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diff --git a/2023/info/scheme-after.md b/2023/info/scheme-after.md index 17b95b51..a466d69a 100644 --- a/2023/info/scheme-after.md +++ b/2023/info/scheme-after.md @@ -1,22 +1,17 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -<a name="scheme-mainVideo-transcript"></a> -# Transcript +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="scheme-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript</h1> -[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Hello and welcome everyone on EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello and welcome everyone on EmacsConf 2023.""" start="00:00:02.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm Andrew Tropin.""" start="00:00:07.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I work on operating systems and programming languages.""" start="00:00:08.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Today, we discuss Lisps, Schemes, REPLs,""" start="00:00:11.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interactive development,""" start="00:00:16.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and how to make your own cozy development environment.""" start="00:00:18.140" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive development""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Let's start from interactive development.""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Interactive development""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's start from interactive development.""" start="00:00:23.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Lisps are famous for a nice""" start="00:00:26.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Interactive Development Experience.""" start="00:00:29.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They have REPLs.""" start="00:00:32.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -33,9 +28,7 @@ [[!template text="""but is it enough?""" start="00:01:14.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:01:16.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""REPL: Read Eval Print Loop""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""We know that Emacs is very good for Lisps and REPL.""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""REPL: Read Eval Print Loop""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We know that Emacs is very good for Lisps and REPL.""" start="00:01:18.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Lisp and Emacs should be a perfect setup.""" start="00:01:22.840" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But let's see how REPL basically works.""" start="00:01:26.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's an event loop which does three things.""" start="00:01:30.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -66,9 +59,7 @@ [[!template text="""So you can evaluate expressions inside your text editor""" start="00:02:46.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and see the result here.""" start="00:02:51.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Long-lasting loops""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Works good so far, but what happens""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Long-lasting loops""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Works good so far, but what happens""" start="00:02:53.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if we run a long-lasting loop,""" start="00:02:56.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which does a lot of operations.""" start="00:03:02.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""As you can see here with a simple example,""" start="00:03:05.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -91,9 +82,7 @@ [[!template text="""And even if you do it,""" start="00:04:02.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you have a lot of downsides, usually.""" start="00:04:04.321" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Not interruptible""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""First of all, the process is not interruptible.""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Not interruptible""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First of all, the process is not interruptible.""" start="00:04:07.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If you have a remote process which listens on the socket""" start="00:04:13.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to which you connect from your development environment,""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and you run some infinite loop, for example,""" start="00:04:21.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -102,9 +91,7 @@ [[!template text="""and signals to remote processes are not usually""" start="00:04:31.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the thing in such integrations.""" start="00:04:35.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Output is not interactive""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Output is also not interactive.""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Output is not interactive""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Output is also not interactive.""" start="00:04:38.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Usually, for example, here you can see""" start="00:04:41.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when I evaluate the expression,""" start="00:04:45.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the output is captured on the evaluation side,""" start="00:04:47.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -116,9 +103,7 @@ [[!template text="""only after 5 seconds of evaluation.""" start="00:05:13.781" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay, what else?""" start="00:05:17.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""No protocol""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""When you do such integrations, you have no protocol,""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""No protocol""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""When you do such integrations, you have no protocol,""" start="00:05:23.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you have just stdin and stdout.""" start="00:05:26.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You print to stdin from your text editor.""" start="00:05:29.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You read from stdout of the process.""" start="00:05:32.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -126,9 +111,7 @@ [[!template text="""if it requires stdin, and how to extend the REPL""" start="00:05:40.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to make it more featureful, and so on.""" start="00:05:47.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Not scalable""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""And also, such integrations are usually not very scalable.""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Not scalable""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And also, such integrations are usually not very scalable.""" start="00:05:51.480" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For example, if you want to have a completion,""" start="00:05:57.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you type something, you have the completion. Cool.""" start="00:06:14.700" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But if you run the process and at the same time""" start="00:06:17.461" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -150,9 +133,7 @@ [[!template text="""so you need something else""" start="00:07:18.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to make the work comfortable.""" start="00:07:21.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""nREPL""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""There is already a solution called nREPL.""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""nREPL""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There is already a solution called nREPL.""" start="00:07:25.860" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's a synchronous protocol which allows""" start="00:07:28.980" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to send operations to the server""" start="00:07:31.120" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and receive responses in a synchronous manner.""" start="00:07:34.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -179,9 +160,7 @@ [[!template text="""was not satisfying. I decided""" start="00:08:57.300" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to just implement nREPL protocol.""" start="00:08:59.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Arei, Ares, and how to try""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""First of all, I implemented nREPL server in Guile.""