15:30.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this will fail.""" start="00:15:35.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can try building it for "schemacs-chez",""" start="00:15:40.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try Chez... there we go.""" start="00:15:46.680" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it will use Akku,""" start="00:15:51.801" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will fetch the necessary dependencies.""" start="00:15:54.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it fails, and I haven't been able to""" start="00:15:58.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debug that quite yet.""" start="00:16:03.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stklos fails for a similar reason.""" start="00:16:05.960" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gambit... Chicken still doesn't build all the way yet.""" start="00:16:13.140" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Makefile at least has places for it.""" start="00:16:21.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If anyone can help me out and get Schemacs to compile""" start="00:16:27.121" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on these other Scheme implementations,""" start="00:16:30.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd appreciate it.""" start="00:16:32.734" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can probably figure it out myself,""" start="00:16:34.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that will take more time.""" start="00:16:35.468" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let me just show you quickly""" start="00:16:37.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the test program.""" start="00:16:40.121" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically this is the Emacs Lisp test program""" start="00:16:41.721" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I was just running, and it produces an error.""" start="00:16:44.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All it does is it loads these files here in this order,""" start="00:16:48.581" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it fails right around here.""" start="00:16:53.221" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's able to load these two.""" start="00:16:55.181" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, that's what I've accomplished""" start="00:16:58.320" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Emacs Lisp side of things.""" start="00:17:01.361" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""GUI framework""" start="00:17:06.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next thing I want to show you is the GUI framework""" start="00:17:06.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've written, which I'm fairly proud of so far.""" start="00:17:09.120" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the GUI framework""" start="00:17:13.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(oops, I better launch it again, OK...)""" start="00:17:15.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me show you the tests.""" start="00:17:19.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here in the tests, you can start to see""" start="00:17:22.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some examples of how you use it.""" start="00:17:25.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here is a "counter" test, and this is kind of like""" start="00:17:29.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the "hello world" of reactive programming frameworks,""" start="00:17:31.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you have a state variable,""" start="00:17:35.941" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes called an "observable."""" start="00:17:38.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm calling it "number",""" start="00:17:41.660" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it uses "=" to check if the state has updated.""" start="00:17:43.440" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If an update occurs and the new value is different""" start="00:17:49.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the old value according to the "=" function,""" start="00:17:52.821" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then trigger a state update in the GUI as well.""" start="00:17:55.033" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Initialize to 0, bound to "number".""" start="00:17:59.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a "button" function which creates a simple button.""" start="00:18:03.100" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It takes a label and an action.""" start="00:18:06.133" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right here you see the "div" command.""" start="00:18:07.833" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what creates a "div".""" start="00:18:10.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using the properties, I describe that this div is a""" start="00:18:13.040" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""push-button and the "on-button-push" is an action.""" start="00:18:19.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The action is to update the variable "number"""" start="00:18:22.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using whatever function or lambda was provided to it.""" start="00:18:25.266" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the content that you see on screen,""" start="00:18:30.400" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you will see on screen when it runs,""" start="00:18:31.966" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is here. You create a "div-pack cut-vertical".""" start="00:18:34.034" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You declare two buttons and then you declare""" start="00:18:38.668" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this "use-vars" which will take the content""" start="00:18:43.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this variable here, this observable,""" start="00:18:46.801" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and place it into the GUI next to the buttons here.""" start="00:18:48.834" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what you will see on screen is""" start="00:18:51.734" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a "plus" button which increments,""" start="00:18:54.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is the "increment" function,""" start="00:18:57.068" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a "minus" button which decrements,""" start="00:18:59.321" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the content of the variable that is""" start="00:19:02.780" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being incremented and decremented.""" start="00:19:05.480" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The advantage of these reactive frameworks is that""" start="00:19:09.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with very few lines of code""" start="00:19:11.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can create fairly complex interfaces.""" start="00:19:13.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The less code you have to write,""" start="00:19:16.033" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the fewer chances you have to make mistakes.""" start="00:19:18.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just run this program.""" start="00:19:21.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was the "counter-test."""" start="00:19:23.968" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is the debug window. Here's the "counter."""" start="00:19:33.293" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry it's not much larger than this.""" start="00:19:35.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But here's the "plus" button, the "minus" button,""" start="00:19:38.453" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and here's the "number", 0.""" start="00:19:41.133" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can increment or decrement as much as I like.""" start="00:19:43.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's kind of the hello world""" start="00:19:49.793" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of reactive programming. (I'll reboot the REPL...)""" start="00:19:51.101" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next thing I want to show you is this layout test.""" start="00:19:55.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll just run the test first.""" start="00:19:58.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have basically""" start="00:20:02.193" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a tiling window manager kind of thing,""" start="00:20:05.020" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can resize the tiles""" start="00:20:08.540" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then by clicking on these buttons here,""" start="00:20:11.280" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can change the layout.""" start="00:20:12.934" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can do two on the right,""" start="00:20:16.940" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two up above, or three up above. So, yeah.""" start="00:20:20.168" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those tiling windows, as you can see,""" start="00:20:27.101" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once I work this branch into the main branch of Schemacs,""" start="00:20:30.268" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can use that to implement""" start="00:20:33.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the split window functionality for Schemacs,""" start="00:20:35.274" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the editor. So here's what this split...""" start="00:20:38.266" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's the layout test that you just saw.""" start="00:20:42.466" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me make it a bit smaller""" start="00:20:44.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it all fits on one screen.""" start="00:20:46.733" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically we have the "button" command again,""" start="00:20:48.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then these are the button actions""" start="00:20:51.366" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which basically just changes the layout,""" start="00:20:54.133" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I have the layout. So this layout is a "div."""" start="00:20:57.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first div just places three buttons in a row.""" start="00:21:01.460" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next layout is a div within a div.""" start="00:21:04.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have one div which places the button""" start="00:21:07.533" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called "two right" buttons, and the div above it,""" start="00:21:13.000" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which places the "three in a row" button""" start="00:21:18.633" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the "two above" buttons.""" start="00:21:21.493" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here's the next... So there's three different""" start="00:21:22.661" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""layouts, and clicking on one of their associated buttons""" start="00:21:26.001" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will just change the layout.""" start="00:21:30.601" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, very little code""" start="00:21:32.101" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to create a somewhat complex user interface.""" start="00:21:33.434" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the advantage of using reactive or declarative""" start="00:21:38.501" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""UI programming paradigms.""" start="00:21:42.868" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, this has not been merged into Schemacs""" start="00:21:44.234" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time of this recording,""" start="00:21:47.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but will be soon hopefully.""" start="00:21:48.701" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:21:51.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So yeah, I think I've already gone on for 20 minutes.""" start="00:21:51.520" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I guess I'll just end my presentation here.""" start="00:21:55.166" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have lots more to talk about.""" start="00:21:59.140" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I will say one last thing before I go:""" start="00:22:00.466" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I would very much like for others""" start="00:22:03.980" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try and contribute to this project.""" start="00:22:07.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will do my best to try and help teach anybody""" start="00:22:09.200" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or work with anybody, especially even""" start="00:22:14.233" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you don't have much experience with Scheme.""" start="00:22:16.833" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to help everybody try to contribute.""" start="00:22:18.600" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically I want to get this proof of concept working.""" start="00:22:22.760" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to get a stable user interface up and running,""" start="00:22:26.240" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we can start working on""" start="00:22:30.674" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improving the Emacs Lisp interpreter all together.""" start="00:22:33.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are close to 1,400 built-in functions""" start="00:22:36.700" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which need to be implemented.""" start="00:22:41.066" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't need to get all of them""" start="00:22:43.660" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to be able to run probably most of ELPA,""" start="00:22:44.966" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as much as possible.""" start="00:22:48.466" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We would like to clone Emacs Lisp and I need help.""" start="00:22:50.866" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So get a hold of me. My project is on Codeberg.""" start="00:22:54.800" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, (oh, I can't show this here),""" start="00:23:02.580" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I will end it there. Thank you for listening.""" start="00:23:06.920" video="mainVideo-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="schemacs-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[oops, forgot to start] object protocol has a scheme implementation.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does this mean schemacs will be""" start="00:00:03.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meta object changeable in practice?""" start="00:00:07.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't actually need the meta object protocol so far.""" start="00:00:11.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the reference implementation for Guile,""" start="00:00:16.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile has its own object-oriented system called Goops.""" start="00:00:19.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I'm hearing a delay.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, I'm going to turn off my stream quick. There we go.""" start="00:00:29.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, um. Yes, uh, I, I don't I wasn't aware of the, um.""" start="00:00:32.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the meta-object protocol that you have mentioned here,""" start="00:00:39.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I will look into it.""" start="00:00:43.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that there isn't really a standard""" start="00:00:45.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meta-object protocol for Scheme.""" start="00:00:48.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was an issue for me""" start="00:00:52.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm trying to make this cross-platform,""" start="00:00:53.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so I've done all of my work so far""" start="00:00:56.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without a meta-object protocol""" start="00:00:59.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's the easiest way to make it work""" start="00:01:00.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on multiple Scheme implementations.""" start="00:01:02.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if there is a nice portable one""" start="00:01:04.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works on many implementations, I would use that, yes.""" start="00:01:07.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that so far it hasn't been necessary.""" start="00:01:12.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been doing mostly functional reactive programming""" start="00:01:15.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and React.js-like framework.""" start="00:01:19.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've created that for the GUI front end.""" start="00:01:21.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's all the more I've needed so far.""" start="00:01:23.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah. Oh, yeah, please, next question. Sure.""" start="00:01:26.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how will the GUI display code be R7RS compliant?""" start="00:01:33.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As far as I know, there's no DL open in R7RS. That's right.""" start="00:01:39.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, R7RS small is extremely small""" start="00:01:45.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and does not have any features at all.""" start="00:01:48.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it does provide a conv expand macro.""" start="00:01:50.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this allows you to load in different code""" start="00:01:54.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on which scheme implementation you're using.""" start="00:01:57.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, I'll have to write a different back end""" start="00:02:00.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for each scheme implementation.""" start="00:02:03.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think that's really""" start="00:02:05.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the only way is possible at all,""" start="00:02:06.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's no standardization.""" start="00:02:10.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So essentially, the libraries""" start="00:02:12.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've written for schemacs""" start="00:02:14.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will become kind of a platform-independent way""" start="00:02:15.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of writing GUIs for Scheme.""" start="00:02:22.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a matter of,""" start="00:02:25.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will your Scheme implementation""" start="00:02:27.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""support the Schemacs GUI protocol?""" start="00:02:28.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've kind of written my own protocol,""" start="00:02:32.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's entirely R7 RSML compliant.""" start="00:02:34.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all done with record,""" start="00:02:36.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what are they called, record types.""" start="00:02:38.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think some of the Schemacs""" start="00:02:43.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could be extracted into SFRIs since you've made it portable""" start="00:02:46.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between scheme implementations?""" start="00:02:50.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I would definitely like to do that.""" start="00:02:52.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably first thing I'll do is start splitting up""" start="00:02:55.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and publishing independent libraries""" start="00:02:59.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Aku package manager.""" start="00:03:01.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a kind of a package manager ecosystem for Scheme,""" start="00:03:04.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in particular R7RS Scheme.""" start="00:03:07.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's also mirrored on the other package manager,""" start="00:03:11.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Snowfort, just by the way.""" start="00:03:15.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, and then I might be also,""" start="00:03:18.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've considered creating a SRFI for the lens library,""" start="00:03:21.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is based on the Haskell lens library.""" start="00:03:25.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think that exists yet in Scheme,""" start="00:03:27.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I thought that might make a good SRFI.""" start="00:03:29.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there a recommended Scheme implementation?""" start="00:03:34.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile is the reference implementation.""" start="00:03:36.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the only one that works with GUI,""" start="00:03:44.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as I demonstrated in my presentation,""" start="00:03:47.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Lisp interpreter""" start="00:03:51.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""works on multiple schemes so far,""" start="00:03:52.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've had trouble with some of the scheme compilers.""" start="00:03:55.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I would recommend Guile.""" start="00:04:00.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But how would schemacs deal with""" start="00:04:04.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs's re-display architecture""" start="00:04:07.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be having its own display architecture?""" start="00:04:10.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if so, how will you handle""" start="00:04:13.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like overlays and images?""" start="00:04:15.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, definitely. That's to be determined.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, the scheme way of doing things""" start="00:04:25.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I've created this React-like programming framework.""" start="00:04:31.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like ReactJS or Vue.js.""" start="00:04:36.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is just the API of how you write GUI code in Scheme.""" start="00:04:41.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And each Scheme implementation""" start="00:04:45.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will have its own GUI backend,""" start="00:04:49.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which implements that Protocol.""" start="00:04:52.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so when it comes time to link""" start="00:04:55.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Lisp built-in functions""" start="00:04:59.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that do these things like overlays and so on,""" start="00:05:03.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to have to come up with some way""" start="00:05:08.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of modeling that""" start="00:05:11.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the scheme framework that I've designed.""" start="00:05:12.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I may have to make alterations""" start="00:05:15.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specifically to support Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:05:17.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know yet. I haven't got that far.""" start="00:05:22.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You were saying that you would like""" start="00:05:28.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the most out of the 1300""" start="00:05:30.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and something Emacs packages that exist.""" start="00:05:33.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there technical blockers to doing them all""" start="00:05:36.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just a problem of getting enough people to jump into it?""" start="00:05:38.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's just a matter of implementing enough""" start="00:05:44.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the Emacs built-in functions.""" start="00:05:48.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, there's kind of a big bug.""" start="00:05:50.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mentioned this also in the presentation.""" start="00:05:57.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The stacks trace that you saw during my presentation,""" start="00:05:59.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is the biggest bug right now""" start="00:06:02.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's preventing me from running most other code.""" start="00:06:05.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't think other people""" start="00:06:08.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be able to contribute to the code base""" start="00:06:10.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until I get that bug fixed,""" start="00:06:13.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it doesn't capture closures correctly.""" start="00:06:14.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't behave like Emacs Lisp does,""" start="00:06:18.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's the big problem.""" start="00:06:22.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So once I get that worked out,""" start="00:06:26.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it's just a matter of implementing enough""" start="00:06:31.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the EmacsLisp built-in functions,""" start="00:06:35.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are the functions that are mostly implemented in C,""" start="00:06:37.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementing those in Scheme.""" start="00:06:40.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that, yeah, that's the thing""" start="00:06:42.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm going to need a lot of help with""" start="00:06:45.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's quite a few of those APIs.""" start="00:06:47.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I imagine, I have no idea, no way of knowing,""" start="00:06:49.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I imagine we don't need 100% of them""" start="00:06:53.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to run most of Elpa.""" start="00:06:56.460" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We probably can get some of the important large Elpa packages""" start="00:06:58.168" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Magit and Org mode with just enough of the Emacs Lisp""" start="00:07:05.085" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built-in functions to handle that.""" start="00:07:12.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we won't really know until we've tried.""" start="00:07:14.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I'll try to get this bug fixed right away.""" start="00:07:19.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That way we can all start working on it together, hopefully.""" start="00:07:22.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Highly relatable answer there.""" start="00:07:24.980" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll burn that bridge when we're on it or something.""" start="00:07:27.127" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What are your thoughts on chicken scheme?""" start="00:07:31.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Will that be a good fit? Do you think?""" start="00:07:34.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it will be, um, I, I did show""" start="00:07:37.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to run chicken scheme in my, um, presentation""" start="00:07:41.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, uh, I ran up against some kind of issue,""" start="00:07:44.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I really don't know how to debug.""" start="00:07:48.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, it's probably something to do with the, uh, pattern matcher.""" start="00:07:51.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I'm using the pattern matcher,""" start="00:07:55.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, written by Alex shin,""" start="00:07:58.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which seems to be the most portable.""" start="00:08:00.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pattern matcher, uh, for our seven RS scheme.""" start="00:08:02.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But not all scheme compilers implement, what is it called?""" start="00:08:05.