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diff --git a/2023/info/adventure-after.md b/2023/info/adventure-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4a5d4f30 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/adventure-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="adventure-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm going to give you a little demo""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a project that I'm working on""" start="00:00:04.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is called the `orgdungeon`.""" start="00:00:06.440" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see here, they are just a bunch of Org files""" start="00:00:09.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also an Emacs Lisp file.""" start="00:00:16.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I found is that if you have these Org files""" start="00:00:20.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have an Emacs Lisp file as a source""" start="00:00:26.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to control how to progress from one file to another,""" start="00:00:30.920" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will give you a game-like experience.""" start="00:00:36.880" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like the old game Myst.""" start="00:00:40.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was developed with the technology""" start="00:00:43.480" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""HyperCard for the Macintosh.""" start="00:00:46.120" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, it uses a similar technology,""" start="00:00:48.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so a similar interface to the developer""" start="00:00:53.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who was using that technology to develop the game.""" start="00:00:57.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Concretely, I'm going to give you""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a demo of how the game looks like.""" start="00:01:03.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this is a very vanilla Emacs setup.""" start="00:01:08.880" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I open up the first Org file.""" start="00:01:14.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Org file is just a bunch of text,""" start="00:01:18.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it tells you a story.""" start="00:01:22.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you wake up somewhere,""" start="00:01:25.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then there is a dog-like robot called Emi around you.""" start="00:01:27.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it tells you what you should do.""" start="00:01:32.600" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Following the instructions...""" start="00:01:37.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, here it tells you""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down there is one thing called "code block,"""" start="00:01:42.720" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can evaluate it by pressing `C-c C-c`.""" start="00:01:46.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can just go there""" start="00:01:51.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then just evaluate the code block.""" start="00:01:53.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So technically it just runs the Emacs Lisp file,""" start="00:01:55.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you can see here, if you load Emacs Lisp...""" start="00:02:00.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just evaluates that Emacs Lisp file.""" start="00:02:05.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just say `C-c C-c`.""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then for this one, I just say yes,""" start="00:02:09.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it will jump to another file.""" start="00:02:12.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the game, I call it the plane.""" start="00:02:16.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it jumps to another plane.""" start="00:02:18.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so...""" start="00:02:21.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the other one, it's just saying that""" start="00:02:24.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a function called `emi-escape-10`.""" start="00:02:26.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assuming that you don't have any experience""" start="00:02:29.880" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to use Emacs,""" start="00:02:33.480" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you have no idea how to do that,""" start="00:02:34.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but down there, it's saying that""" start="00:02:38.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a key combination called `C-h f`,""" start="00:02:41.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will bring up the help system.""" start="00:02:44.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can read the help file of `emi-escape-10`.""" start="00:02:48.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just do that. For example, `C-h f`""" start="00:02:52.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then `describe-function` `emi-escape-10` here.""" start="00:02:55.740" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will show you the help file.""" start="00:03:03.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it's just saying that you can press `M-x`,""" start="00:03:06.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Meta usually mapped to Alt,""" start="00:03:10.920" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then yeah.""" start="00:03:13.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can just close this help file using `C-x 1`.""" start="00:03:15.080" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to do that. And then yeah...""" start="00:03:18.720" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just try that. `M-x` and then `emi-escape-10`.""" start="00:03:21.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right.""" start="00:03:31.480" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""emi-escape-12""" start="00:03:33.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So I will jump to another file.""" start="00:03:33.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or in the game, you jump to another plane.""" start="00:03:36.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now you know that""" start="00:03:39.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a function called `emi-escape-12`.""" start="00:03:40.339" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, you can just do that `emi`,""" start="00:03:44.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you learned it previously, right.""" start="00:03:47.639" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emi-escape-12`.""" start="00:03:50.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this time, it asks you for a password,""" start="00:03:52.080" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you probably don't know, right?""" start="00:03:55.120" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you just type in anything,""" start="00:03:57.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will just say incorrect password.""" start="00:03:59.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, it's part of the learning experience""" start="00:04:02.720" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because previously you learned""" start="00:04:06.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you should use the help file,""" start="00:04:07.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""help system to read the help file of a function,""" start="00:04:10.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can just use the help file""" start="00:04:16.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to look for the help of `emi-escape-12`.""" start="00:04:18.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, yeah, the help file will say that""" start="00:04:25.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you should enter a password,""" start="00:04:29.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the password is `emi`.""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. So you can just do that.""" start="00:04:34.160" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Write `emi-escape-12`,""" start="00:04:36.440" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then now you know the password is `emi`. Right.""" start="00:04:42.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The rest of the game""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So you can progress along these different files,""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then if you...""" start="00:04:51.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, it's like a game,""" start="00:04:53.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but at the same time, it also teaches you""" start="00:04:54.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something about how Emacs works.""" start="00:04:57.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, like the previous one,""" start="00:05:01.680" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know how to use the help file, for example,""" start="00:05:04.600" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in the later part, you will learn how to""" start="00:05:07.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""evaluate some Emacs Lisp code""" start="00:05:11.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also how to write some Emacs Lisp code""" start="00:05:14.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well, and then you will learn""" start="00:05:17.160" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the difference between interactive commands""" start="00:05:19.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also just ordinary functions, for example.""" start="00:05:23.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I just created a few Org files,""" start="00:05:27.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm actively adding more Org files""" start="00:05:31.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can have a complete kind of""" start="00:05:36.440" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""educational experience.""" start="00:05:39.600" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to follow along [with] this project,""" start="00:05:42.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just go to my Github repository.""" start="00:05:45.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you enjoyed this little demo.""" start="00:05:51.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:05:56.540" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/adventure-nav.md b/2023/info/adventure-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..95382fff --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/adventure-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/uni">Authoring and presenting university courses with Emacs and a full libre software stack</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/collab-after.md b/2023/info/collab-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..de166231 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/collab-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,423 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="collab-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Welcome to our presentation,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Collaborative Data Processing""" start="00:00:01.875" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Documenting using org-babel.""" start="00:00:03.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Lukas Bossert, and I'm""" start="00:00:06.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the RWTH Aachen University""" start="00:00:07.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the city of Aachen, Germany.""" start="00:00:09.741" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: And my name is Jonathan Hartmann.""" start="00:00:12.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also from the IT Center here at RWTH Aachen.""" start="00:00:14.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Great.""" start="00:00:18.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we will show you today how you""" start="00:00:19.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can use Org Mode for data processing.""" start="00:00:21.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see a little workflow what we are going to do.""" start="00:00:25.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, we will give you a slight introduction to Org Mode.""" start="00:00:28.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we will dive into the part of data preparing.""" start="00:00:31.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, you're going to query the data using the language SPARQL.""" start="00:00:34.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we're going to clean it using a different language.""" start="00:00:38.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in the main part of our presentation,""" start="00:00:41.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to do the data processing, first aggregating""" start="00:00:44.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Python, later on counting items using Org,""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even visualizing it using R. At the end,""" start="00:00:52.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to show you how to preserve""" start="00:00:56.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the data and the document and its documentation,""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first doing in plain exporting, then adding some metadata,""" start="00:01:01.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and showing you two different ways, first a manual export,""" start="00:01:06.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also then a batch-processed export.""" start="00:01:09.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right.""" start="00:01:13.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's dive in to that.""" start="00:01:14.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Org Mode""" start="00:01:16.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Jonathan, can you give us an introduction about Org Mode?""" start="00:01:16.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Of course.""" start="00:01:19.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in case anyone isn't familiar with it,""" start="00:01:20.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode, in the words of Carsten Dominik,""" start="00:01:23.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is back to the future for plain text.""" start="00:01:25.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is just a module available for Emacs,""" start="00:01:28.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plain-text base.""" start="00:01:31.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been around since 2003, which""" 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Org Mode.""" start="00:01:53.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an Org Mode presentation.""" start="00:01:55.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do single source publishing,""" start="00:01:57.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we will do later on, and also""" start="00:01:59.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literate programming, which is the core of our talk.""" start="00:02:01.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK.""" start="00:02:06.480" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: So let me stop this presentation here.""" start="00:02:07.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what you see here is the plain text underneath it.""" start="00:02:10.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is Org Mode.""" 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Great.""" start="00:02:41.201" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that.""" start="00:02:42.561" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I do, I'm using Doom Emacs.""" start="00:02:43.281" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can use the `SPC` and then the `l`""" start="00:02:46.181" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the live share/collab part.""" start="00:02:49.308" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can use the `s` for share current buffer.""" start="00:02:52.141" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when I do this, I'm getting asked for some settings.""" start="00:02:58.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going with the default settings here.""" start="00:03:01.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So default port, no password, and my 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Right.""" start="00:03:29.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK.""" start="00:03:29.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now on my screen, I'm going to do a `SPC l c` for connect.""" start="00:03:30.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to paste the URL""" start="00:03:37.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Lukas just sent me in here.""" start="00:03:38.741" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Default port, no password.""" start="00:03:40.980" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're connecting now.""" start="00:03:43.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this takes a second just to get us synced up.""" start="00:03:45.700" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can work on the same document at the same time.""" 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start="00:06:15.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Just so it's a little easier for us to manage.""" start="00:06:16.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to run that again.""" start="00:06:18.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go.""" start="00:06:20.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That looks a little better.""" start="00:06:21.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: I think that's fine.""" start="00:06:22.320" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""50 items is fine.""" start="00:06:23.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what do we see here, Jonathan?""" start="00:06:25.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Data cleaning""" start="00:06:27.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for now, it's a little more interesting""" start="00:06:48.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we go and remove them.""" start="00:06:50.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to create a new cell.""" start="00:06:52.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lukas, if you don't mind starting one for data cleaning.""" start="00:06:55.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Oh, yeah.""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Good point.""" start="00:06:58.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, data cleaning.""" start="00:06:59.480" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK.""" start="00:07:02.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you want to do that, Jonathan?""" 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video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's really good.""" start="00:07:51.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We got rid of all the Q items.""" start="00:07:52.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very good.""" start="00:07:55.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we just have two-column table: institutions""" start="00:07:55.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and consortia.""" start="00:07:59.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice.""" start="00:08:02.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Processing""" start="00:08:04.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's come to our main part, doing some processing.""" start="00:08:04.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me give you a headline here, 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start="00:08:49.008" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""create a data frame out of our input,""" start="00:08:51.308" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then aggregate it, grouping on `wLabel`,""" start="00:08:54.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and getting a count from that and returning it.""" start="00:08:57.480" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we execute that cell...""" start="00:08:59.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Nice, we get institutions and a count.""" start="00:09:05.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what about not ordering it by the alphabet,""" start="00:09:08.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but more like ordering by counts?""" start="00:09:14.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Sure.""" 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video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Great.""" start="00:09:42.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Very good.""" start="00:09:43.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, that's nice.""" start="00:09:44.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We get a good overview here.""" start="00:09:46.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But can we also do something else,""" start="00:09:48.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like counting how many institutions are""" start="00:09:50.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""involved in one consortium?""" start="00:09:56.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also using this later on in the text?""" start="00:09:57.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Sure, so I'm going to put a new...""" start="00:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you give me another heading down here""" start="00:10:00.881" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for institutions per consortium...""" start="00:10:05.041" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we're going to use awk code just to spice things up""" start="00:10:12.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add yet another language in here.""" start="00:10:16.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see this is awk.""" start="00:10:18.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're using standard in instead of defining a variable.""" start="00:10:22.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the really interesting thing about this cell""" start="00:10:26.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] 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start="00:11:42.608" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and writing my value, `NFDI4Objects`.""" start="00:11:46.608" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As soon as I evaluate this using `C-c C-c`,""" start="00:11:51.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get the result back here.""" start="00:11:58.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can do this even for more.""" start="00:12:00.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or in writing, `call_inst-count`, go with `NFDI4Earth`,""" start="00:12:05.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is another consortium.""" start="00:12:14.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-c C-c`, it's three institutions.""" start="00:12:16.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can be used throughout your text,""" start="00:12:20.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and as soon as the data set changes from in the beginning,""" start="00:12:23.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe different results requiring Wikidata,""" start="00:12:26.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this also will be updated once it's exported.""" start="00:12:30.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice, Jonathan.""" start="00:12:35.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Visualization""" start="00:12:36.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""But I think we did a lot of analysis""" start="00:12:36.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on text and counting things.""" start="00:12:38.975" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can we also do something more visual?""" 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/collab-nav.md b/2023/info/collab-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..55c61f3f --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/collab-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/nabokov">Why Nabokov would use Org-Mode if he were writing today</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/solo">How I play TTRPGs in Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/core-after.md b/2023/info/core-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..13fa508a --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/core-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1565 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="core-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""All right. Hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:02.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while. Well,""" start="00:00:03.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually, it's been like 2 minutes tops.""" start="00:00:04.839" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We were just with John Wheatley,""" start="00:00:07.819" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now we are with Stefan Krangas.""" start="00:00:09.099" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi. Hi. So as we said before,""" start="00:00:11.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan is co-maintainer now of Is it the""" start="00:00:16.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""entire Emacs project? How do you describe""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this? Yeah, co-maintainer of GNU Emacs.""" start="00:00:22.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, perfect. So you know what?""" start="00:00:27.439" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I'm sure everyone is dying to hear""" start="00:00:29.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything you've got to say in your""" start="00:00:32.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation I'm just going to shut up now""" start="00:00:33.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and leave the floor to you.""" start="00:00:36.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you need to share your screen or anything?""" start="00:00:37.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No. Okay great well I'll just cut my webcam""" start="00:00:40.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""off I'll still be in the background so do not""" start="00:00:45.239" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hesitate if you've got any problem I'm still""" start="00:00:47.059" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around And I'll see you just beacon whenever""" start="00:00:48.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're done. And I'll show up with the""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. All right? Thank you,""" start="00:00:53.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo. And thank you, everyone,""" start="00:00:56.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being here. I'm Stefan Kangas.""" start="00:00:58.739" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as Leo explained, I am recently appointed""" start="00:01:02.739" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a co-maintainer of GNU Emacs,""" start="00:01:06.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which a role that I'm fulfilling currently""" start="00:01:10.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Eli Sretsky, who's been co-maintainer""" start="00:01:13.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for quite some time. 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I can't tell you how excited""" start="00:01:34.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am to have this opportunity to address the""" start="00:01:39.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community in this way.""" start="00:01:45.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really humbled, of course,""" start="00:01:47.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be part of it, and to be able to serve the""" start="00:01:50.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community in this capacity.""" start="00:01:55.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've used Emacs, I think many of you might""" start="00:02:00.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also have used Emacs for quite some time,""" start="00:02:04.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm going on 2 decades as an Emacs user.""" start="00:02:06.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My involvement in Emacs Lisp development is,""" start="00:02:11.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, almost as long,""" start="00:02:14.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but my core development goes back only 4,""" start="00:02:16.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""5 years. 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Maybe Eli will have more for""" start="00:50:16.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last 3 years. Keep it simple.""" start="00:50:20.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks. Cool. Next question.""" start="00:50:25.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any plans to integrate XWM into core?""" start="00:50:28.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is a really good Winters manager.""" start="00:50:31.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's super cool. I think EXWM is cool.""" start="00:50:34.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think they need to upgrade to Wayland""" start="00:50:38.100" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somehow and that's not clear yet,""" start="00:50:40.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you know, we don't have any current plans""" start="00:50:41.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to integrate it, no. Right,""" start="00:50:44.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next question. Do you think it is a good idea""" start="00:50:49.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to choose Org Mode for writing documentation""" start="00:50:51.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of tech info? 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Thanks for that.""" start="00:51:33.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next question. What do you plan to work on in""" start="00:51:35.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Core in the future?""" start="00:51:38.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a little bit hesitant to reply to that.""" start="00:51:40.460" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course I have ideas.""" start="00:51:42.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course there are projects that I'm working""" start="00:51:43.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on. 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So I believe when they""" start="01:02:37.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encounter a bug, are people supposed to go to""" start="01:02:40.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""master to pull main and just to make sure""" start="01:02:43.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they are on the latest version.""" start="01:02:47.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is this something that you require?""" start="01:02:48.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't require that,""" start="01:02:50.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we do try to encourage you to reproduce""" start="01:02:51.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it on master if we think that it matters.""" start="01:02:54.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so if you can, that's even better.""" start="01:02:57.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if the bug is there in Emacs 29,""" start="01:03:01.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe we want to fix it in Emacs 29.2.""" start="01:03:03.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the latest point release is also fine.""" start="01:03:06.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bugs in Emacs 28 at this point,""" start="01:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the previous major version,""" start="01:03:12.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might ask you to try to reproduce it on""" start="01:03:15.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 29 because we're not planning more""" start="01:03:17.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""releases of old major versions.""" start="01:03:19.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's the fundamental reason for that.""" start="01:03:21.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. Thank you for your answer.""" start="01:03:24.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Moving on to the next question.""" start="01:03:25.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On branching off sub-threads,""" start="01:03:27.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I note that they are less visible compared to""" start="01:03:29.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting a new thread in practice.""" start="01:03:31.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am wondering if it is just my impression or""" start="01:03:33.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something devs also observe.""" start="01:03:35.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's true. That's correct.""" start="01:03:37.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what to do about it.""" start="01:03:41.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want more visibility,""" start="01:03:42.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess just start a new thread.""" start="01:03:44.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know. I can only agree,""" start="01:03:47.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really. I concur. That's true.""" start="01:03:48.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Next question. What about rewriting""" start="01:03:51.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs in Rust? Use Guile instead of Elisp.""" start="01:03:54.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Multi-threaded Emacs. Make Emacs prettier and""" start="01:03:57.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shiny. And of course, same defaults.""" start="01:03:59.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just kidding. We are spoiled children because""" start="01:04:02.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you and Eli, Lars, and etc do an impressive""" start="01:04:04.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""work. I live in Emacs since 2001.""" start="01:04:08.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks. That was a good 1.""" start="01:04:11.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sane defaults. Okay, Well,""" start="01:04:14.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you. Thanks for that comment.""" start="01:04:18.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That made me chuckle. Next question by the""" start="01:04:20.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same person, I assume.""" start="01:04:23.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only downside I see with copyright""" start="01:04:24.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""assignment is that 1 has to disclose their""" start="01:04:26.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""real identity. Would it be a possibility to""" start="01:04:28.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""assign a copyright under a nickname?""" start="01:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you don't have to say a real name.""" start="01:04:33.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just register some pseudonym.""" start="01:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The FSF does need your real name,""" start="01:04:37.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's kept private only.""" start="01:04:39.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So feel free to reach out to assign at""" start="01:04:41.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gnu.org and ask more about that.""" start="01:04:45.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. All right, next question.""" start="01:04:49.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think it is possible to reach an""" start="01:04:51.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agreement on sane defaults for better""" start="01:04:53.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out-of-the-box experience?""" start="01:04:55.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so your sane is not my sane""" start="01:04:57.800" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""necessarily. So that's the fundamental""" start="01:05:00.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem that we're discussing here.""" start="01:05:01.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's a social,""" start="01:05:02.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not a technical problem.""" start="01:05:03.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do change defaults sometimes,""" start="01:05:05.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I mean, there is also some staying power.""" start="01:05:07.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's understandable that,""" start="01:05:09.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, it's, we can't just change them""" start="01:05:12.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""willy nilly and then flip flop between,""" start="01:05:13.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, 1 or the other kind of thing.""" start="01:05:15.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it does take a little bit more time.""" start="01:05:18.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, sure, we can.""" start="01:05:20.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do change defaults at times.""" start="01:05:23.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's perhaps more slower than what some""" start="01:05:26.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people would prefer, for sure.""" start="01:05:29.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's, yeah. Right,""" start="01:05:31.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all right. We have 2 more questions.""" start="01:05:36.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So will XWidgets have a future?""" start="01:05:37.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Seeing the new bugs popping up in the latest""" start="01:05:40.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""XWidget dev. Not sure if there was the rest""" start="01:05:42.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the question, But on XWidgets,""" start="01:05:45.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can you tell us a little more?""" start="01:05:46.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not really following now.""" start="01:05:48.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I'm not seeing a lot of development""" start="01:05:50.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on XWidgets currently.""" start="01:05:52.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people have done work in fixing up a few""" start="01:05:54.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bugs, but I think that feature really needs""" start="01:05:57.100" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more love. So I think we need,""" start="01:06:00.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, help is welcome,""" start="01:06:02.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""patch is welcome. That's what I can say about""" start="01:06:03.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. All right, and our final question of""" start="01:06:05.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the day. Have you voted for Emacs as the""" start="01:06:11.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software of the year on the Tuxes by Jupyter""" start="01:06:13.140" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Broadcasting? I did because Emacs 29 is""" start="01:06:15.140" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Thank you. Okay,""" start="01:06:17.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, good job voting.""" start="01:06:19.300" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't know, I don't know what Tuxy is on""" start="01:06:20.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jupyter broadcasting, but look it up and go""" start="01:06:22.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""vote. So I wish I could tell you,""" start="01:06:25.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I assume with Tux, it might be something""" start="01:06:28.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""related to Linux, but that's as much as I can""" start="01:06:29.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say. All right, well, Stefan,""" start="01:06:32.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much for taking the time not""" start="01:06:34.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only to do a wonderful presentation,""" start="01:06:36.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for answering all the questions of""" start="01:06:38.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community. Do you have anything else to""" start="01:06:39.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add? Just really thanks for all the questions""" start="01:06:41.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks for staying.""" start="01:06:45.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a long day, a long conference,""" start="01:06:47.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thanks for staying and listening to my""" start="01:06:49.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk as well. Really appreciate it.""" start="01:06:51.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate the good work you guys are doing""" start="01:06:52.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the scenes, organizing,""" start="01:06:54.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setting everything up.""" start="01:06:55.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And really humbled to be a part of this""" start="01:06:57.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community. So thank you all.""" start="01:07:00.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well I can assure you that no 1 either in the""" start="01:07:02.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organization team or the people watching now""" start="01:07:05.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""felt like it was tiring to stay and listen to""" start="01:07:08.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your answers. So thank you so much Stefan.""" start="01:07:10.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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Online, I go by wasamasa.""" start="00:00:10.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm 31 years old. I work in information security,""" start="00:00:13.680" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I do consulting and hacking""" start="00:00:18.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like figuring out""" start="00:00:20.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to break into other people's computers""" start="00:00:22.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to secure their systems basically.""" start="00:00:25.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can reach me by email.""" start="00:00:29.360" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have a self-hosted code repository thingy going on.""" start="00:00:31.440" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a blog, and you can find me""" start="00:00:36.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in some other places online, like IRC for example.""" start="00:00:40.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So about the talk itself,""" start="00:00:45.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to be into the Rubik's cube when I was in school.""" start="00:00:48.680" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I forgot about it, though,""" start="00:00:52.840" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because these cubes were not very good.""" start="00:00:54.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Recently I did find some cheap looking cube at a shop.""" start="00:00:56.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Did not pay terribly much for it.""" start="00:01:02.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was so, so much better than my old cube,""" start="00:01:04.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was unreal.""" start="00:01:07.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This motivated me to get back into""" start="00:01:08.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this really weird kind of hobby.""" start="00:01:11.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this, you need to be good at producing""" start="00:01:13.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a truly random scramble""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and timing your attempts to get any better at it.""" start="00:01:19.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is, of course, existing software""" start="00:01:22.320" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do the scrambling for you and the recording""" start="00:01:23.720" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the timekeeping and such,""" start="00:01:26.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but all the good options seem to be either web or mobile,""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example the cstimer software""" start="00:01:31.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the twisty-timer app on Android.""" start="00:01:33.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Cubing in Emacs""" start="00:01:35.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""To my surprise, I did not find a single decent option""" start="00:01:35.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside Emacs, so this is basically a case study""" start="00:01:39.320" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to do better. For this, I wanted to make use of""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the cool new Emacs features that appeared,""" start="00:01:45.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the SVG library; Transient,""" start="00:01:47.800" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the library used for the Magit-style interfaces;""" start="00:01:50.880" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the recently added sqlite-mode.""" start="00:01:53.600" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And most importantly it was about having fun.""" start="00:01:56.440" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Prior art""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So here's a full list of prior art,""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will not go into detail about this,""" start="00:02:02.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically we have things solving""" start="00:02:04.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very different parts of this,""" start="00:02:06.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not all of it. For example: we have several,""" start="00:02:08.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have a timer. We have several solvers.""" start="00:02:10.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some scramblers.""" start="00:02:14.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some whole-cube simulators, including a 3D one.""" start="00:02:16.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have something for making it easier""" start="00:02:19.360" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to enter your algorithms in the notation.""" start="00:02:20.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But nothing that does all of those things in one package,""" start="00:02:23.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which kind of surprised me.""" start="00:02:25.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I present the `wca-prep` package.""" start="00:02:28.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The name""" start="00:02:32.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So the name, I found it difficult""" start="00:02:32.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to come up with a good name and so I looked""" start="00:02:35.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I saw, well there's this World Cube Association""" start="00:02:39.960" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that holds these competitions where you compete.""" start="00:02:42.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do this for the Rubik's cube""" start="00:02:46.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also a few others,""" start="00:02:47.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's like a standardized list""" start="00:02:48.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of events they have for this.""" start="00:02:50.800" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is a standard notation for this""" start="00:02:52.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and rules and everything.""" start="00:02:55.160" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the goal of my package is basically""" start="00:02:56.520" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help prepare myself for such a competition""" start="00:02:58.200" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in fact a week ago I went to my first one""" start="00:03:01.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was wild, but pretty cool.""" start="00:03:03.680" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for this reason I chose this name wca-prep,""" start="00:03:06.720" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it helps me prepare for this kind of competition""" start="00:03:10.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this limited the scope significantly,""" start="00:03:13.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""What's in wca-prep""" start="00:03:16.520" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I have a scrambler, visualization of the scramble,""" start="00:03:16.520" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""timer, and statistics.""" start="00:03:19.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I excluded pretty much everything else I've seen.""" start="00:03:23.320" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this reason, I only tried to focus on""" start="00:03:25.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some very basic puzzles I can solve comfortably,""" start="00:03:28.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and did not want to do anything else""" start="00:03:32.200" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that may complicate things significantly.""" start="00:03:34.840" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No other kinds of puzzles, no simulation, no solving,""" start="00:03:36.440" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no exotic events, and no specialized scrambles""" start="00:03:40.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are only good for practicing specific algorithms.""" start="00:03:43.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:03:49.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So at this point the organizer should hopefully show""" start="00:03:49.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a small video I've prepared, a one minute video showing how""" start="00:03:54.200" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually use this to solve a cube and to time my solve.""" start="00:03:58.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Challenges: Representing the cube""" start="00:05:15.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Okay, so building this thing, there were several challenges.""" start="00:05:15.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one was how do I even represent""" start="00:05:18.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the state of a Rubik's cube.""" start="00:05:20.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this there are many possible representations,""" start="00:05:22.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no obvious best solution.""" start="00:05:25.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did not, well, what helped me was that""" start="00:05:27.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did not have to programmatically solve this thing,""" start="00:05:29.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I picked the easiest possible representation""" start="00:05:31.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just an array of every single facelet.""" start="00:05:35.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For a 3x3 cube you have 9 facelets on one side,""" start="00:05:38.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so times 6 sides you would have 54 elements in this array.""" start="00:05:42.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So with this representation, it's very simple,""" start="00:05:47.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's kind of weird to do scrambles with this.""" start="00:05:49.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But otherwise, it worked very, very well.""" start="00:05:52.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the future, I plan to learn some group theory,""" start="00:05:54.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pick a better representation""" start="00:05:57.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do this in a much, much more elegant way""" start="00:05:58.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without compromising speed too much.""" start="00:06:01.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. Once I had the representation,""" start="00:06:07.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the scrambling itself should not be too hard.""" start="00:06:10.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this, it's important to consider that basically""" start="00:06:13.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you do a face turn""" start="00:06:17.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you end up swapping some facelets with other facelets,""" start="00:06:19.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the easiest way to think about this.""" start="00:06:22.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To determine which one goes into which one's position,""" start="00:06:26.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was pretty confusing to figure this out.""" start="00:06:29.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this I went through a few papers,""" start="00:06:32.471" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I found one which suggested""" start="00:06:34.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just build a cube out of paper,""" start="00:06:36.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""number every facelet, and turn it""" start="00:06:37.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and keep track of which facelet moved into which position.""" start="00:06:40.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And programmatically, the `cl-rotatef` macro""" start="00:06:44.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was very, very useful for doing this kind of""" start="00:06:47.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-place swapping you need for this operation.""" start="00:06:49.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in the future, group theory would hopefully""" start="00:06:51.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make this a bit less awkward.""" start="00:06:54.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a photo of this paper cube I made""" start="00:06:57.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with a real cube. As you can see""" start="00:07:00.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mathematically speaking, they are the same thing,""" start="00:07:03.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they just look very, very different.""" start="00:07:07.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Scrambling""" start="00:07:09.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So the scramble algorithm itself,""" start="00:07:09.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I pondered how this would even be done. In the competitions,""" start="00:07:14.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do this in a very, very elaborate way.""" start="00:07:19.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They generate a random cube,""" start="00:07:21.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they try to solve it, and if it's solvable""" start="00:07:22.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they use these solution moves""" start="00:07:25.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to turn into a scramble basically.""" start="00:07:28.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they also make sure to canonicalize the moves,""" start="00:07:30.829" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you have subsequent moves that can be simplified,""" start="00:07:34.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they do simplify these as much as possible.""" start="00:07:38.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example,""" start="00:07:40.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have two subsequent rotations in one direction,""" start="00:07:41.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's turned into a different kind of rotation,""" start="00:07:43.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so 90 and 90 equals 180.""" start="00:07:46.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the other Elisp scramblers I looked at,""" start="00:07:49.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they generate random moves.""" start="00:07:53.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of them do canonicalize. Not all of them.""" start="00:07:55.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one tries to do the best low-fi thing,""" start="00:07:57.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is, generating random moves,""" start="00:08:00.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""canonicalizing and repeating""" start="00:08:02.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until enough have been generated.""" start="00:08:04.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Visualization""" start="00:08:09.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""For the visualization I had to figure out""" start="00:08:09.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something else too complicated.""" start="00:08:13.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this, I tried to figure out""" start="00:08:14.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where every facelift would end up in the puzzle view""" start="00:08:17.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you would unfold it.""" start="00:08:19.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for this, I did not consider the facelet orientation.""" start="00:08:21.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This may be important later for some other puzzles""" start="00:08:25.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can end up with very twisted faces,""" start="00:08:29.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for simple cubes, it's not a problem.""" start="00:08:31.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My initial prototype used colored text,""" start="00:08:33.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but later, I used the SVG library.""" start="00:08:36.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It turned out to be easy enough to use, actually.""" start="00:08:38.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I have hard-coded face-color mappings,""" start="00:08:41.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I plan to replace this so that theming is possible.""" start="00:08:46.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you happen to have a cube""" start="00:08:49.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that does not have the same color mappings as I do,""" start="00:08:51.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you should be able to fix this.""" start="00:08:54.690" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""UI with Transient""" start="00:08:56.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Next challenge was to build""" start="00:08:56.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a beautiful intuitive UI with Transient.""" start="00:09:01.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason why I chose this is""" start="00:09:03.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it would be self-documenting and Magit-style,""" start="00:09:06.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everyone knows how Magit works basically.""" start="00:09:10.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since Transient has become part of Emacs,""" start="00:09:12.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is really no reason to not try it out.""" start="00:09:15.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The problem was documentation is difficult to understand.""" start="00:09:17.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very abstract and high level,""" start="00:09:21.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's hard to figure out. "Okay,""" start="00:09:23.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to do something,""" start="00:09:25.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how am I supposed to do this?"""" start="00:09:26.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did find transient-showcase, which has lots of examples,""" start="00:09:28.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they don't really feel finished""" start="00:09:33.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not realistic enough.""" start="00:09:35.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I tried to use the package,""" start="00:09:39.069" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got plenty of unhelpful error messages""" start="00:09:40.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when using it incorrectly.""" start="00:09:42.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did manage to figure it out,""" start="00:09:44.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I plan to find more actual examples of it,""" start="00:09:45.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have an executable reference basically""" start="00:09:50.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try to improve my use of it.""" start="00:09:53.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Book-keeping with SQLite""" start="00:09:55.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""For the book-keeping, I used SQLite.""" start="00:09:55.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a very recent addition to Emacs,""" start="00:10:01.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it only appeared in the current major version.""" start="00:10:04.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's still very early days.""" start="00:10:07.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found some oddities, one of them turned out to be""" start="00:10:09.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bug in the transaction macro.""" start="00:10:13.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like basically, if you do an SQL transaction""" start="00:10:14.829" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an error happens, then every helper I found""" start="00:10:17.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does a rollback on an error.""" start="00:10:20.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this one did not. It actually committed on an error,""" start="00:10:20.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this was very weird to figure out.""" start="00:10:26.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reported a bug. Eli was nice enough to send me a patch.""" start="00:10:29.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We did some patch review,""" start="00:10:34.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he ended up fixing it properly.""" start="00:10:35.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yes, there's still a lot to be done there, and yeah,""" start="00:10:37.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the API is very basic.""" start="00:10:45.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have convenience helpers""" start="00:10:46.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like fetch the first row or fetch the first value""" start="00:10:48.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything, but they're easy enough to write yourself.""" start="00:10:51.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the biggest challenge with this bookkeeping part""" start="00:10:54.430" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was figuring out a decent schema,""" start="00:10:56.370" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like how to organize data correctly""" start="00:10:58.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it would not be awkward to manipulate.""" start="00:11:00.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with this, you can finally build a package""" start="00:11:02.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that remembers its state properly""" start="00:11:05.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and don't have to run into foot guns""" start="00:11:07.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Lisp-style serialization, deserialization.""" start="00:11:10.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:11:12.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So yes, that concludes it so far.""" start="00:11:12.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what did I learn from this exercise?""" start="00:11:18.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, there are still plenty of packages""" start="00:11:22.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs to be written.""" start="00:11:24.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you think everything you can think of""" start="00:11:25.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you need has already been written, well, guess what?""" start="00:11:28.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No.""" start="00:11:31.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are still plenty of specialized things""" start="00:11:31.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that could need your help.""" start="00:11:34.045" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These cubes do not require advanced mathematics,""" start="00:11:36.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contrary to what you may think.""" start="00:11:39.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, you can apply advanced mathematics to them""" start="00:11:41.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to, but you don't have to.""" start="00:11:44.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What surprised me about this is basically group theory.""" start="00:11:47.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've heard of it before.""" start="00:11:50.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It seemed to be a meme, basically,""" start="00:11:52.069" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it has been like mostly Haskell people""" start="00:11:53.829" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being very excited about this""" start="00:11:56.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it seemed kind of, like, divorced from reality, basically.""" start="00:11:58.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this puzzle, it actually proves that yes,""" start="00:12:02.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has its use.""" start="00:12:05.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It definitely has.""" start="00:12:06.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have to find the right problem matching it,""" start="00:12:08.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yeah.""" start="00:12:11.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, once I understand it better,""" start="00:12:13.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the topic, I expect to write better code.""" start="00:12:15.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These new Emacs features, they work well enough.""" start="00:12:18.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are some rough edges.""" start="00:12:24.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They definitely need more testing.""" start="00:12:25.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So please, please, everyone,""" start="00:12:27.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you write Elisp, please try SQLite or Transient""" start="00:12:30.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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And yeah,""" start="00:12:38.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sure that if we do this,""" start="00:12:41.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Emacs will continue to get even better.""" start="00:12:44.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, what's next for this package?""" start="00:12:47.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I could... There are lots of obvious UI improvements""" start="00:12:51.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and testing to be done.""" start="00:12:55.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I basically want to reach feature parity""" start="00:12:57.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the twisty-timer app, which this is very much inspired by.""" start="00:12:59.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want nice-looking stats like graphical ones""" start="00:13:02.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of just a simple list of times.""" start="00:13:06.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I want support for more puzzles, of course,""" start="00:13:08.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not just the simple cubes,""" start="00:13:11.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as I progress learning these puzzles,""" start="00:13:12.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to have Emacs supporting me for this.""" start="00:13:14.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But generally, it's a very open-ended package.""" start="00:13:18.069" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this concludes the talk.""" start="00:13:22.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:13:26.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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So, hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:08.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have the pleasure to welcome John Wiegley""" start="00:00:10.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in person to this EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:13.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, John. Hello there.""" start="00:00:15.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are you doing, Leo?""" start="00:00:17.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am doing fantastic, and even more now that""" start="00:00:18.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am in a room with you because we've been,""" start="00:00:21.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we were reminiscing with Sacha.""" start="00:00:24.279" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you had been there in person in 2013 And""" start="00:00:25.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since we started doing those online,""" start="00:00:30.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juan, since 2019, I think you've always been""" start="00:00:32.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""online, right? Usually it's a pre-recorded""" start="00:00:35.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""video. I think this will be the first 1 I do""" start="00:00:38.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live in a long time. You're right.""" start="00:00:40.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm saying we are online right now,""" start="00:00:42.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just meant pre-recorded video.""" start="00:00:44.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's good to have you almost in person or""" start="00:00:45.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least live and we are excited to hear""" start="00:00:48.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about some of the Emacs news.""" start="00:00:50.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the floor is yours.""" start="00:00:52.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, well welcome everybody.""" start="00:00:55.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the yearly state of the Emacs union,""" start="00:00:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess, about how Emacs development is""" start="00:01:00.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going. Just to note, I am not currently a""" start="00:01:02.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainer of Emacs. So what I do to get""" start="00:01:05.379" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these notes is I call up my friend,""" start="00:01:07.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eli Zaretsky, 1 of the current Emacs""" start="00:01:09.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers, and he and I sit down for an""" start="00:01:12.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hour, and he just gives me his dump of what's""" start="00:01:13.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been going on. So I'm sort of just the""" start="00:01:17.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messenger here. But thanks to Eli for these""" start="00:01:19.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notes and all of the efforts that he""" start="00:01:22.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contributes. 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So if you're on a Mac OS""" start="00:02:57.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine or a machine that uses just LLVM as""" start="00:03:01.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of the compilation process,""" start="00:03:05.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you probably are familiar with LLDB as""" start="00:03:07.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the command line debugger.""" start="00:03:10.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that support for using LLDB through a GUD""" start="00:03:11.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will become possible in Emacs 30.""" start="00:03:15.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm looking forward to this actually quite a""" start="00:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit as well. C Perl mode is being deprecated,""" start="00:03:19.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all future work now is only being put""" start="00:03:23.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""towards C Perl mode. Another 1 is that there""" start="00:03:25.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are going to be some new major modes based on""" start="00:03:30.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeSitter. They will be for the languages""" start="00:03:33.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:03:35.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're not familiar,""" start="00:03:38.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think TreeSitter was introduced in Emacs""" start="00:03:40.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""29. It's a library that allows you to specify""" start="00:03:42.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the grammar of a programming language as a""" start="00:03:47.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BNF file, and I think using JavaScript,""" start="00:03:49.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then with that file as input to Emacs,""" start="00:03:53.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is then able to do syntax highlighting,""" start="00:03:56.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax discovery, all of those things within""" start="00:04:00.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs without having to use elisp and regexps""" start="00:04:03.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to discover the structure of the language.""" start="00:04:06.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It defers the structure gathering to""" start="00:04:08.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeSitter and then uses that information to""" start="00:04:10.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""navigate the language.""" start="00:04:13.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, As time goes on, you'll see more and more""" start="00:04:15.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages taking on TreeSetter support.""" start="00:04:17.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the next 3 coming up,""" start="00:04:19.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:04:21.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the last feature for Emacs 30 is""" start="00:04:24.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the byte compiler will now detect and""" start="00:04:26.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""warn about many more questionable constructs.""" start="00:04:29.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things like empty macro bodies,""" start="00:04:33.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""missing lexical constructs,""" start="00:04:35.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or say, condition case without any handlers.""" start="00:04:37.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just silly stuff that might litter the code,""" start="00:04:40.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now you'll get a warning about it from""" start="00:04:43.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the byte compiler to help you clean up the""" start="00:04:45.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code and get rid of those potential sites of""" start="00:04:46.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""error. So this is the main thing that will be""" start="00:04:49.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worked on for Emacs 30 and what's looked like""" start="00:04:52.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shaping up for the release.""" start="00:04:55.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, he wanted me to announce that""" start="00:04:56.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan Kongas is now a new co-maintainer.""" start="00:04:58.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Stefan is, I believe,""" start="00:05:01.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here with us in the conference and he'll be""" start="00:05:03.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""able, I hope, to help me answer any questions""" start="00:05:05.500" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about future Emacs development because I'm""" start="00:05:08.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not in the heat of it and don't have all""" start="00:05:10.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those answers at the moment.""" start="00:05:12.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So That is all there is as far as a""" start="00:05:14.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""development update for now.""" start="00:05:17.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I am available to take any questions.""" start="00:05:19.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Thank you so much,""" start="00:05:24.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sean, for being the messenger of all this""" start="00:05:26.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good news. I mean, you did start by saying""" start="00:05:29.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would not be as exciting,""" start="00:05:31.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps, as prior releases of Emacs,""" start="00:05:33.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you then proceeded to say a lot of stuff""" start="00:05:36.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it felt very exciting to me.""" start="00:05:38.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So good, good. Glad to hear that.""" start="00:05:40.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. So we do have questions coming in""" start="00:05:44.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""already and again people the link is on IRC""" start="00:05:47.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also on the talks page if you want to""" start="00:05:50.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start asking questions.""" start="00:05:52.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So John what I'm going to do I'm going to""" start="00:05:53.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read you the questions and then you can""" start="00:05:54.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer them. Is that okay with you?""" start="00:05:56.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Absolutely. 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Native compilation has""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been quite brilliant for some of the larger""" start="00:06:25.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages that I use. I do a lot of stuff in""" start="00:06:27.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. I use GNU's, I use E-Shell,""" start="00:06:29.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Org Mode quite a lot.""" start="00:06:31.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So native compilation has brought the user""" start="00:06:33.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""experience much closer to a modern app than""" start="00:06:36.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of the lagging and slowness that I might""" start="00:06:39.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have experienced in the past.""" start="00:06:42.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely. Moving on to the next question.""" start="00:06:44.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you think the future in the area of""" start="00:06:47.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""artificial intelligence from the developer""" start="00:06:49.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""point of view? Could you say that 1 more""" start="00:06:51.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time? Your voice broke up a little bit.""" start="00:06:53.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, sorry. What do you think the future in""" start="00:06:54.876" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the area of artificial intelligence from the""" start="00:06:55.025" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developer point of view?""" start="00:06:55.141" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Could you say that 1 more time?""" start="00:06:55.208" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Your voice broke up a little bit.""" start="00:06:55.324" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, sorry. 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I did find it.""" start="00:19:54.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna have to give it to you as a link""" start="00:19:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. Sure, you can do it on the blue button""" start="00:20:01.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll put it on the pad.""" start="00:20:03.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I put it into the public chat for Bibi.""" start="00:20:10.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. 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I haven't tried running it,""" start="00:20:26.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't say for its fitness,""" start="00:20:29.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's definitely enough of the groundwork""" start="00:20:31.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done that it's absolutely an assistance.""" start="00:20:34.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Okay, so it's loading up right now?""" start="00:20:38.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see my webcam,""" start="00:20:41.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? I can see your browser attempting to""" start="00:20:42.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load. There we go. Okay,""" start="00:20:45.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. So I'm not sure what GitHub is doing.""" start="00:20:47.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me give it a little more room.""" start="00:20:50.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reactive setup is not working too well.""" start="00:20:51.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I see. You're viewing the...""" start="00:20:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see. Can I see the file then?""" start="00:20:59.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should be able to see the file.""" start="00:21:02.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think he just mentions the code in that""" start="00:21:06.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comment. 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In the meantime,""" start="00:21:21.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whilst I show this, I'm gonna launch another""" start="00:21:22.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, which was about Drafts.""" start="00:21:25.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are carrying, you're talking about""" start="00:21:29.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drafts, but does that mean you're not using""" start="00:21:30.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org anymore? 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I think we have,""" start="00:22:34.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might be too tight on time.""" start="00:22:38.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We only have about 2 minutes and I need to""" start="00:22:39.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jump room to go into Stephane's room as well.""" start="00:22:41.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So John, where I get to thank you so much for""" start="00:22:44.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking the time to answer our questions,""" start="00:22:47.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also doing a little bit of reporting on""" start="00:22:53.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the state of Emacs. And now we'll get to""" start="00:22:55.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue this with Stéphane.""" start="00:22:58.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So do you have any last words for everyone,""" start="00:22:59.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John? No, no. I look forward to hearing""" start="00:23:01.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stéphane speak. Okay, great.""" start="00:23:03.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll look forward,""" start="00:23:06.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""potentially, to having you again next year,""" start="00:23:07.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""potentially still doing news like this,""" start="00:23:10.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, fingers crossed, maybe having you live""" start="00:23:12.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again. Maybe, maybe let's see what happens.""" start="00:23:15.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, John. Thank you so much.""" start="00:23:19.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye. Bye bye.""" start="00:23:20.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/devel-nav.md b/2023/info/devel-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..451e821f --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/devel-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/unentangling">(Un)entangling projects and repos</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/core">Emacs core development: how it works</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/doc-after.md b/2023/info/doc-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7df3351e --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/doc-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1189 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="doc-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, everyone.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk is on literate documentation""" start="00:00:04.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emacs and org-mode.""" start="00:00:07.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to take just a moment here""" start="00:00:10.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to unpack what I just said.""" start="00:00:12.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, as most of us probably already know,""" start="00:00:14.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a powerful text editor and list programming environment""" start="00:00:17.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the 1970s.""" start="00:00:21.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Chances are, if you're attending this talk,""" start="00:00:23.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you already know a bit about Emacs.""" start="00:00:25.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode is an Emacs major mode and authoring tool""" start="00:00:28.820" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helps you write documents in a plain text markup""" start="00:00:32.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language called Org.""" start="00:00:36.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These Org documents can be exported""" start="00:00:37.740" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a number of different document formats,""" start="00:00:40.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like HTML, PDF, ODT, Markdown, and more.""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode has a lot of features.""" start="00:00:48.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be an outliner, a to-do list manager,""" start="00:00:51.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an agenda, organizer, and much more.""" start="00:00:54.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Org Babel and literate programming""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Today, we're going to be demonstrating""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I consider to be org-mode's killer feature called""" start="00:00:59.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Babel.""" start="00:01:03.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Babel allows you to take human language prose,""" start="00:01:04.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""computer language source code blocks, and their outputs""" start="00:01:07.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and weave them together seamlessly""" start="00:01:11.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to form a cohesive document.""" start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is seriously cool.""" start="00:01:16.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Literate documentation is a play on the term""" start="00:01:19.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literate programming, popularized by Donald Knuth""" start="00:01:21.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the early 1980s.""" start="00:01:25.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Knuth's literate programming idea""" start="00:01:27.380" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was that computer programs could be""" start="00:01:29.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expressed in a natural language and be""" start="00:01:31.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""human-readable documents rather than written exclusively""" start="00:01:34.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for machines to read.""" start="00:01:38.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a traditional program, you might""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have a bunch of machine-readable source code""" start="00:01:43.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a handful of human-readable comments,""" start="00:01:45.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which attempt to describe what the program is doing.""" start="00:01:48.560" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Literate programming flips this on its head.""" start="00:01:51.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A literate program is a document that""" start="00:01:54.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""describes how the program works with machine-readable source""" start="00:01:56.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code blocks inside of it.""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These source code blocks are later""" start="00:02:02.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tangled out of the document and submitted to the machine""" start="00:02:04.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either to be compiled or interpreted and ultimately run.""" start="00:02:08.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""This presentation""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Throughout this presentation, you'll""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see my browser window here on the left side of the screen.""" start="00:02:15.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And on the right side, I've got a terminal session""" start="00:02:19.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running tmux.""" start="00:02:22.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This allows us to have a virtual terminal window connected""" start="00:02:23.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to two separate Linux machines, one running Ubuntu Server 2204""" start="00:02:28.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and another running Fedora Server 38.""" start="00:02:35.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've specifically chosen these two distributions for my demo""" start="00:02:39.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they are representative of the two dominant flavors""" start="00:02:43.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of GNU Linux, Debian and RedHat.""" start="00:02:46.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In both cases, these are bare-bones server additions""" start="00:02:49.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the stock packages installed.""" start="00:02:53.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've manually installed a few packages like Git, emacs-noex""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the terminal version of emacs, and tmux.""" start="00:03:00.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But otherwise, these Linux installs""" start="00:03:04.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are what you'd get right out of the box.""" start="00:03:06.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this demo, I've created a literate org-mode document""" start="00:03:08.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that describes how to build GNU Emacs from its source code""" start="00:03:12.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on both Debian and RedHat-based systems.""" start="00:03:16.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While both operating systems are very similar,""" start="00:03:19.940" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they differ substantially on which packages""" start="00:03:22.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are installed out of the box, how optional packages are""" start="00:03:25.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""named, searched, and installed, and of course,""" start="00:03:29.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the distributions have different names,""" start="00:03:32.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Ubuntu or Fedora.""" start="00:03:34.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I chose building Emacs from source""" start="00:03:36.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a topic for this demonstration""" start="00:03:39.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because while the process is largely""" start="00:03:41.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the same on both RedHat and Debian,""" start="00:03:43.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are a lot of minor little differences""" start="00:03:46.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that need to be accounted for, which really prohibits you""" start="00:03:49.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from hard coding names of packages and package management""" start="00:03:52.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools and distributions into your document.""" start="00:03:57.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I suppose you could create two versions of the same document,""" start="00:04:01.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one specifically for RedHat and one specifically for Debian,""" start="00:04:05.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that would be really tedious to maintain.""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like if, for example, you updated some prose""" start="00:04:13.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one document, you'd have to remember""" start="00:04:16.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do it in the other one too.""" start="00:04:18.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you weren't careful, the two documents""" start="00:04:20.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could drift out of sync.""" start="00:04:22.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this demo, I'll show you techniques""" start="00:04:25.260" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for creating dynamic, literate documents that""" start="00:04:27.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can change based on parameters and constants embedded""" start="00:04:30.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the non-exported regions of the document.""" start="00:04:34.620" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show how with a single org-mode source document,""" start="00:04:38.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can press a couple of keys to configure""" start="00:04:41.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it to export a RedHat-specific version of my building""" start="00:04:44.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs from source essay or a Debian-specific version.""" start="00:04:48.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Getting started""" start="00:04:53.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""All right, let's get started.""" start="00:04:53.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll begin by firing up a new terminal Emacs session""" start="00:04:55.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on my Ubuntu machine.""" start="00:04:58.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I installed Emacs on this machine using apt-get.""" start="00:05:00.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And doing that, you get version 27.1,""" start="00:05:04.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, hey, only two major versions""" start="00:05:07.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the current version of Emacs.""" start="00:05:10.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is another reason why I thought""" start="00:05:13.011" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing a guide on how to build Emacs from source code""" start="00:05:15.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be a good idea.""" start="00:05:18.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can get a much newer version of Emacs on Ubuntu""" start="00:05:19.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you install it via Snap, but, uh, Snaps.""" start="00:05:22.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't get me started.""" start="00:05:25.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I wanted to use a completely vanilla""" start="00:05:28.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""terminal mode install of Emacs for this demonstration""" start="00:05:30.922" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because my personal Emacs config has a ton of packages""" start="00:05:34.620" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""installed and is heavily modified.""" start="00:05:38.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want folks to be able to follow along""" start="00:05:41.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a bog-standard, out-of-the-box Emacs config.""" start="00:05:43.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emacs config on this Ubuntu machine""" start="00:05:47.580" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has just two settings.""" start="00:05:49.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I require org-tempo because my fingers are hardwired""" start="00:05:51.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use some of the handy shortcuts that it provides.""" start="00:05:55.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also turn off the menu bar""" start="00:05:58.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I just can't stand to look at it.""" start="00:06:00.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's begin by opening a file called buildemacs.org,""" start="00:06:03.140" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will be the source code""" start="00:06:07.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for our literate org-mode document.""" start="00:06:08.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, in preparation for this talk,""" start="00:06:11.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've already written this document,""" start="00:06:12.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, I'm typing `#+`""" start="00:06:38.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by a couple characters""" start="00:06:42.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then `M-TAB` to auto-complete.""" start="00:06:43.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you hit #+ by itself and then M-TAB,""" start="00:06:45.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see all the possible completions.""" start="00:06:50.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you can see, there's a lot.""" start="00:06:53.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""README""" start="00:06:55.780" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The next thing we're gonna do is make a README section""" start="00:06:55.780" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to remember to put our point back where we started""" start="00:26:09.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the block finishes.""" start="00:26:11.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After that, we essentially go to the top of the document""" start="00:26:13.430" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and search and replace the subtitle, `exclude_tags`,""" start="00:26:16.250" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`export_file_name`, and the `prefix`.""" start="00:26:19.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty cool.""" start="00:26:22.500" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see this in action.""" start="00:26:23.390" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we hit `C-c C-c` on this block,""" start="00:26:25.030" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""This is really a bare-bones Emacs""" start="00:41:23.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is strictly terminal mode.""" start="00:41:25.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we actually build Emacs, which is, you know,""" start="00:41:28.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of boring, we're just gonna type make""" start="00:41:30.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then make is gonna run successfully.""" start="00:41:33.260" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And make is gonna spew a ton of output, right?""" start="00:41:35.260" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here's where I do that /dev/null trick,""" start="00:41:37.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I pipe everything to /dev/null""" start="00:41:41.100" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] 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So I'll read this question as""" start="00:09:13.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well. But folks, you're welcome to continue""" start="00:09:15.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the pad or just come join here on BBB""" start="00:09:17.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after myself and the stream move on to the""" start="00:09:20.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk. Yeah, and the next question is,""" start="00:09:23.100" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how do you normally debug,""" start="00:09:24.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, view the logs or see failed""" start="00:09:26.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""statuses when the commands in the source""" start="00:09:29.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocks fail, especially if they output lots""" start="00:09:32.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lots of logs, and you need to see the""" start="00:09:34.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""full history of the build.""" start="00:09:35.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so I see it in the messages buffer""" start="00:09:39.520" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever I export a document.""" start="00:09:42.080" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there's a failure, that's typically where""" start="00:09:44.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's written to. And I will actually kill the""" start="00:09:47.460" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messages buffer before I export so I know""" start="00:09:49.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only the messages in the buffer are for""" start="00:09:52.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my given export and I mentioned that""" start="00:09:55.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugging trick where you name all of your""" start="00:09:58.580" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode source blocks So if there is a""" start="00:10:00.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem in 1 of the blocks,""" start="00:10:02.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll actually tell you what the block,""" start="00:10:06.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the block the error occurred in.""" start="00:10:09.140" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't do that, it just gives you a""" start="00:10:13.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position number in the buffer.""" start="00:10:14.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And whenever I tried to convert those""" start="00:10:18.620" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position numbers to actual places where the""" start="00:10:21.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""error occurred, it was never exactly where I""" start="00:10:23.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suspected it would be.""" start="00:10:24.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I found that very difficult in debugging.""" start="00:10:26.680" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only real debugging tip I have is name""" start="00:10:29.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your source blocks, even if you don't refer""" start="00:10:32.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to them later.""" start="00:10:33.480" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I think that's all the time we have on""" start="00:10:39.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream. And I also have to drop as well.""" start="00:10:41.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thanks again so much,""" start="00:10:42.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike. And folks are welcome to come here and""" start="00:10:46.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue discussion here.""" start="00:10:47.980" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks again.""" start="00:10:52.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You""" start="00:21:45.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank""" start="00:22:00.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: you""" start="00:22:15.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for""" start="00:22:28.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching. You""" start="00:22:45.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:23:00.260" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/doc-nav.md b/2023/info/doc-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5f8eaf6b --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/doc-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/repl">REPLs in strange places: Lua, LaTeX, LPeg, LPegRex, TikZ</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/eat-after.md b/2023/info/eat-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..41bfbc90 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/eat-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="eat-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello everyone. Welcome to my talk.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am Akib Azmain Turja and my talk is titled""" start="00:00:04.200" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Eat and Eat-powered Eshell:""" start="00:00:09.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fast, featureful terminal inside Emacs."""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Benchmarking""" start="00:00:15.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So I just claimed that Eat is a fast terminal emulator.""" start="00:00:15.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you that. I will print a 1-megabyte sized file""" start="00:00:22.840" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the terminal using this command.""" start="00:00:33.280" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It takes 0.76 seconds. Now let's benchmark term-mode.""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be in term -mode. I use the same command,""" start="00:00:47.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's clearly the loser.""" start="00:00:54.800" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took 12 seconds, more than an order of magnitude slower.""" start="00:01:06.600" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's also measure the speed of return.""" start="00:01:18.320" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it took 0.79 seconds.""" start="00:01:27.280" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this is actually a little bit slower than Eat.""" start="00:01:33.480" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? That shouldn't happen.""" start="00:01:36.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, hopefully that shows how fast Eat is.""" start="00:01:41.800" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Running programs""" start="00:01:49.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's run some extra programs in Eat,""" start="00:01:49.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like top. You can also run htop or even btop.""" start="00:01:54.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is a fancy version of top.""" start="00:02:05.640" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And obviously you can run Emacs in it.""" start="00:02:08.560" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is mouse support, and there is true color support.""" start="00:02:20.240" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can show any color in the terminal""" start="00:02:33.880" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as long as your main display supports it.""" start="00:02:38.800" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Shell integration""" start="00:02:47.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And then there is shell integration.""" start="00:02:47.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, directory tracking.""" start="00:02:50.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, I can switch to some other directory""" start="00:02:52.400" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs follows the shell directory.""" start="00:03:07.480" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Prompt annotation""" start="00:03:11.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Then there is prompt annotation,""" start="00:03:11.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this column. These zeros indicate""" start="00:03:16.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the command has executed successfully.""" start="00:03:20.320" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can navigate between commands like this.""" start="00:03:27.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Message passing""" start="00:03:37.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""There is message passing.""" start="00:03:37.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By message passing, I mean sending something""" start="00:03:39.400" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the terminal to the host Emacs.""" start="00:03:44.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By host Emacs, I mean Emacs running the terminal.""" start="00:03:46.960" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example I can say "hi" and it's showing "hi"""" start="00:03:52.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this echo area of my Emacs.""" start="00:03:57.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Shell integration""" start="00:04:03.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Then let's show you the killer feature of Eat,""" start="00:04:03.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eat's shell integration.""" start="00:04:08.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can run any program in it. For example: top, btop,""" start="00:04:20.240" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and obviously Emacs itself.""" start="00:04:37.840" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Input modes""" start="00:04:52.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's discuss how to use Eat. There are four input modes.""" start="00:04:52.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is semi-char mode. That is the default mode.""" start="00:05:03.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is like vterm. All keys are the same to your terminal""" start="00:05:07.320" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except these keys: C-c, C-x, C-g, M-x, etc.""" start="00:05:10.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there is char-mode, where all keys""" start="00:05:17.880" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are same to your terminal, except this M-RET key""" start="00:05:20.600" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which takes you back to the semi-char mode.""" start="00:05:26.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there is Emacs mode where you can select""" start="00:05:29.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and copy from the terminal buffer.""" start="00:05:34.560" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally, there is line mode.""" start="00:05:39.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use it to use your terminal like a comint buffer.""" start="00:05:42.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All these input modes are available in both Eat""" start="00:05:49.200" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eat-eshell mode, except this line mode--""" start="00:05:56.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's only available on Eat.""" start="00:06:05.880" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By "on Eat", I mean the terminal you get""" start="00:06:10.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by this eat command. By eshell, I mean""" start="00:06:13.960" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when eat-eshell integration is enabled""" start="00:06:20.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside the eshell buffer.""" start="00:06:23.145" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Documentation""" start="00:06:33.760" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""There is an info manual,""" start="00:06:33.760" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also the README is quite informative""" start="00:06:36.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you to get started.""" start="00:06:51.600" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you hit any problem,""" start="00:06:55.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a dedicated chapter for debugging that,""" start="00:07:13.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a common problems chapter.""" start="00:07:22.960" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If your problem is still not fixed,""" start="00:07:26.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please report it to me.""" start="00:07:28.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This helps me improve it for everyone.""" start="00:07:29.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you report, please read this chapter""" start="00:07:36.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can make a better bug report.""" start="00:07:40.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am really looking forward to how people use it""" start="00:07:53.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in their workflow.""" start="00:07:57.640" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am excited about that.""" start="00:07:59.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully you enjoyed my talk. That was all.""" start="00:08:03.480" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enjoy EmacsConf. Goodbye.""" start="00:08:10.760" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/eat-nav.md b/2023/info/eat-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3d8f174b --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/eat-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/parallel">Parallel text replacement</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/poltys">The browser in a buffer</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md b/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d84a94cd --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,3170 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="emacsconf-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Sacha Chua. This presentation is a quick tour""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of some of the things we do to run EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since 2019, we've run it as an entirely online conference,""" start="00:00:07.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we do as much of the organization as possible""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within Emacs itself.""" start="00:00:14.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Reasons""" start="00:00:16.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I have three reasons for making this presentation.""" start="00:00:16.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first is entirely selfish: I need to figure out""" start="00:00:19.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the stuff I built for last year's EmacsConf,""" start="00:00:22.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since it was a bit of a crazy scramble.""" start="00:00:25.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second is that I want to show people""" start="00:00:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the process of thinking about a complex project,""" start="00:00:30.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking for little things to automate in Emacs,""" start="00:00:33.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and building things up from small pieces.""" start="00:00:35.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you'll get some ideas""" start="00:00:38.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and start building tools for yourself, too.""" start="00:00:39.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The third is that you find any of these little tools interesting,""" start="00:00:42.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to point you to blog posts and source code""" start="00:00:47.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can find out more.""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That way, you don't need to try""" start="00:00:51.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to read and understand everything quickly.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find this presentation and other links""" start="00:00:55.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the talk page at emacsconf.org/2023/talks/emacsconf.""" start="00:00:57.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a lot of different parts,""" start="00:01:04.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'll try to use this map to help make sense of it all.""" start="00:01:06.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Information""" start="00:01:09.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""There's so much information to work with,""" start="00:01:09.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it probably doesn't surprise you that we use Org Mode a lot.""" start="00:01:11.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most of the conference coordination happens over e-mail,""" start="00:01:14.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I can quickly search with notmuch.""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of the information is private,""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like emergency contact numbers.""" start="00:01:22.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We store the talk information in a private Org file.""" start="00:01:24.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I try to put as much as possible""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into our public organizers' notebook""" start="00:01:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that processes and decisions are documented.""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need a public website.""" start="00:01:35.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use Ikiwiki to make the webpages""" start="00:01:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we can work with plain text files""" start="00:01:39.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a Git repository.""" start="00:01:41.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also make a few static HTML pages""" start="00:01:42.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for things where Ikiwiki is a little awkward.""" start="00:01:45.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We post announcements to mailing lists.""" start="00:01:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also receive submissions in a private mailing list""" start="00:01:50.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that a number of people can review them.""