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Climate, I like to say. + +00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:20.319 +It used to be show. + +00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:24.679 +The Lispy Gopher show or the Lispy Gopher Climate. + +00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:31.119 +Thank you so much for joining us. Minutes. + +00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.639 +Yeah, we're just, we've got already + +00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.359 +a whole pad full of questions + +00:00:35.360 --> 00:00:38.039 +and we have a unique opportunity if you, + +00:00:38.040 --> 00:00:39.159 +if you check out the etherpad, + +00:00:39.160 --> 00:00:42.239 +you'll see some instructions there to join on Lambda Moo, + +00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:43.039 +which screwless, + +00:00:43.040 --> 00:00:46.319 +but I'm hoping you will talk to us a little bit about that + +00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.879 +as well as your, your very cool project. + +00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.839 +Oh yeah, so I main on Lambda, as Corwin is saying. + +00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:55.639 +And Corwin was pretending not to know the name of the show, + +00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.399 +but he has in fact appeared on an episode of it + +00:00:59.400 --> 00:01:00.879 +in January this year, I think. + +00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.919 +So he was just pretending there. I'm screwless of this. + +00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.919 +What's happening? + +00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:13.439 +10 minutes or less before we started going live here, + +00:01:13.440 --> 00:01:16.159 +they were like, remember how you said you fixed that bug? + +00:01:16.160 --> 00:01:21.479 +And then I had to quickly recapitulate my whole talk. + +00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.719 +And I introduced some new bugs while that was happening. + +00:01:23.720 --> 00:01:26.199 +But let's go through some of these questions. + +00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.479 +We're all hanging out in LambdaMoo. + +00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:37.639 +So if you mx telnet over to lambda.moo.mud.org port 8888. + +00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:40.279 +This is where we're talking at the moment + +00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:45.399 +with people like Ed Swarthout, DM, and yduJ, + +00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.559 +who I gossiped about in the show, + +00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.519 +and Sasha, and people were there a little bit as well. + +00:01:50.520 --> 00:01:53.359 +I'm just going to read some of the questions + +00:01:53.360 --> 00:01:59.759 +that GGXX in Lambdomoo has been relaying to me there, + +00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:08.239 +though I hear that there are a whole bunch of them now. + +00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:09.759 +Someone asks on the Etherpad, + +00:02:09.760 --> 00:02:13.199 +what do you mean when I say the agent is running slowly? + +00:02:13.200 --> 00:02:17.119 +Yeah, so if you saw in the talk, + +00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.639 +I was having the agent only attempt + +00:02:19.640 --> 00:02:21.959 +to act every 20 seconds. + +00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.399 +This is what I mean by the agent is acting slowly. + +00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:26.599 +So this is quite different + +00:02:26.600 --> 00:02:28.599 +to what people might expect within AI + +00:02:28.600 --> 00:02:30.679 +if people are talking about like the graphics card ones + +00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.599 +where you're trying crunch as fast as you can + +00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:36.399 +for as few seconds as you can, and then you stop. + +00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.399 +In contrast, my agent is just trying to do + +00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.279 +a simple action every 20 seconds. + +00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.119 +But if you keep going continuously + +00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.919 +at a simple action every 20 seconds + +00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:49.959 +without sleeping for days, + +00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:51.239 +it still adds up to a lot. + +00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:57.039 +So that was the significance of it running slowly. + +00:02:57.040 --> 00:03:00.639 +What else are people saying? TGXX to screwtape. + +00:03:00.640 --> 00:03:02.519 +Someone asked on the Etherpad, + +00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.759 +do you think that it would be too hard + +00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:06.439 +to add a second way + +00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:09.959 +to send commands from Common Lisps to Emacs? + +00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.919 +No, I put three of them together + +00:03:12.920 --> 00:03:14.559 +and I didn't talk about it + +00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.239 +because this is a kind of affected choice. + +00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.039 +Right now you're using Emacs client for that. + +00:03:20.040 --> 00:03:22.039 +That is the simplest way to implement. + +00:03:22.040 --> 00:03:24.039 +How about using the slime protocol? + +00:03:24.040 --> 00:03:28.799 +Elsewhere, I am just using the SLIME protocol. + +00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.639 +So, in everyone that's SLIME-connected. + +00:03:31.640 --> 00:03:33.399 +So, earlier on, you saw somebody + +00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.399 +running a SWANK server in Python. + +00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.439 +Normally, you run a SWANK server in Common Lisp. + +00:03:38.440 --> 00:03:41.599 +And a SWANK server is what Emacs SLIME, + +00:03:41.600 --> 00:03:45.039 +Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs, connects to. + +00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:49.039 +And then Swank comes with Swank Eval and Emacs. + +00:03:49.040 --> 00:03:50.959 +So after you've been slime connected, + +00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:55.039 +you can trivially send Emacs Lisp forms to Emacs + +00:03:55.040 --> 00:03:57.319 +using Swank Eval and Emacs. + +00:03:57.320 --> 00:04:00.679 +The reason that I chose to use + +00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.199 +Emacs server and Emacs client + +00:04:05.200 --> 00:04:14.039 +was that I was letting the Leonardo agent + +00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:18.799 +talk to Emacs using Swank, Eval, and Emacs. + +00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.599 +And I wanted my ECL image to be using + +00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.119 +a different notion of a server. + +00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.039 +So the ECL image, just because + +00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:28.959 +I chose to do it like this, + +00:04:28.960 --> 00:04:33.279 +is using Emacs client and Emacs server going via, + +00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:35.239 +I guess it's executing a program + +00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:36.439 +rather than using a shell. + +00:04:36.440 --> 00:04:40.639 +And Yeah, I was letting somebody else + +00:04:40.640 --> 00:04:42.439 +use Slime eval in Emacs. + +00:04:42.440 --> 00:04:45.039 +It would have been simpler + +00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.319 +if everybody just used Slime eval in Emacs. + +00:04:48.320 --> 00:04:50.919 +I thought I was getting something + +00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:56.079 +out of adding Emacs server into the mix. + +00:04:56.080 --> 00:04:57.319 +What's somebody saying? + +00:04:57.320 --> 00:05:00.319 +Idaj is weirded out by doing get foo bar + +00:05:00.320 --> 00:05:02.439 +instead of get foo quote bar. + +00:05:02.440 --> 00:05:04.359 +Yeah, that was Sandewall's choice. + +00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.679 +He was trying to pitch Lisp + +00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.159 +to logic notation people, + +00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.319 +so he lets people put commas in + +00:05:12.320 --> 00:05:15.559 +and then ignores them in certain expressions, + +00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.679 +and he doesn't have these Lisp-style quotes. + +00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:22.439 +Idaj is obviously from like Schlumberger + +00:05:22.440 --> 00:05:24.879 +and wherever else she was at in + +00:05:24.880 --> 00:05:28.039 +in the kind of list of traditions. + +00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:30.359 +Full of Spain is saying good observation. + +00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:33.839 +Yidaj is shocked that she's being mentioned. + +00:05:33.840 --> 00:05:40.519 +Interestingly Nosredna yduJ capitalizes Nosredna at the front, + +00:05:40.520 --> 00:05:45.079 +but she capitalizes yduJ at the back, just for clarity. + +00:05:45.080 --> 00:05:49.199 +You should read her Stanford page or her recipe site + +00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:57.999 +or anything if you're not clear on who yduJ is. + +00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.679 +It's actually you're looking for the word eclipsed. + +00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.559 +I think she eclipsed a dodge, + +00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.119 +I think is the English phrase that you're looking for. + +00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:08.839 +He does just saying she would not. + +00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:10.519 +She's no matter what I say + +00:06:10.520 --> 00:06:13.039 +she's not going to hug my software agent + +00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:20.719 +like she would hug a grandchild eyes me warily. + +00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:22.119 +And Sasha is not going to. + +00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.759 +Totally not training a general intelligence + +00:06:24.760 --> 00:06:26.199 +who requires a lot of data + +00:06:26.200 --> 00:06:28.959 +and also cuddles. Okay, so everybody who has children + +00:06:28.960 --> 00:06:31.599 +is disagreeing with me quoting Sandewall, + +00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.319 +who did have children and grandchildren, + +00:06:33.320 --> 00:06:36.119 +saying that he wanted machine intelligences + +00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:37.759 +to be like his grandchild. + +00:06:37.760 --> 00:06:40.839 +GGXX is saying somebody on Etherpad + +00:06:40.840 --> 00:06:43.119 +is asking what the Leonardo system is. + +00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.599 +Sandewall is a LISP scientist + +00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.159 +from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 90s, 10s. + +00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.599 +with things like bronze statues of him in Sweden. + +00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.599 +People outside of the Swedish-speaking sphere of science + +00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.119 +are less familiar with him. + +00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.119 +I guess he famously taught Robert Strand + +00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.319 +how to program in LISP, if that places him for you. + +00:07:08.320 --> 00:07:10.199 +What else did he do? + +00:07:10.200 --> 00:07:15.599 +Yeah, so he was on a kind of long trajectory of AI, + +00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.039 +which would now be called good old-fashioned AI. + +00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:22.639 +And he was coming from the situation calculus, + +00:07:22.640 --> 00:07:26.559 +then activity calculus kind of direction, + +00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:28.759 +which are extended first order logics + +00:07:28.760 --> 00:07:31.559 +for reasoning about change over time. + +00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.759 +And his last program he contributed to the world was this. + +00:07:35.760 --> 00:07:39.319 +From 2005 to 2014, he worked on + +00:07:39.320 --> 00:07:43.479 +this Leonardo system for his master's program. + +00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.279 +He was teaching at that time + +00:07:45.280 --> 00:07:48.519 +at the University of Linköping in Sweden. + +00:07:48.520 --> 00:07:53.199 +And... Then he just kind of gradually faded from view + +00:07:53.200 --> 00:07:55.519 +while he wrote his unpublished books + +00:07:55.520 --> 00:08:01.639 +on reasoning and change, I guess, between 2010 and 2014. + +00:08:01.640 --> 00:08:03.959 +And then I just kind of noticed this eventually. + +00:08:03.960 --> 00:08:07.839 +And I brought that software back. And that's what this is. + +00:08:07.840 --> 00:08:09.999 +And that's why it kind of weirdly exists. + +00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:15.479 +Welcome to Khaki Guest. Magenta Guest is gone. + +00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.759 +Pink Guest is gone. + +00:08:16.760 --> 00:08:23.639 +Blue Guest has arrived. Great. Somebody order six. + +00:08:23.640 --> 00:08:26.239 +Everybody orders sake from Emily. + +00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:29.599 +We're hanging out in Jay Lamott's sushi bar in Lambda, + +00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:31.639 +which is on the model railway + +00:08:31.640 --> 00:08:35.599 +on the table in the second guest bedroom in Lambda House + +00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.639 +where we're all hanging out. + +00:08:36.640 --> 00:08:43.559 +Oh, I think GGXX is ordering people up things. + +00:08:43.560 --> 00:08:46.399 +You know, just teach people about this. + +00:08:46.400 --> 00:08:52.279 +All right, I'm going to try looking + +00:08:52.280 --> 00:08:55.519 +at the etherpad manually. Sorry, I can read you. + +00:08:55.520 --> 00:08:57.319 +So the next question you have, + +00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.479 +somebody says, I found Eduardo's blog. + +00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.199 +OK, you just got through that. + +00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.199 +And then we were also, a question you answered + +00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:10.799 +is the other one that I see here, just about Lambda Moo. + +00:09:10.800 --> 00:09:14.199 +And I think you started to answer in the pad. + +00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.079 +But if you want to kind of read that out. + +00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.119 +I definitely haven't written anything in the pad. + +00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.719 +I'm going to just talk to Khaki Guest in Lambda. + +00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:25.879 +Sure, so why don't you do a little bit + +00:09:25.880 --> 00:09:27.279 +and just read this question. + +00:09:27.280 --> 00:09:31.279 +The question was, what is LambdaMOO and how do we use it? + +00:09:31.280 --> 00:09:33.399 +LambdaMOO is a module introduction, + +00:09:33.400 --> 00:09:35.319 +and you can tell that to