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diff --git a/2024/talks/blee.md b/2024/talks/blee.md index 971c2af0..7bfa12a2 100644 --- a/2024/talks/blee.md +++ b/2024/talks/blee.md @@ -117,21 +117,162 @@ BISOS, ByStar, and the model and the concept of Libre-Halaal Polyexistentials. About the speaker: -Mohsen Banan is a software and internet engineer. -In this talk he describes how he has leveraged -Emacs as an integration platform to create a -comprehensive integrated usage environment. In his -recent book "Nature of Polyexistentials", he -introduces the Libre-Halaal ByStar Digital -Ecosystem. Both in the book and this talk, he -outlines a blueprint and presents initial -implementations for BISOS (By\* Internet Services -OS) and Blee (ByStar Libre Emacs Environment). -Central to his presentation is the positioning of -Emacs, as the core of Blee. +Mohsen Banan is a software and internet engineer. He was one of the principal +architects of the Cellular Digital Packet Data (CDPD) network specifications. He +is the primary author of two Internet RFCs. He is the principal architect of the +ByStar Digital Ecosystem and BISOS and Blee. The software and internet services +that he publicly offers all conform to the definition of Libre-Halaal Software +and Libre-Halaal Internet Services. All of his public writings are web published +and unrestricted. He has never applied for a patent. As an expert witness he has +assisted in legal efforts involving invalidation of a number of patents. He has +been using Emacs since 1986. Previous Talks: <https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/bidi> and <https://emacsconf.org/2022/talks/mail> + +# Discussion + +## Questions and answers + +- Q: You mentioned that there's two editions: one aimed at + westerners, and one for worldwide readers. I'm from Brazil, which + edition would you recommend? It's a western country, but you + didn't make the distinction exclusive for the second edition, so I + thought it would be better to ask. + - A: For everybody listening to this conference, the + **international** edition is the right choice. + - It features more aggressive stances against intellectual property + (being linked specifically to the American culture) + - There are pieces in the book where the typical American audience + might be offended + - ...But if your skin is thick enough to deal with reasonable + criticism, the international edition is for you. +- Q:Thank you for this talk! How does your perspective interface with + works such as Yanis Varoufakis' Technofeudalism? + - A: Not familiar with the book. + - There is a lot of global growth and collective understanding + towards the notion that the direction we're headed in (i.e. + American digital ecosystems) is dangerous. + - We should revisit the entirety of the strategy. + - \[For the questioner\] Can you clarify? (I'll write to you :) ) +- Q:To what extent do you agree that the introduction of proprietary + systems in education creates an environment for exploitation while + at the same time diluting the learning value of the curriculum? My + computing education at school amounted to learning how to use the MS + Office suite - ie, the opposite of lasting, open knowledge. + - A: The idea is that teaching and learning should be + unrestricted, such as the Muslim/Iranian saying: "Passing along + the learning is the tax on having learnt". + [ The "tax" on knowledge is sharing it with others. زكات علم، آموختن آن به ديگران است. ] +- Q:As a specific example of how "ownership is not clean", look at the + Star Trek Picard series: they continuously asked Patrick Stewart to + come do another Star Trek series but he wouldn't because Star Trek + changed from what it used to be, at least until it they came up with + a series that honored what Star Trek used to be. Does this + intersect? + - A: Not sure if I fully get the point. + - On my criticism of the FOSS movement: + - The idea is that we have jumped on the FOSS movement and + recognized it as an alternative, but we haven't looked + deeply enough to see if our own philosophy and movement have + problems. + - The problems that I note is that the FOSS movement does not + recognize clearly and explictly that the entirity of the + intellectual property system is flawed. + - It's only now that we are seeing the FOSS movement is + broader than the Western world. + - The labels of Free Software and Open Source are not + necessarily correct. + - We are not paying enough attention to establishing + relationship with society. + - There's a whole chapter in the book dedicated to this topic. + - \[To the questioner\] Clarification please + - The point of the question was even though a media company + owned Star Trek they couldn't do