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diff --git a/2024/talks/sharing.md b/2024/talks/sharing.md index 4c71a925..552a3161 100644 --- a/2024/talks/sharing.md +++ b/2024/talks/sharing.md @@ -31,6 +31,312 @@ From starting a YouTube channel to writing blogs, Gopar will provide practical tips and share personal experiences to help you embark on your journey of sharing Emacs knowledge. +# Discussion + +## Questions and answers + +- Q: Why does Gen-Z listen to podcasts and videos instead of read + books (not just a rumor, that's what they've told me)? The + question has baffled me for a while and perhaps you've got an idea. + - A: Gopar: Not quite sure how to answer this but I do know that + the vast majority of my viewers are millenials and older + (According to youtube analytics) + - A: \<gs-101\> Gen Z here. Not all of us raised in a book-centric + family for education, so visual or audio media is mostly all we + know (that's how it was for me, never seen my parents reading + books, but that's probably because I'm from a low income + enviroment). I moved to books for learning so I can't answer + this question that much further. But one thing I can say is that + it can be easier to visualize the amount of content, since you + can easily view in the video's timestamp, that it has 12 hours + or something. Podcasts are similar too. Interesting, ty. I + notice that most intermediate to advanced content is book based. + Put differently: few videos/podcasts break through the + beginner's barrier. Easier to get started than to grow + professionally w/o books. + - sachac: might also be related to how niche-y the topics get. + Like, we have lots of Emacs and Org tutorials, but go a bit + further and things get pretty specific / idiosyncratic, and + then the cost/benefit (making it, searching it, etc.) of + video vs literate programming notes exported as a blog post + tends to lean more towards words. I like videos for quick + workflow demonstrations. +- Q: What do you think about "silent coding videos"? I'm not a + native speaker and conscious of my accent/voice & I really prefer + recording "silent hacking" videos now. + - A: Gopar: Awesome! The beauty of the interwebs is that there is + always a group of people that like/learn/prefer the same way you + do. You can cater to these people :) Also whats stopping from + creating content in your native language? (German is ugly :-) & + I live in US) I would also encourage that! More Emacs videos in + multiple languages :) Good point. +- Q: Does anyone know what happened to the emacs-elements YT channel? + The style and cadance were quite different to a lot of the other + Emacs video content online, and I found it to be a fantastic + reference. It's a shame it seems to have disappeared :( + - sachac: I confirmed with him that it was his decision (not a + hack); he didn't provide details, so we'll respect his privacy + thanks, totally understand! + - audience: a pity. i enjoyed his YTs too. + - gs-101: A bit unrelated, but there's also this creator who made + one video on Emacs and then disappered too: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRpHIa-2XCE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRpHIa-2XCE){rel="noreferrer noopener"}. + This is his first video but it just show so much experience\... + - Related: Are there any Emacs AI channels yet? (Emacs advice + channel created by AI) + - sachac: there are occasionally low-effort videos that read + through Stack Overflow answers, but\... \<shrug\> + - audience: I don't see any value in these type of generated + "AI"-vids. Have you seen/heard NotebookLM podcasts? Not + vid but often surprisingly well made and insightful + (function of the sources fed to it) - essentially a + conversation between two AIs. I'm not aware of this + podcast, but will give it a try. Thx. [https://notebooklm.google.com/?pli=1](https://notebooklm.google.com/?pli=1){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + Recommended e.g. for literature reviews or to summarize + "jagged" content (always regression to the mean, of course + but that's the AI curse). + - A: +- Q: Just discovered that I had already subscribed to \@goparism! But + your last video 3 months ago\...? + - A: Gopar: Ah yes, sadly life does come up and other priorities + take place. I plan on recording more thanks to the holidays + coming up :) + - audience: Txs Keep at it, love your stuff +- Q: Do you have any recommendations on where to find good advice on + lighting for the camera? + - A: Gopar: Sorry, not sure. I never looked into lighting. I + don't use any lighting besides what comes through my window :) + - audience: it looks great! I thought you'd refined it. I + live in a very dark place :D + - gs-101: The free lighting setup strat. +- Q:\<\[\> Why youtube and not peertube? + - A: Gopar: I wasn't aware of peertube until emacsconf :0 (I will + proabbly look into it) + - audience: I guess some people want to make money? AFAIK, + peertube does not pay people for making videos. + - sachac: Also audience/discovery is pretty low + - \<robin\> (i'd guess a lot of people neglect this side of + things since it's almost inevitably tied into surveillance + capitalism etc.) + - A good question to ask is the goal to reach people, + specifaly people who are not as used to emacs or make a + workflow that is entirly floss but reaches far less people. + I think the way Emacs Conf does it is pretty good using + floss primarly for an Emacs Crowd and later hosting the + videos in addition to hosting them on youtube for the people + their to later discover + - \<robin\> (but the big proprietary platforms have an almost + absolute monopoly on the requisite platforms, in effect, + outside