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I mean, you didn't decide + +00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.639 +to go first. It's mostly the time zone for you which decided + +00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:28.919 +for you because I believe you are in Japan, correctly. Yeah, + +00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:33.039 +exactly. So I'm living there now and it's very late. It's + +00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:37.319 +really funny to see everyone saying good morning in the + +00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:39.959 +chat. It's always the same for me. So personally, I'm in + +00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.959 +France. So for me, it's only 3 p.m. For you, it's probably 9 or + +00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.959 +10 p.m. if I'm correct. Already 11 here, yeah. It's already + +00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:53.519 +11, so thank you for staying up so late for us. And how about we + +00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.639 +just get started with the questions because you've just + +00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.239 +presented something that is very dear to my heart, which is + +00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.959 +writing academic paper with Org Mode, which is, for the + +00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:05.279 +record, how I got started with Org Roam and stuff like this. + +00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.799 +So, unless you've got anything else to add on top of your + +00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:11.839 +presentation that wasn't able to fit in, I suggest we just + +00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:16.559 +start taking questions. All right. So yeah, right now I'm + +00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.439 +reading the question from IRC and also from the pad. So I + +00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:23.159 +guess I'm gonna take what's already written there. + +NOTE Q: I'd be interested how to start this journey of writing academic papers in Org-Roam when not having used Emacs Org-Mode yet? Thanks! + +00:01:23.160 --> 00:01:27.359 +So the first one is asking, I'd be interested in how to start this + +00:01:27.360 --> 00:01:30.239 +journey to write academic paper in org-roam when not having + +00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:36.639 +used Emacs org mode yet. So I saw this one before and I guess it + +00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:43.039 +would be possible to do that, to use Org documents only + +00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.759 +as the way that you are writing papers. Maybe you can + +00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.959 +just use that as a template that you're going to export. + +00:01:51.960 --> 00:01:54.959 +If you are familiar with LaTeX, it's going to be more useful, + +00:01:54.960 --> 00:01:59.599 +and maybe more convenient to work with inside of + +00:01:59.600 --> 00:02:04.999 +Emacs. But then I'm not 100% sure if that's... How do you say + +00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:10.799 +that? Maybe, in my opinion, the benefits of using + +00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.679 +org-roam in that setup is that you can link the things. For + +00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:18.839 +me, I'm using the search function for org-roam to just + +00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.959 +navigate between the files. So that's really some, a good + +00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:26.119 +advantage, but like, yeah, that could be, like Leo said in + +00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.039 +the presentation, that's some, maybe that's something you + +00:02:28.040 --> 00:02:35.839 +can start using org-mode with to write papers. So yeah. + +NOTE Q: How about connecting Emacs Org-Roam to Zotero? Is that something you have experience with? + +00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.879 +Second question. So how about connecting Emacs or Roam + +00:02:38.880 --> 00:02:42.079 +to Zotero? Is that something that you have experience with? + +00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:47.119 +Not at all. Actually, I used briefly Zotero in the past and I + +00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:51.439 +really didn't like it or didn't really get into that. I don't + +00:02:51.440 --> 00:02:55.599 +know. But right now, + +NOTE Q: Out of curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it from inside Emacs, or using a separate program like Zotero? + +00:02:55.600 --> 00:03:00.319 +I don't connect that at all. The question after, out of + +00:03:00.320 --> 00:03:03.559 +curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it + +00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.519 +from inside Emacs or using a separate program, ex: Zotero? + +00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.119 +Because personally, I have struggled to do it from Emacs, + +00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.879 +though I have wanted to for some time. So the way I manage that + +00:03:13.880 --> 00:03:20.799 +is I just have a couple of .bib files that I edit by hand, where + +00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:25.359 +I put the reference when I find them. + +00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.599 +And yeah, I just showed very briefly in the presentation, + +00:03:28.600 --> 00:03:34.119 +but the way. + +00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:39.519 +One of the great thing with the org reference system is that + +00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:43.239 +if you have your bibliographic files that are connected to + +00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.959 +that system, you can just like, you can put the link, the + +00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.879 +reference to the paper, like click on it from your org note, + +00:03:51.880 --> 00:03:56.479 +and then you can open the PDF. You can open the DOI link to open + +00:03:56.480 --> 00:04:00.719 +the whatever publisher page. + +00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:10.159 +So no, I don't use Zotero and I just edit bib or bib files by + +00:04:10.160 --> 00:04:12.959 +hand in Emacs. + +00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.159 +I was just going to add something because you know + +00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:20.919 +org-roam-bibtex is actually one of the packages that I + +00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:25.279 +developed and I got it working with Zotero because for me it + +00:04:25.280 --> 00:04:28.839 +was convenient. I was studying humanities and for me it was + +00:04:28.840 --> 00:04:32.599 +very easy to connect reference taken in my browser with + +00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.799 +Zotero and just post-processing them a little bit but it is + +00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.279 +possible to make org-roam, org-roam-bibtex and Zotero + +00:04:40.280 --> 00:04:44.959 +work together. But it's a little bit of an involved process to + +00:04:44.960 --> 00:04:49.439 +get everything working in Emacs. + +00:04:49.440 --> 00:04:54.519 +Yeah, for sure. And + +00:04:54.520 --> 00:05:01.999 +yeah, I guess the way I'm doing it, I understand the appeal + +00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.839 +for having it integrated in the browser. Maybe + +00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:06.279 +that's something I should look up, actually, because right + +00:05:06.280 --> 00:05:09.359 +now I just like doing it very much by hand, like going on the + +00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:15.199 +publisher page and copying the bibtex block and + +00:05:15.200 --> 00:05:20.039 +just using putting that in my file. Yes, it can be not a very + +00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.359 +efficient workflow on that side. But after that, you're + +00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.599 +having the PDF and having it inside the note. + +00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.759 +Yeah, it's great. Yeah. To some extent, it kind of depends on + +00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:33.319 +the reference system that is used by the field in which you + +00:05:33.320 --> 00:05:36.279 +are or the university in which you're publishing. Because + +00:05:36.280 --> 00:05:39.519 +sometimes, you know, you're going to have some basic BibTeX + +00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:41.479 +file and sometimes you're going to have better BibTeX + +00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.959 +files. And those are very different metadata that you need + +00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:49.119 +to reconcile. And depending on which LaTeX compiler you're + +00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.439 +using, be it zLaTeX[??], be it regular LaTeX, lualatex, it's + +00:05:52.440 --> 00:05:55.439 +going to be all different. So it's a whole can of worms that + +00:05:55.440 --> 00:05:57.799 +I'm not sure we want to be opening now. But if you are + +00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.999 +interested and if you're not too attached about getting + +00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.679 +everything right, it's really easy to get started with + +00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.319 +stuff like org-roam-bibtex. It's supposed to get you + +00:06:06.320 --> 00:06:11.319 +most of the way down to a working setup. And if you need to get + +00:06:11.320 --> 00:06:14.359 +everything working down to the comma based on your + +00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.479 +reference system, that's going to be a little harder. But + +00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.439 +it's possible. I managed to do it and many people actually + +00:06:19.440 --> 00:06:22.599 +managed to do it. Okay, anyway, so let's move on to the next + +NOTE Q: How do you start a new document? + +00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:26.679 +question. All right, so the next question asking how do you + +00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.999 +start a new document? There are a lot of headers you have to + +00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.639 +set up. Do you use a template? I'm curious if you use your + +00:06:34.640 --> 00:06:38.839 +snippets to deal with all of these LaTeX org metacommands. + +00:06:38.840 --> 00:06:44.759 +So I don't use a snippets template of any kind for that. + +00:06:44.760 --> 00:06:47.279 +Probably I should. That's actually a good idea. I'm + +00:06:47.280 --> 00:06:51.279 +probably going to look into that. No, the way I do actually is + +00:06:51.280 --> 00:06:56.199 +I just reuse some previous documents. I copy it, delete all + +00:06:56.200 --> 00:07:01.439 +the contents and adjust it until it works the way I like. + +00:07:01.440 --> 00:07:09.679 +The main issue in general after that step is to make it work + +00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.999 +with the template I receive and Let's say if I have some + +00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:20.839 +template that needs to work with another LaTeX compiler, + +00:07:20.840 --> 00:07:26.599 +I'm probably going to try to copy an existing file that I have + +00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.959 +that uses the same compiler to save me some work. But yeah, + +00:07:30.960 --> 00:07:37.119 +no, I don't use any snippet or something. Probably I should, + +00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.879 +but I'm just doing it the quick and dirty way to just copy some + +00:07:40.880 --> 00:07:41.719 +existing thing. + +NOTE Q: What do you think of using citar with org-roam-bibtex? + +00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:48.319 +Then what do you think of citar with org-roam-bibtex? It seems + +00:07:48.320 --> 00:07:55.999 +that bibtex completion is tied to org-roam-bibtex. I don't + +00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:02.079 +know. I never really looked into citar that much. I + +00:08:02.080 --> 00:08:06.799 +don't know about that. I don't know either, so I'm not going + +00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:07.759 +to be able to help on this one. + +00:08:07.760 --> 00:08:17.119 +Because yeah, the bibtex completion is tied to the overall + +00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:24.799 +bibtex. I guess so. So what I'm interpreting, because I do, + +00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:30.039 +so BibTeX completion is the single motor that drives helm + +00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.719 +BibTeX and Ivy BibTeX. Perhaps there's another + +00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.679 +alternative now that is using the Vertico stack for + +00:08:35.680 --> 00:08:40.399 +completion. But org-roam-bibtex was interfacing with BibTeX + +00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:46.679 +completion to retrieve all the references from a bib file. + +00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:50.599 +and I assume citar would be something very similar in a way + +00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.039 +that it interfaces with a bib file, but I couldn't tell you + +00:08:54.040 --> 00:08:57.439 +more. I need to explore a little more and sadly I haven't + +00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.759 +touched any of this stack in like three years, so I'm a little + +00:09:00.760 --> 00:09:03.199 +out of touch. I guess this is what comes with leaving + +00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.519 +academia to go work as a corporate developer. I'm no longer + +00:09:07.520 --> 00:09:10.319 +so interested in the publishing process, even though I'm + +00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.799 +obviously very appreciative of people who still do, and + +00:09:12.800 --> 00:09:13.679 +especially people who use + +00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:20.239 +Yeah, same here. I definitely going to look into the citar + +00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.399 +package to see what's possible. Maybe can be using in some + +00:09:23.400 --> 00:09:26.319 +way that is useful for me. Yeah. + +NOTE Q: Most academic journals insist that papers are formatted in their own custom LaTeX documentclass. Does org-roam make it easy to do that? + +00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.919 +And if I go to the next question, so most academic journal + +00:09:30.920 --> 00:09:33.639 +insist that paper are formatted in their own custom LaTeX + +00:09:33.640 --> 00:09:38.199 +document class. Does org-roam make it easy to do that? The + +00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:43.239 +answer is no. That's mostly what I was presenting in the + +00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:44.279 +slide. + +00:09:44.280 --> 00:09:50.839 +Actually, that's also why I made the presentation, because + +00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:59.759 +if someone has a solution, I would gladly take it. No, the way + +00:09:59.760 --> 00:10:05.079 +I do it is that I have to add a I don't have that on top of my head. + +00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:10.599 +plus. Yeah, exactly. So I just make a custom class with the + +00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:16.159 +name of the latex template. In general, I think people use + +00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:19.359 +that to redefine like stuff like section and subsection, + +00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:24.279 +but for me, I just, it shows in the slide where I just map the + +00:10:24.280 --> 00:10:27.239 +section to the same section. I just changed the name of the + +00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:33.719 +class. And this way it allows to import the, the CLS and then + +00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.079 +the rest is just like putting the tech template that is + +00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:48.519 +provided either in headers, in LaTeX headers at the top or + +00:10:48.520 --> 00:10:56.079 +Yeah, or just on a LaTeX block in the body of the document if + +00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:02.039 +that's needed, for example, for the acknowledgement. + +00:11:02.040 --> 00:11:05.759 +Sometimes they need some different formatting, but no, + +00:11:05.760 --> 00:11:09.079 +it's not really easy because it needs to modify some + +00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.359 +configuration in Unix to do that. Then after that, a little + +00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.719 +bit like manually adapt the templates into your org notes. + +00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.799 +So that's a little bit some upfront work to do. But once it's + +00:11:18.800 --> 00:11:22.159 +done, your notes are going to be exported exactly like the + +00:11:22.160 --> 00:11:27.319 +template and you don't have to worry about it. Yeah, it's an + +00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:32.679 +interesting topic because the thing about, on one side, you + +00:11:32.680 --> 00:11:36.159 +know, you want to have, when you're using LaTeX, it kind of + +00:11:36.160 --> 00:11:39.359 +translates into you caring a lot about the document that you + +00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.879 +produce. Either you care about how quickly you can turn a + +00:11:42.880 --> 00:11:46.719 +plain text document into a very nicely formatted PDF at the + +00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.239 +end, or, you know, you just care about the output of your + +00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.439 +documents, making sure that everything is properly + +00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.039 +formatted. We were talking about references just before, + +00:11:57.040 --> 00:12:00.239 +you know, the formatting rule for references are highly + +00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.319 +dependent upon the manual that you're using and, you know, + +00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.159 +some people really care about this. And what I found in my + +00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:09.799 +particular experience, my own personal experience + +00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:15.199 +writing for academia, was that I was more in the latter crowd + +00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.839 +that really cared about the output format and making sure + +00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.599 +everything was correct and it's really a struggle to get + +00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.519 +everything working especially when you're transpiling + +00:12:23.520 --> 00:12:27.199 +from Org Mode documents straight into LaTeX. You're + +00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.119 +obviously going to be resorting to a number of hacks to get + +00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.439 +everything working like Vincent just mentioned with the + +00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.519 +class or you're going to end up with many imported files just + +00:12:36.520 --> 00:12:39.999 +to get everything working, but really you're fighting + +00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.839 +against the tide if you want to get something a little + +00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.759 +different from what is shipping with Walmart. Maybe + +00:12:45.760 --> 00:12:48.479 +everything has gotten better since I was writing my papers, + +00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:53.879 +but generally... Kindly disagree. Yeah, go on. I kindly + +00:12:53.880 --> 00:12:57.159 +disagree. I actually, I'm surprised that a lot of template + +00:12:57.160 --> 00:13:00.679 +is so complex that you don't just change the document class, + +00:13:00.680 --> 00:13:03.359 +but also need to do something else. I'd say it's rather + +00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.919 +uncommon. I guess it depends on the area of your search. + +00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:12.599 +Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's it. It just needs CLS and + +00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:17.559 +that's all. Yeah, but it really depends on, as you said, on + +00:13:17.560 --> 00:13:19.639 +the field in which you're publishing. Some fields are a + +00:13:19.640 --> 00:13:22.599 +little more lax with their rules. And just the fact that you + +00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.479 +can introduce mathematic formulas kind of makes LaTeX the + +00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.919 +de facto for publishing math documents. But when you're + +00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:33.599 +doing humanities, they're more attached to other kinds of + +00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.879 +formatting. So I think things are much better, anyway, + +00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:42.919 +since I started five years ago. Oh, yeah. I have heard from + +00:13:42.920 --> 00:13:46.639 +humanities people Microsoft Word. Yes. Sadly, that's the + +00:13:46.640 --> 00:13:51.879 +format we're fighting against. Yeah. As for document, + +00:13:51.880 --> 00:13:57.079 +yeah, for LaTeX classes, it is a customization and it is the + +00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.319 +right way to customize this thing, that's all. I'm not sure + +00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.999 +why it's a hack. It's not a hack. It's an actual user + +00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:08.959 +customization. Right. So, we've got about four more + +00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.559 +minutes of question. Vincent, we've got a couple of Yeah. So + +00:14:13.560 --> 00:14:15.319 +I've got a little voice talking in my ear telling me that + +00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:17.839 +exactly the same thing. So we've got about two more + +00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:21.159 +questions. Vincent, do you want to field them? Sure. So, are + +NOTE Q: Are you using zotra or org-ref? + +00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:27.799 +you using Zotra (sending some link) or org-ref? No, I don't. + +00:14:27.800 --> 00:14:31.879 +I've never heard of Zotra, actually. Looking that very + +00:14:31.880 --> 00:14:34.639 +briefly. That's something I'm going to have to look into. + +00:14:34.640 --> 00:14:38.519 +Apparently, the short for Zotero translator, so that might + +00:14:38.520 --> 00:14:41.759 +be something useful for me since I'm not using Zotero yet, + +00:14:41.760 --> 00:14:45.119 +maybe trying to combine. But no, I've never really tried + +NOTE