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diff --git a/2023/info/adventure-after.md b/2023/info/adventure-after.md index 8136a697..f9d69acc 100644 --- a/2023/info/adventure-after.md +++ b/2023/info/adventure-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,120 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20adventure%3A%20An%20Org-Mode%20based%20text%20adventure%20game%20for%20learning%20the%20basics%20of%20Emacs%2C%20inside%20Emacs%2C%20written%20in%20Emacs%20Lisp) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="adventure-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm going to give you a little demo""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a project that I'm working on""" start="00:00:04.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is called the `orgdungeon`.""" start="00:00:06.440" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see here, they are just a bunch of Org files""" start="00:00:09.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also an Emacs Lisp file.""" start="00:00:16.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I found is that if you have these Org files""" start="00:00:20.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have an Emacs Lisp file as a source""" start="00:00:26.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to control how to progress from one file to another,""" start="00:00:30.920" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will give you a game-like experience.""" start="00:00:36.880" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like the old game Myst.""" start="00:00:40.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was developed with the technology""" start="00:00:43.480" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""HyperCard for the Macintosh.""" start="00:00:46.120" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, it uses a similar technology,""" start="00:00:48.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so a similar interface to the developer""" start="00:00:53.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who was using that technology to develop the game.""" start="00:00:57.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Concretely, I'm going to give you""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a demo of how the game looks like.""" start="00:01:03.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this is a very vanilla Emacs setup.""" start="00:01:08.880" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I open up the first Org file.""" start="00:01:14.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Org file is just a bunch of text,""" start="00:01:18.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it tells you a story.""" start="00:01:22.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you wake up somewhere,""" start="00:01:25.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then there is a dog-like robot called Emi around you.""" start="00:01:27.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it tells you what you should do.""" start="00:01:32.600" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Following the instructions...""" start="00:01:37.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, here it tells you""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down there is one thing called "code block,"""" start="00:01:42.720" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can evaluate it by pressing `C-c C-c`.""" start="00:01:46.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can just go there""" start="00:01:51.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then just evaluate the code block.""" start="00:01:53.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So technically it just runs the Emacs Lisp file,""" start="00:01:55.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you can see here, if you load Emacs Lisp...""" start="00:02:00.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just evaluates that Emacs Lisp file.""" start="00:02:05.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just say `C-c C-c`.""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then for this one, I just say yes,""" start="00:02:09.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it will jump to another file.""" start="00:02:12.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the game, I call it the plane.""" start="00:02:16.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it jumps to another plane.""" start="00:02:18.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so...""" start="00:02:21.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the other one, it's just saying that""" start="00:02:24.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a function called `emi-escape-10`.""" start="00:02:26.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assuming that you don't have any experience""" start="00:02:29.880" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to use Emacs,""" start="00:02:33.480" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you have no idea how to do that,""" start="00:02:34.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but down there, it's saying that""" start="00:02:38.760" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a key combination called `C-h f`,""" start="00:02:41.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will bring up the help system.""" start="00:02:44.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can read the help file of `emi-escape-10`.""" start="00:02:48.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just do that. For example, `C-h f`""" start="00:02:52.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then `describe-function` `emi-escape-10` here.""" start="00:02:55.740" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will show you the help file.""" start="00:03:03.000" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it's just saying that you can press `M-x`,""" start="00:03:06.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Meta usually mapped to Alt,""" start="00:03:10.920" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then yeah.""" start="00:03:13.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can just close this help file using `C-x 1`.""" start="00:03:15.080" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to do that. And then yeah...""" start="00:03:18.720" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just try that. `M-x` and then `emi-escape-10`.""" start="00:03:21.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right.""" start="00:03:31.480" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""emi-escape-12""" start="00:03:33.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I will jump to another file.""" start="00:03:33.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or in the game, you jump to another plane.""" start="00:03:36.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now you know that""" start="00:03:39.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a function called `emi-escape-12`.""" start="00:03:40.339" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, you can just do that `emi`,""" start="00:03:44.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you learned it previously, right.""" start="00:03:47.639" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emi-escape-12`.""" start="00:03:50.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this time, it asks you for a password,""" start="00:03:52.080" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you probably don't know, right?""" start="00:03:55.120" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you just type in anything,""" start="00:03:57.800" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will just say incorrect password.""" start="00:03:59.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, it's part of the learning experience""" start="00:04:02.720" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because previously you learned""" start="00:04:06.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you should use the help file,""" start="00:04:07.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""help system to read the help file of a function,""" start="00:04:10.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can just use the help file""" start="00:04:16.200" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to look for the help of `emi-escape-12`.""" start="00:04:18.320" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, yeah, the help file will say that""" start="00:04:25.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you should enter a password,""" start="00:04:29.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the password is `emi`.""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. So you can just do that.""" start="00:04:34.160" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Write `emi-escape-12`,""" start="00:04:36.440" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then now you know the password is `emi`. Right.""" start="00:04:42.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The rest of the game""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So you can progress along these different files,""" start="00:04:47.040" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then if you...""" start="00:04:51.840" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, it's like a game,""" start="00:04:53.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but at the same time, it also teaches you""" start="00:04:54.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something about how Emacs works.""" start="00:04:57.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, like the previous one,""" start="00:05:01.680" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know how to use the help file, for example,""" start="00:05:04.600" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in the later part, you will learn how to""" start="00:05:07.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""evaluate some Emacs Lisp code""" start="00:05:11.520" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also how to write some Emacs Lisp code""" start="00:05:14.280" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well, and then you will learn""" start="00:05:17.160" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the difference between interactive commands""" start="00:05:19.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also just ordinary functions, for example.""" start="00:05:23.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I just created a few Org files,""" start="00:05:27.240" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm actively adding more Org files""" start="00:05:31.400" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can have a complete kind of""" start="00:05:36.440" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""educational experience.""" start="00:05:39.600" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to follow along [with] this project,""" start="00:05:42.560" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just go to my Github repository.""" start="00:05:45.640" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you enjoyed this little demo.""" start="00:05:51.360" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:05:56.540" video="mainVideo-adventure" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20adventure%3A%20An%20Org-Mode%20based%20text%20adventure%20game%20for%20learning%20the%20basics%20of%20Emacs%2C%20inside%20Emacs%2C%20written%20in%20Emacs%20Lisp) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/adventure-before.md b/2023/info/adventure-before.md index c1644817..7c9dda68 100644 --- a/2023/info/adventure-before.md +++ b/2023/info/adventure-before.md @@ -1,14 +1,18 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> -In this talk, Dr. Chung-hong Chan will demonstrate a text adventure game for learning the basics of Emacs. He is a senior researcher at GESIS Leibniz Institute for the Social Sciences, Germany. - [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by Pad / e-mail Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 6-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad +Status: All done + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-adventure"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-adventure" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +01:01.200 Demo +03:33.360 emi-escape-12 +04:47.040 The rest of the game +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 05:58 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-adventure">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main.opus">Download --main.opus (3.3MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-adventure--an-orgmode-based-text-adventure-game-for-learning-the-basics-of-emacs-inside-emacs-written-in-emacs-lisp--chunghong-chan--main.webm">Download --main.webm (19MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/2oqbPJB8Wm3QSo4HCKAyVn">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/7R0yA0R1jsk">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/adventure-nav.md b/2023/info/adventure-nav.md index 95382fff..d50bda6c 100644 --- a/2023/info/adventure-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/adventure-nav.md @@ -2,5 +2,5 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/uni">Authoring and presenting university courses with Emacs and a full libre software stack</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/collab-after.md b/2023/info/collab-after.md index 1e42d375..06ebf8d4 100644 --- a/2023/info/collab-after.md +++ b/2023/info/collab-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,408 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hartman@itc.rwth-aachen.de, bossert@itc.rwth-aachen.de](mailto:hartman@itc.rwth-aachen.de, bossert@itc.rwth-aachen.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20collab%3A%20Collaborative%20data%20processing%20and%20documenting%20using%20org-babel) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="collab-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Welcome to our presentation,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Collaborative Data Processing""" start="00:00:01.875" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Documenting using org-babel.""" start="00:00:03.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Lukas Bossert, and I'm""" start="00:00:06.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the RWTH Aachen University""" start="00:00:07.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the city of Aachen, Germany.""" start="00:00:09.741" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: And my name is Jonathan Hartmann.""" start="00:00:12.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also from the IT Center here at RWTH Aachen.""" start="00:00:14.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Great.""" start="00:00:18.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we will show you today how you""" start="00:00:19.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can use Org Mode for data processing.""" start="00:00:21.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see a little workflow what we are going to do.""" start="00:00:25.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, we will give you a slight introduction to Org Mode.""" start="00:00:28.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we will dive into the part of data preparing.""" start="00:00:31.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, you're going to query the data using the language SPARQL.""" start="00:00:34.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we're going to clean it using a different language.""" start="00:00:38.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in the main part of our presentation,""" start="00:00:41.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to do the data processing, first aggregating""" start="00:00:44.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Python, later on counting items using Org,""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even visualizing it using R. At the end,""" start="00:00:52.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to show you how to preserve""" start="00:00:56.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the data and the document and its documentation,""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first doing in plain exporting, then adding some metadata,""" start="00:01:01.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and showing you two different ways, first a manual export,""" start="00:01:06.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also then a batch-processed export.""" start="00:01:09.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right.""" start="00:01:13.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's dive in to that.""" start="00:01:14.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org Mode""" start="00:01:16.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Jonathan, can you give us an introduction about Org Mode?""" start="00:01:16.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Of course.""" start="00:01:19.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in case anyone isn't familiar with it,""" start="00:01:20.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode, in the words of Carsten Dominik,""" start="00:01:23.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is back to the future for plain text.""" start="00:01:25.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is just a module available for Emacs,""" start="00:01:28.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plain-text base.""" start="00:01:31.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been around since 2003, which""" start="00:01:32.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it about 20 years old.""" start="00:01:34.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's extensible and fully customizable.""" start="00:01:36.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And especially, it's very convenient, very good""" start="00:01:40.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for scientific text production and organization.""" start="00:01:44.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, you can do project management, agenda,""" start="00:01:46.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""diary, journaling, personal knowledge management,""" start="00:01:49.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation.""" start="00:01:52.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even this is written in Org Mode.""" start="00:01:53.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an Org Mode presentation.""" start="00:01:55.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do single source publishing,""" start="00:01:57.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which we will do later on, and also""" start="00:01:59.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literate programming, which is the core of our talk.""" start="00:02:01.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK.""" start="00:02:06.480" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: So let me stop this presentation here.""" start="00:02:07.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what you see here is the plain text underneath it.""" start="00:02:10.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is Org Mode.""" start="00:02:14.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Working together""" start="00:02:18.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And Jonathan, since we kind of already""" start="00:02:18.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did the introduction together, should we""" start="00:02:21.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also do the working part together?""" start="00:02:26.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Of course.""" start="00:02:28.761" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see on the screen there on the right,""" start="00:02:29.701" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's my screen in Emacs.""" start="00:02:33.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Lukas, why don't you host a session using CRDT,""" start="00:02:35.061" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll connect to your buffer.""" start="00:02:39.521" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: OK. Great.""" start="00:02:41.201" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that.""" start="00:02:42.561" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I do, I'm using Doom Emacs.""" start="00:02:43.281" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can use the `SPC` and then the `l`""" start="00:02:46.181" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the live share/collab part.""" start="00:02:49.308" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can use the `s` for share current buffer.""" start="00:02:52.141" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when I do this, I'm getting asked for some settings.""" start="00:02:58.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going with the default settings here.""" start="00:03:01.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So default port, no password, and my display name.""" start="00:03:04.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now Emacs is connecting.""" start="00:03:08.341" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And once it's connected, which just takes a couple of seconds,""" start="00:03:11.941" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can get the URL.""" start="00:03:15.180" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going back to this menu and using `y`""" start="00:03:17.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for copying the URL of the current session.""" start="00:03:21.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the URL I'm going to send over to you, Jonathan,""" start="00:03:24.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to pick that up.""" start="00:03:27.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Right.""" start="00:03:29.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK.""" start="00:03:29.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now on my screen, I'm going to do a `SPC l c` for connect.""" start="00:03:30.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to paste the URL""" start="00:03:37.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Lukas just sent me in here.""" start="00:03:38.741" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Default port, no password.""" start="00:03:40.980" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're connecting now.""" start="00:03:43.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this takes a second just to get us synced up.""" start="00:03:45.700" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can work on the same document at the same time.""" start="00:03:51.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can follow each other's cursors around.""" start="00:03:54.161" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can have multiple buffers open and work on them""" start="00:03:56.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time.""" start="00:03:58.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so here you see that we are both in the same document.""" start="00:04:01.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see my cursor popping around.""" start="00:04:04.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see we're both editing the same item.""" start="00:04:09.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great.""" start="00:04:13.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: So we also see who else is currently in our buffer""" start="00:04:14.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the user overview.""" start="00:04:18.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let me just delete that window.""" start="00:04:20.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's going to work in our main one.""" start="00:04:23.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we said first part is about data retrieval.""" start="00:04:26.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we should give it a headline.""" start="00:04:29.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We said prepare stage.""" start="00:04:37.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what are we going to do first, Jonathan?""" start="00:04:39.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: So what we're going to do,""" start="00:04:42.320" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what this whole document is based upon,""" start="00:04:43.941" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is we're going to pull data from Wikidata using a SPARQL query.""" start="00:04:45.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The data we're going to pull is related to the NFDIs,""" start="00:04:50.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which here in Germany is the National Forschungsdaten""" start="00:04:53.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Infrastructure, which is a sort of collection of universities""" start="00:04:55.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that work together on various research projects.""" start="00:05:00.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is emblematic of the kind of data""" start="00:05:03.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we would be interested in working with here.""" start="00:05:05.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to paste a--forgive the pre-written code--""" start="00:05:09.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to paste some text in here.""" start="00:05:13.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: And while you are talking, I just""" start="00:05:20.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keep on documenting what we do""" start="00:05:21.408" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can split the work.""" start="00:05:23.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: In here, after a minor technical upset,""" start="00:05:27.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the raw dataset cell.""" start="00:05:29.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's going to use SPARQL,""" start="00:05:32.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is how we have the syntax highlighting""" start="00:05:34.741" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in our code here.""" start="00:05:37.175" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to go to the URL endpoint""" start="00:05:37.941" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query.wikidata.org/sparql ,""" start="00:05:40.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's going to return the data as a text CSV,""" start="00:05:43.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's going to cache that data""" start="00:05:46.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we don't constantly hammer the API every time""" start="00:05:49.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we run this notebook.""" start="00:05:51.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to run that there.""" start="00:05:54.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see down at the bottom of my screen,""" start="00:05:57.361" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're contacting the host query.wikidata.org .""" start="00:05:58.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: And there's the result.""" start="00:06:05.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Yeah, except I think that for our purposes here,""" start="00:06:07.320" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're just going to limit this to 50 results.""" start="00:06:11.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Oh, yeah.""" start="00:06:15.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Just so it's a little easier for us to manage.""" start="00:06:16.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to run that again.""" start="00:06:18.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go.""" start="00:06:20.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That looks a little better.""" start="00:06:21.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: I think that's fine.""" start="00:06:22.320" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""50 items is fine.""" start="00:06:23.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what do we see here, Jonathan?""" start="00:06:25.360" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Data cleaning""" start="00:06:27.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Right.""" start="00:06:27.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the first thing we see when we look at this""" start="00:06:28.320" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a couple of Q codes at the top,""" start="00:06:31.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are an artifact of Wikidata.""" start="00:06:33.308" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these are pages which don't have""" start="00:06:36.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the label for whichever institution they happen to be.""" start="00:06:39.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For our purposes here, we're just going to exclude them.""" start="00:06:42.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We could just go on Wikidata and edit them ourselves.""" start="00:06:45.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for now, it's a little more interesting""" start="00:06:48.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we go and remove them.""" start="00:06:50.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to create a new cell.""" start="00:06:52.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lukas, if you don't mind starting one for data cleaning.""" start="00:06:55.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Oh, yeah.""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Good point.""" start="00:06:58.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, data cleaning.""" start="00:06:59.480" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK.""" start="00:07:02.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you want to do that, Jonathan?""" start="00:07:03.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: I'm going to use a shell command.""" start="00:07:05.500" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's see.""" start="00:07:09.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go.""" start="00:07:11.120" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so you can see, here is another cell,""" start="00:07:13.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the cell is now using a shell,""" start="00:07:15.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that we have this thing `:var input=raw-dataset`,""" start="00:07:20.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the name of the cell above""" start="00:07:23.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we got our data from Wikidata.""" start="00:07:25.841" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is going to run just a simple shell command.""" start="00:07:28.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to take the input and then run `sed` on it""" start="00:07:31.680" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and exclude any records which have a Q""" start="00:07:33.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by one or more digits afterwards.""" start="00:07:37.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That should remove those from our data set.""" start="00:07:41.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to run that.""" start="00:07:44.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That seems to have done the trick.""" start="00:07:48.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Great, yeah.""" start="00:07:51.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's really good.""" start="00:07:51.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We got rid of all the Q items.""" start="00:07:52.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very good.""" start="00:07:55.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we just have two-column table: institutions""" start="00:07:55.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and consortia.""" start="00:07:59.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice.""" start="00:08:02.760" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Processing""" start="00:08:04.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's come to our main part, doing some processing.""" start="00:08:04.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me give you a headline here, process the data.""" start="00:08:08.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you want to do first?""" start="00:08:13.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: This is not a very complicated data set,""" start="00:08:15.520" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's just do some simple counts first.""" start="00:08:17.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to start with Python,""" start="00:08:19.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we're just going to do some aggregation with Python.""" start="00:08:22.200" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, I've got some pre-written code here.""" start="00:08:25.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see that we've started a cell using Python.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Sure.""" start="00:09:17.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's do this... `sort_values()`, I think, as the Python.""" start="00:09:18.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does that look?""" start="00:09:22.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Lukas]: Better, but I would like to""" start="00:09:24.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have the highest number first""" start="00:09:27.641" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then ascending.""" start="00:09:29.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, not ascending, descending.""" start="00:09:32.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Right, so we can do `ascending=False`.""" start="00:09:34.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Jonathan]: Sure, so I'm going to put a new...""" start="00:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you give me another heading down here""" start="00:10:00.881" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for institutions per consortium...""" start="00:10:05.041" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we're going to use awk code just to spice things up""" start="00:10:12.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add yet another language in here.""" start="00:10:16.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see this is awk.""" start="00:10:18.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're using standard in instead of defining a variable.""" start="00:10:22.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the really interesting 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start="00:10:45.920" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I get a result, NFDI4Memory,""" start="00:10:49.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is our default value for this variable.""" start="00:10:52.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we get the count.""" start="00:10:58.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's five institutions are involved""" start="00:10:59.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the NFDI4memory consortium.""" start="00:11:01.641" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great, but the very nice thing, what I think,""" start="00:11:04.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is here that we can use this code snippet within our text.""" start="00:11:07.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, blended in seamlessly.""" 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video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is `inst-count(`,""" start="00:11:42.608" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and writing my value, `NFDI4Objects`.""" start="00:11:46.608" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As soon as I evaluate this using `C-c C-c`,""" start="00:11:51.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get the result back here.""" start="00:11:58.000" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can do this even for more.""" start="00:12:00.280" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or in writing, `call_inst-count`, go with `NFDI4Earth`,""" start="00:12:05.160" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is another consortium.""" start="00:12:14.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-c C-c`, it's three institutions.""" start="00:12:16.800" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can be used throughout your text,""" start="00:12:20.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and as soon as the data set changes from in the beginning,""" start="00:12:23.440" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe different results requiring Wikidata,""" start="00:12:26.640" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this also will be updated once it's exported.""" start="00:12:30.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice, Jonathan.""" start="00:12:35.080" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Visualization""" start="00:12:36.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But I think we did a lot of analysis""" start="00:12:36.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on text and counting things.""" start="00:12:38.975" 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video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just plot the edges that we see here.""" start="00:12:59.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go.""" start="00:13:02.560" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's my little heading and space.""" start="00:13:04.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is our code.""" start="00:13:11.880" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, just to be fancy and keep using""" start="00:13:13.480" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different languages in here, we set a variable called""" start="00:13:16.040" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`NFDI_edges` equal to `clean-dataset`.""" start="00:13:19.720" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this, again, is sort of cascading""" start="00:13:21.600" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the original data""" start="00:13:23.400" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we pulled from the Wikidata endpoint,""" start="00:13:25.741" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cleaning that data, and now it's being inserted""" start="00:13:28.808" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into this cell as well.""" start="00:13:30.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you see the difference here.""" start="00:13:32.960" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of exporting a table, what we're saying""" start="00:13:34.240" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that there will be a graphics file,""" start="00:13:36.840" video="mainVideo-collab" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will be called network-plot.png.""" start="00:13:39.240" video="mainVideo-collab" 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/collab-nav.md b/2023/info/collab-nav.md index 55c61f3f..66f593f6 100644 --- a/2023/info/collab-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/collab-nav.md @@ -3,5 +3,5 @@ Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/nabokov">Why Nabokov would use Org-Mode if he were writing today</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/solo">How I play TTRPGs in Emacs</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/core-after.md b/2023/info/core-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6a24fa1c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/core-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1564 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="core-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""All right. Hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:02.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while. Well,""" start="00:00:03.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually, it's been like 2 minutes tops.""" start="00:00:04.839" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We were just with John Wheatley,""" start="00:00:07.819" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now we are with Stefan Krangas.""" start="00:00:09.099" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi. Hi. So as we said before,""" start="00:00:11.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan is co-maintainer now of Is it the""" start="00:00:16.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""entire Emacs project? How do you describe""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this? Yeah, co-maintainer of GNU Emacs.""" start="00:00:22.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, perfect. So you know what?""" start="00:00:27.439" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I'm sure everyone is dying to hear""" start="00:00:29.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything you've got to say in your""" start="00:00:32.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation I'm just going to shut up now""" start="00:00:33.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and leave the floor to you.""" start="00:00:36.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you need to share your screen or anything?""" start="00:00:37.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No. Okay great well I'll just cut my webcam""" start="00:00:40.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""off I'll still be in the background so do not""" start="00:00:45.239" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hesitate if you've got any problem I'm still""" start="00:00:47.059" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around And I'll see you just beacon whenever""" start="00:00:48.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're done. And I'll show up with the""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. All right? Thank you,""" start="00:00:53.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo. And thank you, everyone,""" start="00:00:56.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being here. I'm Stefan Kangas.""" start="00:00:58.739" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as Leo explained, I am recently appointed""" start="00:01:02.739" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a co-maintainer of GNU Emacs,""" start="00:01:06.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which a role that I'm fulfilling currently""" start="00:01:10.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Eli Sretsky, who's been co-maintainer""" start="00:01:13.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for quite some time. So I got the question to""" start="00:01:18.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be a co-maintainer from Richard in August""" start="00:01:23.320" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this year. And of course,""" start="00:01:26.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you get a question like that,""" start="00:01:29.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I couldn't not say yes.""" start="00:01:31.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we are. I can't tell you how excited""" start="00:01:34.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am to have this opportunity to address the""" start="00:01:39.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community in this way.""" start="00:01:45.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really humbled, of course,""" start="00:01:47.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be part of it, and to be able to serve the""" start="00:01:50.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community in this capacity.""" start="00:01:55.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've used Emacs, I think many of you might""" start="00:02:00.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also have used Emacs for quite some time,""" start="00:02:04.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm going on 2 decades as an Emacs user.""" start="00:02:06.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My involvement in Emacs Lisp development is,""" start="00:02:11.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, almost as long,""" start="00:02:14.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but my core development goes back only 4,""" start="00:02:16.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""5 years. 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So I believe when they""" start="01:02:37.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encounter a bug, are people supposed to go to""" start="01:02:40.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""master to pull main and just to make sure""" start="01:02:43.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they are on the latest version.""" start="01:02:47.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is this something that you require?""" start="01:02:48.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't require that,""" start="01:02:50.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we do try to encourage you to reproduce""" start="01:02:51.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it on master if we think that it matters.""" start="01:02:54.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so if you can, that's even better.""" start="01:02:57.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if the bug is there in Emacs 29,""" start="01:03:01.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe we want to fix it in Emacs 29.2.""" start="01:03:03.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the latest point release is also fine.""" start="01:03:06.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bugs in Emacs 28 at this point,""" start="01:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the previous major version,""" start="01:03:12.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might ask you to try to reproduce it on""" start="01:03:15.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 29 because we're not planning more""" start="01:03:17.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""releases of old major versions.""" start="01:03:19.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's the fundamental reason for that.""" start="01:03:21.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. Thank you for your answer.""" start="01:03:24.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Moving on to the next question.""" start="01:03:25.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On branching off sub-threads,""" start="01:03:27.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I note that they are less visible compared to""" start="01:03:29.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting a new thread in practice.""" start="01:03:31.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am wondering if it is just my impression or""" start="01:03:33.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something devs also observe.""" start="01:03:35.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's true. That's correct.""" start="01:03:37.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what to do about it.""" start="01:03:41.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want more visibility,""" start="01:03:42.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess just start a new thread.""" start="01:03:44.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know. I can only agree,""" start="01:03:47.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really. I concur. That's true.""" start="01:03:48.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Next question. What about rewriting""" start="01:03:51.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs in Rust? Use Guile instead of Elisp.""" start="01:03:54.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Multi-threaded Emacs. Make Emacs prettier and""" start="01:03:57.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shiny. And of course, same defaults.""" start="01:03:59.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just kidding. We are spoiled children because""" start="01:04:02.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you and Eli, Lars, and etc do an impressive""" start="01:04:04.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""work. I live in Emacs since 2001.""" start="01:04:08.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks. That was a good 1.""" start="01:04:11.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sane defaults. Okay, Well,""" start="01:04:14.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you. Thanks for that comment.""" start="01:04:18.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That made me chuckle. Next question by the""" start="01:04:20.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same person, I assume.""" start="01:04:23.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only downside I see with copyright""" start="01:04:24.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""assignment is that 1 has to disclose their""" start="01:04:26.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""real identity. Would it be a possibility to""" start="01:04:28.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""assign a copyright under a nickname?""" start="01:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you don't have to say a real name.""" start="01:04:33.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just register some pseudonym.""" start="01:04:34.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The FSF does need your real name,""" start="01:04:37.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's kept private only.""" start="01:04:39.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So feel free to reach out to assign at""" start="01:04:41.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gnu.org and ask more about that.""" start="01:04:45.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. All right, next question.""" start="01:04:49.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think it is possible to reach an""" start="01:04:51.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agreement on sane defaults for better""" start="01:04:53.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out-of-the-box experience?""" start="01:04:55.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so your sane is not my sane""" start="01:04:57.800" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""necessarily. So that's the fundamental""" start="01:05:00.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem that we're discussing here.""" start="01:05:01.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's a social,""" start="01:05:02.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not a technical problem.""" start="01:05:03.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do change defaults sometimes,""" start="01:05:05.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I mean, there is also some staying power.""" start="01:05:07.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's understandable that,""" start="01:05:09.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, it's, we can't just change them""" start="01:05:12.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""willy nilly and then flip flop between,""" start="01:05:13.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, 1 or the other kind of thing.""" start="01:05:15.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it does take a little bit more time.""" start="01:05:18.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, sure, we can.""" start="01:05:20.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do change defaults at times.""" start="01:05:23.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's perhaps more slower than what some""" start="01:05:26.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people would prefer, for sure.""" start="01:05:29.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's, yeah. Right,""" start="01:05:31.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all right. We have 2 more questions.""" start="01:05:36.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So will XWidgets have a future?""" start="01:05:37.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Seeing the new bugs popping up in the latest""" start="01:05:40.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""XWidget dev. Not sure if there was the rest""" start="01:05:42.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the question, But on XWidgets,""" start="01:05:45.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can you tell us a little more?""" start="01:05:46.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not really following now.""" start="01:05:48.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I'm not seeing a lot of development""" start="01:05:50.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on XWidgets currently.""" start="01:05:52.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people have done work in fixing up a few""" start="01:05:54.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bugs, but I think that feature really needs""" start="01:05:57.100" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more love. So I think we need,""" start="01:06:00.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, help is welcome,""" start="01:06:02.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""patch is welcome. That's what I can say about""" start="01:06:03.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. All right, and our final question of""" start="01:06:05.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the day. Have you voted for Emacs as the""" start="01:06:11.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software of the year on the Tuxes by Jupyter""" start="01:06:13.140" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Broadcasting? I did because Emacs 29 is""" start="01:06:15.140" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Thank you. Okay,""" start="01:06:17.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, good job voting.""" start="01:06:19.300" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't know, I don't know what Tuxy is on""" start="01:06:20.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jupyter broadcasting, but look it up and go""" start="01:06:22.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""vote. So I wish I could tell you,""" start="01:06:25.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I assume with Tux, it might be something""" start="01:06:28.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""related to Linux, but that's as much as I can""" start="01:06:29.500" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say. All right, well, Stefan,""" start="01:06:32.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much for taking the time not""" start="01:06:34.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only to do a wonderful presentation,""" start="01:06:36.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for answering all the questions of""" start="01:06:38.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community. Do you have anything else to""" start="01:06:39.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add? Just really thanks for all the questions""" start="01:06:41.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks for staying.""" start="01:06:45.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a long day, a long conference,""" start="01:06:47.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thanks for staying and listening to my""" start="01:06:49.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk as well. Really appreciate it.""" start="01:06:51.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate the good work you guys are doing""" start="01:06:52.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the scenes, organizing,""" start="01:06:54.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setting everything up.""" start="01:06:55.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And really humbled to be a part of this""" start="01:06:57.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community. So thank you all.""" start="01:07:00.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well I can assure you that no 1 either in the""" start="01:07:02.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organization team or the people watching now""" start="01:07:05.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""felt like it was tiring to stay and listen to""" start="01:07:08.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your answers. So thank you so much Stefan.""" start="01:07:10.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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Please e-mail [mail@vasilij.de](mailto:mail@vasilij.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20cubing%3A%20Speedcubing%20in%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="cubing-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone, and welcome to Speedcubing in Emacs.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First of all, a little bit about myself.""" start="00:00:08.360" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Vasilij Schneidermann. Online, I go by wasamasa.""" start="00:00:10.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm 31 years old. I work in information security,""" start="00:00:13.680" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I do consulting and hacking""" start="00:00:18.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like figuring out""" start="00:00:20.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to break into other people's computers""" start="00:00:22.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to secure their systems basically.""" start="00:00:25.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can reach me by email.""" start="00:00:29.360" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have a self-hosted code repository thingy going on.""" start="00:00:31.440" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a blog, and you can find me""" start="00:00:36.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in some other places online, like IRC for example.""" start="00:00:40.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So about the talk itself,""" start="00:00:45.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to be into the Rubik's cube when I was in school.""" start="00:00:48.680" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I forgot about it, though,""" start="00:00:52.840" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because these cubes were not very good.""" start="00:00:54.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Recently I did find some cheap looking cube at a shop.""" start="00:00:56.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Did not pay terribly much for it.""" start="00:01:02.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was so, so much better than my old cube,""" start="00:01:04.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was unreal.""" start="00:01:07.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This motivated me to get back into""" start="00:01:08.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this really weird kind of hobby.""" start="00:01:11.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this, you need to be good at producing""" start="00:01:13.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a truly random scramble""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and timing your attempts to get any better at it.""" start="00:01:19.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is, of course, existing software""" start="00:01:22.320" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do the scrambling for you and the recording""" start="00:01:23.720" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the timekeeping and such,""" start="00:01:26.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but all the good options seem to be either web or mobile,""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example the cstimer software""" start="00:01:31.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the twisty-timer app on Android.""" start="00:01:33.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Cubing in Emacs""" start="00:01:35.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""To my surprise, I did not find a single decent option""" start="00:01:35.400" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside Emacs, so this is basically a case study""" start="00:01:39.320" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to do better. For this, I wanted to make use of""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the cool new Emacs features that appeared,""" start="00:01:45.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the SVG library; Transient,""" start="00:01:47.800" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the library used for the Magit-style interfaces;""" start="00:01:50.880" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the recently added sqlite-mode.""" start="00:01:53.600" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And most importantly it was about having fun.""" start="00:01:56.440" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Prior art""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So here's a full list of prior art,""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will not go into detail about this,""" start="00:02:02.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically we have things solving""" start="00:02:04.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very different parts of this,""" start="00:02:06.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not all of it. For example: we have several,""" start="00:02:08.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have a timer. We have several solvers.""" start="00:02:10.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some scramblers.""" start="00:02:14.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some whole-cube simulators, including a 3D one.""" start="00:02:16.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have something for making it easier""" start="00:02:19.360" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to enter your algorithms in the notation.""" start="00:02:20.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But nothing that does all of those things in one package,""" start="00:02:23.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which kind of surprised me.""" start="00:02:25.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I present the `wca-prep` package.""" start="00:02:28.120" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The name""" start="00:02:32.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So the name, I found it difficult""" start="00:02:32.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to come up with a good name and so I looked""" start="00:02:35.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I saw, well there's this World Cube Association""" start="00:02:39.960" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that holds these competitions where you compete.""" start="00:02:42.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do this for the Rubik's cube""" start="00:02:46.040" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also a few others,""" start="00:02:47.760" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's like a standardized list""" start="00:02:48.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of events they have for this.""" start="00:02:50.800" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is a standard notation for this""" start="00:02:52.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and rules and everything.""" start="00:02:55.160" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the goal of my package is basically""" start="00:02:56.520" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help prepare myself for such a competition""" start="00:02:58.200" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in fact a week ago I went to my first one""" start="00:03:01.280" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was wild, but pretty cool.""" start="00:03:03.680" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for this reason I chose this name wca-prep,""" start="00:03:06.720" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it helps me prepare for this kind of competition""" start="00:03:10.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this limited the scope significantly,""" start="00:03:13.640" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What's in wca-prep""" start="00:03:16.520" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I have a scrambler, visualization of the scramble,""" start="00:03:16.520" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""timer, and statistics.""" start="00:03:19.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I excluded pretty much everything else I've seen.""" start="00:03:23.320" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this reason, I only tried to focus on""" start="00:03:25.560" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some very basic puzzles I can solve comfortably,""" start="00:03:28.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and did not want to do anything else""" start="00:03:32.200" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that may complicate things significantly.""" start="00:03:34.840" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No other kinds of puzzles, no simulation, no solving,""" start="00:03:36.440" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no exotic events, and no specialized scrambles""" start="00:03:40.480" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are only good for practicing specific algorithms.""" start="00:03:43.920" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:03:49.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So at this point the organizer should hopefully show""" start="00:03:49.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a small video I've prepared, a one minute video showing how""" start="00:03:54.200" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually use this to solve a cube and to time my solve.""" start="00:03:58.000" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Challenges: Representing the cube""" start="00:05:15.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, so building this thing, there were several challenges.""" start="00:05:15.240" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one was how do I even represent""" start="00:05:18.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the state of a Rubik's cube.""" start="00:05:20.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this there are many possible representations,""" start="00:05:22.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no obvious best solution.""" start="00:05:25.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did not, well, what helped me was that""" start="00:05:27.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did not have to programmatically solve this thing,""" start="00:05:29.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I picked the easiest possible representation""" start="00:05:31.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just an array of every single facelet.""" start="00:05:35.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For a 3x3 cube you have 9 facelets on one side,""" start="00:05:38.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so times 6 sides you would have 54 elements in this array.""" start="00:05:42.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So with this representation, it's very simple,""" start="00:05:47.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's kind of weird to do scrambles with this.""" start="00:05:49.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But otherwise, it worked very, very well.""" start="00:05:52.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the future, I plan to learn some group theory,""" start="00:05:54.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pick a better representation""" start="00:05:57.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do this in a much, much more elegant way""" start="00:05:58.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without compromising speed too much.""" start="00:06:01.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. Once I had the representation,""" start="00:06:07.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the scrambling itself should not be too hard.""" start="00:06:10.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this, it's important to consider that basically""" start="00:06:13.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you do a face turn""" start="00:06:17.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you end up swapping some facelets with other facelets,""" start="00:06:19.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the easiest way to think about this.""" start="00:06:22.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To determine which one goes into which one's position,""" start="00:06:26.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was pretty confusing to figure this out.""" start="00:06:29.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this I went through a few papers,""" start="00:06:32.471" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I found one which suggested""" start="00:06:34.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just build a cube out of paper,""" start="00:06:36.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""number every facelet, and turn it""" start="00:06:37.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and keep track of which facelet moved into which position.""" start="00:06:40.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And programmatically, the `cl-rotatef` macro""" start="00:06:44.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was very, very useful for doing this kind of""" start="00:06:47.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-place swapping you need for this operation.""" start="00:06:49.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in the future, group theory would hopefully""" start="00:06:51.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make this a bit less awkward.""" start="00:06:54.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a photo of this paper cube I made""" start="00:06:57.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with a real cube. As you can see""" start="00:07:00.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mathematically speaking, they are the same thing,""" start="00:07:03.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they just look very, very different.""" start="00:07:07.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Scrambling""" start="00:07:09.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So the scramble algorithm itself,""" start="00:07:09.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I pondered how this would even be done. In the competitions,""" start="00:07:14.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do this in a very, very elaborate way.""" start="00:07:19.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They generate a random cube,""" start="00:07:21.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they try to solve it, and if it's solvable""" start="00:07:22.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they use these solution moves""" start="00:07:25.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to turn into a scramble basically.""" start="00:07:28.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they also make sure to canonicalize the moves,""" start="00:07:30.829" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you have subsequent moves that can be simplified,""" start="00:07:34.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they do simplify these as much as possible.""" start="00:07:38.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example,""" start="00:07:40.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you have two subsequent rotations in one direction,""" start="00:07:41.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's turned into a different kind of rotation,""" start="00:07:43.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so 90 and 90 equals 180.""" start="00:07:46.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the other Elisp scramblers I looked at,""" start="00:07:49.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they generate random moves.""" start="00:07:53.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of them do canonicalize. Not all of them.""" start="00:07:55.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one tries to do the best low-fi thing,""" start="00:07:57.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is, generating random moves,""" start="00:08:00.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""canonicalizing and repeating""" start="00:08:02.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until enough have been generated.""" start="00:08:04.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Visualization""" start="00:08:09.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""For the visualization I had to figure out""" start="00:08:09.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something else too complicated.""" start="00:08:13.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this, I tried to figure out""" start="00:08:14.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where every facelift would end up in the puzzle view""" start="00:08:17.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you would unfold it.""" start="00:08:19.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for this, I did not consider the facelet orientation.""" start="00:08:21.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This may be important later for some other puzzles""" start="00:08:25.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can end up with very twisted faces,""" start="00:08:29.269" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for simple cubes, it's not a problem.""" start="00:08:31.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My initial prototype used colored text,""" start="00:08:33.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but later, I used the SVG library.""" start="00:08:36.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It turned out to be easy enough to use, actually.""" start="00:08:38.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I have hard-coded face-color mappings,""" start="00:08:41.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I plan to replace this so that theming is possible.""" start="00:08:46.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you happen to have a cube""" start="00:08:49.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that does not have the same color mappings as I do,""" start="00:08:51.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you should be able to fix this.""" start="00:08:54.690" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""UI with Transient""" start="00:08:56.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next challenge was to build""" start="00:08:56.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a beautiful intuitive UI with Transient.""" start="00:09:01.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason why I chose this is""" start="00:09:03.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it would be self-documenting and Magit-style,""" start="00:09:06.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everyone knows how Magit works basically.""" start="00:09:10.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since Transient has become part of Emacs,""" start="00:09:12.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is really no reason to not try it out.""" start="00:09:15.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The problem was documentation is difficult to understand.""" start="00:09:17.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very abstract and high level,""" start="00:09:21.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's hard to figure out. "Okay,""" start="00:09:23.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to do something,""" start="00:09:25.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how am I supposed to do this?"""" start="00:09:26.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did find transient-showcase, which has lots of examples,""" start="00:09:28.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they don't really feel finished""" start="00:09:33.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not realistic enough.""" start="00:09:35.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I tried to use the package,""" start="00:09:39.069" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got plenty of unhelpful error messages""" start="00:09:40.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when using it incorrectly.""" start="00:09:42.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did manage to figure it out,""" start="00:09:44.109" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I plan to find more actual examples of it,""" start="00:09:45.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have an executable reference basically""" start="00:09:50.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and try to improve my use of it.""" start="00:09:53.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Book-keeping with SQLite""" start="00:09:55.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""For the book-keeping, I used SQLite.""" start="00:09:55.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a very recent addition to Emacs,""" start="00:10:01.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it only appeared in the current major version.""" start="00:10:04.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's still very early days.""" start="00:10:07.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found some oddities, one of them turned out to be""" start="00:10:09.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bug in the transaction macro.""" start="00:10:13.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like basically, if you do an SQL transaction""" start="00:10:14.829" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an error happens, then every helper I found""" start="00:10:17.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does a rollback on an error.""" start="00:10:20.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this one did not. It actually committed on an error,""" start="00:10:20.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this was very weird to figure out.""" start="00:10:26.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reported a bug. Eli was nice enough to send me a patch.""" start="00:10:29.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We did some patch review,""" start="00:10:34.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he ended up fixing it properly.""" start="00:10:35.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yes, there's still a lot to be done there, and yeah,""" start="00:10:37.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the API is very basic.""" start="00:10:45.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have convenience helpers""" start="00:10:46.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like fetch the first row or fetch the first value""" start="00:10:48.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything, but they're easy enough to write yourself.""" start="00:10:51.309" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the biggest challenge with this bookkeeping part""" start="00:10:54.430" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was figuring out a decent schema,""" start="00:10:56.370" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like how to organize data correctly""" start="00:10:58.029" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it would not be awkward to manipulate.""" start="00:11:00.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with this, you can finally build a package""" start="00:11:02.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that remembers its state properly""" start="00:11:05.749" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and don't have to run into foot guns""" start="00:11:07.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Lisp-style serialization, deserialization.""" start="00:11:10.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:11:12.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So yes, that concludes it so far.""" start="00:11:12.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what did I learn from this exercise?""" start="00:11:18.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, there are still plenty of packages""" start="00:11:22.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs to be written.""" start="00:11:24.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you think everything you can think of""" start="00:11:25.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you need has already been written, well, guess what?""" start="00:11:28.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No.""" start="00:11:31.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are still plenty of specialized things""" start="00:11:31.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that could need your help.""" start="00:11:34.045" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These cubes do not require advanced mathematics,""" start="00:11:36.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contrary to what you may think.""" start="00:11:39.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, you can apply advanced mathematics to them""" start="00:11:41.149" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to, but you don't have to.""" start="00:11:44.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What surprised me about this is basically group theory.""" start="00:11:47.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've heard of it before.""" start="00:11:50.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It seemed to be a meme, basically,""" start="00:11:52.069" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it has been like mostly Haskell people""" start="00:11:53.829" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being very excited about this""" start="00:11:56.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it seemed kind of, like, divorced from reality, basically.""" start="00:11:58.189" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this puzzle, it actually proves that yes,""" start="00:12:02.509" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has its use.""" start="00:12:05.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It definitely has.""" start="00:12:06.949" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have to find the right problem matching it,""" start="00:12:08.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yeah.""" start="00:12:11.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, once I understand it better,""" start="00:12:13.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the topic, I expect to write better code.""" start="00:12:15.389" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These new Emacs features, they work well enough.""" start="00:12:18.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are some rough edges.""" start="00:12:24.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They definitely need more testing.""" start="00:12:25.909" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So please, please, everyone,""" start="00:12:27.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you write Elisp, please try SQLite or Transient""" start="00:12:30.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything else that looks cool and shiny.""" start="00:12:34.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Report bugs.""" start="00:12:36.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Find ways to improve them, anything. And yeah,""" start="00:12:38.469" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sure that if we do this,""" start="00:12:41.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Emacs will continue to get even better.""" start="00:12:44.869" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, what's next for this package?""" start="00:12:47.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I could... There are lots of obvious UI improvements""" start="00:12:51.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and testing to be done.""" start="00:12:55.989" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I basically want to reach feature parity""" start="00:12:57.349" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the twisty-timer app, which this is very much inspired by.""" start="00:12:59.709" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want nice-looking stats like graphical ones""" start="00:13:02.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of just a simple list of times.""" start="00:13:06.669" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I want support for more puzzles, of course,""" start="00:13:08.789" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not just the simple cubes,""" start="00:13:11.229" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as I progress learning these puzzles,""" start="00:13:12.549" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to have Emacs supporting me for this.""" start="00:13:14.589" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But generally, it's a very open-ended package.""" start="00:13:18.069" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this concludes the talk.""" start="00:13:22.429" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:13:26.629" video="mainVideo-cubing" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20devel%3A%20Emacs%20development%20updates) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="devel-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""2 seconds. All right. I think we are live.""" start="00:00:02.419" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. So, hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:08.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have the pleasure to welcome John Wiegley""" start="00:00:10.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in person to this EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:13.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, John. Hello there.""" start="00:00:15.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are you doing, Leo?""" start="00:00:17.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am doing fantastic, and even more now that""" start="00:00:18.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am in a room with you because we've been,""" start="00:00:21.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we were reminiscing with Sacha.""" start="00:00:24.279" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you had been there in person in 2013 And""" start="00:00:25.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since we started doing those online,""" start="00:00:30.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juan, since 2019, I think you've always been""" start="00:00:32.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""online, right? Usually it's a pre-recorded""" start="00:00:35.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""video. I think this will be the first 1 I do""" start="00:00:38.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live in a long time. You're right.""" start="00:00:40.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm saying we are online right now,""" start="00:00:42.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just meant pre-recorded video.""" start="00:00:44.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's good to have you almost in person or""" start="00:00:45.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least live and we are excited to hear""" start="00:00:48.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about some of the Emacs news.""" start="00:00:50.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the floor is yours.""" start="00:00:52.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, well welcome everybody.""" start="00:00:55.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the yearly state of the Emacs union,""" start="00:00:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess, about how Emacs development is""" start="00:01:00.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going. Just to note, I am not currently a""" start="00:01:02.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainer of Emacs. So what I do to get""" start="00:01:05.379" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these notes is I call up my friend,""" start="00:01:07.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eli Zaretsky, 1 of the current Emacs""" start="00:01:09.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers, and he and I sit down for an""" start="00:01:12.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hour, and he just gives me his dump of what's""" start="00:01:13.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been going on. So I'm sort of just the""" start="00:01:17.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messenger here. But thanks to Eli for these""" start="00:01:19.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notes and all of the efforts that he""" start="00:01:22.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contributes. So what he's been telling me is""" start="00:01:24.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this Emacs 29 release that we had""" start="00:01:27.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recently looks to have been very,""" start="00:01:30.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very successful, which is some good news,""" start="00:01:31.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there were a lot of new features,""" start="00:01:33.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some of those features were actually""" start="00:01:35.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite radical. So far,""" start="00:01:37.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's been quite a success,""" start="00:01:39.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no serious problems with it,""" start="00:01:40.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have Emacs 29.2""" start="00:01:42.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be released very soon.""" start="00:01:45.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are thinking now about starting the""" start="00:01:47.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 30 release cycle soon after 29.2""" start="00:01:50.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is released, where the release branch,""" start="00:01:53.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is called Emacs-30 usually,""" start="00:01:55.880" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be cut and then development will become""" start="00:01:59.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""frozen with only bug fixes going into that""" start="00:02:01.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""branch. That may take quite some time until""" start="00:02:03.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it actually comes to fruition as a release,""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but at least it means that the release is""" start="00:02:09.639" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to start taking shape in that branch""" start="00:02:11.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""soon. So, for now, Emacs 30 looks like maybe""" start="00:02:13.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's going to be a little less interesting""" start="00:02:17.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than Emacs 29 was, meaning not a huge number""" start="00:02:19.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of changing features. But there are still""" start="00:02:23.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some new things going in.""" start="00:02:25.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So 1 of them is that Emacs 30 is going to""" start="00:02:26.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have Android support. So you will be able to""" start="00:02:29.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run Emacs 30 on your Android devices.""" start="00:02:32.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you've ever wanted to have native Emacs""" start="00:02:35.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on a tablet, which I know I've always wanted,""" start="00:02:37.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will become possible with Emacs 30.""" start="00:02:40.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also going to be much better support""" start="00:02:43.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for touchscreen devices,""" start="00:02:45.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coincidentally, both laptops and tablets.""" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that'll enhance that Android support.""" start="00:02:50.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There will be some recently gained support""" start="00:02:54.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for LLDB in GUD.dl. So if you're on a Mac OS""" start="00:02:57.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine or a machine that uses just LLVM as""" start="00:03:01.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of the compilation process,""" start="00:03:05.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you probably are familiar with LLDB as""" start="00:03:07.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the command line debugger.""" start="00:03:10.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that support for using LLDB through a GUD""" start="00:03:11.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will become possible in Emacs 30.""" start="00:03:15.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm looking forward to this actually quite a""" start="00:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit as well. C Perl mode is being deprecated,""" start="00:03:19.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all future work now is only being put""" start="00:03:23.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""towards C Perl mode. Another 1 is that there""" start="00:03:25.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are going to be some new major modes based on""" start="00:03:30.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeSitter. They will be for the languages""" start="00:03:33.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:03:35.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're not familiar,""" start="00:03:38.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think TreeSitter was introduced in Emacs""" start="00:03:40.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""29. It's a library that allows you to specify""" start="00:03:42.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the grammar of a programming language as a""" start="00:03:47.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BNF file, and I think using JavaScript,""" start="00:03:49.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then with that file as input to Emacs,""" start="00:03:53.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is then able to do syntax highlighting,""" start="00:03:56.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax discovery, all of those things within""" start="00:04:00.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs without having to use elisp and regexps""" start="00:04:03.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to discover the structure of the language.""" start="00:04:06.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It defers the structure gathering to""" start="00:04:08.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeSitter and then uses that information to""" start="00:04:10.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""navigate the language.""" start="00:04:13.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, As time goes on, you'll see more and more""" start="00:04:15.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages taking on TreeSetter support.""" start="00:04:17.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the next 3 coming up,""" start="00:04:19.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:04:21.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the last feature for Emacs 30 is""" start="00:04:24.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the byte compiler will now detect and""" start="00:04:26.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""warn about many more questionable constructs.""" start="00:04:29.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things like empty macro bodies,""" start="00:04:33.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""missing lexical constructs,""" start="00:04:35.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or say, condition case without any handlers.""" start="00:04:37.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just silly stuff that might litter the code,""" start="00:04:40.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now you'll get a warning about it from""" start="00:04:43.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the byte compiler to help you clean up the""" start="00:04:45.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code and get rid of those potential sites of""" start="00:04:46.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""error. So this is the main thing that will be""" start="00:04:49.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worked on for Emacs 30 and what's looked like""" start="00:04:52.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shaping up for the release.""" start="00:04:55.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, he wanted me to announce that""" start="00:04:56.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan Kongas is now a new co-maintainer.""" start="00:04:58.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Stefan is, I believe,""" start="00:05:01.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here with us in the conference and he'll be""" start="00:05:03.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""able, I hope, to help me answer any questions""" start="00:05:05.500" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about future Emacs development because I'm""" start="00:05:08.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not in the heat of it and don't have all""" start="00:05:10.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those answers at the moment.""" start="00:05:12.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So That is all there is as far as a""" start="00:05:14.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""development update for now.""" start="00:05:17.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I am available to take any questions.""" start="00:05:19.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Thank you so much,""" start="00:05:24.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sean, for being the messenger of all this""" start="00:05:26.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good news. I mean, you did start by saying""" start="00:05:29.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this would not be as exciting,""" start="00:05:31.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps, as prior releases of Emacs,""" start="00:05:33.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you then proceeded to say a lot of stuff""" start="00:05:36.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it felt very exciting to me.""" start="00:05:38.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So good, good. Glad to hear that.""" start="00:05:40.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. So we do have questions coming in""" start="00:05:44.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""already and again people the link is on IRC""" start="00:05:47.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also on the talks page if you want to""" start="00:05:50.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start asking questions.""" start="00:05:52.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So John what I'm going to do I'm going to""" start="00:05:53.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read you the questions and then you can""" start="00:05:54.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer them. Is that okay with you?""" start="00:05:56.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Absolutely. 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Native compilation has""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been quite brilliant for some of the larger""" start="00:06:25.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages that I use. I do a lot of stuff in""" start="00:06:27.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. I use GNU's, I use E-Shell,""" start="00:06:29.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Org Mode quite a lot.""" start="00:06:31.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So native compilation has brought the user""" start="00:06:33.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""experience much closer to a modern app than""" start="00:06:36.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of the lagging and slowness that I might""" start="00:06:39.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have experienced in the past.""" start="00:06:42.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely. Moving on to the next question.""" start="00:06:44.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you think the future in the area of""" start="00:06:47.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""artificial intelligence from the developer""" start="00:06:49.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""point of view? Could you say that 1 more""" start="00:06:51.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time? Your voice broke up a little bit.""" start="00:06:53.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, sorry. What do you think the future in""" start="00:06:54.876" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the area of artificial intelligence from the""" start="00:06:55.025" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developer point of view?""" start="00:06:55.141" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Could you say that 1 more time?""" start="00:06:55.208" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Your voice broke up a little bit.""" start="00:06:55.324" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, sorry. What do you think the future in""" start="00:06:55.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the area of artificial intelligence from the""" start="00:06:58.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developer point of view?""" start="00:07:00.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also a shaky question,""" start="00:07:01.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, but you get the point.""" start="00:07:02.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do use chat-gpt-shell inside of Emacs quite""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bit, actually, when doing development in""" start="00:07:09.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other languages. 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And there's of course...""" start="00:16:15.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""May I jump in about this particular question""" start="00:16:18.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I think I mean You know,""" start="00:16:21.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode doesn't really have any problems""" start="00:16:25.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with releases Correct.""" start="00:16:27.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just because it's distributed with Emacs so""" start="00:16:29.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a difference between being in the""" start="00:16:32.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core proper and being distributed with Emacs.""" start="00:16:35.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for something like use packages,""" start="00:16:38.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's really necessary to be in the core.""" start="00:16:40.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for something like major mode,""" start="00:16:42.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a bit easier. 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Gianni,""" start="00:16:55.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe you also wanted to say something""" start="00:16:59.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before someone started jumped in with a""" start="00:17:01.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question do you happen to remember okay""" start="00:17:03.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's fine I lost her to lost to their time""" start="00:17:08.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll be moving on to the next question then""" start="00:17:12.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by the way feel free to interrupt us you""" start="00:17:15.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know The whole point of this discussion is""" start="00:17:17.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you to ask questions to John Wheatley.""" start="00:17:19.619" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So whether it be via the other pad or via""" start="00:17:21.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BBB, choose your weapon.""" start="00:17:23.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, moving on to the next question in""" start="00:17:27.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the meantime. And we have about 7 minutes""" start="00:17:28.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""left of Q&A and then we'll be moving on to""" start="00:17:30.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stéphane. So, do you use other IDEs for""" start="00:17:32.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""theorem proving work, notably VS Code for""" start="00:17:35.780" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lean? Which languages and provers can or do""" start="00:17:38.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you use Emacs for? 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So I have everything installed,""" start="00:18:02.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't really started coding in""" start="00:18:05.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""earnest. I'm still reading a lot of the""" start="00:18:07.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tutorials and learning a bit about the""" start="00:18:08.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language. There was a while there where I""" start="00:18:10.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used a IDE for ACL 2 that was outside of""" start="00:18:13.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, only because it was the same IDE all""" start="00:18:17.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my co-workers were using and it was easier to""" start="00:18:19.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""share tips and tricks with them.""" start="00:18:22.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, no, I found Emacs to be a great""" start="00:18:24.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""home for doing theorem proving.""" start="00:18:28.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Next question. Can we see that AI""" start="00:18:32.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generated draft? You know what you mentioned""" start="00:18:36.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before about the draft that you then fed into""" start="00:18:40.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ChargPT? Do you happen to have this draft""" start="00:18:43.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anywhere? Let me see if it's still on GitHub.""" start="00:18:45.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just take me 1 second to take a look here.""" start="00:18:51.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take your time. The problem is I don't quite""" start="00:18:55.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""remember where I made the note.""" start="00:18:59.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But no, I don't see it on GitHub,""" start="00:19:04.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I don't have it readily at hand.""" start="00:19:07.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, that's fine. We'll be able to...""" start="00:19:10.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, if you happen to find it,""" start="00:19:13.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll make sure to add it on the pad and then""" start="00:19:15.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the talks page. 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I did find it.""" start="00:19:54.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna have to give it to you as a link""" start="00:19:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. Sure, you can do it on the blue button""" start="00:20:01.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll put it on the pad.""" start="00:20:03.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I put it into the public chat for Bibi.""" start="00:20:10.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. So if anyone is interested,""" start="00:20:12.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm putting it right in the answer to the""" start="00:20:15.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question right here on my screen.""" start="00:20:18.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So feel free to click on it and explore it.""" start="00:20:20.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm kind of curious, so I'm gonna...""" start="00:20:22.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can I click it on stream and can we look at""" start="00:20:23.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it a little bit together?""" start="00:20:25.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, sure. I haven't tried running it,""" start="00:20:26.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't say for its fitness,""" start="00:20:29.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's definitely enough of the groundwork""" start="00:20:31.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done that it's absolutely an assistance.""" start="00:20:34.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Okay, so it's loading up right now?""" start="00:20:38.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see my webcam,""" start="00:20:41.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? I can see your browser attempting to""" start="00:20:42.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load. There we go. Okay,""" start="00:20:45.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. So I'm not sure what GitHub is doing.""" start="00:20:47.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me give it a little more room.""" start="00:20:50.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reactive setup is not working too well.""" start="00:20:51.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I see. You're viewing the...""" start="00:20:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see. Can I see the file then?""" start="00:20:59.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should be able to see the file.""" start="00:21:02.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think he just mentions the code in that""" start="00:21:06.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comment. So if there's a way to view only the""" start="00:21:09.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comment it would make it clear.""" start="00:21:11.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Okay. I'm loading the file separately.""" start="00:21:14.897" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm checking the time.""" start="00:21:17.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have about 3 minutes left and I think we""" start="00:21:18.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have a question. In the meantime,""" start="00:21:21.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whilst I show this, I'm gonna launch another""" start="00:21:22.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, which was about Drafts.""" start="00:21:25.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are carrying, you're talking about""" start="00:21:29.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drafts, but does that mean you're not using""" start="00:21:30.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org anymore? Oh, no, I use org all the time.""" start="00:21:32.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, the way that I've configured drafts""" start="00:21:35.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that after I type the thing in the note""" start="00:21:38.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into drafts, I hit a key and it creates an""" start="00:21:40.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org mode capture item for it.""" start="00:21:43.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason why I use Drafts instead of Emacs""" start="00:21:45.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is because it's always available.""" start="00:21:48.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If Emacs is currently doing some job for me,""" start="00:21:51.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say I'm running some long-running subshell""" start="00:21:53.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the UI is frozen up whatnot,""" start="00:21:57.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drafts is always 100% of the time instantly""" start="00:21:59.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""available. 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I think we have,""" start="00:22:34.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might be too tight on time.""" start="00:22:38.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We only have about 2 minutes and I need to""" start="00:22:39.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jump room to go into Stephane's room as well.""" start="00:22:41.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So John, where I get to thank you so much for""" start="00:22:44.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking the time to answer our questions,""" start="00:22:47.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also doing a little bit of reporting on""" start="00:22:53.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the state of Emacs. And now we'll get to""" start="00:22:55.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue this with Stéphane.""" start="00:22:58.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So do you have any last words for everyone,""" start="00:22:59.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John? No, no. I look forward to hearing""" start="00:23:01.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stéphane speak. Okay, great.""" start="00:23:03.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll look forward,""" start="00:23:06.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""potentially, to having you again next year,""" start="00:23:07.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""potentially still doing news like this,""" start="00:23:10.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, fingers crossed, maybe having you live""" start="00:23:12.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again. Maybe, maybe let's see what happens.""" start="00:23:15.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, John. Thank you so much.""" start="00:23:19.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye. Bye bye.""" start="00:23:20.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/devel-nav.md b/2023/info/devel-nav.md index d15edbe2..f8671bdc 100644 --- a/2023/info/devel-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/devel-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/ref">Org-Mode workflow: informal reference tracking</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hyperamp">Top 10 ways Hyperbole amps up Emacs</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/unentangling">(Un)entangling projects and repos</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/core">Emacs core development: how it works</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/doc-after.md b/2023/info/doc-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..761d1803 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/doc-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1141 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="doc-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk is on literate documentation""" start="00:00:04.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emacs and org-mode.""" start="00:00:07.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to take just a moment here""" start="00:00:10.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to unpack what I just said.""" start="00:00:12.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, as most of us probably already know,""" start="00:00:14.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a powerful text editor and list programming environment""" start="00:00:17.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the 1970s.""" start="00:00:21.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Chances are, if you're attending this talk,""" start="00:00:23.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you already know a bit about Emacs.""" start="00:00:25.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode is an Emacs major mode and authoring tool""" start="00:00:28.820" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helps you write documents in a plain text markup""" start="00:00:32.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language called Org.""" start="00:00:36.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These Org documents can be exported""" start="00:00:37.740" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a number of different document formats,""" start="00:00:40.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like HTML, PDF, ODT, Markdown, and more.""" start="00:00:42.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode has a lot of features.""" start="00:00:48.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be an outliner, a to-do list manager,""" start="00:00:51.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an agenda, organizer, and much more.""" start="00:00:54.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org Babel and literate programming""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Today, we're going to be demonstrating""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I consider to be org-mode's killer feature called""" start="00:00:59.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Babel.""" start="00:01:03.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Babel allows you to take human language prose,""" start="00:01:04.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""computer language source code blocks, and their outputs""" start="00:01:07.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and weave them together seamlessly""" start="00:01:11.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to form a cohesive document.""" start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is seriously cool.""" start="00:01:16.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Literate documentation is a play on the term""" start="00:01:19.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literate programming, popularized by Donald Knuth""" start="00:01:21.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the early 1980s.""" start="00:01:25.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Knuth's literate programming idea""" start="00:01:27.380" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was that computer programs could be""" start="00:01:29.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expressed in a natural language and be""" start="00:01:31.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""human-readable documents rather than written exclusively""" start="00:01:34.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for machines to read.""" start="00:01:38.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In a traditional program, you might""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have a bunch of machine-readable source code""" start="00:01:43.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a handful of human-readable comments,""" start="00:01:45.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which attempt to describe what the program is doing.""" start="00:01:48.560" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Literate programming flips this on its head.""" start="00:01:51.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A literate program is a document that""" start="00:01:54.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""describes how the program works with machine-readable source""" start="00:01:56.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code blocks inside of it.""" start="00:02:01.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These source code blocks are later""" start="00:02:02.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tangled out of the document and submitted to the machine""" start="00:02:04.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either to be compiled or interpreted and ultimately run.""" start="00:02:08.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""This presentation""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Throughout this presentation, you'll""" start="00:02:14.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see my browser window here on the left side of the screen.""" start="00:02:15.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And on the right side, I've got a terminal session""" start="00:02:19.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running tmux.""" start="00:02:22.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This allows us to have a virtual terminal window connected""" start="00:02:23.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to two separate Linux machines, one running Ubuntu Server 2204""" start="00:02:28.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and another running Fedora Server 38.""" start="00:02:35.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've specifically chosen these two distributions for my demo""" start="00:02:39.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they are representative of the two dominant flavors""" start="00:02:43.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of GNU Linux, Debian and RedHat.""" start="00:02:46.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In both cases, these are bare-bones server additions""" start="00:02:49.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the stock packages installed.""" start="00:02:53.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've manually installed a few packages like Git, emacs-noex""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the terminal version of emacs, and tmux.""" start="00:03:00.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But otherwise, these Linux installs""" start="00:03:04.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are what you'd get right out of the box.""" start="00:03:06.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this demo, I've created a literate org-mode document""" start="00:03:08.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that describes how to build GNU Emacs from its source code""" start="00:03:12.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on both Debian and RedHat-based systems.""" start="00:03:16.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While both operating systems are very similar,""" start="00:03:19.940" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they differ substantially on which packages""" start="00:03:22.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are installed out of the box, how optional packages are""" start="00:03:25.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""named, searched, and installed, and of course,""" start="00:03:29.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the distributions have different names,""" start="00:03:32.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Ubuntu or Fedora.""" start="00:03:34.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I chose building Emacs from source""" start="00:03:36.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a topic for this demonstration""" start="00:03:39.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because while the process is largely""" start="00:03:41.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the same on both RedHat and Debian,""" start="00:03:43.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are a lot of minor little differences""" start="00:03:46.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that need to be accounted for, which really prohibits you""" start="00:03:49.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from hard coding names of packages and package management""" start="00:03:52.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools and distributions into your document.""" start="00:03:57.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I suppose you could create two versions of the same document,""" start="00:04:01.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one specifically for RedHat and one specifically for Debian,""" start="00:04:05.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that would be really tedious to maintain.""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like if, for example, you updated some prose""" start="00:04:13.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one document, you'd have to remember""" start="00:04:16.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do it in the other one too.""" start="00:04:18.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you weren't careful, the two documents""" start="00:04:20.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could drift out of sync.""" start="00:04:22.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this demo, I'll show you techniques""" start="00:04:25.260" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for creating dynamic, literate documents that""" start="00:04:27.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can change based on parameters and constants embedded""" start="00:04:30.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the non-exported regions of the document.""" start="00:04:34.620" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show how with a single org-mode source document,""" start="00:04:38.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can press a couple of keys to configure""" start="00:04:41.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it to export a RedHat-specific version of my building""" start="00:04:44.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs from source essay or a Debian-specific version.""" start="00:04:48.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Getting started""" start="00:04:53.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right, let's get started.""" start="00:04:53.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll begin by firing up a new terminal Emacs session""" start="00:04:55.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on my Ubuntu machine.""" start="00:04:58.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I installed Emacs on this machine using apt-get.""" start="00:05:00.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And doing that, you get version 27.1,""" start="00:05:04.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, hey, only two major versions""" start="00:05:07.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the current version of Emacs.""" start="00:05:10.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is another reason why I thought""" start="00:05:13.011" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing a guide on how to build Emacs from source code""" start="00:05:15.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be a good idea.""" start="00:05:18.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can get a much newer version of Emacs on Ubuntu""" start="00:05:19.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you install it via Snap, but, uh, Snaps.""" start="00:05:22.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't get me started.""" start="00:05:25.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I wanted to use a completely vanilla""" start="00:05:28.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""terminal mode install of Emacs for this demonstration""" start="00:05:30.922" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because my personal Emacs config has a ton of packages""" start="00:05:34.620" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""installed and is heavily modified.""" start="00:05:38.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want folks to be able to follow along""" start="00:05:41.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a bog-standard, out-of-the-box Emacs config.""" start="00:05:43.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emacs config on this Ubuntu machine""" start="00:05:47.580" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has just two settings.""" start="00:05:49.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I require org-tempo because my fingers are hardwired""" start="00:05:51.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use some of the handy shortcuts that it provides.""" start="00:05:55.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also turn off the menu bar""" start="00:05:58.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I just can't stand to look at it.""" start="00:06:00.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's begin by opening a file called buildemacs.org,""" start="00:06:03.140" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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keywords.""" start="00:06:24.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These keywords are something that every backend exporter,""" start="00:06:27.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be it LaTeX or plain text or ODT or whatever, understands,""" start="00:06:30.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they're essentially document metadata.""" start="00:06:35.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, I'm typing `#+`""" start="00:06:38.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by a couple characters""" start="00:06:42.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then `M-TAB` to auto-complete.""" start="00:06:43.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you hit #+ by itself and then M-TAB,""" start="00:06:45.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see all the possible completions.""" start="00:06:50.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as you can see, there's a lot.""" start="00:06:53.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""README""" start="00:06:55.780" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next thing we're gonna do is make a README section""" start="00:06:55.780" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of this document.""" start="00:06:58.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This section is intended for folks""" start="00:06:59.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are looking at the org-mode document,""" start="00:07:02.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to figure out what it's for.""" start="00:07:04.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't want to actually 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+[[!template text="""let's try our hand at writing a code block.""" start="00:07:26.060" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm getting pretty sick of looking at""" start="00:07:29.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the default Emacs theme.""" start="00:07:31.289" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All that blue and purple in the document""" start="00:07:32.940" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it look bruised.""" start="00:07:35.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's make an Emacs Lisp code block""" start="00:07:37.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that switches the theme""" start="00:07:40.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to one of my favorite built-in themes, Leuven.""" start="00:07:41.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leuven was created by my man, Fabrice 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+[[!template text="""We can slap a `:results none` header arg""" start="00:08:23.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the code block to keep things nice and clean.""" start="00:08:26.560" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a lot of different header args,""" start="00:08:30.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I often confuse and misremember them.""" start="00:08:32.560" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll always refer back to the org-mode manual""" start="00:08:35.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when working with them.""" start="00:08:38.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Confirmation""" start="00:08:40.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second thing I don't like is that""" start="00:08:40.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we hit C-c C-c to execute the block,""" start="00:08:42.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs prompted us if we really wanted to run the block.""" start="00:08:46.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp is Emacs' mother tongue,""" start="00:08:49.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I don't wanna be hassled when speaking""" start="00:08:52.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my native language.""" start="00:08:53.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a variable that controls this""" start="00:08:55.380" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called `org-confirm-babel-evaluate`.""" start="00:08:57.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this can be either set to t or nil""" start="00:09:00.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] 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We'll fix that,""" start="00:15:36.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll also ensure that my email address appears""" start="00:15:38.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the document.""" start="00:15:42.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's also take this opportunity to get rid""" start="00:15:43.372" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the table of contents.""" start="00:15:45.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't need it.""" start="00:15:47.355" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all export option settings""" start="00:15:48.868" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can be modified using the options keyword""" start="00:15:51.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the doc.""" start="00:15:53.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The manual is really your friend here,""" start="00:15:55.509" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as there are a ton of export options.""" start="00:15:57.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now when we export the document again,""" start="00:16:00.980" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should look a lot better.""" start="00:16:03.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Substituting constants""" start="00:16:05.700" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now that we've cleaned up the look of the exported document,""" start="00:16:05.700" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll take a look at a better way""" start="00:16:09.060" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of solving the problem with the introduction.""" start="00:16:10.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thinking like a programmer for a moment,""" start="00:16:13.378" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I really want here is a way of specifying a constant.""" start="00:16:15.519" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rather than hard-coding the name "Debian" or "RedHat"""" start="00:16:19.735" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or whatever into my document,""" start="00:16:22.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to substitute that text with a symbolic constant,""" start="00:16:24.570" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""named something like "distro", that can dynamically change""" start="00:16:28.235" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to "Debian" or "RedHat" or "Slackware" or whatever,""" start="00:16:31.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's do a bit of cleanup on our document""" start="00:16:58.380" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll put things into sections.""" start="00:17:00.700" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll also add a section for document constants.""" start="00:17:02.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's where we'll put the properties drawer""" start="00:17:14.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the "distro" property.""" start="00:17:19.560" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Getting the properties""" start="00:17:25.740" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now the question is,""" start="00:17:25.740" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how do we reference these properties in the document?""" start="00:17:27.120" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the function arguments.""" start="00:19:17.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, when we export the document,""" start="00:19:19.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that it's replaced our previously hard coded "Debian"""" start="00:19:21.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the value from the property. Huzzah!""" start="00:19:26.050" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now this is close to, but not exactly what we want.""" start="00:19:29.410" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see that "Debian" is surrounded by a backtick""" start="00:19:32.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a single quote,""" start="00:19:36.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the plain text exporters way""" start="00:19:37.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of showing you verbatim text.""" start="00:19:40.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In more sophisticated document backends,""" start="00:19:43.030" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""verbatim text is rendered in monospace.""" start="00:19:45.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can fix that by adding a ":results raw" header 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see why I kept the macro name short.""" start="00:20:55.560" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's six curly braces in total we're typing,""" start="00:20:58.700" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which still takes up a fair amount of space.""" start="00:21:01.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Properties in practice""" start="00:21:05.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now let's take a look at how we might use""" start="00:21:05.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these properties in practice.""" start="00:21:07.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Debian and RedHat distros differ""" start="00:21:09.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how they install packages.""" start="00:21:11.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're gonna want an "install" property,""" start="00:21:12.930" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where in Debian we use `sudo apt-get install -qq`,""" start="00:21:16.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and on RedHat we'll use something like""" start="00:21:24.580" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`sudo dnf install -y`.""" start="00:21:26.940" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now development packages""" start="00:21:33.120" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also have a different naming convention.""" start="00:21:35.330" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the `ncurses` library on Debian""" start="00:21:38.050" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is called `libncurses-dev`,""" start="00:21:40.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:22:49.030" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we'll use a let expression with two bound variables.""" start="00:22:51.380" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is called ret,""" start="00:22:55.210" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which determines if the initial call""" start="00:22:56.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to `org-property-values` succeeds.""" start="00:22:59.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second variable is called prefix,""" start="00:23:01.950" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the prefix property.""" start="00:23:04.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If the first call to `org-property-values` succeeds,""" start="00:23:06.220" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we return it as normal.""" start="00:23:09.120" 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video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see that in action.""" start="00:23:35.330" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, now we're talking.""" start="00:23:40.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Switching distributions""" start="00:23:42.010" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This setup is starting to look pretty good,""" start="00:23:42.010" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are just a few things""" start="00:23:44.420" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to add before we move on.""" start="00:23:46.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First of all, I think the document should have a subtitle,""" start="00:23:48.660" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that tells you if you're looking at the RedHat""" start="00:23:51.240" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the Debian version of the document.""" start="00:23:53.960" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also think it would be great""" start="00:23:56.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if the file name of the exported document""" start="00:23:57.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reflected the distribution as well.""" start="00:24:00.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also want to add a quick Debian only section""" start="00:24:05.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the document that explains how it got its name.""" start="00:24:08.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's see what happens when we export the document.""" start="00:24:11.800" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This did not work out as we 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start="00:24:37.190" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another mistake that we made is we forgot to update""" start="00:24:43.220" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the `#+EXCLUDE_TAGS` export keyword,""" start="00:24:46.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because with the RedHat version of the document,""" start="00:24:49.100" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we want to exclude the Debian tag.""" start="00:24:51.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now when we export the document,""" start="00:24:54.510" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything should be correct.""" start="00:24:56.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The word RedHat should appear in the subtitle,""" start="00:24:57.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Debian fun fact section should not be 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video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is OK, but it's not great.""" start="00:25:23.290" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp can once again come to our rescue.""" start="00:25:26.290" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What we'll do is make an Elisp code block""" start="00:25:29.430" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will invite the user to hit `C-c C-c` on.""" start="00:25:32.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the code block will essentially make all these changes""" start="00:25:35.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the document for them.""" start="00:25:39.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This code block, which we'll call `switch_distro`,""" start="00:25:40.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""takes one argument called `os`,""" start="00:25:43.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which by default is set to "Debian".""" start="00:25:45.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It starts out with a let expression""" start="00:25:48.690" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that defines three bound variables.""" start="00:25:50.760" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `debian` variable is a boolean that is true""" start="00:25:53.030" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if the distro we're switching to is Debian.""" start="00:25:55.970" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Based on the value of this boolean,""" start="00:25:58.700" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll set the `noexport` and `prefix` variables accordingly.""" start="00:26:00.360" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `save-excursion` block tells Emacs""" start="00:26:04.170" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're going to be moving around in the document""" start="00:26:06.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to remember to put our point back where we started""" start="00:26:09.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the block finishes.""" start="00:26:11.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After that, we essentially go to the top of the document""" start="00:26:13.430" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and search and replace the subtitle, `exclude_tags`,""" start="00:26:16.250" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`export_file_name`, and the `prefix`.""" start="00:26:19.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty cool.""" start="00:26:22.500" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see this in action.""" start="00:26:23.390" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we hit `C-c C-c` on this block,""" start="00:26:25.030" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we should see the document automatically change a bit.""" start="00:26:27.870" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now when we export it,""" start="00:26:30.480" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we get the Debian version of the doc.""" start="00:26:32.320" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we want to change it back,""" start="00:26:36.090" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can just head back over to the code block""" start="00:26:37.630" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and change the default value for the os variable""" start="00:26:39.880" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from "Debian" to "RedHat" and hit `C-c C-c` again.""" start="00:26:43.150" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now when we re-export,""" start="00:26:47.620" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're looking at the RedHat version of the document.""" start="00:26:49.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just as an aside, if you ever thought to yourself,""" start="00:26:52.910" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""I should learn Emacs Lisp someday"""" start="00:26:55.860" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Make it someday soon. You'll be happy you did.""" start="00:26:58.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not only is it a fun programming language,""" start="00:27:01.290" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can do powerful things with it in Emacs,""" start="00:27:03.770" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I hope is a point that folks take away from this talk.""" start="00:27:06.680" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, that was a lot.""" start="00:27:12.150" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""A tour""" start="00:27:14.150" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now that we've spent the past 20 minutes or so""" start="00:27:14.150" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""digging into some of the tips and tricks I used""" start="00:27:16.840" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] 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video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slick professional looking PDF files""" start="00:27:41.690" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the power of LaTeX.""" start="00:27:44.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll start here at the orgdemo2 directory,""" start="00:27:46.580" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've cloned from GitLab.""" start="00:27:49.620" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This repository has all the source materials for this talk.""" start="00:27:51.230" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The buildemacs.org file is where most of the good stuff is.""" start="00:27:55.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's where we'll start.""" start="00:27:59.040" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot of file-local variables""" start="00:28:01.480" 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start="00:29:25.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or raw verbatim or just verbatim.""" start="00:29:28.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also have a couple of macros here at the top of the file""" start="00:29:31.870" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are for pulling strings out of results blocks""" start="00:29:35.070" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then trimming them""" start="00:29:40.280" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's no white space on either side.""" start="00:29:41.920" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like in the version of the document""" start="00:29:44.720" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we worked on at the start of this talk,""" start="00:29:46.440" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the real document also has a README section""" start="00:29:48.430" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""marked with the `:noexport:` tag.""" start="00:29:51.080" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has a section about choosing""" start="00:29:53.470" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which version of the document to export""" start="00:29:55.400" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a code block on how to switch between them.""" start="00:29:57.910" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also got a lot of helpful information in it""" start="00:30:00.600" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like what OS and Emacs versions""" start="00:30:03.000" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the document has been tested to "run" on,""" start="00:30:05.820" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a section on the LaTeX prerequisites""" 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video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in the RedHat world, you use `dnf provides makeinfo`.""" start="00:40:55.160" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the Debian world, you do something entirely different.""" start="00:40:59.520" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we have to install the `ncurses` binary.""" start="00:41:02.290" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally we get like a minimal configuration""" start="00:41:06.640" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see that there's a whole bunch of nos here.""" start="00:41:10.300" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, we don't have cairo,""" start="00:41:13.700" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we don't have imagemagick, we don't have dbus,""" start="00:41:15.200" video="mainVideo-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you 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I have not messed with any other""" start="00:00:52.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Red Hat distributions other than Fedora.""" start="00:00:56.120" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to expand the document out to""" start="00:00:59.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Windows and to Mac OS as I think a lot of""" start="00:01:05.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people really want to build Emacs on those""" start="00:01:07.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""platforms because it's much harder to get""" start="00:01:09.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs binaries running on those platforms.""" start="00:01:13.080" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although they're around on the internet it's""" start="00:01:15.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not as bad as it used to be,""" start="00:01:17.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but building Emacs is very,""" start="00:01:19.280" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very fun thing to do.""" start="00:01:21.000" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I encourage everybody to do that.""" start="00:01:22.760" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. We're also getting comments from folks""" start="00:01:46.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here on BigBlueButton.""" start="00:01:46.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EXC or Matt saying, great talk,""" start="00:01:49.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good demonstration of what's possible.""" start="00:01:51.140" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Aaron thanking Mike,""" start="00:01:53.940" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying awesome presentation.""" start="00:01:54.760" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they missed the first few minutes and""" start="00:01:56.880" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to rewatch to get the portion that they""" start="00:01:59.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""missed.""" start="00:01:59.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I had a hard time cramming the entire talk""" start="00:02:03.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into 40 minutes. 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So some of the defaults are,""" start="00:08:34.780" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, they don't look good when you""" start="00:08:37.120" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""render them out in LaTeX and finally PDF.""" start="00:08:39.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's a lot of work to be done to tweak""" start="00:08:42.039" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the LaTeX environment so it looks as pretty""" start="00:08:45.380" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you might want it. And then just Org Mode""" start="00:08:48.620" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a lot of knobs that you can tune,""" start="00:08:50.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they have a pretty large impact on how""" start="00:08:53.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your document is exported.""" start="00:08:55.520" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think the hardest part is just knowing""" start="00:09:00.360" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's possible and knowing where all the""" start="00:09:03.820" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knobs are to tune and twist.""" start="00:09:05.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Got another question on the pad.""" start="00:09:10.240" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think we have about a minute or so on""" start="00:09:12.040" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the stream. So I'll read this question as""" start="00:09:13.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well. But folks, you're welcome to continue""" start="00:09:15.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the pad or just come join here on BBB""" start="00:09:17.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after myself and the stream move on to the""" start="00:09:20.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk. Yeah, and the next question is,""" start="00:09:23.100" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how do you normally debug,""" start="00:09:24.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, view the logs or see failed""" start="00:09:26.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""statuses when the commands in the source""" start="00:09:29.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocks fail, especially if they output lots""" start="00:09:32.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lots of logs, and you need to see the""" start="00:09:34.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""full history of the build.""" start="00:09:35.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so I see it in the messages buffer""" start="00:09:39.520" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever I export a document.""" start="00:09:42.080" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there's a failure, that's typically where""" start="00:09:44.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's written to. And I will actually kill the""" start="00:09:47.460" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messages buffer before I export so I know""" start="00:09:49.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only the messages in the buffer are for""" start="00:09:52.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my given export and I mentioned that""" start="00:09:55.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugging trick where you name all of your""" start="00:09:58.580" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode source blocks So if there is a""" start="00:10:00.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem in 1 of the blocks,""" start="00:10:02.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll actually tell you what the block,""" start="00:10:06.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the block the error occurred in.""" start="00:10:09.140" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't do that, it just gives you a""" start="00:10:13.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position number in the buffer.""" start="00:10:14.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And whenever I tried to convert those""" start="00:10:18.620" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position numbers to actual places where the""" start="00:10:21.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""error occurred, it was never exactly where I""" start="00:10:23.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suspected it would be.""" start="00:10:24.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I found that very difficult in debugging.""" start="00:10:26.680" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only real debugging tip I have is name""" start="00:10:29.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your source blocks, even if you don't refer""" start="00:10:32.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to them later.""" start="00:10:33.480" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I think that's all the time we have on""" start="00:10:39.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream. And I also have to drop as well.""" start="00:10:41.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thanks again so much,""" start="00:10:42.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike. And folks are welcome to come here and""" start="00:10:46.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue discussion here.""" start="00:10:47.980" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks again.""" start="00:10:52.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You""" start="00:21:45.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank""" start="00:22:00.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: you""" start="00:22:15.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for""" start="00:22:28.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching. You""" start="00:22:45.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:23:00.260" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20doc%3A%20Literate%20Documentation%20with%20Emacs%20and%20Org%20Mode) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/doc-before.md b/2023/info/doc-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..18772fdb --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/doc-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,45 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +Actually a general-audience talk; just on the development track for scheduling purposes + +[[!toc ]] +Format: 43-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-doc"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-doc--literate-documentation-with-emacs-and-org-mode--mike-hamrick--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-doc--literate-documentation-with-emacs-and-org-mode--mike-hamrick--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-doc--literate-documentation-with-emacs-and-org-mode--mike-hamrick--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/doc-nav.md b/2023/info/doc-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8c04bf51 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/doc-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/repl">REPLs in strange places: Lua, LaTeX, LPeg, LPegRex, TikZ</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/eat-after.md b/2023/info/eat-after.md index 9009873b..3358e962 100644 --- a/2023/info/eat-after.md +++ b/2023/info/eat-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,94 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [akib@disroot.org](mailto:akib@disroot.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20eat%3A%20Eat%20and%20Eat%20powered%20Eshell%2C%20fast%20featureful%20terminal%20inside%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="eat-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone. Welcome to my talk.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am Akib Azmain Turja and my talk is titled""" start="00:00:04.200" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Eat and Eat-powered Eshell:""" start="00:00:09.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fast, featureful terminal inside Emacs."""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Benchmarking""" start="00:00:15.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I just claimed that Eat is a fast terminal emulator.""" start="00:00:15.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you that. I will print a 1-megabyte sized file""" start="00:00:22.840" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the terminal using this command.""" start="00:00:33.280" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It takes 0.76 seconds. Now let's benchmark term-mode.""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be in term -mode. I use the same command,""" start="00:00:47.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's clearly the loser.""" start="00:00:54.800" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took 12 seconds, more than an order of magnitude slower.""" start="00:01:06.600" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's also measure the speed of return.""" start="00:01:18.320" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it took 0.79 seconds.""" start="00:01:27.280" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this is actually a little bit slower than Eat.""" start="00:01:33.480" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? That shouldn't happen.""" start="00:01:36.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, hopefully that shows how fast Eat is.""" start="00:01:41.800" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Running programs""" start="00:01:49.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's run some extra programs in Eat,""" start="00:01:49.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like top. You can also run htop or even btop.""" start="00:01:54.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is a fancy version of top.""" start="00:02:05.640" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And obviously you can run Emacs in it.""" start="00:02:08.560" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is mouse support, and there is true color support.""" start="00:02:20.240" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can show any color in the terminal""" start="00:02:33.880" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as long as your main display supports it.""" start="00:02:38.800" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Shell integration""" start="00:02:47.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And then there is shell integration.""" start="00:02:47.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, directory tracking.""" start="00:02:50.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, I can switch to some other directory""" start="00:02:52.400" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs follows the shell directory.""" start="00:03:07.480" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Prompt annotation""" start="00:03:11.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then there is prompt annotation,""" start="00:03:11.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this column. These zeros indicate""" start="00:03:16.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the command has executed successfully.""" start="00:03:20.320" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can navigate between commands like this.""" start="00:03:27.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Message passing""" start="00:03:37.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is message passing.""" start="00:03:37.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By message passing, I mean sending something""" start="00:03:39.400" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the terminal to the host Emacs.""" start="00:03:44.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By host Emacs, I mean Emacs running the terminal.""" start="00:03:46.960" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example I can say "hi" and it's showing "hi"""" start="00:03:52.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this echo area of my Emacs.""" start="00:03:57.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Shell integration""" start="00:04:03.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then let's show you the killer feature of Eat,""" start="00:04:03.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eat's shell integration.""" start="00:04:08.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can run any program in it. For example: top, btop,""" start="00:04:20.240" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and obviously Emacs itself.""" start="00:04:37.840" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Input modes""" start="00:04:52.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's discuss how to use Eat. There are four input modes.""" start="00:04:52.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is semi-char mode. That is the default mode.""" start="00:05:03.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is like vterm. All keys are the same to your terminal""" start="00:05:07.320" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except these keys: C-c, C-x, C-g, M-x, etc.""" start="00:05:10.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there is char-mode, where all keys""" start="00:05:17.880" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are same to your terminal, except this M-RET key""" start="00:05:20.600" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which takes you back to the semi-char mode.""" start="00:05:26.920" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there is Emacs mode where you can select""" start="00:05:29.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and copy from the terminal buffer.""" start="00:05:34.560" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally, there is line mode.""" start="00:05:39.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use it to use your terminal like a comint buffer.""" start="00:05:42.680" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All these input modes are available in both Eat""" start="00:05:49.200" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and eat-eshell mode, except this line mode--""" start="00:05:56.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's only available on Eat.""" start="00:06:05.880" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By "on Eat", I mean the terminal you get""" start="00:06:10.440" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by this eat command. By eshell, I mean""" start="00:06:13.960" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when eat-eshell integration is enabled""" start="00:06:20.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside the eshell buffer.""" start="00:06:23.145" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Documentation""" start="00:06:33.760" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is an info manual,""" start="00:06:33.760" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also the README is quite informative""" start="00:06:36.720" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you to get started.""" start="00:06:51.600" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you hit any problem,""" start="00:06:55.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a dedicated chapter for debugging that,""" start="00:07:13.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a common problems chapter.""" start="00:07:22.960" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If your problem is still not fixed,""" start="00:07:26.