of almost-mainstream things like the fediverse) + - audience: Maybe it would be cool to setup some kind of ring + or collective for content producers who are in some way + related to the Emacs community? So that Peertube et al can + be a more viable place to stream to? + - sachac: let me know when you post something and I can add it + to Emacs News (Mastodon \@sacha@social.sachachua.com or + e-mail sacha@sachachua.com) You pushing Mastodon over X? You + still seem to be at X.com/@sachac + - \<lh\> \[: if you want to introduce people to emacs via your + content, a peertube-only strategy is not very pragmatic. but + syndicating to both is always good! + - \<karthik\`\> Where are peertube videos hosted? Doesn't + video hosting get expensive very quickly as you scale? + - \<lh\> they are hosted on the instance where the account + lives, so yes, typically instances are relatively small + - audience: Some content creators mirror their YTs to Odysee. + Whenever I come across a YT channel, I check on Odysee, + which I prefer to watch videos on. No ads interruption, + afaik. + - gs-101: I also prefer to watch on Odysee, but the + comments can get a bit, you know\... hateful of certain + groups. Maybe I'm in the wrong communities. Yes, I + noticed such comments. I tend to not pay unnecessary + attention to comments of these type. Difficult. If there + is a choice between free speech and censorship, I lean + towards the free speech first. It does not excuse stupid + comments of course. Agreed. + - \<robin\> gopar, i hope my digressive side-comments didn't + come off as negative, they're just concerns that come with + the territory, as if only microsoft were able to host + software manuals :p i'm definitely going to be watching + your talk a few times over + - \<gopar\> robin: ah no worries. Didn't really take them + that way. Appreciate reaching out to say that though :) + +- Q: Does using tools like yt-dlp / invidious hurt or impact the + content creator's traction on the platform? + - A: Gopar: Technically it would since its not displaying 'ads' + but the amount of \$\$ lost is so small it's not really an + issue. Personally do not mind if people do that, rather have + people learning and sharing :) + - audience: So views are still counted and will allow for the + video to be suggested to others regardless of usage? That has + been a thought running through my head in the past. TY for your + talk :) + - Gopar: Not completely sure, it all depends on how youtube + handles things on their side. + - audience: I'd be fine with running any clips on YT in some sort + of unattended mode (so it does "benefit" YT creators) while in + reality I watch myself them - if available - on another platform + :) As far as your channel, I'm having not much of an issue with + watching them on YT of course. + - Gopar: Ah, don't worry about "gaming" the system, if the + content is good, it will get viewers eventually :) + +- Q: Emacs promotion as a topic is kind of an infinitely wide + umbrella. You don't think that there should be a vague consensus on + the direction emacsformational content? + - A: I don't think, I mean I started my YT channel b/c I wanted + to talk about Emacs from my perspective and talk about things + that were interesting to me :) Telling Emacs creators to + "focus" on a specific topic, I believe would be a net negative + since it might discourage videos created b/c they dont revolve + around the topic. Plus a "consensus" is already kinda made via + things like EmacsConf I guess? :) + +- Q: How might creators collaborate to promote each other's content? + In other content I notice lots of cross-collaboration on content to + introduce viewers to the wider ecosystem of creators on the + platform, but I haven't witnessed much of that with Emacs creators + - A: Gopar: Personally, i've linked to other creators channels + but I think the "cross polination" of channels is largely due + to the channel owners themselves talking about it between them. + I haven't talked to any other emacs channels about doing such a + thing (yet.. :)) But I don't mind sharing links to ther + channels. I much perfer Emacs as a whole to grow, than to try to + be greedy with very little to gain. Thanks :) + +## Notes + +- Want to focus and highlight excerpts of buffers for videos and stuff? +Master of Ceremonies coming to M/ELPA soon. [https://github.com/positron-solutions/moc](https://github.com/positron-solutions/moc){rel="noreferrer noopener"} It was born to be used with Dslide. Psionic wuz here (probably asleep on azn time)\ +- I shared the link/information to this conference/talk with my + students yesterday! +- I mostly do this for my students - + [https://www.youtube.com/@LiterateProgramming](https://www.youtube.com/@LiterateProgramming){rel="noreferrer noopener"} +- Been embracing impostor syndrome for decades & it never gets better + :-( + - \<lounge-548\> jreicher: I agree!! +- \<jreicher\> It's great having a talk like this in the conference. +- \<robin\> i was a little skeptical about this talk due to the title, + but this really is great information if one is going to be doing + remote conference presentations or whatever +- \<robin\> i'm used to group video chat, unsurprisingly, but + there's just so much more to know (and, um, equipment to own) when + it comes to preparing something that's not solely going to be + watched in real-time +- \<\[\> OBS unfortunately requires an OpenGL version newer than 2.1, + so won't run on a ThinkPad X200 + - \<screwlisp\> Just use ffmpeg with x11grab. It works everywhere + basically. + - \<sachac\> \[: I sometimes use simplescreenrecorder (love it) + - \<sachac\> I think that worked on my X230 +- \<sachac\> I like using Emacs to