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diff --git a/2024/info/blee-after.md b/2024/info/blee-after.md index 3ede5348..9f124e0e 100644 --- a/2024/info/blee-after.md +++ b/2024/info/blee-after.md @@ -806,7 +806,183 @@ Captioner: mohsen -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee%3A%20About%20Blee%3A%20enveloping%20our%20own%20autonomy%20directed%20digital%20ecosystem%20with%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="blee-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Thank you for the talk. I mean, it was a fairly long one and we""" start="00:00:00.983" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""had two very distinct parts, one which dealt with a""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""philosophy of LibreLL software and then the application,""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""obviously, of PySAS. So thank you so much for the""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation. Before we get started with the question, and""" start="00:00:13.270" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the record, we have about 14 minutes of question time, is""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there anything that you'd like to add on top of your""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation, something that perhaps would not have fit in""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the actual presentation format? Sure, but prior to that,""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""félicitations à tous les Français pour le rouvrir de""" start="00:00:30.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notre-Dame. Thank you. I'll say thank you because I'm a""" start="00:00:30.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Francophone and I'm also French, but OK.""" start="00:00:41.404" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so a few things have come up in various other talks,""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that kind of EmacsConf 2024 talks, that kind of dovetail""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with what I was saying. One idea was Peter Prevost's""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""observation of working with Emacs versus working on Emacs.""" start="00:01:07.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm all for that. So the idea of BLEE is that""" start="00:01:20.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Others can package things, and we are seeing this in the form""" start="00:01:28.303" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of redistributions. There is Doom, there is Space Max, and""" start="00:01:28.303" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are seeing the evolution of Emacs into layers. So there is""" start="00:01:34.248" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the core Emacs, and there are layers on top of it. And Peter""" start="00:01:43.274" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also mentioned about too much choice, this notion of""" start="00:01:49.239" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not always too much choice is the right thing to have. And""" start="00:02:03.236" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packaging Emacs with a layer on top of Debian gives you a""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""platform and an environment where the choices are a lot""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""less. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that was one idea. The other idea or the other theme""" start="00:02:31.209" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""throughout the various talks that we saw was this concept of""" start="00:02:33.750" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mixing org mode with programming languages and What Babel""" start="00:02:33.750" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has done is two things. One is it has successfully""" start="00:02:53.191" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrated org mode with all kinds of languages. And that""" start="00:02:56.733" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has happened in the context of literate programming. Um, so""" start="00:03:06.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a talk coming after mine is literate programming for the""" start="00:03:11.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""21st century, mixing org mode with program languages. And""" start="00:03:11.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I am saying is that there is an alternative and that's""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great, but we should also, uh, consider a traditional""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming mixed with org mode and, um, Polymode is key to""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. So those were some of the key concepts that I saw a""" start="00:03:38.803" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""resonance with as the conference went forward. Yeah, and I""" start="00:03:41.645" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think, if my memory serves me right, we have another talk""" start="00:03:54.485" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about hyperbole this year, right after this Q&A session.""" start="00:03:54.485" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And hyperbole, it's not Org Mode, but I'm not sure if you're""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""familiar with it, Mohsen, you might have seen it from""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""various talks last year, but it also tends to have a similar""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stance than you, with the fact that text should be embedded""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in programming languages rather than having Org Mode""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implement, I mean, integrate other languages. And I found""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it funny that we have your talk and this talk which are about""" start="00:04:24.649" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the other direction, which I find very resonating as well.""" start="00:04:24.649" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, right, right. So in terms of other things that did not""" start="00:04:33.091" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fit into my talk is that the several concepts that I""" start="00:04:35.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""introduced, namely""" start="00:04:35.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dynamic blocks everywhere and Comiga.""" start="00:04:52.370" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd be happy to expand on those by sharing your screen in due""" start="00:05:00.835" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""course, whatever is appropriate. Sure, considering the""" start="00:05:00.835" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time that we have, we only have about 8 minutes 30 and we""" start="00:05:11.084" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""already have about four, five questions actually. I""" start="00:05:11.084" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suggest we perhaps leave the screen sharing until later if""" start="00:05:18.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people are interested. I mean this Q&A can last as long as you""" start="00:05:18.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want. That makes perfect sense. OK, cool. So how about we""" start="00:05:23.493" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""focus on the question now and starting with the first one.""" start="00:05:29.362" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You mentioned that there are two editions, one named at""" start="00:05:33.285" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Westerners and one for worldwide readers. I'm from Brazil.""" start="00:05:33.285" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which edition would you recommend? It's a Western country,""" start="00:05:40.170" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you didn't make the distinction exclusive for the""" start="00:05:41.751" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""second edition. So I thought it would be better to ask.""" start="00:05:41.751" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. So definitely, I would say for everybody who is on""" start="00:05:48.248" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this conference, the international edition is the right""" start="00:05:48.788" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""choice. In this book, I take some aggressive stance against""" start="00:05:48.788" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intellectual property and I link that specifically to the""" start="00:06:13.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""American culture. So there are pieces in the book where the""" start="00:06:13.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typical American audience may be offended. And if your skin""" start="00:06:21.496" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is thick enough to deal with what I consider reasonable""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""criticism, then the International Edition is definitely""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the better choice. Right. So yeah, I believe you also""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentioned it. Pretty much exactly the same thing in your""" start="00:06:52.100" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. So if you need to review, just watch the talk. And I""" start="00:06:55.463" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think Mohsen also provides extra information about this.""" start="00:06:59.966" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moving on to the second question. Thank you for this talk.""" start="00:07:03.970" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does your perspective interface with work such as Yanis""" start="00:07:07.352" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Varoufakis' Technofeudalism?""" start="00:07:07.352" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't read much of that. I think there is a whole lot of""" start="00:07:14.720" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""global growth and collective understanding towards this""" start="00:07:19.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notion that the direction we are headed in And by that, I mean""" start="00:07:19.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""American digital ecosystems""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are dangerous and that we should revisit""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the entirety of the model and strategy.""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If the person who asked the question has any additional""" start="00:08:03.561" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information, I'll be happy to hear it. Sure. We'll see if the""" start="00:08:03.561" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""person actually comes back to this. All right. In the""" start="00:08:15.313" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meantime, moving on to the next question. To what extent do""" start="00:08:19.654" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you agree that the introduction of proprietary systems in""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""education creates an environment for exploitation whilst""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time diluting the learning value of the""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""curriculum? My computing education at school amounted to""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learning how to use the Microsoft Office suite, i.e. the""" start="00:08:32.797" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""opposite of lasting open knowledge. Yeah, that's right on""" start="00:08:38.258" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the mark. That's right on the mark. So the idea is that""" start="00:08:41.846" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""teaching and learning should be unrestricted. In the""" start="00:08:44.768" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Muslim tradition and in Iranian tradition, we say that""" start="00:08:55.997" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""passing along the learning is the tax on having learned. So""" start="00:08:55.997" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""absolutely. I think it makes very little sense for the""" start="00:09:12.273" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proprietary Microsoft software to be used as part of""" start="00:09:15.474" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""education. So the question is right on the mark. Okay,""" start="00:09:15.474" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Let me just take a note of this. All right, moving on to""" start="00:09:33.396" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next question. As a specific example of how ownership is""" start="00:09:37.859" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not something clean, look at the Star Trek Picard series.""" start="00:09:40.320" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They continuously asked Patrick Stewart to come to do""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another Star Trek series, but he couldn't because Star Trek""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changed from what it used to be, at least until they came up""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a series that honored what Star Trek used to be. Does""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this intersect? Let me read this for a moment.""" start="00:09:57.832" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I am not sure I fully get the point, but. Let me make a""" start="00:10:22.192" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""point about my criticisms of the false movement""" start="00:10:29.281" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the presentation and in the book. The idea is that we have""" start="00:10:29.281" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jumped on the false movement and recognize it as an""" start="00:10:43.726" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""alternative But we haven't looked deeply enough to see if""" start="00:10:43.726" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our own philosophy and movement have problems. The""" start="00:10:57.033" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problems that I note is that The first movement does not""" start="00:11:07.645" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recognize clearly and explicitly that the entirety of the""" start="00:11:12.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intellectual property rights regime is flawed. The second""" start="00:11:12.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""piece is that it's only now that we are seeing the FOSS""" start="00:11:29.699" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""movement is broader than the Western world. The third""" start="00:11:29.699" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem is that the labels of free software and open source""" start="00:11:44.662" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are not necessarily correct. The fourth problem is that we""" start="00:11:44.662" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are not paying enough attention to establishing a""" start="00:11:58.574" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relationship with society.""" start="00:11:58.574" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a whole chapter in the book dedicated to this""" start="00:12:12.332" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""topic. What I'm not sure about is if I got the point of the""" start="00:12:12.332" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question correctly. So again, if the person who asked the""" start="00:12:18.194" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question could clarify, I'll be happy to further expand.""" start="00:12:25.896" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, considering the time, we only have about one minute to""" start="00:12:37.188" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ten seconds until we go. So what we're going to do, as we""" start="00:12:37.188" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually do, Morsen, is that we're going to move the stream""" start="00:12:41.772" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""onto the next talk. And if you want to take a little bit of time""" start="00:12:41.772" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this room to answer the question, I'm putting a link to the""" start="00:12:46.456" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad in the BBB chat so you can open it on your end. But as we are""" start="00:12:46.456" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still live for 15 more seconds, do you have any last words?""" start="00:12:55.484" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep up the good work. Those would be my last words, that the""" start="00:13:01.760" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""free software and the open source and Emacs are a very valid""" start="00:13:04.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""strategy for inside of IPR resistance. And thank you, Leo""" start="00:13:04.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Sasha and the rest of the folks for this wonderful yearly""" start="00:13:21.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""event. Well, thank you so much. And it's always a pleasure to""" start="00:13:21.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have you. And thank you for your thankings. So we'll be""" start="00:13:32.754" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moving to the next talk in 10 seconds. Mohsen, thank you so""" start="00:13:35.655" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much. And I'll see you later. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.""" start="00:13:37.717" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. We are off air. So thank you so much, Mohsen. I'll""" start="00:13:47.663" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to get moving to get ready for the next talk. So again,""" start="00:13:49.924" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to take the time you need to answer the questions.""" start="00:13:52.125" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to stop sharing my screen because I need to leave.""" start="00:13:54.827" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But take all the time you need. And when you're finished, you""" start="00:13:57.048" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can just leave the room. OK. All right, bye-bye. Thank you.""" start="00:13:58.529" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. I""" start="00:14:16.143" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see one more person in the room.""" start="00:14:17.184" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, John.""" start="00:14:27.472" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was looking at the questions.""" start="00:14:33.922" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To see if there is more that I can add. So.""" start="00:14:41.428" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the regard of societal impacts on ethical,""" start="00:14:52.206" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""philosophical and wider force community. I'm involved in""" start="00:14:52.206" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""politics in my country, my party is very sympathetic to""" start="00:14:57.671" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""force ideas and I have public Do you have any recommendation""" start="00:14:57.671" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reading materials designed for such an audience? Um,""" start="00:15:06.