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a backstage area""" start="00:01:55.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for sharing files with volunteers and speakers.""" start="00:01:56.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We share those files publicly when the talk goes live.""" start="00:01:59.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's all the other stuff that goes into running EmacsConf,""" start="00:02:03.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like shell scripts and configuration files.""" start="00:02:06.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Properties""" start="00:02:09.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""First, speakers propose a talk by sending an e-mail.""" start="00:02:09.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We take the info from that e-mail and store it in Org properties""" start="00:02:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can work with it later.""" start="00:02:15.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every talk is identified with an ID,""" start="00:02:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but since `:ID:` and `:CUSTOM_ID:` have special meanings for Org,""" start="00:02:20.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use `:SLUG:` as the keyword.""" start="00:02:24.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Speakers' names go into the `:NAME:` property,""" start="00:02:25.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a short version goes into `:NAME_SHORT:`""" start="00:02:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can include that in a greeting.""" start="00:02:29.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If people follow the template closely...""" start="00:02:32.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...we can even automatically fill in the Org subtree for their talk.""" start="00:02:34.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can use regular expressions to recognize the text""" start="00:02:38.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and extract the properties.""" start="00:02:40.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other properties need to be set by hand.""" start="00:02:42.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often mess things up when I retype them.""" start="00:02:45.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To avoid typos, I have a function that sets a property""" start="00:02:47.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on the current region. I bind that to `C-c C-x p`.""" start="00:02:51.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That makes it much easier to set properties""" start="00:02:56.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that couldn't automatically be recognized.""" start="00:02:58.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it makes sense to dynamically generate a property""" start="00:03:01.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then edit it, like with filenames.""" start="00:03:04.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We like to name all the talk files the same way,""" start="00:03:07.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but sometimes special characters in talk titles or speaker names""" start="00:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need a little tweaking. I'll put that in a `:FILE_PREFIX:` property""" start="00:03:14.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can edit it.""" start="00:03:17.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An Org property match can map over all the talk entries""" start="00:03:19.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that don't have `:FILE_PREFIX:` defined.""" start="00:03:22.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can use that `:FILE_PREFIX:` to rename files from Emacs.""" start="00:03:25.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With that property, we can then rename files using that prefix,""" start="00:03:29.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some extra text, and the file extension.""" start="00:03:32.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it's easier to work with the data outside Emacs,""" start="00:03:35.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when I want to rename files with a shell script.""" start="00:03:38.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I export a subset of the data as JSON""" start="00:03:42.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or JavaScript Object Notation, using `json-encode`...""" start="00:03:45.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""... then I can extract the data with `jq`""" start="00:03:48.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use it in shell scripts.""" start="00:03:51.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Timezones""" start="00:03:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Another example of semi-structured information""" start="00:03:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can convert times using Emacs.""" start="00:04:17.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a standard format to encode the availability""" start="00:04:19.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it easier to parse.""" start="00:04:22.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can use those availability constraints to report errors""" start="00:04:24.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm experimenting with the schedule.""" start="00:04:27.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Scheduling""" start="00:04:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now that I have the availability information,""" start="00:04:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can think about scheduling.""" start="00:04:31.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we were planning EmacsConf 2022, the schedule was so full,""" start="00:04:33.941" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted to see if we could make it more manageable""" start="00:04:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by splitting it up into two tracks.""" start="00:04:40.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was hard to think about times with just a table.""" start="00:04:43.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was able to turn the schedule information""" start="00:04:45.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into an SVG to convince the other organizers""" start="00:04:48.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get on board with this crazy plan.""" start="00:04:51.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the nice thing about SVGs is that""" start="00:04:53.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they can even be clickable on the wiki.""" start="00:04:54.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Being able to quickly make SVGs of different schedules""" start="00:04:57.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also helped me test scheduling ideas and think out loud.""" start="00:05:00.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could change the time between talks, the order of the talks,""" start="00:05:04.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even what tracks the talks were in.""" start="00:05:06.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was helpful when I needed to include""" start="00:05:08.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some late submissions or availability changes""" start="00:05:10.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wanted to ask speakers what they thought.""" start="00:05:13.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They could see the different schedule options themselves.""" start="00:05:15.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really nice to have Emacs Lisp support for working with SVGs.""" start="00:05:18.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also love how I can have an Emacs Lisp block""" start="00:05:22.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an Org Mode document that updates an SVG""" start="00:05:25.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can view right there in my text editor.""" start="00:05:28.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Setting the timezone lets me automatically translate times""" start="00:05:32.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the speaker's local timezone when I e-mail them.""" start="00:05:34.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's mostly a matter of using `format-time-string` with a timezone.""" start="00:05:37.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Templates""" start="00:05:41.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""There's a lot of text to work with,""" start="00:05:41.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means templates are super handy.""" start="00:05:43.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a number of templating functions for Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:05:45.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the built-in `tempo.el` or `s-lex-format` from `s.el`.""" start="00:05:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I ended up writing something""" start="00:05:52.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works with property lists (plists) instead,""" start="00:05:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since we use plists all over the emacsconf-el library.""" start="00:05:58.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All it does is replace `${variable}`""" start="00:06:02.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the value from a property list.""" start="00:06:04.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use this mostly because I have a hard time""" start="00:06:05.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keeping track of which `%s` is which when I use `format`,""" start="00:06:07.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's hard to get an overall view if I just use `concat`.""" start="00:06:11.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code looks for the properties and replaces them with the values.""" start="00:06:14.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just find it a little easier to think about sometimes.""" start="00:06:17.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Getting all the information is just a matter of going over""" start="00:06:21.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the talk entries using `org-map-entries`.""" start="00:06:24.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This builds the talk info by running a bunch of functions.""" start="00:06:27.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""We combine this templating function""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the talk information""" start="00:06:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to fill in the conference wiki,""" start="00:06:51.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since that's a matter of writing templated strings to files.""" start="00:06:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The talk pages are generated once""" start="00:06:56.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then left alone for manual editing,""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while the navigation is regenerated""" start="00:07:00.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every time we change the details.""" start="00:07:02.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are some examples""" start="00:07:04.660" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how we fill in the conference wiki.""" start="00:07:05.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We put in the format of the talk, how Q&A works,""" start="00:07:07.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what the status is.""" start="00:07:10.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once the talk is live, we include the video""" start="00:07:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the links to the files, too.""" start="00:07:14.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code is a little bit long,""" start="00:07:17.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the important part is that""" start="00:07:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we fill in a plist with the values we calculate,""" start="00:07:20.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we can use `emacsconf-replace-plist-in-string`""" start="00:07:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put that all together.""" start="00:07:26.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule is a little more complicated.""" start="00:07:28.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote an Ikiwiki directive""" start="00:07:30.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the markup is more manageable,""" start="00:07:32.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Emacs Lisp function uses that.""" start="00:07:34.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Ikiwiki directive takes all the data and turns it into HTML...""" start="00:07:36.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...so we can use Emacs Lisp to iterate over""" start="00:07:40.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a slightly smaller property list""" start="00:07:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put them into the format Ikiwiki expects.""" start="00:07:44.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's nice to be able to navigate between talks""" start="00:07:47.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without going back to the schedule page each time.""" start="00:07:50.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is handled by keeping two extra copies of the list:""" start="00:07:52.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one with the first talk popped off,""" start="00:07:55.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one with an extra element added to the beginning.""" start="00:07:57.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can use the heads of those lists""" start="00:08:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for next/previous links.""" start="00:08:02.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Etherpad""" start="00:08:04.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Links to the next talks are also handy""" start="00:08:04.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the collaborative Etherpad documents""" start="00:08:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we use for collecting questions, answers, and notes""" start="00:08:08.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during each talk.""" start="00:08:12.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Etherpad has an API...""" start="00:08:12.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...so I can start the pads off with a template""" start="00:08:15.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before the conference.""" start="00:08:17.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally overwrite a pad""" start="00:08:18.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has been manually edited.""" start="00:08:21.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can save the timestamp of the last modification""" start="00:08:22.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then compare it before overwriting.""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""E-mail""" start="00:08:28.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Templates are also very handy when it comes to e-mail.""" start="00:08:28.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes we send e-mails one at a time,""" start="00:08:31.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when we let a speaker know""" start="00:08:33.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we've received their proposal.""" start="00:08:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's mostly a matter of plugging the talk's properties""" start="00:08:36.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the right places in the template.""" start="00:08:39.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes we send e-mails to lots of speakers at the same time,""" start="00:08:41.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when we send them instructions for uploading their files.""" start="00:08:45.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of sending one e-mail and Bcc-ing everyone,""" start="00:08:48.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or sending people multiple e-mails""" start="00:08:51.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they have multiple talks,""" start="00:08:53.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to draft these as individual e-mails""" start="00:08:55.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to each speaker (or group of speakers,""" start="00:08:57.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if more than one person is associated with a talk).""" start="00:08:59.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That gives me an opportunity to personalize it further.""" start="00:09:02.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""BigBlueButton web conferences""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Many speakers answer questions live""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in BigBlueButton web conference rooms.""" start="00:09:08.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Setting up one room per group of speakers""" start="00:09:10.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it easy to give the speakers the details""" start="00:09:12.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and associate the recorded video with the talk afterwards.""" start="00:09:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For EmacsConf 2023,""" start="00:09:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used Spookfox to control Mozilla Firefox from Emacs""" start="00:09:20.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I could automate creating the rooms""" start="00:09:25.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and adding the URLs to the talk properties in my Org file.""" start="00:09:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I can use mail merge to send each speaker""" start="00:09:30.957" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the check-in instructions for their specific room.""" start="00:09:33.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some speakers will take questions by e-mail""" start="00:09:36.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after the conference instead of attending live,""" start="00:09:39.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we send them shorter instructions""" start="00:09:41.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case they want to drop by.""" start="00:09:43.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Live Q&A sessions]: After the first rush of questions,""" start="00:09:45.540" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can open it up for other people to join.""" start="00:09:47.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is handled by changing the public page""" start="00:09:50.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from one that just refreshes in a loop""" start="00:09:53.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to one that redirects to the actual web conference room.""" start="00:09:55.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just in case, we also""" start="00:09:58.821" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate static copies of those redirects""" start="00:10:00.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can copy them if needed.""" start="00:10:02.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That way, I don't have to count on Emacs being able to""" start="00:10:04.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publish them over TRAMP.""" start="00:10:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Shortcuts""" start="00:10:08.121" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""During the conference, I'm often jumping from talk to talk.""" start="00:10:08.121" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of going to the Org file""" start="00:10:11.660" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then searching for the talk,""" start="00:10:13.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've made a little Hydra with keyboard shortcuts.""" start="00:10:14.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of these shortcuts lets me""" start="00:10:17.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jump to a talk with completion""" start="00:10:19.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can just type in part of the talk ID,""" start="00:10:20.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""title, or speaker name.""" start="00:10:24.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also defined some Embark actions""" start="00:10:26.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can act on a talk right from the completion menu.""" start="00:10:28.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I might want to jump to the wiki page""" start="00:10:32.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or e-mail the speaker.""" start="00:10:35.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Logbook""" start="00:10:36.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I can also add notes to a talk while looking at an email,""" start="00:10:36.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when a speaker lets me know""" start="00:10:40.100" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that their video will be late.""" start="00:10:41.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Making it easy to add a note turns Emacs into""" start="00:10:43.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very basic contact relationship management system, or CRM.""" start="00:10:45.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The way this works is that we have a function""" start="00:10:49.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lists all the email addresses associated with a talk.""" start="00:10:52.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can then map that over the list of talks,""" start="00:10:55.460" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look up the author of the current email,""" start="00:10:57.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prompt the user for the talk to add the note to, and add the note.""" start="00:10:59.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Captions""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""On to captions.""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've been doing captions for the last couple of years,""" start="00:11:04.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now we have a small army of volunteer captioners.""" start="00:11:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They get early access to the recorded talks""" start="00:11:10.420" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fix up misrecognized words, format keyboard shortcuts""" start="00:11:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to follow Emacs conventions, spell names correctly,""" start="00:11:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do all sorts of other wonderful things.""" start="00:11:19.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of our evil plans with EmacsConf""" start="00:11:21.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to get cool stuff out of people's heads into videos""" start="00:11:24.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also make captions so that those videos can be searched.""" start="00:11:28.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To make that possible, we first need a backstage area""" start="00:11:32.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where volunteers can get the files.""" start="00:11:35.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just a simple password-protected directory""" start="00:11:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a static HTML page that lists the talks by status""" start="00:11:39.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and shows the files related to each talk.""" start="00:11:43.740" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a talk moves through the process, I update its TODO state""" start="00:11:46.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and republish this index.""" start="00:11:49.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Talks that are ready to be captioned show up in that section,""" start="00:11:51.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and volunteers can call dibs on the talk they're interested in.""" start="00:11:54.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all done with a function that formats the information""" start="00:11:58.180" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and uses TRAMP to save the file directly to the server.""" start="00:12:00.980" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find more details on our captioning process""" start="00:12:04.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at emacsconf.org/captioning.""" start="00:12:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like using subed to edit subtitles within Emacs.""" start="00:12:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Crontabs and playing the talks""" start="00:12:13.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's talk about actually playing the talks.""" start="00:12:13.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For EmacsConf 2022, we tried using Emacs timers""" start="00:12:16.060" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run the talks.""" start="00:12:19.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It turns out that you can't call TRAMP from a timer""" start="00:12:20.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're already using TRAMP from another timer""" start="00:12:24.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time.""" 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Emacs has an IRC client.""" start="00:13:45.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, it has several.""" start="00:13:48.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:13:49.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""It seems like a lot of automation and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:13:49.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, all of this was just built up little by little.""" start="00:13:53.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And tinkering with this is *fun*, you know?""" start="00:13:56.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like always being able to ask,""" start="00:13:59.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..."""" start="00:14:01.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then actually being able to go and do it.""" start="00:14:03.301" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it feels like EmacsConf is an excuse""" start="00:14:05.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me to play with Emacs.""" start="00:14:08.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty amazing what you can do""" start="00:14:10.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by combining a bunch of pieces.""" start="00:14:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A way to store slightly-structured information.""" start="00:14:13.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A way to get it out again. 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A chat client.""" start="00:14:25.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can smoosh them all together""" start="00:14:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way that you couldn't if they were all separate things.""" start="00:14:29.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code is in the emacsconf-el repository.""" start="00:14:32.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a bit of a tangle because it's accumulating organically""" start="00:14:36.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I haven't really had the brainspace""" start="00:14:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to step back and clean it up.""" start="00:14:40.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you spotted anything interesting in this presentation,""" start="00:14:42.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go check it out and see what you can scavenge.""" start="00:14:45.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The link and this presentation are available""" start="00:14:48.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from this talk's webpage at emacsconf.org/2023/talks/emacsconf .""" start="00:14:51.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's figure out how to make Emacsconf even awesomer next year!""" start="00:14:59.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +<a name="emacsconf-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right. I have unmuted.""" start="00:00:53.489" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while since I've actually done an""" start="00:00:59.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual presentation. Hi.""" start="00:01:05.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I'm going to deafen myself and mumble""" start="00:01:08.979" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I don't get distracted by backstage""" start="00:01:12.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chatter. Hello, everyone! Okay,""" start="00:01:16.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so where are we? Questions,""" start="00:01:17.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, questions. Okay,""" start="00:01:20.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how easy would it be for someone else to""" start="00:01:23.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reuse the Emacs conf strips and config to do""" start="00:01:25.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a conf of their own? 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I don't know if it's going to be""" start="00:02:01.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy. I don't even know if it's going to be""" start="00:02:03.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible, but it might be fun to try.""" start="00:02:04.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What tools would I like to exist in Emacs""" start="00:02:09.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""land to help with preparing the conference""" start="00:02:11.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next time? 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Who knows?""" start="00:03:07.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, the other thing that I would really love""" start="00:03:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have that people always ask for is a way""" start="00:03:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from Emacs to interact with the Etherpad.""" start="00:03:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Etherpad API, it seems very granular.""" start="00:03:18.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, you can set the HTML of a pad,""" start="00:03:21.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can't actually just append stuff to""" start="00:03:22.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. 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Go ahead know,""" start="01:00:10.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right, I'll do the wrapping up for the""" start="01:00:12.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps the stream. We might leave it up""" start="01:00:13.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's no impetus for us to close""" start="01:00:16.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. But at least to officially close while""" start="01:00:20.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're still there, EmacsConf 2023,""" start="01:00:22.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will have again to thank everyone,""" start="01:00:25.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the speakers, all my co-organizers for""" start="01:00:28.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making this possible. 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Floey might drop out,""" start="01:01:37.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I might drop out, Sasha might drop out,""" start="01:01:39.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we'll be here to answer as many questions""" start="01:01:41.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you want for as long as we can.""" start="01:01:43.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye everyone and let's get started with""" start="01:01:46.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the after show now.""" start="01:01:46.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Bye Leo, bye Chloe! I'll drop out eventually""" start="01:01:51.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the kiddo yells at me.""" start="01:01:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can't tell you how much fun this is,""" start="01:01:56.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah. The way to remember what I said,""" start="01:01:58.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo, it's 100% true. Oh man,""" start="01:02:00.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""turning off your lights,""" start="01:02:01.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm doing it. I'm doing it too.""" start="01:02:02.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry y'all. 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Right? It's like back to""" start="01:52:10.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan's point, what, 6 and a half hours ago,""" start="01:52:13.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, you know, 20 minutes ago about""" start="01:52:16.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just... Oh gosh, I lost it.""" start="01:52:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Boy, I really thought I had handed that""" start="01:52:27.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""neatly back to you.""" start="01:52:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: No problem, Yeah, I think we're in general in""" start="01:52:36.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agreement.""" start="01:52:36.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: If we are now in the realm of Concord,""" start="01:52:41.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of harmony, and the realm of midnight in""" start="01:52:44.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Europe, Should we bring this discussion to a""" start="01:52:47.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""close or we could go all night,""" start="01:52:49.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll need to explain to my employer why""" start="01:52:51.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my eyes are barely open tomorrow.""" start="01:52:52.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think that's probably a good idea.""" start="01:52:56.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see some folks starting to slowly sign off.""" start="01:52:59.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, also, you know, Leo,""" start="01:53:02.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could leave and just miss out.""" start="01:53:04.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What?""" start="01:53:05.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Hey, Sasha, can I say something like what an""" start="01:53:13.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amazing job with everything you're doing in""" start="01:53:15.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community over the years?""" start="01:53:16.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm so impressed with Emacs News.""" start="01:53:18.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What a great resource to stay up to date in""" start="01:53:22.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. Just really hats off to you for a""" start="01:53:24.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whole lot.""" start="01:53:25.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thank you""" start="01:53:26.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: very much. It actually turned out to be quite""" start="01:53:29.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""timely that John Wheatley had suggested it""" start="01:53:31.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back when he was maintainer because when I""" start="01:53:35.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""had the kiddo, I suddenly had 0 time to""" start="01:53:36.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually write new things.""" start="01:53:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But reading things is fine.""" start="01:53:39.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just speed read all the Reddit things""" start="01:53:41.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put the links together.""" start="01:53:43.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm very glad that Emacs news is helpful.""" start="01:53:45.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: it really is, yeah.""" start="01:53:49.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: It is, So, okay, now let's try to go for our""" start="01:53:55.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""closing thoughts here while Leo's still here.""" start="01:54:00.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then if we wanna keep rolling,""" start="01:54:01.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even after Leo drops, we won't tell him,""" start="01:54:04.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll tell him we're stuck.""" start="01:54:06.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I guess that was a beacon to me to perhaps go""" start="01:54:12.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the second close of the day I've already""" start="01:54:14.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done it I can do it again But I will prove""" start="01:54:18.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasha wrong this time.""" start="01:54:19.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will miss out if need be because really,""" start="01:54:21.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have been very impressed with the sleep""" start="01:54:24.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""record that you had and I am very envious""" start="01:54:28.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right now of your past ability to sleep more""" start="01:54:32.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than 9 hours per night.""" start="01:54:33.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I wish I would be able to go back to""" start="01:54:35.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this. But anyway, folks,""" start="01:54:37.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to drop out.""" start="01:54:38.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People might hang out for a little while""" start="01:54:40.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""longer. Bear in mind that Sasha might get""" start="01:54:42.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called at any point to go take care of Kido.""" start="01:54:44.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this might wrap up very fast afterwards.""" start="01:54:47.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But at any rate, it was my pleasure to be the""" start="01:54:49.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""host today. Stefan, thank you for joining.""" start="01:54:51.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bob, thank you for joining and interacting""" start="01:54:53.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with us and making this a little more""" start="01:54:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactive and more plural than just the""" start="01:54:58.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""co-organizers. And on that note,""" start="01:55:01.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be leaving. So have a wonderful night,""" start="01:55:03.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. And we'll see you next year for the""" start="01:55:05.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next edition, potentially.""" start="01:55:06.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thank you, Leo. You're my hero.""" start="01:55:09.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I take everything I said on mumble back.""" start="01:55:11.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're amazing.""" start="01:55:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: bye everyone.""" start="01:55:14.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, Thank you all.""" start="01:55:16.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care. Bye. I will""" start="01:55:17.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: also say bye bye. I also need to go to bed.""" start="01:55:20.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all for this cool conference and""" start="01:55:22.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully we're here through the year and at""" start="01:55:24.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""least in 1 year.""" start="01:55:25.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: You've probably made the rest of the rest of""" start="01:55:30.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the victorious. You really stepped up.""" start="01:55:34.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: your contributions.""" start="01:55:38.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thanks so much for Yeah,""" start="01:55:38.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: thanks so much for being a part of it,""" start="01:55:40.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specifically you, Floey,""" start="01:55:41.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just everyone. Thank you all.""" start="01:55:43.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: Have a nice day or night and we'll hear each""" start="01:55:48.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other. Bye!""" start="01:55:48.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: See you. Okay, well,""" start="01:55:51.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thanks, Zen. I'll go next.""" start="01:55:51.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm the next newest, I think.""" start="01:55:53.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I want to say also,""" start="01:55:59.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, Bob and Stefan,""" start="01:56:01.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much for jumping in and""" start="01:56:03.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""participating in the closing remarks.""" start="01:56:04.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I too think it's a lot of,""" start="01:56:06.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, it's fun to just,""" start="01:56:08.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, share the buzz after the convention.""" start="01:56:10.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got all these millions of ideas and""" start="01:56:13.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then to have a group, a little group think""" start="01:56:16.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about what we're walking away from that with.""" start="01:56:18.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is the temperature of the fire in your""" start="01:56:22.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""belly? And it's just...""" start="01:56:24.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, this is 1 of the highlights of my""" start="01:56:28.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""year in a way that it's just...""" start="01:56:30.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think other people...""" start="01:56:31.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I dare explain it to other""" start="01:56:33.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people. I think my wife understands and I""" start="01:56:35.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will do. So thank you very much for this""" start="01:56:40.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference and the opportunity to participate""" start="01:56:42.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in it. You know, just the conversation,""" start="01:56:45.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how vibrant the chat is on IRC,""" start="01:56:48.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how the variety of talks,""" start="01:56:52.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of the talks that look like television""" start="01:56:54.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""content to me and others that look a lot like""" start="01:56:59.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my talk. And working through your slides and""" start="01:57:03.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing it live and you know I appreciate that""" start="01:57:06.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we make a place for all those levels and and""" start="01:57:10.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show people how to improve our craft as well.""" start="01:57:12.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not actually dropping or going anywhere.""" start="01:57:26.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll continue to talk about eMAX until I get""" start="01:57:29.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dinner time bell. I've probably got an""" start="01:57:30.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hour here. I'll tell you what will happen""" start="01:57:40.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""though is I'm guaranteed to light a""" start="01:57:42.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cigarette. You can already see me kind of""" start="01:57:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hovering about my room because I'm trying to""" start="01:57:45.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""avoid like smoking on camera.""" start="01:57:47.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know where that came from.""" start="01:57:49.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm giving it up in approximately 5 seconds.""" start="01:57:52.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Yeah I'm gonna hop off.""" start="01:57:58.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's possibly right here.""" start="01:58:00.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll work tomorrow.""" start="01:58:02.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I took the next 2 days off.""" start="01:58:06.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm actually going camping,""" start="01:58:07.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan. I know I've learned that this""" start="01:58:11.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference leaves me completely emotionally""" start="01:58:12.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exhausted. I just like,""" start="01:58:16.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, I watch all,""" start="01:58:18.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I feel like I just connect with all the,""" start="01:58:20.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like it's this time where I connect with all""" start="01:58:23.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these people that spend as much time thinking""" start="01:58:25.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Emacs as I do.""" start="01:58:26.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, so maybe we should wrap up before""" start="01:58:31.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have like, you know,""" start="01:58:32.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that overflow error and just...""" start="01:58:35.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: In buster thrill, okay.""" start="01:58:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you""" start="01:58:41.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: so much, everyone. Let us actually wrap up""" start="01:58:45.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then. Everyone can find the recordings if you""" start="01:58:47.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to keep the conversation going.""" start="01:58:48.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are meetups, there are people's blog""" start="01:58:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""posts and video channels and mailing lists""" start="01:58:54.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all those other things.""" start="01:58:55.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often I list a lot of meetups in Emacs news""" start="01:58:58.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's another great way to stay connected""" start="01:59:00.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the year and we hope to see everybody""" start="01:59:02.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next year at EmacsConf 2024.""" start="01:59:04.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Thanks Sasha for the send off and goodbye to""" start="01:59:11.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. Oh Sasha I think you were muted but""" start="01:59:16.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes I was still there I assume that's what""" start="01:59:18.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just said. I lied.""" start="01:59:21.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was staying around like Corwin was.""" start="01:59:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just said goodbye, but then I wait in the""" start="01:59:25.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bushes, waiting for the ambush.""" start="01:59:26.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Well I'm personally surprised,""" start="01:59:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speaking for myself. I wouldn't have guessed""" start="01:59:32.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would happen. All right,""" start="01:59:36.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: The perfect moment. well,""" start="01:59:36.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess that's a wrap then.""" start="01:59:37.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, everyone, and see you next year.""" start="01:59:39.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I thought we were clear like 10 minutes ago.""" start="01:59:43.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are we not? We are, right?""" start="01:59:45.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're definitely clear.""" start="01:59:47.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: OK, I'm""" start="01:59:48.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: hanging up now. Good night.""" start="01:59:49.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was wonderful to meet you.""" start="01:59:50.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Take care Corwin""" start="01:59:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Bye Stefan. Bye. Bye all""" start="01:59:56.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md b/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a633568d --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-after.md b/2023/info/emacsen-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d45b44d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1671 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="emacsen-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Fermin.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I'm going to talk about the Emacsen family,""" start="00:00:03.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the design of an Emacs, and the importance of Lisp.""" start="00:00:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to talk about Lisp.""" start="00:00:11.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to start from the end.""" start="00:00:13.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Why Lisp matters""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The first question I want to ask is""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why I think Lisp matters.""" start="00:00:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I'm talking about Lisp here,""" start="00:00:21.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm talking about the idea of Lisp,""" start="00:00:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the family of languages that are Lisp.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But given that there's no formal specification of Lisp,""" start="00:00:30.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the opinion might vary. I will expect that Lisp,""" start="00:00:34.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the Lisp have these kind of features.""" start="00:00:40.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is homoiconic:""" start="00:00:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the code is data, basically.""" start="00:00:46.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They also have a REPL: read-eval-print loop.""" start="00:00:49.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is very powerful and can help in development.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I think a good Lisp""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should have a powerful macro system.""" start="00:01:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm good with compile-time macros,""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but read-time is also interesting.""" start="00:01:05.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot of Lisp that you can choose.""" start="00:01:07.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the main three ones, of course,""" start="00:01:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Scheme, Common Lisp, and Clojure.""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scheme by Guile, Common Lisp by Common Lisp,""" start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Clojure by Clojure or ClojureScript.""" start="00:01:19.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Why Emacs Lisp was chosen""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's talk about Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't mention Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk about why Emacs Lisp""" start="00:01:29.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was chosen for an Emacs editor.""" start="00:01:32.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to explore this kind of design of the Emacs.""" start="00:01:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Emacs Lisp is the main language of it. Why?""" start="00:01:39.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Given that there were a few alternatives at the time,""" start="00:01:42.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why Emacs Lisp was chosen?""" start="00:01:44.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So RMS, Richard Stallman, needed a Lisp,""" start="00:01:48.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there wasn't one available at the time.""" start="00:01:51.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, this was the early 80s.""" start="00:01:54.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stallman was writing at that point the GCC, I think,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was writing the core components""" start="00:02:03.241" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what is going to become GNU.""" start="00:02:07.975" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He needed an editor. He wanted Lisp. He wanted Emacs.""" start="00:02:10.441" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So he wrote Emacs Lisp. So at that time,""" start="00:02:15.500" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the functionality was more important than "perfection."""" start="00:02:20.281" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean [by] "perfection" is: we programmers""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes like to make everything good""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or very, very good when sometimes, indeed,""" start="00:02:33.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's more important that it works""" start="00:02:36.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do the task that it should.""" start="00:02:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's not a bad language.""" start="00:02:42.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not that bad. At that time, it was mostly nice.""" start="00:02:44.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, it's good enough, I think.""" start="00:02:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Other "Emacsen"""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""He wasn't the first one, the GNU Emacs,""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nor the only one, of course.""" start="00:02:59.461" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There were others: Hemlock, Zmacs, and Climacs...""" start="00:03:02.541" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Two of them, I think, were written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:06.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Zmacs was written in a Lisp from a Lisp machine,""" start="00:03:08.981" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it was an implementation of Emacs.""" start="00:03:14.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not GNU Emacs, but the original idea""" start="00:03:16.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs for a Lisp machine.""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Hemlock was written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:22.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's no longer used and no longer developed,""" start="00:03:23.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as I know. And Climacs, it was developed,""" start="00:03:26.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was abandoned, I think.""" start="00:03:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So three of them failed for different reasons.""" start="00:03:31.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zmacs was because of the Lisp machine market crash,""" start="00:03:33.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yeah, it also failed.""" start="00:03:37.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Why not Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So Emacs got alone. And in the 90s, interesting to explore,""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some people suggest that why""" start="00:03:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now that we have a standard Lisp, right,""" start="00:03:46.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Common Lisp was standardized in '94,""" start="00:03:49.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why don't we change Emacs Lisp to Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the other reasons I think are important,""" start="00:03:56.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's why Stallman didn't choose Common Lisp.""" start="00:03:59.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think the main one""" start="00:04:01.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I didn't write here""" start="00:04:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that Stallman wasn't a big fan of Common Lisp,""" start="00:04:03.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was at the time the main developer""" start="00:04:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maintainer, of course, for Emacs.""" start="00:04:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So he chose not to move to Common Lisp.""" start="00:04:14.041" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But other reasons may be why...""" start="00:04:16.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because he had a late and painful standardization.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, the first book that Guy Steele wrote""" start="00:04:22.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was in 1984. The standardization finished in 19--""" start="00:04:28.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, in 1984 was the first book""" start="00:04:32.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the standardization finished in 1994.""" start="00:04:38.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, like, 10 years of difference from one to the other.""" start="00:04:44.421" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10 years of a lot of talk, a lot of money,""" start="00:04:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a lot of pain probably.""" start="00:04:51.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Lisp usage declined in the 90s""" start="00:04:56.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to the AI winter.""" start="00:04:59.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all know about the Lisp machine market crash.""" start="00:05:00.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the failure of commercial Lisp machine was""" start="00:05:03.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inevitable at that point.""" start="00:05:08.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all the potential Emacs friends died.""" start="00:05:12.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also a lot of Emacs Lisp was already available.""" start="00:05:17.161" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs was already an amateur utility.""" start="00:05:21.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unix won the war of the operating system, as we know,""" start="00:05:24.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs Lisp was available in Unix,""" start="00:05:29.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or in GNU/Linux, as we know,""" start="00:05:33.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the most successful implementation of Unix.""" start="00:05:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, BSD. Okay.""" start="00:05:40.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs won by being the "better" alternative.""" start="00:05:44.208" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm quoting "better" here because""" start="00:05:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Emacs does have a better design""" start="00:05:50.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, well, it was the one that survived, right?""" start="00:05:53.700" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is the more important thing for a software or,""" start="00:05:56.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know... So Emacs won by being free,""" start="00:06:00.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also in price, which I think the Lisp machine wasn't.""" start="00:06:05.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that was also very good. It was included.""" start="00:06:08.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It had, and it still has, of course,""" start="00:06:11.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a nice collection of packages""" start="00:06:14.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that improve the standard functionality.""" start="00:06:15.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was easy to extend because of the nature of Lisp.""" start="00:06:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has a very good integration with GNU/Linux,""" start="00:06:23.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course. It was created to write it.""" start="00:06:26.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes sense that it's very good""" start="00:06:29.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a system administration perspective.""" start="00:06:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""But I think Common Lisp is not dead yet.""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or some people say that it's always dead,""" start="00:06:43.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you cannot kill the something that is always dead.""" start="00:06:45.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't always code in C,""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when I do, it's Lisp. I'm not a big fan of C""" start="00:06:50.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a lot of things, but yeah.""" start="00:06:54.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why I think Common Lisp is still relevant""" start="00:06:58.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can be used for all kind of application,""" start="00:07:02.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both commercially and non-commercially.""" start="00:07:05.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is the main implementation""" start="00:07:09.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Common Lisp, which is called SBCL, which is awesome.""" start="00:07:11.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's fast. 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But today are like 20 MB,""" start="00:08:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in today's standard is nothing.""" start="00:08:23.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's pictures in your phone larger than 20 MB.""" start="00:08:26.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation""" start="00:08:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So there's a new Emacs in town--well, Emacs, not Emacs,""" start="00:08:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is Lem. 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It's the project.""" start="00:09:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the main one, right? Why choose another one?""" start="00:09:12.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Lem is relatively new, 2018.""" start="00:09:15.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it can explore different ideas.""" start="00:09:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was developed by Sasaki-san.""" start="00:09:20.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, it was mostly a one-month project,""" start="00:09:21.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are getting there. I'm not the maintainer.""" start="00:09:26.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a developer of Lem. 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This is finished.""" start="00:11:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, finished in the way that you can use it.""" start="00:11:10.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not, you know, have everything in place.""" start="00:11:14.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's continue.""" start="00:11:17.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written 100% in Common Lisp.""" start="00:11:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I say this because Emacs is not""" start="00:11:22.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""100% in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:11:23.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to modify the C code,""" start="00:11:26.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, well, if you... 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Emacs Lisp is Emacs and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you have to, you have both in the same place,""" start="00:11:53.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, well, it's a double-edged sword, right?""" start="00:11:56.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you have the both--similar to Emacs--""" start="00:12:00.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have ncurses and SDL2 frontends.""" start="00:12:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is terminal-based and the other is graphical""" start="00:12:05.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the SDL2 library,""" start="00:12:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you can do a lot of crazy things.""" start="00:12:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, it's meant to program games and stuff,""" start="00:12:13.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Lem uses, and it works fairly well.""" start="00:12:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can program games if you want.""" start="00:12:19.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not that you need to or anything, but we have Tetris.""" start="00:12:21.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's that.""" start="00:12:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, separate front-end interface.""" start="00:12:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like I said, you have two, but you can create more.""" start="00:12:31.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the past, had an electron one,""" start="00:12:34.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it got abandoned for obvious reasons, I think. Sorry.""" start="00:12:36.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This idea is taken from Neovim that had a lot of frontends.""" start="00:12:41.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, we don't have that many,""" start="00:12:45.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not that many people we have two.""" start="00:12:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works fairly well.""" start="00:12:49.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have superb development experience thanks to SLIME.""" start="00:12:51.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have Micro,""" start="00:12:56.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a SLIME version for Lem, basically.""" start="00:13:01.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SLIME is awesome and Micro is also awesome.""" start="00:13:04.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a very strong development experience""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we don't have for a Lisp,""" start="00:13:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think is very important.""" start="00:13:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want someone to develop packages or to use your tool,""" start="00:13:17.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your Emacs at least,""" start="00:13:20.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to have a very good development experience,""" start="00:13:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which enhance the extensions for the editor.""" start="00:13:28.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have also Vim-like integration.""" start="00:13:34.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This for me was mostly mandatory""" start="00:13:36.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm an evil-mode user, and I think it's really good.""" start="00:13:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because evil-mode is very good and the VMode,""" start="00:13:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which it's called, even though it's more like Vim mode,""" start="00:13:49.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's called VMode. 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So why not just take what is working, right?""" start="00:14:29.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have similar command,""" start="00:14:33.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but flexible to add other default ones.""" start="00:14:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like Emacs that you have Emacs commands.""" start="00:14:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem has Emacs command by default,""" start="00:14:42.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can easily change that""" start="00:14:45.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other default ones, right?""" start="00:14:47.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, you can think of it like a major mode, right?""" start="00:14:49.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, more like a global mode,""" start="00:14:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry. That's a global mode of Emacs commands,""" start="00:14:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:14:57.961" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In general, the feeling is really close.""" start="00:14:59.361" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you will tell that it's really close to how both work,""" start="00:15:01.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar commands, and that shows.""" start="00:15:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Differences, Common Lisp is not Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:15:07.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's similar in the surface.""" start="00:15:12.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it uses `defun`, you know, have parentheses""" start="00:15:13.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yada, yada, but it's not the same language, really,""" start="00:15:16.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sometimes you will find""" start="00:15:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the differences are substantial.""" start="00:15:20.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The internals are completely different,""" start="00:15:23.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course, nothing, well, completely.""" start="00:15:24.860" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have a buffer implementation and other things,""" start="00:15:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in general, yeah, aside from that,""" start="00:15:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's completely different.""" start="00:15:32.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's true that GNU Emacs""" start="00:15:34.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a better documentation tutorial.""" start="00:15:36.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So GNU Emacs for me, I think it's""" start="00:15:37.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one of the best-documented software ever.""" start="00:15:39.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're trying to go there, but we're still not there.""" start="00:15:41.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:15:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's do the demo. 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This is the V mode, right?""" start="00:16:03.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the top right corner, we have fundamental,""" start="00:16:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the major mode, then paredit,""" start="00:16:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like the minor mode, but you know,""" start="00:16:11.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is like the paredit for Emacs.""" start="00:16:15.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the top left buffer,""" start="00:16:16.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the current buffer.""" start="00:16:19.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's open the... Emacs, we all know how to do this.""" start="00:16:22.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a command, like explore this command,""" start="00:16:26.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like `open-init-file`. This opens the init file,""" start="00:16:29.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in this directory, in `~/.lem/init.lisp`.""" start="00:16:31.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, this is very similar, right?""" start="00:16:34.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You define a command, which is not interactive,""" start="00:16:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you get the buffer, right?""" start="00:16:40.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a... So my personal command...""" start="00:16:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go to the one that I just opened. Init file, right?""" start="00:16:44.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a command that I did,""" start="00:16:48.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is `find-file`.""" start="00:16:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very similar to [??], but just `find-file`.""" start="00:16:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, very similar.""" start="00:16:56.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the way that you program in Lem.""" start="00:16:58.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the major mode, which is Lisp,""" start="00:17:01.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're seeing at the top, right?""" start="00:17:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can connect if we `slime-self-connect`.""" start="00:17:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the prompt. This is the REPL.""" start="00:17:10.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we... Keep in mind that this is Common Lisp,""" start="00:17:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this has different things.""" start="00:17:17.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have to go to the Lem package,""" start="00:17:20.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very important. This has namespaces, right?""" start="00:17:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not the same. And we can say, okay,""" start="00:17:26.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`current-buffer`. We get the buffer.""" start="00:17:29.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can explore everything that is in it, right?""" start="00:17:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have all this stuff. This is... If you're familiar""" start="00:17:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with SLIME or Sly, this is it.""" start="00:17:38.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that we can say, buffer, I think it's `buffer-name`.""" start="00:17:41.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. 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I think that's it.""" start="00:18:06.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all very much for listening to me.""" start="00:18:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I point out""" start="00:18:13.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacsen family is really interesting.""" start="00:18:15.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp is really good, and GNU Emacs is really good,""" start="00:18:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think Lem is also pretty awesome.""" start="00:18:19.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="00:18:21.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll be answering the question now. And happy hacking.""" start="00:18:23.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +<a name="emacsen-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Here.""" start="00:00:00.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Yeah. So thanks,""" start="00:00:05.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fermin, for the great talk.""" start="00:00:06.279" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People have questions,""" start="00:00:08.039" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please post them on the pad or the IRC as""" start="00:00:12.179" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and we'll take them up.""" start="00:00:13.259" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Thank you very much. The guests will be here""" start="00:00:17.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to answer questions. 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Yeah, I put the wrong URL.""" start="00:00:41.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, not a big deal really,""" start="00:00:46.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you look it up. Yeah,""" start="00:00:48.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's really better. Thank you very much.""" start="00:00:50.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Checking, no questions.""" start="00:00:56.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very good to be in touch.""" start="00:00:58.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, we have a question here in the big blue""" start="00:01:17.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button chat.""" start="00:01:17.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, public chat. I see.""" start="00:01:21.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is LEM an acronym? I think it is,""" start="00:01:26.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I never remember. The complete name is""" start="00:01:32.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like something... It's also a circle,""" start="00:01:36.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, you know, a self-referencing,""" start="00:01:38.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, recursive name.""" start="00:01:41.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I never remember it, sorry.""" start="00:01:42.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like... Yeah, someone...""" start="00:01:45.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, someone asked about the DEM community,""" start="00:01:50.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how big it is. So I don't remember,""" start="00:01:56.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to answer the question,""" start="00:01:57.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember the acronym,""" start="00:01:58.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it is an acronym. I just never...""" start="00:02:00.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's not written anywhere,""" start="00:02:04.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, or someone...""" start="00:02:06.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I never check it. 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We use the QuickLisp""" start="00:02:21.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""infrastructure to get packages,""" start="00:02:26.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's very easy to install packages.""" start="00:02:29.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, we don't have a package manager""" start="00:02:33.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as in Emacs, half a packet.l.""" start="00:02:35.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're using the same common list""" start="00:02:39.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""infrastructure to provide the different""" start="00:02:41.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages. 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Everything is going to the core""" start="00:03:27.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for now, because we need that functionality.""" start="00:03:29.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the future, we probably will split it up""" start="00:03:32.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""way more. But let me first answer a question""" start="00:03:37.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the other part. How large is the LEN""" start="00:03:42.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community? Hope it's a chance of survival""" start="00:03:44.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""long term. So we are a very small community,""" start="00:03:47.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mostly because Sasaki-san,""" start="00:03:51.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the main developers of the community,""" start="00:03:54.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are from Japan and some of them,""" start="00:03:57.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or most of them, don't know English.""" start="00:03:58.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the beginning, LEM was a very""" start="00:04:01.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Japanese-centric tooling because barrier of""" start="00:04:05.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language, most of the users are from Japan.""" start="00:04:06.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So different communities.""" start="00:04:08.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, I don't know why,""" start="00:04:12.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the main maintainer,""" start="00:04:13.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is Asaki-san, very good guy and a very,""" start="00:04:17.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very talented developer.""" start="00:04:19.079" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He doesn't like to, you know,""" start="00:04:21.779" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at first the project was all in Japanese,""" start="00:04:24.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so he doesn't care if someone uses the""" start="00:04:27.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project or not. 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The LEM, like I said,""" start="00:14:44.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are like 345 developers that write""" start="00:14:49.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages and answer questions and stuff.""" start="00:14:51.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we need users in that way to test things.""" start="00:14:55.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what is the license of LEM?""" start="00:14:58.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The license of LEM is MAT.""" start="00:15:00.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some components of all the various""" start="00:15:02.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""licenses, but the main 1 is MAT.""" start="00:15:04.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't choose the license of it.""" start="00:15:07.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would highly prefer a more like GPL 1,""" start="00:15:11.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but like I said I'm not a maintainer,""" start="00:15:13.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the license is MAT.""" start="00:15:15.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This question, I realize,""" start="00:15:19.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how far is LEM from being able to remove a""" start="00:15:22.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""list libraries? 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We do have a clone of""" start="00:16:56.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maggot that works, more or less.""" start="00:16:58.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, it does work, but maggot's just better.""" start="00:17:01.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's getting there.""" start="00:17:03.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like I said, we're trying to,""" start="00:17:05.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not to copy one-to-one,""" start="00:17:06.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to adapting each tool to LEM.""" start="00:17:09.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are LEM buffer designs similar to Emacs?""" start="00:17:13.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that would be,""" start="00:17:19.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so how a blend buffer design,""" start="00:17:21.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to Emacs. 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You can,""" start="00:17:41.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you're very interested,""" start="00:17:43.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to go too much deep into the,""" start="00:17:45.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let me go to, I don't want to go too much""" start="00:17:51.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deep into the technicality of things now,""" start="00:17:55.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can go. So LEM is written 100% in""" start="00:17:57.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Common Lisp. So if you know Common Lisp,""" start="00:18:00.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go to buffer. You can check all the""" start="00:18:03.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""codes here. Always we have,""" start="00:18:08.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we also have this, which is like StreamX.""" start="00:18:12.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry to that, I don't.""" start="00:18:17.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, So you can see.""" start="00:18:21.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, if you go to the code base,""" start="00:18:24.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe some of you can check this problem.""" start="00:18:26.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, not problem, but yeah.""" start="00:18:28.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's this Japanese comment.""" start="00:18:30.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see here why it's very,""" start="00:18:35.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have to translate and stuff,""" start="00:18:38.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is sometimes a little bit annoying.""" start="00:18:39.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, some of them are in English.""" start="00:18:44.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this play is not the same.""" start="00:18:47.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you're interested,""" start="00:18:48.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go to the buffer and check it out for""" start="00:18:51.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yourself. 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Thank you, Vitaliy.""" start="00:22:16.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cheers. Cheers. So finishing the answer to""" start="00:22:25.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question, I think LEM does tries to fix""" start="00:22:30.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some Emacs problems, can we fix problems""" start="00:22:31.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regarding the internal API,""" start="00:22:35.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes sense, right?""" start="00:22:37.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs have like 40 years,""" start="00:22:39.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a lot. And yeah,""" start="00:22:42.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, that's what makes me happy.""" start="00:22:44.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use both now. I use Maggis and Emacs for""" start="00:22:47.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some languages and then I use LEM for Common""" start="00:22:50.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp and other languages.""" start="00:22:51.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use LEM for EmacLisp,""" start="00:22:55.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes LEM the second best editor for""" start="00:22:59.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacLisp. 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Emacs syntax more than Markdown.""" start="00:28:27.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, for instance, you have the double""" start="00:28:29.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""square brackets, which is simpler for me to""" start="00:28:31.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look at, but.""" start="00:28:32.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, I guess it's a matter of,""" start="00:28:35.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, we don't have yet a major mode of R""" start="00:28:38.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode, which will be quite trivial.""" start="00:28:39.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, you know, a simple syntax highlights,""" start="00:28:42.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, R mode in LEM,""" start="00:28:46.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because no 1 wrote it.""" start="00:28:52.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, that's the way with this project,""" start="00:28:55.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? 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I'm""" start="01:00:09.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: trying to find the link to his old,""" start="01:00:12.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no longer website. Website.""" start="01:00:16.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Skip. Technical issues.""" start="01:00:21.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe this 1.""" start="01:00:23.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot find it.""" start="01:00:35.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I got it.""" start="01:00:37.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Go to that link. Okay.""" start="01:00:51.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: There's also a FOSDM target associated with""" start="01:01:02.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it too.""" start="01:01:02.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh yeah, interesting. Clash and CH.""" start="01:01:07.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CH. Oh, I was looking at the clesh.""" start="01:01:13.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clish, so the, let's check for it.""" start="01:01:18.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other 1 is shell and camel.""" start="01:01:23.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This 1.""" start="01:01:24.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Interesting. Oops. 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Sorry? 0 yeah,""" start="01:04:40.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I in fact saw him live in the FOSDEM 2020.""" start="01:04:44.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So I a little bit. 2020.""" start="01:04:50.053" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we him""" start="01:04:50.166" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: talked with him a little bit The first time""" start="01:04:51.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is here in well here in Europe here in""" start="01:04:55.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Brussels like 3 hours away or 2 hours away in""" start="01:05:01.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plane from where I am.""" start="01:05:02.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 1 of the things that's kind of interesting""" start="01:05:05.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with, you have some of""" start="01:05:06.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: the people who come from Europe to the US and""" start="01:05:09.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're like, oh, I want to visit all the""" start="01:05:11.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""corners of the US in a couple of days.""" start="01:05:13.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's like, No, US is the size of Europe.""" start="01:05:17.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: The""" start="01:05:19.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: states are the size of their countries.""" start="01:05:21.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't...""" start="01:05:23.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I know. I know. It's very...""" start="01:05:27.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's huge. And it's like 6 hours different""" start="01:05:30.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from coast to coast, something like that.""" start="01:05:32.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, and that's driving as fast as you can""" start="01:05:38.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the freeway, on the best roads that you""" start="01:05:39.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possibly can, not taking...""" start="01:05:41.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, that would be...""" start="01:05:45.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the thing that I try to do also with LEM""" start="01:05:53.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to move my workflow from LEM to Emax,""" start="01:05:57.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so for Emax to LEM, use it more.""" start="01:06:01.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope to, we still have a long way to go""" start="01:06:07.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of usability,""" start="01:06:08.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of other things,""" start="01:06:10.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we need more power.""" start="01:06:12.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So This is also my attempt to do some""" start="01:06:18.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publicity to the Blend project itself,""" start="01:06:20.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to need to add more users,""" start="01:06:23.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be willing to try and to fail trying,""" start="01:06:26.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we still have some rough edges.""" start="01:06:29.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, just trying to do that,""" start="01:06:38.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, and I apologize to the Emaclist""" start="01:06:41.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community, which I'm part of,""" start="01:06:43.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't want to like,""" start="01:06:44.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""disencourage the use of getting Emacs anyway.""" start="01:06:47.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think both are awesome.""" start="01:06:48.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to anyone to get a real impression.""" start="01:06:51.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: What do""" start="01:06:57.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: you think? PlasmaStrike,""" start="01:06:57.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a very powerful name.""" start="01:07:01.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I don't think that's something to worry""" start="01:07:07.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about. I don't personally,""" start="01:07:09.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm going to watch the EMMS talk.""" start="01:07:15.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that I don't really use too""" start="01:07:17.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much on my Emacs config.""" start="01:07:20.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to let you go.""" start="01:07:22.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: OK, yeah, I'm going to go.""" start="01:07:24.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to maybe watch the garbage""" start="01:07:26.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collector talk, which is interesting.""" start="01:07:27.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="01:07:32.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna go. Thanks for the questions and""" start="01:07:35.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all that. I think I hope I answered correctly""" start="01:07:40.811" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: is part of the value of being part of this is""" start="01:07:47.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: all of them. Yeah, I figure this that's a way""" start="01:07:50.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: conversations. So of saying thank you for""" start="01:07:52.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people sharing interesting talks.""" start="01:07:54.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Indeed. Thank you all very much for going to""" start="01:07:57.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs conf and to watch me.""" start="01:08:02.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="01:08:06.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to go do that.""" start="01:08:09.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: See you.""" start="01:08:10.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md b/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..976d9935 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/gc">emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/emms-after.md b/2023/info/emms-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a9b97368 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emms-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1371 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="emms-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The Sound of Emacs, Emms, The Emacs Multimedia System.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Yoni Rabkin and I'll be talking about Emms;""" start="00:00:05.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Multimedia System.""" start="00:00:09.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is Emms?""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms displays and plays media from within Emacs""" start="00:00:14.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using a variety of external players""" start="00:00:18.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from different media sources.""" start="00:00:20.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can run as a minimalistic player""" start="00:00:23.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is controlled with no more than""" start="00:00:26.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a handful of simple M-x commands,""" start="00:00:28.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as a fully-fledged interactive media browser and player.""" start="00:00:31.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can display album art, play streaming audio,""" start="00:00:36.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tag music files, search for lyrics,""" start="00:00:40.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provide MPD connectivity, control the volume,""" start="00:00:43.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and more. Much more.""" start="00:00:46.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emms project acts like Emacs in microcosm.""" start="00:00:49.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It slowly but surely grows bigger""" start="00:00:53.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gets ever more features.""" start="00:00:56.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perhaps Emms will one day even have a text editor.""" start="00:00:58.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The structure of this talk""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The structure of this talk:""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll start with an introduction to Emms.""" start="00:01:05.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the practical part.""" start="00:01:08.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, a bit about how Emms works. That's the technical part.""" start="00:01:10.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, how we work. All about Emms development.""" start="00:01:15.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction to Emms: The practical part""" start="00:01:21.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Introduction to Emms: The practical part:""" start="00:01:21.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want this talk to be of immediate use to people,""" start="00:01:25.021" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm going to present a quick TL;DR of the Emms manual""" start="00:01:28.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concerning installation and use.""" start="00:01:33.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the end of this part you should be able to""" start="00:01:36.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""install, configure, and use Emms in a variety of ways.""" start="00:01:38.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where can I get Emms?""" start="00:01:45.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is distributed primarily via GNU ELPA.""" start="00:01:48.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's really only a M-x list-packages away at any moment.""" start="00:01:54.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also a website hosted at gnu.org.""" start="00:02:02.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Among other things on the website, you'll find""" start="00:02:07.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a copy of the friendly, robust, and up-to-date user manual.""" start="00:02:11.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Installing Emms has become progressively easier over time""" start="00:02:21.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will continue to get easier.""" start="00:02:25.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the bad old days, it required downloading a tarball""" start="00:02:28.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and compiling a C language shim""" start="00:02:32.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to enable reading metadata from media files.""" start="00:02:35.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But those days are long gone, and installing Emms is now""" start="00:02:38.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as easy as invoking M-x list-packages,""" start="00:02:43.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""installing the Emms package, and placing as few as""" start="00:02:47.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2 or 3 lines of configuration in your Emacs initialization.""" start="00:02:51.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So after the package is installed via ELPA,""" start="00:02:57.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can add these few lines.""" start="00:03:02.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-all` will make available all of the stable features""" start="00:03:08.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are shipped with Emms.""" start="00:03:12.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `emms-player-list` variable is a list of players""" start="00:03:15.740" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like MPV, MPlayer, VLC, etc.""" start="00:03:20.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms will call and control these external players""" start="00:03:25.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to play your media.""" start="00:03:29.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The variable `emms-info-functions` is a list of ways""" start="00:03:32.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emms to read the metadata in your media files""" start="00:03:36.660" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that Emms can display song title, artist name,""" start="00:03:40.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""year of production, etc.""" start="00:03:45.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `emms-info-native` feature in the setup example""" start="00:03:49.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the built-in metadata reader""" start="00:03:55.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written entirely in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:03:58.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there are also other backends""" start="00:04:01.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can call external programs for info""" start="00:04:04.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as TinyTag, the TagLib library, exiftool, and so on.""" start="00:04:07.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can then old-school restart your Emacs""" start="00:04:14.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or simply evaluate the above couple of lines to get going.""" start="00:04:17.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now that we have Emms installed and configured,""" start="00:04:22.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we should load some media for player.""" start="00:04:26.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are multiple ways to load media into Emms for playing.""" start="00:04:29.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can be directories with local files,""" start="00:04:32.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""synchronized from a remote instance of""" start="00:04:36.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a music player daemon, PLS or M3U playlists,""" start="00:04:38.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list of URLs for streaming,""" start="00:04:44.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even Emms' own native playlist format""" start="00:04:47.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is unsurprisingly a just serialized Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:04:51.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No matter how you add tracks to Emms,""" start="00:04:57.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll end up with a playlist.""" start="00:05:00.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A fundamental strength of Emms is that each playlist""" start="00:05:03.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a regular Emacs buffer and the track listing therein""" start="00:05:08.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is nothing more than text lines with property overlays.""" start="00:05:13.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that you can navigate, search, copy,""" start="00:05:17.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and edit an Emms playlist buffer""" start="00:05:21.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as you would any Emacs buffer.""" start="00:05:24.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to reorganize the tracks in the playlist,""" start="00:05:28.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can simply kill yank the tracks""" start="00:05:31.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as you would any buffer with lines of text,""" start="00:05:33.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the same can be done between multiple playlist buffers.""" start="00:05:36.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the most straightforward ways to add media""" start="00:05:42.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to invoke a command like `M-x emms-add-directory-tree`.""" start="00:05:46.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can point it to the top of a set of directories""" start="00:05:51.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with playable files for Emms to traverse.""" start="00:05:55.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another rather convenient method is to mark files in Dired""" start="00:06:00.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to invoke `emms-add-dired`.""" start="00:06:05.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I definitely use this one a lot.""" start="00:06:09.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emms playlist mode binds""" start="00:06:11.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a number of useful keys and commands.""" start="00:06:16.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's highly recommended that you either""" start="00:06:19.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read the friendly manual""" start="00:06:23.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or hit "C-h m" in a playlist buffer to discover them.""" start="00:06:25.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we have a playlist buffer with a number of tracks,""" start="00:06:32.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the next step is going to be playback.""" start="00:06:35.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can be used as a minimalistic player""" start="00:06:40.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with nothing more than a handful of commands.""" start="00:06:44.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once there is a current Emms playlist,""" start="00:06:48.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""invoking emms-start will begin playing the current track.""" start="00:06:51.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now of course in a new playlist""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be the first track.""" start="00:07:00.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now emms-next, emms-pause, and emms-stop""" start="00:07:02.580" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do exactly what you think they do.""" start="00:07:07.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To visit the current playlist,""" start="00:07:11.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can invoke M-x emms-playlist-mode-go,""" start="00:07:13.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a long command I personally bind to "M-f12".""" start="00:07:17.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll be taken to the current playlist buffer.""" start="00:07:22.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While you can have multiple playlist buffers,""" start="00:07:25.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only one is current for the purposes of playback commands.""" start="00:07:29.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The playlist buffer has keys bound""" start="00:07:35.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to control the media being played.""" start="00:07:38.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-seek-forward` and `emms-seek-backwards` allow you""" start="00:07:39.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to scrub along the media being played.""" start="00:07:44.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which commands are available is a function of""" start="00:07:49.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the player backend being employed.""" start="00:07:51.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The simplest of players may have nothing more""" start="00:07:54.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than the ability to play, stop, and seek,""" start="00:07:56.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but others may implement a plethora of commands.""" start="00:07:59.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The modeline""" start="00:08:04.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The Modeline: Emms will by default display""" start="00:08:04.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the currently playing track in the mode line""" start="00:08:08.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with information such as playing time.""" start="00:08:11.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The mode line format is controlled""" start="00:08:15.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via the `emms-mode-line-format` variable""" start="00:08:15.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the `emms-mode-line-playlist-current` function.""" start="00:08:20.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Metadata and the cache.""" start="00:08:27.140" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It would be sufficient for emms to simply list""" start="00:08:31.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the file names or urls of each piece of media,""" start="00:08:34.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but unless you name your music and media""" start="00:08:38.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with obsessive consistency and precision,""" start="00:08:41.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not that there is anything wrong with that""" start="00:08:43.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the resulting list will be a bit of an eyesore.""" start="00:08:46.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moreover, there are a lot of other useful metadata""" start="00:08:50.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the media files, including cool stuff like album art.""" start="00:08:54.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So instead of just files, Emms will try""" start="00:08:58.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to extract metadata from each track""" start="00:09:01.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and display a nicely-formatted track listing.""" start="00:09:04.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The format can be controlled by customizing""" start="00:09:08.220" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the variable `emms-track-description-function`.""" start="00:09:10.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms uses so-called info methods to extract""" start="00:09:15.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the metadata from each file.""" start="00:09:19.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-info-native`, which I mentioned before,""" start="00:09:22.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the built-in metadata reader written in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:09:25.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It provides support for Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Opus, FLAC, and MP3.""" start="00:09:30.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, if you have media in other formats,""" start="00:09:37.660" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can also add info methods""" start="00:09:40.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the `emms-info-functions` list,""" start="00:09:42.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which call external programs such as exiftool,""" start="00:09:45.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the LibTag library, tiny-tag, etc. to read file metadata.""" start="00:09:48.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since reading metadata takes time""" start="00:09:55.420" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that metadata doesn't change very often,""" start="00:09:58.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms builds a cache as it extracts""" start="00:10:01.340" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the information from each file.""" start="00:10:04.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first time loading of thousands of tracks""" start="00:10:06.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the emms cache may take a while,""" start="00:10:09.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as is the nature of caching, subsequent loads""" start="00:10:13.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be nearly instantaneous.""" start="00:10:17.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To ease loading huge media collections,""" start="00:10:20.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emms also can populate the cache asynchronously,""" start="00:10:22.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that your emacs isn't locked up in the interim.""" start="00:10:26.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's talk about streams and URLs.""" start="00:10:30.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not all playlist entries need to be associated with files.""" start="00:10:33.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's possible to add streaming playlists""" start="00:10:37.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and URLs to any playlist.""" start="00:10:39.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms also comes with a built-in eclectic list""" start="00:10:42.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of streaming audio stations to get you started.""" start="00:10:46.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any playlist entry can be a URL,""" start="00:10:50.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that URL will be passed on to the media player backend,""" start="00:10:52.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can play it, if any.""" start="00:10:56.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Meta-playlist mode""" start="00:11:01.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Meta-playlist mode:""" start="00:11:01.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms also has meta-playlist mode""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help manage multiple playlists.""" start="00:11:08.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you invoke meta-playlist mode,""" start="00:11:11.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see a listing of all of the current Emms playlists,""" start="00:11:13.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this mode binds a handful of useful keybindings""" start="00:11:16.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help manage those playlists.""" start="00:11:22.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The browser""" start="00:11:29.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The Browser:""" start="00:11:29.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Music doesn't always lend itself to being viewed""" start="00:11:31.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a series of discrete files.""" start="00:11:35.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While there may be a good taxonomy of music""" start="00:11:38.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be reflected using directories and filenames,""" start="00:11:41.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are other aspects which cannot.""" start="00:11:45.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is especially true when you consider that""" start="00:11:49.100" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unlike many computer file taxonomies,""" start="00:11:51.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""music files may contain""" start="00:11:55.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of self-descriptive information""" start="00:11:56.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the form of metadata,""" start="00:11:58.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as the year a work was published, the composer,""" start="00:12:00.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the performing artist, etc.""" start="00:12:04.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Therefore, it makes sense for Emms to enable""" start="00:12:07.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a different view into a media collection""" start="00:12:11.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is based on the cached metadata.""" start="00:12:13.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The browser interface binds a host of keys""" start="00:12:17.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help navigate the tree structure""" start="00:12:19.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the metadata information.""" start="00:12:22.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since browser display""" start="00:12:24.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not predicated upon directory structure,""" start="00:12:25.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can invoke functions such as `emms-browse-by-album`,""" start="00:12:28.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or `emms-browse-by-artist`, etc.""" start="00:12:32.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to view the collection in different ways.""" start="00:12:35.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can do a lot more,""" start="00:12:42.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but covering it all would take too much time.""" start="00:12:43.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do recommend opening the fine Emms manual""" start="00:12:47.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and getting to know some additional features""" start="00:12:50.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as sorting tracks in playlists,""" start="00:12:52.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorting and filtering in the browser,""" start="00:12:55.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing track information,""" start="00:12:57.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deriving a new playlist from an existing playlist,""" start="00:12:59.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the music player daemon, lyrics display, volume control,""" start="00:13:01.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bookmarks, GNU FM, and Dbus/Mpris support.""" start="00:13:07.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope this was a useful introduction to Emms.""" start="00:13:13.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""How Emms works: The technical part""" start="00:13:19.