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Arei, Ares, and how to try""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First of all, I implemented nREPL server in Guile.""" start="00:09:01.740" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I called it `guile-ares-rs`, and used it""" start="00:09:05.720" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with a generic nREPL client for Emacs.""" start="00:09:11.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It worked.""" start="00:09:13.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -204,9 +183,7 @@ [[!template text="""that README will be complete enough""" start="00:10:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so you will be able to try it yourself.""" start="00:10:30.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Let's see what is possible with it already.""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Demo""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's see what is possible with it already.""" start="00:10:34.180" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Let's connect to nREPL server.""" start="00:10:42.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""After that, you can evaluate the expression.""" start="00:10:51.900" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And you see the stdout and the result.""" start="00:10:56.281" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -221,9 +198,7 @@ [[!template text="""which is very convenient if you accidentally""" start="00:11:21.960" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""run an infinite loop.""" start="00:11:25.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Continuations""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Also, do you remember here we have a few more examples""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Continuations""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Also, do you remember here we have a few more examples""" start="00:11:27.640" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that we didn't try yet?""" start="00:11:32.940" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For example, on usual REPL implementation,""" start="00:11:34.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if I evaluate this expression, I get return value.""" start="00:11:39.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -243,9 +218,7 @@ [[!template text="""and you can see at the top of the screen""" start="00:12:27.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that it works perfectly fine.""" start="00:12:30.140" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Reading from stdin""" start="00:12:32.460" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Also, with a usual REPL implementation,""" start="00:12:32.460" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Reading from stdin""" start="00:12:32.460" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Also, with a usual REPL implementation,""" start="00:12:32.460" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""let's see what happens when we have a process""" start="00:12:35.560" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which reads from stdin.""" start="00:12:40.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I evaluate the expression and nothing visible happens.""" start="00:12:41.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -260,9 +233,7 @@ [[!template text="""and unspecified was returned""" start="00:13:26.100" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as a result of this expression.""" start="00:13:28.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Fancy example with continuations""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Let's make some fancy example with continuations.""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Fancy example with continuations""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's make some fancy example with continuations.""" start="00:13:33.420" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Continuations is a very cool mechanism""" start="00:13:37.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is not the topic of today's talk,""" start="00:13:45.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but you can find a lot of interesting information""" start="00:13:48.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -290,9 +261,7 @@ another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subti [[!template text="""Very nice.""" start="00:15:07.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And every time we could easily interrupt it.""" start="00:15:08.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Guix API""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Okay, what most annoying thing that I had previously""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Guix API""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, what most annoying thing that I had previously""" start="00:15:13.160" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with the usual REPL implementation""" start="00:15:17.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that I have a quite nice Guix API""" start="00:15:19.340" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where I can build packages, systems and other stuff.""" start="00:15:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -328,16 +297,12 @@ another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subti [[!template text="""while the infinite loop is running.""" start="00:17:33.660" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:17:40.260" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Support""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""Actually it took me around two months""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Support""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Actually it took me around two months""" start="00:17:42.060" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of full-time work funded by my own savings,""" start="00:17:44.920" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and you can support and help to the project""" start="00:17:48.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""using OpenCollective or by contributing on SourceHut.""" start="00:17:51.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Future steps - Multiple simultaneous evaluations in different contexts""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""The future steps for the project""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Future steps - Multiple simultaneous evaluations in different contexts""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The future steps for the project""" start="00:17:57.020" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""include an experimental workflow where you have""" start="00:17:58.700" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""multiple simultaneous evaluation in different contexts.""" start="00:18:03.675" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For example, you have Fibers, you have Goblins,""" start="00:18:07.540" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -351,15 +316,11 @@ another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subti [[!template text="""You want to see the stderr and stdout""" start="00:18:39.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of those long-running processes and so on.""" start="00:18:42.520" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""The second thing is tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second thing is tree-sitter integration""" start="00:18:46.220" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for better syntax highlighting, code navigation,""" start="00:18:50.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and other features.""" start="00:18:53.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""And after that, probably we will do a full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And after that, probably we will do a full-fledged debugger""" start="00:18:56.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so you can jump expressions one by one""" start="00:19:01.400" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and see the results and see some intermediate values""" start="00:19:06.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""during the evaluation.""" start="00:19:10.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -368,9 +329,7 @@ another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subti [[!template text="""and you can implement""" start="00:19:17.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""whatever you want on top of it.""" start="00:19:18.200" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""FAQ - Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""I will answer two probably very frequent questions.""