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diff --git a/2023/talks/web.md b/2023/talks/web.md index 7a187888..da64489e 100644 --- a/2023/talks/web.md +++ b/2023/talks/web.md @@ -66,6 +66,79 @@ that someone will correct him and point him to fellow comrades fighting for user freedom in Oz. - [3] <https://g.ypei.me> +# Discussion + +## Questions and answers + +- Q: I like the idea of using org mode to display data from the web. + Are there many different packages that does that? (I am newish to + Emacs, so maybe this is obvious to everyone else.) + - A: dragestil uses roughly 10 packages that display data from the + web. Roughly half of them are org-mode based +- Q: Have you tried EAF (Emacs Application Framework) and its browser? + If yes, what is your opinion about it? + - A: No I haven\'t. My impression is it would run javascript by + default. Not sure whether it has any extensions to block js. A + nice comparison between different browsers including EAF, nyxt + and emacs-webkit can be found in the readme file of + <https://github.com/akirakyle/emacs-webkit> +- Q: I find the JavaScript trap almost impossible to avoid since I + like to buy used stuff online and use my online bank. How do you + deal with the JavaScript trap? I use NoScript and compromise on the + few things I really feel I cannot live wihtout. Eww is nice for a + lot of things, especially with R for less noise, but I need Firefox + for those JS-entrapped pages\... + - A: Unfortunately I don\'t have a solution for that. I run + nonfree javascript when doing banking or online shopping, though + in a more isolated environment (mullvad browser) with a VPN. + It\'s a tiny portion of my online activity (\<.1% I suppose), so + it\'s not \*that\* bad + - However, that does not mean emacs cannot help. woob has a few + clients interfacing with online banking, so perhaps at least + some banks allow the possibility of non-js client. It would be + good to look into this. +- Q: This is not really relevant to the talk, but I am curious about + your nickname. Do you have some connection to Norway? Your nick + indicates an interest in the architectural style inspired by the + decoration on viking ships that was popular in the early 20th + century. dragestil = dragon style + - A: dragestil is my favourite architectural style. Look at these + images on wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragestil> - + aren\'t they gorgeous? I\'ve only seen one of these famous ones + in real life, the Buksnes Church on Lofoten Islands. +- Thoughts about Nyxt; about its aims, its approach, its relevance, + etc.? + - Very early on, ran into issues with keybindings. More + specifically, some conflicts between binding j to follow-hint in + document mode and C-s/C-r to next-suggestion/previous-suggestion + in prompt buffer mode. Did not continue with trying nyxt because + keybindings are basic functionalities IMO. Might revisit + someday. nyxt has a noscript-mode btw that blocks javascript. A + nice comparison between different browsers including EAF, nyxt + and emacs-webkit can be found in the readme file of + <https://github.com/akirakyle/emacs-webkit> +- Q: so trying to understand, is emacs being used as a web proxy to scrub potentially privacy attacking JS? +- Q: Anyone else here has experimented with Nyxt? I haven't much, but can't say there's not an overlap with some of the ideas of Emacs and all. Just curious. + - Not the speaker: + - I recommend qutebrowser over nyxt. For me it was just easier to use, customize and has better user experience. + - I do/did too. But then it occurred to be that a very simple locally-loaded extension might very well be able to transform any of the major browsers into 99 + of Nyxt when paired with an Emacs backend (and websocket async bidirectional communication between the two)... (when said extension is made of a service worker part and a per-page part, to access both browser-level API/state, and page-level DOM, with just these two bits) e.g. could expose/present open tabs as pseudo-buffers (à la "virtual buffers/files"), candidates for completion, and such + +## Notes + +- mastorg for mastodon +- hacker news in org mode +- emacs-web-server for hosting things from Emacs +- Dang, this is really a great demo. +- I love how he's using org-mode to do it all. +- It might actually save the web! +- Emacs as a Firefox extension!!! Ha! +- Definitely some interesting ideas in that one, and the literate form is top-notch. Warrants a focused rewatch for me (back-n-forth between 2 talks is not conductive to my best focus it seems...) +- lounge-582, I *really* like Org-Babel as a bridge to make complex one-off tasks ("why did the stuff in the database get into this state?" type things, usually) reproduceable and version-controlled. + - Hear hear! Howard's talks over the years have converted me to do pretty much anything in Org-mode in literate form at this point :) +- I use org-babel for recurring tasks that I need to remember. Things I have to run once a month, etc. I guess I could use cron, but usually they aren't really time sensitive enough. Or they are things like clearing my mu4e trash, which requires that I quit mu4e. +- "It's not Emacs!" Ha! + + [[!inline pages="internal(2023/info/web-after)" raw="yes"]] |