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""How Emms Works: The technical part:""" start="00:13:19.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This part is an overview of how Emms works.""" start="00:13:23.220" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the end of this, you should be familiar enough""" start="00:13:26.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emms internals to hack on it. Hint hint.""" start="00:13:29.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A short history of Emms""" start="00:13:34.740" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is 20 years old as of the time of writing.""" start="00:13:37.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Old enough to drink in many countries.""" start="00:13:42.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means it was developed back in 2003""" start="00:13:45.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for emacs 21.2 or thereabouts.""" start="00:13:48.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As developers, we don't go around looking to""" start="00:13:53.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replace code just because it's old.""" start="00:13:56.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, some parts were inadequate""" start="00:13:58.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just didn't age gracefully.""" start="00:14:01.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we have been partially or completely rewriting those.""" start="00:14:04.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I became the maintainer of Emms about a decade ago,""" start="00:14:10.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I didn't start the project.""" start="00:14:13.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jorgen Schäfer started the project.""" start="00:14:16.100" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reached out to Jorgen""" start="00:14:21.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he kindly shared some of his recollections.""" start="00:14:22.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jorgen states that Emms was born back""" start="00:14:25.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the music format wars raged.""" start="00:14:28.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MP3 was the standard, but overshadowed with patent issues.""" start="00:14:31.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS""" start="00:14:38.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only stopped licensing their patents for MP3""" start="00:14:42.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as recently as April of 2017.""" start="00:14:45.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jorgen said that, and I quote,""" start="00:14:49.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""I needed a tool that was player agnostic""" start="00:14:53.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that could deal with a large collection of music files.""" start="00:14:56.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I did not want any of the GUI music players""" start="00:14:59.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that existed back then.""" start="00:15:02.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Primarily, actually, because I did not want""" start="00:15:04.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be switching windows to skip to the next song.""" start="00:15:07.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I remember correctly,""" start="00:15:11.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had just a shell script before that.""" start="00:15:12.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I figured I lived in Emacs, so why not write a tool""" start="00:15:16.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can control my music from Emacs""" start="00:15:20.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without ever having to leave Emacs?" Unquote.""" start="00:15:23.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can see that Jorgen's motivations were of the best kind,""" start="00:15:27.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to stay in Emacs.""" start="00:15:32.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms, an architecture of sensible abstractions.""" start="00:15:35.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can be divided into a number of parts.""" start="00:15:40.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The core, tracks, playlists, sources, players,""" start="00:15:44.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""info, cache, and ancillary.""" start="00:15:48.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now David J. Wheeler once said""" start="00:15:51.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that all problems in computer science""" start="00:15:53.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be solved by another level of indirection,""" start="00:15:56.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except of course for the problem""" start="00:15:59.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of too many layers of indirection.""" start="00:16:01.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms core has survived this long""" start="00:16:04.420" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it makes sensible and flexible coding abstractions.""" start="00:16:07.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep this in mind as we explore the implementation.""" start="00:16:11.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This following part of the talk will also be invaluable""" start="00:16:15.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to hack on Emacs.""" start="00:16:18.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another hint.""" start="00:16:21.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The Emms core""" start="00:16:23.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The Emms core.""" start="00:16:23.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The core defines tracks, playlists,""" start="00:16:25.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a way to start and stop playback,""" start="00:16:29.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as ways to proceed to the next track.""" start="00:16:31.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Tracks""" start="00:16:36.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Tracks:""" start="00:16:36.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms tracks consist of a list whose CAR is the symbol track,""" start="00:16:38.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and CADR is an alist starting with""" start="00:16:44.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the association of `type'.""" start="00:16:47.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Type can be something like file, streamlist, URL, etc.""" start="00:16:50.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A track of classical music from Bach's Art of Fugue""" start="00:16:56.740" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""may look something like this.""" start="00:17:00.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While a track may contain many associations,""" start="00:17:04.380" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the number of associations remains a small constant""" start="00:17:07.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the perspective of computational steps required""" start="00:17:11.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to find any particular association.""" start="00:17:14.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Playlist""" start="00:17:18.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Playlist:""" start="00:17:18.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An Emms playlist consists of an Emacs buffer""" start="00:17:20.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a buffer-local non-nil variable,""" start="00:17:23.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-playlist-buffer-p`.""" start="00:17:26.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The buffer can contain anything, any amount or type of text,""" start="00:17:29.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything else.""" start="00:17:33.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms tracks are stored in text properties within the buffer,""" start="00:17:35.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the unimaginatively named text property `emms-track`.""" start="00:17:40.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Emms, to go to the next track consists of""" start="00:17:46.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nothing more than looking for the next text property change""" start="00:17:49.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""containing `emms-track`, wherever that is.""" start="00:17:52.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that there is a healthy decoupling between""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""support for a robust client API.""" start="00:23:42.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike Kazantsev has been working since 2018""" start="00:23:46.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to develop the excellent `emms-player-mpv.el'.""" start="00:23:52.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can communicate with a long running MPV process""" start="00:23:58.350" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via Unix sockets or IP sockets.""" start="00:24:02.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This allows for MPV to do things""" start="00:24:07.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like update ICY metadata for streaming audio.""" start="00:24:11.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that, for example, when a song changes""" start="00:24:14.890" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while you're listening to a streaming audio via Emms,""" start="00:24:17.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the song title displayed in the mode line""" start="00:24:22.050" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and track listing can update as well.""" start="00:24:24.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that deep inside the code""" start="00:24:28.330" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is an Emacs `make-network-process` call.""" start="00:24:30.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The fact that Mike has put this together""" start="00:24:35.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in fewer than 1,000 lines of legible Emacs Lisp""" start="00:24:37.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a testament to some serious coding ability.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A consequence is that we end up having to try and coordinate""" start="00:25:41.750" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and harmonize the MPD playlist with the Emms playlist.""" start="00:25:45.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can foresee writing a completely new MPD mode for Emms""" start="00:25:51.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is designed to be a true pure MPD client.""" start="00:25:56.690" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unless of course someone volunteers to beat me to it.""" start="00:26:01.510" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hint hint.""" start="00:26:05.340" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""GNU FM and Libre FM""" start="00:26:07.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""GNU FM and Libre FM:""" start="00:26:07.440" 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video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where it's at.""" start="00:27:28.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How to find our forge.""" start="00:27:29.950" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms has been hosted at the FSF's forge, Savannah,""" start="00:27:32.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since around 2003.""" start="00:27:36.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is distributed via GNU ELPA and integrated into Emacs.""" start="00:27:39.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before ELPA it was distributed as a tarball""" start="00:27:46.230" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via ftp.gnu.org but that stopped back in 2020.""" start="00:27:49.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was initially resistant to ELPA but around the time""" start="00:27:55.140" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the thousandth person asked me why Emms isn't on ELPA,""" start="00:27:58.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I realized that it had to happen.""" start="00:28:03.850" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can also be found in other places""" start="00:28:07.210" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as Melpa or GitHub but we, the developers of Emms,""" start="00:28:10.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have nothing to do with that""" start="00:28:16.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we don't monitor those channels.""" start="00:28:18.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want the source straight from, well, the source,""" start="00:28:21.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then go to the Savannah Git 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A non-trivial, but one-time patch,""" start="00:30:32.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will have to be cleared from a copyright perspective.""" start="00:30:34.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means assigning copyright for the changes to the FSF.""" start="00:30:37.990" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once that's cleared, then the patch will be applied.""" start="00:30:42.420" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, if it's a non-trivial patch,""" start="00:30:46.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which looks like it would be the start""" start="00:30:49.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a long-term development work (my favorite),""" start="00:30:52.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then after copyright is cleared,""" start="00:30:56.010" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that person will be offered to be added""" start="00:30:57.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the members with Git repo access on Savannah.""" start="00:31:00.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From there, we usually use a dedicated branch""" start="00:31:05.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do all the playing around""" start="00:31:08.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before merging it with the main Git repo.""" start="00:31:09.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have ever sent a patch, feature request,""" start="00:31:13.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or bug report into Emms (small or large), we thank you.""" start="00:31:16.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Let It Go: 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+[[!template text="""and more often than not of release quality.""" start="00:31:50.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Releases are done about every three months.""" start="00:31:53.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with such a stable main branch,""" start="00:31:56.650" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the process of releasing often involves little more""" start="00:31:59.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than writing a NEWS entry.""" start="00:32:02.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a consequence, new and wonderful features""" start="00:32:05.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which aren't quite ready for prime time""" start="00:32:08.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when a release comes around,""" start="00:32:11.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will remain safely in their branch on the Git repo""" start="00:32:13.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until after the ELPA release.""" start="00:32:18.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""It Is Not In Our Stars, But In Ourselves: Future directions""" start="00:32:23.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""It Is Not In Our Stars, But In Ourselves; Future Directions:""" start="00:32:23.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One aspect of Emms that needs to improve is ease of setup.""" start="00:32:29.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now that might surprise you, since at the time of writing,""" start="00:32:34.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's already pretty easy.""" start="00:32:37.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But my ideal is that the user 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the `emms-player-list` variable,""" start="00:33:26.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but doesn't write it to disk.""" start="00:33:27.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that means that the configuration""" start="00:33:29.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't preserved between Emacs sessions.""" start="00:33:31.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question then becomes,""" start="00:33:35.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is the best way to preserve this setting?""" start="00:33:36.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I personally don't like anything""" start="00:33:40.310" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to edit my .emacs except me,""" start="00:33:42.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wouldn't 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start="00:37:07.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A maintainer needs to think carefully""" start="00:37:13.490" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about each of these decisions,""" start="00:37:15.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as they are rarely straightforward and one-sided.""" start="00:37:17.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you see above, they also change over time""" start="00:37:21.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and need to be re-evaluated.""" start="00:37:25.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the most useful things a maintainer can do""" start="00:37:30.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to coordinate the development effort""" start="00:37:33.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and help new people join the project.""" 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start="00:38:19.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is often the case that I'm just the person""" start="00:38:23.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""holding the rudder and steering the ship,""" start="00:38:25.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all of these developers""" start="00:38:28.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rowing furiously to provide the power""" start="00:38:30.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which actually moves the ship forward.""" start="00:38:33.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to all.""" start="00:38:36.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: yoni + +<a name="emms-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:06.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Doing very well,""" start="00:00:10.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you.""" start="00:00:10.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So that was a wonderful presentation.""" start="00:00:13.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I first want to commend you on your ability""" start="00:00:17.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to both do the how the user encounters the""" start="00:00:22.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MMS, how the developer might be interested""" start="00:00:24.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how it works, and I feel like you've""" start="00:00:28.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done a wonderful job of talking to absolutely""" start="00:00:30.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone in our audience,""" start="00:00:31.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever their skill level.""" start="00:00:32.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much for this.""" start="00:00:34.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, that of course runs the risk of being,""" start="00:00:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, good for some,""" start="00:00:41.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but excellent for none.""" start="00:00:42.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But hopefully the result is that people can""" start="00:00:46.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get something out of it.""" start="00:00:48.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's very important to make sure that""" start="00:00:51.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone feels that they have access to""" start="00:00:55.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, they have access to EMMS,""" start="00:00:57.239" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they can do this in whatever capacity""" start="00:01:00.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they want. It's for everyone.""" start="00:01:02.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really believe that.""" start="00:01:05.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, and I understand this risk about having""" start="00:01:09.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a talk that is kind of a jack-of-all-trades,""" start="00:01:10.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but frankly you've done a wonderful job of""" start="00:01:14.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it interesting for everyone,""" start="00:01:16.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because also I think the parts worked really""" start="00:01:19.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, and people always had something to look""" start="00:01:21.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forward in terms of their expertise of what""" start="00:01:24.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly spoke to them.""" start="00:01:25.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you again. 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I will make sure this time to""" start="00:01:40.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ping Sasha to open the Q&A.""" start="00:01:42.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you open, I-V-E-M-M-S.""" start="00:01:44.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and in the meantime,""" start="00:01:48.700" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whilst we wait for people to join us in the""" start="00:01:50.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""room, I will start reading some of the""" start="00:01:52.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions off the pad.""" start="00:01:53.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we had the first question about the music""" start="00:01:57.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we played during the launch break,""" start="00:01:58.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and It's 1 of our dear friends,""" start="00:02:01.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shoshin Ganshangroh, a free album,""" start="00:02:05.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basement Dazed. 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I don't,""" start="00:24:44.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use very simple commands and I even rarely""" start="00:24:48.740" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look at the playlists.""" start="00:24:50.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was 1 of the things because when I got""" start="00:24:53.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into MMS originally when my eyesight started""" start="00:24:56.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going so I had to rely less and less on GUI""" start="00:24:59.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interfaces. So that was,""" start="00:25:02.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so to this day that's how I use EMMS.""" start="00:25:06.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Yeah, it's interesting.""" start="00:25:08.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I remember running into a browser bug because""" start="00:25:13.260" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think just my age, like,""" start="00:25:15.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to be able to tab through and like""" start="00:25:18.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was a huge that that changed recently""" start="00:25:20.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right where you tab and it unfolds in the""" start="00:25:22.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""browser but yeah I realized that people use""" start="00:25:27.620" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emms in so many different ways just like any""" start="00:25:30.600" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""piece of emacs there's there's many ways to""" start="00:25:36.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do it but appreciate your time I'm gonna""" start="00:25:39.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually put together this Christmas tree""" start="00:25:41.880" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So. Wonderful.""" start="00:25:43.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: behind me. Yeah, just wanted to say hi,""" start="00:25:45.260" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meet you in person. But yeah.""" start="00:25:50.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, excellent. I appreciate it a lot and we""" start="00:25:54.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate""" start="00:25:55.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: some interesting questions.""" start="00:25:59.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, thank you.""" start="00:26:00.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: You are currently the only person in this""" start="00:26:03.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference.""" start="00:26:03.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'm going to have a look at the questions""" start="00:26:13.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here.""" start="00:26:14.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Let's see. So there is,""" start="00:26:29.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay. There's a question here.""" start="00:26:32.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like what you said about balancing the""" start="00:26:34.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concern for software freedom with the worry""" start="00:26:36.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this might alienate the package user.""" start="00:26:38.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wonder if you have advice for other""" start="00:26:39.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers how to communicate this sort of""" start="00:26:41.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing diplomatically? Yes,""" start="00:26:43.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you have to deny implementing a feature""" start="00:26:45.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a freedom reason. This in fact happens""" start="00:26:48.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the time. A recent example of this was a""" start="00:26:56.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""YouTube download, right,""" start="00:26:58.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the YouTube download feature.""" start="00:26:59.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the time, okay, so stepping back,""" start="00:27:04.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the request was to have a YouTube download""" start="00:27:07.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feature integrated strongly into eMMS so that""" start="00:27:11.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you put in a YouTube URL and you can download""" start="00:27:16.260" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the video and play it.""" start="00:27:17.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the question isn't really whether you can""" start="00:27:22.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chain YouTube Downloader or 1 of those things""" start="00:27:24.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your EMMS configuration.""" start="00:27:26.600" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do whatever you want.""" start="00:27:28.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the question is, does EMMS actually""" start="00:27:30.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrate with it really,""" start="00:27:33.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really strongly to the extent where it tells""" start="00:27:35.740" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you oh you don't need to download install""" start="00:27:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please go ahead and install that or whatever""" start="00:27:40.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and at the time we checked it we found out""" start="00:27:43.740" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you know the version that we were""" start="00:27:45.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at of the YouTube download or YTDLP""" start="00:27:49.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or whatever it was called,""" start="00:27:51.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually downloaded a good amount of""" start="00:27:56.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proprietary JavaScript onto your machine and""" start="00:27:59.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ran it, just as if you were going on to the""" start="00:28:02.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""YouTube page, which is not for me to tell""" start="00:28:06.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people not to do if they want to do that,""" start="00:28:09.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's absolutely for me not to cause to""" start="00:28:16.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happen on the user's machine without them.""" start="00:28:18.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 of the last thing that I want to do in the""" start="00:28:21.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""world is have a user inside Emacs press a""" start="00:28:25.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button and have proprietary software get""" start="00:28:29.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""downloaded behind their back and run on their""" start="00:28:32.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine that would be disastrous so we had to""" start="00:28:38.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say no we had to say that's I'm sorry that's""" start="00:28:41.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beyond the pale and in fact in doing so some""" start="00:28:47.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people who were using this system said,""" start="00:28:51.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually I had no idea it was doing this""" start="00:28:53.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind my back. I thought it was just magic.""" start="00:28:56.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was a YouTube video without any""" start="00:28:58.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""freedom issues. I'm going to look into it or""" start="00:29:01.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to stop using it.""" start="00:29:03.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my advice would be Stand firm and just be""" start="00:29:11.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not not preachy. Don't tell people what they""" start="00:29:15.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to do be very clear about what you stand""" start="00:29:19.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for and what the project stands for,""" start="00:29:21.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so they very clearly know where you""" start="00:29:28.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stand. And I think that people actually""" start="00:29:30.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""appreciate that more than a political answer,""" start="00:29:36.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? That has been my experience.""" start="00:29:43.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, excuse me, taking into account that 1 or""" start="00:29:49.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2 people will tell you,""" start="00:29:52.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is terrible. I'm leaving.""" start="00:29:54.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: If you do this,""" start="00:30:00.550" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: This is useless. you're free software or""" start="00:30:01.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever, and just leave.""" start="00:30:03.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But some people are ornery.""" start="00:30:05.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not necessarily something bad that you""" start="00:30:09.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did. But that has happened.""" start="00:30:11.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are multiple stories.""" start="00:30:14.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the MMS is so old,""" start="00:30:16.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are multiple points in which non-free""" start="00:30:20.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software intersected with the EMS because of""" start="00:30:23.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multimedia and we had to go the other""" start="00:30:28.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""direction and so far it has served EMS well""" start="00:30:33.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the project has died as a result.""" start="00:30:38.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, can't prove a negative,""" start="00:30:39.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know where we would be if we had taken,""" start="00:30:42.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gone down that route. I'm pretty sure we""" start="00:30:44.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would need a new ELPA,""" start="00:30:46.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think being so clearly integrated with""" start="00:30:50.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs is a huge benefit to eMMS because it's""" start="00:30:55.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it allows people to install it very easily.""" start="00:30:57.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those are all the questions that I can""" start="00:31:08.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see.""" start="00:31:09.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You""" start="00:31:15.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emms%3A%20Emacs%20MultiMedia%20System%20%28EMMS%29) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/emms-before.md b/2023/info/emms-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d45449c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emms-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 39-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="emms-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="emms-mainVideo" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +01:03.320 The structure of this talk +01:21.320 Introduction to Emms: The practical part +08:04.240 The modeline +11:01.200 Meta-playlist mode +11:29.860 The browser +13:19.920 How Emms works: The technical part +16:23.820 The Emms core +16:36.440 Tracks +17:18.460 Playlist +18:22.080 Sources +19:22.160 Players +20:20.520 Info +21:36.660 The cache +22:51.620 Healthy back and forth: mpv, mpd, and GNU.FM +23:31.560 MPV +24:47.470 MPD +26:07.440 GNU FM and Libre FM +27:12.560 How we work: Emms development +28:52.590 The Rime Of The Ancient Maintainer +29:06.080 The life and times of an Emms patch +31:24.080 Let It Go: The release process +32:23.400 It Is Not In Our Stars, But In Ourselves: Future directions +34:44.849 Development policies: Interface language +36:05.980 Development policies: Freedom +38:12.370 Acknowledgements + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 38:38 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.opus">Download --main.opus (21MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.webm">Download --main.webm (139MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin.outline">Download .outline</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/ppdF62LysvxpXgZVaeF9wk">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="emms-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/emms-nav.md b/2023/info/emms-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..31d2bfad --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/emms-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/cubing">Speedcubing in Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/steno">Programming with steno</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/eval-after.md b/2023/info/eval-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d82abf2a --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/eval-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,231 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="eval-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:04.880" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, and welcome to EmacsConf 2023!""" start="00:00:04.880" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Musa Al-hassy,""" start="00:00:10.001" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will be talking about "REPL-driven development."""" start="00:00:12.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like programming languages so much.""" start="00:00:15.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to use them all over the place.""" start="00:00:18.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got a PhD in the topic.""" start="00:00:20.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just dive in.""" start="00:00:23.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a lightning talk,""" start="00:00:25.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the details will be available in the repository.""" start="00:00:27.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Links to longer videos and GIFs""" start="00:00:31.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for those who are interested.""" start="00:00:33.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The wonders of C-x C-e""" start="00:00:35.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So the wonderful thing about Emacs""" start="00:00:35.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that you can execute Lisp anywhere.""" start="00:00:37.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I can go to this piece of Lisp,""" start="00:00:40.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""press Ctrl-x Ctrl-e (`C-x C-e`)""" start="00:00:42.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a little pop-up.""" start="00:00:45.576" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright, so here I pressed `C-x C-e`""" start="00:00:47.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is what it ran.""" start="00:00:49.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what this package gives you""" start="00:00:51.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the same ability""" start="00:00:52.776" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any language of your choosing.""" start="00:00:54.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, here is some Java,""" start="00:00:56.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I bound it to Ctrl-x, Ctrl-j (`C-x C-j`).""" start="00:00:59.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I say `C-x C-j`, and this runs some code,""" start="00:01:02.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and over here I get a little pop-up.""" start="00:01:07.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wonderful thing about""" start="00:01:13.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being able to run code from anywhere""" start="00:01:15.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that you can keep it in normal text files""" start="00:01:16.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any kind of file you like.""" start="00:01:19.029" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you can have hyperlinks,""" start="00:01:20.629" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as it were…, like this one.""" start="00:01:23.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-x C-e`, and now we can see this down here.""" start="00:01:25.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Learn about it.""" start="00:01:28.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But being able to run other languages besides Emacs""" start="00:01:30.789" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lets us do some interesting things.""" start="00:01:34.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, in the middle of a JavaScript program,""" start="00:01:36.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might write a line like this. `C-x C-n`.""" start="00:01:39.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that says down here""" start="00:01:43.429" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`javascript-eval` in the mode line,""" start="00:01:45.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so this just checks that some endpoint""" start="00:01:47.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is working as intended.""" start="00:01:49.643" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you don't need to use an external tool""" start="00:01:51.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to check endpoints.""" start="00:01:52.749" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can just use Emacs in your favorite language.""" start="00:01:53.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, you can keep your spirit up.""" start="00:01:57.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, `C-x C-a` runs `applescript-eval`.""" start="00:01:59.629" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Computer]: You can do it, buddy.""" start="00:02:03.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Musa]: Maybe you heard that in the background?""" start="00:02:06.376" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The cool thing is, your code immediately takes form.""" start="00:02:13.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right away, you see it doing things, you know,""" start="00:02:15.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""altering your environment.""" start="00:02:18.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, this is JavaScript,""" start="00:02:20.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and JavaScript here is gonna change Emacs for us.""" start="00:02:24.429" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `C-x C-n`. And you can see down here""" start="00:02:28.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`javascript-eval` was invoked.""" start="00:02:32.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It returned true, and this line of JavaScript""" start="00:02:34.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""altered our Emacs. So that's really nice.""" start="00:02:38.789" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you don't need to use just Emacs Lisp if you like.""" start="00:02:41.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use other systems.""" start="00:02:43.749" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you saw, the output is shown in overlays.""" start="00:02:46.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here's, for example, `C-x C-p` to run""" start="00:02:50.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some Python code.""" start="00:02:52.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice it blinked in red""" start="00:02:54.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I thought red was nice.""" start="00:02:55.476" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can configure as you like.""" start="00:02:56.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you hover over it,""" start="00:02:58.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see the solution there,""" start="00:02:59.409" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see it in a variety of familiar ways""" start="00:03:01.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you use `C-x C-e` regularly.""" start="00:03:04.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can insert the results.""" start="00:03:08.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find documentation about them.""" start="00:03:09.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea here is that""" start="00:03:14.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have this familiar Lisp workflow""" start="00:03:15.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with `C-x C-e`, and this package ports it over""" start="00:03:20.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to your favorite language out.""" start="00:03:24.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can eval things,""" start="00:03:27.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can insert them, and do as you like.""" start="00:03:28.343" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's really neat.""" start="00:03:30.789" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""An overview of REPL Driven Development""" start="00:03:35.809" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""This package allows you to do""" start="00:03:35.809" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""REPL driven development.""" start="00:03:37.209" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In that, you can use it to grow your program.""" start="00:03:39.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't need to restart it.""" start="00:03:42.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see changes live.""" start="00:03:43.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here's, for example, this is in a Java runtime.""" start="00:03:45.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see some balls bouncing around.""" start="00:03:50.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't really know which one is the second one,""" start="00:03:52.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's increase its size. `C-x C-j`.""" start="00:03:54.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this one increased in size,""" start="00:03:57.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see down here I pressed `C-x C-j`.""" start="00:04:00.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's change the color to blue,""" start="00:04:02.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-x C-j`, the color is blue.""" start="00:04:05.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all these changes are happening live.""" start="00:04:09.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Three balls isn't really a ball pit.""" start="00:04:12.376" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go to 50 balls. There you go.""" start="00:04:14.429" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's nice that you can do this""" start="00:04:18.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without leaving your environment,""" start="00:04:21.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without building, you can rapidly modify and see.""" start="00:04:23.209" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's nice.""" start="00:04:26.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I'm at the halfway point,""" start="00:04:29.776" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I won't be able to work through""" start="00:04:32.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of these nice problems,""" start="00:04:35.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can see the videos""" start="00:04:37.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or GIFs on the associated repo.""" start="00:04:38.676" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Likewise for this one.""" start="00:04:41.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one would have been a lot of fun,""" start="00:04:42.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but unfortunately, we're running short on time.""" start="00:04:43.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Apologies.""" start="00:04:46.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""REPL Driven Development with Java""" start="00:04:51.143" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The neat thing here is: this package tries to""" start="00:04:51.143" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bring the feeling of Lisp to other languages.""" start="00:04:56.209" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the idea of a REPL, or a Read Eval Print Loop""" start="00:05:00.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is R and P are data interchange protocols.""" start="00:05:03.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, not every language has those,""" start="00:05:06.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this package kind of encourages us to""" start="00:05:09.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implement them if we don't have them.""" start="00:05:12.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you an example.""" start="00:05:14.643" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do I mean here?""" start="00:05:16.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a Java file.""" start="00:05:20.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've loaded this definition in.""" start="00:05:22.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can press `C-x C-j`,""" start="00:05:25.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you see it's a list of person.""" start="00:05:28.543" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't give this a name, so its name is $59.""" start="00:05:30.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I hover over it, we can see the definition again.""" start="00:05:33.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a person called Hamid, age 5,""" start="00:05:40.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another person called Jaafar, age 6.""" start="00:05:44.429" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This pretty printing is nice for me as a human,""" start="00:05:46.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can't execute this. This isn't valid Java.""" start="00:05:52.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I could do `C-u C-x C-j`.""" start="00:05:56.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I have the help of a read protocol inserted.""" start="00:06:00.609" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, `C-x C-j`. There it is.""" start="00:06:05.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So look, it gives me a `new Person`""" start="00:06:09.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the construction everything.""" start="00:06:12.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I can work with.""" start="00:06:14.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Java can work with this.""" start="00:06:16.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this can be quite useful for regression testing""" start="00:06:17.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just to find out what your method spits out.""" start="00:06:21.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can do the same thing. Here's a bigger example.""" start="00:06:25.749" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Trying to see it in the overlay is a bit cramped.""" start="00:06:29.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can say `C-u C-x C-j`.""" start="00:06:32.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and now we have executable code.""" start="00:06:34.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, this is neat.""" start="00:06:38.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to do something with it.""" start="00:06:40.876" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not really interested. I have four new persons.""" start="00:06:42.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I really want to look at this,""" start="00:06:45.789" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can say `M-x java-eval-navigate-output`,""" start="00:06:49.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now I see my output as this hierarchical tree.""" start="00:06:55.649" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I go down, I can see what's inside these,""" start="00:07:00.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's the type of this thing, what's in there.""" start="00:07:03.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, so that's nice.""" start="00:07:06.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea is that we're not limited to""" start="00:07:09.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just textual output.""" start="00:07:14.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can render output,""" start="00:07:15.629" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks to the power of Emacs, in any way we want.""" start="00:07:19.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a browser, in a LaTeX file, in an Org mode (file),""" start="00:07:22.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""however we really desire.""" start="00:07:26.749" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Bring your own Read Protocol""" start="00:07:28.029" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And if our language doesn't have an easy protocol,""" start="00:07:28.029" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so what I did for Java in particular was:""" start="00:07:32.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you take a blob, and you use some""" start="00:07:36.143" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""parsing expression grammars, or if you really want""" start="00:07:38.643" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regular expression pattern matching,""" start="00:07:43.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you get some property list out,""" start="00:07:44.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you construct an executable expression""" start="00:07:46.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of that. Like this `new Person`.""" start="00:07:51.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's nice that you can do these kind of things""" start="00:07:53.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that this software encourages you to do them.""" start="00:07:56.749" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Use Case: RDD & Job Interviews""" start="00:07:59.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So one use case I actually use""" start="00:07:59.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""besides learning things is…""" start="00:08:07.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oops oops oopsies oopsies showing you metadata""" start="00:08:10.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you shouldn't be looking at.""" start="00:08:14.776" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't look at my metadata. Sorry about that.""" start="00:08:15.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One place I actually use this besides learning""" start="00:08:19.409" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and trying new libraries and APIs""" start="00:08:23.209" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that is,""" start="00:08:25.029" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, when I interviewed for jobs""" start="00:08:26.776" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""last year (I was changing jobs),""" start="00:08:29.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would share my screen,""" start="00:08:33.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if the interviewer gave me""" start="00:08:34.676" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some inputs and outputs to play with,""" start="00:08:37.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could do essentially""" start="00:08:39.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some sort of test driven development""" start="00:08:41.576" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and constantly evaluate things""" start="00:08:42.976" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right in front of the interviewer.""" start="00:08:45.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For some design questions""" start="00:08:46.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than sketching out my ideas in a Google Doc,""" start="00:08:49.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would share my screen and be like,""" start="00:08:53.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Hey, here's actual executable code,""" start="00:08:55.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can stub some things out""" start="00:08:57.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have some types,"""" start="00:08:59.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the idea is we can still check things""" start="00:09:00.576" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run them right there and then,""" start="00:09:03.476" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I thought was quite nice, and it helps to""" start="00:09:05.643" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clarify your thought process, I guess.""" start="00:09:08.143" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyhow, so that's my time,""" start="00:09:10.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you've enjoyed this little package,""" start="00:09:15.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and again, sorry for the rush,""" start="00:09:19.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a lightning talk.""" start="00:09:22.869" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Feel free to find everything on the associated repo.""" start="00:09:24.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And have a wonderful December Saturday.""" start="00:09:29.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care! Bye bye, everyone.""" start="00:09:34.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/extending-nav.md b/2023/info/extending-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5a84a12c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/extending-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/flat-after.md b/2023/info/flat-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c743ddf6 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/flat-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,262 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="flat-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""That's how I came into this.""" start="00:00:01.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, the next big thing was starting""" start="00:00:10.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2005, I went fully Linux and then for Mac OS,""" start="00:00:16.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I switched to vanilla self-compiled""" start="00:00:19.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versions of Emacs. So what do I want to show?""" start="00:00:25.279" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Couple of time ago in the development list""" start="00:00:30.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a short exchange about the nil and""" start="00:00:34.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the flood button, flood button button styles,""" start="00:00:38.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying that it was equivalent and they are""" start="00:00:42.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not. So instead of starting a Flame Wars,""" start="00:00:45.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was better to go and publicize""" start="00:00:49.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the goodies you get with Flood Button.""" start="00:00:54.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is what I'm going to be showing you""" start="00:00:57.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""practically. Why Flood Button?""" start="00:01:00.140" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2005, more or less, I came across DOOM Emacs,""" start="00:01:06.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was nice. And I,""" start="00:01:07.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially I liked the DOOM mode line,""" start="00:01:12.180" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was, I think it is,""" start="00:01:13.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is, and it was cool at that time.""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using other themes and it was not that""" start="00:01:20.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy to adapt for these other themes and even""" start="00:01:23.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""less when you are in an environment with""" start="00:01:26.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dynamic themes like mine because I tend to""" start="00:01:30.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adapt the theme to the light conditions in my""" start="00:01:36.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working place. So what I did at the end was""" start="00:01:40.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming up with a style for faces called flood""" start="00:01:44.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button for boxes, called flood button as a""" start="00:01:49.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simple way to get modern looking buttons and""" start="00:01:52.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bars. 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Okay.""" start="00:20:37.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:20:54.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No further questions. Yeah,""" start="00:21:34.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it seems we don't have any further questions.""" start="00:21:36.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just another audience member also thanking""" start="00:21:39.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you on the chat. 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What is garbage collection?""" start="00:00:51.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To understand what is garbage collection,""" start="00:00:54.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to realize that anything you do in Emacs""" start="00:00:56.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is some kind of command. Any command is most likely""" start="00:00:59.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running some Elisp code. Every time you run Elisp code,""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you most likely need to locate certain memory in RAM.""" start="00:01:05.840" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of this memory is retained for a long time""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some of this memory is transient.""" start="00:01:12.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, Emacs has to clear this transient memory""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from time to time, to not occupy all the possible RAM""" start="00:01:19.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the computer. In this small example,""" start="00:01:21.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have one global variable""" start="00:01:21.448" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is assigned a value,""" start="00:01:28.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when assigning the value,""" start="00:01:31.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we first allocate a temporary variable""" start="00:01:33.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then a temporary list""" start="00:01:35.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and only retain some part of this list""" start="00:01:37.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this global variable.""" start="00:01:40.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In terms of memory graph""" start="00:01:42.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can represent this as two variable slots,""" start="00:01:44.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one transient, one permanent,""" start="00:01:50.360" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then a list of three cons cells,""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of which is retained as a global variable""" start="00:01:56.200" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but part of it which is a temporary variable symbol.""" start="00:02:01.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first term of the list is not used""" start="00:02:05.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it might be cleared at some point.""" start="00:02:07.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Garbage collection in Emacs""" start="00:02:09.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So that's what Emacs does.""" start="00:02:09.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every now and then, Emacs goes through all the memory""" start="00:02:12.240" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and identifies which part of the memory are not used""" start="00:02:15.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then clear them so that it can free up the RAM.""" start="00:02:19.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This process is called garbage collection""" start="00:02:23.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs uses a very simple and old algorithm""" start="00:02:25.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is called Mark & Sweep.""" start="00:02:28.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So doing this mark and sweep process""" start="00:02:30.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is basically two stages.""" start="00:02:33.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, Emacs scans all the memory that is allocated""" start="00:02:34.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then identifies which memory is still in use""" start="00:02:40.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is linked to some variables, for example,""" start="00:02:42.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and which memory is not used anymore""" start="00:02:45.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it was allocated in the past.""" start="00:02:47.600" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second stage [??] whenever a memory is not,""" start="00:02:49.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is not allocated. During the process""" start="00:02:53.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs cannot do anything now.""" start="00:02:59.320" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, every time Emacs scans the memory,""" start="00:03:00.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it freezes up and doesn't respond to anything,""" start="00:03:04.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if it takes too much time so that users can notice it,""" start="00:03:07.200" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then of course Emacs is not responsive at all,""" start="00:03:10.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if this garbage collection is triggered too frequently,""" start="00:03:13.400" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it's not just not responsive every now and then.""" start="00:03:19.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also not responsive all the time,""" start="00:03:22.400" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""almost all the time,""" start="00:03:24.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it cannot even normally type or stuff""" start="00:03:26.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or do some normal commands.""" start="00:03:27.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This mark and sweep algorithm is taking longer""" start="00:03:32.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more memory Emacs uses. So basically,""" start="00:03:36.720" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more buffers you open, the more packages you load,""" start="00:03:40.200" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more complex commands you run, the more memory is used,""" start="00:03:44.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and basically, the longer Emacs takes""" start="00:03:48.320" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to perform a single garbage collection.""" start="00:03:52.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, Emacs being Emacs""" start="00:03:57.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this garbage collection can be tweaked.""" start="00:04:02.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In particular users can tweak""" start="00:04:06.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how frequently Emacs does garbage collection""" start="00:04:08.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using two basic variables: `gc-cons-threshold`""" start="00:04:10.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and `gc-cons-percentage`.""" start="00:04:13.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`gc-cons-threshold` is the raw number of kilobytes""" start="00:04:15.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs needs to allocate""" start="00:04:21.600" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before triggering another garbage collection,""" start="00:04:22.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the `gc-cons-percentage` is similar,""" start="00:04:25.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's defined in terms of fraction""" start="00:04:27.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of already-allocated memory.""" start="00:04:30.400" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you follow various Emacs forums,""" start="00:04:34.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you may be familiar with people complaining about""" start="00:04:38.240" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""garbage collection. There are many many suggestions""" start="00:04:41.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about what to do with it.""" start="00:04:46.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most frequently, you see `gc-cons-threshold`""" start="00:04:48.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recommended to be increased,""" start="00:04:54.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a number of pre-packaged Emacs distributions""" start="00:04:56.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Doom Emacs do increase it.""" start="00:05:01.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have seen suggestions which are actually horrible""" start="00:05:04.320" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to disable garbage collection temporarily""" start="00:05:07.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or for a long time.""" start="00:05:10.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is nice... You can see it quite frequently,""" start="00:05:14.360" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which indicates there might be some problem.""" start="00:05:17.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, every time one user poses about this problem,""" start="00:05:19.400" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just one data point and it doesn't mean""" start="00:05:23.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that everyone actually suffers from it.""" start="00:05:26.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't mean that everyone should do it.""" start="00:05:28.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in order to understand if this garbage collection""" start="00:05:33.720" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is really a problem which is a common problem""" start="00:05:35.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we do need some kind of statistics""" start="00:05:39.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and only using the actual statistics""" start="00:05:44.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can understand if it should be recommended for everyone""" start="00:05:46.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to tweak the defaults or like whether""" start="00:05:52.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should be recommended for certain users""" start="00:05:55.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe it should be asked Emacs devs""" start="00:05:57.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do something about the defaults.""" start="00:05:59.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I did some time ago is exactly this.""" start="00:06:01.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tried to collect the user statistics.""" start="00:06:07.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I wrote a small package on Elp""" start="00:06:09.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some users installed this package""" start="00:06:14.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then reported back these statistics""" start="00:06:18.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the garbage collection for their particular use.""" start="00:06:22.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By now we have obtained 129 user submissions""" start="00:06:24.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with over 1 million GC records in there.""" start="00:06:30.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like some of these submissions""" start="00:06:34.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used default GC settings without any customizations.""" start="00:06:38.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some used increased GC cost threshold""" start="00:06:43.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and GC cost percentage.""" start="00:06:46.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So using this data we can try to draw""" start="00:06:47.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some reliable conclusions on what should be done""" start="00:06:53.320" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and whether should anything be done about garbage collection""" start="00:06:56.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Emacs dev level or at least on user level.""" start="00:06:59.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course we need to keep in mind""" start="00:07:02.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there's some kind of bias""" start="00:07:05.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's more likely""" start="00:07:07.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that users already have problems with GC""" start="00:07:09.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or they think they have problems with GC""" start="00:07:11.720" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will report and submit the data.""" start="00:07:13.240" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But anyway having s statistics is much more useful""" start="00:07:15.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than just having anecdotal evidences""" start="00:07:20.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from one or other reddit posts.""" start="00:07:22.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just one thing I will do""" start="00:07:25.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during the rest of my presentation""" start="00:07:28.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that for all the statistics""" start="00:07:30.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will normalize user data""" start="00:07:32.840" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that every user contributes equally.""" start="00:07:35.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example if one user submits like""" start="00:07:37.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""100 hours Emacs uptime statistics""" start="00:07:40.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other users submit one hour Emacs uptime""" start="00:07:43.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I will anyway make it so that they contribute equally.""" start="00:07:46.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start from one of the most obvious things""" start="00:07:52.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can look into is""" start="00:07:56.360" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the time it takes for garbage collection""" start="00:07:57.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to single garbage collection process.""" start="00:08:00.600" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here you see frequency distribution of GC duration""" start="00:08:05.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all the 129 users we got""" start="00:08:11.840" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see that most of the garbage collections""" start="00:08:15.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are done quite quickly in less than 0.1 second""" start="00:08:22.280" 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Yeah, I see that problem,""" start="00:07:48.280" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's more like a technical problem.""" start="00:07:49.920" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there's another problem there.""" start="00:07:52.360" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I prepared a small snippet here.""" start="00:07:57.340" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you look at the GCMH mode,""" start="00:08:02.160" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has this concept of low threshold and high""" start="00:08:05.800" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threshold and most of the time it's running""" start="00:08:08.200" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""high threshold and then when Emacs is idle,""" start="00:08:14.120" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it falls back to lower threshold and then it""" start="00:08:17.320" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does the GC while Emacs is not used.""" start="00:08:19.400" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a good idea, of course.""" start="00:08:22.040" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the core idea of GCMH mode.""" start="00:08:24.380" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, the most annoying GC is when""" start="00:08:30.520" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're actively using max.""" start="00:08:31.760" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you have this huge value of GC""" start="00:08:37.120" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""counter show and look at the doc stream.""" start="00:08:38.799" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This would be sector value that makes GC""" start="00:08:41.760" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unlikely but does not cost OSP Asian.""" start="00:08:43.980" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, no wonder like if you don't do GC,""" start="00:08:46.480" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your arm usage will skyrocket.""" start="00:08:49.640" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they don't, they cannot put it too much,""" start="00:08:54.360" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is like already like,""" start="00:08:57.720" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much was it?""" start="00:08:59.220" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 gigabyte, that's the default.""" start="00:09:10.800" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the problem is when you have 1 gigabyte""" start="00:09:15.220" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to garbage collect, it causes really long GC""" start="00:09:18.680" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time. 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If you try this MX Malloc Gene,""" start="00:17:31.700" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see like a few times to hundreds of""" start="00:17:33.960" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""megabytes of read immediately.""" start="00:17:35.200" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Have a look when I have the time.""" start="00:17:38.560" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I""" start="00:17:41.480" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: guess if nobody has any questions,""" start="00:17:43.260" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess on the pad, there was Nothing else.""" start="00:17:45.660" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess we can just close it.""" start="00:17:47.900" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the discussion.""" start="00:17:49.140" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for answering the questions.""" start="00:17:50.640" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thank you for the great conference.""" start="00:17:56.020" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, for your volunteer work.""" start="00:17:59.340" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, for quietly panicking in the""" start="00:18:02.230" video="qanda-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background, right? 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start="2023-12-03T20:00:00Z" end="2023-12-03T20:00:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~3:00 PM - 3:00 PM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~2:00 PM - 2:00 PM CST (US/Central)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~1:00 PM - 1:00 PM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~12:00 PM - 12:00 PM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~8:00 PM - 8:00 PM UTC <br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~9:00 PM - 9:00 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~10:00 PM - 10:00 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~1:30 AM - 1:30 AM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~4:00 AM - 4:00 AM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~5:00 AM - 5:00 AM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><a href="/2023/watch/gen/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></div> + + + + + +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/hn-nav.md b/2023/info/hn-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..72fa004e --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/hn-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by time: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> +Next by time: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md b/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..051a5dad --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1351 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="hyperamp-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 5 seconds. Oh, actually,""" start="00:00:01.719" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sorry, I keep delaying.""" start="00:00:07.279" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I keep forgetting that we have an""" start="00:00:08.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""introduction now. The introduction is flying.""" start="00:00:09.559" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: a little more. You're going to give a""" start="00:00:02.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, it's about 5 seconds now.""" start="00:00:22.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 30-second, right? Just say go when you want""" start="00:00:19.675" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure. You'll hear me anyway.""" start="00:00:29.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: me to go. Okay.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, I think we are live now.""" start="00:00:33.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:35.220" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I promised you we would be back in about 30""" start="00:00:36.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seconds. I lied, it was actually 1 minute,""" start="00:00:37.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are here with Bob.""" start="00:00:40.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bob, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:41.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Hi, doing great. Glad to""" start="00:00:43.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: be with you. Yeah, glad to be here,""" start="00:00:46.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so are we. We're glad to have you again""" start="00:00:50.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this year. So what we're going to do,""" start="00:00:52.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're not going to waste any time right now""" start="00:00:54.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with chit-chats. What we're going to do,""" start="00:00:56.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to move straight into your""" start="00:00:57.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation, Bob, so that you have as much""" start="00:00:59.059" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time as you can. I'm going to recede into the""" start="00:01:01.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background. I am going to full screen your""" start="00:01:04.239" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation on a stream.""" start="00:01:07.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Bob, the floor is all yours.""" start="00:01:09.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you very much, Leo.""" start="00:01:12.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Glad to be here. I hope everybody has an idea""" start="00:01:15.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what Hyperbole is, but it's a broad""" start="00:01:18.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information management system inside Emacs""" start="00:01:22.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works in all major modes.""" start="00:01:26.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a global minor mode that you can turn on""" start="00:01:28.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and off very rapidly so that you can just get""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in and out of hyperbole.""" start="00:01:34.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it works mostly from a mini buffer menu""" start="00:01:36.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that if we just hit ctrl H H we see at the""" start="00:01:41.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bottom of the screen here and as you see in""" start="00:01:44.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of this text right here,""" start="00:01:47.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dee will show you a demo with all these video""" start="00:01:51.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""links of Hyperbole now.""" start="00:01:55.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let's just get into the top 10 reasons to""" start="00:01:57.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use Hyperbole. Number 10 is a key series""" start="00:02:01.780" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""curly braces. So you just put curly braces""" start="00:02:10.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around any set of key sequences that you want""" start="00:02:12.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and hyperbole magically turns that into what""" start="00:02:19.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we call an implicit button a hyper button and""" start="00:02:22.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any kind of text that you have so if we go""" start="00:02:25.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down here and we just click click here we see""" start="00:02:28.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it that was a complex button that said let's""" start="00:02:35.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start a shell, let's set an environment""" start="00:02:40.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""variable as you see the command right up""" start="00:02:43.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there, and then let's do a grep over the""" start="00:02:45.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole code and find all instances of a""" start="00:02:47.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particular label. So if we hit made a return,""" start="00:02:50.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's called the action key.""" start="00:02:55.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what you use throughout hyperbole when""" start="00:02:57.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just want to activate any kind of button.""" start="00:02:59.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see it jumped to the grep output and""" start="00:03:02.020" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is in a shell buffer it's not in a""" start="00:03:06.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilation buffer so anywhere that you have""" start="00:03:08.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this sort of thing it's also an implicit""" start="00:03:11.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button and any sort of grep output or""" start="00:03:13.780" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compiler output you can just jump to with the""" start="00:03:17.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same key, made a return.""" start="00:03:22.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's key series, the first part.""" start="00:03:23.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then just to note that you can also just""" start="00:03:29.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do a, well I'll just do it here and show you""" start="00:03:33.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can do a recursive grep with this""" start="00:03:39.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole command, HYPBR grep.""" start="00:03:43.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're in an Emacs list buffer,""" start="00:03:46.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will only grep across the Emacs list.""" start="00:03:50.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a very handy way to just go through your""" start="00:03:54.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code very rapidly and then jump to various""" start="00:03:58.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""points in it. So we have a lot to cover""" start="00:04:01.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""today, so I'm going to go through this""" start="00:04:04.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rapidly. This isn't a tutorial,""" start="00:04:05.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just to get you interested in some of""" start="00:04:07.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the features, and then there's a ton of""" start="00:04:10.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reference material and videos now available""" start="00:04:13.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Hyperlink. So let's go to number 9.""" start="00:04:15.980" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Path names become implicit buttons.""" start="00:04:20.019" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't even have to quote them.""" start="00:04:22.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can add environment variables or elist""" start="00:04:24.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""variables with the syntax right here.""" start="00:04:26.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have a shell script that's""" start="00:04:29.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somewhere on our path.""" start="00:04:32.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And notice path is an environment variable""" start="00:04:33.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with many different paths within it,""" start="00:04:36.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? But Hyperbole knows that and it""" start="00:04:39.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""searches the path, gets the first match,""" start="00:04:42.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""finds it, and finds the actual shell script.""" start="00:04:45.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just embed that anywhere.""" start="00:04:48.660" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we have a list variable,""" start="00:04:50.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbdur, which is the home directory for""" start="00:04:52.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole, and then a markdown file,""" start="00:04:54.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a link to a direct section in the file,""" start="00:04:58.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the 5 colon 5 means go to line 5 within""" start="00:05:01.780" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that section and column 5.""" start="00:05:05.220" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just try it. Boom,""" start="00:05:07.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're right there, and we're on another link""" start="00:05:09.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we could activate as well.""" start="00:05:11.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So notice the next line is the same link but""" start="00:05:13.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is how you normally have to do it in a""" start="00:05:17.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""markdown file. You have to change the section""" start="00:05:20.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""header to have dashes but with hyperbole you""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't have to. You can just put it exactly""" start="00:05:25.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you see it in your file.""" start="00:05:28.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here the pound syntax for sections is really""" start="00:05:30.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a generic syntax in the hyperbole.""" start="00:05:34.660" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so it works in all different kinds of""" start="00:05:37.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files, your programming files.""" start="00:05:39.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a shell script and we said let's just""" start="00:05:42.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go to the first comment that has alias in it.""" start="00:05:45.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice we didn't have to say the whole line,""" start="00:05:49.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just the first part of it.""" start="00:05:51.700" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it matched to it. Here we have a link to""" start="00:05:53.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our hyperbole structured outliner called the""" start="00:05:58.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""K Outliner. And you can see it auto-numbers""" start="00:06:01.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all these cells. But in addition to just""" start="00:06:05.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""displaying, you can also add a pipe symbol""" start="00:06:08.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""near the end and use this view syntax to clip""" start="00:06:10.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to 2 lines and show blank lines.""" start="00:06:14.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's see if each node gets clipped to 2""" start="00:06:17.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lines. So you see they're all just 2 now with""" start="00:06:19.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ellipses and then we can expand them.""" start="00:06:22.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a lot of power there just with path names.""" start="00:06:25.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's continue to number 8.""" start="00:06:29.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Can I just interrupt you just a bit?""" start="00:06:31.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yes.""" start="00:06:33.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I think your phone, so we have your phone set""" start="00:06:34.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""up in case your internet misbehaves and we've""" start="00:06:37.720" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set this up before we started,""" start="00:06:40.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think the vibration is a little loud""" start="00:06:42.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever it does. Can you maybe move it a""" start="00:06:44.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little bit? I think so.""" start="00:06:46.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will have to vibrate again.""" start="00:06:50.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Is that okay? No, my phone...""" start="00:06:47.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. It shouldn't have been vibrating.""" start="00:06:54.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: have been another device,""" start="00:06:59.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but definitely we had vibration.""" start="00:07:01.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, carry on. Sorry for the interruption.""" start="00:07:02.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: It could be me. It might So number 8,""" start="00:06:57.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""special prefixes. There are 3 prefixes you""" start="00:07:07.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can attach to path names.""" start="00:07:10.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first, if you want to load,""" start="00:07:11.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of just finding a file,""" start="00:07:13.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an ELIST file, you can actually load it.""" start="00:07:16.620" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I can just hit made a return on this,""" start="00:07:19.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you see in the mini buffer,""" start="00:07:22.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it loaded it as compiled e-list.""" start="00:07:25.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could put a .el on here,""" start="00:07:27.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a .elc, .gz, all of that'll work,""" start="00:07:29.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just put a dash in front to load it.""" start="00:07:33.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to run a shell command,""" start="00:07:36.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just put an exclamation mark in front of""" start="00:07:38.720" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something and again you can have the""" start="00:07:41.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""environment variable. So here we're saying""" start="00:07:42.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run the program date and you see,""" start="00:07:44.620" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's see, let's do it again.""" start="00:07:48.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go. It ran date and you see the""" start="00:07:50.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""output right there. 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Right,""" start="00:34:06.980" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so what are we going to do?""" start="00:34:11.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Sorry, I'm just a little bit pressed by""" start="00:34:14.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time because it's not me controlling when we""" start="00:34:16.679" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""move on to the next talk,""" start="00:34:18.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as was evidenced yesterday when we got yonked""" start="00:34:19.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the next talk. So Bob,""" start="00:34:21.719" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to take all the time you want to""" start="00:34:24.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer questions. 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And for us,""" start="00:34:31.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a live stream, we'll be moving on to the""" start="00:34:33.679" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk in about 30 seconds.""" start="00:34:35.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Bob, all that's left is for me to thank""" start="00:34:37.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you for your presentation again this year and""" start="00:34:39.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you, Leo.""" start="00:34:43.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for all your answers. All right.""" start="00:34:41.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye, Bob. And we'll be moving on to the""" start="00:34:45.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk in about 10 seconds.""" start="00:34:47.699" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you in a bit. All right,""" start="00:34:49.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bob, we are off air I think now.""" start="00:34:53.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much. I need to get moving for""" start="00:34:56.139" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, is somebody gonna keep writing answers""" start="00:34:59.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in here or I need to type them in?""" start="00:35:02.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: the next talk. 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And so inside,""" start="00:37:44.660" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I did a, it was like our mail in a way,""" start="00:37:48.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but inside your our mail summaries,""" start="00:37:51.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, you could have explicit buttons""" start="00:37:54.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""embedded and that were drawn from the subject""" start="00:37:57.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your email message,""" start="00:38:01.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they'd work just like the regular button.""" start="00:38:02.400" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it was very flexible,""" start="00:38:06.300" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it had rule-based processing and things.""" start="00:38:07.700" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Hyperbole came out of that,""" start="00:38:11.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's come a long way,""" start="00:38:13.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's still a very useful core hypertext""" start="00:38:15.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system, hypermedia system,""" start="00:38:20.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should say. Are you familiar with the""" start="00:38:22.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Embark package? I am a bit.""" start="00:38:26.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've just started using it.""" start="00:38:28.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's some overlapping""" start="00:38:30.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality with hyperbole.""" start="00:38:32.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, we've found that people over time have""" start="00:38:34.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enjoyed hyperbole and have started""" start="00:38:39.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replicating some of its features,""" start="00:38:41.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, small amounts of the features.""" start="00:38:43.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I talked to, I hope I don't miss his name,""" start="00:38:47.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but O'Adam who writes that once in a while we""" start="00:38:51.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dialogue and I think Embark is great,""" start="00:38:56.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, I'll give him some pointers too and""" start="00:38:59.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""he thinks that Embark and hyperbole are quite""" start="00:39:04.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compatible too, just like organ hyperbole.""" start="00:39:08.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how we like to keep it.""" start="00:39:11.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people prefer just a small package of""" start="00:39:14.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mBARC, and it does different things than what""" start="00:39:18.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole does. 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Bye.""" start="00:39:53.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Should I leave BBB? Oh Alpha Papa's here.""" start="00:40:00.620" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hey. Good to see you. Alright,""" start="00:40:07.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well... Well, I'll stay for another minute,""" start="00:40:16.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think I'm going to go off video 2 and""" start="00:40:22.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start listening to another talk.""" start="00:40:27.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks, everyone. Thanks everyone.""" start="00:40:30.660" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I can hear you. Yes,""" start="00:40:56.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Have you been answering questions?""" start="00:40:58.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I can hear you. finished answering the""" start="00:40:56.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. We're all done.""" start="00:41:03.700" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I Okay, cool. Well, what I'm going to do,""" start="00:41:00.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to close the room unless you want""" start="00:41:07.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go a little longer,""" start="00:41:09.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this talk that we're playing right""" start="00:41:10.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now is finishing really quick and we don't""" start="00:41:11.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have a Q&A afterwards.""" start="00:41:13.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, do you want to stay on air or something?""" start="00:41:15.300" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, if you let people know to come back,""" start="00:41:19.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because someone went to go hear that""" start="00:41:21.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation, I can stay.""" start="00:41:23.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure, I'll make an announcement then.""" start="00:41:25.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can stay, we'll just put on BBB.""" start="00:41:27.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can stay muted until people join,""" start="00:41:29.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this way it opens up menus for people to""" start="00:41:31.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""join and if no 1 shows up in 5 minutes we'll""" start="00:41:33.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all go on break. Does that sound okay?""" start="00:41:36.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Great, thank you.""" start="00:41:38.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool, I'll go back to the management in the""" start="00:41:40.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background and I'll let you know.""" start="00:41:44.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, Bob, I've won the stream.""" start="00:43:25.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are joining it now.""" start="00:43:27.660" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got about 5 seconds.""" start="00:43:28.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think we are back.""" start="00:43:41.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we are gone, Bob, please.""" start="00:43:49.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Hi. 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Let's see if you had more""" start="00:44:10.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question on your pad that we could be taking""" start="00:44:15.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the meantime, just give me a second to""" start="00:44:17.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find""" start="00:44:19.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: your pad. Here we go, an error occurred.""" start="00:44:19.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, it's loading up.""" start="00:44:31.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. Wow. Feels like there's an AI writing""" start="00:44:25.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this stuff on the pad.""" start="00:44:37.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Has it? Is this the last pad?""" start="00:44:41.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh no, this is a different 1,""" start="00:44:45.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Which question are you looking at now?""" start="00:44:49.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: sorry. It was a different pad,""" start="00:44:47.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh right.""" start="00:44:55.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: that was the problem. Okay,""" start="00:44:53.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here we go. Okay, I'm back.""" start="00:44:57.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, it looks like...""" start="00:45:00.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is anybody back? Send,""" start="00:45:02.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're here, send a chat message.""" start="00:45:04.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because it's been something.""" start="00:45:08.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have, apparently, whenever we leave those""" start="00:45:10.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BBB chat room open, the moment we go off air,""" start="00:45:14.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people start joining and asking a lot of very""" start="00:45:18.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting questions and you know that's all""" start="00:45:20.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and good, we'll be able to put them on""" start="00:45:22.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the page later on. 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I mean there's a fair""" start="01:00:13.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""number of files but it's just like 1 major""" start="01:00:16.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory and then the KOutliner directory.""" start="01:00:19.680" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when you look at these things,""" start="01:00:24.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you install web applications,""" start="01:00:25.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything else, just when you download the""" start="01:00:27.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""source code, it's much,""" start="01:00:30.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much smaller than any of that.""" start="01:00:31.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't know why people you know accept""" start="01:00:34.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it's larger than your typical package.""" start="01:00:37.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why there's really an issue there.""" start="01:00:39.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I think it's because people tend to assume""" start="01:00:43.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a paradigm like the 1 you're describing,""" start="01:00:46.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which seems to be changing the way you use""" start="01:00:48.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs in a way because you're no longer""" start="01:00:51.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thinking of as buffers as separate entities,""" start="01:00:53.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can tunnel between them.""" start="01:00:56.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, it feels like a huge paradigm shift""" start="01:00:57.980" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you assume that the code behind it is""" start="01:01:00.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be humongous as well,""" start="01:01:02.300" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's usually not the case.""" start="01:01:04.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that the idea is very pure at the""" start="01:01:05.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start, and the paradigm shift that it allows""" start="01:01:07.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also magnificent. But at the end of the""" start="01:01:10.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""day, the code is fairly simple,""" start="01:01:14.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it does 1 thing and it does it well.""" start="01:01:16.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 1 thing I noticed too,""" start="01:01:19.780" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean I'm a big believer in turnkey kind of""" start="01:01:21.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""systems. 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They use sort of like a cookbook,""" start="01:01:55.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a wiki online to answer a lot of the""" start="01:01:58.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions that people have and everybody has""" start="01:02:02.220" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to figure out their configurations you know""" start="01:02:04.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make these things all work together.""" start="01:02:07.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'd like to do that engineering and say here""" start="01:02:12.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is you know it's like if you want to""" start="01:02:16.460" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""configure it and make it your own,""" start="01:02:18.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do it. But there is a default""" start="01:02:20.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""configuration that handles all the typical""" start="01:02:23.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use cases and you can just load it up and run""" start="01:02:26.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's made to use,""" start="01:02:30.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't have to hack it to make it useful""" start="01:02:32.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you.""" start="01:02:36.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, it reminds me of the discussion we had""" start="01:02:37.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Stéphane yesterday about sane defaults.""" start="01:02:40.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think the question was,""" start="01:02:43.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs should probably ship with sane defaults""" start="01:02:46.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for people. And Stéphane's answer was,""" start="01:02:49.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, my sane defaults might not be the same""" start="01:02:51.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing as your sane defaults.""" start="01:02:53.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's why I think it's important,""" start="01:02:55.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really, to have a core set of features,""" start="01:02:57.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be it with hyperbole of org mode,""" start="01:02:59.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is well-documented,""" start="01:03:01.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you mentioned. But what I like about this""" start="01:03:02.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way, and I think hyperbole is perhaps""" start="01:03:05.460" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking more benefits of this than Org Mode,""" start="01:03:07.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that the self-documentation aspect of it""" start="01:03:09.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feels like it's easier with hyperbole because""" start="01:03:12.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're not bound by Org Mode buffers.""" start="01:03:14.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can link to just about everything.""" start="01:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for me, this ability to self-document is,""" start="01:03:19.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, first, very true to the philosophy of""" start="01:03:24.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs in the first place,""" start="01:03:26.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also opens up those resonance cycles""" start="01:03:27.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where, oh, you get interested and then you""" start="01:03:32.020" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start reading up and then the documentation""" start="01:03:34.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is so good that it feeds into your practice""" start="01:03:35.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it goes nuclear and you gain so much""" start="01:03:38.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knowledge as a result of this.""" start="01:03:41.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, Bob, we are about out of time.""" start="01:03:42.620" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We only have about 1 minute until we go to""" start="01:03:44.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next talk. Do you have any passing words?""" start="01:03:46.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I do. I think, you know,""" start="01:03:50.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the world's complex, it's getting more""" start="01:03:54.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""complex. I think that's why people use Emacs""" start="01:03:57.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the first place, because it's a big""" start="01:04:00.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system. You wouldn't use it unless you wanted""" start="01:04:02.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it to simplify your life.""" start="01:04:04.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole is built with the same idea in""" start="01:04:07.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mind. You may not get it just like Lisp.""" start="01:04:10.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of people don't understand when they""" start="01:04:13.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first encounter it, but when they do""" start="01:04:15.720" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understand it, they're blown away.""" start="01:04:17.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It changes their life.""" start="01:04:19.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, when you really understand implicit""" start="01:04:22.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""buttons, I think that's 1 of the things in""" start="01:04:25.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole that can change your Emacs working""" start="01:04:28.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""life. So just give that a try and I think""" start="01:04:30.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll be pleasantly surprised across time.""" start="01:04:34.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: you so much Bob. We'll be moving on to the""" start="01:04:39.220" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk in about 20 seconds so everyone see""" start="01:04:40.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you in a bit and Bob thank you so much again.""" start="01:04:42.980" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thanks very much. And thank Thank you.""" start="01:04:37.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right I think we are off here now.""" start="01:04:51.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much, Bob.""" start="01:04:53.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to need to step out and get ready""" start="01:04:53.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, do your thing. You do a great job at""" start="01:04:56.609" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. But I wanted to ask you where in London""" start="01:04:59.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for the next talk. I'm not in London,""" start="01:04:55.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm in France, and I just moved to London.""" start="01:05:05.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: you are. Oh, okay, got it.""" start="01:05:01.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I thought you were.""" start="01:05:11.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care.""" start="01:05:13.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, bye-bye, Bob.""" start="01:05:14.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks a lot. Bye-bye.""" start="01:05:15.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye-bye.""" start="01:05:15.750" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md b/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f56bde9c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/core">Emacs core development: how it works</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/koutline">Using Koutline for stream of thought journaling</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8c26acc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1338 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="hyperdrive-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + +[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Joseph Turner.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk is about hyperdrive.el,""" start="00:00:02.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""peer-to-peer file system in Emacs.""" start="00:00:05.107" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrive is a JavaScript library""" start="00:00:09.100" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developed by the Holepunch team""" start="00:00:11.480" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for sharing files on a peer-to-peer network.""" start="00:00:13.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's released under the Apache 2.0 license.""" start="00:00:16.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Hyperdrives introduction""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Here's how it works.""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To participate as a peer, you run a node,""" start="00:00:21.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lightweight local server that allows you""" start="00:00:24.581" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to connect with other nodes on the network.""" start="00:00:27.281" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can create a hyperdrive or multiple hyperdrives,""" start="00:00:29.960" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can author files within them.""" start="00:00:33.123" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each hyperdrive is automatically assigned""" start="00:00:36.