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The macro, I can't remember what it's called.""" start="00:08:13.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the macro expansion system for R7 RS small.""" start="00:08:19.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of these scheme implementations""" start="00:08:24.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seem to have a slightly different take on how they work.""" start="00:08:27.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so that macro expander has been, for pattern matching,""" start="00:08:29.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been the biggest difficulty""" start="00:08:33.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in making this code portable.""" start="00:08:35.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I'm thinking of ways of maybe trying to ditch pattern matching,""" start="00:08:37.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's such a useful feature and it's hard.""" start="00:08:42.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't know, we'll see if I can,""" start="00:08:45.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if somebody can help me get it to work on chicken team,""" start="00:08:49.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd really appreciate it.""" start="00:08:52.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can this implementation be used by Guile's Emacs Lisp mode?""" start="00:08:56.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guile's Emacs list mode. Okay. Yeah, good question.""" start="00:09:01.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did mention this last year in my presentation.""" start="00:09:08.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs list in Guile is totally different""" start="00:09:10.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from what I've done.""" start="00:09:13.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That implementation was written about 10 or 15 years ago.""" start="00:09:16.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember exactly when. It is quite incomplete.""" start="00:09:21.293" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it even runs most of the macro expanding code.""" start="00:09:26.502" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of the code that is written""" start="00:09:36.543" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for GNU Emacs in Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:09:39.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where GNU Emacs is initializing itself,""" start="00:09:42.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can't even get the first file in that code.""" start="00:09:45.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It hasn't been touched in 10 or 15 years.""" start="00:09:51.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Initially, when I first started this project,""" start="00:09:53.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using the parser""" start="00:09:57.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Guile's Emacs Lisp implementation,""" start="00:09:59.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it didn't give me things like source locations,""" start="00:10:02.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I had to rewrite that. And also, it wasn't portable.""" start="00:10:05.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, because I want it to be portable,""" start="00:10:10.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's necessarily going to be not reliant""" start="00:10:14.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on anything that's inside of the Guile library,""" start="00:10:16.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including the Emacs LISP interpreter that's there.""" start="00:10:19.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe I could replace the Emacs LISP interpreter in Guile""" start="00:10:21.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if Andy Wingo would be interested. All right.""" start="00:10:24.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I see we've got a few people""" start="00:10:29.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that did jump into the BBB.""" start="00:10:31.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to quickly, oops.""" start="00:10:34.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quickly try to make my text a little bigger""" start="00:10:37.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can read a question that came here.""" start="00:10:40.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wonder if we can do some sort of pragmatic analysis""" start="00:10:42.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on popular Emacs packages""" start="00:10:48.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see what list of functions they tend to depend on""" start="00:10:49.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while a function calls down to the lower level.""" start="00:10:52.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that would be good.""" start="00:10:54.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody please do that for me. Awesome.""" start="00:10:57.210" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Somebody's raising their hand. Divya.""" start="00:11:02.252" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Yeah, can you hear me?""" start="00:11:05.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I can. Yeah, go ahead. Hello, thank you.""" start="00:11:08.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, this is really awesome.""" start="00:11:12.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Guile, and I love Guile,""" start="00:11:14.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I also love functional programming,""" start="00:11:16.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is really nice that you took""" start="00:11:18.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the declarative approach.""" start="00:11:21.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing that I'm interested in is,""" start="00:11:22.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you also considering Racket in the scheme group?""" start="00:11:26.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I know a lot of people do not consider Racket""" start="00:11:29.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a sort of scheme thing, because it grew out of it.""" start="00:11:32.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think you'll take something from Racket?""" start="00:11:36.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I think Racket has""" start="00:11:39.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of good ideas that can be used.""" start="00:11:42.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I briefly looked at Racket's GUI library,""" start="00:11:44.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's very, very heavily dependent""" start="00:11:48.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Racket's macro expander,""" start="00:11:51.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, well, yeah, the macro expander""" start="00:11:53.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is extremely complex for Racket,""" start="00:11:57.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't think it's possible to port it to any other scheme,""" start="00:11:59.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as I know. But Racket is based on SheaScheme.""" start="00:12:02.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I am making an effort to port my code to Shea's scheme.""" start="00:12:07.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mentioned this earlier,""" start="00:12:14.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's the Gwen Weinholdt Aku system,""" start="00:12:18.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which allows you to translate R7RS to R6RS.""" start="00:12:22.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And since Shea is an R6RS compiler,""" start="00:12:25.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did at one point get the Emacs Lisp interpreter""" start="00:12:28.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to compile for Shea,""" start="00:12:33.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although I think There's been a change""" start="00:12:34.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either to Aku or somewhere in my own code base.""" start="00:12:38.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't build anymore, and I'm not sure why.""" start="00:12:40.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I would also very much like to run this on Che.""" start="00:12:42.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I guess in that sense, we'll be able to work on Racket as well.""" start="00:12:47.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also one other option.""" start="00:12:54.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alexis King has written an R7RS language package for Racket.""" start="00:12:56.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have not yet tried.""" start="00:13:03.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running my package on R7RS for Racket.""" start="00:13:05.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that would be something interesting.""" start="00:13:08.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I would like to try that.""" start="00:13:11.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it'll be interesting.""" start="00:13:12.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have some experience with chairs.""" start="00:13:13.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, uh, if I can find some time,""" start="00:13:15.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll, I'll, I'll certainly like to, I would appreciate.""" start="00:13:17.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.""" start="00:13:21.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another question I have is, like,""" start="00:13:24.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what exactly is sort of, like, the, the approach is that""" start="00:13:26.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll 1st want to do the interpreter""" start="00:13:29.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have enough list functions.""" start="00:13:31.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, getting the max list functions""" start="00:13:33.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreted or interpretable.""" start="00:13:36.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then go for GUI or do you want""" start="00:13:38.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to sort of like go hand in hand""" start="00:13:41.000" 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to sort of figure out""" start="00:15:54.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what exactly you can salvage from ELISP""" start="00:15:57.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without taking the display architecture baggage.""" start="00:16:00.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's right. I do anticipate""" start="00:16:05.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's going to be fairly challenging.""" start="00:16:08.002" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all Turing-complete,""" start="00:16:09.877" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I imagine we're probably going to end up""" start="00:16:14.585" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating something like an emulator""" start="00:16:17.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Emacs Lisp display architecture in Scheme""" start="00:16:21.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will somehow translate down""" start="00:16:24.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the React-like protocol that I've written.""" start="00:16:27.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I don't I haven't that's nice.""" start="00:16:30.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, this is this is very exciting. Yeah. Oh Yes, it is.""" start="00:16:32.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I'm glad so like a lot of people have told me""" start="00:16:36.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they really Are excited to see this project""" start="00:16:39.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this really helps me""" start="00:16:41.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know keep focused on this project""" start="00:16:42.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because a lot of people are very interested.""" start="00:16:46.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So It's so I'd like to move on""" start="00:16:48.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a couple of questions from the past.""" start="00:16:50.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're starting to build up a good backlog.""" start="00:16:52.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for that. Yeah Next question from the pad I have.""" start="00:16:54.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you tell us more about the show stopping bug?""" start="00:16:59.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How to squash it? How can people help?""" start="00:17:02.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, well, that one, unfortunately, I think,""" start="00:17:04.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unless you're really a scheme genius""" start="00:17:08.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can really read my code""" start="00:17:11.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and immediately understand how it all works,""" start="00:17:13.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think you'd be able to help.""" start="00:17:15.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It shouldn't be too difficult for me to fix.""" start="00:17:18.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it has to do with how closures work.""" start="00:17:22.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And a closure is basically 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lambda you can actually return it as a value.""" start="00:18:18.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when you do return that lambda,""" start="00:18:23.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has to have a note somewhere inside""" start="00:18:25.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that says, by the way, I'm using that variable.""" start="00:18:27.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you need to capture it and restore it to the stack""" start="00:18:31.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever this lambda is applied, whenever you execute it.""" start="00:18:34.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is where the error is.""" start="00:18:38.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not capturing the stack variable properly.""" start="00:18:40.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think what I'm going to do,""" start="00:18:44.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't looked into it in detail yet""" start="00:18:46.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I've gone back to GUI stuff recently,""" start="00:18:49.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but what I'm going to do, I think,""" start="00:18:53.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just do a static analysis""" start="00:18:55.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the code inside of the Lambda""" start="00:18:57.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see which symbols are being used,""" start="00:18:59.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then just capture all of those""" start="00:19:02.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Okay, next question.""" start="00:19:17.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are there performance concerns""" start="00:19:21.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with implementing certain C primitives in PeerScheme?""" start="00:19:23.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So who is it? The famous computer scientist that said""" start="00:19:28.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""premature optimization is the root of all evil.""" start="00:19:32.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it was the guy who invented the A star algorithm.""" start="00:19:35.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""His name escapes me at the minute.""" start="00:19:39.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I'm not concerned about performance yet,""" start="00:19:42.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although most of the scheme compilers that I have seen,""" start="00:19:49.360" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially Shea and Gambit""" start="00:19:52.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have extremely good performance characteristics.""" start="00:19:57.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I think there won't be""" start="00:20:02.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too much difficulty with performance,""" start="00:20:03.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even implementing some of the C stuff.""" start="00:20:05.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And besides, a lot of the GUI stuff""" start="00:20:08.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is already written in C anyway.""" start="00:20:10.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, it would be cool""" start="00:20:12.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we had a scheme GUI library""" start="00:20:14.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that painted to a canvas,""" start="00:20:16.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe for a Wayland implementation or something.""" start="00:20:18.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I don't know. It's not a concern for me, performance.""" start="00:20:21.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, there are a few more questions. I do want to mention""" start="00:20:29.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the stream has cut away at this point,""" start="00:20:32.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we're still recording live.""" start="00:20:33.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of this will be put up on the website""" start="00:20:36.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so on like that.""" start="00:20:38.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I appreciate all the enthusiastic questions""" start="00:20:40.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're kind of tanking through them all.""" start="00:20:44.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Me too. I love how many questions I'm getting.""" start="00:20:47.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very encouraging""" start="00:20:52.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it really makes me want to keep on working on it.""" start="00:20:54.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's great.""" start="00:20:56.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm so glad to hear that because that's exactly the message""" start="00:20:56.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you should be receiving.""" start="00:21:00.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a fantastic project. Thank you so much.""" start="00:21:01.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just say so myself. If the project is successful,""" start="00:21:04.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you worried about a possible split in the community""" start="00:21:08.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between Schemacs and GNU Emacs?""" start="00:21:11.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I have thought about that.""" start="00:21:15.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really don't know what's going to happen.""" start="00:21:18.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There seems to be already a huge demand""" start="00:21:24.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a scheme-based, a modern scheme-based editor.""" start="00:21:26.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, the Edwin scheme for MIT scheme""" start="00:21:30.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hasn't been touched since like 1987 or something,""" start="00:21:33.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe 1993 or, but anyway.""" start="00:21:37.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There seems to be huge demand.""" start="00:21:41.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I guess a lot of people""" start="00:21:43.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are currently using GNU Emacs""" start="00:21:45.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will probably just switch over""" start="00:21:47.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they've been wanting""" start="00:21:49.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like this for a very long time.""" start="00:21:50.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, I mean, is that going to cause fragmentation?""" start="00:21:53.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it really a big deal, though?""" start="00:21:56.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, it's all GPL-licensed code.""" start="00:21:58.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I think a rising tide raises all the ships at the same time.""" start="00:22:02.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, also, the last thing I want to say about that""" start="00:22:08.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is I would like to contribute some of what I do in Schemacs""" start="00:22:13.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back into GNU Emacs, if I can. So, for example, I'm going""" start="00:22:19.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be working on like a canvas library""" start="00:22:24.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can have interactive canvases""" start="00:22:25.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you know you can actually like draw pictures""" start="00:22:27.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put things with the mouse and drag things around.""" start="00:22:30.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was thinking you know""" start="00:22:33.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if if I can figure out how that works""" start="00:22:36.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe I can write something like that for Emacs""" start="00:22:37.668" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or GNU Emacs using the Cairo library, you know,""" start="00:22:41.918" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SVG rendering library that they have.""" start="00:22:47.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, if I have time,""" start="00:22:49.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to continue contributing to GNU Emacs as well.""" start="00:22:51.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, what was the name of the library you mentioned?""" start="00:22:55.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, Cairo, like Cairo.""" start="00:22:57.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, Cairo, yeah. Absolutely. I spelled that poorly.""" start="00:23:01.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The dream of never needing to change to the web browser.""" start="00:23:07.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Would schemacs bring us closer to that? I hope so.""" start="00:23:12.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also a dream of mine.""" start="00:23:18.377" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The part of the reason why I wanted to work, you know,""" start="00:23:21.710" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sure I had a really good workable GUI framework""" start="00:23:26.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is so that I could, you know,""" start="00:23:31.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we could write apps like, you know,""" start="00:23:32.627" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they have a mastodon client written in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:23:34.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be so nice to have this, you know,""" start="00:23:38.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a really nice Mastodon client""" start="00:23:42.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was right inside of, you know, our scheme environment""" start="00:23:43.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we were doing our text editing and other stuff.""" start="00:23:47.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've always wanted something like that,""" start="00:23:50.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or it would be cool to have""" start="00:23:52.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just a slightly nicer GUI for Magit.""" start="00:23:53.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, I mean, like, yeah, being able to avoid the web entirely""" start="00:23:56.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just be able to like, you know, do social networking""" start="00:24:04.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do your GitHub stuff,""" start="00:24:08.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything from within Emacs or Schemacs in this case,""" start="00:24:11.440" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a dream of mine as well.""" start="00:24:14.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I hope that that's where we end up in a couple of years.""" start="00:24:16.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The sooner the better. Anything, just double checking.""" start="00:24:20.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anything specific other than minimalism""" start="00:24:30.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made you choose Scheme over Commonwealth?""" start="00:24:33.320" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, it's kind of a philosophical question.""" start="00:24:35.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a couple of things. First of all, it was a conversation""" start="00:24:40.200" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had with William Byrd,""" start="00:24:45.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he's a guy who makes the Mini Conran framework for Scheme.""" start="00:24:47.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was his PhD thesis.""" start="00:24:50.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He worked with, I'm sorry, I just can't remember his name.""" start="00:24:52.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He worked at the University of Indiana.""" start="00:24:57.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another famous Scheme or Lisp person was there.""" start="00:24:59.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Friedman, Dan Friedman was his advisor.""" start="00:25:03.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, big name in Lisp.""" start="00:25:06.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so I was talking with William Byrd,""" start="00:25:09.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm a huge Haskell fan,""" start="00:25:12.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he told me why he didn't like Haskell at all,""" start="00:25:14.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and kind of convinced me to try Scheme out.""" start="00:25:16.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I really like about Scheme is,""" start="00:25:19.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, like you said, the minimalism,""" start="00:25:22.760" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's more that it is very close""" start="00:25:25.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the mathematical framework of lambda calculus.""" start="00:25:29.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Haskell is probably the most pure""" start="00:25:34.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lambda calculus that I've ever used,""" start="00:25:38.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Scheme is like the simply typed lambda calculus,""" start="00:25:39.920" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and That just appeals to me.""" start="00:25:45.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, you know, if you have this tiny, tiny core language""" start="00:25:47.800" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from which all of the computing can be defined,""" start="00:25:50.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's kind of a shame""" start="00:25:55.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that so far we just haven't explored that space yet.""" start="00:25:57.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, there's compared to JavaScript or Python,""" start="00:26:00.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's very little scheme code out there""" start="00:26:03.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it could be doing so much. And I would just like to try""" start="00:26:05.880" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and expand the scheme ecosystem""" start="00:26:08.240" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see just what this tiny little language can do.""" start="00:26:10.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think we haven't even seen""" start="00:26:13.000" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a fraction of what it can do.""" start="00:26:14.480" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's why I've chosen scheme.""" start="00:26:16.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Divya, I see you've got a bunch more comments.""" start="00:26:22.400" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we're just about close to our time here,""" start="00:26:24.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you wanted to jump back in,""" start="00:26:26.