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please report it to me.""" start="00:07:28.000" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This helps me improve it for everyone.""" start="00:07:29.520" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you report, please read this chapter""" start="00:07:36.120" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can make a better bug report.""" start="00:07:40.360" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am really looking forward to how people use it""" start="00:07:53.160" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in their workflow.""" start="00:07:57.640" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am excited about that.""" start="00:07:59.080" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hopefully you enjoyed my talk. That was all.""" start="00:08:03.480" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enjoy EmacsConf. Goodbye.""" start="00:08:10.760" video="mainVideo-eat" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [akib@disroot.org](mailto:akib@disroot.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20eat%3A%20Eat%20and%20Eat%20powered%20Eshell%2C%20fast%20featureful%20terminal%20inside%20Emacs) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/eat-before.md b/2023/info/eat-before.md index f1f6f49a..daab0281 100644 --- a/2023/info/eat-before.md +++ b/2023/info/eat-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 9-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-eat"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-eat--eat-and-eat-powered-eshell-fast-featureful-terminal-inside-emacs--akib-azmain-turja--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-eat--eat-and-eat-powered-eshell-fast-featureful-terminal-inside-emacs--akib-azmain-turja--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/eat-nav.md b/2023/info/eat-nav.md index 13e11281..535ff9da 100644 --- a/2023/info/eat-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/eat-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/cubing">Speedcubing in Emacs</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emms">Emacs MultiMedia System (EMMS)</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/parallel">Parallel text replacement</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/poltys">The browser in a buffer</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md b/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md index 3a5535ff..bc5d9066 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsconf-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,3134 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [sacha@sachachua.com](mailto:sacha@sachachua.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20emacsconf%3A%20EmacsConf.org%3A%20How%20we%20use%20Org%20Mode%20and%20TRAMP%20to%20organize%20and%20run%20a%20multi-track%20conference) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="emacsconf-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Sacha Chua. This presentation is a quick tour""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of some of the things we do to run EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since 2019, we've run it as an entirely online conference,""" start="00:00:07.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we do as much of the organization as possible""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within Emacs itself.""" start="00:00:14.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reasons""" start="00:00:16.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I have three reasons for making this presentation.""" start="00:00:16.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first is entirely selfish: I need to figure out""" start="00:00:19.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the stuff I built for last year's EmacsConf,""" start="00:00:22.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since it was a bit of a crazy scramble.""" start="00:00:25.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second is that I want to show people""" start="00:00:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the process of thinking about a complex project,""" start="00:00:30.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking for little things to automate in Emacs,""" start="00:00:33.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and building things up from small pieces.""" start="00:00:35.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you'll get some ideas""" start="00:00:38.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and start building tools for yourself, too.""" start="00:00:39.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The third is that you find any of these little tools interesting,""" start="00:00:42.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to point you to blog posts and source code""" start="00:00:47.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can find out more.""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That way, you don't need to try""" start="00:00:51.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to read and understand everything quickly.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find this presentation and other links""" start="00:00:55.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the talk page at emacsconf.org/2023/talks/emacsconf.""" start="00:00:57.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a lot of different parts,""" start="00:01:04.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'll try to use this map to help make sense of it all.""" start="00:01:06.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Information""" start="00:01:09.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There's so much information to work with,""" start="00:01:09.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it probably doesn't surprise you that we use Org Mode a lot.""" start="00:01:11.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most of the conference coordination happens over e-mail,""" start="00:01:14.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I can quickly search with notmuch.""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of the information is private,""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like emergency contact numbers.""" start="00:01:22.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We store the talk information in a private Org file.""" start="00:01:24.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I try to put as much as possible""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into our public organizers' notebook""" start="00:01:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that processes and decisions are documented.""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need a public website.""" start="00:01:35.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use Ikiwiki to make the webpages""" start="00:01:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we can work with plain text files""" start="00:01:39.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a Git repository.""" start="00:01:41.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also make a few static HTML pages""" start="00:01:42.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for things where Ikiwiki is a little awkward.""" start="00:01:45.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We post announcements to mailing lists.""" start="00:01:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also receive submissions in a private mailing list""" start="00:01:50.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that a number of people can review them.""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a backstage area""" start="00:01:55.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for sharing files with volunteers and speakers.""" start="00:01:56.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We share those files publicly when the talk goes live.""" start="00:01:59.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's all the other stuff that goes into running EmacsConf,""" start="00:02:03.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like shell scripts and configuration files.""" start="00:02:06.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Properties""" start="00:02:09.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First, speakers propose a talk by sending an e-mail.""" start="00:02:09.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We take the info from that e-mail and store it in Org properties""" start="00:02:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can work with it later.""" start="00:02:15.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every talk is identified with an ID,""" start="00:02:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but since `:ID:` and `:CUSTOM_ID:` have special meanings for Org,""" start="00:02:20.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use `:SLUG:` as the keyword.""" start="00:02:24.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Speakers' names go into the `:NAME:` property,""" start="00:02:25.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a short version goes into `:NAME_SHORT:`""" start="00:02:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can include that in a greeting.""" start="00:02:29.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If people follow the template closely...""" start="00:02:32.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...we can even automatically fill in the Org subtree for their talk.""" start="00:02:34.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can use regular expressions to recognize the text""" start="00:02:38.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and extract the properties.""" start="00:02:40.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other properties need to be set by hand.""" start="00:02:42.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often mess things up when I retype them.""" start="00:02:45.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To avoid typos, I have a function that sets a property""" start="00:02:47.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on the current region. I bind that to `C-c C-x p`.""" start="00:02:51.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That makes it much easier to set properties""" start="00:02:56.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that couldn't automatically be recognized.""" start="00:02:58.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it makes sense to dynamically generate a property""" start="00:03:01.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then edit it, like with filenames.""" start="00:03:04.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We like to name all the talk files the same way,""" start="00:03:07.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but sometimes special characters in talk titles or speaker names""" start="00:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need a little tweaking. I'll put that in a `:FILE_PREFIX:` property""" start="00:03:14.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can edit it.""" start="00:03:17.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An Org property match can map over all the talk entries""" start="00:03:19.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that don't have `:FILE_PREFIX:` defined.""" start="00:03:22.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can use that `:FILE_PREFIX:` to rename files from Emacs.""" start="00:03:25.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With that property, we can then rename files using that prefix,""" start="00:03:29.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some extra text, and the file extension.""" start="00:03:32.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it's easier to work with the data outside Emacs,""" start="00:03:35.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when I want to rename files with a shell script.""" start="00:03:38.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I export a subset of the data as JSON""" start="00:03:42.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or JavaScript Object Notation, using `json-encode`...""" start="00:03:45.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""... then I can extract the data with `jq`""" start="00:03:48.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use it in shell scripts.""" start="00:03:51.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Timezones""" start="00:03:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another example of semi-structured information""" start="00:03:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is speaker availability.""" start="00:03:55.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have speakers from all over the world,""" start="00:03:57.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we try to schedule live Q&A sessions when they're around.""" start="00:03:59.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means working with timezones.""" start="00:04:03.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Completion makes it much easier to set the timezone property""" start="00:04:05.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without worrying about typos.""" start="00:04:08.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can take advantage of the timezone list from the tzc package,""" start="00:04:10.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which works with Unix timezone definitions.""" start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can convert times using Emacs.""" start="00:04:17.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a standard format to encode the availability""" start="00:04:19.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it easier to parse.""" start="00:04:22.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can use those availability constraints to report errors""" start="00:04:24.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm experimenting with the schedule.""" start="00:04:27.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Scheduling""" start="00:04:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now that I have the availability information,""" start="00:04:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can think about scheduling.""" start="00:04:31.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we were planning EmacsConf 2022, the schedule was so full,""" start="00:04:33.941" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted to see if we could make it more manageable""" start="00:04:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by splitting it up into two tracks.""" start="00:04:40.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was hard to think about times with just a table.""" start="00:04:43.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was able to turn the schedule information""" start="00:04:45.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into an SVG to convince the other organizers""" start="00:04:48.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get on board with this crazy plan.""" start="00:04:51.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the nice thing about SVGs is that""" start="00:04:53.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they can even be clickable on the wiki.""" start="00:04:54.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Being able to quickly make SVGs of different schedules""" start="00:04:57.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also helped me test scheduling ideas and think out loud.""" start="00:05:00.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could change the time between talks, the order of the talks,""" start="00:05:04.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even what tracks the talks were in.""" start="00:05:06.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was helpful when I needed to include""" start="00:05:08.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some late submissions or availability changes""" start="00:05:10.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wanted to ask speakers what they thought.""" start="00:05:13.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They could see the different schedule options themselves.""" start="00:05:15.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really nice to have Emacs Lisp support for working with SVGs.""" start="00:05:18.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also love how I can have an Emacs Lisp block""" start="00:05:22.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an Org Mode document that updates an SVG""" start="00:05:25.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can view right there in my text editor.""" start="00:05:28.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Setting the timezone lets me automatically translate times""" start="00:05:32.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the speaker's local timezone when I e-mail them.""" start="00:05:34.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's mostly a matter of using `format-time-string` with a timezone.""" start="00:05:37.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Templates""" start="00:05:41.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There's a lot of text to work with,""" start="00:05:41.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means templates are super handy.""" start="00:05:43.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a number of templating functions for Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:05:45.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the built-in `tempo.el` or `s-lex-format` from `s.el`.""" start="00:05:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I ended up writing something""" start="00:05:52.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that works with property lists (plists) instead,""" start="00:05:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since we use plists all over the emacsconf-el library.""" start="00:05:58.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All it does is replace `${variable}`""" start="00:06:02.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the value from a property list.""" start="00:06:04.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use this mostly because I have a hard time""" start="00:06:05.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keeping track of which `%s` is which when I use `format`,""" start="00:06:07.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's hard to get an overall view if I just use `concat`.""" start="00:06:11.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code looks for the properties and replaces them with the values.""" start="00:06:14.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just find it a little easier to think about sometimes.""" start="00:06:17.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Getting all the information is just a matter of going over""" start="00:06:21.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the talk entries using `org-map-entries`.""" start="00:06:24.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This builds the talk info by running a bunch of functions.""" start="00:06:27.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some functions get the information from the Org file.""" start="00:06:30.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other functions use the info already collected.""" start="00:06:33.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This can take a while to do again and again.""" start="00:06:36.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's useful to `memoize` this function""" start="00:06:39.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I know I'll be using it a lot,""" start="00:06:41.740" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when I export the organizers notebook.""" start="00:06:43.500" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Memoize caches recent values.""" start="00:06:45.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wiki""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We combine this templating function""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the talk information""" start="00:06:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to fill in the conference wiki,""" start="00:06:51.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since that's a matter of writing templated strings to files.""" start="00:06:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The talk pages are generated once""" start="00:06:56.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then left alone for manual editing,""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while the navigation is regenerated""" start="00:07:00.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every time we change the details.""" start="00:07:02.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are some examples""" start="00:07:04.660" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how we fill in the conference wiki.""" start="00:07:05.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We put in the format of the talk, how Q&A works,""" start="00:07:07.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what the status is.""" start="00:07:10.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once the talk is live, we include the video""" start="00:07:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the links to the files, too.""" start="00:07:14.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code is a little bit long,""" start="00:07:17.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the important part is that""" start="00:07:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we fill in a plist with the values we calculate,""" start="00:07:20.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we can use `emacsconf-replace-plist-in-string`""" start="00:07:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put that all together.""" start="00:07:26.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule is a little more complicated.""" start="00:07:28.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote an Ikiwiki directive""" start="00:07:30.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the markup is more manageable,""" start="00:07:32.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Emacs Lisp function uses that.""" start="00:07:34.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Ikiwiki directive takes all the data and turns it into HTML...""" start="00:07:36.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...so we can use Emacs Lisp to iterate over""" start="00:07:40.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a slightly smaller property list""" start="00:07:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and put them into the format Ikiwiki expects.""" start="00:07:44.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's nice to be able to navigate between talks""" start="00:07:47.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without going back to the schedule page each time.""" start="00:07:50.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is handled by keeping two extra copies of the list:""" start="00:07:52.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one with the first talk popped off,""" start="00:07:55.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one with an extra element added to the beginning.""" start="00:07:57.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can use the heads of those lists""" start="00:08:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for next/previous links.""" start="00:08:02.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Etherpad""" start="00:08:04.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Links to the next talks are also handy""" start="00:08:04.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the collaborative Etherpad documents""" start="00:08:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we use for collecting questions, answers, and notes""" start="00:08:08.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during each talk.""" start="00:08:12.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Etherpad has an API...""" start="00:08:12.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...so I can start the pads off with a template""" start="00:08:15.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before the conference.""" start="00:08:17.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally overwrite a pad""" start="00:08:18.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has been manually edited.""" start="00:08:21.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can save the timestamp of the last modification""" start="00:08:22.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then compare it before overwriting.""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""E-mail""" start="00:08:28.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Templates are also very handy when it comes to e-mail.""" start="00:08:28.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes we send e-mails one at a time,""" start="00:08:31.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when we let a speaker know""" start="00:08:33.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we've received their proposal.""" start="00:08:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's mostly a matter of plugging the talk's properties""" start="00:08:36.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the right places in the template.""" start="00:08:39.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes we send e-mails to lots of speakers at the same time,""" start="00:08:41.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when we send them instructions for uploading their files.""" start="00:08:45.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of sending one e-mail and Bcc-ing everyone,""" start="00:08:48.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or sending people multiple e-mails""" start="00:08:51.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they have multiple talks,""" start="00:08:53.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to draft these as individual e-mails""" start="00:08:55.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to each speaker (or group of speakers,""" start="00:08:57.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if more than one person is associated with a talk).""" start="00:08:59.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That gives me an opportunity to personalize it further.""" start="00:09:02.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""BigBlueButton web conferences""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Many speakers answer questions live""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in BigBlueButton web conference rooms.""" start="00:09:08.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Setting up one room per group of speakers""" start="00:09:10.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""makes it easy to give the speakers the details""" start="00:09:12.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and associate the recorded video with the talk afterwards.""" start="00:09:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For EmacsConf 2023,""" start="00:09:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used Spookfox to control Mozilla Firefox from Emacs""" start="00:09:20.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I could automate creating the rooms""" start="00:09:25.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and adding the URLs to the talk properties in my Org file.""" start="00:09:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I can use mail merge to send each speaker""" start="00:09:30.957" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the check-in instructions for their specific room.""" start="00:09:33.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some speakers will take questions by e-mail""" start="00:09:36.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after the conference instead of attending live,""" start="00:09:39.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we send them shorter instructions""" start="00:09:41.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case they want to drop by.""" start="00:09:43.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Live Q&A sessions]: After the first rush of questions,""" start="00:09:45.540" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can open it up for other people to join.""" start="00:09:47.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is handled by changing the public page""" start="00:09:50.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from one that just refreshes in a loop""" start="00:09:53.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to one that redirects to the actual web conference room.""" start="00:09:55.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just in case, we also""" start="00:09:58.821" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate static copies of those redirects""" start="00:10:00.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we can copy them if needed.""" start="00:10:02.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That way, I don't have to count on Emacs being able to""" start="00:10:04.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publish them over TRAMP.""" start="00:10:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Shortcuts""" start="00:10:08.121" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""During the conference, I'm often jumping from talk to talk.""" start="00:10:08.121" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of going to the Org file""" start="00:10:11.660" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then searching for the talk,""" start="00:10:13.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've made a little Hydra with keyboard shortcuts.""" start="00:10:14.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of these shortcuts lets me""" start="00:10:17.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jump to a talk with completion""" start="00:10:19.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can just type in part of the talk ID,""" start="00:10:20.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""title, or speaker name.""" start="00:10:24.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also defined some Embark actions""" start="00:10:26.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I can act on a talk right from the completion menu.""" start="00:10:28.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I might want to jump to the wiki page""" start="00:10:32.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or e-mail the speaker.""" start="00:10:35.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Logbook""" start="00:10:36.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I can also add notes to a talk while looking at an email,""" start="00:10:36.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when a speaker lets me know""" start="00:10:40.100" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that their video will be late.""" start="00:10:41.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Making it easy to add a note turns Emacs into""" start="00:10:43.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very basic contact relationship management system, or CRM.""" start="00:10:45.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The way this works is that we have a function""" start="00:10:49.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lists all the email addresses associated with a talk.""" start="00:10:52.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can then map that over the list of talks,""" start="00:10:55.460" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look up the author of the current email,""" start="00:10:57.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prompt the user for the talk to add the note to, and add the note.""" start="00:10:59.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Captions""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""On to captions.""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've been doing captions for the last couple of years,""" start="00:11:04.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now we have a small army of volunteer captioners.""" start="00:11:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They get early access to the recorded talks""" start="00:11:10.420" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and fix up misrecognized words, format keyboard shortcuts""" start="00:11:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to follow Emacs conventions, spell names correctly,""" start="00:11:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do all sorts of other wonderful things.""" start="00:11:19.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of our evil plans with EmacsConf""" start="00:11:21.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to get cool stuff out of people's heads into videos""" start="00:11:24.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also make captions so that those videos can be searched.""" start="00:11:28.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To make that possible, we first need a backstage area""" start="00:11:32.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where volunteers can get the files.""" start="00:11:35.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just a simple password-protected directory""" start="00:11:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a static HTML page that lists the talks by status""" start="00:11:39.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and shows the files related to each talk.""" start="00:11:43.740" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a talk moves through the process, I update its TODO state""" start="00:11:46.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and republish this index.""" start="00:11:49.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Talks that are ready to be captioned show up in that section,""" start="00:11:51.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and volunteers can call dibs on the talk they're interested in.""" start="00:11:54.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all done with a function that formats the information""" start="00:11:58.180" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and uses TRAMP to save the file directly to the server.""" start="00:12:00.980" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find more details on our captioning process""" start="00:12:04.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at emacsconf.org/captioning.""" start="00:12:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like using subed to edit subtitles within Emacs.""" start="00:12:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Crontabs and playing the talks""" start="00:12:13.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's talk about actually playing the talks.""" start="00:12:13.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For EmacsConf 2022, we tried using Emacs timers""" start="00:12:16.060" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run the talks.""" start="00:12:19.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It turns out that you can't call TRAMP from a timer""" start="00:12:20.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're already using TRAMP from another timer""" start="00:12:24.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time.""" start="00:12:26.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought about just tweaking the schedule""" start="00:12:27.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we always start things at different times,""" start="00:12:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I figured there's probably a more elegant way to do this.""" start="00:12:31.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year, I'm planning to experiment with using cron""" start="00:12:35.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start talks on autopilot.""" start="00:12:37.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The shell scripts will take care of playing the videos...""" start="00:12:39.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""... figuring out the appropriate Q&A...""" start="00:12:42.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""... and joining the web conference if needed.""" start="00:12:44.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We just need to format the information...""" start="00:12:47.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""...and install it as the track's crontab.""" start="00:12:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's useful to be able to switch tracks""" start="00:12:52.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to manual mode independently,""" start="00:12:54.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case things go haywire.""" start="00:12:55.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can start everything manually.""" start="00:12:57.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also manually update a talk's status,""" start="00:13:00.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like when the host tells me that it's okay to open up the Q&A.""" start="00:13:02.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The shell scripts we run from the crontab""" start="00:13:06.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can also update the talk status themselves.""" start="00:13:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Transitions""" start="00:13:11.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then a bunch of things automatically happen based on""" start="00:13:11.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the talk status changes.""" start="00:13:14.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This uses `org-after-todo-state-change-hook`.""" start="00:13:15.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We get the talk information""" start="00:13:18.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and pass it to a list of functions.""" start="00:13:20.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Internet Relay Chat or IRC is an easy way for people""" start="00:13:22.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to join the conversation around EmacsConf.""" start="00:13:26.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We announce a talk whenever it changes state.""" start="00:13:29.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, when a talk starts,""" start="00:13:31.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we post the URLs to the talk webpage""" start="00:13:33.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Etherpad for questions. We change the topic as well,""" start="00:13:36.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so anyone can see the current talk's information""" start="00:13:39.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if they're a little late.""" start="00:13:41.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is easy to do with a little bit of Emacs Lisp""" start="00:13:43.180" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because (of course!) Emacs has an IRC client.""" start="00:13:45.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, it has several.""" start="00:13:48.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:13:49.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It seems like a lot of automation and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:13:49.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, all of this was just built up little by little.""" start="00:13:53.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And tinkering with this is *fun*, you know?""" start="00:13:56.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like always being able to ask,""" start="00:13:59.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..."""" start="00:14:01.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then actually being able to go and do it.""" start="00:14:03.301" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it feels like EmacsConf is an excuse""" start="00:14:05.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me to play with Emacs.""" start="00:14:08.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty amazing what you can do""" start="00:14:10.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by combining a bunch of pieces.""" start="00:14:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A way to store slightly-structured information.""" start="00:14:13.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A way to get it out again. Templates.""" start="00:14:16.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TRAMP, for working with remote files""" start="00:14:18.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and running remote commands.""" start="00:14:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A way to talk to a web browser.""" start="00:14:21.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A way to work with SVGs.""" start="00:14:23.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An email client. A chat client.""" start="00:14:25.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can smoosh them all together""" start="00:14:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way that you couldn't if they were all separate things.""" start="00:14:29.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code is in the emacsconf-el repository.""" start="00:14:32.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a bit of a tangle because it's accumulating organically""" start="00:14:36.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I haven't really had the brainspace""" start="00:14:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to step back and clean it up.""" start="00:14:40.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you spotted anything interesting in this presentation,""" start="00:14:42.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go check it out and see what you can scavenge.""" start="00:14:45.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The link and this presentation are available""" start="00:14:48.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from this talk's webpage at emacsconf.org/2023/talks/emacsconf .""" start="00:14:51.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's figure out how to make Emacsconf even awesomer next year!""" start="00:14:59.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="emacsconf-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right. I have unmuted.""" start="00:00:53.489" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while since I've actually done an""" start="00:00:59.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual presentation. Hi.""" start="00:01:05.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I'm going to deafen myself and mumble""" start="00:01:08.979" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I don't get distracted by backstage""" start="00:01:12.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chatter. Hello, everyone! Okay,""" start="00:01:16.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so where are we? Questions,""" start="00:01:17.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, questions. Okay,""" start="00:01:20.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how easy would it be for someone else to""" start="00:01:23.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reuse the Emacs conf strips and config to do""" start="00:01:25.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a conf of their own? Like everything else,""" start="00:01:29.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have no idea if things actually work until""" start="00:01:32.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somebody does it for, you know,""" start="00:01:35.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get everything to run on a computer that""" start="00:01:37.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't my computer and with assumptions that""" start="00:01:40.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""aren't my assumptions.""" start="00:01:40.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I have no idea. But optimistically,""" start="00:01:42.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have put most of the EmacsConf things,""" start="00:01:46.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like EmacsConf, the name of the conference""" start="00:01:48.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things like that in variables.""" start="00:01:50.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if theoretically someone were to run an""" start="00:01:53.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org mode conference or something like that,""" start="00:01:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it might be possible to reuse all this code.""" start="00:01:58.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll see. I don't know if it's going to be""" start="00:02:01.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy. I don't even know if it's going to be""" start="00:02:03.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible, but it might be fun to try.""" start="00:02:04.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What tools would I like to exist in Emacs""" start="00:02:09.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""land to help with preparing the conference""" start="00:02:11.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next time? Well, I've already been thinking""" start="00:02:15.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about adjustments that I want to make to""" start="00:02:18.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sub-eds so that the audio synchronization""" start="00:02:21.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""issues that we sometimes have with FFmpeg can""" start="00:02:24.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be something that I can flag and maybe fix""" start="00:02:26.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even while I'm watching a video.""" start="00:02:29.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But also as much as possible,""" start="00:02:32.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to leave the actual FFMPEG audio and""" start="00:02:36.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""visual tinkering with to other people like""" start="00:02:39.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo, whose patience is slightly more than""" start="00:02:41.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mine, because audio is,""" start="00:02:44.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still don't have the patience to sit for""" start="00:02:47.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. You can tell I talk really,""" start="00:02:48.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really quickly. I'm still trying to squeeze""" start="00:02:50.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything into however little focus time I""" start="00:02:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually have. So it would be kind of nice to""" start="00:02:56.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use that. Emacs is already doing quite a ton""" start="00:03:00.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuffing more multimedia processing and""" start="00:03:04.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other fun things into it might be""" start="00:03:06.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting. Who knows?""" start="00:03:07.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, the other thing that I would really love""" start="00:03:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have that people always ask for is a way""" start="00:03:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from Emacs to interact with the Etherpad.""" start="00:03:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Etherpad API, it seems very granular.""" start="00:03:18.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, you can set the HTML of a pad,""" start="00:03:21.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can't actually just append stuff to""" start="00:03:22.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. And I was trying to get something that""" start="00:03:24.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could take questions from IRC and""" start="00:03:26.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically push them into the pad,""" start="00:03:28.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even from an ERC bot or whatever,""" start="00:03:30.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but no go. If someone were to figure out some""" start="00:03:34.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CRDT thing where we can collaboratively edit""" start="00:03:38.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the document, that I think is the number 1""" start="00:03:41.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""request that people always have around""" start="00:03:42.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf. That would be really cool to do""" start="00:03:46.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more of the conference itself from within""" start="00:03:48.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. I don't know if actually,""" start="00:03:53.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, we have an org file now that launches""" start="00:03:55.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the MPV from Emacs. But if you want to have""" start="00:03:59.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an ex-widget or something else watching the""" start="00:04:01.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference from within Emacs itself.""" start="00:04:03.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that will also be really cool.""" start="00:04:05.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. 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I have some experience""" start="00:38:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with working with payment processing and""" start="00:38:15.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like this and like 10% that's a that's""" start="00:38:19.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that you see in Bigger businesses""" start="00:38:22.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that have a model around making money on that""" start="00:38:25.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Transaction so to be able to do that as a""" start="00:38:29.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nonprofit. We're taking advantage of a really""" start="00:38:31.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""awesome thing there.""" start="00:38:32.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, exactly. And yeah,""" start="00:38:35.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just for a quick plug,""" start="00:38:36.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the FSF is actually doing an end of year""" start="00:38:38.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fundraiser right now. 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Corwin and I are constantly joking""" start="01:00:56.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we are backstage making jokes.""" start="01:00:59.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's Corwin we said last year during""" start="01:01:03.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the closing remarks that there was no other""" start="01:01:06.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""place they'd rather be than in the backstage.""" start="01:01:09.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for me, even though many things have""" start="01:01:12.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changed in my life over the last year,""" start="01:01:15.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""many good things have happened,""" start="01:01:16.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's good to come back to Emacs Cons as this""" start="01:01:19.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""milestone and say, oh yeah,""" start="01:01:22.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm exactly where I want to be,""" start="01:01:23.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the people I want to be with,""" start="01:01:25.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I see myself and I cannot wait to see""" start="01:01:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""myself again in the situation next year.""" start="01:01:30.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much everyone.""" start="01:01:32.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to join us,""" start="01:01:34.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask questions, we'll still be here for a""" start="01:01:36.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while. 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I'm aware of his work""" start="01:50:22.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""piloting SourceHut recently and just with a""" start="01:50:26.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working group there to look at the next""" start="01:50:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generation of forges for GNU.""" start="01:50:30.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs of course as a GNU package could go do""" start="01:50:34.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its own thing. 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Right? It's like back to""" start="01:52:10.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan's point, what, 6 and a half hours ago,""" start="01:52:13.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, you know, 20 minutes ago about""" start="01:52:16.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just... Oh gosh, I lost it.""" start="01:52:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Boy, I really thought I had handed that""" start="01:52:27.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""neatly back to you.""" start="01:52:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: No problem, Yeah, I think we're in general in""" start="01:52:36.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agreement.""" start="01:52:36.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: If we are now in the realm of Concord,""" start="01:52:41.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of harmony, and the realm of midnight in""" start="01:52:44.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Europe, Should we bring this discussion to a""" start="01:52:47.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""close or we could go all night,""" start="01:52:49.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll need to explain to my employer why""" start="01:52:51.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my eyes are barely open tomorrow.""" start="01:52:52.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think that's probably a good idea.""" start="01:52:56.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see some folks starting to slowly sign off.""" start="01:52:59.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, also, you know, Leo,""" start="01:53:02.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could leave and just miss out.""" start="01:53:04.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What?""" start="01:53:05.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Hey, Sasha, can I say something like what an""" start="01:53:13.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""amazing job with everything you're doing in""" start="01:53:15.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community over the years?""" start="01:53:16.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm so impressed with Emacs News.""" start="01:53:18.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What a great resource to stay up to date in""" start="01:53:22.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. Just really hats off to you for a""" start="01:53:24.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whole lot.""" start="01:53:25.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thank you""" start="01:53:26.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: very much. 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Stefan, thank you for joining.""" start="01:54:51.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bob, thank you for joining and interacting""" start="01:54:53.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with us and making this a little more""" start="01:54:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactive and more plural than just the""" start="01:54:58.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""co-organizers. And on that note,""" start="01:55:01.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will be leaving. So have a wonderful night,""" start="01:55:03.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. And we'll see you next year for the""" start="01:55:05.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next edition, potentially.""" start="01:55:06.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thank you, Leo. You're my hero.""" start="01:55:09.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I take everything I said on mumble back.""" start="01:55:11.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're amazing.""" start="01:55:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: bye everyone.""" start="01:55:14.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, Thank you all.""" start="01:55:16.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care. Bye. I will""" start="01:55:17.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: also say bye bye. I also need to go to bed.""" start="01:55:20.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all for this cool conference and""" start="01:55:22.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully we're here through the year and at""" start="01:55:24.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""least in 1 year.""" start="01:55:25.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: You've probably made the rest of the rest of""" start="01:55:30.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the victorious. You really stepped up.""" start="01:55:34.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: your contributions.""" start="01:55:38.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thanks so much for Yeah,""" start="01:55:38.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: thanks so much for being a part of it,""" start="01:55:40.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specifically you, Floey,""" start="01:55:41.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just everyone. Thank you all.""" start="01:55:43.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: Have a nice day or night and we'll hear each""" start="01:55:48.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other. Bye!""" start="01:55:48.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: See you. Okay, well,""" start="01:55:51.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thanks, Zen. I'll go next.""" start="01:55:51.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm the next newest, I think.""" start="01:55:53.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I want to say also,""" start="01:55:59.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, Bob and Stefan,""" start="01:56:01.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much for jumping in and""" start="01:56:03.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""participating in the closing remarks.""" start="01:56:04.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I too think it's a lot of,""" start="01:56:06.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, it's fun to just,""" start="01:56:08.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, share the buzz after the convention.""" start="01:56:10.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got all these millions of ideas and""" start="01:56:13.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then to have a group, a little group think""" start="01:56:16.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about what we're walking away from that with.""" start="01:56:18.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is the temperature of the fire in your""" start="01:56:22.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""belly? And it's just...""" start="01:56:24.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, this is 1 of the highlights of my""" start="01:56:28.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""year in a way that it's just...""" start="01:56:30.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think other people...""" start="01:56:31.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I dare explain it to other""" start="01:56:33.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people. I think my wife understands and I""" start="01:56:35.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will do. So thank you very much for this""" start="01:56:40.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference and the opportunity to participate""" start="01:56:42.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in it. You know, just the conversation,""" start="01:56:45.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how vibrant the chat is on IRC,""" start="01:56:48.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how the variety of talks,""" start="01:56:52.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of the talks that look like television""" start="01:56:54.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""content to me and others that look a lot like""" start="01:56:59.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my talk. And working through your slides and""" start="01:57:03.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing it live and you know I appreciate that""" start="01:57:06.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we make a place for all those levels and and""" start="01:57:10.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show people how to improve our craft as well.""" start="01:57:12.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not actually dropping or going anywhere.""" start="01:57:26.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll continue to talk about eMAX until I get""" start="01:57:29.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dinner time bell. I've probably got an""" start="01:57:30.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hour here. I'll tell you what will happen""" start="01:57:40.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""though is I'm guaranteed to light a""" start="01:57:42.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cigarette. You can already see me kind of""" start="01:57:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hovering about my room because I'm trying to""" start="01:57:45.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""avoid like smoking on camera.""" start="01:57:47.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know where that came from.""" start="01:57:49.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm giving it up in approximately 5 seconds.""" start="01:57:52.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Yeah I'm gonna hop off.""" start="01:57:58.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's possibly right here.""" start="01:58:00.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll work tomorrow.""" start="01:58:02.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I took the next 2 days off.""" start="01:58:06.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm actually going camping,""" start="01:58:07.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan. I know I've learned that this""" start="01:58:11.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference leaves me completely emotionally""" start="01:58:12.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exhausted. I just like,""" start="01:58:16.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, I watch all,""" start="01:58:18.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I feel like I just connect with all the,""" start="01:58:20.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like it's this time where I connect with all""" start="01:58:23.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these people that spend as much time thinking""" start="01:58:25.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Emacs as I do.""" start="01:58:26.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, so maybe we should wrap up before""" start="01:58:31.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have like, you know,""" start="01:58:32.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that overflow error and just...""" start="01:58:35.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: In buster thrill, okay.""" start="01:58:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you""" start="01:58:41.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: so much, everyone. Let us actually wrap up""" start="01:58:45.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then. Everyone can find the recordings if you""" start="01:58:47.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to keep the conversation going.""" start="01:58:48.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are meetups, there are people's blog""" start="01:58:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""posts and video channels and mailing lists""" start="01:58:54.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all those other things.""" start="01:58:55.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often I list a lot of meetups in Emacs news""" start="01:58:58.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's another great way to stay connected""" start="01:59:00.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the year and we hope to see everybody""" start="01:59:02.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next year at EmacsConf 2024.""" start="01:59:04.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Thanks Sasha for the send off and goodbye to""" start="01:59:11.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. Oh Sasha I think you were muted but""" start="01:59:16.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes I was still there I assume that's what""" start="01:59:18.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just said. I lied.""" start="01:59:21.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was staying around like Corwin was.""" start="01:59:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just said goodbye, but then I wait in the""" start="01:59:25.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bushes, waiting for the ambush.""" start="01:59:26.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Well I'm personally surprised,""" start="01:59:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speaking for myself. I wouldn't have guessed""" start="01:59:32.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would happen. All right,""" start="01:59:36.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: The perfect moment. well,""" start="01:59:36.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess that's a wrap then.""" start="01:59:37.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, everyone, and see you next year.""" start="01:59:39.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I thought we were clear like 10 minutes ago.""" start="01:59:43.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are we not? We are, right?""" start="01:59:45.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're definitely clear.""" start="01:59:47.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: OK, I'm""" start="01:59:48.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: hanging up now. Good night.""" start="01:59:49.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was wonderful to meet you.""" start="01:59:50.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Take care Corwin""" start="01:59:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Bye Stefan. Bye. Bye all""" start="01:59:56.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [sacha@sachachua.com](mailto:sacha@sachachua.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emacsconf%3A%20EmacsConf.org%3A%20How%20we%20use%20Org%20Mode%20and%20TRAMP%20to%20organize%20and%20run%20a%20multi-track%20conference) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/emacsconf-before.md b/2023/info/emacsconf-before.md index 4d9affe4..c10d5bd4 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsconf-before.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsconf-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,37 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 16-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-emacsconf"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-emacsconf" data=""" +00:00.000 Intro +00:16.580 Reasons +01:09.400 Information +02:09.160 Properties +03:53.120 Timezones +04:29.720 Scheduling +05:41.780 Templates +06:48.400 Wiki +08:04.380 Etherpad +08:28.200 E-mail +09:05.920 BigBlueButton web conferences +10:08.121 Shortcuts +10:36.700 Logbook +11:03.680 Captions +12:13.220 Crontabs and playing the talks +13:11.280 Transitions +13:49.880 Wrapping up + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 15:05 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-emacsconf">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=5f07e2b967f71ad503ac367ea43866abeaad63b6-1701636099684">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main.opus">Download --main.opus (8.3MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--main.webm">Download --main.webm (37MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/eX2dXG3xMtUHuuBz4fssGT">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTregv3rNl0">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-emacsconf"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsconf--emacsconforg-how-we-use-org-mode-and-tramp-to-organize-and-run-a-multitrack-conference--sacha-chua--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md b/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md index 9b5a2bbf..04302650 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsconf-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/steno">Programming at 200 wpm</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-after.md b/2023/info/emacsen-after.md index 79ebd275..c103787e 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsen-after.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1647 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20emacsen%3A%20The%20Emacsen%20family%2C%20the%20design%20of%20an%20Emacs%20and%20the%20importance%20of%20Lisp) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="emacsen-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Fermin.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I'm going to talk about the Emacsen family,""" start="00:00:03.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the design of an Emacs, and the importance of Lisp.""" start="00:00:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to talk about Lisp.""" start="00:00:11.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to start from the end.""" start="00:00:13.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why Lisp matters""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The first question I want to ask is""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why I think Lisp matters.""" start="00:00:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I'm talking about Lisp here,""" start="00:00:21.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm talking about the idea of Lisp,""" start="00:00:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the family of languages that are Lisp.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But given that there's no formal specification of Lisp,""" start="00:00:30.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the opinion might vary. I will expect that Lisp,""" start="00:00:34.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the Lisp have these kind of features.""" start="00:00:40.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is homoiconic:""" start="00:00:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the code is data, basically.""" start="00:00:46.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They also have a REPL: read-eval-print loop.""" start="00:00:49.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is very powerful and can help in development.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I think a good Lisp""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should have a powerful macro system.""" start="00:01:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm good with compile-time macros,""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but read-time is also interesting.""" start="00:01:05.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot of Lisp that you can choose.""" start="00:01:07.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the main three ones, of course,""" start="00:01:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Scheme, Common Lisp, and Clojure.""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scheme by Guile, Common Lisp by Common Lisp,""" start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Clojure by Clojure or ClojureScript.""" start="00:01:19.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why Emacs Lisp was chosen""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's talk about Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't mention Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk about why Emacs Lisp""" start="00:01:29.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was chosen for an Emacs editor.""" start="00:01:32.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to explore this kind of design of the Emacs.""" start="00:01:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Emacs Lisp is the main language of it. Why?""" start="00:01:39.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Given that there were a few alternatives at the time,""" start="00:01:42.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why Emacs Lisp was chosen?""" start="00:01:44.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So RMS, Richard Stallman, needed a Lisp,""" start="00:01:48.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there wasn't one available at the time.""" start="00:01:51.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, this was the early 80s.""" start="00:01:54.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stallman was writing at that point the GCC, I think,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was writing the core components""" start="00:02:03.241" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what is going to become GNU.""" start="00:02:07.975" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He needed an editor. He wanted Lisp. He wanted Emacs.""" start="00:02:10.441" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So he wrote Emacs Lisp. So at that time,""" start="00:02:15.500" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the functionality was more important than "perfection."""" start="00:02:20.281" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean [by] "perfection" is: we programmers""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes like to make everything good""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or very, very good when sometimes, indeed,""" start="00:02:33.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's more important that it works""" start="00:02:36.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do the task that it should.""" start="00:02:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's not a bad language.""" start="00:02:42.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not that bad. At that time, it was mostly nice.""" start="00:02:44.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, it's good enough, I think.""" start="00:02:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other "Emacsen"""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""He wasn't the first one, the GNU Emacs,""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nor the only one, of course.""" start="00:02:59.461" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There were others: Hemlock, Zmacs, and Climacs...""" start="00:03:02.541" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Two of them, I think, were written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:06.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Zmacs was written in a Lisp from a Lisp machine,""" start="00:03:08.981" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it was an implementation of Emacs.""" start="00:03:14.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not GNU Emacs, but the original idea""" start="00:03:16.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs for a Lisp machine.""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Hemlock was written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:22.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's no longer used and no longer developed,""" start="00:03:23.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as I know. And Climacs, it was developed,""" start="00:03:26.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was abandoned, I think.""" start="00:03:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So three of them failed for different reasons.""" start="00:03:31.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zmacs was because of the Lisp machine market crash,""" start="00:03:33.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yeah, it also failed.""" start="00:03:37.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why not Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So Emacs got alone. And in the 90s, interesting to explore,""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some people suggest that why""" start="00:03:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now that we have a standard Lisp, right,""" start="00:03:46.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Common Lisp was standardized in '94,""" start="00:03:49.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why don't we change Emacs Lisp to Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the other reasons I think are important,""" start="00:03:56.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's why Stallman didn't choose Common Lisp.""" start="00:03:59.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think the main one""" start="00:04:01.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I didn't write here""" start="00:04:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that Stallman wasn't a big fan of Common Lisp,""" start="00:04:03.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was at the time the main developer""" start="00:04:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maintainer, of course, for Emacs.""" start="00:04:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So he chose not to move to Common Lisp.""" start="00:04:14.041" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But other reasons may be why...""" start="00:04:16.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because he had a late and painful standardization.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, the first book that Guy Steele wrote""" start="00:04:22.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was in 1984. The standardization finished in 19--""" start="00:04:28.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, in 1984 was the first book""" start="00:04:32.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the standardization finished in 1994.""" start="00:04:38.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, like, 10 years of difference from one to the other.""" start="00:04:44.421" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10 years of a lot of talk, a lot of money,""" start="00:04:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a lot of pain probably.""" start="00:04:51.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Lisp usage declined in the 90s""" start="00:04:56.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to the AI winter.""" start="00:04:59.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all know about the Lisp machine market crash.""" start="00:05:00.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the failure of commercial Lisp machine was""" start="00:05:03.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inevitable at that point.""" start="00:05:08.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all the potential Emacs friends died.""" start="00:05:12.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also a lot of Emacs Lisp was already available.""" start="00:05:17.161" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs was already an amateur utility.""" start="00:05:21.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unix won the war of the operating system, as we know,""" start="00:05:24.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs Lisp was available in Unix,""" start="00:05:29.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or in GNU/Linux, as we know,""" start="00:05:33.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the most successful implementation of Unix.""" start="00:05:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, BSD. Okay.""" start="00:05:40.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs won by being the "better" alternative.""" start="00:05:44.208" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm quoting "better" here because""" start="00:05:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Emacs does have a better design""" start="00:05:50.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, well, it was the one that survived, right?""" start="00:05:53.700" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is the more important thing for a software or,""" start="00:05:56.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know... So Emacs won by being free,""" start="00:06:00.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also in price, which I think the Lisp machine wasn't.""" start="00:06:05.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that was also very good. It was included.""" start="00:06:08.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It had, and it still has, of course,""" start="00:06:11.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a nice collection of packages""" start="00:06:14.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that improve the standard functionality.""" start="00:06:15.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was easy to extend because of the nature of Lisp.""" start="00:06:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has a very good integration with GNU/Linux,""" start="00:06:23.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course. It was created to write it.""" start="00:06:26.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes sense that it's very good""" start="00:06:29.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a system administration perspective.""" start="00:06:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But I think Common Lisp is not dead yet.""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or some people say that it's always dead,""" start="00:06:43.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you cannot kill the something that is always dead.""" start="00:06:45.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't always code in C,""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when I do, it's Lisp. I'm not a big fan of C""" start="00:06:50.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a lot of things, but yeah.""" start="00:06:54.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why I think Common Lisp is still relevant""" start="00:06:58.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can be used for all kind of application,""" start="00:07:02.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both commercially and non-commercially.""" start="00:07:05.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is the main implementation""" start="00:07:09.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Common Lisp, which is called SBCL, which is awesome.""" start="00:07:11.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's fast. It's a very good extension.""" start="00:07:16.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, it's the reference one today.""" start="00:07:19.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The namespaces of common Lisp,""" start="00:07:21.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really like the implementation.""" start="00:07:25.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people don't like it. It's a matter of taste.""" start="00:07:26.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think it's really good.""" start="00:07:28.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a timeless standard. So it was standardized""" start="00:07:29.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the 90s, as I said.""" start="00:07:32.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it doesn't really need a new standard.""" start="00:07:35.980" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people say it does need, but I don't think so.""" start="00:07:38.881" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also it does have macro readers,""" start="00:07:44.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think is a very nice feature of Common Lisp""" start="00:07:46.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that other Lisp doesn't seem to have,""" start="00:07:49.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a lot of them don't: in my mind, Emacs Lisp and Clojure.""" start="00:07:51.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, it's image-based development,""" start="00:07:56.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is also quite unique to Common Lisp.""" start="00:07:58.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know all the Lisp that does have this.""" start="00:08:00.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, you develop a REPL""" start="00:08:04.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you dump the entire REPL into an image.""" start="00:08:05.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Java would be like a core dump.""" start="00:08:10.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you create an executable.""" start="00:08:12.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which at the time, I guess in the 90s,""" start="00:08:14.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was a huge one, right?""" start="00:08:17.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because you have the entire language, and the REPL,""" start="00:08:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the code. But today are like 20 MB,""" start="00:08:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in today's standard is nothing.""" start="00:08:23.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's pictures in your phone larger than 20 MB.""" start="00:08:26.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation""" start="00:08:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So there's a new Emacs in town--well, Emacs, not Emacs,""" start="00:08:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is Lem. I think it's a very good Emacs implementation.""" start="00:08:39.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean by "Emacs" here is not a clone of GNU Emacs,""" start="00:08:43.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but an Emacs-inspired editor with similar characteristics,""" start="00:08:46.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and written in a Lisp,""" start="00:08:51.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is why I said that Lisp was very important.""" start="00:08:53.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why not just use GNU Emacs?""" start="00:08:58.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So first, I'm going to address the elephant in the room,""" start="00:08:58.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the question that maybe most""" start="00:09:01.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of you are now thinking.""" start="00:09:05.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why not just use GNU Emacs? It's the project.""" start="00:09:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the main one, right? Why choose another one?""" start="00:09:12.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Lem is relatively new, 2018.""" start="00:09:15.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it can explore different ideas.""" start="00:09:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was developed by Sasaki-san.""" start="00:09:20.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, it was mostly a one-month project,""" start="00:09:21.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are getting there. I'm not the maintainer.""" start="00:09:26.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a developer of Lem. So given that it's""" start="00:09:31.941" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relatively new, it can explore different ideas.""" start="00:09:36.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're not bound to a community or backwards compatibility.""" start="00:09:39.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can explore different ideas,""" start="00:09:43.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think that's always nice.""" start="00:09:45.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Having multiple options creates competition,""" start="00:09:46.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which benefits the community. So Emacs and Vim,""" start="00:09:49.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the competition between the two""" start="00:09:52.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""always create nice packages like evil or, you know...""" start="00:09:54.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really good to have some kind of a competition,""" start="00:09:59.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""healthy competition.""" start="00:10:03.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it doesn't share any code base with GNU Emacs.""" start="00:10:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to clarify this because some people think that""" start="00:10:08.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem is kind of a, you know, Spacemacs or Doom.""" start="00:10:12.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it doesn't share any code.""" start="00:10:16.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has zero Emacs. So that's it.""" start="00:10:19.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Getting this out of the way.""" start="00:10:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why I think Lem is interesting.""" start="00:10:29.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why Lem""" start="00:10:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'm going to show why Lem.""" start="00:10:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why? You can try Lem, and maybe you like it.""" start="00:10:32.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First thing, these are the features""" start="00:10:37.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I really like from it.""" start="00:10:41.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can be different from person to person,""" start="00:10:42.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think these are the main ideas""" start="00:10:45.575" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it brings to the table and are really interesting.""" start="00:10:48.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to say that Lem is not a research project.""" start="00:10:50.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like some people did that""" start="00:10:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's still in development. No, no.""" start="00:10:55.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a usable product that can be used""" start="00:10:57.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to [do] day-to-day programming""" start="00:11:00.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very good experience.""" start="00:11:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not like--I want to clarify this""" start="00:11:04.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because some people bring some exploratory projects.""" start="00:11:06.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not that one. This is finished.""" start="00:11:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, finished in the way that you can use it.""" start="00:11:10.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not, you know, have everything in place.""" start="00:11:14.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's continue.""" start="00:11:17.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written 100% in Common Lisp.""" start="00:11:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I say this because Emacs is not""" start="00:11:22.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""100% in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:11:23.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to modify the C code,""" start="00:11:26.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, well, if you... You don't have to,""" start="00:11:28.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you want to change the internals, you do.""" start="00:11:31.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that given that Lem does not care""" start="00:11:34.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the implementation of the language itself--""" start="00:11:38.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so for example, Lem doesn't have to deal with""" start="00:11:41.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how Common Lisp works, it just used the language, right?""" start="00:11:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's on top of the language.""" start="00:11:48.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can say that. Emacs Lisp is Emacs and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you have to, you have both in the same place,""" start="00:11:53.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, well, it's a double-edged sword, right?""" start="00:11:56.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you have the both--similar to Emacs--""" start="00:12:00.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have ncurses and SDL2 frontends.""" start="00:12:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is terminal-based and the other is graphical""" start="00:12:05.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the SDL2 library,""" start="00:12:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you can do a lot of crazy things.""" start="00:12:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, it's meant to program games and stuff,""" start="00:12:13.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Lem uses, and it works fairly well.""" start="00:12:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can program games if you want.""" start="00:12:19.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not that you need to or anything, but we have Tetris.""" start="00:12:21.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's that.""" start="00:12:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, separate front-end interface.""" start="00:12:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like I said, you have two, but you can create more.""" start="00:12:31.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the past, had an electron one,""" start="00:12:34.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it got abandoned for obvious reasons, I think. Sorry.""" start="00:12:36.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This idea is taken from Neovim that had a lot of frontends.""" start="00:12:41.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, we don't have that many,""" start="00:12:45.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not that many people we have two.""" start="00:12:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works fairly well.""" start="00:12:49.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have superb development experience thanks to SLIME.""" start="00:12:51.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have Micro,""" start="00:12:56.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a SLIME version for Lem, basically.""" start="00:13:01.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SLIME is awesome and Micro is also awesome.""" start="00:13:04.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a very strong development experience""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we don't have for a Lisp,""" start="00:13:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think is very important.""" start="00:13:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want someone to develop packages or to use your tool,""" start="00:13:17.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your Emacs at least,""" start="00:13:20.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to have a very good development experience,""" start="00:13:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which enhance the extensions for the editor.""" start="00:13:28.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have also Vim-like integration.""" start="00:13:34.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This for me was mostly mandatory""" start="00:13:36.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm an evil-mode user, and I think it's really good.""" start="00:13:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because evil-mode is very good and the VMode,""" start="00:13:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which it's called, even though it's more like Vim mode,""" start="00:13:49.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's called VMode. It's written by""" start="00:13:51.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fukamachi-san and it's really good.""" start="00:13:54.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's the thing that I think Lem brings to""" start="00:13:59.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the table and that's really interesting.""" start="00:14:01.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Similarities and differences""" start="00:14:03.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I'm going to do a small demo of Lem, a Emacs example.""" start="00:14:03.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, the similarities,""" start="00:14:10.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the nomenclature is very similar: modes, buffers,""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commands... The commands are very similar in nature.""" start="00:14:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was written with GNU Emacs in mind""" start="00:14:17.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mimic a lot of things.""" start="00:14:20.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think GNU Emacs is the best Emacs implementation""" start="00:14:24.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that way. So why not just take what is working, right?""" start="00:14:29.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have similar command,""" start="00:14:33.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but flexible to add other default ones.""" start="00:14:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like Emacs that you have Emacs commands.""" start="00:14:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem has Emacs command by default,""" start="00:14:42.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can easily change that""" start="00:14:45.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other default ones, right?""" start="00:14:47.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, you can think of it like a major mode, right?""" start="00:14:49.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, more like a global mode,""" start="00:14:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry. That's a global mode of Emacs commands,""" start="00:14:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:14:57.961" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In general, the feeling is really close.""" start="00:14:59.361" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you will tell that it's really close to how both work,""" start="00:15:01.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar commands, and that shows.""" start="00:15:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Differences, Common Lisp is not Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:15:07.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's similar in the surface.""" start="00:15:12.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it uses `defun`, you know, have parentheses""" start="00:15:13.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yada, yada, but it's not the same language, really,""" start="00:15:16.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sometimes you will find""" start="00:15:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the differences are substantial.""" start="00:15:20.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The internals are completely different,""" start="00:15:23.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course, nothing, well, completely.""" start="00:15:24.860" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have a buffer implementation and other things,""" start="00:15:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in general, yeah, aside from that,""" start="00:15:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's completely different.""" start="00:15:32.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's true that GNU Emacs""" start="00:15:34.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a better documentation tutorial.""" start="00:15:36.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So GNU Emacs for me, I think it's""" start="00:15:37.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one of the best-documented software ever.""" start="00:15:39.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're trying to go there, but we're still not there.""" start="00:15:41.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:15:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's do the demo. So to open Lem, you compile it,""" start="00:15:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have it available,""" start="00:15:54.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you open Lem. As you can see,""" start="00:15:55.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have the temporary buffer. On the top left is the mode--""" start="00:15:57.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not mode,""" start="00:16:00.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the beam, insert, normal, visual. This is the V mode, right?""" start="00:16:03.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the top right corner, we have fundamental,""" start="00:16:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the major mode, then paredit,""" start="00:16:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like the minor mode, but you know,""" start="00:16:11.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is like the paredit for Emacs.""" start="00:16:15.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the top left buffer,""" start="00:16:16.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the current buffer.""" start="00:16:19.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's open the... Emacs, we all know how to do this.""" start="00:16:22.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a command, like explore this command,""" start="00:16:26.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like `open-init-file`. This opens the init file,""" start="00:16:29.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in this directory, in `~/.lem/init.lisp`.""" start="00:16:31.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, this is very similar, right?""" start="00:16:34.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You define a command, which is not interactive,""" start="00:16:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you get the buffer, right?""" start="00:16:40.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a... So my personal command...""" start="00:16:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go to the one that I just opened. Init file, right?""" start="00:16:44.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a command that I did,""" start="00:16:48.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is `find-file`.""" start="00:16:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very similar to [??], but just `find-file`.""" start="00:16:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, very similar.""" start="00:16:56.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the way that you program in Lem.""" start="00:16:58.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the major mode, which is Lisp,""" start="00:17:01.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're seeing at the top, right?""" start="00:17:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can connect if we `slime-self-connect`.""" start="00:17:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the prompt. This is the REPL.""" start="00:17:10.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we... Keep in mind that this is Common Lisp,""" start="00:17:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this has different things.""" start="00:17:17.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have to go to the Lem package,""" start="00:17:20.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very important. This has namespaces, right?""" start="00:17:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not the same. And we can say, okay,""" start="00:17:26.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`current-buffer`. We get the buffer.""" start="00:17:29.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can explore everything that is in it, right?""" start="00:17:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have all this stuff. This is... If you're familiar""" start="00:17:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with SLIME or Sly, this is it.""" start="00:17:38.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that we can say, buffer, I think it's `buffer-name`.""" start="00:17:41.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. And we can take this,""" start="00:17:46.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we'll give you the name.""" start="00:17:49.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as you can see, the development experience""" start="00:17:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is really powerful. We can also `lisp-scratch`,""" start="00:17:54.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which transform... basically apply""" start="00:17:57.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the major mode of Lisp to the temporary buffer.""" start="00:18:00.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very similar to Emacs.""" start="00:18:02.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to the theme. I think that's it.""" start="00:18:06.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all very much for listening to me.""" start="00:18:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I point out""" start="00:18:13.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacsen family is really interesting.""" start="00:18:15.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp is really good, and GNU Emacs is really good,""" start="00:18:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think Lem is also pretty awesome.""" start="00:18:19.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="00:18:21.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll be answering the question now. And happy hacking.""" start="00:18:23.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="emacsen-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Here.""" start="00:00:00.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Yeah. So thanks,""" start="00:00:05.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fermin, for the great talk.""" start="00:00:06.279" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People have questions,""" start="00:00:08.039" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please post them on the pad or the IRC as""" start="00:00:12.179" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and we'll take them up.""" start="00:00:13.259" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Thank you very much. The guests will be here""" start="00:00:17.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to answer questions. Let's see.""" start="00:00:21.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep.""" start="00:00:23.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: And also, Fermin, if you later want to""" start="00:00:28.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clarify anything or fix any URLs or such,""" start="00:00:30.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're always welcome to do that either like""" start="00:00:32.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Wiki page, or if you like email any of""" start="00:00:36.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the organizers, they should be able to help""" start="00:00:37.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with that as well.""" start="00:00:38.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Okay. Yeah, I put the wrong URL.""" start="00:00:41.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, not a big deal really,""" start="00:00:46.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you look it up. Yeah,""" start="00:00:48.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's really better. Thank you very much.""" start="00:00:50.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Checking, no questions.""" start="00:00:56.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very good to be in touch.""" start="00:00:58.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, we have a question here in the big blue""" start="00:01:17.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button chat.""" start="00:01:17.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, public chat. I see.""" start="00:01:21.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is LEM an acronym? I think it is,""" start="00:01:26.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I never remember. The complete name is""" start="00:01:32.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like something... It's also a circle,""" start="00:01:36.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, you know, a self-referencing,""" start="00:01:38.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, recursive name.""" start="00:01:41.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I never remember it, sorry.""" start="00:01:42.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like... Yeah, someone...""" start="00:01:45.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, someone asked about the DEM community,""" start="00:01:50.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how big it is. So I don't remember,""" start="00:01:56.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to answer the question,""" start="00:01:57.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember the acronym,""" start="00:01:58.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it is an acronym. I just never...""" start="00:02:00.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's not written anywhere,""" start="00:02:04.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, or someone...""" start="00:02:06.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I never check it. So I...""" start="00:02:09.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I forgot.""" start="00:02:12.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: My maintainer told me once and then So,""" start="00:02:15.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whole large, does Leia have a package""" start="00:02:17.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""manager? We do have a package manager,""" start="00:02:19.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""funnily enough. We use the QuickLisp""" start="00:02:21.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""infrastructure to get packages,""" start="00:02:26.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's very easy to install packages.""" start="00:02:29.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So basically, we don't have a package manager""" start="00:02:33.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as in Emacs, half a packet.l.""" start="00:02:35.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're using the same common list""" start="00:02:39.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""infrastructure to provide the different""" start="00:02:41.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""packages. 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Everything is going to the core""" start="00:03:27.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for now, because we need that functionality.""" start="00:03:29.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the future, we probably will split it up""" start="00:03:32.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""way more. But let me first answer a question""" start="00:03:37.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the other part. How large is the LEN""" start="00:03:42.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community? Hope it's a chance of survival""" start="00:03:44.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""long term. So we are a very small community,""" start="00:03:47.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mostly because Sasaki-san,""" start="00:03:51.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the main developers of the community,""" start="00:03:54.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are from Japan and some of them,""" start="00:03:57.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or most of them, don't know English.""" start="00:03:58.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the beginning, LEM was a very""" start="00:04:01.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Japanese-centric tooling because barrier of""" start="00:04:05.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language, most of the users are from Japan.""" start="00:04:06.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So different communities.""" start="00:04:08.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, I don't know why,""" start="00:04:12.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the main maintainer,""" start="00:04:13.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is Asaki-san, very good guy and a very,""" start="00:04:17.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very talented developer.""" start="00:04:19.079" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He doesn't like to, you know,""" start="00:04:21.779" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at first the project was all in Japanese,""" start="00:04:24.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so he doesn't care if someone uses the""" start="00:04:27.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project or not. 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Always we have,""" start="00:18:08.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we also have this, which is like StreamX.""" start="00:18:12.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry to that, I don't.""" start="00:18:17.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, So you can see.""" start="00:18:21.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, if you go to the code base,""" start="00:18:24.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe some of you can check this problem.""" start="00:18:26.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, not problem, but yeah.""" start="00:18:28.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's this Japanese comment.""" start="00:18:30.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see here why it's very,""" start="00:18:35.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have to translate and stuff,""" start="00:18:38.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is sometimes a little bit annoying.""" start="00:18:39.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, some of them are in English.""" start="00:18:44.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this play is not the same.""" start="00:18:47.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you're interested,""" start="00:18:48.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go to the buffer and check it out for""" start="00:18:51.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yourself. 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Thank you, Vitaliy.""" start="00:22:16.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cheers. Cheers. So finishing the answer to""" start="00:22:25.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question, I think LEM does tries to fix""" start="00:22:30.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some Emacs problems, can we fix problems""" start="00:22:31.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regarding the internal API,""" start="00:22:35.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes sense, right?""" start="00:22:37.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs have like 40 years,""" start="00:22:39.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a lot. And yeah,""" start="00:22:42.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, that's what makes me happy.""" start="00:22:44.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use both now. I use Maggis and Emacs for""" start="00:22:47.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some languages and then I use LEM for Common""" start="00:22:50.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp and other languages.""" start="00:22:51.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use LEM for EmacLisp,""" start="00:22:55.240" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes LEM the second best editor for""" start="00:22:59.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacLisp. It was a funny thing to do.""" start="00:23:02.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, so do you think LEM will continue to have""" start="00:23:05.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of Japanese documentation?""" start="00:23:06.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's not that many Japanese""" start="00:23:11.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documentation, really.""" start="00:23:12.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a few comments here and there,""" start="00:23:18.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's not full. We have a web page with a""" start="00:23:20.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lot of documentation in English.""" start="00:23:22.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can take a look at that.""" start="00:23:25.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we do have to improve the documentation""" start="00:23:29.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and translate it to English.""" start="00:23:30.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasaki-san is up to it,""" start="00:23:32.220" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but he just doesn't feel that comfortable""" start="00:23:35.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""translating it himself.""" start="00:23:36.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah.""" start="00:23:38.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: So, this is Peter on BigBlueWem.""" start="00:23:42.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's neat that Wem even exists,""" start="00:23:49.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's always chatter on the Emacs""" start="00:23:55.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mailing list to rewrite Emacs and some other""" start="00:23:58.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language. 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Yeah,""" start="00:24:37.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I may try it out sometime,""" start="00:24:39.680" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but probably won't be for like 3 or 6 months,""" start="00:24:42.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's always a backlog of other""" start="00:24:45.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things to try out.""" start="00:24:46.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I'm the 1 who wrote that question.""" start="00:24:49.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And do you use, I think you have bookmarks""" start="00:24:54.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and registers, I imagine,""" start="00:24:55.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right?""" start="00:24:55.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I think you have. 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Things in extensions,""" start="00:25:16.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just directory. VNXT. Directory mode.""" start="00:25:23.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there is. So this is the Tyrant's friend.""" start="00:25:28.950" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I won't say clone. Very inspired.""" start="00:25:31.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: What about like on the note-taking front,""" start="00:25:36.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like org mode,""" start="00:25:38.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You know. note... Yes,""" start="00:25:41.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so... EMMS... Yes, so someone did some MMS.""" start="00:25:50.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So not MMS, not much. 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But yeah, no.""" start="00:26:03.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing is I don't use R mode that much.""" start="00:26:06.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We don't have a heavy R mode user to provide""" start="00:26:11.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some major mode and stuff.""" start="00:26:15.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we don't have that implemented yet.""" start="00:26:18.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing is, my plans for,""" start="00:26:20.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do have plans for our mode.""" start="00:26:22.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're a little bit evil,""" start="00:26:24.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's plans for it.""" start="00:26:26.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm planning to use,""" start="00:26:27.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so rewriting our mode is a big task that I""" start="00:26:30.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't want to do. So I'm going to use Emacs""" start="00:26:34.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for our mode in 2.11. I wrote a recipe,""" start="00:26:39.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no, a remote procedural RPC that I'm using""" start="00:26:45.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Red Bull and stuff.""" start="00:26:46.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm planning to have an Emacs Puppet to""" start="00:26:51.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provide me the functionality for Org Mode.""" start="00:26:54.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I know for me, when I write notes,""" start="00:26:59.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to note more than Org Roam just""" start="00:27:01.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I feel Org Mode is great and all,""" start="00:27:06.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if all my notes are in it,""" start="00:27:08.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I kind of feel trapped by it.""" start="00:27:10.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did the talk journaling in KOutline,""" start="00:27:14.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I like that package better for some""" start="00:27:17.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things and it's like if I want to put like""" start="00:27:21.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the tags on PDF file names and so it's like""" start="00:27:24.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's great and all but it's also Is""" start="00:27:28.940" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that part of the motivation of wanting to use""" start="00:27:31.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lamb is so you feel less entrapped by emacs""" start="00:27:34.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, I will say I don't no.""" start="00:27:38.445" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: No, no. I was very happy trapping to Emacs.""" start="00:27:40.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be fair. The thing is I don't use Hormel""" start="00:27:47.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that much. That's just the reality.""" start="00:27:48.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode for me is a very good markup""" start="00:27:52.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language, but not that much really.""" start="00:27:54.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that Org Mode has a lot of people and""" start="00:27:56.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's used by a lot of people.""" start="00:27:58.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's very interesting packages.""" start="00:28:00.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: What about org mode versus markdown versus""" start="00:28:03.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plain text versus latex then?""" start="00:28:05.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I like org mode because of the Emacs""" start="00:28:08.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality. I think if you take that away,""" start="00:28:10.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you plain or mode versus Markdown,""" start="00:28:15.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think there's that much difference,""" start="00:28:17.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you take the Emacs functionality away.""" start="00:28:19.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like the""" start="00:28:24.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah. Emacs syntax more than Markdown.""" start="00:28:27.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, for instance, you have the double""" start="00:28:29.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""square brackets, which is simpler for me to""" start="00:28:31.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look at, but.""" start="00:28:32.500" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, I guess it's a matter of,""" start="00:28:35.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, we don't have yet a major mode of R""" start="00:28:38.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode, which will be quite trivial.""" start="00:28:39.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, you know, a simple syntax highlights,""" start="00:28:42.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, R mode in LEM,""" start="00:28:46.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because no 1 wrote it.""" start="00:28:52.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, that's the way with this project,""" start="00:28:55.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? If you need people to be motivated to""" start="00:29:00.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do that. And with LEM,""" start="00:29:04.120" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""someone asked about the Japanese.""" start="00:29:06.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think they're interested about that.""" start="00:29:11.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LEM does have a thing,""" start="00:29:15.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: If the it would be good.""" start="00:29:16.030" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I'd be able to do more,""" start="00:29:16.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's what I""" start="00:29:18.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: was doing.""" start="00:29:19.370" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: they think True. 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It's very similar.""" start="00:29:33.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Sasaki-san and the LEM community mainly""" start="00:29:37.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uses Discord for chat and stuff.""" start="00:29:43.260" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, we do have matrix,""" start="00:29:46.980" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I should connect to it,""" start="00:29:48.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by the way. But we mainly use Discord,""" start="00:29:54.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I don't think is a good thing.""" start="00:29:58.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, to have the main communication""" start="00:30:01.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""channels, Discord. 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It's a closed source""" start="00:30:09.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""application that is easy for some people,""" start="00:30:13.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for some people it's a tailbreak.""" start="00:30:14.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: are in""" start="00:30:17.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Especially people that the Emacs community""" start="00:30:17.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that very like free software.""" start="00:30:20.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: The only good thing about Molesley is it's""" start="00:30:22.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""popular, but as soon as you break out of that""" start="00:30:26.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mold, all of a sudden it becomes a lot""" start="00:30:28.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""harder. 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Do you have it published""" start="00:31:06.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somewhere?""" start="00:31:06.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yes, it's in the LEM project.""" start="00:31:13.520" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll copy that in the chat.""" start="00:31:15.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Okay, because I'm always interested in how""" start="00:31:19.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you do like the communication with other""" start="00:31:21.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programs with Emacs because that's""" start="00:31:24.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting.""" start="00:31:24.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I'm only using the porthole package,""" start="00:31:30.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not writing it from scratch,""" start="00:31:32.460" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not that much as a developer.""" start="00:31:34.340" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: So I don't know this package.""" start="00:31:37.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe that's the thing I can learn.""" start="00:31:39.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh yeah, probably if you,""" start="00:31:40.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah. Yeah. If you want to,""" start="00:31:42.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I didn't see this 1,""" start="00:31:43.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this package for the RSP,""" start="00:31:46.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which make is monthly automatically.""" start="00:31:48.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: And how do you do, how do you plan to""" start="00:31:53.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrate Org Mode? Because Org Mode needs to""" start="00:31:59.180" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""work on.""" start="00:31:59.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: This way? 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Interesting stuff indeed.""" start="01:04:23.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: to listen to it after you're done with the""" start="01:04:29.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess you have Have you""" start="01:04:32.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: comp. ever listened to that talk before?""" start="01:04:33.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The 1 that's in that webpage,""" start="01:04:38.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the FOSDEM 1.""" start="01:04:39.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Which 1? Sorry? 0 yeah,""" start="01:04:40.840" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I in fact saw him live in the FOSDEM 2020.""" start="01:04:44.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So I a little bit. 2020.""" start="01:04:50.053" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we him""" start="01:04:50.166" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: talked with him a little bit The first time""" start="01:04:51.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is here in well here in Europe here in""" start="01:04:55.760" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Brussels like 3 hours away or 2 hours away in""" start="01:05:01.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plane from where I am.""" start="01:05:02.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 1 of the things that's kind of interesting""" start="01:05:05.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with, you have some of""" start="01:05:06.900" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: the people who come from Europe to the US and""" start="01:05:09.060" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're like, oh, I want to visit all the""" start="01:05:11.820" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""corners of the US in a couple of days.""" start="01:05:13.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's like, No, US is the size of Europe.""" start="01:05:17.920" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: The""" start="01:05:19.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: states are the size of their countries.""" start="01:05:21.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't...""" start="01:05:23.140" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I know. I know. It's very...""" start="01:05:27.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's huge. And it's like 6 hours different""" start="01:05:30.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from coast to coast, something like that.""" start="01:05:32.280" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, and that's driving as fast as you can""" start="01:05:38.000" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the freeway, on the best roads that you""" start="01:05:39.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possibly can, not taking...""" start="01:05:41.160" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, that would be...""" start="01:05:45.700" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the thing that I try to do also with LEM""" start="01:05:53.400" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to move my workflow from LEM to Emax,""" start="01:05:57.880" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so for Emax to LEM, use it more.""" start="01:06:01.620" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope to, we still have a long way to go""" start="01:06:07.080" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of usability,""" start="01:06:08.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of other things,""" start="01:06:10.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we need more power.""" start="01:06:12.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So This is also my attempt to do some""" start="01:06:18.420" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publicity to the Blend project itself,""" start="01:06:20.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to need to add more users,""" start="01:06:23.100" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be willing to try and to fail trying,""" start="01:06:26.200" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we still have some rough edges.""" start="01:06:29.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, just trying to do that,""" start="01:06:38.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, and I apologize to the Emaclist""" start="01:06:41.720" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community, which I'm part of,""" start="01:06:43.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't want to like,""" start="01:06:44.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""disencourage the use of getting Emacs anyway.""" start="01:06:47.020" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think both are awesome.""" start="01:06:48.960" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to anyone to get a real impression.""" start="01:06:51.300" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: What do""" start="01:06:57.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: you think? PlasmaStrike,""" start="01:06:57.740" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a very powerful name.""" start="01:07:01.560" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I don't think that's something to worry""" start="01:07:07.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about. I don't personally,""" start="01:07:09.660" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm going to watch the EMMS talk.""" start="01:07:15.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's something that I don't really use too""" start="01:07:17.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much on my Emacs config.""" start="01:07:20.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to let you go.""" start="01:07:22.600" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: OK, yeah, I'm going to go.""" start="01:07:24.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to maybe watch the garbage""" start="01:07:26.320" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collector talk, which is interesting.""" start="01:07:27.800" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="01:07:32.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna go. Thanks for the questions and""" start="01:07:35.860" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all that. I think I hope I answered correctly""" start="01:07:40.811" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: is part of the value of being part of this is""" start="01:07:47.040" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: all of them. Yeah, I figure this that's a way""" start="01:07:50.580" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: conversations. So of saying thank you for""" start="01:07:52.540" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people sharing interesting talks.""" start="01:07:54.480" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Indeed. Thank you all very much for going to""" start="01:07:57.780" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs conf and to watch me.""" start="01:08:02.380" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="01:08:06.440" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to go do that.""" start="01:08:09.360" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: See you.""" start="01:08:10.640" video="qanda-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emacsen%3A%20The%20Emacsen%20family%2C%20the%20design%20of%20an%20Emacs%20and%20the%20importance%20of%20Lisp) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-before.md b/2023/info/emacsen-before.md index bc240465..4334b31b 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsen-before.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,31 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by e-mail after the event Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 19-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: TO_INDEX_QA +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-emacsen"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-emacsen" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:17.000 Why Lisp matters +01:26.640 Why Emacs Lisp was chosen +02:54.841 Other "Emacsen" +03:38.581 Why not Common Lisp? +06:39.120 Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead +08:30.080 Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation +08:58.260 Why not just use GNU Emacs? +10:31.080 Why Lem +14:03.080 Similarities and differences +15:49.600 Demo + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 18:28 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-emacsen">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=93478b7dbe4fb34ded741ea7c8dfefa78a3ce8fd-1701620297196">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.opus">Download --main.opus (11MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.webm">Download --main.webm (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/qgJ84RLV2FZYyeSusDskwU">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SGcLpjC5CE">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-emacsen"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md b/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md index 018c5511..c89089bd 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/steno">Programming at 200 wpm</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/gc">emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/emms-after.md b/2023/info/emms-after.md index fc154d30..532fc6a2 100644 --- a/2023/info/emms-after.md +++ b/2023/info/emms-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1317 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20emms%3A%20Emacs%20MultiMedia%20System%20%28EMMS%29) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="emms-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Sound of Emacs, Emms, The Emacs Multimedia System.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Yoni Rabkin and I'll be talking about Emms;""" start="00:00:05.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Multimedia System.""" start="00:00:09.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is Emms?""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms displays and plays media from within Emacs""" start="00:00:14.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using a variety of external players""" start="00:00:18.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from different media sources.""" start="00:00:20.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can run as a minimalistic player""" start="00:00:23.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is controlled with no more than""" start="00:00:26.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a handful of simple M-x commands,""" start="00:00:28.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as a fully-fledged interactive media browser and player.""" start="00:00:31.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can display album art, play streaming audio,""" start="00:00:36.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tag music files, search for lyrics,""" start="00:00:40.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provide MPD connectivity, control the volume,""" start="00:00:43.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and more. Much more.""" start="00:00:46.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emms project acts like Emacs in microcosm.""" start="00:00:49.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It slowly but surely grows bigger""" start="00:00:53.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gets ever more features.""" start="00:00:56.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Perhaps Emms will one day even have a text editor.""" start="00:00:58.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The structure of this talk""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The structure of this talk:""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll start with an introduction to Emms.""" start="00:01:05.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the practical part.""" start="00:01:08.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, a bit about how Emms works. That's the technical part.""" start="00:01:10.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, how we work. All about Emms development.""" start="00:01:15.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction to Emms: The practical part""" start="00:01:21.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Introduction to Emms: The practical part:""" start="00:01:21.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want this talk to be of immediate use to people,""" start="00:01:25.021" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm going to present a quick TL;DR of the Emms manual""" start="00:01:28.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concerning installation and use.""" start="00:01:33.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the end of this part you should be able to""" start="00:01:36.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""install, configure, and use Emms in a variety of ways.""" start="00:01:38.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where can I get Emms?""" start="00:01:45.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is distributed primarily via GNU ELPA.""" start="00:01:48.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's really only a M-x list-packages away at any moment.""" start="00:01:54.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also a website hosted at gnu.org.""" start="00:02:02.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Among other things on the website, you'll find""" start="00:02:07.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a copy of the friendly, robust, and up-to-date user manual.""" start="00:02:11.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Installing Emms has become progressively easier over time""" start="00:02:21.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will continue to get easier.""" start="00:02:25.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the bad old days, it required downloading a tarball""" start="00:02:28.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and compiling a C language shim""" start="00:02:32.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to enable reading metadata from media files.""" start="00:02:35.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But those days are long gone, and installing Emms is now""" start="00:02:38.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as easy as invoking M-x list-packages,""" start="00:02:43.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""installing the Emms package, and placing as few as""" start="00:02:47.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2 or 3 lines of configuration in your Emacs initialization.""" start="00:02:51.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So after the package is installed via ELPA,""" start="00:02:57.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can add these few lines.""" start="00:03:02.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-all` will make available all of the stable features""" start="00:03:08.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are shipped with Emms.""" start="00:03:12.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `emms-player-list` variable is a list of players""" start="00:03:15.740" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like MPV, MPlayer, VLC, etc.""" start="00:03:20.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms will call and control these external players""" start="00:03:25.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to play your media.""" start="00:03:29.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The variable `emms-info-functions` is a list of ways""" start="00:03:32.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emms to read the metadata in your media files""" start="00:03:36.660" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that Emms can display song title, artist name,""" start="00:03:40.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""year of production, etc.""" start="00:03:45.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `emms-info-native` feature in the setup example""" start="00:03:49.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the built-in metadata reader""" start="00:03:55.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written entirely in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:03:58.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But there are also other backends""" start="00:04:01.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can call external programs for info""" start="00:04:04.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as TinyTag, the TagLib library, exiftool, and so on.""" start="00:04:07.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can then old-school restart your Emacs""" start="00:04:14.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or simply evaluate the above couple of lines to get going.""" start="00:04:17.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now that we have Emms installed and configured,""" start="00:04:22.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we should load some media for player.""" start="00:04:26.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are multiple ways to load media into Emms for playing.""" start="00:04:29.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can be directories with local files,""" start="00:04:32.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""synchronized from a remote instance of""" start="00:04:36.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a music player daemon, PLS or M3U playlists,""" start="00:04:38.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list of URLs for streaming,""" start="00:04:44.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even Emms' own native playlist format""" start="00:04:47.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is unsurprisingly a just serialized Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:04:51.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No matter how you add tracks to Emms,""" start="00:04:57.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll end up with a playlist.""" start="00:05:00.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A fundamental strength of Emms is that each playlist""" start="00:05:03.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a regular Emacs buffer and the track listing therein""" start="00:05:08.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is nothing more than text lines with property overlays.""" start="00:05:13.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that you can navigate, search, copy,""" start="00:05:17.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and edit an Emms playlist buffer""" start="00:05:21.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as you would any Emacs buffer.""" start="00:05:24.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to reorganize the tracks in the playlist,""" start="00:05:28.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then you can simply kill yank the tracks""" start="00:05:31.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as you would any buffer with lines of text,""" start="00:05:33.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the same can be done between multiple playlist buffers.""" start="00:05:36.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the most straightforward ways to add media""" start="00:05:42.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to invoke a command like `M-x emms-add-directory-tree`.""" start="00:05:46.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can point it to the top of a set of directories""" start="00:05:51.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with playable files for Emms to traverse.""" start="00:05:55.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another rather convenient method is to mark files in Dired""" start="00:06:00.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to invoke `emms-add-dired`.""" start="00:06:05.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I definitely use this one a lot.""" start="00:06:09.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emms playlist mode binds""" start="00:06:11.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a number of useful keys and commands.""" start="00:06:16.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's highly recommended that you either""" start="00:06:19.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read the friendly manual""" start="00:06:23.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or hit "C-h m" in a playlist buffer to discover them.""" start="00:06:25.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we have a playlist buffer with a number of tracks,""" start="00:06:32.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the next step is going to be playback.""" start="00:06:35.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can be used as a minimalistic player""" start="00:06:40.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with nothing more than a handful of commands.""" start="00:06:44.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once there is a current Emms playlist,""" start="00:06:48.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""invoking emms-start will begin playing the current track.""" start="00:06:51.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now of course in a new playlist""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be the first track.""" start="00:07:00.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now emms-next, emms-pause, and emms-stop""" start="00:07:02.580" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do exactly what you think they do.""" start="00:07:07.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To visit the current playlist,""" start="00:07:11.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can invoke M-x emms-playlist-mode-go,""" start="00:07:13.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a long command I personally bind to "M-f12".""" start="00:07:17.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll be taken to the current playlist buffer.""" start="00:07:22.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While you can have multiple playlist buffers,""" start="00:07:25.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only one is current for the purposes of playback commands.""" start="00:07:29.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The playlist buffer has keys bound""" start="00:07:35.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to control the media being played.""" start="00:07:38.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-seek-forward` and `emms-seek-backwards` allow you""" start="00:07:39.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to scrub along the media being played.""" start="00:07:44.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which commands are available is a function of""" start="00:07:49.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the player backend being employed.""" start="00:07:51.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The simplest of players may have nothing more""" start="00:07:54.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than the ability to play, stop, and seek,""" start="00:07:56.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but others may implement a plethora of commands.""" start="00:07:59.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The modeline""" start="00:08:04.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Modeline: Emms will by default display""" start="00:08:04.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the currently playing track in the mode line""" start="00:08:08.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with information such as playing time.""" start="00:08:11.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The mode line format is controlled""" start="00:08:15.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via the `emms-mode-line-format` variable""" start="00:08:15.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the `emms-mode-line-playlist-current` function.""" start="00:08:20.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Metadata and the cache.""" start="00:08:27.140" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It would be sufficient for emms to simply list""" start="00:08:31.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the file names or urls of each piece of media,""" start="00:08:34.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but unless you name your music and media""" start="00:08:38.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with obsessive consistency and precision,""" start="00:08:41.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not that there is anything wrong with that""" start="00:08:43.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the resulting list will be a bit of an eyesore.""" start="00:08:46.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moreover, there are a lot of other useful metadata""" start="00:08:50.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the media files, including cool stuff like album art.""" start="00:08:54.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So instead of just files, Emms will try""" start="00:08:58.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to extract metadata from each track""" start="00:09:01.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and display a nicely-formatted track listing.""" start="00:09:04.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The format can be controlled by customizing""" start="00:09:08.220" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the variable `emms-track-description-function`.""" start="00:09:10.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms uses so-called info methods to extract""" start="00:09:15.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the metadata from each file.""" start="00:09:19.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-info-native`, which I mentioned before,""" start="00:09:22.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the built-in metadata reader written in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:09:25.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It provides support for Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Opus, FLAC, and MP3.""" start="00:09:30.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, if you have media in other formats,""" start="00:09:37.660" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can also add info methods""" start="00:09:40.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the `emms-info-functions` list,""" start="00:09:42.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which call external programs such as exiftool,""" start="00:09:45.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the LibTag library, tiny-tag, etc. to read file metadata.""" start="00:09:48.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since reading metadata takes time""" start="00:09:55.420" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that metadata doesn't change very often,""" start="00:09:58.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms builds a cache as it extracts""" start="00:10:01.340" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the information from each file.""" start="00:10:04.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first time loading of thousands of tracks""" start="00:10:06.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the emms cache may take a while,""" start="00:10:09.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as is the nature of caching, subsequent loads""" start="00:10:13.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be nearly instantaneous.""" start="00:10:17.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To ease loading huge media collections,""" start="00:10:20.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emms also can populate the cache asynchronously,""" start="00:10:22.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that your emacs isn't locked up in the interim.""" start="00:10:26.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's talk about streams and URLs.""" start="00:10:30.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not all playlist entries need to be associated with files.""" start="00:10:33.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's possible to add streaming playlists""" start="00:10:37.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and URLs to any playlist.""" start="00:10:39.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms also comes with a built-in eclectic list""" start="00:10:42.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of streaming audio stations to get you started.""" start="00:10:46.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any playlist entry can be a URL,""" start="00:10:50.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that URL will be passed on to the media player backend,""" start="00:10:52.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can play it, if any.""" start="00:10:56.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Meta-playlist mode""" start="00:11:01.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Meta-playlist mode:""" start="00:11:01.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms also has meta-playlist mode""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help manage multiple playlists.""" start="00:11:08.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you invoke meta-playlist mode,""" start="00:11:11.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see a listing of all of the current Emms playlists,""" start="00:11:13.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this mode binds a handful of useful keybindings""" start="00:11:16.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help manage those playlists.""" start="00:11:22.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The browser""" start="00:11:29.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Browser:""" start="00:11:29.860" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Music doesn't always lend itself to being viewed""" start="00:11:31.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a series of discrete files.""" start="00:11:35.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While there may be a good taxonomy of music""" start="00:11:38.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be reflected using directories and filenames,""" start="00:11:41.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are other aspects which cannot.""" start="00:11:45.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is especially true when you consider that""" start="00:11:49.100" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unlike many computer file taxonomies,""" start="00:11:51.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""music files may contain""" start="00:11:55.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of self-descriptive information""" start="00:11:56.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the form of metadata,""" start="00:11:58.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as the year a work was published, the composer,""" start="00:12:00.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the performing artist, etc.""" start="00:12:04.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Therefore, it makes sense for Emms to enable""" start="00:12:07.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a different view into a media collection""" start="00:12:11.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is based on the cached metadata.""" start="00:12:13.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The browser interface binds a host of keys""" start="00:12:17.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help navigate the tree structure""" start="00:12:19.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the metadata information.""" start="00:12:22.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since browser display""" start="00:12:24.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not predicated upon directory structure,""" start="00:12:25.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can invoke functions such as `emms-browse-by-album`,""" start="00:12:28.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or `emms-browse-by-artist`, etc.""" start="00:12:32.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to view the collection in different ways.""" start="00:12:35.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can do a lot more,""" start="00:12:42.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but covering it all would take too much time.""" start="00:12:43.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do recommend opening the fine Emms manual""" start="00:12:47.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and getting to know some additional features""" start="00:12:50.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as sorting tracks in playlists,""" start="00:12:52.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorting and filtering in the browser,""" start="00:12:55.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing track information,""" start="00:12:57.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deriving a new playlist from an existing playlist,""" start="00:12:59.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the music player daemon, lyrics display, volume control,""" start="00:13:01.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bookmarks, GNU FM, and Dbus/Mpris support.""" start="00:13:07.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope this was a useful introduction to Emms.""" start="00:13:13.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How Emms works: The technical part""" start="00:13:19.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How Emms Works: The technical part:""" start="00:13:19.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This part is an overview of how Emms works.""" start="00:13:23.220" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the end of this, you should be familiar enough""" start="00:13:26.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emms internals to hack on it. Hint hint.""" start="00:13:29.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A short history of Emms""" start="00:13:34.740" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is 20 years old as of the time of writing.""" start="00:13:37.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Old enough to drink in many countries.""" start="00:13:42.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means it was developed back in 2003""" start="00:13:45.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for emacs 21.2 or thereabouts.""" start="00:13:48.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As developers, we don't go around looking to""" start="00:13:53.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replace code just because it's old.""" start="00:13:56.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, some parts were inadequate""" start="00:13:58.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just didn't age gracefully.""" start="00:14:01.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we have been partially or completely rewriting those.""" start="00:14:04.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I became the maintainer of Emms about a decade ago,""" start="00:14:10.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I didn't start the project.""" start="00:14:13.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jorgen Schäfer started the project.""" start="00:14:16.100" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reached out to Jorgen""" start="00:14:21.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he kindly shared some of his recollections.""" start="00:14:22.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jorgen states that Emms was born back""" start="00:14:25.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the music format wars raged.""" start="00:14:28.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MP3 was the standard, but overshadowed with patent issues.""" start="00:14:31.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS""" start="00:14:38.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only stopped licensing their patents for MP3""" start="00:14:42.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as recently as April of 2017.""" start="00:14:45.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jorgen said that, and I quote,""" start="00:14:49.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""I needed a tool that was player agnostic""" start="00:14:53.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that could deal with a large collection of music files.""" start="00:14:56.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I did not want any of the GUI music players""" start="00:14:59.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that existed back then.""" start="00:15:02.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Primarily, actually, because I did not want""" start="00:15:04.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be switching windows to skip to the next song.""" start="00:15:07.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I remember correctly,""" start="00:15:11.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had just a shell script before that.""" start="00:15:12.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I figured I lived in Emacs, so why not write a tool""" start="00:15:16.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can control my music from Emacs""" start="00:15:20.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without ever having to leave Emacs?" Unquote.""" start="00:15:23.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can see that Jorgen's motivations were of the best kind,""" start="00:15:27.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to stay in Emacs.""" start="00:15:32.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms, an architecture of sensible abstractions.""" start="00:15:35.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can be divided into a number of parts.""" start="00:15:40.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The core, tracks, playlists, sources, players,""" start="00:15:44.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""info, cache, and ancillary.""" start="00:15:48.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now David J. Wheeler once said""" start="00:15:51.