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I use it for other purposes. + +00:00:54.382 --> 00:00:58.501 +So I think they're not really mutually exclusive, + +00:00:58.502 --> 00:01:00.941 +like you can use both. + +00:01:00.942 --> 00:01:04.641 +And they don't think that the features that one provides + +00:01:04.642 --> 00:01:08.821 +are something that the other also provides. + +00:01:08.822 --> 00:01:13.381 +They're different kind of goals for me. + +00:01:13.382 --> 00:01:15.341 +Also, for the answers, is it OK + +00:01:15.342 --> 00:01:20.741 +if I don't write anything down and I can just write them + +00:01:20.742 --> 00:01:23.741 +After, when I have time, and I'll just talk. + +00:01:23.742 --> 00:01:27.861 +Yeah, that's OK. We'll transcribe all the answers later. + +00:01:27.862 --> 00:01:32.541 +So you can just go ahead and talk. + +00:01:32.542 --> 00:01:34.301 +And do you find showing abstract + +00:01:34.302 --> 00:01:36.661 +on your navigation panel helpful? + +00:01:36.662 --> 00:01:38.461 +I always delete the abstract info, + +00:01:38.462 --> 00:01:40.421 +and my bib files make things more concise. + +00:01:40.422 --> 00:01:44.981 +So for me, I think it is helpful to see the abstract. + +00:01:44.982 --> 00:01:50.861 +I think that if you're in a regular screen, + +00:01:50.862 --> 00:01:52.941 +you have the space to have that. + +00:01:52.942 --> 00:01:57.421 +And yeah, for example, if I go again here, + +00:01:57.422 --> 00:02:00.021 +it's kind of indeed a bit more, + +00:02:00.022 --> 00:02:01.741 +a bit longer than it can be. + +00:02:01.742 --> 00:02:09.341 +And also you find a bigger abstract somewhere. + +00:02:09.342 --> 00:02:10.421 +It may be more space, + +00:02:10.422 --> 00:02:16.381 +but like, for example, this, yeah, this is a big abstract. + +00:02:16.382 --> 00:02:19.181 +And for example, yeah, this takes a bit more space, + +00:02:19.182 --> 00:02:23.021 +but I find it easy because the only case + +00:02:23.022 --> 00:02:25.901 +where I'm actually looking at this panel + +00:02:25.902 --> 00:02:30.581 +and trying to see things is when I'm going to be either, + +00:02:30.582 --> 00:02:33.861 +is when I'm going to be trying to find something + +00:02:33.862 --> 00:02:37.141 +that I don't remember the title to search immediately. + +00:02:37.142 --> 00:02:38.581 +And if you don't remember the title + +00:02:38.582 --> 00:02:39.781 +and you're trying to search, + +00:02:39.782 --> 00:02:43.261 +the abstract will be a way + +00:02:43.262 --> 00:02:49.221 +that helps you search better maybe. + +00:02:49.222 --> 00:02:51.701 +and also the other thing they use + +00:02:51.702 --> 00:02:54.981 +is also the small little descriptions + +00:02:54.982 --> 00:02:59.261 +I add in the note entries to help me + +00:02:59.262 --> 00:03:03.381 +but I think that the abstract is nice to be there + +00:03:03.382 --> 00:03:05.141 +in case you don't remember + +00:03:05.142 --> 00:03:07.541 +to find something from the title + +00:03:07.542 --> 00:03:08.581 +or from your notes + +00:03:08.582 --> 00:03:10.581 +and just need something more general. + +00:03:10.582 --> 00:03:16.621 +So yes it can be large and not always convenient, + +00:03:16.622 --> 00:03:20.181 +but I generally like it being there + +00:03:20.182 --> 00:03:29.421 +in case I need it for anything. Then the next question. + +00:03:29.422 --> 00:03:34.381 +Also, if any question is not fully answered by what I'm saying, + +00:03:34.382 --> 00:03:36.941 +feel free to add more to your question + +00:03:36.942 --> 00:03:39.501 +and we can discuss more. I don't have a problem. + +00:03:39.502 --> 00:03:45.621 +So for the next one, yeah, I copied this from IRC + +00:03:45.622 --> 00:03:49.141 +because I prefer to answer it orally + +00:03:49.142 --> 00:03:53.261 +because it's a bit longer than the others answering in IRC. + +00:03:53.262 --> 00:03:55.261 +So it seems that there's a meta problem here. + +00:03:55.262 --> 00:03:57.621 +There's too much information. + +00:03:57.622 --> 00:04:02.221 +And does this tool reduce the cognitive load? + +00:04:02.222 --> 00:04:09.061 +Well, for me, it does reduce the cognitive load because + +00:04:09.062 --> 00:04:11.261 +Indeed, there's a lot of information, + +00:04:11.262 --> 00:04:18.661 +but that's how managing literature works, essentially. + +00:04:18.662 --> 00:04:21.061 +It necessarily has to have a lot of cognitive load, + +00:04:21.062 --> 00:04:22.981 +because you are trying to + +00:04:22.982 --> 00:04:25.021 +process more information + +00:04:25.022 --> 00:04:28.221 +than your brain can process to begin with. + +00:04:28.222 --> 00:04:31.301 +So you really need a tool + +00:04:31.302 --> 00:04:36.581 +to help you not keep everything in your mind, + +00:04:36.582 --> 00:04:40.461 +process the information externally. + +00:04:40.462 --> 00:04:44.181 +They do think that the way I do this, for me at least, + +00:04:44.182 --> 00:04:49.661 +it does help with reducing cognitive load. + +00:04:49.662 --> 00:04:51.061 +Because I'm here, for example, + +00:04:51.062 --> 00:04:55.221 +if I'm looking for something, I do not remember, + +00:04:55.222 --> 00:05:01.501 +I've read most of these papers not too many months ago, + +00:05:01.502 --> 00:05:02.701 +so a lot of them are recent. + +00:05:02.702 --> 00:05:06.181 +If I don't look at what I have written for it, + +00:05:06.182 --> 00:05:08.821 +I do not remember anything. + +00:05:08.822 --> 00:05:11.941 +So indeed, you have this kind of cognitive load + +00:05:11.942 --> 00:05:17.341 +that I cannot remember everything. + +00:05:17.342 --> 00:05:23.101 +But on the other hand, I think the tool helps + +00:05:23.102 --> 00:05:26.861 +because my notes are what keeps, what I want to remember. + +00:05:26.862 --> 00:05:30.981 +So it doesn't stay in my mind, it stays in the text. + +00:05:30.982 --> 00:05:35.221 +And regarding things like the reading list, + +00:05:35.222 --> 00:05:39.021 +I think also for me reduces the cognitive load + +00:05:39.022 --> 00:05:42.821 +because I will mostly remember + +00:05:42.822 --> 00:05:46.341 +what the papers I have in that list are, + +00:05:46.342 --> 00:05:50.901 +but just sorting them by priority helps me + +00:05:50.902 --> 00:05:54.621 +Okay, this was the thing I wanted to do next. + +00:05:54.622 --> 00:06:00.301 +Oh, sorry. This is the thing I wanted to do next. + +00:06:00.302 --> 00:06:02.501 +And I didn't have to remember + +00:06:02.502 --> 00:06:03.901 +that this is what I want to do next. + +00:06:03.902 --> 00:06:06.821 +I just had it, I saw it there. + +00:06:06.822 --> 00:06:11.261 +So for me, it reduces cognitive load, + +00:06:11.262 --> 00:06:16.981 +but the problem of too much information is 100% there + +00:06:16.982 --> 00:06:19.541 +because there's objectively + +00:06:19.542 --> 00:06:21.021 +too much information + +00:06:21.022 --> 00:06:23.181 +when you're working with literature + +00:06:23.182 --> 