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a globally unique link""" start="00:00:38.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that starts with `hyper://`.""" start="00:00:40.906" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you share that link with someone,""" start="00:00:44.580" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they have access to your hyperdrive.""" start="00:00:47.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyone who has that link can load the hyperdrive""" start="00:00:49.160" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the network and view its content.""" start="00:00:52.820" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you load a Hyperdrive file from the network,""" start="00:00:56.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your node caches that data locally""" start="00:00:59.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and automatically begins seeding it""" start="00:01:02.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back to the network,""" start="00:01:04.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it available for others to download from you.""" start="00:01:05.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are single writer.""" start="00:01:12.620" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you create a new drive,""" start="00:01:14.520" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are the only one who can make changes to it.""" start="00:01:16.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Others can view it""" start="00:01:19.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can seed it back to the network,""" start="00:01:21.267" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you're the only one who can modify it.""" start="00:01:23.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are offline first.""" start="00:01:27.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you load data from the network,""" start="00:01:29.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's stored locally on your machine""" start="00:01:33.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you to view later,""" start="00:01:34.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even when you're disconnected from other peers.""" start="00:01:36.180" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also create new drives""" start="00:01:38.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and modify your drives when you're offline,""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then share those changes""" start="00:01:43.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once you connect with peers later.""" start="00:01:45.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are local first.""" start="00:01:47.920" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you are connected with""" start="00:01:50.300" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other peers on a local area network,""" start="00:01:52.400" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if none of the peers involved""" start="00:01:54.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are connected to the broader Internet,""" start="00:01:56.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can still share files.""" start="00:01:58.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are sparsely replicated.""" start="00:02:02.060" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that you can download individual files""" start="00:02:04.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a hyperdrive without having to download""" start="00:02:07.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the whole thing.""" start="00:02:10.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This saves on disk space and also allows you""" start="00:02:11.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to quickly load just the files""" start="00:02:15.471" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're interested in.""" start="00:02:17.233" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are mutable.""" start="00:02:20.540" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can add files, change files,""" start="00:02:22.467" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""remove files from a hyperdrive.""" start="00:02:25.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when peers load your drive""" start="00:02:28.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the very same link,""" start="00:02:30.667" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they will be able to load""" start="00:02:32.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the latest changes that you've published.""" start="00:02:34.025" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are versioned.""" start="00:02:37.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you make changes to a file,""" start="00:02:39.460" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the previous versions of those files are not lost.""" start="00:02:42.429" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Peers can load the old versions of a file""" start="00:02:46.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was changed or deleted, for example,""" start="00:02:49.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simply by specifying the version number""" start="00:02:52.440" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the hyperdrive when the file still existed""" start="00:02:55.067" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or existed in a previous state.""" start="00:02:58.167" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""About USHIN and the contributors""" start="00:03:04.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I'm presenting this talk on behalf of USHIN.""" start="00:03:04.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""USHIN is a tiny nonprofit whose mission is to""" start="00:03:07.380" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""promote personal, community and global health""" start="00:03:10.680" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through free and open universal shared information""" start="00:03:14.032" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for everybody.""" start="00:03:17.367" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""USHIN was founded in the early 90s""" start="00:03:19.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by Paula Maas, Steve Nash and others""" start="00:03:21.551" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the goal of creating""" start="00:03:24.860" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a distributed health information network""" start="00:03:26.400" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would allow people to find, share, compare""" start="00:03:29.131" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and deliberate health information""" start="00:03:33.429" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a variety of sources.""" start="00:03:35.667" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since then, the scope of the project has broadened""" start="00:03:37.780" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to include all kinds of information.""" start="00:03:40.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in recent years, we've been focusing on""" start="00:03:43.260" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""building with peer-to-peer software.""" start="00:03:45.780" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""About three years ago,""" start="00:03:49.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we started working with Mauve Signweaver,""" start="00:03:50.534" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who has since then been our steadfast""" start="00:03:52.634" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""peer-to-peer explorer and guide.""" start="00:03:54.767" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year, we started working on""" start="00:03:58.260" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this hyperdrive.el Emacs package,""" start="00:04:00.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Adam has been the powerhouse""" start="00:04:02.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the Emacs Lisp development.""" start="00:04:05.060" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""About a month ago,""" start="00:04:08.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jonas Bernoulli started joining with us,""" start="00:04:08.967" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he has been offering his expertise""" start="00:04:11.100" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the realm of user interface design""" start="00:04:14.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using his Transient library.""" start="00:04:15.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Protesilaos Stavrou has been not only valuable""" start="00:04:18.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of user design and feedback,""" start="00:04:22.140" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but he created a wonderful""" start="00:04:25.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basic introduction to Hyperdrive. Take a look.""" start="00:04:27.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Basic introduction to Hyperdrive""" start="00:04:32.646" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Prot]: Hello everyone!""" start="00:04:32.646" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Protesilaos, also known as Prot.""" start="00:04:33.586" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this video, I want to show you""" start="00:04:36.366" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the basics of hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:04:37.806" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a package for Emacs that lets us connect to""" start="00:04:40.746" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Hyperdrive peer-to-peer network.""" start="00:04:44.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can browse existing drives on the network,""" start="00:04:47.833" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaning existing file systems,""" start="00:04:51.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or create and maintain our own hyperdrive,""" start="00:04:53.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to which we can add, remove or edit files.""" start="00:04:59.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will see this together.""" start="00:05:03.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I have here in front of me is a basic""" start="00:05:05.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use-package declaration for hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:05:08.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All I am doing is binding `hyperdrive-menu`""" start="00:05:12.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a key and also activating""" start="00:05:16.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the menu bar entry of hyperdrive.""" start="00:05:19.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you very quickly, `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:05:23.613" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the sort of interface that it brings up.""" start="00:05:26.813" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will take a closer look at it.""" start="00:05:31.293" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As for the menu bar,""" start="00:05:33.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have `hyperdrive-menu` over here,""" start="00:05:35.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we will take a look at this as well.""" start="00:05:41.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Suffice to say that""" start="00:05:44.193" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get the same functionality""" start="00:05:45.693" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the menu bar or with `hyperdrive-menu`,""" start="00:05:48.273" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as by calling the commands directly""" start="00:05:51.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with `M-x` or their respective key bindings.""" start="00:05:55.893" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I won't cover everything in that regard,""" start="00:06:00.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but please bear this fact in mind.""" start="00:06:02.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Managing files with Hyperdrive.el""" start="00:06:06.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's start then with what I have here""" start="00:06:06.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this other tab, which is a set of files.""" start="00:06:09.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have prepared in my local file system - 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And I am here.""" start="00:07:56.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is an empty drive apart from""" start="00:08:00.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my credentials over here.""" start="00:08:04.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is nothing more really to see.""" start="00:08:06.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I want to do is""" start="00:08:10.113" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start adding files to this drive.""" start="00:08:12.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me use the menu bar for this.""" start="00:08:15.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will hover over to the menu bar,""" start="00:08:18.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will find the "Hyperdrive" submenu.""" start="00:08:21.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will go find where the drives are.""" start="00:08:24.773" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see that there are writable drives,""" start="00:08:27.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaning drives that I manage,""" start="00:08:30.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and read-only drives, meaning drives of other users.""" start="00:08:32.813" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, USHIN is read-only, of course,""" start="00:08:37.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Protesilaos is writable.""" start="00:08:40.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I want to do is upload a file to Protesilaos.""" start="00:08:42.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it prompts me in the Minibuffer for a file.""" start="00:08:48.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will just add the README.""" start="00:08:52.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is asking me, "Where do you want to add it?"""" start="00:08:55.293" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in square brackets, the default is to add it""" start="00:08:58.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the root directory of the hyperdrive.""" start="00:09:00.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will just type `RET` to select the default.""" start="00:09:03.813" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there it is. It is already in the drive.""" start="00:09:07.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me add the COPYING file as well,""" start="00:09:11.393" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the same method.""" start="00:09:14.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will go find my drive. "Upload File."""" start="00:09:16.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's add the COPYING.""" start="00:09:21.393" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also want to add it to the root directory.""" start="00:09:23.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So already I have two files.""" start="00:09:29.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is looking good.""" start="00:09:30.633" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I am opening the file inside of hyperdrive.""" start="00:09:31.953" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not the same file""" start="00:09:37.014" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I have in my local directory.""" start="00:09:39.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I can do here, for example, is I can...""" start="00:09:42.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me open another file here, the COPYING.""" start="00:09:47.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can create an Org link.""" start="00:09:49.893" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice that these are Org files.""" start="00:09:52.113" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will use the standard `org-store-link` command.""" start="00:09:54.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the key binding I invoked""" start="00:09:58.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the command it calls""" start="00:10:01.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the top right corner of my screen.""" start="00:10:03.533" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I did is""" start="00:10:05.893" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I copied a link to this hyperdrive file.""" start="00:10:07.413" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in this other file over here,""" start="00:10:11.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to say "Free/libre."""" start="00:10:15.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I am editing my hyperdrive terms:""" start="00:10:22.153" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Check the," and I will paste the link here,""" start="00:10:27.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""for how to use my files."""" start="00:10:35.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we check what is here,""" start="00:10:40.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see that this is a 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video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will save this.""" start="00:11:11.953" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now what I want to do is,""" start="00:11:13.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to invoke `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:11:16.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you will see now the menu, unlike earlier,""" start="00:11:20.493" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has more commands, more stuff we can do with it.""" start="00:11:23.153" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I can type `w` to copy a URL.""" start="00:11:27.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And by typing `w`, you will notice...""" start="00:11:31.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to the `*scratch*` buffer to paste this in.""" start="00:11:34.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will notice what the URL is.""" start="00:11:37.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is my hyperdrive, my unique identifier,""" start="00:11:40.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then forward slash, meaning the root directory,""" start="00:11:44.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then README.org.""" start="00:11:47.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is the file I was editing.""" start="00:11:49.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's do `hyperdrive-menu` again.""" start="00:11:54.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's remove the `*scratch*` buffer.""" start="00:11:56.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's do `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:11:58.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you will notice that there are options""" start="00:11:59.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to download the file, for example.""" start="00:12:02.380" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you are reading somebody else's file,""" start="00:12:05.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can download it to your own file system.""" start="00:12:07.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me do that. "Download."""" start="00:12:10.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is asking me, "Where do you want to save this?"""" start="00:12:12.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For now, I will save it in the `/tmp/`, like this.""" start="00:12:14.753" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's call it test.org.""" start="00:12:20.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, `/tmp/test.org`.""" start="00:12:23.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go and visit `test.org`.""" start="00:12:25.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there it is.""" start="00:12:29.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It downloaded it just like that.""" start="00:12:30.280" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how you can, for 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+[[!template new="1" text="""Dired like interface""" start="00:12:56.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let me do it a bit differently.""" start="00:12:56.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The same idea, a bit differently.""" start="00:12:58.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For those of you who are familiar with""" start="00:13:00.193" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dired and the `dired-jump` command,""" start="00:13:02.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dired is the standard file manager of Emacs.""" start="00:13:05.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And `dired-jump` is a command that lets you jump""" start="00:13:08.753" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the current file""" start="00:13:13.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the directory that contains that file.""" start="00:13:14.593" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see, I am here.""" start="00:13:18.653" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `dired-jump` command, by default,""" start="00:13:20.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is bound to Ctrl-x, Ctrl-j (`C-x C-j`).""" start="00:13:22.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I do `C-x C-j`, in this case,""" start="00:13:25.233" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it invokes a command.""" start="00:13:29.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the name of it, `hyperdrive-up`,""" start="00:13:30.773" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is functionally equivalent to `dired-jump`.""" start="00:13:33.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does the same thing, meaning that it took me""" start="00:13:37.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the parent directory of this file.""" start="00:13:41.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is very helpful.""" start="00:13:45.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This listing over here, in general,""" start="00:13:48.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tries to mimic or to reuse""" start="00:13:50.693" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the knowledge you already have of Dired.""" start="00:13:55.273" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you type `o`,""" start="00:13:58.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will open the file at point in the other window,""" start="00:14:01.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same as in Dired.""" start="00:14:05.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whereas if you type `RET`,""" start="00:14:07.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would open it in the current window.""" start="00:14:08.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, same as what you will do in Dired.""" start="00:14:11.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see over here.""" start="00:14:16.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have options to jump with `j`,""" start="00:14:18.014" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is using Minibuffer completion to go to a file.""" start="00:14:21.643" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, I only have two files,""" start="00:14:26.233" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the idea is the same.""" start="00:14:28.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's, again, what you would do in Dired""" start="00:14:32.100" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you type `j` with the default key bindings, though,""" start="00:14:34.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not with Evil mode or something else.""" start="00:14:37.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see again what we have over here.""" start="00:14:40.293" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can create a bookmark, and this will work,""" start="00:14:42.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but no need to show you everything.""" start="00:14:45.934" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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hyperdrive by one.""" start="00:15:25.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So each action corresponds to one unit of history.""" start="00:15:29.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you add a file, remove a file, and edit a file,""" start="00:15:34.574" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this means that you are up three versions.""" start="00:15:37.833" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So whatever your version number is, plus three.""" start="00:15:40.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am on version 24* over here. [* latest, not version 24]""" start="00:15:44.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to this file now,""" start="00:15:48.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me do `V h`""" start="00:15:55.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see a history of it.""" start="00:15:59.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will notice that between versions 23 and 24,""" start="00:16:02.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this file was constant.""" start="00:16:07.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in version 25, we have a change.""" start="00:16:09.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you are in this buffer over here,""" start="00:16:12.633" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can type the equals sign 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state of this file.""" start="00:16:41.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is this person up to?""" start="00:16:42.413" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What have they been changing?""" start="00:16:43.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with Hyperdrive, you can also visit…""" start="00:16:46.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to the parent here.""" start="00:16:50.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can always visit a previous history.""" start="00:16:58.514" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, I will go to the previous history,""" start="00:17:02.413" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me see this file again""" start="00:17:06.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in its previous history.""" start="00:17:08.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am looking at the file,""" start="00:17:09.554" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but notice that the file now is not editable""" start="00:17:11.094" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is in the past.""" start="00:17:15.154" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot rewrite history.""" start="00:17:17.354" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can only go to the present and then modify it""" start="00:17:19.314" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then create a new history, a new version.""" start="00:17:23.414" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this helps me see the state of the file""" start="00:17:27.214" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at that version of the hyperdrive.""" start="00:17:31.214" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the basic idea of it, folks.""" start="00:17:35.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Use case of sharing large files""" start="00:17:39.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""What I want to do then is""" start="00:17:39.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue with my process here.""" start="00:17:42.234" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me actually do it like this so that you can see.""" start="00:17:46.254" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Continue with the process of""" start="00:17:51.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publishing all those files""" start="00:17:54.374" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have on my hyperdrive.""" start="00:17:56.494" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, this is a picture of a flower""" start="00:17:59.754" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have taken.""" start="00:18:02.854" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's very nice.""" start="00:18:04.114" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is a video of an eagle""" start="00:18:05.734" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was flying above me.""" start="00:18:08.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will share this on the Hyperdrive network.""" start="00:18:09.594" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From the network, by the way,""" start="00:18:13.774" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can also stream video as well.""" start="00:18:15.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is described in the hyperdrive.el manual,""" start="00:18:18.453" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I cannot show you everything right now.""" start="00:18:20.694" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you get the idea.""" start="00:18:24.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The gist is, you have a file system""" start="00:18:26.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can share with the world""" start="00:18:29.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using peer-to-peer technology.""" start="00:18:31.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for me, this is a powerful tool.""" start="00:18:34.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a valuable proposition""" start="00:18:38.520" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I can share these large files I have,""" start="00:18:41.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these pictures or videos,""" start="00:18:45.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I cannot post on my website""" start="00:18:47.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to bandwidth considerations.""" start="00:18:49.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this way, I can still share with the world""" start="00:18:52.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that I consider interesting.""" start="00:18:55.593" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for today, folks.""" start="00:18:59.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much for your attention.""" start="00:19:00.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Remember that hyperdrive.el is still in development""" start="00:19:01.894" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things may change.""" start="00:19:05.514" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the fundamentals are in place""" start="00:19:07.394" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will remain constant.""" start="00:19:10.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for today. Take care. Goodbye.""" start="00:19:13.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Joseph]: Thank you, Prot.""" start="00:19:19.461" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Drive creation with hyperdrive.el""" start="00:19:20.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Another fundamental feature of hyperdrive.el""" start="00:19:20.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is drive creation.""" start="00:19:23.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first step, as always,""" start="00:19:26.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to make sure that the gateway is running.""" start="00:19:28.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open up `hyperdrive-menu` with `C-c h`.""" start="00:19:30.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, my key presses,""" start="00:19:35.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the commands that they run,""" start="00:19:36.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be seen at the top right of my screen.""" start="00:19:38.699" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Down here, I see that the gateway is off.""" start="00:19:42.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll start it with `G s`.""" start="00:19:44.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, it takes a few moments""" start="00:19:49.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the gateway to spin up.""" start="00:19:50.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to refresh the menu,""" start="00:19:52.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will close it and open it again.""" start="00:19:54.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we see that the gateway is on.""" start="00:19:58.399" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `N` to create a new drive.""" start="00:20:01.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it's prompting me for a new hyperdrive seed.""" start="00:20:05.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A seed is a string of characters""" start="00:20:09.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will be used to generate,""" start="00:20:12.939" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in tandem with my secret master key,""" start="00:20:14.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a new public key that will globally,""" start="00:20:18.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uniquely identify this drive.""" start="00:20:21.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll type in "emacsconf".""" start="00:20:24.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And after a moment,""" start="00:20:31.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see the newly created, empty drive.""" start="00:20:32.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open up `hyperdrive-menu` once more.""" start="00:20:36.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll press `h` to open the sub-menu that shows""" start="00:20:40.099" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more information about this hyperdrive,""" start="00:20:43.799" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as commands related to this drive.""" start="00:20:45.979" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In blue here, we see the seed that I just entered""" start="00:20:50.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the public key that it generated.""" start="00:20:54.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also see that the petname""" start="00:21:00.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also set to emacsconf.""" start="00:21:02.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The petname is different from the seed.""" start="00:21:06.540" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The petname is my personal, local identifier""" start="00:21:09.039" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for this drive.""" start="00:21:13.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can change it whenever I want.""" start="00:21:14.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And while it's not a secret,""" start="00:21:16.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not displayed to other users.""" start="00:21:19.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will leave it for now.""" start="00:21:23.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""emacsconf" is fine.""" start="00:21:26.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when I go to share this drive,""" start="00:21:28.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll want to display something more memorable""" start="00:21:30.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than this long public key.""" start="00:21:34.159" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's what the nickname is for.""" start="00:21:36.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll change that by pressing `n`,""" start="00:21:39.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll type in "Emacs Conference".""" start="00:21:42.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, when other peers load this hyperdrive""" start="00:21:48.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by its URL, which I can copy by pressing `w`,""" start="00:21:51.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they will see the nickname""" start="00:21:57.059" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in addition to the public key.""" start="00:21:59.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if hyperdrive.el is like a phone book,""" start="00:22:02.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the public keys are akin to phone numbers,""" start="00:22:05.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the nickname is like the name that your contacts""" start="00:22:09.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""give you when they introduce themselves,""" start="00:22:13.939" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the petname is the name""" start="00:22:16.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you actually write down in your phone book.""" start="00:22:18.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you what nicknames and petnames look like""" start="00:22:22.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for drives that are not writable to me.""" start="00:22:25.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `C-g` to close this submenu,""" start="00:22:29.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now I'm back at the main menu.""" start="00:22:32.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `C-u h` to choose a hyperdrive,""" start="00:22:34.639" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll look at Prot's hyperdrive here.""" start="00:22:39.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we see that the nickname""" start="00:22:44.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Prot's hyperdrive is "Protesilaos".""" start="00:22:46.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, it's grayed out,""" start="00:22:49.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means that I can't change it.""" start="00:22:50.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't change it because it's not my hyperdrive.""" start="00:22:53.239" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I can change the petname if I want it""" start="00:22:56.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to show up under a different name.""" start="00:22:58.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll press `p`,""" start="00:23:00.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll type in "Prot", and hit Enter.""" start="00:23:02.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'll open his hyperdrive by pressing `f`.""" start="00:23:06.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll pick a path, I'll just hit `RET`""" start="00:23:11.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to open the root directory.""" start="00:23:13.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now, when Prot's hyperdrive shows up,""" start="00:23:16.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the screen,""" start="00:23:19.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see that it's identified with the petname "Prot."""" start="00:23:20.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""hyperdrive-mirror""" start="00:23:26.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now I'll show off `hyperdrive-mirror`.""" start="00:23:26.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`hyperdrive-mirror` is like `hyperdrive-upload-file`,""" start="00:23:28.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except that it allows you to upload""" start="00:23:32.159" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an entire directory full of files recursively.""" start="00:23:33.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this example, I will upload""" start="00:23:37.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contents of the emacsconf-mirror directory.""" start="00:23:40.039" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First step is to open the menu. I'll press H,""" start="00:23:44.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I will choose the emacsconf drive.""" start="00:23:48.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the bottom here, we see the Mirror group.""" start="00:23:53.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first option that I can change""" start="00:23:57.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the source directory.""" start="00:23:59.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The source directory is the directory on my local""" start="00:24:01.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine from which files will be uploaded.""" start="00:24:04.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, the source directory""" start="00:24:08.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is set to the current directory of the main buffer.""" start="00:24:11.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is good for now, so I'll leave it.""" start="00:24:17.060" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The target directory is the directory""" start="00:24:19.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the hyperdrive where the files will end up.""" start="00:24:22.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, it's the root directory,""" start="00:24:25.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for this example,""" start="00:24:28.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll put these files in a subdirectory called notes.""" start="00:24:30.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The filter is the rule that allows you""" start="00:24:36.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to programmatically determine which files""" start="00:24:40.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the local directory will be uploaded""" start="00:24:43.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the hyperdrive, and which ones won't.""" start="00:24:46.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, all files are mirrored, but in this case,""" start="00:24:50.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say that I want to upload only the Org files,""" start="00:24:54.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these first three, and I want to exclude""" start="00:24:58.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the markdown file, solar-oven-notes.md.""" start="00:25:01.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll press `m f`, and I will choose""" start="00:25:05.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the regular expression string option.""" start="00:25:10.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I wanted to, I could choose a named function""" start="00:25:13.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a lambda, but I won't demo that here.""" start="00:25:16.279" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll type in `org$`, which will match against""" start="00:25:22.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the files that end with "org."""" start="00:25:26.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The filter is here, and I'll leave confirmation on.""" start="00:25:31.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The confirmation step just allows me to review""" start="00:25:35.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the list of files that are going to be uploaded""" start="00:25:39.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the drive before it happens.""" start="00:25:42.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll press `m m` to mirror them, and I see here""" start="00:25:45.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that these three files are going to be uploaded.""" start="00:25:52.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks good. I'll press `C-c C-c` to confirm the mirror.""" start="00:25:58.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it says three files have been uploaded,""" start="00:26:05.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and here they are in the drive.""" start="00:26:07.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Good, so now I will modify the""" start="00:26:11.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fermented-overnight-oats file in the hyperdrive.""" start="00:26:15.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've loaded it, and I'll add here:""" start="00:26:19.939" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""or other grains - cook them in advance if you want to,"""" start="00:26:24.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll save it.""" start="00:26:31.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now this file, fermented-overnight-oats.org,""" start="00:26:33.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been modified on the hyperdrive""" start="00:26:37.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more recently than on the file system.""" start="00:26:40.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The file system file has not been modified.""" start="00:26:44.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll go back to my local directory,""" start="00:26:48.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll modify a different file.""" start="00:26:53.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, I'll add another hoedown""" start="00:26:56.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the fiddle-tunes.org file.""" start="00:27:00.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Tom and Jerry." That's a good hoedown.""" start="00:27:04.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I'll mirror again.""" start="00:27:09.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open the menu, and I'll press `h`,""" start="00:27:14.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I'll open up the emacsconf demo drive.""" start="00:27:16.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I've also decided that""" start="00:27:20.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to include the solar-oven-notes.md file.""" start="00:27:22.959" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll remove the filter""" start="00:27:26.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it's no longer excluded.""" start="00:27:28.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first subgroup is the files that are new locally.""" start="00:27:56.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the solar-oven-notes.md file is new on my machine,""" start="00:28:00.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it doesn't exist in the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:04.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the mirror command is going to take that file""" start="00:28:07.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add it to the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:10.039" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This group contains the files that are newer locally.""" start="00:28:13.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the fiddle-tunes.org file""" start="00:28:17.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been modified on my local machine,""" start="00:28:19.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it hasn't been modified on the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:23.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `hyperdrive-mirror` is going to take the""" start="00:28:26.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""updated version and put it on the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:28.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, the first group that's going to be ignored""" start="00:28:33.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are the files that are older locally.""" start="00:28:35.959" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the fermented oats file has been modified""" start="00:28:39.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the hyperdrive more recently""" start="00:28:42.979" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than on my local file system.""" start="00:28:45.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `hyperdrive-mirror` isn't going to overwrite""" start="00:28:47.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the version of the file in my hyperdrive""" start="00:28:51.059" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the older local version.""" start="00:28:53.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally, the emacsconf-preparation.org file""" start="00:28:57.279" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hasn't been modified on either the hyperdrive""" start="00:29:00.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or my local file system,""" start="00:29:05.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the timestamp is identical.""" start="00:29:07.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `hyperdrive-mirror` is going to""" start="00:29:09.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ignore this file as well.""" start="00:29:11.279" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only two files that are going""" start="00:29:13.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be uploaded now are the solar-oven-notes.md file""" start="00:29:15.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the fiddle-tunes.org file.""" start="00:29:19.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll confirm that with `C-c C-c`.""" start="00:29:21.639" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now in my hyperdrive""" start="00:29:25.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that there are four files.""" start="00:29:26.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The solar-oven-notes.md file has been uploaded,""" start="00:29:28.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if I open the fiddle-tunes.org file,""" start="00:29:31.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that it now contains the line "Tom and Jerry,"""" start="00:29:35.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means that it was updated based on""" start="00:29:39.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the change to the file on my local file system.""" start="00:29:41.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This `hyperdrive-mirror` command is the command""" start="00:29:47.099" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we use to periodically update""" start="00:29:50.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the USHIN hyperdrive with""" start="00:29:54.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contents of the USHIN website.""" start="00:29:56.599" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's going to be a link to the USHIN hyperdrive""" start="00:30:00.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the website at the end of the video.""" start="00:30:03.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""hyperdrive history""" start="00:30:06.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now I'll go into a little more detail""" start="00:30:06.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the Hyperdrive history buffer""" start="00:30:09.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by showing off the README file in Prot's hyperdrive.""" start="00:30:11.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `C-c h` to open the menu,""" start="00:30:15.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-u h` to be prompted for a drive.""" start="00:30:19.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll select Prot's drive,""" start="00:30:22.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'll press `f` to jump to a file""" start="00:30:24.239" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of Prot's drive,""" start="00:30:26.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then `RET` to go to the root directory.""" start="00:30:28.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From here, I'll press `j` to jump to""" start="00:30:32.399" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an item in his directory.""" start="00:30:35.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `RET` on the README to load it.""" start="00:30:37.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then finally, I'll open up""" start="00:30:42.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-c h` to look at the menu.""" start="00:30:44.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I see that I'm looking at""" start="00:30:49.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the latest version of Prot's README.org file.""" start="00:30:50.979" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also see that the previous version""" start="00:30:56.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of README.org is unknown.""" start="00:30:58.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's unknown because hyperdrives""" start="00:31:02.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are sparsely replicated.""" start="00:31:05.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that when my node loaded this""" start="00:31:07.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""README.org file, it didn't bother""" start="00:31:09.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to load anything else.""" start="00:31:12.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It didn't load the previous history""" start="00:31:13.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any other file in his drive.""" start="00:31:16.059" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But now that I want to check out whether""" start="00:31:18.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a previous version, I'll press `V p`.""" start="00:31:20.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when it loads, I see in the mode line down here""" start="00:31:26.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm now looking at version 25 of this drive.""" start="00:31:28.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that I'm looking at the README.org file""" start="00:31:33.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at version 25 of this drive.""" start="00:31:36.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll open the menu again, and I see""" start="00:31:39.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the same version number is displayed here.""" start="00:31:42.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The previous version, before version 25,""" start="00:31:47.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also unknown because we haven't bothered""" start="00:31:50.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to load anything before version 25.""" start="00:31:53.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also see that the next version, after version 25,""" start="00:31:56.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the latest version.""" start="00:32:00.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open that up by pressing `V n`.""" start="00:32:02.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we are back where we started,""" start="00:32:06.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the latest version.""" start="00:32:10.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But now we see that the previous version,""" start="00:32:12.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the version before the latest version, is version 25.""" start="00:32:15.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because now that our node has loaded the previous version,""" start="00:32:18.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can display that information to us.""" start="00:32:24.300" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From here, I'll open up the history buffer.""" start="00:32:28.620" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `V h`.""" start="00:32:31.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can see that there are two known existent""" start="00:32:35.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ranges in Prot's README.org history.""" start="00:32:40.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that the latest version of README.org""" start="00:32:46.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was modified at version 39.""" start="00:32:50.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that Prot made four changes""" start="00:32:54.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to other files in his hyperdrive""" start="00:32:57.480" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""besides the README.org file since then.""" start="00:33:00.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before that, the time that Prot modified""" start="00:33:04.280" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the README.org file was at version 25.""" start="00:33:08.660" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then he made 13 other changes to other files""" start="00:33:11.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of this drive.""" start="00:33:15.200" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before that, we don't know.""" start="00:33:18.580" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We haven't loaded the history.""" start="00:33:20.259" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But since we're curious,""" start="00:33:21.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll hit `RET` on the unknown line.""" start="00:33:23.179" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we see that in Prot's hyperdrive,""" start="00:33:27.920" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the README.org file didn't exist""" start="00:33:32.140" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the first 22 revisions of his drive.""" start="00:33:34.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then Prot created it at version 23.""" start="00:33:39.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then again, at 25, made a change.""" start="00:33:43.780" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then made another change at 39.""" start="00:33:46.920" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For good measure, I'll show you the diffs.""" start="00:33:50.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first diff just contains the entire file""" start="00:33:54.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the file didn't exist before version 23.""" start="00:33:58.180" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, at version 25, Prot added a link""" start="00:34:05.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the COPYING.org file.""" start="00:34:08.620" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, at 39,""" start="00:34:13.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Prot changed the link to his own hyperdrive""" start="00:34:14.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be a relative link.""" start="00:34:17.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Streaming video from hyperdrive""" start="00:34:20.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now, I'll stream a video from the USHIN hyperdrive""" start="00:34:20.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that shows off a prototype interface we created""" start="00:34:24.300" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for exploring networks of sources of information.""" start="00:34:27.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll open up `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:34:31.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press `C-u h` to be prompted for a drive.""" start="00:34:33.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll select the USHIN drive.""" start="00:34:37.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press `f` to jump to a file in it.""" start="00:34:39.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I'll jump to the media directory.""" start="00:34:41.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once it loads, I'll press `RET` on the video""" start="00:34:46.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to stream.""" start="00:34:50.180" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Voice from the video]: This is a demonstration""" start="00:34:54.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the subjective trust interface""" 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curl to hyper-gateway.""" start="00:35:18.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyper-gateway is a program that Mauve Signweaver wrote,""" start="00:35:22.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which runs a hyperdrive node under the hood.""" start="00:35:26.580" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also runs a local HTTP server,""" start="00:35:30.760" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which accepts requests to control the node.""" start="00:35:34.040" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if hyperdrive.el wants to show a file""" start="00:35:38.460" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from someone's hyperdrive,""" start="00:35:43.480" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it sends the appropriate link via curl""" start="00:35:45.220" 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+[[!template text="""hyper-sdk-rpc will give us more fine-grained control""" start="00:36:47.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the underlying Hyperdrive node,""" start="00:36:52.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will open up some new features.""" start="00:36:54.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, we'll be able to rename files atomically,""" start="00:36:56.820" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""diff directories between versions,""" start="00:37:00.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and list the peers that we're currently connected to.""" start="00:37:03.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are some of the Emacs libraries""" start="00:37:11.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that hyperdrive.el depends on.""" 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video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you log out and log back in.""" start="00:38:32.121" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're going to be developing a program in Emacs""" start="00:38:34.961" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs 29 or later,""" start="00:38:38.721" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I recommend looking at multisession.el,""" start="00:38:41.961" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's built-in, and it has some features""" start="00:38:44.941" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that persist.el doesn't have.""" start="00:38:50.161" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Next steps""" start="00:38:57.541" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Thank you for listening to this talk.""" start="00:38:57.541" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you get a chance to try out hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:39:00.001" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is a link to the hyperdrive.el manual""" start="00:39:03.681" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the USHIN hyperdrive.""" start="00:39:08.621" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you go to paste this link in,""" start="00:39:11.561" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll need to combine it back into one line.""" start="00:39:14.981" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This link is available in the hyperdrive.el manual,""" start="00:39:18.921" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is available from within a browser,""" start="00:39:22.501" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at this link on the USHIN website.""" start="00:39:26.661" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also have a public conference room that you can join.""" start="00:39:29.821" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an XMPP multi-user chat""" start="00:39:32.961" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the Sopranica team graciously makes available""" start="00:39:35.521" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for us to use.""" start="00:39:39.781" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also a Matrix bridge,""" start="00:39:41.621" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if that's more your cup of tea.""" start="00:39:43.901" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to the EmacsConf organizers.""" start="00:39:48.660" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a pleasure to participate,""" start="00:39:52.821" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I look forward to hearing the rest of the talks.""" start="00:39:55.161" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have a good day.""" start="00:39:57.614" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +<a name="hyperdrive-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess we are now live.""" start="00:00:12.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Joseph, thanks for being here.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for talking to the hyperdrive.""" start="00:00:16.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We already had some, or we already have a lot""" start="00:00:22.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] 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And we came across Move""" start="00:01:25.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SignWeaver, who was recommended to us by a""" start="00:01:29.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mutual friend. And we started working with""" start="00:01:32.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Move, and then about a year ago,""" start="00:01:33.840" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we started looking into using Emacs,""" start="00:01:37.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the peer-to-peer software,""" start="00:01:40.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we could make use of all of the""" start="00:01:43.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powerful things that Emacs already does with""" start="00:01:46.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org mode and other packages.""" start="00:01:47.780" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we started working with Adam and""" start="00:01:51.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pratt and Jonas.""" start="00:01:52.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yes.""" start="00:01:54.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So we are skipping to the next question.""" start="00:01:59.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to read it out, I use multiple computers""" start="00:02:03.700" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my partner also would like access to my""" start="00:02:06.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notes. 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And you can make that""" start="00:03:27.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""available for other people to link to.""" start="00:03:28.940" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can have multiple different""" start="00:03:30.640" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrives that link to 1 another.""" start="00:03:32.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So it's like a huge network of hyperdrives""" start="00:03:35.600" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connected to each other in some way.""" start="00:03:38.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah.""" start="00:03:39.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So that's kind of neat and kind of cool.""" start="00:03:41.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There was a follow-up question or the second""" start="00:03:44.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of the question. 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We have 2 people here""" start="00:05:25.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""joined with microphone.""" start="00:05:26.100" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do we have now any question to Joseph or just""" start="00:05:30.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here for chilling out.""" start="00:05:32.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it's a no. 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If there are no more""" start="00:25:40.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, I just wanted to encourage""" start="00:25:43.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone to try it out and to let us know""" start="00:25:48.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you think. 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Wonderful.""" start="00:26:16.420" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Who's that? Oh, hey. Well,""" start="00:26:19.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to say goodbye.""" start="00:26:34.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. And thank you for your questions,""" start="00:26:37.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I know that""" start="00:26:39.680" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: PlasmaStrike. I've met you before.""" start="00:26:40.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate your questions,""" start="00:26:42.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your thoughts.""" start="00:26:42.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, by the way, Joseph,""" start="00:26:50.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have our, our first,""" start="00:26:53.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if our first new user,""" start="00:26:55.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we have the first link being shared,""" start="00:26:57.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hyperdrive file in the chat and I loaded""" start="00:27:01.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it and it works. And it's funny too.""" start="00:27:03.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's worth looking at.""" start="00:27:03.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So. Oh, I think it's frozen.""" start="00:27:09.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if anybody can hear me.""" start="00:27:11.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can.""" start="00:27:12.720" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Okay, cool. The browser is frozen.""" start="00:27:15.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's it's not, okay. Just unfroze.""" start="00:27:19.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway. All right. Well,""" start="00:27:21.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, I enjoyed your talks about""" start="00:27:24.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole. I'm going to rewatch those later""" start="00:27:26.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I get a chance. It was nice to meet you,""" start="00:27:28.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too. Bob is a really great guy to work with.""" start="00:27:31.100" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Definitely a lot of interesting people.""" start="00:27:38.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I owe him 1. Yes, sir.""" start="00:27:40.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, you have a good day,""" start="00:27:41.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Will do, I like the insistence on local""" start="00:27:45.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first. Feels like it's a good dovetail with""" start="00:27:48.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hyper core""" start="00:27:49.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: enjoy the conference. Yeah,""" start="00:27:51.180" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I think there's a lot of a lot of""" start="00:27:54.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting possibilities to build on this we""" start="00:27:57.980" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have some plans that we Will get to you later""" start="00:28:01.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this well in the coming year And we'll see""" start="00:28:05.600" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the hyperdrive people,""" start="00:28:07.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, upstream how they develop it as""" start="00:28:09.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and yeah, so exciting times.""" start="00:28:14.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [joseph@ushin.org](mailto:joseph@ushin.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20hyperdrive%3A%20hyperdrive.el%3A%20Peer-to-peer%20filesystem%20in%20Emacs) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..944b9184 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +Actually a general-audience talk; just on the development track for scheduling purposes + +[[!toc ]] +Format: 41-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="hyperdrive-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 40:03 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm (996kB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.opus">Download --main.opus (18MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.webm">Download --main.webm (149MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/9wLA55XACiGnS3nNBNwsV5">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="hyperdrive-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9634dd75 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/gc">emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/lspocaml">Writing a language server in OCaml for Emacs, fun, and profit</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/koutline-after.md b/2023/info/koutline-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a48d8b9d --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/koutline-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="koutline-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""Today I will share a nice workflow I have""" start="00:00:03.340" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developed for stream of consciousness""" start="00:00:04.400" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling. The goal of stream of""" start="00:00:06.560" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consciousness journaling is to get your""" start="00:00:08.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thoughts on the screen as effectively and""" start="00:00:09.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""efficiently as possible.""" start="00:00:10.679" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These 2 features when combined reinforce each""" start="00:00:12.780" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other and let you hear yourself think in a""" start="00:00:14.860" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very efficient manner,""" start="00:00:15.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""increasing the number,""" start="00:00:17.220" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quality, and types of thoughts you can get""" start="00:00:18.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of it. The tools I will be using for this""" start="00:00:21.100" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are Emacs, KL line from the Hyperbolt""" start="00:00:22.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package, centered cursor mode,""" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Olivetti mode, and optionally,""" start="00:00:25.119" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""voice to text. Additionally,""" start="00:00:26.820" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see my commands and key bindings on""" start="00:00:28.939" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the right. I will start off by showing a""" start="00:00:31.500" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typing demo""" start="00:00:32.119" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how my day went.""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are certain functionalities for stream""" start="00:01:12.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of consciousness journaling that are desired""" start="00:01:14.640" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or detrimental to the process.""" start="00:01:15.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stream of thought functionalities,""" start="00:01:17.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things I want. The ability to optionally use""" start="00:01:26.000" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speech to text. I do this by using""" start="00:01:27.720" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nerdictation, a Python program.""" start="00:01:29.380" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am still experimenting with this as it""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changes the quality and types of thoughts you""" start="00:01:34.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can get out of stream of consciousness""" start="00:01:35.280" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling. I am still looking for better""" start="00:01:37.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ways of doing this. The ability to easily""" start="00:01:39.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize and split off my thoughts by""" start="00:01:41.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating and manipulating outlines.""" start="00:01:43.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Creating them in real time is needed for live""" start="00:01:46.280" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling and allows for later editing""" start="00:01:48.240" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really easily. I showed off some of these""" start="00:01:53.140" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commands before. To just write words without""" start="00:01:56.479" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worrying about format.""" start="00:01:57.540" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To not worry about scrolling,""" start="00:02:00.160" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use centered cursor mode.""" start="00:02:01.640" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To not worry about lines,""" start="00:02:05.200" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use the KOutline auto-filling""" start="00:02:06.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality. 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Features when editing or listening to""" start="00:03:04.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your journal. Spell checking.""" start="00:03:05.200" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use the Spackage Spellfoo,""" start="00:03:07.780" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are others. I use multiple panes to""" start="00:03:20.740" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read and edit. 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Basically,""" start="00:00:34.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the current versions of large language models""" start="00:00:39.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are all based on the similar architecture""" start="00:00:43.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called the transformer.""" start="00:00:44.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just an efficient way to train and produce output.""" start="00:00:45.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these things are basically models""" start="00:00:48.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that predict the next word or something like that.""" start="00:00:51.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they're trained on an enormous corpus of information""" start="00:00:58.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they get extremely good""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at predicting the next word.""" start="00:01:04.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And from that basic ability, you can train""" start="00:01:06.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through further tuning from human input,""" start="00:01:09.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""human ratings and things like that.""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can train different models based on that""" start="00:01:13.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will do question answering.""" start="00:01:17.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is how basically ChatGPT works.""" start="00:01:18.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a base LLM, like GPT.""" start="00:01:22.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you have a chat version of that,""" start="00:01:25.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just trained to just... 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There's 7B, like the Lama 7B is OK.""" start="00:24:51.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Mistral 7B, 7 billion,""" start="00:24:52.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are like, basically it'll take like,""" start="00:24:54.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can run it with like 16 gigs of RAM,""" start="00:24:58.380" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pretty good. It's probably about as equal""" start="00:25:02.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the LLAMA13B. Those are the number of""" start="00:25:06.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""parameters, if I remember correctly.""" start="00:25:08.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's a 7B,""" start="00:25:10.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've never been able to run.""" start="00:25:12.340" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And even if the 7B, if you run it without a""" start="00:25:16.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GPU, it takes quite a while to answer.""" start="00:25:19.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I've had experiences where it took""" start="00:25:22.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literally like several,""" start="00:25:23.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like 5 minutes before it even started""" start="00:25:26.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""responding, but you do eventually get""" start="00:25:28.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something. And it could be that like things""" start="00:25:32.220" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have gotten better since the last time I""" start="00:25:33.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tried this, because things are moving fast.""" start="00:25:35.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it is super recommended to have a GPU.""" start="00:25:38.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the problem. It's kind of like,""" start="00:25:42.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, free software is great.""" start="00:25:43.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if free software is requiring that you""" start="00:25:46.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have these kind of beefy servers and have all""" start="00:25:50.460" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this hardware, that's not great.""" start="00:25:52.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's a case to be made.""" start="00:25:53.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: a hardware""" start="00:25:55.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: with slots instead of a laptop.""" start="00:25:59.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah, that's right.""" start="00:26:01.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Ideally, you can have Ideally,""" start="00:26:03.660" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be nice if FSL for all things could""" start="00:26:07.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run something for open source model.""" start="00:26:12.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And not free, but the key point is that it's""" start="00:26:16.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Libre?""" start="00:26:16.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yes, so actually I think Google does do that.""" start="00:26:22.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll have to look it up,""" start="00:26:24.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't explored this yet.""" start="00:26:27.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Google's server, which LLM does support,""" start="00:26:31.220" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supports arbitrary models.""" start="00:26:33.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can run LLMA or things like that.""" start="00:26:36.420" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The problem is that even if you're running""" start="00:26:38.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mistral, which has no restrictions.""" start="00:26:40.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the kind of thing that like the""" start="00:26:42.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Free Software Foundation cares a lot about.""" start="00:26:44.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like you want it to be like no restrictions,""" start="00:26:47.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""legal restrictions on you as you run the""" start="00:26:49.740" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""model. So even if it's running Mistral,""" start="00:26:52.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just by using the server,""" start="00:26:54.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the company server, it will impose some""" start="00:26:58.460" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""restrictions on you probably,""" start="00:26:59.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? There's gonna be some license that you""" start="00:27:02.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to, or something you have to abide by.""" start="00:27:04.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think, yes, it depends on how much you""" start="00:27:08.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""care about it, I guess.""" start="00:27:09.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should find out more about that and make""" start="00:27:19.500" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure that it's a good point that I should,""" start="00:27:21.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, people should be able to run free""" start="00:27:23.980" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""models over the server.""" start="00:27:25.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I should make sure we support that in the""" start="00:27:28.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LLM package. So, is there any other questions""" start="00:27:40.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or is otherwise we can end the session.""" start="00:27:48.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, all right. Thank you.""" start="00:28:00.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you everyone who listened.""" start="00:28:02.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm super happy like I,""" start="00:28:04.540" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the interest is great.""" start="00:28:06.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's great stuff to be done here""" start="00:28:08.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm kind of super excited what we're""" start="00:28:10.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to do in the next year,""" start="00:28:11.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so hopefully, like next year,""" start="00:28:13.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the conference we have something even""" start="00:28:14.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more exciting to say about LLM and how they""" start="00:28:16.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be used with Emacs.""" start="00:28:17.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank""" start="00:28:19.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:28:30.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ahyatt@gmail.com](mailto:ahyatt@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20llm%3A%20LLM%20clients%20in%20Emacs%2C%20functionality%20and%20standardization) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/llm-before.md b/2023/info/llm-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2371bd44 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/llm-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 21-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="llm-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/llm-nav.md b/2023/info/llm-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..13555b70 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/llm-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/voice">Enhancing productivity with voice computing</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/overlay">Improving compiler diagnostics with overlays</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..56d6ba54 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,793 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="lspocaml-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Austin Theriault,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is writing a language server in OCaml""" start="00:00:01.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs, fun, and profit.""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Real quick, who am I?""" start="00:00:07.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I'm a software engineer at Semgrep.""" start="00:00:08.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work on our editor integrations,""" start="00:00:10.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I love working on programming languages, editors,""" start="00:00:13.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and cryptography.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""What is Semgrep?""" start="00:00:16.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""What is Semgrep?""" start="00:00:16.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're a small cybersecurity startup""" start="00:00:17.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose core product is a SaaS tool,""" start="00:00:20.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is static application security testing.""" start="00:00:21.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can think of it as like a security linter.""" start="00:00:24.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normal linters will say, hey,""" start="00:00:27.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you wrote ugly code, fix it.""" start="00:00:30.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll say, hey, you wrote a SQL injection, fix that.""" start="00:00:31.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We support 30+ languages,""" start="00:00:35.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have lots of customers all using different IDEs.""" start="00:00:36.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why does that matter?""" start="00:00:39.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""How do we show security bugs early?""" start="00:00:40.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Well, our goal is to show security bugs""" start="00:00:40.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as early as possible in the development cycle.""" start="00:00:42.780" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the industry, we call this shifting left.""" start="00:00:45.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so how far left can we shift? The editor.""" start="00:00:48.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's why it matters""" start="00:00:52.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that our customers have different editors.""" start="00:00:53.620" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our goal is to have Semgrep and the editor""" start="00:00:56.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show up like other language tooling.""" start="00:00:58.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I mean by that is I wrote some bad OCaml up here,""" start="00:01:01.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the editor gave me that red squiggly and said,""" start="00:01:05.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fix your OCaml, and we want Semgrep to do something similar.""" start="00:01:07.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so our goal then is to provide a similar experience""" start="00:01:12.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to normal language checking.""" start="00:01:15.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then since we're a small startup,""" start="00:01:16.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there's a ton of different IDEs that our customers use,""" start="00:01:19.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ideally, we don't want to have to rewrite a plugin""" start="00:01:22.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for every single type of editor out there.""" start="00:01:24.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our other goal is abstract away""" start="00:01:27.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing and language features for editors to one code base.""" start="00:01:29.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ideally, we write it once""" start="00:01:32.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then plug it into all of them.""" start="00:01:33.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how can we do that, though?""" start="00:01:35.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""What is the Language Server Protocol?""" start="00:01:37.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Well, in the process of working on this stuff,""" start="00:01:37.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found out about""" start="00:01:40.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Language Server Protocol.""" start="00:01:43.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what's great about the Language Server Protocol is""" start="00:01:44.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a specification that defines all the ways""" start="00:01:47.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that these language tools might interact""" start="00:01:50.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a development tool. And by development tool,""" start="00:01:52.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean like VS Code, Sublime, Emacs, any of those.""" start="00:01:56.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And by language tool, I mean something like PyRight, MyPy.""" start="00:02:01.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what's cool about LSP is that""" start="00:02:07.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can separate out those tools into language servers""" start="00:02:09.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the development tools into language clients.""" start="00:02:13.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because they share this common specification,""" start="00:02:15.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they can now interact without knowing each other.""" start="00:02:18.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's this great abstraction that means""" start="00:02:20.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all you have to do is go write one language server""" start="00:02:22.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can hook it up to a bunch of language clients""" start="00:02:25.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll just work.""" start="00:02:27.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Case study: Rust Analyzer""" start="00:02:29.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's do a quick case study on language servers in LSP,""" start="00:02:29.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just so you get an idea of why this is super cool.""" start="00:02:34.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's this language server called Rust Analyzer.""" start="00:02:37.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a language server for the Rust language.""" start="00:02:40.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever developed in Rust,""" start="00:02:42.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll know that takes a really long time to compile,""" start="00:02:44.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the compiler gives you fantastic feedback.""" start="00:02:46.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust has a lot of advanced language features,""" start="00:02:50.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that feedback is super important for developing.""" start="00:02:52.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so Rust Analyzer will give you that feedback instantly.""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a ton of things that it gives you.""" start="00:02:58.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Code completion, fixes, compiler errors, warnings,""" start="00:03:01.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""type signatures. Rust has a pretty strong type system.""" start="00:03:05.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has this thing called lifetimes.""" start="00:03:08.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A bunch of advanced language features in Rust Analyzer""" start="00:03:12.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps you manage all that""" start="00:03:15.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gives you all that info""" start="00:03:16.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to wait for it to compile.""" start="00:03:17.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Developing with the Rust Analyzer""" start="00:03:19.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just orders of magnitude easier""" start="00:03:21.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than just trying to write Rust straight.""" start="00:03:24.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust Analyzer, fantastic. They went and they developed it,""" start="00:03:26.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now you can go use that in Emacs, NeoVim,""" start="00:03:30.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""VS Code, wherever.""" start="00:03:33.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can develop Rust in a way that's relatively efficient""" start="00:03:35.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to give up your favorite editor.""" start="00:03:39.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Rust Analyzer in action""" start="00:03:42.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So here's a quick little demo""" start="00:03:42.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of all the cool things it can do.""" start="00:03:44.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see I typed an error.""" start="00:03:46.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It tells me that I wrote an error.""" start="00:03:48.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the incorrect lifetime,""" start="00:03:50.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is some advanced language feature,""" start="00:03:52.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll let me know that.""" start="00:03:54.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I expanded a Rust macro just there,""" start="00:03:55.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is similar to Lisp macros,""" start="00:03:57.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I ran a single unit test,""" start="00:03:59.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's really cool because I ran a single unit test""" start="00:04:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from my editor.""" start="00:04:04.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't have to go and type any commands or anything.""" start="00:04:05.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just worked.""" start="00:04:07.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Why is this useful?""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So why is this just useful in general for a user?""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, you get the same experience across editors.""" start="00:04:13.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I was saying, you don't have to give up""" start="00:04:15.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one editor for another""" start="00:04:17.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you get some sort of cool language feature.""" start="00:04:18.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can easily set up and use language servers""" start="00:04:21.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""made for other editors""" start="00:04:23.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if developers don't support your editor of choice.""" start="00:04:24.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Performance is not dependent on the editor.""" start="00:04:27.860" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's fantastic because to do all that Rust stuff,""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it takes a lot of CPU power,""" start="00:04:35.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so that's going to be slow""" start="00:04:37.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if your editor language is not great, not fast.""" start="00:04:40.500" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then bug fixes, updates, all that,""" start="00:04:43.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it all comes out at the same time.""" start="00:04:47.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then from the developer perspective, well,""" start="00:04:50.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding new editors is quick and easy.""" start="00:04:53.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For reference, when I wrote the Semgrep language server,""" start="00:04:55.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it took me maybe two or three weeks,""" start="00:04:58.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then actually going and setting it up for VS Code,""" start="00:05:00.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that took an hour. For Emacs, 30 minutes.""" start="00:05:04.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""IntelliJ, maybe another hour.""" start="00:05:06.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it took me a day to add support""" start="00:05:08.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for three different editors,""" start="00:05:10.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was I think something like 75% of the market share""" start="00:05:11.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something crazy like that.""" start="00:05:14.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So very quick. You only need one mental model.""" start="00:05:16.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have to figure out""" start="00:05:20.180" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all these different extension mental models,""" start="00:05:21.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how those editors work, anything like that.""" start="00:05:23.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And another thing that's cool is""" start="00:05:26.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you only have to write tests for the language server,""" start="00:05:28.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not necessarily for the editor.""" start="00:05:30.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great to have just one set of tests""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you have to pass.""" start="00:05:33.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""So what about Emacs?""" start="00:05:36.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So why does a language server protocol matter with Emacs?""" start="00:05:36.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, like I was saying before,""" start="00:05:40.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs gets the benefit from work put into other editors.""" start="00:05:42.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we get all this language support,""" start="00:05:45.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and no one actually has to go and write the list for it""" start="00:05:47.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or write those tools specific to Emacs.""" start="00:05:51.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You get the language tooling,""" start="00:05:53.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the CPU-intensive part of the editors.""" start="00:05:54.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be written in something else.""" start="00:05:56.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp is fast. It's not that fast.""" start="00:05:58.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Having that speed is fantastic. It's all asynchronous.""" start="00:06:01.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It won't slow down Emacs.""" start="00:06:04.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's this package called `lsp-mode`,""" start="00:06:06.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an LSP client commonly included""" start="00:06:08.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in popular Emacs distributions.""" start="00:06:11.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a lot of people already have that.""" start="00:06:13.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're using Emacs 29 or greater, you have `eglot-mode`,""" start="00:06:15.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a lighter weight version of `lsp-mode`.""" start="00:06:18.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just another LSP client.""" start="00:06:21.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I wrote the Semgrep language server,""" start="00:06:24.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 29 hadn't come out yet.""" start="00:06:26.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to talk too much about `eglot-mode`""" start="00:06:28.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I did everything in `lsp-mode`,""" start="00:06:31.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I would imagine a lot of this stuff is very similar.""" start="00:06:33.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a list of some supported languages.""" start="00:06:37.780" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Technical part - Brief communication overview""" start="00:06:40.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now let's get into the technical part.""" start="00:06:40.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does LSP actually work?""" start="00:06:42.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go over how it communicates first.""" start="00:06:45.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses JSONRPC,""" start="00:06:47.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just kind of like HTTP,""" start="00:06:49.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but instead of sending plain text, you're sending JSON.""" start="00:06:51.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's just sending JSON back and forth.""" start="00:06:54.620" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great because it's a way""" start="00:06:56.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for two programs to communicate""" start="00:06:58.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without sharing a common programming language.""" start="00:06:59.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Transport platform agnostic,""" start="00:07:02.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it could be stdin, stdout,""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sockets, whatever. It's just JSON.""" start="00:07:07.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can send it over whatever.""" start="00:07:09.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's two different types of messages,""" start="00:07:11.140" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a request, which requires a response from the other party,""" start="00:07:12.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a notification, which does not expect a response.""" start="00:07:15.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just a quick little example,""" start="00:07:19.260" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a user might open a document,""" start="00:07:21.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it'll send like a text document did open""" start="00:07:23.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what document it was to the language server,""" start="00:07:28.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they'll change it.""" start="00:07:30.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe they edit some code and introduce a syntax error.""" start="00:07:31.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The changes will be sent to the language server,""" start="00:07:35.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the language server will publish diagnostics,""" start="00:07:37.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is those red squigglies""" start="00:07:39.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was talking about earlier,""" start="00:07:41.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and say, hey, syntax error or whatever here,""" 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video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""This is what it looks like, what a request looks like.""" start="00:07:58.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notifications look somewhat similar.""" start="00:08:01.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""LSP capabilities""" start="00:08:03.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So now we know how LSP communication works,""" start="00:08:03.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but how does the actual protocol work?""" start="00:08:05.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, almost all of the protocol is opt-in,""" start="00:08:09.860" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaning you don't have to support the entire specification,""" start="00:08:12.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just pick and choose.""" start="00:08:15.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Servers and clients will then communicate""" start="00:08:17.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what part of the protocol they both support,""" start="00:08:19.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they'll both say, hey,""" start="00:08:21.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we support being notified when a user opens a document,""" start="00:08:22.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if they're looking for documentation.""" start="00:08:26.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so then once they agree upon what they'll both support,""" start="00:08:28.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then they'll send that stuff,""" start="00:08:33.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those notifications and requests back and forth.""" start="00:08:35.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things like opening and closing files, diagnostics,""" start="00:08:38.580" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code completion, hovering over stuff, type signatures,""" start="00:08:41.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of that. And what's cool is""" start="00:08:46.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though the specification is huge""" start="00:08:48.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and probably has everything you need,""" start="00:08:50.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go ahead and add custom capabilities""" start="00:08:52.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you really want to.""" start="00:08:54.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just define a custom method,""" start="00:08:55.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then now that works for you,""" start="00:08:57.980" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now you can have that in all your editors.""" start="00:09:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Rust Analyzer""" start="00:09:03.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has structural search and replace,""" start="00:09:04.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like find and replace,""" start="00:09:06.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with respect to the structure of the code.""" start="00:09:08.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you choose to go down this route""" start="00:09:11.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the custom capabilities,""" start="00:09:13.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you do have to remember you're going to have to""" start="00:09:15.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implement it in every client.""" start="00:09:16.660" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a little bit more work,""" start="00:09:18.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's better than where we were without LSP.""" start="00:09:20.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Tips on writing a LS""" start="00:09:23.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So some quick tips on writing a language server.""" start="00:09:23.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to get too into this""" start="00:09:25.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's very application-specific.""" start="00:09:27.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote Semgrep's in OCaml""" start="00:09:30.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since our code base was almost all OCaml already,""" start="00:09:32.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""TypeScript has a lot of support, a lot of documentation,""" start="00:10:10.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of examples out there""" start="00:10:12.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it was what Microsoft originally intended""" start="00:10:14.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the language server protocol to be for, for VS Code,""" start="00:10:17.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is written in TypeScript.""" start="00:10:20.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust is fast, it's going to take more effort,""" start="00:10:22.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's very fast, and Rust Analyzer has a great library""" start="00:10:24.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they use and that they support.""" 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So, like, if you're doing, like,""" start="00:10:35.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language tooling, you're going to have to do""" start="00:10:39.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""analysis on the code, so you need to do parsing,""" start="00:10:40.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possibly compiling, all these different advanced features,""" start="00:10:42.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all these advanced different things.""" start="00:10:47.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Rust Analyzer will do incremental compilation,""" start="00:10:48.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is really, really cool,""" start="00:10:52.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's, like, a whole separate talk.""" start="00:10:54.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're adapting an existing language tool,""" start="00:10:58.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this stuff is really easy.""" start="00:11:00.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're basically just wiring stuff up.""" start="00:11:01.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Supporting a LS through LSP mode in Emacs""" start="00:11:03.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""But, yeah. So, now we know all about""" start="00:11:03.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LSP and language servers.""" start="00:11:08.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say you want to actually""" start="00:11:10.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add support for a language server in Emacs.""" start="00:11:11.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you do that? Well, let's look at LSP mode,""" start="00:11:14.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because, like I said, this is what I'm most familiar with.""" start="00:11:19.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sure `eglot-mode` is pretty similar.""" start="00:11:21.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, `lsp-mode`'s repository is on GitHub,""" start="00:11:24.260" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like everything, and it has a ton of different clients""" start="00:11:27.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a ton of different languages and frameworks and tools,""" start="00:11:31.500" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Semgrep, and these are available""" start="00:11:34.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to anyone who installs LSP mode.""" start="00:11:37.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alternatively, you can make a separate package""" start="00:11:39.740" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just use LSP mode as a library,""" start="00:11:42.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm not going to focus on this,""" start="00:11:43.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's already a ton of resources out there""" start="00:11:45.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on packaging and Emacs.""" start="00:11:47.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, our steps, very quickly, are going to look like""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding an Emacs Lisp file that contains some logic,""" start="00:11:54.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add an entry 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+[[!template text="""Registering a client just means, like,""" start="00:12:15.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying what kind of connection it is.""" start="00:12:18.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's most likely going to be standard I/O,""" start="00:12:19.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's pretty easy to implement,""" start="00:12:21.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you just pass it the executable""" start="00:12:24.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you actually want to run.""" start="00:12:26.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say what the activation function is,""" start="00:12:29.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is when the client should start,""" start="00:12:31.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can specify the language""" start="00:12:33.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the major mode or whatever,""" start="00:12:36.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now your client will start whenever that's triggered,""" start="00:12:38.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then finally provide just a server ID,""" start="00:12:43.100" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that way it's easy to keep track of,""" start="00:12:45.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then run this LSP consistency check function.""" start="00:12:48.580" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This just makes sure everything up there is good.""" start="00:12:52.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do more advanced stuff with making an LSP client""" start="00:12:56.580" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm not going to get into,""" start="00:12:59.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but just know that these aren't your only options,""" start="00:13:01.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then finally provide your client.""" start="00:13:03.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Add to list of client packages""" start="00:13:07.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Next, you just have to add your client""" start="00:13:07.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the list of clients that `lsp-mode` supports,""" start="00:13:09.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now you've added support for a whole new language,""" start="00:13:12.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" 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No, not even, like, 15.""" start="00:13:20.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""15 lines of Lisp, whole new language for Emacs.""" start="00:13:23.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really exciting. Now that you have your client,""" start="00:13:26.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's do some documentation. Go fill out this, like, name,""" start="00:13:31.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the repository, the source code is,""" start="00:13:35.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because free software is great,""" start="00:13:37.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you should open source your stuff.""" start="00:13:39.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Specify the installation command.""" start="00:13:42.180" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's cool about this is""" start="00:13:44.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this can be run automatically from Emacs,""" start="00:13:45.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if it's, like, `pip install pyright`, right,""" start="00:13:48.060" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can put that there, and Emacs will ask you,""" start="00:13:50.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you want to install the language server,""" start="00:13:53.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can hit yes""" start="00:13:55.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and users will just have it installed for them,""" start="00:13:56.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can say whether or not it's a debugger.""" start="00:13:59.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is completely separate,""" start="00:14:01.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's this thing called DAP,""" start="00:14:03.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the debugger adapter protocol,""" start="00:14:05.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's similar to LSP but for debuggers,""" start="00:14:07.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very cool,""" start="00:14:09.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Add documentation!""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""and then finally link to your documentation.""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please, please document your stuff.""" start="00:14:14.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Adding commands and custom capabilities""" start="00:14:17.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""If you want to add, like, a custom Emacs function""" start="00:14:17.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or custom capabilities, it's super easy.""" start="00:14:20.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's literally just, like, calling a normal Emacs function.""" start="00:14:22.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Semgrep normally only scans files""" start="00:14:27.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you open them, but we added a Emacs function""" start="00:14:30.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will scan your entire project, right,""" start="00:14:34.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so that was just a client notification.""" start="00:14:36.