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diff --git a/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md b/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md index f290cc90..56d6ba54 100644 --- a/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md +++ b/2023/info/lspocaml-after.md @@ -444,6 +444,349 @@ Captioner: sachac +<a name="lspocaml-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I would invite all on the,""" start="00:00:03.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who are currently watching,""" start="00:00:04.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who have questions, put them into the pad""" start="00:00:06.819" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I can ask them. I'm kind of monitoring""" start="00:00:08.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the IRC concurrently. So the first question""" start="00:00:16.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we have on the pad is concerning why you""" start="00:00:18.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have switched from OCaml.""" start="00:00:19.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe the person has missed it in the talk,""" start="00:00:22.420" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you've mentioned it.""" start="00:00:23.480" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why have you switched from OCaml to,""" start="00:00:25.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in this case, I guess,""" start="00:00:25.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Rust?""" start="00:00:26.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I mentioned like with writing a""" start="00:00:30.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language server that I wrote mine for my""" start="00:00:34.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""company in OCaml But I wouldn't recommend it""" start="00:00:36.900" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just in general unless like you're doing""" start="00:00:38.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something specific with OCaml And the reason""" start="00:00:41.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for that and I recommended Rust or like""" start="00:00:44.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TypeScript is like OCaml is great.""" start="00:00:45.780" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's very performant but it's cross""" start="00:00:49.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilation story is not great.""" start="00:00:50.739" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like really hard to cross compile like""" start="00:00:54.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from 1 platform to another.""" start="00:00:55.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then like the ecosystem and its standard""" start="00:00:58.120" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""library is also not great.""" start="00:01:00.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And like Rust, its cross compilation is""" start="00:01:03.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Its ecosystem is great.""" start="00:01:05.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OCaml is great if you need to use it,""" start="00:01:08.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's just it's not ideal.""" start="00:01:10.880" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's just also no good examples of a""" start="00:01:14.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language server in OCaml.""" start="00:01:15.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the official like OCaml language""" start="00:01:19.119" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""server, But they use a ton of super advanced""" start="00:01:22.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language features, like module functors and a""" start="00:01:27.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bunch of other random stuff.""" start="00:01:28.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's not really readable.""" start="00:01:29.479" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Rust, there's Rust analyzer,""" start="00:01:31.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is readable. In TypeScript,""" start="00:01:33.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's like a million different ones.""" start="00:01:34.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's less of a, not OCaml is like,""" start="00:01:39.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's not that OCaml isn't great.""" start="00:01:40.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's more of a, these other languages would""" start="00:01:43.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably just be easier.""" start="00:01:44.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So.""" start="00:01:45.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess since the integration to,""" start="00:01:48.619" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, like NeoVim or some other""" start="00:01:50.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editors are just revenue fine because of the""" start="00:01:53.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sorry, can you say that again?""" start="00:01:56.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: LSP, I guess. The LSP,""" start="00:01:58.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's a standard LSP specification that""" start="00:02:01.979" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're using. So you can also,""" start="00:02:03.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for instance, use it and other editors,""" start="00:02:04.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like for instance, new them or so.""" start="00:02:06.660" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah. Yeah. You can use it.""" start="00:02:08.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's most, most editors nowadays support it.""" start="00:02:11.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like obviously Emacs, NeoVim,""" start="00:02:13.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sublime, VS code, Intel,""" start="00:02:16.420" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the IntelliJ ones.""" start="00:02:17.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's, that's the fun part.""" start="00:02:21.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You don't have to write 10 different""" start="00:02:23.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages to get a bunch of editor support.""" start="00:02:26.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Also experience writing it.""" start="00:02:30.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I didn't have really time to hear into""" start="00:02:33.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your talk. So I'm sorry if I ask you""" start="00:02:36.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions that you have already said.""" start="00:02:38.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How was the experience of writing an LSP?""" start="00:02:41.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So have you any knowledge beforehand or do""" start="00:02:44.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you just read it all on yourself?""" start="00:02:45.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, there's not a ton of documentation,""" start="00:02:49.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is what motivated me to do this talk.""" start="00:02:53.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, I just looked at the""" start="00:02:56.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specification, and I knew Rust Analyzer was""" start="00:02:58.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. And so I looked at Rust Analyzer,""" start="00:03:00.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I looked at PyRite.""" start="00:03:01.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I just went from there.""" start="00:03:04.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I found out about all this because I already""" start="00:03:07.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Emacs, I already knew about it.""" start="00:03:10.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was like, this is going to be easier than""" start="00:03:12.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something else. So yeah,""" start="00:03:15.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's the experience is fine.""" start="00:03:17.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just a lot of wiring stuff up.""" start="00:03:21.060" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not a lot of like hard thinking until""" start="00:03:24.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you get to like performance heavy stuff.""" start="00:03:26.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like, so for some graph,""" start="00:03:27.