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, this is, uh, with regard to the, uh, last question""" start="00:15:12.003" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's on the etherpad at this moment. Um, so the idea is, um,""" start="00:15:12.003" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, uh, my own book would be an excellent resource. I'd""" start="00:15:20.928" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, um, And the bibliography in the book contains various""" start="00:15:32.094" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other pointers that could be quite useful.""" start="00:15:34.950" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm reading again.""" start="00:15:53.880" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:16:08.499" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very good. If there are no other questions,""" start="00:16:14.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I'm going to consider this a day and move on.""" start="00:16:15.665" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:16:38.237" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are currently the only person in this conference.""" start="00:16:46.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee%3A%20About%20Blee%3A%20enveloping%20our%20own%20autonomy%20directed%20digital%20ecosystem%20with%20Emacs) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/casual-after.md b/2024/info/casual-after.md index 24d64e34..7095221f 100644 --- a/2024/info/casual-after.md +++ b/2024/info/casual-after.md @@ -266,7 +266,321 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20casual%3A%20Re-imagining%20the%20Emacs%20user%20experience%20with%20Casual%20Suite) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="casual-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Leo? I'm doing well as well and I'm so happy to have seen your""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk because the interaction with Emacs is always""" start="00:00:05.240" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that I find very interesting, and stuff like""" start="00:00:10.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Transient, stuff like Hydra before, I think they really""" start="00:00:13.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improve the user experience of users, and I'm really glad""" start="00:00:18.840" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've seen you talk. Perhaps just starting with the""" start="00:00:22.120" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first question, do you have anything else that you'd like to""" start="00:00:24.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add on your talk? Because we are pretty stringent with the""" start="00:00:27.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amount of time that we give for talks, but is there anything""" start="00:00:30.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you would have liked to mention to people that you""" start="00:00:33.200" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""weren't able to fit into the talk? I think probably one of the""" start="00:00:35.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""design considerations I've done is that many of the""" start="00:00:42.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commands that I've exposed through my casual interfaces""" start="00:00:46.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have been in Emacs. They've been in there forever, but very""" start="00:00:49.360" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""few people uh, myself included really know that they're""" start="00:00:56.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there, uh, because they're just not discoverable through,""" start="00:01:00.440" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, basically the existing mechanisms, you know, prior to""" start="00:01:06.000" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transient and which key to, to even know that those, those""" start="00:01:09.560" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functions are there. Yeah. So I think I'm going to start""" start="00:01:13.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asking you questions whilst people start writing them in a""" start="00:01:19.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad. But yeah, I also think that discoverability is a very""" start="00:01:21.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""huge point that having stuff like the stuff that you've""" start="00:01:25.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""showed today actually allows. One example that I'd like to""" start="00:01:29.560" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""give that many people tend to forget, and you've already""" start="00:01:32.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentioned it in your presentation, is that I've learned so""" start="00:01:35.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much about using git in general thanks to maggots for the""" start="00:01:39.560" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reason that it shows you so many options that you might not be""" start="00:01:43.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""aware of for instance like i like to really think about when""" start="00:01:46.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you think about logging in git maggots allows you to""" start="00:01:50.800" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discover so many of the finer options like oh I only want to""" start="00:01:54.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see the first comet since the merge or oh I only want to""" start="00:01:58.120" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consider this subsection of comets going from master or""" start="00:02:01.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""main to the point of your branch. So many things like this""" start="00:02:06.000" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you get to discover thanks to Transient. So do you have""" start="00:02:09.000" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any similar experience on your end? Uh, oh yeah, uh, far too""" start="00:02:11.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""many. Uh, I think, uh, particularly with EditKit, uh, you""" start="00:02:16.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know, having access to these commands, uh, um,""" start="00:02:22.360" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly with different granularity on, like, uh, S""" start="00:02:28.280" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expressions, sentences, words, uh, probably the most""" start="00:02:31.960" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""surprising thing I found was just how How compelling the S""" start="00:02:37.320" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expression would be as a unit of text for working with. I""" start="00:02:43.360" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""found that in most contexts, or in many places, it did what I""" start="00:02:49.160" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wanted. I found that to be very surprising.""" start="00:02:54.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So unless you've got anything else to add, I think we can just""" start="00:03:02.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jump into questions. Okay, certainly. I'll be reading them""" start="00:03:06.160" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you so that it's easier for you. So the first question is,""" start="00:03:10.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wonder whether casual can only be used with the packages""" start="00:03:13.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you mentioned or whether it can be used with whatever""" start="00:03:17.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages you like. I think it's really the latter. I'm not""" start="00:03:19.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite sure what the... What the question was really""" start="00:03:25.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pointing at, you know, is the question asking for why I chose""" start="00:03:29.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the packages or the different modes that I did? Or is it, are""" start="00:03:35.040" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they looking at it from a developer perspective of, can we""" start="00:03:41.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrate casual with other packages? I mean, since we've""" start="00:03:45.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got a little bit of time ahead of us, feel free to answer both""" start="00:03:50.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. Um, I think the answer is, uh. Well, for the 1st,""" start="00:03:52.840" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1, I've, I've generally tried to stick with using. The modes""" start="00:03:59.280" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are already packaged in, um, and so there was a. A big""" start="00:04:05.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""refactoring of it where. Initially, I made separate repos""" start="00:04:11.040" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the different modes that I supported. And then through a""" start="00:04:16.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discussion, which I won't go into here, that got changed""" start="00:04:20.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I consolidated all of the different transient menus""" start="00:04:24.960" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for modes that are built in for behavior that's built into""" start="00:04:30.240" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs. I put that into a single package called casual.""" start="00:04:35.040" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then integrations with other third party packages that""" start="00:04:39.200" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are not built in were given the same standalone repo here. In""" start="00:04:44.800" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""terms of folks wanting to integrate that, it's the beauty of""" start="00:04:49.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""open source. They can get the repo and uh, and basically""" start="00:04:55.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""study that the code base, uh, actually, if they even install""" start="00:05:01.160" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it through, uh, you know, the package manager in this case,""" start="00:05:05.200" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, coming from the Melbourne distribution, um, they can""" start="00:05:08.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inspect that code and, and, um, make modifications or even.""" start="00:05:12.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, you know, integrate that with their other packages and,""" start="00:05:17.920" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, do that to their heart's content. Um, I think one of the""" start="00:05:21.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things that I need to, or at least, uh, you know, that I, I, I""" start="00:05:25.280" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""planned on sort of elaborating further on in the""" start="00:05:29.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documentation is, is that transient already has built in""" start="00:05:32.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mechanisms for modifying an existing transient. So you can""" start="00:05:36.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add commands or, uh, re redefine the bindings. And so. That""" start="00:05:41.280" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mechanism is available for users if they're not happy with""" start="00:05:47.280" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those bindings or they want to add their own commands to a""" start="00:05:51.960" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""menu. Yeah, and people are... I'm personally familiar with""" start="00:05:57.160" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this, again, with Magit, because sometimes, even though""" start="00:06:01.960" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a lot of discoverability for functions that you may""" start="00:06:05.120" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not know, sometimes you also happen to realize that""" start="00:06:07.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something is missing in the list of available options. I'm""" start="00:06:10.360" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not sure if Casual actually supports something similar to""" start="00:06:14.000" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Magit, which is levels of options being displayed.""" start="00:06:16.920" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I'm not sure if it's transient native or if it's""" start="00:06:21.560" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just something that Magit adds over this. No, transient""" start="00:06:24.040" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supports levels. I've decided""" start="00:06:27.440" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in large part, I've tried to avoid that just to avoid the""" start="00:06:30.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""added complexity of trying to define those levels. Yeah, I""" start="00:06:36.800" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was going to say that perhaps it doesn't gel very well with""" start="00:06:43.120" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the notion of casualness that you seem to be introducing the""" start="00:06:47.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package. On one end, you've got something that is supposed""" start="00:06:49.840" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be very casual, very easy to use, and on the other end, you""" start="00:06:52.440" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add levels for stuff that is fairly advanced. So advanced""" start="00:06:56.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versus casual, kind of makes sense that you check this over.""" start="00:06:59.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright, moving to the second question which is related to""" start="00:07:05.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the previous one. Are there any patterns emerging such that""" start="00:07:09.360" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be impossible, sorry, such that it would be""" start="00:07:13.160" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible to once systematize and to automate the mapping of""" start="00:07:15.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode commands to keyboard-driven menus, possibly even""" start="00:07:19.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have an auto-casual wrapper for an uncovered mode? Does it""" start="00:07:23.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sense to you? Yes, and I've gotten these comments from a""" start="00:07:26.560" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""number of different folks who really want to see some sort""" start="00:07:35.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of design rule to, or basically, what is it? Some sort of""" start="00:07:42.800" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""design system to be able to generate the UI.""" start="00:07:49.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Conceptually, I think it's doable, but on the flip side, it""" start="00:07:54.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just requires so much coordination that it makes it really""" start="00:08:01.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""untenable. In this case, I have very strong opinions. I""" start="00:08:05.320" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think we're better off trying to handcraft the user""" start="00:08:11.200" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interface to get basically the best user experience. To try""" start="00:08:15.720" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to emulate that with a design system, good luck, but I'm not""" start="00:08:20.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not interested in working on that. Right, yeah. I think""" start="00:08:26.400" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I try to think a little more about this, it feels like""" start="00:08:31.520" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a notion of intention that is very important when""" start="00:08:34.120" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are designing UI and UX. And to have this intention, it""" start="00:08:36.560" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feels like you cannot just base yourself of a design idea to""" start="00:08:41.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize the options. You cannot just work off a pattern. I""" start="00:08:45.320" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think you need to have the trace of human understanding in""" start="00:08:48.800" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""order to have a UX that really works. And judging by the""" start="00:08:53.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""option that you've picked in the demos that you've showed""" start="00:08:56.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""today, I don't think it'd be particularly easy to organize""" start="00:08:59.000" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them in a UX just casually for any mode. I think you need some""" start="00:09:04.040" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""human introspection to understand this, if that makes""" start="00:09:07.960" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sense.""" start="00:09:14.160" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moving to the next question, which is related to something""" start="00:09:14.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we discussed about with Magit. Does Casual have a log where""" start="00:09:17.280" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see what commands were invoked? This is always""" start="00:09:21.080" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""available via MetaXView Lossage or via the Common Log mode,""" start="00:09:23.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm wondering if it can do for Emacs command what Magit""" start="00:09:27.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Process Buffer does for learning Git commands. And for""" start="00:09:31.320" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone who's currently in Emacs, whenever you're""" start="00:09:34.480" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running a command in Magit, it's always printing the exact""" start="00:09:37.440" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""command that was run in a shell, inside this dollar sign""" start="00:09:40.640" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""menu. 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I""" start="00:10:47.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think it's refreshing to be able to go back to something that""" start="00:10:52.440" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looks like Emacs after iOS.""" start="00:10:55.200" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, that's perhaps another longer conversation there.""" start="00:10:56.840" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Speaking of longer conversation, we have only about 10""" start="00:11:03.880" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes left until we need to move on to the next talk. But""" start="00:11:08.600" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you everyone for all the questions you're asking. 