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I had to cut you off a little before.""" start="00:26:28.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it's fine. No, it's fine.""" start="00:26:30.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I agree with most of what he said.""" start="00:26:33.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, thank you so much.""" start="00:26:36.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, closing thoughts, Ramin.""" start="00:26:40.680" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I guess everybody, please, if you're interested,""" start="00:26:45.160" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keep watching my Mastodon and keep watching my Codeberg.""" start="00:26:51.640" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to try and squash this bug as quickly as I can.""" start="00:26:56.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope early next year,""" start="00:27:01.560" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully not much later than February,""" start="00:27:03.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll actually be able to start taking in contributions""" start="00:27:07.520" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some of the Emacs Lisp built-ins in the code base.""" start="00:27:12.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, please keep watching. The pace of my development""" start="00:27:16.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has increased pretty rapidly recently,""" start="00:27:21.960" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think we're pretty close""" start="00:27:24.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to getting something that we can all use together.""" start="00:27:25.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you once again for your amazing talk,""" start="00:27:29.120" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your exceptional work,""" start="00:27:31.720" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for jumping in, doing the live Q&A,""" start="00:27:34.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rolling with us here as we have yet another""" start="00:27:36.600" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll See How It Goes conference.""" start="00:27:40.040" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been just amazing so far,""" start="00:27:42.080" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this talk is no small part of that. Thank you.""" start="00:27:44.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. OK, cool.""" start="00:27:46.840" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And thanks for all the questions, everyone.""" start="00:27:50.280" video="qanda-schemacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20schemacs%3A%20One%20year%20progress%20update%20Schemacs%20%28formerly%20Gypsum%29) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/schemacs-before.md b/2025/info/schemacs-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8c91e627 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/schemacs-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 24-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-schemacs> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-schemacs> +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-schemacs"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-schemacs--one-year-progress-update-schemacs-formerly-gypsum--ramin-honary--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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Thank you so much.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have made it thus far. It is the end of EmacsConf 2025.""" start="00:00:17.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I better remember to open this""" start="00:00:22.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in case anyone wants to join me in this room.""" start="00:00:24.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hang on a sec. And normally all this stuff""" start="00:00:49.460" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gets done automatically by my scripts,""" start="00:00:51.140" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm doing it manually. Ah, there you go.""" start="00:00:52.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, now people can join. Hooray, we made it!""" start="00:00:55.251" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today was great, and yesterday was great too,""" start="00:00:58.126" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with so many fascinating talks and conversations.""" start="00:01:01.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really, really glad that it all worked out,""" start="00:01:06.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""despite some running around""" start="00:01:09.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and figuring things out on the fly,""" start="00:01:12.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we all managed to get there.""" start="00:01:14.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually have some of the live""" start="00:01:18.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talks recordings up already""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on media.emacsconf.org and YouTube, assuming things work.""" start="00:01:22.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to republish it from Emacs naturally.""" start="00:01:28.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, I was e-debugging things""" start="00:01:33.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the very last minute.""" start="00:01:36.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, feel free to spread the word.""" start="00:01:37.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I check the Emacs hashtag every week""" start="00:01:39.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as part of the Emacs news process anyway.""" start="00:01:42.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you have any favorite talks,""" start="00:01:45.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a great way to share the ideas with more people,""" start="00:01:47.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then even more conversations can happen.""" start="00:01:52.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The prerecorded talks, as I mentioned,""" start="00:01:54.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are already up on the wiki""" start="00:01:58.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and at the media emacsconf.org slash 2027 website.""" start="00:02:00.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, 2025. We're not in the time machine. 2025 site.""" start="00:02:05.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they should already be on YouTube as well.""" start="00:02:10.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will upload the late submissions""" start="00:02:13.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the live talks and the Q&A sessions""" start="00:02:16.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the next week or two.""" start="00:02:19.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually get that done very quickly.""" start="00:02:20.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't even finish this sentence.""" start="00:02:23.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll post an update to the Emacs Conf Discuss mailing list,""" start="00:02:27.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so feel free to subscribe to that if you'd like an update.""" start="00:02:31.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've got ideas for making things better,""" start="00:02:34.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then feel free to drop them into the Etherpad""" start="00:02:37.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can make next year's conference even smoother.""" start="00:02:40.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a lot of people watching, so thank you for that.""" start="00:02:45.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, thanks to all the speakers""" start="00:02:51.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who put hours and hours into their presentations,""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the volunteers who helped both before and during the conference""" start="00:02:56.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and who will help in the days ahead""" start="00:03:01.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as we get everything extracted and packaged and transcribed even,""" start="00:03:03.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a nice chapter indices on the Q&A""" start="00:03:08.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can jump to when a specific question was answered,""" start="00:03:11.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all that good stuff.""" start="00:03:14.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to all those other people in their lives""" start="00:03:16.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose patience and support make all of this possible.""" start="00:03:19.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much for that.""" start="00:03:23.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year's host, you saw Corwin and you saw,""" start="00:03:26.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, what's, why am I,""" start="00:03:30.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wait, I'm like buzzing all over the place""" start="00:03:32.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as people are mentioning my nick on IRC.""" start="00:03:34.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, now that I'm in do not disturb mode.""" start="00:03:37.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you to the hosts""" start="00:03:40.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thank you to other volunteers,""" start="00:03:42.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""JC and Trico and James and Amitav and Rodion and Jaybird and Indra.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Yang3, and Bhavin, and Michael, and Ian,""" start="00:03:49.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Jamie, and Ihor, and FlowyCoder,""" start="00:03:55.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and probably other people""" start="00:03:57.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have forgotten to copy out of my conference.org file""" start="00:03:58.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and into this, but thank you anyway.""" start="00:04:02.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to the Free Software Foundation.""" start="00:04:05.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They host the mailing list, they host the media server,""" start="00:04:08.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course, they've got like Emacs, so that's awesome.""" start="00:04:12.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To make things easier, our streams are actually not on my computer.""" start="00:04:16.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use OBS and a server,""" start="00:04:23.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a fairly beefy one that Ry P shares with us.""" start="00:04:26.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So then I can VNC into it and control OBS""" start="00:04:30.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stream to IceCast and all that other goodness.""" start="00:04:33.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't have to worry about my computer stressing out.""" start="00:04:36.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all good. And so we use a whole lot of free""" start="00:04:39.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and open source software in the stack.""" start="00:04:43.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we are very, very grateful""" start="00:04:45.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all the users and contributors""" start="00:04:47.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make all of that possible.""" start="00:04:49.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things like Emacs and Org Mode and ERC and Tramp and Magit""" start="00:04:50.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and BigBlueButton and Etherpad and IckyWicky and IceCast""" start="00:04:55.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and OBS and TheLaunch and LiberaChat and FFmpeg""" start="00:04:59.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and OpenAI Whisper, WhisperX, different interface.""" start="00:05:02.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Aeneas forced alignment tool, site transfer for uploads,""" start="00:05:05.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""subed for editing the subtitles,""" start="00:05:09.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sub-seg for cutting the subtitles into nice chunks""" start="00:05:11.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you're not like trying to read a whole lot in one line,""" start="00:05:14.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mozilla Firefox, MPV and TamperMonkey""" start="00:05:17.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that everything gets automatically logged in""" start="00:05:22.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the stream switches to like a big blue button room, it's handy.""" start="00:05:25.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course, many other tools and services""" start="00:05:30.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we use to prepare and host this year's conference.""" start="00:05:33.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Shoshin for the music.""" start="00:05:35.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's an Emacs geek as well.""" start="00:05:37.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you also have music that you'd like to share with us""" start="00:05:39.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under the Creative Commons Attribution License,""" start="00:05:42.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please feel free to let me know""" start="00:05:45.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or I should put in my email address here.""" start="00:05:47.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, sacha@sachachua.com.""" start="00:05:50.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let us know in case you have music""" start="00:05:57.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or other things you want to share.""" start="00:05:59.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to the people who donated""" start="00:06:01.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via the FSF working together program.""" start="00:06:03.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It costs like I think less than a hundred dollars""" start="00:06:06.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run this whole thing""" start="00:06:09.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the biggest thing really is people's time.""" start="00:06:11.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And thank you so much for sharing that with us.""" start="00:06:14.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yes, but thank you specifically to Scott and Jonathan""" start="00:06:17.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the other anonymous donors""" start="00:06:20.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the Working Together program.""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's where we are so far. Feel free to join me.""" start="00:06:26.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can be here until the kiddo says""" start="00:06:30.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have not given her enough hugs for today.""" start="00:06:32.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you want to like do a quick recap of your favorite talks""" start="00:06:34.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or how you're excited to take things going forward""" start="00:06:40.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all that stuff.""" start="00:06:43.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join me in this as Sunday closing.""" start="00:06:45.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look at the talk page,""" start="00:06:47.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's going to be theoretically""" start="00:06:49.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a big blue button link there that you can join.""" start="00:06:52.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thank you for this. And now it's like awkward silence.""" start="00:06:55.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm wondering what you learned most""" start="00:07:04.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from this conference this year.""" start="00:07:07.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I'm running around so much,""" start="00:07:09.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't get a lot of the live stuff.""" start="00:07:11.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, for example, when I was listening to your Q&A,""" start="00:07:23.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had it in one ear and I had Christian's dental casting Q&A in the other ear,""" start="00:07:30.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that just in case he had questions also.""" start="00:07:34.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which kind of just meant I was listening for silences""" start="00:07:36.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that meant I had to read the next question out loud.""" start="00:07:39.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I love going through the videos and captioning them.""" start="00:07:43.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm really excited about the kinds of conversations""" start="00:07:46.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people have been having on the etherpacks and IRC.""" start="00:07:50.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think the biggest thing that I'm learning""" start="00:07:53.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that people are having a lot of fun with Emacs.""" start="00:07:57.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is no surprise, of course.""" start="00:08:01.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's always so exciting to see people bump into other people""" start="00:08:05.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose minds work the same way.""" start="00:08:09.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then who knows where that will go over the next year, over the next years.""" start="00:08:11.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's sort of an interesting topic,""" start="00:08:17.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is like how to keep the conversations""" start="00:08:22.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going between the conferences, you know?""" start="00:08:24.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is where do people hang out and discuss these things?""" start="00:08:27.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reddit's one place. IRC. I figure it's... Sorry, go ahead. I'm done.""" start="00:08:33.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's rather...""" start="00:08:49.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to think of it as the start of the conversation.""" start="00:08:54.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so we have around 100 people,""" start="00:08:59.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more than 100, around 200 people yesterday,""" start="00:09:08.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around 100 today joining us.""" start="00:09:12.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those are a lot of conversations,""" start="00:09:15.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then they're the conversations that happen""" start="00:09:17.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when people look up the videos and the captions""" start="00:09:18.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the resources that people have shared.""" start="00:09:22.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I think it gives us a lot of material,""" start="00:09:25.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of exciting points""" start="00:09:30.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for plenty of other conversations this year.""" start="00:09:31.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's a great community. Oh, yes, I should mention,""" start="00:09:34.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the conversation doesn't stop here""" start="00:09:41.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there are mailing lists.""" start="00:09:42.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Rudy, for the reminder.""" start="00:09:44.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're looking for more of this kind of sense of community,""" start="00:09:46.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's like, well, Emacs Develop course has a lot of technical discussions going on,""" start="00:09:50.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the Org Mode mailing list is very nice.""" start="00:09:56.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are also lots of meetups.""" start="00:10:00.560" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's definitely a meetup every month.""" start="00:10:02.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Meetup, in fact, is happening in a couple of days.""" start="00:10:05.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look on the Emacs wiki for user groups,""" start="00:10:10.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you check my Emacs news,""" start="00:10:13.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you check, if you look for like Emacs calendar,""" start="00:10:14.720" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think I put on like emacslife.com slash calendar,""" start="00:10:16.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you'll find upcoming meetups.""" start="00:10:20.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can keep reconnecting with people.""" start="00:10:22.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you come up with something cool,""" start="00:10:27.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't have to wait until the next Emacs Con""" start="00:10:29.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to show it to everybody.""" start="00:10:33.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also go to these meetups and start sharing it""" start="00:10:35.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get feedback and make it even better and so on.""" start="00:10:43.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great, thank you. Rudy says, the Emacs bugs mailing list""" start="00:10:53.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is surprisingly interesting as well.""" start="00:10:56.400" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lots of discussion on there, various details""" start="00:10:58.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and upcoming little features every single day.""" start="00:11:01.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yes, Maddie would like another shout out for Emacs Carnival""" start="00:11:04.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a monthly blogging people share topics""" start="00:11:38.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that people can all write about the same thing""" start="00:11:41.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then discover other people's perspectives on it.""" start="00:11:47.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There have been quite a few now.""" start="00:11:52.440" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you want, you can go through the Emacs Carnival page""" start="00:11:54.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Emacs wiki and start exploring the past issues.""" start="00:11:57.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The host will have a list of links""" start="00:12:01.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the people who've submitted. So it's a great way to see""" start="00:12:04.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what other people in the community""" start="00:12:07.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have been thinking about something.""" start="00:12:09.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, people are very curious about the fonts and templates""" start="00:12:11.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people use for their presentations.""" start="00:12:18.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's always, that's one of the things""" start="00:12:20.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love about presentations.""" start="00:12:22.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You kind of get this, you pick up so much more""" start="00:12:23.960" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're looking over someone's shoulder,""" start="00:12:26.360" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the things that they would forget to even mention""" start="00:12:28.600" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's not the point of their talk""" start="00:12:32.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or they take it for granted.""" start="00:12:34.200" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yes. if the presenters can share their fonts""" start="00:12:36.840" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and setups and themes and stuff like that.""" start="00:12:40.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or if you as a viewer have been watching something""" start="00:12:44.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you see someone do this really cool keyword shortcut""" start="00:12:47.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have no idea how they did that,""" start="00:12:50.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of course, you know, it just flies by too quickly""" start="00:12:53.280" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's part of their muscle memory,""" start="00:12:56.120" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they don't even explain it anymore.""" start="00:12:57.640" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Go ahead and ask the speakers, hey,""" start="00:12:59.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that command that you did, that just did the magic, how?""" start="00:13:01.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yes, please feel free to go back over the videos,""" start="00:13:05.800" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look at them slowly,""" start="00:13:11.760" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look for interesting things you want to learn more about.""" start="00:13:12.680" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, it sounds like we are""" start="00:13:45.080" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty much ready to wrap up.""" start="00:13:49.160" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you, everyone, for coming.""" start="00:13:53.240" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you next year and also in the months in between""" start="00:13:59.000" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there are meetups,""" start="00:14:01.520" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you're going to go check out and have fun at.""" start="00:14:02.480" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for this.""" start="00:14:04.040" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, thank you for this nice Emacs weekend.""" start="00:14:05.880" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for putting it all together, Sacha and everyone.""" start="00:14:07.920" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's great. Bye!""" start="00:14:14.320" video="mainVideo-sun-close" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sun-close-nav.md b/2025/info/sun-close-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..718dbf69 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-close-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks / open session</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/sun-open-after.md b/2025/info/sun-open-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d30936b4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-open-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sun-open-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tracks""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Welcome to EmacsConf, where we have fun""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exploring just how much we can do with a text editor.""" start="00:00:02.247" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:05.485" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:07.925" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:09.484" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:11.079" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:13.216" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Watching and participating""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:16.