Q: How much of this is tied to org-roam specifically? + +00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:52.519 +these, but I will. Then the last question, how much of this is + +00:14:52.520 --> 00:14:59.479 +tied to Org-roam specifically? Not a lot. Actually apart + +00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.959 +from the org-roam-bibtex, I think. + +00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:11.919 +Maybe I'm mixing up stuff there. But no, not a lot actually. + +00:15:11.920 --> 00:15:14.999 +It's just the fact that I'm using that as a in my org-roam + +00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:22.159 +system. But apart from that, most of, I mean, actually all of + +00:15:22.160 --> 00:15:27.519 +the exports can be done from a normal org-note or any other + +00:15:27.520 --> 00:15:31.799 +knowledge management system that you do with org-notes. So + +00:15:31.800 --> 00:15:34.119 +no, it's not specifically tied to org-roam, just that + +00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:38.399 +that's the way I'm using it. And I'm showing it this way, but + +00:15:38.400 --> 00:15:41.759 +yeah, actually the export process can be, can be done with, + +00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:49.839 +Yes, specifically tight work room. Yeah, just confirming + +00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:54.519 +this, the only way Org Roam intervenes into this process is + +00:15:54.520 --> 00:15:57.439 +just referencing + +00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.319 +bibliography elements. It just kind of intercedes a little + +00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.319 +bit between what Org Roam usually does. But when it comes to + +00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:08.759 +the exports to LaTeX and PDF eventually, that's completely + +00:16:08.760 --> 00:16:13.279 +deferring to org exports. So, ox-latex and all of this. So, + +00:16:13.280 --> 00:16:16.039 +we are not intervening in any way into this transpiling + +00:16:16.040 --> 00:16:20.719 +format. One comment. Yeah, I don't know if I imagine it is, + +00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:25.759 +but it looked from the slides that it was our graph was it. + +00:16:25.760 --> 00:16:35.439 +Sorry, that it was? org-ref, org-ref. + +00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:42.719 +Yes. Because it is a link system for citations. Built-in + +00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.359 +citations, which is, there is a built-in citation system in + +00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.639 +art mode. It uses, it doesn't use links. It has a special way + +00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:57.359 +to cite things. Yeah, because I believe, yeah, go on please, + +00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.519 +Vincent. No, I just wanted to say, in that case, I'm using the + +00:17:01.520 --> 00:17:10.119 +link with the cite command. I'm not using the org-roam link + +00:17:10.120 --> 00:17:14.079 +for the reference. I didn't really show that very + +00:17:14.080 --> 00:17:17.679 +carefully. But then, yeah, it's a site element that is + +00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.639 +exported. So the roam part is just like, you can access the + +00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:26.519 +org notes that you have attached to a reference paper. But + +00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:31.879 +that's it. Okay, because I was confused by why the + +00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:35.919 +bibliography is a link, why style is a link, because it is the + +00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:37.239 +approach org-ref uses. + +00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:47.839 +Ah, right. Okay, I see. Yeah, the thing is, actually I don't + +00:17:47.840 --> 00:17:52.159 +know why, but In my experience, using the org-roam, + +00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:57.599 +org-roam-bibtex links doesn't export or doesn't export + +00:17:57.600 --> 00:18:01.999 +properly. So like adding them with the org-ref-cite worked + +00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.359 +better. So that's, that's why I'm using these. If I may + +00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:07.439 +interject. If you're using org-ref-cite, you're using + +00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.319 +org-ref-for-export, which is slightly different. I'm + +00:18:11.320 --> 00:18:14.039 +going to interject very quickly because sadly we are a + +00:18:14.040 --> 00:18:15.919 +little pressed for time because we are heading into the next + +00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.559 +discussion. So just very quickly, if you want to continue + +00:18:18.560 --> 00:18:21.279 +the discussion, the BBB room is available at + +00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:24.319 +emacsconf-org. You can go to the talk and get the link to join + +00:18:24.320 --> 00:18:27.319 +the BBB. And the stream will be moving on to the next stream in + +00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:30.239 +about 5 to 10 seconds. So I'll see you on the other side. And + +00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:36.439 +thank you, Vincent. Thank you. All right, sorry for cutting + +00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.839 +a little abruptly. It's because we use crontabs to move to + +00:18:38.840 --> 00:18:42.519 +the next talk. And sadly, I don't have any leeway on this. So + +00:18:42.520 --> 00:18:45.279 +feel free to continue the discussion. I'll be moving on to + +00:18:45.280 --> 00:18:48.639 +make sure everything is working. So enjoy the discussion. + +00:18:48.640 --> 00:19:00.720 +Thank you very much. Bye-bye. |