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that all problems in computer science""" start="00:15:53.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be solved by another level of indirection,""" start="00:15:56.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except of course for the problem""" start="00:15:59.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of too many layers of indirection.""" start="00:16:01.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms core has survived this long""" start="00:16:04.420" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it makes sensible and flexible coding abstractions.""" start="00:16:07.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep this in mind as we explore the implementation.""" start="00:16:11.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This following part of the talk will also be invaluable""" start="00:16:15.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to hack on Emacs.""" start="00:16:18.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another hint.""" start="00:16:21.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The Emms core""" start="00:16:23.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Emms core.""" start="00:16:23.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The core defines tracks, playlists,""" start="00:16:25.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a way to start and stop playback,""" start="00:16:29.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as ways to proceed to the next track.""" start="00:16:31.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tracks""" start="00:16:36.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Tracks:""" start="00:16:36.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms tracks consist of a list whose CAR is the symbol track,""" start="00:16:38.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and CADR is an alist starting with""" start="00:16:44.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the association of `type'.""" start="00:16:47.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Type can be something like file, streamlist, URL, etc.""" start="00:16:50.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A track of classical music from Bach's Art of Fugue""" start="00:16:56.740" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""may look something like this.""" start="00:17:00.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While a track may contain many associations,""" start="00:17:04.380" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the number of associations remains a small constant""" start="00:17:07.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the perspective of computational steps required""" start="00:17:11.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to find any particular association.""" start="00:17:14.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Playlist""" start="00:17:18.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Playlist:""" start="00:17:18.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An Emms playlist consists of an Emacs buffer""" start="00:17:20.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a buffer-local non-nil variable,""" start="00:17:23.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-playlist-buffer-p`.""" start="00:17:26.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The buffer can contain anything, any amount or type of text,""" start="00:17:29.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything else.""" start="00:17:33.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms tracks are stored in text properties within the buffer,""" start="00:17:35.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the unimaginatively named text property `emms-track`.""" start="00:17:40.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Emms, to go to the next track consists of""" start="00:17:46.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nothing more than looking for the next text property change""" start="00:17:49.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""containing `emms-track`, wherever that is.""" start="00:17:52.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that there is a healthy decoupling between""" start="00:17:57.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the visual representation of a playlist""" start="00:18:00.540" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its contents as far as Emms is concerned.""" start="00:18:03.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This decoupling allows Emms playlist buffers""" start="00:18:08.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to look like anything as long as that anything consists of""" start="00:18:11.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one or more `emms-track` text properties.""" start="00:18:15.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sources""" start="00:18:22.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Sources:""" start="00:18:22.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A source is how you tell Emms:""" start="00:18:23.580" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Go and get those things and turn them into tracks."""" start="00:18:25.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More specifically, an Emms source is a function called in""" start="00:18:29.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a playlist buffer in order to add tracks.""" start="00:18:34.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And even more specifically, a source is really""" start="00:18:37.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a family of related functions""" start="00:18:40.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined by the macro `define-emms-source`.""" start="00:18:42.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A straightforward example""" start="00:18:47.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the function `emms-add-directory`,""" start="00:18:49.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which adds an entire directory of files""" start="00:18:52.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the current playlist.""" start="00:18:55.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It accepts, or interactively queries for, a directory""" start="00:18:57.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and iterates over each file in that directory,""" start="00:19:02.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding them as tracks to the playlist buffer as it goes.""" start="00:19:06.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms comes with sources for files, directories, URLs,""" start="00:19:10.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""playlists of various formats,""" start="00:19:15.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files from dired mode, and etc.""" start="00:19:17.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Players""" start="00:19:22.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Players:""" start="00:19:22.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An Emms player is, at its simplest, a data structure""" start="00:19:24.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with three functions.""" start="00:19:28.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One to start playing, one to stop,""" start="00:19:30.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and one which returns true if the player knows""" start="00:19:34.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to play a given track.""" start="00:19:38.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, if your player also knows how to pause, resume,""" start="00:19:41.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seek, etc, then additional functions can be added""" start="00:19:44.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the player data structure.""" start="00:19:48.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is abstract enough to be able to, for example,""" start="00:19:51.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""define a simple player for images with the help of""" start="00:19:55.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the `define-emms-simple-player` macro.""" start="00:19:58.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The above will define a player called `emms-player-display`,""" start="00:20:04.580" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which would call ImageMagick's `display` command""" start="00:20:09.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on each file in our playlist""" start="00:20:12.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the image file extension we listed.""" start="00:20:15.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Info""" start="00:20:20.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Info:""" start="00:20:20.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As previously described, Emms comes with info methods,""" start="00:20:23.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are functions to add""" start="00:20:28.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""descriptive information to tracks.""" start="00:20:29.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is set up so that""" start="00:20:32.340" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hook `emms-track-initialize-functions` is called""" start="00:20:34.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when a track is created, and that ends up calling""" start="00:20:37.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the info methods listed in the `emms-info-functions` list.""" start="00:20:41.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These will modify the track data structure to add metadata.""" start="00:20:46.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the coolest recent features of Emms""" start="00:20:51.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is `emms-info-native`, written by Petteri Hintsanen;""" start="00:20:54.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again, sorry for the pronunciation.""" start="00:20:58.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-info-native` is a purely Emacs Lisp implementation""" start="00:21:01.326" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which reads Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Opus, FLAC, and MP3 files""" start="00:21:06.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and parses out the metadata.""" start="00:21:11.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is in comparison with other info readers""" start="00:21:14.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which Emms supports, which all involve calling out""" start="00:21:17.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to external processes and parsing the values returned.""" start="00:21:20.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`emms-info-native` works by unpacking and examining""" start="00:21:25.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the binary data in the media file headers""" start="00:21:29.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and parsing the data layout specifications.""" start="00:21:32.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The cache""" start="00:21:36.660" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Cache:""" start="00:21:36.660" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The Emms cache is a mapping between a full path name""" start="00:21:38.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and its associated information.""" start="00:21:43.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once information is extracted from a file""" start="00:21:45.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using an info method, that information is then""" start="00:21:48.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""associated with that file in the cache.""" start="00:21:50.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing to bear in mind is that the caching system""" start="00:21:53.980" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was originally written back""" start="00:21:57.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when slow spinning disks were common.""" start="00:21:58.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A 32GB SSD drive cost close to $700 in 2006,""" start="00:22:00.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the equivalent of about $1,000""" start="00:22:07.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the time of writing.""" start="00:22:10.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But despite the speed of modern drives,""" start="00:22:12.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the caching system is still worth using""" start="00:22:15.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for larger music collections.""" start="00:22:17.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The caching system is also a prerequisite""" start="00:22:19.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being able to use the Emms browser.""" start="00:22:22.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The cache implementation is relatively naive.""" start="00:22:26.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, moving a file will invalidate""" start="00:22:30.380" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that cache entry for that file""" start="00:22:33.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will require a refresh.""" start="00:22:35.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, relatively little work has been done""" start="00:22:37.580" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the cache implementation over the years""" start="00:22:40.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since it has proven to be good enough""" start="00:22:42.780" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the majority of situations.""" start="00:22:45.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is to say, nobody complained.""" start="00:22:47.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Healthy back and forth: mpv, mpd, and GNU.FM""" start="00:22:51.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Healthy back and forth. MPV, MPD, GNU.FM""" start="00:22:51.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Process communication with a simple media player""" start="00:22:56.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be as straightforward""" start="00:23:00.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as starting an asynchronous process""" start="00:23:01.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and waiting for that process to complete""" start="00:23:03.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to move to the next track.""" start="00:23:05.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how the example above""" start="00:23:08.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with ImageMagick's display binary worked.""" start="00:23:10.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, Emms also handles asynchronous""" start="00:23:13.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two-way communication with processes.""" start="00:23:17.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A simple example of this would be sending strings""" start="00:23:20.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a running process such as the pause command to VLC.""" start="00:23:23.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""MPV""" start="00:23:31.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""MPV:""" start="00:23:31.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MPV is a popular media player forked""" start="00:23:33.380" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a roundabout way from mplayer.""" start="00:23:37.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of its most notable features is""" start="00:23:39.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""support for a robust client API.""" start="00:23:42.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike Kazantsev has been working since 2018""" start="00:23:46.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to develop the excellent `emms-player-mpv.el'.""" start="00:23:52.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can communicate with a long running MPV process""" start="00:23:58.350" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via Unix sockets or IP sockets.""" start="00:24:02.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This allows for MPV to do things""" start="00:24:07.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like update ICY metadata for streaming audio.""" start="00:24:11.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that, for example, when a song changes""" start="00:24:14.890" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while you're listening to a streaming audio via Emms,""" start="00:24:17.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the song title displayed in the mode line""" start="00:24:22.050" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and track listing can update as well.""" start="00:24:24.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that deep inside the code""" start="00:24:28.330" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is an Emacs `make-network-process` call.""" start="00:24:30.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The fact that Mike has put this together""" start="00:24:35.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in fewer than 1,000 lines of legible Emacs Lisp""" start="00:24:37.920" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a testament to some serious coding ability.""" start="00:24:42.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""MPD""" start="00:24:47.470" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""MPD:""" start="00:24:47.470" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Similar to MPV but potentially""" start="00:24:49.610" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on a completely different machine""" start="00:24:52.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is Emms support for the Music Player Daemon.""" start="00:24:54.120" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Music Player Daemon or MPD is a media player""" start="00:24:58.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with an explicit client-server design""" start="00:25:01.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and communicates with Emms via a network process.""" start="00:25:03.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, MPD support has never been all that great.""" start="00:25:09.950" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this isn't the emms developers fault!""" start="00:25:16.090" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because unlike every other media player""" start="00:25:20.470" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Emms interfaces with MPD is designed around""" start="00:25:25.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its own internal playlist database.""" start="00:25:29.730" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a surprising design decision""" start="00:25:31.930" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the MPD developers' part""" start="00:25:35.270" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since it goes against the client-server mindset.""" start="00:25:37.650" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A consequence is that we end up having to try and coordinate""" start="00:25:41.750" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and harmonize the MPD playlist with the Emms playlist.""" start="00:25:45.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can foresee writing a completely new MPD mode for Emms""" start="00:25:51.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is designed to be a true pure MPD client.""" start="00:25:56.690" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unless of course someone volunteers to beat me to it.""" start="00:26:01.510" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hint hint.""" start="00:26:05.340" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""GNU FM and Libre FM""" start="00:26:07.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""GNU FM and Libre FM:""" start="00:26:07.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Libre FM is a music community which allows you""" start="00:26:10.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to share your listening habits with other users of the site.""" start="00:26:13.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A kind of online listening party.""" start="00:26:17.450" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the case of `emms-librefm-scrobber.el`""" start="00:26:21.270" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we use Emacs' `url-retrieve` function""" start="00:26:25.650" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to asynchronously send to a URL""" start="00:26:28.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then fire a callback function to process the response.""" start="00:26:32.450" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This represents numerous challenges""" start="00:26:40.050" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to implement within Emacs.""" start="00:26:42.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The primary issue being that Emacs itself""" start="00:26:45.090" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pretty weak at doing anything""" start="00:26:47.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""truly and really asynchronously.""" start="00:26:50.100" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can say with confident sarcasm""" start="00:26:54.220" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with tongue firmly planted in cheek""" start="00:26:56.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it is almost as if the original designers""" start="00:26:59.530" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs didn't foresee their text editor""" start="00:27:02.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needing to play music""" start="00:27:05.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while interacting with a remote network server.""" start="00:27:07.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How myopic!""" start="00:27:09.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How we work: Emms development""" start="00:27:12.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How we work: Emms development:""" start="00:27:12.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This part is an overview of how Emms is developed.""" start="00:27:15.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the end of this part you should be able to understand""" start="00:27:19.620" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how we hacked this project, and how you can too.""" start="00:27:23.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where it's at.""" start="00:27:28.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How to find our forge.""" start="00:27:29.950" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms has been hosted at the FSF's forge, Savannah,""" start="00:27:32.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since around 2003.""" start="00:27:36.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms is distributed via GNU ELPA and integrated into Emacs.""" start="00:27:39.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before ELPA it was distributed as a tarball""" start="00:27:46.230" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via ftp.gnu.org but that stopped back in 2020.""" start="00:27:49.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was initially resistant to ELPA but around the time""" start="00:27:55.140" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the thousandth person asked me why Emms isn't on ELPA,""" start="00:27:58.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I realized that it had to happen.""" start="00:28:03.850" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms can also be found in other places""" start="00:28:07.210" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as Melpa or GitHub but we, the developers of Emms,""" start="00:28:10.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have nothing to do with that""" start="00:28:16.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we don't monitor those channels.""" start="00:28:18.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want the source straight from, well, the source,""" start="00:28:21.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then go to the Savannah Git repository.""" start="00:28:26.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Look who's talking: Where development discussion happens.""" start="00:28:30.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to talk to us, discussions all happen""" start="00:28:34.990" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on emms-help@gnu.org.""" start="00:28:38.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We used to use emms-patches@gnu.org""" start="00:28:41.430" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but didn't feel like the volume of incoming patches""" start="00:28:45.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""justified a separate mailing list.""" start="00:28:48.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The Rime Of The Ancient Maintainer""" start="00:28:52.590" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Rime Of The Ancient Maintainer:""" start="00:28:52.590" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a number of activities""" start="00:28:55.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particular to being a maintainer.""" start="00:28:57.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are all part of a project's lifecycle.""" start="00:29:00.100" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's review some of them.""" start="00:29:03.390" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The life and times of an Emms patch""" start="00:29:06.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The life and times of an Emms patch:""" start="00:29:06.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A maintainer needs to be able to accept, critique,""" start="00:29:10.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and integrate patches from contributors and developers.""" start="00:29:13.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means, among other things, that the maintainer""" start="00:29:17.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needs to keep on top of copyright issues.""" start="00:29:20.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before being able to add Emms to GNU/ELPA,""" start="00:29:24.470" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we had to make sure that the copyright situation""" start="00:29:29.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was in order.""" start="00:29:31.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This long process required reaching out to people""" start="00:29:33.850" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and having them assign the copyright""" start="00:29:37.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for their work to the FSF,""" start="00:29:39.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even removing their code entirely""" start="00:29:42.510" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they couldn't be reached.""" start="00:29:45.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The experience left me with the conviction""" start="00:29:47.970" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the easiest way to fix""" start="00:29:50.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the copyright situation of your package""" start="00:29:52.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to ensure that it never gets broken in the first place.""" start="00:29:54.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Often a person will write in to the emms-help mailing list,""" start="00:30:00.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or perhaps raise an issue on IRC.""" start="00:30:04.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it's a bug report or feature request, we'll discuss it,""" start="00:30:08.030" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when it's fixed, we'll ask the reporter""" start="00:30:11.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to test the result and provide feedback.""" start="00:30:14.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it's a patch, then we'll typically go one of three ways.""" start="00:30:17.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A trivial patch, such as fixing a typo""" start="00:30:22.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a long-term development work (my favorite),""" start="00:30:52.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then after copyright is cleared,""" start="00:30:56.010" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that person will be offered to be added""" start="00:30:57.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the members with Git repo access on Savannah.""" start="00:31:00.800" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From there, we usually use a dedicated branch""" start="00:31:05.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do all the playing around""" start="00:31:08.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before merging it with the main Git repo.""" start="00:31:09.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have ever sent a patch, feature request,""" start="00:31:13.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or bug report into Emms (small or large), we thank you.""" start="00:31:16.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Let It Go: The release process""" start="00:31:24.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let It Go, The Release Process:""" start="00:31:24.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The maintainer is responsible for the release process.""" start="00:31:27.790" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found that a consistent schedule works well,""" start="00:31:31.610" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not to say that we have to release on schedule,""" start="00:31:35.130" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that aiming for a consistent release schedule""" start="00:31:39.380" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provides structure and a goal.""" start="00:31:42.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main Git branch in the repository is stable""" start="00:31:46.050" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and more often than not of release quality.""" start="00:31:50.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Releases are done about every three months.""" start="00:31:53.240" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with such a stable main branch,""" start="00:31:56.650" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the process of releasing often involves little more""" start="00:31:59.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than writing a NEWS entry.""" start="00:32:02.320" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a consequence, new and wonderful features""" start="00:32:05.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which aren't quite ready for prime time""" start="00:32:08.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when a release comes around,""" start="00:32:11.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will remain safely in their branch on the Git repo""" start="00:32:13.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until after the ELPA release.""" start="00:32:18.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""It Is Not In Our Stars, But In Ourselves: Future directions""" start="00:32:23.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It Is Not In Our Stars, But In Ourselves; Future Directions:""" start="00:32:23.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One aspect of Emms that needs to improve is ease of setup.""" start="00:32:29.630" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now that might surprise you, since at the time of writing,""" start="00:32:34.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's already pretty easy.""" start="00:32:37.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But my ideal is that the user would need to do""" start="00:32:40.070" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nothing at all after installation.""" start="00:32:43.880" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with that, as a goal in mind,""" start="00:32:46.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is more work to be done.""" start="00:32:49.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are working on a player discovery feature.""" start="00:32:52.750" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea is simple.""" start="00:32:55.500" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The code looks for binaries of popular media players""" start="00:32:57.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the user's machine,""" start="00:33:00.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for each one found, it asks the user""" start="00:33:01.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they want the associated Emms player backend""" start="00:33:04.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be configured.""" start="00:33:07.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In effect, this code is already working,""" start="00:33:09.810" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but currently an undocumented, unofficial feature.""" start="00:33:12.590" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can try it for yourself with""" start="00:33:16.290" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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setting?""" start="00:33:36.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I personally don't like anything""" start="00:33:40.310" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to edit my .emacs except me,""" start="00:33:42.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wouldn't do that to anyone else.""" start="00:33:46.200" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we already write state to the .emacs.d/emms/ directory,""" start="00:33:49.280" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that would require care not to""" start="00:33:55.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clobber a user's existing setup.""" start="00:33:58.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Having the user set up their system in one place,""" start="00:34:01.910" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as a .emacs or a .emmsrc,""" start="00:34:04.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while saving state to a different place""" start="00:34:08.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is asking for confusion.""" start="00:34:11.420" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a good example which I bring up""" start="00:34:14.210" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of where a maintainer needs to""" start="00:34:16.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""solicit opinions from developers,""" start="00:34:18.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both the Emacs developers,""" start="00:34:21.309" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asking them where packages should save state,""" start="00:34:23.900" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Emms developers, and also users.""" start="00:34:28.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, the maintainer needs to""" start="00:34:33.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""carefully choose a path forward.""" start="00:34:35.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is typical of the kind of issue you have to have in mind""" start="00:34:38.020" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're maintaining a package.""" start="00:34:41.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Development policies: Interface language""" start="00:34:44.849" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Development Policies: Interface Language.""" start="00:34:44.849" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A maintainer of an interactive program such as Emms""" start="00:34:49.160" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needs to think about user interaction.""" start="00:34:52.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emms doesn't use key bindings which are familiar""" start="00:34:55.360" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to people who are used to GUI media players,""" start="00:34:58.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that can, and has, caused friction.""" start="00:35:02.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some new users are confused when they press the spacebar""" start="00:35:06.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on an entry in the Emms browser,""" start="00:35:09.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only to find that nothing starts playing.""" start="00:35:12.530" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Indeed, all that does is to expand the browser tree""" start="00:35:15.460" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at that point.""" start="00:35:18.680" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then they might press RET on the same entry,""" start="00:35:20.470" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and be further frustrated at the continuing silence.""" start="00:35:23.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since what return does is just to add that entry at point""" start="00:35:28.260" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the current playlist.""" start="00:35:33.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The discussion then arises""" start="00:35:36.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how Emms should handle that situation.""" start="00:35:37.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On one hand, we want to make it as easy as possible""" start="00:35:41.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for new users to learn Emms,""" start="00:35:45.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and adopt a do-what-I-mean interface approach.""" start="00:35:48.820" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, this is an Emacs project.""" start="00:35:52.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It isn't a stand-alone GUI media player,""" start="00:35:56.750" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and should integrate into Emacs,""" start="00:35:59.440" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and serve Emacs users first and foremost.""" start="00:36:01.400" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Development policies: Freedom""" start="00:36:05.980" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Development policies: Freedom.""" start="00:36:05.980" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another maintainer job is to think of Emms' posture""" start="00:36:10.290" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in regards to software freedom.""" start="00:36:15.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are a few examples.""" start="00:36:17.380" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Back with MP3 was still a patent encumbered format,""" start="00:36:19.730" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we pushed hard for Vorbis everywhere""" start="00:36:23.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with the PlayOgg campaign.""" start="00:36:26.081" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A then popular music streaming service,""" start="00:36:29.640" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will remain unnamed,""" start="00:36:32.700" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""and need to be re-evaluated.""" start="00:37:25.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the most useful things a maintainer can do""" start="00:37:30.300" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to coordinate the development effort""" start="00:37:33.000" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and help new people join the project.""" start="00:37:35.520" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In light of that, if you want to work on a project""" start="00:37:39.230" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has a bit of everything,""" start="00:37:41.840" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could do worse than hacking on Emms.""" start="00:37:44.060" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is inter-process communication,""" start="00:37:47.810" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""displaying graphics, parsing binary files,""" start="00:37:49.720" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""caching, asynchronous processes, user interface design.""" start="00:37:52.480" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also are a project that insists on""" start="00:37:56.530" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keeping a well-written and up-to-date manual.""" start="00:37:59.600" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can write English or hack Emacs Lisp at all,""" start="00:38:02.960" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chances are that there is something you can do for Emms.""" start="00:38:06.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just saying.""" start="00:38:09.940" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Acknowledgements""" start="00:38:12.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Acknowledgements:""" start="00:38:12.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to express my deep gratitude for all of the people""" start="00:38:14.190" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who have hacked on Emms""" start="00:38:18.080" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during my time as a maintainer and before it.""" start="00:38:19.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is often the case that I'm just the person""" start="00:38:23.170" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""holding the rudder and steering the ship,""" start="00:38:25.760" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all of these developers""" start="00:38:28.560" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rowing furiously to provide the power""" start="00:38:30.040" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which actually moves the ship forward.""" start="00:38:33.180" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to all.""" start="00:38:36.370" video="mainVideo-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: yoni + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="emms-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:06.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Yanny, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:07.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Excellent, excellent. Doing very well,""" start="00:00:10.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you.""" start="00:00:10.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So that was a wonderful presentation.""" start="00:00:13.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I first want to commend you on your ability""" start="00:00:17.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to both do the how the user encounters the""" start="00:00:22.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MMS, how the developer might be interested""" start="00:00:24.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how it works, and I feel like you've""" start="00:00:28.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done a wonderful job of talking to absolutely""" start="00:00:30.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone in our audience,""" start="00:00:31.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever their skill level.""" start="00:00:32.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much for this.""" start="00:00:34.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, that of course runs the risk of being,""" start="00:00:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, good for some,""" start="00:00:41.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but excellent for none.""" start="00:00:42.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But hopefully the result is that people can""" start="00:00:46.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get something out of it.""" start="00:00:48.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's very important to make sure that""" start="00:00:51.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone feels that they have access to""" start="00:00:55.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, they have access to EMMS,""" start="00:00:57.239" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they can do this in whatever capacity""" start="00:01:00.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they want. It's for everyone.""" start="00:01:02.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really believe that.""" start="00:01:05.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, and I understand this risk about having""" start="00:01:09.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a talk that is kind of a jack-of-all-trades,""" start="00:01:10.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but frankly you've done a wonderful job of""" start="00:01:14.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it interesting for everyone,""" start="00:01:16.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because also I think the parts worked really""" start="00:01:19.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, and people always had something to look""" start="00:01:21.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forward in terms of their expertise of what""" start="00:01:24.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly spoke to them.""" start="00:01:25.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you again. What I'm going to do,""" start="00:01:27.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have about 14 minutes of Q&A,""" start="00:01:29.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll invite people,""" start="00:01:30.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I usually do, to add their questions in""" start="00:01:33.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the other pad that you can find on the talks""" start="00:01:35.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or on IRC. You can also join us in the""" start="00:01:38.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discussion. 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I'm leaving.""" start="00:29:54.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: If you do this,""" start="00:30:00.550" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: This is useless. you're free software or""" start="00:30:01.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever, and just leave.""" start="00:30:03.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But some people are ornery.""" start="00:30:05.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not necessarily something bad that you""" start="00:30:09.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did. But that has happened.""" start="00:30:11.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are multiple stories.""" start="00:30:14.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the MMS is so old,""" start="00:30:16.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are multiple points in which non-free""" start="00:30:20.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software intersected with the EMS because of""" start="00:30:23.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multimedia and we had to go the other""" start="00:30:28.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""direction and so far it has served EMS well""" start="00:30:33.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the project has died as a result.""" start="00:30:38.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, can't prove a negative,""" start="00:30:39.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know where we would be if we had taken,""" start="00:30:42.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gone down that route. I'm pretty sure we""" start="00:30:44.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would need a new ELPA,""" start="00:30:46.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think being so clearly integrated with""" start="00:30:50.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs is a huge benefit to eMMS because it's""" start="00:30:55.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it allows people to install it very easily.""" start="00:30:57.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those are all the questions that I can""" start="00:31:08.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see.""" start="00:31:09.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You""" start="00:31:15.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emms%3A%20Emacs%20MultiMedia%20System%20%28EMMS%29) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/emms-before.md b/2023/info/emms-before.md index 6fa31cc8..876b22c8 100644 --- a/2023/info/emms-before.md +++ b/2023/info/emms-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,46 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 40-min talk -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 39-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-emms"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-emms" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +01:03.320 The structure of this talk +01:21.320 Introduction to Emms: The practical part +08:04.240 The modeline +11:01.200 Meta-playlist mode +11:29.860 The browser +13:19.920 How Emms works: The technical part +16:23.820 The Emms core +16:36.440 Tracks +17:18.460 Playlist +18:22.080 Sources +19:22.160 Players +20:20.520 Info +21:36.660 The cache +22:51.620 Healthy back and forth: mpv, mpd, and GNU.FM +23:31.560 MPV +24:47.470 MPD +26:07.440 GNU FM and Libre FM +27:12.560 How we work: Emms development +28:52.590 The Rime Of The Ancient Maintainer +29:06.080 The life and times of an Emms patch +31:24.080 Let It Go: The release process +32:23.400 It Is Not In Our Stars, But In Ourselves: Future directions +34:44.849 Development policies: Interface language +36:05.980 Development policies: Freedom +38:12.370 Acknowledgements + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 38:38 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-emms">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=8b33cba3581e35350526d5dfcaf8fdacae21884f-1701622838637">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.opus">Download --main.opus (21MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--main.webm">Download --main.webm (139MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin.outline">Download .outline</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/ppdF62LysvxpXgZVaeF9wk">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kII413hkyis">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-emms"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-emms-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 32:38 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-emms">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=8b33cba3581e35350526d5dfcaf8fdacae21884f-1701622838637">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.json">Download --answers.json (1.3MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (19MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emms--emacs-multimedia-system-emms--yoni-rabkin--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (52MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/emms-nav.md b/2023/info/emms-nav.md index f79dc12e..b38582cc 100644 --- a/2023/info/emms-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/emms-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eat">Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/mentor">Mentoring VS-Coders as an Emacsian (or How to show not tell people about the wonders of Emacs)</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/cubing">Speedcubing in Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/steno">Programming with steno</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/eval-after.md b/2023/info/eval-after.md index 8815b464..780cdf3c 100644 --- a/2023/info/eval-after.md +++ b/2023/info/eval-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,218 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [Alhassy@gmail.com](mailto:Alhassy@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20eval%3A%20Editor%20Integrated%20REPL%20Driven%20Development%20for%20all%20languages) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="eval-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:04.880" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, and welcome to EmacsConf 2023!""" start="00:00:04.880" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Musa Al-hassy,""" start="00:00:10.001" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will be talking about "REPL-driven development."""" start="00:00:12.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like programming languages so much.""" start="00:00:15.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to use them all over the place.""" start="00:00:18.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got a PhD in the topic.""" start="00:00:20.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's just dive in.""" start="00:00:23.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a lightning talk,""" start="00:00:25.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the details will be available in the repository.""" start="00:00:27.949" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Links to longer videos and GIFs""" start="00:00:31.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for those who are interested.""" start="00:00:33.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The wonders of C-x C-e""" start="00:00:35.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So the wonderful thing about Emacs""" start="00:00:35.989" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that you can execute Lisp anywhere.""" start="00:00:37.309" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I can go to this piece of Lisp,""" start="00:00:40.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""press Ctrl-x Ctrl-e (`C-x C-e`)""" start="00:00:42.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a little pop-up.""" start="00:00:45.576" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright, so here I pressed `C-x C-e`""" start="00:00:47.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is what it ran.""" start="00:00:49.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what this package gives you""" start="00:00:51.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the same ability""" start="00:00:52.776" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any language of your choosing.""" start="00:00:54.509" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for example, here is some Java,""" start="00:00:56.909" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I bound it to Ctrl-x, Ctrl-j (`C-x C-j`).""" start="00:00:59.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I say `C-x C-j`, and this runs some code,""" start="00:01:02.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and over here I get a little pop-up.""" start="00:01:07.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wonderful thing about""" start="00:01:13.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being able to run code from anywhere""" start="00:01:15.069" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that you can keep it in normal text files""" start="00:01:16.829" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any kind of file you like.""" start="00:01:19.029" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you can have hyperlinks,""" start="00:01:20.629" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as it were…, like this one.""" start="00:01:23.669" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-x C-e`, and now we can see this down here.""" start="00:01:25.109" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Learn about it.""" start="00:01:28.549" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But being able to run other languages besides Emacs""" start="00:01:30.789" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lets us do some interesting things.""" start="00:01:34.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, in the middle of a JavaScript program,""" start="00:01:36.149" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might write a line like this. `C-x C-n`.""" start="00:01:39.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that says down here""" start="00:01:43.429" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`javascript-eval` in the mode line,""" start="00:01:45.229" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so this just checks that some endpoint""" start="00:01:47.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is working as intended.""" start="00:01:49.643" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you don't need to use an external tool""" start="00:01:51.189" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to check endpoints.""" start="00:01:52.749" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can just use Emacs in your favorite language.""" start="00:01:53.589" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, you can keep your spirit up.""" start="00:01:57.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, `C-x C-a` runs `applescript-eval`.""" start="00:01:59.629" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Computer]: You can do it, buddy.""" start="00:02:03.709" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Musa]: Maybe you heard that in the background?""" start="00:02:06.376" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The cool thing is, your code immediately takes form.""" start="00:02:13.269" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right away, you see it doing things, you know,""" start="00:02:15.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""altering your environment.""" start="00:02:18.469" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, this is JavaScript,""" start="00:02:20.349" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and JavaScript here is gonna change Emacs for us.""" start="00:02:24.429" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `C-x C-n`. 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Bye bye, everyone.""" start="00:09:34.389" video="mainVideo-eval" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/eval-nav.md b/2023/info/eval-nav.md index cf6caaa8..2a1de627 100644 --- a/2023/info/eval-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/eval-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/overlay">Improving compiler diagnostics with Overlays</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/overlay">Improving compiler diagnostics with overlays</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/repl">REPLs in strange places: Lua, LaTeX, LPeg, LPegRex, TikZ</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/extending-nav.md b/2023/info/extending-nav.md index 7aa9500a..5a84a12c 100644 --- a/2023/info/extending-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/extending-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hyperdrive">hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/scheme">Bringing joy to Scheme programming</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/flat-after.md b/2023/info/flat-after.md index 98c4782f..8135bc6c 100644 --- a/2023/info/flat-after.md +++ b/2023/info/flat-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,261 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20flat%3A%20A%20modern%20Emacs%20look-and-feel%20without%20pain) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="flat-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""That's how I came into this.""" start="00:00:01.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, the next big thing was starting""" start="00:00:10.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2005, I went fully Linux and then for Mac OS,""" start="00:00:16.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I switched to vanilla self-compiled""" start="00:00:19.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versions of Emacs. So what do I want to show?""" start="00:00:25.279" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Couple of time ago in the development list""" start="00:00:30.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a short exchange about the nil and""" start="00:00:34.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the flood button, flood button button styles,""" start="00:00:38.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying that it was equivalent and they are""" start="00:00:42.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not. So instead of starting a Flame Wars,""" start="00:00:45.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was better to go and publicize""" start="00:00:49.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the goodies you get with Flood Button.""" start="00:00:54.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is what I'm going to be showing you""" start="00:00:57.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""practically. Why Flood Button?""" start="00:01:00.140" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2005, more or less, I came across DOOM Emacs,""" start="00:01:06.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was nice. And I,""" start="00:01:07.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially I liked the DOOM mode line,""" start="00:01:12.180" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was, I think it is,""" start="00:01:13.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is, and it was cool at that time.""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using other themes and it was not that""" start="00:01:20.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy to adapt for these other themes and even""" start="00:01:23.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""less when you are in an environment with""" start="00:01:26.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dynamic themes like mine because I tend to""" start="00:01:30.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adapt the theme to the light conditions in my""" start="00:01:36.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working place. So what I did at the end was""" start="00:01:40.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming up with a style for faces called flood""" start="00:01:44.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button for boxes, called flood button as a""" start="00:01:49.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simple way to get modern looking buttons and""" start="00:01:52.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bars. So flood button is a face style for""" start="00:01:59.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""boxes within buttons that automatically sets""" start="00:02:02.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the border color to the background of the""" start="00:02:05.240" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""face, as opposed to nil,""" start="00:02:08.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which uses the foreground.""" start="00:02:10.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this produces a very doom mode line-ish""" start="00:02:14.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look and feel. And if you want to know where""" start="00:02:18.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it, basically for the mode line and I'm""" start="00:02:21.580" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using tab line for a long time now.""" start="00:02:24.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for the mode line and for tab line to""" start="00:02:28.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize my windows. And since an image is""" start="00:02:35.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worth more than a thousand words,""" start="00:02:37.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to stop this and start sharing""" start="00:02:40.860" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a small Emacs environment I have ready for""" start="00:02:44.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this talk where I'm going to show you a flat""" start="00:02:47.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button in real life. So if you hold with me,""" start="00:02:50.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to share a window.""" start="00:02:56.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to be this 1.""" start="00:02:58.840" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Share and share. Here we are.""" start="00:03:01.386" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And share. Here we are.""" start="00:03:01.780" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is an Emacs which is recent,""" start="00:03:08.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reasonably recent. Nothing especially it was""" start="00:03:13.460" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compiled, it's Emacs 30.""" start="00:03:14.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think what I have here is something""" start="00:03:18.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I compiled last weekend.""" start="00:03:19.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was tempted to use something compiled this""" start="00:03:24.940" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""morning, but I saw a patch by Ellie regarding""" start="00:03:28.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something in the faces and I didn't want to""" start="00:03:30.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live a too risky life here,""" start="00:03:34.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm going to use this.""" start="00:03:36.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not starting the ZMAC from the normal""" start="00:03:40.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs directory. I have my own,""" start="00:03:44.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a special customization directory for""" start="00:03:49.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, and this is this 1.""" start="00:03:51.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here what I have is basically an early""" start="00:03:57.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""init and an init. So the early init,""" start="00:04:01.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is quite stupid as you see,""" start="00:04:03.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the only thing that it does is getting rid of""" start="00:04:07.800" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the things that I'm not going to be""" start="00:04:10.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using here. So I have no toolbar,""" start="00:04:12.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no scroll bar, no tool tips.""" start="00:04:15.700" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't like global highlighting my line art,""" start="00:04:20.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm not using that.""" start="00:04:21.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not using dialogues.""" start="00:04:22.800" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And to start up easier,""" start="00:04:25.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't inhibit, I don't use any startups""" start="00:04:29.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""screen. 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And control X 1,""" start="00:11:31.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""control X buffer to init.""" start="00:11:34.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is what you would have to do to get""" start="00:11:41.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your mode line or mode line inactive with a""" start="00:11:48.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""flat button style. So what you do is you get""" start="00:11:52.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your face like this, the face that you want""" start="00:11:56.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to modify. You say that you inherit from the""" start="00:11:59.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""original face and what you do is that you add""" start="00:12:02.920" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a box with the line width that you want and""" start="00:12:06.820" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the style plug button.""" start="00:12:08.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it's too difficult to do.""" start="00:12:10.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How much work was involved in implementing""" start="00:12:23.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this style? It is not 1 of the biggest""" start="00:12:27.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""patches you have in Emacs.""" start="00:12:28.940" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was my first patch,""" start="00:12:32.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it was like 20 liners.""" start="00:12:34.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not too much. Yes,""" start="00:12:40.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am going to go and...""" start="00:12:44.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. SKB and... There you are.""" start="00:12:54.733" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you are. I've checked it for copy""" start="00:12:58.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and paste. Of course, then what you have to""" start="00:13:05.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do is to add an advice and add this thing""" start="00:13:09.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after the add this code after the well after""" start="00:13:16.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you've loaded the theme.""" start="00:13:17.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It says, ModeLine and ModeLineInactive.""" start="00:13:22.420" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also using it for TabLine and""" start="00:13:27.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TabLineInactive and all this kind of things.""" start="00:13:29.820" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks.""" start="00:13:30.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks. Any other questions?""" start="00:14:00.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reactions? Thank you. Thank you.""" start="00:14:35.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I think we still have about 6 or 7 more""" start="00:15:04.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes of live Q&A on stream,""" start="00:15:05.840" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if folks have any more questions,""" start="00:15:07.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please do feel free to post them on the pad.""" start="00:15:09.940" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Silence. Silence. Silence.""" start="00:15:30.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, do you teach eMAX to any of your""" start="00:16:02.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""university students? As such,""" start="00:16:04.700" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's no course that we teach,""" start="00:16:08.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in tutorships and in tutoring sessions,""" start="00:16:12.800" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we do practical things,""" start="00:16:15.460" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I do a lot, I tend to use Emacs for all""" start="00:16:21.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the tasks so that the students get involved""" start="00:16:24.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in it. I also have a small introduction to""" start="00:16:28.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs that I share with my students.""" start="00:16:29.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So So every year I have 2 or 3 new adepts.""" start="00:16:33.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a question on IRC.""" start="00:17:43.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone asking can you please show what the""" start="00:17:46.920" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tab line looks like? Just a second.""" start="00:17:53.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This would be like this.""" start="00:17:56.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For that I'm going to use my regular Emacs.""" start="00:18:03.096" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just my my regular emacs so just let me fire""" start="00:18:06.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it up. Sure.""" start="00:18:09.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And""" start="00:18:23.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's my current situation with the tab""" start="00:18:39.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""line. I do have a couple of functions.""" start="00:18:42.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is 1 of the things that I use.""" start="00:18:44.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see, both the tab line here and the""" start="00:18:51.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode line change. And the other thing is I""" start="00:18:57.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can, this is for some situations,""" start="00:19:00.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not currently because it's just later,""" start="00:19:03.600" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a bit too dark. But this is for light""" start="00:19:06.420" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""days. I have like 3 or 4 themes that I can""" start="00:19:10.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch to these are the themes that I""" start="00:19:15.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""normally use This is how the tab line looks.""" start="00:19:18.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how the tab line here looks with the""" start="00:19:22.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a flat button style.""" start="00:19:28.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks great, Thank you for sharing.""" start="00:19:35.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're welcome.""" start="00:19:37.200" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I think we have 2 or 3 more minutes.""" start="00:19:50.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if folks, if you have any final questions""" start="00:19:53.600" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Pedro, please post them in.""" start="00:19:55.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Okay.""" start="00:20:37.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:20:54.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No further questions. Yeah,""" start="00:21:34.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it seems we don't have any further questions.""" start="00:21:36.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just another audience member also thanking""" start="00:21:39.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you on the chat. So with that,""" start="00:21:44.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll say Thank you very much,""" start="00:21:45.320" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pedro, for your great talk and for the Q&A,""" start="00:21:47.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your work and for helping spreading the""" start="00:21:50.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""joy of Emacs. Okay, thanks.""" start="00:21:52.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Bye-bye. It was a nice experience""" start="00:21:56.140" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. Very nice tool. Cheers.""" start="00:21:59.200" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Awesome. Take care. Bye.""" start="00:22:01.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye. Bye.""" start="00:22:02.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/flat-nav.md b/2023/info/flat-nav.md index 41a7cdee..a3ff71bc 100644 --- a/2023/info/flat-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/flat-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/gc">emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/world">GNU Emacs: A World of Possibilities</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsen">The Emacsen family, the design of an Emacs and the importance of Lisp</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/gc-after.md b/2023/info/gc-after.md index 7bb9e043..f4eef3e2 100644 --- a/2023/info/gc-after.md +++ b/2023/info/gc-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,604 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [yantar92@posteo.net](mailto:yantar92@posteo.net?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20gc%3A%20emacs-gc-stats%3A%20Does%20garbage%20collection%20actually%20slow%20down%20Emacs%3F) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="gc-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone, my name is Ihor Radchenko,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you may know me from Org Mailing List.""" start="00:00:04.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, today I'm not going to talk about Org Mode.""" start="00:00:07.600" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today I'm going to talk about""" start="00:00:09.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs performance and how it's affected""" start="00:00:11.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by its memory management code.""" start="00:00:14.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I will introduce the basic concepts""" start="00:00:19.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs memory management and what garbage collection is.""" start="00:00:21.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will show you user statistics""" start="00:00:26.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collected from volunteer users over the last half year""" start="00:00:30.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will end with some guidelines""" start="00:00:34.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how to tweak Emacs garbage collection customizations""" start="00:00:39.320" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to optimize Emacs performance""" start="00:00:44.720" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when it's necessary or not to do.""" start="00:00:47.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""About garbage collection in Emacs""" start="00:00:51.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's begin. What is garbage collection?""" start="00:00:51.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To understand what is garbage collection,""" start="00:00:54.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to realize that anything you do in Emacs""" start="00:00:56.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is some kind of command. Any command is most likely""" start="00:00:59.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running some Elisp code. Every time you run Elisp code,""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you most likely need to locate certain memory in RAM.""" start="00:01:05.840" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some of this memory is retained for a long time""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some of this memory is transient.""" start="00:01:12.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, Emacs has to clear this transient memory""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from time to time, to not occupy all the possible RAM""" start="00:01:19.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the computer. In this small example,""" start="00:01:21.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have one global variable""" start="00:01:21.448" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is assigned a value,""" start="00:01:28.640" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when assigning the value,""" start="00:01:31.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we first allocate a temporary variable""" start="00:01:33.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then a temporary list""" start="00:01:35.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and only retain some part of this list""" start="00:01:37.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this global variable.""" start="00:01:40.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In terms of memory graph""" start="00:01:42.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can represent this as two variable slots,""" start="00:01:44.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one transient, one permanent,""" start="00:01:50.360" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then a list of three cons cells,""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of which is retained as a global variable""" start="00:01:56.200" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but part of it which is a temporary variable symbol.""" start="00:02:01.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first term of the list is not used""" start="00:02:05.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it might be cleared at some point.""" start="00:02:07.680" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Garbage collection in Emacs""" start="00:02:09.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So that's what Emacs does.""" start="00:02:09.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every now and then, Emacs goes through all the memory""" start="00:02:12.240" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and identifies which part of the memory are not used""" start="00:02:15.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then clear them so that it can free up the RAM.""" start="00:02:19.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This process is called garbage collection""" start="00:02:23.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs uses a very simple and old algorithm""" start="00:02:25.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is called Mark & Sweep.""" start="00:02:28.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So doing this mark and sweep process""" start="00:02:30.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is basically two stages.""" start="00:02:33.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, Emacs scans all the memory that is allocated""" start="00:02:34.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then identifies which memory is still in use""" start="00:02:40.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is linked to some variables, for example,""" start="00:02:42.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and which memory is not used anymore""" start="00:02:45.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it was allocated in the past.""" start="00:02:47.600" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second stage [??] whenever a memory is not,""" start="00:02:49.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is not allocated. 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There are many many suggestions""" start="00:04:41.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about what to do with it.""" start="00:04:46.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most frequently, you see `gc-cons-threshold`""" start="00:04:48.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recommended to be increased,""" start="00:04:54.080" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a number of pre-packaged Emacs distributions""" start="00:04:56.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Doom Emacs do increase it.""" start="00:05:01.440" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have seen suggestions which are actually horrible""" start="00:05:04.320" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to disable garbage collection temporarily""" start="00:05:07.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or for a long time.""" start="00:05:10.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is nice... You can see it quite frequently,""" start="00:05:14.360" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which indicates there might be some problem.""" start="00:05:17.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, every time one user poses about this problem,""" start="00:05:19.400" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just one data point and it doesn't mean""" start="00:05:23.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that everyone actually suffers from it.""" start="00:05:26.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't mean that everyone should do it.""" start="00:05:28.880" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in order to understand if this garbage collection""" start="00:05:33.720" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is really a problem which is a common problem""" start="00:05:35.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we do need some kind of statistics""" start="00:05:39.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and only using the actual statistics""" start="00:05:44.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can understand if it should be recommended for everyone""" start="00:05:46.920" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to tweak the defaults or like whether""" start="00:05:52.760" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should be recommended for certain users""" start="00:05:55.000" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe it should be asked Emacs devs""" start="00:05:57.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do something about the defaults.""" start="00:05:59.480" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I did some time ago is exactly this.""" start="00:06:01.560" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tried to collect the user statistics.""" start="00:06:07.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I wrote a small package on Elp""" start="00:06:09.960" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some users installed this package""" start="00:06:14.520" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then reported back these statistics""" start="00:06:18.160" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the garbage collection for their particular use.""" start="00:06:22.120" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By now we have obtained 129 user submissions""" start="00:06:24.280" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with over 1 million GC records in there.""" start="00:06:30.800" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like some of these submissions""" start="00:06:34.040" video="mainVideo-gc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Please e-mail [yantar92@posteo.net](mailto:yantar92@posteo.net?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gc%3A%20emacs-gc-stats%3A%20Does%20garbage%20collection%20actually%20slow%20down%20Emacs%3F) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/gc-before.md b/2023/info/gc-before.md index 4b1ecdba..8167b2a4 100644 --- a/2023/info/gc-before.md +++ b/2023/info/gc-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference and Etherpad - for longer/late questions, it is better to use public mailing list emacs-gc-stats@gnu.org Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 34-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-gc"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-gc--emacsgcstats-does-garbage-collection-actually-slow-down-emacs--ihor-radchenko--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-gc--emacsgcstats-does-garbage-collection-actually-slow-down-emacs--ihor-radchenko--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/gc-nav.md b/2023/info/gc-nav.md index 5b60d7ad..59675d1e 100644 --- a/2023/info/gc-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/gc-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/lspocaml">Writing a language server in OCaml for Emacs, fun, and profit</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsen">The Emacsen family, the design of an Emacs and the importance of Lisp</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hyperdrive">hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/hn-before.md b/2023/info/hn-before.md index f1f6f49a..2700a0ea 100644 --- a/2023/info/hn-before.md +++ b/2023/info/hn-before.md @@ -1,8 +1,14 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> + +The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sun 2023-12-03. 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timezones:</div><div class="times" start="2023-12-03T20:00:00Z" end="2023-12-03T20:00:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~3:00 PM - 3:00 PM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~2:00 PM - 2:00 PM CST (US/Central)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~1:00 PM - 1:00 PM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~12:00 PM - 12:00 PM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~8:00 PM - 8:00 PM UTC <br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~9:00 PM - 9:00 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~10:00 PM - 10:00 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~1:30 AM - 1:30 AM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~4:00 AM - 4:00 AM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~5:00 AM - 5:00 AM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><a href="/2023/watch/gen/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></div> diff --git a/2023/info/hn-nav.md b/2023/info/hn-nav.md index 5ba03aeb..72fa004e 100644 --- a/2023/info/hn-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/hn-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/mentor">Mentoring VS-Coders as an Emacsian (or How to show not tell people about the wonders of Emacs)</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web</a> +Previous by time: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> +Next by time: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web</a> Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md b/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md index ef11968b..044bc930 100644 --- a/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md +++ b/2023/info/hyperamp-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1350 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [rsw@gnu.org](mailto:rsw@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20hyperamp%3A%20Top%2010%20ways%20Hyperbole%20amps%20up%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="hyperamp-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 5 seconds. Oh, actually,""" start="00:00:01.719" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sorry, I keep delaying.""" start="00:00:07.279" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I keep forgetting that we have an""" start="00:00:08.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""introduction now. The introduction is flying.""" start="00:00:09.559" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: a little more. You're going to give a""" start="00:00:02.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, it's about 5 seconds now.""" start="00:00:22.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 30-second, right? Just say go when you want""" start="00:00:19.675" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure. You'll hear me anyway.""" start="00:00:29.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: me to go. Okay.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, I think we are live now.""" start="00:00:33.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:35.220" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I promised you we would be back in about 30""" start="00:00:36.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seconds. I lied, it was actually 1 minute,""" start="00:00:37.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are here with Bob.""" start="00:00:40.160" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bob, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:41.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Hi, doing great. Glad to""" start="00:00:43.380" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: be with you. Yeah, glad to be here,""" start="00:00:46.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so are we. We're glad to have you again""" start="00:00:50.600" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this year. So what we're going to do,""" start="00:00:52.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're not going to waste any time right now""" start="00:00:54.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with chit-chats. What we're going to do,""" start="00:00:56.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to move straight into your""" start="00:00:57.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation, Bob, so that you have as much""" start="00:00:59.059" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time as you can. 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People,""" start="00:34:25.679" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you wanna join the Big Blue Button room,""" start="00:34:26.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the links are available and open on the talk""" start="00:34:28.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""page. You can join and ask as many questions""" start="00:34:30.239" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you want to Bob. 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And we'll be moving on to the""" start="00:34:45.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk in about 10 seconds.""" start="00:34:47.699" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See you in a bit. All right,""" start="00:34:49.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bob, we are off air I think now.""" start="00:34:53.800" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much. I need to get moving for""" start="00:34:56.139" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, is somebody gonna keep writing answers""" start="00:34:59.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in here or I need to type them in?""" start="00:35:02.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: the next talk. 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Bye.""" start="00:39:53.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Should I leave BBB? Oh Alpha Papa's here.""" start="00:40:00.620" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hey. Good to see you. Alright,""" start="00:40:07.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well... Well, I'll stay for another minute,""" start="00:40:16.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think I'm going to go off video 2 and""" start="00:40:22.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start listening to another talk.""" start="00:40:27.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks, everyone. Thanks everyone.""" start="00:40:30.660" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I can hear you. 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Send,""" start="00:45:02.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're here, send a chat message.""" start="00:45:04.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because it's been something.""" start="00:45:08.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have, apparently, whenever we leave those""" start="00:45:10.640" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BBB chat room open, the moment we go off air,""" start="00:45:14.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people start joining and asking a lot of very""" start="00:45:18.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting questions and you know that's all""" start="00:45:20.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and good, we'll be able to put them on""" start="00:45:22.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the page later on. 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But there is a default""" start="01:02:20.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""configuration that handles all the typical""" start="01:02:23.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use cases and you can just load it up and run""" start="01:02:26.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's made to use,""" start="01:02:30.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't have to hack it to make it useful""" start="01:02:32.840" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you.""" start="01:02:36.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, it reminds me of the discussion we had""" start="01:02:37.900" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Stéphane yesterday about sane defaults.""" start="01:02:40.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think the question was,""" start="01:02:43.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs should probably ship with sane defaults""" start="01:02:46.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for people. And Stéphane's answer was,""" start="01:02:49.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, my sane defaults might not be the same""" start="01:02:51.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing as your sane defaults.""" start="01:02:53.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's why I think it's important,""" start="01:02:55.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really, to have a core set of features,""" start="01:02:57.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be it with hyperbole of org mode,""" start="01:02:59.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is well-documented,""" start="01:03:01.360" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you mentioned. But what I like about this""" start="01:03:02.880" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a way, and I think hyperbole is perhaps""" start="01:03:05.460" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking more benefits of this than Org Mode,""" start="01:03:07.260" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that the self-documentation aspect of it""" start="01:03:09.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feels like it's easier with hyperbole because""" start="01:03:12.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're not bound by Org Mode buffers.""" start="01:03:14.540" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can link to just about everything.""" start="01:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for me, this ability to self-document is,""" start="01:03:19.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, first, very true to the philosophy of""" start="01:03:24.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs in the first place,""" start="01:03:26.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also opens up those resonance cycles""" start="01:03:27.500" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where, oh, you get interested and then you""" start="01:03:32.020" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start reading up and then the documentation""" start="01:03:34.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is so good that it feeds into your practice""" start="01:03:35.820" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it goes nuclear and you gain so much""" start="01:03:38.320" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knowledge as a result of this.""" start="01:03:41.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, Bob, we are about out of time.""" start="01:03:42.620" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We only have about 1 minute until we go to""" start="01:03:44.480" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next talk. Do you have any passing words?""" start="01:03:46.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I do. I think, you know,""" start="01:03:50.180" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the world's complex, it's getting more""" start="01:03:54.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""complex. I think that's why people use Emacs""" start="01:03:57.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the first place, because it's a big""" start="01:04:00.520" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system. You wouldn't use it unless you wanted""" start="01:04:02.560" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it to simplify your life.""" start="01:04:04.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole is built with the same idea in""" start="01:04:07.580" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mind. You may not get it just like Lisp.""" start="01:04:10.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of people don't understand when they""" start="01:04:13.740" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first encounter it, but when they do""" start="01:04:15.720" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understand it, they're blown away.""" start="01:04:17.420" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It changes their life.""" start="01:04:19.960" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, when you really understand implicit""" start="01:04:22.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""buttons, I think that's 1 of the things in""" start="01:04:25.120" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole that can change your Emacs working""" start="01:04:28.100" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""life. So just give that a try and I think""" start="01:04:30.860" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll be pleasantly surprised across time.""" start="01:04:34.080" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: you so much Bob. We'll be moving on to the""" start="01:04:39.220" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk in about 20 seconds so everyone see""" start="01:04:40.920" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you in a bit and Bob thank you so much again.""" start="01:04:42.980" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thanks very much. And thank Thank you.""" start="01:04:37.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right I think we are off here now.""" start="01:04:51.140" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much, Bob.""" start="01:04:53.040" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to need to step out and get ready""" start="01:04:53.940" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, do your thing. You do a great job at""" start="01:04:56.609" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. But I wanted to ask you where in London""" start="01:04:59.240" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for the next talk. I'm not in London,""" start="01:04:55.440" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm in France, and I just moved to London.""" start="01:05:05.280" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: you are. Oh, okay, got it.""" start="01:05:01.760" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, I thought you were.""" start="01:05:11.200" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care.""" start="01:05:13.000" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, bye-bye, Bob.""" start="01:05:14.340" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks a lot. Bye-bye.""" start="01:05:15.060" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye-bye.""" start="01:05:15.750" video="mainVideo-hyperamp" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md b/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md index 7d209b79..f72e2832 100644 --- a/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/hyperamp-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/devel">Emacs development updates</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/core">Emacs core development: how it works</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/koutline">Using Koutline for stream of thought journaling</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md index 925590e7..f93b30c5 100644 --- a/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1310 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [joseph@ushin.org](mailto:joseph@ushin.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20hyperdrive%3A%20hyperdrive.el%3A%20Peer-to-peer%20filesystem%20in%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="hyperdrive-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Joseph Turner.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk is about hyperdrive.el,""" start="00:00:02.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""peer-to-peer file system in Emacs.""" start="00:00:05.107" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrive is a JavaScript library""" start="00:00:09.100" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developed by the Holepunch team""" start="00:00:11.480" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for sharing files on a peer-to-peer network.""" start="00:00:13.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's released under the Apache 2.0 license.""" start="00:00:16.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hyperdrives introduction""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Here's how it works.""" start="00:00:19.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To participate as a peer, you run a node,""" start="00:00:21.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lightweight local server that allows you""" start="00:00:24.581" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to connect with other nodes on the network.""" start="00:00:27.281" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can create a hyperdrive or multiple hyperdrives,""" start="00:00:29.960" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can author files within them.""" start="00:00:33.123" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each hyperdrive is automatically assigned""" start="00:00:36.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a globally unique link""" start="00:00:38.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that starts with `hyper://`.""" start="00:00:40.906" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you share that link with someone,""" start="00:00:44.580" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they have access to your hyperdrive.""" start="00:00:47.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyone who has that link can load the hyperdrive""" start="00:00:49.160" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the network and view its content.""" start="00:00:52.820" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you load a Hyperdrive file from the network,""" start="00:00:56.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your node caches that data locally""" start="00:00:59.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and automatically begins seeding it""" start="00:01:02.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back to the network,""" start="00:01:04.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it available for others to download from you.""" start="00:01:05.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are single writer.""" start="00:01:12.620" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you create a new drive,""" start="00:01:14.520" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are the only one who can make changes to it.""" start="00:01:16.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Others can view it""" start="00:01:19.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can seed it back to the network,""" start="00:01:21.267" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you're the only one who can modify it.""" start="00:01:23.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are offline first.""" start="00:01:27.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you load data from the network,""" start="00:01:29.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's stored locally on your machine""" start="00:01:33.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for you to view later,""" start="00:01:34.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even when you're disconnected from other peers.""" start="00:01:36.180" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also create new drives""" start="00:01:38.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and modify your drives when you're offline,""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then share those changes""" start="00:01:43.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once you connect with peers later.""" start="00:01:45.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are local first.""" start="00:01:47.920" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you are connected with""" start="00:01:50.300" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other peers on a local area network,""" start="00:01:52.400" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even if none of the peers involved""" start="00:01:54.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are connected to the broader Internet,""" start="00:01:56.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can still share files.""" start="00:01:58.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are sparsely replicated.""" start="00:02:02.060" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that you can download individual files""" start="00:02:04.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a hyperdrive without having to download""" start="00:02:07.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the whole thing.""" start="00:02:10.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This saves on disk space and also allows you""" start="00:02:11.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to quickly load just the files""" start="00:02:15.471" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're interested in.""" start="00:02:17.233" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are mutable.""" start="00:02:20.540" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can add files, change files,""" start="00:02:22.467" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""remove files from a hyperdrive.""" start="00:02:25.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when peers load your drive""" start="00:02:28.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the very same link,""" start="00:02:30.667" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they will be able to load""" start="00:02:32.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the latest changes that you've published.""" start="00:02:34.025" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrives are versioned.""" start="00:02:37.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that when you make changes to a file,""" start="00:02:39.460" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the previous versions of those files are not lost.""" start="00:02:42.429" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Peers can load the old versions of a file""" start="00:02:46.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was changed or deleted, for example,""" start="00:02:49.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simply by specifying the version number""" start="00:02:52.440" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the hyperdrive when the file still existed""" start="00:02:55.067" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or existed in a previous state.""" start="00:02:58.167" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""About USHIN and the contributors""" start="00:03:04.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'm presenting this talk on behalf of USHIN.""" start="00:03:04.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""USHIN is a tiny nonprofit whose mission is to""" start="00:03:07.380" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""promote personal, community and global health""" start="00:03:10.680" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through free and open universal shared information""" start="00:03:14.032" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for everybody.""" start="00:03:17.367" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""USHIN was founded in the early 90s""" start="00:03:19.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by Paula Maas, Steve Nash and others""" start="00:03:21.551" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the goal of creating""" start="00:03:24.860" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a distributed health information network""" start="00:03:26.400" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would allow people to find, share, compare""" start="00:03:29.131" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and deliberate health information""" start="00:03:33.429" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a variety of sources.""" start="00:03:35.667" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since then, the scope of the project has broadened""" start="00:03:37.780" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to include all kinds of information.""" start="00:03:40.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in recent years, we've been focusing on""" start="00:03:43.260" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""building with peer-to-peer software.""" start="00:03:45.780" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""About three years ago,""" start="00:03:49.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we started working with Mauve Signweaver,""" start="00:03:50.534" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who has since then been our steadfast""" start="00:03:52.634" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""peer-to-peer explorer and guide.""" start="00:03:54.767" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year, we started working on""" start="00:03:58.260" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this hyperdrive.el Emacs package,""" start="00:04:00.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Adam has been the powerhouse""" start="00:04:02.800" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the Emacs Lisp development.""" start="00:04:05.060" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""About a month ago,""" start="00:04:08.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jonas Bernoulli started joining with us,""" start="00:04:08.967" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he has been offering his expertise""" start="00:04:11.100" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the realm of user interface design""" start="00:04:14.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using his Transient library.""" start="00:04:15.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Protesilaos Stavrou has been not only valuable""" start="00:04:18.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of user design and feedback,""" start="00:04:22.140" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but he created a wonderful""" start="00:04:25.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basic introduction to Hyperdrive. Take a look.""" start="00:04:27.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Basic introduction to Hyperdrive""" start="00:04:32.646" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Prot]: Hello everyone!""" start="00:04:32.646" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Protesilaos, also known as Prot.""" start="00:04:33.586" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this video, I want to show you""" start="00:04:36.366" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the basics of hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:04:37.806" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a package for Emacs that lets us connect to""" start="00:04:40.746" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Hyperdrive peer-to-peer network.""" start="00:04:44.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can browse existing drives on the network,""" start="00:04:47.833" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaning existing file systems,""" start="00:04:51.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or create and maintain our own hyperdrive,""" start="00:04:53.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to which we can add, remove or edit files.""" start="00:04:59.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will see this together.""" start="00:05:03.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I have here in front of me is a basic""" start="00:05:05.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use-package declaration for hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:05:08.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All I am doing is binding `hyperdrive-menu`""" start="00:05:12.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a key and also activating""" start="00:05:16.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the menu bar entry of hyperdrive.""" start="00:05:19.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me show you very quickly, `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:05:23.613" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is the sort of interface that it brings up.""" start="00:05:26.813" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will take a closer look at it.""" start="00:05:31.293" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As for the menu bar,""" start="00:05:33.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have `hyperdrive-menu` over here,""" start="00:05:35.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we will take a look at this as well.""" start="00:05:41.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Suffice to say that""" start="00:05:44.193" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can get the same functionality""" start="00:05:45.693" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the menu bar or with `hyperdrive-menu`,""" start="00:05:48.273" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as by calling the commands directly""" start="00:05:51.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with `M-x` or their respective key bindings.""" start="00:05:55.893" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I won't cover everything in that regard,""" start="00:06:00.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but please bear this fact in mind.""" start="00:06:02.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Managing files with Hyperdrive.el""" start="00:06:06.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's start then with what I have here""" start="00:06:06.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this other tab, which is a set of files.""" start="00:06:09.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have prepared in my local file system - 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And I am here.""" start="00:07:56.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is an empty drive apart from""" start="00:08:00.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my credentials over here.""" start="00:08:04.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is nothing more really to see.""" start="00:08:06.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I want to do is""" start="00:08:10.113" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start adding files to this drive.""" start="00:08:12.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me use the menu bar for this.""" start="00:08:15.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will hover over to the menu bar,""" start="00:08:18.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will find the "Hyperdrive" submenu.""" start="00:08:21.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will go find where the drives are.""" start="00:08:24.773" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see that there are writable drives,""" start="00:08:27.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaning drives that I manage,""" start="00:08:30.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and read-only drives, meaning drives of other users.""" start="00:08:32.813" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, USHIN is read-only, of course,""" start="00:08:37.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Protesilaos is writable.""" start="00:08:40.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what I want to do is upload a file to Protesilaos.""" start="00:08:42.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it prompts me in the Minibuffer for a file.""" start="00:08:48.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will just add the README.""" start="00:08:52.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is asking me, "Where do you want to add it?"""" start="00:08:55.293" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in square brackets, the default is to add it""" start="00:08:58.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the root directory of the hyperdrive.""" start="00:09:00.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will just type `RET` to select the default.""" start="00:09:03.813" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there it is. It is already in the drive.""" start="00:09:07.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me add the COPYING file as well,""" start="00:09:11.393" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the same method.""" start="00:09:14.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will go find my drive. "Upload File."""" start="00:09:16.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's add the COPYING.""" start="00:09:21.393" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also want to add it to the root directory.""" start="00:09:23.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So already I have two files.""" start="00:09:29.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is looking good.""" start="00:09:30.633" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I am opening the file inside of hyperdrive.""" start="00:09:31.953" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not the same file""" start="00:09:37.014" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I have in my local directory.""" start="00:09:39.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I can do here, for 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what I did is""" start="00:10:05.893" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I copied a link to this hyperdrive file.""" start="00:10:07.413" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in this other file over here,""" start="00:10:11.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to say "Free/libre."""" start="00:10:15.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I am editing my hyperdrive terms:""" start="00:10:22.153" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Check the," and I will paste the link here,""" start="00:10:27.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""for how to use my files."""" start="00:10:35.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we check what is here,""" start="00:10:40.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you will see that this is a 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video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will save this.""" start="00:11:11.953" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now what I want to do is,""" start="00:11:13.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to invoke `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:11:16.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you will see now the menu, unlike earlier,""" start="00:11:20.493" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has more commands, more stuff we can do with it.""" start="00:11:23.153" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, I can type `w` to copy a URL.""" start="00:11:27.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And by typing `w`, you will notice...""" start="00:11:31.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to the `*scratch*` buffer to 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`hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:11:58.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you will notice that there are options""" start="00:11:59.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to download the file, for example.""" start="00:12:02.380" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you are reading somebody else's file,""" start="00:12:05.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can download it to your own file system.""" start="00:12:07.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me do that. "Download."""" start="00:12:10.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is asking me, "Where do you want to save this?"""" start="00:12:12.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For now, I will save it in the `/tmp/`, like this.""" start="00:12:14.753" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's call it test.org.""" start="00:12:20.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, `/tmp/test.org`.""" start="00:12:23.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go and visit `test.org`.""" start="00:12:25.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there it is.""" start="00:12:29.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It downloaded it just like that.""" start="00:12:30.280" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how you can, for example,""" start="00:12:32.653" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download the pictures and videos""" start="00:12:35.373" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I will eventually share on my hyperdrive.""" start="00:12:38.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's invoke `hyperdrive-menu` again.""" start="00:12:42.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's go up to the parent, you see,""" start="00:12:44.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the caret (`^`) sign.""" start="00:12:48.053" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will take me to the parent directory,""" start="00:12:50.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this case, the root directory of my hyperdrive.""" start="00:12:53.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Dired like interface""" start="00:12:56.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let me do it a bit differently.""" start="00:12:56.573" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The same idea, a bit differently.""" start="00:12:58.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For those of you who are familiar with""" start="00:13:00.193" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dired and the `dired-jump` command,""" start="00:13:02.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Dired is the standard file manager of Emacs.""" start="00:13:05.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And `dired-jump` is a command that lets you jump""" start="00:13:08.753" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the current file""" start="00:13:13.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the directory that contains that file.""" start="00:13:14.593" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see, I am here.""" start="00:13:18.653" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The `dired-jump` command, by default,""" start="00:13:20.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is bound to Ctrl-x, Ctrl-j (`C-x C-j`).""" start="00:13:22.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I do `C-x C-j`, in this case,""" start="00:13:25.233" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it invokes a command.""" start="00:13:29.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the name of it, `hyperdrive-up`,""" start="00:13:30.773" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is functionally equivalent to `dired-jump`.""" start="00:13:33.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does the same thing, meaning that it took me""" start="00:13:37.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the parent directory of this file.""" start="00:13:41.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is very helpful.""" start="00:13:45.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This listing over here, in general,""" start="00:13:48.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tries to mimic or to reuse""" start="00:13:50.693" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the knowledge you already have of Dired.""" start="00:13:55.273" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you type `o`,""" start="00:13:58.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will open the file at point in the other window,""" start="00:14:01.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same as in Dired.""" start="00:14:05.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whereas if you type `RET`,""" start="00:14:07.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would open it in the current window.""" start="00:14:08.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, same as what you will do in Dired.""" start="00:14:11.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see over here.""" start="00:14:16.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have options to jump with `j`,""" start="00:14:18.014" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is using Minibuffer completion to go to a file.""" start="00:14:21.643" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, I only have two files,""" start="00:14:26.233" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the idea is the same.""" start="00:14:28.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's, again, what you would do in Dired""" start="00:14:32.100" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you type `j` with the default key bindings, though,""" start="00:14:34.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not with Evil mode or something else.""" start="00:14:37.333" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see again what we have over here.""" start="00:14:40.293" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can create a bookmark, and this will work,""" start="00:14:42.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but no need to show you everything.""" start="00:14:45.934" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea is that you create a bookmark""" start="00:14:48.554" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the way you create any Emacs bookmark,""" start="00:14:50.694" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a file, to a directory.""" start="00:14:53.214" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't matter.""" start="00:14:54.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you can jump to it,""" start="00:14:55.994" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the way bookmarks in Emacs always work.""" start="00:14:57.734" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""History in hyperdrive""" start="00:15:01.234" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What I want to show you now""" start="00:15:01.234" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little bit is the history.""" start="00:15:02.893" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""History in Hyperdrive""" start="00:15:06.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has to do with the drive itself.""" start="00:15:09.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Meaning that individual files""" start="00:15:11.434" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do not have their own history,""" start="00:15:13.614" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the drive as such has a history.""" start="00:15:15.314" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever you add a file, you remove a file,""" start="00:15:18.674" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you edit a file, you are incrementing""" start="00:15:22.014" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the versioning of the hyperdrive by one.""" start="00:15:25.673" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So each action corresponds to one unit of history.""" start="00:15:29.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you add a file, remove a file, and edit a file,""" start="00:15:34.574" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this means that you are up three versions.""" start="00:15:37.833" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So whatever your version number is, plus three.""" start="00:15:40.993" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am on version 24* over here. [* latest, not version 24]""" start="00:15:44.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to this file now,""" start="00:15:48.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me do `V h`""" start="00:15:55.933" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see a history of it.""" start="00:15:59.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You will notice that between versions 23 and 24,""" start="00:16:02.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this file was constant.""" start="00:16:07.553" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in version 25, we have a change.""" start="00:16:09.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you are in this buffer over here,""" start="00:16:12.633" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can type the equals sign (`=`),""" start="00:16:14.353" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a key binding that will bring up the diff.""" start="00:16:17.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the set of changes between""" start="00:16:22.373" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the previous version and the current version.""" start="00:16:24.473" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see here, between versions 23 and 25,""" start="00:16:27.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have this addition.""" start="00:16:32.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is wonderful because now""" start="00:16:35.093" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can always go and check""" start="00:16:38.373" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is the state of this file.""" start="00:16:41.173" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What is this person up to?""" start="00:16:42.413" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What have they been changing?""" start="00:16:43.853" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And with Hyperdrive, you can also visit…""" start="00:16:46.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me go to the parent here.""" start="00:16:50.793" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can always visit a previous history.""" start="00:16:58.514" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, I will go to the previous history,""" start="00:17:02.413" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let me see this file again""" start="00:17:06.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in its previous history.""" start="00:17:08.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am looking at the file,""" start="00:17:09.554" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but notice that the file now is not editable""" start="00:17:11.094" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because this is in the past.""" start="00:17:15.154" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cannot rewrite history.""" start="00:17:17.354" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can only go to the present and then modify it""" start="00:17:19.314" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then create a new history, a new version.""" start="00:17:23.414" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this helps me see the state of the file""" start="00:17:27.214" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at that version of the hyperdrive.""" start="00:17:31.214" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the basic idea of it, folks.""" start="00:17:35.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Use case of sharing large files""" start="00:17:39.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What I want to do then is""" start="00:17:39.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue with my process here.""" start="00:17:42.234" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me actually do it like this so that you can see.""" start="00:17:46.254" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Continue with the process of""" start="00:17:51.973" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""publishing all those files""" start="00:17:54.374" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have on my hyperdrive.""" start="00:17:56.494" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, this is a picture of a flower""" start="00:17:59.754" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have taken.""" start="00:18:02.854" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's very nice.""" start="00:18:04.114" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is a video of an eagle""" start="00:18:05.734" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was flying above me.""" start="00:18:08.033" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will share this on the Hyperdrive network.""" start="00:18:09.594" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From the network, by the way,""" start="00:18:13.774" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can also stream video as well.""" start="00:18:15.733" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is described in the hyperdrive.el manual,""" start="00:18:18.453" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I cannot show you everything right now.""" start="00:18:20.694" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you get the idea.""" start="00:18:24.253" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The gist is, you have a file system""" start="00:18:26.513" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can share with the world""" start="00:18:29.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using peer-to-peer technology.""" start="00:18:31.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for me, this is a powerful tool.""" start="00:18:34.133" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a valuable proposition""" start="00:18:38.520" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I can share these large files I have,""" start="00:18:41.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these pictures or videos,""" start="00:18:45.013" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I cannot post on my website""" start="00:18:47.433" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to bandwidth considerations.""" start="00:18:49.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this way, I can still share with the world""" start="00:18:52.713" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that I consider interesting.""" start="00:18:55.593" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for today, folks.""" start="00:18:59.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you very much for your attention.""" start="00:19:00.213" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Remember that hyperdrive.el is still in development""" start="00:19:01.894" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things may change.""" start="00:19:05.514" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the fundamentals are in place""" start="00:19:07.394" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will remain constant.""" start="00:19:10.313" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for today. Take care. Goodbye.""" start="00:19:13.073" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Joseph]: Thank you, Prot.""" start="00:19:19.461" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Drive creation with hyperdrive.el""" start="00:19:20.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another fundamental feature of hyperdrive.el""" start="00:19:20.913" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is drive creation.""" start="00:19:23.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first step, as always,""" start="00:19:26.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to make sure that the gateway is running.""" start="00:19:28.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open up `hyperdrive-menu` with `C-c h`.""" start="00:19:30.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, my key presses,""" start="00:19:35.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the commands that they run,""" start="00:19:36.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be seen at the top right of my screen.""" start="00:19:38.699" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Down here, I see that the gateway is off.""" start="00:19:42.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll start it with `G s`.""" start="00:19:44.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, it takes a few moments""" start="00:19:49.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the gateway to spin up.""" start="00:19:50.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to refresh the menu,""" start="00:19:52.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will close it and open it again.""" start="00:19:54.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we see that the gateway is on.""" start="00:19:58.399" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `N` to create a new drive.""" start="00:20:01.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it's prompting me for a new hyperdrive seed.""" start="00:20:05.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A seed is a string of characters""" start="00:20:09.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will be used to generate,""" start="00:20:12.939" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in tandem with my secret master key,""" start="00:20:14.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a new public key that will globally,""" start="00:20:18.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uniquely identify this drive.""" start="00:20:21.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll type in "emacsconf".""" start="00:20:24.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And after a moment,""" start="00:20:31.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see the newly created, empty drive.""" start="00:20:32.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open up `hyperdrive-menu` once more.""" start="00:20:36.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll press `h` to open the sub-menu that shows""" start="00:20:40.099" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more information about this hyperdrive,""" start="00:20:43.799" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as commands related to this drive.""" start="00:20:45.979" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In blue here, we see the seed that I just entered""" start="00:20:50.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the public key that it generated.""" start="00:20:54.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also see that the petname""" start="00:21:00.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also set to emacsconf.""" start="00:21:02.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The petname is different from the seed.""" start="00:21:06.540" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The petname is my personal, local identifier""" start="00:21:09.039" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for this drive.""" start="00:21:13.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can change it whenever I want.""" start="00:21:14.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And while it's not a secret,""" start="00:21:16.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not displayed to other users.""" start="00:21:19.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will leave it for now.""" start="00:21:23.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""emacsconf" is fine.""" start="00:21:26.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when I go to share this drive,""" start="00:21:28.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll want to display something more memorable""" start="00:21:30.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than this long public key.""" start="00:21:34.159" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's what the nickname is for.""" start="00:21:36.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll change that by pressing `n`,""" start="00:21:39.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll type in "Emacs Conference".""" start="00:21:42.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, when other peers load this hyperdrive""" start="00:21:48.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by its URL, which I can copy by pressing `w`,""" start="00:21:51.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they will see the nickname""" start="00:21:57.059" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in addition to the public key.""" start="00:21:59.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if hyperdrive.el is like a phone book,""" start="00:22:02.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the public keys are akin to phone numbers,""" start="00:22:05.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the nickname is like the name that your contacts""" start="00:22:09.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""give you when they introduce themselves,""" start="00:22:13.939" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the petname is the name""" start="00:22:16.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you actually write down in your phone book.""" start="00:22:18.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show you what nicknames and petnames look like""" start="00:22:22.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for drives that are not writable to me.""" start="00:22:25.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `C-g` to close this submenu,""" start="00:22:29.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now I'm back at the main menu.""" start="00:22:32.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `C-u h` to choose a hyperdrive,""" start="00:22:34.639" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll look at Prot's hyperdrive here.""" start="00:22:39.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we see that the nickname""" start="00:22:44.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Prot's hyperdrive is "Protesilaos".""" start="00:22:46.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, it's grayed out,""" start="00:22:49.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means that I can't change it.""" start="00:22:50.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't change it because it's not my hyperdrive.""" start="00:22:53.239" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I can change the petname if I want it""" start="00:22:56.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to show up under a different name.""" start="00:22:58.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll press `p`,""" start="00:23:00.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll type in "Prot", and hit Enter.""" start="00:23:02.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'll open his hyperdrive by pressing `f`.""" start="00:23:06.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'll pick a path, I'll just hit `RET`""" start="00:23:11.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to open the root directory.""" start="00:23:13.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now, when Prot's hyperdrive shows up,""" start="00:23:16.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the screen,""" start="00:23:19.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see that it's identified with the petname "Prot."""" start="00:23:20.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""hyperdrive-mirror""" start="00:23:26.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now I'll show off `hyperdrive-mirror`.""" start="00:23:26.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`hyperdrive-mirror` is like `hyperdrive-upload-file`,""" start="00:23:28.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except that it allows you to upload""" start="00:23:32.159" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an entire directory full of files recursively.""" start="00:23:33.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For this example, I will upload""" start="00:23:37.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contents of the emacsconf-mirror directory.""" start="00:23:40.039" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First step is to open the menu. I'll press H,""" start="00:23:44.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I will choose the emacsconf drive.""" start="00:23:48.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the bottom here, we see the Mirror group.""" start="00:23:53.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first option that I can change""" start="00:23:57.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the source directory.""" start="00:23:59.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The source directory is the directory on my local""" start="00:24:01.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine from which files will be uploaded.""" start="00:24:04.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, the source directory""" start="00:24:08.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is set to the current directory of the main buffer.""" start="00:24:11.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is good for now, so I'll leave it.""" start="00:24:17.060" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The target directory is the directory""" start="00:24:19.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the hyperdrive where the files will end up.""" start="00:24:22.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, it's the root directory,""" start="00:24:25.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for this example,""" start="00:24:28.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll put these files in a subdirectory called notes.""" start="00:24:30.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The filter is the rule that allows you""" start="00:24:36.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to programmatically determine which files""" start="00:24:40.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the local directory will be uploaded""" start="00:24:43.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the hyperdrive, and which ones won't.""" start="00:24:46.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, all files are mirrored, but in this case,""" start="00:24:50.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say that I want to upload only the Org files,""" start="00:24:54.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these first three, and I want to exclude""" start="00:24:58.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the markdown file, solar-oven-notes.md.""" start="00:25:01.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll press `m f`, and I will choose""" start="00:25:05.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the regular expression string option.""" start="00:25:10.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I wanted to, I could choose a named function""" start="00:25:13.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a lambda, but I won't demo that here.""" start="00:25:16.279" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll type in `org$`, which will match against""" start="00:25:22.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the files that end with "org."""" start="00:25:26.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The filter is here, and I'll leave confirmation on.""" start="00:25:31.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The confirmation step just allows me to review""" start="00:25:35.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the list of files that are going to be uploaded""" start="00:25:39.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the drive before it happens.""" start="00:25:42.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll press `m m` to mirror them, and I see here""" start="00:25:45.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that these three files are going to be uploaded.""" start="00:25:52.879" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks good. I'll press `C-c C-c` to confirm the mirror.""" start="00:25:58.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it says three files have been uploaded,""" start="00:26:05.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and here they are in the drive.""" start="00:26:07.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Good, so now I will modify the""" start="00:26:11.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fermented-overnight-oats file in the hyperdrive.""" start="00:26:15.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've loaded it, and I'll add here:""" start="00:26:19.939" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""or other grains - cook them in advance if you want to,"""" start="00:26:24.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll save it.""" start="00:26:31.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now this file, fermented-overnight-oats.org,""" start="00:26:33.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been modified on the hyperdrive""" start="00:26:37.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more recently than on the file system.""" start="00:26:40.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The file system file has not been modified.""" start="00:26:44.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll go back to my local directory,""" start="00:26:48.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll modify a different file.""" start="00:26:53.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, I'll add another hoedown""" start="00:26:56.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the fiddle-tunes.org file.""" start="00:27:00.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Tom and Jerry." That's a good hoedown.""" start="00:27:04.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I'll mirror again.""" start="00:27:09.619" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open the menu, and I'll press `h`,""" start="00:27:14.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I'll open up the emacsconf demo drive.""" start="00:27:16.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I've also decided that""" start="00:27:20.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to include the solar-oven-notes.md file.""" start="00:27:22.959" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll remove the filter""" start="00:27:26.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it's no longer excluded.""" start="00:27:28.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll leave the rest of the settings the same,""" start="00:27:32.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll press `m m` again.""" start="00:27:34.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we see that the""" start="00:27:38.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`*hyperdrive-mirror*` buffer looks different.""" start="00:27:40.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, there are two main groups.""" start="00:27:43.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the files that are going to be uploaded,""" start="00:27:47.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and these are the files that are ignored.""" start="00:27:49.986" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're not going to be uploaded.""" start="00:27:52.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first subgroup is the files that are new locally.""" start="00:27:56.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the solar-oven-notes.md file is new on my machine,""" start="00:28:00.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it doesn't exist in the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:04.899" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the mirror command is going to take that file""" start="00:28:07.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add it to the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:10.039" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This group contains the files that are newer locally.""" start="00:28:13.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the fiddle-tunes.org file""" start="00:28:17.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been modified on my local machine,""" start="00:28:19.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it hasn't been modified on the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:23.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `hyperdrive-mirror` is going to take the""" start="00:28:26.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""updated version and put it on the hyperdrive.""" start="00:28:28.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, the first group that's going to be ignored""" start="00:28:33.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are the files that are older locally.""" start="00:28:35.959" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the fermented oats file has been modified""" start="00:28:39.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the hyperdrive more recently""" start="00:28:42.979" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than on my local file system.""" start="00:28:45.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `hyperdrive-mirror` isn't going to overwrite""" start="00:28:47.539" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the version of the file in my hyperdrive""" start="00:28:51.059" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the older local version.""" start="00:28:53.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And finally, the emacsconf-preparation.org file""" start="00:28:57.279" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hasn't been modified on either the hyperdrive""" start="00:29:00.779" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or my local file system,""" start="00:29:05.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the timestamp is identical.""" start="00:29:07.439" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `hyperdrive-mirror` is going to""" start="00:29:09.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ignore this file as well.""" start="00:29:11.279" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only two files that are going""" start="00:29:13.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be uploaded now are the solar-oven-notes.md file""" start="00:29:15.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the fiddle-tunes.org file.""" start="00:29:19.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll confirm that with `C-c C-c`.""" start="00:29:21.639" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now in my hyperdrive""" start="00:29:25.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that there are four files.""" start="00:29:26.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The solar-oven-notes.md file has been uploaded,""" start="00:29:28.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if I open the fiddle-tunes.org file,""" start="00:29:31.679" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we see that it now contains the line "Tom and Jerry,"""" start="00:29:35.519" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means that it was updated based on""" start="00:29:39.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the change to the file on my local file system.""" start="00:29:41.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This `hyperdrive-mirror` command is the command""" start="00:29:47.099" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we use to periodically update""" start="00:29:50.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the USHIN hyperdrive with""" start="00:29:54.139" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contents of the USHIN website.""" start="00:29:56.599" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's going to be a link to the USHIN hyperdrive""" start="00:30:00.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the website at the end of the video.""" start="00:30:03.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""hyperdrive history""" start="00:30:06.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now I'll go into a little more detail""" start="00:30:06.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the Hyperdrive history buffer""" start="00:30:09.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by showing off the README file in Prot's hyperdrive.""" start="00:30:11.219" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `C-c h` to open the menu,""" start="00:30:15.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-u h` to be prompted for a drive.""" start="00:30:19.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll select Prot's drive,""" start="00:30:22.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'll press `f` to jump to a file""" start="00:30:24.239" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of Prot's drive,""" start="00:30:26.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then `RET` to go to the root directory.""" start="00:30:28.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From here, I'll press `j` to jump to""" start="00:30:32.399" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an item in his directory.""" start="00:30:35.339" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `RET` on the README to load it.""" start="00:30:37.299" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then finally, I'll open up""" start="00:30:42.379" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`C-c h` to look at the menu.""" start="00:30:44.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I see that I'm looking at""" start="00:30:49.579" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the latest version of Prot's README.org file.""" start="00:30:50.979" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also see that the previous version""" start="00:30:56.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of README.org is unknown.""" start="00:30:58.739" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's unknown because hyperdrives""" start="00:31:02.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are sparsely replicated.""" start="00:31:05.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that when my node loaded this""" start="00:31:07.819" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""README.org file, it didn't bother""" start="00:31:09.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to load anything else.""" start="00:31:12.359" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It didn't load the previous history""" start="00:31:13.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any other file in his drive.""" start="00:31:16.059" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But now that I want to check out whether""" start="00:31:18.659" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is a previous version, I'll press `V p`.""" start="00:31:20.759" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when it loads, I see in the mode line down here""" start="00:31:26.199" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm now looking at version 25 of this drive.""" start="00:31:28.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that I'm looking at the README.org file""" start="00:31:33.319" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at version 25 of this drive.""" start="00:31:36.499" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll open the menu again, and I see""" start="00:31:39.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the same version number is displayed here.""" start="00:31:42.019" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The previous version, before version 25,""" start="00:31:47.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also unknown because we haven't bothered""" start="00:31:50.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to load anything before version 25.""" start="00:31:53.559" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also see that the next version, after version 25,""" start="00:31:56.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the latest version.""" start="00:32:00.479" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll open that up by pressing `V n`.""" start="00:32:02.419" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we are back where we started,""" start="00:32:06.719" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the latest version.""" start="00:32:10.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But now we see that the previous version,""" start="00:32:12.919" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the version before the latest version, is version 25.""" start="00:32:15.079" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because now that our node has loaded the previous version,""" start="00:32:18.999" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can display that information to us.""" start="00:32:24.300" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From here, I'll open up the history buffer.""" start="00:32:28.620" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll press `V h`.""" start="00:32:31.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can see that there are two known existent""" start="00:32:35.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ranges in Prot's README.org history.""" start="00:32:40.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This means that the latest version of README.org""" start="00:32:46.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was modified at version 39.""" start="00:32:50.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that Prot made four changes""" start="00:32:54.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to other files in his hyperdrive""" start="00:32:57.480" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""besides the README.org file since then.""" start="00:33:00.320" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before that, the time that Prot modified""" start="00:33:04.280" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the README.org file was at version 25.""" start="00:33:08.660" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then he made 13 other changes to other files""" start="00:33:11.840" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside of this drive.""" start="00:33:15.200" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Before that, we don't know.""" start="00:33:18.580" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We haven't loaded the history.""" start="00:33:20.259" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But since we're curious,""" start="00:33:21.859" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll hit `RET` on the unknown line.""" start="00:33:23.179" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we see that in Prot's hyperdrive,""" start="00:33:27.920" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the README.org file didn't exist""" start="00:33:32.140" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the first 22 revisions of his drive.""" start="00:33:34.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then Prot created it at version 23.""" start="00:33:39.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then again, at 25, made a change.""" start="00:33:43.780" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then made another change at 39.""" start="00:33:46.920" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For good measure, I'll show you the diffs.""" start="00:33:50.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first diff just contains the entire file""" start="00:33:54.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the file didn't exist before version 23.""" start="00:33:58.180" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then, at version 25, Prot added a link""" start="00:34:05.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the COPYING.org file.""" start="00:34:08.620" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, at 39,""" start="00:34:13.119" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Prot changed the link to his own hyperdrive""" start="00:34:14.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be a relative link.""" start="00:34:17.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Streaming video from hyperdrive""" start="00:34:20.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now, I'll stream a video from the USHIN hyperdrive""" start="00:34:20.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that shows off a prototype interface we created""" start="00:34:24.300" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for exploring networks of sources of information.""" start="00:34:27.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll open up `hyperdrive-menu`.""" start="00:34:31.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press `C-u h` to be prompted for a drive.""" start="00:34:33.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll select the USHIN drive.""" start="00:34:37.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press `f` to jump to a file in it.""" start="00:34:39.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I'll jump to the media directory.""" start="00:34:41.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once it loads, I'll press `RET` on the video""" start="00:34:46.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I want to stream.""" start="00:34:50.180" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Voice from the video]: This is a demonstration""" start="00:34:54.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the subjective trust interface""" start="00:34:56.686" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the USHIN team built for the u4u.io web app.""" start="00:34:57.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Joseph]: There it is.""" start="00:35:02.500" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Streaming a video from Hyperdrive.""" start="00:35:04.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""hyperdrive.el under the hood""" start="00:35:08.746" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Here's how hyperdrive.el works under the hood.""" start="00:35:08.746" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses plz [Please],""" start="00:35:13.027" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the HTTP library that Adam Porter wrote,""" start="00:35:14.727" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send requests via curl to hyper-gateway.""" start="00:35:18.080" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyper-gateway is a program that Mauve Signweaver wrote,""" start="00:35:22.720" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which runs a hyperdrive node under the hood.""" start="00:35:26.580" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also runs a local HTTP server,""" start="00:35:30.760" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which accepts requests to control the node.""" start="00:35:34.040" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if hyperdrive.el wants to show a file""" start="00:35:38.460" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from someone's hyperdrive,""" start="00:35:43.480" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it sends the appropriate link via curl""" start="00:35:45.