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@@ -50,6 +50,86 @@ This talk is based on a recent publication with the same title
(Birkenkrahe, 2023; [doi.org/10.3390/digital3030015](https://doi.org/10.3390/digital3030015)).
+# Discussion
+
+## Feedback
+
+- at my company new helpdesk analysts seem to suffer from the same symptoms of not fully understanding comp architecture. I guess i will have to teach them emacs...
+- Very interesting talk, thank you!
+- Great talk, thanks.
+- Well done!
+- Very important point to teach CS: immersion. Nothing better than emacs for that.
+- Emacs is *great* for beginners (on CS): it makes them think programatically on their environment.
+
+## Notes
+
+- <https://www.mdpi.com/2673-6470/3/3/15>
+- Data Science: intersection of math, comp sci, domain knowledge
+- I like the idea you use this method to write every piece of your
+ code. It\'s so easy for me to just ask llm a piece of code, run it
+ and forget about it. I will try to improve this type of way to write
+ code.
+- Students were able to use Emacs competently with 1 week (did I hear
+ that right?) of practice
+ - This is quit counter-intuitive.
+ - I picked up Emacs 3 years ago, and through immersion was up to
+ previous competency parity in about a week or so.
+- Org Remark allows you to highlight in org mode documents, If you
+ pair that with org web tools you can highliht an offline web page
+ backup with highlights in org mode
+- CRDT.el \-- allows multiple people with their own emacs config to
+ edit a hosted Emacs buffer
+- Just use one of the Emacs chatgpt or other LLM interfaces instead of
+ leaving for Jupyter notebooks.
+- \"The AI advantage \[of Jupyter notebooks\] does not make up for the
+ loss of immersion that Emacs and Org-Mode provides.  \[Immersion is
+ a important\]\"
+
+## Questions and answers
+
+- Q: What tool(s) do you use for making your slides; they are very
+ nice.  Would be great to get a template.
+ - A: org-reveal
+- Q: Why MDPI? :)
+ - A:
+- Q: Do you think immersion can be achieve on teaching other students
+ with differnet backgrounds?
+ - A:
+ - yeh, exactly, kinda risky for young teacher.
+ - Actually, may depend on the uni. AFAIK, MIT style they
+ promote is full of workshops/handson classes with more
+ limited lectures.
+- Q: Do some of your students nag you about using VSCode? I teach
+ simple programming at a vocational school and even after showing the
+ students vim, Emacs and nano and telling them that I prefer Emacs
+ and also showing them code inside code blocks in Org mode and using
+ Emacs in every class I teach, they still all chose VSCode as their
+ editor. (I let them choose.) It seems like they are brainwashed
+ somehow\... Is the success in the obligatory use of Emacs?
+ - A: I observe the same behavior
+ - \"The arguments from beginners for VS Code aren\'t strong\";
+ appreciate the fact that immersion is the goal and the
+ constraints of Emacs as required pushes towards immersion. 
+ (Thank you for your answer!)
+ - Having more tutorials on Emacs/Org mode would be most welcome
+ (yantar92 aka Org contributor)
+ - If you make more videos, share them on
+ [[https://orgmode.org/worg/]{.underline}](https://orgmode.org/worg/)
+- Q: I\'m curious about your approach to handling EDA, particularly
+ with wide datasets that have numerous columns. Given the constraints
+ of Emacs which might not be optimal for viewing large tables, could
+ you share how you navigate and explore such datasets efficiently? Do
+ you integrate any specific Emacs tools or external methods to
+ streamline this process?
+ - A:
+ - I know that John Kitchin is working with remote DFT
+ calculations - Tbs of data to visualize.
+- Q: Do you have a startup emacs configuration for your students?
+ - A:
+- Q: (from chat) Fantastic talk, thank you. I realise that it will be
+ difficult to provide an accurate answer, but what proportion of your
+ students do you think will keep on using Emacs after your courses?
+
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