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""FAQ - Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I will answer two probably very frequent questions.""" start="00:19:22.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Does it support other Scheme implementations?""" start="00:19:27.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""At the moment, it doesn't,""" start="00:19:30.500" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but the Scheme implementation is not restricted.""" start="00:19:32.280" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -380,9 +339,7 @@ another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subti [[!template text="""So if you implement nREPL server in a different language,""" start="00:19:48.320" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it should work with already implemented `arei` client.""" start="00:19:52.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Is it possible to use it with other text editors?""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""And is it possible to use the same functionality""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Is it possible to use it with other text editors?""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""And is it possible to use the same functionality""" start="00:19:58.380" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in other text editors, for example in VS Code,""" start="00:20:04.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Vim, whatever?""" start="00:20:07.000" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes, it's possible and the case is similar here.""" start="00:20:08.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] @@ -390,154 +347,23 @@ another value for it.""" start="00:14:27.680" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subti [[!template text="""and you can write your own nREPL client""" start="00:20:16.600" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in a different text editor and it will work.""" start="00:20:19.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""I would like to thank the authors and maintainers""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I would like to thank the authors and maintainers""" start="00:20:22.121" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and contributors of Guile, Geiser, CIDER, Clojure,""" start="00:20:26.760" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and Emacs, and all other people""" start="00:20:30.440" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""who are somehow related to the work on those projects""" start="00:20:33.360" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""involved in this talk.""" start="00:20:38.780" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I hope the Scheme programming will be enjoyable.""" start="00:20:42.080" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template new="1" text="""Contacts""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - -[[!template text="""If you want to contact me,""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contacts""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""If you want to contact me,""" start="00:20:45.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""join #tropin IRC channel at libera.chat,""" start="00:20:47.240" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or drop me a message via email or feediverse""" start="00:20:49.800" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""using `andrew@trop.in` handle.""" start="00:20:53.040" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I will see you in a bit in Q&A session.""" start="00:20:55.880" video="mainVideo-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - +</div> Captioner: sachac -<a name="scheme-qanda-transcript"></a> -# Q&A transcript (unedited) - -[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I see 2 questions on the panel already.""" start="00:00:16.200" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Let's see, 1 asking how much Andrew uses""" start="00:00:22.660" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""these ripples remotely or versus on their own""" start="00:00:26.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""desktop. And another asking if this can be""" start="00:00:29.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""integrated with EGLOT.""" start="00:00:31.160" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And I will note that it is very cool that""" start="00:00:34.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this year we've had so many talks on Ripples.""" start="00:00:36.580" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Just goes to show how powerful Emacs is and""" start="00:00:40.920" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""just how much or how far you can push it and""" start="00:00:42.980" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""how much you can do with it.""" start="00:00:44.040" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And so see someone asking on IRC,""" start="00:00:53.460" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""if or how many people use GnuGeeks.""" start="00:00:57.780" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Since we are talking about Scheme,""" start="00:01:01.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""GnuGeeks is a great platform slash operating""" start="00:01:05.740" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""system or distro for your test house,""" start="00:01:10.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""but also for servers and such.""" start="00:01:11.920" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""They do some impressive,""" start="00:01:13.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""amazing work. And it's all,""" start="00:01:15.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""pretty much all done in Gindugal's scheme.""" start="00:01:19.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So very cool stuff. Bye.""" start="00:01:30.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You""" start="00:01:45.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I see another interesting question on the""" start="00:03:19.940" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""pad. How hard is it to add support for""" start="00:03:23.440" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""something other than Guile?""" start="00:03:24.960" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And if it makes sense to contribute at this""" start="00:03:28.040" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""early stage of development?""" start="00:03:28.940" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""They said that they've written several""" start="00:03:31.960" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""packages for chicken skin before and they""" start="00:03:34.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""would like to try this 1 as well.""" start="00:03:35.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I guess since Andrew isn't still here,""" start="00:05:26.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""and there was some chatter about GnuGeeks in""" start="00:05:29.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the chat, maybe it might be nice for me to""" start="00:05:32.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""share my screen and plug Inukis for a little""" start="00:05:35.520" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""bit and introduce it or at least show its""" start="00:05:38.800" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""website to folks who may not have seen it yet""" start="00:05:41.720" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""so I'm going to try and do that now.""" start="00:05:43.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You""" start="00:05:45.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Okay, let's see if this works.""" start="00:06:19.760" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Okay, so this is GNU Geeks' website.""" start="00:06:33.540" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You can go to geeks.gnu.org.""" start="00:06:35.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And they introduced it at the top.""" start="00:06:38.820" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So it's a wholly free operating system or""" start="00:06:43.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""distribution of GNU Linux.""" start="00:06:45.100" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Meaning that it only has free software""" start="00:06:48.600" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""packaged and no non-free packages,""" start="00:06:50.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""so it is endorsed by the FSF and the GNU""" start="00:06:53.