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was just `lsp-notify` and then a custom method,""" start="00:14:40.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's great because now you can just scan your project""" start="00:14:44.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a simple Emacs function.""" start="00:14:46.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Requests, very similar to notifications.""" start="00:14:48.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You send it and then pass it a lambda""" start="00:14:52.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do something with the result,""" start="00:14:56.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so that's adding custom capabilities.""" start="00:14:58.460" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Thanks for listening""" start="00:15:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""That's pretty much it. Thank you for listening.""" start="00:15:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some resources here.""" start="00:15:04.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These links are clickable if you get the PDF,""" start="00:15:05.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you get the slides. Semgrep: we're hiring!""" start="00:15:08.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to work on, like,""" start="00:15:10.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming language theory stuff,""" start="00:15:12.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilers, parsers, editors,""" start="00:15:13.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""email me or go look at our jobs.""" start="00:15:18.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The LSP specification, this is, like, the holy Bible.""" start="00:15:22.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has all the specs, all the types, everything.""" start="00:15:25.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`lsp-mode` and the docs.""" start="00:15:28.340" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`lsp-mode`, right, that's where you want to add your client.""" start="00:15:30.420" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The docs are great, super useful.""" start="00:15:33.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust Analyzer is just a great reference""" start="00:15:36.100" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for language servers in general""" start="00:15:38.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to write one or if you just want to, like,""" start="00:15:39.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see how they work. It's all just really well done.""" start="00:15:42.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great code, very readable.""" start="00:15:45.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then down here is just a long video tutorial,""" start="00:15:47.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a longer video tutorial, not by me,""" start="00:15:50.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by someone else, on how to add a language client to Emacs,""" start="00:15:54.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but hopefully this is sufficient for y'all,""" start="00:15:58.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now it's time for some Q&A.""" start="00:16:01.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +<a name="lspocaml-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I would invite all on the,""" start="00:00:03.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are currently watching,""" start="00:00:04.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who have questions, put them into the pad""" start="00:00:06.819" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can ask them. I'm kind of monitoring""" start="00:00:08.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the IRC concurrently. 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Its ecosystem is great.""" start="00:01:05.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OCaml is great if you need to use it,""" start="00:01:08.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's just it's not ideal.""" start="00:01:10.880" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's just also no good examples of a""" start="00:01:14.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language server in OCaml.""" start="00:01:15.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the official like OCaml language""" start="00:01:19.119" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""server, But they use a ton of super advanced""" start="00:01:22.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language features, like module functors and a""" start="00:01:27.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bunch of other random stuff.""" start="00:01:28.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not really readable.""" start="00:01:29.479" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Rust, there's Rust analyzer,""" start="00:01:31.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is readable. In TypeScript,""" start="00:01:33.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's like a million different ones.""" start="00:01:34.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's less of a, not OCaml is like,""" start="00:01:39.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not that OCaml isn't great.""" start="00:01:40.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's more of a, these other languages would""" start="00:01:43.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably just be easier.""" start="00:01:44.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So.""" start="00:01:45.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess since the integration to,""" start="00:01:48.619" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, like NeoVim or some other""" start="00:01:50.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editors are just revenue fine because of the""" start="00:01:53.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sorry, can you say that again?""" start="00:01:56.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: LSP, I guess. The LSP,""" start="00:01:58.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a standard LSP specification that""" start="00:02:01.979" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're using. So you can also,""" start="00:02:03.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for instance, use it and other editors,""" start="00:02:04.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like for instance, new them or so.""" start="00:02:06.660" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah. Yeah. You can use it.""" start="00:02:08.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's most, most editors nowadays support it.""" start="00:02:11.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like obviously Emacs, NeoVim,""" start="00:02:13.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sublime, VS code, Intel,""" start="00:02:16.420" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the IntelliJ ones.""" start="00:02:17.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's, that's the fun part.""" start="00:02:21.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have to write 10 different""" start="00:02:23.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages to get a bunch of editor support.""" start="00:02:26.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Also experience writing it.""" start="00:02:30.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I didn't have really time to hear into""" start="00:02:33.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your talk. So I'm sorry if I ask you""" start="00:02:36.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions that you have already said.""" start="00:02:38.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How was the experience of writing an LSP?""" start="00:02:41.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So have you any knowledge beforehand or do""" start="00:02:44.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just read it all on yourself?""" start="00:02:45.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, there's not a ton of documentation,""" start="00:02:49.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what motivated me to do this talk.""" start="00:02:53.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, I just looked at the""" start="00:02:56.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specification, and I knew Rust Analyzer was""" start="00:02:58.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. 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It's nothing I can see.""" start="00:04:01.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No questions, that's kind of odd to be""" start="00:04:13.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""honest. 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Just to let you know,""" start="00:12:14.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have like 1 minute on the stream and then""" start="00:12:20.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll switch back and to the pre-recorded""" start="00:12:22.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuff I guess.""" start="00:12:24.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah yeah yeah let's hi sorry for the rude""" start="00:12:27.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interruption but I'm just doing a little bit""" start="00:12:29.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of time keeping so thank you so much Austin""" start="00:12:31.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sadly I wasn't able to follow the Q&A because""" start="00:12:34.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was in the other track answering questions.""" start="00:12:36.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If, Austin, you want to stay and answer some""" start="00:12:39.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more questions, feel free to do so.""" start="00:12:41.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People tend to start talking as soon as we go""" start="00:12:45.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""off air, And I wouldn't be surprised with LSP""" start="00:12:48.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people would do the same.""" start="00:12:49.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're gonna move on for this track.""" start="00:12:52.800" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're gonna move on in 20 seconds to the next""" start="00:12:54.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1. So Floey, thank you for hosting.""" start="00:12:56.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Austin, thank you for all your answers.""" start="00:12:58.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And We'll see you in a bit.""" start="00:13:01.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool. Thanks. See you.""" start="00:13:04.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thanks for the Q&A.""" start="00:13:06.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: All right. All right. You are now off air.""" start="00:13:10.120" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much, Austin.""" start="00:13:11.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to go back running in the""" start="00:13:13.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background. And thank you,""" start="00:13:13.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Flowey, for everything.""" start="00:13:14.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And thanks. Yeah. Have a nice,""" start="00:13:20.900" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably a nice day at your work.""" start="00:13:23.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, no worries. Yeah.""" start="00:13:24.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's still it's like lunchtime for me.""" start="00:13:26.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So okay, here, it's like,""" start="00:13:28.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""09:00. 9pm. Thanks for the talk.""" start="00:13:34.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry for the inconvenience was not having""" start="00:13:36.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any, any questions, really.""" start="00:13:37.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So yeah. Oh yeah, no worries.""" start="00:13:39.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, there's like no documentation on""" start="00:13:41.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any of this stuff. So I didn't really expect""" start="00:13:42.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any.""" start="00:13:43.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I was kind of interested when I jumped""" start="00:13:47.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into NeoVim. I write it 1 or 2 things on my""" start="00:13:51.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""own, but never really got really deep into""" start="00:13:53.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. And you're gonna see with like compiler""" start="00:13:54.520" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""design and stuff like this,""" start="00:13:55.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not really specific.""" start="00:13:57.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I was""" start="00:13:58.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: kind of- Yeah, that's the hard part.""" start="00:14:00.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, it's, LSP is cool,""" start="00:14:02.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you have to like deal with all the""" start="00:14:05.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like compiler stuff and programming language""" start="00:14:06.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""theory.""" start="00:14:07.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So yeah. So it's, it shouldn't be too""" start="00:14:10.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""complicated. I had not really a question,""" start="00:14:13.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so, but it worked out fine.""" start="00:14:14.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the Q and A.""" start="00:14:16.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I have any questions to Oak Hamill,""" start="00:14:18.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elderspeak will get an email from you.""" start="00:14:20.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah, definitely.""" start="00:14:21.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Dan?""" start="00:14:23.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [austin@cutedogs.org](mailto:austin@cutedogs.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20lspocaml%3A%20Writing%20a%20language%20server%20in%20OCaml%20for%20Emacs%2C%20fun%2C%20and%20profit) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d3f225c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 17-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="lspocaml-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="lspocaml-mainVideo" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:16.540 What is Semgrep? +00:40.720 How do we show security bugs early? +01:37.880 What is the Language Server Protocol? +02:29.040 Case study: Rust Analyzer +03:42.760 Rust Analyzer in action +04:09.960 Why is this useful? +05:36.220 So what about Emacs? +06:40.700 Technical part - Brief communication overview +07:58.760 Example request +08:03.380 LSP capabilities +09:23.380 Tips on writing a LS +11:03.480 Supporting a LS through LSP mode in Emacs +12:06.000 Create a client +13:07.300 Add to list of client packages +14:11.680 Add documentation! +14:17.880 Adding commands and custom capabilities +15:01.360 Thanks for listening + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 16:04 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.opus">Download --main.opus (8.7MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.webm">Download --main.webm (29MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault.pdf">Download .pdf (87MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/jgMzmGyx4H1YDwc5n1eRZu">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="lspocaml-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a705e389 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hyperdrive">hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md b/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2471df19 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,227 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="matplotllm-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, my name is Abhinav and I'm going to talk about""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this tool that I've been working on called MatplotLLM.""" start="00:00:03.040" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MatplotLLM is a natural language interface""" start="00:00:06.200" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over matplotlib, which is a library I use a lot""" start="00:00:09.520" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for making visualizations.""" start="00:00:12.480" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a pretty common Python library used a lot everywhere""" start="00:00:14.440" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where there's need of plotting and graphing.""" start="00:00:18.680" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually use it in reports.""" start="00:00:22.480" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever I'm writing a report in org mode,""" start="00:00:25.360" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tend to write a code block which is in Python.""" start="00:00:27.360" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then that code block has usage of matplotlib""" start="00:00:31.560" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to produce some reports.""" start="00:00:34.080" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works really well.""" start="00:00:36.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But at times what happens is""" start="00:00:38.320" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to make a very custom graph, let's say.""" start="00:00:40.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then while I'm writing a report,""" start="00:00:43.960" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's kind of a huge leap of abstraction""" start="00:00:46.920" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm working on text""" start="00:00:50.680" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versus going into actual low-level matplotlib code""" start="00:00:51.520" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do that graphing.""" start="00:00:54.880" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's something I don't want to do.""" start="00:00:56.240" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's an example.""" start="00:00:59.680" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a graph which is... 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md b/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..340c24f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sharing">Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs: Emacs education and why I embraced video</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/voice">Enhancing productivity with voice computing</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/mentor-after.md b/2023/info/mentor-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f51dfa88 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/mentor-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1792 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="mentor-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi everyone, my name is Jeremy Friesen, pronouns are he/him,""" start="00:00:01.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:06.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentoring VS Coders as an Emacs-ian.""" start="00:00:07.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A little bit of background, since 2015, I've mentored""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about 40 software developers,""" start="00:00:15.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""many of them in career-transitioning roles,""" start="00:00:16.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oftentimes from boot camps.""" start="00:00:19.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also managed a couple of small software development teams.""" start="00:00:21.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Framing approaches""" start="00:00:26.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So I want to think about mentoring and the framing approaches.""" start="00:00:26.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all don't know what we don't know.""" start="00:00:30.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So while mentoring, I like to be curious---asking questions,""" start="00:00:32.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to be visible,""" start="00:00:36.420" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I also like to pair so that we can share.""" start="00:00:37.660" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""What are you looking to learn?""" start="00:00:41.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""When I start, I like to ask the following type of question:""" start="00:00:41.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""What have you been wanting to learn more of,""" start="00:00:45.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get better at, and improve on?"""" start="00:00:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I like to ask further questions to get an understanding""" start="00:00:49.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of where they've been, where they're going,""" start="00:00:52.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what they'd like to achieve.""" start="00:00:55.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Later I'll ask coaching questions, "what's going well,"""" start="00:00:57.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""where are you getting stuck,"""" start="00:01:00.140" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "if you change one thing, what would it be?"""" start="00:01:01.420" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Make the work visible""" start="00:01:06.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So like many people, I shifted to remote work in 2020,""" start="00:01:06.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've noticed a higher collaboration in remote work,""" start="00:01:09.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when folks make their work visible.""" start="00:01:13.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to do that I host office hours,""" start="00:01:15.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I try to attend other people's office hours,""" start="00:01:18.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll open up a Slack huddle and just code by myself,""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let folks know, please hop in.""" start="00:01:23.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Hop in and be curious""" start="00:01:29.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I like to pay attention to other huddles that start.""" start="00:01:29.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If they're going still for, like, 45 minutes or so,""" start="00:01:32.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll hop in and say hello.""" start="00:01:35.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's even odds that they're moving along just fine""" start="00:01:36.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or that they're stuck.""" start="00:01:39.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So by hopping into the Slack huddle,""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm helping with a common problem.""" start="00:01:43.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you know when you're stuck?""" start="00:01:45.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something that---as a manager---folks want to know,""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how can I get unstuck faster?""" start="00:01:50.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a human, it can be frustrating to be stuck for a long time,""" start="00:01:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you also learn stuff""" start="00:01:57.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're dealing with the hard things.""" start="00:01:58.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you really need to balance that time,""" start="00:02:00.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I find hopping in, just being a gentle presence,""" start="00:02:03.220" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with yes... an agenda, but just to say hi,""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is crucial to help the team members move along.""" start="00:02:10.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Pairing is for sharing""" start="00:02:15.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Pairing is for sharing.""" start="00:02:15.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I pair, I like to let others drive.""" start="00:02:17.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're typing and working to resolve the problem.""" start="00:02:19.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm giving guidance, asking questions,""" start="00:02:22.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe thinking through a refactor.""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also spending time observing how they interact with their editor.""" start="00:02:27.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the moment, I try to limit advice to, like, one concept.""" start="00:02:31.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of folks don't know that `Control-a`""" start="00:02:35.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will take you to the beginning of line.""" start="00:02:37.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just sharing that is huge sometimes.""" start="00:02:39.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just gently do it and let it float there.""" start="00:02:42.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And assuming we have a regular mentoring session,""" start="00:02:46.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll make sure to ask how they're feeling""" start="00:02:48.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about using their tools afterwards.""" start="00:02:50.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would love to get to the point where they ask,""" start="00:02:52.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""You saw me using my editor, what is something""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could learn?"""" start="00:02:58.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm working on getting to that point.""" start="00:03:00.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Editor functions""" start="00:03:03.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""While pairing, I like to pay attention""" start="00:03:03.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to how folks handle the following.""" start="00:03:05.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where do they want to go?""" start="00:03:07.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do they get there?""" start="00:03:08.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here they are, now what?""" start="00:03:10.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do they summarize?""" start="00:03:12.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know what I can do in Emacs,""" start="00:03:13.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I assume that VS Code can do something similar.""" start="00:03:15.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a matter of helping the mentees find those packages and plugins.""" start="00:03:17.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Where do they want to go?""" start="00:03:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Where to go?""" start="00:03:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Search within a project.""" start="00:03:24.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everybody knows about this, but one thing""" start="00:03:25.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has been really critical for me""" start="00:03:28.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been the arrival of `Orderless`.""" start="00:03:29.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A little quick demonstration.""" start="00:03:31.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I look, and I have this "chicken" and I do "spell",""" start="00:03:34.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have found one, and they don't have""" start="00:03:40.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be in the right order.""" start="00:03:42.201" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I can go back, and "spell" is there.""" start="00:03:43.381" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Super easy, helpful, so I don't have to think about it, the order.""" start="00:03:48.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Search across projects.""" start="00:03:52.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cross-repository searching is super-simple in Emacs,""" start="00:03:54.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've never seen anyone do it in VS Code.""" start="00:03:59.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also trying to introduce folks to command-line tools""" start="00:04:02.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as RipGrep and SilverSearcher,""" start="00:04:05.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not just to look in the project, but to go one directory up""" start="00:04:07.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and look across projects""" start="00:04:10.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because sometimes when you're working on lots of different projects,""" start="00:04:12.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there might be solutions or ideas that come from there.""" start="00:04:15.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also notice that a lot of people use directory trees to navigate,""" start="00:04:19.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I favor the fuzzy text.""" start="00:04:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can do something like `Command-t`""" start="00:04:25.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and start looking for things in there.""" start="00:04:27.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just type the name of the file.""" start="00:04:31.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use `consult-projectile`,""" start="00:04:33.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has a lot of really cool functionality.""" start="00:04:35.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The big one being I can type `r`, recent file.""" start="00:04:39.540" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can type `p` and jump to a different project,""" start="00:04:43.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a quick navigation tool that I've not seen in VS Code.""" start="00:04:47.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""How do they get there?""" start="00:04:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Next up is how do they get there?""" start="00:04:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to use LSP for the languages,""" start="00:04:56.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I bound `M-.` to this""" start="00:04:58.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and jump back and forth to definitions.""" start="00:05:02.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just showed `projectile` or `consult-projectile`""" start="00:05:05.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its super-amazing multifunction finder.""" start="00:05:09.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it has transformed my approach to coding and typing.""" start="00:06:17.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Folks know about multi-cursor editing and editing-in-region""" start="00:06:21.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but make sure that they are aware of it.""" start="00:06:24.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's important.""" start="00:06:27.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next up is inline searching.""" start="00:06:29.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My beloved Textmate... it was the first thing.""" start="00:06:32.620" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, it was why I chose not to use Emacs in 2005""" start="00:06:35.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and went with Textmate.""" start="00:06:38.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something quite simple.""" start="00:06:41.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can do `search` within here, and I can see "introduced",""" start="00:06:43.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will show me the line.""" start="00:06:50.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I like about that is when I'm in code,""" start="00:06:52.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can see the neighborhood of other things""" start="00:06:54.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a good idea of what's around.""" start="00:06:56.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, there is `occur-mode` that can be super useful,""" start="00:06:58.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm used to the Textmate in 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video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I try to really quickly shift folks to use their text editor,""" start="00:07:19.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encourage them and""" start="00:07:23.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""teach them about `$GIT_EDITOR` and `$EDITOR` for the environment variables""" start="00:07:24.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they can make their commits from the command line.""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if not there, help them improve how they do VS Code.""" start="00:07:31.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My little screed at the top:""" start="00:07:34.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the interface for VS Code's commit is trash.""" start="00:07:35.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and find those high-value things.""" start="00:07:57.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jump to spec, jump to code... super-valuable""" start="00:07:59.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I see folks doing it a lot during the day,""" start="00:08:03.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it can really speed up the transition time""" start="00:08:06.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and keep the focus between the test...""" start="00:08:10.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you're trying to test and what you're trying to define,""" start="00:08:12.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can get lost if you do the tree navigation.""" start="00:08:15.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Practice within your knowledge domain""" start="00:08:18.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Also I encourage people to practice their domain knowledge.""" start="00:08:18.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I learned a lot about programming by doing a bunch of things""" start="00:08:22.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""related to RPGs---role-playing games.""" start="00:08:27.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did this previously in Ruby---dice rollers, note takers,""" start="00:08:30.020" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""random table lookups---and now I'm doing it in Emacs.""" start="00:08:33.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Knowing the domain helps me set aside the problem space""" start="00:08:35.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then explore how I code""" start="00:08:40.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how I can implement things differently.""" start="00:08:42.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Note-taking""" start="00:08:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Note-taking: pay attention to how folks create a fleeting note.""" start="00:08:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be excruciating as they try to figure out""" start="00:08:51.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""where am I going to put this?"""" start="00:08:54.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""What file?"""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Where does it go?"""" start="00:08:56.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, we have the *scratch* buffer or anything else,""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is going to also have problems.""" start="00:09:22.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Encourage folks to think about how they're owning their notes.""" start="00:09:25.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do they place true value on those,""" start="00:09:28.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or are they things that are kind of ephemeral?""" start="00:09:30.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then help them find the thing that makes sense for them.""" start="00:09:33.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Help show the joy of holisting computering""" start="00:09:38.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Put another way, I want people to think holistically""" start="00:09:38.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about their generalized "computering" environment.""" start="00:09:43.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Playing is for staying""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And I also think about the reason why""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've stayed a software developer for 25-years plus""" start="00:09:50.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is because I approach all of this as play and storytelling.""" start="00:09:53.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes happy byproduct is that I ship features and documentation""" start="00:09:58.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and help people get stuff done.""" start="00:10:02.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yet I don't tell folks to use Emacs.""" start="00:10:05.200" 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video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another goal is showing the malleability of Emacs,""" start="00:10:27.700" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how easy it is to extend.""" start="00:10:31.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And obviously there's so much more than what I've highlighted,""" start="00:10:34.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then again, that's Emacs.""" start="00:10:36.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.""" start="00:10:38.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: hannah + +<a name="mentor-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 2 seconds. And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:09.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Jeremy, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:10.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. I'm doing all right.""" start="00:00:11.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How about you?""" start="00:00:12.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm doing great as well.""" start="00:00:14.759" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really happy to see all the talk that""" start="00:00:16.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're having. And I was particularly excited""" start="00:00:18.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I got your proposal for this talk""" start="00:00:21.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because mentoring, as I was telling you""" start="00:00:24.080" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during the check-in process,""" start="00:00:25.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a subject dear to my heart.""" start="00:00:27.360" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm really excited,""" start="00:00:28.700" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not only for the talk that you've just done,""" start="00:00:30.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for the question that people are""" start="00:00:32.200" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to ask you.""" start="00:00:32.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to answering some""" start="00:00:35.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. Mentoring is also something near""" start="00:00:39.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and dear. Something I did not mention is when""" start="00:00:43.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folks would ask me, like,""" start="00:00:45.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what was your most important class?""" start="00:00:47.000" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I said, oh, easy, easy,""" start="00:00:48.920" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy, high school English.""" start="00:00:50.180" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, it's my whatever your primary written""" start="00:00:54.160" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and spoken languages I think is the most""" start="00:00:56.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""useful skill as a programmer""" start="00:00:58.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: right so as usual people if you want to ask""" start="00:01:05.379" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions to Jeremy, feel free to find the""" start="00:01:09.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""link to the other pad either on the talk page""" start="00:01:11.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or on IRC. We're also going to open the chat""" start="00:01:15.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that people can join us and ask questions.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just make sure that I tell Sasha can""" start="00:01:20.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you open ID Mentor. All right so in the""" start="00:01:25.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meantime what we'll do is that I'll be""" start="00:01:27.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reading questions of the pad and Jeremy will""" start="00:01:29.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be answering them whilst we wait for you to""" start="00:01:31.400" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""join. Now just to be clear with the time,""" start="00:01:32.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have a little bit of time now,""" start="00:01:34.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little more time than before.""" start="00:01:36.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have 22 minutes, so until 10 of the next""" start="00:01:39.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hours to answer as many questions as""" start="00:01:41.260" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible. And believe me,""" start="00:01:42.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you people watching right now are not""" start="00:01:45.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asking questions, I will be asking plenty of""" start="00:01:47.280" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them. 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Regarding super key,""" start="00:02:03.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which key do you bind to super?""" start="00:02:05.980" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so my left command,""" start="00:02:09.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is on a Mac keyboard,""" start="00:02:12.180" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the key right to the left of the space bar""" start="00:02:16.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is super. 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Plasma Strike,""" start="01:13:31.680" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you for your presentation.""" start="01:13:32.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love this conference.""" start="01:13:34.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you very much.""" start="01:13:36.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now have a good rest of your Sunday.""" start="01:13:41.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye.""" start="01:13:43.100" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/multi-nav.md b/2023/info/multi-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0441b432 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/multi-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/uni">Authoring and presenting university courses with Emacs and a full libre software stack</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hn">The many ways to browse Hacker News from Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track gen">gen</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/nabokov-after.md b/2023/info/nabokov-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0e1ccfe4 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/nabokov-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,512 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="nabokov-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, fellow Emacs enthusiasts.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Edmund Jorgensen.""" start="00:00:05.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a software engineer by day,""" start="00:00:06.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but by night I love to write novels,""" start="00:00:08.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I lean on Emacs heavily""" start="00:00:10.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for both of these activities.""" start="00:00:11.774" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I would like to talk to you about how Emacs,""" start="00:00:13.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specifically with Org mode,""" start="00:00:15.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has helped me manage some of the practical""" start="00:00:17.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""difficulties of writing long-form prose,""" start="00:00:18.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""novels in my case,""" start="00:00:20.940" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd like to get at this by talking about how""" start="00:00:22.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another, much more famous novelist managed""" start="00:00:24.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of those same difficulties in a way""" start="00:00:26.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that makes me suspect he might well use Emacs""" start="00:00:28.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Org mode himself""" start="00:00:30.874" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if he were still alive and writing today.""" start="00:00:31.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk will probably be""" start="00:00:34.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the most interest to listeners""" start="00:00:35.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who either already write long-form prose in Emacs""" start="00:00:36.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or are considering doing so,""" start="00:00:39.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think that anyone""" start="00:00:40.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with an interest in literature or Emacs""" start="00:00:42.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will find something to take away.""" start="00:00:44.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Nabokov's process of writing novels""" start="00:00:45.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's get to it.""" start="00:00:45.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a picture of a man lying on a bed,""" start="00:00:51.120" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing something on an index card.""" start="00:00:53.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we didn't know any better,""" start="00:00:56.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might think that he was just jotting down""" start="00:00:57.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a recipe for beef stew or something like that.""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in fact, this is not just any old man.""" start="00:01:01.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is Vladimir Nabokov, one of the most""" start="00:01:03.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""celebrated novelists of the 20th century,""" start="00:01:06.174" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he's not jotting down""" start="00:01:08.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a recipe for beef stew in this picture.""" start="00:01:09.280" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's actually hard at work here,""" start="00:01:11.480" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""composing a classic of English literature""" start="00:01:12.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on an index card.""" start="00:01:15.007" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how he wrote all his novels, in fact,""" start="00:01:16.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on index cards.""" start="00:01:18.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't mean that he just took notes on these cards""" start="00:01:20.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or wrote outlines on them.""" start="00:01:22.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He did both of those things as well,""" start="00:01:24.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but he also wrote the actual prose of his novels,""" start="00:01:25.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""word by word, sentence by sentence, on index cards.""" start="00:01:28.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see what that looked like at scale.""" start="00:01:32.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This box you see here,""" start="00:01:37.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""full of groups of bundled cards,""" start="00:01:39.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what a novel in progress looked like for Nabokov.""" start="00:01:41.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you squint, you can see that these cards""" start="00:01:43.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were from the composition of Lolita,""" start="00:01:46.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably his most famous novel.""" start="00:01:47.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So why did he write novels on index cards?""" start="00:01:50.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not necessarily an obvious choice.""" start="00:01:53.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, sadly, Emacs wasn't available to him at the time,""" start="00:01:56.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but most writers in his day,""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they weren't using typewriters,""" start="00:02:01.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which were available,""" start="00:02:02.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were using notebooks or loose-leaf sheets""" start="00:02:03.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:02:06.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not these tiny little index cards.""" start="00:02:07.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Nabokov loved index cards.""" start="00:02:09.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He swore by them because they represented""" start="00:02:11.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an elegant solution""" start="00:02:14.360" 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video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But writing any novel at all,""" start="00:02:31.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether it's good or bad,""" start="00:02:33.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is brutally, practically difficult.""" start="00:02:35.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're hacking something like 100,000 words""" start="00:02:37.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into unified shape over a long period of time,""" start="00:02:39.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""months or years.""" start="00:02:42.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are organizational challenges""" start="00:02:43.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inherent in that process,""" start="00:02:45.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and each writer needs practical techniques""" start="00:02:46.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to manage those challenges.""" start="00:02:48.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The most basic challenge, of course, is that,""" start="00:02:51.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unless you're trying to bring back""" start="00:02:53.400" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Homeric Bard tradition""" start="00:02:55.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of reciting books from memory in firelit halls,""" start="00:02:57.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to actually set down""" start="00:02:59.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those 100,000 words on some medium.""" start="00:03:01.200" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Nabokov's case, index cards worked fine for this.""" start="00:03:03.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A little cramped, maybe, but workable.""" start="00:03:05.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Secondly, as you're writing,""" start="00:03:08.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're bound to think of little but important things""" start="00:03:09.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the story that you want to record.""" start="00:03:11.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not talking here about big thematic notes""" start="00:03:13.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or research that can go in a separate document,""" start="00:03:16.207" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but smaller, more contextual notes""" start="00:03:19.040" 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to this whirlwind exploration""" start="00:08:44.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of some of the practical challenges of writing""" start="00:08:49.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""novels and other long-form prose,""" start="00:08:51.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how Org mode can help tackle them.""" start="00:08:53.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Takeaways and next steps""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I'd like to leave you with a couple takeaways""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and next steps for those who are interested.""" start="00:08:57.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, if you're writing a novel""" start="00:08:59.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how Emacs and Org mode saved it from imploding.""" start="00:09:34.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll put a link here below. [ewj.io/emacs]""" start="00:09:37.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for listening, and Emacs on!""" start="00:09:44.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +<a name="nabokov-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: About 3""" start="00:00:03.560" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seconds. 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If you have any""" start="00:08:01.100" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions feel free to unmute yourself and""" start="00:08:03.340" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask them. Otherwise, we might go on a break.""" start="00:08:06.560" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to give you about 10 seconds to""" start="00:08:08.360" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unmute yourself. Or if you just want to add""" start="00:08:14.480" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more questions on the pad,""" start="00:08:15.660" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's also fine. And that'll give you about""" start="00:08:17.680" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""30 seconds. Otherwise,""" start="00:08:19.540" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll need to go on a break.""" start="00:08:20.660" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in the meantime, I'll thank you,""" start="00:08:24.020" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Edmund, for your presentation,""" start="00:08:25.600" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's always nice,""" start="00:08:27.880" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, we The reason why we have 2 tracks,""" start="00:08:31.400" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we've been having 2 tracks for the last 2""" start="00:08:34.200" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or 3 editions of EmacsConf is because it's""" start="00:08:36.039" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really nice to have those talks which are""" start="00:08:38.799" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still related to Emacs and to far distance""" start="00:08:43.500" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developments because we are obviously using""" start="00:08:45.440" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages. But it's really nice to see when we""" start="00:08:48.160" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""foray into other areas like writing or any""" start="00:08:51.960" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of academia-based topics.""" start="00:08:53.400" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you, it's really nice.""" start="00:08:55.440" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It brings different colors to the spectrum of""" start="00:09:01.500" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what EmacsConf is and what ultimately Emacs""" start="00:09:03.580" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is as well. Thank you.""" start="00:09:04.680" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well thanks to everyone who tuned in and Leo""" start="00:09:06.960" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks to you and all the other organizers""" start="00:09:08.160" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for putting this together.""" start="00:09:09.060" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate it.""" start="00:09:09.720" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you. All right I think we're going to""" start="00:09:12.720" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go on a little break for 5 minutes because I""" start="00:09:14.380" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't see other questions being asked.""" start="00:09:16.060" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So everyone we'll see you again in 5 minutes""" start="00:09:18.900" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thank you again, Edmund.""" start="00:09:19.900" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cheers.""" start="00:09:20.720" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ewj@inkwellandoften.com](mailto:ewj@inkwellandoften.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20nabokov%3A%20Why%20Nabokov%20would%20use%20Org-Mode%20if%20he%20were%20writing%20today) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/nabokov-before.md b/2023/info/nabokov-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e9aa2951 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/nabokov-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 10-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="nabokov-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md b/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f7ef3f32 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/writing">Emacs turbo-charges my writing</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/collab">Collaborative data processing and documenting using org-babel</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/one-after.md b/2023/info/one-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e7b63c57 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/one-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,904 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="one-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, everybody. Welcome to the EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you're doing well and you're having fun.""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Tony Aldon, and in this talk,""" start="00:00:06.400" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are going to see how to build a static website""" start="00:00:08.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the package one.el that I wrote.""" start="00:00:11.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But before we start, I'd like to thank""" start="00:00:14.520" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people who organized that conference,""" start="00:00:17.600" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thank you all for the great work.""" start="00:00:20.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Documentation""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now let's jump into the documentation of one.el,""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is built with one.el. In the install page,""" start="00:00:27.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can see that we have a sidebar""" start="00:00:31.680" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all of the pages in the documentation,""" start="00:00:33.080" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some buttons to switch between pages,""" start="00:00:35.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we also have a table of contents""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some of the pages if we need it.""" start="00:00:41.960" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's jump into one.el repository""" start="00:00:45.120" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see why I like how it is implemented,""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the website that we've seen,""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the documentation, is just one file.""" start="00:00:53.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is that file, with the headline of level 1""" start="00:00:55.960" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being the web pages.""" start="00:01:00.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There needs to be a web page to have the property,""" start="00:01:03.280" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Org property `:ONE:`, set to a render function.""" start="00:01:06.080" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are going to see how they work after.""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the `:CUSTOM_ID:`, the value of the `:CUSTOM_ID:`,""" start="00:01:11.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the path of the page. So really,""" start="00:01:14.640" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the website that we have on the left""" start="00:01:17.520" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is this file. 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We go in the one.org file,""" start="00:13:00.880" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we build again, and now we see that we have an h1.""" start="00:13:06.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, this is interesting, but if we would have to""" start="00:13:10.400" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""build this function with a string like that,""" start="00:13:14.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is boring and not the best way.""" start="00:13:18.120" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can use the library Jack,""" start="00:13:22.320" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which offers function `jack-html`""" start="00:13:24.640" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that takes some data structure,""" start="00:13:27.589" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for instance, an h1, a nested list""" start="00:13:31.581" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that represents the HTML that we want to render,""" start="00:13:34.180" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and transform it into an HTML string.""" start="00:13:38.480" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have that, we saved,""" start="00:13:41.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we rebuild in the one.org file with `one-build`,""" start="00:13:43.960" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we see now that this has been built using `jack-html`.""" start="00:13:48.280" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now what do we want to do?""" start="00:13:55.400" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, see, the thing that we want to do""" start="00:13:59.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to understand page-tree. 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So, this is another,""" start="00:25:58.620" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not the concern of 1.L""" start="00:26:01.360" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to answer. I'm not using org.publish.""" start="00:26:04.860" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool, great. Well, thank you.""" start="00:26:08.960" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the question was also about other""" start="00:26:10.900" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things, but I think If the person wants a""" start="00:26:13.000" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more clear answer to their question,""" start="00:26:16.500" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to clarify the question and Tony""" start="00:26:18.820" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be able to answer it later on.""" start="00:26:21.260" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright Tony, I think that's all the""" start="00:26:22.960" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions we had. 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Please send me those things.""" start="00:26:47.720" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, everybody.""" start="00:26:49.840" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Splendid, thank you. And before,""" start="00:26:51.940" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so right now we're gonna go on a lunch break.""" start="00:26:54.280" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll be back in about 40 minutes for the""" start="00:26:56.140" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk called Emacs Turbocharges My Writing.""" start="00:26:58.660" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will not tell you more.""" start="00:27:01.300" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can look at the talk page to see a little""" start="00:27:02.540" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit of a synopsis but otherwise keep the""" start="00:27:04.280" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""surprise. So have a good lunch or have a good""" start="00:27:06.340" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dinner if you are in dinner-friendly times""" start="00:27:08.900" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will see you afterwards.""" start="00:27:11.880" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again, Tony.""" start="00:27:13.180" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: See you.""" start="00:27:14.860" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Let me just close everything.""" start="00:27:17.960" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, got it. OK,""" start="00:27:29.080" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thank you so much, Tony.""" start="00:27:30.480" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just had to clear everything up on the""" start="00:27:31.400" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream. I'm going to need to...""" start="00:27:33.520" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. I'm going to stop.""" start="00:27:36.160" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/one-nav.md b/2023/info/one-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fe3eb334 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/one-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/table">Who needs Excel? Managing your students qualifications with org-table</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/writing">Emacs turbo-charges my writing</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/overlay-after.md b/2023/info/overlay-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7db881e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/overlay-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,731 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="overlay-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Jeff Trull, and today I'm going to talk to you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about improving C++ compiler diagnostics""" start="00:00:04.898" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using overlays and other features from Emacs.""" start="00:00:08.460" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First an overview of my talk.""" start="00:00:13.600" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to cover what overlays are""" start="00:00:15.840" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how you can use them in code,""" start="00:00:17.657" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm going to talk about C++""" start="00:00:19.326" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and why its compiler errors can be so onerous.""" start="00:00:21.479" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, we'll take that information""" start="00:00:24.480" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and build a new minor mode""" start="00:00:26.751" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using overlays and other Emacs features.""" start="00:00:28.448" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Overlays and what they can do""" start="00:00:33.560" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""First of all, overlays.""" start="00:00:33.560" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What are they?""" start="00:00:35.520" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are objects consisting of a buffer range""" start="00:00:36.680" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a set of properties.""" start="00:00:39.125" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that they cover a region in a buffer.""" start="00:00:40.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The properties can be a certain set""" start="00:00:43.120" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of special property names,""" start="00:00:45.534" video="mainVideo-overlay" 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That's 1 of the features""" start="00:07:32.680" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you get, which has been around for literally""" start="00:07:36.160" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""decades. Oh, yeah. Is it already there?""" start="00:07:41.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, it's already there.""" start="00:07:42.240" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Do we have anything on IRC?""" start="00:07:45.960" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see. OK, looks like it seems like""" start="00:07:56.680" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we've run out of questions.""" start="00:07:58.000" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that true?""" start="00:07:58.860" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, it seems so. It seems so,""" start="00:08:04.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although we still have a couple more minutes,""" start="00:08:06.820" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like maybe 3, 4 minutes on the stream.""" start="00:08:09.000" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah. And then, of course,""" start="00:08:13.780" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once the stream does move on to the next""" start="00:08:15.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. Folks are welcome to join Jeff here on""" start="00:08:19.120" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BigBlueButton. If Jeff still has a few more""" start="00:08:22.340" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes to just chat here or ask questions""" start="00:08:24.640" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here, that works as well.""" start="00:08:25.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: JEFF CROSSMAN-WILSONEY-PORTMAN Yeah,""" start="00:08:26.920" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if anyone's excited about the tool.""" start="00:08:29.640" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are the notes are available online,""" start="00:08:38.460" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? I uploaded an org file that was my""" start="00:08:42.100" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk, and I actually included some""" start="00:08:43.700" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""references. Like at the end,""" start="00:08:48.900" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's some links and stuff like that.""" start="00:08:50.860" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever you see like a underlined thing in""" start="00:08:54.620" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my presentation, it's like I was kind of""" start="00:08:56.840" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thinking people would have access to the""" start="00:08:58.520" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual presentation itself so they could go""" start="00:09:00.920" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see what it was I was linking to some PDF""" start="00:09:04.640" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somewhere. How annoying is this for multiple""" start="00:09:07.540" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilers? It's annoying,""" start="00:09:09.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ben. I basically have separate parsers for""" start="00:09:15.620" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clang and GCC, and I'm not supporting MSVC at""" start="00:09:18.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the moment. So yeah, that's where I do worry""" start="00:09:23.540" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about its fragility, about the way I'm kind""" start="00:09:26.520" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of parsing these error messages,""" start="00:09:27.720" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are idiosyncratic.""" start="00:09:29.340" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, great. Thank you,""" start="00:09:38.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Amin. That's good. Should just follow that""" start="00:09:49.060" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""link, I guess.""" start="00:09:49.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well, yeah, it's so that you have to scroll""" start="00:09:56.420" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down a little bit underneath the video""" start="00:09:59.020" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""embedding itself. There's timestamps.""" start="00:10:00.460" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then below the timestamps,""" start="00:10:01.880" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see a bunch of links,""" start="00:10:03.240" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including 1 that says download.org.""" start="00:10:06.140" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, let's see what that is.""" start="00:10:09.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that the right 1? Yeah,""" start="00:10:13.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's it. That's the 1.""" start="00:10:14.780" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can also see all of my hacks to Org""" start="00:10:19.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Present are in there as well.""" start="00:10:20.740" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I followed the System Crafters thing and made""" start="00:10:25.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bunch of my own modifications.""" start="00:10:27.160" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Present has this problem where every""" start="00:10:33.120" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""heading is a slide, which I don't like.""" start="00:10:35.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I kind of want hierarchy.""" start="00:10:37.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know? Oh, no. Sorry.""" start="00:10:41.040" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every level 1 heading is a slide.""" start="00:10:43.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I kind of want hierarchy among the""" start="00:10:46.360" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slides. And I had to sort of invent it in""" start="00:10:51.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that system myself through navigation.""" start="00:10:54.320" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks like things have quieted down.""" start="00:11:03.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shall we call it?""" start="00:11:09.520" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, sure. So yeah, thanks again for the""" start="00:11:14.020" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great talk, Jeff. And also to the audience""" start="00:11:17.780" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for questions and discussions.""" start="00:11:18.960" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People are welcome to stay here on BBB if""" start="00:11:21.720" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jeff has time to continue the discussions and""" start="00:11:24.060" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask any questions they might have.""" start="00:11:25.320" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, yeah, we can wrap it.""" start="00:11:26.820" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure. Thank you so much.""" start="00:11:29.200" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I love this conference.""" start="00:11:30.400" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been a happy attendee since like 2015 or""" start="00:11:33.900" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something. So yeah, it's great.""" start="00:11:36.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your work.""" start="00:11:37.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you. Cheers. I mean,""" start="00:11:41.040" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in large part, thanks to awesome people like""" start="00:11:43.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you who give these amazing talks.""" start="00:11:44.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Thank you as well.""" start="00:11:45.420" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You are currently the only person in this""" start="00:14:30.260" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference.""" start="00:14:30.460" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You""" start="00:21:15.260" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1""" start="00:21:37.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 1 3 4 1 2 4 1 1 3 4 1 1 2""" start="00:22:23.260" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""3 3 4 1 2 1""" start="00:22:28.100" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You""" start="00:24:41.445" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20overlay%3A%20Improving%20compiler%20diagnostics%20with%20overlays) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/overlay-before.md b/2023/info/overlay-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..03bcd74e --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/overlay-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 21-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="overlay-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/overlay-nav.md b/2023/info/overlay-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ba04cc37 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/overlay-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/llm">LLM clients in Emacs, functionality and standardization</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eval">Editor Integrated REPL Driven Development for all languages</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/parallel-after.md b/2023/info/parallel-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2f390ff8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/parallel-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,631 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="parallel-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi everyone!""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Welcome to our talk on Parallel Text Replacement.""" start="00:00:01.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Lovro, and I'll be telling you about an""" start="00:00:04.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting problem that my friend Valentino and I""" start="00:00:07.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set out to solve one afternoon.""" start="00:00:09.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will describe the problem, take a look at some""" start="00:00:11.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the existing work and then present our solution.""" start="00:00:13.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Afterwards, we will show some demos and conclude""" start="00:00:16.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a quick overview of the implementation.""" start="00:00:19.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's get straight into it!""" start="00:00:21.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Goal""" start="00:00:23.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Here is a problem that most of us have dealt with""" start="00:00:23.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at some point.""" start="00:00:25.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assume we have a piece of code such as the following.""" start="00:00:27.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use a code example here, but in general what we're""" start="00:00:29.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about to discuss can be applied to any piece of text.""" start="00:00:32.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After a bit of thinking, we decide that the names of""" start="00:00:35.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the two variables, "foo" and "bar", should actually be""" start="00:00:37.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swapped.""" start="00:00:39.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, "foo" should be replaced with "bar", and "bar"""" start="00:00:40.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be replaced with "foo".""" start="00:00:43.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question is: what is a good way to achieve this?""" start="00:00:45.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We could perform the edits manually if the code is""" start="00:00:49.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""We should object to doing things that the computer""" start="00:01:08.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can do for us.""" start="00:01:10.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Naive Multi-pass""" start="00:01:12.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So, one way to automate it is by using our old friend""" start="00:01:12.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query-replace (M-%) multiple times in a sequence.""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We first do a pass where we replace "foo" with "bar",""" start="00:01:19.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we do another pass where we replace "bar" with "foo".""" start="00:01:22.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that's clearly not right.""" 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supported by a general parallel replacement utility.""" start="00:02:21.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To avoid confusion, let us clarify that the word "parallel"""" start="00:02:25.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not in reference to hardware parallelization, but""" start="00:02:28.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather comes from analogy with the Lisp let operator,""" start="00:02:31.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the bindings of variables are performed in parallel,""" start="00:02:34.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than sequentially as in let*.""" start="00:02:38.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Parallel in this context means that none of the bindings""" start="00:02:40.200" 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id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""However, manually invoking multiple carefully chosen""" start="00:03:04.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query-replace commands gets old very quickly.""" start="00:03:08.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say we scaled up the problem and wanted to perform n""" start="00:03:11.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swaps instead of just two, e.g. to swap, or rather,""" start="00:03:14.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rotate, "foo" to "bar", "bar" to "baz", "baz" to "quux"""" start="00:03:18.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "quux" to "foo".""" start="00:03:22.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We would first have to perform n - 1 additional""" start="00:03:23.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacements to 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not interfere with any of the replacement pairs,""" start="00:03:47.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and two, might slow down the search if they're overly long.""" start="00:03:50.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can we do better?""" start="00:03:53.480" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Solution: Single-pass""" start="00:03:55.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Yes we can!""" start="00:03:55.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can actually perform just a single pass.""" start="00:03:56.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The trick is to alternate between the replacement""" start="00:03:59.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pairs, replacing whichever source occurs the 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are few that we could find.""" start="00:04:23.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The EmacsWiki has a page dedicated to this problem.""" start="00:04:25.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stack Overflow has an old post where a couple of""" start="00:04:28.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""users provided their solutions.""" start="00:04:31.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mastering Emacs also gives a method along with other""" start="00:04:33.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting query-replace-regexp (C-M-%) patterns.""" start="00:04:36.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More recently, Tony Zorman made a blogpost providing""" start="00:04:39.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a specially crafted replacement.""" start="00:05:46.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As an example, here's how you would use this technique""" start="00:05:48.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to perform a 3-element parallel regex replacement.""" start="00:05:51.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses the backslash-comma Lisp expression feature""" start="00:05:54.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to choose the appropriate target to substitute.""" start="00:05:57.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aside from being very clumsy and tedious to write out,""" start="00:06:01.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this approach makes it really hard to use more complex""" start="00:06:03.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] 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+[[!template text="""and "bar" with "foo".""" start="00:07:21.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After inputting our replacements, we terminate the""" start="00:07:24.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prompt by pressing enter with empty input.""" start="00:07:27.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At this point, everything functions the same as in""" start="00:07:29.860" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a standard query-replace invocation.""" start="00:07:32.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The echo area shows the match and the replacement""" start="00:07:35.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're about to make.""" start="00:07:37.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can perform replacements,""" start="00:07:38.703" video="mainVideo-parallel" 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+[[!template text="""There we go, the fixes are done and we didn't have""" start="00:08:42.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to think about in which order to apply them.""" start="00:08:44.480" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demonstration: Regex""" start="00:08:48.700" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""We now take a look at a more complicated regex""" start="00:08:48.700" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""example to demonstrate that even advanced query-replace""" start="00:08:51.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""features are supported.""" start="00:08:53.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each "foo" and "bar" in this example is followed by""" start="00:08:55.100" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a number.""" start="00:08:57.440" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We confirm the renames and now enter the "bar-lib"""" start="00:11:36.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory in order to perform the same kind of""" start="00:11:39.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacement on "baz" and "quux".""" start="00:11:42.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rather than save time, we decide to be extra lazy""" start="00:11:44.500" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and take the long route.""" start="00:11:47.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We recall the first pair and initiate a recursive""" start="00:11:48.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""invocation of query-replace-parallel-regexp.""" start="00:11:52.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are now replacing the replacement.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Essentially, a complex parallel replacement like this""" start="00:12:50.480" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is transformed into a standard replacement like this.""" start="00:12:54.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is similar to the trick shown earlier in the""" start="00:12:57.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation.""" start="00:13:00.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each source is put in its own capture group to allow""" start="00:13:00.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the replacement function to determine which one matched""" start="00:13:03.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and return the appropriate target.""" start="00:13:06.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, we now take care to 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""viewpoint of the original regex.""" start="00:13:30.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The regex transformation is reliable because it""" start="00:13:32.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uses the rx library, allowing us to treat regexes""" start="00:13:35.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as s-expressions and avoid any nasty manual parsing.""" start="00:13:38.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, rx itself is based on one of Olin Shivers'""" start="00:13:42.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""100% solutions:""" start="00:13:46.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SRE, or the S-expression regex notation.""" start="00:13:48.436" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all stand on the 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hi, Lovro. How are you doing?""" start="00:00:10.940" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Just a second. Should I join the other room?""" start="00:00:15.339" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh, no, no, you can stay here.""" start="00:00:18.460" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I can stay in the backstage.""" start="00:00:20.860" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Everything is fine. I don't think you are""" start="00:00:24.140" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""technically in the backstage right now you're""" start="00:00:25.520" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in Big Blue Button with us.""" start="00:00:26.750" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh thanks. 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Yeah,""" start="00:00:43.660" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm doing great, just to answer your""" start="00:00:45.280" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question.""" start="00:00:45.480" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, great, great, Okay,""" start="00:00:47.379" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well splendid. So, I've pasted a link again""" start="00:00:49.900" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on IRC if you want to ask your questions,""" start="00:00:51.520" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd invite you to do so,""" start="00:00:53.000" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we have about 9 minutes of laborious""" start="00:00:54.620" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time to answer as many of them as possible.""" start="00:00:56.580" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to start with the first 1.""" start="00:00:58.360" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This looks great and was very well-presented.""" start="00:01:01.100" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have plans to upstream this""" start="00:01:03.240" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality into Emacs?""" start="00:01:04.239" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: That's a good idea. That's something we""" start="00:01:08.000" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thought about as well.""" start="00:01:08.860" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, we haven't really contacted anyone""" start="00:01:11.640" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do this. Also, the current implementation,""" start="00:01:16.160" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so as I mentioned in the presentation towards""" start="00:01:19.760" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the end, so we use a little bit of advice to""" start="00:01:22.120" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sort of patch some functionality of query""" start="00:01:24.240" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replace because not everything was easy to""" start="00:01:26.479" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implement. 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That's a lovely 1.""" start="00:09:09.920" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think, again, we're going back to the""" start="00:09:12.260" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""philosophy of Emacs. Everything is""" start="00:09:13.660" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programmable and even changing the message""" start="00:09:15.200" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""function is great. All right,""" start="00:09:16.640" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, thank you so much,""" start="00:09:17.440" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lovro, and thanks to Valentino as well,""" start="00:09:19.540" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's not here, but who's contributed to this""" start="00:09:21.820" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. Any last word?""" start="00:09:23.900" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, just if you're gonna build any""" start="00:09:29.540" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""solutions, try to make them as foolproof and""" start="00:09:31.980" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as 100% as possible so we get more of these""" start="00:09:34.360" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""goodies that are nice and robust for""" start="00:09:36.280" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everybody to use.""" start="00:09:37.000" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, lovely. Well,""" start="00:09:39.400" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much, Lover,""" start="00:09:40.240" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your presentation and your answer.""" start="00:09:41.940" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll be moving on to the next talk in just""" start="00:09:44.340" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about 5 seconds, and I'll see you after.""" start="00:09:47.260" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye, Lovro!""" start="00:09:47.900" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yep, bye bye!""" start="00:09:49.760" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So I'm just waiting to make sure my VNC is a""" start="00:10:01.440" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little slow. Okay, we switch to the next""" start="00:10:02.840" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. All right, Lover,""" start="00:10:03.480" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna need to go get ready now.""" start="00:10:04.960" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep. Bye-bye, and thanks for your talk.""" start="00:10:09.060" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Bye, thank you, see you.""" start="00:10:11.160" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You""" start="00:10:15.060" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hokomo@disroot.org](mailto:hokomo@disroot.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20parallel%3A%20Parallel%20text%20replacement) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/parallel-before.md b/2023/info/parallel-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..54bb132d --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/parallel-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 15-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="parallel-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/parallel-nav.md b/2023/info/parallel-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5d255eff --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/parallel-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/koutline">Using Koutline for stream of thought journaling</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eat">Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/poltys-after.md b/2023/info/poltys-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7adf9ca7 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/poltys-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [perma-curious@posteo.de](mailto:perma-curious@posteo.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20poltys%3A%20The%20browser%20in%20a%20buffer) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/poltys-before.md b/2023/info/poltys-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b5eb7ada --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/poltys-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 35-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="poltys-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--main.webm" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 34:30 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--main.opus">Download --main.opus (20MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--main.webm">Download --main.webm (185MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/1quXfJqC9bh9VxkA9UC21x">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/poltys-nav.md b/2023/info/poltys-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..dd2be68d --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/poltys-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eat">Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/cubing">Speedcubing in Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/ref-after.md b/2023/info/ref-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9af1f6ff --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/ref-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,298 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="ref-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, this is Christopher Howard,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and welcome to my talk,""" start="00:00:04.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Informal Reference Tracking."""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a workflow talk,""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I need to explain a little bit about""" start="00:00:10.574" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what my needs were.""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am not a professional scholar or academic,""" start="00:00:14.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are a number of subjects""" start="00:00:18.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm interested in,""" start="00:00:20.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I occasionally like to write""" start="00:00:21.607" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gemlog posts about them.""" start="00:00:23.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I needed some way to keep track of references.""" start="00:00:25.600" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""References to webpage articles, references to books,""" start="00:00:28.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pages in books, and notes about them.""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something that was searchable,""" start="00:00:37.280" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also something that was quick and easy to use,""" start="00:00:39.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and something that I could set up quickly.""" start="00:00:42.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the approach I took, it only took me""" start="00:00:45.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about an hour or two to figure out""" start="00:00:47.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to put it together.""" start="00:00:49.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do want to emphasize""" start="00:00:52.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there are better ways to do this.""" start="00:00:53.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not recommending you use my code""" start="00:00:56.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or follow my exact approach.""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In particular, what I'm doing was meant to be done""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Org's built-in capture""" start="00:01:05.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and templates functionality,""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's something that's more flexible,""" start="00:01:11.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programmable, and there's also a lot of add-ins""" start="00:01:14.907" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be tied into that.""" start="00:01:21.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, tools that allow you to search for,""" start="00:01:23.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, feed in a URL, and it automatically""" start="00:01:31.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pulls all the reference data for you.""" start="00:01:34.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's tools out there""" start="00:01:38.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are really meant for scientific writing,""" start="00:01:39.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you do this professionally,""" start="00:01:43.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you may need to keep track of dozens of details""" start="00:01:46.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for each reference""" start="00:01:49.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have some fancy system to generate that""" start="00:01:51.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your, or output that into your paper.""" start="00:01:55.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are better systems,""" start="00:02:00.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is what worked for me and what was easy.""" start="00:02:02.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Tip about completion frameworks""" start="00:02:06.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I do want to emphasize that if you haven't,""" start="00:02:06.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you really want to learn how to use helm-mode""" start="00:02:11.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""H-E-L-M, or one of the similar systems in Emacs""" start="00:02:14.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that does fuzzy search on Emacs commands.""" start="00:02:20.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, in Helm here,""" start="00:02:26.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I input one keychord, and then I just have to remember""" start="00:02:29.340" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a few characters of some command,""" start="00:02:39.007" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they don't 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's one entry per reference.""" start="00:03:30.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fundamentally, that's all it is.""" start="00:03:35.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'll go over the parts.""" start="00:03:37.207" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see there's the title for the entry,""" start="00:03:39.207" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's not necessarily""" start="00:03:43.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the title of the book or the article,""" start="00:03:44.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's my perspective on it,""" start="00:03:47.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's what I want to remember about it,""" start="00:03:50.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what I'll be 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start="00:04:24.074" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I automatically add in here the date""" start="00:04:27.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the entry was created,""" start="00:04:30.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can be useful to me if things""" start="00:04:31.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got sorted in a different order at some point,""" start="00:04:35.700" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could still look through""" start="00:04:38.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most recent entries that I had made""" start="00:04:39.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I wanted to do that for some reason.""" start="00:04:42.507" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And sometimes I add in this publication year field""" start="00:04:45.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the idea that one day I might want to do""" start="00:04:48.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a search for entries based on the publication year""" start="00:04:52.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the book or the article,""" start="00:04:55.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, only to use recent references""" start="00:04:57.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:05:00.774" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then down here below the properties""" start="00:05:03.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is where I paste in the URL to the webpage, or""" start="00:05:05.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""type in the title and author of the book""" start="00:05:10.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the pages, maybe the pages that were relevant,""" start="00:05:13.007" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the pages of the periodical, or something like that.""" start="00:05:16.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I could put anything that I want down here,""" start="00:05:21.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some other notes about what's important""" start="00:05:23.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about this article to me.""" start="00:05:25.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So fundamentally, that's all it is.""" start="00:05:29.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I've added in a bit of convenience code""" start="00:05:32.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make this go a lot faster""" start="00:05:35.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than typing all this out.""" start="00:05:37.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""The Emacs Lisp code""" start="00:05:39.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""For that, I'll switch back to my init.el file.""" start="00:05:39.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's really just five functions.""" start="00:05:45.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first two here are ones""" start="00:05:49.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've adapted off the Internet.""" start="00:05:52.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Honestly, I can't remember""" start="00:05:54.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exactly where that I got them from,""" start="00:05:56.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically, they're just some functions""" start="00:05:58.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for making a block of text writable or readable.""" start="00:06:00.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Writable or not writable, I should say.""" start="00:06:04.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea there is that""" start="00:06:09.300" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm creating a new entry,""" start="00:06:12.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally delete""" start="00:06:13.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or write over some earlier entries that I've made.""" start="00:06:16.307" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I use a little bit of Emacs functionality for that.""" start="00:06:18.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here are the three reference functions""" start="00:06:24.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've actually written.""" start="00:06:29.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really trivial, basic stuff here.""" start="00:06:32.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The core of it is the `new-reference` function.""" start="00:06:35.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, what that does is""" start="00:06:41.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it opens up the references file,""" start="00:06:44.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jumps to the end of the reference file,""" start="00:06:47.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starts a new entry, inserts the asterisk.""" start="00:06:52.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It jumps back to the previous text,""" start="00:06:57.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and whatever previous text there is,""" start="00:07:01.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes that read-only.""" start="00:07:03.474" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, so that I don't accidentally delete that,""" start="00:07:04.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or cut, or type over it, or something""" start="00:07:08.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm making a new reference.""" start="00:07:10.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it goes back to the new reference,""" start="00:07:14.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically adds in a unique ID for that,""" start="00:07:17.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then automatically stamps it with""" start="00:07:21.340" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the date the entry was created — today's date.""" start="00:07:25.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I've got two other functions here.""" start="00:07:29.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is `view-references`,""" start="00:07:32.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does nothing but open up the reference file""" start="00:07:34.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and switch to that buffer""" start="00:07:37.807" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're not already on it.""" start="00:07:39.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's one other here, `edit-references`,""" start="00:07:42.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does the exact same thing except for""" start="00:07:45.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it also goes over all the text in the buffer""" start="00:07:50.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and makes it writable.""" start="00:07:53.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I really do want to edit those other references,""" start="00:07:55.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a function to quickly make that possible.""" start="00:07:58.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Example reference to Elfeed article""" start="00:08:02.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let me give an example of this.""" start="00:08:02.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I type in here, new reference.""" start="00:08:07.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I've jumped to the end of my references file.""" start="00:08:13.980" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See, it's ready to take the title.""" start="00:08:16.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I guess I need to have something,""" start="00:08:19.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some content, to put in here.""" start="00:08:21.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I was looking through Elfeed,""" start="00:08:23.660" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say I found this interesting article""" start="00:08:28.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Mars earthquakes.""" start="00:08:31.600" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I open it up [and]""" start="00:08:38.220" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I read through the article.""" start="00:08:40.007" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I'd figure out what it is""" start="00:08:41.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I find interesting about this, what it is that""" start="00:08:43.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to want to remember and look up later.""" start="00:08:47.260" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I come up with a quick title based on that.""" start="00:08:51.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to the references with `view-reference`.""" start="00:08:57.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, let's just call it""" start="00:09:01.900" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Study of Mars Earthquake."""" start="00:09:05.674" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm going to also want to put in some tags.""" start="00:09:13.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On my system, that's done with""" start="00:09:18.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Control C, Control Q (`C-c C-q`).""" start="00:09:21.107" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can put in some tags.""" start="00:09:23.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to go ahead and insert the colons.""" start="00:09:25.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can leave those out,""" start="00:09:29.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they're going to get added anyway,""" start="00:09:30.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm in the habit of using them.""" start="00:09:32.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say we'll call this 'Astronomy' as one tag,""" start="00:09:36.780" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the next tag could be 'Planets'.""" start="00:09:41.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I wanted to use a tag""" start="00:09:47.060" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was more than one word in the tag,""" start="00:09:48.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd need to use underscores or something like that.""" start="00:09:50.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I wanted a tag that was 'Mars Earthquakes',""" start="00:09:53.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could do it like that, but that's kind of silly.""" start="00:10:00.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I try not to be too clever with the tags.""" start="00:10:05.060" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't spend a lot of time thinking about them.""" start="00:10:08.660" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just come up with some general buckets""" start="00:10:10.600" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to throw things in.""" start="00:10:13.107" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the tags were added there,""" start="00:10:15.020" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the right of the title.""" start="00:10:16.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now you can see down here under PROPERTIES,""" start="00:10:19.380" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ID has already been added,""" start="00:10:23.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Date_Created has been added.""" start="00:10:25.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes, I'll like to put in the publication year,""" start="00:10:27.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for that, I use the `org-set-property` command.""" start="00:10:30.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Publication_Year, this year in this case.""" start="00:10:38.140" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I just need to paste in the URL.""" start="00:10:43.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that manually.""" start="00:10:46.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Org's bracket format for that.""" start="00:10:48.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I start that, go back to the article,""" start="00:10:53.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copy the URL, paste that in.""" start="00:10:57.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want, I can add it in the title""" start="00:11:02.100" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the second pair of brackets here.""" start="00:11:04.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't have to, but often like to.""" start="00:11:07.460" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Close that off, and there it is.""" start="00:11:14.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was really it.""" start="00:11:18.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I add a return on the end here,""" start="00:11:20.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just so the next entry comes out with the right spacing.""" start="00:11:22.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But really, that's it,""" start="00:11:26.620" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and typically, when I'm not explaining it,""" start="00:11:28.307" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only takes 20 seconds or so, or 30 seconds.""" start="00:11:31.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty quick. Pretty easy.""" start="00:11:37.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Searching the references""" start="00:11:41.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""What about searching later?""" start="00:11:41.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, often the easiest thing is just do a simple,""" start="00:11:45.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""boring incremental search.""" start="00:11:50.474" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually know roughly""" start="00:11:54.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what it is that I'm looking for already.""" start="00:11:55.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I was looking for that wildflower article,""" start="00:11:58.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could just do an incremental search for wildflowers""" start="00:12:02.380" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and jump through that. It's pretty simple.""" start="00:12:06.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not very impressive, but honestly, most of the time""" start="00:12:07.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that gets me there pretty quick.""" start="00:12:13.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes I find it useful to do an Occur search,""" start="00:12:16.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more specifically a Helm Occur search.""" start="00:12:20.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I use the `helm-occur` command,""" start="00:12:23.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I like to use this to search by tag.""" start="00:12:31.260" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's where it really becomes handy.""" start="00:12:34.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I want to narrow it down""" start="00:12:36.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to all my astronomy references""" start="00:12:39.207" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then narrow it down a little bit more to planets.""" start="00:12:42.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can put spaces in between and it still works.""" start="00:12:50.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see here in one window,""" start="00:12:54.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it gives me the bottom window there.""" start="00:12:57.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's giving…, just because of the way""" start="00:13:00.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the tags are formatted with the title, it gives me""" start="00:13:03.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list of all the titles that have those tags.""" start="00:13:06.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I usually find what I want pretty quick""" start="00:13:09.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by just tapping through here.""" start="00:13:11.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once I find the one that I think I want,""" start="00:13:13.