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I'll need to get going,""" start="00:21:58.680" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we might have a problem with the next talk. So thank""" start="00:22:01.200" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so much, Charles. Certainly. Take care. Thank you.""" start="00:22:02.760" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate it. Bye.""" start="00:22:05.920" video="qanda-casual" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/emacs30-after.md b/2024/info/emacs30-after.md index d0631fa7..2deef373 100644 --- a/2024/info/emacs30-after.md +++ b/2024/info/emacs30-after.md @@ -465,7 +465,366 @@ Captioner: anush -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emacs30%3A%20Emacs%2030%20Highlights) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="emacs30-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Hi Philippe, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:04.751" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, did we lose Philippe? Is it bad luck or am I the only one not""" start="00:00:11.297" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""able to hear him?""" start="00:00:14.219" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Give us just a second, folks.""" start="00:00:19.624" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so I'm not sure what is happening now, folks. We had""" start="00:00:35.683" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Philip talking literally two seconds before we went live.""" start="00:00:37.804" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if it's the curse again, but I'm going to start""" start="00:00:40.766" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getting... It's here too, if it's anything. It's our BBB.""" start="00:00:40.766" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, so we're going to be doing a little bit of jazz""" start="00:00:52.372" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""handing as usual. Hopefully, Philip will be able to join us""" start="00:00:52.372" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again fairly quickly.""" start="00:00:55.813" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll make sure for the jazz handing, Leo, it's the highlight""" start="00:01:05.546" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of my weekend. I'm glad the visible anguish and the stress""" start="00:01:05.546" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I feel during those moments is at least palatable to""" start="00:01:12.153" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some people watching. That's right. Although I understand""" start="00:01:12.153" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""among, you know, it is commonly seen as a poison among my""" start="00:01:21.842" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people, it is considered a delicacy.""" start="00:01:21.842" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so I see plenty of questions for Philip as well. So""" start="00:01:31.690" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully he is just a restart away from joining us. And""" start="00:01:33.672" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I feel bad if we don't get this sorted out because I for""" start="00:01:37.595" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one had a lovely chat, kind of in the green room, just doing""" start="00:01:37.595" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our tech shakedown, which went absolutely swimmingly. No""" start="00:01:37.595" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problems until we cut the stream over. Sorry, everyone.""" start="00:01:51.929" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and in the meantime, if you feel like getting your""" start="00:01:56.789" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions ready so that as soon as Philippe joins us, you'll""" start="00:01:56.789" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be able to quickfire through most of your questions. And I""" start="00:01:56.789" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""already see plenty of them. Thank you again to all the people""" start="00:02:05.805" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing down the questions.""" start="00:02:07.047" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And afterwards, well this was the last talk of the day, so""" start="00:02:21.472" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll be moving to the close for today. We won't be too long,""" start="00:02:21.472" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case you're a European like me and you need to go to""" start="00:02:27.618" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sleep. Don't worry, we'll keep you at most five minutes.""" start="00:02:27.618" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've just got a couple of quick bases we wanna hit, make sure""" start="00:02:35.017" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone's organized to plan their day for tomorrow. Thank""" start="00:02:35.017" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so much, those of you who are joining us live, as well as""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone who put so much time and effort before this""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""weekend, from Leo and my perspective, if you're watching""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this recorded. Yeah, thanks everybody for all your work""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming together to create this community project of Emacs""" start="00:02:56.393" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Conf. It's a ton of fun. All right, and Philippe, I believe""" start="00:02:56.393" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are back. Did you have a very momentous crash on your end?""" start="00:03:05.529" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I believe it was just in the right moments to...""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I'll do, I'll give you presenter again so that you...""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, do you have your screen set up or do you need to...""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe I shouldn't do presenter. I have the feeling that""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could have been related to the crash and I'll just...""" start="00:03:24.960" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""visually describe anything. Well, the camera looks great.""" start="00:03:31.004" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You sound great. And on the stream, my eyeball says it looks""" start="00:03:33.466" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great with Leo doing the streaming. So I say let's dive right""" start="00:03:34.827" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in. You got a long, huge line. And in order to be a little more""" start="00:03:40.392" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dialectical, I'll be reading the questions. So first""" start="00:03:44.936" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, which key was a third party package for a long""" start="00:03:48.699" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time? Is there work to bring any other popular packages into""" start="00:03:48.699" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the core of Emacs for Emacs 31 plus, like Magit or Council?""" start="00:03:52.783" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, right. 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So as long as he's doing""" start="00:13:25.327" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, there's going to be Windows support for one form or""" start="00:13:31.552" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another, or at least DOS. All right. And now you put a quarter""" start="00:13:31.552" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in me, so I'll jump right back in. That's perfect for where I""" start="00:13:40.601" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""guess I would take the question. To me, it's an""" start="00:13:44.065" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""accessibility issue. Think about it this way. Maybe that""" start="00:13:47.428" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Windows XP system is what someone can afford. 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All""" start="00:14:13.270" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of those situations are possible. Therefore, I tend to""" start="00:14:19.134" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""assume they all exist and when I ask, you know, how much It""" start="00:14:20.675" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""definitely is concerning when we hear about kind of black""" start="00:14:27.379" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""holes in the brain trust of something like support for the""" start="00:14:27.379" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Windows port. I feel like I've heard a lot of people""" start="00:14:27.379" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answering that call, but the importance of that is that it""" start="00:14:38.361" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't stop echoing, right? Free software goes as long as""" start="00:14:38.361" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are people that are irritated enough about something""" start="00:14:45.782" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to sort of come hack on it. Yeah. And the same applies to Mac""" start="00:14:45.782" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OS. But I don't know any concrete details about who's""" start="00:14:53.284" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently working on it. I can't recollect any details on""" start="00:14:56.462" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's currently working on what.""" start="00:14:59.864" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. 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If that seems true, please""" start="00:15:42.423" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""someone interrupt me before I make a fool of myself.""" start="00:15:46.906" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No one's done that yet.""" start="00:15:54.511" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think a couple of years ago there were chats and then we""" start="00:15:58.207" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deprecated the all contrib ELPA, but I think all the ELPA is""" start="00:15:58.207" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still alive. I didn't know that about that. 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But I've had thoughts around this""" start="00:17:46.073" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""space. Are you back, Leo? Yeah, sorry, I'm back. You save us""" start="00:17:52.219" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all. Maybe closing remarks. I was trying to clear my throat""" start="00:18:01.585" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be very inconspicuous about me coming back, but""" start="00:18:05.446" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""apparently I was ousted. 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Like""" start="00:18:11.827" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we were working with Org Element and stuff like this,""" start="00:18:25.090" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perhaps there were some elements of stability which""" start="00:18:27.970" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""weren't there quite yet, but usually now it's pretty""" start="00:18:27.970" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stable. 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You can follow whatever is""" start="00:18:51.130" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""published in your package archives or in your system""" start="00:18:55.433" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""distribution package manager. You can build it yourself if""" start="00:18:55.433" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you want to contribute and fix bugs, add features, and so on.""" start="00:19:04.836" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and I don't think perhaps a little more with Emacs,""" start="00:19:11.041" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the features that tends to get introduced in Emacs""" start="00:19:11.041" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are slightly more wild. Not wild in the sense that they are""" start="00:19:11.041" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""less stable, but wild in the sense that they tend to change a""" start="00:19:19.406" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lot more stuff. The core of Org, at least during Bastion's""" start="00:19:19.406" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintenance ship, was very stable when you think about it.""" start="00:19:24.910" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So things might change with Yor right now in terms of how he""" start="00:19:30.414" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wants to change some of the core behaviors, but it's usually""" start="00:19:30.414" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty stable. And whether you use the latest major""" start="00:19:30.414" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""version, the latest minor version, things are probably""" start="00:19:37.480" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be pretty stable. It's like you heard me while you""" start="00:19:37.480" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were offline. And I do agree with that, in case you might have""" start="00:19:43.985" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""heard both our remarks and think we're talking different""" start="00:19:46.427" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""angles. Actually, I think we would tend to agree on this, Leo""" start="00:19:46.427" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I. For the record, when I'm saying, oh, I have to go keep up""" start="00:19:52.553" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with org, that's because org grows behaviors that I've got""" start="00:19:57.237" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my own. I had to figure out at some point my own way to do it, and""" start="00:19:57.237" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now I'm learning how it's done, right? So I'm like, in my""" start="00:20:05.284" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""abstraction, blah, right? And those conversations""" start="00:20:09.628" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually end at, and somebody else took the time to figure out""" start="00:20:13.551" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to actually make Emacs do that. Go be quiet. And I do, and I""" start="00:20:13.551" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do consider that under Bastian's tenure, it has been quite""" start="00:20:20.197" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stable. We might notice the occasional like, oh, this""" start="00:20:20.197" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""highlights now and that didn't, right? But very often, very""" start="00:20:28.068" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""infrequently is it breaking my workflow as a user, any of it.""" start="00:20:32.634" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's interesting to me that this mirrors my experience with""" start="00:20:38.081" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs itself, where I think, in my perception, Emacs master""" start="00:20:38.081" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is very stable and I might notice the slight changes between""" start="00:20:38.081" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""git pulls. But otherwise, in my experience, org mode""" start="00:20:38.081" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suddenly changes something. I don't know what changed or""" start="00:20:51.830" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's going on or uh what caused it and it seemed and i i""" start="00:20:56.433" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perceive it as being a sudden uncontrolled change or""" start="00:21:00.050" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something and i think that's that's apt right that gets""" start="00:21:00.050" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right at it if if we're following if we're pulling for more""" start="00:21:00.050" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty regularly crime job every night or pulling a few""" start="00:21:00.050" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""times a day or something like that we're going to the""" start="00:21:00.050" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internals yeah, we'll have a different experience than,""" start="00:21:00.050" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, if we only remember to update org once every four""" start="00:21:19.930" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""months, it really pays to stick with everything. And""" start="00:21:19.930" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suddenly lots of things might change. Whatever broken my""" start="00:21:28.372" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""own config, right? And so a lot of, like a lot of things within""" start="00:21:30.933" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, but also within the free software tool chain, it's""" start="00:21:33.894" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much you're going to invent in the config, invest in the""" start="00:21:33.894" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""config, might limit you know, and maintaining your config""" start="00:21:33.894" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""may limit the depth of how far it makes sense for you to go with""" start="00:21:45.817" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the tool at any given point in time. Actually just looked up""" start="00:21:45.817" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my org config and it's four, I said four options, user""" start="00:21:54.440" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""options. So that's, if that's the measurements of org""" start="00:21:54.440" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expertise, that's my level, it's four.""" start="00:22:00.202" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all good then. Four of four, I'm assuming that is,""" start="00:22:08.725" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? Four of what? What was the metric there, four of like a""" start="00:22:10.065" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thousand? Four out of the number of user options that Word""" start="00:22:15.036" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provides. Oh, okay, I see. Four, yeah, more like 10,000. I'm""" start="00:22:18.357" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there. Yeah. All right. On that note, I suggest we move to""" start="00:22:27.801" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's close because it's fairly late for me and I need to""" start="00:22:30.722" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sleep. And Philip, I think it's pretty late for you as well,""" start="00:22:30.722" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't it? I'm in Germany, so it's about... So it is pretty""" start="00:22:34.824" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""late. It's the same time zone as me. It's 11 p.m. for you.""" start="00:22:38.005" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truly, yeah. Yeah, so I suggest we both take the chance to go""" start="00:22:44.452" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to bed as soon as we can. But Philippe, thank you so much for""" start="00:22:46.175" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both the presentation and also the answers that you""" start="00:22:51.837" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provided to us and the nice little chat we had at the end. We""" start="00:22:51.837" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look forward to seeing you again next year, perhaps for""" start="00:23:00.221" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 31. I'm not sure. I was chatting with Wassim Massa""" start="00:23:00.221" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to make prognostics about when Emacs 30 is going to be""" start="00:23:05.203" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""released. There's a pre-release coming soon. I should have""" start="00:23:05.203" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentioned that earlier. Well, there you go. Gone.""" start="00:23:13.986" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Well, thank you so much, Philip. We'll be moving""" start="00:23:22.938" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""towards close. Give us about two minutes to get set up in the""" start="00:23:24.779" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other room. And Philip, we'll see you next time. Goodbye.""" start="00:23:25.920" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye-bye. Thank you.""" start="00:23:32.603" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emacs30%3A%20Emacs%2030%20Highlights) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/guile-after.md b/2024/info/guile-after.md index 947345b5..d4814cc3 100644 --- a/2024/info/guile-after.md +++ b/2024/info/guile-after.md @@ -277,7 +277,245 @@ Captioner: sachac and robin -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [robin@terpri.org](mailto:robin@terpri.