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I'm doing well. + +00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:13.580 +How are you doing today? + +00:00:16.200 --> 00:00:16.400 +[Speaker 1]: I am doing well and this is the very last + +00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:18.160 +talk of the day so I'm very excited not + +00:00:20.020 --> 00:00:20.279 +because it finishes but because I am tired + +00:00:22.080 --> 00:00:22.580 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah very understandable. + +00:00:23.860 --> 00:00:24.320 +Well thanks for all of your hard work. + +00:00:26.180 --> 00:00:26.320 +We all really appreciate it and all the other + +00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:26.820 +organizers. + +00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:29.160 +[Speaker 1]: and need some sleep. Well on behalf of all + +00:00:30.980 --> 00:00:31.220 +the organizers thank you but you know it all + +00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:34.120 +it makes it all worthwhile when we see the + +00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:36.400 +valuable contribution that every single 1 of + +00:00:37.160 --> 00:00:37.660 +our speakers are making, + +00:00:39.559 --> 00:00:39.920 +not only for recording their talks, + +00:00:42.180 --> 00:00:42.380 +which is a tough demand on people to say, + +00:00:43.420 --> 00:00:43.920 +oh, if you want to go to EmacsConf, + +00:00:45.480 --> 00:00:45.980 +you might want to record your talk. + +00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:49.120 +But then almost all of you do it and you + +00:00:50.440 --> 00:00:50.640 +spend a lot of time with us answering + +00:00:51.580 --> 00:00:51.940 +questions. So we couldn't do it. + +00:00:53.680 --> 00:00:53.900 +You know, we wouldn't be spending as much + +00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:55.460 +energy, half as much energy, + +00:00:58.320 --> 00:00:58.660 +if we didn't believe that it was worth it. + +00:01:01.120 --> 00:01:01.320 +So now it's me thanking you on behalf of all + +00:01:01.480 --> 00:01:01.980 +the speakers. + +00:01:03.900 --> 00:01:04.200 +[Speaker 0]: Well thank you that's part of what I wanted + +00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:06.340 +to get across in my talk was that coming + +00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:09.000 +together and sharing ourselves and you know + +00:01:11.140 --> 00:01:11.320 +not just putting little little essays out + +00:01:13.020 --> 00:01:13.380 +there and single videos but coming together + +00:01:15.720 --> 00:01:15.940 +as a community you know sharing ourselves our + +00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:18.800 +faces our voices you know it really brings us + +00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:20.340 +together and makes everyone stronger. + +00:01:22.940 --> 00:01:23.400 +[Speaker 1]: Exactly, and I think it's been a recurring + +00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:27.440 +theme. Most of the talks we have at + +00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:29.200 +EmacsConf, they're usually about sharing, + +00:01:30.580 --> 00:01:30.800 +obviously, sharing the knowledge that they've + +00:01:32.960 --> 00:01:33.340 +acquired, either writing a package or + +00:01:35.860 --> 00:01:36.040 +learning how to use Emacs as a professor in + +00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:37.700 +academia or stuff like this. + +00:01:39.380 --> 00:01:39.600 +But what I particularly like this year about + +00:01:41.720 --> 00:01:41.960 +the different talks we've had is that they've + +00:01:44.479 --> 00:01:44.979 +really made the sharing even more obvious. + +00:01:46.720 --> 00:01:46.840 +We've had the mentoring this afternoon and we + +00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:49.740 +have your talk about using videos as a + +00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:51.600 +different medium to get into something. + +00:01:54.020 --> 00:01:54.520 +And I really think in terms of accessibility + +00:01:58.780 --> 00:01:58.940 +to Emacs, all of you who talked about this + +00:01:59.960 --> 00:02:00.180 +topic are doing a wonderful job. + +00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:01.900 +So, thank you again for all of this. + +00:02:04.080 --> 00:02:04.240 +[Speaker 0]: Thank you. Yeah, do we have any questions to + +00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:04.860 +be answering? + +00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:08.560 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so only 1 for now and I'll invite + +00:02:10.860 --> 00:02:11.200 +people as usual to please add their question + +00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:13.220 +to the pad or to join us on BBB. + +00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:16.080 +Now the chat is open if you want to join us + +00:02:17.480 --> 00:02:17.980 +on BBB and ask your questions directly. + +00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:20.740 +And in the meantime, I will read the first + +00:02:22.700 --> 00:02:23.200 +question. So, Kroting, + +00:02:25.040 --> 00:02:25.520 +are you using OxReveal to make your slides? + +00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:26.960 +If not, what are you using? + +00:02:27.740 --> 00:02:28.240 +They look very elegant, + +00:02:28.820 --> 00:02:29.320 +and I concur. + +00:02:32.920 --> 00:02:33.420 +[Speaker 0]: That's true. I am using OxReveal. + +00:02:35.320 --> 00:02:35.580 +I have a whole entire video on it. + +00:02:36.020 --> 00:02:36.520 +So if you're interested, + +00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:38.000 +feel free to take a look. + +00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:40.340 +It's very simple to get started with. + +00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:42.780 +There are a lot of different packages to use + +00:02:45.640 --> 00:02:46.140 +Reveal.js and Emacs. OxReveal or OrgReveal + +00:02:47.320 --> 00:02:47.820 +seems to be pretty easy to use. + +00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:49.020 +So try that 1 out. Yeah, + +00:02:49.440 --> 00:02:49.940 +it's really nice. + +00:02:54.020 --> 00:02:54.160 +[Speaker 1]: Awesome. I'm going to give a little bit of + +00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:56.200 +time for the other people to finish writing + +00:02:56.980 --> 00:02:57.260 +their answer. In the meantime, + +00:02:58.260 --> 00:02:58.660 +I'll ask you 1 of my own. + +00:02:59.620 --> 00:02:59.960 +So you said you were in college, + +00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:01.780 +right? In com sci. Sorry, + +00:03:02.980 --> 00:03:03.480 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah. + +00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:07.460 +[Speaker 1]: computer science. I think it's great to find + +00:03:08.860 --> 00:03:09.360 +people in computer science who have, + +00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:12.280 +from the get-go, as soon as their bachelor, + +00:03:16.220 --> 00:03:16.360 +an appetite for sharing and vulgarizing a lot + +00:03:17.780 --> 00:03:17.900 +of knowledge. Because it feels like if you + +00:03:18.540 --> 00:03:18.760 +get started like this, + +00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:20.740 +you're gonna have a well over time as you + +00:03:21.500 --> 00:03:21.820 +progress with the learning. + +00:03:23.720 --> 00:03:23.860 +So I'm very excited to see what you do in the + +00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:25.220 +coming years because of this. + +00:03:26.420 --> 00:03:26.920 +[Speaker 0]: Thank you, thank you, yeah. + +00:03:29.700 --> 00:03:29.860 +And Emacs has been like very central to my + +00:03:32.100 --> 00:03:32.300 +education as well. It's a great way to sort + +00:03:34.460 --> 00:03:34.640 +of organize myself and also it's a good way + +00:03:36.040 --> 00:03:36.220 +to share with other people with Org Mode. + +00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:38.500 +I can export my code, I can export notes. + +00:03:39.340 --> 00:03:39.840 +It makes it so simple. + +00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:42.720 +My peers are also impressed by my PDF + +00:03:44.260 --> 00:03:44.440 +documents and whatever I can produce with + +00:03:48.040 --> 00:03:48.160 +[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah. If only they knew how much time it + +00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:50.340 +takes us to get LaTeX to behave properly. + +00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:52.860 +[Speaker 0]: Emacs. Right, right. I see some more + +00:03:53.980 --> 00:03:54.480 +questions coming in I can answer. + +00:03:56.940 --> 00:03:57.100 +[Speaker 1]: Sure, I'll read it for you so that it's a + +00:03:57.440 --> 00:03:57.940 +little more interactive. + +00:03:59.920 --> 00:04:00.160 +So, second question. Videos can be very + +00:04:01.820 --> 00:04:02.320 +inspirational to learn about something by + +00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:05.360 +watching it used. I often find it, + +00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:07.440 +I often find that I need to do some research + +00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:09.440 +after watching a video to learn more. + +00:04:10.640 --> 00:04:11.040 +Do you give people links to relevant + +00:04:11.820 --> 00:04:12.320 +resources or etc? + +00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:15.300 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah, that's something I could definitely do + +00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:18.300 +more of. When I make a video I try to combine + +00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:20.600 +all the relevant resources and make 1 sort of + +00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:24.100 +cohesive video. I like to think of my video + +00:04:26.580 --> 00:04:26.980 +as a jumping off point to the Emacs manuals + +00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:30.160 +because the manuals are so so full but you + +00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:31.800 +need to have a sort of a cursory + +00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:34.120 +understanding to get started with them. + +00:04:35.440 --> 00:04:35.600 +And then yeah, if there are other sort of + +00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:37.000 +GitHub links or something like that, + +00:04:38.220 --> 00:04:38.720 +I like to put those in the description. + +00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:42.980 +[Speaker 1]: Good question. Right. And I think it's arcing + +00:04:44.820 --> 00:04:45.320 +back also. I keep using the word arcing back. + +00:04:47.420 --> 00:04:47.580 +I'm sorry. It's my... Every EmacsConf I have + +00:04:49.440 --> 00:04:49.640 +1 word or 1 phrase that I keep saying over + +00:04:51.220 --> 00:04:51.360 +and over again and this 1 is not leaving but + +00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:53.240 +don't worry we only have about 1 more hour + +00:04:54.640 --> 00:04:55.140 +and then you're done with me arcing out, + +00:04:59.060 --> 00:04:59.540 +arcing back to stuff. I think this is + +00:05:03.740 --> 00:05:03.960 +reminding me of both the mentoring talk we've + +00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:07.120 +had today about onboarding people basically + +00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:08.600 +so that they can have a well of a time on + +00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:11.240 +their own on Emacs and I'd agree with you, + +00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:13.460 +you know, as much as we like to rave about + +00:05:15.140 --> 00:05:15.640 +Emacs as a self-documenting editor, + +00:05:17.700 --> 00:05:17.860 +about how complete the documentation is, + +00:05:18.940 --> 00:05:19.240 +As you've mentioned in your talk, + +00:05:21.220 --> 00:05:21.720 +it's not accessible directly to the people. + +00:05:23.620 --> 00:05:23.800 +We can yell as much as we want to people on + +00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:26.880 +IRC, you just need to RTFM or you just need + +00:05:29.280 --> 00:05:29.780 +to do Ctrl-H-V for the variable or Ctrl-H-F. + +00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:32.420 +What is a variable? I am not for computer + +00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:33.540 +science. What does it mean? + +00:05:36.580 --> 00:05:36.780 +It is really blocking a lot of people right + +00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:40.960 +from the get-go. And I think the element of + +00:05:42.340 --> 00:05:42.520 +interactivity, as you've mentioned in your + +00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:45.800 +talk, that is introduced by video just makes + +00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:48.020 +the hand-holding that much easier. + +00:05:50.940 --> 00:05:51.440 +And it's great to do it like this. + +00:05:53.400 --> 00:05:53.680 +All right, I think we've got another + +00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:56.320 +questions. What are your fellow codes of + +00:05:57.500 --> 00:05:58.000 +students using for their editors? + +00:06:00.200 --> 00:06:00.540 +What kinds of feedback do you get from them + +00:06:01.960 --> 00:06:02.460 +when they learn about you using Emacs? + +00:06:05.080 --> 00:06:05.580 +[Speaker 0]: That's a great question. + +00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:10.760 +I think professors want to make things, + +00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:12.740 +the entry as simple as possible. + +00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:15.700 +So for the first computer science course and + +00:06:16.640 --> 00:06:17.140 +the second, at least at Columbia, + +00:06:20.380 --> 00:06:20.880 +They use Codeo, which is 1 of those online + +00:06:25.740 --> 00:06:26.040 +whole IDEs. Now in the third course, + +00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:27.680 +which is sort of more the weed out as they + +00:06:29.820 --> 00:06:30.040 +call it, the professor gives you a choice and + +00:06:33.320 --> 00:06:33.820 +he says you can use Emacs or you can use Vim. + +00:06:36.340 --> 00:06:36.680 +And everyone uses Vim. + +00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.220 +Not a single person I know is using Emacs, + +00:06:43.380 --> 00:06:43.520 +simply because the professor's using Vim and + +00:06:45.080 --> 00:06:45.320 +that's what he shows on screen and that's + +00:06:46.640 --> 00:06:47.140 +just what everyone else falls into. + +00:06:50.220 --> 00:06:50.320 +And it's also, like, they're totally in the + +00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:52.320 +terminal, and that can be a big barrier of + +00:06:54.640 --> 00:06:55.140 +entry. So I think they see Emacs as like + +00:06:59.760 --> 00:07:00.060 +something like Vim, but it's not sort of the + +00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:01.960 +same