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a GET request to hyper-gateway.""" start="00:35:49.120" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyper-gateway then fetches the data from the network""" start="00:35:52.960" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and returns it via curl,""" start="00:35:57.240" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via plz, back to hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:35:59.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If hyper-gateway already has a locally cached copy,""" start="00:36:03.940" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't bother checking the network.""" start="00:36:07.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just sends it straight away.""" start="00:36:09.240" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Likewise, if hyperdrive.el wants to add a file""" start="00:36:12.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to a hyperdrive, it sends a PUT request.""" start="00:36:15.880" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyper-gateway is not installed as part of hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:36:20.200" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It needs to be installed""" start="00:36:24.980" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a separate, executable program.""" start="00:36:26.660" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have plans to switch from using hyper-gateway""" start="00:36:35.740" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to another program that Mauve Signweaver""" start="00:36:39.460" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is working on, called hyper-sdk-rpc.""" start="00:36:42.459" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyper-sdk-rpc will give us more fine-grained control""" start="00:36:47.839" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the underlying Hyperdrive node,""" start="00:36:52.020" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will open up some new features.""" start="00:36:54.700" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, we'll be able to rename files atomically,""" start="00:36:56.820" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""diff directories between versions,""" start="00:37:00.900" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and list the peers that we're currently connected to.""" start="00:37:03.420" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are some of the Emacs libraries""" start="00:37:11.220" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that hyperdrive.el depends on.""" start="00:37:13.360" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrive.el uses plz to send HTTP requests""" start="00:37:17.540" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hyper-gateway. Check it out.""" start="00:37:22.400" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's on GNU ELPA.""" start="00:37:25.699" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ewoc.el is a built-in library that's documented""" start="00:37:28.560" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Emacs Lisp manual under the rather cryptic""" start="00:37:33.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""heading "Abstract Display Functions."""" start="00:37:37.340" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really, what it does is it allows you""" start="00:37:41.600" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to map a data model to some display.""" start="00:37:44.520" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What we do with it in hyperdrive.el is,""" start="00:37:50.000" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the directory view, we map directory entry items,""" start="00:37:53.860" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files and directories, to display items.""" start="00:38:02.049" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And ewoc.el makes it easy to update the display""" start="00:38:04.240" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever the underlying data changes.""" start="00:38:08.701" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrive.el uses persist.el to store""" start="00:38:14.761" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperdrive metadata about known hyperdrives""" start="00:38:21.280" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as version history between sessions,""" start="00:38:25.640" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the data is cached""" start="00:38:29.481" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you log out and log back in.""" start="00:38:32.121" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're going to be developing a program in Emacs""" start="00:38:34.961" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs 29 or later,""" start="00:38:38.721" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I recommend looking at multisession.el,""" start="00:38:41.961" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's built-in, and it has some features""" start="00:38:44.941" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that persist.el doesn't have.""" start="00:38:50.161" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Next steps""" start="00:38:57.541" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Thank you for listening to this talk.""" start="00:38:57.541" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you get a chance to try out hyperdrive.el.""" start="00:39:00.001" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is a link to the hyperdrive.el manual""" start="00:39:03.681" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the USHIN hyperdrive.""" start="00:39:08.621" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you go to paste this link in,""" start="00:39:11.561" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll need to combine it back into one line.""" start="00:39:14.981" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This link is available in the hyperdrive.el manual,""" start="00:39:18.921" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is available from within a browser,""" start="00:39:22.501" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at this link on the USHIN website.""" start="00:39:26.661" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also have a public conference room that you can join.""" start="00:39:29.821" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an XMPP multi-user chat""" start="00:39:32.961" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the Sopranica team graciously makes available""" start="00:39:35.521" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for us to use.""" start="00:39:39.781" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also a Matrix bridge,""" start="00:39:41.621" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if that's more your cup of tea.""" start="00:39:43.901" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to the EmacsConf organizers.""" start="00:39:48.660" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a pleasure to participate,""" start="00:39:52.821" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I look forward to hearing the rest of the talks.""" start="00:39:55.161" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have a good day.""" start="00:39:57.614" video="mainVideo-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="hyperdrive-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess we are now live.""" start="00:00:12.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Joseph, thanks for being here.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for talking to the hyperdrive.""" start="00:00:16.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We already had some, or we 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I have heard of it,""" start="00:23:01.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't really researched it.""" start="00:23:03.620" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you edit a file on the hyperdrive,""" start="00:23:09.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then edit the same file on the local mirror,""" start="00:23:12.400" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how is the conflict handled when you sync the""" start="00:23:15.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mirror again? 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Adam, Alpha Papa,""" start="00:25:08.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Adam and I have been doing a lot of pair""" start="00:25:11.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming sessions where we work together""" start="00:25:12.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I get to learn from him.""" start="00:25:15.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we've had meetings with Jonas and Prat""" start="00:25:19.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and meetings with Mauve where it's a""" start="00:25:23.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fantastic learning experience for me to""" start="00:25:25.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discover how to build software in an""" start="00:25:30.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""efficient and intelligent way.""" start="00:25:32.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a huge pleasure. If there are no more""" start="00:25:40.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, I just wanted to encourage""" start="00:25:43.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone to try it out and to let us know""" start="00:25:48.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you think. 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Wonderful.""" start="00:26:16.420" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Who's that? Oh, hey. Well,""" start="00:26:19.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to say goodbye.""" start="00:26:34.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. And thank you for your questions,""" start="00:26:37.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I know that""" start="00:26:39.680" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: PlasmaStrike. I've met you before.""" start="00:26:40.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate your questions,""" start="00:26:42.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your thoughts.""" start="00:26:42.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, by the way, Joseph,""" start="00:26:50.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have our, our first,""" start="00:26:53.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if our first new user,""" start="00:26:55.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we have the first link being shared,""" start="00:26:57.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hyperdrive file in the chat and I loaded""" start="00:27:01.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it and it works. And it's funny too.""" start="00:27:03.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's worth looking at.""" start="00:27:03.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So. Oh, I think it's frozen.""" start="00:27:09.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if anybody can hear me.""" start="00:27:11.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can.""" start="00:27:12.720" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Okay, cool. The browser is frozen.""" start="00:27:15.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's it's not, okay. Just unfroze.""" start="00:27:19.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway. All right. Well,""" start="00:27:21.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, I enjoyed your talks about""" start="00:27:24.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole. I'm going to rewatch those later""" start="00:27:26.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I get a chance. It was nice to meet you,""" start="00:27:28.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too. Bob is a really great guy to work with.""" start="00:27:31.100" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Definitely a lot of interesting people.""" start="00:27:38.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I owe him 1. Yes, sir.""" start="00:27:40.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, you have a good day,""" start="00:27:41.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Will do, I like the insistence on local""" start="00:27:45.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first. Feels like it's a good dovetail with""" start="00:27:48.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hyper core""" start="00:27:49.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: enjoy the conference. Yeah,""" start="00:27:51.180" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I think there's a lot of a lot of""" start="00:27:54.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting possibilities to build on this we""" start="00:27:57.980" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have some plans that we Will get to you later""" start="00:28:01.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this well in the coming year And we'll see""" start="00:28:05.600" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the hyperdrive people,""" start="00:28:07.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, upstream how they develop it as""" start="00:28:09.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and yeah, so exciting times.""" start="00:28:14.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [joseph@ushin.org](mailto:joseph@ushin.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20hyperdrive%3A%20hyperdrive.el%3A%20Peer-to-peer%20filesystem%20in%20Emacs) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md index da687e0f..f5b9cca5 100644 --- a/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,35 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +Actually a general-audience talk; just on the development track for scheduling purposes + [[!toc ]] -Format: 40-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 41-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + +# Talk +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-hyperdrive"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-hyperdrive" data=""" +00:19.840 Hyperdrives introduction +03:04.600 About USHIN and the contributors +04:32.646 Basic introduction to Hyperdrive +06:06.133 Managing files with Hyperdrive.el +12:56.573 Dired like interface +15:01.234 History in hyperdrive +17:39.973 Use case of sharing large files +19:20.913 Drive creation with hyperdrive.el +23:26.199 hyperdrive-mirror +30:06.819 hyperdrive history +34:20.880 Streaming video from hyperdrive +35:08.746 hyperdrive.el under the hood +38:57.541 Next steps +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 40:03 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-hyperdrive">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=c241079bd42ae794ee15bbe2b1d3f3670e4247a8-1701629401873">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm (996kB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.opus">Download --main.opus (18MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--main.webm">Download --main.webm (149MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/9wLA55XACiGnS3nNBNwsV5">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOA9rs5qteU">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Q&A +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-hyperdrive"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-hyperdrive-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 28:15 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-hyperdrive">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=c241079bd42ae794ee15bbe2b1d3f3670e4247a8-1701629401873">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.json">Download --answers.json (1.1MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (9MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-hyperdrive--hyperdriveel-peertopeer-filesystem-in-emacs--joseph-turner--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (48MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md index a72b3434..f8521281 100644 --- a/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/repl">REPLs in strange places: Lua, LaTeX, LPeg, LPegRex, TikZ</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/extending">GNU Emacs for electronics, note-taking, and as lightweight IDE</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/gc">emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/lspocaml">Writing a language server in OCaml for Emacs, fun, and profit</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/koutline-after.md b/2023/info/koutline-after.md index ec584404..ea86bfa9 100644 --- a/2023/info/koutline-after.md +++ b/2023/info/koutline-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,127 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [plasmastrike@voiddragon.me](mailto:plasmastrike@voiddragon.me?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20koutline%3A%20Using%20Koutline%20for%20stream%20of%20thought%20journaling) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="koutline-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Today I will share a nice workflow I have""" start="00:00:03.340" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developed for stream of consciousness""" start="00:00:04.400" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling. The goal of stream of""" start="00:00:06.560" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consciousness journaling is to get your""" start="00:00:08.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thoughts on the screen as effectively and""" start="00:00:09.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""efficiently as possible.""" start="00:00:10.679" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These 2 features when combined reinforce each""" start="00:00:12.780" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other and let you hear yourself think in a""" start="00:00:14.860" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very efficient manner,""" start="00:00:15.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""increasing the number,""" start="00:00:17.220" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quality, and types of thoughts you can get""" start="00:00:18.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of it. The tools I will be using for this""" start="00:00:21.100" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are Emacs, KL line from the Hyperbolt""" start="00:00:22.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package, centered cursor mode,""" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Olivetti mode, and optionally,""" start="00:00:25.119" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""voice to text. Additionally,""" start="00:00:26.820" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see my commands and key bindings on""" start="00:00:28.939" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the right. 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Please e-mail [ahyatt@gmail.com](mailto:ahyatt@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20llm%3A%20LLM%20clients%20in%20Emacs%2C%20functionality%20and%20standardization) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="llm-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Intro to the Talk""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Andrew Hyatt and I'm going to talk to you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about large language models and how""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they relate to Emacs.""" start="00:00:06.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to talk to you about the technology""" start="00:00:11.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how we're going to use it in Emacs.""" start="00:00:14.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There'll be demos and there'll be talks about,""" start="00:00:18.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll finish up by kind of talking about where""" start="00:00:21.160" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this should go in the future.""" start="00:00:22.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What are LLMs?""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So to start off with, let's just talk like,""" start="00:00:25.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just want to make sure everyone's on the same page.""" start="00:00:28.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What are large language models?""" start="00:00:29.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not everyone may be caught up on this.""" start="00:00:30.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Large language models are a way... Basically,""" start="00:00:34.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the current versions of large language models""" start="00:00:39.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are all based on the similar architecture""" start="00:00:43.000" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called the transformer.""" start="00:00:44.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just an efficient way to train and produce output.""" start="00:00:45.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So these things are basically models""" start="00:00:48.720" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that predict the next word or something like that.""" start="00:00:51.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they're trained on an enormous corpus of information""" start="00:00:58.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they get extremely good""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at predicting the next word.""" start="00:01:04.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And from that basic ability, you can train""" start="00:01:06.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through further tuning from human input,""" start="00:01:09.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""human ratings and things like that.""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can train different models based on that""" start="00:01:13.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will do question answering.""" start="00:01:17.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is how basically ChatGPT works.""" start="00:01:18.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a base LLM, like GPT.""" start="00:01:22.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you have a chat version of that,""" start="00:01:25.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just trained to just... You give""" start="00:01:27.800" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it a prompt, like what do you want it to do?""" start="00:01:29.960" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it gives you an output that does what you told it to do,""" start="00:01:32.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least attempts to do it.""" start="00:01:37.280" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those are the power of large language models is""" start="00:01:39.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're extremely, extremely impressive.""" start="00:01:42.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Certainly this is, in AI,""" start="00:01:45.640" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this has been the biggest thing to happen""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably in my lifetime,""" start="00:01:49.080" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least my lifetime as my working lifetime.""" start="00:01:51.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Power of LLMs (Magit Demo)""" start="00:01:56.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let me give you a demonstration of""" start="00:01:56.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what kinds of stuff it could do in Emacs.""" start="00:02:02.560" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here I have a Emacs file.""" start="00:02:06.680" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is my Emacs init file.""" start="00:02:09.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a change.""" start="00:02:12.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's commit that change.""" start="00:02:13.600" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, you know, I don't like writing commit messages,""" start="00:02:16.880" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can generate it.""" start="00:02:19.440" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it did an actually just looking.""" start="00:02:23.040" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So all it does is it's looking, it's just reading the diff.""" start="00:02:27.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just feeding it the diff with some instructions.""" start="00:02:29.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it is this a incredible commit message?""" start="00:02:32.480" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not bad, actually.""" start="00:02:37.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see that it actually has really extracted""" 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start="00:03:22.520" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's super useful for""" start="00:03:24.200" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understanding something and outputting text based on that,""" start="00:03:27.760" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just useful for Emacs.""" start="00:03:30.320" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Drawbacks of LLMs (regex demo)""" start="00:03:32.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So the drawback is, yeah, it's good,""" start="00:03:32.240" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's not that reliable.""" start="00:03:39.920" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you'd think it's very easy to get caught up in like,""" start="00:03:43.360" video="mainVideo-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh my gosh, like this is 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It's kind of like,""" start="00:25:42.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, free software is great.""" start="00:25:43.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if free software is requiring that you""" start="00:25:46.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have these kind of beefy servers and have all""" start="00:25:50.460" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this hardware, that's not great.""" start="00:25:52.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's a case to be made.""" start="00:25:53.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: a hardware""" start="00:25:55.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: with slots instead of a laptop.""" start="00:25:59.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah, that's right.""" start="00:26:01.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Ideally, you can have Ideally,""" start="00:26:03.660" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be nice if FSL for all things could""" start="00:26:07.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run something for open source model.""" start="00:26:12.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And not free, but the key point is that it's""" start="00:26:16.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Libre?""" start="00:26:16.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yes, so actually I think Google does do that.""" start="00:26:22.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll have to look it up,""" start="00:26:24.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't explored this yet.""" start="00:26:27.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Google's server, which LLM does support,""" start="00:26:31.220" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supports arbitrary models.""" start="00:26:33.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can run LLMA or things like that.""" start="00:26:36.420" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The problem is that even if you're running""" start="00:26:38.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mistral, which has no restrictions.""" start="00:26:40.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the kind of thing that like the""" start="00:26:42.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Free Software Foundation cares a lot about.""" start="00:26:44.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like you want it to be like no restrictions,""" start="00:26:47.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""legal restrictions on you as you run the""" start="00:26:49.740" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""model. 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There's gonna be some license that you""" start="00:27:02.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to, or something you have to abide by.""" start="00:27:04.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think, yes, it depends on how much you""" start="00:27:08.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""care about it, I guess.""" start="00:27:09.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should find out more about that and make""" start="00:27:19.500" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure that it's a good point that I should,""" start="00:27:21.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, people should be able to run free""" start="00:27:23.980" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""models over the server.""" start="00:27:25.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I should make sure we support that in the""" start="00:27:28.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LLM package. So, is there any other questions""" start="00:27:40.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or is otherwise we can end the session.""" start="00:27:48.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, all right. Thank you.""" start="00:28:00.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Thank you everyone who listened.""" start="00:28:02.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm super happy like I,""" start="00:28:04.540" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the interest is great.""" start="00:28:06.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's great stuff to be done here""" start="00:28:08.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm kind of super excited what we're""" start="00:28:10.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to do in the next year,""" start="00:28:11.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so hopefully, like next year,""" start="00:28:13.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the conference we have something even""" start="00:28:14.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more exciting to say about LLM and how they""" start="00:28:16.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be used with Emacs.""" start="00:28:17.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank""" start="00:28:19.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:28:30.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ahyatt@gmail.com](mailto:ahyatt@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20llm%3A%20LLM%20clients%20in%20Emacs%2C%20functionality%20and%20standardization) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/llm-before.md b/2023/info/llm-before.md index 376dee32..5ec20c14 100644 --- a/2023/info/llm-before.md +++ b/2023/info/llm-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,33 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 21-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-llm"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-llm" data=""" +00:00.000 Intro to the Talk +00:25.080 What are LLMs? +01:56.360 Power of LLMs (Magit Demo) +03:32.240 Drawbacks of LLMs (regex demo) +05:20.120 Embeddings +07:32.800 Image Generation +08:48.480 Fine-tuning +11:08.160 Open Source +12:02.840 The Future +14:08.200 LLMs in Emacs - existing packages +18:15.960 Abstracting LLM challenges +19:04.080 Emacs is the ideal interface for LLMs +20:01.960 Outro + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 20:26 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-llm">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=1d02948a0834c0b349de5931bf9535b534b39d27-1701533045559">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.opus">Download --main.opus (12MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--main.webm">Download --main.webm (50MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/ck1LWXvRiAGNLWFA8s4Ymi">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN3Y75D4tEs">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-llm"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-llm--llm-clients-in-emacs-functionality-and-standardization--andrew-hyatt--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/llm-nav.md b/2023/info/llm-nav.md index 4cd3ad2f..92173270 100644 --- a/2023/info/llm-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/llm-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/voice">Improving access to AI-assisted literate programming with voice control</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/overlay">Improving compiler diagnostics with Overlays</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/voice">Enhancing productivity with voice computing</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/overlay">Improving compiler diagnostics with overlays</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md index 409fc04c..bc5bdc22 100644 --- a/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,755 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [austin@cutedogs.org](mailto:austin@cutedogs.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20lspocaml%3A%20Writing%20a%20language%20server%20in%20OCaml%20for%20Emacs%2C%20fun%2C%20and%20profit) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="lspocaml-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Austin Theriault,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is writing a language server in OCaml""" start="00:00:01.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs, fun, and profit.""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Real quick, who am I?""" start="00:00:07.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I'm a software engineer at Semgrep.""" start="00:00:08.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work on our editor integrations,""" start="00:00:10.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I love working on programming languages, editors,""" start="00:00:13.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and cryptography.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is Semgrep?""" start="00:00:16.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What is Semgrep?""" start="00:00:16.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're a small cybersecurity startup""" start="00:00:17.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose core product is a SaaS tool,""" start="00:00:20.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is static application security testing.""" start="00:00:21.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can think of it as like a security linter.""" start="00:00:24.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Normal linters will say, hey,""" start="00:00:27.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you wrote ugly code, fix it.""" start="00:00:30.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll say, hey, you wrote a SQL injection, fix that.""" start="00:00:31.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We support 30+ languages,""" start="00:00:35.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have lots of customers all using different IDEs.""" start="00:00:36.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why does that matter?""" start="00:00:39.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How do we show security bugs early?""" start="00:00:40.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Well, our goal is to show security bugs""" start="00:00:40.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as early as possible in the development cycle.""" start="00:00:42.780" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the industry, we call this shifting left.""" start="00:00:45.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so how far left can we shift? The editor.""" start="00:00:48.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's why it matters""" start="00:00:52.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that our customers have different editors.""" start="00:00:53.620" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our goal is to have Semgrep and the editor""" start="00:00:56.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""show up like other language tooling.""" start="00:00:58.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what I mean by that is I wrote some bad OCaml up here,""" start="00:01:01.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the editor gave me that red squiggly and said,""" start="00:01:05.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fix your OCaml, and we want Semgrep to do something similar.""" start="00:01:07.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so our goal then is to provide a similar experience""" start="00:01:12.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to normal language checking.""" start="00:01:15.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then since we're a small startup,""" start="00:01:16.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there's a ton of different IDEs that our customers use,""" start="00:01:19.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ideally, we don't want to have to rewrite a plugin""" start="00:01:22.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for every single type of editor out there.""" start="00:01:24.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our other goal is abstract away""" start="00:01:27.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing and language features for editors to one code base.""" start="00:01:29.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ideally, we write it once""" start="00:01:32.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then plug it into all of them.""" start="00:01:33.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how can we do that, though?""" start="00:01:35.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is the Language Server Protocol?""" start="00:01:37.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Well, in the process of working on this stuff,""" start="00:01:37.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found out about""" start="00:01:40.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Language Server Protocol.""" start="00:01:43.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what's great about the Language Server Protocol is""" start="00:01:44.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a specification that defines all the ways""" start="00:01:47.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that these language tools might interact""" start="00:01:50.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a development tool. And by development tool,""" start="00:01:52.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean like VS Code, Sublime, Emacs, any of those.""" start="00:01:56.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And by language tool, I mean something like PyRight, MyPy.""" start="00:02:01.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what's cool about LSP is that""" start="00:02:07.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can separate out those tools into language servers""" start="00:02:09.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the development tools into language clients.""" start="00:02:13.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And because they share this common specification,""" start="00:02:15.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they can now interact without knowing each other.""" start="00:02:18.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's this great abstraction that means""" start="00:02:20.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all you have to do is go write one language server""" start="00:02:22.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can hook it up to a bunch of language clients""" start="00:02:25.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll just work.""" start="00:02:27.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Case study: Rust Analyzer""" start="00:02:29.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's do a quick case study on language servers in LSP,""" start="00:02:29.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just so you get an idea of why this is super cool.""" start="00:02:34.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's this language server called Rust Analyzer.""" start="00:02:37.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a language server for the Rust language.""" start="00:02:40.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you've ever developed in Rust,""" start="00:02:42.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll know that takes a really long time to compile,""" start="00:02:44.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the compiler gives you fantastic feedback.""" start="00:02:46.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust has a lot of advanced language features,""" start="00:02:50.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that feedback is super important for developing.""" start="00:02:52.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so Rust Analyzer will give you that feedback instantly.""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a ton of things that it gives you.""" start="00:02:58.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Code completion, fixes, compiler errors, warnings,""" start="00:03:01.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""type signatures. Rust has a pretty strong type system.""" start="00:03:05.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has this thing called lifetimes.""" start="00:03:08.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A bunch of advanced language features in Rust Analyzer""" start="00:03:12.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps you manage all that""" start="00:03:15.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and gives you all that info""" start="00:03:16.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to wait for it to compile.""" start="00:03:17.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Developing with the Rust Analyzer""" start="00:03:19.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just orders of magnitude easier""" start="00:03:21.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than just trying to write Rust straight.""" start="00:03:24.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust Analyzer, fantastic. They went and they developed it,""" start="00:03:26.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now you can go use that in Emacs, NeoVim,""" start="00:03:30.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""VS Code, wherever.""" start="00:03:33.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can develop Rust in a way that's relatively efficient""" start="00:03:35.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to give up your favorite editor.""" start="00:03:39.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Rust Analyzer in action""" start="00:03:42.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So here's a quick little demo""" start="00:03:42.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of all the cool things it can do.""" start="00:03:44.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see I typed an error.""" start="00:03:46.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It tells me that I wrote an error.""" start="00:03:48.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the incorrect lifetime,""" start="00:03:50.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is some advanced language feature,""" start="00:03:52.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll let me know that.""" start="00:03:54.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I expanded a Rust macro just there,""" start="00:03:55.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is similar to Lisp macros,""" start="00:03:57.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I ran a single unit test,""" start="00:03:59.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's really cool because I ran a single unit test""" start="00:04:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from my editor.""" start="00:04:04.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't have to go and type any commands or anything.""" start="00:04:05.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just worked.""" start="00:04:07.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why is this useful?""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So why is this just useful in general for a user?""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, you get the same experience across editors.""" start="00:04:13.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I was saying, you don't have to give up""" start="00:04:15.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one editor for another""" start="00:04:17.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you get some sort of cool language feature.""" start="00:04:18.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can easily set up and use language servers""" start="00:04:21.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""made for other editors""" start="00:04:23.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if developers don't support your editor of choice.""" start="00:04:24.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Performance is not dependent on the editor.""" start="00:04:27.860" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's fantastic because to do all that Rust stuff,""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it takes a lot of CPU power,""" start="00:04:35.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so that's going to be slow""" start="00:04:37.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if your editor language is not great, not fast.""" start="00:04:40.500" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then bug fixes, updates, all that,""" start="00:04:43.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it all comes out at the same time.""" start="00:04:47.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then from the developer perspective, well,""" start="00:04:50.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding new editors is quick and easy.""" start="00:04:53.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For reference, when I wrote the Semgrep language server,""" start="00:04:55.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it took me maybe two or three weeks,""" start="00:04:58.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then actually going and setting it up for VS Code,""" start="00:05:00.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that took an hour. For Emacs, 30 minutes.""" start="00:05:04.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""IntelliJ, maybe another hour.""" start="00:05:06.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it took me a day to add support""" start="00:05:08.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for three different editors,""" start="00:05:10.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was I think something like 75% of the market share""" start="00:05:11.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something crazy like that.""" start="00:05:14.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So very quick. You only need one mental model.""" start="00:05:16.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have to figure out""" start="00:05:20.180" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all these different extension mental models,""" start="00:05:21.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how those editors work, anything like that.""" start="00:05:23.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And another thing that's cool is""" start="00:05:26.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you only have to write tests for the language server,""" start="00:05:28.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not necessarily for the editor.""" start="00:05:30.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great to have just one set of tests""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you have to pass.""" start="00:05:33.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""So what about Emacs?""" start="00:05:36.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So why does a language server protocol matter with Emacs?""" start="00:05:36.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, like I was saying before,""" start="00:05:40.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs gets the benefit from work put into other editors.""" start="00:05:42.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we get all this language support,""" start="00:05:45.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and no one actually has to go and write the list for it""" start="00:05:47.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or write those tools specific to Emacs.""" start="00:05:51.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You get the language tooling,""" start="00:05:53.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the CPU-intensive part of the editors.""" start="00:05:54.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be written in something else.""" start="00:05:56.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp is fast. It's not that fast.""" start="00:05:58.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Having that speed is fantastic. It's all asynchronous.""" start="00:06:01.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It won't slow down Emacs.""" start="00:06:04.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's this package called `lsp-mode`,""" start="00:06:06.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is an LSP client commonly included""" start="00:06:08.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in popular Emacs distributions.""" start="00:06:11.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a lot of people already have that.""" start="00:06:13.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're using Emacs 29 or greater, you have `eglot-mode`,""" start="00:06:15.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a lighter weight version of `lsp-mode`.""" start="00:06:18.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just another LSP client.""" start="00:06:21.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I wrote the Semgrep language server,""" start="00:06:24.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 29 hadn't come out yet.""" start="00:06:26.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to talk too much about `eglot-mode`""" start="00:06:28.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I did everything in `lsp-mode`,""" start="00:06:31.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I would imagine a lot of this stuff is very similar.""" start="00:06:33.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a list of some supported languages.""" start="00:06:37.780" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Technical part - Brief communication overview""" start="00:06:40.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now let's get into the technical part.""" start="00:06:40.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How does LSP actually work?""" start="00:06:42.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go over how it communicates first.""" start="00:06:45.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses JSONRPC,""" start="00:06:47.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just kind of like HTTP,""" start="00:06:49.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but instead of sending plain text, you're sending JSON.""" start="00:06:51.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's just sending JSON back and forth.""" start="00:06:54.620" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great because it's a way""" start="00:06:56.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for two programs to communicate""" start="00:06:58.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without sharing a common programming language.""" start="00:06:59.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Transport platform agnostic,""" start="00:07:02.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it could be stdin, stdout,""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sockets, whatever. It's just JSON.""" start="00:07:07.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can send it over whatever.""" start="00:07:09.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's two different types of messages,""" start="00:07:11.140" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a request, which requires a response from the other party,""" start="00:07:12.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a notification, which does not expect a response.""" start="00:07:15.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just a quick little example,""" start="00:07:19.260" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a user might open a document,""" start="00:07:21.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it'll send like a text document did open""" start="00:07:23.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what document it was to the language server,""" start="00:07:28.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they'll change it.""" start="00:07:30.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe they edit some code and introduce a syntax error.""" start="00:07:31.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The changes will be sent to the language server,""" start="00:07:35.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the language server will publish diagnostics,""" start="00:07:37.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is those red squigglies""" start="00:07:39.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was talking about earlier,""" start="00:07:41.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and say, hey, syntax error or whatever here,""" start="00:07:42.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe the user says,""" start="00:07:45.460" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to go to the definition of this function,""" start="00:07:46.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then the language server will spit back,""" start="00:07:49.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hey, this is where that function lives.""" start="00:07:51.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All very useful,""" start="00:07:53.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the communication is relatively simple,""" start="00:07:55.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is great.""" start="00:07:57.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Example request""" start="00:07:58.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This is what it looks like, what a request looks like.""" start="00:07:58.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notifications look somewhat similar.""" start="00:08:01.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""LSP capabilities""" start="00:08:03.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now we know how LSP communication works,""" start="00:08:03.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but how does the actual protocol work?""" start="00:08:05.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, almost all of the protocol is opt-in,""" start="00:08:09.860" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meaning you don't have to support the entire specification,""" start="00:08:12.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just pick and choose.""" start="00:08:15.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Servers and clients will then communicate""" start="00:08:17.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what part of the protocol they both support,""" start="00:08:19.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they'll both say, hey,""" start="00:08:21.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we support being notified when a user opens a document,""" start="00:08:22.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if they're looking for documentation.""" start="00:08:26.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so then once they agree upon what they'll both support,""" start="00:08:28.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then they'll send that stuff,""" start="00:08:33.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those notifications and requests back and forth.""" start="00:08:35.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Things like opening and closing files, diagnostics,""" start="00:08:38.580" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code completion, hovering over stuff, type signatures,""" start="00:08:41.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of that. And what's cool is""" start="00:08:46.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though the specification is huge""" start="00:08:48.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and probably has everything you need,""" start="00:08:50.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can go ahead and add custom capabilities""" start="00:08:52.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you really want to.""" start="00:08:54.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just define a custom method,""" start="00:08:55.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then now that works for you,""" start="00:08:57.980" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now you can have that in all your editors.""" start="00:09:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Rust Analyzer""" start="00:09:03.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has structural search and replace,""" start="00:09:04.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like find and replace,""" start="00:09:06.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with respect to the structure of the code.""" start="00:09:08.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you choose to go down this route""" start="00:09:11.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the custom capabilities,""" start="00:09:13.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you do have to remember you're going to have to""" start="00:09:15.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implement it in every client.""" start="00:09:16.660" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's a little bit more work,""" start="00:09:18.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's better than where we were without LSP.""" start="00:09:20.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tips on writing a LS""" start="00:09:23.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So some quick tips on writing a language server.""" start="00:09:23.380" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not going to get too into this""" start="00:09:25.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's very application-specific.""" start="00:09:27.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote Semgrep's in OCaml""" start="00:09:30.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since our code base was almost all OCaml already,""" start="00:09:32.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I wanted to leverage that.""" start="00:09:35.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Would not recommend""" start="00:09:36.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unless you also have a code base all in OCaml.""" start="00:09:38.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Structure is similar to a Rust server,""" start="00:09:41.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so a bunch of independent endpoints.""" start="00:09:43.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would do everything functionally if I were you.""" start="00:09:45.740" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is EmacsConf.""" start="00:09:48.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're all hopefully used to writing functional Lisp.""" start="00:09:49.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would recommend TypeScript or Rust, though,""" start="00:09:53.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on your level of performance""" start="00:09:56.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you really need or whatever language""" start="00:09:58.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're trying to support ideally.""" start="00:10:00.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most languages have""" start="00:10:02.255" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some sort of language server protocol already.""" start="00:10:03.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if they don't, then it might be easier""" start="00:10:06.500" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do it in that language.""" start="00:10:09.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TypeScript has a lot of support, a lot of documentation,""" start="00:10:10.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of examples out there""" start="00:10:12.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it was what Microsoft originally intended""" start="00:10:14.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the language server protocol to be for, for VS Code,""" start="00:10:17.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is written in TypeScript.""" start="00:10:20.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust is fast, it's going to take more effort,""" start="00:10:22.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's very fast, and Rust Analyzer has a great library""" start="00:10:24.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they use and that they support.""" start="00:10:28.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So support there, examples there are great.""" start="00:10:30.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The hard part is not really the language server protocol,""" start="00:10:32.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the actual logic. So, like, if you're doing, like,""" start="00:10:35.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language tooling, you're going to have to do""" start="00:10:39.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""analysis on the code, so you need to do parsing,""" start="00:10:40.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possibly compiling, all these different advanced features,""" start="00:10:42.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all these advanced different things.""" start="00:10:47.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Rust Analyzer will do incremental compilation,""" start="00:10:48.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is really, really cool,""" start="00:10:52.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's, like, a whole separate talk.""" start="00:10:54.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're adapting an existing language tool,""" start="00:10:58.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this stuff is really easy.""" start="00:11:00.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're basically just wiring stuff up.""" start="00:11:01.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Supporting a LS through LSP mode in Emacs""" start="00:11:03.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But, yeah. So, now we know all about""" start="00:11:03.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LSP and language servers.""" start="00:11:08.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say you want to actually""" start="00:11:10.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add support for a language server in Emacs.""" start="00:11:11.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you do that? Well, let's look at LSP mode,""" start="00:11:14.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because, like I said, this is what I'm most familiar with.""" start="00:11:19.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sure `eglot-mode` is pretty similar.""" start="00:11:21.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, `lsp-mode`'s repository is on GitHub,""" start="00:11:24.260" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like everything, and it has a ton of different clients""" start="00:11:27.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a ton of different languages and frameworks and tools,""" start="00:11:31.500" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Semgrep, and these are available""" start="00:11:34.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to anyone who installs LSP mode.""" start="00:11:37.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alternatively, you can make a separate package""" start="00:11:39.740" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just use LSP mode as a library,""" start="00:11:42.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm not going to focus on this,""" start="00:11:43.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's already a ton of resources out there""" start="00:11:45.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on packaging and Emacs.""" start="00:11:47.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, our steps, very quickly, are going to look like""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adding an Emacs Lisp file that contains some logic,""" start="00:11:54.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add an entry somewhere, so we added a new client""" start="00:11:58.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the list of clients, and then do some documentation,""" start="00:12:01.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because documentation's great.""" start="00:12:03.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Create a client""" start="00:12:06.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First, creating a client.""" start="00:12:06.000" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the `clients/` folder in `lsp-mode/`,""" start="00:12:07.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literally just add, like, `lsp-` whatever it is,""" start="00:12:09.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`require` the library, and register a client.""" start="00:12:12.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Registering a client just means, like,""" start="00:12:15.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying what kind of connection it is.""" start="00:12:18.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's most likely going to be standard I/O,""" start="00:12:19.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's pretty easy to implement,""" start="00:12:21.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you just pass it the executable""" start="00:12:24.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you actually want to run.""" start="00:12:26.840" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say what the activation function is,""" start="00:12:29.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is when the client should start,""" start="00:12:31.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can specify the language""" start="00:12:33.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the major mode or whatever,""" start="00:12:36.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now your client will start whenever that's triggered,""" start="00:12:38.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then finally provide just a server ID,""" start="00:12:43.100" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that way it's easy to keep track of,""" start="00:12:45.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then run this LSP consistency check function.""" start="00:12:48.580" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This just makes sure everything up there is good.""" start="00:12:52.760" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do more advanced stuff with making an LSP client""" start="00:12:56.580" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm not going to get into,""" start="00:12:59.520" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but just know that these aren't your only options,""" start="00:13:01.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then finally provide your client.""" start="00:13:03.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Add to list of client packages""" start="00:13:07.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next, you just have to add your client""" start="00:13:07.300" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the list of clients that `lsp-mode` supports,""" start="00:13:09.800" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now you've added support for a whole new language,""" start="00:13:12.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whole new framework, whole new tool to Emacs,""" start="00:13:15.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's taking you, what, like, what is that,""" start="00:13:17.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""20 lines of Lisp? No, not even, like, 15.""" start="00:13:20.220" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""15 lines of Lisp, whole new language for Emacs.""" start="00:13:23.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really exciting. Now that you have your client,""" start="00:13:26.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's do some documentation. Go fill out this, like, name,""" start="00:13:31.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the repository, the source code is,""" start="00:13:35.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because free software is great,""" start="00:13:37.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you should open source your stuff.""" start="00:13:39.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Specify the installation command.""" start="00:13:42.180" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's cool about this is""" start="00:13:44.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this can be run automatically from Emacs,""" start="00:13:45.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if it's, like, `pip install pyright`, right,""" start="00:13:48.060" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can put that there, and Emacs will ask you,""" start="00:13:50.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you want to install the language server,""" start="00:13:53.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can hit yes""" start="00:13:55.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and users will just have it installed for them,""" start="00:13:56.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can say whether or not it's a debugger.""" start="00:13:59.540" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is completely separate,""" start="00:14:01.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there's this thing called DAP,""" start="00:14:03.160" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the debugger adapter protocol,""" start="00:14:05.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's similar to LSP but for debuggers,""" start="00:14:07.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very cool,""" start="00:14:09.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Add documentation!""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""and then finally link to your documentation.""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please, please document your stuff.""" start="00:14:14.600" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Adding commands and custom capabilities""" start="00:14:17.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If you want to add, like, a custom Emacs function""" start="00:14:17.880" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or custom capabilities, it's super easy.""" start="00:14:20.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's literally just, like, calling a normal Emacs function.""" start="00:14:22.680" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Semgrep normally only scans files""" start="00:14:27.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you open them, but we added a Emacs function""" start="00:14:30.560" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will scan your entire project, right,""" start="00:14:34.200" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so that was just a client notification.""" start="00:14:36.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was just `lsp-notify` and then a custom method,""" start="00:14:40.960" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's great because now you can just scan your project""" start="00:14:44.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a simple Emacs function.""" start="00:14:46.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Requests, very similar to notifications.""" start="00:14:48.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You send it and then pass it a lambda""" start="00:14:52.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and do something with the result,""" start="00:14:56.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so that's adding custom capabilities.""" start="00:14:58.460" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thanks for listening""" start="00:15:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""That's pretty much it. Thank you for listening.""" start="00:15:01.360" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some resources here.""" start="00:15:04.320" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These links are clickable if you get the PDF,""" start="00:15:05.640" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you get the slides. Semgrep: we're hiring!""" start="00:15:08.240" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to work on, like,""" start="00:15:10.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming language theory stuff,""" start="00:15:12.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilers, parsers, editors,""" start="00:15:13.720" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""email me or go look at our jobs.""" start="00:15:18.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The LSP specification, this is, like, the holy Bible.""" start="00:15:22.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has all the specs, all the types, everything.""" start="00:15:25.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`lsp-mode` and the docs.""" start="00:15:28.340" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`lsp-mode`, right, that's where you want to add your client.""" start="00:15:30.420" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The docs are great, super useful.""" start="00:15:33.280" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust Analyzer is just a great reference""" start="00:15:36.100" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for language servers in general""" start="00:15:38.080" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to write one or if you just want to, like,""" start="00:15:39.920" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see how they work. It's all just really well done.""" start="00:15:42.120" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great code, very readable.""" start="00:15:45.400" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then down here is just a long video tutorial,""" start="00:15:47.040" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a longer video tutorial, not by me,""" start="00:15:50.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by someone else, on how to add a language client to Emacs,""" start="00:15:54.700" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but hopefully this is sufficient for y'all,""" start="00:15:58.440" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now it's time for some Q&A.""" start="00:16:01.480" video="mainVideo-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="lspocaml-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I would invite all on the,""" start="00:00:03.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are currently watching,""" start="00:00:04.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who have questions, put them into the pad""" start="00:00:06.819" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can ask them. I'm kind of monitoring""" start="00:00:08.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the IRC concurrently. So the first question""" start="00:00:16.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we have on the pad is concerning why you""" start="00:00:18.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have switched from OCaml.""" start="00:00:19.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe the person has missed it in the talk,""" start="00:00:22.420" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you've mentioned it.""" start="00:00:23.480" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why have you switched from OCaml to,""" start="00:00:25.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this case, I guess,""" start="00:00:25.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust?""" start="00:00:26.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I mentioned like with writing a""" start="00:00:30.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language server that I wrote mine for my""" start="00:00:34.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""company in OCaml But I wouldn't recommend it""" start="00:00:36.900" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in general unless like you're doing""" start="00:00:38.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something specific with OCaml And the reason""" start="00:00:41.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for that and I recommended Rust or like""" start="00:00:44.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TypeScript is like OCaml is great.""" start="00:00:45.780" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very performant but it's cross""" start="00:00:49.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilation story is not great.""" start="00:00:50.739" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like really hard to cross compile like""" start="00:00:54.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from 1 platform to another.""" start="00:00:55.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then like the ecosystem and its standard""" start="00:00:58.120" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""library is also not great.""" start="00:01:00.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And like Rust, its cross compilation is""" start="00:01:03.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Its ecosystem is great.""" start="00:01:05.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OCaml is great if you need to use it,""" start="00:01:08.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's just it's not ideal.""" start="00:01:10.880" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's just also no good examples of a""" start="00:01:14.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language server in OCaml.""" start="00:01:15.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the official like OCaml language""" start="00:01:19.119" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""server, But they use a ton of super advanced""" start="00:01:22.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language features, like module functors and a""" start="00:01:27.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bunch of other random stuff.""" start="00:01:28.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not really readable.""" start="00:01:29.479" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Rust, there's Rust analyzer,""" start="00:01:31.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is readable. In TypeScript,""" start="00:01:33.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's like a million different ones.""" start="00:01:34.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's less of a, not OCaml is like,""" start="00:01:39.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not that OCaml isn't great.""" start="00:01:40.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's more of a, these other languages would""" start="00:01:43.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably just be easier.""" start="00:01:44.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So.""" start="00:01:45.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess since the integration to,""" start="00:01:48.619" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, like NeoVim or some other""" start="00:01:50.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editors are just revenue fine because of the""" start="00:01:53.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sorry, can you say that again?""" start="00:01:56.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: LSP, I guess. The LSP,""" start="00:01:58.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a standard LSP specification that""" start="00:02:01.979" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're using. So you can also,""" start="00:02:03.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for instance, use it and other editors,""" start="00:02:04.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like for instance, new them or so.""" start="00:02:06.660" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah. Yeah. You can use it.""" start="00:02:08.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's most, most editors nowadays support it.""" start="00:02:11.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like obviously Emacs, NeoVim,""" start="00:02:13.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sublime, VS code, Intel,""" start="00:02:16.420" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the IntelliJ ones.""" start="00:02:17.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's, that's the fun part.""" start="00:02:21.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have to write 10 different""" start="00:02:23.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages to get a bunch of editor support.""" start="00:02:26.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Also experience writing it.""" start="00:02:30.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I didn't have really time to hear into""" start="00:02:33.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your talk. So I'm sorry if I ask you""" start="00:02:36.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions that you have already said.""" start="00:02:38.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How was the experience of writing an LSP?""" start="00:02:41.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So have you any knowledge beforehand or do""" start="00:02:44.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just read it all on yourself?""" start="00:02:45.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, there's not a ton of documentation,""" start="00:02:49.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what motivated me to do this talk.""" start="00:02:53.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, I just looked at the""" start="00:02:56.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specification, and I knew Rust Analyzer was""" start="00:02:58.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. And so I looked at Rust Analyzer,""" start="00:03:00.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I looked at PyRite.""" start="00:03:01.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I just went from there.""" start="00:03:04.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found out about all this because I already""" start="00:03:07.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Emacs, I already knew about it.""" start="00:03:10.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was like, this is going to be easier than""" start="00:03:12.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something else. So yeah,""" start="00:03:15.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's the experience is fine.""" start="00:03:17.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a lot of wiring stuff up.""" start="00:03:21.060" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not a lot of like hard thinking until""" start="00:03:24.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you get to like performance heavy stuff.""" start="00:03:26.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, so for some graph,""" start="00:03:27.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like we're doing a ton of like code parsing""" start="00:03:30.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and like analyzing. And so that's,""" start="00:03:32.980" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it takes up like a ton of processing power.""" start="00:03:35.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like for stuff like that,""" start="00:03:37.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like now you have to think about caching and""" start="00:03:39.620" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like ordering things. So that part's hard,""" start="00:03:43.980" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's more of a, like very much""" start="00:03:47.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""application specific thing.""" start="00:03:48.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. Anything in the IRC chat.""" start="00:03:58.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think not. 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Just to let you know,""" start="00:12:14.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have like 1 minute on the stream and then""" start="00:12:20.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll switch back and to the pre-recorded""" start="00:12:22.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuff I guess.""" start="00:12:24.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah yeah yeah let's hi sorry for the rude""" start="00:12:27.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interruption but I'm just doing a little bit""" start="00:12:29.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of time keeping so thank you so much Austin""" start="00:12:31.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sadly I wasn't able to follow the Q&A because""" start="00:12:34.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was in the other track answering questions.""" start="00:12:36.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If, Austin, you want to stay and answer some""" start="00:12:39.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more questions, feel free to do so.""" start="00:12:41.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People tend to start talking as soon as we go""" start="00:12:45.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""off air, And I wouldn't be surprised with LSP""" start="00:12:48.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people would do the same.""" start="00:12:49.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're gonna move on for this track.""" start="00:12:52.800" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're gonna move on in 20 seconds to the next""" start="00:12:54.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1. So Floey, thank you for hosting.""" start="00:12:56.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Austin, thank you for all your answers.""" start="00:12:58.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And We'll see you in a bit.""" start="00:13:01.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool. Thanks. See you.""" start="00:13:04.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thanks for the Q&A.""" start="00:13:06.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: All right. All right. You are now off air.""" start="00:13:10.120" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much, Austin.""" start="00:13:11.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to go back running in the""" start="00:13:13.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background. And thank you,""" start="00:13:13.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Flowey, for everything.""" start="00:13:14.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And thanks. Yeah. Have a nice,""" start="00:13:20.900" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably a nice day at your work.""" start="00:13:23.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, no worries. Yeah.""" start="00:13:24.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's still it's like lunchtime for me.""" start="00:13:26.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So okay, here, it's like,""" start="00:13:28.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""09:00. 9pm. Thanks for the talk.""" start="00:13:34.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry for the inconvenience was not having""" start="00:13:36.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any, any questions, really.""" start="00:13:37.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So yeah. Oh yeah, no worries.""" start="00:13:39.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, there's like no documentation on""" start="00:13:41.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any of this stuff. So I didn't really expect""" start="00:13:42.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any.""" start="00:13:43.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I was kind of interested when I jumped""" start="00:13:47.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into NeoVim. I write it 1 or 2 things on my""" start="00:13:51.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""own, but never really got really deep into""" start="00:13:53.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. And you're gonna see with like compiler""" start="00:13:54.520" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""design and stuff like this,""" start="00:13:55.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not really specific.""" start="00:13:57.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I was""" start="00:13:58.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: kind of- Yeah, that's the hard part.""" start="00:14:00.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, it's, LSP is cool,""" start="00:14:02.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you have to like deal with all the""" start="00:14:05.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like compiler stuff and programming language""" start="00:14:06.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""theory.""" start="00:14:07.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So yeah. So it's, it shouldn't be too""" start="00:14:10.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""complicated. I had not really a question,""" start="00:14:13.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so, but it worked out fine.""" start="00:14:14.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the Q and A.""" start="00:14:16.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I have any questions to Oak Hamill,""" start="00:14:18.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elderspeak will get an email from you.""" start="00:14:20.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah, definitely.""" start="00:14:21.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Dan?""" start="00:14:23.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [austin@cutedogs.org](mailto:austin@cutedogs.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20lspocaml%3A%20Writing%20a%20language%20server%20in%20OCaml%20for%20Emacs%2C%20fun%2C%20and%20profit) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md index f1f6f49a..cdb010e5 100644 --- a/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,38 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 17-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-lspocaml"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-lspocaml" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:16.540 What is Semgrep? +00:40.720 How do we show security bugs early? +01:37.880 What is the Language Server Protocol? +02:29.040 Case study: Rust Analyzer +03:42.760 Rust Analyzer in action +04:09.960 Why is this useful? +05:36.220 So what about Emacs? +06:40.700 Technical part - Brief communication overview +07:58.760 Example request +08:03.380 LSP capabilities +09:23.380 Tips on writing a LS +11:03.480 Supporting a LS through LSP mode in Emacs +12:06.000 Create a client +13:07.300 Add to list of client packages +14:11.680 Add documentation! +14:17.880 Adding commands and custom capabilities +15:01.360 Thanks for listening + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 16:04 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-lspocaml">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=6c21ce25eae19932bf370829bd0e9dcba9e18e27-1701631387142">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.opus">Download --main.opus (8.7MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--main.webm">Download --main.webm (29MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault.pdf">Download .pdf (87MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/jgMzmGyx4H1YDwc5n1eRZu">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUIS55UbQs">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-lspocaml"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-lspocaml-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 14:24 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-lspocaml">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=6c21ce25eae19932bf370829bd0e9dcba9e18e27-1701631387142">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (8.2MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-lspocaml--writing-a-language-server-in-ocaml-for-emacs-fun-and-profit--austin-theriault--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (23MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md index 0e089295..73a7feb2 100644 --- a/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/gc">emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/windows">Windows into Freedom</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hyperdrive">hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/test">What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md b/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md index b418580f..b498528d 100644 --- a/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md +++ b/2023/info/matplotllm-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,216 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [abhinav@lepisma.xyz](mailto:abhinav@lepisma.xyz?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20matplotllm%3A%20MatplotLLM%2C%20iterative%20natural%20language%20data%20visualization%20in%20org-babel) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="matplotllm-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, my name is Abhinav and I'm going to talk about""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this tool that I've been working on called MatplotLLM.""" start="00:00:03.040" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MatplotLLM is a natural language interface""" start="00:00:06.200" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over matplotlib, which is a library I use a lot""" start="00:00:09.520" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for making visualizations.""" start="00:00:12.480" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a pretty common Python library used a lot everywhere""" start="00:00:14.440" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where there's need of plotting and graphing.""" start="00:00:18.680" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually use it in reports.""" start="00:00:22.480" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever I'm writing a report in org mode,""" start="00:00:25.360" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I tend to write a code block which is in Python.""" start="00:00:27.360" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then that code block has usage of matplotlib""" start="00:00:31.560" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to produce some reports.""" start="00:00:34.080" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works really well.""" start="00:00:36.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But at times what happens is""" start="00:00:38.320" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to make a very custom graph, let's say.""" start="00:00:40.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then while I'm writing a report,""" start="00:00:43.960" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's kind of a huge leap of abstraction""" start="00:00:46.920" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm working on text""" start="00:00:50.680" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versus going into actual low-level matplotlib code""" start="00:00:51.520" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do that graphing.""" start="00:00:54.880" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's something I don't want to do.""" start="00:00:56.240" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's an example.""" start="00:00:59.680" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a graph which is... 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For the current version,""" start="00:02:06.600" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we use GPT-4, which is OpenAI's model.""" start="00:02:11.000" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not open in the sense of open source.""" start="00:02:13.920" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's a problem that it has.""" start="00:02:17.920" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for this version, we are going to use that.""" start="00:02:21.120" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Using this library""" start="00:02:23.600" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Using this library is pretty simple.""" start="00:02:23.600" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You basically require the library""" start="00:02:25.480" 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I didn't expect...""" start="00:06:53.400" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't exactly ask for it, but it's nice.""" start="00:06:55.840" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a couple more things.""" start="00:06:58.960" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's make it more minimal. 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There are limitations to text.""" start="00:09:06.600" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're producing an image,""" start="00:09:10.720" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you should be able to do that, too.""" start="00:09:12.480" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I do expect that to happen soonish.""" start="00:09:13.960" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If not, from the model side, the hack that I mentioned""" start="00:09:16.400" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could be made to work.""" start="00:09:19.840" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that will come in in a later version, probably.""" start="00:09:21.360" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, so that's the end of my talk.""" start="00:09:24.440" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find more details in the repository link.""" start="00:09:27.600" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for listening. Goodbye.""" start="00:09:29.760" video="mainVideo-matplotllm" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md b/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md index 8cee9c69..ea8b8b70 100644 --- a/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/matplotllm-nav.md @@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sharing">Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs: Emacs education and why I embraced video</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/voice">Improving access to AI-assisted literate programming with voice control</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/voice">Enhancing productivity with voice computing</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/mentor-after.md b/2023/info/mentor-after.md index 5a46cc3f..80185de8 100644 --- a/2023/info/mentor-after.md +++ b/2023/info/mentor-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1750 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com](mailto:jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20mentor%3A%20Mentoring%20VS-Coders%20as%20an%20Emacsian%20%28or%20How%20to%20show%20not%20tell%20people%20about%20the%20wonders%20of%20Emacs%29) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="mentor-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi everyone, my name is Jeremy Friesen, pronouns are he/him,""" start="00:00:01.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:06.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentoring VS Coders as an Emacs-ian.""" start="00:00:07.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A little bit of background, since 2015, I've mentored""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about 40 software developers,""" start="00:00:15.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""many of them in career-transitioning roles,""" start="00:00:16.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oftentimes from boot camps.""" start="00:00:19.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also managed a couple of small software development teams.""" start="00:00:21.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Framing approaches""" start="00:00:26.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I want to think about mentoring and the framing approaches.""" start="00:00:26.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all don't know what we don't know.""" start="00:00:30.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So while mentoring, I like to be curious---asking questions,""" start="00:00:32.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to be visible,""" start="00:00:36.420" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I also like to pair so that we can share.""" start="00:00:37.660" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What are you looking to learn?""" start="00:00:41.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""When I start, I like to ask the following type of question:""" start="00:00:41.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""What have you been wanting to learn more of,""" start="00:00:45.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get better at, and improve on?"""" start="00:00:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I like to ask further questions to get an understanding""" start="00:00:49.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of where they've been, where they're going,""" start="00:00:52.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what they'd like to achieve.""" start="00:00:55.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Later I'll ask coaching questions, "what's going well,"""" start="00:00:57.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""where are you getting stuck,"""" start="00:01:00.140" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "if you change one thing, what would it be?"""" start="00:01:01.420" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Make the work visible""" start="00:01:06.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So like many people, I shifted to remote work in 2020,""" start="00:01:06.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've noticed a higher collaboration in remote work,""" start="00:01:09.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when folks make their work visible.""" start="00:01:13.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to do that I host office hours,""" start="00:01:15.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I try to attend other people's office hours,""" start="00:01:18.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll open up a Slack huddle and just code by myself,""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let folks know, please hop in.""" start="00:01:23.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hop in and be curious""" start="00:01:29.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I like to pay attention to other huddles that start.""" start="00:01:29.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If they're going still for, like, 45 minutes or so,""" start="00:01:32.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll hop in and say hello.""" start="00:01:35.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's even odds that they're moving along just fine""" start="00:01:36.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or that they're stuck.""" start="00:01:39.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So by hopping into the Slack huddle,""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm helping with a common problem.""" start="00:01:43.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you know when you're stuck?""" start="00:01:45.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something that---as a manager---folks want to know,""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how can I get unstuck faster?""" start="00:01:50.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a human, it can be frustrating to be stuck for a long time,""" start="00:01:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you also learn stuff""" start="00:01:57.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're dealing with the hard things.""" start="00:01:58.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you really need to balance that time,""" start="00:02:00.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I find hopping in, just being a gentle presence,""" start="00:02:03.220" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with yes... an agenda, but just to say hi,""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is crucial to help the team members move along.""" start="00:02:10.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Pairing is for sharing""" start="00:02:15.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Pairing is for sharing.""" start="00:02:15.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I pair, I like to let others drive.""" start="00:02:17.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're typing and working to resolve the problem.""" start="00:02:19.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm giving guidance, asking questions,""" start="00:02:22.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe thinking through a refactor.""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also spending time 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video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about using their tools afterwards.""" start="00:02:50.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would love to get to the point where they ask,""" start="00:02:52.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""You saw me using my editor, what is something""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could learn?"""" start="00:02:58.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm working on getting to that point.""" start="00:03:00.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Editor functions""" start="00:03:03.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""While pairing, I like to pay attention""" start="00:03:03.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to how folks handle the following.""" start="00:03:05.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where do they want to go?""" start="00:03:07.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do they get there?""" start="00:03:08.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here they are, now what?""" start="00:03:10.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do they summarize?""" start="00:03:12.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know what I can do in Emacs,""" start="00:03:13.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I assume that VS Code can do something similar.""" start="00:03:15.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a matter of helping the mentees find those packages and plugins.""" start="00:03:17.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Where do they want to 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video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be in the right order.""" start="00:03:42.201" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I can go back, and "spell" is there.""" start="00:03:43.381" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Super easy, helpful, so I don't have to think about it, the order.""" start="00:03:48.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Search across projects.""" start="00:03:52.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cross-repository searching is super-simple in Emacs,""" start="00:03:54.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I've never seen anyone do it in VS Code.""" start="00:03:59.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also trying to introduce folks to command-line tools""" start="00:04:02.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as RipGrep and SilverSearcher,""" start="00:04:05.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not just to look in the project, but to go one directory up""" start="00:04:07.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and look across projects""" start="00:04:10.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because sometimes when you're working on lots of different projects,""" start="00:04:12.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there might be solutions or ideas that come from there.""" start="00:04:15.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also notice that a lot of people use directory trees to navigate,""" start="00:04:19.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I favor the fuzzy text.""" start="00:04:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I can do something like `Command-t`""" start="00:04:25.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and start looking for things in there.""" start="00:04:27.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just type the name of the file.""" start="00:04:31.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use `consult-projectile`,""" start="00:04:33.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has a lot of really cool functionality.""" start="00:04:35.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The big one being I can type `r`, recent file.""" start="00:04:39.540" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can type `p` and jump to a different project,""" start="00:04:43.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a quick navigation tool that I've not seen in VS Code.""" start="00:04:47.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template 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video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Word completion, Emacs just knocks everything out of the park:""" start="00:05:39.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`dabbrev`, `templates`, `hippie-expand`, `completion-at-point`.""" start="00:05:44.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes it just hurts to watch people type stuff""" start="00:05:48.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they could quickly expand""" start="00:05:52.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there are words within the code.""" start="00:05:54.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another one is auto-formatting.""" start="00:05:56.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tree sitter...its arrival is great.""" start="00:05:57.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I assume this is going to get better.""" start="00:06:00.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love highlighting a region, hitting `TAB`, and it's just formatted.""" start="00:06:01.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've seen a lot of VS Coders... that doesn't work for them.""" start="00:06:04.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't know why, trying to get them to see it.""" start="00:06:08.761" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Multi-cursor [`multiple-cursors`] and `iedit`...""" start="00:06:11.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""took me a long time to explore `iedit`,""" start="00:06:12.901" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the practice... but practicing was huge,""" start="00:06:14.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it has transformed my approach to coding and typing.""" start="00:06:17.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Folks know about multi-cursor editing and editing-in-region""" start="00:06:21.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but make sure that they are aware of it.""" start="00:06:24.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's important.""" start="00:06:27.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next up is inline searching.""" start="00:06:29.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My beloved Textmate... it was the first thing.""" start="00:06:32.620" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, it was why I chose not to use Emacs in 2005""" start="00:06:35.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and went with Textmate.""" start="00:06:38.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is something quite simple.""" start="00:06:41.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can do `search` within here, and I can see "introduced",""" start="00:06:43.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will show me the line.""" start="00:06:50.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I like about that is when I'm in code,""" start="00:06:52.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can see the neighborhood of other things""" start="00:06:54.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a good idea of what's around.""" start="00:06:56.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, there is `occur-mode` that can be super useful,""" start="00:06:58.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm used to the Textmate in it.""" start="00:07:01.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just love it.""" start="00:07:03.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How do they summarize?""" start="00:07:06.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up is how they summarize.""" start="00:07:06.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've seen a lot of bootcamp graduates write commit messages""" start="00:07:08.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by going to the command line.""" start="00:07:11.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In my experience, commit messages written in the command line""" start="00:07:14.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tend to be terse.""" start="00:07:17.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They miss something.""" start="00:07:18.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I try to really quickly shift folks to use their text editor,""" start="00:07:19.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encourage them and""" start="00:07:23.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""teach them about `$GIT_EDITOR` and `$EDITOR` for the environment variables""" start="00:07:24.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so they can make their commits from the command line.""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if not there, help them improve how they do VS Code.""" start="00:07:31.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My little screed at the top:""" start="00:07:34.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the interface for VS Code's commit is trash.""" start="00:07:35.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is why I stepped away from VS Code when I was exploring editors.""" start="00:07:38.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""General strategies""" start="00:07:44.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next up, my goal is to encourage folks to use editors for writing,""" start="00:07:44.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to think about owning that tool.""" start="00:07:48.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Commit to one item of learning each week""" start="00:07:52.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I have them try to learn one thing a week.""" start="00:07:52.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe they aren't going to learn it,""" start="00:07:54.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but just not to overwhelm them""" start="00:07:55.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and find those high-value things.""" start="00:07:57.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jump to spec, jump to code... super-valuable""" start="00:07:59.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I see folks doing it a lot during the day,""" start="00:08:03.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it can really speed up the transition time""" start="00:08:06.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and keep the focus between the test...""" start="00:08:10.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you're trying to test and what you're trying to define,""" start="00:08:12.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can get lost if you do the tree navigation.""" start="00:08:15.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Practice within your knowledge domain""" start="00:08:18.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Also I encourage people to practice their domain knowledge.""" start="00:08:18.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I learned a lot about programming by doing a bunch of things""" start="00:08:22.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""related to RPGs---role-playing games.""" start="00:08:27.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did this previously in Ruby---dice rollers, note takers,""" start="00:08:30.020" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""random table lookups---and now I'm doing it in Emacs.""" start="00:08:33.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Knowing the domain helps me set aside the problem space""" start="00:08:35.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then explore how I code""" start="00:08:40.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how I can implement things differently.""" start="00:08:42.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Note-taking""" start="00:08:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Note-taking: pay attention to how folks create a fleeting note.""" start="00:08:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be excruciating as they try to figure out""" start="00:08:51.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""where am I going to put this?"""" start="00:08:54.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""What file?"""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Where does it go?"""" start="00:08:56.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, we have the *scratch* buffer or anything else,""" start="00:08:57.660" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but ask them about their note-taking habits""" start="00:09:01.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Help them navigate the proprietary software tar pits""" start="00:09:07.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""and help them navigate the proprietary software tar pits.""" start="00:09:07.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We know that anything that is venture-capital funded""" start="00:09:11.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will eventually collapse.""" start="00:09:14.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We know that things that don't have a sustainable business model""" start="00:09:16.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without surveillance capitalism""" start="00:09:20.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is going to also have problems.""" start="00:09:22.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Encourage folks to think about how they're owning their notes.""" start="00:09:25.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do they place true value on those,""" start="00:09:28.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or are they things that are kind of ephemeral?""" start="00:09:30.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then help them find the thing that makes sense for them.""" start="00:09:33.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Help show the joy of holisting computering""" start="00:09:38.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Put another way, I want people to think holistically""" start="00:09:38.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about their generalized "computering" environment.""" start="00:09:43.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Playing is for staying""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And I also think about the reason why""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've stayed a software developer for 25-years plus""" start="00:09:50.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is because I approach all of this as play and storytelling.""" start="00:09:53.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes happy byproduct is that I ship features and documentation""" start="00:09:58.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""We play this game all the time, me and my coworker Kirk.""" start="00:10:23.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love it.""" start="00:10:26.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another goal is showing the malleability of Emacs,""" start="00:10:27.700" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how easy it is to extend.""" start="00:10:31.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And obviously there's so much more than what I've highlighted,""" start="00:10:34.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then again, that's Emacs.""" start="00:10:36.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.""" start="00:10:38.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: hannah + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="mentor-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 2 seconds. And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:09.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Jeremy, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:10.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. I'm doing all right.""" start="00:00:11.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How about you?""" start="00:00:12.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm doing great as well.""" start="00:00:14.759" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really happy to see all the talk that""" start="00:00:16.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're having. And I was particularly excited""" start="00:00:18.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I got your proposal for this talk""" start="00:00:21.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because mentoring, as I was telling you""" start="00:00:24.080" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during the check-in process,""" start="00:00:25.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a subject dear to my heart.""" start="00:00:27.360" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm really excited,""" start="00:00:28.700" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not only for the talk that you've just done,""" start="00:00:30.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for the question that people are""" start="00:00:32.200" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to ask you.""" start="00:00:32.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to answering some""" start="00:00:35.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. Mentoring is also something near""" start="00:00:39.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and dear. Something I did not mention is when""" start="00:00:43.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folks would ask me, like,""" start="00:00:45.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what was your most important class?""" start="00:00:47.000" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I said, oh, easy, easy,""" start="00:00:48.920" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy, high school English.""" start="00:00:50.180" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, it's my whatever your primary written""" start="00:00:54.160" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and spoken languages I think is the most""" start="00:00:56.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""useful skill as a programmer""" start="00:00:58.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: right so as usual people if you want to ask""" start="00:01:05.379" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions to Jeremy, feel free to find the""" start="00:01:09.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""link to the other pad either on the talk page""" start="00:01:11.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or on IRC. We're also going to open the chat""" start="00:01:15.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that people can join us and ask questions.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me just make sure that I tell Sasha can""" start="00:01:20.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you open ID Mentor. All right so in the""" start="00:01:25.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meantime what we'll do is that I'll be""" start="00:01:27.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reading questions of the pad and Jeremy will""" start="00:01:29.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be answering them whilst we wait for you to""" start="00:01:31.400" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""join. Now just to be clear with the time,""" start="00:01:32.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have a little bit of time now,""" start="00:01:34.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little more time than before.""" start="00:01:36.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have 22 minutes, so until 10 of the next""" start="00:01:39.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hours to answer as many questions as""" start="00:01:41.260" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible. And believe me,""" start="00:01:42.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you people watching right now are not""" start="00:01:45.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asking questions, I will be asking plenty of""" start="00:01:47.280" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them. So please, save Jeremy from my""" start="00:01:49.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I look forward to it.""" start="00:01:53.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: inquisitive mind. All right.""" start="00:01:55.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Starting with the first question,""" start="00:01:56.960" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very trivial 1, perhaps,""" start="00:01:59.240" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but always 1 that I ask myself when I look at""" start="00:02:01.720" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a keyboard. Regarding super key,""" start="00:02:03.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which key do you bind to super?""" start="00:02:05.980" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so my left command,""" start="00:02:09.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is on a Mac keyboard,""" start="00:02:12.180" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the key right to the left of the space bar""" start="00:02:16.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is super. 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I'm actually going to have to""" start="00:22:54.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be sorry because we only have about 50""" start="00:22:56.200" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seconds until we move on to the next talk.""" start="00:22:58.000" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But please, Plasma Strike,""" start="00:22:59.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to ask your question to Jeremy,""" start="00:23:01.120" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by all means, stay in the room.""" start="00:23:02.720" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yep, I'll be here.""" start="00:23:04.120" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And we'll be recording all of this and we'll""" start="00:23:07.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""put this later on the talk page.""" start="00:23:09.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Jeremy, I'll have to say bye now because I""" start="00:23:12.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to prepare the next room.""" start="00:23:13.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But It was lovely talking with you and thank""" start="00:23:16.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you for all your answers.""" start="00:23:17.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Absolutely. Thank you.""" start="00:23:19.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Bye-bye. Bye.""" start="00:23:21.220" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Start of section to review""" start="00:23:26.400" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: See you. Hello. One of the things with Emacs is""" start="00:23:26.400" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not... It's like when you change the""" start="00:23:28.740" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file management, you just change very,""" start="00:23:30.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very small amounts of what exactly you need,""" start="00:23:33.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you want to change. 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Plasma Strike,""" start="01:13:31.680" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you for your presentation.""" start="01:13:32.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love this conference.""" start="01:13:34.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you very much.""" start="01:13:36.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now have a good rest of your Sunday.""" start="01:13:41.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye.""" start="01:13:43.100" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/mentor-nav.md b/2023/info/mentor-nav.md index bcfc9149..66cf8ef4 100644 --- a/2023/info/mentor-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/mentor-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emms">Emacs MultiMedia System (EMMS)</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hn">The many ways to browse Hacker News from Emacs</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/steno">Programming with steno</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web (maybe)</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/nabokov-after.md b/2023/info/nabokov-after.md index 208fc59b..1e45bfcc 100644 --- a/2023/info/nabokov-after.md +++ b/2023/info/nabokov-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,500 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ewj@inkwellandoften.com](mailto:ewj@inkwellandoften.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20nabokov%3A%20Why%20Nabokov%20would%20use%20Org-Mode%20if%20he%20were%20writing%20today) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="nabokov-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, fellow Emacs enthusiasts.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Edmund Jorgensen.""" start="00:00:05.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a software engineer by day,""" start="00:00:06.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but by night I love to write novels,""" start="00:00:08.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I lean on Emacs heavily""" start="00:00:10.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for both of these activities.""" start="00:00:11.774" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I would like to talk to you about how Emacs,""" start="00:00:13.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specifically with Org mode,""" start="00:00:15.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has helped me manage some of the practical""" start="00:00:17.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""difficulties of writing long-form prose,""" start="00:00:18.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""novels in my case,""" start="00:00:20.940" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd like to get at this by talking about how""" start="00:00:22.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another, much more famous novelist managed""" start="00:00:24.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of those same difficulties in a way""" start="00:00:26.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that makes me suspect he might well use Emacs""" start="00:00:28.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Org mode himself""" start="00:00:30.874" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if he were still alive and writing today.""" start="00:00:31.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This talk will probably be""" start="00:00:34.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the most interest to listeners""" start="00:00:35.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who either already write long-form prose in Emacs""" start="00:00:36.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or are considering doing so,""" start="00:00:39.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think that anyone""" start="00:00:40.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with an interest in literature or Emacs""" start="00:00:42.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will find something to take away.""" start="00:00:44.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Nabokov's process of writing novels""" start="00:00:45.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's get to it.""" start="00:00:45.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a picture of a man lying on a bed,""" start="00:00:51.120" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing something on an index card.""" start="00:00:53.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we didn't know any better,""" start="00:00:56.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might think that he was just jotting down""" start="00:00:57.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a recipe for beef stew or something like that.""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in fact, this is not just any old man.""" start="00:01:01.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is Vladimir Nabokov, one of the most""" start="00:01:03.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""celebrated novelists of the 20th century,""" start="00:01:06.174" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he's not jotting down""" start="00:01:08.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a recipe for beef stew in this picture.""" start="00:01:09.280" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's actually hard at work here,""" start="00:01:11.480" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""composing a classic of English literature""" start="00:01:12.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on an index card.""" start="00:01:15.007" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how he wrote all his novels, in fact,""" start="00:01:16.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on index cards.""" start="00:01:18.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't mean that he just took notes on these cards""" start="00:01:20.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or wrote outlines on them.""" start="00:01:22.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He did both of those things as well,""" start="00:01:24.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but he also wrote the actual prose of his novels,""" start="00:01:25.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""word by word, sentence by sentence, on index cards.""" start="00:01:28.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see what that looked like at scale.""" start="00:01:32.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This box you see here,""" start="00:01:37.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""full of groups of bundled cards,""" start="00:01:39.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what a novel in progress looked like for Nabokov.""" start="00:01:41.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you squint, you can see that these cards""" start="00:01:43.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were from the composition of Lolita,""" start="00:01:46.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably his most famous novel.""" start="00:01:47.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So why did he write novels on index cards?""" start="00:01:50.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not necessarily an obvious choice.""" start="00:01:53.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, sadly, Emacs wasn't available to him at the time,""" start="00:01:56.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but most writers in his day,""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they weren't using typewriters,""" start="00:02:01.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which were available,""" start="00:02:02.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were using notebooks or loose-leaf sheets""" start="00:02:03.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:02:06.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not these tiny little index cards.""" start="00:02:07.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Nabokov loved index cards.""" start="00:02:09.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He swore by them because they represented""" start="00:02:11.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an elegant solution""" start="00:02:14.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to three of the most pressing practical problems""" start="00:02:15.200" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that every novelist faces.""" start="00:02:18.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Three practical problems novelists face""" start="00:02:24.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template 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start="00:02:37.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into unified shape over a long period of time,""" start="00:02:39.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""months or years.""" start="00:02:42.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are organizational challenges""" start="00:02:43.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inherent in that process,""" start="00:02:45.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and each writer needs practical techniques""" start="00:02:46.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to manage those challenges.""" start="00:02:48.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The most basic challenge, of course, is that,""" start="00:02:51.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unless you're trying to bring back""" start="00:02:53.400" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Homeric Bard tradition""" start="00:02:55.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of reciting books from memory in firelit halls,""" start="00:02:57.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to actually set down""" start="00:02:59.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those 100,000 words on some medium.""" start="00:03:01.200" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Nabokov's case, index cards worked fine for this.""" start="00:03:03.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A little cramped, maybe, but workable.""" start="00:03:05.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Secondly, as you're writing,""" start="00:03:08.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're bound to think of little but important things""" start="00:03:09.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the story that you want to record.""" start="00:03:11.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not talking here about big thematic notes""" start="00:03:13.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or research that can go in a separate document,""" start="00:03:16.207" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but smaller, more contextual notes""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that belong right along the prose that they refer to.""" start="00:03:21.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These might be reminders, like,""" start="00:03:23.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Remember to clean up this sentence,"""" start="00:03:26.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or questions for yourself""" start="00:03:28.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to consider during rewrites, like,""" start="00:03:29.707" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Why does Shirley feel this way here?"""" start="00:03:31.907" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nabokov recorded these notes""" start="00:03:33.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the margins of his cards or on the backs.""" start="00:03:35.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Paper, in general, is great for this kind of""" start="00:03:37.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intertextual note-taking.""" start="00:03:40.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not particular to index cards.""" start="00:03:41.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what Nabokov really loved 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+[[!template text="""is pretty simple.""" start="00:05:03.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org mode is a part of Emacs,""" start="00:05:04.774" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a text editor, so you can just type in your text.""" start="00:05:06.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're not going to spend any more time on that.""" start="00:05:09.200" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the second practical challenge,""" start="00:05:10.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recording small intertextual notes,""" start="00:05:13.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org mode offers comments, like this one here.""" start="00:05:16.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The comment, "maybe I need to say which store?",""" start="00:05:19.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the leading pound sign there.""" start="00:05:21.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that comments are generally""" start="00:05:23.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""underappreciated outside of coding.""" start="00:05:25.874" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When writing fiction, for example,""" start="00:05:28.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love that Org mode lets me keep these comments""" start="00:05:29.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""close to the prose they refer to.""" start="00:05:32.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can see right here that I'm talking about""" start="00:05:33.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying which store in this first line,""" start="00:05:37.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""One day, Bob went to the store."""" start="00:05:39.120" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get to keep these things close to""" start="00:05:40.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the prose they refer to""" start="00:05:44.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without ever having to worry that""" start="00:05:45.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they'll accidentally be exported to a reader.""" start="00:05:46.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's great.""" start="00:05:48.480" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's talk about how Org Mode handles the third""" start="00:05:50.540" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and most brutal challenge of all, which is structure.""" start="00:05:52.807" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we've taken the same text""" start="00:06:00.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we've imposed some structure on it.""" start="00:06:03.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like index cards,""" start="00:06:04.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is where Org mode really shines.""" start="00:06:07.807" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org mode extends outline mode,""" start="00:06:09.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is built around the concept of header lines,""" start="00:06:12.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with different levels denoted by""" start="00:06:14.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different numbers of leading asterisks (`*`).""" start="00:06:15.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Personally, I tend to use top line headers""" start="00:06:18.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as chapters and second line headers as scenes.""" start="00:06:20.974" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see that here, where chapter one says""" start="00:06:23.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Bob and Shirley meet."""" start="00:06:26.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a scene, "Bob goes to the store."""" start="00:06:27.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here below is chapter two, yet unwritten,""" start="00:06:29.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where Bob goes to work.""" start="00:06:32.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty exciting. Since Org mode supports folding,""" start="00:06:34.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can read quickly through a summary of my novel""" start="00:06:39.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at either the chapter or the scene level""" start="00:06:42.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just by flipping through different levels of""" start="00:06:44.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""visibility, just like Nabokov could flip through""" start="00:06:46.240" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different bundles of cards.""" start="00:06:48.800" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here's the chapter level.""" start="00:06:51.307" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can see at a chapter level,""" start="00:06:52.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Bob and Shirley meet", "Bob goes to work."""" start="00:06:54.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I can get one level more specific""" start="00:06:56.680" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see the various scenes in the chapter""" start="00:06:59.080" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the second header level.""" start="00:07:01.160" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can, if I want,""" start="00:07:02.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go all the way back to the prose level.""" start="00:07:04.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just like Nabokov shuffling""" start="00:07:10.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""his index cards around,""" start="00:07:12.774" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can move scenes around as logical units.""" start="00:07:14.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say, for example,""" start="00:07:16.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we wanted to move Bob's thoughts about life,""" start="00:07:18.200" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are down here, up further.""" start="00:07:20.400" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I can grab "Bob thinks about life,"""" start="00:07:22.920" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can move it up or down as a logical unit.""" start="00:07:26.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Org mode offers some even more powerful tricks""" start="00:07:30.480" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for structuring and navigating your novel,""" start="00:07:34.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beyond what even index cards can do.""" start="00:07:36.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you can use tags""" start="00:07:38.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on your scene headings. You can see these here.""" start="00:07:41.974" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're the prominent colon separated words""" start="00:07:44.480" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the header lines.""" start="00:07:46.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, I'm using `bob` and `shirley`.""" start="00:07:47.560" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These tags can represent characters""" start="00:07:49.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who appear in the scene,""" start="00:07:52.720" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what I'm doing here,""" start="00:07:53.674" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or locations in which the scenes occur,""" start="00:07:54.640" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or plot lines that the scenes 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text="""just a subset of the prose,""" start="00:08:25.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the prose that referred to Shirley in some way.""" start="00:08:27.440" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe we want to do that""" start="00:08:29.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to check continuity for her character,""" start="00:08:31.360" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or make sure that her character develops""" start="00:08:33.280" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along a compelling arc,""" start="00:08:35.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even just to get a sense""" start="00:08:37.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of how much airtime she gets in the novel.""" start="00:08:38.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for listening to this whirlwind exploration""" start="00:08:44.040" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of some of the practical challenges of writing""" start="00:08:49.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""novels and other long-form prose,""" start="00:08:51.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how Org mode can help tackle them.""" start="00:08:53.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Takeaways and next steps""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'd like to leave you with a couple takeaways""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and next steps for those who are interested.""" start="00:08:57.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, if you're writing a novel""" start="00:08:59.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or other long-form prose,""" start="00:09:01.907" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even considering doing so,""" start="00:09:02.841" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""take a look at Org mode,""" start="00:09:04.874" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially if you're already familiar with Emacs.""" start="00:09:06.108" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It won't solve the artistic problem""" start="00:09:08.375" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of writing an interesting book for you,""" start="00:09:10.475" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not even with a ChatGPT plugin,""" start="00:09:11.875" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's a fantastic tool for managing""" start="00:09:13.908" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of the practical challenges""" start="00:09:15.875" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that come with hacking 100,000 words into shape""" start="00:09:16.875" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the months or years that that process takes.""" start="00:09:19.841" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Second, if you're interested in learning more""" start="00:09:22.741" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about some of the advanced features of Org mode""" start="00:09:25.840" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how they can help in this process,""" start="00:09:27.960" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote a long blog post about my difficulties""" start="00:09:29.520" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing a novel with 13 interconnected subplots,""" start="00:09:32.320" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how Emacs and Org mode saved it from imploding.""" start="00:09:34.880" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll put a link here below. [ewj.io/emacs]""" start="00:09:37.760" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for listening, and Emacs on!""" start="00:09:44.000" video="mainVideo-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="nabokov-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: About 3""" start="00:00:03.560" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seconds. And I believe we are live.""" start="00:00:16.020" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi Edmund, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:17.280" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Hi, how's it going Leo?""" start="00:00:19.240" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm doing well, thanks.""" start="00:00:20.279" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yourself?""" start="00:00:20.560" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm also doing well. So Edmund doesn't have""" start="00:00:24.480" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""his webcam on but he will be able to answer""" start="00:00:26.980" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions that you ask inside of the Azure""" start="00:00:29.960" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad that I've shared again on IRC.""" start="00:00:32.159" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, we only have 1 question and we""" start="00:00:35.440" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have about 40 minutes of question time,""" start="00:00:37.120" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so feel free to add as many questions as you""" start="00:00:40.380" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want and in the meantime,""" start="00:00:41.940" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll get started on the first 1.""" start="00:00:43.380" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unless, Edmond, do you have anything to say""" start="00:00:45.020" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after your presentation?""" start="00:00:45.920" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: No, we can jump in.""" start="00:00:48.280" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, lovely. 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If you have any""" start="00:08:01.100" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions feel free to unmute yourself and""" start="00:08:03.340" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask them. Otherwise, we might go on a break.""" start="00:08:06.560" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to give you about 10 seconds to""" start="00:08:08.360" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unmute yourself. Or if you just want to add""" start="00:08:14.480" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more questions on the pad,""" start="00:08:15.660" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's also fine. And that'll give you about""" start="00:08:17.680" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""30 seconds. 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But it's really nice to see when we""" start="00:08:48.160" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""foray into other areas like writing or any""" start="00:08:51.960" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of academia-based topics.""" start="00:08:53.400" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you, it's really nice.""" start="00:08:55.440" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It brings different colors to the spectrum of""" start="00:09:01.500" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what EmacsConf is and what ultimately Emacs""" start="00:09:03.580" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is as well. Thank you.""" start="00:09:04.680" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well thanks to everyone who tuned in and Leo""" start="00:09:06.960" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks to you and all the other organizers""" start="00:09:08.160" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for putting this together.""" start="00:09:09.060" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate it.""" start="00:09:09.720" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you. All right I think we're going to""" start="00:09:12.720" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go on a little break for 5 minutes because I""" start="00:09:14.380" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't see other questions being asked.""" start="00:09:16.060" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So everyone we'll see you again in 5 minutes""" start="00:09:18.900" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thank you again, Edmund.""" start="00:09:19.900" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cheers.""" start="00:09:20.720" video="qanda-nabokov" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ewj@inkwellandoften.com](mailto:ewj@inkwellandoften.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20nabokov%3A%20Why%20Nabokov%20would%20use%20Org-Mode%20if%20he%20were%20writing%20today) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/nabokov-before.md b/2023/info/nabokov-before.md index f1f6f49a..b24c82de 100644 --- a/2023/info/nabokov-before.md +++ b/2023/info/nabokov-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,25 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 10-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-nabokov"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-nabokov" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:45.760 Nabokov's process of writing novels +02:24.080 Three practical problems novelists face +04:46.560 Org mode for writing novels +08:55.600 Takeaways and next steps + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 09:51 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-nabokov">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=d4fb146b412ea04565adc44dfe1a9162d553b956-1701540322974">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.opus">Download --main.opus (6.3MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--main.webm">Download --main.webm (22MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--silence.mkv">Download --silence.mkv (12MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen.org">Download .org</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/bDou9TDETryMt18KcdB56A">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E_uNxwL2_I">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-nabokov"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-nabokov-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 09:21 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-nabokov">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=d4fb146b412ea04565adc44dfe1a9162d553b956-1701540322974">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (3.1MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-nabokov--why-nabokov-would-use-orgmode-if-he-were-writing-today--edmund-jorgensen--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (9.1MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md b/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md index f7ef3f32..c0a6997d 100644 --- a/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/nabokov-nav.md @@ -3,5 +3,5 @@ Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/writing">Emacs turbo-charges my writing</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/collab">Collaborative data processing and documenting using org-babel</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/one-after.md b/2023/info/one-after.md index 9832af36..7af4f390 100644 --- a/2023/info/one-after.md +++ b/2023/info/one-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,878 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [tony@tonyaldon.com](mailto:tony@tonyaldon.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20one%3A%20one.el%3A%20the%20static%20site%20generator%20for%20Emacs%20Lisp%20Programmers) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="one-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, everybody. Welcome to the EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you're doing well and you're having fun.""" start="00:00:04.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Tony Aldon, and in this talk,""" start="00:00:06.400" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are going to see how to build a static website""" start="00:00:08.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the package one.el that I wrote.""" start="00:00:11.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But before we start, I'd like to thank""" start="00:00:14.520" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people who organized that conference,""" start="00:00:17.600" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thank you all for the great work.""" start="00:00:20.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Documentation""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now let's jump into the documentation of one.el,""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is built with one.el. In the install page,""" start="00:00:27.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can see that we have a sidebar""" start="00:00:31.680" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all of the pages in the documentation,""" start="00:00:33.080" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some buttons to switch between pages,""" start="00:00:35.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we also have a table of contents""" start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some of the pages if we need it.""" start="00:00:41.960" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's jump into one.el repository""" start="00:00:45.120" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see why I like how it is implemented,""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the website that we've seen,""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the documentation, is just one file.""" start="00:00:53.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is that file, with the headline of level 1""" start="00:00:55.960" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being the web pages.""" start="00:01:00.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There needs to be a web page to have the property,""" start="00:01:03.280" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Org property `:ONE:`, set to a render function.""" start="00:01:06.080" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are going to see how they work after.""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the `:CUSTOM_ID:`, the value of the `:CUSTOM_ID:`,""" start="00:01:11.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the path of the page. So really,""" start="00:01:14.640" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the website that we have on the left""" start="00:01:17.520" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is this file. 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Now, why not?""" start="00:14:53.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's great to write the website""" start="00:14:57.361" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also to debug if we need to debug at some point.""" start="00:15:00.080" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's render page-tree directly in the page, one.org,""" start="00:15:02.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we rebuild, we reload, and we see this is what we have,""" start="00:15:10.280" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is the data that we have, okay?""" start="00:15:15.680" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we have, for instance, the `:raw-value` with this "foo",""" start="00:15:17.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the headline,""" start="00:15:20.600" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the content of the headline in a raw format,""" start="00:15:22.520" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we also have custom,""" start="00:15:27.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so here we have the `:CUSTOM_ID: foo` and `:ONE: foo`,""" start="00:15:29.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are the properties,""" start="00:15:33.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when we are inside those render functions,""" start="00:15:35.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have access to this.""" start="00:15:40.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's, what can we do now, is to,""" start="00:15:43.241" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's get the row value.""" start="00:15:46.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we no longer need that.""" start="00:15:48.640" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe we can do something like that.""" start="00:15:51.760" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We create now HTML. In HTML, we want the body,""" start="00:15:54.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we want an h1 tag, and we are going to pass it""" start="00:16:04.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a title, and in the title,""" start="00:16:08.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is something that we let-bind here,""" start="00:16:10.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the value of the title,""" start="00:16:13.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we get it with `org-element-property`,""" start="00:16:15.600" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the `:raw-value`, so this is the property that we want,""" start="00:16:24.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so `raw-value`, and from which data we want that,""" start="00:16:29.760" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to page-tree. 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This is that title,""" start="00:16:46.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the value of that variable in that data structure.""" start="00:16:50.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, let's get those two properties.""" start="00:16:56.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do we get those two properties?""" start="00:17:00.320" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The same way, `:ONE:` that we call one, so raw-value,""" start="00:17:03.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we change that for `:ONE`, the other raw-value""" start="00:17:07.200" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for `:CUSTOM_ID`, we change the title for `custom-id`,""" start="00:17:11.640" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what we want now is for instance,""" start="00:17:19.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, h1 again, and org properties.""" start="00:17:23.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We add the org properties, and let's do a list,""" start="00:17:30.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another list, with li element, one,""" start="00:17:34.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we want that value, and that value will be""" start="00:17:39.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the value of the variable one.""" start="00:17:43.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can do that with also custom-id,""" start="00:17:45.760" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now, in the one that we have to save,""" start="00:17:52.480" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in one of our files, not like that,""" start="00:17:56.120" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we rebuild that, and we see""" start="00:17:59.440" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we can get those properties.""" start="00:18:03.200" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is super cool.""" start="00:18:05.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As we are dealing with data,""" start="00:18:07.000" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have the information of the whole website,""" start="00:18:09.160" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can do whatever we want,""" start="00:18:11.720" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we have access to that data.""" start="00:18:14.040" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's, for instance, add a date, the date of 2023,""" start="00:18:16.600" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I think this is 02, when there is the conference, see,""" start="00:18:23.840" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can get access to that `one` again,""" start="00:18:28.320" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here, so `date`, and we go,""" start="00:18:32.760" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we change the `:CUSTOM_ID` with the `:DATE`,""" start="00:18:37.955" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in the list here,""" start="00:18:42.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we want in the list, this to be the date,""" start="00:18:46.640" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we build again that,""" start="00:18:53.360" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have access to the date.""" start="00:18:56.560" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really, we can do whatever we want.""" start="00:18:58.800" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Rendering content""" start="00:19:03.200" video="mainVideo-one" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now, we want the content. 