00:06:35.221 +that's by nature and yeah essentially that + +00:06:35.222 --> 00:06:36.381 +that's for me the thing + +00:06:36.382 --> 00:06:41.141 +that i'm i'm just putting this information elsewhere + +00:06:41.142 --> 00:06:44.941 +so i don't have to keep it in my mind + +00:06:44.942 --> 00:06:52.421 +Okay, so when you download a new article, + +00:06:52.422 --> 00:06:54.941 +how do you integrate the file to the database? + +00:06:54.942 --> 00:06:58.261 +So, for example, do you remove + +00:06:58.262 --> 00:06:59.741 +and rename the file manually? + +00:06:59.742 --> 00:07:11.781 +So, for me, I also briefly showed that in the talk, + +00:07:11.782 --> 00:07:13.781 +but I did that very quickly, + +00:07:13.782 --> 00:07:16.581 +so it's understandable that it wasn't there. + +00:07:16.582 --> 00:07:21.501 +Essentially, And when I download the article, + +00:07:21.502 --> 00:07:27.421 +then I will open Ivy Bib Tech and find the article. + +00:07:27.422 --> 00:07:31.581 +For example, this one is the first. + +00:07:31.582 --> 00:07:34.941 +You can open the menu in Ivy Bib Tech. + +00:07:34.942 --> 00:07:40.061 +It's with an alt O, and then it will give you this menu. + +00:07:40.062 --> 00:07:44.261 +And from here, it will say, add PDF to library. + +00:07:44.262 --> 00:07:47.261 +And then it will ask from where do you want to add it? + +00:07:47.262 --> 00:07:49.941 +I don't recommend the URL + +00:07:49.942 --> 00:07:53.701 +because it doesn't download it properly sometimes. + +00:07:53.702 --> 00:07:56.981 +As I also mentioned that with Zotra, + +00:07:56.982 --> 00:08:00.301 +the URLs downloading things, + +00:08:00.302 --> 00:08:02.141 +especially with academic papers + +00:08:02.142 --> 00:08:05.341 +that are sometimes paywalled, it doesn't want to work well. + +00:08:05.342 --> 00:08:07.781 +So I will download the paper + +00:08:07.782 --> 00:08:10.981 +and then you can just press the F here for file. + +00:08:10.982 --> 00:08:13.421 +And then you find the file. + +00:08:13.422 --> 00:08:20.861 +and for example for me all my PDFs are in this folder + +00:08:20.862 --> 00:08:23.181 +it's still named Zotero PDFs + +00:08:23.182 --> 00:08:25.621 +from when it was Zotero saving them now + +00:08:25.622 --> 00:08:28.341 +Zotero no longer saves them + +00:08:28.342 --> 00:08:30.381 +but I'm too bored to change the name + +00:08:30.382 --> 00:08:33.501 +and then you just find the paper you want + +00:08:33.502 --> 00:08:37.261 +so you can see there is an endless list of papers here + +00:08:37.262 --> 00:08:42.821 +and it then will automatically rename it + +00:08:42.822 --> 00:08:56.781 +to have the title of the author, a small title and a date. + +00:08:56.782 --> 00:09:01.821 +I believe the naming is also configurable, + +00:09:01.822 --> 00:09:08.941 +but I have this notation in my config for many years now + +00:09:08.942 --> 00:09:11.181 +because that's how everything + +00:09:11.182 --> 00:09:17.981 +expects to find it, essentially. I do not then move it. + +00:09:17.982 --> 00:09:19.341 +It's stored in that folder. + +00:09:19.342 --> 00:09:22.501 +I store all my PDFs in that specific folder. + +00:09:22.502 --> 00:09:27.541 +And then Emacs knows that all PDFs + +00:09:27.542 --> 00:09:29.021 +should be found in that folder. + +00:09:29.022 --> 00:09:32.581 +And it then just looks for the name + +00:09:32.582 --> 00:09:33.981 +that it expects to find. + +00:09:33.982 --> 00:09:38.221 +And ivy-bibtex has