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diff --git a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md index c4b08e7c..0f66ac66 100644 --- a/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md +++ b/2025/info/bookclub-tapas-after.md @@ -815,7 +815,712 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hello@ElephantErgonomics.com](mailto:hello@ElephantErgonomics.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20bookclub-tapas%3A%20Bookclub%20tapas) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="bookclub-tapas-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""All right, take it away. Okay, am I, are we live?""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, we're live. Oh man, holy moly.""" start="00:00:07.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, that's surreal. Hi everyone. Oh man.""" start="00:00:12.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ah, so excited to be here. So good to see all of you. Okay.""" start="00:00:19.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, should we just go ahead and get right into it?""" start="00:00:26.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, let me, let me see here. So I have.""" start="00:00:29.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I see, I see some, I see some questions coming in.""" start="00:00:38.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perfect. I am going to show my share my screen real quick.""" start="00:00:41.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have currently currently we have""" start="00:00:47.080" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a sort of a dross thing going.""" start="00:00:54.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I just wanted to, while we're waiting""" start="00:00:59.080" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some more stuff to come in,""" start="00:01:04.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just wanted to sort of idle on this buffer here.""" start="00:01:05.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you increase your font size slightly,""" start="00:01:11.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that might be even nicer.""" start="00:01:13.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, absolutely, gladly. Whoa, okay. There we go.""" start="00:01:15.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, the first question""" start="00:01:38.160" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was looking for examples of files in book club style.""" start="00:01:41.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The person says, that seems to be related""" start="00:01:45.840" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to what I've been doing,""" start="00:01:48.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but coming from different influences. Yes, yes.""" start="00:01:49.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I included a, included a,""" start="00:01:54.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see, I'm just looking at the IRC here""" start="00:02:03.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and smiling at all the people. So, yes, I provided a link.""" start="00:02:07.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think that an excellent.""" start="00:02:16.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have gone ahead and provided""" start="00:02:19.040" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the get the link to the repo""" start="00:02:24.160" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to go ahead and post that again.""" start="00:02:26.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this should serve as a full example""" start="00:02:30.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what a just sort of standard book club file looks like.""" start="00:02:34.040" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if anyone has like specific questions""" start="00:02:39.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about anything in particular,""" start="00:02:41.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they would love to see my sort of like walkthrough""" start="00:02:42.840" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and narrate like specifically, you know, any place in this file""" start="00:02:47.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they would like to see me sort of like go over live,""" start="00:02:52.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would be super happy to do that.""" start="00:02:55.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have the whole, you know, more or less complete""" start="00:02:58.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""book club file for Squint pulled up here.""" start="00:03:03.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I have my vision laid out,""" start="00:03:10.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has my initial sort of goal.""" start="00:03:14.600" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, the background and the vision sort of combined""" start="00:03:18.640" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to lay out what my general sort of goal is.""" start="00:03:22.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just realized, let me kill my stream there.""" start="00:03:28.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go. All right. There's another question.""" start="00:03:31.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The product of a tapa like squint.org""" start="00:03:39.080" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be pure gold for an agent like Cloud Code.""" start="00:03:41.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you experimented with providing an agent with a final output""" start="00:03:44.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and letting it chew through to-dos?""" start="00:03:47.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That would be a really excellent question.""" start="00:03:50.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually just kind of recently""" start="00:03:53.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got into Clawed in particular.""" start="00:03:54.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I played quite a bit with GPT and""" start="00:03:58.160" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a lot of 8 billion parameter local models.""" start="00:04:01.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was never super impressed.""" start="00:04:07.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It always felt like I was just sort of wrangling""" start="00:04:09.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get it on the same page,""" start="00:04:13.000" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether as a result of sycophantism""" start="00:04:14.640" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or really just not having enough parameters""" start="00:04:16.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to understand the context of what's going on.""" start="00:04:19.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cloud has completely changed my perception""" start="00:04:21.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what an LLM can do or not.""" start="00:04:25.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes autonomy not seem like a total fever train.""" start="00:04:27.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have definitely been curious about""" start="00:04:31.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how an LLM would react to book club files.""" start="00:04:36.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that, yeah, especially like,""" start="00:04:39.640" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been daydreaming a little bit about,""" start="00:04:41.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, having it generate scratch artifacts""" start="00:04:43.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or suggesting, you know, changes to the format.""" start="00:04:49.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, yeah, the fact that""" start="00:04:54.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is all like, you know, like super,""" start="00:04:58.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The goal and the hope for all of this""" start="00:05:01.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that we're being verbose about our thinking anyway.""" start="00:05:05.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is sort of how, by default,""" start="00:05:08.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deep reasoning kind of works.""" start="00:05:12.200" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually think that I totally agree.""" start="00:05:14.160" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It would be a great fit.""" start="00:05:15.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have yet to personally do it,""" start="00:05:17.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I've always been just""" start="00:05:19.600" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little bit wary about, like, you know...""" start="00:05:21.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, if I'm writing a program,""" start="00:05:23.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to write it, you know?""" start="00:05:25.000" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People often talk about, like, you know,""" start="00:05:26.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh, I just want to hand off""" start="00:05:29.