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:19.393" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:22.486" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:24.910" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:28.885" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:31.186" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:34.388" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there 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+[[!template text="""find out more about talks, open the Etherpads,""" start="00:02:16.543" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and join the Q&A sessions.""" start="00:02:19.053" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The watch page has more tips""" start="00:02:21.204" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how to make the most of Q&A.""" start="00:02:23.366" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Etherpad""" start="00:02:25.456" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If you can, please add notes and ask questions""" start="00:02:25.456" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Etherpad for the talk.""" start="00:02:28.330" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That makes it easier""" start="00:02:30.133" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] 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video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Captions""" start="00:03:32.778" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Once again, we're going to be streaming with open captions""" start="00:03:32.778" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for most of the talks this year, thanks to our speakers and""" start="00:03:35.588" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captioning volunteers.""" start="00:03:38.480" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The captioned talks are indicated on the schedule,""" start="00:03:39.896" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with any luck, we'll be posting""" start="00:03:42.523" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""videos and transcripts on talk pages""" start="00:03:44.313" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/sun-open-nav.md b/2025/info/sun-open-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2f6390d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/sun-open-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2025/talks/open-mic">Open session</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2025/talks/modern">Some problems of modernizing Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/swanky-after.md b/2025/info/swanky-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..53c84315 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/swanky-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,387 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="swanky-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hello everyone, I'm Scott""" start="00:00:00.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll be talking about Swanky Python,""" start="00:00:02.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a development environment for Python""" start="00:00:04.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on Emacs' Slime package.""" start="00:00:06.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what is that and why might you find it interesting?""" start="00:00:08.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SLIME is the Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs.""" start="00:00:11.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an Emacs package for developing Common Lisp,""" start="00:00:15.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's a bit different from the way we develop most languages""" start="00:00:18.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that you're always connected""" start="00:00:20.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a running instance of your application,""" start="00:00:22.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you kind of build up your application, piece by piece,""" start="00:00:25.400" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""modifying one expression at a time""" start="00:00:27.960" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without ever having to restart your application.""" start="00:00:30.400" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So why might you want to develop this way?""" start="00:00:34.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One advantage is that you can get a faster feedback loop.""" start="00:00:36.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For some kinds of software, it doesn't make a big difference.""" start="00:00:40.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, if you're developing a web backend""" start="00:00:42.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where all state is stored externally in a database,""" start="00:00:43.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can have a file watcher""" start="00:00:48.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that just restarts the whole Python process""" start="00:00:50.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you make any edit,""" start="00:00:52.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're not really losing anything,""" start="00:00:54.640" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because all the state is stored outside the Python process""" start="00:00:56.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a database. So it works great.""" start="00:00:59.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for other kinds of software, like""" start="00:01:01.720" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say you're developing an Emacs package""" start="00:01:03.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a video game,""" start="00:01:05.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it can be a real pain to restart the application""" start="00:01:07.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and recreate the state it was in before""" start="00:01:10.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to test the effect of each edit you want to make.""" start="00:01:12.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another advantage is the runtime introspection you have available.""" start="00:01:17.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So since you're always connected""" start="00:01:21.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a running instance of your application,""" start="00:01:22.680" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can inspect the values of variables,""" start="00:01:25.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can trace functions, and all sorts of other information""" start="00:01:27.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help you understand your application better.""" start="00:01:30.960" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And lastly, it's just a lot of fun to develop this way,""" start="00:01:36.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least I find it fun developing with SLIME,""" start="00:01:39.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I wrote a SLIME backend for Python""" start="00:01:43.520" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I could have more fun when I'm coding in Python.""" start="00:01:45.760" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As for the name swanky-python, within SLIME,""" start="00:01:48.800" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swank is the name of the Common Lisp backend""" start="00:01:52.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that runs within your Common Lisp application""" start="00:01:56.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connects to Emacs. So I'm not too creative.""" start="00:01:59.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swanky-python is just a swank implementation in Python.""" start="00:02:02.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:02:08.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's see it in action. 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+[[!template text="""but I think that will require patching CPython""" start="00:12:49.632" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I really have no idea how to do that.""" start="00:12:54.032" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you do know anything about CPython internals""" start="00:12:56.580" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and are interested in helping, please reach out.""" start="00:13:00.532" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""pydumpling""" start="00:13:03.721" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another feature we have with the backtrace buffer is""" start="00:13:03.721" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's this library called PyDumpling""" start="00:13:07.120" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can serialize a traceback and 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+[[!template text="""from the doc strings for the module""" start="00:14:35.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the classes and so on.""" start="00:14:37.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you won't see documentation for libraries""" start="00:14:39.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you don't have actually loaded""" start="00:14:41.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your running Python process.""" start="00:14:43.160" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can go browse to classes.""" start="00:14:45.940" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It'll show all the attributes, their methods, and so on.""" start="00:14:50.120" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By each method to the right, it will show""" start="00:14:54.720" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the base class where the method was originally inherited from.""" start="00:14:57.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also bring up a screen with all the Python packages""" start="00:15:02.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are installed, and browse that with imenu,""" start="00:15:09.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and bring up information on any package and so on.""" start="00:15:14.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thread view""" start="00:15:20.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, let's take a look at the thread view.""" start="00:15:20.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's run this and then bring up the thread view""" start="00:15:28.500" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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within the same thread.""" start="00:16:16.600" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go to the project readme,""" start="00:16:18.520" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a demo of how to use the async task viewer""" start="00:16:20.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a fastapi project.""" start="00:16:23.920" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tracing functions""" start="00:16:27.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, let's look at tracing functions.""" start="00:16:27.440" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we got some random error,""" start="00:16:33.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is still very much a work in progress.""" start="00:16:36.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it looks like it executed""" start="00:16:39.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""correctly this time.""" start="00:16:42.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now let's mark the fibonacci function""" start="00:16:43.200" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for tracing and execute it.""" start="00:16:47.566" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can see, every time the function is called,""" start="00:16:50.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all its arguments and return values.""" start="00:16:56.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, there are presentations that we can inspect and so on.""" start="00:16:58.240" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let's inspect a more complex object, like a file object.""" start="00:17:02.900" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we trace the count_lines function and run that code,""" start="00:17:06.080" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we can inspect the file it was passed, or the file object.""" start="00:17:11.340" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One pitfall is that in Python, objects are mutable.""" start="00:17:15.320" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in the trace buffer, the string representation""" start="00:17:21.040" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's printed is the string representation""" start="00:17:25.560" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time it was passed to the function.""" start="00:17:27.880" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when we go to inspect it,""" start="00:17:31.220" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're inspecting the 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I'm happy to discuss.""" start="00:19:02.360" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""LSP-type features""" start="00:19:06.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, let's look at standard LSP-type features.""" start="00:19:06.000" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we've got completions. 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I'm happy to help and try and fix them.""" start="00:20:56.120" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's it. Thanks for listening.""" start="00:20:59.280" video="mainVideo-swanky" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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All right, perfect.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Zachary Romero""" start="00:00:05.820" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll be giving a talk""" start="00:00:07.876" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how I'm using Emacs for Android""" start="00:00:08.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to replace my fitness app I normally use.""" start="00:00:12.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it goes without saying""" start="00:00:15.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a lot of the mobile ecosystem these days""" start="00:00:17.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are pretty hostile to the interest of its users.""" start="00:00:21.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's privacy policies""" start="00:00:25.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are constantly collecting your data and selling it.""" start="00:00:27.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without your consent, bombardment of ads.""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's a lot of features that are locked.""" start="00:00:36.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes features that the app gives you,""" start="00:00:38.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're put behind paywalls.""" start="00:00:40.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so a lot of the ecosystem""" start="00:00:42.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't in the best interest of users.""" start="00:00:45.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And obviously there are apps like on F-Droid""" start="00:00:49.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Android ecosystem that do try to address this,""" start="00:00:51.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the solutions overall are lagging""" start="00:00:56.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind maybe desktop computers.""" start="00:00:59.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One option that has come in the past few years""" start="00:01:05.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is Emacs on Android. It's just a normal Emacs build,""" start="00:01:14.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it can do everything, in theory, that Emacs can do.""" start="00:01:17.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I got to thinking how could I, how I could use Emacs""" start="00:01:21.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to replace some of the proprietary apps""" start="00:01:24.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I use on a daily basis.""" start="00:01:27.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I just went thinking about the apps,""" start="00:01:28.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the apps that Emacs can replace.""" start="00:01:31.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of them seem quite easy.""" start="00:01:33.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of them... maybe might take a little effort but seem doable""" start="00:01:35.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then obviously there's a whole class of apps""" start="00:01:39.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be pretty impossible to emulate on Emacs.""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I mean besides like to-do lists, note taking, org mode,""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one thing that came to mind was my fitness tracking app.""" start="00:01:52.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is an app I use pretty often""" start="00:01:55.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in theory Emacs should be quite usable for this case.""" start="00:01:59.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So weightlifting tracking is,""" start="00:02:06.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's normally used to record""" start="00:02:09.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what exercises you do at what intensity""" start="00:02:13.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to progress week by week.""" start="00:02:17.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you might plan on like slowly increasing""" start="00:02:20.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the amount of effort you put into""" start="00:02:25.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your various workouts from week to week,""" start="00:02:27.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe you'll have put some rest weeks in there.""" start="00:02:30.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so you want a detailed plan""" start="00:02:34.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and recording of what you do throughout the week.""" start="00:02:37.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I guess way back, normally""" start="00:02:40.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would have been done on pen and paper.""" start="00:02:43.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you would take your notebook""" start="00:02:45.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just write down on paper what you did.""" start="00:02:48.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this obviously works, and a lot of people do do this.""" start="00:02:51.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But these days, there are quite a few apps""" start="00:02:56.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that make this process quite seamless and effortless.""" start="00:02:59.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just as an example, really fast.""" start="00:03:02.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is one of the popular apps out these days""" start="00:03:06.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has such a feature.""" start="00:03:09.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can save all your workout routines""" start="00:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this nice interface.""" start="00:03:13.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so you click a button and then it starts,""" start="00:03:14.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the workout interface and then""" start="00:03:18.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can kind of, you go through your workout""" start="00:03:20.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can input,""" start="00:03:23.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can input like what things you do.""" start="00:03:25.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it has this like fancy timer at the bottom.""" start="00:03:27.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like, this is kind of like the,""" start="00:03:29.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of like what a lot of people use these days,""" start="00:03:30.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just for, just for, to make it as frictionless as possible.""" start="00:03:35.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So obviously you can do like this bare bone text editing in Emacs.""" start="00:03:39.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have to open up an org mode file and just right away.""" start="00:03:44.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, but there are a number of problems with this.""" start="00:03:46.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like, especially on mobile,""" start="00:03:48.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""character by character editing,""" start="00:03:50.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like writing all these, this text out manually,""" start="00:03:52.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe some formatting, it can be pretty tedious""" start="00:03:55.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not, maybe not something you want to, you want to have to do,""" start="00:03:58.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if you're like exhausted or tired.""" start="00:04:01.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I mean, there's also like the problem""" start="00:04:04.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of like remembering which, where in your workout you are,""" start="00:04:06.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like how many of these, these, like which,""" start="00:04:09.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, like where are you, where you are,""" start="00:04:11.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, um like which set number set number are you on""" start="00:04:13.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you on the first second""" start="00:04:17.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then also like maybe you failed""" start="00:04:17.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe you weren't able to like perform this""" start="00:04:19.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe you have to make a note that so like""" start="00:04:22.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's even more text editing you would have to do""" start="00:04:24.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um also some things like unit conversions""" start="00:04:28.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you could use calc""" start="00:04:30.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you know you'd have to like open up the calc,""" start="00:04:31.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then number, unit conversion, switch buffers.""" start="00:04:35.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's doable, but it takes a little effort.""" start="00:04:39.800" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then also the rest timer.""" start="00:04:42.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you want to make sure you're resting""" start="00:04:43.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in between these exercises you do,""" start="00:04:45.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'd have to maybe open up another app,""" start="00:04:47.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe you'd have to bring your watch.""" start="00:04:51.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's another thing that""" start="00:04:52.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these apps normally would do for you.""" start="00:04:53.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So writing some Elisp, I created a package""" start="00:04:58.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to emulate that experience""" start="00:05:02.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I showed you on that other app.""" start="00:05:04.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let me just demo this real fast.""" start="00:05:06.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, the package is called org-fit.""" start="00:05:08.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so here, I'm going to start a new workout.""" start="00:05:13.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here, I'm prompted by a list of routines""" start="00:05:17.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have pre-written in org mode.""" start="00:05:19.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the header name is the routine name.""" start="00:05:22.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I can, out of all these routines I've written,""" start="00:05:25.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can select one and then also I can have it populate.""" start="00:05:29.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here it's populating preset weights I had for it.""" start="00:05:35.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, so basically this is my current attempt""" start="00:05:41.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to emulate that experience.""" start="00:05:45.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we can, so here like the arrows and the tabs,""" start="00:05:47.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they only go through like the, editable fields I can so""" start="00:05:51.040" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the notes section you see you see here in the table""" start="00:05:55.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is like the my plan for the day""" start="00:05:58.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can press space to easily""" start="00:06:00.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just fill out the data tab""" start="00:06:02.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go the next the next the next set""" start="00:06:03.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can press quote to copy from above""" start="00:06:06.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also some interesting things with Android,""" start="00:06:10.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you can bind the volume down key.""" start="00:06:13.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here I have the volume down key""" start="00:06:15.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like inputting the data automatically""" start="00:06:17.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and going to the next field.""" start="00:06:21.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see there it's quite seamless input of information.""" start="00:06:22.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice also when all the sets""" start="00:06:26.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a single exercise are done,""" start="00:06:30.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it marks that heading as done.""" start="00:06:31.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, if you notice at the top, on the left,""" start="00:06:34.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the session time for the workout.""" start="00:06:37.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then on here, we have the rest timer.""" start="00:06:42.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the rest timer is actually just defined as an org mode property.""" start="00:06:44.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here it's saying that, okay,""" start="00:06:48.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you should start the auto rest timer""" start="00:06:50.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for three minutes every time you do a set.""" start="00:06:52.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, let's fill it in, go to the next one.""" start="00:06:54.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now the rest timer is set for three minutes.""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so here I have, I can just rest""" start="00:07:00.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just have the information right here.""" start="00:07:03.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, you'll notice here we have""" start="00:07:05.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some calculations at the bottom.""" start="00:07:08.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something also that those apps provide,""" start="00:07:09.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in order to make sure you're tracking""" start="00:07:12.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on certain levels of intensity.""" start="00:07:14.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see, what else do we have?""" start="00:07:16.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can add warmups, automatic warmup set inserting, unit conversions,""" start="00:07:22.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then Something else to know""" start="00:07:30.880" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that all of these actions I'm doing,""" start="00:07:33.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're all bound to a single key""" start="00:07:35.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make things as effortless as possible.""" start="00:07:37.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's the app in a nutshell.""" start="00:07:40.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, so how is this done?""" start="00:07:43.680" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the philosophy behind this is to use org mode as a base.""" start="00:07:47.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all the functionality, the timer for the session,""" start="00:07:51.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's just clock in or clock in.""" start="00:07:55.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The various, all the data you fill in,""" start="00:08:00.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the exercises, routines, those are just org headings,""" start="00:08:05.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like with nested entries.""" start="00:08:09.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, and then all the movement,""" start="00:08:12.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a lot of the editing stuff""" start="00:08:14.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just going off of the org mode API.""" start="00:08:16.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like here, my upper field, is actually just using the,""" start="00:08:18.