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diff --git a/2024/info/papers-after.md b/2024/info/papers-after.md index a1a69fd8..858ee9dd 100644 --- a/2024/info/papers-after.md +++ b/2024/info/papers-after.md @@ -175,7 +175,290 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [vincent.conus@pm.me](mailto:vincent.conus@pm.me?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20papers%3A%20Writing%20academic%20papers%20in%20Org-Roam) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="papers-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""mentally over the next couple of days, but I can assure you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it will be many organizers in the background also""" start="00:00:04.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working. You'll probably get to see us later on. But for now,""" start="00:00:06.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without further ado, I want to say hi to Vincent. Hi,""" start="00:00:10.200" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vincent. Hi, thanks for having me. Yeah, and thanks for""" start="00:00:13.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming and thanks for presenting. I mean, you didn't decide""" start="00:00:19.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go first. It's mostly the time zone for you which decided""" start="00:00:22.920" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you because I believe you are in Japan, correctly. Yeah,""" start="00:00:25.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exactly. So I'm living there now and it's very late. It's""" start="00:00:28.920" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really funny to see everyone saying good morning in the""" start="00:00:33.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chat. It's always the same for me. So personally, I'm in""" start="00:00:37.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""France. So for me, it's only 3 p.m. For you, it's probably 9 or""" start="00:00:39.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10 p.m. if I'm correct. Already 11 here, yeah. It's already""" start="00:00:43.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""11, so thank you for staying up so late for us. And how about we""" start="00:00:47.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just get started with the questions because you've just""" start="00:00:53.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presented something that is very dear to my heart, which is""" start="00:00:55.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing academic paper with Org Mode, which is, for the""" start="00:00:59.240" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""record, how I got started with Org Roam and stuff like this.""" start="00:01:01.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, unless you've got anything else to add on top of your""" start="00:01:05.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation that wasn't able to fit in, I suggest we just""" start="00:01:08.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start taking questions. All right. So yeah, right now I'm""" start="00:01:11.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reading the question from IRC and also from the pad. So I""" start="00:01:16.560" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""guess I'm gonna take what's already written there. So the""" start="00:01:19.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: I'd be interested how to start this journey of writing academic papers in Org-Roam when not having used Emacs Org-Mode yet? Thanks!""" start="00:01:23.160" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""first one say asking, I'd be interested in how to start this""" start="00:01:23.160" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journey to write academic paper in org-roam when not having""" start="00:01:27.360" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used Emacs org mode yet. So I saw this one before and I guess it""" start="00:01:30.240" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be possible to do that, like to use org documents only""" start="00:01:36.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the way that you are writing papers. Like maybe you can""" start="00:01:43.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just use that as a template that you're going to export. And""" start="00:01:46.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you are familiar with LaTeX, it's going to be more useful,""" start="00:01:51.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess, and maybe more convenient to work with inside of""" start="00:01:54.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. But then I'm not 100% sure if that's... How do you say""" start="00:01:59.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that? Maybe the, in my opinion, the benefits of using""" start="00:02:05.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-roam in that setup is that you can link the things. For""" start="00:02:10.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me, I'm using the search function for org-roam to just""" start="00:02:14.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""navigate between the files. So that's really some, a good""" start="00:02:18.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""advantage, but like, yeah, that could be, like Leo said in""" start="00:02:21.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the presentation, that's some, maybe that's something you""" start="00:02:26.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can start using org-mode with to write papers. So yeah.""" start="00:02:28.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: How about connecting Emacs Org-Roam to Zotero? Is that something you have experience with?""" start="00:02:35.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""some second questions. So how about connecting Emacs or Roam""" start="00:02:35.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Zotero? Is that something that you have experience with?""" start="00:02:38.880" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not at all. Actually, I used briefly Zotero in the past and I""" start="00:02:42.080" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really didn't like it or didn't really get into that. I don't""" start="00:02:47.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know. But right now,""" start="00:02:51.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Out of curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it from inside Emacs, or using a separate program like Zotero?""" start="00:02:55.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I don't connect that at all. The question after, out of""" start="00:02:55.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it""" start="00:03:00.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from inside Emacs or using a separate program, ex: Zotero?""" start="00:03:03.560" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because personally, I have struggled to do it from Emacs,""" start="00:03:06.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""though I have wanted to for some time. So the way I manage that""" start="00:03:09.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is I just have a couple of .bib files that I edit by hand, where""" start="00:03:13.880" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I put the reference when I find them.""" start="00:03:20.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, I just showed very briefly in the presentation,""" start="00:03:25.360" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the way.""" start="00:03:28.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the great thing with the org reference system is that""" start="00:03:34.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have your bibliographic files that are connected to""" start="00:03:39.