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So hi again everyone.""" start="00:00:12.360" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi Tony, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:15.060" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Really well, and you?""" start="00:00:17.040" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I am doing fantastically,""" start="00:00:19.440" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as fantastically as I can be doing,""" start="00:00:21.380" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""having to put out fire in the background""" start="00:00:24.099" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Cool!""" start="00:00:30.140" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: during MaxConf. But I'm doing great! 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And before,""" start="00:26:51.940" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so right now we're gonna go on a lunch break.""" start="00:26:54.280" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll be back in about 40 minutes for the""" start="00:26:56.140" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk called Emacs Turbocharges My Writing.""" start="00:26:58.660" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will not tell you more.""" start="00:27:01.300" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can look at the talk page to see a little""" start="00:27:02.540" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit of a synopsis but otherwise keep the""" start="00:27:04.280" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""surprise. So have a good lunch or have a good""" start="00:27:06.340" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dinner if you are in dinner-friendly times""" start="00:27:08.900" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will see you afterwards.""" start="00:27:11.880" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you again, Tony.""" start="00:27:13.180" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: See you.""" start="00:27:14.860" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Let me just close everything.""" start="00:27:17.960" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, got it. OK,""" start="00:27:29.080" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thank you so much, Tony.""" start="00:27:30.480" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just had to clear everything up on the""" start="00:27:31.400" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream. I'm going to need to...""" start="00:27:33.520" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry. I'm going to stop.""" start="00:27:36.160" video="qanda-one" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [tony@tonyaldon.com](mailto:tony@tonyaldon.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20one%3A%20one.el%3A%20the%20static%20site%20generator%20for%20Emacs%20Lisp%20Programmers) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/one-before.md b/2023/info/one-before.md index 82e0c9b6..5c64f269 100644 --- a/2023/info/one-before.md +++ b/2023/info/one-before.md @@ -1,14 +1,32 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> -one.el is a static site generator with no dependencies in any external static site generator, using an Org file with headlines and properties. In this talk, we'll look at how to get started with one.el and write a a simple blog as an example. - [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 23-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings + + + + +# Talk +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-one"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-one" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:24.000 Documentation +02:02.200 Starting a new project +02:27.400 Building +03:19.760 Side by side +04:32.160 Writing a render function +05:44.680 New page +06:41.720 Linking between pages +08:40.000 CSS +10:23.160 How to write a render function +19:03.200 Rendering content +20:37.160 Rendering CSS +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 22:18 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-one">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=62b4e0d50b581001f2d6526461e9ffb754b38371-1701534084270">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main.opus">Download --main.opus (14MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--main.webm">Download --main.webm (54MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/x2yYYWLHQe75FTV8sWiDmy">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGP2mxZn4mY">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> +# Q&A +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-one"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-one--oneel-the-static-site-generator-for-emacs-lisp-programmers--tony-aldon--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/one-nav.md b/2023/info/one-nav.md index 2160cad5..2fe56716 100644 --- a/2023/info/one-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/one-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/taming">Taming things with Org Mode</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/table">Who needs Excel? Managing your students qualifications with org-table</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/writing">Emacs turbo-charges my writing</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/overlay-after.md b/2023/info/overlay-after.md index bffd3ef2..3d710d06 100644 --- a/2023/info/overlay-after.md +++ b/2023/info/overlay-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,677 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20overlay%3A%20Improving%20compiler%20diagnostics%20with%20Overlays) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="overlay-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Jeff Trull, and today I'm going to talk to you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about improving C++ compiler diagnostics""" start="00:00:04.898" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using overlays and other features from Emacs.""" start="00:00:08.460" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First an overview of my talk.""" start="00:00:13.600" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to cover what overlays are""" start="00:00:15.840" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how you can use them in code,""" start="00:00:17.657" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm going to talk about C++""" start="00:00:19.326" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and why its compiler errors can be so onerous.""" start="00:00:21.479" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, we'll take that information""" start="00:00:24.480" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and build a new minor mode""" start="00:00:26.751" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using overlays and other Emacs features.""" start="00:00:28.448" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Overlays and what they can do""" start="00:00:33.560" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First of all, overlays.""" start="00:00:33.560" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What are they?""" start="00:00:35.520" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are objects consisting of a buffer range""" start="00:00:36.680" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a set of properties.""" start="00:00:39.125" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That means that they cover a region in a buffer.""" start="00:00:40.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The properties can be a certain set""" start="00:00:43.120" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of special property names,""" start="00:00:45.534" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which case they can be used to cause""" start="00:00:47.345" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""special effects in the buffer,""" start="00:00:50.289" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they never change the underlying text.""" start="00:00:52.570" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use them for things like hiding things.""" start="00:00:55.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, overlays are working right now""" start="00:00:59.900" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this window. `org-present`,""" start="00:01:02.887" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the technology I'm using for this presentation,""" start="00:01:04.661" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is hiding the asterisk before every headline,""" start="00:01:07.596" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as the things called emphasis markers;""" start="00:01:10.032" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is, those things that make things look""" start="00:01:12.521" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""monospaced for verbatim, or italic, or bold.""" start="00:01:16.270" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The special characters we use to mark off those sections""" start="00:01:20.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are also hidden by `org-present` using overlays.""" start="00:01:24.422" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But those things are still in the buffer""" start="00:01:28.940" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they're still visible to code.""" start="00:01:30.602" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I run this little snippet of code down here,""" start="00:01:31.980" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's going to go up to the headline "Overlays""" start="00:01:34.922" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what they can do," and it's going to tell us""" start="00:01:37.404" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's there in the buffer.""" start="00:01:40.052" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go down and run this.""" start="00:01:41.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So according to this code, the contents of the buffer""" start="00:01:45.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the left of the headline is a star in a space,""" start="00:01:48.958" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means that even though we can't see that star,""" start="00:01:51.991" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's still there, because it's hidden by an overlay.""" start="00:01:55.205" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's kind of the essence of what overlays are.""" start="00:01:58.220" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Simple overlay example - creating an overlay""" start="00:02:02.500" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's do a simple overlay example.""" start="00:02:02.500" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have some text on the right here,""" start="00:02:04.780" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a famous poem by William Carlos Williams,""" start="00:02:06.720" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has been the subject of many memes.""" start="00:02:09.340" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's create an overlay that covers it.""" start="00:02:12.180" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll go down here and use this snippet of code here.""" start="00:02:17.860" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll go up to the top, and we'll mark everything""" start="00:02:20.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between `#+BEGIN_VERSE` and `#+END_VERSE`.""" start="00:02:25.919" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see we've created an overlay""" start="00:02:29.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from position 74 to 224.""" start="00:02:33.277" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Adding properties""" start="00:02:35.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now we can take that overlay that we already created""" start="00:02:35.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add a property, in this case a `face` property,""" start="00:02:38.064" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to change the appearance of the text.""" start="00:02:41.212" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a poem, and it's currently using""" start="00:02:43.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a face that is monospaced,""" start="00:02:46.280" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so it looks like a computer program,""" start="00:02:48.084" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it's a poem.""" start="00:02:50.492" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it would be nicer to use something""" start="00:02:51.900" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with variable-width font, maybe with some serifs.""" start="00:02:54.586" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's give that a try.""" start="00:02:57.980" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now you can see that the poem looks quite a bit different.""" start="00:03:01.140" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks more like what we'd see in a book.""" start="00:03:03.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Deleting an overlay""" start="00:03:10.940" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We can also delete overlays.""" start="00:03:10.940" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I've named this one.""" start="00:03:13.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can just go down and run `delete-overlay`""" start="00:03:15.140" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get rid of it, and it'll go back to""" start="00:03:17.766" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the appearance it had before.""" start="00:03:20.049" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there it is.""" start="00:03:22.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's back to normal.""" start="00:03:23.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Setting fonts the right way""" start="00:03:24.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now, if you're interested in changing all of the verses""" start="00:03:24.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside an Org Mode file to a different face""" start="00:03:28.474" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a different font family,""" start="00:03:31.109" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this isn't the way you'd really do it.""" start="00:03:32.786" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll just show you that real quick.""" start="00:03:35.060" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The right way is probably to change the `org-verse` face,""" start="00:03:37.520" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the face used for all of the verse blocks""" start="00:03:43.472" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inside your Org Mode file.""" start="00:03:48.869" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so this is how you do it here:""" start="00:03:51.620" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`face-remap-add-relative`.""" start="00:03:55.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's give it a try.""" start="00:03:56.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It worked!""" start="00:03:58.340" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""More properties""" start="00:03:59.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There are more advanced things that you can do""" start="00:03:59.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other than just changing fonts.""" start="00:04:01.806" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a whole long list of them in the manual,""" start="00:04:03.300" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but let's talk about the ones we're going to use today.""" start="00:04:05.544" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Visibility""" start="00:04:12.580" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can make text invisible, just like `org-present` did.""" start="00:04:12.580" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The simplest way is to set the `invisible` property to true,""" start="00:04:17.380" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so here's a code snippet that will do that.""" start="00:04:21.820" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What we're going to do is""" start="00:04:24.500" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""go and find the word "plums" inside the poem,""" start="00:04:26.160" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we're going to make it invisible""" start="00:04:28.967" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by creating an overlay that covers it,""" start="00:04:31.285" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then setting the invisible property to true.""" start="00:04:33.437" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Boom!""" start="00:04:36.820" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's gone.""" start="00:04:37.940" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've eaten the plums.""" start="00:04:38.940" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Visibility is a huge topic and very complicated.""" start="00:04:39.940" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are powerful mechanisms for using it.""" start="00:04:42.180" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I suggest reading the manual""" start="00:04:44.220" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you'd like to know more about that.""" start="00:04:46.627" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Adding text""" start="00:04:49.780" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another thing we can do with properties""" start="00:04:49.780" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to add text either before or after an overlay.""" start="00:04:52.118" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since we've made the word "plums" invisible,""" start="00:04:54.980" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or anything that you make invisible in the buffer,""" start="00:04:57.348" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you add text then afterwards,""" start="00:05:00.575" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it looks like you've replaced the original words""" start="00:05:02.663" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with new words.""" start="00:05:05.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's add a property, a `before-string` property,""" start="00:05:08.220" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the overlay that we used before""" start="00:05:12.047" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make it seem as though we're eating cherries""" start="00:05:14.194" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of plums.""" start="00:05:17.138" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Boom!""" start="00:05:18.180" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There it is.""" start="00:05:19.580" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's how you can replace words using overlays.""" start="00:05:22.020" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Custom properties""" start="00:05:27.820" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can also have custom properties""" start="00:05:27.820" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you name and then use yourself.""" start="00:05:29.761" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you can use it to mark regions in the buffer.""" start="00:05:31.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use it to add information""" start="00:05:35.320" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to regions in the buffer for your own tracking""" start="00:05:38.009" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a minor mode or something like that, which we will use.""" start="00:05:41.180" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Notes on properties""" start="00:05:45.380" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Finally, two notes on properties.""" start="00:05:45.380" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've been talking about overlay properties,""" start="00:05:49.620" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there's also something called text properties.""" start="00:05:51.951" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Text properties are attached to text in a buffer.""" start="00:05:54.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When you copy that text, the properties come along with it.""" start="00:05:57.460" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you modify the properties,""" start="00:06:00.900" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the buffer is considered modified.""" start="00:06:03.057" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode makes heavy use of text properties,""" start="00:06:05.500" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as we can see by running this little code snippet here,""" start="00:06:08.460" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is going to tell us the properties""" start="00:06:11.678" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the string attached""" start="00:06:14.060" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the "Some poetry" headline on the right.""" start="00:06:16.566" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also some controversy regarding performance.""" start="00:06:20.740" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It may be that text properties""" start="00:06:23.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perform better than overlay properties,""" start="00:06:25.521" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so do some research""" start="00:06:27.860" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're going to make heavy use of them.""" start="00:06:28.893" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I prefer overlays because they're just easier to use.""" start="00:06:31.060" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Improving C++ compiler output""" start="00:06:36.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""C++ compiler output.""" start="00:06:36.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my day job is C++ programmer,""" start="00:06:37.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and although I've been an Emacser for many years,""" start="00:06:41.171" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can be a little bit of a chore dealing with errors.""" start="00:06:46.561" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The error messages that come out of the compiler""" start="00:06:52.860" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be pretty hard to understand.""" start="00:06:55.681" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This has often been a barrier,""" start="00:06:57.580" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly for people who are new to C++.""" start="00:07:00.538" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's see what that's like.""" start="00:07:04.640" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have an example""" start="00:07:09.040" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is generously supplied by Ben Deane of Intel.""" start="00:07:10.560" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's see what it looks like""" start="00:07:14.780" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you compile a C++ program""" start="00:07:17.083" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has a difficult error in it.""" start="00:07:19.314" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:07:24.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:07:28.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see we have a lot of fairly verbose messages.""" start="00:07:31.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The most verbose one I think is probably here.""" start="00:07:35.680" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This one here.""" start="00:07:39.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are pretty bad.""" start="00:07:41.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there might be bigger ones.""" start="00:07:42.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah. Here we go.""" start="00:07:43.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's my favorite one.""" start="00:07:43.721" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see... Let's look for specialization... Basically,""" start="00:07:44.961" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this whole section of the buffer here,""" start="00:07:51.064" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is specifying the specific types""" start="00:07:55.179" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a function template was instantiated with.""" start="00:07:58.229" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's a lot there.""" start="00:08:02.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you're trying to figure out""" start="00:08:04.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's wrong with your program""" start="00:08:05.474" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're looking at something like this,""" start="00:08:06.818" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can be really, really hard to understand.""" start="00:08:08.885" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:08:11.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Back to our presentation.""" start="00:08:12.000" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The problem with C++ error messages""" start="00:08:17.680" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So it's often this way in C++""" start="00:08:17.680" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we compose types from other types.""" start="00:08:20.064" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They can be long to begin with,""" start="00:08:23.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then a couple of other factors come into play.""" start="00:08:26.217" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Many standard class templates have default arguments""" start="00:08:30.240" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First of all, we can have default template arguments.""" start="00:08:30.240" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are arguments you didn't write,""" start="00:08:33.280" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that are implicitly there""" start="00:08:35.364" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can sometimes refer""" start="00:08:37.009" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the arguments that you did write,""" start="00:08:38.326" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which causes them to get a bit bigger,""" start="00:08:40.301" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as these allocator arguments here and here.""" start="00:08:42.441" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Some types are aliases for longer things, too""" start="00:08:47.520" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then there are type aliases.""" start="00:08:47.520" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, `std::string` here expands to""" start="00:08:49.360" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a type with three template arguments.""" start="00:08:54.015" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can imagine, when we combine""" start="00:08:58.320" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those two things together,""" start="00:09:01.941" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our simple vector of maps from strings to ints""" start="00:09:04.734" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And types are built recursively,""" start="00:09:32.280" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore the types can--""" start="00:09:34.431" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the correct exact name for the type""" start="00:09:36.647" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can just be really huge""" start="00:09:40.514" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have many levels and layers to it.""" start="00:09:42.777" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when I was trying to understand""" start="00:09:46.360" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the things I'd done wrong,""" start="00:09:48.114" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially when I was a newer C++ programmer,""" start="00:09:49.467" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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I found an old manual from 1981,""" start="00:10:55.800" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the two major modes that they recommended""" start="00:10:58.945" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or that they actually documented in the manual were""" start="00:11:02.160" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one, assembly language, and two, Lisp.""" start="00:11:05.766" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They mentioned that there were other modes,""" start="00:11:08.400" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they didn't say anything about them.""" start="00:11:10.653" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Lisp is something""" start="00:11:12.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a really long history with Emacs.""" start="00:11:14.626" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] 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video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using `before-string`s, so the same thing""" start="00:11:58.013" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to add "cherries" into the poem.""" start="00:12:00.200" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can use that to insert new lines""" start="00:12:03.440" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by indentation""" start="00:12:06.612" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and produce a much nicer-looking listing of a type.""" start="00:12:08.726" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can also use the `invisible` property""" start="00:12:15.160" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hide unwanted detail.""" start="00:12:19.642" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Create a minor mode that 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depth 1, and the other is of depth 2,""" start="00:16:54.980" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes sense, because depth 1 is going to be""" start="00:16:57.781" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from about here to here,""" start="00:17:00.602" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and depth 2 is going to be from about here to this area.""" start="00:17:02.012" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's reasonable that there should be two,""" start="00:17:07.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's what we expect.""" start="00:17:10.830" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hiding to a target depth""" start="00:17:12.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now that we've marked the nested types with their depths,""" 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start="00:17:40.020" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Depth 2.""" start="00:17:42.020" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, that hid everything under the `std::map`,""" start="00:17:43.020" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the deepest level.""" start="00:17:46.006" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we make it 1, we should get a level higher than that.""" start="00:17:47.260" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now level 1 and below are hidden.""" start="00:17:52.140" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now if we put it back to 3, it should reveal everything.""" start="00:17:54.540" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's what we're going to use in our minor mode.""" start="00:17:59.660" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +<div 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the line breaks and the indentation.""" start="00:18:17.850" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's also going to add overlays""" start="00:18:20.420" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that mark up the nested types""" start="00:18:22.207" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the depths for each region.""" start="00:18:23.881" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's add the hook for `tspew-mode`.""" start="00:18:26.220" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we can compile again.""" start="00:18:31.580" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, we can already see""" start="00:18:38.220" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that these things are formatted a little bit better""" start="00:18:41.504" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than they were 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is often compared unfavorably""" start="00:20:25.700" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to newer IDEs and editors with slicker user interfaces.""" start="00:20:27.979" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What Emacs has that they don't is powerful abstractions,""" start="00:20:32.220" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tons of libraries, and decades of work""" start="00:20:36.387" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by some of the luminaries in the field of software.""" start="00:20:38.863" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that this project would have been much harder to do""" start="00:20:42.100" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a prettier but less powerful environment.""" start="00:20:45.344" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In short, there's plenty of hope for Emacs.""" start="00:20:48.020" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:20:50.860" video="mainVideo-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="overlay-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Out here or also you can continue discussing""" start="00:00:02.899" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on IRC.""" start="00:00:06.200" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I see 2 questions coming in already on the""" start="00:00:23.200" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad. 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Someone's asking for ligatures.""" start="00:02:15.880" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have any questions,""" start="00:02:23.420" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ben? Charles?""" start="00:02:26.100" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I see a bunch on the path that I can read for""" start="00:02:35.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah, please do.""" start="00:02:36.980" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: now. Sure. 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Can you show us the key bindings""" start="00:04:07.240" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your minor map for editing overlays?""" start="00:04:08.940" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I have a minor mode key map for""" start="00:04:15.860" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""increasing or decreasing the level of detail.""" start="00:04:21.720" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the key bindings are like,""" start="00:04:24.640" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't remember what it is.""" start="00:04:31.840" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you go and you look at the source on""" start="00:04:34.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GitHub, you can see it there.""" start="00:04:35.640" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I forgot what I bound them to.""" start="00:04:37.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something that I'm allowed to do.""" start="00:04:40.320" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have restrictions on what key bindings""" start="00:04:45.860" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can make in minor modes.""" start="00:04:47.200" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I carefully followed the directions.""" start="00:04:49.300" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't remember what it was.""" start="00:04:50.580" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like Control-C-P or something like that.""" start="00:04:54.220" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or yeah. 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That's 1 of the features""" start="00:07:32.680" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you get, which has been around for literally""" start="00:07:36.160" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""decades. Oh, yeah. Is it already there?""" start="00:07:41.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, it's already there.""" start="00:07:42.240" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Do we have anything on IRC?""" start="00:07:45.960" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me see. OK, looks like it seems like""" start="00:07:56.680" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we've run out of questions.""" start="00:07:58.000" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that true?""" start="00:07:58.860" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, it seems so. It seems so,""" start="00:08:04.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""although we still have a couple more minutes,""" start="00:08:06.820" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like maybe 3, 4 minutes on the stream.""" start="00:08:09.000" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah. And then, of course,""" start="00:08:13.780" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once the stream does move on to the next""" start="00:08:15.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. Folks are welcome to join Jeff here on""" start="00:08:19.120" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BigBlueButton. 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Like at the end,""" start="00:08:48.900" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's some links and stuff like that.""" start="00:08:50.860" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever you see like a underlined thing in""" start="00:08:54.620" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my presentation, it's like I was kind of""" start="00:08:56.840" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thinking people would have access to the""" start="00:08:58.520" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual presentation itself so they could go""" start="00:09:00.920" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see what it was I was linking to some PDF""" start="00:09:04.640" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somewhere. How annoying is this for multiple""" start="00:09:07.540" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilers? It's annoying,""" start="00:09:09.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ben. I basically have separate parsers for""" start="00:09:15.620" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clang and GCC, and I'm not supporting MSVC at""" start="00:09:18.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the moment. So yeah, that's where I do worry""" start="00:09:23.540" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about its fragility, about the way I'm kind""" start="00:09:26.520" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of parsing these error messages,""" start="00:09:27.720" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are idiosyncratic.""" start="00:09:29.340" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, great. Thank you,""" start="00:09:38.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Amin. That's good. Should just follow that""" start="00:09:49.060" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""link, I guess.""" start="00:09:49.600" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well, yeah, it's so that you have to scroll""" start="00:09:56.420" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""down a little bit underneath the video""" start="00:09:59.020" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""embedding itself. There's timestamps.""" start="00:10:00.460" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then below the timestamps,""" start="00:10:01.880" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see a bunch of links,""" start="00:10:03.240" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including 1 that says download.org.""" start="00:10:06.140" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, let's see what that is.""" start="00:10:09.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is that the right 1? Yeah,""" start="00:10:13.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's it. That's the 1.""" start="00:10:14.780" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you can also see all of my hacks to Org""" start="00:10:19.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Present are in there as well.""" start="00:10:20.740" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I followed the System Crafters thing and made""" start="00:10:25.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bunch of my own modifications.""" start="00:10:27.160" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Present has this problem where every""" start="00:10:33.120" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""heading is a slide, which I don't like.""" start="00:10:35.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I kind of want hierarchy.""" start="00:10:37.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know? Oh, no. Sorry.""" start="00:10:41.040" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every level 1 heading is a slide.""" start="00:10:43.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I kind of want hierarchy among the""" start="00:10:46.360" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slides. And I had to sort of invent it in""" start="00:10:51.440" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that system myself through navigation.""" start="00:10:54.320" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks like things have quieted down.""" start="00:11:03.800" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shall we call it?""" start="00:11:09.520" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, sure. So yeah, thanks again for the""" start="00:11:14.020" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great talk, Jeff. And also to the audience""" start="00:11:17.780" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for questions and discussions.""" start="00:11:18.960" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People are welcome to stay here on BBB if""" start="00:11:21.720" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jeff has time to continue the discussions and""" start="00:11:24.060" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask any questions they might have.""" start="00:11:25.320" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, yeah, we can wrap it.""" start="00:11:26.820" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure. Thank you so much.""" start="00:11:29.200" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I love this conference.""" start="00:11:30.400" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've been a happy attendee since like 2015 or""" start="00:11:33.900" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something. So yeah, it's great.""" start="00:11:36.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your work.""" start="00:11:37.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you. Cheers. I mean,""" start="00:11:41.040" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in large part, thanks to awesome people like""" start="00:11:43.080" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you who give these amazing talks.""" start="00:11:44.280" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Thank you as well.""" start="00:11:45.420" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You are currently the only person in this""" start="00:14:30.260" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference.""" start="00:14:30.460" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You""" start="00:21:15.260" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1""" start="00:21:37.760" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 1 3 4 1 2 4 1 1 3 4 1 1 2""" start="00:22:23.260" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""3 3 4 1 2 1""" start="00:22:28.100" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You""" start="00:24:41.445" video="qanda-overlay" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20overlay%3A%20Improving%20compiler%20diagnostics%20with%20overlays) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/overlay-before.md b/2023/info/overlay-before.md index 376dee32..8c8f8611 100644 --- a/2023/info/overlay-before.md +++ b/2023/info/overlay-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,46 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 21-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-overlay"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-overlay" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:33.560 Overlays and what they can do +02:02.500 Simple overlay example - creating an overlay +02:35.700 Adding properties +03:10.940 Deleting an overlay +03:24.660 Setting fonts the right way +03:59.540 More properties +04:12.580 Visibility +04:49.780 Adding text +05:27.820 Custom properties +05:45.380 Notes on properties +06:36.100 Improving C++ compiler output +08:17.680 The problem with C++ error messages +08:30.240 Many standard class templates have default arguments +08:47.520 Some types are aliases for longer things, too +09:20.960 Reporting type information accurately means long lines +10:18.240 Emacs can help - Treat C++ type names as just another kind of balanced expression +11:49.320 Add overlays to improve readability +12:22.400 Create a minor mode that runs during compilation +12:59.500 Parsing types as balanced expressions +14:16.100 Indent and fill with overlays - Use ancient "pretty printing" algorithms" +14:52.260 Overlays can mimic line breaks and indentation +15:14.520 Hiding details - Marking depths with overlays +17:12.660 Hiding to a target depth +18:04.900 Demo +20:10.220 Conclusion + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 20:57 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-overlay">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=57788b1709264f016c76ee375746aab6fdcba006-1701539189569">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--expr_depth.svg">Download --expr_depth.svg</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.opus">Download --main.opus (15MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--main.webm">Download --main.webm (63MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--testdata.org">Download --testdata.org</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull.org">Download .org</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/5fJkawU4R9b1dJq5BcDykx">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7mwN5QtcmA">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-overlay"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-overlay-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 11:48 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-overlay">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=57788b1709264f016c76ee375746aab6fdcba006-1701539189569">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (12MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-overlay--improving-compiler-diagnostics-with-overlays--jeff-trull--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (20MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/overlay-nav.md b/2023/info/overlay-nav.md index ba04cc37..d06b5a15 100644 --- a/2023/info/overlay-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/overlay-nav.md @@ -3,5 +3,5 @@ Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/llm">LLM clients in Emacs, functionality and standardization</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eval">Editor Integrated REPL Driven Development for all languages</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/parallel-after.md b/2023/info/parallel-after.md index 9ddca34b..77006241 100644 --- a/2023/info/parallel-after.md +++ b/2023/info/parallel-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,597 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hokomo@airmail.cc](mailto:hokomo@airmail.cc?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20parallel%3A%20Parallel%20Text%20Replacement%3A%20Does%20P%20%3D%20NP%3F) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="parallel-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi everyone!""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Welcome to our talk on Parallel Text Replacement.""" start="00:00:01.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My name is Lovro, and I'll be telling you about an""" start="00:00:04.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting problem that my friend Valentino and I""" start="00:00:07.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set out to solve one afternoon.""" start="00:00:09.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will describe the problem, take a look at some""" start="00:00:11.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the existing work and then present our solution.""" start="00:00:13.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Afterwards, we will show some demos and conclude""" start="00:00:16.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a quick overview of the implementation.""" start="00:00:19.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's get straight into it!""" start="00:00:21.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Goal""" start="00:00:23.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Here is a problem that most of us have dealt with""" start="00:00:23.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at some point.""" start="00:00:25.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Assume we have a piece of code such as the following.""" start="00:00:27.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use a code example here, but in general what we're""" start="00:00:29.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about to discuss can be applied to any piece of text.""" start="00:00:32.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After a bit of thinking, we decide that the names of""" start="00:00:35.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the two variables, "foo" and "bar", should actually be""" start="00:00:37.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swapped.""" start="00:00:39.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, "foo" should be 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+[[!template text="""code to edit by hand.""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have no other option than to automate the task.""" start="00:01:00.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More importantly though, we have a whole programmable""" start="00:01:03.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text editor right at our fingertips.""" start="00:01:06.120" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We should object to doing things that the computer""" start="00:01:08.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can do for us.""" start="00:01:10.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Naive Multi-pass""" start="00:01:12.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, one way to automate it is by using our old friend""" start="00:01:12.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query-replace (M-%) multiple times in a sequence.""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We first do a pass where we replace "foo" with "bar",""" start="00:01:19.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we do another pass where we replace "bar" with "foo".""" start="00:01:22.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that's clearly not right.""" start="00:01:25.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all know that this naive multi-pass approach""" start="00:01:26.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't work because it results in interference""" start="00:01:29.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the two replacements.""" start="00:01:31.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Clever Multi-pass""" start="00:01:34.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Instead, we have to be a bit more clever.""" start="00:01:34.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We should first replace "foo" with a temporary string,""" start="00:01:36.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this case "oof", that we will call a "token".""" start="00:01:39.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To avoid interference, we must be careful to ensure""" start="00:01:42.120" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the token does not contain whatever we're about""" start="00:01:45.480" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to replace next.""" start="00:01:48.120" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we do a second pass to replace "bar" with "foo",""" start="00:01:49.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and finally a third pass to replace the token with "bar".""" start="00:01:52.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This gives us the result we want.""" start="00:01:56.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Terminology""" start="00:01:57.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Putting the implementation aside for a moment, this style""" start="00:01:57.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of text replacement, where we replace multiple sources""" start="00:02:01.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with their targets, without running into interference""" start="00:02:05.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""issues between replacement pairs, is what we call""" start="00:02:09.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a "parallel replacement".""" start="00:02:11.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the essence of the problem we're trying to solve.""" start="00:02:12.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The examples with swapping that we've shown so far""" start="00:02:16.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are really just one of the many use cases that are""" start="00:02:18.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supported by a general parallel replacement utility.""" start="00:02:21.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To avoid confusion, let us clarify that the word "parallel"""" start="00:02:25.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not in reference to hardware parallelization, but""" start="00:02:28.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather comes from analogy with the Lisp let operator,""" start="00:02:31.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the bindings of variables are performed in parallel,""" start="00:02:34.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than sequentially as in let*.""" start="00:02:38.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Parallel in this context means that none of the bindings""" start="00:02:40.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are in scope within any of the initial value forms.""" start="00:02:43.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In other words, just like a let's initialization form""" start="00:02:46.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cannot refer to any of the earlier bindings, a""" start="00:02:50.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacement pair's source should not be able to replace""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the previously substituted targets of any other pair.""" start="00:02:56.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what we mean by "no interference".""" start="00:03:00.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Problem: Scaling Multi-pass""" start="00:03:04.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""However, manually invoking multiple carefully chosen""" start="00:03:04.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query-replace commands gets old very quickly.""" start="00:03:08.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Say we scaled up the problem and wanted to perform n""" start="00:03:11.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swaps instead of just two, e.g. to swap, or rather,""" start="00:03:14.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rotate, "foo" to "bar", "bar" to "baz", "baz" to "quux"""" start="00:03:18.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "quux" to "foo".""" start="00:03:22.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We would first have to perform n - 1 additional""" start="00:03:23.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacements to introduce the necessary tokens,""" start="00:03:26.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""effectively doubling the number of steps.""" start="00:03:29.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even if we tried to automate this, think about what""" start="00:03:32.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solution: Single-pass""" start="00:03:55.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Yes we can!""" start="00:03:55.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can actually perform just a single pass.""" start="00:03:56.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The trick is to alternate between the replacement""" start="00:03:59.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pairs, replacing whichever source occurs the earliest,""" start="00:04:02.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and making sure to continue scanning after the end""" start="00:04:06.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the substituted target in order to avoid interference.""" start="00:04:08.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This interleaving of replacements is not something""" start="00:04:12.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's easy to do by hand with query-replace.""" start="00:04:14.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solution: Existing""" start="00:04:18.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Since this is Emacs we're talking about, of course""" start="00:04:18.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there already exist solutions that implement this idea.""" start="00:04:20.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are few that we could find.""" start="00:04:23.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The EmacsWiki has a page dedicated to this problem.""" start="00:04:25.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stack Overflow has an old post where a couple of""" start="00:04:28.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""users provided their solutions.""" start="00:04:31.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mastering Emacs also gives a method along with other""" start="00:04:33.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting query-replace-regexp (C-M-%) patterns.""" start="00:04:36.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More recently, Tony Zorman made a blogpost providing""" start="00:04:39.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a solution with an interface based on query-replace.""" start="00:04:42.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I encourage you to take a look at these solutions if""" start="00:04:45.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're interested in the details.""" 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""swaps rather than general parallel replacements.""" start="00:05:09.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Three, they don't provide any sort of interactivity""" start="00:05:12.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during replacement and instead perform it in one shot.""" start="00:05:15.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Four, they don't attempt to integrate with the familiar""" start="00:05:18.620" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query-replace interface, which supports skipping, undo,""" start="00:05:21.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""history and more advanced features like Lisp expressions""" start="00:05:25.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and recursive query edits.""" start="00:05:28.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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replacement.""" start="00:05:51.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses the backslash-comma Lisp expression feature""" start="00:05:54.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to choose the appropriate target to substitute.""" start="00:05:57.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aside from being very clumsy and tedious to write out,""" start="00:06:01.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this approach makes it really hard to use more complex""" start="00:06:03.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regular expressions that make use of capture groups""" start="00:06:06.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""themselves.""" start="00:06:09.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This was the biggest limitation that we wanted""" start="00:06:10.800" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get rid of and the main motivation for our work.""" start="00:06:12.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, as an alternative to the existing zoo of 80% solutions,""" start="00:06:15.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we aim to provide a 100% solution, one that handles""" start="00:06:19.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regexes and consolidates all of the existing ideas""" start="00:06:24.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a single package.""" start="00:06:27.120" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solution: query-replace-parallel""" start="00:06:29.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We call it query-replace-parallel.""" start="00:06:29.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The package is free and open-source and can currently""" start="00:06:31.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be found on GitHub under hokomo/query-replace-parallel.""" start="00:06:34.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The name is not yet finalized and we're open to any""" start="00:06:37.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suggestions.""" start="00:06:40.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We hope to get it published on an Elisp""" start="00:06:41.503" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package archive in the near future, but for now you""" start="00:06:43.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can just download and load the main Elisp file manually.""" start="00:06:45.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With all of that said, 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pressing enter with empty input.""" start="00:07:27.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At this point, everything functions the same as in""" start="00:07:29.860" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a standard query-replace invocation.""" start="00:07:32.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The echo area shows the match and the replacement""" start="00:07:35.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're about to make.""" start="00:07:37.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can perform replacements,""" start="00:07:38.703" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""undo them,""" start="00:07:43.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""skip them,""" start="00:07:46.503" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""execute them until the end,""" start="00:07:49.203" 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query-replace-parallel-regexp""" start="00:08:05.536" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we want to work with regex instead of literal""" start="00:08:08.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""strings.""" start="00:08:11.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to achieve two things.""" start="00:08:12.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, we want to wrap all usages of the variable n""" start="00:08:13.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the natvar macro.""" start="00:08:16.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using the backslash-less-than and blackslash-greater-than""" start="00:08:18.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""constructs allows us to only match letters n not""" start="00:08:21.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demonstration: Regex""" start="00:08:48.700" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We now take a look at a more complicated regex""" start="00:08:48.700" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""example to demonstrate that even advanced query-replace""" start="00:08:51.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""features are supported.""" start="00:08:53.680" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each "foo" and "bar" in this example is followed by""" start="00:08:55.100" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a number.""" start="00:08:57.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The goal is to not only swap "foo" and "bar", but""" start="00:08:58.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also increase or decrease the corresponding number.""" start="00:09:01.380" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We first match "foo" and capture the number that""" start="00:09:03.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""follows it.""" start="00:09:06.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the target, we make use of the backslash-comma""" start="00:09:07.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp expression feature in order to replace the""" start="00:09:10.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""match with "bar" followed by the number's successor.""" start="00:09:12.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do the same thing for "bar", except that we""" start="00:09:15.540" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replace the number with its predecessor.""" start="00:09:17.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Performing the replacements, we can see how each""" start="00:09:27.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""number is incremented or decremented appropriately.""" start="00:09:29.120" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demonstration: Order""" start="00:09:36.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We haven't covered it explicitly so some of you may""" start="00:09:36.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be wondering how parallel replacement deals with""" start="00:09:38.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""overlapping matches and whether the order of the""" start="00:09:41.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacement pairs is significant.""" start="00:09:43.840" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This demo will clarify the exact behavior.""" start="00:09:45.480" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first example has the sources "watch" and "stopwatch".""" start="00:09:48.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Conceptually, the matches overlap, but the rule is""" start="00:09:57.500" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that matches are always processed earliest first,""" start="00:10:00.600" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of their length or the ordering of the pairs.""" start="00:10:03.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Therefore it is "stopwatch" that gets replaced,""" start="00:10:06.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not its substring "watch".""" start="00:10:09.080" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second example uses the sources "watch" and "watchword".""" start="00:10:16.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Both of the matches now conceptually start at the same""" start="00:10:19.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position.""" start="00:10:22.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In situations like these the order of the pairs does""" start="00:10:23.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""matter, and ties are broken by prefering the pair that""" start="00:10:26.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was entered first, which is behavior that is inherited""" start="00:10:29.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the Elisp regex engine.""" start="00:10:32.280" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, the substring "watch" in "watchword" is what gets""" 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id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The final demo tests the limits of the package and""" start="00:10:54.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shows that it fully integrates with query-replace.""" start="00:10:56.960" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is really just for fun and can even serve as a""" start="00:10:59.760" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""small Emacs brainteaser.""" start="00:11:03.040" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See if you can keep up!""" start="00:11:04.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We open a directory and enter Writable Dired mode""" start="00:11:06.360" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to rename the directories "foo" and "bar".""" start="00:11:09.160" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead of doing it quickly by hand, we 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory in order to perform the same kind of""" start="00:11:39.240" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""replacement on "baz" and "quux".""" start="00:11:42.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rather than save time, we decide to be extra lazy""" start="00:11:44.500" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and take the long route.""" start="00:11:47.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We recall the first pair and initiate a recursive""" start="00:11:48.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""invocation of query-replace-parallel-regexp.""" start="00:11:52.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are now replacing the replacement.""" start="00:11:54.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We apply our fixes and then do the same thing again""" 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is transformed into a standard replacement like this.""" start="00:12:54.400" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is similar to the trick shown earlier in the""" start="00:12:57.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation.""" start="00:13:00.200" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each source is put in its own capture group to allow""" start="00:13:00.880" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the replacement function to determine which one matched""" start="00:13:03.920" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and return the appropriate target.""" start="00:13:06.440" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, we now take care to support arbitrary""" start="00:13:08.980" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regular 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video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The regex transformation is reliable because it""" start="00:13:32.720" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uses the rx library, allowing us to treat regexes""" start="00:13:35.000" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as s-expressions and avoid any nasty manual parsing.""" start="00:13:38.520" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, rx itself is based on one of Olin Shivers'""" start="00:13:42.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""100% solutions:""" start="00:13:46.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SRE, or the S-expression regex notation.""" start="00:13:48.436" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all stand on the shoulders of many giants, so""" start="00:13:51.320" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Feel free to let us know about any interesting or""" start="00:14:32.460" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""crazy use cases you might come up with, as well as""" start="00:14:34.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improvements or bugs that make it only a 99% solution.""" start="00:14:37.560" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for listening and have a great EmacsConf!""" start="00:14:40.640" video="mainVideo-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="parallel-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:08.620" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello again, everyone.""" start="00:00:09.620" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And hi, Lovro. How are you doing?""" start="00:00:10.940" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Just a second. Should I join the other room?""" start="00:00:15.339" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh, no, no, you can stay here.""" start="00:00:18.460" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I can stay in the backstage.""" start="00:00:20.860" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Everything is fine. I don't think you are""" start="00:00:24.140" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""technically in the backstage right now you're""" start="00:00:25.520" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in Big Blue Button with us.""" start="00:00:26.750" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh thanks. Oh because I have 2 of them open I""" start="00:00:30.040" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thought there were 2 different rooms.""" start="00:00:30.920" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 is the backstage and the other,""" start="00:00:32.720" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: whichever, I can hear you and so can the""" start="00:00:38.239" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream, so don't worry too much about which""" start="00:00:39.840" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the backstage and which is the front page.""" start="00:00:41.140" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I have no idea. Well, great,""" start="00:00:41.540" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Okay, yeah. Yeah,""" start="00:00:43.660" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm doing great, just to answer your""" start="00:00:45.280" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question.""" start="00:00:45.480" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, great, great, Okay,""" start="00:00:47.379" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well splendid. So, I've pasted a link again""" start="00:00:49.900" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on IRC if you want to ask your questions,""" start="00:00:51.520" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd invite you to do so,""" start="00:00:53.000" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we have about 9 minutes of laborious""" start="00:00:54.620" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time to answer as many of them as possible.""" start="00:00:56.580" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm going to start with the first 1.""" start="00:00:58.360" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This looks great and was very well-presented.""" start="00:01:01.100" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have plans to upstream this""" start="00:01:03.240" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality into Emacs?""" start="00:01:04.239" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: That's a good idea. 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So definitely not a""" start="00:08:40.280" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prerequisite to have a degree or anything to""" start="00:08:42.240" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do any of this stuff. Okay so Coming back to""" start="00:08:45.480" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I'm going to amend a little bit the""" start="00:08:48.420" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question because we only have 1 minute.""" start="00:08:49.680" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So just 1 thing in 10 seconds,""" start="00:08:51.600" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: what did you""" start="00:08:52.490" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: learn about this?""" start="00:08:53.040" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: your last question. 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That's a lovely 1.""" start="00:09:09.920" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think, again, we're going back to the""" start="00:09:12.260" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""philosophy of Emacs. Everything is""" start="00:09:13.660" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programmable and even changing the message""" start="00:09:15.200" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""function is great. All right,""" start="00:09:16.640" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, thank you so much,""" start="00:09:17.440" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lovro, and thanks to Valentino as well,""" start="00:09:19.540" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's not here, but who's contributed to this""" start="00:09:21.820" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. Any last word?""" start="00:09:23.900" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, just if you're gonna build any""" start="00:09:29.540" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""solutions, try to make them as foolproof and""" start="00:09:31.980" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as 100% as possible so we get more of these""" start="00:09:34.360" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""goodies that are nice and robust for""" start="00:09:36.280" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everybody to use.""" start="00:09:37.000" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, lovely. Well,""" start="00:09:39.400" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much, Lover,""" start="00:09:40.240" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your presentation and your answer.""" start="00:09:41.940" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll be moving on to the next talk in just""" start="00:09:44.340" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about 5 seconds, and I'll see you after.""" start="00:09:47.260" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye, Lovro!""" start="00:09:47.900" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yep, bye bye!""" start="00:09:49.760" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So I'm just waiting to make sure my VNC is a""" start="00:10:01.440" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little slow. Okay, we switch to the next""" start="00:10:02.840" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk. All right, Lover,""" start="00:10:03.480" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna need to go get ready now.""" start="00:10:04.960" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep. Bye-bye, and thanks for your talk.""" start="00:10:09.060" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Bye, thank you, see you.""" start="00:10:11.160" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You""" start="00:10:15.060" video="qanda-parallel" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [hokomo@disroot.org](mailto:hokomo@disroot.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20parallel%3A%20Parallel%20text%20replacement) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/parallel-before.md b/2023/info/parallel-before.md index dd1bbe86..b8b4f3f2 100644 --- a/2023/info/parallel-before.md +++ b/2023/info/parallel-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,36 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](nil) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 15-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-parallel"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-parallel" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:23.440 Problem: Goal +01:12.360 Problem: Naive Multi-pass +01:34.200 Problem: Clever Multi-pass +01:57.720 Problem: Terminology +03:04.440 Problem: Scaling Multi-pass +03:55.920 Solution: Single-pass +04:18.240 Solution: Existing +06:29.080 Solution: query-replace-parallel +06:55.240 Demonstration: Swap +07:53.970 Demonstration: LaTeX +08:48.700 Demonstration: Regex +09:36.320 Demonstration: Order +10:54.440 Demonstration: Fun +12:29.120 Implementation +14:18.740 End + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 14:46 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-parallel">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=986da908da3b47da66e25ee3d0c4253749004ad5-1701613668042">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main-vp8.webm">Download --main-vp8.webm (95MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.opus">Download --main.opus</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--main.webm">Download --main.webm (29MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/t3G5zo35epS6HvVot9MdZv">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUbBIWOJFh4">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-parallel"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-parallel--parallel-text-replacement--lovro-valentino-picotti--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/parallel-nav.md b/2023/info/parallel-nav.md index 050fecf7..c1f1b543 100644 --- a/2023/info/parallel-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/parallel-nav.md @@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/koutline">Using Koutline for stream of thought journaling</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/poltys">The browser in a buffer</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eat">Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/poltys-after.md b/2023/info/poltys-after.md index 4a93ced4..7adf9ca7 100644 --- a/2023/info/poltys-after.md +++ b/2023/info/poltys-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [perma-curious@posteo.de](mailto:perma-curious@posteo.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20poltys%3A%20The%20browser%20in%20a%20buffer) +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [perma-curious@posteo.de](mailto:perma-curious@posteo.de?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20poltys%3A%20The%20browser%20in%20a%20buffer) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/poltys-before.md b/2023/info/poltys-before.md index 376dee32..7dbe2c8d 100644 --- a/2023/info/poltys-before.md +++ b/2023/info/poltys-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 35-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-poltys"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--main.webm" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 34:30 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-poltys">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=823df2a9c2b725271129cfe0301fcc7e631c2e63-1701617796009">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--main.opus">Download --main.opus (20MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-poltys--the-browser-in-a-buffer--michael-bauer--main.webm">Download --main.webm (185MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/1quXfJqC9bh9VxkA9UC21x">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6gaVjmKIU">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/poltys-nav.md b/2023/info/poltys-nav.md index 0f6ccde3..54de7074 100644 --- a/2023/info/poltys-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/poltys-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/parallel">Parallel Text Replacement: Does P = NP?</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eat">Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/cubing">Speedcubing in Emacs</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/ref-after.md b/2023/info/ref-after.md index 9a823b5f..2a145fdb 100644 --- a/2023/info/ref-after.md +++ b/2023/info/ref-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,285 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [christopher@librehacker.com](mailto:christopher@librehacker.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20ref%3A%20Org-Mode%20workflow%3A%20informal%20reference%20tracking) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="ref-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, this is Christopher Howard,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and welcome to my talk,""" start="00:00:04.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Informal Reference Tracking."""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a workflow talk,""" start="00:00:08.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I need to explain a little bit about""" start="00:00:10.574" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what my needs were.""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am not a professional scholar or academic,""" start="00:00:14.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are a number of subjects""" start="00:00:18.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm interested in,""" start="00:00:20.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I occasionally like to write""" start="00:00:21.607" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gemlog posts about them.""" start="00:00:23.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I needed some way to keep track of references.""" start="00:00:25.600" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""References to webpage articles, references to books,""" start="00:00:28.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pages in books, and notes about them.""" start="00:00:32.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something that was searchable,""" start="00:00:37.280" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also something that was quick and easy to use,""" start="00:00:39.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and something that I could set up quickly.""" start="00:00:42.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the approach I took, it only took me""" start="00:00:45.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about an hour or two to figure out""" start="00:00:47.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to put it together.""" start="00:00:49.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do want to emphasize""" start="00:00:52.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that there are better ways to do this.""" start="00:00:53.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not recommending you use my code""" start="00:00:56.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or follow my exact approach.""" start="00:00:58.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In particular, what I'm doing was meant to be done""" start="00:01:02.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Org's built-in capture""" start="00:01:05.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and templates functionality,""" start="00:01:09.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that's something that's more flexible,""" start="00:01:11.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programmable, and there's also a lot of add-ins""" start="00:01:14.907" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be tied into that.""" start="00:01:21.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, tools that allow you to search for,""" start="00:01:23.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, feed in a URL, and it automatically""" start="00:01:31.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pulls all the reference data for you.""" start="00:01:34.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's tools out there""" start="00:01:38.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are really meant for scientific writing,""" start="00:01:39.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you do this professionally,""" start="00:01:43.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you may need to keep track of dozens of details""" start="00:01:46.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for each reference""" start="00:01:49.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then have some fancy system to generate that""" start="00:01:51.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your, or output that into your paper.""" start="00:01:55.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are better systems,""" start="00:02:00.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is what worked for me and what was easy.""" start="00:02:02.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tip about completion frameworks""" start="00:02:06.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I do want to emphasize that if you haven't,""" start="00:02:06.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you really want to learn how to use helm-mode""" start="00:02:11.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""H-E-L-M, or one of the similar systems in Emacs""" start="00:02:14.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that does fuzzy search on Emacs commands.""" start="00:02:20.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, in Helm here,""" start="00:02:26.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I input one keychord, and then I just have to remember""" start="00:02:29.340" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a few characters of some command,""" start="00:02:39.007" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they don't even have to be right next to each other,""" start="00:02:40.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like H-O-C will bring up `helm-occur`.""" start="00:02:43.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's based on its algorithms""" start="00:02:47.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what I most likely meant""" start="00:02:51.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ones that I've used in the past.""" start="00:02:53.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it usually brings up the command that I want,""" start="00:02:55.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the one that I want""" start="00:02:57.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is one or two spots away in the entry.""" start="00:02:59.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That just saves me a lot of time""" start="00:03:03.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[and] a lot of memorization.""" start="00:03:05.074" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you haven't learned Helm""" start="00:03:06.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or a similar system for Emacs, you really want to.""" start="00:03:09.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""References file overview""" start="00:03:14.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So what is my approach?""" start="00:03:14.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, basically, what it comes down to is really""" start="00:03:18.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fundamentally nothing more than just a list""" start="00:03:24.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Org entries in a file.""" start="00:03:27.307" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's one entry per reference.""" start="00:03:30.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fundamentally, that's all it is.""" start="00:03:35.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'll go over the parts.""" start="00:03:37.207" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see there's the title for the entry,""" start="00:03:39.207" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's not necessarily""" start="00:03:43.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the title of the book or the article,""" start="00:03:44.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's my perspective on it,""" start="00:03:47.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's what I want to remember about it,""" start="00:03:50.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what I'll be looking for later""" start="00:03:52.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I do a search on my references.""" start="00:03:54.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's also in here the use of Org's tags""" start="00:03:56.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here to the right of the title,""" start="00:04:06.660" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very handy for searching for entries later.""" start="00:04:08.274" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use some Org properties attached to each entry.""" start="00:04:12.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I automatically add in here an ID""" start="00:04:18.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be useful if you want to""" start="00:04:21.740" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""link entries together later.""" start="00:04:24.074" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I automatically add in here the date""" start="00:04:27.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the entry was created,""" start="00:04:30.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which can be useful to me if things""" start="00:04:31.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got sorted in a different order at some point,""" start="00:04:35.700" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could still look through""" start="00:04:38.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most recent entries that I had made""" start="00:04:39.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I wanted to do that for some reason.""" start="00:04:42.507" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And sometimes I add in this publication year field""" start="00:04:45.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the idea that one day I might want to do""" start="00:04:48.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a search for entries based on the publication year""" start="00:04:52.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the book or the article,""" start="00:04:55.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, only to use recent references""" start="00:04:57.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:05:00.774" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then down here below the properties""" start="00:05:03.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is where I paste in the URL to the webpage, or""" start="00:05:05.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""type in the title and author of the book""" start="00:05:10.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the pages, maybe the pages that were relevant,""" start="00:05:13.007" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the pages of the periodical, or something like that.""" start="00:05:16.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I could put anything that I want down here,""" start="00:05:21.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some other notes about what's important""" start="00:05:23.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about this article to me.""" start="00:05:25.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So fundamentally, that's all it is.""" start="00:05:29.940" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I've added in a bit of convenience code""" start="00:05:32.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make this go a lot faster""" start="00:05:35.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than typing all this out.""" start="00:05:37.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The Emacs Lisp code""" start="00:05:39.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""For that, I'll switch back to my init.el file.""" start="00:05:39.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's really just five functions.""" start="00:05:45.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first two here are ones""" start="00:05:49.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've adapted off the Internet.""" start="00:05:52.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Honestly, I can't remember""" start="00:05:54.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exactly where that I got them from,""" start="00:05:56.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but basically, they're just some functions""" start="00:05:58.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for making a block of text writable or readable.""" start="00:06:00.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Writable or not writable, I should say.""" start="00:06:04.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea there is that""" start="00:06:09.300" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm creating a new entry,""" start="00:06:12.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally delete""" start="00:06:13.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or write over some earlier entries that I've made.""" start="00:06:16.307" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I use a little bit of Emacs functionality for that.""" start="00:06:18.960" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then here are the three reference functions""" start="00:06:24.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've actually written.""" start="00:06:29.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Really trivial, basic stuff here.""" start="00:06:32.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The core of it is the `new-reference` function.""" start="00:06:35.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, what that does is""" start="00:06:41.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it opens up the references file,""" start="00:06:44.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jumps to the end of the reference file,""" start="00:06:47.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starts a new entry, inserts the asterisk.""" start="00:06:52.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It jumps back to the previous text,""" start="00:06:57.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and whatever previous text there is,""" start="00:07:01.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes that read-only.""" start="00:07:03.474" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, so that I don't accidentally delete that,""" start="00:07:04.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or cut, or type over it, or something""" start="00:07:08.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I'm making a new reference.""" start="00:07:10.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it goes back to the new reference,""" start="00:07:14.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically adds in a unique ID for that,""" start="00:07:17.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then automatically stamps it with""" start="00:07:21.340" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the date the entry was created — today's date.""" start="00:07:25.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I've got two other functions here.""" start="00:07:29.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is `view-references`,""" start="00:07:32.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does nothing but open up the reference file""" start="00:07:34.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and switch to that buffer""" start="00:07:37.807" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're not already on it.""" start="00:07:39.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there's one other here, `edit-references`,""" start="00:07:42.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does the exact same thing except for""" start="00:07:45.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it also goes over all the text in the buffer""" start="00:07:50.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and makes it writable.""" start="00:07:53.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I really do want to edit those other references,""" start="00:07:55.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a function to quickly make that possible.""" start="00:07:58.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Example reference to Elfeed article""" start="00:08:02.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let me give an example of this.""" start="00:08:02.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I type in here, new reference.""" start="00:08:07.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I've jumped to the end of my references file.""" start="00:08:13.980" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""See, it's ready to take the title.""" start="00:08:16.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I guess I need to have something,""" start="00:08:19.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some content, to put in here.""" start="00:08:21.720" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I was looking through Elfeed,""" start="00:08:23.660" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say I found this interesting article""" start="00:08:28.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Mars earthquakes.""" start="00:08:31.600" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I open it up [and]""" start="00:08:38.220" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I read through the article.""" start="00:08:40.007" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I'd figure out what it is""" start="00:08:41.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I find interesting about this, what it is that""" start="00:08:43.840" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to want to remember and look up later.""" start="00:08:47.260" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I come up with a quick title based on that.""" start="00:08:51.580" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to the references with `view-reference`.""" start="00:08:57.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, let's just call it""" start="00:09:01.900" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Study of Mars Earthquake."""" start="00:09:05.674" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm going to also want to put in some tags.""" start="00:09:13.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On my system, that's done with""" start="00:09:18.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Control C, Control Q (`C-c C-q`).""" start="00:09:21.107" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can put in some tags.""" start="00:09:23.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to go ahead and insert the colons.""" start="00:09:25.520" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can leave those out,""" start="00:09:29.160" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they're going to get added anyway,""" start="00:09:30.800" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm in the habit of using them.""" start="00:09:32.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say we'll call this 'Astronomy' as one tag,""" start="00:09:36.780" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the next tag could be 'Planets'.""" start="00:09:41.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I wanted to use a tag""" start="00:09:47.060" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was more than one word in the tag,""" start="00:09:48.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd need to use underscores or something like that.""" start="00:09:50.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I wanted a tag that was 'Mars Earthquakes',""" start="00:09:53.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could do it like that, but that's kind of silly.""" start="00:10:00.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I try not to be too clever with the tags.""" start="00:10:05.060" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't spend a lot of time thinking about them.""" start="00:10:08.660" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just come up with some general buckets""" start="00:10:10.600" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to throw things in.""" start="00:10:13.107" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the tags were added there,""" start="00:10:15.020" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the right of the title.""" start="00:10:16.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now you can see down here under PROPERTIES,""" start="00:10:19.380" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ID has already been added,""" start="00:10:23.400" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Date_Created has been added.""" start="00:10:25.320" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes, I'll like to put in the publication year,""" start="00:10:27.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and for that, I use the `org-set-property` command.""" start="00:10:30.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Publication_Year, this year in this case.""" start="00:10:38.140" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then I just need to paste in the URL.""" start="00:10:43.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do that manually.""" start="00:10:46.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Org's bracket format for that.""" start="00:10:48.080" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I start that, go back to the article,""" start="00:10:53.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copy the URL, paste that in.""" start="00:10:57.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want, I can add it in the title""" start="00:11:02.100" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the second pair of brackets here.""" start="00:11:04.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't have to, but often like to.""" start="00:11:07.460" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Close that off, and there it is.""" start="00:11:14.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was really it.""" start="00:11:18.560" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I add a return on the end here,""" start="00:11:20.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just so the next entry comes out with the right spacing.""" start="00:11:22.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But really, that's it,""" start="00:11:26.620" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and typically, when I'm not explaining it,""" start="00:11:28.307" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only takes 20 seconds or so, or 30 seconds.""" start="00:11:31.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty quick. Pretty easy.""" start="00:11:37.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Searching the references""" start="00:11:41.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What about searching later?""" start="00:11:41.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, often the easiest thing is just do a simple,""" start="00:11:45.540" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""boring incremental search.""" start="00:11:50.474" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually know roughly""" start="00:11:54.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what it is that I'm looking for already.""" start="00:11:55.880" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I was looking for that wildflower article,""" start="00:11:58.500" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could just do an incremental search for wildflowers""" start="00:12:02.380" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and jump through that. It's pretty simple.""" start="00:12:06.000" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not very impressive, but honestly, most of the time""" start="00:12:07.920" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that gets me there pretty quick.""" start="00:12:13.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes I find it useful to do an Occur search,""" start="00:12:16.440" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more specifically a Helm Occur search.""" start="00:12:20.360" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I use the `helm-occur` command,""" start="00:12:23.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I like to use this to search by tag.""" start="00:12:31.260" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's where it really becomes handy.""" start="00:12:34.680" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's say I want to narrow it down""" start="00:12:36.760" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to all my astronomy references""" start="00:12:39.207" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then narrow it down a little bit more to planets.""" start="00:12:42.640" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can put spaces in between and it still works.""" start="00:12:50.040" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see here in one window,""" start="00:12:54.120" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it gives me the bottom window there.""" start="00:12:57.200" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's giving…, just because of the way""" start="00:13:00.240" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the tags are formatted with the title, it gives me""" start="00:13:03.480" video="mainVideo-ref" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list of all the titles that have 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Please e-mail [christopher@librehacker.com](mailto:christopher@librehacker.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20ref%3A%20Org-Mode%20workflow%3A%20informal%20reference%20tracking) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/ref-before.md b/2023/info/ref-before.md index f8132323..474b823a 100644 --- a/2023/info/ref-before.md +++ b/2023/info/ref-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,20 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by IRC and email Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 16-min talk ; Q&A: IRC +Status: All done +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-ref"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-ref--orgmode-workflow-informal-reference-tracking--christopher-howard--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-ref--orgmode-workflow-informal-reference-tracking--christopher-howard--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-ref--orgmode-workflow-informal-reference-tracking--christopher-howard--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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Please e-mail [eduardoochs@gmail.com](mailto:eduardoochs@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20repl%3A%20REPLs%20in%20strange%20places%3A%20Lua%2C%20LaTeX%2C%20LPeg%2C%20LPegRex%2C%20TikZ) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="repl-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi! My name is Eduardo Ochs""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the title of this talk is: REPLs""" start="00:00:03.080" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in strange places - Lua, LateX, LPeg, LPegRex,""" start="00:00:05.520" video="mainVideo-repl" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and TikZ. 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Please e-mail [eduardoochs@gmail.com](mailto:eduardoochs@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20repl%3A%20REPLs%20in%20strange%20places%3A%20Lua%2C%20LaTeX%2C%20LPeg%2C%20LPegRex%2C%20TikZ) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/repl-before.md b/2023/info/repl-before.md index 73680db9..9b9e2efa 100644 --- a/2023/info/repl-before.md +++ b/2023/info/repl-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,28 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 40-min talk followed by IRC Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 60-min talk ; Q&A: IRC +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-repl"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-repl--repls-in-strange-places-lua-latex-lpeg-lpegrex-tikz--eduardo-ochs--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-repl--repls-in-strange-places-lua-latex-lpeg-lpegrex-tikz--eduardo-ochs--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-repl--repls-in-strange-places-lua-latex-lpeg-lpegrex-tikz--eduardo-ochs--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/repl-nav.md b/2023/info/repl-nav.md index 1e990634..a2bde0f3 100644 --- a/2023/info/repl-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/repl-nav.md @@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/eval">Editor Integrated REPL Driven Development for all languages</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hyperdrive">hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/doc">Literate Documentation with Emacs and Org Mode</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-close-after.md b/2023/info/sat-close-after.md index a51ef399..caa994ab 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-close-after.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-close-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,177 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? 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Corwin, would you like to share your""" start="00:00:16.359" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""screen?""" start="00:00:17.960" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see the audio through BBB so we don't""" start="00:00:37.620" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to splice it in afterwards because it's""" start="00:00:39.840" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""annoying to splice things.""" start="00:00:41.720" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, Leo will be taking care of it,""" start="00:00:43.680" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not me, so. 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I""" start="00:01:00.060" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: can't imagine an Emacs con without getting to""" start="00:01:14.240" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enjoy Leo's famous jazz hands.""" start="00:01:16.020" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I can tell you it's a lot easier...""" start="00:01:21.420" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hello? I can tell you it's a lot easier to do""" start="00:01:23.160" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jazz hands at 9am EST than it is at 5pm EST,""" start="00:01:25.760" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because for me it's 11 and I've barely seen""" start="00:01:30.860" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this 1 today. Okay Corwin,""" start="00:01:34.160" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you have a presentation right now?""" start="00:01:39.720" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do not seem to be able to hear you,""" start="00:01:45.480" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Corwin. Okay, just bear with us,""" start="00:01:47.440" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folks. 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Anything anyone want to""" start="00:04:21.180" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add?""" start="00:04:26.580" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'm all good.""" start="00:04:30.060" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Let's see if Corwin can get his mic to work.""" start="00:04:32.900" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it's not.""" start="00:04:37.740" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, I mean, did you want to say something""" start="00:04:43.520" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well? 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All right, I have closed the bbb oh""" start="00:08:19.360" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's restarting apparently oh it's we're back""" start="00:08:31.320" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the q and a between stephan and let's""" start="00:08:34.780" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""close this hey we are off""" start="00:08:37.480" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: we are clear I am pausing the recording I""" start="00:08:44.700" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't have permission to do that in this""" start="00:08:52.540" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""room.""" start="00:08:54.280" video="mainVideo-sat-close" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sat-close%3A%20Saturday%20closing%20remarks) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-close-before.md b/2023/info/sat-close-before.md index 02431083..3b574968 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-close-before.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-close-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,18 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Ready to stream +Format: 9-min talk ; Q&A: ask questions via Etherpad/IRC; we'll e-mail the speaker and post answers on this wiki page after the conference +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-sat-close"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 09:00 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-sat-close">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=bb384a46db00ac8a0175df0a0668c94a9992b663-1701554802497">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.json">Download --main.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.opus">Download --main.opus (4.7MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.webm">Download --main.webm (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLomc4HLgvuCUdrW3JkugtKv8xPelUoOyP">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OOUfBF6t7k">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-sat-close">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=bb384a46db00ac8a0175df0a0668c94a9992b663-1701554802497">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.json">Download --main.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.opus">Download --main.opus (4.7MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-close--saturday-closing-remarks--main.webm">Download --main.webm (32MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md b/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md index 219f76fc..e175a40c 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-close-nav.md @@ -3,5 +3,5 @@ Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-open">Saturday opening remarks</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sun-open">Sunday opening remarks</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-open-after.md b/2023/info/sat-open-after.md index 611bf9ac..417922c4 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-open-after.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-open-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,131 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20sat-open%3A%20Saturday%20opening%20remarks) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sat-open-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Welcome to EmacsConf 2023, where we get to find out""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just how much we can do with a text editor.""" start="00:00:04.559" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just like last year, we have two tracks.""" start="00:00:07.698" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:10.317" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:12.656" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:14.235" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:15.954" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:18.493" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Saturday, it's mostly Org Mode talks on the General track.""" start="00:00:21.152" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The doc talk on the development track""" start="00:00:24.711" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is about literate documentation with Emacs and Org Mode,""" start="00:00:26.870" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's a general-audience talk""" start="00:00:30.129" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it's in the Development track.""" start="00:00:31.688" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just ran out of space in the schedule.""" start="00:00:33.607" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:35.266" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:38.505" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:41.264" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:44.043" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:47.522" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:50.401" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:52.820" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also web-based players""" start="00:00:56.219" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case that's all you've got.""" start="00:00:57.818" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule shows the General track on top""" start="00:01:00.297" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Development track on the bottom,""" start="00:01:02.296" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can see what else is going on.""" start="00:01:03.975" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you're watching the talks,""" start="00:01:06.594" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can refer to the schedule in another window.""" start="00:01:07.793" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hover over the boxes to see the times and titles,""" start="00:01:10.692" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and click on the boxes in the schedule""" start="00:01:13.711" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the talk's page for more details.""" start="00:01:15.610" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also get the schedule as an iCalendar file""" start="00:01:18.389" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as an Org file in different time zones.""" start="00:01:20.928" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many talks will be followed by""" start="00:01:23.187" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live Q&A web conferences with the speaker,""" start="00:01:24.686" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will be done in BigBlueButton or BBB.""" start="00:01:27.345" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are indicated with a solid border on the schedule""" start="00:01:30.424" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by Q&A: BBB on the schedule page.""" start="00:01:33.423" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join the web conference room""" start="00:01:36.582" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by clicking on the BBB link""" start="00:01:38.281" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule page or the talk's webpage.""" start="00:01:39.900" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can ask your questions yourself when the Q&A starts.""" start="00:01:42.839" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To improve performance, please keep your webcam off""" start="00:01:45.758" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stay muted until it's your turn to talk.""" start="00:01:48.217" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year we're experimenting with automatically switching""" start="00:01:50.956" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between talks and Q&A sessions,""" start="00:01:53.575" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the transitions on the stream might be a little sudden,""" start="00:01:55.934" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but people in the BigBlueButton room""" start="00:01:59.133" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can continue the conversation""" start="00:02:00.892" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even after the talk moves off-stream.""" start="00:02:02.571" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other talks will have Q&A via Etherpad or IRC,""" start="00:02:05.410" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on what the speakers prefer.""" start="00:02:08.769" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is indicated in the schedule with a dashed border""" start="00:02:11.088" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and on the schedule page as well.""" start="00:02:14.107" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please ask your questions in the recommended places""" start="00:02:16.826" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the speakers can easily see them.""" start="00:02:19.265" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some talks will have the Q&A after the event,""" start="00:02:21.784" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can add your questions to their Etherpad.""" start="00:02:24.503" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll e-mail the speakers afterwards""" start="00:02:27.362" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and update the talk pages when they answer.""" start="00:02:29.461" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule pages and track pages have quick shortcuts""" start="00:02:32.360" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can find out more about talks, open the Etherpads,""" start="00:02:35.499" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and join the Q&A sessions. The watch page has more tips""" start="00:02:38.978" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how to make the most of Q&A.""" start="00:02:42.537" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can, please add notes and ask questions""" start="00:02:45.236" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Etherpad for the talk. That makes it easier""" start="00:02:48.015" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for everyone to share their notes,""" start="00:02:51.174" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and speakers and hosts can read the questions from there.""" start="00:02:52.833" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll copy the notes to the talk pages afterwards.""" start="00:02:55.772" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have one pad for each talk,""" start="00:02:59.791" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can follow the links to get to the next one""" start="00:03:01.850" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or go back to the schedule and get the link from there.""" start="00:03:03.969" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have general feedback about""" start="00:03:07.128" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the conference itself, please put it in""" start="00:03:08.767" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad.emacsconf.org/2023 , which is linked on each pad.""" start="00:03:10.926" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use this as a general community message board""" start="00:03:16.385" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for things like Help Wanted.""" start="00:03:19.044" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Internet Relay Chat or IRC can be another great way""" start="00:03:22.183" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be part of lots of conversations.""" start="00:03:25.320" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use chat.emacsconf.org to join the IRC channels""" start="00:03:27.961" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through your web browser. The tabs on the left can help you""" start="00:03:31.680" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch between the different channels.""" start="00:03:34.519" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's #emacsconf-gen for the General track""" start="00:03:37.078" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and #emacsconf-dev for the Development track.""" start="00:03:40.340" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need to reach us, you can join #emacsconf-org""" start="00:03:43.696" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or e-mail emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org.""" start="00:03:47.415" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use #emacsconf for hallway conversations.""" start="00:03:52.394" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you can join any of these channels""" start="00:03:55.673" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your favourite IRC client.""" start="00:03:57.792" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're on the libera.chat network.""" start="00:04:00.071" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once again, we're going to be streaming with open captions""" start="00:04:03.910" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for most of the talks this year, thanks to our speakers and""" start="00:04:06.549" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captioning volunteers. The captioned talks are indicated""" start="00:04:09.628" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule, and with any luck, we'll be posting""" start="00:04:12.987" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcripts on talk pages shortly after the talks start.""" start="00:04:15.706" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need additional accommodations,""" start="00:04:19.205" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in #emacsconf-org""" start="00:04:21.024" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll see if we can make things happen.""" start="00:04:23.784" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If something goes down, we'll update status.emacsconf.org.""" start="00:04:25.683" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it doesn't look like we've noticed yet,""" start="00:04:29.922" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in the #emacsconf-org IRC channel,""" start="00:04:31.781" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we will be quietly panicking.""" start="00:04:35.220" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In all of these conversations, please keep in mind""" start="00:04:37.379" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our guidelines for conduct. You can find them on the wiki,""" start="00:04:40.078" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They basically boil down to: please be nice.""" start="00:04:43.077" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If all goes well, the prerecorded talks and transcripts""" start="00:04:46.557" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be available from the talk pages""" start="00:04:48.996" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shortly after they start playing,""" start="00:04:50.995" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll post the recordings of live talks""" start="00:04:52.734" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Q&A sessions within the next month or so.""" start="00:04:54.633" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you'd like to get an update, you can subscribe to""" start="00:04:57.752" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the emacsconf-discuss mailing list.""" start="00:05:00.271" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, let's get going.""" start="00:05:03.570" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo Vivier is hosting the general track,""" start="00:05:05.129" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Amin Bandali hosting the development track.""" start="00:05:07.529" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other volunteers and I will run around mostly backstage,""" start="00:05:10.648" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you'll probably meet us in the closing remarks.""" start="00:05:13.367" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also where we get to thank""" start="00:05:15.446" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people and organizations""" start="00:05:17.085" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make EmacsConf even possible.""" start="00:05:18.724" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for coming to EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:05:21.763" video="mainVideo-sat-open" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sat-open%3A%20Saturday%20opening%20remarks) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sat-open-before.md b/2023/info/sat-open-before.md index 7d912bd3..df86ddb8 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-open-before.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-open-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 6-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad +Status: All done +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-sat-open"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sat-open--saturday-opening-remarks--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sat-open--saturday-opening-remarks--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md b/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md index db5cf1cd..9d1a5ef9 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-open-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsen">The Emacsen family, the design of an Emacs and the importance of Lisp</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsconf">EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sat-close">Saturday closing remarks</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/scheme-after.md b/2023/info/scheme-after.md index f1d3edb1..a466d69a 100644 --- a/2023/info/scheme-after.md +++ b/2023/info/scheme-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,370 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20scheme%3A%20Bringing%20joy%20to%20Scheme%20programming) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="scheme-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello and welcome everyone on EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm Andrew Tropin.""" start="00:00:07.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work on operating systems and programming languages.""" start="00:00:08.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, we discuss Lisps, Schemes, REPLs,""" start="00:00:11.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interactive development,""" start="00:00:16.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to make your own cozy development environment.""" start="00:00:18.140" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive development""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's start from interactive development.""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisps are famous for a nice""" start="00:00:26.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Interactive Development Experience.""" start="00:00:29.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have REPLs.""" start="00:00:32.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp has its own Lisp machine,""" start="00:00:34.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a lot of cool IDE with different functionality""" start="00:00:40.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is already here and providing""" start="00:00:44.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a nice and pleasant experience.""" start="00:00:47.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question is, is it enough?""" start="00:00:51.620" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In most cases, yes, but for some languages,""" start="00:00:56.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have some white spaces, some missing pieces.""" start="00:00:59.921" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for example, in Scheme world,""" start="00:01:04.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we already have a few tools.""" start="00:01:08.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have REPL, we have integration for REPL in Emacs,""" start="00:01:10.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but is it enough?""" start="00:01:14.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:01:16.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""REPL: Read Eval Print Loop""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We know that Emacs is very good for Lisps and REPL.""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp and Emacs should be a perfect setup.""" start="00:01:22.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But let's see how REPL basically works.""" start="00:01:26.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an event loop which does three things.""" start="00:01:30.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It reads an expression, it evaluates the expression,""" start="00:01:34.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it prints the result.""" start="00:01:37.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can take a simple expression, input it into REPL,""" start="00:01:40.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and evaluate it and see the result.""" start="00:01:47.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice, very convenient.""" start="00:01:48.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can experiment and see immediately what is happening.""" start="00:01:50.820" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even run a long-running process""" start="00:01:55.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does something.""" start="00:01:57.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can interrupt it and everything will be okay.""" start="00:01:58.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the problem appears""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you start to develop a bigger project.""" start="00:02:08.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in most cases, you don't do""" start="00:02:11.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your whole development in REPL.""" start="00:02:14.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You do only a small part of it.""" start="00:02:16.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In most cases, you just write""" start="00:02:18.461" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the source code in text files,""" start="00:02:20.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after that, you run those snippets of code""" start="00:02:22.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from those text files, or run the whole project.""" start="00:02:26.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not very convenient to copy and paste""" start="00:02:30.721" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every time the snippets of code to the REPL,""" start="00:02:33.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see the result, modify the snippet of code,""" start="00:02:36.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copy it again, and so on.""" start="00:02:38.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So people invented some integration""" start="00:02:41.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between REPL and your text editor.""" start="00:02:44.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can evaluate expressions inside your text editor""" start="00:02:46.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see the result here.""" start="00:02:51.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Long-lasting loops""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Works good so far, but what happens""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we run a long-lasting loop,""" start="00:02:56.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which does a lot of operations.""" start="00:03:02.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see here with a simple example,""" start="00:03:05.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the output of the function,""" start="00:03:07.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stdout of the function is presented here,""" start="00:03:13.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the resulting value is here.""" start="00:03:16.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you run a long-running process,""" start="00:03:18.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you don't see anything happening.""" start="00:03:22.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see there's a watch instead of my cursor.""" start="00:03:24.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you don't see it, but nothing actually happens,""" start="00:03:29.260" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least from the point of view of the user.""" start="00:03:33.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we interrupt the evaluation,""" start="00:03:36.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will see that some process in the background""" start="00:03:38.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was launched, but we didn't see anything.""" start="00:03:41.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the REPL is a single-threaded blocking process,""" start="00:03:44.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which reads stdin and prints stdout,""" start="00:03:51.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make the integration""" start="00:03:54.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the REPL and your text editor""" start="00:03:55.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not an easy task.""" start="00:03:58.541" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And even if you do it,""" start="00:04:02.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a lot of downsides, usually.""" start="00:04:04.321" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Not interruptible""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First of all, the process is not interruptible.""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have a remote process which listens on the socket""" start="00:04:13.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to which you connect from your development environment,""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you run some infinite loop, for example,""" start="00:04:21.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can't interrupt it.""" start="00:04:25.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because interruption is done via signals,""" start="00:04:28.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and signals to remote processes are not usually""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the thing in such integrations.""" start="00:04:35.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Output is not interactive""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Output is also not interactive.""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Usually, for example, here you can see""" start="00:04:41.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I evaluate the expression,""" start="00:04:45.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the output is captured on the evaluation side,""" start="00:04:47.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after that, after the whole evaluation""" start="00:04:51.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the whole expression finished,""" start="00:04:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I get the result, all the stdout at once.""" start="00:04:56.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I run the process which evaluates for 5 seconds,""" start="00:05:06.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will see the first signs of the life""" start="00:05:09.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only after 5 seconds of evaluation.""" start="00:05:13.781" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, what else?""" start="00:05:17.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""No protocol""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""When you do such integrations, you have no protocol,""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have just stdin and stdout.""" start="00:05:26.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You print to stdin from your text editor.""" start="00:05:29.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You read from stdout of the process.""" start="00:05:32.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard to tell if evaluation is finished,""" start="00:05:36.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it requires stdin, and how to extend the REPL""" start="00:05:40.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make it more featureful, and so on.""" start="00:05:47.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Not scalable""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And also, such integrations are usually not very scalable.""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if you want to have a completion,""" start="00:05:57.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you type something, you have the completion. Cool.""" start="00:06:14.700" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you run the process and at the same time""" start="00:06:17.461" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""try to have a completion, you don't have it,""" start="00:06:22.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the evaluation is in progress,""" start="00:06:24.621" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can't calculate the completion candidates""" start="00:06:29.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time. To make it more obvious,""" start="00:06:33.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will start a completion here.""" start="00:06:35.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see the completion pop-ups.""" start="00:06:41.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I start the evaluation process,""" start="00:06:43.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when I try to complete something,""" start="00:06:46.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the evaluation freezes and there is no completion.""" start="00:06:49.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not very convenient.""" start="00:06:53.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Usually, you have some long-running processes""" start="00:06:55.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you want them to continue while you have""" start="00:06:58.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your go to definition, completion, and other things.""" start="00:07:01.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Overall, those issues make it quite inconvenient""" start="00:07:08.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to integrate REPL in text editors or development environments,""" start="00:07:13.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you need something else""" start="00:07:18.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make the work comfortable.""" start="00:07:21.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""nREPL""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is already a solution called nREPL.""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a synchronous protocol which allows""" start="00:07:28.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to send operations to the server""" start="00:07:31.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and receive responses in a synchronous manner.""" start="00:07:34.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here is a simple example of a few operations.""" start="00:07:37.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First one is cloning the existing session,""" start="00:07:42.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and as a response you will get a new session.""" start="00:07:45.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also you send the evaluation request with code""" start="00:07:49.241" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you want to evaluate, and you get two responses.""" start="00:07:52.100" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First one says that output is captured""" start="00:07:55.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's equal to "hi\n",""" start="00:08:00.601" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after that, you receive an "Evaluation completed",""" start="00:08:02.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the value of this expression.""" start="00:08:06.561" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This protocol was developed""" start="00:08:12.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for CIDER development environment.""" start="00:08:14.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a Clojure development environment for Emacs.""" start="00:08:15.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very cool, featureful, reliable,""" start="00:08:18.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would say production-ready.""" start="00:08:22.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of professional Clojure developers use it.""" start="00:08:26.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The nREPL protocol is very simple.""" start="00:08:31.500" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a few operations out of the box,""" start="00:08:33.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can extend it with any arbitrary operation you want.""" start="00:08:38.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work a lot on Guix codebase and other Scheme projects,""" start="00:08:46.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the experience I had previously with nREPL""" start="00:08:53.820" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was not satisfying. I decided""" start="00:08:57.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just implement nREPL protocol.""" start="00:08:59.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Arei, Ares, and how to try""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First of all, I implemented nREPL server in Guile.""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I called it `guile-ares-rs`, and used it""" start="00:09:05.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a generic nREPL client for Emacs.""" start="00:09:11.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It worked.""" start="00:09:13.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It had some rough edges, but overall it was okay.""" start="00:09:14.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And after that, to add more features""" start="00:09:18.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make the implementation more complete,""" start="00:09:21.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote my own nREPL client for Emacs and called it `arei`.""" start="00:09:25.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I got almost complete Guile IDE in two months.""" start="00:09:33.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So `ares-rs` is nREPL server implementation.""" start="00:09:40.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`arei` is Emacs client, which uses the same nREPL protocol.""" start="00:09:45.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It utilizes `sesman` package for managing sessions,""" start="00:09:49.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the association of buffers with nREPL connection.""" start="00:09:54.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has some roots.""" start="00:10:00.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The implementation has some roots""" start="00:10:04.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Geiser, CIDER, Monroe, and Rail.""" start="00:10:06.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I took small snippets for some parts of functionality.""" start="00:10:09.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the CAPF and xref infrastructure""" start="00:10:15.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for completion at point and cross-reference capabilities.""" start="00:10:19.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And by the time of conference, I hope""" start="00:10:23.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that README will be complete enough""" start="00:10:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you will be able to try it yourself.""" start="00:10:30.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's see what is possible with it already.""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's connect to nREPL server.""" start="00:10:42.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After that, you can evaluate the expression.""" start="00:10:51.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you see the stdout and the result.""" start="00:10:56.281" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice, very convenient.""" start="00:11:02.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have different expression, you evaluate it,""" start="00:11:04.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you get the value of the evaluation.""" start="00:11:08.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can run an infinite loop""" start="00:11:10.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which prints to stderr and stdout""" start="00:11:12.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you see all necessary stuff.""" start="00:11:15.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very cool.""" start="00:11:18.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But also, you can interrupt the evaluation,""" start="00:11:19.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very convenient if you accidentally""" start="00:11:21.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run an infinite loop.""" start="00:11:25.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Continuations""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Also, do you remember here we have a few more examples""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we didn't try yet?""" start="00:11:32.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, on usual REPL implementation,""" start="00:11:34.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I evaluate this expression, I get return value.""" start="00:11:39.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I make a continuation and save it to this variable""" start="00:11:47.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I try to call this evaluation""" start="00:11:50.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I get an exception,""" start="00:11:52.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the environment in which this continuation""" start="00:11:55.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was created was different and it has redefined""" start="00:11:58.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stdout and stderr to capture it.""" start="00:12:03.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when I run it one more time,""" start="00:12:06.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I resume the continuation,""" start="00:12:08.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the environment changed and it doesn't work.""" start="00:12:12.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What happens in `arei`?""" start="00:12:15.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I define continuation, I save the continuation""" start="00:12:17.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the simple expression""" start="00:12:21.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I resume the continuation with a new argument,""" start="00:12:23.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can see at the top of the screen""" start="00:12:27.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it works perfectly fine.""" start="00:12:30.140" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading from stdin""" start="00:12:32.460" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Also, with a usual REPL implementation,""" start="00:12:32.460" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's see what happens when we have a process""" start="00:12:35.560" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which reads from stdin.""" start="00:12:40.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I evaluate the expression and nothing visible happens.""" start="00:12:41.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can try to type `C-g`, `C-c`,""" start="00:12:48.100" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and after some time it will say user interrupt.""" start="00:12:53.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What actually I expect in such a case""" start="00:12:56.560" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have a minibuffer which prompts me for the input.""" start="00:13:00.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I evaluate the same expression in the `arei`,""" start="00:13:04.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you see the prompt at the minibuffer""" start="00:13:10.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and here I can tell, "Hello I'm a message from minibuffer".""" start="00:13:12.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cool. You will see that this message is printed to stdout,""" start="00:13:21.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and unspecified was returned""" start="00:13:26.100" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a result of this expression.""" start="00:13:28.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Fancy example with continuations""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's make some fancy example with continuations.""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Continuations is a very cool mechanism""" start="00:13:37.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not the topic of today's talk,""" start="00:13:45.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can find a lot of interesting information""" start="00:13:48.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Scheme documentation or in related books,""" start="00:13:51.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I advise you to do it because it's really nice thing""" start="00:13:54.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is actually applicable""" start="00:13:58.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in many different programming languages.""" start="00:14:00.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here you can see the infinite loop""" start="00:14:03.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which just prints values increasing one by one.""" start="00:14:05.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we save a continuation on each iteration.""" start="00:14:09.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can call the continuation""" start="00:14:13.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will resume from the previous saved step.""" start="00:14:18.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see, it resumed from the same step""" start="00:14:21.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we interrupted earlier, but we provided a new value for it. +another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can provide another value""" start="00:14:31.641" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it resumed from the same spot it was saved earlier.""" start="00:14:33.921" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I also can provide a `read-i` value""" start="00:14:39.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if I provide `read-i` value,""" start="00:14:42.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the infinite loop will read the input from stdin""" start="00:14:45.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and will continue the evaluation""" start="00:14:50.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a different `i` provided in this input.""" start="00:14:53.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's try to type some arbitrary value""" start="00:14:56.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you see that the loop continued with this value.""" start="00:15:03.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice.""" start="00:15:07.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And every time we could easily interrupt it.""" start="00:15:08.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Guix API""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, what most annoying thing that I had previously""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the usual REPL implementation""" start="00:15:17.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have a quite nice Guix API""" start="00:15:19.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I can build packages, systems and other stuff.""" start="00:15:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if I evaluate this expression, I will get an error.""" start="00:15:27.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I will get an error""" start="00:15:35.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't have an appropriate environment.""" start="00:15:38.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I can do, I can connect to the remote REPL""" start="00:15:44.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by creating a server with `guix repl --listen` command""" start="00:15:51.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and connecting to it with `geiser-connect` command.""" start="00:15:55.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I can evaluate this expression.""" start="00:15:58.620" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right?""" start="00:16:01.820" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Wow.""" start="00:16:03.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:16:10.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It actually doesn't matter for my example.""" start="00:16:14.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will explain how it doesn't work easily.""" start="00:16:19.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a long-running process which prints something""" start="00:16:22.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it can take up to a few minutes.""" start="00:16:26.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for the whole few minutes I don't see any results,""" start="00:16:29.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the same as with this infinite loop which prints to stdout""" start="00:16:33.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't see anything interactively.""" start="00:16:38.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With `arei`, I can run""" start="00:16:42.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the evaluation of the same expression,""" start="00:16:45.620" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you will see instantly""" start="00:16:51.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that stdout is presented here in slightly yellowish color.""" start="00:16:54.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can interrupt the evaluation""" start="00:17:00.201" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I don't want to wait until it's finished,""" start="00:17:02.921" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just after that, I can evaluate another value.""" start="00:17:06.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's cool.""" start="00:17:15.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's see one more thing.""" start="00:17:23.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have an infinite loop and we have some completion here.""" start="00:17:25.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And completion still works,""" start="00:17:30.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very nice,""" start="00:17:32.580" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while the infinite loop is running.""" start="00:17:33.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:17:40.260" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Support""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Actually it took me around two months""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of full-time work funded by my own savings,""" start="00:17:44.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can support and help to the project""" start="00:17:48.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using OpenCollective or by contributing on SourceHut.""" start="00:17:51.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Future steps - Multiple simultaneous evaluations in different contexts""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The future steps for the project""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""include an experimental workflow where you have""" start="00:17:58.700" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multiple simultaneous evaluation in different contexts.""" start="00:18:03.675" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you have Fibers, you have Goblins,""" start="00:18:07.540" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have some HTTP server or some other thing,""" start="00:18:11.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you want to run all of them independently""" start="00:18:16.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in slightly isolated sessions,""" start="00:18:22.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you want to have the ability""" start="00:18:25.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to still interact with them.""" start="00:18:29.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, if they require standard input""" start="00:18:30.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something else, you want to be able to provide it.""" start="00:18:33.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You want to see the stderr and stdout""" start="00:18:39.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of those long-running processes and so on.""" start="00:18:42.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second thing is tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for better syntax highlighting, code navigation,""" start="00:18:50.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and other features.""" start="00:18:53.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And after that, probably we will do a full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can jump expressions one by one""" start="00:19:01.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see the results and see some intermediate values""" start="00:19:06.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during the evaluation.""" start="00:19:10.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's very possible""" start="00:19:13.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because nREPL is a very extensible protocol""" start="00:19:14.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can implement""" start="00:19:17.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever you want on top of it.""" start="00:19:18.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""FAQ - Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I will answer two probably very frequent questions.""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:27.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the moment, it doesn't,""" start="00:19:30.500" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the Scheme implementation is not restricted.""" start="00:19:32.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have a server which is implemented in your language""" start="00:19:36.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have a client--in our case, `arei`--""" start="00:19:40.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which communicates with this protocol.""" start="00:19:43.975" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you implement nREPL server in a different language,""" start="00:19:48.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it should work with already implemented `arei` client.""" start="00:19:52.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Is it possible to use it with other text editors?""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And is it possible to use the same functionality""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in other text editors, for example in VS Code,""" start="00:20:04.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vim, whatever?""" start="00:20:07.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, it's possible and the case is similar here.""" start="00:20:08.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have already implemented nREPL server""" start="00:20:13.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can write your own nREPL client""" start="00:20:16.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a different text editor and it will work.""" start="00:20:19.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I would like to thank the authors and maintainers""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and contributors of Guile, Geiser, CIDER, Clojure,""" start="00:20:26.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs, and all other people""" start="00:20:30.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are somehow related to the work on those projects""" start="00:20:33.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""involved in this talk.""" start="00:20:38.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope the Scheme programming will be enjoyable.""" start="00:20:42.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contacts""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If you want to contact me,""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""join #tropin IRC channel at libera.chat,""" start="00:20:47.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or drop me a message via email or feediverse""" start="00:20:49.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using `andrew@trop.in` handle.""" start="00:20:53.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will see you in a bit in Q&A session.""" start="00:20:55.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +Questions or comments? 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Please e-mail [jakebox0@protonmail.com](mailto:jakebox0@protonmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20sharing%3A%20Sharing%20Emacs%20is%20Caring%20Emacs%3A%20Emacs%20education%20and%20why%20I%20embraced%20video) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sharing-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone, I'm Jacob Boxerman.