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I press enter, and now I'm focused on just that entry.""" start="00:13:16.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is some advanced functionality, I believe,""" start="00:13:24.140" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I used in the past where you could search""" start="00:13:26.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on the property fields.""" start="00:13:29.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So do something like search for publication —""" start="00:13:33.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most recent publications in the last 10 years.""" start="00:13:37.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's some kind of advanced syntax for that,""" start="00:13:42.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I used once or twice.""" start="00:13:46.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Honestly, I use that so infrequently""" start="00:13:48.220" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have to go back to the Emacs manual""" start="00:13:51.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and figure it out each time, and figure out again""" start="00:13:54.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how I did that the last time.""" start="00:13:57.740" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But since I do it only once""" start="00:13:59.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every three or four months, it's not a problem.""" start="00:14:02.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm not going to go over that today.""" start="00:14:06.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's pretty much it in a nutshell.""" start="00:14:11.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, the code that I wrote, this specific approach""" start="00:14:16.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not really what I'm recommending.""" start="00:14:19.974" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But here it is if you really do want to use it.""" start="00:14:24.280" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe I can make a link to the URL""" start="00:14:31.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and share that in the chat room or something.""" start="00:14:36.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I consider this to be trivial code.""" start="00:14:40.060" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just use that if you want to use it.""" start="00:14:46.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should be signing off here now.""" start="00:14:49.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should be in the chat room, in the IRC chat room,""" start="00:14:53.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can reach out to me by email if you'd like.""" start="00:14:58.260" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:15:01.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +Questions or comments? 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My name is Eduardo Ochs""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the title of this talk is: REPLs""" start="00:00:03.080" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in strange places - Lua, LateX, LPeg, LPegRex,""" start="00:00:05.520" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and TikZ. 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Corwin, would you like to share your""" start="00:00:16.359" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""screen?""" start="00:00:17.960" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see the audio through BBB so we don't""" start="00:00:37.620" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to splice it in afterwards because it's""" start="00:00:39.840" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""annoying to splice things.""" start="00:00:41.720" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, Leo will be taking care of it,""" start="00:00:43.680" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not me, so. Okay, he's going to finish up.""" start="00:00:47.020" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So, in the meantime, it's been a long day,""" start="00:00:52.720" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people. Thanks for sticking around.""" start="00:00:55.320" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're going to do a little bit of jazz""" start="00:00:57.180" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""handing until Corwin comes back.""" start="00:00:58.739" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Smack. I""" start="00:01:00.060" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: can't imagine an Emacs con without getting to""" start="00:01:14.240" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enjoy Leo's famous jazz hands.""" start="00:01:16.020" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I can tell you it's a lot easier...""" start="00:01:21.420" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello? I can tell you it's a lot easier to do""" start="00:01:23.160" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jazz hands at 9am EST than it is at 5pm EST,""" start="00:01:25.760" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because for me it's 11 and I've barely seen""" start="00:01:30.860" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this 1 today. Okay Corwin,""" start="00:01:34.160" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you have a presentation right now?""" start="00:01:39.720" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do not seem to be able to hear you,""" start="00:01:45.480" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Corwin. Okay, just bear with us,""" start="00:01:47.440" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folks. We're gonna figure out this 1.""" start="00:01:55.240" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the last bug of the day,""" start="00:01:57.380" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we're clear until tomorrow.""" start="00:01:58.660" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I just heard you, but I don't know if it was""" start="00:02:05.820" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here or via mumble. Okay.""" start="00:02:07.700" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Can we figure out? Whenever there's a problem""" start="00:02:14.540" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like this, like Sash and myself are furiously""" start="00:02:17.360" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typing in the background,""" start="00:02:19.460" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we say, oh, can we fix this slide?""" start="00:02:20.640" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But here, I'm stumped.""" start="00:02:22.740" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I think Corbin is in the GenTrack on Mumble.""" start="00:02:33.180" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Okay, so let's all switch to GenTrack and""" start="00:02:40.520" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll be able to figure out the way.""" start="00:02:43.780" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, well, while Corwin figures out how to""" start="00:03:18.420" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get started, we might as well maybe do a""" start="00:03:21.540" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little bit of closing remarks,""" start="00:03:23.940" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can jump in whenever you want.""" start="00:03:25.380" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sounds good to me.""" start="00:03:29.440" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. Thank you, everyone,""" start="00:03:31.980" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for coming to Emacs Conf 2023.""" start="00:03:34.459" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We made it to the end of the first day!""" start="00:03:37.120" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hooray! We're going to keep these closing""" start="00:03:39.140" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""remarks short because it's a long day.""" start="00:03:40.440" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's almost midnight and Leah will turn into""" start="00:03:42.880" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a pumpkin very soon. 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Oh, well, way to put me on the spot,""" start="00:04:52.540" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but more seriously, thanks.""" start="00:04:56.540" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, it's a lot of fun.""" start="00:04:58.040" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, it's, we sort of keep coming back""" start="00:05:00.340" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every year and doing this conference.""" start="00:05:03.760" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's always been fun. And we keep doing it""" start="00:05:06.300" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks to, you know, all the people who""" start="00:05:08.720" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""submit all these amazing talks with these""" start="00:05:11.320" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amazing sessions. And of course the audience""" start="00:05:14.600" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well. 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We're glad to have you.""" start="00:06:25.960" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, Sasha, Unless you've got anything else""" start="00:06:29.180" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to add, and Corwin, have you fixed your""" start="00:06:31.120" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""microphone? Yes, we can hear you Corwin.""" start="00:06:33.880" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, well let's start again.""" start="00:06:38.400" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's forget everything you've heard for the""" start="00:06:39.160" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""last 20 minutes. 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All right, I have closed the bbb oh""" start="00:08:19.360" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's restarting apparently oh it's we're back""" start="00:08:31.320" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the q and a between stephan and let's""" start="00:08:34.780" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""close this hey we are off""" start="00:08:37.480" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: we are clear I am pausing the recording I""" start="00:08:44.700" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't have permission to do that in this""" start="00:08:52.540" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""room.""" start="00:08:54.280" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sat-close%3A%20Saturday%20closing%20remarks) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-close-before.md b/2023/info/sat-close-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d44b5b4b --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sat-close-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 9-min talk; Q&A: ask questions via Etherpad/IRC; we'll e-mail the speaker and post answers on this wiki page after the conference +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="sat-close-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md b/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..219f76fc --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sun-open">Sunday opening remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-open-after.md b/2023/info/sat-open-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..aee69d2e --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sat-open-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="sat-open-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + +[[!template text="""Welcome to EmacsConf 2023, where we get to find out""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just how much we can do with a text editor.""" start="00:00:04.559" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just like last year, we have two tracks.""" start="00:00:07.698" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:10.317" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:12.656" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:14.235" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:15.954" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:18.493" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Saturday, it's mostly Org Mode talks on the General track.""" start="00:00:21.152" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The doc talk on the development track""" start="00:00:24.711" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is about literate documentation with Emacs and Org Mode,""" start="00:00:26.870" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's a general-audience talk""" start="00:00:30.129" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it's in the Development track.""" start="00:00:31.688" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just ran out of space in the schedule.""" start="00:00:33.607" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:35.266" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:38.505" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:41.264" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:44.043" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:47.522" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:50.401" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:52.820" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also web-based players""" start="00:00:56.219" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case that's all you've got.""" start="00:00:57.818" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule shows the General track on top""" start="00:01:00.297" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Development track on the bottom,""" start="00:01:02.296" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can see what else is going on.""" start="00:01:03.975" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you're watching the talks,""" start="00:01:06.594" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can refer to the schedule in another window.""" start="00:01:07.793" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hover over the boxes to see the times and titles,""" start="00:01:10.692" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and click on the boxes in the schedule""" start="00:01:13.711" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the talk's page for more details.""" start="00:01:15.610" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also get the schedule as an iCalendar file""" start="00:01:18.389" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as an Org file in different time zones.""" start="00:01:20.928" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many talks will be followed by""" start="00:01:23.187" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live Q&A web conferences with the speaker,""" start="00:01:24.686" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will be done in BigBlueButton or BBB.""" start="00:01:27.345" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are indicated with a solid border on the schedule""" start="00:01:30.424" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by Q&A: BBB on the schedule page.""" start="00:01:33.423" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join the web conference room""" start="00:01:36.582" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by clicking on the BBB link""" start="00:01:38.281" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule page or the talk's webpage.""" start="00:01:39.900" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can ask your questions yourself when the Q&A starts.""" start="00:01:42.839" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To improve performance, please keep your webcam off""" start="00:01:45.758" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stay muted until it's your turn to talk.""" start="00:01:48.217" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year we're experimenting with automatically switching""" start="00:01:50.956" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between talks and Q&A sessions,""" start="00:01:53.575" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the transitions on the stream might be a little sudden,""" start="00:01:55.934" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but people in the BigBlueButton room""" start="00:01:59.133" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can continue the conversation""" start="00:02:00.892" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even after the talk moves off-stream.""" start="00:02:02.571" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other talks will have Q&A via Etherpad or IRC,""" start="00:02:05.410" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on what the speakers prefer.""" start="00:02:08.769" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is indicated in the schedule with a dashed border""" start="00:02:11.088" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and on the schedule page as well.""" start="00:02:14.107" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please ask your questions in the recommended places""" start="00:02:16.826" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the speakers can easily see them.""" start="00:02:19.265" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some talks will have the Q&A after the event,""" start="00:02:21.784" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can add your questions to their Etherpad.""" start="00:02:24.503" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll e-mail the speakers afterwards""" start="00:02:27.362" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and update the talk pages when they answer.""" start="00:02:29.461" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule pages and track pages have quick shortcuts""" start="00:02:32.360" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can find out more about talks, open the Etherpads,""" start="00:02:35.499" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and join the Q&A sessions. The watch page has more tips""" start="00:02:38.978" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how to make the most of Q&A.""" start="00:02:42.537" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can, please add notes and ask questions""" start="00:02:45.236" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Etherpad for the talk. That makes it easier""" start="00:02:48.015" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for everyone to share their notes,""" start="00:02:51.174" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and speakers and hosts can read the questions from there.""" start="00:02:52.833" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll copy the notes to the talk pages afterwards.""" start="00:02:55.772" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have one pad for each talk,""" start="00:02:59.791" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can follow the links to get to the next one""" start="00:03:01.850" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or go back to the schedule and get the link from there.""" start="00:03:03.969" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have general feedback about""" start="00:03:07.128" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the conference itself, please put it in""" start="00:03:08.767" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad.emacsconf.org/2023 , which is linked on each pad.""" start="00:03:10.926" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use this as a general community message board""" start="00:03:16.385" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for things like Help Wanted.""" start="00:03:19.044" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Internet Relay Chat or IRC can be another great way""" start="00:03:22.183" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be part of lots of conversations.""" start="00:03:25.320" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use chat.emacsconf.org to join the IRC channels""" start="00:03:27.961" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through your web browser. The tabs on the left can help you""" start="00:03:31.680" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch between the different channels.""" start="00:03:34.519" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's #emacsconf-gen for the General track""" start="00:03:37.078" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and #emacsconf-dev for the Development track.""" start="00:03:40.340" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need to reach us, you can join #emacsconf-org""" start="00:03:43.696" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or e-mail emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org.""" start="00:03:47.415" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use #emacsconf for hallway conversations.""" start="00:03:52.394" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you can join any of these channels""" start="00:03:55.673" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your favourite IRC client.""" start="00:03:57.792" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're on the libera.chat network.""" start="00:04:00.071" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once again, we're going to be streaming with open captions""" start="00:04:03.910" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for most of the talks this year, thanks to our speakers and""" start="00:04:06.549" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captioning volunteers. The captioned talks are indicated""" start="00:04:09.628" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule, and with any luck, we'll be posting""" start="00:04:12.987" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcripts on talk pages shortly after the talks start.""" start="00:04:15.706" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need additional accommodations,""" start="00:04:19.205" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in #emacsconf-org""" start="00:04:21.024" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll see if we can make things happen.""" start="00:04:23.784" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If something goes down, we'll update status.emacsconf.org.""" start="00:04:25.683" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it doesn't look like we've noticed yet,""" start="00:04:29.922" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in the #emacsconf-org IRC channel,""" start="00:04:31.781" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we will be quietly panicking.""" start="00:04:35.220" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In all of these conversations, please keep in mind""" start="00:04:37.379" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our guidelines for conduct. You can find them on the wiki,""" start="00:04:40.078" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They basically boil down to: please be nice.""" start="00:04:43.077" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If all goes well, the prerecorded talks and transcripts""" start="00:04:46.557" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be available from the talk pages""" start="00:04:48.996" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shortly after they start playing,""" start="00:04:50.995" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll post the recordings of live talks""" start="00:04:52.734" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Q&A sessions within the next month or so.""" start="00:04:54.633" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you'd like to get an update, you can subscribe to""" start="00:04:57.752" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the emacsconf-discuss mailing list.""" start="00:05:00.271" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, let's get going.""" start="00:05:03.570" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo Vivier is hosting the general track,""" start="00:05:05.129" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Amin Bandali hosting the development track.""" start="00:05:07.529" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other volunteers and I will run around mostly backstage,""" start="00:05:10.648" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you'll probably meet us in the closing remarks.""" start="00:05:13.367" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also where we get to thank""" start="00:05:15.446" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people and organizations""" start="00:05:17.085" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make EmacsConf even possible.""" start="00:05:18.724" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for coming to EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:05:21.763" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sat-open%3A%20Saturday%20opening%20remarks) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-open-before.md b/2023/info/sat-open-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c812c4c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sat-open-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 6-min talk; Q&A: Etherpad +Status: All done + + + + + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="sat-open-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-open--saturday-opening-remarks--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sat-open--saturday-opening-remarks--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md b/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c1355bfc --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsconf">EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/scheme-after.md b/2023/info/scheme-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..17b95b51 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/scheme-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,544 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="scheme-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello and welcome everyone on EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Andrew Tropin.""" start="00:00:07.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work on operating systems and programming languages.""" start="00:00:08.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, we discuss Lisps, Schemes, REPLs,""" start="00:00:11.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactive development,""" start="00:00:16.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to make your own cozy development environment.""" start="00:00:18.140" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive development""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's start from interactive development.""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisps are famous for a nice""" start="00:00:26.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Interactive Development Experience.""" start="00:00:29.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have REPLs.""" start="00:00:32.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp has its own Lisp machine,""" start="00:00:34.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a lot of cool IDE with different functionality""" start="00:00:40.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is already here and providing""" start="00:00:44.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a nice and pleasant experience.""" start="00:00:47.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question is, is it enough?""" start="00:00:51.620" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In most cases, yes, but for some languages,""" start="00:00:56.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have some white spaces, some missing pieces.""" start="00:00:59.921" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for example, in Scheme world,""" start="00:01:04.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we already have a few tools.""" start="00:01:08.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have REPL, we have integration for REPL in Emacs,""" start="00:01:10.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but is it enough?""" start="00:01:14.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:01:16.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""REPL: Read Eval Print Loop""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""We know that Emacs is very good for Lisps and REPL.""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp and Emacs should be a perfect setup.""" start="00:01:22.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let's see how REPL basically works.""" start="00:01:26.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an event loop which does three things.""" start="00:01:30.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It reads an expression, it evaluates the expression,""" start="00:01:34.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it prints the result.""" start="00:01:37.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can take a simple expression, input it into REPL,""" start="00:01:40.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and evaluate it and see the result.""" start="00:01:47.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice, very convenient.""" start="00:01:48.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can experiment and see immediately what is happening.""" start="00:01:50.820" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even run a long-running process""" start="00:01:55.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does something.""" start="00:01:57.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can interrupt it and everything will be okay.""" start="00:01:58.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the problem appears""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you start to develop a bigger project.""" start="00:02:08.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in most cases, you don't do""" start="00:02:11.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your whole development in REPL.""" start="00:02:14.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You do only a small part of it.""" start="00:02:16.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In most cases, you just write""" start="00:02:18.461" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the source code in text files,""" start="00:02:20.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after that, you run those snippets of code""" start="00:02:22.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from those text files, or run the whole project.""" start="00:02:26.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not very convenient to copy and paste""" start="00:02:30.721" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every time the snippets of code to the REPL,""" start="00:02:33.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see the result, modify the snippet of code,""" start="00:02:36.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copy it again, and so on.""" start="00:02:38.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So people invented some integration""" start="00:02:41.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between REPL and your text editor.""" start="00:02:44.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can evaluate expressions inside your text editor""" start="00:02:46.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see the result here.""" start="00:02:51.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Long-lasting loops""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Works good so far, but what happens""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we run a long-lasting loop,""" start="00:02:56.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does a lot of operations.""" start="00:03:02.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see here with a simple example,""" start="00:03:05.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the output of the function,""" start="00:03:07.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stdout of the function is presented here,""" start="00:03:13.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the resulting value is here.""" start="00:03:16.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you run a long-running process,""" start="00:03:18.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't see anything happening.""" start="00:03:22.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see there's a watch instead of my cursor.""" start="00:03:24.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you don't see it, but nothing actually happens,""" start="00:03:29.260" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least from the point of view of the user.""" start="00:03:33.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we interrupt the evaluation,""" start="00:03:36.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will see that some process in the background""" start="00:03:38.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was launched, but we didn't see anything.""" start="00:03:41.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the REPL is a single-threaded blocking process,""" start="00:03:44.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which reads stdin and prints stdout,""" start="00:03:51.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make the integration""" start="00:03:54.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the REPL and your text editor""" start="00:03:55.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not an easy task.""" start="00:03:58.541" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And even if you do it,""" start="00:04:02.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a lot of downsides, usually.""" start="00:04:04.321" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Not interruptible""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""First of all, the process is not interruptible.""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have a remote process which listens on the socket""" start="00:04:13.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to which you connect from your development environment,""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you run some infinite loop, for example,""" start="00:04:21.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can't interrupt it.""" start="00:04:25.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because interruption is done via signals,""" start="00:04:28.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and signals to remote processes are not usually""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the thing in such integrations.""" start="00:04:35.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Output is not interactive""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Output is also not interactive.""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Usually, for example, here you can see""" start="00:04:41.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I evaluate the expression,""" start="00:04:45.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the output is captured on the evaluation side,""" start="00:04:47.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after that, after the whole evaluation""" start="00:04:51.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the whole expression finished,""" start="00:04:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get the result, all the stdout at once.""" start="00:04:56.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I run the process which evaluates for 5 seconds,""" start="00:05:06.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will see the first signs of the life""" start="00:05:09.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only after 5 seconds of evaluation.""" start="00:05:13.781" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, what else?""" start="00:05:17.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""No protocol""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""When you do such integrations, you have no protocol,""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have just stdin and stdout.""" start="00:05:26.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You print to stdin from your text editor.""" start="00:05:29.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You read from stdout of the process.""" start="00:05:32.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard to tell if evaluation is finished,""" start="00:05:36.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it requires stdin, and how to extend the REPL""" start="00:05:40.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make it more featureful, and so on.""" start="00:05:47.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Not scalable""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And also, such integrations are usually not very scalable.""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you want to have a completion,""" start="00:05:57.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you type something, you have the completion. Cool.""" start="00:06:14.700" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you run the process and at the same time""" start="00:06:17.461" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""try to have a completion, you don't have it,""" start="00:06:22.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the evaluation is in progress,""" start="00:06:24.621" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can't calculate the completion candidates""" start="00:06:29.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time. To make it more obvious,""" start="00:06:33.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will start a completion here.""" start="00:06:35.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see the completion pop-ups.""" start="00:06:41.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I start the evaluation process,""" start="00:06:43.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when I try to complete something,""" start="00:06:46.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the evaluation freezes and there is no completion.""" start="00:06:49.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not very convenient.""" start="00:06:53.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Usually, you have some long-running processes""" start="00:06:55.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you want them to continue while you have""" start="00:06:58.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your go to definition, completion, and other things.""" start="00:07:01.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Overall, those issues make it quite inconvenient""" start="00:07:08.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to integrate REPL in text editors or development environments,""" start="00:07:13.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you need something else""" start="00:07:18.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make the work comfortable.""" start="00:07:21.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""nREPL""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""There is already a solution called nREPL.""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a synchronous protocol which allows""" start="00:07:28.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send operations to the server""" start="00:07:31.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and receive responses in a synchronous manner.""" start="00:07:34.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here is a simple example of a few operations.""" start="00:07:37.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First one is cloning the existing session,""" start="00:07:42.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and as a response you will get a new session.""" start="00:07:45.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also you send the evaluation request with code""" start="00:07:49.241" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you want to evaluate, and you get two responses.""" start="00:07:52.100" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First one says that output is captured""" start="00:07:55.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's equal to "hi\n",""" start="00:08:00.601" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after that, you receive an "Evaluation completed",""" start="00:08:02.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the value of this expression.""" start="00:08:06.561" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This protocol was developed""" start="00:08:12.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for CIDER development environment.""" start="00:08:14.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a Clojure development environment for Emacs.""" start="00:08:15.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very cool, featureful, reliable,""" start="00:08:18.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would say production-ready.""" start="00:08:22.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of professional Clojure developers use it.""" start="00:08:26.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The nREPL protocol is very simple.""" start="00:08:31.500" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a few operations out of the box,""" start="00:08:33.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can extend it with any arbitrary operation you want.""" start="00:08:38.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work a lot on Guix codebase and other Scheme projects,""" start="00:08:46.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the experience I had previously with nREPL""" start="00:08:53.820" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was not satisfying. I decided""" start="00:08:57.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just implement nREPL protocol.""" start="00:08:59.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Arei, Ares, and how to try""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""First of all, I implemented nREPL server in Guile.""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I called it `guile-ares-rs`, and used it""" start="00:09:05.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a generic nREPL client for Emacs.""" start="00:09:11.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It worked.""" start="00:09:13.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It had some rough edges, but overall it was okay.""" start="00:09:14.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And after that, to add more features""" start="00:09:18.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make the implementation more complete,""" start="00:09:21.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote my own nREPL client for Emacs and called it `arei`.""" start="00:09:25.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I got almost complete Guile IDE in two months.""" start="00:09:33.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `ares-rs` is nREPL server implementation.""" start="00:09:40.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`arei` is Emacs client, which uses the same nREPL protocol.""" start="00:09:45.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It utilizes `sesman` package for managing sessions,""" start="00:09:49.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the association of buffers with nREPL connection.""" start="00:09:54.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has some roots.""" start="00:10:00.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The implementation has some roots""" start="00:10:04.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Geiser, CIDER, Monroe, and Rail.""" start="00:10:06.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I took small snippets for some parts of functionality.""" start="00:10:09.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the CAPF and xref infrastructure""" start="00:10:15.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for completion at point and cross-reference capabilities.""" start="00:10:19.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And by the time of conference, I hope""" start="00:10:23.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that README will be complete enough""" start="00:10:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you will be able to try it yourself.""" start="00:10:30.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's see what is possible with it already.""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's connect to nREPL server.""" start="00:10:42.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After that, you can evaluate the expression.""" start="00:10:51.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see the stdout and the result.""" start="00:10:56.281" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice, very convenient.""" start="00:11:02.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have different expression, you evaluate it,""" start="00:11:04.720" 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You will see that this message is printed to stdout,""" start="00:13:21.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and unspecified was returned""" start="00:13:26.100" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a result of this expression.""" start="00:13:28.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Fancy example with continuations""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's make some fancy example with continuations.""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Continuations is a very cool mechanism""" start="00:13:37.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not the topic of today's talk,""" start="00:13:45.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can find a lot of interesting information""" start="00:13:48.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Scheme documentation or in related books,""" start="00:13:51.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I advise you to do it because it's really nice thing""" start="00:13:54.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is actually applicable""" start="00:13:58.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in many different programming languages.""" start="00:14:00.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here you can see the infinite loop""" start="00:14:03.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which just prints values increasing one by one.""" start="00:14:05.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we save a continuation on each iteration.""" start="00:14:09.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can call the continuation""" start="00:14:13.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will resume from the previous saved step.""" start="00:14:18.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see, it resumed from the same step""" start="00:14:21.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we interrupted earlier, but we provided a new value for it. +another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can provide another value""" start="00:14:31.641" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it resumed from the same spot it was saved earlier.""" start="00:14:33.921" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I also can provide a `read-i` value""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if I provide `read-i` value,""" start="00:14:42.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the infinite loop will read the input from stdin""" start="00:14:45.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will continue the evaluation""" start="00:14:50.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a different `i` provided in this input.""" start="00:14:53.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's try to type some arbitrary value""" start="00:14:56.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you see that the loop continued with this value.""" start="00:15:03.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice.""" start="00:15:07.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And every time we could easily interrupt it.""" start="00:15:08.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Guix API""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Okay, what most annoying thing that I had previously""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the usual REPL implementation""" start="00:15:17.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have a quite nice Guix API""" start="00:15:19.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I can build packages, systems and other stuff.""" start="00:15:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if I evaluate this expression, I will get an error.""" start="00:15:27.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I will get an error""" start="00:15:35.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't have an appropriate environment.""" start="00:15:38.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I can do, I can connect to the remote REPL""" start="00:15:44.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by creating a server with `guix repl --listen` command""" start="00:15:51.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connecting to it with `geiser-connect` command.""" start="00:15:55.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I can evaluate this expression.""" start="00:15:58.620" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right?""" start="00:16:01.820" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Wow.""" start="00:16:03.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:16:10.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It actually doesn't matter for my example.""" start="00:16:14.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will explain how it doesn't work easily.""" start="00:16:19.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a long-running process which prints something""" start="00:16:22.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it can take up to a few minutes.""" start="00:16:26.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for the whole few minutes I don't see any results,""" start="00:16:29.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the same as with this infinite loop which prints to stdout""" start="00:16:33.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't see anything interactively.""" start="00:16:38.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With `arei`, I can run""" start="00:16:42.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the evaluation of the same expression,""" start="00:16:45.620" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you will see instantly""" start="00:16:51.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that stdout is presented here in slightly yellowish color.""" start="00:16:54.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can interrupt the evaluation""" start="00:17:00.201" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I don't want to wait until it's finished,""" start="00:17:02.921" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just after that, I can evaluate another value.""" start="00:17:06.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's cool.""" start="00:17:15.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's see one more thing.""" start="00:17:23.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have an infinite loop and we have some completion here.""" start="00:17:25.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And completion still works,""" start="00:17:30.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very nice,""" start="00:17:32.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while the infinite loop is running.""" start="00:17:33.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:17:40.260" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Support""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Actually it took me around two months""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of full-time work funded by my own savings,""" start="00:17:44.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can support and help to the project""" start="00:17:48.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using OpenCollective or by contributing on SourceHut.""" start="00:17:51.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Future steps - Multiple simultaneous evaluations in different contexts""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The future steps for the project""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""include an experimental workflow where you have""" start="00:17:58.700" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multiple simultaneous evaluation in different contexts.""" start="00:18:03.675" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you have Fibers, you have Goblins,""" start="00:18:07.540" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have some HTTP server or some other thing,""" start="00:18:11.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you want to run all of them independently""" start="00:18:16.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in slightly isolated sessions,""" start="00:18:22.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you want to have the ability""" start="00:18:25.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to still interact with them.""" start="00:18:29.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if they require standard input""" start="00:18:30.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something else, you want to be able to provide it.""" start="00:18:33.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You want to see the stderr and stdout""" start="00:18:39.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of those long-running processes and so on.""" start="00:18:42.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The second thing is tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for better syntax highlighting, code navigation,""" start="00:18:50.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other features.""" start="00:18:53.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And after that, probably we will do a full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can jump expressions one by one""" start="00:19:01.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see the results and see some intermediate values""" start="00:19:06.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during the evaluation.""" start="00:19:10.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's very possible""" start="00:19:13.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because nREPL is a very extensible protocol""" start="00:19:14.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can implement""" start="00:19:17.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever you want on top of it.""" start="00:19:18.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""FAQ - Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I will answer two probably very frequent questions.""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:27.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the moment, it doesn't,""" start="00:19:30.500" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the Scheme implementation is not restricted.""" start="00:19:32.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have a server which is implemented in your language""" start="00:19:36.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have a client--in our case, `arei`--""" start="00:19:40.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which communicates with this protocol.""" start="00:19:43.975" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you implement nREPL server in a different language,""" start="00:19:48.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should work with already implemented `arei` client.""" start="00:19:52.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Is it possible to use it with other text editors?""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And is it possible to use the same functionality""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in other text editors, for example in VS Code,""" start="00:20:04.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vim, whatever?""" start="00:20:07.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, it's possible and the case is similar here.""" start="00:20:08.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have already implemented nREPL server""" start="00:20:13.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can write your own nREPL client""" start="00:20:16.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a different text editor and it will work.""" start="00:20:19.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I would like to thank the authors and maintainers""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and contributors of Guile, Geiser, CIDER, Clojure,""" start="00:20:26.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs, and all other people""" start="00:20:30.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are somehow related to the work on those projects""" start="00:20:33.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""involved in this talk.""" start="00:20:38.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope the Scheme programming will be enjoyable.""" start="00:20:42.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Contacts""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""If you want to contact me,""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""join #tropin IRC channel at libera.chat,""" start="00:20:47.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or drop me a message via email or feediverse""" start="00:20:49.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using `andrew@trop.in` handle.""" start="00:20:53.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will see you in a bit in Q&A session.""" start="00:20:55.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +<a name="scheme-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I see 2 questions on the panel already.""" start="00:00:16.200" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see, 1 asking how much Andrew uses""" start="00:00:22.660" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these ripples remotely or versus on their own""" start="00:00:26.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""desktop. And another asking if this can be""" start="00:00:29.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrated with EGLOT.""" start="00:00:31.160" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will note that it is very cool that""" start="00:00:34.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this year we've had so many talks on Ripples.""" start="00:00:36.580" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just goes to show how powerful Emacs is and""" start="00:00:40.920" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just how much or how far you can push it and""" start="00:00:42.980" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much you can do with it.""" start="00:00:44.040" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so see someone asking on IRC,""" start="00:00:53.460" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if or how many people use GnuGeeks.""" start="00:00:57.780" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since we are talking about Scheme,""" start="00:01:01.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GnuGeeks is a great platform slash operating""" start="00:01:05.740" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system or distro for your test house,""" start="00:01:10.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for servers and such.""" start="00:01:11.920" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do some impressive,""" start="00:01:13.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amazing work. And it's all,""" start="00:01:15.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty much all done in Gindugal's scheme.""" start="00:01:19.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So very cool stuff. Bye.""" start="00:01:30.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You""" start="00:01:45.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see another interesting question on the""" start="00:03:19.940" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad. How hard is it to add support for""" start="00:03:23.440" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something other than Guile?""" start="00:03:24.960" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if it makes sense to contribute at this""" start="00:03:28.040" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""early stage of development?""" start="00:03:28.940" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They said that they've written several""" start="00:03:31.960" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages for chicken skin before and they""" start="00:03:34.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would like to try this 1 as well.""" start="00:03:35.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess since Andrew isn't still here,""" start="00:05:26.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there was some chatter about GnuGeeks in""" start="00:05:29.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the chat, maybe it might be nice for me to""" start="00:05:32.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""share my screen and plug Inukis for a little""" start="00:05:35.520" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit and introduce it or at least show its""" start="00:05:38.800" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""website to folks who may not have seen it yet""" start="00:05:41.720" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm going to try and do that now.""" start="00:05:43.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You""" start="00:05:45.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, let's see if this works.""" start="00:06:19.760" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so this is GNU Geeks' website.""" start="00:06:33.540" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can go to geeks.gnu.org.""" start="00:06:35.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they introduced it at the top.""" start="00:06:38.820" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's a wholly free operating system or""" start="00:06:43.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""distribution of GNU Linux.""" start="00:06:45.100" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Meaning that it only has free software""" start="00:06:48.600" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packaged and no non-free packages,""" start="00:06:50.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it is endorsed by the FSF and the GNU""" start="00:06:53.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project. As someone said in the chat,""" start="00:06:56.640" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's kind of like Nix,""" start="00:06:57.740" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but instead built on GNU Gallop scheme.""" start="00:07:01.360" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has transactional upgrades and rollbacks.""" start="00:07:05.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you do upgrade your system and let's""" start="00:07:10.160" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say in the middle of it,""" start="00:07:11.180" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your hardware fails or your power goes out,""" start="00:07:13.200" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the likelihood of things being corrupted is""" start="00:07:16.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very low because the upgrade is essentially""" start="00:07:18.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prepared like in the background.""" start="00:07:21.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then pretty much atomically,""" start="00:07:24.140" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the system is switched to it.""" start="00:07:26.780" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also if there is some kind of,""" start="00:07:30.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, I'm losing my voice here.""" start="00:07:32.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there is some kind of issue that makes""" start="00:07:34.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your system unbootable,""" start="00:07:35.800" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could always go back to booting the""" start="00:07:41.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""previous revision of your system when you""" start="00:07:44.600" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""restart in the Grub bootloader.""" start="00:07:46.100" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so they have a nice blog where they""" start="00:07:56.740" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regularly post updates and what's new in the""" start="00:07:59.340" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project. You can go check that out.""" start="00:08:01.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also have a packages archive where you can""" start="00:08:07.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see a list of all the software that has been""" start="00:08:09.360" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packaged for GNU Geeks.""" start="00:08:11.060" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is an impressive list.""" start="00:08:13.620" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know how many tens of thousands of""" start="00:08:16.440" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages there are. Geeks has been growing""" start="00:08:19.720" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very well. And you can search the packages""" start="00:08:22.360" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. 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You are currently the only""" start="00:11:25.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""person in this conference.""" start="00:11:26.280" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/scheme-nav.md b/2023/info/scheme-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fa791c87 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/scheme-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/world">GNU Emacs: A World of Possibilities</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/sharing-after.md b/2023/info/sharing-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2b5a7b58 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sharing-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1071 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="sharing-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello everyone, I'm Jacob Boxerman.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a sophomore at Columbia University""" start="00:00:02.440" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""studying computer science.""" start="00:00:04.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm so excited to be here today""" start="00:00:06.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right at the end of EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:08.520" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So glad to be able to share with everyone today.""" start="00:00:11.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf is really the epitome for me""" start="00:00:13.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sharing and of learning about Emacs.""" start="00:00:16.747" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Today's talk""" start="00:00:20.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And in my closing keynote""" start="00:00:20.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""titled "Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs,"""" start="00:00:21.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to drive that home,""" start="00:00:24.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want to make every day""" start="00:00:25.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a day for learning and for sharing in our community.""" start="00:00:27.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to share my own journey""" start="00:00:31.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sharing the joy of Emacs""" start="00:00:33.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and convince you that sharing the ways we share""" start="00:00:34.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how we participate in our Emacs community,""" start="00:00:38.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those are the most important things""" start="00:00:41.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to both grow our community""" start="00:00:42.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to increase our own personal joy in Emacs.""" start="00:00:44.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""My history with Emacs""" start="00:00:48.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""My journey of sharing begins with my journey of learning.""" start="00:00:48.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll start by spending a bit of time on that.""" start="00:00:52.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Emacs every day for personal organization""" start="00:00:55.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to-dos -- you know, schoolwork, projects,""" start="00:00:57.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exams, readings. I use Org Mode for that,""" start="00:01:00.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""write essays, make presentations like this one.""" start="00:01:03.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also write in various programming languages""" start="00:01:05.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including Java, C, Python,""" start="00:01:08.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""locally and also remotely for projects, classes,""" start="00:01:10.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other responsibilities.""" start="00:01:13.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really started with Emacs during the pandemic.""" start="00:01:14.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had tried Emacs before, but at the time""" start="00:01:17.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all I knew it for was `M-x tetris`.""" start="00:01:20.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But then its power and its configurability even then""" start="00:01:22.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially spoke to me.""" start="00:01:25.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So from those little humble beginnings,""" start="00:01:27.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying different preconfigured distros,""" start="00:01:28.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I slowly made my way to building""" start="00:01:31.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my own 2000+ line configuration,""" start="00:01:33.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which actually surprisingly has about 70 stars,""" start="00:01:36.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a few watchers, a few forks on GitHub.""" start="00:01:39.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty straightforward.""" start="00:01:40.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Self-exploration vs learning from others""" start="00:01:42.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""But what exactly was that learning process like?""" start="00:01:42.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, Emacs was such a beast to me at first.""" start="00:01:46.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was familiar with Python,""" start="00:01:49.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with C, Java, languages like that.""" start="00:01:51.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was no stranger to the shell configuration,""" start="00:01:52.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything like that.""" start="00:01:55.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the absolute infinity of possibility with Emacs""" start="00:01:56.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was a bit overwhelming.""" start="00:02:01.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find a sentiment in the community""" start="00:02:02.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that exploring on one's own""" start="00:02:04.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was greater than exploring and learning from others.""" start="00:02:06.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I see why people say that and it's true in a sense,""" start="00:02:11.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it might not be fully understood.""" start="00:02:14.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At a certain point, we need to all create our own paths.""" start="00:02:17.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think that's just one of the ways Emacs is built.""" start="00:02:21.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The minute possibilities of configurability are so vast,""" start="00:02:24.160" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's like a fingerprint or a snowflake --""" start="00:02:27.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are so many options to create""" start="00:02:29.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a totally unique Emacs experience.""" start="00:02:32.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course that can't be found from somebody else --""" start="00:02:35.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has to come from you.""" start="00:02:37.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Still, building a strong foundation""" start="00:02:38.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is much, much better when we have others.""" start="00:02:42.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Expanding on that foundation is, too, actually.""" start="00:02:45.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My own process started""" start="00:02:48.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a lot of Googling, blog posts, YouTube, and Reddit.""" start="00:02:50.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Learning process""" start="00:02:53.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I actually found Emacs on YouTube.""" start="00:02:53.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Seeing how other people used it""" start="00:02:55.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was what really convinced me to try it for myself.""" start="00:02:58.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At a certain point when my confidence grew,""" start="00:03:01.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my trial and error became less error and more success.""" start="00:03:03.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was also able to take what I saw other people do,""" start="00:03:07.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learn from it, and expand, making it my own.""" start="00:03:09.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And through that time, I learned Emacs.""" start="00:03:13.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Emacs learning (not just learning Emacs)""" start="00:03:17.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""But I also participated in Emacs learning.""" start="00:03:17.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's the difference?""" start="00:03:21.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We often discuss the former,""" start="00:03:22.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""grappling with key binds, commands.""" start="00:03:24.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Emacs learning goes beyond these technicalities.""" start="00:03:27.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a mindset. It thrives on collaboration.""" start="00:03:31.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not a solo endeavor;""" start="00:03:35.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it flourishes best when we do it together.""" start="00:03:37.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This involves collaborating together,""" start="00:03:41.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating a collaborative mindset,""" start="00:03:44.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing effective strategies,""" start="00:03:46.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lifting each other""" start="00:03:47.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through our collective pool of knowledge.""" start="00:03:49.076" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Together, we contribute to the growth of each member""" start="00:03:51.640" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within our vibrant community.""" start="00:03:55.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs learning is much, much harder to do alone.""" start="00:03:56.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I wanted to help with that.""" start="00:04:00.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""My YouTube journey""" start="00:04:03.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So this brings me to the second part of my talk,""" start="00:04:03.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my Emacs journey, how I got started""" start="00:04:05.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and where I am today with my YouTube channel,""" start="00:04:08.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my Straightforward Emacs series with nearly 200,000 views.""" start="00:04:11.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Why not just read the manual?""" start="00:04:14.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The Emacs Manual is often pushed""" start="00:04:14.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the best way to learn Emacs.""" start="00:04:18.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an all-encompassing tome.""" start="00:04:20.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as amazing as I think it is,""" start="00:04:21.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it's reasonable""" start="00:04:23.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to push the Emacs manual so hard,""" start="00:04:25.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is something I felt at first.""" start="00:04:27.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be really daunting. It's dense.""" start="00:04:29.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot there.""" start="00:04:31.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a bit too much for a beginner,""" start="00:04:32.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even someone with a little bit of experience.""" start="00:04:34.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These qualities, I feel,""" start="00:04:37.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""apply to many of the Emacs resources we can find out there.""" start="00:04:40.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best word for them is heavy.""" start="00:04:43.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They look, they feel, they come across as heavy""" start="00:04:45.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of what they may actually be.""" start="00:04:48.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not even that people are too lazy,""" start="00:04:50.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or not capable enough (because that's never true).""" start="00:04:53.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a mental block that takes some getting over,""" start="00:04:56.520" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's okay -- so we need other things, too.""" start="00:05:00.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For me, that was video.""" start="00:05:03.160" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted someone to tell and show me""" start="00:05:04.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I wanted to know,""" start="00:05:07.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as things I didn't even know were possible.""" start="00:05:08.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I realized this once I'd progressed a little further""" start="00:05:11.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my Emacs journey. I wanted to do my part.""" start="00:05:15.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I care about Emacs. I started to really care about Emacs.""" start="00:05:18.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Why video for Emacs""" start="00:05:20.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So I wanted to share about Emacs.""" start="00:05:20.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So at that point, I refocused my work with Emacs""" start="00:05:24.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beyond just myself. 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Despite these valid claims,""" start="00:06:50.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe video offers a sense of personality""" start="00:06:54.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that written content just can't.""" start="00:06:57.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that makes it well worth it.""" start="00:06:59.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My first two videos in the series""" start="00:07:00.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""received a combined 35,000 views.""" start="00:07:03.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still get kind comments today""" start="00:07:06.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from viewers thanking me, asking questions.""" start="00:07:08.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I must have done something right,""" start="00:07:10.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to outweigh those cons of video,""" start="00:07:12.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to outweigh those common complaints.""" start="00:07:14.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Crafting tutorials that work""" start="00:07:16.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""What was it? 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How can we achieve this unity?""" start="00:12:08.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The key is finding avenues""" start="00:12:13.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where our collective knowledge and our support can flourish,""" start="00:12:15.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while each person can find a place for themselves,""" start="00:12:18.800" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating a more connected and empowered Emacs community.""" start="00:12:21.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From uplifting others with positive contributions""" start="00:12:25.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to engaging on platforms like Reddit,""" start="00:12:29.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both idealistic and concrete approaches are really valuable.""" start="00:12:31.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can continue lively debate""" start="00:12:35.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on community forums and discussion boards,""" start="00:12:36.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encouraging a positive and inclusive atmosphere""" start="00:12:38.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for asking questions and seeking help.""" start="00:12:41.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can leverage social media platforms to share quick tips,""" start="00:12:44.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tricks, or interesting discoveries related to Emacs.""" start="00:12:48.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those who enjoy writing""" start="00:12:51.480" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can 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start="00:13:30.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and focus on collaborative projects,""" start="00:13:32.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from coding projects where we can contribute and learn""" start="00:13:34.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to building shared documentation and guides""" start="00:13:38.240" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that compile collective knowledge on specific topics --""" start="00:13:41.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Wiki is a great place""" start="00:13:44.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start and continue that work as well.""" start="00:13:46.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Especially for those who might be less willing""" start="00:13:49.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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So do translations,""" start="00:14:02.120" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for those who are able to increase accessibility,""" start="00:14:04.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as testing and bug reporting.""" start="00:14:07.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reporting issues to package maintainers""" start="00:14:09.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in their desired format -- speaking as one myself,""" start="00:14:11.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I appreciate when users give helpful feedback.""" start="00:14:14.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are options for everybody, big and small.""" start="00:14:16.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Remember, the strength of our community""" start="00:14:20.480" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lies in its ability to share, collaborate,""" start="00:14:22.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and learn together. Whether through collaborative projects,""" start="00:14:25.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing insights on forums, or leveraging social media,""" start="00:14:29.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by embracing these ideas, we can build""" start="00:14:32.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a more connected and empowered Emacs community.""" start="00:14:34.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:14:40.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now Emacs is so very personal.""" start="00:14:40.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those of us who have our own""" start="00:14:43.760" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""carefully manicured configurations understand --""" start="00:14:44.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs molds to our liking and our person.""" start="00:14:47.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our configurations and use-cases""" start="00:14:50.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are a reflection of our individuality.""" start="00:14:53.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nonetheless, the richness of our community""" start="00:14:56.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lies in collaboration, sharing, and learning together.""" start="00:14:59.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot of talk in the community""" start="00:15:04.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how to ensure Emacs' longevity.""" start="00:15:06.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I agree it's important.""" start="00:15:09.560" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We care because of passion, excitement,""" start="00:15:11.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and utility. We want to share""" start="00:15:13.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we want to have others love what we love.""" start="00:15:16.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also want a stronger community""" start="00:15:19.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that fosters new innovation.""" start="00:15:21.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to buy into complaints I'd read online""" start="00:15:23.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Emacs' defaults are too unapproachable.""" start="00:15:26.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The default color scheme and the font is unappealing.""" start="00:15:29.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fix that and people will flock.""" start="00:15:33.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sounds fair, I'd think.""" start="00:15:35.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Turns out, it's not what we need.""" start="00:15:37.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is bigger than that.""" start="00:15:40.640" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What we need is like what we've done here this weekend.""" start="00:15:42.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like EmacsConf. It's the absolute epitome""" start="00:15:45.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sharing about and caring about Emacs.""" start="00:15:49.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are here both working to grow our community,""" start="00:15:53.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to strengthen what we already have.""" start="00:15:56.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're here because we find joy in Emacs,""" start="00:16:00.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that joy is amplified by sharing it""" start="00:16:02.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with and among others.""" start="00:16:05.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's continue this journey together,""" start="00:16:07.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""navigating Emacs with a spirit of collaboration,""" start="00:16:10.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because in unity, we find not just strength""" start="00:16:13.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the enduring legacy of a tool that we hold very dear.""" start="00:16:17.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to everybody here""" start="00:16:22.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being part of this shared adventure.""" start="00:16:23.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go forth and share, together.""" start="00:16:26.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +<a name="sharing-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're live. 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Bbbemaxfirst.""" start="00:19:27.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""L5H, R5D, BH0 Okay, we're getting back Okay,""" start="00:19:42.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry folks about this We are,""" start="00:19:44.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jacob, We're back online.""" start="00:19:45.360" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really sorry about this.""" start="00:19:46.800" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that Sasha's script kicked in.""" start="00:19:49.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did tell you we were supposed to finish at""" start="00:19:51.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""30. 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Well, you said I have the no""" start="00:20:09.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""small task of making the last words from""" start="00:20:12.180" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presenters and not the organizers at""" start="00:20:14.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf. And I said,""" start="00:20:16.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, that's not hard at all.""" start="00:20:17.880" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How many speakers have we had?""" start="00:20:20.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""30? And it's so incredible these past,""" start="00:20:24.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, today and yesterday to have all""" start="00:20:26.880" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been able to come together and not just share""" start="00:20:29.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our ideas and our code and how we do things,""" start="00:20:33.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to share our faces and our voices and our""" start="00:20:38.000" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lives, you know a little bit of our lives.""" start="00:20:39.780" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know to have the passion to even spend""" start="00:20:42.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the time to on your weekend to watch this""" start="00:20:44.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""means that you have some sort of care about""" start="00:20:47.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs and it adds to your life.""" start="00:20:49.160" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you know those Emacs people aren't""" start="00:20:51.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everywhere. I've tried to bring my friends""" start="00:20:53.620" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""onto Emacs and it seems like you know you're""" start="00:20:56.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs person or you're not really an Emacs""" start="00:20:58.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""person. And those Emacs people can be really""" start="00:21:02.360" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""spread out. 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It means a lot to even the smallest""" start="00:21:27.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""member, the biggest member of our community.""" start="00:21:29.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're all really glad to be able to come""" start="00:21:33.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together like this and share and meet each""" start="00:21:36.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other and give nice talks.""" start="00:21:37.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, thank you so much,""" start="00:21:40.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jacob. And perhaps to reassure people,""" start="00:21:42.340" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because yes, right now it feels like we are""" start="00:21:44.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""legions, all of us here in the same room""" start="00:21:47.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching the same thing.""" start="00:21:47.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are the Emacs' and that's a very good""" start="00:21:50.740" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feeling to have. But you know,""" start="00:21:52.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first, there's 1 thing that is certain,""" start="00:21:54.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""almost 99% certain, it's the fact that next""" start="00:21:58.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""year there'll probably be another EmacsConf""" start="00:22:00.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there will be more Emacs versions,""" start="00:22:02.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be more augmented versions,""" start="00:22:04.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be more people doing cool stuff on""" start="00:22:07.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Melpa, on ELPA, etc. So it is still a vibrant""" start="00:22:11.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community. But in case you're craving this""" start="00:22:14.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little extra in-person stuff,""" start="00:22:17.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sash and myself, we are maintaining a list of""" start="00:22:20.280" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the Emacs user group.""" start="00:22:21.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is on the Emacs wiki.""" start="00:22:22.680" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what I'm sharing on my screen""" start="00:22:24.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently. And we try to organize them by""" start="00:22:27.500" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regional region, sorry,""" start="00:22:30.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""parts of the world like North America,""" start="00:22:31.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""South America, Europe,""" start="00:22:32.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Africa, Asia. And we have a list of upcoming""" start="00:22:36.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""events and a lot of them are still online.""" start="00:22:39.000" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ever since we had the entire pandemic stuff,""" start="00:22:41.420" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of the workshops moved online and,""" start="00:22:46.940" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, I had someone whispering in my ear.""" start="00:22:49.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of them moved online and they are still""" start="00:22:53.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""online now because they've realized it's a""" start="00:22:54.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very great way to get more people in the same""" start="00:22:57.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""place. And whilst it's great to have""" start="00:22:59.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-person meetings, We do this with Emacs""" start="00:23:01.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Paris. Emacs Paris actually is happening is""" start="00:23:05.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it? I think, oh I'm going to need to tell""" start="00:23:07.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasha that apparently yes we do not have the""" start="00:23:10.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next event for Emacs Paris which is next""" start="00:23:12.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tuesday and it is in person but for everyone""" start="00:23:14.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and including you Jacob if you find a""" start="00:23:18.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""workshop in North America that is working for""" start="00:23:20.460" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you, I'm thinking about Emacs SF,""" start="00:23:22.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've attended multiple times,""" start="00:23:24.660" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs Austin as well,""" start="00:23:27.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've been to once,""" start="00:23:29.060" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, It would be a lovely experience and""" start="00:23:31.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a way to, most of them are every month,""" start="00:23:34.160" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be a good way for you to stay in""" start="00:23:36.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""touch and to continue this sense of""" start="00:23:39.240" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-person-ness about Emacs.""" start="00:23:40.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Wonderful. All right, thank you so much.""" start="00:23:46.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Should I drop off of our call now and let you""" start="00:23:48.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""close things up?""" start="00:23:50.000" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're probably gonna close thing up.""" start="00:23:52.600" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just check on Sasha.""" start="00:23:53.600" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasha is obviously answering many many""" start="00:23:55.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions about how we are organizing""" start="00:23:57.180" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf. 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I'm glad I was able to""" start="00:24:18.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate such a feeling.""" start="00:24:19.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'll get going now.""" start="00:24:21.600" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jacob, have a wonderful evening.""" start="00:24:23.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And here you are. You too,""" start="00:24:23.940" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see you later.""" start="00:24:24.400" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Bye-bye. And folks, what are we going to do""" start="00:24:28.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right now? 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Please e-mail [jakebox0@protonmail.com](mailto:jakebox0@protonmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sharing%3A%20Sharing%20Emacs%20is%20Caring%20Emacs%3A%20Emacs%20education%20and%20why%20I%20embraced%20video) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sharing-before.md b/2023/info/sharing-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ae63e36c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sharing-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 17-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="sharing-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sharing-nav.md b/2023/info/sharing-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2d903a48 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sharing-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web (maybe)</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/matplotllm">MatplotLLM, iterative natural language data visualization in org-babel</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/solo-after.md b/2023/info/solo-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f99447c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/solo-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,761 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="solo-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi there, I'm Howard Abrams. You may remember me""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from past conference talks""" start="00:00:05.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as "Literate DevOps and the Temple of Doom"""" start="00:00:07.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "Using Eshell for Fun and Profit".""" start="00:00:10.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm here to talk to you about my latest Emacs project:""" start="00:00:13.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""playing games, solo role-playing games.""" start="00:00:16.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started playing RPGs when I got my first copy""" start="00:00:19.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Dungeons & Dragons when I was 12.""" start="00:00:23.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, my original copy burned""" start="00:00:25.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Great Satanic Panic of the 1980s,""" start="00:00:28.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's another story.""" start="00:00:30.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started playing other RPGs like GURPS.""" start="00:00:32.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are some of my notes.""" start="00:00:37.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Back then, I was typing them in Emacs,""" start="00:00:40.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I formatted them with LaTeX.""" start="00:00:42.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Later, when I was introducing my kids""" start="00:00:46.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to role-playing games,""" start="00:00:49.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually typed them up still in Emacs,""" start="00:00:50.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now formatted them for a tablet.""" start="00:00:53.581" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote a little JavaScript code""" start="00:00:57.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allowed me to click on it, and it would roll dice,""" start="00:00:59.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate random events, keep track of turn order,""" start="00:01:03.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, everything,""" start="00:01:06.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I didn't have to slow down the action of the game.""" start="00:01:07.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, when my kids got older,""" start="00:01:10.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still managed to sneak in a game of D&D""" start="00:01:13.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once a week at lunch.""" start="00:01:15.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This pastime came to a screeching halt with the pandemic.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Solo RPGs""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I turned to playing role-playing games by myself""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get my fix. Playing these silly elf games in solo mode""" start="00:01:23.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been part of the game for many years,""" start="00:01:28.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with so many of us stuck at home,""" start="00:01:29.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""solo role-playing games really expanded,""" start="00:01:32.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creative people releasing some amazing ideas.""" start="00:01:35.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's a solo RPG like? Well, it's somewhere in the middle""" start="00:01:40.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of writing your own story, where anything's possible,""" start="00:01:44.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you've got to do all the imaginative work;""" start="00:01:47.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or reading a choose-your-own-adventure book,""" start="00:01:50.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the text is given to you,""" start="00:01:53.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have free, a few predetermined paths;""" start="00:01:55.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and tactical battle games,""" start="00:01:59.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where dice determines everything.""" start="00:02:01.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It kind of fits in the sweet spot between those.""" start="00:02:03.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While I started removing the Game Master""" start="00:02:05.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the Mythic GM Emulator,""" start="00:02:08.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ironsworn really captivated me.""" start="00:02:12.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I began with dice, pencils, notebooks, you know,""" start="00:02:15.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like when I was a kid. But taking notes on paper?""" start="00:02:19.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you know me. That's not my jam. Org mode is.""" start="00:02:23.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, you know, notes have to be in Org,""" start="00:02:28.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, why not write a little dice roller in Lisp?""" start="00:02:31.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, when Shawn Tomkin released his Ironsworn""" start="00:02:35.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under the Creative Commons, well,""" start="00:02:38.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could just download the entire text.""" start="00:02:41.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I figured I could just render the entire game in Emacs.""" start="00:02:43.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""All right, enough talk. Let's get some Emacs action here,""" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while I show you a bit of my game.""" start="00:02:51.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When playing a solo RPG,""" start="00:02:55.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I jot down the story notes in an Org file.""" start="00:02:57.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, did you expect anything less from me?""" start="00:02:59.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I alternate between lengthy prose and short notes.""" start="00:03:02.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I'm both the writer and the audience,""" start="00:03:07.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the goal is just enjoyment.""" start="00:03:10.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this document is both a record log of my game sessions,""" start="00:03:12.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as my character's character sheet.""" start="00:03:17.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In most RPGs, a player's focus is a character sheet""" start="00:03:20.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lists all the attributes, the stats, equipment,""" start="00:03:24.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powers, you know, that sort of thing.""" start="00:03:27.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For my game, I wanted the focus to be the prose,""" start="00:03:28.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least the notes.""" start="00:03:32.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I put down all the stats as Org mode properties.""" start="00:03:34.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I can collapse a property drawer""" start="00:03:38.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have functions""" start="00:03:40.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that just grab values from these properties.""" start="00:03:42.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, let's play. While not important to my talk,""" start="00:03:45.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm in the middle of a game. My character, Tegan,""" start="00:03:50.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""promised to help a village by tracking down""" start="00:03:52.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the son of a village chief. A less-than-stellar roll""" start="00:03:54.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meant I didn't catch him before he entered""" start="00:03:59.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the mysterious underground structure""" start="00:04:01.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a relic of an ancient people.""" start="00:04:03.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just finished playing out the journey,""" start="00:04:06.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he's about to enter into the Catacombs of Svala's Blood.""" start="00:04:08.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Randomization""" start="00:04:11.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Why that name? Well, that was actually what came up""" start="00:04:11.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from an extensive random number generator that I wrote.""" start="00:04:15.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I wrote more and more functions""" start="00:04:19.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me play this game,""" start="00:04:21.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and since I don't play all the time,""" start="00:04:23.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I created hydra. I can roll dice,""" start="00:04:25.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can roll dice challenges against the character stats,""" start="00:04:30.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can adjust stats. Lots of random generators""" start="00:04:34.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come from this oracle section.""" start="00:04:38.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, are footprints going through the door?""" start="00:04:39.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I press `c`, and I'm prompted with how likely.""" start="00:04:43.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since the villagers gave Tegan vague directions,""" start="00:04:46.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he didn't see any signs the contrary,""" start="00:04:51.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I chose "likely". And, well, it originally said yes,""" start="00:04:53.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's why I jotted this information down.""" start="00:04:58.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, this is different than my character's ability""" start="00:05:01.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to notice the prints. This is about generating the story,""" start="00:05:03.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that the game master would do""" start="00:05:07.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a typical role-playing game.""" start="00:05:10.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, if I wanted to name something,""" start="00:05:12.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even the current weather,""" start="00:05:14.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have random tables with the `C` keystroke.""" start="00:05:16.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hmm, weather. Oh, it's summer, so hey,""" start="00:05:20.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's nice and clear. All right, let's play.""" start="00:05:27.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Moves""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The action in Ironsworn,""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like other Powered by the Apocalypse games,""" start="00:05:34.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is driven by moves. So, I hit the `m` key,""" start="00:05:37.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the moves show up.""" start="00:05:44.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I don't think I need to espouse""" start="00:05:46.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the virtues of completing-read enhancements like Ivy.""" start="00:05:49.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I'm using orderless with vertico""" start="00:05:52.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me find my choices.""" start="00:05:55.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I've discovered a site, let's play that move.""" start="00:05:57.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Reference""" start="00:06:03.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I seldom remember the details for the moves,""" start="00:06:03.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I figured, why not put the text of the book""" start="00:06:06.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an Org file and show it in a side window?""" start="00:06:09.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The prompt at the bottom, asking for a name,""" start="00:06:11.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is driven by the content in the displayed Org file.""" start="00:06:15.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This allows me to enhance my game without""" start="00:06:18.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changing the original code. So, let's call this story arc,""" start="00:06:21.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exploring the Catacombs of Svala's Blood.""" start="00:06:25.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ooh, sounds epic.""" start="00:06:31.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Story arcs""" start="00:06:34.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Ironsworn tracks the beats of a narrative,""" start="00:06:34.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so major plot points take up more room in the fiction""" start="00:06:37.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than minor plot points.""" start="00:06:40.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Similar games like Blades in the Dark""" start="00:06:42.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use numbers to track these, so you can say something like,""" start="00:06:45.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're three quarters of the way through this story arc.""" start="00:06:48.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ironsworn just uses labels,""" start="00:06:51.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and while I want this particular story arc""" start="00:06:53.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be significant, I really just want to get in,""" start="00:06:55.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find this person, and get out.""" start="00:06:59.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I'm going to call this "short".""" start="00:07:00.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, it's asking about an Org mode header placement.""" start="00:07:04.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While I originally wanted my Org files""" start="00:07:09.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be completely flexible,""" start="00:07:12.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one thing I noticed in playing""" start="00:07:13.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that a pattern always emerged.""" start="00:07:15.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The story became a tree. You see, story arcs""" start="00:07:18.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were just a series of montages or scenes,""" start="00:07:22.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and each of those were made of a series of events""" start="00:07:25.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and challenges to overcome.""" start="00:07:27.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, each Org mode header has a track,""" start="00:07:29.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which often becomes the number of subheadings.""" start="00:07:32.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At any point, I can see how much track is being made.""" start="00:07:35.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for instance, this one seems to be""" start="00:07:40.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about a third of the way through.""" start="00:07:47.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Using different stats""" start="00:07:48.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So, let's dive into this ancient place.""" start="00:07:48.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I've been walking through a misty forest,""" start="00:07:52.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can imagine vines hiding an immense door""" start="00:07:55.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a humid, earthy smell as I peer inside.""" start="00:07:59.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I don't have to write that stuff down,""" start="00:08:01.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if I want to practice my writing, I can.""" start="00:08:04.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can imagine the place is dark,""" start="00:08:06.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so Tegan lights a torch""" start="00:08:09.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before peering into this obscure world.""" start="00:08:10.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As this move mentions,""" start="00:08:13.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next move to make is called Delve the Depths.""" start="00:08:15.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As soon as I select this move,""" start="00:08:20.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it shows up on the side window, and explains that,""" start="00:08:26.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on how you're moving through""" start="00:08:31.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this ancient catacombs,""" start="00:08:34.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what kind of stat I roll against,""" start="00:08:36.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and those stats show up at the bottom.""" start="00:08:38.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, if I'm sneaking around, you roll against "shadow".""" start="00:08:41.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're trying to go as fast as you can, it's "edge".""" start="00:08:45.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I kind of imagine that he's thinking through,""" start="00:08:47.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being very careful about it.""" start="00:08:51.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I'm going to select "wits".""" start="00:08:53.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't have any modifiers.""" start="00:08:55.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just about every one of my stats prompts me""" start="00:08:57.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I want to add or subtract any values.""" start="00:08:59.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Dice rolls""" start="00:09:02.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""A miss. I should explain how the dice roll in this game.""" start="00:09:02.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The downside to Ironsworn is that""" start="00:09:09.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dice mechanics are more cumbersome than other games.""" start="00:09:13.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You roll a 6-sided die, add to it your relevant stat,""" start="00:09:16.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plus any modifiers. Next, you roll two 10-sided die""" start="00:09:20.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see how it compares.""" start="00:09:24.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I programmed this in Lisp,""" start="00:09:25.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when I displayed it, I wanted to see all the dice.""" start="00:09:28.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also just wanted to see the end results.""" start="00:09:31.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Dangers""" start="00:09:34.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So I colored it. I rolled a miss,""" start="00:09:34.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means I need to reveal a danger.""" start="00:09:37.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, I could imagine all sorts of dangers,""" start="00:09:39.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is a game.""" start="00:09:43.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've already made a random generator for dangers.""" start="00:09:44.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I've made a random generator""" start="00:09:48.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for dangers in an ancient underkeep.""" start="00:09:51.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Discovery undermines or complicates the quest.""" start="00:09:55.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hmm, a complication for finding the chief's son?""" start="00:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What about a labyrinth full of hallways and levels""" start="00:10:09.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with lots of choices and almost no way of finding them?""" start="00:10:13.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that sounds like it fits pretty well.""" start="00:10:16.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""A strong success""" start="00:10:19.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Time for another move. This time, we're going to""" start="00:10:19.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gather information,""" start="00:10:26.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see if we can figure out which way to go.""" start="00:10:28.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A strong hit. Excellent.""" start="00:10:32.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I imagine Tegan noticing footprints in the dust""" start="00:10:34.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and knowing where to go.""" start="00:10:38.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The game suggests that when you get a strong success,""" start="00:10:40.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can increase your momentum.""" start="00:10:44.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These game mechanics""" start="00:10:45.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come into play later, but this function here""" start="00:10:48.