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's using like the org table go to line function.""" start="00:08:22.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Adding a no is org table put.""" start="00:08:26.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like all of my functions I'm using,""" start="00:08:29.000" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're just building off of the org mode API.""" start="00:08:31.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I found that this pattern worked work pretty well.""" start="00:08:33.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you get the benefits of org mode""" start="00:08:38.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the ease of using it on mobile.""" start="00:08:41.960" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I guess in the last few minutes of this talk,""" start="00:08:48.840" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just go over some quick things""" start="00:08:51.920" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about working with Android that might come up.""" start="00:08:53.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the first thing is notifications.""" start="00:08:56.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is actually an interesting feature.""" start="00:08:58.880" 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Great answer.""" start="00:27:41.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think we're just at about 90 seconds left.""" start="00:27:44.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perfect amount of time, I think, to just wrap up.""" start="00:27:47.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Closing thoughts. I'll share mine first.""" start="00:27:50.120" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really appreciate you, Zach.""" start="00:27:52.200" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for putting this talk together.""" start="00:27:53.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is the type of talk""" start="00:27:56.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's really going to tie the room together""" start="00:27:59.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for people that may be, you know, not sure how they can take""" start="00:28:01.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although they've been interested in that,""" start="00:28:07.560" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this can be a really good way to kind of open up the world.""" start="00:28:12.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you for putting it together.""" start="00:28:16.400" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would just say""" start="00:28:20.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like definitely just try things out.""" start="00:28:22.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like if you think, you know,""" start="00:28:24.160" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're just like random ideas,""" start="00:28:25.360" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a book tracking app or like a recipe app,""" start="00:28:26.440" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, you know, there's a lot of things""" start="00:28:30.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you do on your mobile device""" start="00:28:33.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that aren't like banking apps that you could easily,""" start="00:28:35.600" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that seem like they could be done in Emacs.""" start="00:28:37.720" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, just try different things out""" start="00:28:39.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would love to hear what other people do. Bravo.""" start="00:28:42.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I appreciate it once again, you're coming together""" start="00:28:47.240" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially you're doing it live.""" start="00:28:52.520" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that as a conference, we have a lot of preference""" start="00:28:56.640" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for those recorded talks""" start="00:29:00.080" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and getting the captioning together,""" start="00:29:01.480" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just have a special place in my heart""" start="00:29:02.760" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the energy that comes with a live talk""" start="00:29:05.320" video="mainVideo-weights" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I appreciate you doing it. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2025/info/writing-nav.md b/2025/info/writing-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f413029d --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/writing-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by time: <a href="/2025/talks/gnus">Reading and writing emails in GNU Emacs with Gnus</a> +Next by time: <a href="/2025/talks/bookclub-tapas">Bookclub tapas</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2025/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> +</div> diff --git a/2025/info/zettelkasten-after.md b/2025/info/zettelkasten-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e7dec77c --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/zettelkasten-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1845 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="zettelkasten-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello there, fellow basement dwellers.""" start="00:00:01.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Christian and you are watching """" start="00:00:03.939" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zettelkasten for Regular Emacs Hackers,"""" start="00:00:05.959" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my Emacs Conference 2025 talk submission.""" start="00:00:08.520" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this presentation,""" start="00:00:12.921" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll be showing you a couple of things""" start="00:00:14.001" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Zettelkasten, very basic mechanics and habits""" start="00:00:15.701" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can pick up and implement in Emacs,""" start="00:00:18.702" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most malleable of all environments,""" start="00:00:21.623" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make a thinking environment happen in your life""" start="00:00:24.443" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that stays with you potentially forever.""" start="00:00:27.824" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The subtitle "For Regular Emacs Hackers" implies at least""" start="00:00:32.435" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the possibility of irregular Emacs hackers""" start="00:00:36.056" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and regular Emacs non-hackers, so the target audience here""" start="00:00:38.357" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is people who are comfortable tweaking their setup""" start="00:00:42.499" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when they run into issues and use Emacs to write,""" start="00:00:45.120" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter if it's prose or code.""" start="00:00:47.981" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's regular Emacs hacking.""" start="00:00:49.981" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't need to be an irregular Emacs hacker,""" start="00:00:53.632" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, being a core maintainer or whatever.""" start="00:00:55.615" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just need to be a normal user""" start="00:00:58.760" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who also modifies the setup.""" start="00:01:01.244" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, you should probably not be an Emacs non-hacker.""" start="00:01:06.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or maybe you shouldn't stay an Emacs non-hacker,""" start="00:01:10.302" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""someone who is not tweaking their setup ever.""" start="00:01:12.782" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, if you just open your application""" start="00:01:16.003" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to write with a double click,""" start="00:01:18.821" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it happens to be Emacs, this may not be for you,""" start="00:01:20.241" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you ultimately be the judge there.""" start="00:01:23.284" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Advocating Freedoms""" start="00:01:25.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It is my sacred duty to, of course,""" start="00:01:25.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""advocate all the essential freedoms during this presentation.""" start="00:01:28.745" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the following.""" start="00:01:32.666" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall not be shackled by a proprietary tool.""" start="00:01:34.508" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(You shall be shackled by Emacs. (Which is free software.))""" start="00:01:37.390" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall also not be shackled by an esoteric method""" start="00:01:40.792" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that turns out to be a grift""" start="00:01:44.115" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you need to visit annual workshops, walk on broken glass""" start="00:01:45.276" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff to be a true ""knower"".""" start="00:01:47.898" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall be empowered to do great things""" start="00:01:50.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the rest of your life after this session alone.""" start="00:01:52.881" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not a sales pitch.""" start="00:01:55.884" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, you should also not be shackled""" start="00:01:58.871" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by whichever sources of information you rely on in the future.""" start="00:02:00.652" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You shall be free to think and explore new ideas,""" start="00:02:05.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ideally forever, in an environment you built to your liking,""" start="00:02:07.854" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without the degrading web searches and the dead internet""" start="00:02:12.176" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getting in your way. No libraries, no dead trees.""" start="00:02:15.797" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's you and your knowledge base""" start="00:02:18.858" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can truly produce magnificent things.""" start="00:02:21.539" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What Is This About?""" start="00:02:29.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is this about? In the teaser text for this session,""" start="00:02:29.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I brought up that when people talk about Emacs""" start="00:02:33.587" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pulling in everything that people do on their computer,""" start="00:02:36.149" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's usually things they used other software for in the past.""" start="00:02:38.932" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like email, chat, playing music, browsing the web,""" start="00:02:42.615" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""managing tasks, you know, stuff like that.""" start="00:02:46.058" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't have a good blueprint for thinking environments though.""" start="00:02:48.820" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not a trivial task,""" start="00:02:51.762" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just port this or that to Emacs""" start="00:02:53.264" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you'll be happy and productive.""" start="00:02:54.745" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's different from doing your emails""" start="00:02:56.706" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or task management or writing in Emacs,""" start="00:02:58.200" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we have a lot of experience with existing software""" start="00:03:00.329" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to adapt and deviate from, where we can essentially""" start="00:03:02.951" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""port the task to Emacs. We can practice to think,""" start="00:03:06.414" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""purposefully and productively, on complex things""" start="00:03:09.856" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over long periods of time""" start="00:03:12.999" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we create bespoke environments that help with that.""" start="00:03:14.460" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first assumption is this:""" start="00:03:19.060" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Writing is very important to form complex thought.""" start="00:03:20.468" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Without writing, you won't be able to cross""" start="00:03:24.059" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a certain complexity threshold.""" start="00:03:26.280" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thinking in your head alone without any externalization""" start="00:03:28.761" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes you prone to loops, repetitions,""" start="00:03:31.922" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and worst of all: jumps.""" start="00:03:34.262" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jumps that get you to a point,""" start="00:03:36.143" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not backed by reason or argument.""" start="00:03:38.563" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you and your future and others cannot follow.""" start="00:03:40.724" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Written words direct thought.""" start="00:03:46.502" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The linearization or sequence-making of thoughts""" start="00:03:48.363" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""frames your next idea. That's the same for reading,""" start="00:03:51.985" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which enables you to pick up existing ideas""" start="00:03:55.307" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and continue to write about them later.""" start="00:03:57.308" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for "good thinking", writing, reading,""" start="00:04:00.250" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and writing is mandatory.""" start="00:04:02.811" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is good at showing text to read.""" start="00:04:05.073" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's good at processing keyboard inputs to write.""" start="00:04:07.194" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go. Let's set up an environment within Emacs""" start="00:04:09.635" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make this thinking thing happen.""" start="00:04:13.177" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll walk you through some mechanics""" start="00:04:16.320" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the Zettelkasten machine and habits for you,""" start="00:04:18.060" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dear thinker and regular Emacs hacker.""" start="00:04:20.882" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for your reference, highlight these things""" start="00:04:22.901" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I present them in the bottom left corner of the screen.""" start="00:04:25.886" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So working with Zettelkasten as a thinking environment""" start="00:04:30.469" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only requires very simple mechanics.""" start="00:04:33.191" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Write - Essential Mechanic""" start="00:04:36.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First one is to write. 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video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You spend time and effort at the writing stage,""" start="00:05:40.181" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are the primary audience,""" start="00:05:42.312" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so do your past self a favor and read what you wrote.""" start="00:05:43.793" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then as you read it, make it better.""" start="00:05:46.896" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make it better, continuously make things better""" start="00:05:50.479" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and capture new ideas as they come up as you read.""" start="00:05:52.341" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And things you can only now remember""" start="00:05:55.223" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you learned about things in the meantime.""" start="00:05:57.785" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll also get better at this whole thing with practice.""" start="00:06:00.928" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So improve old notes when you find them lacking in detail,""" start="00:06:03.430" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""their tone pretentious, their mere existence""" start="00:06:05.867" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an insult to your intelligence.""" start="00:06:08.576" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pay [knocks on table] attention [knocks again]""" start="00:06:10.896" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to pain points in using notes.""" start="00:06:11.736" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I knocked on my desk to emphasize.""" start="00:06:13.640" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And fix things on the fly.""" start="00:06:16.560" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From this principle follows""" start="00:06:18.602" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of common practices and tips.""" start="00:06:19.803" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This principle truly is essential.""" start="00:06:22.064" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Too long and you didn't read it?""" start="00:06:24.126" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Add a summary at the beginning.""" start="00:06:25.547" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can't understand what you wrote a year ago?""" start="00:06:27.228" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we will come to later.""" start="00:06:46.734" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Design for Use - Habit""" start="00:06:49.434" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next habit, non-essential though,""" start="00:06:49.434" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to create notes with intent to use them.""" start="00:06:52.072" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's one thing to write about facts, capture information,""" start="00:06:55.333" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but all this is just collecting stuff.""" start="00:06:58.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's another thing altogether to write about""" start="00:07:01.355" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a train of thought, about an argument you found compelling,""" start="00:07:03.616" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about a model to understand the world, or yourself,""" start="00:07:06.557" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a better way. 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Don't be sloppy.""" start="00:09:54.568" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Put in effort early to get faster at this.""" start="00:09:58.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is essential, because without putting effort""" start="00:10:00.601" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into writing, you won't have anything to use.""" start="00:10:04.160" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Connect and leave trails to navigate.""" start="00:10:08.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That can tell a story when you traverse the trail later.""" start="00:10:10.501" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is essential because without connection,""" start="00:10:13.620" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will not get anywhere.""" start="00:10:16.541" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Correct and improve things as you go.""" start="00:10:18.601" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The last essential thing: well,""" start="00:10:20.301" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't worry about perfection, and then,""" start="00:10:21.840" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be gentle to your past self.""" start="00:10:24.142" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Adapt to what you learn along the way.""" start="00:10:25.803" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's essential, because without this attitude,""" start="00:10:27.977" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can easily get stuck in analysis paralysis,""" start="00:10:31.125" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like where do I need to put this,""" start="00:10:33.746" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or what would be the perfect way to phrase this.""" start="00:10:35.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Design for use. 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That's a process.""" start="00:12:10.587" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But from the perspective of the Zettelkasten as a system,""" start="00:12:13.848" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a mechanic or rather dynamic,""" start="00:12:18.149" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Zettelkasten grows organically.""" start="00:12:20.610" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to your constant intervention and usage of course.""" start="00:12:23.150" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how time passes in your Zettelkasten.""" start="00:12:25.311" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how a process of transformation enters the system.""" start="00:12:27.632" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The transformation affects the network.""" start="00:12:32.273" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every new or updated note,""" start="00:12:34.801" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every new connection changes the network.""" start="00:12:36.256" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The existing network then imposes demands""" start="00:12:38.558" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for new stuff to fit in, slowly solidifying""" start="00:12:40.719" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how things are organized to be perceived as orderly.""" start="00:12:43.680" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is calcifying.""" start="00:12:47.364" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's emergent creation of structure from use.""" start="00:12:49.085" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Structure here is expectation for what could come next.""" start="00:12:52.327" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On top of this interplay of emergent structure""" start="00:12:56.269" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your notes and processes""" start="00:12:58.650" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that operate these constraints,""" start="00:13:00.191" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can design and influence and architect""" start="00:13:01.872" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have explicit structures and patterns,""" start="00:13:04.373" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore you can influence what is expected,""" start="00:13:06.874" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is unexpected and what fits""" start="00:13:09.634" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what needs to change to fit in.""" start="00:13:11.837" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the time you spend designing these things""" start="00:13:14.258" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will influence how the Zettelkasten""" start="00:13:18.140" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will behave in the future.""" start="00:13:20.301" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Facilitate Growth""" start="00:13:22.034" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""To prepare for growth""" start="00:13:22.034" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will probably encounter thresholds along your journey.""" start="00:13:24.062" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like 1-10 notes, well,""" start="00:13:27.534" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can easily remember all of them.""" start="00:13:29.268" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10-100, you will have forgotten some details,""" start="00:13:31.301" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but will probably remember writing most of these notes""" start="00:13:34.334" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in some way. 100-1000?""" start="00:13:37.068" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bad luck, you will have a hard time going through everything""" start="00:13:40.240" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one by one to find what you have. You will have to rely on""" start="00:13:42.920" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""filtering results. For example, with a full text search,""" start="00:13:46.440" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will crave to use tags and keywords more""" start="00:13:50.088" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to group notes into more manageable departments or collections.""" start="00:13:53.493" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By this mark, search results produce way too many results.""" start="00:14:02.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Popular tags become overcrowded,""" start="00:14:05.880" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have the same problem you had in the last stage,""" start="00:14:07.968" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for each of these tags.""" start="00:14:10.070" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So manual structures will take you through this.""" start="00:14:12.520" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anticipate growth pains by starting from structures.""" start="00:14:15.780" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the recommendation here. 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And there you see.""" start="00:15:02.440" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's an empty new note. Here,""" start="00:15:08.595" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sped up like two or three times the normal typing speed of me,""" start="00:15:10.497" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is how I would process this very Emacs conference talk.""" start="00:15:16.421" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The essential mechanics and habits, additional habits,""" start="00:15:21.786" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mechanics, and then from there after I capture everything.""" start="00:15:25.669" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make sure that I have a reference.""" start="00:15:30.112" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not a thought-out implementation in Emacs,""" start="00:15:32.054" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is just plain text. Christian Tietze,""" start="00:15:36.137" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zettelkasten for Regular Emacs Hackers at the bottom.""" start="00:15:39.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use reference management systems that you like,""" start="00:15:42.147" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't want to get into these details.""" start="00:15:46.586" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I'm creating a note with the denote shortcut.""" start="00:15:49.234" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Based on the selected text,""" start="00:15:54.368" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm starting a link. 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Just garbage in, garbage out.""" start="00:16:20.528" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Processing this from Wikipedia.""" start="00:16:23.654" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have a detail note from this overview.""" start="00:16:27.921" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's an overview with one link already.""" start="00:16:31.864" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Starting from here, now I want to write more about my talk.""" start="00:16:34.266" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And next we create structure, types of structures, etc.""" start="00:16:38.669" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It creates a weird link, but I can edit this easily""" start="00:16:43.773" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks to Emacs being so nice to work with.""" start="00:16:46.836" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A couple of examples. 