edit my audio. + [https://sachachua.com/blog/2024/10/yay-emacs-tweaking-my-video-workflow-with-whisperx-and-subed-record/](https://sachachua.com/blog/2024/10/yay-emacs-tweaking-my-video-workflow-with-whisperx-and-subed-record/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - \<karthik\> sachac: Your whole A/V workflow is pretty crazy. + Subed with waveforms in Emacs, WhisperX\... +- \[re: DaVinci Resolve\] \<pkal\> kdenlive or pitivi is a nice free + as in freedom alternatives that are worth mentioning + - \<MetroWind\> I've used Blender to do video editing. It worked + - \<robin\> i used kdenlive, the UI is very straightforward + for clipping out bits of unwanted video and similar. i've + heard blender's video editor is great but my partner told + me to just "find a youtube tutorial" (instead of showing + how it works) and there's a lot of junk out there, at least + wrt my simple use cases +- \<robin\> i have no interest in making revenue from videos but this + sort of information is critical if one wants to maintain a + high-profile free software project that can sustain itself + financially (a lesson i learned from a lot of time working at coops + and nonprofits) +- \<lounge-081\> karthik\`: speaking of videos, yours are truly + fantastic - the only issue is that there isn't more of them :) +- \<MetroWind\> Also having a good mic does help with voice quality. I + used a basic condenser mic and I found it to be vastly better than + the snowball +- Just a thanks to the organizers: I only EVER use etherpad during + EmacsConf and then I forget what an awesome tool it is. Gotta + reconnect with those abandoned memory cells\... +- \<corwin\> 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 +- \<jkm\> 👏👏👏 +- \* gs-101 claps +- \<lounge-323\> 👏 +- \* inkpotmonkey 👏 +- \* karthik\` 👏 +- \<Ez3\> 👏 +- \<screwlisp\> 👏 +- \<plattfot\> 👏 +- \<robin\> 👏 \[15:43\] +- \<ElephantErgo\> 👏 +- \<johnhamelink\> 👏👏👏👏 +- \<screwlisp\> Gopar, come on the lispy gopher climate sometime +- Apsopos "negative comments": Lotsa bot commenters on YouTube. + Student of mine programmed one in class, almost trivial to do, + despite attempts to stop it. +- \<plattfot\> One editing tip regarding pauses, you should be able to + see them by viewing the audio waveform. Might be quicker than + watching the whole take in 2x. + - \<@sachac\> plattfot: that's what I do too! I also use "oops" + to remind me to go back and edit things + - \<@sachac\> plattfot: I have some Elisp that scans backward for + the previous instance of the words that I say after the oops + - \<karthik\`\> sachac: "elisp to scan backward for oops": this + is what I meant by your A/V setup being crazy + - \<@sachac\> karthik\`: well it only makes sense\... what I + really want is something that can string-distance approximate + matches + - \<@sachac\> karthik\`: like, + [https://github.com/stevenwaterman/narration.studio](https://github.com/stevenwaterman/narration.studio){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + is a cool approach too + - \<@sachac\> karthik\`: that shows this segment and the next + segment, and if you move on to the next segment, it knows that + the first segment is okay + - \<lounge-081\> sachac: Indeed, your personal infrastructure for + these things is a sight to behold, hehe + - \<karthik\`\> sachac: I'm watching your quest to treat video as + searchable text closely! + - \<karthik\`\> In general you're trying to do with audio/video + what we do with text in Emacs. This is a thing that should + exist but doesn't yet. + - \<lounge-081\> karthik\`: that's a great framework, the + paradigm and capabilities of Emacs generalized to modalities + beyond text (A/V) + - \<plattfot\> sachac: that's impressive, never got that far in + my video editing quest 😅 + - \<karthik\`\> sachac: From reading your blog posts it looks like + you're almost there already (treating audio like text). I + haven't tried anything except subed.el with a connected mpv + instance, and that alone was the best sub editing experience + I've ever had. +- \<pkal\> this presentation made me think about streaming + package-code reviews for ELPA on peertube\... + - \<@sachac\> pkal: yes! +- \<lh\> karthik\`: +1 to the request for more unstructured videos + like the notmuch one, in fact I would prefer a raw, unnarrated + stream to see how you typically navigate (e.g. avy usage) without + half your brain dedicated to walking through the process! + - \<karthik\`\> lh: Interesting. Sounds like the kind of thing + that works better as a livestream + - \<lounge-081\> karthik\`: re \@lh's comment, myself I'm quite + curious as to how you became so intimately knowledgeable and + proficient with sometime arcane internals so fast +- \<robin\> sachac, i was honestly pretty amazed by the subtitling + process for emacsconf + - \<robin\> my subtitles were added at most a few hours before + streaming :O + - \<robin\> i was fully expecting to have to stream the video over + bbb w/o subtitles or something along those lines + - \<@sachac\> robin: we're getting better and better at it. + =) In previous years, subtitling last-minute presentations + was done by taking advantage of a volunteer's brother's + fancy-schmancy gaming computer, but now that we use whisperx + and I've upgraded to a Lenovo P52 (from an older X230T), I + can run the whisperx myself for last-minute submissions +- \<corwin\> I'd be interesting in helping organize or just rabble + rouse for some Emacs themed livestreaming group project, if such a + thing happened. I think AP made some noises several conferences ago + about this being a generally good thing for "somebody" to work on + :) + [[!inline pages="internal(2024/info/sharing-after)" raw="yes"]] |