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allows me to adjust that stat +2.""" start="00:10:51.755" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't even have to scroll to the top of the buffer""" start="00:10:57.881" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and edit that value in my properties.""" start="00:11:01.461" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At any point, I can take a look at those stats""" start="00:11:04.821" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see how they measure up.""" start="00:11:08.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, I don't have to scroll up""" start="00:11:10.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and take a look at my properties""" start="00:11:13.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the Org mode file.""" start="00:11:14.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how I play the game.""" start="00:11:16.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a recursive loop of playing a move,""" start="00:11:19.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rolling some dice to see how it works,""" start="00:11:24.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to answer the question""" start="00:11:27.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on your own imagination or random tables,""" start="00:11:30.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which the game calls oracles,""" start="00:11:33.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and play creatively until you decide to take a break""" start="00:11:35.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and pick it up another time.""" start="00:11:41.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you get the gist of how I play""" start="00:11:42.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this dice and pencil game in Org Mode.""" start="00:11:47.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Other solo RPGs""" start="00:11:49.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""However, I found more solo RPGs to play.""" start="00:11:49.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, I want to render them in Emacs too.""" start="00:11:54.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This code for Ironsworn was a bit too specific,""" start="00:11:57.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I decided to create a role-playing game toolkit.""" start="00:12:00.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This project is still in the early stages,""" start="00:12:04.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I've created some functions""" start="00:12:09.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for mimicking rolling dice, including a mini-DSL for""" start="00:12:12.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making dice mechanics""" start="00:12:16.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typical of many role-playing game systems.""" start="00:12:19.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also ported over the random table system.""" start="00:12:22.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A text file can just list entries to be displayed at random.""" start="00:12:26.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love that I can put dice expression""" start="00:12:30.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and word choices in the entries.""" start="00:12:33.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One type of random table allows you""" start="00:12:35.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to essentially copy and paste a table""" start="00:12:39.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a published game into a text file.""" start="00:12:41.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A frequency table is what I'm calling""" start="00:12:43.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list of random entries where some entries show up""" start="00:12:47.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more often than others. I'm working on generalizing""" start="00:12:50.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the character sheet attributes as Org properties,""" start="00:12:55.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you're interested, check out the project at Codeberg.""" start="00:12:59.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:13:04.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The point of my presentation is not to show off Ironsworn,""" start="00:13:04.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how I programmed it, or even this new toolkit.""" start="00:13:10.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see, most engineers,""" start="00:13:14.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when they get an idea for a game like mine,""" start="00:13:17.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would make a web app. Nothing wrong with it.""" start="00:13:20.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More people can play it,""" start="00:13:24.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but web apps suffer from text entry.""" start="00:13:25.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And don't tell me you prefer the keyboard interface""" start="00:13:28.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Google Docs. Oh, and the JavaScript framework du jour?""" start="00:13:30.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I mean, that's a huge barrier of entry""" start="00:13:35.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when all you want to do""" start="00:13:40.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is have a bit of fun prototyping a game.""" start="00:13:42.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I'd like to impress upon you""" start="00:13:44.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that hacking Emacs to make personal games is a trip.""" start="00:13:48.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Learning Lisp is, it's easy.""" start="00:13:54.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And more, Emacs Lisp has some, well sure,""" start="00:13:57.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has some cruft. But really, some of those features""" start="00:14:00.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I would hate at a distributed system at work,""" start="00:14:04.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like global variables, makes hacking easier""" start="00:14:07.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you just want to have some fun in your own system.""" start="00:14:10.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, grab your laptop, sink into your comfy chair,""" start="00:14:14.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pour yourself a glass of scotch,""" start="00:14:19.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and craft yourself an enjoyable evening.""" start="00:14:21.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Happy hacking, my friends.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + +<a name="solo-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. Okay, so hi everyone.""" start="00:00:02.899" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are now live. Hi Howard,""" start="00:00:04.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how are you doing? Great.""" start="00:00:06.339" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lovely to hear. As usual,""" start="00:00:09.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's always a pleasure to see your""" start="00:00:11.980" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation and the amount of time and""" start="00:00:14.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""energy you put into it.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Slightly sorry about the shoppiness of the""" start="00:00:17.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""broadcast. Do not worry,""" start="00:00:18.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the talk will be in its full 30 fps quality""" start="00:00:22.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the website after the conference.""" start="00:00:24.779" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, right now. It's available right""" start="00:00:26.759" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now. As usual, feel free to ask your""" start="00:00:30.099" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions in the in the pad.""" start="00:00:31.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've linked it both on the talk page and on""" start="00:00:34.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""IRC. I think I am on the right 1,""" start="00:00:38.400" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? 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And I very much agree.""" start="00:05:58.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure, yes. That's kind,""" start="00:05:58.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: That's not a secret, You're not giving your""" start="00:06:04.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: too kind, too kind. There's no trade secrets.""" start="00:06:09.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just follow your passions.""" start="00:06:10.580" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: trade secrets. I can only conquer.""" start="00:06:14.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, moving on to the next question.""" start="00:06:16.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please talk a little about how you produced""" start="00:06:18.740" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such a slick presentation video.""" start="00:06:20.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything looked completely professional,""" start="00:06:22.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd agree. 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It's like, oh,""" start="00:15:30.780" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this person's showing up and this is what's""" start="00:15:32.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happening, but you can elaborate on it as""" start="00:15:34.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much as you want. And that's what I'm""" start="00:15:36.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thinking I might do. Hi,""" start="00:15:39.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike, you got a question?""" start="00:15:40.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Hi, Howard. Yeah, I do have a question.""" start="00:15:47.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a big fan of your work on literate DevOps""" start="00:15:50.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and your essay and video on that topic.""" start="00:15:53.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just wondering if you still use that""" start="00:15:56.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""workflow at work and have you changed how""" start="00:15:59.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that process works or has it evolved over""" start="00:16:02.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time since that video and essay were written?""" start="00:16:04.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: That's a good question.""" start="00:16:06.840" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I still do it. It varies depending on""" start="00:16:12.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the project and whatnot.""" start="00:16:13.500" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I still am using it.""" start="00:16:16.400" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm doing it with a lot""" start="00:16:20.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of other things. Like all my configuration""" start="00:16:22.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files are all in a literate style for Emacs.""" start="00:16:27.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And even all the code that's in Ironsworn,""" start="00:16:31.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the repo, if you go to the repo,""" start="00:16:35.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's the readme file. And yeah,""" start="00:16:37.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's just being rendered out to the Emacs""" start="00:16:39.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file. So it is still all literate.""" start="00:16:41.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Very cool.""" start="00:16:43.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because I don't know.""" start="00:16:46.500" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some things are just a little too complicated""" start="00:16:48.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just type up.""" start="00:16:49.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, sorry to be the bearer of bad""" start="00:16:56.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""news, but we have only about 3 more minutes""" start="00:16:58.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of lifetime. By the way,""" start="00:16:59.840" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to stay and discuss any of the""" start="00:17:02.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""topic of today's session after we go off air""" start="00:17:07.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll be able to keep all of the nice""" start="00:17:10.579" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discussion and put them on the talks page""" start="00:17:12.260" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""afterwards. Great. Howard,""" start="00:17:16.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to ask you if you have any last""" start="00:17:20.020" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""words regarding the presentation or the""" start="00:17:21.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions you've had. Well,""" start="00:17:23.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last question we had,""" start="00:17:24.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually, we had Mike come and ask it live.""" start="00:17:27.500" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But do you have any parting words before we""" start="00:17:29.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""leave you? Okay.""" start="00:17:31.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I think the last thing is go and hack""" start="00:17:37.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something. I mean, this Lisp stuff is a lot""" start="00:17:41.420" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of fun. And I hope that came across.""" start="00:17:43.860" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, the project I made is just a""" start="00:17:47.240" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personal thing and it was fun for me to make,""" start="00:17:50.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but everybody's probably got some fun thing""" start="00:17:53.100" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they could make as well.""" start="00:17:54.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just, I don't know,""" start="00:17:56.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hack it yourself because all the,""" start="00:17:58.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, think about adding multi-threading""" start="00:18:01.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Emacs. Maybe we don't want that,""" start="00:18:04.480" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that'll just complicate things.""" start="00:18:06.000" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is your own personal hacking sandbox,""" start="00:18:08.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so go have fun.""" start="00:18:09.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Great. I was just going to say we were""" start="00:18:14.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talking about Dwarf Fortress.""" start="00:18:15.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Dwarf Fortress, it's a very CPU intensive""" start="00:18:18.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""game because it needs to compute every single""" start="00:18:21.020" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing in the world and there's such a thing""" start="00:18:23.480" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the CPU death of the world where basically""" start="00:18:27.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you've got too many cats that are just""" start="00:18:29.340" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""breeding constantly with 1 another and it""" start="00:18:31.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creates so many entities that it just""" start="00:18:33.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""crashes, and the time it takes for the day to""" start="00:18:36.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""finish it, it just never finish.""" start="00:18:38.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I was going to say maybe multi-threading""" start="00:18:40.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be useful in this case for Emacs.""" start="00:18:43.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, wanting to foray into the future.""" start="00:18:46.100" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Thank you.""" start="00:18:48.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And thank you so much,""" start="00:18:50.900" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Howard, and thank you Plasma Strike for your""" start="00:18:52.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, as well as Mike,""" start="00:18:53.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who joined us. We're going to go live with""" start="00:18:55.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next talk in about 1 minute,""" start="00:18:57.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and until then, well, I'm not going to put""" start="00:19:00.400" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""music, You can wait 50 seconds without music,""" start="00:19:02.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you Zoomers. We'll be back in a bit.""" start="00:19:03.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Bye-bye.""" start="00:19:05.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Bye, Howard. All right,""" start="00:19:09.620" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are off. Thank you so much,""" start="00:19:11.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Howard. I need to dash.""" start="00:19:11.980" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And oh, I think he's already gone.""" start="00:19:13.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Bye everyone, I'll see you later.""" start="00:19:16.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [howard@howardabrams.com](mailto:howard@howardabrams.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20solo%3A%20How%20I%20play%20TTRPGs%20in%20Emacs) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/solo-before.md b/2023/info/solo-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4151f8a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/solo-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 15-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="solo-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/solo-nav.md b/2023/info/solo-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..741f4f35 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/solo-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/collab">Collaborative data processing and documenting using org-babel</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/ref">Org-Mode workflow: informal reference tracking</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/steno-after.md b/2023/info/steno-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..486a8207 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/steno-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,359 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="steno-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + +[[!template text="""Stenotypy is a system of typing""" start="00:00:00.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you press multiple keys at the same time,""" start="00:00:03.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""letting you send more than one letter at a time.""" start="00:00:07.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a video from the 1920s.""" start="00:00:13.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The man is holding a stenotype, a device used for stenotypy.""" start="00:00:16.940" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This particular one is called Grandjean.""" start="00:00:23.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's made for the French language.""" start="00:00:26.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this demonstration,""" start="00:00:30.068" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the man is going to be dictating a passage,""" start="00:00:31.740" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first, slowly and then quickly.""" start="00:00:34.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The lady on the left doesn't have trouble keeping up.""" start="00:00:38.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's using stenotypy.""" start="00:00:42.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The lady on the right is a good typist,""" start="00:00:44.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but she can't keep up when the dictation gets faster.""" start="00:00:48.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm nowhere near as fast as this lady.""" start="00:01:13.300" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's extremely skilled.""" start="00:01:16.020" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not even a tenth of what she is.""" start="00:01:18.780" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use Grandjean, I use Melani,""" start="00:01:24.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a system for Castilian and Italian.""" start="00:01:28.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want to make the word solo, I press S, O, L,""" start="00:01:33.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is made by two keys, and O.""" start="00:01:39.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's what that looks like.""" start="00:01:43.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The hyphen between S and O means that""" start="00:01:45.600" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the S is on the left side,""" start="00:01:50.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the rest of the letters are on the right side.""" start="00:01:52.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want to write the word sólo,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just like the previous word,""" start="00:02:00.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with the first O accented,""" start="00:02:02.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would press the asterisk key.""" start="00:02:05.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Melani, the asterisk is used""" start="00:02:08.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put an accent on a letter.""" start="00:02:11.960" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you speak English,""" start="00:02:20.300" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you would likely use the Ireland system.""" start="00:02:22.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""S-E-T makes the word set.""" start="00:02:25.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Ireland, you can make a long vowel sound""" start="00:02:28.780" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by pressing the two thumb keys""" start="00:02:32.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the other side of the vowel you want to make long.""" start="00:02:34.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""S-long-E-T makes the word seat.""" start="00:02:41.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is me programming.""" start="00:02:50.200" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After a few lines, I'll explain what's going on.""" start="00:02:52.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In GNU Emacs, you can create abbreviations""" start="00:03:19.580" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that expand to strings.""" start="00:03:23.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and creates a new line""" start="00:06:12.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right underneath it.""" start="00:06:14.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I typed i and then emacs,""" start="00:06:17.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I got the interactive skeleton.""" start="00:06:20.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I use another skeleton,""" start="00:07:16.120" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but these ones differ""" start="00:07:18.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it prompts me for a string,""" start="00:07:20.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can make the skeleton as long as I want.""" start="00:07:23.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I keep entering text in the prompt,""" start="00:07:27.300" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Emacs will keep making the skeleton bigger.""" start="00:07:29.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I enter an empty string, it knows to stop asking,""" start="00:07:33.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it sends me to the point""" start="00:07:38.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've designated to go to when a skeleton is created.""" start="00:07:40.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what the underscore means.""" start="00:07:44.620" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I type c and then Emacs, and I get the condition skeleton.""" start="00:07:48.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I use Corfu and Orderless to program.""" start="00:07:54.120" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can change your stenotype layout,""" start="00:12:55.761" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, say, if you want to use Grandjean for French,""" start="00:12:58.821" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Melani for Castilian, and Ireland for English.""" start="00:13:02.381" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of that's possible.""" start="00:13:06.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I should note that I'm using a Plover plugin""" start="00:13:10.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called Full Keyboard Steno.""" start="00:13:14.620" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes my entire keyboard into a stenotype.""" start="00:13:17.521" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem also has a completion feature built in.""" start="00:13:26.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I didn't need it for the code that I wrote.""" start="00:13:30.701" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's quite good.""" start="00:13:35.101" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In summary, if you add in the symbols""" start="00:13:38.720" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're going to need when you're programming,""" start="00:13:42.281" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll be fine.""" start="00:13:45.121" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even without skeletons,""" start="00:13:46.441" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Plover is nice to use for programming.""" start="00:13:48.621" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The search tool is the primary way of navigating in Emacs.""" start="00:14:00.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every Emacser can be measured""" start="00:14:05.621" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by their skill with the search tool.""" start="00:14:08.041" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-s begins a forward search.""" start="00:14:11.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The s stands for search.""" start="00:14:14.821" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm reading Aesop's Fables,""" start="00:14:18.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want to look for the word fox.""" start="00:14:20.741" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I press C-s and type fox.""" start="00:14:23.641" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want to go back to the beginning of the word fox,""" start="00:14:28.201" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I press C-r, 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being the modifiers, numbering seven in total:""" start="00:17:40.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shift, Control, Meta, Super, Hyper, Greek, and Top.""" start="00:17:44.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This keyboard influences the development of Emacs.""" start="00:17:51.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2000, designer Kiyoshi Kimura and programmer Yoji Hagia""" start="00:17:56.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""release SandS, a program that lets you turn your spacebar""" start="00:18:02.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a dual-function key,""" start="00:18:07.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sending space on tap""" start="00:18:09.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and acting as the Shift modifier on hold.""" start="00:18:11.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This idea, the dual-function key,""" start="00:18:16.220" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later revolutionizes typing.""" start="00:18:18.501" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These two concepts, the space cadet modifiers""" start="00:18:22.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the dual-function key, can be combined.""" start="00:18:25.641" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use a program called Kanata""" start="00:18:29.580" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put all the modifiers on my homerow.""" start="00:18:32.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I tap the letter a, I get an a.""" start="00:18:36.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I hold it down for longer than 200 milliseconds,""" start="00:18:40.100" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it acts as the Meta modifier,""" start="00:18:43.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and really I can add""" start="00:18:46.740" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as many layers to my keyboard as I want.""" start="00:18:48.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use a little stenotype.""" start="00:18:52.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Full Keyboard Steno, the Plover plugin,""" start="00:18:55.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use my whole keyboard.""" start="00:18:59.140" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have an alternative keyboard layout on it,""" start="00:19:02.020" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so, even when I'm typing in the traditional way,""" start="00:19:05.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it feels amazing.""" start="00:19:08.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My layout is called Kuron, and I lay it over Melani""" start="00:19:10.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I have both available to me at all times.""" start="00:19:15.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't get them confused because I set them off""" start="00:19:19.620" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the way I press keys.""" start="00:19:24.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I press one key at a time,""" start="00:19:26.940" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using Kuron, my keyboard layout.""" start="00:19:29.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I press multiple keys at the same time""" start="00:19:32.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let them go quickly,""" start="00:19:35.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm using stenotypy, in my case Melani.""" start="00:19:37.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I hold one key longer than 200 milliseconds,""" start="00:19:41.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm activating it as a modifier key or a layer key.""" start="00:19:45.241" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I always know what state I'm in by the way I press my keys.""" start="00:19:51.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's impossible for me to get confused.""" start="00:19:56.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Holding multiple modifiers is not a problem""" start="00:20:03.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the keycaps used for stenotypy are flat and square.""" start="00:20:07.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pressing two or more keys at once""" start="00:20:13.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the same finger is easy.""" start="00:20:15.980" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice how close they are to each other.""" start="00:20:18.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In stenotypy, the homerow is the border""" start="00:20:21.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the two rows of keys.""" start="00:20:25.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took me a while to get used to it,""" start="00:20:28.560" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now that I am used to it, I quite like it.""" start="00:20:31.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I have to press a hotkey""" start="00:20:35.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all six modifiers, Shift, Control, Meta,""" start="00:20:38.220" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alt, Hyper, Super, it's easy.""" start="00:20:43.980" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Kanata, I have a Greek layer on my board.""" start="00:20:50.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Additionally, I have alpha, beta, and gamma layers""" start="00:20:54.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that send sequences of keys that I can use as hotkeys""" start="00:20:58.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in both GNU Emacs and Lem.""" start="00:21:03.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you noticed a few while I was programming.""" start="00:21:06.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it's possible to bring the Space Cadet""" start="00:21:10.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any keyboard and to build on its wonderful ideas.""" start="00:21:12.960" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I'll note that another Emacser, Excalamus,""" start="00:21:20.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has made a page called Plover with Emacs,""" start="00:21:24.460" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with information on how to use Emacs""" start="00:21:27.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the standard stenotype,""" start="00:21:30.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one that has two rows,""" start="00:21:32.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one I call a little stenotype.""" start="00:21:34.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While I use my full keyboard,""" start="00:21:37.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I understand how a small board can be useful.""" start="00:21:39.600" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finger movement is greatly reduced,""" start="00:21:43.200" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""leading to a very ergonomic typing experience.""" start="00:21:46.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, all of the speed records""" start="00:21:49.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are set with this stenotype, the standard stenotype.""" start="00:21:53.240" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are many great ideas on this page.""" start="00:21:58.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Excalamus.""" start="00:22:01.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Special thanks to Richard Stallman,""" start="00:22:06.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the creator of GNU Emacs and the Free Software Foundation,""" start="00:22:09.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasaki Ryosuke, first name Ryosuke,""" start="00:22:13.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the creator and lead developer of Lem,""" start="00:22:16.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mirabai Knight, the creator of the Open Steno Project,""" start="00:22:20.120" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which oversees the development of Plover,""" start="00:22:24.280" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and jtroo, the creator and lead developer of Kanata.""" start="00:22:26.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The views expressed in this talk are solely my own.""" start="00:22:32.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have no connection to any of the parties mentioned herein""" start="00:22:37.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore cannot be seen""" start="00:22:41.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as representing them in any capacity.""" start="00:22:43.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I've said cannot be taken as medical advice.""" start="00:22:45.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the TranSide theme for GNU Emacs in this talk.""" start="00:22:50.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's beautiful and functional.""" start="00:22:54.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love how the code looks, and I can read the comments.""" start="00:22:57.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Lem, I used Gruber.""" start="00:23:03.560" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, the comments are readable, and the code looks nice.""" start="00:23:05.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I first started using Emacs,""" start="00:23:11.200" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the Wheatgrass theme.""" start="00:23:13.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another theme that I love is os1.""" start="00:23:19.980" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a light, warm, modern theme for Emacs""" start="00:23:24.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inspired by film palettes.""" start="00:23:28.240" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Regarding typography, for programming,""" start="00:23:35.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used JuliaMono, which was designed by Cormullion.""" start="00:23:38.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's extensive, and it's beautiful.""" start="00:23:43.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For graphics, I used PromptFont,""" start="00:23:48.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was made by Yukari Hafner.""" start="00:23:51.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's very talented.""" start="00:23:54.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really like her work, including this font.""" start="00:23:56.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are so many packages that I love in Emacs.""" start="00:24:01.180" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I talked about all of them,""" start="00:24:05.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my talk would last for days,""" start="00:24:07.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm only going to mention three.""" start="00:24:09.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keycast.""" start="00:24:12.580" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the top of the screen,""" start="00:24:14.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see the commands I'm executing""" start="00:24:15.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how I'm invoking those commands.""" start="00:24:18.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's Keycast.""" start="00:24:20.560" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rainbow Delimiters is another one I like.""" start="00:24:21.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It lets me know visually""" start="00:24:25.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when my parentheses are out of balance.""" start="00:24:27.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very helpful when I'm programming in Lisp.""" start="00:24:30.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moodline is another.""" start="00:24:35.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The modeline is where I can see relevant information""" start="00:24:37.880" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the file I'm working on.""" start="00:24:42.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moodline only gives me the information I want.""" start="00:24:46.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not really worried about too many things, just""" start="00:24:50.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the file name, the mode I'm in, and where I am in the file.""" start="00:24:55.461" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: daniel + +Questions or comments? 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text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:06.859" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:08.438" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:10.157" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:12.696" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please note that the hyperdrive talk""" start="00:00:15.355" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(titled "hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs")""" start="00:00:17.094" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Development track in the afternoon""" start="00:00:21.173" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is actually a general-audience talk,""" start="00:00:23.492" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just didn't have space elsewhere in the schedule.""" start="00:00:25.232" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:28.092" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:31.331" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:34.090" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:36.869" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:40.348" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:43.227" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:45.646" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also web-based players""" start="00:00:49.045" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case that's all you've got.""" start="00:00:50.644" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule shows the General track on top""" start="00:00:53.123" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Development track on the bottom,""" start="00:00:55.122" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can see what else is going on.""" start="00:00:56.801" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you're watching the talks,""" start="00:00:59.420" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can refer to the schedule in another window.""" start="00:01:00.619" 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sun-open-nav.md b/2023/info/sun-open-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f84ed342 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/sun-open-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sun-close">Sunday closing remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/table-after.md b/2023/info/table-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a0027610 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/table-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,252 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="table-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Welcome everybody. My name is Daniel Molina""" start="00:00:01.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to give this talk""" start="00:00:03.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Who needs Excel? Managing your students' qualifications""" start="00:00:05.061" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Org-table".""" start="00:00:08.064" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a professor. I work every day.""" start="00:00:08.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to qualify my students.""" start="00:00:10.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While most would consider normal in this situation,""" start="00:00:12.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be to use Excel or LibreOffice""" start="00:00:15.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for doing that.""" start="00:00:17.720" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, I think that approaching it from Emacs""" start="00:00:18.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has several interesting advantages.""" start="00:00:21.180" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I would like to write the qualification""" start="00:00:24.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next to the justification, next to the student error,""" start="00:00:27.660" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in the Excel format, it's not comfortable to do that.""" start="00:00:33.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I always prefer to write in Emacs""" start="00:00:36.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for many reasons, as many of you.""" start="00:00:38.840" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I love text format because I can compare versions""" start="00:00:42.720" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using a control version system like Git and easily change.""" start="00:00:46.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very useful for the revision period""" start="00:00:50.280" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which a student visits me""" start="00:00:52.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe I can change the qualification for any reason.""" start="00:00:55.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also can export the results directly to PDF""" start="00:01:01.040" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to publish them in my online campus for the student.""" start="00:01:03.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have many tools for doing that.""" start="00:01:08.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I already knew about Org-table formula.""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was very cool and useful""" start="00:01:13.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use Emacs for that,""" start="00:01:15.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have actually found a package `orgtbl-aggregate`""" start="00:01:16.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that seemed adequate for doing that.""" start="00:01:19.240" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I didn't see a lot of information""" start="00:01:22.860" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how to do that in a painless way.""" start="00:01:26.320" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I have to learn, training and testing,""" start="00:01:29.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then prepare these tools to solve that problem""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to help other teachers.""" start="00:01:35.000" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, it could be used not only for teaching""" start="00:01:36.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for more contexts.""" start="00:01:39.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demonstration""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Well, let's start.""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I have two sections,""" start="00:01:44.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the comments and the section of the table, or results.""" start="00:01:46.460" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have... 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I change that,""" start="00:14:49.580" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually, this is changed also, and this is changed.""" start="00:14:56.701" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a good way to divide the classification""" start="00:15:02.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in several files, one for the practice 1,""" start="00:15:08.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one for the practice 2, and one final practice""" start="00:15:10.201" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can finally export in a final table.""" start="00:15:15.040" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course you can make it a lot more pretty,""" start="00:15:27.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is all I want to show you.""" start="00:15:31.120" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope with this talk""" start="00:15:33.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have learned a lot more about Org formula,""" start="00:15:34.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[orgtbl-aggregate] package,""" start="00:15:37.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how you can use all this techniques""" start="00:15:39.689" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to improve your qualification of a student,""" start="00:15:42.280" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or for whatever you want.""" start="00:15:45.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: danielmolina + +Questions or comments? 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Please e-mail [emacsconf@gergo.csillger.hu](mailto:emacsconf@gergo.csillger.hu?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20taming%3A%20Taming%20things%20with%20Org%20Mode) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/taming-before.md b/2023/info/taming-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..364f0fdc --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/taming-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> + +The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sat 2023-12-02. Solid lines show talks with Q&A via BigBlueButton. 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pre-recorded,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so please don't blame me if I come across""" start="00:00:04.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as wooden and humorless.""" start="00:00:06.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard to work up any emotion""" start="00:00:08.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when looking at a mechanical eye.""" start="00:00:11.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I am German,""" start="00:00:13.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I am pretty wooden and humorless to begin with.""" start="00:00:15.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What else do you need to know about me?""" start="00:00:18.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not much, I suppose, except that 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason is that these Jupyter notebooks""" start="00:17:53.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I use from DataCamp have generative AI support""" start="00:17:55.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from ChatGPT integrated into the notebook.""" start="00:18:00.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I wanted to try that.""" start="00:18:03.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But after one term without Emacs,""" start="00:18:04.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I regret that decision now.""" start="00:18:08.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The AI advantage does not make up""" start="00:18:10.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the loss of the immersion""" start="00:18:13.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" 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So I can't wait.""" start="00:14:21.820" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nobody wants to come to Batesville where I""" start="00:14:23.100" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""am, but thank you so much.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was really super professional.""" start="00:14:25.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love that.""" start="00:14:27.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Great. Okay, we are almost perfectly on time.""" start="00:14:28.980" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we caught up about 1 or 2 seconds""" start="00:14:32.420" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the last sentence you said but otherwise""" start="00:14:35.420" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we were splendidly on time.""" start="00:14:37.200" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much Marcus.""" start="00:14:38.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You're welcome. So I wanted to say a little""" start="00:14:40.440" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit about that question about handling EDA.""" start="00:14:43.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Can you see the chat on the left?""" start="00:14:51.220" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because people have started asking questions""" start="00:14:52.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the left. Can you see the chat?""" start="00:14:54.720" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I mean I used email. Sorry,""" start="00:14:49.460" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So you've got multiple avenues for questions.""" start="00:14:58.860" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You can""" start="00:15:01.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: still answer questions in the chat.""" start="00:15:01.166" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: sorry, sorry. Okay, I'm just going to go into""" start="00:14:57.053" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. Yeah, that's fine.""" start="00:15:03.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Sure, I'll need to go now.""" start="00:15:05.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Marcus, have a great day and I'll probably""" start="00:15:06.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see you later.""" start="00:15:08.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, thank you. Sorry.""" start="00:15:10.160" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye. There was a question about the,""" start="00:15:13.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted to ask the answer the question about""" start="00:15:15.620" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EDA, large data sets. 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I obviously do.""" start="00:15:38.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But like the performance issues in Emacs are""" start="00:15:40.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comparable to performance issues for example""" start="00:15:43.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when using R. In R everything is in memory So""" start="00:15:45.780" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are limited to the available,""" start="00:15:49.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is it, 2 gigabyte or whatever memory of""" start="00:15:52.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your computer. So you would have to find""" start="00:15:56.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other infrastructure solutions anyway.""" start="00:15:58.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The advantage of using Emacs is that I can,""" start="00:16:00.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within 1 Org Mode file,""" start="00:16:05.860" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connect to an external database.""" start="00:16:08.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can even, as probably most of you know,""" start="00:16:11.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can even use it as a text-based web browser""" start="00:16:13.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I want to. So I could look at individual""" start="00:16:17.860" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files. 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And I don't think,""" start="00:16:47.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, so that's it. But the full answer is""" start="00:16:53.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have not done big data analysis in""" start="00:16:56.260" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. So that's actually a really nice""" start="00:16:59.980" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extension. 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So I don't know,""" start="00:17:16.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is it, upwards of 1 terabyte or""" start="00:17:20.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like that, I don't know.""" start="00:17:25.940" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That'd be interesting to know.""" start="00:17:27.520" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Haven't done that in class.""" start="00:17:31.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's another question.""" start="00:17:39.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Proportion of students that you think would""" start="00:17:41.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keep on using Emacs after your course?""" start="00:17:43.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not a difficult question,""" start="00:17:44.820" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because as I said, I have very small classes.""" start="00:17:46.000" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been here since 2 years.""" start="00:17:47.880" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm in touch with almost all the students.""" start="00:17:49.200" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I'm getting them work after school.""" start="00:17:51.580" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's really cool.""" start="00:17:54.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And everybody who took to Emacs really""" start="00:17:56.200" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seriously, so probably about 25% or so keep""" start="00:18:00.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Emacs after, afterwards.""" start="00:18:03.900" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, even in the job,""" start="00:18:06.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right, in the professional field.""" start="00:18:08.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Who, those who keep using Emacs after the""" start="00:18:10.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""course, I think the number is greater,""" start="00:18:13.080" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have not followed up on that.""" start="00:18:15.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to, my guess is more than half,""" start="00:18:16.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would say, half or more than half.""" start="00:18:23.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, Aaron, thank you so much.""" start="00:18:26.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's very sweet. But I didn't think the""" start="00:18:27.880" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation was great.""" start="00:18:31.320" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was thinking about redoing it,""" start="00:18:32.300" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is actually the first take.""" start="00:18:33.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was late, I had lots of other stuff to do.""" start="00:18:36.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think what I'm more interested in than""" start="00:18:40.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""papers is probably this idea of making""" start="00:18:44.700" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs-based data science videos because there""" start="00:18:48.320" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""aren't many out there.""" start="00:18:51.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most of the people who do,""" start="00:18:52.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and computer science, most people who do that""" start="00:18:54.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are not either developers and certainly not""" start="00:18:57.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""teachers. 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What's my YouTube channel?""" start="00:19:27.040" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to give you the,""" start="00:19:34.460" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a bunch of different YouTube""" start="00:19:36.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""channels. I'm going to put them in the""" start="00:19:38.520" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comments to my talk. Hold on,""" start="00:19:40.720" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the 1 where I have the latest Emacs videos,""" start="00:19:43.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you find my name, there's nobody in the world""" start="00:19:46.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with my name. 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It's interesting,""" start="00:21:06.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's something that comes to my mind.""" start="00:21:15.860" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I was a young student,""" start="00:21:18.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right, people who used Emacs and the web""" start="00:21:19.740" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't particularly large.""" start="00:21:24.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the volunteers would automatically make""" start="00:21:25.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""videos but not for commercial purposes.""" start="00:21:29.440" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now you have an army of people who make""" start="00:21:31.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commercial videos and the videos are usually""" start="00:21:34.740" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good for the first 10% of every content,""" start="00:21:38.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as soon as it gets a little more""" start="00:21:41.040" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""difficult, they either don't know what to do""" start="00:21:42.540" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anymore or they don't do it because it's not""" start="00:21:44.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commercially viable. 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Thank you very much and as they""" start="00:40:52.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say keep in touch. You're welcome.""" start="00:40:58.480" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay bye-bye. You're welcome.""" start="00:41:04.100" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, bye-bye. Take a copy of the chat before""" start="00:41:05.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you go, if you can. Happy weekend to just bye""" start="00:41:15.820" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bye.""" start="00:41:22.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You are currently the only person in this""" start="00:41:34.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference.""" start="00:41:36.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You""" start="00:42:00.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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Managing your students qualifications with org-table</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/test-after.md b/2023/info/test-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..413f1f6d --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/test-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,991 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="test-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:03.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi everyone! I'm Mats Lidell.""" start="00:00:03.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk about my journey""" start="00:00:07.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole""" start="00:00:09.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what I learned on the way.""" start="00:00:12.481" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, why write tests for GNU Hyperbole?""" start="00:00:19.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is some background.""" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm the co-maintainer of GNU Hyperbole""" start="00:00:25.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together with Bob Weiner. Bob is the author of the package.""" start="00:00:27.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The package is available through""" start="00:00:33.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs package manager and GNU Elpa""" start="00:00:34.681" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you would want to try it out.""" start="00:00:38.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The package has some age. I think it dates back to""" start="00:00:42.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a first release around 1993, which is also""" start="00:00:46.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I got in contact with the package the first time.""" start="00:00:50.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was a user of the package for many years.""" start="00:00:54.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Later, I became the maintainer of the package for the FSF.""" start="00:00:58.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was although I did not have""" start="00:01:03.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much knowledge of Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:01:04.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I still have a lot to learn.""" start="00:01:09.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A few years ago, we started to work actively on the package,""" start="00:01:12.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with setting up goals and having meetings.""" start="00:01:15.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my starting point is that I had experience""" start="00:01:20.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with test automation from development""" start="00:01:24.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in C++, Java and Python""" start="00:01:27.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using different x-unit frameworks like cppunit, junit.""" start="00:01:30.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was in my daytime work where""" start="00:01:37.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the technique of using pull requests""" start="00:01:40.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with changes backed up by tests were the daily routine.""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was really a requirement for a change to go in""" start="00:01:46.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have supporting test cases.""" start="00:01:49.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe, a quite common setup and requirement these days.""" start="00:01:52.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also had been an Emacs user for many years,""" start="00:01:58.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with focus on being a user.""" start="00:02:02.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as I mentioned, I have limited Emacs Lisp knowledge.""" start="00:02:04.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we decided to start""" start="00:02:09.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to work actively on Hyperbole again,""" start="00:02:11.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was natural for me to look into""" start="00:02:13.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""raising the quality by adding unit tests.""" start="00:02:15.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This also goes hand in hand""" start="00:02:18.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with running these regularly as part of a build process.""" start="00:02:20.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All in all, following the current best practice""" start="00:02:25.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of software development.""" start="00:02:28.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But since Hyperbole had no tests at all,""" start="00:02:31.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would not be enough just to add tests""" start="00:02:36.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for new or changed functionality.""" start="00:02:38.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We wanted to add it even broader; ideally, everywhere.""" start="00:02:41.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So work started with adding tests here and there""" start="00:02:44.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on our gut feeling where it would be most useful.""" start="00:02:48.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This work is still ongoing.""" start="00:02:52.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is where my journey starts""" start="00:02:55.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with much functionality to test,""" start="00:02:58.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no knowledge of what testing frameworks existed,""" start="00:03:00.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not really knowing a lot about Emacs Lisp at all.""" start="00:03:03.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""ERT: Emacs Lisp Regression Testing""" start="00:03:11.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Luckily there is a package for writing tests in Emacs.""" start="00:03:11.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is called ERT: Emacs Lisp Regression Testing.""" start="00:03:13.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It contains both support for defining tests and running them.""" start="00:03:17.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Defining a test is done with the macro `ert-deftest`.""" start="00:03:20.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In its simplest form, a test has a name, a doc string, and a body.""" start="00:03:24.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The doc string is where you typically can give""" start="00:03:28.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a detailed description of the test""" start="00:03:31.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and has space for more info""" start="00:03:33.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than what can be given in the test name.""" start="00:03:35.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The body is where all the interesting things happen.""" start="00:03:42.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is here you prepare the test, run it and verify the outcome.""" start="00:03:45.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Schematically, it looks like this.""" start="00:03:51.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have the ert-deftest, you have the test name,""" start="00:03:54.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the doc string, and then the body.""" start="00:04:00.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is in the body where everything interesting happens.""" start="00:04:02.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The test is prepared, the function of the test is executed,""" start="00:04:06.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the outcome of the test is evaluated.""" start="00:04:09.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Did the test succeed or not?""" start="00:04:13.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Assertions with `should`""" start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The verification of a test is performed with""" start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one or more so-called assertions.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In ERT, they are implemented""" start="00:04:21.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the macro `should`""" start="00:04:25.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together with a set of related macros.""" start="00:04:26.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`should` takes a form as argument,""" start="00:04:33.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if the form evaluates to nil,""" start="00:04:35.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the test has failed. So let's look at an example.""" start="00:04:37.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This simple test verifies that the function `+`""" start="00:04:48.581" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can add the numbers 2 and 3 and get the result 5.""" start="00:04:51.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Running a test case""" start="00:04:56.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So now we have defined a test case. How do we run it?""" start="00:04:56.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The ERT package has the function (or""" start="00:05:01.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather convenience alias) `ert`. It takes a test selector.""" start="00:05:03.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The test name works as a selector for running just one test.""" start="00:05:09.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have the example. Let's evaluate it.""" start="00:05:19.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We define it and then we run it using ERT.""" start="00:05:27.901" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see, we get prompted for a test selector""" start="00:05:34.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we only have one test case defined at the moment.""" start="00:05:42.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the example 0. So let's hit RET.""" start="00:05:46.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see here, we get some output""" start="00:05:55.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""describing what we have just done.""" start="00:05:58.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is one test case it has passed, zero failed,""" start="00:06:01.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""zero skipped, total 1 of 1 test case""" start="00:06:04.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some time stamps for the execution.""" start="00:06:07.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also see this green mark here indicating one test case""" start="00:06:14.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that it was successful.""" start="00:06:18.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For inspecting the test, we can hit the letter `l`""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows all the `should` forms""" start="00:06:29.660" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was executed during this test case.""" start="00:06:32.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we see that we have the `should`,""" start="00:06:37.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one `should` executed, and we see the form equals to 2,""" start="00:06:39.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it was 5 equals to 5.""" start="00:06:48.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a good example of a successful test case.""" start="00:06:49.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Debug a test""" start="00:06:54.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So now we've seen how we can run a test case.""" start="00:06:54.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can we debug it? Yes. For debugging a test case,""" start="00:06:57.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the `ert-deftest` can be set up using `edebug-defun`,""" start="00:07:03.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as a function or macro is set up""" start="00:07:07.940" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or instrumented for debugging. So let's try that.""" start="00:07:10.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we try `edebug-defun` here.""" start="00:07:18.820" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it's instrumented for debugging.""" start="00:07:24.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we run it, `ert`, and we're inside the debugger,""" start="00:07:28.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can inspect here what's happening.""" start="00:07:35.660" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Step through it and yes it succeeded just as before.""" start="00:07:40.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Commercial break: Hyperbole""" start="00:07:50.380" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""It's time for a commercial break!""" start="00:07:50.380" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole itself can help with running tests""" start="00:07:56.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also help with running them in debug mode.""" start="00:08:00.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is because hyperbole identifies the `ert-deftest`""" start="00:08:03.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an implicit button. 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Let's try that with another example.""" start="00:09:25.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have two helper functions, one `f1-add`,""" start="00:09:37.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that use the built-in `+` function""" start="00:09:43.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we have `my-add` that uses that function.""" start="00:09:47.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to test myadd.""" start="00:09:52.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then let's run this.""" start="00:09:59.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's run this using hyperbole in debug mode""" start="00:10:02.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-u M-RET. 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video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have used for mocking is `el-mock`.""" start="00:12:11.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The workhorse in this package is the `with-mock` macro.""" start="00:12:14.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks like this: `with-mock` followed by a body.""" start="00:12:21.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the execution of the body, stubs and mocks""" start="00:12:26.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined in the body is respected.""" start="00:12:30.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at some examples to make that clearer.""" start="00:12:32.900" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, we have the macro `with-mock`.""" start="00:12:39.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works so that the 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It looks like this.""" start="00:20:59.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have `with-simulated-input`,""" start="00:21:02.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then a string of characters, and then a body.""" start="00:21:04.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The form takes a string of keys""" start="00:21:09.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and runs the rest of the body,""" start="00:21:11.648" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if there are input required,""" start="00:21:13.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is picked from the string of keys.""" start="00:21:15.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In our example, the `read-string` call""" start="00:21:18.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will read up until RET,""" start="00:21:20.422" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then return the characters read.""" start="00:21:21.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see in the example, space needs to be provided""" start="00:21:26.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by the string SPC, as return by the string RET.""" start="00:21:29.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Running all tests""" start="00:21:38.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So now we have seen ways to create test cases""" start="00:21:38.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even make it possible to run some of them""" start="00:21:40.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has I/O in batch mode.""" start="00:21:43.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the initial goal was to run them all at once.""" start="00:21:44.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you do that?""" start="00:21:47.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to the `ert` command.""" start="00:21:48.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It prompts for a test selector.""" start="00:21:51.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we give it the selector `t`,""" start="00:21:53.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will run all tests we have currently defined.""" start="00:21:56.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try that with the subset of the Hyperbole tests.""" start="00:21:59.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is the test folder in the Hyperbole directory.""" start="00:22:05.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go up here and load all the demo tests.""" start="00:22:09.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then try to run `ert`.""" start="00:22:18.820" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we see that we have a bunch of test cases.""" start="00:22:21.208" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can all run them individually,""" start="00:22:26.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we can run them with `t` instead.""" start="00:22:27.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will run them all at once.""" start="00:22:31.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now, ert is executing all our test cases.""" start="00:22:35.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have a nice green display""" start="00:22:51.420" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all the test cases.""" start="00:22:57.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Batch mode""" start="00:23:03.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So that was fine, but we were still running it manually""" start="00:23:03.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by calling ert. How could we run it from the command line?""" start="00:23:08.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ert comes with functions for running it in batch mode.""" start="00:23:17.180" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Hyperbole, we use `make` for repetitive tasks.""" start="00:23:21.500" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have a make target""" start="00:23:25.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that uses the ert batch functionality,""" start="00:23:27.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is the line from the Makefile.""" start="00:23:29.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a bit detailed,""" start="00:23:33.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you see that we have a part here""" start="00:23:35.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we load the test dependencies.""" start="00:23:37.540" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For getting the packages""" start="00:23:40.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as `el-mock` and `with-simulated-input` etc. loaded.""" start="00:23:43.521" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also have... 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We have a number of test cases defined,""" start="00:24:44.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to run them, we need to run them manually. Well sort of.""" start="00:24:47.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not being able to run all tests easily""" start="00:24:51.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a bit counterproductive""" start="00:24:53.808" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since our goal is to run all tests.""" start="00:24:58.420" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is however no ert function to run tests in batch mode""" start="00:25:01.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with an interactive Emacs.""" start="00:25:04.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The closest I have got is either""" start="00:25:06.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start the Emacs from the command line""" start="00:25:08.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""calling the ert function as we just have seen,""" start="00:25:10.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then killing it manually when done;""" start="00:25:12.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or add a function to extract the contents of the ERT buffer""" start="00:25:14.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when done and echo it to standard output.""" start="00:25:19.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how it looks in the Makefile""" start="00:25:24.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the behavior of cutting and paste,""" start="00:25:27.801" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getting the ERT output into a file""" start="00:25:31.208" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can then kill Emacs""" start="00:25:34.581" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and spit out the content of the ERT buffer.""" start="00:25:36.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One final word here is that""" start="00:25:44.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you run this in a continuous integration pipeline,""" start="00:25:47.740" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might not have a TTY for getting Emacs to start,""" start="00:25:54.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that is then another problem""" start="00:25:59.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with getting the interactive mode.""" start="00:26:03.201" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:26:08.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""We have reached the end of the talk.""" start="00:26:08.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any new ideas""" start="00:26:11.121" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or have some suggestions for improvements,""" start="00:26:14.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to reach out""" start="00:26:16.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I am still on the learning curve of writing,""" start="00:26:18.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to write good test cases.""" start="00:26:21.101" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look at the test cases we have in Hyperbole""" start="00:26:25.300" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you think they might contradict what I am saying here,""" start="00:26:27.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is OK. It is probably right.""" start="00:26:29.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have changed the style as I go""" start="00:26:32.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have not yet refactored all tests""" start="00:26:34.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to benefit from new designs.""" start="00:26:36.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is also the beauty of the test case.""" start="00:26:38.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As long as it serves its purpose, it is not terrible""" start="00:26:40.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it is not optimal or not having the best style.""" start="00:26:43.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yes, thanks for listening. Bye.""" start="00:26:47.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<a name="test-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Do we have any listeners?""" start="00:00:08.740" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's you and I. I have a question.""" start="00:00:13.340" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How many tests do you have for hyperbole and""" start="00:00:16.420" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How would you rate the test coverage compared""" start="00:00:18.800" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to other packages? Well,""" start="00:00:21.279" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a tricky 1. Shall I spell it out loud""" start="00:00:28.279" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe type it at the same time?""" start="00:00:31.100" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I believe it's around like more than 300""" start="00:00:36.420" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""test cases now. But I cannot compare the test""" start="00:00:43.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coverage to any other""" start="00:00:45.220" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other package. Maybe I can type that later.""" start="00:01:00.020" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you say, Badal?""" start="00:01:01.560" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: package. I have no knowledge of any Yeah,""" start="00:01:02.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure, yeah, that's totally fine.""" start="00:01:03.840" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Feel free to just answer them with voice.""" start="00:01:05.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, yeah. 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At First I found it very""" start="00:24:26.680" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powerful to use that, but then I sort of,""" start="00:24:29.480" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I learned more about how we can use the""" start="00:24:32.120" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mocking library for what I needed.""" start="00:24:34.340" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I prefer that at the moment.""" start="00:24:36.900" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I see, that is interesting.""" start="00:24:40.560" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I had seen it,""" start="00:24:42.500" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I didn't consider that it's gonna be""" start="00:24:45.440" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""useful even in simple cases.""" start="00:24:46.800" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: It has its limitations.""" start="00:24:52.640" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's like life, how you turn depends.""" start="00:24:58.260" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But maybe I should look more into the org""" start="00:25:03.740" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode and the test case to learn more about""" start="00:25:05.880" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. 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Thank you everybody for""" start="00:26:05.200" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thank you guys. Great work.""" start="00:26:08.860" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: joining. Great. Thank you.""" start="00:26:09.400" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care. Bye-bye.""" start="00:26:11.100" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Take care. Bye. Silence.""" start="00:26:15.060" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/test-nav.md b/2023/info/test-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a595b88c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/test-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/lspocaml">Writing a language server in OCaml for Emacs, fun, and profit</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsconf">EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/unentangling-after.md b/2023/info/unentangling-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f6e4924f --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/unentangling-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,273 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="unentangling-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Alexey Bychkadov,""" start="00:00:01.220" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm talking about unentangling projects""" start="00:00:03.740" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and repositories, or maybe entangling them,""" start="00:00:06.899" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on how you look at that.""" start="00:00:09.679" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's going to be a short workflow note.""" start="00:00:12.980" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work as a researcher,""" start="00:00:16.619" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are 3 main components to my work,""" start="00:00:19.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess. First, I think,""" start="00:00:23.680" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I try to come up with a new ideas that""" start="00:00:26.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually results in some collection of notes I""" start="00:00:28.140" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have. Second, I try things out.""" start="00:00:31.580" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it usually means that I write code.""" start="00:00:33.760" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And third, I communicate.""" start="00:00:36.820" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I prepare papers, presentations,""" start="00:00:38.739" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""memos, and so on and so forth.""" start="00:00:41.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so The workflow problem I had is""" start="00:00:44.120" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes all this does not really fit into a""" start="00:00:49.160" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concept of a single repository per project.""" start="00:00:53.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I might want to have,""" start="00:00:56.200" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, a source code in 1 repository""" start="00:00:58.180" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I would like to have a paper in""" start="00:01:01.320" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another 1 and then I want to have a""" start="00:01:03.480" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collection of notes somewhere unrelated to""" start="00:01:05.200" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those 2. Emacs is pretty good at supporting""" start="00:01:08.620" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your workflows and I figured I should share""" start="00:01:12.500" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I used and what works for me.""" start="00:01:16.240" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, from the technical perspective,""" start="00:01:20.560" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things are pretty easy.""" start="00:01:26.479" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I use a collection of pretty standard""" start="00:01:27.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""components of Emacs. 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And that's how it works.""" start="00:11:21.820" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So again, what comes in handy,""" start="00:11:23.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I hit Control O, I just go back to the""" start="00:11:28.860" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file I jumped in into and that's I jumped""" start="00:11:31.500" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from so that's also pretty handy.""" start="00:11:34.240" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So again no no rocket science in there.""" start="00:11:36.220" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I create a directory local variable that""" start="00:11:40.380" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps me to figure out what umbrella project""" start="00:11:42.660" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does this particular folder belongs to.""" start="00:11:46.620" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this way I make Emacs aware of,""" start="00:11:49.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, facts like,""" start="00:11:53.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this source code belongs to that project.""" start="00:11:54.480" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this paper, this repository with a paper""" start="00:11:56.740" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also belongs to that project.""" start="00:11:59.180" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can have capture templates that would""" start="00:12:01.060" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""save my notes into the my private notes file""" start="00:12:04.060" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my to-dos and go to my private note files""" start="00:12:07.800" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so on and so forth.""" start="00:12:10.920" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I find it pretty simple but that really""" start="00:12:12.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps to reduce this context switching.""" start="00:12:15.520" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't believe it allows me to save""" start="00:12:19.600" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time, but that probably helps me to stay""" start="00:12:22.040" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""focused. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md b/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..24e0a4b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/ref">Org-Mode workflow: informal reference tracking</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/devel">Emacs development updates</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/uni-after.md b/2023/info/uni-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2bfe8152 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/uni-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,971 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="uni-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello everyone. I'm James Howell.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I teach biochemistry and""" start="00:00:01.940" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""molecular biology at Penn State University.""" start="00:00:03.540" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk today""" start="00:00:07.220" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about using Emacs to make all of""" start="00:00:08.880" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the materials for presenting""" start="00:00:11.480" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""course meetings in my courses.""" start="00:00:13.620" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything that you're going to see today is""" start="00:00:15.680" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've made using""" start="00:00:18.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the methods that I'm going to describe.""" start="00:00:20.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main point is that you can take""" start="00:00:26.200" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Org document and""" start="00:00:29.720" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a single Emacs document,""" start="00:00:32.080" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make both a pretty text document""" start="00:00:34.470" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a student can have""" start="00:00:39.080" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the desk and take notes on.""" start="00:00:40.380" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, I hope,""" start="00:00:42.040" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fairly useful and attractive slides""" start="00:00:44.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the ones that I'm presenting right now.""" start="00:00:49.040" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Both of these""" start="00:00:51.340" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a single source document.""" start="00:00:52.860" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. If you'd like""" start="00:00:56.660" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see the handout that goes along with this,""" start="00:00:59.260" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can download it""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the [Sourcehut] repository where""" start="00:01:02.800" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've put— everything's here.""" start="00:01:04.060" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you'd like to go look at it,""" start="00:01:05.960" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can follow with the handout.""" start="00:01:07.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I promised to talk about""" start="00:01:09.940" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both authoring and presenting.""" start="00:01:11.240" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Presenting""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""And first I'm going to talk about presenting.""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not the only one who does this.""" start="00:01:14.620" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might have seen System Crafters [David Wilson]""" start="00:01:16.600" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Prot's [Protesilaos Stavrou's] channel or""" start="00:01:19.300" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike Zemansky's channel on Youtube.""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(Prot actually is going to be presenting tomorrow.)""" start="00:01:23.060" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you've seen this""" start="00:01:26.680" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Hardware""" start="00:01:47.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let me talk about my practices:""" start="00:01:47.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, the hardware.""" start="00:01:50.840" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the hardware that I'm using to""" start="00:01:51.520" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""record this recording at the very moment,""" start="00:01:55.340" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also I carry these""" start="00:01:59.740" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into every course meeting.""" start="00:02:01.260" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've done this for quite a while,""" start="00:02:05.060" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this entire semester,""" start="00:02:07.120" 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start="00:02:52.520" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I'm using a desk mic,""" start="00:02:55.860" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when I'm remote,""" start="00:02:57.460" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use a lapel mic.""" start="00:02:59.100" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a video converter,""" start="00:03:01.740" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll show you why that's important.""" start="00:03:02.900" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then all of the ancillary equipment.""" start="00:03:04.380" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing that's nice about using""" start="00:03:09.020" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a completely free software stack is""" start="00:03:11.140" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it tends 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to say thank you""" start="00:20:32.690" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Sacha [Chua] and the organizers,""" start="00:20:34.990" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to everyone who made this possible and""" start="00:20:36.610" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to all of you in the community.""" start="00:20:38.450" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because as we all know,""" start="00:20:40.690" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that that's what makes Emacs such a strong""" start="00:20:42.770" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and powerful package is""" start="00:20:47.430" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of the people behind it.""" start="00:20:50.090" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks everybody.""" start="00:20:51.330" 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Can you perhaps do it for""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me? Great. The little angels in the""" start="00:00:01.839" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background have done it for me.""" start="00:00:03.740" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now finally that everything is ready.""" start="00:00:05.240" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi James, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:07.759" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Good morning. Hello. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/uni-nav.md b/2023/info/uni-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6694d47e --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/uni-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/adventure">An Org-Mode based text adventure game for learning the basics of Emacs, inside Emacs, written in Emacs Lisp</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/teaching">Teaching computer and data science with literate programming tools</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/voice-after.md b/2023/info/voice-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..32de9a2c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/voice-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1473 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="voice-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Blaine Mooers. I'm an associate professor""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of biochemistry at the University of Oklahoma""" start="00:00:04.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Health Sciences Center in Oklahoma City.""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My lab studies the role of RNA structure in RNA editing.""" start="00:00:09.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use X-ray crystallography to study the structures""" start="00:00:12.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of these RNAs. We spend a lot of time in the lab""" start="00:00:17.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""preparing our samples for structural studies,""" start="00:00:19.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we also spend a lot of time at the computer""" start="00:00:22.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""analyzing the resulting data.""" start="00:00:26.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was seeking ways of using voice computing""" start="00:00:29.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to enhance my productivity.""" start="00:00:33.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Three activities in voice computing""" start="00:00:37.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I divide voice computing into three activities,""" start="00:00:37.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speech-to-text or dictation, speech-to-commands,""" start="00:00:41.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and speech-to-code. I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:44.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speech-to-text and speech-to-commands today""" start="00:00:47.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because these are two activities""" start="00:00:50.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are probably most broadly applicable""" start="00:00:55.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the workflows of people attending this conference.""" start="00:00:57.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Talk is not about ... and about ...""" start="00:01:02.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""This talk will not be about Emacspeak.""" start="00:01:02.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a venerated program for converting text to speech.""" start="00:01:06.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're talking about the flow of information""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the opposite direction, speech-to-text.""" start="00:01:13.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need an Emacs Listens. We don't have one,""" start="00:01:16.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I had to seek help from outside the Emacs world""" start="00:01:20.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via the Voice In Plus. This runs in""" start="00:01:25.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Google Chrome web browser,""" start="00:01:30.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's very good for speech-to-text""" start="00:01:33.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very easy to learn how to use.""" start="00:01:36.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has some speech-to-commands.""" start="00:01:39.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, Talon Voice is much better""" start="00:01:42.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the speech-to-commands,""" start="00:01:44.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's also great at speech-to-code.""" start="00:01:47.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Motivations""" start="00:01:53.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The motivations are, obviously, as I mentioned already,""" start="00:01:53.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for improved productivity.""" start="00:01:57.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, if you're a fast typist""" start="00:01:59.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who types faster than they can speak,""" start="00:02:00.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then nonetheless you might still benefit""" start="00:02:05.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from voice computing when you grow tired of""" start="00:02:07.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the keyboard. 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And you've seen how,""" start="00:17:21.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by opening up projects by voice commands,""" start="00:17:26.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can reduce friction""" start="00:17:29.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of restarting work on a project.""" start="00:17:31.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've seen how Voice In is preferred""" start="00:17:36.660" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for more accurate dictation.""" start="00:17:40.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think my error rate is about 1 to 2 percent.""" start="00:17:44.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, 1 to 2 out of 100 words are incorrect""" start="00:17:48.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versus Talon Voice where I think""" start="00:17:53.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the error rate is closer to 5 percent.""" start="00:17:56.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have put together [a library of English] contractions""" start="00:18:00.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[and their expansion] for Talon [too],""" start="00:18:03.508" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they can be found here on GitHub.""" start="00:18:04.881" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also have [posted] a quiz of 600 questions""" start="00:18:07.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about some basic Talon commands.""" start="00:18:12.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Acknowledgements""" start="00:18:17.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""I'd like to thank the people who've helped me out""" start="00:18:17.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Talon Slack channel""" start="00:18:21.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and members of the Oklahoma Data Science Workshop""" start="00:18:22.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I gave an hour-long talk on this topic""" start="00:18:25.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""several weeks ago.""" start="00:18:29.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to thank my friends""" start="00:18:30.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the Berlin and Austin Emacs Meetup""" start="00:18:34.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and at the M-x research Slack channel.""" start="00:18:37.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I thank these grant funding agencies""" start="00:18:42.660" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for supporting my work. I'll be happy to take any questions.""" start="00:18:45.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<a name="voice-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Dictation.""" start="00:00:00.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right. All right I think we are live now.""" start="00:00:06.020" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The stream is here. 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Sure.""" start="00:00:28.779" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks.""" start="00:00:29.220" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well, for the purpose of breaking the ice a""" start="00:00:58.380" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little bit, I can provide a live""" start="00:01:01.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""demonstration of the use of this Voice In""" start="00:01:03.840" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plugin for Google Chrome.""" start="00:01:06.300" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have, let's see, say new sentence.""" start="00:01:11.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm on a website that is called 750 words.""" start="00:01:20.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It provides a text area where without any""" start="00:01:25.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other distracting icons for the purpose of""" start="00:01:30.580" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing and I'm using it for the purpose of""" start="00:01:34.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capturing my words that I'm dictating and I""" start="00:01:38.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have enabled the Voice In plugin by hitting""" start="00:01:42.979" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the option L command. New sentence.""" start="00:01:48.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it interpreted that command new sentence""" start="00:01:54.479" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though I didn't pronounce it correctly,""" start="00:01:56.260" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a pretty good demonstration of its""" start="00:01:59.440" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""accuracy. New sentence.""" start="00:02:00.920" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops, that didn't work.""" start="00:02:06.420" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Undo. New sentence. So new sentence is a""" start="00:02:15.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""combination of 2 commands,""" start="00:02:16.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""period and new line. 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I like to keep the sentences""" start="00:03:50.600" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unwrapped in that fashion because that""" start="00:03:53.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""greatly eases the rewriting phase.""" start="00:03:56.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm almost have sort of a hybrid reverse""" start="00:04:01.120" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""outlining approach by doing that.""" start="00:04:03.160" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""New sentence. Looks like I have gotten ahead""" start="00:04:14.340" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of it a bit and it has not kept up.""" start="00:04:18.079" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But generally, it does keep up pretty well.""" start="00:04:21.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Nice. 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Thank you. I think we have at least""" start="00:12:25.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another 2 or 3 minutes.""" start="00:12:26.580" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if folks have any other questions Please""" start="00:12:29.100" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to post them on the pad and I'll""" start="00:12:31.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""check IRC now as well.""" start="00:12:32.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, so I see 1 question on IRC asking,""" start="00:12:44.340" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are any of these voice command slash""" start="00:12:47.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dictating dictation tools free Libre""" start="00:12:49.600" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software? 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The way the how the function.""" start="01:04:54.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reasons to use emacs is to use the keyboard""" start="01:05:03.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is. 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Well, thank you very much.""" start="01:06:14.960" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enjoy the rest of the meeting.""" start="01:06:17.760" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Will do.""" start="01:06:19.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20voice%3A%20Enhancing%20productivity%20with%20voice%20computing) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/voice-before.md b/2023/info/voice-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6f5b9b90 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/voice-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 19-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: TO_INDEX_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="voice-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="voice-mainVideo" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:37.400 Three activities in voice computing +01:02.560 Talk is not about ... and about ... +01:53.520 Motivations +03:33.240 Data +03:58.680 Voice In in the Chrome Store +04:25.628 Works in web pages with text areas +05:16.880 Built-in commands in Voice In Plus +06:41.740 Common errors made by Voice In +08:14.760 Custom speech-to-text commands +09:59.420 Custom speech-to-commands +10:37.540 Introducing Talon Voice +12:28.400 Talon GUI +14:02.540 Talon file with web scope +15:34.015 Terminals on remote and virtual machines +16:52.500 Recommendations +18:17.720 Acknowledgements + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 18:49 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.opus">Download --main.opus (9MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.webm">Download --main.webm (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/vYHj7iSYhUbTxDv93NvzzY">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="voice-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/voice-nav.md b/2023/info/voice-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9fedf97e --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/voice-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/matplotllm">MatplotLLM, iterative natural language data visualization in org-babel</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/llm">LLM clients in Emacs, functionality and standardization</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/web-after.md b/2023/info/web-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..96ebb81b --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/web-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,850 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="web-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Overview""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, I am Yuchen, and I will be talking about""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how Emacs may be used to save user freedom on the web.""" start="00:00:03.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will begin by describing the background issues,""" start="00:00:06.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by solutions outside of Emacs.""" start="00:00:09.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will move into the main business of describing""" start="00:00:12.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""several ways to address the issues using Emacs,""" start="00:00:14.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including free clients in Emacs, web browsers,""" start="00:00:17.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also known as universal clients in Emacs,""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""approaches using Emacs web server and Emacs web framework,""" start="00:00:23.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which allows one to write an Emacs package""" start="00:00:27.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a web app for free,""" start="00:00:29.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as using Emacs as a Firefox extension.""" start="00:00:30.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Background problems""" start="00:00:35.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""OK, let's now move on to""" start="00:00:35.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the background issues for this topic.""" start="00:00:37.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many of you probably already know what is free software.""" start="00:00:39.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is software that respects four user freedoms,""" start="00:00:42.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including freedom 0, which is the freedom to use,""" start="00:00:45.481" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""freedom 1 is the freedom to study and modify a program,""" start="00:00:49.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""freedom 2 is the freedom to""" start="00:00:52.279" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""distribute exact copies of a program,""" start="00:00:54.488" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and freedom 3 is the freedom to distribute modified copies.""" start="00:00:57.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Different environments have different norms""" start="00:01:01.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with regards to user freedom.""" start="00:01:04.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, GNU/Linux distributions""" start="00:01:06.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""default to free software,""" start="00:01:11.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though the official kernel Linux""" start="00:01:13.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contains non-free code, like non-free firmware.""" start="00:01:15.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean is, people generally expect free software""" start="00:01:18.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in these environments.""" start="00:01:23.060" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's plenty of free software""" start="00:01:25.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built on other free software,""" start="00:01:27.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so generally people can accomplish tasks""" start="00:01:29.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free software only.""" start="00:01:31.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, by comparison, is even better.""" start="00:01:33.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has freedom built-in, as it is highly customizable""" start="00:01:37.