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Atom, smallest part;""" start="00:17:43.924" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""molecule, comprised of atoms;""" start="00:17:47.800" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and organism is comprised of molecules.""" start="00:17:49.568" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Different level of analysis. Because this is irreducible.""" start="00:17:51.969" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, if you have no clue about reducibility,""" start="00:17:56.433" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""irreducibility -- that doesn't mean much to you? --""" start="00:17:59.155" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but look this up. You can go very deep""" start="00:18:02.197" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this kind of stuff. It's basically that if you""" start="00:18:05.979" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""decompose organs into atoms,""" start="00:18:10.618" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you cannot get back to the organs.""" start="00:18:12.523" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have a bunch of atoms. There's information loss,""" start="00:18:14.126" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more or less.""" start="00:18:17.073" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here you see that I create a new thing at the end""" start="00:18:19.880" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can write about Denote. The tool doesn't matter,""" start="00:18:24.247" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when you use Emacs, use Denote because, well, why?""" start="00:18:26.950" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's get into this. Fix the link.""" start="00:18:31.835" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are good reasons to use Denote.""" start="00:18:35.458" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Denote is very simple. Denote has a couple of sane defaults.""" start="00:18:37.280" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That makes life easier. Backlinks.""" start="00:18:44.380" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will see a backlink view at the end.""" start="00:18:47.079" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to create a couple of things.""" start="00:18:51.141" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm copying the source code there, the Elisp source,""" start="00:18:52.398" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can see, hey, this is just an Org Mode file.""" start="00:18:55.965" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can style it to your liking""" start="00:19:01.668" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can even execute the code if you want.""" start="00:19:03.630" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very powerful. Create notes as links first to avoid orphans.""" start="00:19:06.752" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Forward link again.""" start="00:19:13.295" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At least I wanted to create a forward link.""" start="00:19:14.676" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I pressed the wrong shortcut.""" start="00:19:16.016" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, I can fix this easily.""" start="00:19:17.037" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see, there's no link. Dammit.""" start="00:19:19.738" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I need to create the link after the fact.""" start="00:19:23.480" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a list of shortcuts. The denote keymap.""" start="00:19:26.762" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a recommended practice by me,""" start="00:19:33.280" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting your note with a link.""" start="00:19:35.166" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've heard this all just a couple of minutes ago.""" start="00:19:36.767" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It reduces orphans and supposedly teaches you""" start="00:19:40.640" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about thinking in connections early.""" start="00:19:42.855" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a good practice to practice.""" start="00:19:45.575" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So with that note, trying to switch back.""" start="00:19:53.100" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Denote note switching, that wasn't as smooth,""" start="00:19:55.939" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but inserting links is.""" start="00:20:00.120" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you go. Here's a backlink view. And that's it.""" start="00:20:01.320" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a somewhat self-documenting way,""" start="00:20:10.180" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here you see a structure note""" start="00:20:12.652" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an overview that represents the gist""" start="00:20:14.868" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this Emacs conference talk,""" start="00:20:17.683" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a couple of links to details.""" start="00:20:19.564" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From these details, as you've seen,""" start="00:20:21.840" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go into even more detail. That's all there is to it.""" start="00:20:24.108" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Repeat this for infinity,""" start="00:20:27.892" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you get really really complex networks""" start="00:20:30.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can do a lot of amazing things in parallel""" start="00:20:32.876" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without interference.""" start="00:20:35.859" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Learn, Share, Grow""" start="00:20:39.068" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I just want to stress that the Zettelkasten""" start="00:20:39.068" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can help you to learn when you publish, when you share,""" start="00:20:42.440" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when you grow it and yourself in the process.""" start="00:20:47.033" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, design the Zettelkasten to be used.""" start="00:20:51.182" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Publish something, write a blog, share stuff with co-workers.""" start="00:20:54.084" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's powerful and that's so rewarding.""" start="00:20:58.160" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can in turn influence how you do it""" start="00:21:00.486" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next time in your Zettelkasten,""" start="00:21:04.040" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because now you can anticipate these kinds of arguments,""" start="00:21:06.034" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe I can do this early on,""" start="00:21:09.381" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you're prepared even more for the future""" start="00:21:11.980" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to share what you learn.""" start="00:21:15.134" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are also invited very warmly to our""" start="00:21:17.480" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community of practice in the Zettelkasten forums.""" start="00:21:20.160" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just share your journey, write about your projects,""" start="00:21:23.320" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask questions. Everyone's welcome, newbie to pro.""" start="00:21:26.156" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just get in touch with people, talk about the processes,""" start="00:21:29.794" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improve them, and eventually you'll figure out, well,""" start="00:21:32.675" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reaching enlightenment in that regard may not be that hard after all,""" start="00:21:35.362" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you're fine and good to go for the next projects""" start="00:21:39.980" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you tackle. Most importantly is to make this thing your own.""" start="00:21:42.954" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Zettelkasten, the method, the environment.""" start="00:21:48.560" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Create a thinking environment for you.""" start="00:21:50.747" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Create your own tools to think with.""" start="00:21:53.475" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This goes back to the meme of Shuhari,""" start="00:21:56.878" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is basically imitate and then deviate and innovate.""" start="00:21:59.379" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this invitation here is to imitate what I just laid out.""" start="00:22:02.801" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Imitate for a couple of years. One, two, three years.""" start="00:22:07.124" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The time goes by faster [snaps fingers] than you think.""" start="00:22:10.587" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then figure out ways to deviate from the doctrine,""" start="00:22:12.928" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to figure out ways to improve""" start="00:22:16.449" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and change the processes to fit you better.""" start="00:22:18.910" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you need to try to manifest""" start="00:22:22.031" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the best practices in your life first,""" start="00:22:24.452" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a while, to then figure out, well,""" start="00:22:26.653" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they are not that best after all""" start="00:22:28.834" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I need to change some of them.""" start="00:22:30.854" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you wouldn't know if you didn't try. So do try.""" start="00:22:33.055" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and with that I want to thank you.""" start="00:22:37.065" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for watching. That's it.""" start="00:22:38.640" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was the conference talk,""" start="00:22:40.250" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my short introduction to the Zettelkasten mechanics and habits.""" start="00:22:41.532" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Outro""" start="00:22:45.297" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I want to thank you so much for watching""" start="00:22:45.297" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and spending time with me on this topic,""" start="00:22:46.679" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on these two topics actually,""" start="00:22:48.381" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are very near and dear to my heart.""" start="00:22:50.144" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do share questions, ask questions in the etherpad.""" start="00:22:52.547" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you watch this after the conference""" start="00:22:55.400" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the live participation is long over,""" start="00:22:57.609" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""step into the forums and ask around there.""" start="00:23:01.191" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks also to Sacha and team for organizing EmacsConf 2025,""" start="00:23:04.633" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for having me. Well, I'm looking forward to hearing from""" start="00:23:09.235" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every one of you. So that's it.""" start="00:23:11.596" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Peace out and see you in the next one.""" start="00:23:14.257" video="mainVideo-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="zettelkasten-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Yes. All right. Take it away. Thank you, Christian. Thank you, too.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you could have the pad open at the same time,""" start="00:00:07.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can read the questions.""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I can start reading some to you while I'm here.""" start="00:00:11.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, no. I can read them.""" start="00:00:13.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was wondering whether I should maybe copy them into a new buffer.""" start="00:00:14.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they are also on screen. Increase the font size a bit.""" start="00:00:21.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm trying to do this on the fly.""" start="00:00:30.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe a bad idea. Let's see.""" start="00:00:39.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you're going to capture it""" start="00:00:41.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your Zettelkasten then. Is that what's happening?""" start="00:00:42.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I can start you off.""" start="00:00:45.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question is, I wonder what they use for the fancy animations.""" start="00:00:49.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was thinking about this because that's the first question""" start="00:00:56.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I was thinking about this""" start="00:00:59.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while I copied this stuff over.""" start="00:01:00.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What part is the fancy part?""" start="00:01:02.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can recommend books, like if anyone wants to have book recommendations""" start="00:01:09.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for how to make presentations with PowerPoint-like software""" start="00:01:13.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very simple way, we taught this at university.""" start="00:01:18.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was it now, some 15 years ago,""" start="00:01:23.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to students to make animation abuse""" start="00:01:25.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where everything was flashy and typed in or something.""" start="00:01:28.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't do this, but instead do a couple of very simple tasteful things""" start="00:01:32.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like fading through colors like filmmakers do, right?""" start="00:01:36.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fading through black to make a scene cut""" start="00:01:41.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just fade between things, the fanciness.""" start="00:01:44.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Presentation software stack, the fanciness.""" start="00:01:47.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't dial fanciness up,""" start="00:01:53.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just resorted to a very simple fade animations,""" start="00:01:55.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like fading stuff in and wipe, I think, for text effects.""" start="00:02:00.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was it, more or less.""" start="00:02:04.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for the lines, maybe the lines are fancy.""" start="00:02:06.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using Apple Keynote because I'm fastest with that,""" start="00:02:09.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I also usually, we taught this workshop with PowerPoint""" start="00:02:14.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think the LibreOffice stack got much better with that""" start="00:02:19.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well in the recent years,""" start="00:02:23.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't tried that in a long time""" start="00:02:24.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to like fiddle around and find all the knobs to dial.""" start="00:02:26.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the Apple presentation thingy has this nice feature""" start="00:02:31.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you draw an arrow with a tip,""" start="00:02:34.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have a special animation for line drawing,""" start="00:02:37.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is only available for line art.""" start="00:02:41.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it draws the arrow that moves around like that.""" start="00:02:42.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, presentation stack, Apple Keynote,""" start="00:02:45.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably not of interest for anyone here.""" start="00:02:48.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually don't use plain text presentation stuff, right?""" start="00:02:52.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I tried this, I tried this with markdown presentations,""" start="00:02:56.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slidey things, org presentation.""" start="00:03:03.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's always not enough control for the fiddly things""" start="00:03:08.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm interested in to make the experience great.""" start="00:03:12.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I wonder what are the fancy animations.""" start="00:03:17.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the stack, the stack is Apple Keynote, sorry.""" start="00:03:20.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, that's enough. Thank you for capturing.""" start="00:03:25.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are you not a fan? Okay. You saw this in the recording.""" start="00:03:30.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why on earth is autofill mode not enabled? I don't know.""" start="00:03:37.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it is the default, but apparently it isn't.""" start="00:03:43.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could also use visual line mode.""" start="00:03:48.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's built in as well, right? Visual line mode.""" start="00:03:52.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's so weird to be in this vanilla setup""" start="00:03:55.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not have all my key bindings""" start="00:03:58.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my normal stuff ready, so.""" start="00:04:00.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am not a fan of using asterisk headings in org mode.""" start="00:04:04.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's interesting to see how people have different styles of writing org content.""" start="00:04:08.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Am I not? What exactly? 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How you could use org-mode to use headings for this,""" start="00:04:36.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's an outliner first and foremost,""" start="00:04:44.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so outlining is very natural.""" start="00:04:48.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when I do in my personal setup,""" start="00:04:50.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have this what's called start indentation thingy.""" start="00:04:53.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enabled, so that means that everything""" start="00:04:58.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be indented one level from the start.""" start="00:05:01.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would probably fiddle around""" start="00:05:04.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with that to not get like crazy.""" start="00:05:05.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But also, I don't see, I don't see,""" start="00:05:07.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like really see when I look at this,""" start="00:05:12.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't see a potential to create subheadings,""" start="00:05:13.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, or even headings.""" start="00:05:17.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only heading here is the title,""" start="00:05:19.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like in my perception of this node,""" start="00:05:21.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's one, It's two lists.""" start="00:05:24.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could group these in headings.""" start="00:05:27.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't. 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to.""" start="00:11:54.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'm also kind of self-restricting myself in a way""" start="00:11:57.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's a window,""" start="00:12:00.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's dark outside, and I'm well lit.""" start="00:12:01.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I just stand up and have no pants on,""" start="00:12:03.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't care that much what the neighbors like 10, 20 meters across think.""" start="00:12:05.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your mileage may vary then, right?""" start="00:12:12.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are restrictions that make sense""" start="00:12:15.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I didn't do something with it.""" start="00:13:06.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I was reading the book probably on a commute back then, on the train.""" start="00:13:10.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't take notes on the computer right away.""" start="00:13:15.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you feel caged in,""" start="00:13:18.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that may be a sign that you went too far on the,""" start="00:13:20.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to do this, I need to do that stage,""" start="00:13:24.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lose some of the playfulness.""" start="00:13:26.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There needs to be 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Like this kind of personal stuff.""" start="00:16:47.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's too much of the non-useful stuff""" start="00:16:52.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a tool that I want to use to think.""" start="00:16:55.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do see the appeal there.""" start="00:16:58.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway, the org-roam, like that's a roam part.""" start="00:17:00.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch a lot of videos""" start="00:17:04.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on that to get a feel for this.""" start="00:17:05.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org-roam adopted this to make the connection easier""" start="00:17:07.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and replicate features. 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's not check um you get a 404 and then you could write a tool""" start="00:19:07.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that checks all the links periodically""" start="00:19:12.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and tells you about broken links like a broken link checker""" start="00:19:13.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that then looks up maybe automatically""" start="00:19:17.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last good version on archive.org""" start="00:19:19.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the Wayback Machine""" start="00:19:21.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then corrects the link with the archived version""" start="00:19:23.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the live one is 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I could look this up, right?""" start="00:25:02.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""STEM, what was STEM again? I'm doing a bad job.""" start="00:25:05.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Science, technology, engineering, mathematics.""" start="00:25:09.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so probably technology is the computer stuff.""" start="00:25:12.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, STEM.""" start="00:25:16.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dear audience, that's science, technology,""" start="00:25:17.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""engineering, mathematics, academic fields.""" start="00:25:19.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What should we make notes of?""" start="00:25:23.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The important bits are interconnected in a hierarchy,""" start="00:25:24.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually chapters of a book.""" start="00:25:27.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, someone did the job of making the order""" start="00:25:28.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of the chaotic findings""" start="00:25:31.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people did over hundreds of years for you.""" start="00:25:33.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's an order. But there are also many textbooks.""" start="00:25:35.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So opinions may vary. The presentation may vary.""" start="00:25:39.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some textbooks may click with you,""" start="00:25:42.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while others stay opaque, and you can't get into the meat.""" start="00:25:48.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I'm just typing the answer right now.""" start="00:25:59.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Copying information to another box is not, yeah.""" start="00:26:04.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let's see what the first answer is.""" start="00:26:13.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone posted that Zettelkasten is great for mathematics,""" start="00:26:17.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""incredible for computer science.""" start="00:26:21.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With OrgBabel you can have living source code, yes,""" start="00:26:22.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can execute from the node,""" start="00:26:25.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also true for a formula,""" start="00:26:26.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and LaTeX in interspersing of images and SVGs.""" start="00:26:28.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even use Agda if you want to.""" start="00:26:35.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ah, I think I know who typed the answer.""" start="00:26:37.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello, Oliver. If you want to have living proofs in your nodes,""" start="00:26:39.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even inline LaTeX is in here. 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question was how Zettelkasten is useful for these kinds of things""" start="00:28:07.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah it sounds like in these kinds of fields""" start="00:28:13.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you only deal with facts""" start="00:28:16.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's also kind of sort of true for psychology where you have a lot of""" start="00:28:18.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also law where you at least in at least in German""" start="00:28:24.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and our style of law where you have a lot of where you have thick books of law""" start="00:28:29.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very very little records,""" start="00:28:33.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's 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start="00:29:04.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you probably all know.""" start="00:29:08.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you do with these kinds of things?""" start="00:29:11.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You need to collect a lot of stuff.""" start="00:29:12.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like the previous questionnaire mentioned,""" start="00:29:14.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, I'm just copying stuff over""" start="00:29:17.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I have a good time and can write about this""" start="00:29:19.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and create prose in the end.""" start="00:29:22.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like with mathematics, you can't.""" start="00:29:24.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can't do a lot when you're still working on the foundations.""" start="00:29:26.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, what do you want to do there?""" start="00:29:36.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't innovate there. You just need to learn the stuff.""" start="00:29:38.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Typing things out and creating your own organization""" start="00:29:41.