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that system, you can just like, you can put the link, the""" start="00:03:43.240" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reference to the paper, like click on it from your org note,""" start="00:03:47.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can open the PDF. You can open the DOI link to open""" start="00:03:51.880" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the whatever publisher page.""" start="00:03:56.480" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So no, I don't use Zotero and I just edit bib or bib files by""" start="00:04:00.720" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hand in Emacs.""" start="00:04:10.160" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was just going to add something because you know""" start="00:04:12.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-roam-bibtex is actually one of the packages that I""" start="00:04:16.160" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developed and I got it working with Zotero because for me it""" start="00:04:20.920" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was convenient. I was studying humanities and for me it was""" start="00:04:25.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very easy to connect reference taken in my browser with""" start="00:04:28.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zotero and just post-processing them a little bit but it is""" start="00:04:32.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible to make org-roam, org-roam-bibtex and Zotero""" start="00:04:36.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""work together. But it's a little bit of an involved process to""" start="00:04:40.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get everything working in Emacs.""" start="00:04:44.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, for sure. And""" start="00:04:49.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I guess the way I'm doing it, I understand the appeal""" start="00:04:54.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for having it integrated in the browser. Maybe""" start="00:05:02.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's something I should look up, actually, because right""" start="00:05:03.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now I just like doing it very much by hand, like going on the""" start="00:05:06.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publisher page and copying the bibtex block and""" start="00:05:09.360" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just using putting that in my file. Yes, it can be not a very""" start="00:05:15.200" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""efficient workflow on that side. But after that, you're""" start="00:05:20.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""having to the PDF. It's and having it inside the notice.""" start="00:05:23.360" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's great. Yeah. To some extent, it kind of depends on""" start="00:05:26.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the reference system that is used by the field in which you""" start="00:05:30.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are or the university in which you're publishing. Because""" start="00:05:33.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes, you know, you're going to have some basic BibTeX""" start="00:05:36.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file and sometimes you're going to have better BibTeX""" start="00:05:39.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files. And those are very different metadata that you need""" start="00:05:41.480" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reconcile. And depending on which LaTeX compiler you're""" start="00:05:44.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using, be it zLaTeX[??], be it regular LaTeX, lualatex, it's""" start="00:05:49.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be all different. So it's a whole can of worms that""" start="00:05:52.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure we want to be opening now. But if you are""" start="00:05:55.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interested and if you're not too attached about getting""" start="00:05:57.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything right, it's really easy to get started with""" start="00:06:01.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuff like org-roam-bip-tech. It's supposed to get you""" start="00:06:03.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the way down to a working setup. And if you need to get""" start="00:06:06.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything working down to the comma based on your""" start="00:06:11.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reference system, that's going to be a little harder. But""" start="00:06:14.360" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's possible. I managed to do it and many people actually""" start="00:06:16.480" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""managed to do it. Okay, anyway, so let's move on to the next""" start="00:06:19.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: How do you start a new document?""" start="00:06:22.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""question. All right, so the next question asking how do you""" start="00:06:22.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start a new document? There are a lot of headers you have to""" start="00:06:26.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up. Do you use a template? I'm curious if you use your""" start="00:06:31.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""snippets to deal with all of these LaTeX org metacommands.""" start="00:06:34.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't use a snippets template of any kind for that.""" start="00:06:38.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably I should. That's actually a good idea. I'm""" start="00:06:44.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably going to look into that. No, the way I do actually is""" start="00:06:47.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just reuse some previous documents. I copy it, delete all""" start="00:06:51.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contents and adjust it until it works the way I like.""" start="00:06:56.200" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main issue in general after that step is to make it work""" start="00:07:01.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the template I receive and Let's say if I have some""" start="00:07:09.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""template that needs to work with another LaTeX compiler,""" start="00:07:14.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm probably going to try to copy an existing file that I have""" start="00:07:20.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that uses the same compiler to save me some work. But yeah,""" start="00:07:26.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no, I don't use any snippet or something. Probably I should,""" start="00:07:30.960" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm just doing it the quick and dirty way to just copy some""" start="00:07:37.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""existing thing.""" start="00:07:40.880" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: What do you think of using citar with org-roam-bibtex?""" start="00:07:41.720" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then what do you think of citar with org-roam-bibtex? It seems""" start="00:07:41.720" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that bibtex completion is tied to org-roam-bibtex. I don't""" start="00:07:48.