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with self-documenting configurations.""" start="00:01:41.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When a Lisp form is evaluated by the user in Emacs,""" start="00:01:44.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the change is instantly reflected in the environment.""" start="00:01:49.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thus, it converts users to hackers effortlessly.""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From writing setq statements,""" start="00:01:56.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is similar to configurations""" start="00:01:58.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the majority of other programs,""" start="00:02:00.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to writing functions,""" start="00:02:01.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are building blocks of Elisp features,""" start="00:02:03.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to writing features and publishing packages,""" start="00:02:05.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is a natural progression.""" start="00:02:08.140" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this sense, Emacs perhaps has""" start="00:02:10.099" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most gentle learning 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start="00:02:39.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""default to Expat license,""" start="00:02:42.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is also commonly known as the MIT license,""" start="00:02:45.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a lax permissive license that could be exploited""" start="00:02:49.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as developers could write non-free derivatives""" start="00:02:53.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and subjugate user freedom.""" start="00:02:55.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This also contributes to the JavaScript trap.""" start="00:02:59.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most popular web browsers nowadays simply download and run""" start="00:03:03.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any JavaScript code 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video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while disabling JavaScript.""" start="00:03:34.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other camp takes a more principled position""" start="00:03:38.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and says JavaScript is unnecessary.""" start="00:03:42.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, people use the web mainly for""" start="00:03:44.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""database-like operations""" start="00:03:47.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to interact with data stored on other people's computers,""" start="00:03:48.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like querying, creating, updating, deleting.""" start="00:03:51.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, 99% of the things happen in getting data,""" start="00:03:55.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including reading news, watching videos,""" start="00:03:58.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""downloading images, etc.,""" start="00:04:01.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and posting data, including publishing""" start="00:04:03.340" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this sort of materials, publishing news comments, videos.""" start="00:04:06.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why does this need any programs""" start="00:04:10.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do funny computations, right?""" start="00:04:12.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Modern web browsers are also a pain to use.""" start="00:04:16.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are the opposite to Emacs""" start="00:04:19.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of customization capabilities.""" start="00:04:21.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Such problems on the client side""" start="00:04:26.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the main focus of this talk.""" start="00:04:29.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the server side, the issue is known as SaaSS,""" start="00:04:31.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""service as a software substitute.""" start="00:04:34.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is about doing computing for users""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on other people's computers,""" start="00:04:42.421" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which the user has no visibility, let alone control.""" start="00:04:44.541" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""that tackle these problems.""" start="00:05:36.401" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are generally two ways to fix this issue.""" start="00:05:39.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is blocking non-free JavaScript,""" start="00:05:42.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the other is substituting with free programs.""" start="00:05:45.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with blocking.""" start="00:05:48.980" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LibreJS, for example, is a Firefox extension""" start="00:05:50.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocking non-free, non-trivial JavaScript.""" start="00:05:54.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works by intercepting, filtering""" start="00:05:56.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""to reduce the scenarios""" start="00:06:28.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I need to load web pages with JavaScript in Firefox,""" start="00:06:30.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like using a text browser like Lynx.""" start="00:06:35.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there's also NoScript, which is like LibreJS,""" start="00:06:40.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it blocks all scripts, whether free or non-free, +trivial or non-trivial.""" start="00:06:44.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the problem with blocking is that""" start="00:06:49.500" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocking with certain scripts and accepting others,""" start="00:06:54.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are like... 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video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good for archiving, making use of Emacs libraries,""" start="00:10:06.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extensibility, thanks to Emacs' own""" start="00:10:09.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extensibility and customizability.""" start="00:10:12.489" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Examples include mastodon.el for mastodon,""" start="00:10:15.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or mastorg for viewing and archiving toots with org,""" start="00:10:18.620" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sx for Stack Exchange, buildbot.el for buildbot, etc.""" start="00:10:22.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's an example of mastorg displaying""" start="00:10:28.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hierarchy of a toot in org.""" start="00:10:31.901" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just wait. Right.""" start="00:10:34.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the toot itself, this is a first reply,""" start="00:10:39.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a reply to the reply, and so on.""" start="00:10:44.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here is an example of""" start="00:10:48.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""opening a Stack Exchange link using sx.""" start="00:10:53.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check out the tag.""" start="00:11:05.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can browse the Stack Exchange Emacs site +with ease.""" start="00:11:11.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea is quite simple.""" start="00:11:28.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just use APIs to get data and display it in Emacs,""" start="00:11:31.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just to scrape, like requesting HTML and processing it.""" start="00:11:35.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An example of scraping is hnreader,""" start="00:11:40.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which scrapes Hacker News web pages""" start="00:11:44.180" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and renders them in Org buffers.""" start="00:11:47.299" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's how hnreader fetches""" start="00:11:49.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and displays the Hacker News front page.""" start="00:11:52.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And one could go into the comments,""" start="00:11:58.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows a similar hierarchy to mastorg's output.""" start="00:12:04.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, there are limitations for this method,""" start="00:12:14.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not limited to Emacs.""" start="00:12:19.001" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are basically limitations""" start="00:12:22.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any ad hoc bespoke clients,""" start="00:12:24.522" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is catch-up games with remote server,""" start="00:12:28.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which may change the API interface endpoints""" start="00:12:31.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even structure of the responses.""" start="00:12:34.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This brings us to web browsers in Emacs.""" start="00:12:37.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Web browsers in Emacs""" start="00:12:43.021" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Web browsers are universal clients""" start="00:12:43.021" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because all sites support browsers.""" start="00:12:45.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in a world of no JavaScript,""" start="00:12:47.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be no need to write bespoke clients.""" start="00:12:48.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In such a world,""" start="00:12:52.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of using JavaScript code to fetch JSON,""" start="00:12:53.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""web developers make server do the heavy lifting""" start="00:12:56.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just send the complete HTML over.""" start="00:13:00.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, back to reality.""" start="00:13:02.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EWW, the default Emacs browser,""" start="00:13:05.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what people refer to as a text browser,""" start="00:13:07.660" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it is not text only and it supports images too.""" start="00:13:11.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a good solid browser that supports forms, etc.""" start="00:13:16.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The downside is that it does not support CSS,""" start="00:13:20.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the formatting could be a bit ugly sometimes.""" start="00:13:24.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are some other browsers in Emacs too,""" start="00:13:28.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like emacs-w3m, which is backed by w3m,""" start="00:13:30.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Luwak, which is backed by Lynx.""" start="00:13:34.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry for the naming, by the way.""" start="00:13:36.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They often consist of a backend""" start="00:13:39.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that fetches URL and parses HTML.""" start="00:13:41.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the built-in URL package""" start="00:13:44.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the libxml2 binding in Emacs are decent enough.""" start="00:13:47.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the frontend that renders the HTML,""" start="00:13:50.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like shr or lynx, etc.""" start="00:13:53.189" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is also an xwidget-webkit,""" start="00:13:56.699" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this browser executes JavaScript,""" start="00:14:04.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it does not really help in this case.""" start="00:14:07.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Browser extensions on Emacs are effortless,""" start="00:14:10.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as they can be written as Emacs packages.""" start="00:14:14.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, one could easily write""" start="00:14:17.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elisp scripts with similar functionalities""" start="00:14:19.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to libredirect and openwith""" start="00:14:21.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to redirect links, to rewrite URLs,""" start="00:14:24.922" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or to open, say, a YouTube URL with MPV,""" start="00:14:30.181" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with even more flexibility.""" start="00:14:37.061" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, here's how one could""" start="00:14:39.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transform a Zoom link to a dial-in number""" start="00:14:41.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it is easier to join a Zoom meeting""" start="00:14:44.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without running non-free JavaScript.""" start="00:14:47.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This might still be bad for privacy,""" start="00:14:50.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but at least it's good for freedom.""" start="00:14:53.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As mentioned before,""" start="00:14:58.699" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one shortcoming of these Emacs-based browsers,""" start="00:15:00.379" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs web browsers, is no support for CSS,""" start="00:15:03.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the formatting could leave a lot to be desired.""" start="00:15:08.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe someone would write""" start="00:15:11.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs browser package backed by wkhtmltopdf,""" start="00:15:12.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, when opening a URL,""" start="00:15:17.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it calls wkhtmltopdf to convert the web page to PDF""" start="00:15:20.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and opens in, say, pdf-view-mode of the pdf-tools,""" start="00:15:26.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thus containing formatting,""" start="00:15:29.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the URL clicks resolve to the same actions.""" start="00:15:31.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, wkhtmltopdf contains a flag that disables JavaScript.""" start="00:15:34.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another idea would be to use Firefox""" start="00:15:43.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a processor to fetch URLs.""" start="00:15:45.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe it can be used to pass back the HTML""" start="00:15:50.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after executing free JavaScript,""" start="00:15:54.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, if Firefox has LibreJS installed.""" start="00:15:56.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This requires Firefox to send back the DOM,""" start="00:16:01.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which could be achieved using native messaging.""" start="00:16:05.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More on that later.""" start="00:16:08.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alternatively, one could also write a Firefox extension""" start="00:16:09.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that sends the DOM in an existing tab back to Emacs.""" start="00:16:14.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thinking more about it,""" start="00:16:17.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think this is actually a useful idea,""" start="00:16:20.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because most of the sites that work under LibreJS""" start="00:16:23.059" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also are useful when all JavaScript is blocked.""" start="00:16:27.139" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this means these sites are viewable""" start="00:16:34.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under EWW, Luwak, etc.""" start="00:16:37.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And another issue is that""" start="00:16:42.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this could also make running non-free JavaScript easier,""" start="00:16:43.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is harmful to user freedom.""" start="00:16:46.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - overview""" start="00:16:52.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""OK, let's move on to the idea""" start="00:16:52.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of running Emacs as a web server,""" start="00:16:54.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that Emacs client packages are web apps""" start="00:16:55.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""serving as alternative frontends.""" start="00:16:58.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why would we want to do this?""" start="00:17:00.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, as much as one wants to be always in Emacs,""" start="00:17:02.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is not always feasible.""" start="00:17:06.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, one may be on the go""" start="00:17:08.340" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and needs to look up something on the phone.""" start="00:17:10.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, Emacs client packages""" start="00:17:12.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are just alternative frontends""" start="00:17:14.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but written in Elisp and run in Emacs.""" start="00:17:16.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With the help of emacs-web-server package,""" start="00:17:18.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can access Emacs packages on the web.""" start="00:17:20.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs-web-server package is not something new,""" start="00:17:23.580" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but seems to be underused in the community somehow.""" start="00:17:26.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - hello emacs!""" start="00:17:30.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""OK, let's start with a simple example called hello-emacs.""" start="00:17:30.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is pretty straightforward.""" start="00:17:33.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just require the web server feature""" start="00:17:35.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run ws-start to start a server process""" start="00:17:38.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and send the string "hello emacs"""" start="00:17:41.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the process regardless of the request.""" start="00:17:43.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, it is going to be available""" start="00:17:45.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at port 9000 of localhost.""" start="00:17:48.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try it out.""" start="00:17:51.319" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need to first evaluate this code block.""" start="00:17:53.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it works.""" start="00:18:01.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To stop a server, just run ws-stop on the web server object.""" start="00:18:03.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's evaluate.""" start="00:18:10.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep, it stopped.""" start="00:18:14.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - yolo""" start="00:18:17.580" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""OK, now let's move on to something funny""" start="00:18:17.580" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you should never run on the public web.""" start="00:18:20.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I call it yolo.el.""" start="00:18:22.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses htmlize""" start="00:18:23.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make any Emacs buffer available on the web.""" start="00:18:25.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try it out.""" start="00:18:28.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just require the thing and start the server by yolo-start.""" start="00:18:29.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:19:00.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is something we will revisit later.""" start="00:19:05.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, to show an arbitrary buffer,""" start="00:19:10.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just use the buffer name as a path.""" start="00:19:15.481" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the slide has the buffer named web.org,""" start="00:19:20.081" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can display it.""" start="00:19:24.861" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try something fancier,""" start="00:19:34.581" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the man page of ffmpeg.""" start="00:19:36.941" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the man page of ffmpeg.""" start="00:19:40.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the buffer name is a bit more complicated.""" start="00:19:45.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have the URL available here.""" start="00:19:48.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's missing a star.""" start="00:19:59.140" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty neat if you ask me.""" start="00:20:05.980" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, yeah, what else?""" start="00:20:12.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, we can also browse EWW in Firefox.""" start="00:20:14.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, let's check out gnu.org,""" start="00:20:22.700" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and note that the buffer name is EWW with stars.""" start="00:20:30.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, ah, it works.""" start="00:20:39.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has all the graphics even.""" start="00:20:41.979" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, how about we do it the other way around?""" start="00:20:50.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we load the current slide web.org using this funny thing.""" start="00:20:55.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it works.""" start="00:21:10.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not as nice as the Org buffer, though.""" start="00:21:14.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, and now that gives me some funny idea.""" start="00:21:19.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm a firm believer that memes are meant to be enjoyed""" start="00:21:27.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in silence rather than read out loud.""" start="00:21:31.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will jump straight to trying this idea,""" start="00:21:33.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is loading the EWW buffer URL with EWW itself.""" start="00:21:38.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Loading, loading, loading.""" start="00:21:49.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Spoiler alert, it never loads.""" start="00:21:53.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that concludes the demo.""" start="00:21:59.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so we can stop the server, web server, with `yolo-stop`.""" start="00:22:03.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one could extend yolo to serve arbitrary Emacs commands,""" start="00:22:06.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it even more 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start="00:22:53.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And enforce preferred colorscheme in Firefox,""" start="00:22:56.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since htmlize, as you have noticed,""" start="00:23:00.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""faithfully reflects the theme used in Emacs.""" start="00:23:02.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - emacs web framework""" start="00:23:07.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Okay, so we know that yolo is unsafe""" start="00:23:07.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and needs to be refined.""" start="00:23:10.339" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, we don't necessarily want""" start="00:23:11.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run Emacs on a web browser.""" start="00:23:13.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After all, a modern web browser is""" start="00:23:15.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something one has to fight all the time""" start="00:23:17.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and should be avoided whenever possible.""" start="00:23:19.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to instead be able to access things""" start="00:23:21.601" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when forced to be in a web browser,""" start="00:23:24.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which case only the motivations""" start="00:23:26.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of an alternative frontend apply.""" start="00:23:28.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moreover, the ideal situation is an Emacs web framework,""" start="00:23:31.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a tool that automatically""" start="00:23:35.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transforms Emacs packages to web apps,""" start="00:23:36.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that one does not need to write extra code""" start="00:23:39.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get a web app that does the same thing as the package.""" start="00:23:41.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also need all links in the web pages to work.""" start="00:23:45.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As noted before, the links on the yolo Emacs splash screen""" start="00:23:49.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do not work.""" start="00:23:52.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here's a proof-of-concept example. It's called bom.el.""" start="00:23:53.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gets some weather forecast data""" start="00:23:58.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology""" start="00:24:00.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and displays it in an org buffer.""" start="00:24:03.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's try it out. One could do `M-x bom`,""" start="00:24:05.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows an org buffer with links to each state.""" start="00:24:09.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So based in Melbourne, naturally,""" start="00:24:15.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to find out the weather of Victoria.""" start="00:24:17.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yes, to execute this command. Wait, wait, wait. Right.""" start="00:24:21.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we are at a buffer that shows""" start="00:24:27.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the weather forecast of the whole of Victoria""" start="00:24:33.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the hierarchy. Note that this back button""" start="00:24:36.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""takes you to the previous page.""" start="00:24:39.479" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here are the regions of Victoria.""" start="00:24:46.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Melbourne is in Central.""" start="00:24:47.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, it shows""" start="00:24:53.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the seven-day weather forecast of Melbourne.""" start="00:24:54.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also reach this page by running,""" start="00:24:57.260" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's see, directly `M-x bom-state`.""" start="00:25:00.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vic.""" start="00:25:08.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK. So this works.""" start="00:25:13.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is bom as an Emacs package.""" start="00:25:18.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's check out bom as a web app""" start="00:25:21.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transformed by Emacs web framework.""" start="00:25:23.981" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So start the web server with bom-start.""" start="00:25:28.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's try it out. It's at 9000 again.""" start="00:25:33.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. Invalid path. Oh, that's because""" start="00:25:39.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes exactly one command to one path.""" start="00:25:42.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So remember that we used the bom command""" start="00:25:46.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to show the landing page.""" start="00:25:49.301" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we need the bom in the path as well.""" start="00:25:50.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it shows the same landing page, except in HTML.""" start="00:25:54.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check out Victoria weather forecast as before.""" start="00:26:00.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it shows an HTML converted from the org buffer""" start="00:26:07.260" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using ox export HTML, whatever.""" start="00:26:12.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see even the back button is here.""" start="00:26:17.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That takes you to /bom.""" start="00:26:20.359" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's have a look at Melbourne. Here it is.""" start="00:26:26.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hooray, it works.""" start="00:26:29.140" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, as usual,""" start="00:26:31.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can stop the web server with `M-x bom-stop`.""" start="00:26:33.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. And alternatively,""" start="00:26:40.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can also be deployed directly in terminal""" start="00:26:43.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a dedicated Emacs daemon.""" start="00:26:48.500" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see that there's a one-one correspondence""" start="00:26:56.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the Emacs package interface and the web interface.""" start="00:26:58.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that implies some restrictions to the Emacs package""" start="00:27:03.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Emacs web framework to be able to do its job. Right.""" start="00:27:06.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the package needs to have an Org interface""" start="00:27:09.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the links that trigger other commands""" start="00:27:13.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to be in Elisp links""" start="00:27:15.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the Emacs web framework""" start="00:27:17.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can translate it to web server URL path.""" start="00:27:20.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Note that Emacs web server framework is not a real package.""" start="00:27:24.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote some functions in bom.el serving the purpose,""" start="00:27:28.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they should be separated out eventually""" start="00:27:33.340" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without much trouble.""" start="00:27:35.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One could get weather forecast""" start="00:27:37.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without running JavaScript anyway,""" start="00:27:40.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes bom.el less important""" start="00:27:42.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an alternative web client.""" start="00:27:45.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Though it does provide, dare I say,""" start="00:27:48.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a clean and minimal interface""" start="00:27:50.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compared to common weather forecast web pages.""" start="00:27:52.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other more relevant use cases could be Mastodon,""" start="00:27:55.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose official web client requires JavaScript""" start="00:27:58.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to display a post.""" start="00:28:01.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The mastorg package that shows an Org hierarchy of toots""" start="00:28:03.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rooted as a given toot could be a low-hanging fruit.""" start="00:28:08.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The limitation of Org interface requirements""" start="00:28:12.179" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can also be relaxed in further work,""" start="00:28:15.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if one could extend Emacs web framework""" start="00:28:17.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to translate back and forth between Emacs widgets,""" start="00:28:21.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, including buttons and web page widgets,""" start="00:28:24.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including links.""" start="00:28:28.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another more far-fetched idea would be""" start="00:28:30.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to translate to other types of interfaces,""" start="00:28:32.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like GNU/Linux or Android GUI.""" start="00:28:35.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How about animations? Say, M-x butterfly,""" start="00:28:44.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even web games from Emacs games?""" start="00:28:47.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Possibilities are unlimited in this, as always, in Emacs.""" start="00:28:54.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also noticed some limitations""" start="00:29:00.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when trying to actually host bom.el on the public web.""" start="00:29:03.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Given the limited access to the Emacs server,""" start="00:29:07.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was comfortable enough to give bom.el a go""" start="00:29:13.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to serve it on the public web.""" start="00:29:16.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, I immediately stopped""" start="00:29:18.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after noticing how slow it is.""" start="00:29:20.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can take more than 30 seconds""" start="00:29:22.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to load a page of weather forecast for a state.""" start="00:29:24.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am also not sure how many simultaneous connections""" start="00:29:27.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can handle.""" start="00:29:31.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In any case, I think the package emacs-web-server""" start="00:29:32.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could do with some performance enhancement.""" start="00:29:36.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Firefox with emacs for extensions""" start="00:29:40.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Right. Because of the time constraints,""" start="00:29:40.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will briefly touch one final idea,""" start="00:29:44.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is to use Emacs as a Firefox browser extension.""" start="00:29:45.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We already have org-protocol,""" start="00:29:50.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which allows Firefox to communicate""" start="00:29:52.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a running Emacs server""" start="00:29:54.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by sending an org-protocol URL to the latter.""" start="00:29:55.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be used not just for capturing or storing links,""" start="00:29:59.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to execute arbitrary code on any component of the URL.""" start="00:30:03.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, it is fire and forget,""" start="00:30:10.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs cannot tell Firefox what to do.""" start="00:30:11.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There may be a length restriction, too.""" start="00:30:16.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Firefox may not be able to send back""" start="00:30:17.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the whole DOM.""" start="00:30:20.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This claim needs to be verified, though.""" start="00:30:22.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Native messaging is one solution to this problem.""" start="00:30:26.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a two-way communication channel""" start="00:30:30.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between a Firefox web extension and a local system process""" start="00:30:31.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""started by the web extension.""" start="00:30:35.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The process could be an Emacs server,""" start="00:30:37.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which would make Emacs effectively""" start="00:30:40.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Firefox web browser extension.""" start="00:30:42.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, Elisp would be the main extension language,""" start="00:30:48.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than JavaScript.""" start="00:30:52.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, JavaScript is still needed at the Firefox end""" start="00:30:53.620" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the communication channel.""" start="00:30:56.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a simple example of this idea,""" start="00:30:59.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Firefox could ask Emacs to redirect a URL""" start="00:31:01.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by removing tracking and using alternative frontend, etc.""" start="00:31:04.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, I was not able to implement this""" start="00:31:08.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to some tricky business""" start="00:31:12.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with enforcing synchronicity""" start="00:31:14.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allows the web extension""" start="00:31:15.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to wait for responses from Emacs.""" start="00:31:17.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some further work, I suppose.""" start="00:31:20.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Thank you""" start="00:31:25.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""That concludes my talk.""" start="00:31:25.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your attention.""" start="00:31:28.254" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: ken + +<a name="web-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 2 seconds. And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:04.740" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi Yuchen, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:05.980" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'm gonna just walk off.""" start="00:00:08.720" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if I... Yeah,""" start="00:00:10.840" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, brain not working well at this""" start="00:00:13.440" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moment. How about you?""" start="00:00:14.660" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Well, mine is about to get fried because""" start="00:00:18.420" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf is a very taxing process and I can""" start="00:00:21.040" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tell you we could have a race to know who's""" start="00:00:24.599" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more more tired right now between you and""" start="00:00:26.720" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""myself but I guess we'll find out at the end""" start="00:00:29.480" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, sounds good.""" start="00:00:32.080" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: of the Q&A. And thank you for...""" start="00:00:34.200" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How late or how early I should say is it for""" start="00:00:37.760" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you right now? It should be like 6am or""" start="00:00:39.480" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thanks. It's 7.45 but I normally get up at""" start="00:00:43.860" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like 8.30 or something.""" start="00:00:45.020" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: something? 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At least try it.""" start="00:11:02.860" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so quoting, I find the JavaScript trap""" start="00:11:05.208" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""almost impossible to avoid since I like to""" start="00:11:06.680" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""buy used stuff online and use my online bank.""" start="00:11:10.360" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you deal with a JavaScript trap?""" start="00:11:13.140" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use NoScript and compromise on a few things""" start="00:11:15.400" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really feel I cannot live without.""" start="00:11:16.760" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EWW is nice for a lot of things,""" start="00:11:19.080" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially with R for less noise,""" start="00:11:21.260" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I need Firefox for those GS and trapped""" start="00:11:23.760" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pages. So do you have a quick answer to this?""" start="00:11:25.760" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I don't have a good answer,""" start="00:11:29.500" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have a quick answer.""" start="00:11:30.640" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I use VPN and like a more,""" start="00:11:38.140" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do you call it, move out the Swedish VPN""" start="00:11:41.680" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""browser, move out browser.""" start="00:11:43.480" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so I unfortunately I have to use""" start="00:11:48.960" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""JavaScript in these cases as well,""" start="00:11:50.660" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I try to minimize the use of these""" start="00:11:53.800" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things.""" start="00:11:54.020" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: How long do you think it will take for us to""" start="00:11:56.920" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""save the world with Emacs,""" start="00:11:58.140" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or save the web at least?""" start="00:11:59.340" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""5 years, 10 years, maybe a little less than""" start="00:12:01.360" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this?""" start="00:12:01.560" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well I think it's, unfortunately it's""" start="00:12:06.600" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably independent of Emacs,""" start="00:12:08.300" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like it will only be saved when,""" start="00:12:12.180" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like it's saved on like the normal,""" start="00:12:14.860" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more popular browsers like Firefox.""" start="00:12:18.960" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have no clue how long it will take for,""" start="00:12:23.680" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, for example,""" start="00:12:25.120" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tala to pick up so that you can buy things""" start="00:12:28.660" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without running JavaScript.""" start="00:12:30.020" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Right. Well, I guess we'll have to cross our""" start="00:12:33.220" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fingers then for Firefox to save the world.""" start="00:12:35.380" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right Yuchen, we're about out of time,""" start="00:12:37.260" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're moving on to the next talk in 20""" start="00:12:38.800" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seconds. Thank you so much for your""" start="00:12:40.200" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation and for waking up early and""" start="00:12:41.940" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answering the question,""" start="00:12:42.540" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can tell you, you were very alert and""" start="00:12:44.820" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""definitely more energetic than I was.""" start="00:12:47.020" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, see you later.""" start="00:12:52.600" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thank you. See you.""" start="00:12:53.940" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Bye. And we go to the next talk right now.""" start="00:12:58.400" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You are currently""" start="00:13:02.620" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:13:15.260" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/web-nav.md b/2023/info/web-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0afd6a12 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/web-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/mentor">Mentoring VS-Coders as an Emacsian (or How to show not tell people about the wonders of Emacs)</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sharing">Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs: Emacs education and why I embraced video</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/windows-after.md b/2023/info/windows-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4d8d8729 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/windows-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1260 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="windows-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""Oh, wow, how exciting. Well, maybe I should share something then. Um, well, thank you very much and welcome to uh""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Welcome to my talk i'm a little distracted here""" start="00:00:11.440" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a friend who came over and just brought me a whole bunch of peanut butter cups homemade peanut butter cups""" start="00:00:13.760" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe i'll show those off. Uh""" start="00:00:20.080" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later""" start="00:00:22.320" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, what okay here, uh, put it right there""" start="00:00:23.360" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All good stuff""" start="00:00:30.960" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so i'm going to uh get over to my planned uh stuff i'm sharing here""" start="00:00:33.920" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully""" start="00:00:41.340" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, and and we'll jump jump right in because i'm gonna need as much time as I can possibly have today""" start="00:00:42.880" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks so much for uh joining me for emacs conference and for""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially for""" start="00:00:54.620" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um""" start="00:00:56.480" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of you who who participated, you know in the discussions contributing talks and""" start="00:00:57.600" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, you know, uh, you know, including running the copy the the and it's just so much fun to be here, um""" start="00:01:03.520" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess while i'm standing here and and saying stuff that's that i'm gonna have to""" start="00:01:11.040" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcribe because I didn't uh prepare a""" start="00:01:16.620" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recorded version""" start="00:01:20.560" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I had a lot of trouble trimming this down so I can solve that problem by just talking a lot at the beginning""" start="00:01:22.080" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about other stuff, um""" start="00:01:28.960" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in addition to the thanks I just want to say thanks also to the""" start="00:01:33.200" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Folks on the development list that helped me kind of come up to speed on this. I won't make a big list here. 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Let's see if I can freehand it.""" start="00:24:27.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not going to do it. Uh,""" start="00:24:36.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay.""" start="00:24:40.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I beg your pardon. I'm grabbing a URL from the internet.""" start="00:24:52.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, okay. Yeah, I can, I can honestly, I can freehand it, whatever. Okay. Sorry. I, uh,""" start="00:25:00.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't have that bookmarked in all handy. Like I thought I did. Um, so we'll just say""" start="00:25:07.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ftp.gnu.org slash, uh, what is it? Pub emacs, emacs-29.1, uh, .org.gnu.org.exe.""" start="00:25:13.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really think I'd have this command sitting around. It makes me want to scrap the whole""" start="00:25:30.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""demo. I'm not going to lie. Okay. How am I doing? Um, I think at least 15 minutes. Um,""" start="00:25:47.040" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in the command that you were freehanding, should the pub be GNU instead?""" start="00:25:54.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, thanks. I'm sorry.""" start="00:25:59.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go. Thank you. All right. 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I'm going to go take that into my own""" start="00:40:46.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""open source, or yeah, maybe they would, the jerks, um, into my own open source project.""" start="00:40:51.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, um, you know, off they go, uh, and that needs to be possible.""" start="00:40:56.880" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, so, um, beyond that, the rest of this is, is really detailed that you find covered in the GNU""" start="00:41:04.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers manual. Um, this is the, the current set of Windows binaries that, um, it's busily""" start="00:41:12.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working on creating a like for like a mirror to behind the scenes here is called a 29.1 underscore""" start="00:41:19.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two. 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Um, and what you did see, unless it was provided by the operating""" start="00:44:36.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system in my presentation today, was all, uh, free software with the debatable exception of""" start="00:44:43.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""NSYS, which styles itself as open source, maybe for, uh, marketing reasons.""" start="00:44:49.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, uh, in any case, uh, certainly we can get all that source.""" start="00:44:56.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the note, Corin. It's good to know that, uh, building or, uh, yeah, doing the build of Emacs""" start="00:45:08.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Windows on Windows can be done, uh, using only free software. Yeah, absolutely.""" start="00:45:14.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably the right closing note, right? Um, I just, uh, thanks again to the organizers for""" start="00:45:23.440" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bearing with me. And like, every time I was like, you guys, I'm terrible at this. They're just like,""" start="00:45:29.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no, you're doing fine. Keep going. You did a great job live last time. You can do it live,""" start="00:45:33.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, and, and saying all the right things to just, uh, encourage me to come back,""" start="00:45:38.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, this year and every year.""" start="00:45:43.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, as I said before, we were very lucky to have you and the rest of the team, of course,""" start="00:45:49.760" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well. And, um, goes without saying, but all the speakers and the audience, the participants as""" start="00:45:53.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well. So, um, so, uh, are we, we're still live over here that, you know, you know, me, I'm the""" start="00:45:59.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike Hogg that I am. I can't resist, um, throwing, throwing up another screen here. And, uh, in fact,""" start="00:46:14.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's go ahead and go back to our, to our crawler, right? And I'll bring back our build""" start="00:46:22.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it finishes and maybe we'll show making the installer as well. Um, uh, but I have the CPU""" start="00:46:32.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""account turned down a little bit here. Uh, note, I didn't specify minus J here. Um, so, uh, over""" start="00:46:40.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is my automation. Uh, in case you do want to take a look, I can at least provide the""" start="00:46:49.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""orientation of what you're looking at. Scrape log is probably my first thing I want to show off.""" start="00:46:54.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, it's not beautiful, but this works, uh, pretty well for me to get a sense of something might""" start="00:46:59.760" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have changed in terms of how many warnings or errors are happening when I build Emacs. So I""" start="00:47:08.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have this whole automation going on and I frequently want to answer the question,""" start="00:47:14.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, what's the change rate in, uh, warnings or what have you. So this kind of gives me a count""" start="00:47:19.280" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of that. Um, so from there, uh, accrued CI is the script we're watching run in the other pane.""" start="00:47:26.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, we can see it's, uh, just starting to do its thing again.""" start="00:47:37.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, uh, the make file I mentioned, this is a top-down rewrite of everything else that I've done.""" start="00:47:48.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has some bugs right now. Um, the, uh, the build distribution is the main script that I use for my""" start="00:47:57.040" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personal builds. This is what is run by the crude CI script. Uh, it has a fun tie-in to this, uh,""" start="00:48:08.640" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""web interface here, um, where we can, you don't need the port number when you go to it. That's""" start="00:48:17.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just if I'm going to post. Um, the, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This, this script is""" start="00:48:23.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really long and complicated and probably needs some diving into, but you can see that, um, one""" start="00:48:33.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the complexities I have to deal with is that I'm going to need something in the format of an""" start="00:48:39.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs-version for strategic, um, nsys reasons. So, uh, it takes care of kind of every complexity""" start="00:48:43.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I mentioned today in some respects, um, as does the make file. Build release is, um, another""" start="00:48:54.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fairly useful incarnation of this. This is just focused on the release process, and this does""" start="00:49:03.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""work, uh, for example, to create the, the, the, you know, like, like, well, I could like, uh,""" start="00:49:11.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for like files as far as I can tell. So what are currently posted for emacs 29.1 and the release""" start="00:49:18.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""candidate. Um, so I'll probably use that next time. And if it's still like, for like, I'll""" start="00:49:25.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably post the ones that came from this. Um, uh, building, uh, TreeSitter, I make some DLLs""" start="00:49:32.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there. If you're looking for hints on how to get going or just simply, uh, a huge long list""" start="00:49:40.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Git repositories that make grammars, you can use that is here as well. Um, finally, I mentioned""" start="00:49:47.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a, um, I have a website where I publish my own personal snapshots that I make, uh, that""" start="00:49:55.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folder full of install directories, but all of the usual GNU style binary distributables, including""" start="00:50:04.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the source code and the source code for the dependencies. Um, the, uh, so this program is""" start="00:50:11.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another one of those complicated find commands and therefore potentially the most useful thing""" start="00:50:22.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in here to take to you. Um, and here I'm deleting, uh, binaries older than 17 years. Uh, everything""" start="00:50:27.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except the, uh, node apps file and the sources of it you'll find on my website. Currently those""" start="00:50:34.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indefinitely, I'll probably roll out 120 days or something, um, for those eventually.""" start="00:50:42.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, uh, I can talk about this one even. Um, the, uh, so here you'll see the two branches that I'm""" start="00:50:53.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tracking. The job of this script is, uh, this runs on the website. I call it with a, like a remote""" start="00:51:00.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rsync, uh, type, uh, or an SSA remote, uh, SSH command. Um, and right after the rsync,""" start="00:51:06.560" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rsyncing up any new Emacs that I built. And, uh, it's, uh, it's job is to update my fancy""" start="00:51:15.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory indexing. So let's look at Corwin's website. Here's my Emacs 29 folder.""" start="00:51:26.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have about two more minutes, Corwin. Yeah. It'll take that entire two minutes to, uh,""" start="00:51:37.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load this directory because I am, because I have not yet ever pruned any of these dang binaries.""" start="00:51:50.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So every version of, uh, Emacs 29 that I've ever made for myself is probably here. Nice.""" start="00:51:56.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I strongly recommend that you bookmark this folder if you're using these for something and""" start="00:52:03.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you always want the latest. Um, so here, this particular, uh, latest 29, Emacs 29 latest,""" start="00:52:08.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or simply replace the 29 with 30 to get those. Uh, alas, no, no such luck for TreeSetter.""" start="00:52:14.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we look at, uh, that,""" start="00:52:23.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live this long without making a typo. Now look at me.""" start="00:52:36.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh-oh. Oh.""" start="00:52:40.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, um, you know, we can see the icon application and so on, even in the TreeSetter""" start="00:52:51.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folder. This is all I'm talking about, about the fanciness that's set up by that other script that""" start="00:52:56.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm showing over here and run after each time I run the upload. It just""" start="00:53:02.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looks to see if anything's new and add some lines to the .htaccess file.""" start="00:53:07.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I'm particularly proud of this one. I'm not going to lie. Um, linking out to each,""" start="00:53:15.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""each, uh, project that we're using, letting us know the commit version,""" start="00:53:22.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then, uh, for the DLLs, quick link out to the log and the signature file for this DLL. Um,""" start="00:53:26.560" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find that a lot, just a lot more readable than, uh, listing them all out individually. And I'd""" start="00:53:36.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""love to do something like that on the GNU site. So I'm, I think we've got to be out of time by""" start="00:53:46.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now. I've just got to say, hey, thanks again for having me, uh, for those that, uh, watch the talk""" start="00:53:53.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either live or after the conference. Uh, appreciate everyone's support to get me to""" start="00:53:59.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the point where I will be able to, uh, to do this, this, this cool volunteer task,""" start="00:54:04.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, which is fun and easy to do and reach out to me if you're interested in helping with it.""" start="00:54:10.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, awesome. Thanks a lot for the awesome talk, Corbyn. And, uh, of course, as a fellow""" start="00:54:18.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core, uh, core organizer, uh, for all, for all that you do, um, in and around Emacs Conf""" start="00:54:24.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course for, uh, GNU Emacs as well, it's much appreciated.""" start="00:54:29.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Big, big words from coming from you, my friend. Um, thanks for the kind words.""" start="00:54:36.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cheers. My pleasure. All right. And with that, I think we're gonna, uh, wrap up the dev, uh,""" start="00:54:45.040" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""track here and, uh, we'll be with you again shortly in a few minutes on the gen stream,""" start="00:54:49.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the gen track for the closing remarks for today, um, only for today, because we're going to be""" start="00:54:55.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back tomorrow again as well. So don't go anywhere and, uh, see you on the gen track in a bit.""" start="00:55:00.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh my God, I did it. We got done within the time. You're my hero. Um, and thank you so""" start="00:55:25.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much for just keeping me honest there and, uh, like helping me keep my eye on the time and such.""" start="00:55:32.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to look at the recording and see whether you feel like doing it again.""" start="00:55:41.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry. I had my sound screwed up and I'm sorry if I talked over somebody,""" start="00:55:56.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I couldn't hear anything on mumble until this very moment.""" start="00:55:59.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, uh, because he's your webcam for it. Um, like as a, like a virtual webcam thingy,""" start="00:56:03.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was low res, especially when things are changing as you're scrolling around. So we'll""" start="00:56:09.440" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see what kind of recording we can recover from it. And then you can decide whether you maybe""" start="00:56:15.760" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to clean it up with like screenshots. I recorded on this end too. We shouldn't have""" start="00:56:19.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that problem with my recording. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think we're still live on the""" start="00:56:26.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dev stream. Someone could, uh, take that off. Oh, yes. Because, uh, I'll, I'll set it to rebroadcast.""" start="00:56:30.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. I love doing that for the closing remarks. That's a fine tradition""" start="00:56:45.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or it's a tradition now. Cause I'm pretty sure this means we've done it twice.""" start="00:56:52.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I once heard that, you know, uh, as a fan-ish meaning like a fan-ish is a term of endearment""" start="00:57:01.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a science fiction fan to another. We say we're, we're fans or things we do are fan-ish and""" start="00:57:07.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a fan-ish tradition then is if you do it three times, it's tradition, but we're on a budget here.""" start="00:57:12.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, all right. I think we should, um, head over to mumble and talk on mumble. Um, and just decide""" start="00:57:19.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see like which big blue button room we're going to be in for closing. Okay. So we're clear""" start="00:57:31.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on BBB here? Yep. I think so.""" start="00:57:36.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [corwin@bru.st](mailto:corwin@bru.st?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20windows%3A%20Windows%20into%20Freedom) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/windows-before.md b/2023/info/windows-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a3de3379 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/windows-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 58-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="windows-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/windows-nav.md b/2023/info/windows-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..05dc3b17 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/windows-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/doc">Literate Documentation with Emacs and Org Mode</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/scheme">Bringing joy to Scheme programming</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/woof-nav.md b/2023/info/woof-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..35fd3ab8 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/woof-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsen">The Emacsen family, the design of an Emacs and the importance of Lisp</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sun-open">Sunday opening remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/world-after.md b/2023/info/world-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ce8bdc00 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/world-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,381 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="world-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Draw and scribble in GNU Emacs""" start="00:00:00.780" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:00:00.780" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""drawing and scribbling in Emacs using SVG.""" start="00:00:02.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with `canvas-mode`.""" start="00:00:07.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will define the width and the height.""" start="00:00:10.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The default is polyline,""" start="00:00:17.540" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means you can scribble anything that you want.""" start="00:00:19.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very handy for taking quick notes.""" start="00:00:23.733" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will look at""" start="00:00:30.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""drawing a triangle using some lines.""" start="00:00:32.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Now let's draw a circle.""" start="00:00:46.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use the mouse to adjust""" start="00:00:57.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the radius of the circle.""" start="00:00:58.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is some problem with ellipse,""" start="00:01:02.860" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will look at it at the end of the video.""" start="00:01:04.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's put up some text,""" start="00:01:07.940" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a typical "Hello World".""" start="00:01:11.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Size, let's do a 20 font size,""" start="00:01:15.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we will use the default font family.""" start="00:01:19.880" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, we will look at undoing what we have drawn.""" start="00:01:32.360" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just press u for deleting the last drawn object.""" start="00:01:37.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can continue pressing""" start="00:01:43.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""u for consecutive deletions.""" start="00:01:45.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also make a selection of the objects""" start="00:01:51.960" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the screen using your mouse and then press u.""" start="00:01:54.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will delete all the objects in one go.""" start="00:01:57.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we are looking at stroke color.""" start="00:02:02.600" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will use a brown stroke color""" start="00:02:06.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for drawing our objects.""" start="00:02:08.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's look at stroke width.""" start="00:02:12.880" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will use a width of 5.""" start="00:02:20.420" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's fill up the objects with a fill color.""" start="00:02:27.980" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will look at zoom.""" start="00:02:41.620" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use the mouse to select a region and zoom.""" start="00:02:47.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use +, - for zooming in and out.""" start="00:02:50.120" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press 0 for resetting the zoom.""" start="00:02:54.360" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's save the file,""" start="00:03:07.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and q or Enter for exiting the canvas-mode.""" start="00:03:14.540" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will open the file in Emacs itself.""" start="00:03:19.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the file,""" start="00:03:25.220" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do Control-c Control-c (`C-c C-c`).""" start="00:03:26.180" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, we look at ellipse.""" start="00:03:32.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks!""" start="00:03:44.420" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""SVG Symbols library""" start="00:03:46.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will draw""" start="00:03:46.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""schematics using symbols from SVG library in Emacs.""" start="00:03:48.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press capital L to activate the symbol library""" start="00:03:52.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can see on the right hand side,""" start="00:03:55.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and place the symbol on the canvas.""" start="00:03:57.867" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's add another register to this diagram.""" start="00:04:01.960" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can press capital R to rotate the symbol.""" start="00:04:06.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's place it on the canvas.""" start="00:04:11.820" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will add a voltage source to the circuit.""" start="00:04:17.240" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To connect the symbols,""" start="00:04:31.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will have to use some connecting wires.""" start="00:04:33.180" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For that, press capital W""" start="00:04:36.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to activate the connection mode.""" start="00:04:39.467" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Click anywhere on the canvas""" start="00:04:46.920" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to draw intermediate points, and press Esc""" start="00:04:48.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to exit that particular connection.""" start="00:04:53.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's connect other symbols too.""" start="00:05:00.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:05:16.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""GNU Emacs: A multimedia editor""" start="00:05:20.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:05:20.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some basic multimedia editing using Emacs.""" start="00:05:22.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start a media-edit session.""" start="00:05:24.933" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's open a video file.""" start="00:05:27.460" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The left-hand side is your viewer area,""" start="00:05:32.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the right-hand side is your track area.""" start="00:05:34.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the track area, you can use normal Emacs""" start="00:05:36.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text editing movements.""" start="00:05:39.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now press `C-c r` to refresh the viewer mode""" start="00:05:42.040" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the exact time frame.""" start="00:05:48.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now press SPC to play or pause the video.""" start="00:05:52.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This looks like an interesting point in the video,""" start="00:05:59.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's track it and split it. Press Enter to do that.""" start="00:06:03.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will extract some 10 seconds of this video.""" start="00:06:11.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's use this.""" start="00:06:20.733" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now go here and delete all these lines.""" start="00:06:23.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's review our edited clip.""" start="00:06:26.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks good! Now press e to export the video.""" start="00:06:44.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Provide an output file name.""" start="00:06:51.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will use FFmpeg to convert, and you can""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""output to any file format supported by FFmpeg.""" start="00:07:04.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Let's open up shell and view this""" start="00:07:16.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""video file in an external video player.""" start="00:07:21.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:07:57.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Fill PDF form using GNU Emacs""" start="00:08:03.367" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:08:03.367" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing a PDF form using GNU Emacs.""" start="00:08:05.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To start, we have to enable the annotation.""" start="00:08:09.760" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can use Tab to move forward and Shift+Tab""" start="00:08:13.840" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to move backwards through the fields.""" start="00:08:18.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To edit a field, we press e.""" start="00:08:22.480" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's edit a text box. We'll call it 'city'.""" start="00:08:25.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, we will edit a drop-down.""" start="00:08:33.580" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, press e, and you get a select.""" start="00:08:35.840" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use the Minibuffer to select one of the values.""" start="00:08:38.680" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's select 'France'.""" start="00:08:45.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's edit a radio box.""" start="00:08:48.500" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A checkbox or a radio box can be toggled using t.""" start="00:08:52.180" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can disable…""" start="00:08:55.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's save the file, `doc-view-save-form`.""" start="00:08:58.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will ask for a file name.""" start="00:09:05.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's call it `filled1.pdf`. If the file exists,""" start="00:09:08.360" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will ask you if you want to overwrite.""" start="00:09:13.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's verify this new file.""" start="00:09:17.260" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Firefox, we'll copy this file name, call it filled1.""" start="00:09:21.460" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's verify the values.""" start="00:09:27.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have city, France and Driving License selected.""" start="00:09:29.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:09:32.620" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Desktop and window management in GNU Emacs""" start="00:09:34.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:09:34.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""desktop and window management in GNU Emacs.""" start="00:09:37.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll start with `task-view`.""" start="00:09:40.460" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Top row shows all the desktops,""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and rest of the images are the active windows""" start="00:09:50.467" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that particular desktop.""" start="00:09:54.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can tap to select""" start="00:09:59.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and double tap to activate a particular window.""" start="00:10:09.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use m to move selected windows""" start="00:10:13.320" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any of the desktops at the top.""" start="00:10:16.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check the third desktop.""" start="00:10:25.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's bring it back to the second desktop.""" start="00:10:29.320" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best part,""" start="00:10:49.980" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can select multiple windows""" start="00:10:51.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and form a group by pressing g.""" start="00:10:54.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can select any of the windows""" start="00:10:59.980" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this group to activate the complete group.""" start="00:11:04.867" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:11:07.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Screen mirroring in GNU Emacs""" start="00:11:10.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:11:10.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""screen mirroring using GNU Emacs.""" start="00:11:12.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Run `wfd`. Select an interface.""" start="00:11:14.280" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it will scan for all the available devices""" start="00:11:18.780" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for screen mirroring.""" start="00:11:20.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll select my TV, which is an LG WebOS TV.""" start="00:11:24.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't decline, it will start streaming.""" start="00:11:30.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's change some buffer to check the visuals.""" start="00:11:38.720" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To terminate the session, just click on quit.""" start="00:11:45.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:11:50.220" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Swipe for Text Input in GNU Emacs""" start="00:11:53.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Using Sweep to swipe and type "as you like it."]""" start="00:11:53.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Formula Editor in GNU Emacs""" start="00:12:25.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Formula Editor]""" start="00:12:25.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Typing fractions in the formula]""" start="00:12:39.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Adding brackets and an exponent]""" start="00:12:45.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Transliteration in Emacs""" start="00:12:59.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Hindi (Devanagari script) Phonetic typing]""" start="00:12:59.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Phonetic typing Gujarati, Bangla, Kannada, and Tamil]""" start="00:13:05.200" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Social Media client - Tumblr, Reddit""" start="00:13:09.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Browsing Reddit in Emacs]""" start="00:13:09.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Browsing Tumblr in Emacs]""" start="00:13:19.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Browsing X (Twitter) in Emacs]""" start="00:13:29.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Comics Builder""" start="00:13:40.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Generating comic from a text script]""" start="00:13:40.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Matching game""" start="00:13:49.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Matching color names with color boxes]""" start="00:13:49.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive XPath Builder in GNU Emacs""" start="00:13:59.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Running `xpath-builder` on an XML file]""" start="00:13:59.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Filtering `title`, `para`, and `author` from the XML]""" start="00:14:01.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive JSON Builder in GNU Emacs""" start="00:14:10.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Filtering `father`, `father.name`, `children`""" start="00:14:10.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`children[1]` from a JSON using JSON Builder]""" start="00:14:29.200" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""GNU Emacs as a lightweight IDE (CEDET Semantic): Java - Generate getter/setter""" start="00:14:35.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:14:35.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generating getters and setters in Java using Emacs.""" start="00:14:37.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will run `srecode-getset-dialog`.""" start="00:14:41.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will get an option to select particular fields,""" start="00:14:46.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can expand and collapse.""" start="00:14:48.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can select all or deselect all,""" start="00:14:51.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can choose any particular getter.""" start="00:14:54.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's do protected version of this. Here you go.""" start="00:14:56.386" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to generate for other fields,""" start="00:15:02.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can re-run it.""" start="00:15:06.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can check the one that you have already""" start="00:15:08.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generated is not there.""" start="00:15:11.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now select all, and you can see rest of the""" start="00:15:13.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getters and setters have been generated.""" start="00:15:22.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:15:23.933" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Generate C header""" start="00:15:26.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""[Generating C headers using `srecode-gen-header`]""" start="00:15:26.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""C Rename symbols""" start="00:16:11.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:16:11.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""renaming method across multiple files in a project.""" start="00:16:13.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with `semantic-symref-symbol`.""" start="00:16:17.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we have the references.""" start="00:16:24.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's use the menu to open all these occurrences.""" start="00:16:26.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To rename it, we have to use""" start="00:16:35.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Rename Symbol in Open hits."""" start="00:16:38.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's rename it to underscore 1 (`_1`).""" start="00:16:41.920" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will verify it by compiling the project.""" start="00:16:46.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's open the `*Messages*` buffer to see the results""" start="00:16:57.720" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more clearly. No errors.""" start="00:17:00.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:17:04.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""SQL (offline)""" start="00:17:07.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:17:07.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SQL editing with Semantic.""" start="00:17:09.733" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will define a schema in this SQL document.""" start="00:17:12.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's create a table.""" start="00:17:16.620" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We get already existing tables""" start="00:17:27.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the current document.""" start="00:17:30.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also supports auto-completion of some keywords.""" start="00:17:38.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we can do some queries on the tables.""" start="00:17:57.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have `SELECT` as the keyword or the SQL,""" start="00:18:00.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we will select the SQL.""" start="00:18:03.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we have all the tables existing in this schema.""" start="00:18:06.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can also use an alias for completions.""" start="00:18:13.560" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's look at a more complex example.""" start="00:18:25.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will try to do a join on two tables.""" start="00:18:31.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's add a `WHERE` clause.""" start="00:18:43.367" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's do insert.""" start="00:19:06.600" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can just click on Tab to go to the next field.""" start="00:19:23.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's fill in the columns.""" start="00:19:27.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And do a Tab to go to the values""" start="00:19:30.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add the corresponding values.""" start="00:19:32.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, an update.""" start="00:19:37.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will try to delete this""" start="00:19:48.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a `WHERE col11 = 4`.""" start="00:20:00.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lastly, let's try dropping the table.""" start="00:20:07.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:20:16.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Slide with the text "Let's Make Computing Personal."""" start="00:20:21.867" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +<a name="world-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, folks. Thanks, Anand,""" start="00:00:07.120" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the great talk. So here is the live Q&A.""" start="00:00:11.259" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi. Hello. I see questions being posted on""" start="00:00:22.279" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the pad. Would you like me to read them out""" start="00:00:23.920" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or would you prefer to read them yourself?""" start="00:00:25.320" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Okay. 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So the base of it is XWidget in Emacs,""" start="00:01:26.800" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is already there.""" start="00:01:28.160" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But then I had to add a few control code for""" start="00:01:35.080" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""controlling VLC. So ffmpeg is like a shell""" start="00:01:42.240" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""command that finally stitches those bits of""" start="00:01:46.840" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""video clips. But what actually plays is VLC,""" start="00:01:51.780" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's not FFmpeg. Hope that's clear.""" start="00:01:55.860" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next question is these demos are always""" start="00:02:03.580" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so impressive. Do you plan to upstream any of""" start="00:02:06.020" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these projects into Emacs?""" start="00:02:07.040" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, okay, let me read the complete""" start="00:02:13.940" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. These demos are always so""" start="00:02:16.220" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""impressive. Do you plan to upstream any of""" start="00:02:17.960" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these projects into Emacs or to publish them""" start="00:02:19.960" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as, for example, helper packages?""" start="00:02:21.780" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So right now, as it stands,""" start="00:02:26.480" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I personally don't intend to do that because""" start="00:02:30.720" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't have that time but I have signed my""" start="00:02:34.900" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""signed assignment copyright assignment so""" start="00:02:38.720" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anybody has time and motivation to do it they""" start="00:02:41.600" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can pick up the code and help me with that.""" start="00:02:47.120" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next is, how did you make that electronic""" start="00:02:53.200" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""circuit diagram? 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But I'll post it in this 1 as""" start="00:04:31.480" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well.""" start="00:04:31.680" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'll quickly note that we have about 4 more""" start="00:04:48.480" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes of live Q&A, but if folks have more""" start="00:04:52.540" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, they're welcome to either continue""" start="00:04:55.320" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asking on the pad or come join us here on Big""" start="00:04:59.060" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blue Button and continue chatting once the""" start="00:05:02.080" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream moves on to the next talk.""" start="00:05:03.440" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:05:03.940" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yes, so here's the link.""" start="00:05:13.360" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so right now, all of my development goes""" start="00:05:23.240" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a single development branch in this""" start="00:05:26.360" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""repository. 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If folks have any other""" start="00:08:21.660" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, please do continue posting on the""" start="00:08:24.960" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad or come and join BigBlueButton with an""" start="00:08:27.540" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ad. And thanks again, Adam,""" start="00:08:28.940" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a great talk and for the discussions and""" start="00:08:30.880" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions and answers.""" start="00:08:31.560" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Great, thanks.""" start="00:08:36.100" video="qanda-world" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/world-nav.md b/2023/info/world-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0c9d9fb1 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/world-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/scheme">Bringing joy to Scheme programming</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/writing-after.md b/2023/info/writing-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1523f77d --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/writing-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,520 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<a name="writing-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello everyone, I'm Jeremy Friesen, pronouns he/him,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:04.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how Emacs turbocharges my writing.""" start="00:00:05.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Quick intro: I've been programming since 1998""" start="00:00:08.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and blogging since 2011.""" start="00:00:11.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In May of 2020 I switched to Emacs,""" start="00:00:14.080" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""having previously used a long list of different editors.""" start="00:00:16.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Curious about how Emacs impacted my writing,""" start="00:00:19.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote some stuff on my personal site and""" start="00:00:23.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""found that I blogged about 95 words per day prior to Emacs,""" start="00:00:25.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with Emacs I'm blogging about 340.""" start="00:00:30.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, this is not a fair comparison, many things changed.""" start="00:00:33.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A pandemic removed 2 hours of commute every day""" start="00:00:37.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a big contributor.""" start="00:00:40.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ultimately though, I've used Emacs and extended it""" start="00:00:44.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reduce barriers to capturing and writing and thinking,""" start="00:00:47.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm always on the lookout for minor refinements""" start="00:00:50.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that help me stay in my thinking.""" start="00:00:53.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""How I got here""" start="00:00:57.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""How I got here was I started in WordPress,""" start="00:00:57.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I moved to Jekyll, and then to Hugo,""" start="00:00:59.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and through that process I started writing in Markdown.""" start="00:01:02.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when I was learning Emacs,""" start="00:01:05.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also didn't want to learn Org Mode,""" start="00:01:07.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it felt intimidating because it could do so many things.""" start="00:01:09.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I later learned Org Mode grows with you,""" start="00:01:12.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's where I'm at now.""" start="00:01:15.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Friction""" start="00:01:18.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""But I didn't realize that friction""" start="00:01:18.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between writing Markdown for my public blog""" start="00:01:20.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then adopting Org Mode locally""" start="00:01:23.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for writing and time tracking and things like that.""" start="00:01:25.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, where did I put things,""" start="00:01:28.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because migrating the formats was just a little clunky.""" start="00:01:31.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So ultimately I spent some time thinking about the data flow""" start="00:01:35.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and where I would put things,""" start="00:01:38.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this kind of pre-thinking,""" start="00:01:39.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where does stuff go when it comes into and out of my brain.""" start="00:01:41.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Domains for notes""" start="00:01:45.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So I have many domains where I'll write towards.""" start="00:01:45.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The ones for this presentation are going to be""" start="00:01:49.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blog posts, epigraphs, glossary, and melange.""" start="00:01:51.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Melange is, I don't know where it goes,""" start="00:01:54.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now I do, I just throw it in melange.""" start="00:01:56.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I began exploring Org Mode via Org Roam,""" start="00:02:01.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I've ultimately switched from Org Roam""" start="00:02:04.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the simplified Denote package.""" start="00:02:07.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't use a lot of the functionality""" start="00:02:10.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I appreciate the plain text reality of Denote.""" start="00:02:13.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:02:15.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""So let's hop into the demo.""" start="00:02:15.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to split my screen.""" start="00:02:18.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Over on the right is going to be""" start="00:02:19.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'm going to be live typing stuff.""" start="00:02:21.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's get going.""" start="00:02:24.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll notice I don't do a lot of screen splitting.""" start="00:02:27.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just makes it easier to focus.""" start="00:02:29.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's create a note.""" start="00:02:32.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I have bound hyper to my command key,""" start="00:02:34.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my right command key.""" start="00:02:41.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This opens up a whole world.""" start="00:02:42.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to create a blog post""" start="00:02:43.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we're going to name it the ever popular "hello world".""" start="00:02:45.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's Emacs.""" start="00:02:49.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great.""" start="00:02:50.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've saved it.""" start="00:02:51.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Dabbrev and hippie-expand""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""One of the things I encourage everybody to do""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to watch Jay Dixit's presentation, Emacs for Writers.""" start="00:02:57.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It showed me the utility of Dabbrev for quick auto correction.""" start="00:03:02.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also love using hippie-expand.""" start="00:03:08.080" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I watch VS coders code, it's always a little sad pants""" start="00:03:11.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they're thinking about coding or writing""" start="00:03:14.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of their code.""" start="00:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I have found as a programmer, I tend to write more tech,""" start="00:03:19.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more like English instead of programming code.""" start="00:03:24.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think it's important to understand these tools""" start="00:03:27.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that help me write better.""" start="00:03:30.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Links""" start="00:03:32.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""All right, we're going to go with links.""" start="00:03:32.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Links are foundational for the web.""" start="00:03:34.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to insert a public link,""" start="00:03:37.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a role playing game that I love,""" start="00:03:41.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Worlds Without Number.""" start="00:03:43.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to go ahead and describe it.""" start="00:03:45.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A role playing game.""" start="00:03:48.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I don't want to always say role playing game.""" start="00:03:49.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to abbreviate it.""" start="00:03:53.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I wrote a function that will transform it.""" start="00:03:54.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's take a look at what that looks like on the inside.""" start="00:03:57.080" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I do this real quick, it's toggling it back and forth.""" start="00:04:00.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll just keep doing that.""" start="00:04:06.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have the idea of public notes and private notes.""" start="00:04:10.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Public is things that's going to have a URL.""" start="00:04:13.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I met a person at a conference.""" start="00:04:15.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He gave a talk on something that I thought was very useful.""" start="00:04:16.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't write down what he talked about on his note.""" start="00:04:19.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote it where it was more relevant to the topic.""" start="00:04:23.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can use a backlink to go find that.""" start="00:04:26.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next up, I demonstrate the abbreviation.""" start="00:04:31.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have dates.""" start="00:04:34.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a semantic date in HTML5.""" start="00:04:35.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just have the year.""" start="00:04:38.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also just have something like that date is today.""" start="00:04:41.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we have date links.""" start="00:04:48.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't have backlinks built up for that,""" start="00:04:52.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have ideas of how I go about doing it.""" start="00:04:54.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And last up, thank you Frank Herbert,""" start="00:04:56.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to introduce epigraphs.""" start="00:04:58.760" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is epigraph.""" start="00:05:00.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just have that, any sufficiently, dot, dot, dot.""" start="00:05:04.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's my epigraph.""" start="00:05:08.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Backlinks, I mentioned that.""" start="00:05:10.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go take a look at Jonathan, right?""" start="00:05:16.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's a Rubyist, but importantly is the backlinks.""" start="00:05:19.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He gave a talk on, that's right, PDFs.""" start="00:05:23.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go look at what he spoke to""" start="00:05:27.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can reference that because I will remember""" start="00:05:28.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that talk or I will remember, oh, I need to look up PDFs.""" start="00:05:31.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I have something in PDFs.""" start="00:05:36.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, it's about stumbling upon data in a good way.""" start="00:05:39.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thinking of making linking easy helps me""" start="00:05:43.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""create more and more ways to find things,""" start="00:05:48.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both by links, backlinks, indices, file searches, and so forth.""" start="00:05:52.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all about information organization.""" start="00:05:57.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next up is a really cool function of org capture.""" start="00:05:59.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's take a look here.""" start="00:06:04.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to start a clock.""" start="00:06:06.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's running.""" start="00:06:08.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to bring up my browser.""" start="00:06:09.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to go ahead and capture to the content to clock.""" start="00:06:11.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it brings up this block quote, which is lovely.""" start="00:06:19.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And boom, I'm going to save it.""" start="00:06:23.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to close this.""" start="00:06:25.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're back here to my "hello world".""" start="00:06:28.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has grabbed a block quote for this.""" start="00:06:30.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, it helps me gather stuff up quickly.""" start="00:06:33.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've bound that also in my RSS feed.""" start="00:06:38.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to skip over macros, blocks, and the abstract.""" start="00:06:41.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're going to get into the export""" start="00:06:44.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is where we can see the magic""" start="00:06:45.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that happens because I want to take things""" start="00:06:47.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from private to public.""" start="00:06:49.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have bound a key.""" start="00:06:51.080" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are my menu of things I don't want to forget.""" start="00:06:53.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will export.""" start="00:06:55.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we go.""" start="00:06:56.760" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is my blog post in markdown format with Hugo shortcodes.""" start="00:06:57.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go take a look at what that looks like.""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Localhost.""" start="00:07:07.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not writing in Rails.""" start="00:07:09.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Hello world" right there.""" start="00:07:12.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the epigraph.""" start="00:07:14.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I have a mention of Worlds without Number.""" start="00:07:17.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I have mentioned this as a abbreviation.""" start="00:07:22.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I include the first time this text.""" start="00:07:24.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's also Jonathan.""" start="00:07:27.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He is not a public reference thing.""" start="00:07:30.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I have these things here.""" start="00:07:33.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here's my captured information""" start="00:07:37.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with the citation link to it.""" start="00:07:39.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, helpful to be consistent.""" start="00:07:42.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:07:49.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""In conclusion, when I started learning Emacs,""" start="00:07:49.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I quickly shifted to vanilla Emacs and just started writing.""" start="00:07:52.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I wrote, when I needed to do something that I'd previously""" start="00:07:55.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done in a text editor, I'd find an experiment with a package.""" start="00:07:59.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I continue that mindset.""" start="00:08:03.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I write, I'm attending to what I'm doing.""" start="00:08:04.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And eventually, I realize if I were to just write""" start="00:08:06.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a function that does this one thing,""" start="00:08:08.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd have a smoother writing experience.""" start="00:08:11.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This helps me practice my craft, extend my editor,""" start="00:08:13.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understand its capabilities, and begin exploring other things.""" start="00:08:16.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The goal of this is all to minimize the distractions.""" start="00:08:20.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I'm thinking about it, I wanted to quickly add it""" start="00:08:23.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then move along,""" start="00:08:25.760" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically creating breadcrumbs for me""" start="00:08:27.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to follow my thoughts in the future.""" start="00:08:29.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And one of those functions is""" start="00:08:31.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to write an extender for my abbr,""" start="00:08:33.160" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so Sasha, you don't need to worry about this.""" start="00:00:01.400" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi Jeremy, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:03.240" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'm doing great, how about you?""" start="00:00:04.779" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I am also doing great,""" start="00:00:08.039" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am feeling replenished after this lunch""" start="00:00:09.380" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""break and I am happy to go back for 4 more""" start="00:00:11.780" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Me too. 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It's pretty pleasant.""" start="00:12:06.380" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really shocking.""" start="00:12:09.520" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, Aaron, you had a question.""" start="00:12:12.660" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do I use denote just for my blogs or do I use""" start="00:12:15.040" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it for other purposes?""" start="00:12:17.440" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use denote for all of my note taking and""" start="00:12:19.940" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""almost, I think it's exclusively org mode""" start="00:12:25.520" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I, that I use it in.""" start="00:12:28.920" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I really appreciated in the""" start="00:12:30.600" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consideration that Proc put forward was the""" start="00:12:33.400" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file name encodes the information that's""" start="00:12:37.500" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relevant. 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We are recording all of this and""" start="00:14:56.160" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll be publishing this later on once again.""" start="00:14:58.180" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And all that's left for me to do is to thank""" start="00:15:01.120" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so much, Jeremy, for your presentation""" start="00:15:03.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and your answers. And I will see you another""" start="00:15:05.740" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time.""" start="00:15:08.200" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So yeah, plasma strike.""" start="00:15:12.700" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not able to grant speaking powers.""" start="00:15:15.560" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you wanted to type up something""" start="00:15:20.340" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question-wise.""" start="00:15:22.160" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh, okay. I'll manage this in the background.""" start="00:15:24.000" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're moving on to the next talk.""" start="00:15:26.000" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll figure out the things about VBB,""" start="00:15:28.500" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the meantime, enjoy the next talk.""" start="00:15:30.240" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye. All right, Jeremy.""" start="00:15:34.140" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are now on the next talk.""" start="00:15:35.460" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry about having to mention multiple things""" start="00:15:37.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time. Speaking rights.""" start="00:15:39.240" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will try fixing this in the background.""" start="00:15:42.500" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to get moving for the next talk,""" start="00:15:44.440" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll do it in the background and we'll""" start="00:15:46.120" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let you know as soon as it's ready.""" start="00:15:48.040" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: We're doing great. Okay.""" start="00:15:40.440" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Alright, bye bye Jeremy.""" start="00:15:51.220" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com](mailto:jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20writing%3A%20Emacs%20turbo-charges%20my%20writing) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/writing-before.md b/2023/info/writing-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e46b512f --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/writing-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 9-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="writing-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="writing-mainVideo" data=""" +00:00.000 Intro +00:57.120 How I got here +01:18.400 Friction +01:45.960 Domains for notes +02:15.920 Demo +02:55.440 Dabbrev and hippie-expand +03:32.840 Links +07:49.160 Conclusion + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 08:53 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.opus">Download --main.opus (5.5MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.webm">Download --main.webm (23MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--pad.html">Download --pad.html</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--pad.md">Download --pad.md</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen.pdf">Download .pdf</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/ke3UCJaJSLyQr7Emv8VxST">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="writing-qanda"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="writing-qanda-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 15:53 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (9.4MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (35MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Description +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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