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how things are connected there,""" start="00:29:45.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's where the depth of processing increases,""" start="00:29:49.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the actual depth of processing""" start="00:29:52.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it takes more effort""" start="00:29:53.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and affects more parts of your brain, basically,""" start="00:29:57.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which then helps with remembering stuff.""" start="00:30:01.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm trying not to go into a 10 minute tangent here, but""" start="00:30:03.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever tried to memorize stuff with flashcards""" start="00:30:12.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you put a, I don't know, coffee stain""" start="00:30:18.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a weird scribble or spilled something on one of these cards,""" start="00:30:20.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual physical cards there,""" start="00:30:24.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this card now has another piece of information""" start="00:30:26.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is actually important""" start="00:30:29.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it makes the card 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+[[!template text="""and just sitting in your chair""" start="00:31:52.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and relaxing because you're not engaged.""" start="00:31:54.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're losing, like you're using""" start="00:31:56.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bit of your brain matter to do the work""" start="00:31:58.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while the rest of your body is stagnant.""" start="00:32:01.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't smell anything different.""" start="00:32:04.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't hear, see, feel on your skin,""" start="00:32:07.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything's constant,""" start="00:32:09.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you're in a, what are these called?""" start="00:32:11.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These chambers where you're locked""" start="00:32:15.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into very salty water, I think.""" start="00:32:18.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Floating chambers, so sensual deprivation chambers.""" start="00:32:21.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're depriving yourself of a lot of sensual input""" start="00:32:24.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you just try to really focus""" start="00:32:29.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into everything with your head.""" start="00:32:31.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you engage more of your body,""" start="00:32:33.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you engage more of your senses,""" start="00:32:35.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you have an easier time there.""" start="00:32:36.008" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What does it have to do with this answer?""" start="00:32:37.675" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My answer would be the value is in rephrasing,""" start="00:32:40.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in making your own connections eventually.""" start="00:32:46.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, the foundational laws of geometry,""" start="00:32:51.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's no room for innovation,""" start="00:32:56.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's maybe a room for association.""" start="00:32:58.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, hey, I remember this, like, if you can't figure out""" start="00:33:00.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what the name of a certain axiom, lemma, whatever it is, and it has a name,""" start="00:33:03.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding your own story to the note doesn't hurt.""" start="00:33:09.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you say, hey, this is what my grandfather""" start="00:33:12.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taught me with wire and sticks when we tried to measure""" start="00:33:14.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever in the sand on a vacation one day.""" start="00:33:18.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And these kinds of things make it more memorable.""" start="00:33:22.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's at least something that you could need to then,""" start="00:33:26.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the ultimate purpose of STEM at university,""" start="00:33:31.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can pass the tests. 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They just fade away.""" start="00:34:00.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you capture them in some way or another,""" start="00:34:02.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as superficial as it may be,""" start="00:34:05.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you still have access to this later""" start="00:34:08.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you need to check your personal inventory""" start="00:34:10.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of mathematical proofs so my answer would be""" start="00:34:21.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's type in my answer""" start="00:34:30.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on either pad would be I'm not able to type.""" start="00:34:33.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. My answer would be this.""" start="00:34:46.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Foundational knowledge is important for tests mostly""" start="00:34:52.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eventually becomes your inventory of skills.""" start="00:35:05.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Synth programming, like I don't need to look up for loops,""" start="00:35:23.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just do for loops and that's it, right?""" start="00:35:25.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But still, I do have notes about for loops, I think,""" start="00:35:29.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in different languages, like Python,""" start="00:35:33.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, what is it called, list comprehension.""" start="00:35:34.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not using Python, but it's so quirky.""" start="00:35:37.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's quirky and I captured this on a note""" start="00:35:39.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I needed to get myself used to the pieces""" start="00:35:42.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I needed to look at the syntax anyway,""" start="00:35:45.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then this is that part and this goes there.""" start="00:35:48.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I did this work, like this separation stuff on a note""" start="00:35:50.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to then do the work with more engagement,""" start="00:35:55.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like engage more so I can remember more later.""" start="00:36:01.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember all the details,""" start="00:36:04.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do remember there were different parts,""" start="00:36:06.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I can look up the note.""" start="00:36:08.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it helps me refresh my memory rather quickly,""" start="00:36:09.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's written by me for me""" start="00:36:12.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way that I'm writing these notes""" start="00:36:15.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for 15 years or something.""" start="00:36:17.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""16, at least, 16 years or something.""" start="00:36:18.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's much better than looking, especially now,""" start="00:36:27.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's much better than going to the web""" start="00:36:30.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and doing a web search for the same topic,""" start="00:36:31.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I will probably not get the useful resource""" start="00:36:33.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I relied on some eight years ago anyway,""" start="00:36:37.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but some garbage instead,""" start="00:36:40.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe AI generated stuff, I don't know.""" start="00:36:41.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have my personal copy of this""" start="00:36:44.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's not just copying the thing into a box,""" start="00:36:48.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like from one box into another,""" start="00:36:50.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the public internet box into my own buffer,""" start="00:36:51.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a custom that's closer to me,""" start="00:36:53.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a fridge is closer to my kitchen""" start="00:36:56.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and where I want to eat when I'm hungry""" start="00:36:58.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than going to the supermarket""" start="00:37:01.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or out into the wild and hunt animals,""" start="00:37:02.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this is all about proximity""" start="00:37:04.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also brought about ownership, like I own these notes""" start="00:37:06.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I still take responsibility""" start="00:37:10.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for what I put on them to some degree""" start="00:37:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like sometimes they're really bad""" start="00:37:14.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want to distance myself,""" start="00:37:15.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but still yeah, so that's it, I'm just I'm leaving,""" start="00:37:17.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not typing this out, I'm leaving copy box fridge,""" start="00:37:23.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a term for this, wait a second,""" start="00:37:29.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setup custom fridge can be fridge-like buffer of knowledge""" start="00:37:32.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just, let me just try to copy this note verbatim into the etherpad""" start="00:37:38.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then see whether you folks can do something with it.""" start="00:37:48.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The formatting. See appendix A. I am doing this here.""" start="00:37:51.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appendix A. I'm not going to read this,""" start="00:38:00.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you have a FridgeLab buffer of knowledge.""" start="00:38:10.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Local link in the supply chain. That was the term.""" start="00:38:13.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Didn't remember that one.""" start="00:38:16.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's at least a local link in supply chain.""" start="00:38:18.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, engagement doing the work of not copying,""" start="00:38:28.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but rephrasing, organizing,""" start="00:38:36.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but sometimes also just typing the stuff in""" start="00:38:38.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's how people romanticize learning a basic""" start="00:38:46.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like there were magazines with a lot of code listings""" start="00:38:51.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they just typed the code it was quite some effort""" start="00:38:55.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you eventually got better at this""" start="00:38:58.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you did do mistakes and then you needed to correct""" start="00:39:00.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and look through the source code carefully to spot the typo""" start="00:39:03.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's apparently virtue, at least people claim it's a virtue.""" start="00:39:06.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't deny it's a virtue because I went through the same kind of crap""" start="00:39:11.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I believe it strengthened my character, for sure, but still.""" start="00:39:15.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe it's not that useful, but maybe it is. I don't know.""" start="00:39:20.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's studies I remember,""" start="00:39:26.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't remember any interesting results.""" start="00:39:27.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like it's a 10x improvement""" start="00:39:30.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of recall if you type this, but it may be significant.""" start="00:39:32.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just check it out for yourself. 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and will it pay off?""" start="00:43:44.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe if not, then maybe spend the time on something else""" start="00:43:48.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like don't try to exactly customize something you hate""" start="00:43:54.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just to I don't know,""" start="00:43:57.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do your due diligence if you don't want to""" start="00:43:59.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then you'll hate the process""" start="00:44:04.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's worse than not using nodes a lot next questions,""" start="00:44:06.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how are nodes structured and accessed""" start="00:44:15.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the nodes grow from 10k to 100k nodes?""" start="00:44:17.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, that's a field of exploration,""" start="00:44:20.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean that the lower realm there I don't know anybody""" start="00:44:22.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's using a hyperlinked 100k node archive.""" start="00:44:25.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do know people who have a lot of text files""" start="00:44:32.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the Evernote style""" start="00:44:37.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they capture everything and put the verbatim copy into their stuff""" start="00:44:38.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they have a lot more items of course""" start="00:44:42.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but these don't really count,""" start="00:44:47.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are like web clippings of websites themselves""" start="00:44:51.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've read how many hundreds of websites today""" start="00:44:54.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could have captured everything automatically,""" start="00:44:58.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they wouldn't, like the files there, the clippings,""" start="00:45:02.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they wouldn't have contributed""" start="00:45:07.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything meaningfully to my knowledge base,""" start="00:45:10.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm not thinking about the stuff,""" start="00:45:12.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm thinking about the stuff that I'm spending time on.""" start="00:45:14.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What about that?""" start="00:45:16.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, how are nodes structured and accessed""" start="00:45:18.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the nodes go from one to 100k?""" start="00:45:20.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will imagine that it becomes a matter that's speculation.""" start="00:45:22.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll see. 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Thank you.""" start="00:45:55.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the clue there is,""" start="00:46:03.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eventually, you have hundreds or maybe thousands,""" start="00:46:04.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not hundreds or thousands, of structure nodes.""" start="00:46:10.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you have the same problem""" start="00:46:12.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you had on the lower base layer.""" start="00:46:13.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now you will probably look for another tool.""" start="00:46:16.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there is nothing else that's not also a structure node""" start="00:46:19.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] 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Let me check my Zettelkasten.""" start="00:49:30.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not on screen sharing. That was stupid.""" start="00:49:34.383" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm probably not going to watch it right now with everyone here,""" start="00:49:36.216" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so my thoughts on deleting and stuff like that.""" start="00:49:48.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do remember there was a very cleverly written, well-written post""" start="00:49:53.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the claim was, from my perspective,""" start="00:49:58.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's not doing the work of""" start="00:50:02.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not doing the work of the author justice.""" start="00:50:04.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the shortest summary is that there seems to be false contradiction,""" start="00:50:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the contradiction stems from how the opposite side,""" start="00:50:19.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the note taking, the deliberate note taking,""" start="00:50:24.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking a lot of notes,""" start="00:50:27.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the notes every time, stuff, like how this is presented.""" start="00:50:28.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would say this is more on the collecting""" start="00:50:31.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not on the connecting side of things.""" start="00:50:34.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like I mentioned for the, some 30 minutes ago""" start="00:50:36.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I talked about Roam, Roam Research.""" start="00:50:42.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you start your day with a daily note,""" start="00:50:45.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journal style, and then branch out from there,""" start="00:50:47.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you do at least have time as a structure""" start="00:50:50.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helps you to organize what you put in.""" start="00:50:53.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But also, it can get very messy""" start="00:50:57.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very weirdly interconnected,""" start="00:50:59.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this meme of the with a guy""" start="00:51:01.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""standing in front of a board""" start="00:51:04.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all these lines connecting things""" start="00:51:10.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just, you know, with the madness in his eyes""" start="00:51:14.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do a lot of stuff in there.""" start="00:51:17.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But at a certain point, it gets hard""" start="00:51:23.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to also get out of your own head, let's say.""" start="00:51:27.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you do it in this kind of style,""" start="00:51:30.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can get hard to get off your own head.""" start="00:51:33.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And one litmus test that you may find enjoyable""" start="00:51:35.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you struggle with this""" start="00:51:39.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to publish more. 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That also happens.""" start="00:54:14.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But then it's more like an article,""" start="00:54:16.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a long blog post, or an essay,""" start="00:54:18.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but never just vomiting thought out onto the page,""" start="00:54:21.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then you will get back to the note""" start="00:54:26.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you will find, hey, there's a lot of vomit.""" start="00:54:28.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you never follow this kind of phrase with nice.""" start="00:54:31.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I enjoyed reading that. It's always me.""" start="00:54:36.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oppressing because of its mass,""" start="00:54:40.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's also getting in the way of having new ideas""" start="00:54:43.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because whatever is there and you need to tangle it""" start="00:54:46.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you lost your new genuine idea,""" start="00:54:48.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this can also happen.""" start="00:54:52.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm not sure what the Westenberg video contains,""" start="00:54:56.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the sentiment there of deleting everything,""" start="00:55:00.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes sense if you find yourself in a situation""" start="00:55:03.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you don't have a productive system.""" start="00:55:07.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the notes from 2009 in my own Zettelkasten""" start="00:55:09.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""aren't of the highest quality standards""" start="00:55:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I rewrite most of them when I encounter them,""" start="00:55:15.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can still use a couple as is and sometimes they're just garbage,""" start="00:55:17.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as Luhmann said garbage like trickles to the ground""" start="00:55:23.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and forms a nice sediment layer there in the septic tank of your thought machine,""" start="00:55:28.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your thought thinking environment.""" start="00:55:34.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But clear water separates and then rises to the top""" start="00:55:36.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's what you work with.""" start="00:55:40.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's never going to be 100% useful. But if it's 90% garbage""" start="00:55:42.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if the water is, if the septic tank is never clearing,""" start="00:55:47.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you probably need to start""" start="00:55:51.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over and rethink your approach.""" start="00:55:54.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe there was just too much garbage,""" start="00:55:55.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too much toxic waste in there, whatever that means, right?""" start="00:55:57.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I do understand this, but also I would say""" start="00:56:01.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe maybe they tried to do too much with a different mindset""" start="00:56:07.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it just didn't click and then they,""" start="00:56:11.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know next question is there a danger?""" start="00:56:24.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also, wait a second, answer do not probably a lot of collection,""" start="00:56:27.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not a lot of stinking in the Zettelkasten to some purpose.""" start="00:56:41.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Usually. 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+[[!template text="""that's going to be your bottleneck""" start="00:58:20.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can't find black paper""" start="00:58:21.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put it into your typewriter and then like that's not the speed of thought""" start="00:58:24.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the speed of, I don't know, my long deceased grandmother""" start="00:58:30.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but yeah it's not like a strive for speed of thought tools""" start="00:58:35.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not needing a typewriter""" start="00:58:54.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then next step reduce ritual reduce rituals and ceremony""" start="00:59:00.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean by 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video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot give up quoting my sources""" start="00:59:35.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because then I'm plagiarizing, stealing,""" start="00:59:37.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forgetting where I get ideas from and confuse.""" start="00:59:39.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I get out because I'm aware of the problem there.""" start="00:59:41.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also not trusting my own notes anymore.""" start="00:59:44.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would not be trusting my own notes anymore""" start="00:59:47.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""i need to properly cite so then i can see hey""" start="00:59:51.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this 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This is just a technical limitation""" start="01:00:57.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you can't have the same file name twice.""" start="01:01:00.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not going to be useful.""" start="01:01:02.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you give yourself the permission to take time""" start="01:01:05.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of titling your notes in one way and also changing titles,""" start="01:01:09.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you will know from writing introductions""" start="01:01:12.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the further you get along,""" start="01:01:16.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more and more you need to rewrite your introductions""" start="01:01:18.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because your understanding changes same for titles""" start="01:01:22.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""titles don't always stay consistent or constant""" start="01:01:24.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's why I don't link by title, because I would then need""" start="01:01:28.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go through my node archive and also need to go to""" start="01:01:31.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my node archive and need to correct all the links""" start="01:01:34.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a janitorial task I like to not do, if I can""" start="01:01:40.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So answer here, less ceremony, fewer ceremonies, plural.""" start="01:01:44.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Try to only do the minimum possible, minimum viable thing.""" start="01:01:49.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And using Emacs and D-Node, you get a lot of defaults.""" start="01:01:54.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you need to worry""" start="01:01:57.