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20guile%3A%20Beguiling%20Emacs%3A%20Guile-Emacs%20relaunched%21) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="guile-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""All right. Hey, thanks for bearing with us there. We had a""" start="00:00:03.720" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""couple of bumps in the road, a cross between a couple of""" start="00:00:07.523" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different versions of our program that we deliver here,""" start="00:00:07.523" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different ways that we bring this stream together between""" start="00:00:07.523" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the recorded content that that speakers are putting""" start="00:00:07.523" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together in advance in the live content, such as what you're""" start="00:00:21.926" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seeing right here. So thanks, Scott, Sasha, and Leo, and""" start="00:00:21.926" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everybody behind the stages gluing it all together. And""" start="00:00:27.732" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're back here now, and I'm speaking with Robin, who us""" start="00:00:34.059" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ready to take on some of your questions and address some of""" start="00:00:39.978" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the comments over here on the etherpad. If you want to jump in""" start="00:00:39.978" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there, there's links in the chat. And thanks so much, Robin,""" start="00:00:45.900" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your talk. And it's also been a pleasure chatting with""" start="00:00:48.541" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just a little bit over the last couple of months on IRC.""" start="00:00:51.703" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, absolutely. Great meeting you.""" start="00:00:57.945" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. All right, everyone. I think I am streaming now.""" start="00:01:33.368" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's look at it. Let's see. I see the IRC scrolling. So""" start="00:01:37.730" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's see where that's going. Yes, the Common Lisp is what I""" start="00:01:42.213" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thought would piss people off. And because it's not part of""" start="00:01:45.595" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either community, but I think it would be a good compromise""" start="00:01:48.656" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for building a Lisp into a language that's more suitable for""" start="00:01:48.656" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""building large systems like the kind that we are building in""" start="00:01:48.656" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs today. I also left out an important part of the talk,""" start="00:01:48.656" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is part of the motivation for transitioning from C to""" start="00:02:04.075" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp. And that's the performance characteristics""" start="00:02:04.075" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fundamentally change when you get a modern and high""" start="00:02:12.040" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""performance Lisp system involved. it starts getting less""" start="00:02:12.040" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""practical to just call out to C to speed up every operation.""" start="00:02:22.146" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Among other things, you lose the ability to use more""" start="00:02:28.135" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""advanced control structures, like the limited""" start="00:02:28.135" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continuations. And you also have to pay the overhead of""" start="00:02:28.135" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""calling out to our foreign function. So it gets to be an""" start="00:02:36.933" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""increasingly better deal to optimize your list""" start="00:02:42.197" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementation and provide ways for building faster list""" start="00:02:42.197" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programs, such as type annotations, once you've gotten""" start="00:02:42.197" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over a certain threshold of performance.""" start="00:02:42.197" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to look at the pad. Here we go. The first question is""" start="00:03:01.471" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about fibers and whether they help with making ELISP""" start="00:03:05.832" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concurrent in terms of its data structures. Yes, that's""" start="00:03:05.832" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""absolutely correct. Fibers by themselves do not provide""" start="00:03:16.422" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thread safety for any of the existing Emacs data""" start="00:03:18.264" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""structures. What they are useful for is building things""" start="00:03:18.264" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that don't use Emacs data structures, say a network client""" start="00:03:32.183" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that reads input from a stream or in scheme, a port or a stream""" start="00:03:32.183" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of a buffer. And we can also take a look at options for""" start="00:03:32.183" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making more Emacs features concurrency safe or thread""" start="00:03:46.592" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""safe. For example, we could introduce the idea of a thread""" start="00:03:46.592" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""local buffer that didn't require locks for sharing between""" start="00:03:55.260" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different threads. And I'm not sure how that would develop,""" start="00:03:55.260" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm sure the Emacs maintainers already have some ideas""" start="00:04:06.609" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this direction. Fibers will basically provide a""" start="00:04:06.609" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""high-performance system that you can use apart from""" start="00:04:15.356" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ordinary Emacs-less constructs.""" start="00:04:15.356" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. We have another question. Emacs is roughly 25% C.""" start="00:04:28.066" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How much of Guile is in C?""" start="00:04:31.128" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, part of my point about C is not so much that there, well,""" start="00:04:39.392" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""obviously, I phrased it a little provocatively, but the""" start="00:04:39.392" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem is not so much that there is C, but that there is so""" start="00:04:39.392" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much C involved in every single layer of the application.""" start="00:04:39.392" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, we're limited in our ability to use tools""" start="00:05:00.796" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like limit continuations, which can be used to express""" start="00:05:00.796" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""buffer local variable binding in a few dozen lines, because""" start="00:05:00.796" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs has so much calling back and forth between guile and C,""" start="00:05:00.796" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to so much basic functionality being in primitive C""" start="00:05:00.796" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""subroutines. So that's one issue apart from the question of""" start="00:05:00.796" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much is in a particular language. To answer the question""" start="00:05:28.800" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Guile, Guile has about 165,000 lines of scheme code""" start="00:05:37.206" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and about 160,000 lines of C code, so it's about half and""" start="00:05:37.206" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""half. And that shouldn't really be surprising given that it""" start="00:05:37.206" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is actually focused on low-level things like building a""" start="00:05:52.494" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""high-performance bytecode compiler, and a just-in-time""" start="00:06:00.360" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compiler, and so on, as well as providing its own fairly""" start="00:06:00.360" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rich, but still far less complete than Emacs's standard""" start="00:06:00.360" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""library, in terms of Ice9 and other system libraries""" start="00:06:00.360" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shipped with Guile. The next question is on a Common Lisp""" start="00:06:00.360" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementation for Guile, and whether work on it is""" start="00:06:22.045" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""underway. In fact, work on it is already underway. I've been""" start="00:06:22.045" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working on it on and off in my spare time for a couple of years""" start="00:06:32.488" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now. I've gotten, I think, a couple of chapters of the""" start="00:06:32.488" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperspectin, if you want to measure it that way. But I've""" start="00:06:37.310" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been focusing my work more on research and on what we need to""" start="00:06:43.814" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do to have a LISP environment, a polyglot LISP environment,""" start="00:06:43.814" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wherein the features of Common Lisp and Scheme and Emacs""" start="00:06:57.481" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp can all work easily and ergonomically together. So""" start="00:06:57.481" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this involves things like the question of Lisps having""" start="00:07:08.306" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp1s versus Lisp2s. That is, a Lisp1-like scheme has one""" start="00:07:08.306" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""namespace, like every variable is a single name that can""" start="00:07:18.111" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""refer to one value, whereas in Lisp2s like EmacsLisp,""" start="00:07:27.088" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""symbols can have different definitions as functions and as""" start="00:07:27.088" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""variables, as well as other namespaces like property""" start="00:07:27.088" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lists. So Kent Pittman has some interesting thoughts on""" start="00:07:27.088" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this that I've been looking into. Another issue is the""" start="00:07:42.954" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interaction between package and module systems. So I don't""" start="00:07:49.917" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have really anything ready to publish just yet on this, but I""" start="00:07:56.216" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have been looking into the background issues of""" start="00:07:56.216" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrating this into Guile in a useful way.""" start="00:07:56.216" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's see, one other thing I was going to mention.""" start="00:08:11.543" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I've lost it. But yeah, there is some work already. And""" start="00:08:21.954" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if people are interested in moving Emacs in this direction,""" start="00:08:26.519" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we'll certainly start working on it in earnest.""" start="00:08:26.519" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another question, did switching from Guile 2 to 3 give any""" start="00:08:37.730" video="qanda-guile" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""performance benefits? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/hyperbole-after.md b/2024/info/hyperbole-after.md index 68a9d1ba..db5e715e 100644 --- a/2024/info/hyperbole-after.md +++ b/2024/info/hyperbole-after.md @@ -163,7 +163,233 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [matsl@gnu.org](mailto:matsl@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20hyperbole%3A%20Fun%20things%20with%20GNU%20Hyperbole) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="hyperbole-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Hi, Mats, how are you doing? Oh, I'm""" start="00:00:08.986" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fine. It's a pleasure to see you again after last year. And I""" start="00:00:12.308" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was trying to think about it. We saw you last year, but didn't""" start="00:00:16.590" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see you as well in 2022? Yes. This is my third year. Yeah,""" start="00:00:19.131" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, thank you for being a regular at EmacsConf. It's""" start="00:00:26.915" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""always a pleasure to have you chat about hyperbole.""" start="00:00:29.136" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although I think you're the only one chatting about""" start="00:00:31.937" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole this year compared to last year. Yes,""" start="00:00:31.937" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunately, that's, yeah, Bob has some family issues.""" start="00:00:36.744" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, I'm here, but I'm here. Yeah, but we are happy to have""" start="00:00:41.187" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you here. And as I was saying before, I'm not sure if you were,""" start="00:00:44.269" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you had the time to watch the previous talk by Mohsen, you""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know, you had, there were plenty of ideas, I think that were""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very similar to what Hyperbole is trying to do by having""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""buttons and having stuff that can be in any other mode that""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would allow you to supplement a coding file with extra""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information. So the ideas are living on. And even though""" start="00:01:06.745" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole is one thing, I feel like other packages are also""" start="00:01:11.448" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking a lot of inspiration for it. So congratulations on""" start="00:01:11.448" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being an inspiration, I suppose. Oh, thanks.""" start="00:01:16.530" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I have not had any time to watch anything of""" start="00:01:21.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the AMS conference since apparently my life is like every""" start="00:01:21.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time it's AMS conference, I do something else. So I've been""" start="00:01:21.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just moving this weekend. So, I'm in a new apartment, but I'm""" start="00:01:32.819" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connected and everything seems to work okay. So, I can't""" start="00:01:35.800" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relate to what we said in any of the other talks, I'm afraid.""" start="00:01:41.225" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, sorry about that. No, that's okay. No, but that's""" start="00:01:45.348" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completely fine, because you may be able to watch the talks""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at any point later on, because I'll remind the viewers that""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the talks are currently available on EmacsConf or the""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pre-recorded one. And I think we only had one live talk""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yesterday. All of them are already available with""" start="00:01:58.199" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""subtitles and all the funny stuff that we usually put. So""" start="00:02:02.422" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's an invitation for people to watch it. All right. So,""" start="00:02:06.844" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mats, before we start with the questions, I see people in the""" start="00:02:10.985" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""process of writing them. Was there anything else you wanted""" start="00:02:10.985" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to add on top of your presentation? Maybe some supplements""" start="00:02:16.887" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or whatnot? No, no. Nothing to add. Right. I mean, this year""" start="00:02:19.368" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was more a bag of tricks, some new stuff that you've""" start="00:02:28.