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know. I never really looked into citar that much. I""" start="00:07:56.000" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know about that. I don't know either, so I'm not going""" start="00:08:02.080" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be able to help on this one.""" start="00:08:06.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because yeah, the bibtex completion is tied to the overall""" start="00:08:07.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bibtex. I guess so. So what I'm interpreting, because I do,""" start="00:08:17.120" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so BibTeX completion is the single motor that drives helm""" start="00:08:24.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BibTeX and Ivy BibTeX. Perhaps there's another""" start="00:08:30.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""alternative now that is using the Vertico stack for""" start="00:08:32.720" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completion. But org-roam-bibtex was interfacing with BibTeX""" start="00:08:35.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completion to retrieve all the references from a bib file.""" start="00:08:40.400" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I assume citar would be something very similar in a way""" start="00:08:46.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it interfaces with a bib file, but I couldn't tell you""" start="00:08:50.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more. I need to explore a little more and sadly I haven't""" start="00:08:54.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""touched any of this stack in like three years, so I'm a little""" start="00:08:57.440" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of touch. I guess this is what comes with leaving""" start="00:09:00.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""academia to go work as a corporate developer. I'm no longer""" start="00:09:03.200" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so interested in the publishing process, even though I'm""" start="00:09:07.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""obviously very appreciative of people who still do, and""" start="00:09:10.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially people who use""" start="00:09:12.800" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, same here. I definitely going to look into the citar""" start="00:09:13.680" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package to see what's possible. Maybe can be using in some""" start="00:09:20.240" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""way that is useful for me. Yeah.""" start="00:09:23.400" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Most academic journals insist that papers are formatted in their own custom LaTeX documentclass. Does org-roam make it easy to do that?""" start="00:09:26.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And if I go to the next question, so most academic journal""" start="00:09:26.320" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""insist that paper are formatted in their own custom LaTeX""" start="00:09:30.920" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""document class. Does org-roam make it easy to do that? The""" start="00:09:33.640" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer is no. That's mostly what I was presenting in the""" start="00:09:38.200" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slide.""" start="00:09:43.240" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, that's also why I made the presentation, because""" start="00:09:44.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if someone has a solution, I would gladly take it. No, the way""" start="00:09:50.840" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do it is that I have to add a I don't have that on top of my head.""" start="00:09:59.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plus. Yeah, exactly. So I just make a custom class with the""" start="00:10:05.080" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""name of the latex template. In general, I think people use""" start="00:10:10.600" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that to redefine like stuff like section and subsection,""" start="00:10:16.160" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for me, I just, it shows in the slide where I just map the""" start="00:10:19.360" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""section to the same section. I just changed the name of the""" start="00:10:24.280" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""class. And this way it allows to import the, the CLS and then""" start="00:10:27.240" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the rest is just like putting the tech template that is""" start="00:10:33.720" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provided either in headers, in LaTeX headers at the top or""" start="00:10:39.080" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, or just on a LaTeX block in the body of the document if""" start="00:10:48.520" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's needed, for example, for the acknowledgement.""" start="00:10:56.080" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes they need some different formatting, but no,""" start="00:11:02.040" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not really easy because it needs to modify some""" start="00:11:05.760" video="qanda-papers" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""configuration in Unix to do that. 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Please e-mail [vincent.conus@pm.me](mailto:vincent.conus@pm.me?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20papers%3A%20Writing%20academic%20papers%20in%20Org-Roam) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/papers-before.md b/2024/info/papers-before.md index d2e57f25..ebfd04cc 100644 --- a/2024/info/papers-before.md +++ b/2024/info/papers-before.md @@ -2,12 +2,14 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 11-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-papers> -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_CAPTION_QA +# Talk + <div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="papers-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="papers-mainVideo" data=""" 00:00.000 Introduction 00:20.130 What? @@ -23,5 +25,19 @@ Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page 07:41.240 Tags """]]<div></div>Duration: 10:07 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-papers">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--images.zip">Download --images.zip</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--main.webm">Download --main.webm (35MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--slides.org">Download --slides.org</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/9LYtH8MWCMZ7N4DNteys17">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="papers-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--answers.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-papers--writing-academic-papers-in-orgroam--vincent-conus--answers--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="papers-qanda" data=""" +01:23.160 Q: I'd be interested how to start this journey of writing academic papers in Org-Roam when not having used Emacs Org-Mode yet? Thanks! +02:35.840 Q: How about connecting Emacs Org-Roam to Zotero? Is that something you have experience with? +02:55.600 Q: Out of curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it from inside Emacs, or using a separate program like Zotero? +06:22.600 Q: How do you start a new document? +07:41.720 Q: What do you think of using citar with org-roam-bibtex? +09:26.320 Q: Most academic journals insist that papers are formatted in their own custom LaTeX documentclass. 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