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not about IDs and tags that much,""" start="01:01:58.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or where to put them and how to put them.""" start="01:02:01.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can omit keywords. You can leave keywords out.""" start="01:02:04.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They don't scale anyway.""" start="01:02:06.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they may be interesting as a way to group,""" start="01:02:08.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also Sascha from zettelkasten.de, from our website,""" start="01:02:12.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sascha also found that, I believe, he,""" start="01:02:19.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""structures win in the long term.""" start="01:02:23.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Manual created hubs and overviews""" start="01:02:28.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""win over machine generated lumps.""" start="01:02:30.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because you need to reorient yourself""" start="01:02:34.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the search results all the time.""" start="01:02:37.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not as useful as having a pathway""" start="01:02:42.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through your nodes that you can follow.""" start="01:02:45.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It may not be a pathway through all of your nodes, of course,""" start="01:02:49.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it may be a pathway from entry point into some topic.""" start="01:02:52.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's why some things are essential and others aren't.""" start="01:02:56.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the essential stuff, try to do it quickly, get better at it,""" start="01:03:01.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""practice the movements, then they get out of the way,""" start="01:03:06.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can focus on having ideas""" start="01:03:08.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and typing them at speed of thought,""" start="01:03:10.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more or less, and then you're good.""" start="01:03:12.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope. Wishing you all the best. Next and last question.""" start="01:03:15.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you navigate looking at all posts with a certain text?""" start="01:03:20.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This might be an emacs, already new to emacs.""" start="01:03:24.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just may have answered this.""" start="01:03:26.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you navigate looking at all posts with a certain text?""" start="01:03:28.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to my actual node archive.""" start="01:03:40.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then php no language learning ah""" start="01:03:42.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is not my setup I'm very clumsy""" start="01:03:55.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, I don't know swift language learning""" start="01:03:59.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ah that's that's a boring one php By this time, I could have also,""" start="01:04:03.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ah, there's the model. This would be an entry point""" start="01:04:28.466" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into my PHP atom molecule organism learning journey""" start="01:04:35.300" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I tried to practice, what's visual line mode, sorry,""" start="01:04:39.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I tried to practice this atom molecule thing on something new.""" start="01:04:43.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't used PHP in a long time""" start="01:04:48.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and found that I wasn't, yeah, you can see it on the screen also""" start="01:04:51.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like language primitives are the atoms,""" start="01:04:59.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think molecules are more like idioms or patterns that are PHP special in PHP""" start="01:05:01.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and different in other languages in Python""" start="01:05:08.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be list comprehension that's in a molecule""" start="01:05:10.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and but also you can make a point for hey,""" start="01:05:13.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this comprehension is more like a syntactical thing,""" start="01:05:16.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no no get out of here, like the for loop is the syntactical atom""" start="01:05:18.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the molecule is using the for loop""" start="01:05:23.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with weird other stuff""" start="01:05:25.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to then make the list comprehension happen.""" start="01:05:26.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's my argument there, okay? So what do we do with this?""" start="01:05:28.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use this as an entry point if I want to see,""" start="01:05:33.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, what kind of stuff did I take notes on""" start="01:05:38.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get a better understanding""" start="01:05:41.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on multiple levels of the language.""" start="01:05:43.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And project structure conventions""" start="01:05:45.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and usually another language""" start="01:05:47.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I use more here would be, but I can't remember now.""" start="01:05:49.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Funny, right? I can't remember how I would need to look,""" start="01:05:53.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think I'm too clumsy in Emacs""" start="01:05:57.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do it live on camera, sorry.""" start="01:05:58.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the organisms part here would also be like my own inventions,""" start="01:06:00.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say in code,""" start="01:06:05.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like my own discoveries where I found that in Swift, for example,""" start="01:06:06.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can express things on the type level""" start="01:06:11.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very sexy way sometimes.""" start="01:06:13.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I would put these there as well.""" start="01:06:15.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these are also,""" start="01:06:19.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are organisms to discover in the language reference,""" start="01:06:20.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also organisms to discover in the world,""" start="01:06:26.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they are your own inventions,""" start="01:06:30.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discoveries, more or less. And that's a sign of mastery.""" start="01:06:32.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you work more on these things,""" start="01:06:36.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you don't need to worry""" start="01:06:38.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the basics of the language anymore.""" start="01:06:40.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can use this as an entry point""" start="01:06:42.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get into things that are very PHP-esque.""" start="01:06:46.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When do I need this? When I want to talk about PHP,""" start="01:06:51.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like I do now.""" start="01:06:54.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why do I show this when the question is about tags?""" start="01:06:55.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because if I search for... Which one do I take?""" start="01:06:59.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try grep. php. Yep, grep exited the anomaly.""" start="01:07:10.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dang, why? Option requires an argument.""" start="01:07:22.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, eshell is there.""" start="01:07:28.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just use rg, ripgrep and then ripgrep for php.""" start="01:07:36.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see I get, I can do filenames only, right?""" start="01:07:43.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's not worry. I get a lot of, let's just scroll up.""" start="01:07:50.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get a lot more hits here for the PHP tech,""" start="01:07:56.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is only about PHP specific things,""" start="01:08:03.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not about anything that I do in PHP.""" start="01:08:06.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, I don't know, I don't take Laravel or Filament,""" start="01:08:09.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are frameworks, libraries in PHP,""" start="01:08:15.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Zend library or whatever, I don't know many.""" start="01:08:17.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I wouldn't take everything""" start="01:08:21.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and anything that is related to the php ecosystem""" start="01:08:23.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the php hashtag.""" start="01:08:27.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? Because then the tag becomes useless.""" start="01:08:28.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I only tag things that are about the language.""" start="01:08:30.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like how do I pass variables to php includes that's php related.""" start="01:08:33.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see these are... I'm still not at the top.""" start="01:08:39.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now i'm at the top these are a lot more findings than you could""" start="01:08:44.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these don't fit on the screen""" start="01:08:48.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are three pages i believe""" start="01:08:49.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the note about my language learning journey was""" start="01:08:51.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't even one full page here's white space""" start="01:08:55.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there wasn't okay right but still there's much more stuff""" start="01:08:59.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hashtag I don't use for navigating.""" start="01:09:02.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I only use this, let's say, the shotgun approach.""" start="01:09:07.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Sascha on our Zettelkasten blog post,""" start="01:09:10.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't remember which post, mentioned this as well.""" start="01:09:14.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes you need a sniper rifle.""" start="01:09:16.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes you need a shotgun.""" start="01:09:18.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the hashtag-based search would be I don't know what I'm looking for.""" start="01:09:21.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was PHP related. I hope I use the hashtag correctly""" start="01:09:27.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then kill all these nodes from my archive.""" start="01:09:32.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The metaphor doesn't work that way,""" start="01:09:36.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but still you get a lot of results here""" start="01:09:38.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you could use this as a way to filter from 11,000 nodes""" start="01:09:41.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down to 50 or so, maybe less.""" start="01:09:45.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you got this far, then you can start to do it in a mechanical way again.""" start="01:09:53.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But wait, if you have 100 or 1000 nodes in the results there,""" start="01:09:59.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can't mechanically go through all the nodes again.""" start="01:10:05.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can maybe skim and look""" start="01:10:08.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for something that catches your eye,""" start="01:10:09.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're lucky, and if that's the thing""" start="01:10:11.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works for you.""" start="01:10:14.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but usually no, like usually the text become useless""" start="01:10:15.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then maybe tag groups become more useful""" start="01:10:21.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like PHP and LSP which is on screen here""" start="01:10:24.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like then maybe the combination of two tags""" start="01:10:28.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that reduces the search terms enough""" start="01:10:30.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this is basically glorified full text search""" start="01:10:32.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you highlight certain terms of importance that's it,""" start="01:10:36.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wouldn't use I wouldn't put more effort in there""" start="01:10:41.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also maybe useful to group things by topic.""" start="01:10:45.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, study notes like, I don't know,""" start="01:10:48.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is my undergrad, third semester,""" start="01:10:52.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do you do in the third semester, I don't know,""" start="01:10:56.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""history of philosophy of science of birds,""" start="01:11:01.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very long course name, and then week 10.""" start="01:11:06.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you assemble everything""" start="01:11:10.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this very technical tagging.""" start="01:11:13.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can use these folders""" start="01:11:15.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to loosely group stuff together""" start="01:11:18.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that happened during that week.""" start="01:11:21.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you have 10 required readings and then do five of them,""" start="01:11:23.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they're also not closely interrelated,""" start="01:11:26.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will have read five to 10 different sources that you could process.""" start="01:11:28.880" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could maybe then also create an overview node""" start="01:11:33.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a preparation for the seminar""" start="01:11:36.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever happens at university.""" start="01:11:38.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then the hashtag becomes just a way to group things.""" start="01:11:44.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But once you create the structure node,""" start="01:11:51.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't need the hashtags to navigate anymore.""" start="01:11:52.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could then maybe use the hashtags not to navigate""" start="01:11:55.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to to clump, to create collections,""" start="01:11:57.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pre-assembled to some degree collections of things that exist already,""" start="01:12:02.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get them out there and then review them.""" start="01:12:07.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like Twyla Tharp again, dumping all the notes on a table,""" start="01:12:09.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the stuff on the table,""" start="01:12:13.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not just notes, all the clippings and so on and so on,""" start="01:12:15.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then making sense of them.""" start="01:12:17.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what you can use a hashtag search for in the longterm.""" start="01:12:18.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm not convinced about navigational use in the longterm.""" start="01:12:21.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which doesn't mean that it won't work for you,""" start="01:12:27.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can't recommend it.""" start="01:12:31.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't recommend trying to do it that way.""" start="01:12:32.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my answer is going to be, how do you navigate""" start="01:12:34.900" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at all posts with certain tags? I don't.""" start="01:12:37.883" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tags are just a way to loosely group notes and stuff in general""" start="01:12:45.508" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can find potentially, PP, why doesn't P work?""" start="01:12:53.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Potentially relevant pieces of information more quickly.""" start="01:13:05.520" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Navigational aids. Create navigational aids""" start="01:13:14.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things that help you navigate like this is for a week""" start="01:13:34.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what did I say 10 of semester three""" start="01:13:38.050" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh the history of the sociology""" start="01:13:42.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the philosophy of science of birds""" start="01:13:44.633" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something lump things together there then you have a""" start="01:13:46.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you have a scratch pad to think on you do this""" start="01:13:51.560" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did do this when you went to university with paper anyway, right?""" start="01:13:54.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You would get your college book or whatever""" start="01:13:59.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you would take notes and these like that location""" start="01:14:01.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of that piece of paper in your college book""" start="01:14:04.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your whatever notes folder""" start="01:14:07.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the important piece of information""" start="01:14:09.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the scratchpad, the thinking environment for this course""" start="01:14:15.040" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if you have all the other things""" start="01:14:20.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you ever did at your disposal as well""" start="01:14:22.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe pull them in maybe pull them in""" start="01:14:24.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then bring them to the discussion""" start="01:14:26.840" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your professor or your teaching assistant""" start="01:14:28.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and asking about, well, I read these five books""" start="01:14:31.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you recommended for this week.""" start="01:14:35.200" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for recommending five whole books""" start="01:14:37.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for one week of reading. I really enjoyed that. Long pause.""" start="01:14:40.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you say, I also thought about other topics""" start="01:14:45.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and brought them into a, I don't know, dialectic or position.""" start="01:14:50.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you think about foxes in that regard""" start="01:14:54.360" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and their own history and subjectivity""" start="01:14:58.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when it comes to the bird's point of view or something, right?""" start="01:15:01.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can only do this if you either know this by heart""" start="01:15:08.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you do this a lot,""" start="01:15:11.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think a lot about this stuff or you do this,""" start="01:15:13.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you stumble upon this and then look for oppositions,""" start="01:15:15.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look for certain patterns in your notes""" start="01:15:18.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then try to pull them in and represent them again""" start="01:15:19.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they actually do exist and then you can work with this,""" start="01:15:22.480" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get on people's nerves""" start="01:15:26.240" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can write weird papers, essays""" start="01:15:27.400" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then get through your university studies quickly""" start="01:15:30.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe also become an interesting columnist,""" start="01:15:33.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, I've never been a columnist Right.""" start="01:15:35.960" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think these are all the questions.""" start="01:15:39.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to delete the leftover ones.""" start="01:15:44.080" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you enjoyed some of the answers.""" start="01:15:47.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much. Thank you. That's a lot.""" start="01:15:52.440" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll go back and get everything transcribed as well""" start="01:15:58.160" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can turn that into other articles in the future""" start="01:16:02.760" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's how this all works, right?""" start="01:16:08.600" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It all turns into writing. It all does.""" start="01:16:10.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All the rest is garbage.""" start="01:16:14.320" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know why we invented anything else.""" start="01:16:16.000" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only useful to transfer language before writing,""" start="01:16:20.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now you can just read.""" start="01:16:23.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have two people in the big blue button room""" start="01:16:26.280" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are still around, but I think they've got their, like,""" start="01:16:29.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they don't have microphones set up.""" start="01:16:33.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't know if you want to just, like, CryptKNFL,""" start="01:16:35.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to just follow up through the etherpad,""" start="01:16:40.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or email, I guess, in case you have further questions.""" start="01:16:44.340" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, if you want to wrap up,""" start="01:16:47.640" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know it's getting a little bit late over there,""" start="01:16:50.120" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're in your time zone. Thank you so much.""" start="01:16:52.800" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, all right. Thank you. You're welcome.""" start="01:16:55.920" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for joining and listening.""" start="01:16:59.680" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'll wrap it up here then.""" start="01:17:02.720" video="qanda-zettelkasten" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hi@christiantietze.de](mailto:hi@christiantietze.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20zettelkasten%3A%20Zettelkasten%20for%20regular%20Emacs%20hackers) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/zettelkasten-before.md b/2025/info/zettelkasten-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fdd54459 --- /dev/null +++ b/2025/info/zettelkasten-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 24-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten> +Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten> +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-zettelkasten"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-zettelkasten" data=""" +00:01.400 Introduction +01:25.534 Advocating Freedoms +02:29.680 What Is This About? +04:36.534 Write - Essential Mechanic +05:09.601 Connect - Essential Mechanic +05:34.268 Correct - Essential Habit +06:49.434 Design for Use - Habit +07:43.920 Create Structure - Mechanic +08:47.968 Start in the Zettelkasten - Mechanic +09:32.401 Start with a Link - Mechanic +09:54.568 Recap +13:22.034 Facilitate Growth +14:46.140 Emacs demo +20:39.068 Learn, Share, Grow +22:45.297 Outro + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 23:18 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.opus">Download --main.opus (20MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--main.webm">Download --main.webm (41MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--script.org">Download --script.org</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/wE8vCWyr1Eo">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-zettelkasten"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.m4v" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2025/captions/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="qanda-zettelkasten" data=""" +00:49.560 Q: What do you use for the fancy animations? +03:30.080 Q: Are you not a fan of using *, **, *** headings in org-mode? +07:13.720 Q: Can you use org files and all its features inside Denote? +07:49.000 Q: Where or how do you like to capture fleeting notes? +11:29.040 Q: Zettelkasten feels like a very "cagey" approach to note-taking and knowledge management. Doesn't it restrict one to think in certain ways rather than what feels natural to someone? +15:07.328 Q: How does denote compare to org-roam? +18:25.040 Q: I noticed that the wikipedia link you wrote was typed wrongly - and it got me thinking about how to deal with broken links at scale? Do you have any thoughts on this? What about archival? +21:20.591 Comment: When I completely re-worked my config some two years ago, I also tried out some of these packages for making notes in Emacs... +24:34.800 Q: How Zettelkasten is useful for highly mathematical STEM academic fields like computer science or engineering fields? +39:40.960 Q: In your experience, would you say that you re-use most of your notes? +44:15.280 Q: How are notes structured and accessed when the notes grow from 10K to 100K notes? +48:55.160 Q: I would be very interested in your thought on this video by Westenberg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjSWwmg-JRM (Why I Deleted My Second Brain: A Journey Back to Real Thinking) +57:59.160 Q: Is there a danger that with the Zettelkasten process, that the process gets a bit in the way of the content? +01:03:20.640 Q: How do you navigate looking at all posts with certain tags + +"""]]<div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-zettelkasten-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 1:17:07 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-zettelkasten">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.json">Download --answers.json (1.5MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.m4v">Download --answers.m4v (152MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (67MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.tsv">Download --answers.tsv</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.txt">Download --answers.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-zettelkasten--zettelkasten-for-regular-emacs-hackers--christian-tietze--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (166MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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