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implemented in Hyperbole. And it's fun because I see the UI""" start="00:02:28.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you have for some of those modes. And earlier, you""" start="00:02:33.115" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""weren't able to watch those talks, but we were talking a lot""" start="00:02:37.836" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Transient and about what it allows you to do in terms of""" start="00:02:37.836" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactivity. I'm actually familiar with Transient. No,""" start="00:02:37.836" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no, no. It's a mode written by Tarsier, so Jonas Bernoulli,""" start="00:02:50.500" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the person behind Magits, and it's a very nice way to create""" start="00:02:52.765" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""menus for interactive setups. So, if you are interested in""" start="00:02:52.765" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps augmenting what you currently have with""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole, it might be nice to look into Transient because I""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think this is heading towards eventually being merged into""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the core of Emacs. I mean, don't quote me on this. and I'm not""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure how Tarsius feels about it, but because of the""" start="00:03:18.570" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adoption, because Magit obviously uses transient, Org is""" start="00:03:18.570" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to make a move towards adopting transient, it feels""" start="00:03:18.570" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Hyperbole would do well as well to adopt it because it's""" start="00:03:18.570" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting to become a grammar of general UI at this point.""" start="00:03:18.570" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, now when you mention it, I remember because I'm a heavy""" start="00:03:37.338" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""user of Magic, of course. So I know Transient that way. I know""" start="00:03:37.338" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also that people have been complaining about Hyperbole's""" start="00:03:47.364" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""menu system. You know that Hyperbole reach back to""" start="00:03:47.364" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like 1993, so it has some maybe things that are not""" start="00:03:54.989" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""modern in that sense. So we have it on the plate to maybe look""" start="00:03:54.989" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into these things and how we can sort of make things modern,""" start="00:04:04.660" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""etc. Sure, but it's completely fine to take your time. You""" start="00:04:04.660" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't necessarily have to follow the latest fads when it""" start="00:04:16.158" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comes to completion engines or interactive engines like""" start="00:04:16.158" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Transient is. I'm not actually sure how you would call""" start="00:04:16.158" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Transient. Is this a UI maker, an interaction engine? I""" start="00:04:25.085" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know. I'll need to ask Tarsius at some point. All""" start="00:04:31.450" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right. Okay. Okay so let's move on to the questions. We've""" start="00:04:35.854" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got a couple of them and for the Q&A we'll have about five""" start="00:04:41.108" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes and 30 seconds until we got to lunch. So starting""" start="00:04:41.108" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the first question. How is the log buffer generated in""" start="00:04:48.692" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your presentation? But it's a very quick answer to this. We""" start="00:04:51.194" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use We recommend at EmacsConf that speakers use the""" start="00:04:56.696" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interaction log package, which allows you to have a""" start="00:04:57.737" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slightly prettier lossage. 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How does it behave in""" start="00:05:21.051" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""codes i.e functions or class?""" start="00:05:25.454" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well I think it behaves exactly the same. I mean in the""" start="00:05:31.978" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In any sort of buffer, it might depend on what""" start="00:05:42.244" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""constitutes a word, et cetera, and a sentence in the mood.""" start="00:05:42.244" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how I would say it. Right.""" start="00:05:56.831" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just, in that sense, I'm just a user of the function. I""" start="00:06:05.261" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""haven't implemented it. 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It's a""" start="00:06:24.574" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""testament to how amazing Emacs is because everything is""" start="00:06:30.177" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written in Lisp in the background, that as soon as you start""" start="00:06:30.177" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""becoming a maintainer of something, you kind of expect it to""" start="00:06:30.177" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just be able to understand everything else. 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And every Sunday, well, if you do not know what to do,""" start="00:13:39.537" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, here's an idea for you. All right. Thank you so""" start="00:13:39.757" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much, Mats, for coming again to Emacs Conf. And we look""" start="00:13:44.579" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forward, perhaps, to seeing you next year. Yes. I'll be""" start="00:13:46.780" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there. Hopefully, I can see some of the presentations live""" start="00:13:50.962" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then. OK. That's OK. You've got the entire year to catch up on""" start="00:13:52.383" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ones you haven't seen this year and next year. But you'll""" start="00:13:56.865" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have the time to catch another one live. All right. Yes.""" start="00:14:00.767" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great! For the folks watching, we will be taking a break, a""" start="00:14:06.209" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one hour and one minute break. We'll be back at 1 p.m. EST and I""" start="00:14:07.070" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think if my UTC conversion is working right, it should be 6""" start="00:14:12.693" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""p.m. UTC, so at least in one hour. All right, see you in a bit""" start="00:14:12.693" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folks! Oh yes, and sorry, I've got a little health speaking""" start="00:14:23.939" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my ears. In case you're interested in discussing further""" start="00:14:27.463" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole with Mats, Mats is in the room right now and I see""" start="00:14:30.944" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people have joined the BBP chat. So if you want to join and""" start="00:14:30.944" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chat directly with Mats, I'm sure Mats would be more than""" start="00:14:38.165" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happy to answer your questions. And obviously everything""" start="00:14:38.165" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been recorded and will be published later on. But for me,""" start="00:14:44.326" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will use the break to rest a little bit and I'll be back in the""" start="00:14:47.827" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""afternoon. All right, see you folks. Bye, take a break.""" start="00:14:47.827" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:17:56.299" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [matsl@gnu.org](mailto:matsl@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20hyperbole%3A%20Fun%20things%20with%20GNU%20Hyperbole) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/hyperdrive-after.md b/2024/info/hyperdrive-after.md index 13534e9f..2fb071cc 100644 --- a/2024/info/hyperdrive-after.md +++ b/2024/info/hyperdrive-after.md @@ -288,7 +288,298 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [contact@ushin.org](mailto:contact@ushin.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20hyperdrive%3A%20New%20in%20hyperdrive.el%3A%20quick%20install%2C%20peer%20graph%2C%20transclusion%21) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="hyperdrive-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Thank you for the call. And we can hear you as well. Great. If""" start="00:00:00.549" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you want to put on your webcam as well, that'd be good.""" start="00:00:02.771" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello. Okay, great. We're back. Sorry for having to call""" start="00:00:10.817" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you, but just I needed to catch your attention somehow. No,""" start="00:00:12.458" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's great. It's perfect. So how are you doing? I'm doing""" start="00:00:16.381" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very well. How are you? I'm doing good as well. I'm starting""" start="00:00:19.544" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get tired because it's about to be 10 p.m for me and the""" start="00:00:23.332" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""energy cost of hosting is starting to take a toll on me but I'm""" start="00:00:23.332" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fully there presently and I'm really happy to be here to""" start="00:00:23.332" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""field you some questions although I don't see any just yet.""" start="00:00:23.332" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just get how long we have until we need to go to the next""" start="00:00:40.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. We have until 4.05 which leaves us about 15 minutes""" start="00:00:40.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Joseph, I'll first start with a question. Well, first, I'll""" start="00:00:49.523" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""obviously thank you for your presentation, which I""" start="00:00:50.984" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personally found to be very didactic, because I know that""" start="00:00:50.984" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Prat already presented Hyperdrive last year, and you are""" start="00:00:50.984" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presenting this year with something a little more visual,""" start="00:00:50.984" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I found it to be very didactic. So, first, thank you for""" start="00:00:50.984" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all this. And I wanted to give you the opportunity as well""" start="00:01:09.388" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if... Oh, let me just make sure. Do we have audio on? Let me""" start="00:01:11.688" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""check. Let me just check something. Let me just make sure""" start="00:01:19.635" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we have audio on. I have a few things I wanted to mention""" start="00:01:22.418" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first before any questions come in. One was that...""" start="00:01:24.599" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you hear me? Let me just ask the little helps in the""" start="00:01:30.584" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background. Sure.""" start="00:01:35.529" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not sure if my audio is working or not.""" start="00:01:42.855" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have someone to verify for us.""" start="00:01:50.014" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo, is my audio working? Yeah, I can hear you just fine and I""" start="00:01:54.337" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think we fixed it now. One thing I wanted to mention was that""" start="00:01:58.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as with last year, I just released a new version of""" start="00:02:02.523" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrive.el and it depends on the latest release of""" start="00:02:02.523" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transient.el and so if you are going to install this""" start="00:02:02.523" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package, make sure that you restart your Emacs after you""" start="00:02:20.188" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""install it, if you aren't already up to date with transient,""" start="00:02:20.188" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was released yesterday. Otherwise, since it, this""" start="00:02:20.188" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""latest version of transient.el updates the transient""" start="00:02:34.512" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prefix EIEIO class, and it won't work unless you restart""" start="00:02:34.512" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. Okay, well, good to know. I think that's a small price""" start="00:02:34.512" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to pay to be on a bleeding est of bleeding edges. All right, I""" start="00:02:51.594" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see there's a question here. Let me see if I can read it. Yeah,""" start="00:02:58.558" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure. Do you want me to field it to you or do you want to read it?""" start="00:03:01.439" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, sure. Go ahead. I'd love to hear you read it. Sure. Thank""" start="00:03:03.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you. So first question. Hi there. Thank you for the talk. I""" start="00:03:06.628" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enjoyed watching it. I tried this tool last year and it""" start="00:03:10.311" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seemed to work well, but I don't know anyone who actually""" start="00:03:11.953" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uses it. Network effects are tricky. Do you know of any""" start="00:03:11.953" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""public shares people can join to try to try this tool out""" start="00:03:18.198" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""properly? Thank you. Network effects are indeed tricky.""" start="00:03:18.198" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. That's kind of part of the purpose of the peer graph is""" start="00:03:26.925" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make it easier to discover peers in a way that's more, uh,""" start="00:03:29.447" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more reliable and consistent than just somebody puts a""" start="00:03:34.898" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""public key on Reddit and then it's lost unless somebody""" start="00:03:34.898" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""finds it. 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So that's blog.move.moe.""" start="00:04:15.584" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But besides that, that's kind of the purpose of this""" start="00:04:28.427" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PureGraph thing is to make it easier to discover other""" start="00:04:28.427" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""peers. 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The purpose is exclusively just to get more peers""" start="00:05:53.752" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be able to discover more peers who have things that are""" start="00:06:00.959" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worth reading.""" start="00:06:00.959" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's a different take on a concept, but even though the""" start="00:06:13.038" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concept might be the same, I find there's a wealth of things""" start="00:06:13.038" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be done thanks to this, because as you said, you""" start="00:06:13.038" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trust someone to send you a file that is trustworthy. 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I believe the stream is now cut away to the""" start="00:19:30.302" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next thing as of 10, as of 40 seconds ago or something. Sorry,""" start="00:19:37.889" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it took me a minute to get over here. We had to coordinate for a""" start="00:19:46.416" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""second. No, it's all good. Thank you again. I'm just typing""" start="00:19:48.118" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these answers into the pad. Hang on, I got too much""" start="00:19:53.883" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""crosstalk. Let me mute this other garment. I mean, these""" start="00:19:58.337" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other fine people that all want my attention.""" start="00:20:02.258" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Corwin. My nephew's name is Corwin. Oh, yeah,""" start="00:20:09.019" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""neat. It's a good name. I personally recommend it. Yeah, so I""" start="00:20:14.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was just going to say you can actually go as long as you want""" start="00:20:18.400" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to. And then when everybody leaves, it'll kind of shut the""" start="00:20:18.400" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""room down. Like I didn't want to, and if you have like a, you""" start="00:20:24.402" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be able to like basically take the screen to or""" start="00:20:27.677" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever, like control that. If you want to share anything""" start="00:20:27.677" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yourself, if you can't let me know. Thank you. I think I'll""" start="00:20:36.504" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just type in these answers. I think I can leave the room now,""" start="00:20:41.527" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's not a super. Oh, okay. 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Please e-mail [contact@ushin.org](mailto:contact@ushin.