what they wanted with the + series if you involve other people. The question was also + open ended so you did answer it by taking it where you + wanted it to go. +- Q: I am involved in Politics in my country, my party is very + sympathetic to FOSS ideals and I've been pushing for better policy + with regards to public procurement. Do you have any recommended + reading materials designed for such an audience? + - A: The idea is that my own book would be an excellent resource. I'd say the bibliography in the book contains various other pointers that could be quite useful. +- Q: How can we promote a culture of more active thought with regard to + the societal impacts of ethical and philosphical choices made in the + wider FOSS community? + - A: + +## Notes + +- Am I too young to understand? Maybe I need to read the book + - Aah I get it!! IPR forces single ownership of what are + polyexistentials +- From YouTube: gnome is not halal. gnome is western + - Did he elaborate on how GNOME is haram by his + definition? Oh, sorry, nevermind, the quote on GNOME isn't from + the speaker. +- interesting. and - obviously - radical thoughts. not sure + about if Americanism critique is the core, but moreover a general + critique of (extreme) capitalism mechanism. but that's certainly + not merely a "Western" issue. imo +- Okay, I have to admit, I love this + political/philosophical dissection of software's impact on + society. Very interesting. + - It's like an extension of the GNU (free software) + thought. I think I need more literature on that topic\... + - Essentially a free, open-source and + privacy-respecting ecosystem akin to those provided by the big + tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Apple). +- Great talk on Polyexistentials. Awesome to see + EmacsConf including international voices . +- He hit the nail on the head: This point has been on + my mind: Capitalism creates artificial scarcity and then + manufactures junk to fill it. How can that be overcome? So that we + get software that is actually needed \... + - I don't know if this is a problem + with Capitalism which can be many things to different people to + the point the term might not mean much. I have a problem with + people competing through corrosion rather than compition. For + example google is restricting access to google drive api making + everybodys app but googles worse. Capitilism "not fake + Capitalism" predospes a free market which would limit this +- The blee panel actually is cool! +- Very thought-provoking talk! +- Dovetailing nicely / with other talks from EmacsConf 2024 + - Working **on** Emacs vs working **for** Emacs + - Peter mentioned "too much choice" + - Mixing org-mode with programming languages + - org-babel has successfully integrated org-mode with all + kinds of languages + - Has happened within the context of literature programming + - cf. Literate Programming for the 21st Century (EmacsConf + 2024) + - Traditional programming mixed with org-mode + - polymode is key to that +- Several concepts which were introduced like "dynamic blocks + everywhere" and "COMEEGA" would probably require other talks +- Probably my favourite talk of the event +- Wonderful talk! +- This presentation gets better and better. +- going to go checkout the book later as half way + thorugh the talk i got term overload +- Great talk, great software. +- Thank you for the presentation Mohsen. +- while this heavy topic is certainly a major critique of + capitalism as such, i certainly would not mix in here any sort of + religion-related things. hence leveraging "Halaal" for this is + quite disturbing. +- I skipped the whole thing because I suspected it would just annoy me for no other reason than that one term. (Maybe this was excessively prejudicial of me, but seriously, not my religion, I suspect I'd be unwelcome.) (maybe this is an English-specific thing, Do Not Mention Religion, because last time we mentioned it we had centuries of religious wars.) +- Mohsen's response to the above two bullets. + Halaal is a very sensitive and potent word. + There is an entire chapter titled: "Introducing Halaal and Haraam into Globish" in the book. + In those 10 pages, I clarify that my use of Halaal is philosphical not religious. + Unfortunately the equivalent word for halaal does not exist in English. + Americanists, should first try to understand what halaal really means. +- Hard topic, it feels like we are in an era of closing open-source software, eg redhat + +- YouTube comment: Phenomenal thinking. I will be reading the Nature of Polyexistentials +- YouTube comment: Dude was cooking with this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥 [[!inline pages="internal(2024/info/blee-after)" raw="yes"]] |