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a sophomore at Columbia University""" start="00:00:02.440" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""studying computer science.""" start="00:00:04.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm so excited to be here today""" start="00:00:06.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right at the end of EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:08.520" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So glad to be able to share with everyone today.""" start="00:00:11.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf is really the epitome for me""" start="00:00:13.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sharing and of learning about Emacs.""" start="00:00:16.747" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Today's talk""" start="00:00:20.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And in my closing keynote""" start="00:00:20.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""titled "Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs,"""" start="00:00:21.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to drive that home,""" start="00:00:24.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I want to make every day""" start="00:00:25.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a day for learning and for sharing in our community.""" start="00:00:27.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to share my own journey""" start="00:00:31.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sharing the joy of Emacs""" start="00:00:33.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and convince you that sharing the ways we share""" start="00:00:34.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how we participate in our Emacs community,""" start="00:00:38.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those are the most important things""" start="00:00:41.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to both grow our community""" start="00:00:42.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to increase our own personal joy in Emacs.""" start="00:00:44.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""My history with Emacs""" start="00:00:48.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""My journey of sharing begins with my journey of learning.""" start="00:00:48.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll start by spending a bit of time on that.""" start="00:00:52.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use Emacs every day for personal organization""" start="00:00:55.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to-dos -- you know, schoolwork, projects,""" start="00:00:57.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exams, readings. I use Org Mode for that,""" start="00:01:00.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""write essays, make presentations like this one.""" start="00:01:03.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also write in various programming languages""" start="00:01:05.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including Java, C, Python,""" start="00:01:08.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""locally and also remotely for projects, classes,""" start="00:01:10.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other responsibilities.""" start="00:01:13.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really started with Emacs during the pandemic.""" start="00:01:14.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had tried Emacs before, but at the time""" start="00:01:17.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all I knew it for was `M-x tetris`.""" start="00:01:20.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But then its power and its configurability even then""" start="00:01:22.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially spoke to me.""" start="00:01:25.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So from those little humble beginnings,""" start="00:01:27.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying different preconfigured distros,""" start="00:01:28.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I slowly made my way to building""" start="00:01:31.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my own 2000+ line configuration,""" start="00:01:33.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which actually surprisingly has about 70 stars,""" start="00:01:36.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a few watchers, a few forks on GitHub.""" start="00:01:39.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pretty straightforward.""" start="00:01:40.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Self-exploration vs learning from others""" start="00:01:42.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But what exactly was that learning process like?""" start="00:01:42.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, Emacs was such a beast to me at first.""" start="00:01:46.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was familiar with Python,""" start="00:01:49.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with C, Java, languages like that.""" start="00:01:51.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was no stranger to the shell configuration,""" start="00:01:52.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything like that.""" start="00:01:55.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the absolute infinity of possibility with Emacs""" start="00:01:56.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was a bit overwhelming.""" start="00:02:01.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find a sentiment in the community""" start="00:02:02.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that exploring on one's own""" start="00:02:04.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was greater than exploring and learning from others.""" start="00:02:06.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I see why people say that and it's true in a sense,""" start="00:02:11.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it might not be fully understood.""" start="00:02:14.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At a certain point, we need to all create our own paths.""" start="00:02:17.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think that's just one of the ways Emacs is built.""" start="00:02:21.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The minute possibilities of configurability are so vast,""" start="00:02:24.160" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's like a fingerprint or a snowflake --""" start="00:02:27.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are so many options to create""" start="00:02:29.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a totally unique Emacs experience.""" start="00:02:32.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course that can't be found from somebody else --""" start="00:02:35.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has to come from you.""" start="00:02:37.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Still, building a strong foundation""" start="00:02:38.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is much, much better when we have others.""" start="00:02:42.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Expanding on that foundation is, too, actually.""" start="00:02:45.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My own process started""" start="00:02:48.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a lot of Googling, blog posts, YouTube, and Reddit.""" start="00:02:50.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Learning process""" start="00:02:53.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I actually found Emacs on YouTube.""" start="00:02:53.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Seeing how other people used it""" start="00:02:55.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was what really convinced me to try it for myself.""" start="00:02:58.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At a certain point when my confidence grew,""" start="00:03:01.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my trial and error became less error and more success.""" start="00:03:03.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was also able to take what I saw other people do,""" start="00:03:07.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learn from it, and expand, making it my own.""" start="00:03:09.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And through that time, I learned Emacs.""" start="00:03:13.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Emacs learning (not just learning Emacs)""" start="00:03:17.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But I also participated in Emacs learning.""" start="00:03:17.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's the difference?""" start="00:03:21.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We often discuss the former,""" start="00:03:22.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""grappling with key binds, commands.""" start="00:03:24.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Emacs learning goes beyond these technicalities.""" start="00:03:27.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a mindset. It thrives on collaboration.""" start="00:03:31.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not a solo endeavor;""" start="00:03:35.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it flourishes best when we do it together.""" start="00:03:37.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This involves collaborating together,""" start="00:03:41.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating a collaborative mindset,""" start="00:03:44.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing effective strategies,""" start="00:03:46.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lifting each other""" start="00:03:47.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through our collective pool of knowledge.""" start="00:03:49.076" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Together, we contribute to the growth of each member""" start="00:03:51.640" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""within our vibrant community.""" start="00:03:55.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs learning is much, much harder to do alone.""" start="00:03:56.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I wanted to help with that.""" start="00:04:00.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""My YouTube journey""" start="00:04:03.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So this brings me to the second part of my talk,""" start="00:04:03.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my Emacs journey, how I got started""" start="00:04:05.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and where I am today with my YouTube channel,""" start="00:04:08.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my Straightforward Emacs series with nearly 200,000 views.""" start="00:04:11.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why not just read the manual?""" start="00:04:14.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The Emacs Manual is often pushed""" start="00:04:14.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the best way to learn Emacs.""" start="00:04:18.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an all-encompassing tome.""" start="00:04:20.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And as amazing as I think it is,""" start="00:04:21.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think it's reasonable""" start="00:04:23.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to push the Emacs manual so hard,""" start="00:04:25.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is something I felt at first.""" start="00:04:27.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be really daunting. It's dense.""" start="00:04:29.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot there.""" start="00:04:31.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a bit too much for a beginner,""" start="00:04:32.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even someone with a little bit of experience.""" start="00:04:34.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These qualities, I feel,""" start="00:04:37.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""apply to many of the Emacs resources we can find out there.""" start="00:04:40.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best word for them is heavy.""" start="00:04:43.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They look, they feel, they come across as heavy""" start="00:04:45.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of what they may actually be.""" start="00:04:48.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not even that people are too lazy,""" start="00:04:50.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or not capable enough (because that's never true).""" start="00:04:53.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a mental block that takes some getting over,""" start="00:04:56.520" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's okay -- so we need other things, too.""" start="00:05:00.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For me, that was video.""" start="00:05:03.160" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted someone to tell and show me""" start="00:05:04.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I wanted to know,""" start="00:05:07.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as things I didn't even know were possible.""" start="00:05:08.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I realized this once I'd progressed a little further""" start="00:05:11.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my Emacs journey. I wanted to do my part.""" start="00:05:15.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I care about Emacs. I started to really care about Emacs.""" start="00:05:18.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why video for Emacs""" start="00:05:20.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I wanted to share about Emacs.""" start="00:05:20.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So at that point, I refocused my work with Emacs""" start="00:05:24.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beyond just myself. I wanted to help others""" start="00:05:27.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel the excitement that I did.""" start="00:05:30.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So where did I turn, and why?""" start="00:05:32.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's so trite, but they say that""" start="00:05:35.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a picture is worth a thousand words.""" start="00:05:37.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So how much is a video worth?""" start="00:05:40.160" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everyone learns differently, and that's okay.""" start="00:05:41.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's absolutely certain to me""" start="00:05:44.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you need to see something to believe it.""" start="00:05:46.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for that, I turned to video.""" start="00:05:48.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it turns out that seeing is believing.""" start="00:05:50.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Straightforward Emacs""" start="00:05:54.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I made a short video showing off Emacs Org Mode.""" start="00:05:54.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't even have a voiceover.""" start="00:05:56.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That video, less than five minutes long,""" start="00:05:58.960" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but still incorporating some of my core principles,""" start="00:06:01.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now has over 55,000 views and counting.""" start="00:06:04.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, something must have been right.""" start="00:06:06.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the positive reception to that video""" start="00:06:09.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""made me want to continue.""" start="00:06:11.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I decided to continue with the videos""" start="00:06:12.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a series I titled "Straightforward Emacs."""" start="00:06:14.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm asked: who is the target audience""" start="00:06:18.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Straightforward Emacs? It's me.""" start="00:06:20.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're the videos I wish I had existed""" start="00:06:23.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I was figuring out""" start="00:06:27.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs' numerous and wonderful features.""" start="00:06:28.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Challenges and benefits of video""" start="00:06:32.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Video does, I admit, come with its own set of challenges.""" start="00:06:32.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Complaints that video is less accessible, it's valid.""" start="00:06:36.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're more time consuming, it's valid too.""" start="00:06:40.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's harder to skim a video than a blog post,""" start="00:06:42.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and referring back can be a little annoying.""" start="00:06:45.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To try and solve this,""" start="00:06:47.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I make video notes available as best I can though.""" start="00:06:48.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not perfect. Despite these valid claims,""" start="00:06:50.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe video offers a sense of personality""" start="00:06:54.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that written content just can't.""" start="00:06:57.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that makes it well worth it.""" start="00:06:59.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My first two videos in the series""" start="00:07:00.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""received a combined 35,000 views.""" start="00:07:03.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still get kind comments today""" start="00:07:06.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from viewers thanking me, asking questions.""" start="00:07:08.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I must have done something right,""" start="00:07:10.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to outweigh those cons of video,""" start="00:07:12.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to outweigh those common complaints.""" start="00:07:14.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Crafting tutorials that work""" start="00:07:16.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""What was it? I covered topics that had been done before.""" start="00:07:16.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I wanted to present them in my way.""" start="00:07:21.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the way that I knew people would appreciate,""" start="00:07:24.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's what I would have appreciated""" start="00:07:26.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I started my Emacs journey.""" start="00:07:28.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In writing, I navigated towards clarity.""" start="00:07:30.920" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Crystal clear, step-by-step instructions.""" start="00:07:34.480" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fully scripted, recorded in multiple parts and""" start="00:07:38.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""spliced together. That allowed me""" start="00:07:40.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to achieve my second goal: no wasted time, or word,""" start="00:07:43.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or thought. I meticulously cut my videos""" start="00:07:48.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to create smooth dialogue.""" start="00:07:51.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I cut out large blocks of typing if not explained.""" start="00:07:54.080" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Though this does vary video to video.""" start="00:07:57.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Less scripted, more personal video receives less editing.""" start="00:07:59.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like this talk itself, it's not edited at all.""" start="00:08:03.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And though prerecorded, I wanted to present""" start="00:08:05.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my unfiltered, raw self.""" start="00:08:08.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""High-quality and accessible content""" start="00:08:11.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another goal of mine is high quality and accessible content.""" start="00:08:11.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I speak carefully and I tune my volume,""" start="00:08:15.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it easier to listen to,""" start="00:08:18.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and improving YouTube's auto-captioning.""" start="00:08:20.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Something I didn't consider at first,""" start="00:08:23.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but was mentioned to me in a comment, was color scheme.""" start="00:08:24.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I try to select a scheme""" start="00:08:28.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with good contrast and a readable font.""" start="00:08:29.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Content-wise, I design my tutorials""" start="00:08:33.280" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to ensure they cater to various skill levels,""" start="00:08:35.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as learning preferences.""" start="00:08:38.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My videos assume basic Emacs knowledge""" start="00:08:40.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not too much more.""" start="00:08:43.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Importantly, they're configuration agnostic.""" start="00:08:44.520" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However you feel about Emacs' 'distributions',""" start="00:08:47.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Doom, Spacemacs, etc, they're out there,""" start="00:08:50.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and beginners often don't distinguish.""" start="00:08:53.120" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I admit it can be a bit frustrating to see a Reddit post""" start="00:08:57.920" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asking a question about unexpected behavior,""" start="00:09:02.040" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without mention of the fact that they have""" start="00:09:04.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literally thousands of lines of non-standard configuration""" start="00:09:06.180" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the form of an Emacs distribution.""" start="00:09:09.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I do my best to mention different possible keybindings""" start="00:09:12.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a viewer might be using.""" start="00:09:14.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Most crucial aspect of my videos""" start="00:09:17.920" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There was one thing, though, that turned out to be""" start="00:09:17.920" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most crucial part of my videos and series.""" start="00:09:19.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's one of the reasons itself for this talk.""" start="00:09:23.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You may have already picked up on it.""" start="00:09:25.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the personal aspect. Sharing myself.""" start="00:09:27.880" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Incorporating relatable examples,""" start="00:09:31.120" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scenarios that resonate with my audience.""" start="00:09:33.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Seeing personal use cases, examples,""" start="00:09:36.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and demonstrations of real life Emacs use""" start="00:09:39.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is really what began to build a community.""" start="00:09:41.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because that's the stuff that can jump out of the video""" start="00:09:44.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and into the comments.""" start="00:09:47.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""A broadening community""" start="00:09:50.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The idea for this talk started""" start="00:09:50.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a story of my YouTube journey.""" start="00:09:53.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted to share how I began sharing Emacs""" start="00:09:55.240" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and why I like it. And I think I've done that.""" start="00:09:57.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to the EmacsConf organizers, though,""" start="00:10:00.960" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started to see a larger vision.""" start="00:10:03.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each video I made took a lot of effort,""" start="00:10:06.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from research and planning to script writing,""" start="00:10:08.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""filming and editing. But those comments made it worth it --""" start="00:10:11.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people saying that straightforward Emacs""" start="00:10:14.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was just what they were looking for,""" start="00:10:16.840" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that they appreciated my sharing.""" start="00:10:17.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's what made me want to continue.""" start="00:10:20.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And what made me want to continue even more""" start="00:10:22.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was the community I was building.""" start="00:10:25.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd start to see repeat viewers""" start="00:10:28.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who'd come back for my latest upload.""" start="00:10:30.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard for me to find time to produce videos.""" start="00:10:32.640" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But whether it was two weeks or four months later""" start="00:10:34.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I finally got around to uploading,""" start="00:10:38.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those same commenters would be there for me.""" start="00:10:40.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I found real joy in actively engaging with my audience.""" start="00:10:43.280" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was amazing to see how my videos --""" start="00:10:47.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me sharing useful Emacs tips,""" start="00:10:49.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing the way I do things -- sparked broader discussions.""" start="00:10:51.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On any chat form out there, there's no doubt""" start="00:10:55.120" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll find some sort of cross discourse.""" start="00:10:56.980" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd see viewers replying to other commenters,""" start="00:10:59.720" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my videos were no exception. Seeing how""" start="00:11:02.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my videos sparked conversation,""" start="00:11:04.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debate and further interest was incredible.""" start="00:11:06.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sharing Emacs""" start="00:11:10.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We've had two amazing days of sharing Emacs,""" start="00:11:10.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""putting ourselves out there, and sharing in a community.""" start="00:11:14.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to emphasize how amazing""" start="00:11:17.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a strong community with the right values is,""" start="00:11:19.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to inspire each and every one of us""" start="00:11:22.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do our part to strengthen that community.""" start="00:11:24.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The point of my talk isn't to tell you""" start="00:11:27.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to pick up your microphone and produce a YouTube video,""" start="00:11:30.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""though that wouldn't hurt.""" start="00:11:33.120" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're not all interested in that, and that's okay.""" start="00:11:34.560" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I want everybody to pat themselves on the back""" start="00:11:37.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the mere fact that we are here together.""" start="00:11:41.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then let's turn to the potential within our community.""" start="00:11:44.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Platforms""" start="00:11:48.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First, though, I'll briefly note""" start="00:11:48.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that everyone has their opinions about platforms,""" start="00:11:50.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm not here to make judgments,""" start="00:11:52.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but freedom, equity, and accessibility are important,""" start="00:11:53.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but reach is, too.""" start="00:11:56.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Achieving unity""" start="00:11:57.922" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Regardless of the platform,""" start="00:11:57.922" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one thing remains certain:""" start="00:12:00.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our strength lies in unity.""" start="00:12:02.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like any online community, this calls for unique ways""" start="00:12:05.400" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to come together and share. How can we achieve this unity?""" start="00:12:08.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The key is finding avenues""" start="00:12:13.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where our collective knowledge and our support can flourish,""" start="00:12:15.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while each person can find a place for themselves,""" start="00:12:18.800" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating a more connected and empowered Emacs community.""" start="00:12:21.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From uplifting others with positive contributions""" start="00:12:25.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to engaging on platforms like Reddit,""" start="00:12:29.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both idealistic and concrete approaches are really valuable.""" start="00:12:31.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can continue lively debate""" start="00:12:35.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on community forums and discussion boards,""" start="00:12:36.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encouraging a positive and inclusive atmosphere""" start="00:12:38.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for asking questions and seeking help.""" start="00:12:41.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can leverage social media platforms to share quick tips,""" start="00:12:44.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tricks, or interesting discoveries related to Emacs.""" start="00:12:48.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those who enjoy writing""" start="00:12:51.480" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can contribute to blogs and newsletters,""" start="00:12:52.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing personal expertise and experiences""" start="00:12:54.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a larger audience.""" start="00:12:57.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's also not underestimate the value of online video,""" start="00:12:59.240" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I've said, and learning platforms too.""" start="00:13:02.960" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Creating and sharing tutorials""" start="00:13:05.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on platforms like YouTube or educational websites""" start="00:13:07.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""addresses specific aspects of Emacs and benefits learners,""" start="00:13:10.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while contributing a personal touch.""" start="00:13:14.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Participating in or organizing Emacs-related courses""" start="00:13:17.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also fosters a structured learning""" start="00:13:20.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""environment where there's so much room""" start="00:13:22.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for mentorship and support,""" start="00:13:24.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is valuable for everyone involved.""" start="00:13:26.080" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Every contribution is valuable""" start="00:13:30.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We can also call on our open source [* free software] values""" start="00:13:30.000" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and focus on collaborative projects,""" start="00:13:32.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from coding projects where we can contribute and learn""" start="00:13:34.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to building shared documentation and guides""" start="00:13:38.240" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that compile collective knowledge on specific topics --""" start="00:13:41.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs Wiki is a great place""" start="00:13:44.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start and continue that work as well.""" start="00:13:46.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Especially for those who might be less willing""" start="00:13:49.600" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put themselves out there,""" start="00:13:51.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's essential to recognize that every contribution,""" start="00:13:53.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regardless of its scale, adds value to our community.""" start="00:13:56.200" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Documentation contributions, however small,""" start="00:13:59.520" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can go a long way. So do translations,""" start="00:14:02.120" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for those who are able to increase accessibility,""" start="00:14:04.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as testing and bug reporting.""" start="00:14:07.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reporting issues to package maintainers""" start="00:14:09.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in their desired format -- speaking as one myself,""" start="00:14:11.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I appreciate when users give helpful feedback.""" start="00:14:14.020" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are options for everybody, big and small.""" start="00:14:16.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Remember, the strength of our community""" start="00:14:20.480" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lies in its ability to share, collaborate,""" start="00:14:22.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and learn together. Whether through collaborative projects,""" start="00:14:25.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing insights on forums, or leveraging social media,""" start="00:14:29.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by embracing these ideas, we can build""" start="00:14:32.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a more connected and empowered Emacs community.""" start="00:14:34.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:14:40.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now Emacs is so very personal.""" start="00:14:40.300" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Those of us who have our own""" start="00:14:43.760" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""carefully manicured configurations understand --""" start="00:14:44.940" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs molds to our liking and our person.""" start="00:14:47.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Our configurations and use-cases""" start="00:14:50.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are a reflection of our individuality.""" start="00:14:53.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nonetheless, the richness of our community""" start="00:14:56.380" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lies in collaboration, sharing, and learning together.""" start="00:14:59.320" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot of talk in the community""" start="00:15:04.620" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how to ensure Emacs' longevity.""" start="00:15:06.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I agree it's important.""" start="00:15:09.560" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We care because of passion, excitement,""" start="00:15:11.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and utility. We want to share""" start="00:15:13.820" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we want to have others love what we love.""" start="00:15:16.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also want a stronger community""" start="00:15:19.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that fosters new innovation.""" start="00:15:21.100" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to buy into complaints I'd read online""" start="00:15:23.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Emacs' defaults are too unapproachable.""" start="00:15:26.540" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The default color scheme and the font is unappealing.""" start="00:15:29.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fix that and people will flock.""" start="00:15:33.420" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sounds fair, I'd think.""" start="00:15:35.700" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Turns out, it's not what we need.""" start="00:15:37.740" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is bigger than that.""" start="00:15:40.640" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What we need is like what we've done here this weekend.""" start="00:15:42.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like EmacsConf. It's the absolute epitome""" start="00:15:45.780" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of sharing about and caring about Emacs.""" start="00:15:49.660" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are here both working to grow our community,""" start="00:15:53.900" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to strengthen what we already have.""" start="00:15:56.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're here because we find joy in Emacs,""" start="00:16:00.140" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that joy is amplified by sharing it""" start="00:16:02.580" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with and among others.""" start="00:16:05.860" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's continue this journey together,""" start="00:16:07.680" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""navigating Emacs with a spirit of collaboration,""" start="00:16:10.220" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because in unity, we find not just strength""" start="00:16:13.460" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the enduring legacy of a tool that we hold very dear.""" start="00:16:17.260" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you to everybody here""" start="00:16:22.060" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being part of this shared adventure.""" start="00:16:23.340" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go forth and share, together.""" start="00:16:26.500" video="mainVideo-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="sharing-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're live. So whoever's in the""" start="00:00:05.940" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background might be able to see you live in""" start="00:00:08.240" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about 10 seconds as soon as the stream""" start="00:00:09.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""catches up. Hi Jacob, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:11.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Got that? We're live. I'm doing well.""" start="00:00:12.360" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are you doing today?""" start="00:00:13.080" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I am doing well and this is the very last""" start="00:00:16.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk of the day so I'm very excited not""" start="00:00:17.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it finishes but because I am tired""" start="00:00:20.020" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah very understandable.""" start="00:00:22.080" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well thanks for all of your hard work.""" start="00:00:23.860" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We all really appreciate it and all the other""" start="00:00:26.180" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organizers.""" start="00:00:26.320" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: and need some sleep. Well on behalf of all""" start="00:00:28.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the organizers thank you but you know it all""" start="00:00:30.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes it all worthwhile when we see the""" start="00:00:33.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""valuable contribution that every single 1 of""" start="00:00:36.280" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our speakers are making,""" start="00:00:37.160" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not only for recording their talks,""" start="00:00:39.559" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a tough demand on people to say,""" start="00:00:42.180" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh, if you want to go to EmacsConf,""" start="00:00:43.420" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might want to record your talk.""" start="00:00:45.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But then almost all of you do it and you""" start="00:00:48.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""spend a lot of time with us answering""" start="00:00:50.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. So we couldn't do it.""" start="00:00:51.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, we wouldn't be spending as much""" start="00:00:53.680" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""energy, half as much energy,""" start="00:00:54.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if we didn't believe that it was worth it.""" start="00:00:58.320" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now it's me thanking you on behalf of all""" start="00:01:01.120" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the speakers.""" start="00:01:01.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well thank you that's part of what I wanted""" start="00:01:03.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get across in my talk was that coming""" start="00:01:06.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together and sharing ourselves and you know""" start="00:01:08.800" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not just putting little little essays out""" start="00:01:11.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there and single videos but coming together""" start="00:01:13.020" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a community you know sharing ourselves our""" start="00:01:15.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""faces our voices you know it really brings us""" start="00:01:18.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together and makes everyone stronger.""" start="00:01:19.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Exactly, and I think it's been a recurring""" start="00:01:22.940" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""theme. Most of the talks we have at""" start="00:01:27.280" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf, they're usually about sharing,""" start="00:01:28.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""obviously, sharing the knowledge that they've""" start="00:01:30.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""acquired, either writing a package or""" start="00:01:32.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learning how to use Emacs as a professor in""" start="00:01:35.860" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""academia or stuff like this.""" start="00:01:37.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I particularly like this year about""" start="00:01:39.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the different talks we've had is that they've""" start="00:01:41.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really made the sharing even more obvious.""" start="00:01:44.479" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've had the mentoring this afternoon and we""" start="00:01:46.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have your talk about using videos as a""" start="00:01:49.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different medium to get into something.""" start="00:01:51.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I really think in terms of accessibility""" start="00:01:54.020" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Emacs, all of you who talked about this""" start="00:01:58.780" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""topic are doing a wonderful job.""" start="00:01:59.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, thank you again for all of this.""" start="00:02:01.400" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you. Yeah, do we have any questions to""" start="00:02:04.080" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be answering?""" start="00:02:04.360" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so only 1 for now and I'll invite""" start="00:02:08.199" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people as usual to please add their question""" start="00:02:10.860" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the pad or to join us on BBB.""" start="00:02:12.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now the chat is open if you want to join us""" start="00:02:15.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on BBB and ask your questions directly.""" start="00:02:17.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in the meantime, I will read the first""" start="00:02:20.520" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question. So, Kroting,""" start="00:02:22.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you using OxReveal to make your slides?""" start="00:02:25.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If not, what are you using?""" start="00:02:26.520" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They look very elegant,""" start="00:02:27.740" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I concur.""" start="00:02:28.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: That's true. I am using OxReveal.""" start="00:02:32.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a whole entire video on it.""" start="00:02:35.320" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you're interested,""" start="00:02:36.020" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to take a look.""" start="00:02:37.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very simple to get started with.""" start="00:02:39.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are a lot of different packages to use""" start="00:02:42.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reveal.js and Emacs. OxReveal or OrgReveal""" start="00:02:45.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be pretty easy to use.""" start="00:02:47.320" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So try that 1 out. Yeah,""" start="00:02:48.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's really nice.""" start="00:02:49.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Awesome. I'm going to give a little bit of""" start="00:02:54.020" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time for the other people to finish writing""" start="00:02:55.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""their answer. In the meantime,""" start="00:02:56.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll ask you 1 of my own.""" start="00:02:58.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you said you were in college,""" start="00:02:59.620" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? In com sci. Sorry,""" start="00:03:01.500" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah.""" start="00:03:02.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: computer science. I think it's great to find""" start="00:03:07.240" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people in computer science who have,""" start="00:03:08.860" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the get-go, as soon as their bachelor,""" start="00:03:11.780" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an appetite for sharing and vulgarizing a lot""" start="00:03:16.220" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of knowledge. Because it feels like if you""" start="00:03:17.780" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get started like this,""" start="00:03:18.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're gonna have a well over time as you""" start="00:03:20.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""progress with the learning.""" start="00:03:21.500" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm very excited to see what you do in the""" start="00:03:23.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming years because of this.""" start="00:03:24.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thank you, thank you, yeah.""" start="00:03:26.420" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Emacs has been like very central to my""" start="00:03:29.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""education as well. It's a great way to sort""" start="00:03:32.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of organize myself and also it's a good way""" start="00:03:34.460" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to share with other people with Org Mode.""" start="00:03:36.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can export my code, I can export notes.""" start="00:03:38.000" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes it so simple.""" start="00:03:39.340" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My peers are also impressed by my PDF""" start="00:03:42.240" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documents and whatever I can produce with""" start="00:03:44.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah. If only they knew how much time it""" start="00:03:48.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""takes us to get LaTeX to behave properly.""" start="00:03:49.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Emacs. Right, right. I see some more""" start="00:03:52.680" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions coming in I can answer.""" start="00:03:53.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure, I'll read it for you so that it's a""" start="00:03:56.940" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little more interactive.""" start="00:03:57.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, second question. Videos can be very""" start="00:03:59.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inspirational to learn about something by""" start="00:04:01.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching it used. I often find it,""" start="00:04:04.860" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often find that I need to do some research""" start="00:04:07.080" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after watching a video to learn more.""" start="00:04:09.120" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you give people links to relevant""" start="00:04:10.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""resources or etc?""" start="00:04:11.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, that's something I could definitely do""" start="00:04:15.060" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more of. 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Well, you said I have the no""" start="00:20:09.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""small task of making the last words from""" start="00:20:12.180" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presenters and not the organizers at""" start="00:20:14.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf. And I said,""" start="00:20:16.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, that's not hard at all.""" start="00:20:17.880" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How many speakers have we had?""" start="00:20:20.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""30? And it's so incredible these past,""" start="00:20:24.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, today and yesterday to have all""" start="00:20:26.880" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been able to come together and not just share""" start="00:20:29.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our ideas and our code and how we do things,""" start="00:20:33.920" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to share our faces and our voices and our""" start="00:20:38.000" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lives, you know a little bit of our lives.""" start="00:20:39.780" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know to have the passion to even spend""" start="00:20:42.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the time to on your weekend to watch this""" start="00:20:44.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""means that you have some sort of care about""" start="00:20:47.440" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs and it adds to your life.""" start="00:20:49.160" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you know those Emacs people aren't""" start="00:20:51.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everywhere. I've tried to bring my friends""" start="00:20:53.620" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""onto Emacs and it seems like you know you're""" start="00:20:56.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs person or you're not really an Emacs""" start="00:20:58.900" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""person. And those Emacs people can be really""" start="00:21:02.360" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""spread out. 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It means a lot to even the smallest""" start="00:21:27.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""member, the biggest member of our community.""" start="00:21:29.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're all really glad to be able to come""" start="00:21:33.480" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together like this and share and meet each""" start="00:21:36.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other and give nice talks.""" start="00:21:37.820" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, thank you so much,""" start="00:21:40.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jacob. 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But in case you're craving this""" start="00:22:14.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little extra in-person stuff,""" start="00:22:17.260" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sash and myself, we are maintaining a list of""" start="00:22:20.280" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the Emacs user group.""" start="00:22:21.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is on the Emacs wiki.""" start="00:22:22.680" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is what I'm sharing on my screen""" start="00:22:24.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""currently. And we try to organize them by""" start="00:22:27.500" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""regional region, sorry,""" start="00:22:30.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""parts of the world like North America,""" start="00:22:31.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""South America, Europe,""" start="00:22:32.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Africa, Asia. And we have a list of upcoming""" start="00:22:36.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""events and a lot of them are still online.""" start="00:22:39.000" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ever since we had the entire pandemic stuff,""" start="00:22:41.420" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of the workshops moved online and,""" start="00:22:46.940" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry, I had someone whispering in my ear.""" start="00:22:49.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A lot of them moved online and they are still""" start="00:22:53.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""online now because they've realized it's a""" start="00:22:54.960" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very great way to get more people in the same""" start="00:22:57.100" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""place. And whilst it's great to have""" start="00:22:59.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-person meetings, We do this with Emacs""" start="00:23:01.560" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Paris. Emacs Paris actually is happening is""" start="00:23:05.140" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it? I think, oh I'm going to need to tell""" start="00:23:07.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasha that apparently yes we do not have the""" start="00:23:10.200" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next event for Emacs Paris which is next""" start="00:23:12.380" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tuesday and it is in person but for everyone""" start="00:23:14.700" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and including you Jacob if you find a""" start="00:23:18.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""workshop in North America that is working for""" start="00:23:20.460" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you, I'm thinking about Emacs SF,""" start="00:23:22.540" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I've attended multiple times,""" start="00:23:24.660" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs Austin as well,""" start="00:23:27.980" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've been to once,""" start="00:23:29.060" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, It would be a lovely experience and""" start="00:23:31.640" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a way to, most of them are every month,""" start="00:23:34.160" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be a good way for you to stay in""" start="00:23:36.040" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""touch and to continue this sense of""" start="00:23:39.240" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-person-ness about Emacs.""" start="00:23:40.580" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Wonderful. 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In the meantime,""" start="00:24:47.720" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll put on some music.""" start="00:24:48.840" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So bear with us and I'll see you shortly.""" start="00:24:51.300" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And closing here. This BBB recording.""" start="00:25:15.660" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yay!""" start="00:25:16.360" video="qanda-sharing" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [jakebox0@protonmail.com](mailto:jakebox0@protonmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sharing%3A%20Sharing%20Emacs%20is%20Caring%20Emacs%3A%20Emacs%20education%20and%20why%20I%20embraced%20video) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sharing-before.md b/2023/info/sharing-before.md index 376dee32..52b1a3f1 100644 --- a/2023/info/sharing-before.md +++ b/2023/info/sharing-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,28 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 17-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-sharing"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-sharing" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:49.000 My journey of learning +04:03.400 Straightforward Emacs +05:32.120 Videos +07:16.400 Clarity +08:10.360 High-quality and accessible content +09:15.920 The personal aspect +11:48.120 Unity + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 16:34 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-sharing">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=fe7f19d2e265788af1e6dd62bba52ef0ee6e0d42-1701636136078">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.opus">Download --main.opus (8.8MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--main.webm">Download --main.webm (47MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--previous.mkv">Download --previous.mkv (377MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--script.txt">Download --script.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman.org">Download .org</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman.txt">Download .txt</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/3b5XfkceUaRjJuN5Pumgee">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/L897BU3BT6g">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-sharing"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sharing--sharing-emacs-is-caring-emacs-emacs-education-and-why-i-embraced-video--jacob-boxerman--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sharing-nav.md b/2023/info/sharing-nav.md index 9210a56c..8443c8c4 100644 --- a/2023/info/sharing-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/sharing-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/web">Emacs saves the Web (maybe)</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/matplotllm">MatplotLLM, iterative natural language data visualization in org-babel</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/solo-after.md b/2023/info/solo-after.md index 6410f045..e585e9a2 100644 --- a/2023/info/solo-after.md +++ b/2023/info/solo-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,733 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [howard@howardabrams.com](mailto:howard@howardabrams.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20solo%3A%20How%20I%20play%20TTRPGs%20in%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="solo-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi there, I'm Howard Abrams. You may remember me""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from past conference talks""" start="00:00:05.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as "Literate DevOps and the Temple of Doom"""" start="00:00:07.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "Using Eshell for Fun and Profit".""" start="00:00:10.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm here to talk to you about my latest Emacs project:""" start="00:00:13.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""playing games, solo role-playing games.""" start="00:00:16.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started playing RPGs when I got my first copy""" start="00:00:19.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Dungeons & Dragons when I was 12.""" start="00:00:23.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, my original copy burned""" start="00:00:25.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Great Satanic Panic of the 1980s,""" start="00:00:28.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's another story.""" start="00:00:30.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started playing other RPGs like GURPS.""" start="00:00:32.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are some of my notes.""" start="00:00:37.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Back then, I was typing them in Emacs,""" start="00:00:40.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I formatted them with LaTeX.""" start="00:00:42.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Later, when I was introducing my kids""" start="00:00:46.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to role-playing games,""" start="00:00:49.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually typed them up still in Emacs,""" start="00:00:50.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now formatted them for a tablet.""" start="00:00:53.581" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote a little JavaScript code""" start="00:00:57.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allowed me to click on it, and it would roll dice,""" start="00:00:59.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate random events, keep track of turn order,""" start="00:01:03.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, everything,""" start="00:01:06.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I didn't have to slow down the action of the game.""" start="00:01:07.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, when my kids got older,""" start="00:01:10.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I still managed to sneak in a game of D&D""" start="00:01:13.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""once a week at lunch.""" start="00:01:15.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This pastime came to a screeching halt with the pandemic.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solo RPGs""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I turned to playing role-playing games by myself""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get my fix. Playing these silly elf games in solo mode""" start="00:01:23.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been part of the game for many years,""" start="00:01:28.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with so many of us stuck at home,""" start="00:01:29.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""solo role-playing games really expanded,""" start="00:01:32.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creative people releasing some amazing ideas.""" start="00:01:35.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What's a solo RPG like? Well, it's somewhere in the middle""" start="00:01:40.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of writing your own story, where anything's possible,""" start="00:01:44.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you've got to do all the imaginative work;""" start="00:01:47.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or reading a choose-your-own-adventure book,""" start="00:01:50.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the text is given to you,""" start="00:01:53.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you have free, a few predetermined paths;""" start="00:01:55.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and tactical battle games,""" start="00:01:59.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where dice determines everything.""" start="00:02:01.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It kind of fits in the sweet spot between those.""" start="00:02:03.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While I started removing the Game Master""" start="00:02:05.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the Mythic GM Emulator,""" start="00:02:08.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ironsworn really captivated me.""" start="00:02:12.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I began with dice, pencils, notebooks, you know,""" start="00:02:15.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like when I was a kid. But taking notes on paper?""" start="00:02:19.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, you know me. That's not my jam. Org mode is.""" start="00:02:23.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, you know, notes have to be in Org,""" start="00:02:28.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, why not write a little dice roller in Lisp?""" start="00:02:31.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, when Shawn Tomkin released his Ironsworn""" start="00:02:35.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under the Creative Commons, well,""" start="00:02:38.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could just download the entire text.""" start="00:02:41.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I figured I could just render the entire game in Emacs.""" start="00:02:43.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right, enough talk. Let's get some Emacs action here,""" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while I show you a bit of my game.""" start="00:02:51.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When playing a solo RPG,""" start="00:02:55.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I jot down the story notes in an Org file.""" start="00:02:57.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, did you expect anything less from me?""" start="00:02:59.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I alternate between lengthy prose and short notes.""" start="00:03:02.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I'm both the writer and the audience,""" start="00:03:07.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the goal is just enjoyment.""" start="00:03:10.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this document is both a record log of my game sessions,""" start="00:03:12.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as my character's character sheet.""" start="00:03:17.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In most RPGs, a player's focus is a character sheet""" start="00:03:20.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that lists all the attributes, the stats, equipment,""" start="00:03:24.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powers, you know, that sort of thing.""" start="00:03:27.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For my game, I wanted the focus to be the prose,""" start="00:03:28.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or at least the notes.""" start="00:03:32.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I put down all the stats as Org mode properties.""" start="00:03:34.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I can collapse a property drawer""" start="00:03:38.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have functions""" start="00:03:40.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that just grab values from these properties.""" start="00:03:42.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, let's play. While not important to my talk,""" start="00:03:45.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm in the middle of a game. My character, Tegan,""" start="00:03:50.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""promised to help a village by tracking down""" start="00:03:52.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the son of a village chief. A less-than-stellar roll""" start="00:03:54.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meant I didn't catch him before he entered""" start="00:03:59.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the mysterious underground structure""" start="00:04:01.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of a relic of an ancient people.""" start="00:04:03.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just finished playing out the journey,""" start="00:04:06.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he's about to enter into the Catacombs of Svala's Blood.""" start="00:04:08.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Randomization""" start="00:04:11.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Why that name? Well, that was actually what came up""" start="00:04:11.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from an extensive random number generator that I wrote.""" start="00:04:15.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I wrote more and more functions""" start="00:04:19.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me play this game,""" start="00:04:21.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and since I don't play all the time,""" start="00:04:23.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I created hydra. I can roll dice,""" start="00:04:25.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can roll dice challenges against the character stats,""" start="00:04:30.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can adjust stats. Lots of random generators""" start="00:04:34.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come from this oracle section.""" start="00:04:38.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, are footprints going through the door?""" start="00:04:39.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I press `c`, and I'm prompted with how likely.""" start="00:04:43.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since the villagers gave Tegan vague directions,""" start="00:04:46.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he didn't see any signs the contrary,""" start="00:04:51.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I chose "likely". And, well, it originally said yes,""" start="00:04:53.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's why I jotted this information down.""" start="00:04:58.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, this is different than my character's ability""" start="00:05:01.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to notice the prints. This is about generating the story,""" start="00:05:03.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that the game master would do""" start="00:05:07.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a typical role-playing game.""" start="00:05:10.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, if I wanted to name something,""" start="00:05:12.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even the current weather,""" start="00:05:14.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have random tables with the `C` keystroke.""" start="00:05:16.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hmm, weather. Oh, it's summer, so hey,""" start="00:05:20.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's nice and clear. All right, let's play.""" start="00:05:27.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Moves""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The action in Ironsworn,""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like other Powered by the Apocalypse games,""" start="00:05:34.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is driven by moves. So, I hit the `m` key,""" start="00:05:37.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the moves show up.""" start="00:05:44.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I don't think I need to espouse""" start="00:05:46.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the virtues of completing-read enhancements like Ivy.""" start="00:05:49.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I'm using orderless with vertico""" start="00:05:52.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me find my choices.""" start="00:05:55.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I've discovered a site, let's play that move.""" start="00:05:57.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reference""" start="00:06:03.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I seldom remember the details for the moves,""" start="00:06:03.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I figured, why not put the text of the book""" start="00:06:06.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in an Org file and show it in a side window?""" start="00:06:09.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The prompt at the bottom, asking for a name,""" start="00:06:11.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is driven by the content in the displayed Org file.""" start="00:06:15.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This allows me to enhance my game without""" start="00:06:18.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changing the original code. So, let's call this story arc,""" start="00:06:21.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Exploring the Catacombs of Svala's Blood.""" start="00:06:25.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ooh, sounds epic.""" start="00:06:31.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Story arcs""" start="00:06:34.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Ironsworn tracks the beats of a narrative,""" start="00:06:34.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so major plot points take up more room in the fiction""" start="00:06:37.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than minor plot points.""" start="00:06:40.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Similar games like Blades in the Dark""" start="00:06:42.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use numbers to track these, so you can say something like,""" start="00:06:45.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're three quarters of the way through this story arc.""" start="00:06:48.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ironsworn just uses labels,""" start="00:06:51.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and while I want this particular story arc""" start="00:06:53.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be significant, I really just want to get in,""" start="00:06:55.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find this person, and get out.""" start="00:06:59.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I'm going to call this "short".""" start="00:07:00.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, it's asking about an Org mode header placement.""" start="00:07:04.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While I originally wanted my Org files""" start="00:07:09.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be completely flexible,""" start="00:07:12.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one thing I noticed in playing""" start="00:07:13.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that a pattern always emerged.""" start="00:07:15.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The story became a tree. You see, story arcs""" start="00:07:18.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""were just a series of montages or scenes,""" start="00:07:22.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and each of those were made of a series of events""" start="00:07:25.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and challenges to overcome.""" start="00:07:27.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, each Org mode header has a track,""" start="00:07:29.120" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which often becomes the number of subheadings.""" start="00:07:32.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At any point, I can see how much track is being made.""" start="00:07:35.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for instance, this one seems to be""" start="00:07:40.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about a third of the way through.""" start="00:07:47.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Using different stats""" start="00:07:48.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So, let's dive into this ancient place.""" start="00:07:48.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I've been walking through a misty forest,""" start="00:07:52.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can imagine vines hiding an immense door""" start="00:07:55.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a humid, earthy smell as I peer inside.""" start="00:07:59.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I don't have to write that stuff down,""" start="00:08:01.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if I want to practice my writing, I can.""" start="00:08:04.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can imagine the place is dark,""" start="00:08:06.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so Tegan lights a torch""" start="00:08:09.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before peering into this obscure world.""" start="00:08:10.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As this move mentions,""" start="00:08:13.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next move to make is called Delve the Depths.""" start="00:08:15.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As soon as I select this move,""" start="00:08:20.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it shows up on the side window, and explains that,""" start="00:08:26.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on how you're moving through""" start="00:08:31.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this ancient catacombs,""" start="00:08:34.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what kind of stat I roll against,""" start="00:08:36.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and those stats show up at the bottom.""" start="00:08:38.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, if I'm sneaking around, you roll against "shadow".""" start="00:08:41.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're trying to go as fast as you can, it's "edge".""" start="00:08:45.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I kind of imagine that he's thinking through,""" start="00:08:47.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""being very careful about it.""" start="00:08:51.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I'm going to select "wits".""" start="00:08:53.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't have any modifiers.""" start="00:08:55.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just about every one of my stats prompts me""" start="00:08:57.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I want to add or subtract any values.""" start="00:08:59.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Dice rolls""" start="00:09:02.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""A miss. I should explain how the dice roll in this game.""" start="00:09:02.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The downside to Ironsworn is that""" start="00:09:09.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the dice mechanics are more cumbersome than other games.""" start="00:09:13.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You roll a 6-sided die, add to it your relevant stat,""" start="00:09:16.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plus any modifiers. Next, you roll two 10-sided die""" start="00:09:20.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see how it compares.""" start="00:09:24.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I programmed this in Lisp,""" start="00:09:25.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when I displayed it, I wanted to see all the dice.""" start="00:09:28.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also just wanted to see the end results.""" start="00:09:31.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Dangers""" start="00:09:34.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I colored it. I rolled a miss,""" start="00:09:34.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means I need to reveal a danger.""" start="00:09:37.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, I could imagine all sorts of dangers,""" start="00:09:39.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is a game.""" start="00:09:43.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've already made a random generator for dangers.""" start="00:09:44.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, I've made a random generator""" start="00:09:48.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for dangers in an ancient underkeep.""" start="00:09:51.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Discovery undermines or complicates the quest.""" start="00:09:55.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hmm, a complication for finding the chief's son?""" start="00:10:00.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What about a labyrinth full of hallways and levels""" start="00:10:09.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with lots of choices and almost no way of finding them?""" start="00:10:13.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that sounds like it fits pretty well.""" start="00:10:16.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""A strong success""" start="00:10:19.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Time for another move. This time, we're going to""" start="00:10:19.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gather information,""" start="00:10:26.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see if we can figure out which way to go.""" start="00:10:28.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A strong hit. Excellent.""" start="00:10:32.280" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I imagine Tegan noticing footprints in the dust""" start="00:10:34.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and knowing where to go.""" start="00:10:38.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The game suggests that when you get a strong success,""" start="00:10:40.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can increase your momentum.""" start="00:10:44.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These game mechanics""" start="00:10:45.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come into play later, but this function here""" start="00:10:48.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allows me to adjust that stat +2.""" start="00:10:51.755" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't even have to scroll to the top of the buffer""" start="00:10:57.881" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and edit that value in my properties.""" start="00:11:01.461" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At any point, I can take a look at those stats""" start="00:11:04.821" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see how they measure up.""" start="00:11:08.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, I don't have to scroll up""" start="00:11:10.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and take a look at my properties""" start="00:11:13.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the top of the Org mode file.""" start="00:11:14.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's how I play the game.""" start="00:11:16.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a recursive loop of playing a move,""" start="00:11:19.240" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rolling some dice to see how it works,""" start="00:11:24.640" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to answer the question""" start="00:11:27.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on your own imagination or random tables,""" start="00:11:30.160" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which the game calls oracles,""" start="00:11:33.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and play creatively until you decide to take a break""" start="00:11:35.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and pick it up another time.""" start="00:11:41.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you get the gist of how I play""" start="00:11:42.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this dice and pencil game in Org Mode.""" start="00:11:47.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Other solo RPGs""" start="00:11:49.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""However, I found more solo RPGs to play.""" start="00:11:49.680" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, I want to render them in Emacs too.""" start="00:11:54.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This code for Ironsworn was a bit too specific,""" start="00:11:57.320" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I decided to create a role-playing game toolkit.""" start="00:12:00.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This project is still in the early stages,""" start="00:12:04.760" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I've created some functions""" start="00:12:09.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for mimicking rolling dice, including a mini-DSL for""" start="00:12:12.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making dice mechanics""" start="00:12:16.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typical of many role-playing game systems.""" start="00:12:19.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've also ported over the random table system.""" start="00:12:22.840" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A text file can just list entries to be displayed at random.""" start="00:12:26.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love that I can put dice expression""" start="00:12:30.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and word choices in the entries.""" start="00:12:33.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One type of random table allows you""" start="00:12:35.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to essentially copy and paste a table""" start="00:12:39.440" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a published game into a text file.""" start="00:12:41.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A frequency table is what I'm calling""" start="00:12:43.800" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a list of random entries where some entries show up""" start="00:12:47.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more often than others. I'm working on generalizing""" start="00:12:50.880" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the character sheet attributes as Org properties,""" start="00:12:55.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you're interested, check out the project at Codeberg.""" start="00:12:59.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:13:04.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The point of my presentation is not to show off Ironsworn,""" start="00:13:04.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how I programmed it, or even this new toolkit.""" start="00:13:10.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You see, most engineers,""" start="00:13:14.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when they get an idea for a game like mine,""" start="00:13:17.560" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would make a web app. Nothing wrong with it.""" start="00:13:20.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More people can play it,""" start="00:13:24.080" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but web apps suffer from text entry.""" start="00:13:25.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And don't tell me you prefer the keyboard interface""" start="00:13:28.200" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Google Docs. Oh, and the JavaScript framework du jour?""" start="00:13:30.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I mean, that's a huge barrier of entry""" start="00:13:35.960" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when all you want to do""" start="00:13:40.400" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is have a bit of fun prototyping a game.""" start="00:13:42.040" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I'd like to impress upon you""" start="00:13:44.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that hacking Emacs to make personal games is a trip.""" start="00:13:48.480" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Learning Lisp is, it's easy.""" start="00:13:54.000" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And more, Emacs Lisp has some, well sure,""" start="00:13:57.360" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it has some cruft. But really, some of those features""" start="00:14:00.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I would hate at a distributed system at work,""" start="00:14:04.520" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like global variables, makes hacking easier""" start="00:14:07.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you just want to have some fun in your own system.""" start="00:14:10.920" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, grab your laptop, sink into your comfy chair,""" start="00:14:14.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pour yourself a glass of scotch,""" start="00:14:19.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and craft yourself an enjoyable evening.""" start="00:14:21.600" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Happy hacking, my friends.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="mainVideo-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: sachac + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="solo-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. Okay, so hi everyone.""" start="00:00:02.899" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are now live. Hi Howard,""" start="00:00:04.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how are you doing? Great.""" start="00:00:06.339" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lovely to hear. As usual,""" start="00:00:09.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's always a pleasure to see your""" start="00:00:11.980" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation and the amount of time and""" start="00:00:14.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""energy you put into it.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Slightly sorry about the shoppiness of the""" start="00:00:17.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""broadcast. Do not worry,""" start="00:00:18.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the talk will be in its full 30 fps quality""" start="00:00:22.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the website after the conference.""" start="00:00:24.779" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, right now. It's available right""" start="00:00:26.759" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now. As usual, feel free to ask your""" start="00:00:30.099" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions in the in the pad.""" start="00:00:31.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've linked it both on the talk page and on""" start="00:00:34.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""IRC. I think I am on the right 1,""" start="00:00:38.400" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? This is a solo.""" start="00:00:40.080" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Guys, questions, where are they?""" start="00:00:42.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, we do have questions,""" start="00:00:45.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just that they're not in the right part.""" start="00:00:46.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so I'm going to start,""" start="00:00:47.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to read the questions to Howard and""" start="00:00:49.739" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Howard will be answering them.""" start="00:00:50.860" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you are interested in asking questions""" start="00:00:52.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directly to Howard, I see a lot of people""" start="00:00:54.620" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have joined us on BBB,""" start="00:00:55.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we'll first go through the questions on""" start="00:00:58.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the pad and then we'll move on to the people""" start="00:01:00.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on BBB. So Howard, starting with the first""" start="00:01:03.340" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, does table data allow for""" start="00:01:06.300" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recursion, e.g. The result that returns they""" start="00:01:08.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are random monster haunting the cavern""" start="00:01:10.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""entrance and we roll on random monster and""" start="00:01:14.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inject them, inject into the result?""" start="00:01:16.420" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry a little bit of a complicated question.""" start="00:01:17.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you want me to read it again,""" start="00:01:21.900" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps? Yeah, I think so.""" start="00:01:23.620" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't quite catch that.""" start="00:01:25.240" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so does the table data allow for""" start="00:01:28.860" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recursion? So I think...""" start="00:01:30.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.""" start="00:01:31.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it does. I put a little,""" start="00:01:33.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, there's some code that could,""" start="00:01:35.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you could, yeah, you get a random value""" start="00:01:38.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that gets inserted and that random value""" start="00:01:41.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could refer to another table and it can keep""" start="00:01:43.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on going. I have not pushed that that hard""" start="00:01:46.000" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because obviously it's,""" start="00:01:48.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it might be a little on the heavyweight side.""" start="00:01:50.880" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't imagine it to go too deep,""" start="00:01:52.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""though.""" start="00:01:52.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm pretty sure Emacs would be complaining if""" start="00:01:56.820" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you go a little too deep.""" start="00:01:57.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have something as Mike's list recursion,""" start="00:01:59.979" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like this. So don't worry.""" start="00:02:01.420" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Go willy nilly with your recursions.""" start="00:02:03.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've got comments about the fact that it's a""" start="00:02:07.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really cool project and I feel like everyone""" start="00:02:09.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching would be agreeing.""" start="00:02:10.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've got a question about where you can get""" start="00:02:14.100" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this. Do you have a github repository with""" start="00:02:16.620" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of this?""" start="00:02:17.080" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, and at the well at the end of the""" start="00:02:20.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation I kind of display that and I""" start="00:02:22.840" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think I put it at the top of the the pad""" start="00:02:25.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, there's a""" start="00:02:35.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yes. I don't go Gone please.""" start="00:02:36.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Nothing there. There's a lot of stuff that""" start="00:02:38.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""needs to be reformatted.""" start="00:02:40.080" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is all Aflacode, so obviously it's a""" start="00:02:46.820" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personal hack. So people should just steal""" start="00:02:49.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the code as opposed to looking at a real""" start="00:02:51.880" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project to use.""" start="00:02:52.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right, lovely. So this game plus CRDT should""" start="00:03:00.420" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be great for non-solid plays.""" start="00:03:01.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are you familiar with CRDT?""" start="00:03:03.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Well, so I used to use Flubits once upon a""" start="00:03:08.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time and after seeing the previous talk on""" start="00:03:11.880" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CRDT it's like, oh, I like that,""" start="00:03:14.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yes, I think that would be a fun idea.""" start="00:03:16.000" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I think I remember, so I did something much""" start="00:03:19.860" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more humble than you did.""" start="00:03:21.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did a little bit, a little package in Org""" start="00:03:24.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mode for rolling dice and you had like a""" start="00:03:27.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little formula like you could write 60 20 and""" start="00:03:31.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would throw 6 dice with 20 faces,""" start="00:03:34.740" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""60 sorry, 6 die, Frenchmen here in the room,""" start="00:03:39.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""20 faces and it would average them out or""" start="00:03:43.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provide you any kind of stats needed.""" start="00:03:45.140" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this type of stuff works really well over""" start="00:03:48.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CRDT because it's 1 edit inside of a file.""" start="00:03:52.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you start making edits in different parts""" start="00:03:55.900" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your file, it starts becoming a little""" start="00:03:58.780" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more complicated because CRDT struggles when""" start="00:04:02.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're making many discrete changes inside of""" start="00:04:04.480" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the same file. Does that make sense?""" start="00:04:05.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: It does, it does. Interesting.""" start="00:04:07.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, yeah, no, I have not played with it""" start="00:04:10.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yet.""" start="00:04:10.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well, feel free to play with it and if you've""" start="00:04:14.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got any kind of... 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I'm going back to the previous""" start="00:04:34.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question. So does the current version also""" start="00:04:37.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have some utilities for doing multiplayer,""" start="00:04:39.020" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like either physically or digitally,""" start="00:04:41.140" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like we've done with CRUT?""" start="00:04:42.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question is because you mentioned you""" start="00:04:45.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""previously did multiplayer session as well?""" start="00:04:47.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I mean, I was using the table,""" start="00:04:51.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the random table at a random entry kind of""" start="00:04:55.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing. I was using that at my table.""" start="00:04:58.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I'm an eternal DM.""" start="00:05:00.780" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would always use that.""" start="00:05:02.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like somebody says, what's the name of that""" start="00:05:05.020" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shopkeep? And I could just hit a key,""" start="00:05:07.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'd come up with the name,""" start="00:05:08.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd just read it off.""" start="00:05:10.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it was still me generating it.""" start="00:05:14.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it wasn't something that people would see""" start="00:05:17.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""necessarily, but I would keep notes in it and""" start="00:05:19.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then publish those notes.""" start="00:05:20.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yes, I don't know.""" start="00:05:24.240" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This sounds all kind of,""" start="00:05:25.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this sounds all intriguing.""" start="00:05:27.260" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this would be fun.""" start="00:05:28.840" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I need to get a group of like-minded""" start="00:05:32.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs people who want to play online.""" start="00:05:35.880" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm sure you've got plenty of people not only""" start="00:05:39.860" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching but also here in BBB.""" start="00:05:41.580" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we only have about 14 minutes until we go""" start="00:05:44.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the next talk and it might be a little""" start="00:05:46.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""short for a campaign, but we might just...""" start="00:05:48.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moving on to the next question,""" start="00:05:53.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how does 1 become super awesome like Howard""" start="00:05:56.480" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Abrams? And I very much agree.""" start="00:05:58.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure, yes. That's kind,""" start="00:05:58.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: That's not a secret, You're not giving your""" start="00:06:04.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: too kind, too kind. There's no trade secrets.""" start="00:06:09.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just follow your passions.""" start="00:06:10.580" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: trade secrets. I can only conquer.""" start="00:06:14.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, moving on to the next question.""" start="00:06:16.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please talk a little about how you produced""" start="00:06:18.740" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such a slick presentation video.""" start="00:06:20.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything looked completely professional,""" start="00:06:22.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'd agree. So tell us more.""" start="00:06:25.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: OK, so as you've seen my previous""" start="00:06:29.260" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentations, It's all just Emacs screen.""" start="00:06:32.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just felt like, oh, what I really want to""" start="00:06:35.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk about is how much fun I'm having and the""" start="00:06:39.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little introduction. So my son actually is a""" start="00:06:43.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""YouTuber. So I asked him,""" start="00:06:44.980" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's like, oh, I'll take care of your""" start="00:06:47.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dad. And so he's the 1 that kind of prompted""" start="00:06:49.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me. So I had a director.""" start="00:06:51.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Don't know if that translates,""" start="00:06:53.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I mean, that translates amazingly.""" start="00:06:58.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: though, but. Very good.""" start="00:07:02.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know, very over the top.""" start="00:07:06.900" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've never done something like this before.""" start="00:07:09.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I mean, the results at the end is No,""" start="00:07:10.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it fits you so well.""" start="00:07:11.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this over the top-ness combined with""" start="00:07:14.820" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the editing, it just...""" start="00:07:15.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I might have to keep doing it because it was""" start="00:07:18.900" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fun. It was fun to do.""" start="00:07:20.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You've set a standard that you'll need to""" start="00:07:23.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meet for following Emax.""" start="00:07:24.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'll have to keep paying them then.""" start="00:07:28.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh no! Alright, Yes! 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And then others, it's like,""" start="00:15:13.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how far do you want to take it?""" start="00:15:15.240" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like I just picked up this 1 called Broken""" start="00:15:18.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cask. There it is, where you generate a""" start="00:15:21.820" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little bar tavern, and then you start rolling""" start="00:15:25.240" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""events. Now, it gives a lot more stuff coming""" start="00:15:29.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of it. It's like, oh,""" start="00:15:30.780" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this person's showing up and this is what's""" start="00:15:32.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happening, but you can elaborate on it as""" start="00:15:34.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much as you want. And that's what I'm""" start="00:15:36.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thinking I might do. Hi,""" start="00:15:39.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike, you got a question?""" start="00:15:40.600" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Hi, Howard. Yeah, I do have a question.""" start="00:15:47.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a big fan of your work on literate DevOps""" start="00:15:50.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and your essay and video on that topic.""" start="00:15:53.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just wondering if you still use that""" start="00:15:56.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""workflow at work and have you changed how""" start="00:15:59.640" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that process works or has it evolved over""" start="00:16:02.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time since that video and essay were written?""" start="00:16:04.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: That's a good question.""" start="00:16:06.840" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, I still do it. It varies depending on""" start="00:16:12.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the project and whatnot.""" start="00:16:13.500" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I still am using it.""" start="00:16:16.400" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm doing it with a lot""" start="00:16:20.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of other things. Like all my configuration""" start="00:16:22.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files are all in a literate style for Emacs.""" start="00:16:27.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And even all the code that's in Ironsworn,""" start="00:16:31.160" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the repo, if you go to the repo,""" start="00:16:35.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's the readme file. And yeah,""" start="00:16:37.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's just being rendered out to the Emacs""" start="00:16:39.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file. So it is still all literate.""" start="00:16:41.660" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Very cool.""" start="00:16:43.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because I don't know.""" start="00:16:46.500" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some things are just a little too complicated""" start="00:16:48.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to just type up.""" start="00:16:49.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, sorry to be the bearer of bad""" start="00:16:56.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""news, but we have only about 3 more minutes""" start="00:16:58.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of lifetime. By the way,""" start="00:16:59.840" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to stay and discuss any of the""" start="00:17:02.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""topic of today's session after we go off air""" start="00:17:07.540" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll be able to keep all of the nice""" start="00:17:10.579" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discussion and put them on the talks page""" start="00:17:12.260" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""afterwards. Great. Howard,""" start="00:17:16.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to ask you if you have any last""" start="00:17:20.020" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""words regarding the presentation or the""" start="00:17:21.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions you've had. Well,""" start="00:17:23.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last question we had,""" start="00:17:24.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually, we had Mike come and ask it live.""" start="00:17:27.500" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But do you have any parting words before we""" start="00:17:29.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""leave you? Okay.""" start="00:17:31.720" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I think the last thing is go and hack""" start="00:17:37.560" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something. I mean, this Lisp stuff is a lot""" start="00:17:41.420" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of fun. And I hope that came across.""" start="00:17:43.860" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, the project I made is just a""" start="00:17:47.240" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personal thing and it was fun for me to make,""" start="00:17:50.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but everybody's probably got some fun thing""" start="00:17:53.100" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they could make as well.""" start="00:17:54.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just, I don't know,""" start="00:17:56.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hack it yourself because all the,""" start="00:17:58.460" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, think about adding multi-threading""" start="00:18:01.920" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Emacs. Maybe we don't want that,""" start="00:18:04.480" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that'll just complicate things.""" start="00:18:06.000" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is your own personal hacking sandbox,""" start="00:18:08.200" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so go have fun.""" start="00:18:09.520" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Great. I was just going to say we were""" start="00:18:14.220" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talking about Dwarf Fortress.""" start="00:18:15.060" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Dwarf Fortress, it's a very CPU intensive""" start="00:18:18.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""game because it needs to compute every single""" start="00:18:21.020" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing in the world and there's such a thing""" start="00:18:23.480" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the CPU death of the world where basically""" start="00:18:27.700" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you've got too many cats that are just""" start="00:18:29.340" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""breeding constantly with 1 another and it""" start="00:18:31.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creates so many entities that it just""" start="00:18:33.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""crashes, and the time it takes for the day to""" start="00:18:36.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""finish it, it just never finish.""" start="00:18:38.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I was going to say maybe multi-threading""" start="00:18:40.680" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be useful in this case for Emacs.""" start="00:18:43.180" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, wanting to foray into the future.""" start="00:18:46.100" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. Thank you.""" start="00:18:48.800" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And thank you so much,""" start="00:18:50.900" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Howard, and thank you Plasma Strike for your""" start="00:18:52.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, as well as Mike,""" start="00:18:53.320" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who joined us. We're going to go live with""" start="00:18:55.760" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next talk in about 1 minute,""" start="00:18:57.440" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and until then, well, I'm not going to put""" start="00:19:00.400" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""music, You can wait 50 seconds without music,""" start="00:19:02.040" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you Zoomers. We'll be back in a bit.""" start="00:19:03.960" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Bye-bye.""" start="00:19:05.280" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Bye, Howard. All right,""" start="00:19:09.620" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are off. Thank you so much,""" start="00:19:11.120" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Howard. I need to dash.""" start="00:19:11.980" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And oh, I think he's already gone.""" start="00:19:13.940" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Bye everyone, I'll see you later.""" start="00:19:16.360" video="qanda-solo" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [howard@howardabrams.com](mailto:howard@howardabrams.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20solo%3A%20How%20I%20play%20TTRPGs%20in%20Emacs) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/solo-before.md b/2023/info/solo-before.md index ee689264..749868c7 100644 --- a/2023/info/solo-before.md +++ b/2023/info/solo-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,33 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live with questions from Mastodon Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 15-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-solo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-solo" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +01:20.680 Solo RPGs +02:47.440 Demo +04:11.760 Randomization +05:31.960 Moves +06:03.640 Reference +06:34.680 Story arcs +07:48.680 Using different stats +09:02.960 Dice rolls +09:34.800 Dangers +10:19.680 A strong success +11:49.680 Other solo RPGs +13:04.720 Conclusion + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 14:36 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-solo">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=3a97d7b5f5392e3ec9100ba7d39768cdd0855e50-1701541252606">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.opus">Download --main.opus (6.6MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--main.webm">Download --main.webm (52MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/oNkcCHdWCKXRv6KnUTAeEC">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUMkj9HWiEY">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-solo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-solo--how-i-play-ttrpgs-in-emacs--howard-abrams--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/solo-nav.md b/2023/info/solo-nav.md index 64212868..4ffc815d 100644 --- a/2023/info/solo-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/solo-nav.md @@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/collab">Collaborative data processing and documenting using org-babel</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/unentangling">(Un)entangling projects and repos</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/ref">Org-Mode workflow: informal reference tracking</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/steno-after.md b/2023/info/steno-after.md index 62e67e56..53e7022c 100644 --- a/2023/info/steno-after.md +++ b/2023/info/steno-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,358 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [z111.513.321@gmail.com](mailto:z111.513.321@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20steno%3A%20Programming%20at%20200%20wpm) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="steno-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Stenotypy is a system of typing""" start="00:00:00.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you press multiple keys at the same time,""" start="00:00:03.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""letting you send more than one letter at a time.""" start="00:00:07.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a video from the 1920s.""" start="00:00:13.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The man is holding a stenotype, a device used for stenotypy.""" start="00:00:16.940" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This particular one is called Grandjean.""" start="00:00:23.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's made for the French language.""" start="00:00:26.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this demonstration,""" start="00:00:30.068" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the man is going to be dictating a passage,""" start="00:00:31.740" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first, slowly and then quickly.""" start="00:00:34.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The lady on the left doesn't have trouble keeping up.""" start="00:00:38.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's using stenotypy.""" start="00:00:42.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The lady on the right is a good typist,""" start="00:00:44.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but she can't keep up when the dictation gets faster.""" start="00:00:48.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm nowhere near as fast as this lady.""" start="00:01:13.300" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's extremely skilled.""" start="00:01:16.020" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not even a tenth of what she is.""" start="00:01:18.780" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use Grandjean, I use Melani,""" start="00:01:24.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a system for Castilian and Italian.""" start="00:01:28.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want to make the word solo, I press S, O, L,""" start="00:01:33.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is made by two keys, and O.""" start="00:01:39.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's what that looks like.""" start="00:01:43.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The hyphen between S and O means that""" start="00:01:45.600" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the S is on the left side,""" start="00:01:50.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the rest of the letters are on the right side.""" start="00:01:52.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want to write the word sólo,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is just like the previous word,""" start="00:02:00.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with the first O accented,""" start="00:02:02.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would press the asterisk key.""" start="00:02:05.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Melani, the asterisk is used""" start="00:02:08.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but these ones differ""" start="00:07:18.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it prompts me for a string,""" start="00:07:20.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can make the skeleton as long as I want.""" start="00:07:23.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I keep entering text in the prompt,""" start="00:07:27.300" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Emacs will keep making the skeleton bigger.""" start="00:07:29.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I enter an empty string, it knows to stop asking,""" start="00:07:33.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it sends me to the point""" start="00:07:38.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've designated to go to when a skeleton is created.""" 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video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Lem doesn't have skeletons, not yet at least.""" start="00:10:35.901" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm going to program the traditional way.""" start="00:10:40.061" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nothing fancy, just left-to-right programming.""" start="00:10:43.740" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With Plover, you have dictionaries.""" start="00:11:38.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I added Fibonacci to my dictionary.""" start="00:11:41.521" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I made my own dictionary from scratch.""" start="00:11:44.861" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if you don't want to do that,""" start="00:11:47.940" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are free dictionaries available""" 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video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can press keys to turn off Plover""" start="00:12:44.361" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or to turn it back on.""" start="00:12:48.061" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can case words the way you want,""" start="00:12:50.121" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uppercase, lowercase, capitalize.""" start="00:12:52.721" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can change your stenotype layout,""" start="00:12:55.761" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, say, if you want to use Grandjean for French,""" start="00:12:58.821" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Melani for Castilian, and Ireland for English.""" start="00:13:02.381" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All of that's possible.""" start="00:13:06.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I should note that I'm using a Plover plugin""" start="00:13:10.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called Full Keyboard Steno.""" start="00:13:14.620" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes my entire keyboard into a stenotype.""" start="00:13:17.521" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem also has a completion feature built in.""" start="00:13:26.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I didn't need it for the code that I wrote.""" start="00:13:30.701" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's quite good.""" start="00:13:35.101" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In summary, if you add in the symbols""" start="00:13:38.720" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you're going to need when you're programming,""" start="00:13:42.281" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll be fine.""" start="00:13:45.121" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even without skeletons,""" start="00:13:46.441" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Plover is nice to use for programming.""" start="00:13:48.621" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The search tool is the primary way of navigating in Emacs.""" start="00:14:00.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Every Emacser can be measured""" start="00:14:05.621" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by their skill with the search tool.""" start="00:14:08.041" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-s begins a forward search.""" start="00:14:11.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The s stands for search.""" start="00:14:14.821" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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+[[!template text="""Emacs interprets our whitespace.""" start="00:14:52.121" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I press C-M-s [alt control s],""" start="00:14:55.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whitespace is interpreted as a wildcard.""" start="00:14:57.961" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a function I made myself.""" start="00:15:01.301" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fox mask will take me to the fox and the mask.""" start="00:15:04.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The whitespace is a wildcard.""" start="00:15:09.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For me, Ctrl-s makes the whitespace literal.""" start="00:15:12.181" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like having both options available to me:""" start="00:15:16.761" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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Notice those words are capitalized.""" start="00:16:01.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm going to transform the last two words""" start="00:16:08.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a regular expression""" start="00:16:11.781" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the order doesn't matter.""" start="00:16:14.300" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I can find the fable I'm looking for.""" start="00:16:18.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did this with a plugin called Retro Stringop,""" start="00:16:27.220" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""op meaning operation.""" start="00:16:31.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can perform any operation on the last n words.""" start="00:16:34.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at that.""" start="00:16:40.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The 2 means that I want to do something""" start="00:16:42.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the last two words.""" start="00:16:44.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The operation I'm performing is Python code.""" start="00:16:46.940" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be honest, I don't know any Python,""" start="00:16:50.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but string manipulation is easy to understand.""" start="00:16:54.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you do know Python, then you can make your own plugins""" start="00:16:57.620" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even help with the development of Plover.""" start="00:17:01.701" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A feature I like in Lem is that""" start="00:17:07.820" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you gracefully exit search with Enter or C-m,""" start="00:17:09.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you searched for is highlighted.""" start="00:17:15.780" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can cycle through the results, the highlights,""" start="00:17:18.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can toggle the highlights on or off.""" start="00:17:23.241" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1978, John Kulp designs a keyboard""" start="00:17:30.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""known as the Space Cadet Keyboard.""" start="00:17:34.481" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This keyboard has many distinctive qualities,""" start="00:17:37.180" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one being the modifiers, numbering seven in total:""" start="00:17:40.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shift, Control, Meta, Super, Hyper, Greek, and Top.""" start="00:17:44.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This keyboard influences the development of Emacs.""" start="00:17:51.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2000, designer Kiyoshi Kimura and programmer Yoji Hagia""" start="00:17:56.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""release SandS, a program that lets you turn your spacebar""" start="00:18:02.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a dual-function key,""" start="00:18:07.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sending space on tap""" start="00:18:09.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and acting as the Shift modifier on hold.""" start="00:18:11.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This idea, the dual-function key,""" start="00:18:16.220" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later revolutionizes typing.""" start="00:18:18.501" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These two concepts, the space cadet modifiers""" start="00:18:22.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the dual-function key, can be combined.""" start="00:18:25.641" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use a program called Kanata""" start="00:18:29.580" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put all the modifiers on my homerow.""" start="00:18:32.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I tap the letter a, I get an a.""" start="00:18:36.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I hold it down for longer than 200 milliseconds,""" start="00:18:40.100" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it acts as the Meta modifier,""" start="00:18:43.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and really I can add""" start="00:18:46.740" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as many layers to my keyboard as I want.""" start="00:18:48.060" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use a little stenotype.""" start="00:18:52.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Full Keyboard Steno, the Plover plugin,""" start="00:18:55.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use my whole keyboard.""" start="00:18:59.140" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have an alternative keyboard layout on it,""" start="00:19:02.020" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so, even when I'm typing in the traditional way,""" start="00:19:05.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it feels amazing.""" start="00:19:08.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My layout is called Kuron, and I lay it over Melani""" start="00:19:10.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that I have both available to me at all times.""" start="00:19:15.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't get them confused because I set them off""" start="00:19:19.620" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the way I press keys.""" start="00:19:24.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I press one key at a time,""" start="00:19:26.940" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm using Kuron, my keyboard layout.""" start="00:19:29.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I press multiple keys at the same time""" start="00:19:32.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let them go quickly,""" start="00:19:35.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm using stenotypy, in my case Melani.""" start="00:19:37.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I hold one key longer than 200 milliseconds,""" start="00:19:41.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm activating it as a modifier key or a layer key.""" start="00:19:45.241" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I always know what state I'm in by the way I press my keys.""" start="00:19:51.340" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's impossible for me to get confused.""" start="00:19:56.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Holding multiple modifiers is not a problem""" start="00:20:03.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the keycaps used for stenotypy are flat and square.""" start="00:20:07.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pressing two or more keys at once""" start="00:20:13.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the same finger is easy.""" start="00:20:15.980" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Notice how close they are to each other.""" start="00:20:18.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In stenotypy, the homerow is the border""" start="00:20:21.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the two rows of keys.""" start="00:20:25.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took me a while to get used to it,""" start="00:20:28.560" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now that I am used to it, I quite like it.""" start="00:20:31.260" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if I have to press a hotkey""" start="00:20:35.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all six modifiers, Shift, Control, Meta,""" start="00:20:38.220" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alt, Hyper, Super, it's easy.""" start="00:20:43.980" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks to Kanata, I have a Greek layer on my board.""" start="00:20:50.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Additionally, I have alpha, beta, and gamma layers""" start="00:20:54.660" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that send sequences of keys that I can use as hotkeys""" start="00:20:58.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in both GNU Emacs and Lem.""" start="00:21:03.320" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you noticed a few while I was programming.""" start="00:21:06.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it's possible to bring the Space Cadet""" start="00:21:10.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any keyboard and to build on its wonderful ideas.""" start="00:21:12.960" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I'll note that another Emacser, Excalamus,""" start="00:21:20.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has made a page called Plover with Emacs,""" start="00:21:24.460" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with information on how to use Emacs""" start="00:21:27.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the standard stenotype,""" start="00:21:30.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one that has two rows,""" start="00:21:32.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one I call a little stenotype.""" start="00:21:34.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While I use my full keyboard,""" start="00:21:37.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I understand how a small board can be useful.""" start="00:21:39.600" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finger movement is greatly reduced,""" start="00:21:43.200" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""leading to a very ergonomic typing experience.""" start="00:21:46.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, all of the speed records""" start="00:21:49.440" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are set with this stenotype, the standard stenotype.""" start="00:21:53.240" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are many great ideas on this page.""" start="00:21:58.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you, Excalamus.""" start="00:22:01.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Special thanks to Richard Stallman,""" start="00:22:06.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the creator of GNU Emacs and the Free Software Foundation,""" start="00:22:09.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sasaki Ryosuke, first name Ryosuke,""" start="00:22:13.420" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the creator and lead developer of Lem,""" start="00:22:16.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mirabai Knight, the creator of the Open Steno Project,""" start="00:22:20.120" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which oversees the development of Plover,""" start="00:22:24.280" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and jtroo, the creator and lead developer of Kanata.""" start="00:22:26.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The views expressed in this talk are solely my own.""" start="00:22:32.700" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have no connection to any of the parties mentioned herein""" start="00:22:37.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and therefore cannot be seen""" start="00:22:41.160" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as representing them in any capacity.""" start="00:22:43.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I've said cannot be taken as medical advice.""" start="00:22:45.360" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the TranSide theme for GNU Emacs in this talk.""" start="00:22:50.860" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's beautiful and functional.""" start="00:22:54.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love how the code looks, and I can read the comments.""" start="00:22:57.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Lem, I used Gruber.""" start="00:23:03.560" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, the comments are readable, and the code looks nice.""" start="00:23:05.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I first started using Emacs,""" start="00:23:11.200" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used the Wheatgrass theme.""" start="00:23:13.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another theme that I love is os1.""" start="00:23:19.980" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a light, warm, modern theme for Emacs""" start="00:23:24.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""inspired by film palettes.""" start="00:23:28.240" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Regarding typography, for programming,""" start="00:23:35.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used JuliaMono, which was designed by Cormullion.""" start="00:23:38.500" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's extensive, and it's beautiful.""" start="00:23:43.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For graphics, I used PromptFont,""" start="00:23:48.000" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was made by Yukari Hafner.""" start="00:23:51.380" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She's very talented.""" start="00:23:54.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really like her work, including this font.""" start="00:23:56.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are so many packages that I love in Emacs.""" start="00:24:01.180" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I talked about all of them,""" start="00:24:05.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my talk would last for days,""" start="00:24:07.640" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm only going to mention three.""" start="00:24:09.800" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keycast.""" start="00:24:12.580" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the top of the screen,""" start="00:24:14.400" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see the commands I'm executing""" start="00:24:15.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how I'm invoking those commands.""" start="00:24:18.040" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's Keycast.""" start="00:24:20.560" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rainbow Delimiters is another one I like.""" start="00:24:21.920" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It lets me know visually""" start="00:24:25.540" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when my parentheses are out of balance.""" start="00:24:27.520" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very helpful when I'm programming in Lisp.""" start="00:24:30.480" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moodline is another.""" start="00:24:35.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The modeline is where I can see relevant information""" start="00:24:37.880" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the file I'm working on.""" start="00:24:42.900" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moodline only gives me the information I want.""" start="00:24:46.840" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not really worried about too many things, just""" start="00:24:50.760" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the file name, the mode I'm in, and where I am in the file.""" start="00:24:55.461" video="mainVideo-steno" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: daniel + +Questions or comments? 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Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 25:03 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-steno">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-steno--programming-with-steno--daniel-alejandro-tapia--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-steno--programming-with-steno--daniel-alejandro-tapia--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-steno--programming-with-steno--daniel-alejandro-tapia--main.opus">Download --main.opus (13MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-steno--programming-with-steno--daniel-alejandro-tapia--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-steno--programming-with-steno--daniel-alejandro-tapia--main.webm">Download --main.webm (66MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/1xodScC6DPkfbnqG5FmbB3">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McHurKmk-rQ">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/steno-nav.md b/2023/info/steno-nav.md index 99ad2ecb..6f369a19 100644 --- a/2023/info/steno-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/steno-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsconf">EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsen">The Emacsen family, the design of an Emacs and the importance of Lisp</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emms">Emacs MultiMedia System (EMMS)</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/mentor">Mentoring VS-Coders as an Emacsian (or How to show not tell people about the wonders of Emacs)</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/sun-close-after.md b/2023/info/sun-close-after.md index f15ea0e2..aebbe6f8 100644 --- a/2023/info/sun-close-after.md +++ b/2023/info/sun-close-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20sun-close%3A%20Sunday%20closing%20remarks) +Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sun-close%3A%20Sunday%20closing%20remarks) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sun-close-before.md b/2023/info/sun-close-before.md index 02431083..311ec7b2 100644 --- a/2023/info/sun-close-before.md +++ b/2023/info/sun-close-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Ready to stream +Format: 121-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-sun-close"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sun-close--sunday-closing-remarks--main.webm" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 2:00:43 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-sun-close">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=5f07e2b967f71ad503ac367ea43866abeaad63b6-1701636099684">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sun-close--sunday-closing-remarks--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sun-close--sunday-closing-remarks--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sun-close--sunday-closing-remarks--main.opus">Download --main.opus (71MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sun-close--sunday-closing-remarks--main.webm">Download --main.webm (279MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/p/nMXCCJ25wxKUtbuQiwkakA">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvelKB5v0c">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sun-close-nav.md b/2023/info/sun-close-nav.md index 92d58f1d..866eca7f 100644 --- a/2023/info/sun-close-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/sun-close-nav.md @@ -2,5 +2,5 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sun-open">Sunday opening remarks</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/sun-open-after.md b/2023/info/sun-open-after.md index e11c9bbb..d07dee3f 100644 --- a/2023/info/sun-open-after.md +++ b/2023/info/sun-open-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,128 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20sun-open%3A%20Sunday%20opening%20remarks) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="sun-open-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + +[[!template text="""Welcome to the second day of EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a General track and a Development track,""" start="00:00:04.520" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but really, you'll probably find""" start="00:00:06.859" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting things on both tracks""" start="00:00:08.438" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no matter what your level of experience is,""" start="00:00:10.157" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so don't feel limited to one or the other.""" start="00:00:12.696" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please note that the hyperdrive talk""" start="00:00:15.355" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(titled "hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs")""" start="00:00:17.094" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Development track in the afternoon""" start="00:00:21.173" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is actually a general-audience talk,""" start="00:00:23.492" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just didn't have space elsewhere in the schedule.""" start="00:00:25.232" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best parts of EmacsConf are the conversations.""" start="00:00:28.092" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The wiki has a page on how to watch and participate,""" start="00:00:31.331" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll give you a quick overview as well.""" start="00:00:34.090" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can watch both streams at live.emacsconf.org""" start="00:00:36.869" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free and open source software.""" start="00:00:40.348" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Using a streaming media player like mpv""" start="00:00:43.227" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be the best way to watch in terms of performance""" start="00:00:45.646" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are also web-based players""" start="00:00:49.045" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in case that's all you've got.""" start="00:00:50.644" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule shows the General track on top""" start="00:00:53.123" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the Development track on the bottom,""" start="00:00:55.122" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can see what else is going on.""" start="00:00:56.801" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you're watching the talks,""" start="00:00:59.420" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can refer to the schedule in another window.""" start="00:01:00.619" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hover over the boxes to see the times and titles,""" start="00:01:03.518" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and click on the boxes in the schedule""" start="00:01:06.537" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to jump to the talk's page for more details.""" start="00:01:08.436" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also get the schedule as an iCalendar file""" start="00:01:11.215" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or as an Org file in different time zones.""" start="00:01:13.754" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many talks will be followed by""" start="00:01:16.013" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live Q&A web conferences with the speaker,""" start="00:01:17.512" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which will be done in BigBlueButton or BBB.""" start="00:01:20.171" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are indicated with a solid border on the schedule""" start="00:01:23.250" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and by Q&A: BBB on the schedule page.""" start="00:01:26.249" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can join the web conference room""" start="00:01:29.408" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by clicking on the BBB link""" start="00:01:31.107" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule page or the talk's webpage.""" start="00:01:32.726" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can ask your questions yourself when the Q&A starts.""" start="00:01:35.665" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To improve performance, please keep your webcam off""" start="00:01:38.584" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stay muted until it's your turn to talk.""" start="00:01:41.043" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This year we're experimenting with automatically switching""" start="00:01:43.782" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between talks and Q&A sessions,""" start="00:01:46.401" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the transitions on the stream might be a little sudden,""" start="00:01:48.760" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but people in the BigBlueButton room""" start="00:01:51.959" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can continue the conversation""" start="00:01:53.718" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even after the talk moves off-stream.""" start="00:01:55.397" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other talks will have Q&A via Etherpad or IRC,""" start="00:01:58.236" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on what the speakers prefer.""" start="00:02:01.595" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is indicated in the schedule with a dashed border""" start="00:02:03.914" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and on the schedule page as well.""" start="00:02:06.933" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please ask your questions in the recommended places""" start="00:02:09.652" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the speakers can easily see them.""" start="00:02:12.091" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some talks will have the Q&A after the event,""" start="00:02:14.610" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can add your questions to their Etherpad.""" start="00:02:17.329" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll e-mail the speakers afterwards""" start="00:02:20.188" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and update the talk pages when they answer.""" start="00:02:21.920" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The schedule pages and track pages have quick shortcuts""" start="00:02:25.186" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can find out more about talks, open the Etherpads,""" start="00:02:28.325" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and join the Q&A sessions. The watch page has more tips""" start="00:02:31.804" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on how to make the most of Q&A.""" start="00:02:35.363" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can, please add notes and ask questions""" start="00:02:38.062" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Etherpad for the talk. That makes it easier""" start="00:02:40.841" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for everyone to share their notes,""" start="00:02:43.840" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and speakers and hosts can read the questions from there.""" start="00:02:45.659" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll copy the notes to the talk pages afterwards.""" start="00:02:48.598" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have one pad for each talk,""" start="00:02:52.617" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you can follow the links to get to the next one""" start="00:02:54.676" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or go back to the schedule and get the link from there.""" start="00:02:56.795" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have general feedback about""" start="00:02:59.954" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the conference itself, please put it in""" start="00:03:01.593" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pad.emacsconf.org/2023 , which is linked on each pad.""" start="00:03:03.752" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use this as a general community message board""" start="00:03:09.211" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for things like Help Wanted.""" start="00:03:11.870" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Internet Relay Chat or IRC can be another great way""" start="00:03:15.009" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be part of lots of conversations.""" start="00:03:18.260" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use chat.emacsconf.org to join the IRC channels""" start="00:03:20.787" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through your web browser. The tabs on the left can help you""" start="00:03:24.506" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch between the different channels.""" start="00:03:27.345" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's #emacsconf-gen for the General track""" start="00:03:29.904" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and #emacsconf-dev for the Development track.""" start="00:03:32.960" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need to reach us, you can join #emacsconf-org""" start="00:03:36.522" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or e-mail emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org.""" start="00:03:40.241" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use #emacsconf for hallway conversations.""" start="00:03:45.220" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you can join any of these channels""" start="00:03:48.499" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your favourite IRC client.""" start="00:03:50.618" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're on the libera.chat network.""" start="00:03:52.760" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Once again, we're going to be streaming with open captions""" start="00:03:56.736" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for most of the talks this year, thanks to our speakers and""" start="00:03:59.375" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""captioning volunteers. The captioned talks are indicated""" start="00:04:02.454" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the schedule, and with any luck, we'll be posting""" start="00:04:05.813" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcripts on talk pages shortly after the talks start.""" start="00:04:08.532" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you need additional accommodations,""" start="00:04:12.031" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in #emacsconf-org""" start="00:04:13.850" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll see if we can make things happen.""" start="00:04:16.610" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If something goes down, we'll update status.emacsconf.org.""" start="00:04:18.509" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it doesn't look like we've noticed yet,""" start="00:04:22.748" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please let us know in the #emacsconf-org IRC channel,""" start="00:04:24.607" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we will be quietly panicking.""" start="00:04:28.046" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In all of these conversations, please keep in mind""" start="00:04:30.205" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our guidelines for conduct. You can find them on the wiki,""" start="00:04:32.904" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They basically boil down to: please be nice.""" start="00:04:35.903" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If all goes well, the prerecorded talks and transcripts""" start="00:04:39.383" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be available from the talk pages""" start="00:04:41.822" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shortly after they start playing,""" start="00:04:43.821" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll post the recordings of live talks""" start="00:04:45.560" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Q&A sessions within the next month or so.""" start="00:04:47.459" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you'd like to get an update, you can subscribe to""" start="00:04:50.578" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the emacsconf-discuss mailing list.""" start="00:04:53.097" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, let's get going.""" start="00:04:56.396" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo Vivier is hosting the general track,""" start="00:04:57.955" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Amin Bandali hosting the development track.""" start="00:05:00.355" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other volunteers and I will run around mostly backstage,""" start="00:05:03.474" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you'll probably meet us in the closing remarks.""" start="00:05:06.193" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also where we get to thank""" start="00:05:08.272" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the people and organizations""" start="00:05:09.911" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who make EmacsConf even possible.""" start="00:05:11.550" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for coming to EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:05:14.589" video="mainVideo-sun-open" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20sun-open%3A%20Sunday%20opening%20remarks) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/sun-open-before.md b/2023/info/sun-open-before.md index b5eaea73..70f38dc1 100644 --- a/2023/info/sun-open-before.md +++ b/2023/info/sun-open-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 5-min talk -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Ready to stream +Format: 6-min talk ; Q&A: ask questions via Etherpad/IRC; we'll e-mail the speaker and post answers on this wiki page after the conference +Status: All done +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-sun-open"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-sun-open--sunday-opening-remarks--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-sun-open--sunday-opening-remarks--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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Please e-mail [dmolina@mailbox.org](mailto:dmolina@mailbox.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20table%3A%20Who%20needs%20Excel%3F%20Managing%20your%20students%20qualifications%20with%20org-table) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="table-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Welcome everybody. My name is Daniel Molina""" start="00:00:01.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm going to give this talk""" start="00:00:03.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Who needs Excel? Managing your students' qualifications""" start="00:00:05.061" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Org-table".""" start="00:00:08.064" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a professor. I work every day.""" start="00:00:08.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have to qualify my students.""" start="00:00:10.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While most would consider normal in this situation,""" start="00:00:12.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be to use Excel or LibreOffice""" start="00:00:15.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for doing that.""" start="00:00:17.720" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, I think that approaching it from Emacs""" start="00:00:18.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has several interesting advantages.""" start="00:00:21.180" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I would like to write the qualification""" start="00:00:24.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next to the justification, next to the student error,""" start="00:00:27.660" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in the Excel format, it's not comfortable to do that.""" start="00:00:33.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually, I always prefer to write in Emacs""" start="00:00:36.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for many reasons, as many of you.""" start="00:00:38.840" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I love text format because I can compare versions""" start="00:00:42.720" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using a control version system like Git and easily change.""" start="00:00:46.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very useful for the revision period""" start="00:00:50.280" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which a student visits me""" start="00:00:52.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maybe I can change the qualification for any reason.""" start="00:00:55.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also can export the results directly to PDF""" start="00:01:01.040" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to publish them in my online campus for the student.""" start="00:01:03.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have many tools for doing that.""" start="00:01:08.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I already knew about Org-table formula.""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was very cool and useful""" start="00:01:13.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use Emacs for that,""" start="00:01:15.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have actually found a package `orgtbl-aggregate`""" start="00:01:16.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that seemed adequate for doing that.""" start="00:01:19.240" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I didn't see a lot of information""" start="00:01:22.860" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how to do that in a painless way.""" start="00:01:26.320" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I have to learn, training and testing,""" start="00:01:29.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then prepare these tools to solve that problem""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to help other teachers.""" start="00:01:35.000" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway, it could be used not only for teaching""" start="00:01:36.