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20hyperdrive%3A%20New%20in%20hyperdrive.el%3A%20quick%20install%2C%20peer%20graph%2C%20transclusion%21) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/julia-after.md b/2024/info/julia-after.md index 1e87ff7d..283ecd20 100644 --- a/2024/info/julia-after.md +++ b/2024/info/julia-after.md @@ -209,6 +209,118 @@ [[!template text="""So, with all of this, I want to thank you""" start="00:09:10.040" video="mainVideo-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for your attention, enjoy Emacs, and enjoy Julia.""" start="00:09:13.000" video="mainVideo-julia" id="subtitle"]] +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="julia-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""answer to that. I, I think the infrastructure for an""" start="00:00:00.089" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ecosystem in Julia in general is as mature as other""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages, and even debugger infiltrator themselves are""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not particularly well developed. And so I don't think""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's much we can do about that right now. I think that It's""" start="00:00:15.853" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunate that most of the development for these type of""" start="00:00:21.570" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools is tightly linked to VS code. But even there, I don't""" start="00:00:21.570" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think that there's much done in terms of interactive""" start="00:00:29.218" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugging. So I, yeah, I think this has to be worked on mostly""" start="00:00:29.218" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Julia side first. And then probably Emacs can get""" start="00:00:36.866" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something out of that. I know that there's development in""" start="00:00:43.820" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugger.jl itself for future releases to make it at least""" start="00:00:49.183" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""faster and more stable. But yeah, I think we're not there as""" start="00:00:49.183" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia community itself. So let alone Emacs, integration""" start="00:00:58.809" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emacs. The way I personally debug is mostly using,""" start="00:01:04.192" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, debugger and infiltrator with Julia REPL mode in""" start="00:01:08.286" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. The second question, can you call out something that""" start="00:01:08.286" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia has that Emacs does not and which could benefit Emacs?""" start="00:01:18.009" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nothing stands out to me except the usual multi-threading""" start="00:01:26.852" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things like this. I don't necessarily see something""" start="00:01:28.848" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Julia has going on that DMX doesn't have, but I see some""" start="00:01:33.432" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""differences and approaches that I think are important,""" start="00:01:33.432" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the community. I think Julia is a very active and tight""" start="00:01:33.432" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community. Julia uses Slack and is very, very active. I""" start="00:01:47.384" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think he might say something like that, but it's maybe more""" start="00:01:54.093" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Reddit, IRC. JuliaCon is big and brings together lots and""" start="00:01:54.093" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lots of people. And I think the sense of community is really""" start="00:01:59.078" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powerful. It's very easy to essentially meet people that""" start="00:02:03.221" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are interested in what we're building and interested in""" start="00:02:06.364" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we're doing and interested in Julian, our, you know,""" start="00:02:06.364" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hacker spirit. I think Emacs is a very strong community.""" start="00:02:06.364" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're here on a Saturday talking about Emacs, which again""" start="00:02:21.228" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proves that we are doing this. But I'd like to emphasize that""" start="00:02:21.228" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community is a really important aspect in Julia that I""" start="00:02:27.192" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think we should double down on our side. The next question is""" start="00:02:27.192" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Lisp syntax with Julia, like what we can do in Python.""" start="00:02:36.797" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think that's, I don't, I am not aware of any package""" start="00:02:48.038" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that does that. I would bet that there's something there. I""" start="00:02:48.038" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think that that's possible. Indeed, there used to be a Lisp""" start="00:02:56.722" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreter in Julia itself until the latest release. The""" start="00:02:59.243" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax parsing was done with a Lisp, it was called TemtoList""" start="00:03:07.647" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indeed. I think this got rid, get rid of this for our more""" start="00:03:07.647" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia-based solution that is faster and with better code""" start="00:03:16.124" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provenance. I think that it should be possible to use the""" start="00:03:16.124" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""metaprogramming features in Julia to change the structure""" start="00:03:25.430" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your syntax to be a Lispy syntax. I do want to emphasize""" start="00:03:25.430" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that""" start="00:03:36.238" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia is heavily inspired by Lisp, so I wouldn't be""" start="00:03:36.238" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""surprised if if something like this were possible. I have""" start="00:03:36.238" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tried Julia Snail. So the next question is about Julia""" start="00:03:49.309" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Snail. I found Julia REPL to be a little bit easier to set up""" start="00:03:51.270" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use. So I just settled on that. I should maybe revisit""" start="00:03:53.312" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. In particular, I use the Julia REPL with the vterm""" start="00:04:00.918" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""backend, which essentially makes a companion REPL to my""" start="00:04:03.720" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scripts. And that works for me. I do think that the tooling""" start="00:04:03.720" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, could be improved. I think there is definitely much room""" start="00:04:15.638" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would like to see improvement in that area. Um, and, uh,""" start="00:04:17.399" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we have, uh, okay. Data inspector for, for Julia Red Bull.""" start="00:04:22.940" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I, I don't think so. I don't, is there any data inspector""" start="00:04:32.043" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in for, for the Julia Red Bull that we can use in Emacs? I, I,""" start="00:04:34.804" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure. I don't think so. I think the way I look at data is""" start="00:04:43.223" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""essentially ignoring AMX when encoded. It's just using the""" start="00:04:44.845" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""REPL. And again, with Julia REPL. So I'm not aware of any""" start="00:04:49.632" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specialized tool And again, maybe this is, again, a good""" start="00:04:53.899" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moment to emphasize that tooling, the Julia community""" start="00:04:58.652" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clusters around VS Code. And there is tools like the, pretty""" start="00:04:58.652" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much all the work with VS Code, unfortunately. And while""" start="00:05:06.315" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a very, very decent Julia mode and Julia repo mode""" start="00:05:12.578" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Julia snail, there's definitely, definitely room for""" start="00:05:12.578" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improvement.""" start="00:05:12.578" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, we have a question about literate programming in""" start="00:05:24.443" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia. I haven't done much of it with Oracle Babel or""" start="00:05:24.443" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything else. I haven't done much of it. I can say that Julia""" start="00:05:29.505" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has developed a new iteration of notebooks called Pluto.""" start="00:05:35.827" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I'm thinking about Jupyter notebooks. The Pluto""" start="00:05:46.090" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notebooks for Julia try to remove a bunch of the pain points""" start="00:05:51.021" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Jupyter notebooks have, meaning you cannot easily""" start="00:05:51.021" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commit them to Git or things like this.""" start="00:05:51.021" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't used them, but I know some people are very fond of""" start="00:06:06.450" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them. And so I think that that's what some of the Julia""" start="00:06:06.450" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community would use for notebooks. And I think they can""" start="00:06:09.872" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interact with Emacs with no problem. And that would be a form""" start="00:06:15.315" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of later programming. But if you can do it in Python, you can""" start="00:06:20.974" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do it in Julia. I think there is no reason. And actually, you""" start="00:06:24.015" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can take advantage of all this just-in-time or""" start="00:06:30.617" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just-out-of-time compilation by keeping the same""" start="00:06:30.617" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""session. So I think it will be definitely a nice use case. So""" start="00:06:30.617" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are the questions that I see here. I'm going to scroll""" start="00:06:44.681" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the comments and see if there's something that I""" start="00:06:48.561" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should say about comments. I'm excited people want to learn""" start="00:06:48.561" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia. I have to say that if I want to do GPU computing""" start="00:06:56.228" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nowadays, I find it much easier to do it with Julia than with""" start="00:06:58.990" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CUDA. So I encourage people to look into that. And I do,""" start="00:06:58.990" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again, I would like to share what makes me excited about""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, about this being open, being collaborative, being""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""respectable with documentation is something that I find in""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia. So I think people that are excited about the same""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""features will find a little bit of joy in working with Julia.""" start="00:07:27.367" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I addressed what I have here. I don't know if there's""" start="00:07:38.214" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything else that I should add.""" start="00:07:40.189" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took me a minute to unmute there. No, I think that was""" start="00:07:51.718" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""awesome. And thank you so much. I guess I thought it would""" start="00:07:54.060" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collapse that shared area on BBB, my mistake, on the stream,""" start="00:07:56.822" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or I would have left it open. But in any case, no, I thought""" start="00:07:56.822" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was great. You did a great job of responding to all the""" start="00:08:10.220" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions and comments. And thank you again so much for your""" start="00:08:13.083" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk and getting us all excited to learn Julia. Thank you.""" start="00:08:16.306" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enjoy EmacsConf. And again, thanks so much for attending,""" start="00:08:24.094" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being EmacsConf. Thank you.""" start="00:08:25.335" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] + </div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20julia%3A%20Exploring%20shared%20philosophies%20in%20Julia%20and%20Emacs) diff --git a/2024/info/learning-after.md b/2024/info/learning-after.md index 8d20694a..a2517064 100644 --- a/2024/info/learning-after.md +++ b/2024/info/learning-after.md @@ -463,7 +463,318 @@ Captioner: rodrigo -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20learning%3A%20Survival%20of%20the%20skillest%3A%20Thriving%20in%20the%20learning%20jungle) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="learning-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""I'm doing well. Thank you so much. I was supposed to chat and""" start="00:00:00.029" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""write down stuff in the etherpad, but you guys accommodated""" start="00:00:02.593" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me very nicely, swiftly, efficiently, in spite of my quirky""" start="00:00:02.593" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""last minute requests. 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Thanks for sharing. Have fun with the rest of the Emacs""" start="00:22:49.649" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""camp. Okay. All right. Then see you then. Happy Emacs month""" start="00:22:51.450" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to you too. Okay. Bye. Bye.""" start="00:22:57.591" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are currently the only person in this conference.""" start="00:23:15.238" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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And we appreciate your""" start="00:22:01.431" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being in a huge resource that you are to the community.""" start="00:22:07.153" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to everyone for tuning in and we'll be coming over to""" start="00:22:10.454" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our next talk in just a moment here. And so bear with us""" start="00:22:10.454" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the transition as we slip into, I think it's our, is""" start="00:22:17.017" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that our penultimate or our ultimate talk? We have one or two""" start="00:22:17.017" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""left, I'm not sure. I think we've got a couple of talks left.""" start="00:22:25.460" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm back. Thank you, Howard. And we will be moving to the next""" start="00:22:29.473" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk in about six minutes. So if you need to grab some coffee,""" start="00:22:32.255" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some tea, use the time wisely. And to confirm, we will have""" start="00:22:35.737" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one, two, three more talks this afternoon. So there's still""" start="00:22:39.800" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plenty to go around. See you in a bit, folks.""" start="00:22:43.982" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20mcclim%3A%20Elisp%20and%20McCLIM) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="mcclim-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""volume of code I've written that.""" start="00:00:00.029" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will do a follow-up video with the kind of synchronized""" start="00:00:06.578" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""elist mode stuff because that is the point of the talk. Sorry""" start="00:00:06.578" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for talking over you. Please continue.""" start="00:00:15.670" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasha C is saying car kill ring.""" start="00:00:38.632" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, so this question, they're just asking in the""" start="00:00:54.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scratchpad, is there any other GUI stuff I've worked on in""" start="00:00:54.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the past? I guess my Tubenix channel, I was doing a bunch of""" start="00:00:54.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, so just common list development, homed around make""" start="00:01:03.347" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clem. What is my Tubenix channel? 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So to speak, you're like, you're totally""" start="00:13:17.830" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""welcome to use our chat like it to the extent you need to IRC""" start="00:13:21.571" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""channel that's been working on great for me. It's fun to fun""" start="00:13:21.571" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see it.""" start="00:13:28.553" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'm gonna hang up this thing. All right. Happy day""" start="00:13:36.295" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""flowy. Sorry, I mean, screw list. Oh my gosh, I've live""" start="00:13:38.696" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference brain. Bye bye. All right, later, later.""" start="00:13:43.057" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20mcclim%3A%20Elisp%20and%20McCLIM) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/org-update-after.md b/2024/info/org-update-after.md index 7985b304..bf69babd 100644 --- a/2024/info/org-update-after.md +++ b/2024/info/org-update-after.md @@ -695,6 +695,428 @@ [[!template text="""we can continue discussing""" start="00:39:30.321" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""apart from what happens after this presentation.""" start="00:39:31.641" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="org-update-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Okay. Hi again, Ihor. How are you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing? Ready to answer questions, right? Yes. Ready to""" start="00:00:05.