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E.g. would I + see it if I change to fundamental-mode? + - A: Summarizing: if it's an explicit button the metadata is in a + different file in the same directory, ".hypb". If it's an + implicit button, no, no metadata in the buffer; such buttons + have no metadata, Hyperbole creates all of the button properties + from the existing text in the buffer. +- Q: Is it possible to link to a file by its ID (denote, Org ID, or + some similar unique string inside)? + - A: +- Q: Re: the frames example: any thoughts or consideration for a + transient interface? Or, is this something one could already toggle? + - A: Hyperbole predates many of the newer features and packages + and Emacs but they integrate as they find them useful for + Hyperbole. They think the current minibuffer menu is pretty good + and don't have plans to have a transient menu +- Q: Re: multi-file search functionality. Why not implementing it + within the existing framework of M-x grep or similar built-in + commands? Yet another search interface sounds a bit redundant. + - A: + - The point is: why not upstream search interface? +- Q: + - A: +- Q: Hyperbole's been around for a number of years now. What + inspired you to write it back around the time of its birth? + - A: Born before the Web. The Web was born in the middle of a + Hyperbole version's development. Seemed like an explosion of + unstructured information was imminent, e.g. needing to deal with + many emails, non-database-structured info. Needed a general + system that could work with other general systems like emails, + document production. Was researching at a university on + "Personalized Information Environments" (PIEs). PIEs was an + architecture with managers (like Hyperbole) and point tools that + would leverage the managers (e.g. an email reader as a point + tool to leverage the hypertext manager). Wrote a Gmail-like + system years before Gmail (also similar to Rmail). Allowed + buttons embedded in Rmail drawn from the subject of the email + message. Rule-based processing was included, etc. +- Are you familiar with embark package? I think there is some + overlapping functionality with Hyperbole. + - A: Yes, recently started using it. Have talked to oantolin + (Omar Antolin Camarena), the author. Thinks that Embark and + Hyperbole are compatible, much like Hyperbole and Org are. All + of these tools can be used together well. +- Q: Wow. What you are describing now reminds me a lot about HyperCard + that I grew up on. Do you know if Hyperbole inspired Bill Atkinson + or if you were inspired by HyperCard? Or were there just a lot of + thought about hypercontextuality around that time? + - A: Bob's research on PIEs was seen by Apple and helped to + inspire their work on the Newton, which later also inspired the + iPhone, et al. +- Q: Is it possible to only use one feature of hyperbole without the + others (i.e. using only the implicit/explicit buttons without + hycontrol, hyrolo...)? (without having to rewrite part of the code + in hyperbole) in order to be able to load a smaller hyperbole + (hyperbole is now quite large). +- Q: Is there a link to the video for this talk? I woke up too late for + it! It was done live, so the recording will be added after the + conference organizers have time. + - Should now be up at <https://emacsconf.org/2023/talks/hyperamp> + +- thanks bob i heard about hyperbole long time ago now it is time to revisit with this beautiful presentation +- nice presentation, bob! +- no metadata no problemo +- Q: for anyone who uses hyperbole is there a way to delimit a button like you create text that is shaped like a button but you don't want it to be a button? +- i'm intersted in hyperbole it's on my todo list of looking into for emacs stuff +- Great talk thank you bob! +- thanks for showing hyperbole, always been curious about it. makes me think there's an overlap with ffap, hyperbole and even treesitter in a way +- i'm going to look into hyperbole for sure now. it's been on my to do list +- Bob has a long history of doing impressive work :) +- I didn't know about rsw other packages, look at that <http://ftp.ntua.gr/mirror/python/workshops/1996-06/papers/h.pasanen/oobr4.html> + + +[[!inline pages="internal(2023/info/hyperamp-after)" raw="yes"]] + +[[!inline pages="internal(2023/info/hyperamp-nav)" raw="yes"]] + + |