renamed it automatically to that. + +00:09:38.222 --> 00:09:54.381 +Okay, I'll wait a bit to continue with that + +00:09:54.382 --> 00:09:59.801 +for moving to the next question. + +00:09:59.802 --> 00:10:02.301 +Yeah, ivy-bibtex has that functionality. + +00:10:02.302 --> 00:10:08.061 +And then annotations with e-readers. + +00:10:08.062 --> 00:10:12.781 +Viewing and taking an Emacs or Reader touchscreen, + +00:10:12.782 --> 00:10:16.501 +highlighting notes, noter, think would be an alternative, + +00:10:16.502 --> 00:10:18.301 +e-book annotation alternative. + +00:10:18.302 --> 00:10:25.981 +So, I do not use an e-reader, personally. + +00:10:25.982 --> 00:10:29.781 +The only thing that I have is my tablet, + +00:10:29.782 --> 00:10:34.981 +I can actually show you. It's this little thing here. + +00:10:34.982 --> 00:10:39.661 +It's a Chromebook. + +00:10:39.662 --> 00:10:42.381 +And the reason it's a Chromebook is that + +00:10:42.382 --> 00:10:44.621 +when I bought it a few years ago, + +00:10:44.622 --> 00:10:48.541 +it was the most viable alternative I could find + +00:10:48.542 --> 00:10:52.301 +that can run Linux as a tablet with good touchscreen. + +00:10:52.302 --> 00:10:55.021 +That was also a bit budget + +00:10:55.022 --> 00:10:57.821 +because there are some Linux tablets, + +00:10:57.822 --> 00:11:00.301 +but they were a bit too high cost + +00:11:00.302 --> 00:11:02.181 +for what I was looking back then. + +00:11:02.182 --> 00:11:07.501 +And this thing runs Linux essentially + +00:11:07.502 --> 00:11:10.421 +natively from the Chromebook. + +00:11:10.422 --> 00:11:14.581 +And I've installed Emacs there. It has all my config. + +00:11:14.582 --> 00:11:21.741 +And so if I want to take touchscreen notes, I do it there. + +00:11:21.742 --> 00:11:27.181 +But again, that is in Emacs. And it's mostly with PDFs. + +00:11:27.182 --> 00:11:31.181 +I'm not sure if it answers exactly the question. + +00:11:31.182 --> 00:11:35.221 +So if it's an e-reader, if it's, for example, a book, + +00:11:35.222 --> 00:11:39.661 +I know that if you have an EPUB, + +00:11:39.662 --> 00:11:42.221 +I think it's called the format for books, + +00:11:42.222 --> 00:11:44.701 +and Org-noter can also read that. + +00:11:44.702 --> 00:11:49.741 +So you could also open that file inside Emacs + +00:11:49.742 --> 00:11:51.541 +using Org-noter and take notes. + +00:11:51.542 --> 00:12:02.941 +But otherwise, If you're not + +00:12:02.942 --> 00:12:06.901 +reading everything in Emacs, + +00:12:06.902 --> 00:12:09.021 +then it's hard to pass annotations + +00:12:09.022 --> 00:12:11.581 +from outside Emacs to inside it, + +00:12:11.582 --> 00:12:15.461 +because of course you have less interoperability in that case. + +00:12:15.462 --> 00:12:22.621 +but I think Emacs is featureful enough + +00:12:22.622 --> 00:12:25.621 +to where you can do all your reading inside it. + +00:12:25.622 --> 00:12:30.141 +And Org-noter has a surprising amount of different formats + +00:12:30.142 --> 00:12:31.621 +where you can read things actually. + +00:12:31.622 --> 00:12:40.141 +I hope it was clear if you want more on that + +00:12:40.142 --> 00:12:45.901 +because I know it's a bit more a complex question, I guess, + +00:12:45.902 --> 00:12:47.701 +also with e-readers. + +00:12:47.702 --> 00:12:52.061 +And if it is in Emacs or not, feel free to add more. + +00:12:52.062 --> 00:12:56.901 +And how old do you feel + +00:12:56.902 --> 00:13:00.461 +about making notes on