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer questions and all this. I mean, ready for""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything. It's not just a question, it's the maintenance""" start="00:00:13.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is now lying in front of you. So... Oh, that's not the end""" start="00:00:15.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the day. I mean, it's a rare thing indeed, because you""" start="00:00:21.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might not be able to see it on BBB. I'm checking in, but we've""" start="00:00:25.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got Ihor, obviously, but we also have Bastien and also""" start="00:00:27.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Carsten in the room. 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Right, so just moving""" start="00:01:18.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the question, and by the way we've got 20 minutes, we""" start="00:01:22.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be able to chat a little more if Bastien wants to say""" start="00:01:25.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something as well and Carsten, you know, feel free to""" start="00:01:27.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intervene at any point during the questions if you've got""" start="00:01:29.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything to contribute or our voice will just show the""" start="00:01:33.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""breeze later on. So the first question is relating to""" start="00:01:35.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something you said about 10 minutes 34 that might speak more""" start="00:01:37.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to you than to me. Is the track changes item about the org""" start="00:01:41.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""element parser Yes, the track changes is a new library that""" start="00:01:45.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps to receive changes in buffers incrementally. So like""" start="00:01:51.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can, it has API where you can request what changes""" start="00:01:58.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happened in buffer since last request, chunk by chunk. And""" start="00:02:03.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in org mode, in org element parser, we do pretty much the same""" start="00:02:08.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing, but using timers. So this track changes library""" start="00:02:14.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should improve things, first, because it's a bit faster,""" start="00:02:19.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we don't need to conjure every single change, and""" start="00:02:25.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""track changes can agglomerate changes into chunks much""" start="00:02:29.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more efficiently. And second, it's a built-in library, so""" start="00:02:32.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a good idea to use built-in library when there is such an""" start="00:02:36.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""option, instead of running out our own implementation.""" start="00:02:40.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely. Moving on to the second question, although I'm""" start="00:02:45.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not sure it refers that much to what you can do. Could you""" start="00:02:49.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please keep ISC alive? And I prefer it to make matrix. I mean,""" start="00:02:52.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you did talk about ISC, right? But did we talk about phasing""" start="00:02:57.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it out? So I try to be live on IRC, but I use mobile client for""" start="00:03:03.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""IRC to keep connected. So I usually connected, I usually see""" start="00:03:08.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messages, except certain times when I don't have mobile""" start="00:03:13.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internet. Right. Okay. That's why many people will tell""" start="00:03:15.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you, you need a bouncer and all this, but the IRC crowd is very""" start="00:03:19.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""loud. I just don't know a good bouncer. I don't have a good""" start="00:03:23.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setup for a bouncer. Okay.""" start="00:03:33.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Personally, I use WeChat usually to stay connected to""" start="00:03:36.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""email. It's obviously a client for LSC, but it also allows""" start="00:03:41.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you to, you know, you can keep it as a bouncer, but it's not in""" start="00:03:44.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. It is. I don't have a computer that is running 24""" start="00:03:47.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hours, so. I mean, that's the thing. I do have a server to run""" start="00:03:54.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it off. All right, moving on to the third question. That is""" start="00:03:56.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is running 24 hours. Right. Okay. All right. Moving on""" start="00:04:02.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the third question. Is there any plan for adding support""" start="00:04:06.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for other modalities of note-like, handwritten, audio,""" start="00:04:09.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and et cetera? Would that be interesting to the community?""" start="00:04:11.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will definitely be useful for me. I didn't. Okay. So this""" start="00:04:14.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not the idea I hear frequently. So there's no plan for such""" start="00:04:20.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing. Modalities of notes like handwritten audio. I think""" start="00:04:25.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John kitchen did some handwritten note.""" start="00:04:29.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John kitchen. Yeah. And for audio, I think as well. I. So""" start="00:04:34.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically you can use attachments, you can use images to""" start="00:04:46.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""paste you. I think john kitchen even use it to automatically""" start="00:04:49.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recognize notes.""" start="00:04:54.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the previous speaker was talking about a whisper to""" start="00:04:58.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recognize voice. Right.""" start="00:05:05.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise there is no special workflow and I'm not even sure""" start="00:05:10.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we can do to support this workflow specifically.""" start="00:05:13.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it definitely feels like Org Mode is a good format for""" start="00:05:16.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""textual stuff, and a lot of things are textual. I mean,""" start="00:05:22.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the whole philosophy behind Emacs. But when it comes""" start="00:05:25.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to voice, it feels like it's... 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There is the new""" start="00:07:12.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asynchronous IP. It's called org-pending. It's work in""" start="00:07:17.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""progress. And that basically allows to defer inserting""" start="00:07:23.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text into our buffers until later. And while it's being""" start="00:07:29.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worked on, it will basically highlight the place where it""" start="00:07:34.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be inserted. And you can click on it, see the progress,""" start="00:07:37.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that. 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Bye-bye.""" start="00:26:14.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Off-stream Q&A""" start="00:26:22.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right. Is it only the two of us now? I don't really know who""" start="00:26:22.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""else. Can you see if there's anybody else in this room? I""" start="00:26:27.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know. There are like two, four, six people and Sacha is""" start="00:26:31.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one of them, so probably five people. Oh, Sasha is here.""" start="00:26:35.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I haven't heard her say anything, but I see her in the""" start="00:26:38.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chat. Okay. 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That's what it was. Micro-Emacs absolutely""" start="00:27:42.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""had the function to pull me into Emacs, But it's not that I""" start="00:27:45.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have specific microemacs features that would have""" start="00:27:49.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""triggered me to do something for OSMOS. I think that would be""" start="00:27:51.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the answer to your question. All right, thanks.""" start="00:27:55.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are you a user of microemacs, George? I posted the source to""" start="00:27:58.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CompSource's Amiga in 86, and I was somewhat responsible""" start="00:28:01.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for it being in the wild. Oh, I'm so sorry that I didn't,""" start="00:28:04.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't really aware that I made the connection to your name.""" start="00:28:07.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, no, no, no. We all moved on and the world is a better place.""" start="00:28:11.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. No, I actually did use it for something like, I think""" start="00:28:19.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""six years as my only admin at the time before I made the""" start="00:28:25.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/pgmacs-after.md b/2024/info/pgmacs-after.md index 8f049941..ebcf40f0 100644 --- a/2024/info/pgmacs-after.md +++ b/2024/info/pgmacs-after.md @@ -301,7 +301,293 @@ Captioner: eric -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org](mailto:eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20pgmacs%3A%20PGmacs%3A%20browsing%20and%20editing%20PostgreSQL%20databases%20from%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="pgmacs-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""and I believe we are live. Hi, Eric, how are you doing? Very""" start="00:00:05.945" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, thanks. It's a pleasure to have you as one of our""" start="00:00:09.709" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speakers but it's also very nice to see you present about""" start="00:00:12.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""PGMAX because I found your talk to be very didactic and very""" start="00:00:12.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""visual. So thank you for taking the time to do a very nice""" start="00:00:12.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation. I wanted to give the opportunity as I do with""" start="00:00:24.891" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other speakers to maybe talk about some stuff that you could""" start="00:00:28.994" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not include into the talk because of the format. So is there""" start="00:00:28.994" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything you'd like to share with the viewers that you""" start="00:00:38.781" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""weren't able to include?""" start="00:00:38.781" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I think I gave most of the most of the relevant""" start="00:00:45.447" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information. This is a fairly young application. I've been""" start="00:00:45.447" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developing this since roughly the beginning of the year. So""" start="00:00:54.849" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are probably some rough edges that people will run""" start="00:00:57.749" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into if they use Postgres differently from what I do. Or they""" start="00:00:57.749" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hear maybe conflicts with some other Emacs packages that""" start="00:01:06.651" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people use that I don't use. So I would really welcome people""" start="00:01:06.651" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying it out and sending out bug reports if they do""" start="00:01:15.249" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encounter some. Yeah, I mean, it's usually... Go on,""" start="00:01:15.249" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please. Yeah, that would certainly help to make sure it's""" start="00:01:21.213" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nice and robust. And of course, if you're letting this loose""" start="00:01:25.676" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on some production database that you might have, you want""" start="00:01:29.878" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this to be quite robust, obviously. Yeah, indeed. Because""" start="00:01:29.878" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually, you know, when you start publishing packages like""" start="00:01:40.959" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this, that's when you realize that it has bad interaction""" start="00:01:40.959" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other modes in the IMAX of other persons. But""" start="00:01:40.959" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially when you're dealing with databases, you also""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""realize that the domain space of what you're trying to do""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your mode also is hugely dependent on what people have""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in their database, which schema they have. So, indeed, if""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have been interested, and I think plenty of people have""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been interested by what you've presented, part of the""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reason a software becomes great is that you've got plenty of""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people making bug reports and making sure that all the""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""faults have been ironed out. So, you know what your task is. I""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will also ask you, particularly right now, people""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently viewing, to add your questions on the pad as""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usual, because you've had plenty of nice reactions, but I'm""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure you have plenty of questions as well. So Eric, what I'll""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be doing, I'll be reading you the questions so that it's a""" start="00:02:29.965" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little more didactic. Starting with the first one. This is""" start="00:02:29.965" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""brilliant, thank you. 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So""" start="00:13:06.480" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps you might think otherwise, but I wish you luck on the""" start="00:13:11.042" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugging with this particular matter. All right, moving""" start="00:13:11.042" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the last question that we have and then we'll probably go""" start="00:13:16.924" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on a little bit of a break. Question. Is SQLite mode also""" start="00:13:16.924" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capable of all of this functionality, table relations,""" start="00:13:23.927" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""etc.? 