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like we're doing a ton of like code parsing""" start="00:03:30.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and like analyzing. And so that's,""" start="00:03:32.980" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it takes up like a ton of processing power.""" start="00:03:35.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like for stuff like that,""" start="00:03:37.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like now you have to think about caching and""" start="00:03:39.620" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like ordering things. So that part's hard,""" start="00:03:43.980" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's more of a, like very much""" start="00:03:47.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""application specific thing.""" start="00:03:48.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. Anything in the IRC chat.""" start="00:03:58.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think not. It's nothing I can see.""" start="00:04:01.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No questions, that's kind of odd to be""" start="00:04:13.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""honest. I cannot really ask questions""" start="00:04:17.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concerning LSP specific.""" start="00:04:18.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, no worries.""" start="00:04:22.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Good question, what could be asked?""" start="00:04:31.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's call, let's ask something very""" start="00:04:35.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unspecific concerning the Emacs usage.""" start="00:04:38.260" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And when have you started?""" start="00:04:39.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How did you came through it and stuff like""" start="00:04:41.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this?""" start="00:04:41.780" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah. I like and when I was in high school,""" start="00:04:46.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me and my friends just were like,""" start="00:04:48.480" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got obsessed with Linux for whatever reason.""" start="00:04:51.820" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then like we traveled down like the,""" start="00:04:53.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the free software,""" start="00:04:55.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like we just thought that was like very""" start="00:04:57.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""entertaining and like interesting to read""" start="00:05:00.040" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about all the free software stuff.""" start="00:05:01.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They were like, yeah, that's cool.""" start="00:05:03.120" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so we all started using Linux.""" start="00:05:04.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm like, well, if I'm using free""" start="00:05:06.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software, I'm going to use Emacs.""" start="00:05:08.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so I started using Emacs just to try it""" start="00:05:12.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out. And then I kind of got,""" start="00:05:13.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I feel like, Stockholm syndrome into it.""" start="00:05:16.880" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And now I've realized like,""" start="00:05:18.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, now that I've done the like""" start="00:05:21.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actual work to get into Emacs,""" start="00:05:23.880" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's just, there's so much more I can do with""" start="00:05:26.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. 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And also,""" start="00:05:46.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ah, VS Code, I used a lot of VS Code""" start="00:05:49.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beforehand and then VS Codium because open""" start="00:05:53.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""source and then oh are there any other""" start="00:05:55.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""alternatives and I came to like Neovim and""" start="00:05:58.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs and often switching around but I stick""" start="00:06:01.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Emacs at some point to be honest.""" start="00:06:03.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think Emacs also just looks really""" start="00:06:07.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. I will say that.""" start="00:06:08.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also just like I like Vim.""" start="00:06:14.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vim is cool but like being able to like write""" start="00:06:16.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lists and like modify your editor on the fly""" start="00:06:19.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is just like very appealing to me.""" start="00:06:20.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know, Emacs was tough at first""" start="00:06:23.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because like all the like default key""" start="00:06:25.520" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bindings are just kind of like and then and""" start="00:06:28.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I read somewhere someone was like yeah""" start="00:06:29.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well Richard Stallman uses evil mode so it's""" start="00:06:33.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay. I was like alright I can that's like""" start="00:06:36.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blessing enough for me Like I'm just gonna""" start="00:06:38.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch to evil mode. And I was like,""" start="00:06:39.520" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is way, way better as far as key""" start="00:06:42.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bindings go.""" start="00:06:42.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Kind of relates. So I switched for,""" start="00:06:46.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, half a year to the default key""" start="00:06:49.900" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bindings from Vim beforehand.""" start="00:06:51.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I switched back to Evil and now I'm losing""" start="00:06:54.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some kind of hybrid styles.""" start="00:06:56.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's kind of weird. But we have a question on""" start="00:07:01.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the pad. 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How did you start?""" start="00:09:51.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So did you have any way to still be""" start="00:09:54.480" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relatively performant when they have big""" start="00:09:56.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files or is it just not supported?""" start="00:09:58.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't care.""" start="00:09:58.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, no, we, so we support larger files now""" start="00:10:03.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the way we ended up doing that,""" start="00:10:05.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so SemGrep is like you write this generic""" start="00:10:11.480" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pattern. You kind of write the language,""" start="00:10:14.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then there's these other symbols and""" start="00:10:17.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuff that are included in that,""" start="00:10:18.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this like meta language.""" start="00:10:19.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so what happens is,""" start="00:10:22.420" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is most languages get,""" start="00:10:23.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they get parsed and then into a syntax tree,""" start="00:10:27.720" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? Like whatever the language is syntax""" start="00:10:29.180" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tree is, and then they get,""" start="00:10:30.620" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the syntax tree gets converted into this,""" start="00:10:33.800" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, we call it like an abstract syntax""" start="00:10:35.