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for more contexts.""" start="00:01:39.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demonstration""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Well, let's start.""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I have two sections,""" start="00:01:44.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the comments and the section of the table, or results.""" start="00:01:46.460" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have... The comment for each student""" start="00:01:53.400" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is in a different headline.""" start="00:01:56.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very useful to check with a note.""" start="00:01:57.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go directly using your helm or ivy""" start="00:02:05.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or consult to go directly to the section.""" start="00:02:10.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's very nice.""" start="00:02:13.000" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I put the comment, right, completely wrong,""" start="00:02:14.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it answers other questions.""" start="00:02:22.880" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I put other comments here that I could send to the student,""" start="00:02:30.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can imagine, and then""" start="00:02:35.840" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can put the qualification, the score for each student.""" start="00:02:37.481" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The thing with that is, initially,""" start="00:02:40.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I started doing that, I put, I don't know,""" start="00:02:43.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the exception and a qualification with that.""" start="00:02:46.220" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, that's one point, this a three,""" start="00:02:50.720" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use a column total with something like that.""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, that's nice.""" start="00:03:06.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Range""" start="00:03:08.320" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But then, when I started getting more and more parts,""" start="00:03:08.320" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I considered it more useful to use,""" start="00:03:11.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to put for each part,""" start="00:03:17.082" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the maximum qualification,""" start="00:03:20.700" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the range of the qualification.""" start="00:03:20.300" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In that case, I'm going to put,""" start="00:03:22.920" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the first one is two scores, the second three points,""" start="00:03:25.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the third one is one point, and the last one, four points.""" start="00:03:28.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And instead of putting that in that way,""" start="00:03:35.000" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like to put one is completely right,""" start="00:03:37.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""zero is completely wrong, or maybe some intermediate values for that.""" start="00:03:41.028" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I have to change the qualification,""" start="00:03:47.320" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the formula, so it's very simple.""" start="00:03:51.000" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I only have to put,""" start="00:03:54.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multiply the values of the second line with that.""" start="00:03:56.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, it's very useful for doing that.""" start="00:04:08.300" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""More qualifications""" start="00:04:11.900" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, that's the first part, so I can put the comment,""" start="00:04:11.900" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go to the section, I can create...""" start="00:04:16.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put more qualifications.""" start="00:04:19.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm going to put the table.""" start="00:04:24.920" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First I'm going to change, rename the column name,""" start="00:04:27.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's easier when there is only one word.""" start="00:04:30.460" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's very simple to use. You only have to put""" start="00:04:39.040" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name, aggregate, the name of the table,""" start="00:04:47.160" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that case group A,""" start="00:04:51.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in another string, the columns.""" start="00:04:54.660" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, name, surname, total.""" start="00:04:57.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see that you can get a lesson list""" start="00:05:03.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all the students,""" start="00:05:07.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but only with the final score to publish them.""" start="00:05:09.120" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay?""" start="00:05:16.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even you can update the name of the column,""" start="00:05:17.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not in the original table,""" start="00:05:20.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in the lesson table using that format.""" start="00:05:21.801" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay?""" start="00:05:29.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is a good option.""" start="00:05:32.100" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Subsets""" start="00:05:34.240" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now we are going to see how can we use that""" start="00:05:34.240" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make a subset of the students.""" start="00:05:38.500" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, imagine, this is me,""" start="00:05:44.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put the bad, I change, now I can update,""" start="00:05:47.840" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see this, but also I'm going to put a list""" start="00:05:54.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the students that have failed the exam.""" start="00:06:02.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's simple, because this package has the option `:cond`.""" start="00:06:10.961" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put first to see it better,""" start="00:06:21.260" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put a condition""" start="00:06:26.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which we aggregate less than a half, 5,""" start="00:06:28.600" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have to use a `string-to-number` total.""" start="00:06:37.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In that way, I can see that this is the student""" start="00:06:44.180" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has failed the exam,""" start="00:06:47.260" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I could use that to make another table,""" start="00:06:48.840" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is the people that passed the exam.""" start="00:06:54.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Sorting""" start="00:07:08.300" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another interesting feature is that""" start="00:07:08.300" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can... the lesson table can be sorted automatically.""" start="00:07:10.981" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's simple. You only have to put this symbol (`^`),""" start="00:07:15.621" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can put next to the column you want""" start="00:07:20.101" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use for the sort, and then you can put""" start="00:07:23.361" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`a` if you want to sort alphabetically,""" start="00:07:27.000" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in uppercase if you want to reverse the sort,""" start="00:07:30.680" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and `n` if you want to sort numerically.""" start="00:07:33.880" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, I can put that""" start="00:07:38.920" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the lesser score to the best score,""" start="00:07:40.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or here from the best score to the lesser score.""" start="00:07:43.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this sort is completely independent""" start="00:07:46.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the sort of the original table.""" start="00:07:48.961" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""New table""" start="00:07:51.641" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now I'm going to do another different thing,""" start="00:07:51.641" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are going to put a new table,""" start="00:07:54.521" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put a new table""" start="00:08:02.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which I'm going to put""" start="00:08:07.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the number of passed students, failed students""" start="00:08:09.640" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ratio of students. It's simple.""" start="00:08:14.320" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put the pass, in that case, as column,""" start="00:08:16.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can put the count, of course, I can put the count,""" start="00:08:26.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the number of students""" start="00:08:32.920" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that have passed, so I'm going to put in that way, ok?""" start="00:08:35.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put pass, count, failed, ratio.""" start="00:08:42.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see, ok?""" start="00:08:58.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But this only the count,""" start="00:08:59.740" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you are going to put the number wrong.""" start="00:09:01.860" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, it's true, but you can actually put formula here.""" start="00:09:04.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For instance, you can say,""" start="00:09:08.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that I have 3 students,""" start="00:09:10.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the number of failed is 3 minus the passed student.""" start="00:09:12.400" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, I can put the formula, is the people,""" start="00:09:18.800" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the students that passed,""" start="00:09:24.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""divide into the number total of students, ok?""" start="00:09:27.720" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go to put that in that way,""" start="00:09:36.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the people that passed, it is better in that way,""" start="00:09:41.380" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also I can put directly the number of,""" start="00:09:44.400" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ratio of students.""" start="00:09:48.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, in that way, I can have a table""" start="00:09:50.920" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the students that passed,""" start="00:09:55.740" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the students that failed""" start="00:09:57.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the ratio of people that passed.""" start="00:09:58.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Statistics""" start="00:10:01.280" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Sometimes this type of qualification will be useful for me,""" start="00:10:01.280" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see how much has been the sound,""" start="00:10:04.820" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how much good has been the exercise.""" start="00:10:08.080" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I'm going to put a new table.""" start="00:10:12.240" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This new table is going to go some statistics,""" start="00:10:14.880" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`statistics_score`, `begin: aggregate :table "final"`.""" start="00:10:22.422" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, I'm going to use not the original table,""" start="00:10:32.380" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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You can copy or remove,""" start="00:12:40.360" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doesn't matter the order,""" start="00:12:48.181" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put this to identify the result of practice 2,""" start="00:12:49.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org create an ID (`org-id-get-create`),""" start="00:12:59.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then we have a previous result,""" start="00:13:03.322" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I have a final table.""" start="00:13:07.480" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The final table could be complicated,""" start="00:13:10.200" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's not so much complicated, it's only that,""" start="00:13:11.840" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put something that the formula wants.""" start="00:13:17.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The formula is to make""" start="00:13:21.960" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an `org-lookup-first` of the second name,""" start="00:13:26.589" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""considering that it's unique,""" start="00:13:34.401" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`remote` of the surname,""" start="00:13:41.541" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's say another `remote` of the `$3` element,""" start="00:13:53.440" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ok, that's an error because I don't put yet the ID,""" start="00:14:05.560" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm going to copy -- mark and copy --""" start="00:14:15.120" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and paste the unique ID generated,""" start="00:14:19.760" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to put that... I think there is missing one.""" start="00:14:28.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally. Okay, that's right.""" start="00:14:38.520" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So imagine that I change something here, for instance,""" start="00:14:43.400" video="mainVideo-table" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I put... 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/table-nav.md b/2023/info/table-nav.md index 97890831..f825c777 100644 --- a/2023/info/table-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/table-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/uni">Authoring and presenting university courses with Emacs and a full libre software stack</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/taming">Taming things with Org Mode</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/teaching">Teaching computer and data science with literate programming tools</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/one">one.el: the static site generator for Emacs Lisp Programmers</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/taming-before.md b/2023/info/taming-before.md index a44ed84a..364f0fdc 100644 --- a/2023/info/taming-before.md +++ b/2023/info/taming-before.md @@ -1,8 +1,14 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> + +The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sat 2023-12-02. 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Q&A +Format: 10-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room <https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/current/bbb-taming.html> Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Status: Sorry, this talk has been cancelled + diff --git a/2023/info/taming-nav.md b/2023/info/taming-nav.md index 968a82b3..4fa4474d 100644 --- a/2023/info/taming-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/taming-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/table">Who needs Excel? Managing your students qualifications with org-table</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/one">one.el: the static site generator for Emacs Lisp Programmers</a> +Previous by time: <a href="/2023/talks/llm">LLM clients in Emacs, functionality and standardization</a> +Next by time: <a href="/2023/talks/one">one.el: the static site generator for Emacs Lisp Programmers</a> Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/teaching-after.md b/2023/info/teaching-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1e1bf481 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/teaching-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,1304 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="teaching-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Welcome to my talk, which is pre-recorded,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so please don't blame me if I come across""" start="00:00:04.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as wooden and humorless.""" start="00:00:06.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard to work up any emotion""" start="00:00:08.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when looking at a mechanical eye.""" start="00:00:11.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, I am German,""" start="00:00:13.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I am pretty wooden and humorless to begin with.""" start="00:00:15.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What else do you need to know about me?""" start="00:00:18.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not much, I suppose, except that I have been""" start="00:00:20.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs user on and off""" start="00:00:23.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since my days as a graduate student""" start="00:00:25.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in theoretical physics in the 1990s.""" start="00:00:26.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I picked Emacs and Org Mode up again""" start="00:00:30.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for teaching during COVID""" start="00:00:34.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I had a lot of time on my hands,""" start="00:00:36.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and when the teaching and learning needs shifted""" start="00:00:38.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of the exclusive online teaching.""" start="00:00:40.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now I'm going to take my picture away.""" start="00:00:44.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You had a good look at me.""" start="00:00:48.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's just going to be in the way.""" start="00:00:49.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""My interest in this topic""" start="00:00:54.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So my interest in this topic began with""" start="00:00:54.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs talk given by Daniel German""" start="00:00:57.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the University of Victoria in Canada in 2021.""" start="00:00:59.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Daniel demonstrated in detail""" start="00:01:04.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how he uses Emacs and Org Mode""" start="00:01:06.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to prepare and deliver lectures""" start="00:01:09.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on different programming languages.""" start="00:01:12.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This gave me the idea to try the same thing""" start="00:01:14.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with my students with an important alteration.""" start="00:01:16.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wanted to force them to use Emacs and Org Mode""" start="00:01:20.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as most computer science instructors""" start="00:01:23.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""force their students to use whatever they are using""" start="00:01:25.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when they develop their material.""" start="00:01:29.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I carried my plan out and mandated Emacs and Org Mode""" start="00:01:32.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the only programming platform and IDE""" start="00:01:36.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for three consecutive terms in all my courses,""" start="00:01:40.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nine courses in total.""" start="00:01:43.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will give more details later.""" start="00:01:45.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I published my results as a case study""" start="00:01:47.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in September of this year,""" start="00:01:49.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it contains the missing bits""" start="00:01:52.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I will not talk about today for lack of time,""" start="00:01:53.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially regarding the methodology,""" start="00:01:56.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the assessment, et cetera.""" start="00:01:58.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Please also use the Q&A to inquire about such details""" start="00:02:00.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if they interest you.""" start="00:02:05.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is data science?""" start="00:02:08.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I probably don't have to explain what computer science is,""" start="00:02:08.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not everyone may know what data science does.""" start="00:02:12.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I teach courses in both disciplines""" start="00:02:16.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the boundaries between them are blurred,""" start="00:02:18.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so much of what I'm saying about data science""" start="00:02:20.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will also be relevant for computer science.""" start="00:02:22.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Conceptually, data science is an interdisciplinary affair""" start="00:02:24.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that intersects with computer science""" start="00:02:29.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with whatever it is that the data scientist""" start="00:02:32.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or his or her clients know very well; their domain.""" start="00:02:34.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because of this interdisciplinary character,""" start="00:02:39.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and because their focus is on the data""" start="00:02:42.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than only on algorithms or mathematics,""" start="00:02:45.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""successful data scientists need to be more broadly educated""" start="00:02:48.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than specialists in computer science or statistics.""" start="00:02:52.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In particular, there's a need to master""" start="00:02:56.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the entire so-called data science pipeline:""" start="00:03:00.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from data cleaning, which you see""" start="00:03:03.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the very left in this slide,""" start="00:03:06.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over coding, to statistical modeling,""" start="00:03:08.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to data storytelling through visualization,""" start="00:03:12.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you see on the very right.""" start="00:03:14.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is why until recently,""" start="00:03:17.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""data science was a graduate-level education""" start="00:03:19.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only for software engineers, computer scientists,""" start="00:03:22.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""statisticians, psychologists, biologists, business people,""" start="00:03:25.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or for whoever took a special fancy""" start="00:03:31.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to data in their chosen field.""" start="00:03:34.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Only with a growing interest in machine learning,""" start="00:03:37.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this has changed.""" start="00:03:40.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now we train--or try to train--data scientists""" start="00:03:42.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in undergraduate programs as well.""" start="00:03:45.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Computer science is a craft""" start="00:03:47.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now, what I'm saying here, I think is true""" start="00:03:47.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for all areas of computing,""" start="00:03:52.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from software engineering to data science.""" start="00:03:54.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are mostly taught and learned like a craft""" start="00:03:56.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than a science, not through research,""" start="00:04:00.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but through drill.""" start="00:04:03.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The elements of this drill can be illustrated""" start="00:04:04.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by learning how to fix cars.""" start="00:04:07.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They include taking a problem apart""" start="00:04:09.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the tools you already know,""" start="00:04:12.760" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learn a lot more tools in the process of doing that,""" start="00:04:14.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then solve many, many problems""" start="00:04:18.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of increasing difficulty""" start="00:04:20.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while being or getting more literate, as it were,""" start="00:04:22.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the mechanics of computing,""" start="00:04:25.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including the hardware, the infrastructure,""" start="00:04:27.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and finally develop a way of thinking""" start="00:04:30.760" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allows the learner to identify patterns""" start="00:04:32.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to solve new problems better and faster.""" start="00:04:35.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unlike learning how to fix cars,""" start="00:04:39.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of the objects of our interest--""" start="00:04:42.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both hardware and software--are evolving rapidly.""" start="00:04:44.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this field, radical innovation is the rule,""" start="00:04:48.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not the exception.""" start="00:04:51.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The problem""" start="00:04:52.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The problem that I identified is that students,""" start="00:04:52.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially undergraduate students""" start="00:04:58.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in computer and data science,""" start="00:05:00.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""often do no longer understand the infrastructure.""" start="00:05:02.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are a few examples of the problems""" start="00:05:06.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the students seem to have.""" start="00:05:08.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do not understand computer architecture,""" start="00:05:10.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except in theory.""" start="00:05:13.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They cannot navigate their way around their own computers.""" start="00:05:14.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They don't understand the value or the issues of networks.""" start="00:05:18.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are often more interested in convenience""" start="00:05:22.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than in customization of the environment.""" start="00:05:25.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a result, the machines which we're meant to control""" start="00:05:28.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have all the power--though passively,""" start="00:05:31.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course, for now anyway.""" start="00:05:35.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The solution: Emacs + Org-mode""" start="00:05:36.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Enter Emacs, the self-extensible operating system""" start="00:05:36.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""disguised as a text editor.""" start="00:05:43.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're at EmacsConf, so of course I don't have to tell you""" start="00:05:46.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what Emacs can do.""" start="00:05:51.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's a rundown on the right-hand side""" start="00:05:52.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of some of its most important properties,""" start="00:05:54.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an Org Mode file excerpt""" start="00:05:56.760" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from one of my classes on the left.""" start="00:05:58.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What you may not know is how to onboard students who have,""" start="00:06:00.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the start, no interest whatsoever""" start="00:06:05.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in leaving their comfort zone,""" start="00:06:07.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is defined by a lifetime of Windows,""" start="00:06:08.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pre-configured graphical interfaces, and software bloat.""" start="00:06:12.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, when I started this, I wasn't very hopeful,""" start="00:06:16.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the results have made me even more optimistic""" start="00:06:19.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than I already am by nature.""" start="00:06:22.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Emacs configuration file""" start="00:06:24.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So to rein in your expectations,""" start="00:06:24.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you cannot do entirely without""" start="00:06:28.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""configuring the student's experience.""" start="00:06:31.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An important part of this""" start="00:06:33.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the initial Emacs configuration shown here.""" start="00:06:35.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The minimal configuration file,""" start="00:06:38.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you can see on the right-hand side,""" start="00:06:40.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""allows the students to run code in C and C++, R, SQL,""" start="00:06:42.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SQLite, Python, and Bash.""" start="00:06:46.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will allow them to update Emacs packages""" start="00:06:48.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the stable Melpa repository,""" start="00:06:52.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it will allow them to create code blocks easily""" start="00:06:55.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using skeleton commands for code blocks,""" start="00:06:58.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to auto-load the Emacs Speaks Statistics package,""" start="00:07:01.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you particularly need when you run R in Emacs,""" start="00:07:06.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lastly, to disable toolbar and graphical menu bars.""" start="00:07:09.760" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To do that encourages the exclusive use of the keyboard""" start="00:07:14.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to control Emacs, and to stop the students""" start="00:07:19.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from flicking all the time to the mouse;""" start="00:07:23.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""seems to be an essential part of getting used to Emacs.""" start="00:07:25.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Story + code = source + documentation""" start="00:07:30.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now Org Mode was included in Emacs in 2006 as a major mode,""" start="00:07:30.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and as you know, it's a structured plain text format""" start="00:07:38.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with notebook live code execution.""" start="00:07:41.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's an ideal platform for literate programming,""" start="00:07:45.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a term for programming that intermingles code,""" start="00:07:47.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documentation, and output within a single document,""" start="00:07:52.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that can, as you can see here from an org file,""" start="00:07:55.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either be tangled into source code""" start="00:07:59.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or woven into a documentation file, which could be PDF,""" start="00:08:02.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could be Markdown, could be OpenOffice,""" start="00:08:07.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could be a notebook format.""" start="00:08:11.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This methodology was conceived by Donald Knuth in 1984,""" start="00:08:13.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it is therefore even older than Emacs itself.""" start="00:08:18.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""What is literate programming?""" start="00:08:22.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The main purpose of literate programming is not only""" start="00:08:22.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make code or documentation or output 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+[[!template text="""which is not shown here on the slide itself.""" start="00:08:56.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the middle, you have the source code,""" start="00:09:00.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the result of tangling""" start="00:09:02.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or of opening a buffer inside org-mode.""" start="00:09:05.760" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And on the very right-hand side, you have a PDF--""" start="00:09:10.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually this HTML rendering of the very same file""" start="00:09:16.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you see on the very left.""" start="00:09:20.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the humans look at some of this code,""" start="00:09:22.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the machines will look at other parts of the code.""" start="00:09:26.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually did all my programming in a literate way""" start="00:09:29.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even in the early 1990s, not using org-mode,""" start="00:09:33.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which didn't exist yet,""" start="00:09:35.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but using Norman Ramsey's Noweb preprocessor.""" start="00:09:36.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I still use it inside org-mode today.""" start="00:09:40.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This preprocessor, Noweb, allows you to tangle code""" start="00:09:43.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from 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+[[!template text="""Two of these stand out particularly.""" start="00:10:31.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Different languages can be mixed, as shown in the image,""" start="00:10:33.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while in Jupyter notebooks, a notebook is limited to""" start="00:10:39.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running a kernel in one language only.""" start="00:10:43.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the content of the notebook--""" start="00:10:45.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its document code or output part--""" start="00:10:48.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be exported in a variety of formats,""" start="00:10:50.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes it much easier to share with others""" 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completion,""" start="00:15:05.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the research question at the start,""" start="00:15:07.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the prototype to the finished product.""" start="00:15:09.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here on the right-hand side,""" start="00:15:12.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see one of those assignments""" start="00:15:15.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the students received,""" start="00:15:17.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including some of the metadata for their Org Mode files""" start="00:15:18.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the beginning of the course.""" start="00:15:24.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are two graphs that I created early on""" start="00:15:26.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I started doing this.""" start="00:15:32.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They show how the test results of the students""" start="00:15:34.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in two different courses, actually three courses,""" start="00:15:36.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changed from before to after""" start="00:15:39.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""introducing literate programming with Emacs and Org Mode.""" start="00:15:41.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you see the before and after""" start="00:15:45.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""introducing literate programming in the red curve before""" start="00:15:49.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the blue curve afterwards.""" start="00:15:53.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the improvement, especially on the right-hand side,""" start="00:15:54.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is quite significant.""" start="00:15:58.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was this performance improvement,""" start="00:15:59.720" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""apart from the students who were voicing their support,""" start="00:16:02.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that made me extend the Emacs experiment""" start="00:16:05.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after the first term""" start="00:16:08.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and continue for the following two terms.""" start="00:16:09.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Overall results positive""" start="00:16:15.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The courses... Coming to the result, the overall result...""" start="00:16:15.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The courses were formally and informally""" start="00:16:18.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also evaluated by the students,""" start="00:16:21.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you need to look at my paper""" start="00:16:23.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for some explicit student comments,""" start="00:16:24.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you will find there.""" start="00:16:27.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here, I'm giving you only the summary.""" start="00:16:28.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So first of all, Emacs proved to be hard to learn for some,""" start="00:16:29.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but all students succeeded in all courses,""" start="00:16:34.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""independent of the level of""" start="00:16:37.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""their previous knowledge and skill.""" start="00:16:39.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The documentation practices remained pretty uneven.""" start="00:16:40.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So some students wrote a lot, others wrote little.""" start="00:16:45.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But they were overall much higher than in classes""" start="00:16:49.640" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without the use of Emacs and Org Mode.""" start="00:16:53.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The interactivity enabled through Emacs""" start="00:16:57.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was highly praised by the students""" start="00:16:59.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and always identified on the evaluations.""" start="00:17:01.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And lastly and most importantly, given the problems""" start="00:17:05.040" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I identified earlier, the computing file""" start="00:17:08.560" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and data handling competence""" start="00:17:13.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the students who worked with Emacs throughout""" start="00:17:15.080" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""opening Emacs shells, running programs through Emacs,""" start="00:17:18.280" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these skills increased massively.""" start="00:17:23.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the published paper, I have expressed""" start="00:17:27.000" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a little more doubt than you see on this slide.""" start="00:17:30.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But now, actually, I'm feeling quite hopeful again,""" start="00:17:32.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially because recently for one term,""" start="00:17:38.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have returned to Jupyter notebooks.""" start="00:17:41.880" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the current term, I abandoned Emacs again""" start="00:17:47.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for online Jupyter notebook installations.""" start="00:17:50.600" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason is that these Jupyter notebooks""" start="00:17:53.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I use from DataCamp have generative AI support""" start="00:17:55.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from ChatGPT integrated into the notebook.""" start="00:18:00.160" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I wanted to try that.""" start="00:18:03.440" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But after one term without Emacs,""" start="00:18:04.920" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I regret that decision now.""" start="00:18:08.520" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The AI advantage does not make up""" start="00:18:10.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the loss of the immersion""" start="00:18:13.200" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Emacs and Org Mode deliver.""" start="00:18:15.120" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion & outlook""" start="00:18:19.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And here's the summary.""" start="00:18:19.800" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When learning computer and data science,""" start="00:18:21.400" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""immersion is everything.""" start="00:18:23.760" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best students will aim at immersion anyway.""" start="00:18:25.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But for the majority of students,""" start="00:18:29.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""immersion must happen in class.""" start="00:18:31.240" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs and Org Mode performed throughout very well""" start="00:18:33.680" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the central literary programming platform.""" start="00:18:39.840" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the pre-configuring and the onboarding,""" start="00:18:42.320" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I showed to you, were very important""" start="00:18:45.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to train the students quickly.""" start="00:18:48.960" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the paper, I also speculated on the impact""" start="00:18:50.360" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of low-code, no-code, and AI coding assistance.""" start="00:18:54.480" video="mainVideo-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And my 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we're born without humour""" start="00:00:31.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so any sense of humour is the result of very""" start="00:00:34.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hard work.""" start="00:00:38.300" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well I can confirm therefore that your work""" start="00:00:40.940" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is evident in this particular remark.""" start="00:00:44.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as we did before and perhaps this time""" start="00:00:47.780" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more punctiliously, terrible adverb,""" start="00:00:50.940" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's why I'm an English major we will be""" start="00:00:54.320" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking questions first from 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All right, well,""" start="00:01:42.270" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's get started with the questions because""" start="00:01:43.580" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a little worried that we might acquire""" start="00:01:45.040" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debt because of the time that we have.""" start="00:01:48.340" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And just to be clear, so that you also know""" start="00:01:50.580" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the time at which we're supposed to be""" start="00:01:53.040" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""finishing, the next talk here on this track""" start="00:01:54.479" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is supposed to be at 10.40,""" start="00:01:57.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in 13 minutes from now.""" start="00:01:59.700" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, with that said,""" start="00:02:01.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting with the first questions.""" start="00:02:03.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What tools do you use for making your slides?""" start="00:02:05.000" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are very nice and I concur.""" start="00:02:07.300" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OrgReveal?""" start="00:02:17.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I use OrgReveal. It's a package,""" start="00:02:12.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OrgReveal. I don't have the link right now,""" start="00:02:22.980" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's an org mode package where You create""" start="00:02:26.380" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some meta information and I think it's""" start="00:02:31.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically JavaScript, JavaScript package that""" start="00:02:35.400" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will work from a bunch of different""" start="00:02:39.900" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""platforms, but it works particularly well""" start="00:02:45.580" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from Emacs. 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So I can't wait.""" start="00:14:21.820" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nobody wants to come to Batesville where I""" start="00:14:23.100" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""am, but thank you so much.""" start="00:14:24.720" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was really super professional.""" start="00:14:25.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I love that.""" start="00:14:27.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Great. 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I'm going to write that down as a""" start="00:17:02.380" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing to talk about in some future talk.""" start="00:17:06.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so ADA with big data.""" start="00:17:08.260" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even though interesting would be to know what""" start="00:17:11.599" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of size of data you're actually talking""" start="00:17:13.940" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about. 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It's interesting,""" start="00:21:06.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's something that comes to my mind.""" start="00:21:15.860" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I was a young student,""" start="00:21:18.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right, people who used Emacs and the web""" start="00:21:19.740" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't particularly large.""" start="00:21:24.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the volunteers would automatically make""" start="00:21:25.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""videos but not for commercial purposes.""" start="00:21:29.440" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now you have an army of people who make""" start="00:21:31.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commercial videos and the videos are usually""" start="00:21:34.740" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good for the first 10% of every content,""" start="00:21:38.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but as soon as it gets a little more""" start="00:21:41.040" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""difficult, they either don't know what to do""" start="00:21:42.540" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anymore or they don't do it because it's not""" start="00:21:44.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commercially viable. 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A whole separate 1 what?""" start="00:24:54.780" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: whole separate 1? A whole separate org""" start="00:24:59.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, I see. Yeah, probably would be.""" start="00:25:07.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Actually.""" start="00:25:10.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: dedicated conference. It's just like you see""" start="00:25:05.020" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how EmacsConf is well done.""" start="00:25:13.940" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's like creating anything that has good""" start="00:25:16.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yes. 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So,""" start="00:35:58.700" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the first sprint review is introductory,""" start="00:36:00.300" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the research proposal,""" start="00:36:02.500" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the second 1 is about methodology,""" start="00:36:03.540" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the third 1 about results,""" start="00:36:05.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the last 1 is their final presentation.""" start="00:36:06.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so that's the way I manage the projects,""" start="00:36:09.000" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's about as much as I can do with""" start="00:36:11.160" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them. It's a good idea.""" start="00:36:16.040" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hadn't even thought about using Org-ROM""" start="00:36:17.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with them, but to teach them that might be a""" start="00:36:19.900" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good idea, actually.""" start="00:36:22.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Well, for Org-ROM, actually,""" start="00:36:25.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I found useful during my graduate is for""" start="00:36:27.400" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literature review. Yes.""" start="00:36:32.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other part of our program that is not""" start="00:36:34.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about your like noting down your thoughts is""" start="00:36:37.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about writing about literature notes.""" start="00:36:40.580" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, that's a good idea actually.""" start="00:36:43.780" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, I mean,""" start="00:36:45.480" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's more stuff that they should learn,""" start="00:36:46.320" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, like another 1,""" start="00:36:48.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since you mentioned literature,""" start="00:36:50.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, latex and Bibtech is another""" start="00:36:52.420" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""obvious extension of that.""" start="00:36:55.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But that is actually a good idea because the""" start="00:36:58.780" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literature is what they have the hardest time""" start="00:37:01.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, like when you need to read like 50""" start="00:37:04.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""papers.""" start="00:37:06.980" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: with. Last term, since you mentioned that,""" start="00:37:03.080" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a really nice experience because 1 of""" start="00:37:12.480" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""our librarians, our digital librarian,""" start="00:37:16.220" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""came along and talked to the students,""" start="00:37:18.420" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he taught me about a tool called""" start="00:37:19.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""litmap.com, which is basically,""" start="00:37:21.580" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know how it's implemented,""" start="00:37:24.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's basically a graph,""" start="00:37:25.460" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a graph representation of papers organized by""" start="00:37:28.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""citation. It's very, very cool.""" start="00:37:31.620" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the students who used to only find,""" start="00:37:35.900" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, 1 paper and otherwise,""" start="00:37:38.480" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course, 15 YouTube videos and 100 blogs,""" start="00:37:41.180" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suddenly started finding and reading""" start="00:37:45.380" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scientific papers. It was only because of""" start="00:37:49.540" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this presentation. So you should take the,""" start="00:37:52.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, I hope that is the right,""" start="00:37:55.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the right mode,""" start="00:37:58.320" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""litmaps. Okay, it's not litmap,""" start="00:38:00.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's called Litmaps. I'm gonna give you an""" start="00:38:02.380" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""example. I don't know if I can share this,""" start="00:38:05.640" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you can look at that.""" start="00:38:09.000" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But basically you create a,""" start="00:38:10.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 can use 1 of your papers as a seed,""" start="00:38:13.860" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then it will create a graph,""" start="00:38:16.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""graph representation of it for you.""" start="00:38:19.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is a powerful tool in itself.""" start="00:38:21.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But what I'm saying is that the students""" start="00:38:25.400" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suddenly, their use of literature and that""" start="00:38:27.620" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""citation goes to the roof.""" start="00:38:30.900" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I've been waiting for that for probably""" start="00:38:33.080" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""15 years since I've started teaching.""" start="00:38:36.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's crazy. That's really cool.""" start="00:38:38.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Here is the same tool,""" start="00:38:46.500" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's called connected papers.""" start="00:38:47.720" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's based on the open source citation data.""" start="00:38:49.440" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I know that as well,""" start="00:38:54.140" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think.""" start="00:38:56.500" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: It's actually very useful when you just start""" start="00:39:00.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learning the topic. It's like you find 1""" start="00:39:01.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""paper, then you look into the connections.""" start="00:39:03.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can quickly narrow down to the most""" start="00:39:05.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cited, the core papers.""" start="00:39:08.260" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Of course. And that is exactly their""" start="00:39:10.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""situation, you know, and they're always at""" start="00:39:12.500" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the beginning. As you go on,""" start="00:39:14.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you develop different ways,""" start="00:39:17.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for these complete beginners,""" start="00:39:18.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a good idea. Thank you so much for""" start="00:39:20.200" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. Okay, guys, anything else?""" start="00:39:22.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've enjoyed the conversation,""" start="00:39:31.240" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you should definitely,""" start="00:39:32.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to take some of these things away.""" start="00:39:36.000" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for that.""" start="00:39:38.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you done, Yanta, have you done org mode""" start="00:39:42.340" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documentations yourself on WOC?""" start="00:39:46.300" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or do you have a sort of a favorite 1?""" start="00:39:48.900" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I often on walk,""" start="00:39:52.120" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often use the documentation for code""" start="00:39:53.600" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocks. I used to when I started doing that""" start="00:39:56.740" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah, because it's only on work.""" start="00:40:00.760" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not part of the manual.""" start="00:40:02.800" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for the first time. Yeah,""" start="00:39:59.620" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah. And so I've used that a lot.""" start="00:40:05.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Have I done? Not really,""" start="00:40:07.780" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mostly fixing the errors.""" start="00:40:09.720" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:40:12.260" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think that's a really good idea.""" start="00:40:14.280" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Well, thank you very much.""" start="00:40:16.440" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's great to be at this conference.""" start="00:40:19.960" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I'm going to get on.""" start="00:40:22.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Thanks for answering all the questions.""" start="00:40:27.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for the talk, It was quite interesting to""" start="00:40:29.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see our modules in actual teaching.""" start="00:40:32.560" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yes, thank you. And I got to thank Daniel""" start="00:40:36.200" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""German from Canada, the 1 of,""" start="00:40:38.600" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had him on 1 of the slides because he,""" start="00:40:40.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""he inspired me to do that.""" start="00:40:43.660" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, and I wouldn't be at the conference if I""" start="00:40:45.380" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hadn't contacted him and said oh here's my""" start="00:40:47.540" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""paper and he said oh you should come to the""" start="00:40:49.480" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference and so that's why I came to the""" start="00:40:50.980" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference. Thank you very much and as they""" start="00:40:52.680" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say keep in touch. You're welcome.""" start="00:40:58.480" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay bye-bye. You're welcome.""" start="00:41:04.100" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, bye-bye. Take a copy of the chat before""" start="00:41:05.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you go, if you can. Happy weekend to just bye""" start="00:41:15.820" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bye.""" start="00:41:22.360" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You are currently the only person in this""" start="00:41:34.920" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference.""" start="00:41:36.840" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You""" start="00:42:00.060" video="qanda-teaching" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [birkenkrahe@lyon.edu](mailto:birkenkrahe@lyon.edu?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20teaching%3A%20Teaching%20computer%20and%20data%20science%20with%20literate%20programming%20tools) + + +<!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/teaching-before.md b/2023/info/teaching-before.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1348f7ae --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/teaching-before.md @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> +[[!toc ]] +Format: 20-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: TO_INDEX_QA + + + + + +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-teaching"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-teaching" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:54.160 My interest in this topic +02:08.040 What is data science? +03:47.640 Computer science is a craft +04:52.840 The problem +05:36.560 The solution: Emacs + Org-mode +06:24.120 Emacs configuration file +07:30.360 Story + code = source + documentation +08:22.040 What is literate programming? +09:59.880 Emacs as a literate programming tool +11:18.960 Case study: basic setup +12:11.280 Emacs + Org-mode notebooks +12:45.800 Onboarding: simplified Emacs tutorial +13:40.840 Instruction + interaction +14:48.720 Assignments + projects +16:15.280 Overall results positive +18:19.800 Conclusion & outlook + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 19:27 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-teaching">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=c7af4fb02c209bbd6864301fdf26dd137916469c-1701529159289">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main.opus">Download --main.opus (14MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--main.webm">Download --main.webm (44MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe.odp">Download .odp (15MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe.org">Download .org</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe.pdf">Download .pdf (2.9MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe.pptx">Download .pptx (15MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/b4eLjcLo9vcewVTzrv95L8">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/U15zUNBz2CU">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-teaching"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/teaching-nav.md b/2023/info/teaching-nav.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..64d98156 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/teaching-nav.md @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ + +<div class="talk-nav"> +Back to the [[talks]] +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/uni">Authoring and presenting university courses with Emacs and a full libre software stack</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/table">Who needs Excel? Managing your students qualifications with org-table</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> +</div> diff --git a/2023/info/test-after.md b/2023/info/test-after.md index 2c7c24ba..b2329598 100644 --- a/2023/info/test-after.md +++ b/2023/info/test-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,945 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [matsl@gnu.org](mailto:matsl@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20test%3A%20What%20I%20learned%20by%20writing%20test%20cases%20for%20GNU%20Hyperbole) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="test-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:03.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi everyone! I'm Mats Lidell.""" start="00:00:03.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk about my journey""" start="00:00:07.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole""" start="00:00:09.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what I learned on the way.""" start="00:00:12.481" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, why write tests for GNU Hyperbole?""" start="00:00:19.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is some background.""" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm the co-maintainer of GNU Hyperbole""" start="00:00:25.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together with Bob Weiner. Bob is the author of the package.""" start="00:00:27.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The package is available through""" start="00:00:33.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs package manager and GNU Elpa""" start="00:00:34.681" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you would want to try it out.""" start="00:00:38.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The package has some age. I think it dates back to""" start="00:00:42.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a first release around 1993, which is also""" start="00:00:46.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I got in contact with the package the first time.""" start="00:00:50.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was a user of the package for many years.""" start="00:00:54.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Later, I became the maintainer of the package for the FSF.""" start="00:00:58.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was although I did not have""" start="00:01:03.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much knowledge of Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:01:04.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I still have a lot to learn.""" start="00:01:09.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A few years ago, we started to work actively on the package,""" start="00:01:12.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with setting up goals and having meetings.""" start="00:01:15.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my starting point is that I had experience""" start="00:01:20.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with test automation from development""" start="00:01:24.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in C++, Java and Python""" start="00:01:27.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using different x-unit frameworks like cppunit, junit.""" start="00:01:30.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was in my daytime work where""" start="00:01:37.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the technique of using pull requests""" start="00:01:40.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with changes backed up by tests were the daily routine.""" start="00:01:41.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was really a requirement for a change to go in""" start="00:01:46.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have supporting test cases.""" start="00:01:49.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe, a quite common setup and requirement these days.""" start="00:01:52.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also had been an Emacs user for many years,""" start="00:01:58.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with focus on being a user.""" start="00:02:02.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as I mentioned, I have limited Emacs Lisp knowledge.""" start="00:02:04.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When we decided to start""" start="00:02:09.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to work actively on Hyperbole again,""" start="00:02:11.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was natural for me to look into""" start="00:02:13.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""raising the quality by adding unit tests.""" start="00:02:15.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This also goes hand in hand""" start="00:02:18.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with running these regularly as part of a build process.""" start="00:02:20.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All in all, following the current best practice""" start="00:02:25.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of software development.""" start="00:02:28.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But since Hyperbole had no tests at all,""" start="00:02:31.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would not be enough just to add tests""" start="00:02:36.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for new or changed functionality.""" start="00:02:38.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We wanted to add it even broader; ideally, everywhere.""" start="00:02:41.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So work started with adding tests here and there""" start="00:02:44.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based on our gut feeling where it would be most useful.""" start="00:02:48.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This work is still ongoing.""" start="00:02:52.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is where my journey starts""" start="00:02:55.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with much functionality to test,""" start="00:02:58.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no knowledge of what testing frameworks existed,""" start="00:03:00.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not really knowing a lot about Emacs Lisp at all.""" start="00:03:03.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""ERT: Emacs Lisp Regression Testing""" start="00:03:11.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Luckily there is a package for writing tests in Emacs.""" start="00:03:11.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is called ERT: Emacs Lisp Regression Testing.""" start="00:03:13.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It contains both support for defining tests and running them.""" start="00:03:17.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Defining a test is done with the macro `ert-deftest`.""" start="00:03:20.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In its simplest form, a test has a name, a doc string, and a body.""" start="00:03:24.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The doc string is where you typically can give""" start="00:03:28.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a detailed description of the test""" start="00:03:31.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and has space for more info""" start="00:03:33.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than what can be given in the test name.""" start="00:03:35.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The body is where all the interesting things happen.""" start="00:03:42.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is here you prepare the test, run it and verify the outcome.""" start="00:03:45.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Schematically, it looks like this.""" start="00:03:51.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have the ert-deftest, you have the test name,""" start="00:03:54.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the doc string, and then the body.""" start="00:04:00.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is in the body where everything interesting happens.""" start="00:04:02.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The test is prepared, the function of the test is executed,""" start="00:04:06.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the outcome of the test is evaluated.""" start="00:04:09.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Did the test succeed or not?""" start="00:04:13.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Assertions with `should`""" start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The verification of a test is performed with""" start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one or more so-called assertions.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In ERT, they are implemented""" start="00:04:21.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the macro `should`""" start="00:04:25.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together with a set of related macros.""" start="00:04:26.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`should` takes a form as argument,""" start="00:04:33.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if the form evaluates to nil,""" start="00:04:35.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the test has failed. So let's look at an example.""" start="00:04:37.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This simple test verifies that the function `+`""" start="00:04:48.581" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can add the numbers 2 and 3 and get the result 5.""" start="00:04:51.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Running a test case""" start="00:04:56.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now we have defined a test case. How do we run it?""" start="00:04:56.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The ERT package has the function (or""" start="00:05:01.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather convenience alias) `ert`. It takes a test selector.""" start="00:05:03.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The test name works as a selector for running just one test.""" start="00:05:09.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have the example. Let's evaluate it.""" start="00:05:19.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We define it and then we run it using ERT.""" start="00:05:27.901" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see, we get prompted for a test selector""" start="00:05:34.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we only have one test case defined at the moment.""" start="00:05:42.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the example 0. So let's hit RET.""" start="00:05:46.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see here, we get some output""" start="00:05:55.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""describing what we have just done.""" start="00:05:58.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is one test case it has passed, zero failed,""" start="00:06:01.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""zero skipped, total 1 of 1 test case""" start="00:06:04.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some time stamps for the execution.""" start="00:06:07.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also see this green mark here indicating one test case""" start="00:06:14.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that it was successful.""" start="00:06:18.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For inspecting the test, we can hit the letter `l`""" start="00:06:23.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows all the `should` forms""" start="00:06:29.660" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was executed during this test case.""" start="00:06:32.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we see that we have the `should`,""" start="00:06:37.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one `should` executed, and we see the form equals to 2,""" start="00:06:39.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it was 5 equals to 5.""" start="00:06:48.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So a good example of a successful test case.""" start="00:06:49.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Debug a test""" start="00:06:54.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now we've seen how we can run a test case.""" start="00:06:54.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can we debug it? Yes. For debugging a test case,""" start="00:06:57.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the `ert-deftest` can be set up using `edebug-defun`,""" start="00:07:03.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just as a function or macro is set up""" start="00:07:07.940" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or instrumented for debugging. So let's try that.""" start="00:07:10.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we try `edebug-defun` here.""" start="00:07:18.820" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it's instrumented for debugging.""" start="00:07:24.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we run it, `ert`, and we're inside the debugger,""" start="00:07:28.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can inspect here what's happening.""" start="00:07:35.660" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Step through it and yes it succeeded just as before.""" start="00:07:40.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Commercial break: Hyperbole""" start="00:07:50.380" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It's time for a commercial break!""" start="00:07:50.380" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole itself can help with running tests""" start="00:07:56.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also help with running them in debug mode.""" start="00:08:00.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is because hyperbole identifies the `ert-deftest`""" start="00:08:03.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an implicit button. An implicit button is basically""" start="00:08:08.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a string or pattern""" start="00:08:12.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Hyperbole has assigned some meaning to.""" start="00:08:13.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the string `ert-deftest`, it is to run the test case.""" start="00:08:16.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You activate the button with the action-key.""" start="00:08:19.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The standard binding is the middle mouse button,""" start="00:08:24.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or from the keyboard, M-RET.""" start="00:08:27.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's try that.""" start="00:08:33.041" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We move the cursor here and then we type M-RET.""" start="00:08:34.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And boom, the test case was executed.""" start="00:08:42.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And to run it in debug mode we type C-u M-RET""" start="00:08:47.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the assist key, and then we're in the debugger.""" start="00:08:54.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's pretty useful and convenient.""" start="00:08:57.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Instrument function on the fly""" start="00:09:10.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""A related useful feature here is the step-in functionality""" start="00:09:10.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bound to the letter i in `debug-mode`.""" start="00:09:13.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It allows you to step into a function""" start="00:09:16.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and continue debugging from there.""" start="00:09:18.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For the cases where your test does not do what you want,""" start="00:09:20.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at what happens in the function of the test""" start="00:09:22.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be really useful. Let's try that with another example.""" start="00:09:25.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have two helper functions, one `f1-add`,""" start="00:09:37.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that use the built-in `+` function""" start="00:09:43.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we have `my-add` that uses that function.""" start="00:09:47.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to test myadd.""" start="00:09:52.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then let's run this.""" start="00:09:59.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's run this using hyperbole in debug mode""" start="00:10:02.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-u M-RET. We're in the debugger again,""" start="00:10:05.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and let's step up front to my function under test""" start="00:10:10.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then press `i` for getting it instrumented""" start="00:10:15.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and going into it for debugging.""" start="00:10:19.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we can expect that it's getting""" start="00:10:23.020" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the arguments 1 and 3,""" start="00:10:25.140" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it returns the result 4 as expected.""" start="00:10:26.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yes, of course, our test case will then succeed.""" start="00:10:31.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Mocking""" start="00:10:39.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The next tool in our toolbox is mocking.""" start="00:10:39.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mocking is needed when we want to simulate the response""" start="00:10:41.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a function used by the function under test.""" start="00:10:46.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is the implementation of the function.""" start="00:10:49.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This could be for various reasons.""" start="00:10:53.140" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One example could be because it would be hard or impossible""" start="00:10:56.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the test setup to get the behavior you want to test for,""" start="00:11:00.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like an external error case.""" start="00:11:04.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the mock can also be used to verify""" start="00:11:06.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the function is called with a specific argument.""" start="00:11:08.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can view it as a way to isolate the function on the test""" start="00:11:11.620" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from its dependencies.""" start="00:11:14.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in order to test the function in isolation,""" start="00:11:16.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we need to cut out any dependencies to external behavior.""" start="00:11:18.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most obvious would be dependencies to external resources,""" start="00:11:22.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as web pages. As an example:""" start="00:11:25.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole contains functionality to link you to""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""social media resources and other resources on the net.""" start="00:11:30.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Testing that would require the test system to call out""" start="00:11:34.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the social media resources""" start="00:11:37.900" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and would depend on it being available, etc.""" start="00:11:39.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nothing technically stops a test case""" start="00:11:43.540" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to depend on the external resources,""" start="00:11:45.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but would, if nothing else, be flaky or slow.""" start="00:11:47.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It could be part of an end-to-end suite""" start="00:11:51.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we want to test that it works all the way.""" start="00:11:53.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, we want to look at the isolated case""" start="00:11:57.180" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be run with no dependency on external resources.""" start="00:11:59.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What you want to do is to replace the function with a mock""" start="00:12:04.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that behaves as the real function would do.""" start="00:12:06.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The package I have found""" start="00:12:10.340" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have used for mocking is `el-mock`.""" start="00:12:11.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The workhorse in this package is the `with-mock` macro.""" start="00:12:14.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks like this: `with-mock` followed by a body.""" start="00:12:21.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the execution of the body, stubs and mocks""" start="00:12:26.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defined in the body is respected.""" start="00:12:30.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at some examples to make that clearer.""" start="00:12:32.900" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, we have the macro `with-mock`.""" start="00:12:39.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works so that the 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text="""that the mock function is called with.""" start="00:13:30.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or more precise, it is checked""" start="00:13:31.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after the `with-mock` clause""" start="00:13:33.848" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the arguments match the arguments it was called with""" start="00:13:35.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even if it was called at all.""" start="00:13:38.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it is called with other arguments""" start="00:13:39.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be an error,""" start="00:13:41.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if it's not called, it is also an error.""" start="00:13:43.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this way, we are sure that the function""" start="00:13:46.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we were expected to be called actually was called.""" start="00:13:48.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An important piece of the testing.""" start="00:13:51.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we are sure that the mock we have provided""" start="00:13:53.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually is triggered by the test case.""" start="00:13:56.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have an example of `with-mock`""" start="00:14:04.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the `f1-add` function is mocked,""" start="00:14:08.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that if it's called with 2 and 3 as arguments,""" start="00:14:18.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will 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Then we have a test case""" start="00:14:22.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we try the `my-add` function,""" start="00:14:24.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you might remember, and call that with 2 and 3""" start="00:14:28.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see that it should also then return 10""" start="00:14:30.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's using `f1-add`.""" start="00:14:32.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""cl-letf""" start="00:14:41.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Moving over to `cl-letf`.""" start="00:14:41.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In rare occasions, the limitations of `el-mock` means""" start="00:14:44.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you would want to implement a full-fledged function""" start="00:14:47.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be used under test.""" start="00:14:50.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then the macro `cl-letf` can be useful.""" start="00:14:52.980" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, you need to handle the case yourself""" start="00:14:55.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if the function was not called.""" start="00:14:57.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looking through the test cases where I have used `cl-letf`,""" start="00:15:00.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think most can be implemented using plain mocking.""" start="00:15:03.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cases left is where the args to the mock might be different""" start="00:15:06.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to environment issues.""" start="00:15:11.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In that case, a static mock will not work.""" start="00:15:13.740" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hooks""" start="00:15:24.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another trick is that functions that uses hooks.""" start="00:15:24.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can overload or replace the hooks to do the testing.""" start="00:15:30.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can use the hook function just to do the verification""" start="00:15:35.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not do anything useful in the hook.""" start="00:15:40.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, here you need to be careful""" start="00:15:43.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make sure the test handler is called and nothing else.""" start="00:15:45.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Side effects and initial buffer state""" start="00:15:55.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So far we have been talking about testing""" start="00:15:55.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and what the function returns.""" start="00:15:57.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the best of words, we have a pure function""" start="00:15:59.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only depends on its arguments""" start="00:16:01.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and produces no side effects.""" start="00:16:02.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many operations produce side effects""" start="00:16:04.940" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or operate on the contents of buffers""" start="00:16:06.900" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as writing a message in the message buffer,""" start="00:16:09.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""change the state of a buffer, move point etc.""" start="00:16:12.380" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hyperbole is not an exception. Quite the contrary.""" start="00:16:15.660" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Much of the functions creating links""" start="00:16:18.860" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are just about updating buffers.""" start="00:16:20.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This poses a special problem for tests.""" start="00:16:24.421" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The test gets longer""" start="00:16:28.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since you need to create buffers and files,""" start="00:16:29.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""initialize the contents.""" start="00:16:31.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Verifying the outcome becomes trickier""" start="00:16:33.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since you need to make sure you look at the right place.""" start="00:16:35.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the end of the test, you need to clean up,""" start="00:16:39.020" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both for not leaving a lot of garbage""" start="00:16:41.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in buffers and files around,""" start="00:16:43.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even worse, not cause later tests""" start="00:16:45.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to depend on the leftovers from the other tests.""" start="00:16:48.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are some functions and variables""" start="00:16:50.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have found useful for this.""" start="00:16:53.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""with-temp-buffer""" start="00:17:05.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""For creating tests: `with-temp-buffer`:""" start="00:17:05.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it provides you a temp buffer that you visit,""" start="00:17:09.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and afterwards, there is no need to clean up.""" start="00:17:11.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the first choice if that is all you need.""" start="00:17:13.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""make-temp-file""" start="00:17:16.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""`make-temp-file`: If you need a file,""" start="00:17:16.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is the function to use.""" start="00:17:20.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It creates a temp 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are normally small, this often works well.""" start="00:17:41.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have in particular found good use of comparing""" start="00:17:46.140" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contents of buffers with the empty string.""" start="00:17:48.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That would give an error, but as we have seen""" start="00:17:50.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the output produced by the `should` assertion,""" start="00:17:53.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is almost like a print statement""" start="00:17:56.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can be compared with the good old technique""" start="00:17:58.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of debugging with print statements.""" start="00:18:01.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There might be other ways to do the same""" start="00:18:04.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as we saw with debugging.""" start="00:18:06.248" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""buffer-name""" start="00:18:09.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""buffer-name: Getting the buffer name is good""" start="00:18:09.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to verify what buffer we are looking at.""" start="00:18:13.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I often found it useful to check""" start="00:18:16.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that my assumptions on what buffer I am acting on""" start="00:18:18.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is correct by adding `should` clauses""" start="00:18:21.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the middle of the test execution""" start="00:18:23.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or after preparing the test input.""" start="00:18:25.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes Emacs can switch buffers in strange ways,""" start="00:18:27.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe because the test case is badly written,""" start="00:18:31.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and making sure your assumptions are correct""" start="00:18:34.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a good sanity check.""" start="00:18:37.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Even the ert package does""" start="00:18:40.340" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some buffer and windows manipulation for its reporting""" start="00:18:42.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I have not fully learned how to master,""" start="00:18:44.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so assertion for checking the sanity of the test is good.""" start="00:18:47.488" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""major-mode""" start="00:18:51.980" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Finally, `major-mode`: Verify the buffer has the proper mode.""" start="00:18:51.980" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can also be very useful and is a good sanity check.""" start="00:18:55.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""unwind-protect""" start="00:19:02.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Finally, cleaning up. `unwind-protect`.""" start="00:19:02.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The tool for cleaning up is the `unwind-protect` form""" start="00:19:06.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which ensures that the unwind forms""" start="00:19:09.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""always are executed regardless of the outcome of the body.""" start="00:19:12.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if your test fails, you are sure the cleanup is executed.""" start="00:19:15.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's look at unwind-protect together with""" start="00:19:20.420" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the temporary file example. Many tests look like this.""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You create some resource, you call `unwind-protect`,""" start="00:19:30.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you do the test, and then afterwards you do the cleanup.""" start="00:19:35.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The cleanup for a file and a buffer is so common,""" start="00:19:42.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I have created a helper for that.""" start="00:19:46.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It looks like this.""" start="00:19:51.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The trick with the `buffer-modified` flag""" start="00:19:56.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to avoid getting prompted""" start="00:19:59.180" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for killing a buffer that is not saved.""" start="00:20:00.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The test buffers are often in the state""" start="00:20:03.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where they have not been saved but modified.""" start="00:20:05.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Input, with-simulated-input""" start="00:20:15.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another problem for tests are input.""" start="00:20:15.100" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the middle of execution a function""" start="00:20:19.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might want to have some interaction with the user.""" start="00:20:21.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Testing this poses a problem, not only in that""" start="00:20:24.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the input matters, but also as how even to get the test case""" start="00:20:26.960" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to recognize the input!?""" start="00:20:31.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ideally the tests are run in batch mode,""" start="00:20:34.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in some sense means no user interaction.""" start="00:20:36.040" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In batch mode, there is no event loop running.""" start="00:20:38.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fortunately, there is a package `with-simulated-input`""" start="00:20:43.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that gets you around these issues.""" start="00:20:47.180" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a macro that allows us""" start="00:20:53.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to define a set of characters""" start="00:20:55.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that will be read by the function under the test,""" start="00:20:57.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all of this works in batch mode. It looks like this.""" start="00:20:59.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have `with-simulated-input`,""" start="00:21:02.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then a string of characters, and then a body.""" start="00:21:04.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The form takes a string of keys""" start="00:21:09.840" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and runs the rest of the body,""" start="00:21:11.648" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and if there are input required,""" start="00:21:13.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is picked from the string of keys.""" start="00:21:15.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In our example, the `read-string` call""" start="00:21:18.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will read up until RET,""" start="00:21:20.422" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then return the characters read.""" start="00:21:21.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see in the example, space needs to be provided""" start="00:21:26.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by the string SPC, as return by the string RET.""" start="00:21:29.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Running all tests""" start="00:21:38.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So now we have seen ways to create test cases""" start="00:21:38.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and even make it possible to run some of them""" start="00:21:40.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has I/O in batch mode.""" start="00:21:43.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the initial goal was to run them all at once.""" start="00:21:44.680" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you do that?""" start="00:21:47.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to the `ert` command.""" start="00:21:48.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It prompts for a test selector.""" start="00:21:51.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we give it the selector `t`,""" start="00:21:53.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will run all tests we have currently defined.""" start="00:21:56.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try that with the subset of the Hyperbole tests.""" start="00:21:59.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is the test folder in the Hyperbole directory.""" start="00:22:05.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go up here and load all the demo tests.""" start="00:22:09.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then try to run `ert`.""" start="00:22:18.820" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we see that we have a bunch of test cases.""" start="00:22:21.208" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can all run them individually,""" start="00:22:26.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we can run them with `t` instead.""" start="00:22:27.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will run them all at once.""" start="00:22:31.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now, ert is executing all our test cases.""" start="00:22:35.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we have a nice green display""" start="00:22:51.420" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with all the test cases.""" start="00:22:57.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Batch mode""" start="00:23:03.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So that was fine, but we were still running it manually""" start="00:23:03.220" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by calling ert. How could we run it from the command line?""" start="00:23:08.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ert comes with functions for running it in batch mode.""" start="00:23:17.180" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For Hyperbole, we use `make` for repetitive tasks.""" start="00:23:21.500" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have a make target""" start="00:23:25.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that uses the ert batch functionality,""" start="00:23:27.120" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is the line from the Makefile.""" start="00:23:29.280" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a bit detailed,""" start="00:23:33.260" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you see that we have a part here""" start="00:23:35.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where we load the test dependencies.""" start="00:23:37.540" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For getting the packages""" start="00:23:40.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as `el-mock` and `with-simulated-input` etc. loaded.""" start="00:23:43.521" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also have... I also want to point out here the call to""" start="00:23:48.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the setting of `auto-save-default` to `nil`""" start="00:23:53.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get away with the prompt for excessive backup files""" start="00:23:58.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can pile up after running the tests a few times.""" start="00:24:02.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Skipping tests""" start="00:24:05.060" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Even with the help of simulated input,""" start="00:24:05.060" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not all tests can be run in batch mode.""" start="00:24:06.880" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They would simply not work there""" start="00:24:08.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have to be run in an interactive Emacs""" start="00:24:10.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the running event loop.""" start="00:24:12.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One trick still to be able to use batch mode for automation""" start="00:24:14.180" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to put the guard at the top of each test case""" start="00:24:17.920" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as the first thing to be executed,""" start="00:24:20.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it kicks in before anything else and stops Emacs""" start="00:24:22.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to run the test case.""" start="00:24:25.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, it looks like this: `(skip-unless (not noninteractive))`.""" start="00:24:27.200" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So when ert sees that the test should be skipped, it skips it""" start="00:24:35.520" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and makes a note of that,""" start="00:24:38.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you will see how many tests that have been skipped.""" start="00:24:40.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Too bad. We have a number of test cases defined,""" start="00:24:44.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and to run them, we need to run them manually. Well sort of.""" start="00:24:47.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not being able to run all tests easily""" start="00:24:51.360" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is a bit counterproductive""" start="00:24:53.808" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since our goal is to run all tests.""" start="00:24:58.420" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is however no ert function to run tests in batch mode""" start="00:25:01.000" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with an interactive Emacs.""" start="00:25:04.720" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The closest I have got is either""" start="00:25:06.780" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to start the Emacs from the command line""" start="00:25:08.480" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""calling the ert function as we just have seen,""" start="00:25:10.080" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then killing it manually when done;""" start="00:25:12.440" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or add a function to extract the contents of the ERT buffer""" start="00:25:14.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when done and echo it to standard output.""" start="00:25:19.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how it looks in the Makefile""" start="00:25:24.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the behavior of cutting and paste,""" start="00:25:27.801" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getting the ERT output into a file""" start="00:25:31.208" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can then kill Emacs""" start="00:25:34.581" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and spit out the content of the ERT buffer.""" start="00:25:36.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One final word here is that""" start="00:25:44.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you run this in a continuous integration pipeline,""" start="00:25:47.740" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might not have a TTY for getting Emacs to start,""" start="00:25:54.560" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that is then another problem""" start="00:25:59.400" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with getting the interactive mode.""" start="00:26:03.201" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:26:08.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We have reached the end of the talk.""" start="00:26:08.460" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any new ideas""" start="00:26:11.121" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or have some suggestions for improvements,""" start="00:26:14.160" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to reach out""" start="00:26:16.760" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I am still on the learning curve of writing,""" start="00:26:18.240" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how to write good test cases.""" start="00:26:21.101" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you look at the test cases we have in Hyperbole""" start="00:26:25.300" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you think they might contradict what I am saying here,""" start="00:26:27.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is OK. It is probably right.""" start="00:26:29.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have changed the style as I go""" start="00:26:32.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have not yet refactored all tests""" start="00:26:34.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to benefit from new designs.""" start="00:26:36.640" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is also the beauty of the test case.""" start="00:26:38.580" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As long as it serves its purpose, it is not terrible""" start="00:26:40.600" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it is not optimal or not having the best style.""" start="00:26:43.320" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yes, thanks for listening. Bye.""" start="00:26:47.800" video="mainVideo-test" id="subtitle"]] + +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="test-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Do we have any listeners?""" start="00:00:08.740" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's you and I. I have a question.""" start="00:00:13.340" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How many tests do you have for hyperbole and""" start="00:00:16.420" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How would you rate the test coverage compared""" start="00:00:18.800" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to other packages? Well,""" start="00:00:21.279" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a tricky 1. Shall I spell it out loud""" start="00:00:28.279" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then maybe type it at the same time?""" start="00:00:31.100" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I believe it's around like more than 300""" start="00:00:36.420" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""test cases now. But I cannot compare the test""" start="00:00:43.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coverage to any other""" start="00:00:45.220" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other package. Maybe I can type that later.""" start="00:01:00.020" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you say, Badal?""" start="00:01:01.560" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: package. I have no knowledge of any Yeah,""" start="00:01:02.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure, yeah, that's totally fine.""" start="00:01:03.840" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Feel free to just answer them with voice.""" start="00:01:05.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, yeah. There's another question.""" start="00:01:08.720" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 small suggestion to me,""" start="00:01:10.520" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should means optional,""" start="00:01:11.440" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where shall or must means required.""" start="00:01:13.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not sure if it is too late to make a major""" start="00:01:15.940" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""grammar change like that.""" start="00:01:17.220" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very nice presentation.""" start="00:01:18.080" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thanks for presentation,""" start="00:01:19.840" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the package ERT, well,""" start="00:01:24.380" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not something that we have come up with.""" start="00:01:27.920" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a standard package.""" start="00:01:28.920" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I believe it has been around for a long""" start="00:01:32.320" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time. So, but please feel free to make""" start="00:01:37.760" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suggestions and maybe you can,""" start="00:01:39.680" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, like do a copy or like an alias for""" start="00:01:43.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. If you believe it makes more sense for""" start="00:01:46.080" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your test cases to have that instead.""" start="00:01:48.080" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we have another question here.""" start="00:01:53.540" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For your info, you may find this helpful for""" start="00:01:55.540" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running MX test lint both from a command line""" start="00:01:58.780" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and from within MX with a transit menu.""" start="00:02:01.220" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GitHub alpha papa make sure,""" start="00:02:03.600" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes. It also works on remote CI.""" start="00:02:06.760" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, thank you, Alpha Papa.""" start="00:02:08.240" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I've looked into that,""" start="00:02:10.580" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we haven't made any use of that.""" start="00:02:13.440" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But maybe you'll inspire me to give it""" start="00:02:17.920" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another look.""" start="00:02:18.400" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Hey guys.""" start="00:02:29.260" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I remember, I recognize that voice.""" start="00:02:34.120" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bob. 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So you have to make note of""" start="00:23:06.260" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the function was called so you can fire""" start="00:23:08.440" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sort of an error in case your function wasn't""" start="00:23:12.440" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""called because that would be 1 error case.""" start="00:23:16.960" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: So you mean the mock fires an error if the""" start="00:23:20.660" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mocked function was actually not called?""" start="00:23:22.580" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yes, it does. Yes. 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At First I found it very""" start="00:24:26.680" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powerful to use that, but then I sort of,""" start="00:24:29.480" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I learned more about how we can use the""" start="00:24:32.120" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mocking library for what I needed.""" start="00:24:34.340" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I prefer that at the moment.""" start="00:24:36.900" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I see, that is interesting.""" start="00:24:40.560" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I had seen it,""" start="00:24:42.500" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I didn't consider that it's gonna be""" start="00:24:45.440" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""useful even in simple cases.""" start="00:24:46.800" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: It has its limitations.""" start="00:24:52.640" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's like life, how you turn depends.""" start="00:24:58.260" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But maybe I should look more into the org""" start="00:25:03.740" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode and the test case to learn more about""" start="00:25:05.880" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. So thanks for pointing that out.""" start="00:25:07.480" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: We are trying to cover as much as we can.""" start="00:25:14.620" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's almost impossible for org.""" start="00:25:17.520" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, we keep adding more tests.""" start="00:25:20.500" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: That's great.""" start="00:25:22.780" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone's typing. I don't know.""" start="00:25:52.720" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any more questions? No?""" start="00:25:54.340" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, then I'll go back and try to document""" start="00:26:01.060" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this in the etherpad. Thank you everybody for""" start="00:26:05.200" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thank you guys. Great work.""" start="00:26:08.860" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: joining. Great. Thank you.""" start="00:26:09.400" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Take care. Bye-bye.""" start="00:26:11.100" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Take care. Bye. Silence.""" start="00:26:15.060" video="qanda-test" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [matsl@gnu.org](mailto:matsl@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20test%3A%20What%20I%20learned%20by%20writing%20test%20cases%20for%20GNU%20Hyperbole) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/test-before.md b/2023/info/test-before.md index 376dee32..f68c0402 100644 --- a/2023/info/test-before.md +++ b/2023/info/test-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,42 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 27-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-test"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-test--what-i-learned-by-writing-test-cases-for-gnu-hyperbole--mats-lidell--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-test--what-i-learned-by-writing-test-cases-for-gnu-hyperbole--mats-lidell--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-test--what-i-learned-by-writing-test-cases-for-gnu-hyperbole--mats-lidell--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/test-nav.md b/2023/info/test-nav.md index 0c9d9fb1..eba71afd 100644 --- a/2023/info/test-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/test-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/scheme">Bringing joy to Scheme programming</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/flat">A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/lspocaml">Writing a language server in OCaml for Emacs, fun, and profit</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsconf">EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/unentangling-after.md b/2023/info/unentangling-after.md index 0f53c7af..57950f71 100644 --- a/2023/info/unentangling-after.md +++ b/2023/info/unentangling-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,280 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20unentangling%3A%20%28Un%29entangling%20projects%20and%20repos) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="unentangling-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.220" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Alexey Bochkarev,""" start="00:00:01.220" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm talking about unentangling projects""" start="00:00:03.740" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and repositories, or maybe entangling them,""" start="00:00:06.899" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""depending on how you look at that.""" start="00:00:09.679" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's going to be a short workflow note.""" start="00:00:12.980" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work as a researcher,""" start="00:00:16.619" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are 3 main components to my work,""" start="00:00:19.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess. First, I think,""" start="00:00:23.680" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I try to come up with a new ideas that""" start="00:00:26.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""usually results in some collection of notes I""" start="00:00:28.140" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have. Second, I try things out.""" start="00:00:31.580" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it usually means that I write code.""" start="00:00:33.760" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And third, I communicate.""" start="00:00:36.820" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I prepare papers, presentations,""" start="00:00:38.739" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""memos, and so on and so forth.""" start="00:00:41.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""The problem""" start="00:00:44.120" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The workflow problem I had is""" start="00:00:44.120" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes all this does not really fit into a""" start="00:00:49.160" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concept of a single repository per project.""" start="00:00:53.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I might want to have,""" start="00:00:56.200" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, a source code in one repository""" start="00:00:58.180" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then I would like to have a paper in""" start="00:01:01.320" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another one, and then I want to have a""" start="00:01:03.480" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collection of notes somewhere unrelated to""" start="00:01:05.200" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those two. Emacs is pretty good at supporting""" start="00:01:08.620" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your workflows and I figured I should share""" start="00:01:12.500" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I used and what works for me.""" start="00:01:16.240" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From the technical perspective,""" start="00:01:20.560" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things are pretty easy.""" start="00:01:26.479" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use a collection of pretty standard""" start="00:01:27.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""components of Emacs. 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And that's how it works.""" start="00:11:21.820" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So again, what comes in handy,""" start="00:11:23.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I hit C-o, I just go back to the""" start="00:11:28.860" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file I jumped in into and that's I jumped""" start="00:11:31.500" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from so that's also pretty handy.""" start="00:11:34.240" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So again no no rocket science in there.""" start="00:11:36.220" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I create a directory local variable that""" start="00:11:40.380" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps me to figure out what umbrella project""" start="00:11:42.660" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does this particular folder belongs to.""" start="00:11:46.620" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this way I make Emacs aware of,""" start="00:11:49.940" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, facts like,""" start="00:11:53.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this source code belongs to that project.""" start="00:11:54.480" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this paper, this repository with a paper""" start="00:11:56.740" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also belongs to that project.""" start="00:11:59.180" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I can have capture templates that would""" start="00:12:01.060" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""save my notes into the my private notes file""" start="00:12:04.060" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my to-dos and go to my private note files""" start="00:12:07.800" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so on and so forth.""" start="00:12:10.920" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I find it pretty simple but that really""" start="00:12:12.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps to reduce this context switching.""" start="00:12:15.520" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't believe it allows me to save""" start="00:12:19.600" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time, but that probably helps me to stay""" start="00:12:22.040" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""focused. And this is what is really""" start="00:12:26.260" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""important, I believe. So thank you very much.""" start="00:12:28.420" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you have any comments or suggestions""" start="00:12:31.400" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to that, please do jump into the discussion.""" start="00:12:33.320" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, after the talk, thank you.""" start="00:12:37.120" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20unentangling%3A%20%28Un%29entangling%20projects%20and%20repos) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/unentangling-before.md b/2023/info/unentangling-before.md index b8f1c406..bec15a98 100644 --- a/2023/info/unentangling-before.md +++ b/2023/info/unentangling-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,22 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by pad (preferred), or e-mail Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 13-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-unentangling"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-unentangling--unentangling-projects-and-repos--alexey-bochkarev--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-unentangling--unentangling-projects-and-repos--alexey-bochkarev--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-unentangling--unentangling-projects-and-repos--alexey-bochkarev--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md b/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md index fdfb9cd2..4ddda87d 100644 --- a/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/unentangling-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/solo">How I play TTRPGs in Emacs</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/ref">Org-Mode workflow: informal reference tracking</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/ref">Org-Mode workflow: informal reference tracking</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/devel">Emacs development updates</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/uni-after.md b/2023/info/uni-after.md index 8c7055f7..bd372d5f 100644 --- a/2023/info/uni-after.md +++ b/2023/info/uni-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,937 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20uni%3A%20Authoring%20and%20presenting%20university%20courses%20with%20Emacs%20and%20a%20full%20libre%20software%20stack) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="uni-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone. I'm James Howell.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I teach biochemistry and""" start="00:00:01.940" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""molecular biology at Penn State University.""" start="00:00:03.540" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk today""" start="00:00:07.220" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about using Emacs to make all of""" start="00:00:08.880" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the materials for presenting""" start="00:00:11.480" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""course meetings in my courses.""" start="00:00:13.620" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Everything that you're going to see today is""" start="00:00:15.680" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I've made using""" start="00:00:18.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the methods that I'm going to describe.""" start="00:00:20.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main point is that you can take""" start="00:00:26.200" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Org document and""" start="00:00:29.720" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a single Emacs document,""" start="00:00:32.080" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make both a pretty text document""" start="00:00:34.470" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that a student can have""" start="00:00:39.080" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the desk and take notes on.""" start="00:00:40.380" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, I hope,""" start="00:00:42.040" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fairly useful and attractive slides""" start="00:00:44.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the ones that I'm presenting right now.""" start="00:00:49.040" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Both of these""" start="00:00:51.340" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a single source document.""" start="00:00:52.860" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. If you'd like""" start="00:00:56.660" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see the handout that goes along with this,""" start="00:00:59.260" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can download it""" start="00:01:00.920" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the [Sourcehut] repository where""" start="00:01:02.800" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've put— everything's here.""" start="00:01:04.060" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you'd like to go look at it,""" start="00:01:05.960" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can follow with the handout.""" start="00:01:07.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I promised to talk about""" start="00:01:09.940" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both authoring and presenting.""" start="00:01:11.240" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Presenting""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And first I'm going to talk about presenting.""" start="00:01:12.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not the only one who does this.""" start="00:01:14.620" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You might have seen System Crafters [David Wilson]""" start="00:01:16.600" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Prot's [Protesilaos Stavrou's] channel or""" start="00:01:19.300" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike Zemansky's channel on Youtube.""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""(Prot actually is going to be presenting tomorrow.)""" start="00:01:23.060" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe you've seen this""" start="00:01:26.680" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chemical engineer at Carnegie Mellon,""" start="00:01:28.420" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John Kitchin or Eric Fraga""" start="00:01:30.180" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Olivier Berger all have made""" start="00:01:32.160" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blog posts about using Org mode""" start="00:01:34.140" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to produce course materials.""" start="00:01:36.520" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This pair Ro and Namkoon""" start="00:01:39.420" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually published a peer reviewed paper.""" start="00:01:41.460" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's prior art here""" start="00:01:43.740" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'd like to acknowledge.""" start="00:01:45.740" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Hardware""" start="00:01:47.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let me talk about my practices:""" start="00:01:47.820" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, the hardware.""" start="00:01:50.840" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the hardware that I'm using to""" start="00:01:51.520" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""record this recording at the very moment,""" start="00:01:55.340" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also I carry these""" start="00:01:59.740" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into every course meeting.""" start="00:02:01.260" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've done this for quite a while,""" start="00:02:05.060" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this entire semester,""" start="00:02:07.120" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and a few previous semesters""" start="00:02:09.620" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where everything fits in a backpack.""" start="00:02:11.440" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do every meeting with this tablet—""" start="00:02:14.240" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a Microsoft Surface that I put""" start="00:02:18.460" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Linux distribution on—and this laptop.""" start="00:02:20.840" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've got a bag full of""" start="00:02:26.600" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dongles and connectors and so forth.""" start="00:02:29.600" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It all fits in a backpack.""" start="00:02:34.080" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very mobile.""" start="00:02:35.340" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can set it up and tear it down""" start="00:02:36.260" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before and after every class""" start="00:02:38.180" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with just a couple minutes.""" start="00:02:39.700" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the laptop and the""" start="00:02:41.220" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tablet with a stylus.""" start="00:02:42.740" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Where's my stylus?""" start="00:02:45.020" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that I can draw...""" start="00:02:46.580" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""... which is very useful.""" start="00:02:51.500" video="mainVideo-uni" 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video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just into the slides, not into""" start="00:20:14.470" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the handouts with this macro.""" start="00:20:16.670" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:20:19.270" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I hope that you find this useful.""" start="00:20:19.270" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope you share it with""" start="00:20:21.490" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other educators that you know.""" start="00:20:22.450" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is the sourcehut repo,""" start="00:20:24.090" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here's how to get in touch with me.""" start="00:20:27.150" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I 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video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks everybody.""" start="00:20:51.330" video="mainVideo-uni" id="subtitle"]] + +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="uni-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You can hear us. Can you perhaps do it for""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me? Great. The little angels in the""" start="00:00:01.839" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background have done it for me.""" start="00:00:03.740" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now finally that everything is ready.""" start="00:00:05.240" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi James, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:07.759" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Good morning. Hello. Well,""" start="00:00:13.780" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you for your talk and sorry for the""" start="00:00:14.599" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little hiccup at the middle we had to pull""" start="00:00:16.320" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out a fire with the audio going out in the""" start="00:00:19.240" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""middle and sorry about this.""" start="00:00:20.900" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: It's no trouble.""" start="00:00:23.140" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So James, you've obviously told us about your""" start="00:00:25.240" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very fancy setup with the green screen and""" start="00:00:28.680" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sad to see that you haven't put out the""" start="00:00:30.220" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""green screen for your BBB session right now.""" start="00:00:32.840" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you have it in the background just for""" start="00:00:35.579" video="qanda-uni" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you? 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Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20uni%3A%20Authoring%20and%20presenting%20university%20courses%20with%20Emacs%20and%20a%20full%20libre%20software%20stack) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/uni-before.md b/2023/info/uni-before.md index 263d72d6..2f625597 100644 --- a/2023/info/uni-before.md +++ b/2023/info/uni-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,35 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference, IRC Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 21-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-uni"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-uni" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +01:12.440 Presenting +01:47.820 Hardware +04:46.610 Example setup +05:30.520 Presentation software: flexibility in function +07:05.950 Live demonstration +07:59.850 OBS +10:26.060 Animation +10:55.790 Emacs +11:42.260 Making slides and handouts with Org Mode +13:22.680 Pedagogy first +16:17.790 org-teach +19:38.330 Blank slides +19:50.050 Animations +20:19.270 Conclusion + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 20:53 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-uni">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=dfdd18fb34bc59b228ab37bc22b0e5ce3b96437b-1701525315024">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main.opus">Download --main.opus (12MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--main.webm">Download --main.webm (283MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--slides.pdf">Download --slides.pdf (26MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/mAnNW7jnPq5qhUPH2dzVQf">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklJ58i-HUY">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-uni"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-uni--authoring-and-presenting-university-courses-with-emacs-and-a-full-libre-software-stack--james-howell--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/uni-nav.md b/2023/info/uni-nav.md index d2c358b9..14adb722 100644 --- a/2023/info/uni-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/uni-nav.md @@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/adventure">An Org-Mode based text adventure game for learning the basics of Emacs, inside Emacs, written in Emacs Lisp</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/table">Who needs Excel? Managing your students qualifications with org-table</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/teaching">Teaching computer and data science with literate programming tools</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/voice-after.md b/2023/info/voice-after.md index f8bda391..136fafce 100644 --- a/2023/info/voice-after.md +++ b/2023/info/voice-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1435 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20voice%3A%20Improving%20access%20to%20AI-assisted%20literate%20programming%20with%20voice%20control) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="voice-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hi, I'm Blaine Mooers. I'm an associate professor""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of biochemistry at the University of Oklahoma""" start="00:00:04.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Health Sciences Center in Oklahoma City.""" start="00:00:06.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My lab studies the role of RNA structure in RNA editing.""" start="00:00:09.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We use X-ray crystallography to study the structures""" start="00:00:12.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of these RNAs. We spend a lot of time in the lab""" start="00:00:17.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""preparing our samples for structural studies,""" start="00:00:19.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we also spend a lot of time at the computer""" start="00:00:22.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""analyzing the resulting data.""" start="00:00:26.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was seeking ways of using voice computing""" start="00:00:29.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to try to enhance my productivity.""" start="00:00:33.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Three activities in voice computing""" start="00:00:37.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I divide voice computing into three activities,""" start="00:00:37.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speech-to-text or dictation, speech-to-commands,""" start="00:00:41.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and speech-to-code. I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:44.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speech-to-text and speech-to-commands today""" start="00:00:47.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because these are two activities""" start="00:00:50.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are probably most broadly applicable""" start="00:00:55.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the workflows of people attending this conference.""" start="00:00:57.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Talk is not about ... and about ...""" start="00:01:02.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This talk will not be about Emacspeak.""" start="00:01:02.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a venerated program for converting text to speech.""" start="00:01:06.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're talking about the flow of information""" start="00:01:11.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the opposite direction, speech-to-text.""" start="00:01:13.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need an Emacs Listens. We don't have one,""" start="00:01:16.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I had to seek help from outside the Emacs world""" start="00:01:20.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via the Voice In Plus. This runs in""" start="00:01:25.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Google Chrome web browser,""" start="00:01:30.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's very good for speech-to-text""" start="00:01:33.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very easy to learn how to use.""" start="00:01:36.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also has some speech-to-commands.""" start="00:01:39.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, Talon Voice is much better""" start="00:01:42.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the speech-to-commands,""" start="00:01:44.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it's also great at speech-to-code.""" start="00:01:47.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Motivations""" start="00:01:53.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The motivations are, obviously, as I mentioned already,""" start="00:01:53.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for improved productivity.""" start="00:01:57.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, if you're a fast typist""" start="00:01:59.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who types faster than they can speak,""" start="00:02:00.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then nonetheless you might still benefit""" start="00:02:05.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from voice computing when you grow tired of""" start="00:02:07.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the keyboard. On the other hand,""" start="00:02:09.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you might be a slow typist who talks faster""" start="00:02:12.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than they can type.""" start="00:02:15.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, you're definitely going to""" start="00:02:17.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""benefit from dictation because you'll be able to""" start="00:02:19.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""encode more words in text documents in a given day.""" start="00:02:22.860" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you're a coder, then you may get a kick out of""" start="00:02:29.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""opening programs and websites and coding projects""" start="00:02:33.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by using your voice.""" start="00:02:37.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there are health-related reasons.""" start="00:02:39.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You may have impaired use of your hands, eyes, or both""" start="00:02:41.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to accident or disease, or you may suffer from""" start="00:02:44.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a repetitive stress injury. Many of us have this""" start="00:02:49.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a mild but chronic form of it.""" start="00:02:53.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can't take a three-month sabbatical from the keyboard""" start="00:02:55.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without losing our jobs, so these injuries tend to persist.""" start="00:02:59.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you may have learned""" start="00:03:05.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it's not good for your health to sit""" start="00:03:06.680" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for prolonged periods of time""" start="00:03:09.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with your staring at a computer screen.""" start="00:03:11.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can actually dictate to your computer from 20 feet away""" start="00:03:14.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while looking out the window,""" start="00:03:21.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thereby giving your lower body a break""" start="00:03:25.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and your eyes a break.""" start="00:03:27.780" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Data""" start="00:03:33.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'm not God, so I have to bring data.""" start="00:03:33.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have two data points here,""" start="00:03:35.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the number of words that I wrote in June and July this year""" start="00:03:38.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and in September and October.""" start="00:03:42.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I adopted the use of voice computing""" start="00:03:45.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the middle of August. As you can see,""" start="00:03:49.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I got an over three-fold increase in my output.""" start="00:03:53.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Voice In in the Chrome Store""" start="00:03:58.680" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So this is the Chrome store website for voice-in.""" start="00:03:58.680" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's only available for Google Chrome.""" start="00:04:07.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just hit the install button to install it.""" start="00:04:11.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To configure it, you need to select a language.""" start="00:04:13.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has support for 40 languages""" start="00:04:16.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it supports about a dozen different dialects of English,""" start="00:04:19.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including Australian.""" start="00:04:23.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Works in web pages with text areas""" start="00:04:25.628" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""It works on web pages with text areas,""" start="00:04:25.628" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it works. I use it regularly""" start="00:04:29.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Overleaf and 750words.com,""" start="00:04:33.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a distraction-free environment for writing.""" start="00:04:37.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also works in webmails. It works in Google.""" start="00:04:42.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works in Jupyter Lab, of course,""" start="00:04:46.780" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that runs in the browser.""" start="00:04:51.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also works in Jupyter Notebook and Colab Notebook.""" start="00:04:52.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should work in Cloudmacs.""" start="00:04:58.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've mapped option-L to opening Voice In""" start="00:05:01.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the cursor is on a web page that has a text area.""" start="00:05:04.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So [the presence of a text area is] the main limiting factor.""" start="00:05:09.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Built-in commands in Voice In Plus""" start="00:05:16.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Voice In] has a number of built-in commands.""" start="00:05:16.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can turn it off by saying "stop dictation".""" start="00:05:19.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It doesn't distinguish between""" start="00:05:24.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a command mode and a dictation mode.""" start="00:05:26.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has undo command. You use the command""" start="00:05:28.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""copy that" to copy a selection.""" start="00:05:33.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The "press" commands are used in the browser.""" start="00:05:36.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You [say] "press enter" to issue a command or [submit] text""" start="00:05:40.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that has been written in a web form,""" start="00:05:44.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then "press tab" will open up the next tab""" start="00:05:50.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a web browser. The scroll up and down""" start="00:05:55.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will allow you to navigate a web page.""" start="00:05:58.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've put together a quiz about these commands""" start="00:06:02.380" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that you can go through this quiz several times""" start="00:06:05.820" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""until you get at least 90 percent of them correct,""" start="00:06:09.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""90 percent of the questions correct.""" start="00:06:14.700" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In order to boost your recall of the commands,""" start="00:06:16.680" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a Python script that you can probably""" start="00:06:20.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pound through the quiz with""" start="00:06:23.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in less than a minute, once you know the commands.""" start="00:06:26.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also provide an Elisp version of this quiz,""" start="00:06:32.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's a little slower to operate.""" start="00:06:35.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Common errors made by Voice In""" start="00:06:41.740" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""These are some common errors""" start="00:06:41.740" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I've run into with Voice In.""" start="00:06:43.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It likes to contract statements like "I will" into "I'll".""" start="00:06:45.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Contractions are not used in formal writing,""" start="00:06:50.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and most of my writing is formal writing, so this annoys me.""" start="00:06:55.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will show you how I corrected for that problem.""" start="00:07:00.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also drops the first word in sentences quite often.""" start="00:07:04.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This might be some speech issue that I have.""" start="00:07:10.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It inserts the wrong word because it's not in the dictionary""" start="00:07:13.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was used to train it. So, for example,""" start="00:07:17.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the word PyMOL is the name of a molecular graphics program""" start="00:07:22.620" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we use in our field. It doesn't recognize PyMOL.""" start="00:07:26.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Instead, it substitutes in the word "primal".""" start="00:07:31.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Since I don't use "primal" very often,""" start="00:07:34.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've mapped the word "primal" to "PyMOL"""" start="00:07:38.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in some custom commands I'll talk about in a minute.""" start="00:07:42.300" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there's a problem that the commands that exist""" start="00:07:45.660" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might get executed when you speak them when, in fact,""" start="00:07:50.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you wanted to use the words in those commands""" start="00:07:54.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during your dictation.""" start="00:07:58.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a problem, a pitfall of Voice In,""" start="00:08:01.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that it doesn't have a command mode""" start="00:08:07.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's separate from a dictation mode.""" start="00:08:08.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Custom speech-to-text commands""" start="00:08:14.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""You can set up through a very easy-to-use GUI""" start="00:08:14.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""custom voice commands mapped to what you want inserted,""" start="00:08:20.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is how misinterpreted words can be corrected.""" start="00:08:26.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just map the misinterpreted word to the intended word.""" start="00:08:32.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also map the contractions to their expansions.""" start="00:08:35.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did this for 94 English contractions,""" start="00:08:42.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can find these on GitHub.""" start="00:08:46.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also insert acronyms and expand those acronyms.""" start="00:08:50.140" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I apply the same approach to the first names of colleagues.""" start="00:08:56.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I say "expand Fred", for example,""" start="00:09:00.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get Fred's first and last name""" start="00:09:03.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the [correct] spelling of his very long German name.""" start="00:09:07.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also insert other trivia like favorite URLs.""" start="00:09:12.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can insert LaTeX snippets.""" start="00:09:19.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It handles correctly multi-line snippets.""" start="00:09:24.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just have to enclose them in double quotes.""" start="00:09:34.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can even insert BibTeX cite keys for references""" start="00:09:39.420" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you use frequently. All fields""" start="00:09:45.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have certain key references for certain methods or topics.""" start="00:09:46.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Custom speech-to-commands""" start="00:09:59.420" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Then it has a set of commands that you can customize""" start="00:09:59.420" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the purpose of speech-to-commands""" start="00:10:05.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the computer to do something""" start="00:10:08.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like open up a specific website or save the current writing.""" start="00:10:09.680" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, we have "press: command-s"""" start="00:10:15.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for saving current writing.""" start="00:10:23.541" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can change the language [with "lang:"],""" start="00:10:27.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can change the case of the text [with "case:"].""" start="00:10:28.100" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introducing Talon Voice""" start="00:10:37.540" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But the speech-to-command repertoire is quite limited""" start="00:10:37.540" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Voice In, so it's now time to pick up on Talon Voice.""" start="00:10:41.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is an open source project. It's free.""" start="00:10:49.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is highly configurable via TalonScript,""" start="00:10:54.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a subset of Python.""" start="00:10:57.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use either TalonScript or Python to configure it,""" start="00:10:58.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's easier to code up your configuration""" start="00:11:03.040" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in TalonScript.""" start="00:11:06.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a Python interpreter embedded in it,""" start="00:11:08.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you don't have to mess around with installing""" start="00:11:10.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yet another Python interpreter.""" start="00:11:13.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It runs on all platforms, and it has a dictation mode""" start="00:11:14.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's separate from a command mode.""" start="00:11:21.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can activate it,""" start="00:11:24.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it'll be in a listening state asleep.""" start="00:11:25.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just bark out "Talon Wake" to start to wake it up,""" start="00:11:31.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and "Talon Sleep" to have it go into a listening state.""" start="00:11:36.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has a very welcoming community""" start="00:11:43.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Talon Slack channel.""" start="00:11:47.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I need to point out that there's several packages""" start="00:11:50.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that others have developed that run on top of Talon,""" start="00:11:56.