it. + +00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:36.799 +There's instructions in the pad. + +00:09:36.800 --> 00:09:40.039 +I'll go ahead and drop that in the gen channel + +00:09:40.040 --> 00:09:42.599 +or in the dev channel chat right now. + +00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:46.919 +And I see it is already in there. + +00:09:46.920 --> 00:09:49.559 +But down at the bottom + +00:09:49.560 --> 00:09:53.439 +of the discussion links feedback area, + +00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.679 +you'll see a set of detailed instructions + +00:09:55.680 --> 00:09:58.519 +that ScrewList has provided us to get in there. + +00:09:58.520 --> 00:10:01.159 +I think that was actually GGXX + +00:10:01.160 --> 00:10:03.959 +who might have written that for us. + +00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.039 +Several changes evolved in the last 10 minutes + +00:10:08.040 --> 00:10:09.679 +before we went live here. + +00:10:09.680 --> 00:10:12.839 +But yeah, so LambdaMoo is + +00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:14.879 +the world's longest-running virtual reality. + +00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:19.119 +I guess it started in the end of October in 1990 + +00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.759 +and has run continuously to today. + +00:10:21.760 --> 00:10:24.599 +You can get there, ideally, with a MUD client. + +00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.479 +Technically, it's a MUD, comma, object-oriented. + +00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.199 +This is just where I hang out some degree of the week. + +00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:36.799 +yduJ is the wizard yduJ, or sorry, + +00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:40.919 +yduJ is also the wizard Nosredna of Lambdomoo, for example. + +00:10:40.920 --> 00:10:44.479 +It kind of fits into quite less history. + +00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.679 +I guess Pavel Curtis would have started in 1990 + +00:10:47.680 --> 00:10:52.799 +for Xerox PARC, originally. Just to go to what Khaki Guest + +00:10:52.800 --> 00:10:54.839 +has been continuing to talk about. + +00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.799 +Welcome to Brown, Guest, as well, I guess. + +00:10:57.800 --> 00:11:03.399 +Aki Guest says, to Screwtape, + +00:11:03.400 --> 00:11:04.959 +it seems like you're trying to build + +00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.279 +a more restrictive Turing test + +00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:11.159 +using the input output logs of an Emacs conversation. + +00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:12.159 +Is that accurate? + +00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:15.079 +Can you explain this idea of if it is intelligent, + +00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.239 +I'd like it to be like me? + +00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:20.039 +Otherwise, I don't know what intelligence is. + +00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:21.959 +Doesn't that seem a little egocentric? + +00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:25.399 +Is that a joke or a genuine definition of intelligence? + +00:11:25.400 --> 00:11:27.439 +Why do you think the link between + +00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.519 +input-output of Emacs human input-output + +00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:33.919 +is stronger than other forms of Turing tests? + +00:11:33.920 --> 00:11:36.319 +So I'm going to misread Turing tests + +00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:37.839 +for a moment as Turing-complete. + +00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.279 +And Sandewall's system is very specifically + +00:11:40.280 --> 00:11:45.519 +Our first-order logic, if we don't extend it, + +00:11:45.520 --> 00:11:49.239 +is not Turing-complete, for starters. + +00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.959 +And things like situation calculus, + +00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:53.839 +McCarthy's situation calculus, + +00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.239 +which I guess is prior to + +00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.439 +Sandewall's Leonardo's calculus, + +00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.319 +are extended first-order logics + +00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:03.959 +for reasoning about change. + +00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:05.519 +And so they're slightly + +00:12:05.520 --> 00:12:07.639 +more restricted than conventional, + +00:12:07.640 --> 00:12:10.239 +than general-purpose computer programs. + +00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.639 +And then what you're saying is, if it's intelligent, + +00:12:14.640 --> 00:12:16.119 +I'd expect it to be like me. + +00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.799 +I'm really just paraphrasing what Sandewall says about, + +00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:23.319 +well, he thinks his grandchildren are intelligent. + +00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:24.759 +So if a computer is intelligent, + +00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:26.239 +he thinks the computer will have to be + +00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.039 +similar to his grandchildren. + +00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:32.279 +This is in contrast to people + +00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:33.839 +who are using the terms AI + +00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.319 +to mean something a graphics card does + +00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.319 +with extremely specialized bulk matrix multiplication + +00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.919 +for a very short period of time + +00:12:43.920 --> 00:12:47.519 +on absolutely gigantic electrical + +00:12:47.520 --> 00:12:50.159 +and kind of memory and computing resources, + +00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:51.519 +which doesn't look at all like what + +00:12:51.520 --> 00:12:54.999 +Sandewall's grandchildren were doing. + +00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:56.399 +And this is why I'm kind of saying, + +00:12:56.400 --> 00:12:57.559 +well, if I have an agent, + +00:12:57.560 --> 00:13:00.839 +And my agent is quite simple. + +00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.519 +It uses Emacs server and Emacs client + +00:13:04.520 --> 00:13:07.559 +to send lines of basically extended + +00:13:07.560 --> 00:13:09.199 +first-order logic to the agent, + +00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.959 +and the agent then takes a kind of + +00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:15.399 +first-order logic-y action. + +00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:21.079 +And I was making the point + +00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.479 +that this looks more like me computing + +00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.519 +using of REPL-driven development like EEV, + +00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:30.479 +where in EEV I have basically a log + +00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.119 +of something I've previously done, + +00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.239 +and I can tap F8 and execute + +00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.479 +line after line after line. + +00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.839 +And I think if I see an agent doing that, + +00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:40.399 +I can clearly understand + +00:13:40.400 --> 00:13:43.639 +and relate to what the agent is doing. + +00:13:43.640 --> 00:13:45.519 +And so I'm not classifying + +00:13:45.520 --> 00:13:49.399 +Like, I never do gigabytes and gigabytes + +00:13:49.400 --> 00:13:52.279 +and gigabytes of matrix multiplications, + +00:13:52.280 --> 00:13:54.959 +so I can't relate to this as an idea of intelligence. + +00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.919 +Sorry. Welcome to GreenGuest teleporting in. + +00:13:57.920 --> 00:14:02.759 +FullSpain is saying, no one truly knows what intelligence is. + +00:14:02.760 --> 00:14:10.759 +All right. I kind of wished that this was working, + +00:14:10.760 --> 00:14:13.199 +because just before we went live, they said, + +00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.919 +hey, just have your example working quickly. + +00:14:15.920 --> 00:14:18.999 +Then I downloaded my example from my blog, + +00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.479 +and I'd double escaped some characters + +00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.799 +so that the escaped characters would show up in my blog. + +00:14:26.800 --> 00:14:29.759 +And I caused a lot of rampant chaos. + +00:14:29.760 --> 00:14:32.319 +If anyone else has a question. + +00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:40.759 +Guest has said, but. So. Great. + +00:14:40.760 --> 00:14:47.279 +I guess I could go back and try it. + +00:14:47.280 --> 00:14:50.399 +I probably should have jumped in a couple of minutes ago + +00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:53.279 +and just said the live stream did cut over, + +00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:54.919 +but we're continuing to record this + +00:14:54.920 --> 00:14:57.119 +and the whole session will be published + +00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:58.399 +along with the video on the website. + +00:14:58.400 --> 00:15:04.079 +Oh, well. Sorry about that. I tried that. + +00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.799 +I just lost a couple of minutes there + +00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:08.879 +and failed to give you the smooth morning. + +00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:14.199 +Oh, no, no. That's fine. I was just kind of rambling. + +00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.959 +Listen. Don't download a web page + +00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.799 +and try and convert it to an org file on the fly + +00:15:19.800 --> 00:15:21.959 +and just before you go live somewhere + +00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:23.319 +is the kind of moral here. + +00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.799 +You know, just saying that's pretty graphics, but it's long. + +00:15:27.800 --> 00:15:29.399 +She's dropping. See you later. Yeah. + +00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:31.239 +Let's, let's, let's all get out of here. + +00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:32.399 +Basically. I'm going to go see + +00:15:32.400 --> 00:15:36.159 +if I can look at this ether pad one last time + +00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:37.639 +and see if there are any questions + +00:15:37.640 --> 00:15:39.359 +just to not leave anyone else. + +00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:43.559 +Anyone out much to their chagrin possibly. + +00:15:43.560 --> 00:15:47.639 +Um, how to connect to LambdaMu, seems great. + +00:15:47.640 --> 00:15:52.159 +Oh, interesting guides, somebody wrote that. + +00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:55.439 +What do you mean by slowly? Yeah, so I'm saying taking + +00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.279 +a simple action every 20 seconds, + +00:15:57.280 --> 00:15:59.079 +this still adds up to a lot over time. + +00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:01.599 +Question, do you think that it would be, + +00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.079 +yeah, well, if you've used Slime, + +00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.959 +and hence you're using Swank, + +00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:07.239 +you can just Swank, Eval, + +00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.839 +and Emacs would be the more trivial way. + +00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.719 +I felt like I was getting something bonus + +00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.959 +by using, um, Emacs server. + +00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:17.359 +Somebody has a link to Eduardo's blog, + +00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.839 +which I think has been misspelled. + +00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.079 +It should be angkwu with no dot there, + +00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:27.199 +dot net, sharp sign EEV. + +00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:31.519 +So, Eduardo is the author of EEV mode. + +00:16:31.520 --> 00:16:33.079 +I found Eduardo's thing. + +00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.199 +Oh, this was the question, what is the Leonardo system, + +00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.479 +which I just answered. + +00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.959 +What is LambdaMOO? How do you use it? + +00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:45.559 +It's a mud, comma, object-oriented. + +00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:49.319 +So it's a multi-user dungeon kind of classical video game, + +00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.799 +still popular, but with extended object-oriented facilities. + +00:16:52.800 --> 00:16:57.359 +Companies like Harlequin, which yduJ + +00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.319 +and Ken Pitman, for example, were at, I think, in the 90s. + +00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:05.319 +Instead of modernly, you'd have Slack web apps or something. + +00:17:05.320 --> 00:17:08.079 +People used to have these MOOs and things. + +00:17:08.080 --> 00:17:15.519 +Okay, the music that's replaced me is evidently quite nice. + +00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:22.119 +Yes, get the hints. Thanks for being here. + +00:17:22.120 --> 00:17:29.359 +Well, let's continue this diatribe + +00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:33.639 +possibly on the Mastodon or something like that. + +00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.999 +We'll do some kind of... + +00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:40.519 +Let me thank you one more time for preparing this talk + +00:17:40.520 --> 00:17:44.359 +and for all that you do for the Free Software community + +00:17:44.360 --> 00:17:47.879 +and especially for Emacs. particularly appreciate you. + +00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.439 +Thank you for all you do for the Free Software community + +00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.319 +and particularly Emacs, Corwin and Bruce. + +00:17:53.320 --> 00:17:56.079 +I'm still waiting for a working demo of Dungeon Mode. + +00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:58.559 +My joke that I was setting up and never had a chance for + +00:17:58.560 --> 00:17:59.959 +was that I was going to say + +00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:03.599 +I wanted my agent to be using Dungeon Mode in Emacs. + +00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:05.999 +How's that? Okay, well, we'll work on that. + +00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.119 +That could be a project for the two of us in our copious free time. + +00:18:10.120 --> 00:18:13.559 +Definitely. Yeah. Okay. I'll let you go. + +00:18:13.560 --> 00:18:14.679 +I'm gonna abandon this stream. + +00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.039 +All right. I'll end out the recording + +00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:24.560 +and thanks to all who participated. Okay. See you later. |