websites, PDF, videos? + +00:13:00.462 --> 00:13:05.741 +So I will agree with the other question + +00:13:05.742 --> 00:13:07.621 +that I answered here. + +00:13:07.622 --> 00:13:11.301 +If you can convert something to PDF, + +00:13:11.302 --> 00:13:13.621 +I prefer it because then + +00:13:13.622 --> 00:13:16.741 +you need to only worry about PDFs + +00:13:16.742 --> 00:13:19.941 +and it works better that way + +00:13:19.942 --> 00:13:21.981 +than having to annotate websites. + +00:13:21.982 --> 00:13:26.181 +There is, I believe, I should have it + +00:13:26.182 --> 00:13:27.661 +in my bookmarks somewhere. + +00:13:27.662 --> 00:13:32.381 +There is a, the org-roam protocol + +00:13:32.382 --> 00:13:36.621 +that allows you to take notes directly out of a website + +00:13:36.622 --> 00:13:39.421 +and it saves all the metadata of the website. + +00:13:39.422 --> 00:13:42.941 +I did look at it at some point, + +00:13:42.942 --> 00:13:47.781 +but I haven't really continued using it too much + +00:13:47.782 --> 00:13:53.541 +because I find that I don't often take notes + +00:13:53.542 --> 00:14:00.221 +from a website where I want the and more information + +00:14:00.222 --> 00:14:02.421 +than just either the link of the website + +00:14:02.422 --> 00:14:05.741 +or if I want the full text converting into a PDF. + +00:14:05.742 --> 00:14:07.261 +So I haven't really found + +00:14:07.262 --> 00:14:08.541 +a very big use case for it, + +00:14:08.542 --> 00:14:11.301 +but I know that Org-Roam protocol is a thing. + +00:14:11.302 --> 00:14:16.701 +And then for videos is a bit of a longer story + +00:14:16.702 --> 00:14:19.901 +because if you want to take notes on videos, + +00:14:19.902 --> 00:14:21.541 +that's a bit more complex. + +00:14:21.542 --> 00:14:28.181 +And I don't know of a way to do it in Emacs, + +00:14:28.182 --> 00:14:30.941 +but I also don't know of an effective way + +00:14:30.942 --> 00:14:34.421 +to take notes on videos using other tools. + +00:14:34.422 --> 00:14:39.901 +What I typically do if I'm following the video or something + +00:14:39.902 --> 00:14:44.461 +is that I will take notes of the more important things. + +00:14:44.462 --> 00:14:50.581 +I'll take notes of the more important things + +00:14:50.582 --> 00:14:52.381 +that I was listening in the video. + +00:14:52.382 --> 00:14:55.101 +And while I'm listening, I will take + +00:14:55.102 --> 00:14:57.581 +some ideal crude notes, + +00:14:57.582 --> 00:15:00.901 +not because I don't want to lose + +00:15:00.902 --> 00:15:03.981 +a lot of my attention during the, + +00:15:03.982 --> 00:15:09.781 +what I'm trying to learn by taking very good notes. + +00:15:09.782 --> 00:15:11.141 +So most of the time, + +00:15:11.142 --> 00:15:13.741 +those kinds of notes will be in paper, + +00:15:13.742 --> 00:15:16.181 +even just very simple, crude notes. + +00:15:16.182 --> 00:15:20.381 +And then without any timestamps or anything, + +00:15:20.382 --> 00:15:23.941 +because that's too complex for what I've done. + +00:15:23.942 --> 00:15:28.501 +And after watching, I will try to + +00:15:28.502 --> 00:15:31.421 +consolidate all my thoughts that I wrote down + +00:15:31.422 --> 00:15:36.061 +into some more permanent notes using Org Roam. + +00:15:36.062 --> 00:15:46.181 +And then like move on with that also look online + +00:15:46.182 --> 00:15:50.421 +if I noted that I want to look more on on this subject + +00:15:50.422 --> 00:15:52.821 +that was mentioned the