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the boring parts to Claude.""" start="00:05:31.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the thing is, if I'm writing an e-list,""" start="00:05:34.160" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find the whole thing to be kind of fun.""" start="00:05:36.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be super, um, it would be super interested in, you know,""" start="00:05:39.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just sort of as a point of exercise,""" start="00:05:46.080" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like seeing what it's capable of.""" start="00:05:48.160" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I think, I really do think""" start="00:05:49.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this would be kind of an ideal environment.""" start="00:05:51.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is kind of close to, you know,""" start="00:05:54.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""native-ish, how LLMs think.""" start="00:05:55.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also, like, you know, of course,""" start="00:05:59.040" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, um, the privacy angle.""" start="00:06:01.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't necessarily want to provide""" start="00:06:03.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a whole bunch of code verbatim that I intend to GPL3.""" start="00:06:05.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I believe that Claude kind of has a better policy""" start="00:06:09.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of what does and does not become training data.""" start="00:06:15.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll have to look into Claude in particular""" start="00:06:20.640" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I feel like that would be my target for it.""" start="00:06:22.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I think that's definitely onto something.""" start="00:06:24.600" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've definitely thought about this.""" start="00:06:29.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've definitely been really curious about this.""" start="00:06:31.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next question, do you think every Tapa""" start="00:06:33.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should have its own book club file as well?""" start="00:06:40.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or would you rather keep just one book club file""" start="00:06:42.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the top of the project?""" start="00:06:45.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think that I definitely would advise""" start="00:06:46.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that each Tapa have its own book club file.""" start="00:06:51.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason being is because I find that for me personally,""" start="00:06:54.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the way that my brain kind of works""" start="00:06:59.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that out of sight, out of mind is very literal for me.""" start="00:07:00.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find that I find that. What am I thinking of?""" start="00:07:06.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I just saw that I got an email""" start="00:07:13.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm like, yeah, okay, cool.""" start="00:07:19.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Case in point, right? We are at case in point, you know,""" start="00:07:22.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of sight, out of mind. Yes, no, absolutely.""" start="00:07:27.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, no, exactly. I, um, I'm definitely quite ADHD""" start="00:07:30.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it works for my advantage""" start="00:07:35.800" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it provides all sorts of versatility.""" start="00:07:36.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is another great advantage of book club.""" start="00:07:38.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have an ADHD mind like I do where, you know,""" start="00:07:42.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You love jumping around and working on""" start="00:07:46.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all sorts of different pieces simultaneously.""" start="00:07:48.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't like sitting down""" start="00:07:51.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and doing the same thing all day""" start="00:07:53.000" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unless it really latches onto you.""" start="00:07:54.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, you can pivot and you don't do anything.""" start="00:07:57.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It really rewards the fact that you can pivot.""" start="00:07:59.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I find that to be really excellent.""" start="00:08:02.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But to go back to the original a question,""" start="00:08:06.040" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would definitely recommend,""" start="00:08:08.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least in my circumstance,""" start="00:08:11.520" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find it to be incredibly useful""" start="00:08:13.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have each tapa be its own book club file""" start="00:08:15.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than to have a unified file""" start="00:08:19.200" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that holds all of your tapas. You can definitely do this,""" start="00:08:21.840" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if you're using org""" start="00:08:26.600" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to organize it hierarchically.""" start="00:08:28.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just sort of a matter of preference""" start="00:08:31.280" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and style at that point.""" start="00:08:33.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So long as you're making a clear distinction between your tapas,""" start="00:08:34.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the main thing""" start="00:08:39.320" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I would recommend no matter what,""" start="00:08:40.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the whole hope that I have is that""" start="00:08:42.400" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a sort of separation of focus""" start="00:08:44.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the different you know,""" start="00:08:47.880" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the different focuses of your different tapas,""" start="00:08:49.600" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they really should ideally feel like different programs""" start="00:08:54.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you're not, you know,""" start="00:08:57.960" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getting over yourself, getting ahead of yourself.""" start="00:09:00.120" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that, you know, on that basis,""" start="00:09:02.080" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would probably default to recommending""" start="00:09:05.080" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that tapas have their own separate book club files,""" start="00:09:07.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because ideally they should kind of be different""" start="00:09:12.920" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sort of independent but related thoughts.""" start="00:09:15.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But at the same time, I mean, like, you know,""" start="00:09:19.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is coming from someone""" start="00:09:21.720" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who like has a billion small, like, you know,""" start="00:09:23.560" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had one giant org file for a long time""" start="00:09:26.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then realized that really didn't work for me.""" start="00:09:28.680" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now I have a billion tiny ones.""" start="00:09:31.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So depending upon how you feel about, you know,""" start="00:09:34.240" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should I have one really big org file""" start="00:09:38.440" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a bunch of really little org files?""" start="00:09:40.760" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I feel like that more or less gives your answer.""" start="00:09:42.480" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's whatever works best for you.""" start="00:09:44.640" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that far and away what works best for me""" start="00:09:48.360" video="qanda-bookclub-tapas" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is having separate files. 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