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but one of particular note is by Pokey Rule.""" start="00:11:59.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He has on his website some really well-done videos""" start="00:12:03.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that demonstrate how he uses Cursorless""" start="00:12:08.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to move the cursor around using voice commands.""" start="00:12:11.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This, however, runs on VS Code.""" start="00:12:17.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At least that's the text editor""" start="00:12:20.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for which he's primarily developing Cursorless.""" start="00:12:23.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Talon GUI""" start="00:12:28.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I followed the [install] protocol outlined by Tara Roys.""" start="00:12:28.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""She has a collection of tutorials""" start="00:12:35.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on YouTube as well as on GitHub that are quite helpful.""" start="00:12:38.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I followed her tutorial for installing""" start="00:12:44.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Talon on macOS without any issues,""" start="00:12:49.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but allow for half an hour to an hour""" start="00:12:51.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to go through the process. When you're done,""" start="00:12:55.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you'll have this Talon icon appear in the toolbar""" start="00:12:57.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Mac. When it has this diagonal line across it,""" start="00:13:02.200" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that means it's in the sleep state.""" start="00:13:06.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this leads to cascading pull-down menus.""" start="00:13:09.540" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is it for the GUI.""" start="00:13:13.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of your first tasks is to select""" start="00:13:19.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a language model that will be used to interpret""" start="00:13:26.520" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the sounds that you generate as words.""" start="00:13:30.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the other kind of key feature is that there's a,""" start="00:13:35.180" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under scripting, there's a view log pull-down""" start="00:13:38.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that opens up a window displaying the log file.""" start="00:13:43.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whenever you make a change in a Talon configuration file,""" start="00:13:48.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that change is implemented immediately.""" start="00:13:52.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You do not have to restart Talon""" start="00:13:55.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get the change to take effect.""" start="00:13:57.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Talon file with web scope""" start="00:14:02.540" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This is an example of a Talon file.""" start="00:14:02.540" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has two components. It has a header above the dash that describes""" start="00:14:04.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the scope of the commands contained below the dash.""" start="00:14:10.500" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Each command is separated by a blank line.""" start="00:14:14.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If a voice command is mapped to multiple actions,""" start="00:14:19.740" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are listed separately on indented lines""" start="00:14:24.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""below the first line.""" start="00:14:31.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The words that are in square brackets are optional.""" start="00:14:33.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I have mapped the word toggle voice in,""" start="00:14:39.420" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or the phrase toggle voice in,""" start="00:14:44.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the keyboard shortcut Alt L""" start="00:14:46.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in order to toggle on or off voice in.""" start="00:14:51.280" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I toggle voice in on,""" start="00:14:55.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to immediately toggle off Talon,""" start="00:14:57.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and this is done through this key command for Control T,""" start="00:15:01.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is mapped to speech toggle.""" start="00:15:09.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Speech toggle. Then there are,""" start="00:15:11.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a couple other examples.""" start="00:15:20.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, if there's no header present,""" start="00:15:24.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's an optional feature of Talon files,""" start="00:15:26.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then the commands in the file will apply in all situations,""" start="00:15:29.600" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in all modes.""" start="00:15:32.640" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Terminals on remote and virtual machines""" start="00:15:34.015" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Here we have two restrictions.""" start="00:15:34.015" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These commands will only work""" start="00:15:36.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when using the iTerm2 [ccc] terminal emulator for the Mac,""" start="00:15:38.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then only when the title of the window in iTerm2""" start="00:15:42.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has this particular address,""" start="00:15:48.240" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what appears when I've logged into""" start="00:15:52.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the supercomputer at the University of Oklahoma.""" start="00:15:55.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the commands in this file is checkjobs.""" start="00:16:00.060" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's mapped to an alias,""" start="00:16:03.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bash alias called cj for "check jobs",""" start="00:16:05.540" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in turn is mapped to a script called checkjobs.sh""" start="00:16:10.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, when it's run, returns a listing""" start="00:16:17.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the pending and running jobs on the supercomputer""" start="00:16:20.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a format that I find pleasing.""" start="00:16:23.220" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This `\n` after cj, the new line character,""" start="00:16:26.081" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enters the command, so I don't have to do that""" start="00:16:34.560" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an additional step. Likewise,""" start="00:16:39.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here's a similar setup for interacting with""" start="00:16:43.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Ubuntu virtual machine.""" start="00:16:46.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Recommendations""" start="00:16:52.500" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""In terms of picking up voice computing,""" start="00:16:52.500" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are my recommendations.""" start="00:16:55.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're going to run into more errors""" start="00:16:57.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than you may like initially,""" start="00:16:59.760" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so you need some patience in dealing with those.""" start="00:17:01.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, it'll take you a while""" start="00:17:07.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get your head wrapped around Talon and how it works.""" start="00:17:09.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll definitely want to use these custom commands""" start="00:17:16.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to correct the errors or shortcomings""" start="00:17:19.440" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the language models. And you've seen how,""" start="00:17:21.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by opening up projects by voice commands,""" start="00:17:26.920" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can reduce friction""" start="00:17:29.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of restarting work on a project.""" start="00:17:31.360" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You've seen how Voice In is preferred""" start="00:17:36.660" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for more accurate dictation.""" start="00:17:40.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think my error rate is about 1 to 2 percent.""" start="00:17:44.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, 1 to 2 out of 100 words are incorrect""" start="00:17:48.080" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""versus Talon Voice where I think""" start="00:17:53.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the error rate is closer to 5 percent.""" start="00:17:56.320" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have put together [a library of English] contractions""" start="00:18:00.840" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[and their expansion] for Talon [too],""" start="00:18:03.508" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they can be found here on GitHub.""" start="00:18:04.881" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also have [posted] a quiz of 600 questions""" start="00:18:07.480" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about some basic Talon commands.""" start="00:18:12.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Acknowledgements""" start="00:18:17.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'd like to thank the people who've helped me out""" start="00:18:17.720" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Talon Slack channel""" start="00:18:21.000" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and members of the Oklahoma Data Science Workshop""" start="00:18:22.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I gave an hour-long talk on this topic""" start="00:18:25.800" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""several weeks ago.""" start="00:18:29.880" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd like to thank my friends""" start="00:18:30.960" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the Berlin and Austin Emacs Meetup""" start="00:18:34.160" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and at the M-x research Slack channel.""" start="00:18:37.400" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I thank these grant funding agencies""" start="00:18:42.660" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for supporting my work. I'll be happy to take any questions.""" start="00:18:45.120" video="mainVideo-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="voice-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Dictation.""" start="00:00:00.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right. All right I think we are live now.""" start="00:00:06.020" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The stream is here. So folks if you would""" start="00:00:08.980" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please post your questions on the pad and""" start="00:00:11.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll take them up here.""" start="00:00:13.259" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Boy so I don't have myself set up with the""" start="00:00:20.500" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, I can read the questions to you if you""" start="00:00:25.140" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: pad. That would be fantastic.""" start="00:00:26.939" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:00:27.900" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: would prefer that. Sure.""" start="00:00:28.779" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks.""" start="00:00:29.220" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well, for the purpose of breaking the ice a""" start="00:00:58.380" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little bit, I can provide a live""" start="00:01:01.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""demonstration of the use of this Voice In""" start="00:01:03.840" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plugin for Google Chrome.""" start="00:01:06.300" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I have, let's see, say new sentence.""" start="00:01:11.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm on a website that is called 750 words.""" start="00:01:20.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It provides a text area where without any""" start="00:01:25.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other distracting icons for the purpose of""" start="00:01:30.580" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""writing and I'm using it for the purpose of""" start="00:01:34.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""capturing my words that I'm dictating and I""" start="00:01:38.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have enabled the Voice In plugin by hitting""" start="00:01:42.979" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the option L command. New sentence.""" start="00:01:48.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it interpreted that command new sentence""" start="00:01:54.479" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though I didn't pronounce it correctly,""" start="00:01:56.260" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a pretty good demonstration of its""" start="00:01:59.440" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""accuracy. New sentence.""" start="00:02:00.920" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops, that didn't work.""" start="00:02:06.420" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Undo. New sentence. So new sentence is a""" start="00:02:15.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""combination of 2 commands,""" start="00:02:16.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""period and new line. So I've found it more""" start="00:02:23.820" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""convenient just to say new sentence than""" start="00:02:25.840" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""having to say period and new line.""" start="00:02:28.440" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see that it's able to keep up with""" start="00:02:33.900" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of my speech, and it has to interpret""" start="00:02:41.840" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the sounds that I'm making and convert those""" start="00:02:44.760" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into words, so there's always going to be a""" start="00:02:47.600" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lag. New sentence. But I've found that I can""" start="00:02:59.580" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generate about 2,000, up to 2,000""" start="00:03:02.720" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""words an hour as I gather my thoughts and""" start="00:03:07.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk in my rather slow fashion of speaking.""" start="00:03:10.960" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""New sentence, if you're a really fast""" start="00:03:15.860" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speaker, it might have trouble keeping up.""" start="00:03:18.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""New sentence. I like to write When I'm using""" start="00:03:30.860" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the keyboard with 1 sentence per line,""" start="00:03:34.360" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that when I copy my text and paste it into""" start="00:03:38.520" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, for example, I can resort the""" start="00:03:43.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sentences very easily by just selecting 1""" start="00:03:47.300" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""line at a time. I like to keep the sentences""" start="00:03:50.600" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unwrapped in that fashion because that""" start="00:03:53.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""greatly eases the rewriting phase.""" start="00:03:56.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm almost have sort of a hybrid reverse""" start="00:04:01.120" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""outlining approach by doing that.""" start="00:04:03.160" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""New sentence. Looks like I have gotten ahead""" start="00:04:14.340" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of it a bit and it has not kept up.""" start="00:04:18.079" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But generally, it does keep up pretty well.""" start="00:04:21.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Nice. Thanks for the demo.""" start="00:04:26.180" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. I think we have.""" start="00:04:30.380" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, sorry.""" start="00:04:31.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You're welcome. Go ahead.""" start="00:04:33.520" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see that it has this EN means English""" start="00:04:42.380" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then dash US. 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Let's see, I think we have some""" start="00:05:05.200" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comments and questions trickling in.""" start="00:05:06.860" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So someone is saying that there is a text to""" start="00:05:11.160" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""command application or utility called Clipia,""" start="00:05:14.700" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""C-L-I-P-I-A, that they think is awesome.""" start="00:05:19.395" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Clipia that they think is awesome.""" start="00:05:19.860" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And someone else is also saying that Sox,""" start="00:05:24.960" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""S-O-X is another good alternative.""" start="00:05:27.180" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I've not explored those yet.""" start="00:05:34.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you very much for the suggestions.""" start="00:05:36.740" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So I'll... 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So this allows you to actually separate""" start="00:09:31.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those 2 activities, not only by time.""" start="00:09:33.640" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So many professional writers will spend""" start="00:09:36.840" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""several hours in the morning doing the""" start="00:09:39.000" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generative part and then they'll spend the""" start="00:09:41.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rest of the day rewriting.""" start="00:09:41.920" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So they have separated those 2 activities""" start="00:09:46.000" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""temporally. 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And so that's related.""" start="00:11:03.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course you have this problem of lag so""" start="00:11:10.260" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find that it's a whisper is good for""" start="00:11:12.800" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""spitting out a sentence you know maybe for a""" start="00:11:16.380" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doc string in a programming file.""" start="00:11:20.160" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I find that it's very prone to""" start="00:11:26.060" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hallucinations. 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Thank you. I think we have at least""" start="00:12:25.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another 2 or 3 minutes.""" start="00:12:26.580" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if folks have any other questions Please""" start="00:12:29.100" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to post them on the pad and I'll""" start="00:12:31.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""check IRC now as well.""" start="00:12:32.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, so I see 1 question on IRC asking,""" start="00:12:44.340" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are any of these voice command slash""" start="00:12:47.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dictating dictation tools free Libre""" start="00:12:49.600" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software? They cannot find that information""" start="00:12:52.260" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which I think is part of it.""" start="00:12:54.840" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You just mentioned""" start="00:12:55.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: the voice in software.""" start="00:12:57.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's It's a freemium so The answer is no""" start="00:13:03.260" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To be able to add the commands,""" start="00:13:05.640" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the custom commands, you have to pay $48 a""" start="00:13:09.000" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""year. The Talon Voice software is free.""" start="00:13:12.040" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the only limitation there is access to""" start="00:13:20.080" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the language model. If you want to get the""" start="00:13:23.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beta version, you need to subscribe to""" start="00:13:26.720" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Patreon to help support the developer.""" start="00:13:30.820" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I found, I did do that and I really""" start="00:13:36.180" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""didn't find much of an improvement.""" start="00:13:37.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I really don't intend to do that in the""" start="00:13:43.620" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""future. 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Most definitely.""" start="00:58:00.260" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: So as an example, when I was doing the daily""" start="00:58:08.200" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""logs and I put it all in the date and then""" start="00:58:14.760" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the priority, secondary,""" start="00:58:15.700" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unplanned tasks, and then I had it stay at""" start="00:58:21.980" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, get auto expanded by that level by""" start="00:58:24.940" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""default so I didn't see the individual task""" start="00:58:27.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you and then I had a but And then it""" start="00:58:30.720" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would say like I complete 205 or something""" start="00:58:33.120" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like that of secondary tasks.""" start="00:58:34.440" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then just being able just to quickly scan""" start="00:58:38.000" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the days and say, oh,""" start="00:58:39.740" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it just, the feedback you get from that is""" start="00:58:42.960" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worth a lot. 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I'll email you my org mode template""" start="01:01:15.300" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I made that demonstrates that.""" start="01:01:17.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if you, do you have your email""" start="01:01:22.200" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your talk notes or anything?""" start="01:01:24.520" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. I think I should have it on the first""" start="01:01:29.380" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slide. There should be my email address.""" start="01:01:31.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can add it to my talk notes.""" start="01:01:40.560" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Okay. 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That's the right button.""" start="01:02:59.243" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you not share the screen on this?""" start="01:03:04.640" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I have something going here.""" start="01:03:08.860" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. 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The way the how the function.""" start="01:04:54.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reasons to use emacs is to use the keyboard""" start="01:05:03.320" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is. It's not to speed you up.""" start="01:05:08.240" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, yeah, that's nice.""" start="01:05:09.520" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it keeps you in the stream,""" start="01:05:12.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keeps you in the flow state and which then""" start="01:05:25.400" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just makes you think better and yeah and the""" start="01:05:32.780" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing with that is you I have you I have no""" start="01:05:35.540" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""idea what the limits of that would be.""" start="01:05:37.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because you think, because yes,""" start="01:05:39.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not about beating up how many words you""" start="01:05:42.740" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say a minute. I mean that's nice and all,""" start="01:05:44.860" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But when you start doing that,""" start="01:05:46.680" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you start removing all these friction""" start="01:05:48.340" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""points, all of a sudden the number,""" start="01:05:52.500" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quality, and types of thoughts you get start""" start="01:05:57.800" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: That's right.""" start="01:06:01.620" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: increasing. Which is the goal.""" start="01:06:03.480" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. Well, thank you very much.""" start="01:06:14.960" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enjoy the rest of the meeting.""" start="01:06:17.760" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Will do.""" start="01:06:19.280" video="qanda-voice" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20voice%3A%20Enhancing%20productivity%20with%20voice%20computing) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/voice-before.md b/2023/info/voice-before.md index 376dee32..9ec5c829 100644 --- a/2023/info/voice-before.md +++ b/2023/info/voice-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,37 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 20-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 19-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: TO_INDEX_QA +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-voice"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-voice" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:37.400 Three activities in voice computing +01:02.560 Talk is not about ... and about ... +01:53.520 Motivations +03:33.240 Data +03:58.680 Voice In in the Chrome Store +04:25.628 Works in web pages with text areas +05:16.880 Built-in commands in Voice In Plus +06:41.740 Common errors made by Voice In +08:14.760 Custom speech-to-text commands +09:59.420 Custom speech-to-commands +10:37.540 Introducing Talon Voice +12:28.400 Talon GUI +14:02.540 Talon file with web scope +15:34.015 Terminals on remote and virtual machines +16:52.500 Recommendations +18:17.720 Acknowledgements + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 18:49 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-voice">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=8ddd81ef601d78f7b9ac2093f3700a29b5595ff3-1701529315435">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.opus">Download --main.opus (9MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--main.webm">Download --main.webm (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/vYHj7iSYhUbTxDv93NvzzY">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7l1ImjXOWM">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-voice"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-voice--enhancing-productivity-with-voice-computing--blaine-mooers--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/voice-nav.md b/2023/info/voice-nav.md index 9fedf97e..ff560e36 100644 --- a/2023/info/voice-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/voice-nav.md @@ -3,5 +3,5 @@ Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/matplotllm">MatplotLLM, iterative natural language data visualization in org-babel</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/llm">LLM clients in Emacs, functionality and standardization</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/web-after.md b/2023/info/web-after.md index b1b99127..0e6730c2 100644 --- a/2023/info/web-after.md +++ b/2023/info/web-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,824 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [id@ypei.org](mailto:id@ypei.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20web%3A%20Emacs%20saves%20the%20Web) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="web-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Overview""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, I am Yuchen, and I will be talking about""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how Emacs may be used to save user freedom on the web.""" start="00:00:03.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will begin by describing the background issues,""" start="00:00:06.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""followed by solutions outside of Emacs.""" start="00:00:09.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will move into the main business of describing""" start="00:00:12.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""several ways to address the issues using Emacs,""" start="00:00:14.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including free clients in Emacs, web browsers,""" start="00:00:17.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also known as universal clients in Emacs,""" start="00:00:20.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""approaches using Emacs web server and Emacs web framework,""" start="00:00:23.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which allows one to write an Emacs package""" start="00:00:27.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get a web app for free,""" start="00:00:29.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well as using Emacs as a Firefox extension.""" start="00:00:30.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Background problems""" start="00:00:35.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""OK, let's now move on to""" start="00:00:35.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the background issues for this topic.""" start="00:00:37.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Many of you probably already know what is free software.""" start="00:00:39.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is software that respects four user freedoms,""" start="00:00:42.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including freedom 0, which is the freedom to use,""" start="00:00:45.481" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""freedom 1 is the freedom to study and modify a program,""" start="00:00:49.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""freedom 2 is the freedom to""" start="00:00:52.279" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""distribute exact copies of a program,""" start="00:00:54.488" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and freedom 3 is the freedom to distribute modified copies.""" start="00:00:57.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Different environments have different norms""" start="00:01:01.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with regards to user freedom.""" start="00:01:04.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, GNU/Linux distributions""" start="00:01:06.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""default to free software,""" start="00:01:11.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though the official kernel Linux""" start="00:01:13.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contains non-free code, like non-free firmware.""" start="00:01:15.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean is, people generally expect free software""" start="00:01:18.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in these environments.""" start="00:01:23.060" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's plenty of free software""" start="00:01:25.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built on other free software,""" start="00:01:27.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so generally people can accomplish tasks""" start="00:01:29.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using free software only.""" start="00:01:31.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, by comparison, is even better.""" start="00:01:33.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has freedom built-in, as it is highly customizable""" start="00:01:37.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with self-documenting configurations.""" start="00:01:41.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When a Lisp form is evaluated by the user in Emacs,""" start="00:01:44.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the change is instantly reflected in the environment.""" start="00:01:49.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thus, it converts users to hackers effortlessly.""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""From writing setq statements,""" start="00:01:56.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is similar to configurations""" start="00:01:58.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the majority of other programs,""" start="00:02:00.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to writing functions,""" start="00:02:01.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which are building blocks of Elisp features,""" start="00:02:03.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to writing features and publishing packages,""" start="00:02:05.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is a natural progression.""" start="00:02:08.140" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this sense, Emacs perhaps has""" start="00:02:10.099" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most gentle learning curve for hackers.""" start="00:02:15.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, the default license""" start="00:02:18.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Emacs community""" start="00:02:21.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is GNU General Public License version 3 or later,""" start="00:02:22.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the best free software license""" start="00:02:26.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""apart from the Affero license.""" start="00:02:29.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's move on to web browsers,""" start="00:02:32.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which by contrast does not default to freedom.""" start="00:02:35.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For one thing, free software JavaScript projects""" start="00:02:39.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""default to Expat license,""" start="00:02:42.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is also commonly known as the MIT license,""" start="00:02:45.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a lax permissive license that could be exploited""" start="00:02:49.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as developers could write non-free derivatives""" start="00:02:53.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and subjugate user freedom.""" start="00:02:55.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This also contributes to the JavaScript trap.""" start="00:02:59.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Most popular web browsers nowadays simply download and run""" start="00:03:03.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any JavaScript code requested by the web page.""" start="00:03:06.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Generally speaking, there are two camps on this issue.""" start="00:03:10.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One side would say JavaScript is simply part of life,""" start="00:03:15.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and an integral part of the so-called modern web.""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just accept it, and there is no point in fighting it.""" start="00:03:22.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Indeed, it can be frustrating when greeted by""" start="00:03:25.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""This page requires JavaScript and cookies to continue,"""" start="00:03:28.388" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even a blank page when opening a web page""" start="00:03:31.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""while disabling JavaScript.""" start="00:03:34.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The other camp takes a more principled position""" start="00:03:38.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and says JavaScript is unnecessary.""" start="00:03:42.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, people use the web mainly for""" start="00:03:44.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""database-like operations""" start="00:03:47.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to interact with data stored on other people's computers,""" start="00:03:48.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like querying, creating, updating, deleting.""" start="00:03:51.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, 99% of the things happen in getting data,""" start="00:03:55.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including reading news, watching videos,""" start="00:03:58.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""downloading images, etc.,""" start="00:04:01.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and posting data, including publishing""" start="00:04:03.340" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this sort of materials, publishing news comments, videos.""" start="00:04:06.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why does this need any programs""" start="00:04:10.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do funny computations, right?""" start="00:04:12.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Modern web browsers are also a pain to use.""" start="00:04:16.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are the opposite to Emacs""" start="00:04:19.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of customization capabilities.""" start="00:04:21.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Such problems on the client side""" start="00:04:26.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the main focus of this talk.""" start="00:04:29.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the server side, the issue is known as SaaSS,""" start="00:04:31.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""service as a software substitute.""" start="00:04:34.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is about doing computing for users""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on other people's computers,""" start="00:04:42.421" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which the user has no visibility, let alone control.""" start="00:04:44.541" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Examples include translation or photo editing""" start="00:04:48.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in so-called web applications.""" start="00:04:51.941" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another example would be web applications""" start="00:04:55.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make recommendations based on user data""" start="00:04:59.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and suggest what the users read or watch next.""" start="00:05:02.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the one hand, SaaSS is an intractable problem""" start="00:05:05.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because free software is all about user freedom""" start="00:05:09.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on one's own computer,""" start="00:05:11.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not someone else's computer.""" start="00:05:13.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, this is also a lesser problem""" start="00:05:16.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it has trivial solutions,""" start="00:05:18.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is self-hosting and keeping computations local.""" start="00:05:21.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Wouldn't it be nice to use a photo editing web application,""" start="00:05:25.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but without the web?""" start="00:05:28.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Solutions outside of Emacs""" start="00:05:31.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Right, now let's move on to solutions outside of Emacs""" start="00:05:31.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that tackle these problems.""" start="00:05:36.401" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are generally two ways to fix this issue.""" start="00:05:39.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is blocking non-free JavaScript,""" start="00:05:42.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the other is substituting with free programs.""" start="00:05:45.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with blocking.""" start="00:05:48.980" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LibreJS, for example, is a Firefox extension""" start="00:05:50.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocking non-free, non-trivial JavaScript.""" start="00:05:54.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It works by intercepting, filtering""" start="00:05:56.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all requests for JavaScript,""" start="00:05:59.821" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recognizing the ones that are trivial or free,""" start="00:06:01.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and blocking the execution of the others.""" start="00:06:05.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As an experiment, I logged the LibreJS output""" start="00:06:11.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for about two weeks,""" start="00:06:13.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and during which, of all the web pages I loaded,""" start="00:06:15.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""23 domains have at least some LibreJS-compliant scripts.""" start="00:06:19.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is not much, though I did use other means""" start="00:06:25.001" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reduce the scenarios""" start="00:06:28.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I need to load web pages with JavaScript in Firefox,""" start="00:06:30.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like using a text browser like Lynx.""" start="00:06:35.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then there's also NoScript, which is like LibreJS,""" start="00:06:40.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it blocks all scripts, whether free or non-free, +trivial or non-trivial.""" start="00:06:44.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the problem with blocking is that""" start="00:06:49.500" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocking with certain scripts and accepting others,""" start="00:06:54.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are like... I can think of two problems.""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is that it does not help with Freedom 1,""" start="00:07:00.679" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the freedom to allow users to modify a program""" start="00:07:02.879" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use it in place of the original program.""" start="00:07:07.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also it does not help""" start="00:07:13.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when the non-free JavaScript is mandatory""" start="00:07:15.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the functioning of the web page.""" start="00:07:18.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, some pages are blank""" start="00:07:20.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when non-free JavaScript is not executed.""" start="00:07:22.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So now let's move on to the substitution, the other method.""" start="00:07:27.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with userscript.""" start="00:07:36.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a script, it is a user-specified JavaScript""" start="00:07:38.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""injected to a web page.""" start="00:07:41.761" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A typical example of userscript tool is GreaseMonkey.""" start="00:07:43.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another idea is a proxy that replaces scripts in place,""" start="00:07:48.481" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is, sending user-specified scripts""" start="00:07:53.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a response to requests for such scripts.""" start="00:07:55.919" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one example would be Haketilo, however you pronounce it.""" start="00:08:00.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a tool that's built on top of mitmproxy.""" start="00:08:04.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is supposed to do this.""" start="00:08:09.620" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't used GreaseMonkey nor Haketilo""" start="00:08:11.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for these purposes yet,""" start="00:08:14.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I can't say much about these options.""" start="00:08:16.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So then there are also free clients""" start="00:08:20.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which replace the whole frontend,""" start="00:08:24.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of a script requested by web pages""" start="00:08:26.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the official web clients.""" start="00:08:30.661" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People often refer to them as alternative frontend.""" start="00:08:32.500" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""YouTube is perhaps the best example""" start="00:08:37.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as there are so many free clients,""" start="00:08:39.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including Invidious for the web,""" start="00:08:41.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""youtube-dl and yt-dlp on the command line,""" start="00:08:43.622" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MPV and VLC as GUI desktop, LibreTube""" start="00:08:46.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and NewPipe for Android and so on.""" start="00:08:50.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Youtube-dl and yt-dlp are especially versatile""" start="00:08:53.260" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as they work with many video and audio sites""" start="00:08:56.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with extractors written in Python,""" start="00:08:59.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so people can add extractors like extensions.""" start="00:09:02.620" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A similar tool would be woob,""" start="00:09:06.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""short for web outside of the browsers.""" start="00:09:09.422" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a command-line and GUI program""" start="00:09:12.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that interacts with many web services, even banks.""" start="00:09:16.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there are browser extensions""" start="00:09:23.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that automatically redirect to these clients.""" start="00:09:25.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Redirector and Libredirect""" start="00:09:28.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""redirect to the free web clients.""" start="00:09:31.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One could use OpenWith, another extension,""" start="00:09:35.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to redirect to free non-web clients,""" start="00:09:39.700" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example by opening YouTube links with MPV.""" start="00:09:42.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Emacs solutions""" start="00:09:46.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now let us move to Emacs-based solutions.""" start="00:09:46.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are based on the same ideas but using Emacs.""" start="00:09:51.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Free clients in Emacs""" start="00:09:54.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First, free clients in Emacs.""" start="00:09:54.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically alternative frontends written in Elisp.""" start="00:09:57.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are several advantages.""" start="00:10:00.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, integration with other Emacs tools,""" start="00:10:03.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good for archiving, making use of Emacs libraries,""" start="00:10:06.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extensibility, thanks to Emacs' own""" start="00:10:09.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""extensibility and customizability.""" start="00:10:12.489" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Examples include mastodon.el for mastodon,""" start="00:10:15.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or mastorg for viewing and archiving toots with org,""" start="00:10:18.620" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sx for Stack Exchange, buildbot.el for buildbot, etc.""" start="00:10:22.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's an example of mastorg displaying""" start="00:10:28.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hierarchy of a toot in org.""" start="00:10:31.901" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just wait. Right.""" start="00:10:34.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the toot itself, this is a first reply,""" start="00:10:39.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a reply to the reply, and so on.""" start="00:10:44.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here is an example of""" start="00:10:48.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""opening a Stack Exchange link using sx.""" start="00:10:53.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check out the tag.""" start="00:11:05.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we can browse the Stack Exchange Emacs site +with ease.""" start="00:11:11.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The idea is quite simple.""" start="00:11:28.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just use APIs to get data and display it in Emacs,""" start="00:11:31.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or just to scrape, like requesting HTML and processing it.""" start="00:11:35.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""An example of scraping is hnreader,""" start="00:11:40.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which scrapes Hacker News web pages""" start="00:11:44.180" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and renders them in Org buffers.""" start="00:11:47.299" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's how hnreader fetches""" start="00:11:49.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and displays the Hacker News front page.""" start="00:11:52.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And one could go into the comments,""" start="00:11:58.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows a similar hierarchy to mastorg's output.""" start="00:12:04.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, there are limitations for this method,""" start="00:12:14.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not limited to Emacs.""" start="00:12:19.001" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are basically limitations""" start="00:12:22.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any ad hoc bespoke clients,""" start="00:12:24.522" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is catch-up games with remote server,""" start="00:12:28.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which may change the API interface endpoints""" start="00:12:31.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even structure of the responses.""" start="00:12:34.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This brings us to web browsers in Emacs.""" start="00:12:37.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Web browsers in Emacs""" start="00:12:43.021" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Web browsers are universal clients""" start="00:12:43.021" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because all sites support browsers.""" start="00:12:45.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in a world of no JavaScript,""" start="00:12:47.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there will be no need to write bespoke clients.""" start="00:12:48.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In such a world,""" start="00:12:52.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""instead of using JavaScript code to fetch JSON,""" start="00:12:53.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""web developers make server do the heavy lifting""" start="00:12:56.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just send the complete HTML over.""" start="00:13:00.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, back to reality.""" start="00:13:02.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EWW, the default Emacs browser,""" start="00:13:05.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is what people refer to as a text browser,""" start="00:13:07.660" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even though it is not text only and it supports images too.""" start="00:13:11.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a good solid browser that supports forms, etc.""" start="00:13:16.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The downside is that it does not support CSS,""" start="00:13:20.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the formatting could be a bit ugly sometimes.""" start="00:13:24.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are some other browsers in Emacs too,""" start="00:13:28.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like emacs-w3m, which is backed by w3m,""" start="00:13:30.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Luwak, which is backed by Lynx.""" start="00:13:34.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry for the naming, by the way.""" start="00:13:36.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They often consist of a backend""" start="00:13:39.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that fetches URL and parses HTML.""" start="00:13:41.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the built-in URL package""" start="00:13:44.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the libxml2 binding in Emacs are decent enough.""" start="00:13:47.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the frontend that renders the HTML,""" start="00:13:50.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like shr or lynx, etc.""" start="00:13:53.189" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is also an xwidget-webkit,""" start="00:13:56.699" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this browser executes JavaScript,""" start="00:14:04.740" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it does not really help in this case.""" start="00:14:07.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Browser extensions on Emacs are effortless,""" start="00:14:10.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as they can be written as Emacs packages.""" start="00:14:14.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, one could easily write""" start="00:14:17.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elisp scripts with similar functionalities""" start="00:14:19.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to libredirect and openwith""" start="00:14:21.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to redirect links, to rewrite URLs,""" start="00:14:24.922" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or to open, say, a YouTube URL with MPV,""" start="00:14:30.181" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with even more flexibility.""" start="00:14:37.061" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, here's how one could""" start="00:14:39.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transform a Zoom link to a dial-in number""" start="00:14:41.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it is easier to join a Zoom meeting""" start="00:14:44.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without running non-free JavaScript.""" start="00:14:47.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This might still be bad for privacy,""" start="00:14:50.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but at least it's good for freedom.""" start="00:14:53.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As mentioned before,""" start="00:14:58.699" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one shortcoming of these Emacs-based browsers,""" start="00:15:00.379" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs web browsers, is no support for CSS,""" start="00:15:03.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the formatting could leave a lot to be desired.""" start="00:15:08.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe someone would write""" start="00:15:11.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an Emacs browser package backed by wkhtmltopdf,""" start="00:15:12.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, when opening a URL,""" start="00:15:17.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it calls wkhtmltopdf to convert the web page to PDF""" start="00:15:20.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and opens in, say, pdf-view-mode of the pdf-tools,""" start="00:15:26.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thus containing formatting,""" start="00:15:29.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all the URL clicks resolve to the same actions.""" start="00:15:31.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, wkhtmltopdf contains a flag that disables JavaScript.""" start="00:15:34.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another idea would be to use Firefox""" start="00:15:43.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a processor to fetch URLs.""" start="00:15:45.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe it can be used to pass back the HTML""" start="00:15:50.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after executing free JavaScript,""" start="00:15:54.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, if Firefox has LibreJS installed.""" start="00:15:56.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This requires Firefox to send back the DOM,""" start="00:16:01.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which could be achieved using native messaging.""" start="00:16:05.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More on that later.""" start="00:16:08.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alternatively, one could also write a Firefox extension""" start="00:16:09.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that sends the DOM in an existing tab back to Emacs.""" start="00:16:14.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thinking more about it,""" start="00:16:17.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think this is actually a useful idea,""" start="00:16:20.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because most of the sites that work under LibreJS""" start="00:16:23.059" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also are useful when all JavaScript is blocked.""" start="00:16:27.139" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, this means these sites are viewable""" start="00:16:34.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""under EWW, Luwak, etc.""" start="00:16:37.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And another issue is that""" start="00:16:42.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this could also make running non-free JavaScript easier,""" start="00:16:43.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is harmful to user freedom.""" start="00:16:46.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - overview""" start="00:16:52.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""OK, let's move on to the idea""" start="00:16:52.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of running Emacs as a web server,""" start="00:16:54.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that Emacs client packages are web apps""" start="00:16:55.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""serving as alternative frontends.""" start="00:16:58.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why would we want to do this?""" start="00:17:00.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, as much as one wants to be always in Emacs,""" start="00:17:02.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is not always feasible.""" start="00:17:06.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, one may be on the go""" start="00:17:08.340" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and needs to look up something on the phone.""" start="00:17:10.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""On the other hand, Emacs client packages""" start="00:17:12.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are just alternative frontends""" start="00:17:14.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but written in Elisp and run in Emacs.""" start="00:17:16.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With the help of emacs-web-server package,""" start="00:17:18.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can access Emacs packages on the web.""" start="00:17:20.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs-web-server package is not something new,""" start="00:17:23.580" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but seems to be underused in the community somehow.""" start="00:17:26.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - hello emacs!""" start="00:17:30.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""OK, let's start with a simple example called hello-emacs.""" start="00:17:30.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is pretty straightforward.""" start="00:17:33.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just require the web server feature""" start="00:17:35.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and run ws-start to start a server process""" start="00:17:38.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and send the string "hello emacs"""" start="00:17:41.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the process regardless of the request.""" start="00:17:43.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, it is going to be available""" start="00:17:45.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at port 9000 of localhost.""" start="00:17:48.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try it out.""" start="00:17:51.319" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need to first evaluate this code block.""" start="00:17:53.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it works.""" start="00:18:01.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To stop a server, just run ws-stop on the web server object.""" start="00:18:03.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's evaluate.""" start="00:18:10.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yep, it stopped.""" start="00:18:14.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - yolo""" start="00:18:17.580" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""OK, now let's move on to something funny""" start="00:18:17.580" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you should never run on the public web.""" start="00:18:20.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I call it yolo.el.""" start="00:18:22.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It uses htmlize""" start="00:18:23.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to make any Emacs buffer available on the web.""" start="00:18:25.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try it out.""" start="00:18:28.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just require the thing and start the server by yolo-start.""" start="00:18:29.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's available at port 9999.""" start="00:18:33.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By default, the root domain shows the splash screen""" start="00:18:38.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which needs to be available.""" start="00:18:41.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Running display-splash-screen ensures that,""" start="00:18:42.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but here I've already run it.""" start="00:18:47.219" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's have a look.""" start="00:18:48.939" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we have the splash screen.""" start="00:18:54.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs tutorial and such.""" start="00:18:56.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, none of these links work,""" start="00:19:00.240" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is something we will revisit later.""" start="00:19:05.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, to show an arbitrary buffer,""" start="00:19:10.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just use the buffer name as a path.""" start="00:19:15.481" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the slide has the buffer named web.org,""" start="00:19:20.081" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we can display it.""" start="00:19:24.861" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's try something fancier,""" start="00:19:34.581" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the man page of ffmpeg.""" start="00:19:36.941" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the man page of ffmpeg.""" start="00:19:40.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the buffer name is a bit more complicated.""" start="00:19:45.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have the URL available here.""" start="00:19:48.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's missing a star.""" start="00:19:59.140" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's pretty neat if you ask me.""" start="00:20:05.980" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, yeah, what else?""" start="00:20:12.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, we can also browse EWW in Firefox.""" start="00:20:14.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, let's check out gnu.org,""" start="00:20:22.700" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and note that the buffer name is EWW with stars.""" start="00:20:30.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, ah, it works.""" start="00:20:39.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has all the graphics even.""" start="00:20:41.979" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, how about we do it the other way around?""" start="00:20:50.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we load the current slide web.org using this funny thing.""" start="00:20:55.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it works.""" start="00:21:10.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not as nice as the Org buffer, though.""" start="00:21:14.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, and now that gives me some funny idea.""" start="00:21:19.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'm a firm believer that memes are meant to be enjoyed""" start="00:21:27.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in silence rather than read out loud.""" start="00:21:31.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will jump straight to trying this idea,""" start="00:21:33.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is loading the EWW buffer URL with EWW itself.""" start="00:21:38.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Loading, loading, loading.""" start="00:21:49.860" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Spoiler alert, it never loads.""" start="00:21:53.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that concludes the demo.""" start="00:21:59.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so we can stop the server, web server, with `yolo-stop`.""" start="00:22:03.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So one could extend yolo to serve arbitrary Emacs commands,""" start="00:22:06.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it even more dangerous.""" start="00:22:13.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is, for example, `localhost:9000/m-x/magit-status`""" start="00:22:15.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would run `magit-status`""" start="00:22:26.119" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and show the magit-status buffer in the web browser.""" start="00:22:27.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or localhost:9000/m-x/eww/""" start="00:22:34.500" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any arbitrary URL to browse arbitrary URL""" start="00:22:43.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with EWW inside of Firefox.""" start="00:22:46.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can serve as a way to block all JavaScript,""" start="00:22:50.820" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because EWW does not support JavaScript.""" start="00:22:53.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And enforce preferred colorscheme in Firefox,""" start="00:22:56.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since htmlize, as you have noticed,""" start="00:23:00.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""faithfully reflects the theme used in Emacs.""" start="00:23:02.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""emacs-web-server - emacs web framework""" start="00:23:07.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, so we know that yolo is unsafe""" start="00:23:07.940" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and needs to be refined.""" start="00:23:10.339" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, we don't necessarily want""" start="00:23:11.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to run Emacs on a web browser.""" start="00:23:13.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After all, a modern web browser is""" start="00:23:15.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something one has to fight all the time""" start="00:23:17.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and should be avoided whenever possible.""" start="00:23:19.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We want to instead be able to access things""" start="00:23:21.601" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when forced to be in a web browser,""" start="00:23:24.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in which case only the motivations""" start="00:23:26.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of an alternative frontend apply.""" start="00:23:28.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moreover, the ideal situation is an Emacs web framework,""" start="00:23:31.300" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a tool that automatically""" start="00:23:35.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transforms Emacs packages to web apps,""" start="00:23:36.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that one does not need to write extra code""" start="00:23:39.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to get a web app that does the same thing as the package.""" start="00:23:41.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We also need all links in the web pages to work.""" start="00:23:45.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As noted before, the links on the yolo Emacs splash screen""" start="00:23:49.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do not work.""" start="00:23:52.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here's a proof-of-concept example. It's called bom.el.""" start="00:23:53.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It gets some weather forecast data""" start="00:23:58.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology""" start="00:24:00.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and displays it in an org buffer.""" start="00:24:03.080" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's try it out. One could do `M-x bom`,""" start="00:24:05.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which shows an org buffer with links to each state.""" start="00:24:09.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So based in Melbourne, naturally,""" start="00:24:15.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to find out the weather of Victoria.""" start="00:24:17.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yes, to execute this command. Wait, wait, wait. Right.""" start="00:24:21.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we are at a buffer that shows""" start="00:24:27.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the weather forecast of the whole of Victoria""" start="00:24:33.460" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the hierarchy. Note that this back button""" start="00:24:36.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""takes you to the previous page.""" start="00:24:39.479" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here are the regions of Victoria.""" start="00:24:46.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Melbourne is in Central.""" start="00:24:47.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, it shows""" start="00:24:53.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the seven-day weather forecast of Melbourne.""" start="00:24:54.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also reach this page by running,""" start="00:24:57.260" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's see, directly `M-x bom-state`.""" start="00:25:00.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vic.""" start="00:25:08.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK. So this works.""" start="00:25:13.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is bom as an Emacs package.""" start="00:25:18.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's check out bom as a web app""" start="00:25:21.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transformed by Emacs web framework.""" start="00:25:23.981" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So start the web server with bom-start.""" start="00:25:28.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let's try it out. It's at 9000 again.""" start="00:25:33.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. Invalid path. Oh, that's because""" start="00:25:39.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it makes exactly one command to one path.""" start="00:25:42.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So remember that we used the bom command""" start="00:25:46.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to show the landing page.""" start="00:25:49.301" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we need the bom in the path as well.""" start="00:25:50.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it shows the same landing page, except in HTML.""" start="00:25:54.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check out Victoria weather forecast as before.""" start="00:26:00.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it shows an HTML converted from the org buffer""" start="00:26:07.260" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using ox export HTML, whatever.""" start="00:26:12.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can see even the back button is here.""" start="00:26:17.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That takes you to /bom.""" start="00:26:20.359" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's have a look at Melbourne. Here it is.""" start="00:26:26.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hooray, it works.""" start="00:26:29.140" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah, as usual,""" start="00:26:31.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can stop the web server with `M-x bom-stop`.""" start="00:26:33.960" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. And alternatively,""" start="00:26:40.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can also be deployed directly in terminal""" start="00:26:43.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a dedicated Emacs daemon.""" start="00:26:48.500" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see that there's a one-one correspondence""" start="00:26:56.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the Emacs package interface and the web interface.""" start="00:26:58.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that implies some restrictions to the Emacs package""" start="00:27:03.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the Emacs web framework to be able to do its job. Right.""" start="00:27:06.040" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, the package needs to have an Org interface""" start="00:27:09.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the links that trigger other commands""" start="00:27:13.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to be in Elisp links""" start="00:27:15.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that the Emacs web framework""" start="00:27:17.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can translate it to web server URL path.""" start="00:27:20.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Note that Emacs web server framework is not a real package.""" start="00:27:24.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote some functions in bom.el serving the purpose,""" start="00:27:28.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they should be separated out eventually""" start="00:27:33.340" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without much trouble.""" start="00:27:35.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One could get weather forecast""" start="00:27:37.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without running JavaScript anyway,""" start="00:27:40.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which makes bom.el less important""" start="00:27:42.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as an alternative web client.""" start="00:27:45.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Though it does provide, dare I say,""" start="00:27:48.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a clean and minimal interface""" start="00:27:50.520" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compared to common weather forecast web pages.""" start="00:27:52.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Other more relevant use cases could be Mastodon,""" start="00:27:55.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whose official web client requires JavaScript""" start="00:27:58.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to display a post.""" start="00:28:01.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The mastorg package that shows an Org hierarchy of toots""" start="00:28:03.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rooted as a given toot could be a low-hanging fruit.""" start="00:28:08.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The limitation of Org interface requirements""" start="00:28:12.179" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can also be relaxed in further work,""" start="00:28:15.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if one could extend Emacs web framework""" start="00:28:17.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to translate back and forth between Emacs widgets,""" start="00:28:21.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, including buttons and web page widgets,""" start="00:28:24.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""including links.""" start="00:28:28.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Another more far-fetched idea would be""" start="00:28:30.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to translate to other types of interfaces,""" start="00:28:32.600" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like GNU/Linux or Android GUI.""" start="00:28:35.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How about animations? Say, M-x butterfly,""" start="00:28:44.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or even web games from Emacs games?""" start="00:28:47.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Possibilities are unlimited in this, as always, in Emacs.""" start="00:28:54.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also noticed some limitations""" start="00:29:00.100" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when trying to actually host bom.el on the public web.""" start="00:29:03.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Given the limited access to the Emacs server,""" start="00:29:07.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was comfortable enough to give bom.el a go""" start="00:29:13.540" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to serve it on the public web.""" start="00:29:16.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, I immediately stopped""" start="00:29:18.800" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after noticing how slow it is.""" start="00:29:20.560" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can take more than 30 seconds""" start="00:29:22.880" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to load a page of weather forecast for a state.""" start="00:29:24.720" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am also not sure how many simultaneous connections""" start="00:29:27.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can handle.""" start="00:29:31.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In any case, I think the package emacs-web-server""" start="00:29:32.380" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could do with some performance enhancement.""" start="00:29:36.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Firefox with emacs for extensions""" start="00:29:40.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Right. Because of the time constraints,""" start="00:29:40.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will briefly touch one final idea,""" start="00:29:44.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is to use Emacs as a Firefox browser extension.""" start="00:29:45.760" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We already have org-protocol,""" start="00:29:50.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which allows Firefox to communicate""" start="00:29:52.900" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a running Emacs server""" start="00:29:54.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by sending an org-protocol URL to the latter.""" start="00:29:55.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can be used not just for capturing or storing links,""" start="00:29:59.780" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but to execute arbitrary code on any component of the URL.""" start="00:30:03.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, it is fire and forget,""" start="00:30:10.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Emacs cannot tell Firefox what to do.""" start="00:30:11.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There may be a length restriction, too.""" start="00:30:16.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, Firefox may not be able to send back""" start="00:30:17.920" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the whole DOM.""" start="00:30:20.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This claim needs to be verified, though.""" start="00:30:22.420" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Native messaging is one solution to this problem.""" start="00:30:26.220" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It is a two-way communication channel""" start="00:30:30.020" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between a Firefox web extension and a local system process""" start="00:30:31.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""started by the web extension.""" start="00:30:35.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The process could be an Emacs server,""" start="00:30:37.840" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which would make Emacs effectively""" start="00:30:40.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Firefox web browser extension.""" start="00:30:42.400" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In this case, Elisp would be the main extension language,""" start="00:30:48.680" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rather than JavaScript.""" start="00:30:52.000" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, JavaScript is still needed at the Firefox end""" start="00:30:53.620" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the communication channel.""" start="00:30:56.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As a simple example of this idea,""" start="00:30:59.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Firefox could ask Emacs to redirect a URL""" start="00:31:01.160" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by removing tracking and using alternative frontend, etc.""" start="00:31:04.440" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, I was not able to implement this""" start="00:31:08.320" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to some tricky business""" start="00:31:12.480" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with enforcing synchronicity""" start="00:31:14.280" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allows the web extension""" start="00:31:15.640" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to wait for responses from Emacs.""" start="00:31:17.120" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some further work, I suppose.""" start="00:31:20.200" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thank you""" start="00:31:25.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""That concludes my talk.""" start="00:31:25.360" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your attention.""" start="00:31:28.254" video="mainVideo-web" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: ken + +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="web-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 2 seconds. And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:04.740" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi Yuchen, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:05.980" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'm gonna just walk off.""" start="00:00:08.720" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if I... Yeah,""" start="00:00:10.840" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, brain not working well at this""" start="00:00:13.440" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moment. How about you?""" start="00:00:14.660" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Well, mine is about to get fried because""" start="00:00:18.420" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf is a very taxing process and I can""" start="00:00:21.040" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tell you we could have a race to know who's""" start="00:00:24.599" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more more tired right now between you and""" start="00:00:26.720" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""myself but I guess we'll find out at the end""" start="00:00:29.480" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, sounds good.""" start="00:00:32.080" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: of the Q&A. 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On what we're saying?""" start="00:10:43.780" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: No, no, no, Let's continue.""" start="00:10:47.620" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: had plenty of time. Okay,""" start="00:10:51.340" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to ask you to be quick about this""" start="00:10:53.100" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1. I'm going to read the question,""" start="00:10:53.860" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is slightly long,""" start="00:10:54.620" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're going to have about 30 seconds to""" start="00:10:56.320" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer it. 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At least try it.""" start="00:11:02.860" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so quoting, I find the JavaScript trap""" start="00:11:05.208" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""almost impossible to avoid since I like to""" start="00:11:06.680" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""buy used stuff online and use my online bank.""" start="00:11:10.360" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you deal with a JavaScript trap?""" start="00:11:13.140" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use NoScript and compromise on a few things""" start="00:11:15.400" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really feel I cannot live without.""" start="00:11:16.760" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EWW is nice for a lot of things,""" start="00:11:19.080" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially with R for less noise,""" start="00:11:21.260" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I need Firefox for those GS and trapped""" start="00:11:23.760" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pages. 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Thank you so much for your""" start="00:12:40.200" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation and for waking up early and""" start="00:12:41.940" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answering the question,""" start="00:12:42.540" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can tell you, you were very alert and""" start="00:12:44.820" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""definitely more energetic than I was.""" start="00:12:47.020" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, see you later.""" start="00:12:52.600" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thank you. See you.""" start="00:12:53.940" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Bye. And we go to the next talk right now.""" start="00:12:58.400" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: You are currently""" start="00:13:02.620" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:13:15.260" video="qanda-web" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [id@ypei.org](mailto:id@ypei.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20web%3A%20Emacs%20saves%20the%20Web%20%28maybe%29) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/web-before.md b/2023/info/web-before.md index 443e415e..0ee755f0 100644 --- a/2023/info/web-before.md +++ b/2023/info/web-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,32 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 40-min talk followed by live Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 32-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-web"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-web" data=""" +00:00.000 Overview +00:35.680 Background problems +05:31.940 Solutions outside of Emacs +09:46.480 Emacs solutions +09:54.600 Free clients in Emacs +12:43.021 Web browsers in Emacs +16:52.380 emacs-web-server - overview +17:30.380 emacs-web-server - hello emacs! +18:17.580 emacs-web-server - yolo +23:07.940 emacs-web-server - emacs web framework +29:40.420 Firefox with emacs for extensions +31:25.360 Thank you + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 31:33 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-web">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=feab521f1b6a6f4d2cef232eecd969786ddf81c1-1701634708093">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main.opus">Download --main.opus (17MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--main.webm">Download --main.webm (53MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei.org">Download .org</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/fvzGU4cQQ2meZVKNGEHMht">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqOZwsylo48">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-web"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-web--emacs-saves-the-web-maybe--yuchen-pei--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/web-nav.md b/2023/info/web-nav.md index 4aeb6483..34119aef 100644 --- a/2023/info/web-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/web-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/hn">The many ways to browse Hacker News from Emacs</a> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/mentor">Mentoring VS-Coders as an Emacsian (or How to show not tell people about the wonders of Emacs)</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/sharing">Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs: Emacs education and why I embraced video</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/windows-after.md b/2023/info/windows-after.md index 8c4835ce..f4ce987e 100644 --- a/2023/info/windows-after.md +++ b/2023/info/windows-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,1258 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [corwin@bru.st](mailto:corwin@bru.st?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20windows%3A%20Windows%20into%20Freedom) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="windows-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Oh, wow, how exciting. Well, maybe I should share something then. Um, well, thank you very much and welcome to uh""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Welcome to my talk i'm a little distracted here""" start="00:00:11.440" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had a friend who came over and just brought me a whole bunch of peanut butter cups homemade peanut butter cups""" start="00:00:13.760" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe i'll show those off. Uh""" start="00:00:20.080" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later""" start="00:00:22.320" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, what okay here, uh, put it right there""" start="00:00:23.360" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All good stuff""" start="00:00:30.960" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so i'm going to uh get over to my planned uh stuff i'm sharing here""" start="00:00:33.920" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully""" start="00:00:41.340" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, and and we'll jump jump right in because i'm gonna need as much time as I can possibly have today""" start="00:00:42.880" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks so much for uh joining me for emacs conference and for""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially for""" start="00:00:54.620" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um""" start="00:00:56.480" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of you who who participated, you know in the discussions contributing talks and""" start="00:00:57.600" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, you know, uh, you know, including running the copy the the and it's just so much fun to be here, um""" start="00:01:03.520" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess while i'm standing here and and saying stuff that's that i'm gonna have to""" start="00:01:11.040" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcribe because I didn't uh prepare a""" start="00:01:16.620" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recorded version""" start="00:01:20.560" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I had a lot of trouble trimming this down so I can solve that problem by just talking a lot at the beginning""" start="00:01:22.080" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about other stuff, um""" start="00:01:28.960" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in addition to the thanks I just want to say thanks also to the""" start="00:01:33.200" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Folks on the development list that helped me kind of come up to speed on this. 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Um, well, thank you very much and""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""welcome to, uh, uh, welcome to my talk. I'm a little distracted here. I had a friend who came""" start="00:00:06.880" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over and just brought me a whole bunch of peanut butter cups, homemade peanut butter cups. Maybe""" start="00:00:14.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll show those off, uh, later. What? Okay. Here, uh, put it right there.""" start="00:00:20.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. So I'm going to, uh, get over to my plan, uh, stuff I'm sharing here, hopefully.""" start="00:00:33.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, and, and we'll jump, jump right in because I'm going to need as much time as I can possibly""" start="00:00:42.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have today. Thanks so much for, uh, joining me for Emacs conference and for, especially for,""" start="00:00:48.640" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, all of you who, who, who participated, you know, in the discussions, contributing talks and,""" start="00:00:56.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, you know, uh, you know, including running the, the, the, and it's just so much fun to be here.""" start="00:01:03.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I guess while I'm standing here and, and saying stuff that's, that I'm going to have to""" start="00:01:09.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcribe, cause I didn't, uh, prepare a recorded version. 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I won't make a big""" start="00:01:37.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""list here, but, um, and, and, and for all that I've learned from my previous conferences, it's""" start="00:01:41.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just, I can't stress enough what a great opportunity volunteering for, uh, free software related things""" start="00:01:48.880" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are, uh, as a way to get involved. People will just totally teach you how to be helpful and I'm""" start="00:01:55.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""loving it. I can preview the stream, but it's not super easy right now. I got all my screens""" start="00:02:00.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of dedicated to other stuff. 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Currently""" start="00:09:16.560" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that'll change when the, uh, when the 30, 30, uh, an Emacs 30 release tags, uh, or release branches""" start="00:09:22.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""come. Okay. So let's talk about the local. Um, there's not much to know about what I have going""" start="00:09:32.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on, except that I have my, my paths mess messed with. So, um, if, if that, that were to come up,""" start="00:09:42.880" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you're wondering how, why does this, uh, and insist command work, that's probably the place""" start="00:09:51.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you'd notice it. Uh, I am using windows 10. 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Let's see if I can freehand it.""" start="00:24:27.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not going to do it. Uh,""" start="00:24:36.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay.""" start="00:24:40.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I beg your pardon. I'm grabbing a URL from the internet.""" start="00:24:52.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, okay. Yeah, I can, I can honestly, I can freehand it, whatever. Okay. Sorry. I, uh,""" start="00:25:00.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't have that bookmarked in all handy. Like I thought I did. Um, so we'll just say""" start="00:25:07.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ftp.gnu.org slash, uh, what is it? Pub emacs, emacs-29.1, uh, .org.gnu.org.exe.""" start="00:25:13.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really think I'd have this command sitting around. It makes me want to scrap the whole""" start="00:25:30.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""demo. I'm not going to lie. Okay. How am I doing? Um, I think at least 15 minutes. Um,""" start="00:25:47.040" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in the command that you were freehanding, should the pub be GNU instead?""" start="00:25:54.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, thanks. I'm sorry.""" start="00:25:59.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There we go. Thank you. All right. 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I'm going to go take that into my own""" start="00:40:46.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""open source, or yeah, maybe they would, the jerks, um, into my own open source project.""" start="00:40:51.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, um, you know, off they go, uh, and that needs to be possible.""" start="00:40:56.880" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, so, um, beyond that, the rest of this is, is really detailed that you find covered in the GNU""" start="00:41:04.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers manual. Um, this is the, the current set of Windows binaries that, um, it's busily""" start="00:41:12.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working on creating a like for like a mirror to behind the scenes here is called a 29.1 underscore""" start="00:41:19.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two. 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Um, and what you did see, unless it was provided by the operating""" start="00:44:36.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system in my presentation today, was all, uh, free software with the debatable exception of""" start="00:44:43.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""NSYS, which styles itself as open source, maybe for, uh, marketing reasons.""" start="00:44:49.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, uh, in any case, uh, certainly we can get all that source.""" start="00:44:56.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the note, Corin. It's good to know that, uh, building or, uh, yeah, doing the build of Emacs""" start="00:45:08.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Windows on Windows can be done, uh, using only free software. Yeah, absolutely.""" start="00:45:14.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Probably the right closing note, right? Um, I just, uh, thanks again to the organizers for""" start="00:45:23.440" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bearing with me. And like, every time I was like, you guys, I'm terrible at this. They're just like,""" start="00:45:29.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no, you're doing fine. Keep going. You did a great job live last time. You can do it live,""" start="00:45:33.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, and, and saying all the right things to just, uh, encourage me to come back,""" start="00:45:38.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, this year and every year.""" start="00:45:43.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, as I said before, we were very lucky to have you and the rest of the team, of course,""" start="00:45:49.760" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well. And, um, goes without saying, but all the speakers and the audience, the participants as""" start="00:45:53.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well. So, um, so, uh, are we, we're still live over here that, you know, you know, me, I'm the""" start="00:45:59.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike Hogg that I am. I can't resist, um, throwing, throwing up another screen here. And, uh, in fact,""" start="00:46:14.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's go ahead and go back to our, to our crawler, right? And I'll bring back our build""" start="00:46:22.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if it finishes and maybe we'll show making the installer as well. Um, uh, but I have the CPU""" start="00:46:32.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""account turned down a little bit here. Uh, note, I didn't specify minus J here. Um, so, uh, over""" start="00:46:40.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here is my automation. Uh, in case you do want to take a look, I can at least provide the""" start="00:46:49.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""orientation of what you're looking at. Scrape log is probably my first thing I want to show off.""" start="00:46:54.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, it's not beautiful, but this works, uh, pretty well for me to get a sense of something might""" start="00:46:59.760" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have changed in terms of how many warnings or errors are happening when I build Emacs. So I""" start="00:47:08.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have this whole automation going on and I frequently want to answer the question,""" start="00:47:14.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, what's the change rate in, uh, warnings or what have you. So this kind of gives me a count""" start="00:47:19.280" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of that. Um, so from there, uh, accrued CI is the script we're watching run in the other pane.""" start="00:47:26.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, we can see it's, uh, just starting to do its thing again.""" start="00:47:37.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And, uh, the make file I mentioned, this is a top-down rewrite of everything else that I've done.""" start="00:47:48.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has some bugs right now. Um, the, uh, the build distribution is the main script that I use for my""" start="00:47:57.040" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personal builds. This is what is run by the crude CI script. Uh, it has a fun tie-in to this, uh,""" start="00:48:08.640" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""web interface here, um, where we can, you don't need the port number when you go to it. That's""" start="00:48:17.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just if I'm going to post. Um, the, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This, this script is""" start="00:48:23.200" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really long and complicated and probably needs some diving into, but you can see that, um, one""" start="00:48:33.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the complexities I have to deal with is that I'm going to need something in the format of an""" start="00:48:39.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs-version for strategic, um, nsys reasons. So, uh, it takes care of kind of every complexity""" start="00:48:43.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I mentioned today in some respects, um, as does the make file. Build release is, um, another""" start="00:48:54.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fairly useful incarnation of this. This is just focused on the release process, and this does""" start="00:49:03.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""work, uh, for example, to create the, the, the, you know, like, like, well, I could like, uh,""" start="00:49:11.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for like files as far as I can tell. So what are currently posted for emacs 29.1 and the release""" start="00:49:18.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""candidate. Um, so I'll probably use that next time. And if it's still like, for like, I'll""" start="00:49:25.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably post the ones that came from this. Um, uh, building, uh, TreeSitter, I make some DLLs""" start="00:49:32.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there. If you're looking for hints on how to get going or just simply, uh, a huge long list""" start="00:49:40.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Git repositories that make grammars, you can use that is here as well. Um, finally, I mentioned""" start="00:49:47.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a, um, I have a website where I publish my own personal snapshots that I make, uh, that""" start="00:49:55.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folder full of install directories, but all of the usual GNU style binary distributables, including""" start="00:50:04.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the source code and the source code for the dependencies. Um, the, uh, so this program is""" start="00:50:11.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another one of those complicated find commands and therefore potentially the most useful thing""" start="00:50:22.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in here to take to you. Um, and here I'm deleting, uh, binaries older than 17 years. Uh, everything""" start="00:50:27.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""except the, uh, node apps file and the sources of it you'll find on my website. Currently those""" start="00:50:34.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indefinitely, I'll probably roll out 120 days or something, um, for those eventually.""" start="00:50:42.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, uh, I can talk about this one even. Um, the, uh, so here you'll see the two branches that I'm""" start="00:50:53.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tracking. The job of this script is, uh, this runs on the website. I call it with a, like a remote""" start="00:51:00.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rsync, uh, type, uh, or an SSA remote, uh, SSH command. Um, and right after the rsync,""" start="00:51:06.560" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rsyncing up any new Emacs that I built. And, uh, it's, uh, it's job is to update my fancy""" start="00:51:15.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory indexing. So let's look at Corwin's website. Here's my Emacs 29 folder.""" start="00:51:26.080" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have about two more minutes, Corwin. Yeah. It'll take that entire two minutes to, uh,""" start="00:51:37.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load this directory because I am, because I have not yet ever pruned any of these dang binaries.""" start="00:51:50.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So every version of, uh, Emacs 29 that I've ever made for myself is probably here. Nice.""" start="00:51:56.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I strongly recommend that you bookmark this folder if you're using these for something and""" start="00:52:03.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you always want the latest. Um, so here, this particular, uh, latest 29, Emacs 29 latest,""" start="00:52:08.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or simply replace the 29 with 30 to get those. Uh, alas, no, no such luck for TreeSetter.""" start="00:52:14.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if we look at, uh, that,""" start="00:52:23.120" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live this long without making a typo. Now look at me.""" start="00:52:36.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh-oh. Oh.""" start="00:52:40.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here, um, you know, we can see the icon application and so on, even in the TreeSetter""" start="00:52:51.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folder. This is all I'm talking about, about the fanciness that's set up by that other script that""" start="00:52:56.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm showing over here and run after each time I run the upload. It just""" start="00:53:02.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looks to see if anything's new and add some lines to the .htaccess file.""" start="00:53:07.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, I'm particularly proud of this one. I'm not going to lie. Um, linking out to each,""" start="00:53:15.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""each, uh, project that we're using, letting us know the commit version,""" start="00:53:22.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then, uh, for the DLLs, quick link out to the log and the signature file for this DLL. Um,""" start="00:53:26.560" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I find that a lot, just a lot more readable than, uh, listing them all out individually. And I'd""" start="00:53:36.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""love to do something like that on the GNU site. So I'm, I think we've got to be out of time by""" start="00:53:46.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now. I've just got to say, hey, thanks again for having me, uh, for those that, uh, watch the talk""" start="00:53:53.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either live or after the conference. Uh, appreciate everyone's support to get me to""" start="00:53:59.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the point where I will be able to, uh, to do this, this, this cool volunteer task,""" start="00:54:04.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, which is fun and easy to do and reach out to me if you're interested in helping with it.""" start="00:54:10.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, awesome. Thanks a lot for the awesome talk, Corbyn. And, uh, of course, as a fellow""" start="00:54:18.960" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core, uh, core organizer, uh, for all, for all that you do, um, in and around Emacs Conf""" start="00:54:24.320" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and of course for, uh, GNU Emacs as well, it's much appreciated.""" start="00:54:29.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Big, big words from coming from you, my friend. Um, thanks for the kind words.""" start="00:54:36.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Cheers. My pleasure. All right. And with that, I think we're gonna, uh, wrap up the dev, uh,""" start="00:54:45.040" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""track here and, uh, we'll be with you again shortly in a few minutes on the gen stream,""" start="00:54:49.840" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the gen track for the closing remarks for today, um, only for today, because we're going to be""" start="00:54:55.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""back tomorrow again as well. So don't go anywhere and, uh, see you on the gen track in a bit.""" start="00:55:00.400" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh my God, I did it. We got done within the time. You're my hero. Um, and thank you so""" start="00:55:25.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much for just keeping me honest there and, uh, like helping me keep my eye on the time and such.""" start="00:55:32.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to look at the recording and see whether you feel like doing it again.""" start="00:55:41.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry. I had my sound screwed up and I'm sorry if I talked over somebody,""" start="00:55:56.160" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I couldn't hear anything on mumble until this very moment.""" start="00:55:59.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, uh, because he's your webcam for it. Um, like as a, like a virtual webcam thingy,""" start="00:56:03.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was low res, especially when things are changing as you're scrolling around. So we'll""" start="00:56:09.440" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see what kind of recording we can recover from it. And then you can decide whether you maybe""" start="00:56:15.760" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to clean it up with like screenshots. I recorded on this end too. We shouldn't have""" start="00:56:19.920" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that problem with my recording. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think we're still live on the""" start="00:56:26.480" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dev stream. Someone could, uh, take that off. Oh, yes. Because, uh, I'll, I'll set it to rebroadcast.""" start="00:56:30.720" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. I love doing that for the closing remarks. That's a fine tradition""" start="00:56:45.520" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or it's a tradition now. Cause I'm pretty sure this means we've done it twice.""" start="00:56:52.000" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I once heard that, you know, uh, as a fan-ish meaning like a fan-ish is a term of endearment""" start="00:57:01.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a science fiction fan to another. We say we're, we're fans or things we do are fan-ish and""" start="00:57:07.360" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a fan-ish tradition then is if you do it three times, it's tradition, but we're on a budget here.""" start="00:57:12.800" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, all right. I think we should, um, head over to mumble and talk on mumble. Um, and just decide""" start="00:57:19.680" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see like which big blue button room we're going to be in for closing. Okay. So we're clear""" start="00:57:31.600" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on BBB here? Yep. I think so.""" start="00:57:36.240" video="qanda-windows" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [corwin@bru.st](mailto:corwin@bru.st?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20windows%3A%20Windows%20into%20Freedom) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/windows-before.md b/2023/info/windows-before.md index da687e0f..c3914bf7 100644 --- a/2023/info/windows-before.md +++ b/2023/info/windows-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,18 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 40-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 58-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-windows"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div></div>Duration: 57:48 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-windows">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=38dd7a08335a90614084b3d860f9da7e03414d8d-1701549705139">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.opus">Download --main.opus (29MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--main.webm">Download --main.webm (80MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/4DeRkvJyKFdCBLWnHtsZW2">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVgVd2_HTs">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-windows-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-windows">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=38dd7a08335a90614084b3d860f9da7e03414d8d-1701549705139">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (29MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-windows--windows-into-freedom--corwin-brust--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/windows-nav.md b/2023/info/windows-nav.md index a595b88c..d7ebb4cb 100644 --- a/2023/info/windows-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/windows-nav.md @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ <div class="talk-nav"> Back to the [[talks]] -Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/lspocaml">Writing a language server in OCaml for Emacs, fun, and profit</a> -Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/emacsconf">EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> +Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/doc">Literate Documentation with Emacs and Org Mode</a> +Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/scheme">Bringing joy to Scheme programming</a> +Track: <span class="sched-track Development">Development</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev">Watch</a></strong> </div> diff --git a/2023/info/world-after.md b/2023/info/world-after.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f8af282c --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/info/world-after.md @@ -0,0 +1,236 @@ +<!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> + + +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="world-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Draw and scribble in GNU Emacs""" start="00:00:00.780" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:00:00.780" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""drawing and scribbling in Emacs using SVG.""" start="00:00:02.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with `canvas-mode`.""" start="00:00:07.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will define the width and the height.""" start="00:00:10.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The default is polyline,""" start="00:00:17.540" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which means you can scribble anything that you want.""" start="00:00:19.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very handy for taking quick notes.""" start="00:00:23.733" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will look at""" start="00:00:30.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""drawing a triangle using some lines.""" start="00:00:32.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Now let's draw a circle.""" start="00:00:46.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use the mouse to adjust""" start="00:00:57.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the radius of the circle.""" start="00:00:58.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is some problem with ellipse,""" start="00:01:02.860" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will look at it at the end of the video.""" start="00:01:04.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's put up some text,""" start="00:01:07.940" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a typical "Hello World".""" start="00:01:11.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Size, let's do a 20 font size,""" start="00:01:15.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we will use the default font family.""" start="00:01:19.880" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, we will look at undoing what we have drawn.""" start="00:01:32.360" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just press u for deleting the last drawn object.""" start="00:01:37.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you can continue pressing""" start="00:01:43.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""u for consecutive deletions.""" start="00:01:45.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also make a selection of the objects""" start="00:01:51.960" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the screen using your mouse and then press u.""" start="00:01:54.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will delete all the objects in one go.""" start="00:01:57.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we are looking at stroke color.""" start="00:02:02.600" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will use a brown stroke color""" start="00:02:06.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for drawing our objects.""" start="00:02:08.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's look at stroke width.""" start="00:02:12.880" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will use a width of 5.""" start="00:02:20.420" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's fill up the objects with a fill color.""" start="00:02:27.980" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will look at zoom.""" start="00:02:41.620" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use the mouse to select a region and zoom.""" start="00:02:47.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also use +, - for zooming in and out.""" start="00:02:50.120" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press 0 for resetting the zoom.""" start="00:02:54.360" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's save the file,""" start="00:03:07.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and q or Enter for exiting the canvas-mode.""" start="00:03:14.540" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will open the file in Emacs itself.""" start="00:03:19.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see the file,""" start="00:03:25.220" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can do Control-c Control-c (`C-c C-c`).""" start="00:03:26.180" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, we look at ellipse.""" start="00:03:32.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks!""" start="00:03:44.420" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""SVG Symbols library""" start="00:03:46.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will draw""" start="00:03:46.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""schematics using symbols from SVG library in Emacs.""" start="00:03:48.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Press capital L to activate the symbol library""" start="00:03:52.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you can see on the right hand side,""" start="00:03:55.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and place the symbol on the canvas.""" start="00:03:57.867" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's add another register to this diagram.""" start="00:04:01.960" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can press capital R to rotate the symbol.""" start="00:04:06.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's place it on the canvas.""" start="00:04:11.820" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will add a voltage source to the circuit.""" start="00:04:17.240" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To connect the symbols,""" start="00:04:31.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we will have to use some connecting wires.""" start="00:04:33.180" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For that, press capital W""" start="00:04:36.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to activate the connection mode.""" start="00:04:39.467" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Click anywhere on the canvas""" start="00:04:46.920" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to draw intermediate points, and press Esc""" start="00:04:48.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to exit that particular connection.""" start="00:04:53.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's connect other symbols too.""" start="00:05:00.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:05:16.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""GNU Emacs: A multimedia editor""" start="00:05:20.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:05:20.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some basic multimedia editing using Emacs.""" start="00:05:22.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start a media-edit session.""" start="00:05:24.933" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's open a video file.""" start="00:05:27.460" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The left-hand side is your viewer area,""" start="00:05:32.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the right-hand side is your track area.""" start="00:05:34.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the track area, you can use normal Emacs""" start="00:05:36.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text editing movements.""" start="00:05:39.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now press `C-c r` to refresh the viewer mode""" start="00:05:42.040" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the exact time frame.""" start="00:05:48.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now press SPC to play or pause the video.""" start="00:05:52.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This looks like an interesting point in the video,""" start="00:05:59.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's track it and split it. Press Enter to do that.""" start="00:06:03.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will extract some 10 seconds of this video.""" start="00:06:11.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's use this.""" start="00:06:20.733" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now go here and delete all these lines.""" start="00:06:23.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's review our edited clip.""" start="00:06:26.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks good! Now press e to export the video.""" start="00:06:44.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Provide an output file name.""" start="00:06:51.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This will use FFmpeg to convert, and you can""" start="00:06:57.560" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""output to any file format supported by FFmpeg.""" start="00:07:04.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Let's open up shell and view this""" start="00:07:16.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""video file in an external video player.""" start="00:07:21.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:07:57.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Fill PDF form using GNU Emacs""" start="00:08:03.367" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:08:03.367" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing a PDF form using GNU Emacs.""" start="00:08:05.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To start, we have to enable the annotation.""" start="00:08:09.760" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then we can use Tab to move forward and Shift+Tab""" start="00:08:13.840" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to move backwards through the fields.""" start="00:08:18.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To edit a field, we press e.""" start="00:08:22.480" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's edit a text box. We'll call it 'city'.""" start="00:08:25.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, we will edit a drop-down.""" start="00:08:33.580" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, press e, and you get a select.""" start="00:08:35.840" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Use the Minibuffer to select one of the values.""" start="00:08:38.680" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's select 'France'.""" start="00:08:45.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's edit a radio box.""" start="00:08:48.500" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A checkbox or a radio box can be toggled using t.""" start="00:08:52.180" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can disable…""" start="00:08:55.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's save the file, `doc-view-save-form`.""" start="00:08:58.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will ask for a file name.""" start="00:09:05.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's call it `filled1.pdf`. If the file exists,""" start="00:09:08.360" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will ask you if you want to overwrite.""" start="00:09:13.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's verify this new file.""" start="00:09:17.260" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In Firefox, we'll copy this file name, call it filled1.""" start="00:09:21.460" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's verify the values.""" start="00:09:27.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have city, France and Driving License selected.""" start="00:09:29.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:09:32.620" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Desktop and window management in GNU Emacs""" start="00:09:34.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:09:34.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""desktop and window management in GNU Emacs.""" start="00:09:37.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll start with `task-view`.""" start="00:09:40.460" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Top row shows all the desktops,""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and rest of the images are the active windows""" start="00:09:50.467" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that particular desktop.""" start="00:09:54.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can tap to select""" start="00:09:59.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and double tap to activate a particular window.""" start="00:10:09.160" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can use m to move selected windows""" start="00:10:13.320" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to any of the desktops at the top.""" start="00:10:16.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's check the third desktop.""" start="00:10:25.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's bring it back to the second desktop.""" start="00:10:29.320" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The best part,""" start="00:10:49.980" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can select multiple windows""" start="00:10:51.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and form a group by pressing g.""" start="00:10:54.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you can select any of the windows""" start="00:10:59.980" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this group to activate the complete group.""" start="00:11:04.867" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:11:07.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Screen mirroring in GNU Emacs""" start="00:11:10.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:11:10.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""screen mirroring using GNU Emacs.""" start="00:11:12.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Run `wfd`. Select an interface.""" start="00:11:14.280" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now it will scan for all the available devices""" start="00:11:18.780" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for screen mirroring.""" start="00:11:20.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll select my TV, which is an LG WebOS TV.""" start="00:11:24.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't decline, it will start streaming.""" start="00:11:30.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's change some buffer to check the visuals.""" start="00:11:38.720" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To terminate the session, just click on quit.""" start="00:11:45.140" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:11:50.220" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Swipe for Text Input in GNU Emacs""" start="00:11:53.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Using Sweep to swipe and type "as you like it."]""" start="00:11:53.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Formula Editor in GNU Emacs""" start="00:12:25.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Formula Editor]""" start="00:12:25.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Typing fractions in the formula]""" start="00:12:39.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Adding brackets and an exponent]""" start="00:12:45.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Transliteration in Emacs""" start="00:12:59.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Hindi (Devanagari script) Phonetic typing]""" start="00:12:59.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Phonetic typing Gujarati, Bangla, Kannada, and Tamil]""" start="00:13:05.200" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Social Media client - Tumblr, Reddit""" start="00:13:09.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Browsing Reddit in Emacs]""" start="00:13:09.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Browsing Tumblr in Emacs]""" start="00:13:19.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Browsing X (Twitter) in Emacs]""" start="00:13:29.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Comics Builder""" start="00:13:40.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Generating comic from a text script]""" start="00:13:40.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Matching game""" start="00:13:49.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Matching color names with color boxes]""" start="00:13:49.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive XPath Builder in GNU Emacs""" start="00:13:59.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Running `xpath-builder` on an XML file]""" start="00:13:59.567" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Filtering `title`, `para`, and `author` from the XML]""" start="00:14:01.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive JSON Builder in GNU Emacs""" start="00:14:10.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Filtering `father`, `father.name`, `children`""" start="00:14:10.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`children[1]` from a JSON using JSON Builder]""" start="00:14:29.200" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""GNU Emacs as a lightweight IDE (CEDET Semantic): Java - Generate getter/setter""" start="00:14:35.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:14:35.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generating getters and setters in Java using Emacs.""" start="00:14:37.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will run `srecode-getset-dialog`.""" start="00:14:41.660" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will get an option to select particular fields,""" start="00:14:46.233" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can expand and collapse.""" start="00:14:48.767" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can select all or deselect all,""" start="00:14:51.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or you can choose any particular getter.""" start="00:14:54.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's do protected version of this. Here you go.""" start="00:14:56.386" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want to generate for other fields,""" start="00:15:02.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can re-run it.""" start="00:15:06.067" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can check the one that you have already""" start="00:15:08.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generated is not there.""" start="00:15:11.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now select all, and you can see rest of the""" start="00:15:13.100" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""getters and setters have been generated.""" start="00:15:22.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:15:23.933" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Generate C header""" start="00:15:26.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""[Generating C headers using `srecode-gen-header`]""" start="00:15:26.133" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""C Rename symbols""" start="00:16:11.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:16:11.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""renaming method across multiple files in a project.""" start="00:16:13.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's start with `semantic-symref-symbol`.""" start="00:16:17.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we have the references.""" start="00:16:24.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's use the menu to open all these occurrences.""" start="00:16:26.800" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To rename it, we have to use""" start="00:16:35.400" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Rename Symbol in Open hits."""" start="00:16:38.433" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's rename it to underscore 1 (`_1`).""" start="00:16:41.920" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will verify it by compiling the project.""" start="00:16:46.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's open the `*Messages*` buffer to see the results""" start="00:16:57.720" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more clearly. No errors.""" start="00:17:00.300" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:17:04.167" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""SQL (offline)""" start="00:17:07.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello. In this video, we will look at""" start="00:17:07.640" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SQL editing with Semantic.""" start="00:17:09.733" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will define a schema in this SQL document.""" start="00:17:12.440" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's create a table.""" start="00:17:16.620" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We get already existing tables""" start="00:17:27.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the current document.""" start="00:17:30.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It also supports auto-completion of some keywords.""" start="00:17:38.533" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we can do some queries on the tables.""" start="00:17:57.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have `SELECT` as the keyword or the SQL,""" start="00:18:00.900" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we will select the SQL.""" start="00:18:03.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here we have all the tables existing in this schema.""" start="00:18:06.833" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can also use an alias for completions.""" start="00:18:13.560" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's look at a more complex example.""" start="00:18:25.633" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We will try to do a join on two tables.""" start="00:18:31.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's add a `WHERE` clause.""" start="00:18:43.367" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, let's do insert.""" start="00:19:06.600" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can just click on Tab to go to the next field.""" start="00:19:23.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's fill in the columns.""" start="00:19:27.967" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And do a Tab to go to the values""" start="00:19:30.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and add the corresponding values.""" start="00:19:32.667" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, an update.""" start="00:19:37.000" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now we will try to delete this""" start="00:19:48.033" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a `WHERE col11 = 4`.""" start="00:20:00.700" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lastly, let's try dropping the table.""" start="00:20:07.333" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's all for this video. Thanks.""" start="00:20:16.267" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Slide with the text "Let's Make Computing Personal."""" start="00:20:21.867" video="mainVideo-world" id="subtitle"]] + +</div> + +Captioner: bhavin192 + +Questions or comments? 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Please e-mail [jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com](mailto:jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20writing%3A%20Emacs%20turbo-charges%20my%20writing) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="writing-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> + + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello everyone, I'm Jeremy Friesen, pronouns he/him,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:04.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how Emacs turbocharges my writing.""" start="00:00:05.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Quick intro: I've been programming since 1998""" start="00:00:08.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and blogging since 2011.""" start="00:00:11.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In May of 2020 I switched to Emacs,""" start="00:00:14.080" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""having previously used a long list of different editors.""" start="00:00:16.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Curious about how Emacs impacted my writing,""" start="00:00:19.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wrote some stuff on my personal site and""" start="00:00:23.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""found that I blogged about 95 words per day prior to Emacs,""" start="00:00:25.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and with Emacs I'm blogging about 340.""" start="00:00:30.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, this is not a fair comparison, many things changed.""" start="00:00:33.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""A pandemic removed 2 hours of commute every day""" start="00:00:37.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a big contributor.""" start="00:00:40.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ultimately though, I've used Emacs and extended it""" start="00:00:44.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reduce barriers to capturing and writing and thinking,""" start="00:00:47.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm always on the lookout for minor refinements""" start="00:00:50.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that help me stay in my thinking.""" start="00:00:53.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How I got here""" start="00:00:57.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How I got here was I started in WordPress,""" start="00:00:57.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I moved to Jekyll, and then to Hugo,""" start="00:00:59.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and through that process I started writing in Markdown.""" start="00:01:02.600" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when I was learning Emacs,""" start="00:01:05.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also didn't want to learn Org Mode,""" start="00:01:07.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it felt intimidating because it could do so many things.""" start="00:01:09.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I later learned Org Mode grows with you,""" start="00:01:12.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that's where I'm at now.""" start="00:01:15.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Friction""" start="00:01:18.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But I didn't realize that friction""" start="00:01:18.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between writing Markdown for my public blog""" start="00:01:20.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then adopting Org Mode locally""" start="00:01:23.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for writing and time tracking and things like that.""" start="00:01:25.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also, where did I put things,""" start="00:01:28.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because migrating the formats was just a little clunky.""" start="00:01:31.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So ultimately I spent some time thinking about the data flow""" start="00:01:35.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and where I would put things,""" start="00:01:38.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this kind of pre-thinking,""" start="00:01:39.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where does stuff go when it comes into and out of my brain.""" start="00:01:41.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Domains for notes""" start="00:01:45.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I have many domains where I'll write towards.""" start="00:01:45.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The ones for this presentation are going to be""" start="00:01:49.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blog posts, epigraphs, glossary, and melange.""" start="00:01:51.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Melange is, I don't know where it goes,""" start="00:01:54.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but now I do, I just throw it in melange.""" start="00:01:56.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I began exploring Org Mode via Org Roam,""" start="00:02:01.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I've ultimately switched from Org Roam""" start="00:02:04.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the simplified Denote package.""" start="00:02:07.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't use a lot of the functionality""" start="00:02:10.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I appreciate the plain text reality of Denote.""" start="00:02:13.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:02:15.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So let's hop into the demo.""" start="00:02:15.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to split my screen.""" start="00:02:18.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Over on the right is going to be""" start="00:02:19.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'm going to be live typing stuff.""" start="00:02:21.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's get going.""" start="00:02:24.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You'll notice I don't do a lot of screen splitting.""" start="00:02:27.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It just makes it easier to focus.""" start="00:02:29.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's create a note.""" start="00:02:32.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I have bound hyper to my command key,""" start="00:02:34.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my right command key.""" start="00:02:41.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This opens up a whole world.""" start="00:02:42.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to create a blog post""" start="00:02:43.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we're going to name it the ever popular "hello world".""" start="00:02:45.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's Emacs.""" start="00:02:49.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great.""" start="00:02:50.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We've saved it.""" start="00:02:51.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Dabbrev and hippie-expand""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""One of the things I encourage everybody to do""" start="00:02:55.440" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is to watch Jay Dixit's presentation, Emacs for Writers.""" start="00:02:57.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It showed me the utility of Dabbrev for quick auto correction.""" start="00:03:02.040" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I also love using hippie-expand.""" start="00:03:08.080" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I watch VS coders code, it's always a little sad pants""" start="00:03:11.480" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they're thinking about coding or writing""" start="00:03:14.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in terms of their code.""" start="00:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I have found as a programmer, I tend to write more tech,""" start="00:03:19.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more like English instead of programming code.""" start="00:03:24.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think it's important to understand these tools""" start="00:03:27.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that help me write better.""" start="00:03:30.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Links""" start="00:03:32.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right, we're going to go with links.""" start="00:03:32.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Links are foundational for the web.""" start="00:03:34.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template 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start="00:04:48.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't have backlinks built up for that,""" start="00:04:52.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have ideas of how I go about doing it.""" start="00:04:54.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And last up, thank you Frank Herbert,""" start="00:04:56.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to introduce epigraphs.""" start="00:04:58.760" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is epigraph.""" start="00:05:00.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just have that, any sufficiently, dot, dot, dot.""" start="00:05:04.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's my epigraph.""" start="00:05:08.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Backlinks, I mentioned that.""" start="00:05:10.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go take a look at Jonathan, right?""" start="00:05:16.720" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's a Rubyist, but importantly is the backlinks.""" start="00:05:19.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He gave a talk on, that's right, PDFs.""" start="00:05:23.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can go look at what he spoke to""" start="00:05:27.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I can reference that because I will remember""" start="00:05:28.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that talk or I will remember, oh, I need to look up PDFs.""" start="00:05:31.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I have something in PDFs.""" start="00:05:36.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, it's about stumbling upon data in a good way.""" start="00:05:39.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thinking of making linking easy helps me""" start="00:05:43.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""create more and more ways to find things,""" start="00:05:48.320" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both by links, backlinks, indices, file searches, and so forth.""" start="00:05:52.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's all about information organization.""" start="00:05:57.120" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next up is a really cool function of org capture.""" start="00:05:59.240" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's take a look here.""" start="00:06:04.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to start a clock.""" start="00:06:06.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are my menu of things I don't want to forget.""" start="00:06:53.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will export.""" start="00:06:55.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here we go.""" start="00:06:56.760" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is my blog post in markdown format with Hugo shortcodes.""" start="00:06:57.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's go take a look at what that looks like.""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Localhost.""" start="00:07:07.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not writing in Rails.""" start="00:07:09.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Hello world" right there.""" start="00:07:12.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the epigraph.""" start="00:07:14.920" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I have a mention of Worlds without Number.""" start="00:07:17.160" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I have mentioned this as a abbreviation.""" start="00:07:22.280" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I include the first time this text.""" start="00:07:24.800" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here's also Jonathan.""" start="00:07:27.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He is not a public reference thing.""" start="00:07:30.200" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I have these things here.""" start="00:07:33.400" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here's my captured information""" start="00:07:37.520" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""along with the citation link to 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video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I write, I'm attending to what I'm doing.""" start="00:08:04.680" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And eventually, I realize if I were to just write""" start="00:08:06.840" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a function that does this one thing,""" start="00:08:08.880" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'd have a smoother writing experience.""" start="00:08:11.640" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This helps me practice my craft, extend my editor,""" start="00:08:13.560" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understand its capabilities, and begin exploring other things.""" start="00:08:16.360" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The goal of this is all to minimize the distractions.""" start="00:08:20.000" video="mainVideo-writing" id="subtitle"]] 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id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I'm doing great, how about you?""" start="00:00:04.779" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I am also doing great,""" start="00:00:08.039" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am feeling replenished after this lunch""" start="00:00:09.380" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""break and I am happy to go back for 4 more""" start="00:00:11.780" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Me too. Let me""" start="00:00:15.900" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: hours of conferences. just,""" start="00:00:14.179" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah great, Let me just put up the questions.""" start="00:00:17.303" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Jeremy is going to read the questions and""" start="00:00:20.660" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer them and I will be doing jazz hands in""" start="00:00:22.440" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the background or provide any bits of""" start="00:00:24.380" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information I may, considering that Orgrim""" start="00:00:26.599" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been mentioned during the presentation""" start="00:00:28.860" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everyone's going to want to ask me.""" start="00:00:30.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at... Show me? Yeah, go.""" start="00:00:35.640" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So I'm looking I'm looking at the,""" start="00:00:35.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you think the line numbers for writing""" start="00:00:39.280" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documents is kind of a distraction,""" start="00:00:41.160" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially for notes? No,""" start="00:00:43.260" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do software development and that left""" start="00:00:47.860" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fringe is kind of invisible,""" start="00:00:51.180" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do like to use jump to line.""" start="00:00:53.680" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I just bind that to control L and it's""" start="00:00:56.320" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helpful to just see that.""" start="00:00:59.580" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So no, I haven't noticed that.""" start="00:01:02.980" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are other ways to jump around in Emacs,""" start="00:01:05.500" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I like to have many different ways.""" start="00:01:07.540" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, yeah. Then how do you manage private and""" start="00:01:11.000" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""public data with your Zettelkasten?""" start="00:01:17.120" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 of my blockers on putting my Zettelkasten""" start="00:01:20.820" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the web is I don't want everything to be""" start="00:01:23.600" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""public, especially fleeting notes.""" start="00:01:26.240" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So 1 thing is I only explicitly export a file""" start="00:01:31.360" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Hugo and I have that,""" start="00:01:36.560" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can like, I can export this.""" start="00:01:39.380" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That doesn't show up very well.""" start="00:01:41.520" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's export probably export org to take on""" start="00:01:44.540" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""rules and we'll export the buffer.""" start="00:01:50.280" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then any that I referenced,""" start="00:01:53.760" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like these are all links,""" start="00:01:57.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any notes that are not public will be""" start="00:01:58.660" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exported as the text, but there won't be a""" start="00:02:04.380" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""link to it. 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We are recording all of this and""" start="00:14:56.160" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll be publishing this later on once again.""" start="00:14:58.180" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And all that's left for me to do is to thank""" start="00:15:01.120" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so much, Jeremy, for your presentation""" start="00:15:03.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and your answers. And I will see you another""" start="00:15:05.740" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time.""" start="00:15:08.200" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So yeah, plasma strike.""" start="00:15:12.700" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not able to grant speaking powers.""" start="00:15:15.560" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if you wanted to type up something""" start="00:15:20.340" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question-wise.""" start="00:15:22.160" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh, okay. I'll manage this in the background.""" start="00:15:24.000" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're moving on to the next talk.""" start="00:15:26.000" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll figure out the things about VBB,""" start="00:15:28.500" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in the meantime, enjoy the next talk.""" start="00:15:30.240" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye. All right, Jeremy.""" start="00:15:34.140" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We are now on the next talk.""" start="00:15:35.460" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry about having to mention multiple things""" start="00:15:37.080" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at the same time. Speaking rights.""" start="00:15:39.240" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will try fixing this in the background.""" start="00:15:42.500" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I need to get moving for the next talk,""" start="00:15:44.440" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll do it in the background and we'll""" start="00:15:46.120" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let you know as soon as it's ready.""" start="00:15:48.040" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: We're doing great. Okay.""" start="00:15:40.440" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Alright, bye bye Jeremy.""" start="00:15:51.220" video="qanda-writing" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com](mailto:jeremy@jeremyfriesen.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20writing%3A%20Emacs%20turbo-charges%20my%20writing) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2023/info/writing-before.md b/2023/info/writing-before.md index f1f6f49a..6e01d684 100644 --- a/2023/info/writing-before.md +++ b/2023/info/writing-before.md @@ -1,12 +1,28 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-before-page --> [[!toc ]] -Format: 10-min talk followed by live web conference Q&A -Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Format: 9-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room +Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings +# Talk + +<div class="vid mainVideo"><video controls preload="none" id="mainVideo-writing"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="mainVideo-writing" data=""" +00:00.000 Intro +00:57.120 How I got here +01:18.400 Friction +01:45.960 Domains for notes +02:15.920 Demo +02:55.440 Dabbrev and hippie-expand +03:32.840 Links +07:49.160 Conclusion + +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 08:53 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-writing">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=d3faf3bd5abcc5316e6a997b22b29d962480ad5c-1701537771543">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.opus">Download --main.opus (5.5MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--main.webm">Download --main.webm (23MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen.pdf">Download .pdf</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/ke3UCJaJSLyQr7Emv8VxST">View on Toobnix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxlEK6W7RyA">View on Youtube</a></li></ul></div></div> + +# Q&A + +<div class="vid qanda"><video controls preload="none" id="qanda-writing"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video><div>Listen to just the audio:<br /><audio controls preload="none" id="qanda-writing-audio" src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.opus"></audio></div><div></div>Duration: 15:53 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-writing">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://bbb.emacsverse.org/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=d3faf3bd5abcc5316e6a997b22b29d962480ad5c-1701537771543">Play recording from BigBlueButton</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.json">Download --answers.json</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.opus">Download --answers.opus (9.4MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.vtt">Download --answers.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-writing--emacs-turbocharges-my-writing--jeremy-friesen--answers.webm">Download --answers.webm (35MB)</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/writing-nav.md b/2023/info/writing-nav.md index fa3bdae7..1c94a3c6 100644 --- a/2023/info/writing-nav.md +++ b/2023/info/writing-nav.md @@ -3,5 +3,5 @@ Back to the [[talks]] Previous by track: <a href="/2023/talks/one">one.el: the static site generator for Emacs Lisp Programmers</a> Next by track: <a href="/2023/talks/nabokov">Why Nabokov would use Org-Mode if he were writing today</a> -Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> +Track: <span class="sched-track General">General</span> - <strong><a href="https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen">Watch</a></strong> </div> |