video + +00:15:52.822 --> 00:15:53.821 +and I didn't fully understand it + +00:15:53.822 --> 00:15:57.381 +then I will try and look more and things like that + +00:15:57.382 --> 00:16:02.981 +so for me that's how I do it because I think that + +00:16:02.982 --> 00:16:05.661 +Annotating a video directly with timestamps + +00:16:05.662 --> 00:16:07.821 +and everything is a bit too complex. + +00:16:07.822 --> 00:16:09.501 +I don't know if you have + +00:16:09.502 --> 00:16:12.061 +any suggestions for working with that, + +00:16:12.062 --> 00:16:19.381 +but for me, it has been very troublesome. + +00:16:19.382 --> 00:16:22.341 +And then how do you add a new article from scratch, + +00:16:22.342 --> 00:16:25.301 +a PDF that you did not have in your bib file? + +00:16:25.302 --> 00:16:29.661 +How do you generate the bib entry metadata and abstract? + +00:16:29.662 --> 00:16:36.941 +So yeah, the package is called Zotra. + +00:16:36.942 --> 00:16:44.061 +I can also show it again. Let's find something. + +00:16:44.062 --> 00:16:49.861 +and can open up. Let's not do that. + +00:16:49.862 --> 00:16:53.981 +If I open it, I need to access it through my institution. + +00:16:53.982 --> 00:16:57.621 +So I will not open the link, but I can show you essentially + +00:16:57.622 --> 00:17:02.101 +you run Zotra add entry, this function, + +00:17:02.102 --> 00:17:10.421 +and it copies what you have currently in your, in your, + +00:17:10.422 --> 00:17:12.461 +what you have already copied right now + +00:17:12.462 --> 00:17:15.861 +it's the message I copied before for the Q&A + +00:17:15.862 --> 00:17:21.861 +but if you open a paper and have the URL copied + +00:17:21.862 --> 00:17:26.341 +it will immediately come here and will save everything + +00:17:26.342 --> 00:17:28.621 +and also as I mentioned there's the + +00:17:28.622 --> 00:17:31.301 +you can also download the patches from there + +00:17:31.302 --> 00:17:34.381 +but with paywalled articles doesn't always work well + +00:17:34.382 --> 00:17:40.261 +so I just do it manually + +00:17:40.262 --> 00:17:45.821 +Oh, system is running low on power. Give me just a second. + +00:17:45.822 --> 00:17:59.021 +So the computer doesn't turn off as we're speaking. Yes. + +00:17:59.022 --> 00:18:03.541 +So yeah, the, everything is added from scratch. + +00:18:03.542 --> 00:18:14.541 +Essentially you copy the URL and give it to Soletrend. + +00:18:14.542 --> 00:18:17.381 +It does everything. uh when you fact check every details + +00:18:17.382 --> 00:18:26.261 +for a bib entry your open names published journal + +00:18:26.262 --> 00:18:29.461 +doi stuff uh so i i generally don't do that + +00:18:29.462 --> 00:18:30.861 +oh yeah thanks for the person + +00:18:30.862 --> 00:18:35.101 +that added the link to the zocha + +00:18:35.102 --> 00:18:38.381 +i i wouldn't say that i fact check the details + +00:18:38.382 --> 00:18:40.901 +i assume that When they're added, + +00:18:40.902 --> 00:18:44.541 +they're actually correct. + +00:18:44.542 --> 00:18:49.741 +Have you actually had trouble with a tool + +00:18:49.742 --> 00:18:52.021 +that automatically adds them to add them wrong? + +00:18:52.022 --> 00:18:54.861 +I'm curious. I haven't really heard + +00:18:54.862 --> 00:18:59.421 +that happening too much. + +00:18:59.422 --> 00:19:01.861 +I've always thought that, yeah, if you do it manually, + +00:19:01.862 --> 00:19:04.621 +you need to fact check that you did it correctly. + +00:19:04.622 --> 00:19:06.461 +But I always assume that if you do it + +00:19:06.462 --> 00:19:09.301 +automatically through a tool, + +00:19:09.302 --> 00:19:11.661 +It should already be correct. + +00:19:11.662 --> 00:19:15.101 +And I don't remember ever having any trouble either + +00:19:15.102 --> 00:19:20.221 +when I was using Zotero before or now + +00:19:20.222 --> 00:19:24.101 +with the more Emacs based tools. + +00:19:24.102 --> 00:19:29.781 +I feel like the big entries are copied correctly. + +00:19:29.782 --> 00:19:35.101 +I haven't noticed this being incorrect. + +00:19:35.102 --> 00:19:40.181 +But I'm curious, do you have any point + +00:19:40.182 --> 00:19:44.661 +On that, I will keep in mind. + +00:19:44.662 --> 00:19:48.541 +Sometimes, DOI records are not exactly correct. + +00:19:48.542 --> 00:19:52.861 +For example, they can contain some very strange symbols. + +00:19:52.862 --> 00:20:01.901 +So that can happen sometimes. OK. Yeah. I don't know. + +00:20:01.902 --> 00:20:05.741 +I guess then if you want to fact check, + +00:20:05.742 --> 00:20:12.141 +it's probably the best to do it directly as it is added, + +00:20:12.142 --> 00:20:14.901 +like it's added, for example, here, + +00:20:14.902 --> 00:20:17.941 +and you can just directly, when you add it, + +00:20:17.942 --> 00:20:23.501 +find it and say, is everything correct here? + +00:20:23.502 --> 00:20:27.661 +Because I think that if you leave it for later, + +00:20:27.662 --> 00:20:31.381 +it will be much more of a mess. + +00:20:31.382 --> 00:20:33.181 +So for checking, I would just do it directly + +00:20:33.182 --> 00:20:47.261 +after I add it to the bit file. + +00:20:47.262 --> 00:20:50.621 +And let me see, is there anything else? + +00:20:50.622 --> 00:20:53.501 +I think one common way it can fail + +00:20:53.502 --> 00:20:56.381 +is when the metadata includes + +00:20:56.382 --> 00:20:59.581 +HTML tags for math, for example. + +00:20:59.582 --> 00:21:03.501 +And in some papers, for some journals, it can happen. + +00:21:03.502 --> 00:21:05.061 +So then you can imagine what happens + +00:21:05.062 --> 00:21:06.981 +when you try to put that citation + +00:21:06.982 --> 00:21:08.741 +into your references. + +00:21:08.742 --> 00:21:12.421 +That's going to be a mess. + +00:21:12.422 --> 00:21:17.501 +Yeah, okay. I didn't know, to be honest, so yeah. + +00:21:17.502 --> 00:21:27.101 +Thanks for the information. + +00:21:27.102 --> 00:21:29.501 +I think our graph has automatic cleaning + +00:21:29.502 --> 00:21:30.421 +of certain things + +00:21:30.422 --> 00:21:34.741 +for common errors in the metadata. + +00:21:34.742 --> 00:21:37.221 +How did you call that? + +00:21:37.222 --> 00:21:38.381 +I can note it down also here for the discussion. + +00:21:38.382 --> 00:21:45.861 +Oh, our graph. Or graph. Or graph. Yeah. + +00:21:45.862 --> 00:22:12.261 +Okay. Okay. I will put it down the pad. + +00:22:12.262 --> 00:22:14.141 +And I think the next talk, + +00:22:14.142 --> 00:22:18.461 +the live will move in the next minute anyways. + +00:22:18.462 --> 00:22:22.141 +And I see we're done with all the questions. + +00:22:22.142 --> 00:22:26.141 +So thank you everyone. I hope this was interesting. + +00:22:26.142 --> 00:22:28.501 +Thank you for giving me a lot of questions + +00:22:28.502 --> 00:22:31.461 +so we had to discuss for the whole time + +00:22:31.462 --> 00:22:34.541 +and we weren't just here sitting. + +00:22:34.542 --> 00:22:36.182 +And enjoy the rest of EmacsConf. |