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tree, which is like abstract from like any,""" start="00:10:38.080" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like languages specific syntax tree.""" start="00:10:39.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so then we can cache that,""" start="00:10:41.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is really good because like if someone""" start="00:10:44.480" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""types something like we don't have to go""" start="00:10:47.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through and do like the full parsing and like""" start="00:10:50.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""converting, we only have to do it""" start="00:10:51.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""incrementally. 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So we have here a question from""" start="00:11:15.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blaine. If Eaglet is a subset of LSP mode,""" start="00:11:18.240" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can EGLOT conflict with LSP mode if both are""" start="00:11:21.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""present in your initial .el""" start="00:11:23.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file?""" start="00:11:24.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so I haven't played around with EGLOT""" start="00:11:27.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode a ton, so I'm not 100% sure.""" start="00:11:30.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think all of the key bindings and commands,""" start="00:11:33.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you just install it out of the box,""" start="00:11:36.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I Think they're different.""" start="00:11:39.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't think there's like any like""" start="00:11:41.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""overlap as far as that stuff goes but you""" start="00:11:44.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will have the overlap of like you entered,""" start="00:11:47.520" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you started a major mode for like some""" start="00:11:49.780" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""language, like they'll both probably start""" start="00:11:51.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the language server and provide diagnostics""" start="00:11:53.040" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everything. 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Just to let you know,""" start="00:12:14.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have like 1 minute on the stream and then""" start="00:12:20.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll switch back and to the pre-recorded""" start="00:12:22.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuff I guess.""" start="00:12:24.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yeah yeah yeah let's hi sorry for the rude""" start="00:12:27.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interruption but I'm just doing a little bit""" start="00:12:29.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of time keeping so thank you so much Austin""" start="00:12:31.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sadly I wasn't able to follow the Q&A because""" start="00:12:34.340" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was in the other track answering questions.""" start="00:12:36.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If, Austin, you want to stay and answer some""" start="00:12:39.960" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more questions, feel free to do so.""" start="00:12:41.580" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People tend to start talking as soon as we go""" start="00:12:45.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""off air, And I wouldn't be surprised with LSP""" start="00:12:48.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that people would do the same.""" start="00:12:49.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're gonna move on for this track.""" start="00:12:52.800" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're gonna move on in 20 seconds to the next""" start="00:12:54.840" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1. So Floey, thank you for hosting.""" start="00:12:56.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Austin, thank you for all your answers.""" start="00:12:58.680" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And We'll see you in a bit.""" start="00:13:01.460" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool. Thanks. See you.""" start="00:13:04.740" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thanks for the Q&A.""" start="00:13:06.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: All right. All right. You are now off air.""" start="00:13:10.120" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much, Austin.""" start="00:13:11.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to go back running in the""" start="00:13:13.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background. And thank you,""" start="00:13:13.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Flowey, for everything.""" start="00:13:14.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And thanks. Yeah. Have a nice,""" start="00:13:20.900" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably a nice day at your work.""" start="00:13:23.160" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, no worries. Yeah.""" start="00:13:24.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it's still it's like lunchtime for me.""" start="00:13:26.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So okay, here, it's like,""" start="00:13:28.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""09:00. 9pm. Thanks for the talk.""" start="00:13:34.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry for the inconvenience was not having""" start="00:13:36.300" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any, any questions, really.""" start="00:13:37.540" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So yeah. Oh yeah, no worries.""" start="00:13:39.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, there's like no documentation on""" start="00:13:41.100" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any of this stuff. So I didn't really expect""" start="00:13:42.940" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any.""" start="00:13:43.380" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I was kind of interested when I jumped""" start="00:13:47.220" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into NeoVim. I write it 1 or 2 things on my""" start="00:13:51.000" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""own, but never really got really deep into""" start="00:13:53.140" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. And you're gonna see with like compiler""" start="00:13:54.520" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""design and stuff like this,""" start="00:13:55.920" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not really specific.""" start="00:13:57.400" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I was""" start="00:13:58.320" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: kind of- Yeah, that's the hard part.""" start="00:14:00.860" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, it's, LSP is cool,""" start="00:14:02.440" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but then you have to like deal with all the""" start="00:14:05.020" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like compiler stuff and programming language""" start="00:14:06.760" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""theory.""" start="00:14:07.200" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So yeah. So it's, it shouldn't be too""" start="00:14:10.600" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""complicated. I had not really a question,""" start="00:14:13.280" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so, but it worked out fine.""" start="00:14:14.700" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the Q and A.""" start="00:14:16.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if I have any questions to Oak Hamill,""" start="00:14:18.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elderspeak will get an email from you.""" start="00:14:20.640" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah, definitely.""" start="00:14:21.560" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Dan?""" start="00:14:23.500" video="qanda-lspocaml" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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