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""project. As someone said in the chat,""" start="00:06:56.640" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""it's kind of like Nix,""" start="00:06:57.740" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""but instead built on GNU Gallop scheme.""" start="00:07:01.360" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""It has transactional upgrades and rollbacks.""" start="00:07:05.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So if you do upgrade your system and let's""" start="00:07:10.160" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""say in the middle of it,""" start="00:07:11.180" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""your hardware fails or your power goes out,""" start="00:07:13.200" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the likelihood of things being corrupted is""" start="00:07:16.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""very low because the upgrade is essentially""" start="00:07:18.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""prepared like in the background.""" start="00:07:21.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And then pretty much atomically,""" start="00:07:24.140" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the system is switched to it.""" start="00:07:26.780" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And also if there is some kind of,""" start="00:07:30.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""sorry, I'm losing my voice here.""" start="00:07:32.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""If there is some kind of issue that makes""" start="00:07:34.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""your system unbootable,""" start="00:07:35.800" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you could always go back to booting the""" start="00:07:41.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""previous revision of your system when you""" start="00:07:44.600" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""restart in the Grub bootloader.""" start="00:07:46.100" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, so they have a nice blog where they""" start="00:07:56.740" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""regularly post updates and what's new in the""" start="00:07:59.340" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""project. You can go check that out.""" start="00:08:01.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""We also have a packages archive where you can""" start="00:08:07.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""see a list of all the software that has been""" start="00:08:09.360" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""packaged for GNU Geeks.""" start="00:08:11.060" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""It is an impressive list.""" start="00:08:13.620" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I don't know how many tens of thousands of""" start="00:08:16.440" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""packages there are. Geeks has been growing""" start="00:08:19.720" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""very well. And you can search the packages""" start="00:08:22.360" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""here. And yeah, all kinds of things are""" start="00:08:29.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""packaged. Of course, GNU Emacs is packaged,""" start="00:08:31.800" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""along with many extensions or packages,""" start="00:08:37.260" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""GNU Emacs packages that are packaged as""" start="00:08:41.039" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""system packages for Geeks.""" start="00:08:42.840" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, so definitely go check it out.""" start="00:08:46.960" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You can use Geeks both as a standalone""" start="00:08:55.680" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""package manager, let's say on a Debian-based""" start="00:08:59.340" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""distribution like Triscale,""" start="00:09:00.780" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""for example, or you could install it like as""" start="00:09:06.180" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""a complete system distribution on its own.""" start="00:09:08.900" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So the former is useful if you want to maybe""" start="00:09:15.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""get a taste for Geeks and try it out before""" start="00:09:18.080" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""fully committing to it and switching to it as""" start="00:09:21.140" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""your main distro. You can try it on top of""" start="00:09:24.620" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""any other distro pretty much and then you can""" start="00:09:27.720" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""of course install it on its own as well as a""" start="00:09:31.080" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""system distribution.""" start="00:09:31.560" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, there are a bunch of manuals and""" start="00:09:50.940" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""reference cards and videos that you're""" start="00:09:53.040" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""welcome to watch. They have several mailing""" start="00:09:55.920" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""lists. It sounds like they have a wiki now as""" start="00:09:59.240" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""well. And the development is done on Gnu""" start="00:10:04.020" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Savannah. If we go to savannah.gnu.org""" start="00:10:09.680" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""slash projects slash geeks,""" start="00:10:12.780" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, the project is developed here and they""" start="00:10:18.640" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""have a bunch of repositories including the""" start="00:10:21.300" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""main 1 which is geeks.git""" start="00:10:24.340" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""itself. So yeah, folks are welcome to go""" start="00:10:28.200" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""check it out. Let's see,""" start="00:10:32.380" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""maybe we can go have a look at some package""" start="00:10:35.860" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""definitions, although I think we're almost""" start="00:10:37.540" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""out of time on the live stream.""" start="00:10:38.940" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So, yeah, just quickly.""" start="00:10:42.600" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Emacs to the CM has all the,""" start="00:10:45.280" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Emacs packages or Emacs itself.""" start="00:10:48.640" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And Emacs-xyz is where you'll find all the""" start="00:10:52.120" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Emacs like ELPA packages,""" start="00:10:54.480" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""but package for use on GNU Geeks system or""" start="00:10:57.980" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""with GNU Geeks. And I think that's all the""" start="00:11:01.220" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""time that we have. So yeah,""" start="00:11:04.080" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""thanks for tuning in, folks.""" start="00:11:06.000" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Please post your questions on the pad.""" start="00:11:07.800" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""We'll pass them on to Andrew.""" start="00:11:09.280" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And yeah, hope you enjoy this.""" start="00:11:12.400" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Definitely go check out Andrew's work and Gnu""" start="00:11:15.140" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""geeks as well. You are currently the only""" start="00:11:25.320" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""person in this conference.""" start="00:11:26.280" video="qanda-scheme" id="subtitle"]] - Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20scheme%3A%20Bringing%20joy%20to%20Scheme%20programming) |