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So it might be difficult to have something that""" start="00:14:34.966" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really works with generic queries in an effective way. All""" start="00:14:43.233" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these SQL dialects are a little bit different,""" start="00:14:54.922" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunately. So there was another question about I was""" start="00:14:54.922" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just going to read out the next question. So have you thought""" start="00:15:03.209" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about integrating your work into the Emacs tree? Do you know""" start="00:15:06.511" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if people are interested? This was a question from the past.""" start="00:15:12.173" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I think it's probably a bit young to do so, so far.""" start="00:15:16.596" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm updating it quite regularly. Maybe once it's more""" start="00:15:24.219" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stabilized, I wouldn't necessarily object to this. I have""" start="00:15:28.241" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some sort of philosophical objections to giving away my""" start="00:15:35.287" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copyright, so I'm not sure that will actually be possible.""" start="00:15:35.287" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, that'd be interesting. I'd love to get you on maybe a""" start="00:15:45.715" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""panel talk about that sometime. Something I'd think about.""" start="00:15:46.656" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, from a very simple point of view, I think that the""" start="00:15:52.580" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copyright and the system works well with the existing""" start="00:15:52.580" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""license and without a license transfer, so I don't feel that""" start="00:15:58.604" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, sorry, without a copyright transfer, I don't feel that""" start="00:15:58.604" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the copyright transfer is really a necessary step for""" start="00:15:58.604" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking things away from maintainers. It feels like Asking""" start="00:15:58.604" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the maintainers to give up on some of their corporate...""" start="00:16:21.275" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Indeed. Yeah, I see where that's a little beyond our scope,""" start="00:16:21.275" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's a fascinating topic and I appreciate your sharing""" start="00:16:27.362" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your views there. I mean, that sounds like a whole topic of""" start="00:16:27.362" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its own, frankly.""" start="00:16:34.251" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Corbyn, do you want to fill the last question? Sure. So""" start="00:16:41.482" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question was, I almost missed this one, so glad I didn't.""" start="00:16:45.064" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This may have been answered already. What do you use for""" start="00:16:52.149" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-buffer tables? Do you use vtable? Yep. Thanks for the""" start="00:16:53.850" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question. It is indeed vtable. However, it's not really""" start="00:16:59.674" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""vtable. It's a fork that I made, which is called pgmix table.""" start="00:17:03.216" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Vtable doesn't have exactly the right""" start="00:17:11.764" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality in particular for recoloring rows when you""" start="00:17:11.764" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add a row. So I've currently forked this. I'm thinking about""" start="00:17:11.764" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""giving those back as patches to Vtable, plausibly.""" start="00:17:25.193" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that there is some ongoing work also on vTable in the""" start="00:17:37.541" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core. So I'll have to look at what is plausible to feed back""" start="00:17:37.541" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the main version.""" start="00:17:41.805" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, great. I think we are nearing the end of the Q&A. We""" start="00:17:50.515" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are due to move to the next talk in about three minutes now. I""" start="00:17:55.176" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can fill 30 seconds or a minute of that with I guess one more""" start="00:17:59.378" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe back and forth and I'll try to be quicker this time.""" start="00:17:59.378" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First of all, thanks for your kind remarks. But my question""" start="00:18:05.100" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't really about Windows so much, it was just how I'm""" start="00:18:08.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relating So have you, let me put it more simply, have you""" start="00:18:08.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""started looking at integrating with EMAX 30 or with the""" start="00:18:14.744" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""master branch at all? Do you have any sense of how much work""" start="00:18:14.744" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's going to be for you to carry things forward there? I've""" start="00:18:22.731" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tested it with the pre-release, yes. I mean, just a very""" start="00:18:28.362" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basic testing and everything works perfectly. There's""" start="00:18:30.244" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really no... There was no difference that I have noticed""" start="00:18:34.609" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between 29.4 and the 30 pre-release on the aspects that I use""" start="00:18:34.609" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least in Emacs. Neato.""" start="00:18:34.609" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was it, Leo. Thanks for letting me back in for one more""" start="00:18:53.516" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bite at the apple there. And I appreciate everybody tuning""" start="00:18:54.937" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in and participating in the Q&A and this awesome talk.""" start="00:18:57.479" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for your questions. That was great. Yeah, and thank""" start="00:19:03.584" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you for answering them and for the presentation as well. So""" start="00:19:06.326" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll be moving in about two minutes to the next talk, which""" start="00:19:09.909" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pre-recorded as well. Well, we didn't really give you the""" start="00:19:09.909" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chance, Eric, to have the last word. So do you have any last""" start="00:19:17.175" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""word?""" start="00:19:20.698" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please try it out, try out PGMax and send some feedback""" start="00:19:30.503" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that'll help improve it over time. Sure, great. Well, thank""" start="00:19:30.503" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so much, Eric, for taking the time to come to the""" start="00:19:39.006" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference, and we'll see you soon. Thank you. Bye,""" start="00:19:39.006" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. Bye. And we'll be live with the next talk in about 1""" start="00:19:45.908" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minute 30. So we'll take a little bit of a breather, go make""" start="00:19:48.448" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some coffee, go take a bio break. We'll be back soon. See you""" start="00:19:50.969" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a bit.""" start="00:19:56.351" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org](mailto:eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20pgmacs%3A%20PGmacs%3A%20browsing%20and%20editing%20PostgreSQL%20databases%20from%20Emacs) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/project-after.md b/2024/info/project-after.md index c85fa07b..67fb3888 100644 --- a/2024/info/project-after.md +++ b/2024/info/project-after.md @@ -312,7 +312,815 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu](mailto:blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20project%3A%20Managing%20writing%20project%20metadata%20with%20org-mode) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="project-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""And about, I think we are live. Okay, hi again everyone. And hi""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blaine, how are you doing? Fantastic, happy to be here.""" start="00:00:10.320" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's good to see you again. We were just reminiscing in""" start="00:00:14.680" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a room right now that it's almost been a year exactly since we""" start="00:00:17.480" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""last spoke because you were at the EmacsConf last year. That's""" start="00:00:20.240" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right. This is great fun. Yeah, well, thank you for coming in""" start="00:00:23.880" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and especially every time you come with a very well-crafted""" start="00:00:28.560" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talks talking about, you know, what you do with Org Mode, Org""" start="00:00:33.080" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Roam and whatever. And it's really fascinating as someone""" start="00:00:37.280" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who develops and use those tools constantly to see you put""" start="00:00:41.040" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them in action so well. Because you, you know, the way you""" start="00:00:43.480" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk about your research, it really reminds me on what we""" start="00:00:46.200" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were, sorry, I've got elves talking in my ears and I'm still""" start="00:00:49.720" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not used to it at this point. But it's really nice to see you""" start="00:00:53.280" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""put all of this together into a very cohesive way for you to""" start="00:00:56.640" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""write. Okay, let me just share my screen and I'll be sharing""" start="00:01:00.360" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the questions. Where is it? All right, take presenter. And I""" start="00:01:03.760" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be sharing the questions. All right. Can you see my""" start="00:01:11.880" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""screen all right? I can, yes. OK, cool. So we move straight to""" start="00:01:18.080" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question. Let me just check on the time. I think we have""" start="00:01:24.160" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about until 10.20, which is in 17 minutes. So let's take""" start="00:01:27.000" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about 10 to 15 minutes of question time. And if people have""" start="00:01:32.000" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""joined on BBB, we'll also be taking questions live. All""" start="00:01:35.640" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: what does 0573 means in your init. file name?""" start="00:01:38.600" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""right. Starting with the first question, what does 0573""" start="00:01:38.600" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mean in your init file name? So this name is, you can think of""" start="00:01:44.080" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it as a prefix or a stub. It's an index number that I utilize""" start="00:01:49.720" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before a short name that describes the project. So I have all""" start="00:01:55.880" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my projects in my home directory, and I just start typing the""" start="00:02:01.480" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project number or index number. in the terminal and I have""" start="00:02:06.120" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""autocompletion available through oh my ZSH package. So I""" start="00:02:12.200" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just hit tab and it autocompletes the name of the project and""" start="00:02:17.880" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pops me into that folder. And so I find this to be very easy for""" start="00:02:21.200" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""navigating between projects. As you saw, I work on multiple""" start="00:02:26.320" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""projects in a given day and this helps me move about. And I""" start="00:02:30.920" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also use this number at the start of the log file name and at""" start="00:02:37.400" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the start of the manuscript name and the start of the, I also""" start="00:02:45.640" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have an annotated bibliography. So all those files are""" start="00:02:50.640" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""identified just in case I accidentally save one to the wrong""" start="00:02:54.080" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folder. I can avoid, I can sort them out later. Great""" start="00:02:59.360" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question. Thank you. Next question, which I think is going""" start="00:03:04.640" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: What does Zettelkasten mean?""" start="00:03:09.520" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""to be a long one. What does Zettelkasten mean? So this means""" start="00:03:09.520" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, I guess, notebox, something along those lines. You""" start="00:03:16.160" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can think of it as a- Yeah, spitbox usually, that's the word""" start="00:03:20.720" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we use. Thank you. So this is a kind of like a card catalog""" start="00:03:24.880" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system that when it was done on paper, and now it's being done""" start="00:03:29.160" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""electronically through various software packages. So in""" start="00:03:33.360" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs world, org-roam is a one of several alternate""" start="00:03:38.680" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages that you can use. Prot has the note and there's a""" start="00:03:43.200" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""couple others. 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Org Roam has a wonderful GUI interface where you can""" start="00:04:34.920" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""display it as a knowledge graph, essentially, all your""" start="00:04:43.080" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nodes and the backlinks between them. I set mine up in a""" start="00:04:47.080" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather hierarchical fashion to, at least right now, it's""" start="00:04:52.480" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty hierarchical at this point, but it may become more""" start="00:04:56.640" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""disorganized over time. But I find it I'm sort of a visual""" start="00:05:01.960" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""person. I like mind maps a lot. 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Yep, you too.""" start="01:02:32.840" video="qanda-project" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu](mailto:blaine-mooers@ouhsc.edu?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20project%3A%20Managing%20writing%20project%20metadata%20with%20org-mode) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/project-before.md b/2024/info/project-before.md index 35f74a47..e2d849df 100644 --- a/2024/info/project-before.md +++ b/2024/info/project-before.md @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 22-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-project> -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_REVIEW_QA diff --git a/2024/info/rust-before.md b/2024/info/rust-before.md index 30e3f8f1..fab75257 100644 --- a/2024/info/rust-before.md +++ b/2024/info/rust-before.md @@ -46,6 +46,6 @@ Status: TO_INDEX_QA # Q&A -<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="rust-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-rust--an-experimental-emacs-core-in-rust--troy-hinckley--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-rust--an-experimental-emacs-core-in-rust--troy-hinckley--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-rust">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-rust--an-experimental-emacs-core-in-rust--troy-hinckley--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-rust--an-experimental-emacs-core-in-rust--troy-hinckley--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (42MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="rust-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-rust--an-experimental-emacs-core-in-rust--troy-hinckley--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-rust--an-experimental-emacs-core-in-rust--troy-hinckley--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/sat-close-before.md b/2024/info/sat-close-before.md index 10c8b9f8..fa6298ee 100644 --- a/2024/info/sat-close-before.md +++ b/2024/info/sat-close-before.md @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad +Format: 6-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-sat-close> Status: Ready to stream @@ -8,6 +8,6 @@ Status: Ready to stream -<div class="vid"><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-sat-close">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li></ul></div></div> +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="sat-close-mainVideo"><source src="emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--answers--original.webm" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 05:49 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-sat-close">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/secrets-before.md b/2024/info/secrets-before.md index 030c6994..3f145875 100644 --- a/2024/info/secrets-before.md +++ b/2024/info/secrets-before.md @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 15-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-secrets> -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_CAPTION_QA diff --git a/2024/info/shell-before.md b/2024/info/shell-before.md index 53553ab5..bd401964 100644 --- a/2024/info/shell-before.md +++ b/2024/info/shell-before.md @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 38-min talk ; Q&A: IRC Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-shell> -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_FOLLOW_UP diff --git a/2024/info/theme-before.md b/2024/info/theme-before.md index 12d7d51d..d14e4671 100644 --- a/2024/info/theme-before.md +++ b/2024/info/theme-before.md @@ -31,6 +31,6 @@ Status: TO_CAPTION_QA 02:43.720 Q: One area I see emacs able to do themes that is "underused?" is changing the font 08:53.461 Q: Have you ever kept any of the random themes that were thrown up? -"""]]<div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-theme">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers--main--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers--main.vtt">Download --answers--main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (16MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 09:51 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-theme">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers--main--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers--main.vtt">Download --answers--main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-theme--my-journey-of-finding-and-creating-the-perfect-emacs-theme--metrowind--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (16MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/transducers-before.md b/2024/info/transducers-before.md index 4da3ef9d..d6d60c5e 100644 --- a/2024/info/transducers-before.md +++ b/2024/info/transducers-before.md @@ -41,6 +41,6 @@ Status: TO_CAPTION_QA 18:17.477 Q: Do we need a pre-written \"t-\" version for every already existing reducing function like + or is there a function to construct them from already defined reducer 2-arg functions? 20:26.320 Q: Is the compelling argument for transducers is that it's a better abstraction? -"""]]<div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-transducers">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers--main--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers--main.vtt">Download --answers--main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (57MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 25:24 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-transducers">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers--main--chapters.vtt">Download --answers--main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers--main.vtt">Download --answers--main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-transducers--transducers-finally-ergonomic-data-processing-for-emacs--colin-woodbury--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (57MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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