idea. It's not what everyone uses + +00:07:03.840 --> 00:07:03.960 +because it's not what's being shown up on + +00:07:05.220 --> 00:07:05.660 +screen. So if you're not following, + +00:07:06.460 --> 00:07:06.880 +like if you're a new learner, + +00:07:08.300 --> 00:07:08.680 +if you're not following with Vim, + +00:07:10.320 --> 00:07:10.600 +you might have a little bit of a harder time + +00:07:12.740 --> 00:07:12.940 +in these classes because everyone else is + +00:07:14.060 --> 00:07:14.560 +also using Vim. + +00:07:19.640 --> 00:07:19.920 +[Speaker 1]: Right. And I'm kind of reminded again, + +00:07:21.260 --> 00:07:21.640 +it feels like this is the last talk, + +00:07:24.020 --> 00:07:24.280 +so I'm reminiscing of all the different talks + +00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:26.000 +we've had on the general chat, + +00:07:28.340 --> 00:07:28.580 +at least. And you know, + +00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:31.020 +it feels like we had, you know, + +00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:34.660 +this 1 talk, I can't remember the first name + +00:07:36.340 --> 00:07:36.680 +at the presentation, but it was about forcing + +00:07:38.760 --> 00:07:38.940 +people to use Emacs and not giving them the + +00:07:41.860 --> 00:07:42.040 +choice to do this. And I found it to be such + +00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:45.420 +a powerful move to do because usually people, + +00:07:47.440 --> 00:07:47.720 +maybe some classes are actually forcing Vim + +00:07:49.540 --> 00:07:49.920 +because it's a little more palatable I guess. + +00:07:51.020 --> 00:07:51.520 +Do you have something to say on this? + +00:07:53.760 --> 00:07:53.940 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah let me actually, I've remembered 1 + +00:07:55.380 --> 00:07:55.720 +thing, I know there's another course, + +00:07:58.880 --> 00:07:59.060 +a fourth course you'd say in assembly and the + +00:08:00.960 --> 00:08:01.460 +professor suggests Emacs. + +00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:04.340 +However I know that's just 1 professor so I + +00:08:06.740 --> 00:08:06.980 +think broadly Vim is more of the standard and + +00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:08.480 +yeah what were you, can you repeat what you + +00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:10.380 +said about Vim being more sort of friendly? + +00:08:12.880 --> 00:08:13.260 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because it's not, + +00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:15.200 +okay, I'm quoting the opinions of other, + +00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:17.540 +you know, I would hate to insult Emacs and + +00:08:19.400 --> 00:08:19.840 +give myself a bad rep at Emacs comfortable + +00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:23.660 +things. But it feels like because modal + +00:08:26.280 --> 00:08:26.520 +editing is usually something that people hear + +00:08:28.260 --> 00:08:28.420 +from when it starts looking into how to be + +00:08:30.460 --> 00:08:30.920 +more efficient when they read text. + +00:08:32.220 --> 00:08:32.720 +It feels like the first door, + +00:08:35.140 --> 00:08:35.640 +the closest door to this is Vim. + +00:08:36.380 --> 00:08:36.880 +And so a lot of professors, + +00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:40.220 +because there's very little on-boarding, + +00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:41.980 +I mean, I'm going to say the word on-boarding + +00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:43.140 +and then I'm going to modulate, + +00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:44.760 +but there's very little on-boarding to get + +00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:47.480 +into modal editing. You just have your H's + +00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:50.380 +and your J's and your K's and your L's and + +00:08:51.020 --> 00:08:51.180 +everything works. You know, + +00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:52.680 +it does something, yes, + +00:08:53.640 --> 00:08:53.960 +the arrows are in weird places, + +00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:55.580 +but it does something that is vaguely + +00:08:58.260 --> 00:08:58.760 +logical. Whereas with Ctrl-Meta, + +00:09:03.380 --> 00:09:03.560 +Hyper, Super, J and then Ctrl-C and Meta 4 + +00:09:04.560 --> 00:09:05.060 +for good measure, you know, + +00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:08.140 +It already feels a little more opaque in + +00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:10.460 +terms of how people are going to use this. + +00:09:13.780 --> 00:09:13.940 +So, I think it's also 1 good thing about the + +00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:16.020 +videos is that people can see you're not + +00:09:17.900 --> 00:09:18.400 +contorting your hands in very difficult + +00:09:20.920 --> 00:09:21.420 +shapes to use Emacs as the bad rep usually + +00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:24.620 +is. But yeah, to come back to what I was + +00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:27.040 +saying about Vim, I just feel like they've + +00:09:30.460 --> 00:09:30.760 +won the battle in terms of looking very + +00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:34.340 +accessible. And for us with Emacs, + +00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:37.580 +from the top of our ivory tower, + +00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:40.440 +we see the ease of getting into Vim, + +00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:43.660 +but we always think, but Vim script is shit, + +00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:45.040 +we've got Elisp for us, + +00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:46.820 +We can do so many things on our end. + +00:09:51.180 --> 00:09:51.340 +So yeah, does that evoke anything to you with + +00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:53.160 +regards to Vim versus Emacs in terms of + +00:09:53.160 --> 00:09:53.660 +apprehension? + +00:09:56.820 --> 00:09:57.040 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I think that Emacs might be more + +00:09:59.320 --> 00:09:59.540 +straightforward if you just plop someone down + +00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:01.780 +in front of their computer because you press + +00:10:03.800 --> 00:10:04.300 +H, you're going to see an H on the screen, + +00:10:06.780 --> 00:10:07.280 +right? And Vim is a whole new modal mindset. + +00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:10.380 +So for a student who wants to like gain + +00:10:13.540 --> 00:10:13.740 +efficiency, then yes, I think that Vim is + +00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:15.360 +definitely like, it feels like a more + +00:10:16.280 --> 00:10:16.760 +friendly introduction. + +00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:18.600 +But I think that Emacs doesn't get enough + +00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:20.680 +credit around here. And I'd like to see it + +00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:23.460 +more often, because a lot of students, + +00:10:25.640 --> 00:10:26.140 +they're not looking to fix the efficiencies + +00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:28.580 +in their text editing. + +00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:31.780 +They're looking to fix the efficiencies in + +00:10:33.620 --> 00:10:34.120 +how they do homework or how they do their + +00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:35.140 +programming assignments, + +00:10:37.280 --> 00:10:37.540 +and they would save time if they, + +00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:39.820 +or at least the mentality for a student, + +00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:42.720 +is that if you can just get it done more + +00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:44.160 +quickly, like it's more, + +00:10:45.540 --> 00:10:45.720 +you know, you do what you're used to, + +00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:49.300 +and Vim is just a barrier towards you know + +00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:51.180 +getting your work done like how do I copy and + +00:10:52.800 --> 00:10:52.960 +paste something it's a whole new set of + +00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:55.280 +challenges to learn so I think both have + +00:10:56.920 --> 00:10:57.420 +their deficiencies and abilities. + +00:11:00.760 --> 00:11:00.920 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah it's funny because I'm just 1 last thing + +00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:03.680 +on this it feels like modal editing because + +00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:05.860 +it is already weird from the get-go, + +00:11:08.260 --> 00:11:08.640 +perhaps it might do a better job of making + +00:11:10.640 --> 00:11:10.760 +people uneasy. You know how we say that + +00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:12.100 +constraints breeds creativity. + +00:11:14.820 --> 00:11:15.180 +Well, Vim constrains you from the get-go. + +00:11:16.160 --> 00:11:16.620 +If you do not press I, + +00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:18.420 +nothing is going to show up in the buffer + +00:11:19.040 --> 00:11:19.540 +that you're currently editing. + +00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:22.000 +Whereas Emacs give you this full sense of + +00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:24.500 +security by when you press J, + +00:11:27.860 --> 00:11:28.360 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah, true. + +00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:29.760 +[Speaker 1]: it actually inputs J. All right, + +00:11:30.540 --> 00:11:30.840 +moving on to another question. + +00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:32.540 +And by the way, we've got some time. + +00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:35.240 +We have technically about 6 more minutes, + +00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:38.940 +but I see Sasha on the other track is already + +00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:40.640 +answering questions that I'm in about + +00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:43.320 +EmacsConf. So we can go a little longer, + +00:11:44.760 --> 00:11:45.040 +as long as I let the organizers know. + +00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:46.200 +So we've got about, let's say, + +00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:48.320 +6 minutes for now. And we'll see if more + +00:11:50.020 --> 00:11:50.220 +questions crop up. All right, + +00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:51.540 +moving on to the next question. + +00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:53.760 +Did you start those university classes using + +00:11:55.180 --> 00:11:55.680 +Emacs, I suppose, in your first year? + +00:12:01.640 --> 00:12:01.780 +[Speaker 0]: Yes, yeah, I did. I started with Emacs 2 + +00:12:02.780 --> 00:12:03.120 +years before entering college, + +00:12:04.280 --> 00:12:04.780 +so my junior year of high school. + +00:12:09.220 --> 00:12:09.480 +And I've basically over time built up a + +00:12:11.180 --> 00:12:11.680 +workflow of how I will take my notes, + +00:12:12.900 --> 00:12:13.400 +how I will organize my classes. + +00:12:16.280 --> 00:12:16.780 +And now that I'm taking programming classes + +00:12:18.280 --> 00:12:18.780 +where Emacs might be more acceptable. + +00:12:21.500 --> 00:12:22.000 +It's even enhanced my workflow. + +00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:25.260 +Taking notes in Ouro for program assists, + +00:12:27.540 --> 00:12:27.720 +everyone talks about it, + +00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:30.880 +but from the source, It doesn't get better + +00:12:32.860 --> 00:12:33.080 +than that, being able to write with + +00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:34.780 +highlighting, with syntax highlighting, + +00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:38.720 +with easy exports, running inline code + +00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:41.380 +blocks. And a lot of these programming + +00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:43.460 +classes, they make you code on a server. + +00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:45.320 +And they just say, oh, + +00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:46.980 +SSH, and you can use Vim. + +00:12:48.560 --> 00:12:49.040 +I can use Tramp, and I can use Emacs, + +00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:50.940 +and I'm perfectly at home. + +00:12:52.760 --> 00:12:53.260 +It's just such a seamless transition. + +00:12:55.380 --> 00:12:55.760 +It's a really amazing way to do school. + +00:12:58.260 --> 00:12:58.580 +Professors, you know, all they want is a PDF + +00:12:59.220 --> 00:12:59.340 +at the end of the day. + +00:13:00.520 --> 00:13:01.020 +They just want the paper on their desk. + +00:13:03.420 --> 00:13:03.560 +They're not so picky about how you get it + +00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:05.340 +there. They just want it in their hands. + +00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:07.540 +So, so Emacs is, it's very usable. + +00:13:08.040 --> 00:13:08.540 +It's very doable. + +00:13:11.280 --> 00:13:11.580 +[Speaker 1]: Right. I've got a little anecdote on this + +00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:13.860 +because you're speaking about the topic of + +00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:16.280 +Emacs at university from the perspective of + +00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:18.100 +someone who is in computer science. + +00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:20.340 +But for me, in the humanities, + +00:13:22.900 --> 00:13:23.080 +I just remember those professors who just + +00:13:24.940 --> 00:13:25.440 +required you not to use your laptop. + +00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:28.780 +And I started with Emacs roughly at the same + +00:13:32.460 --> 00:13:32.700 +age as you did. And I was just using it for + +00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:33.580 +absolutely everything, + +00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:35.740 +for my organization, for producing papers. + +00:13:37.860 --> 00:13:38.000 +And to be told that I could not use Emacs for + +00:13:38.680 --> 00:13:39.180 +a class for my note-taking, + +00:13:43.660 --> 00:13:43.860 +I felt utterly naked in the face of what I + +00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:46.720 +needed to do. And yeah, + +00:13:47.800 --> 00:13:48.120 +it's great to see those different + +00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:49.540 +experiences. And it just, + +00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:50.800 +you're always going to be weird. + +00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:53.120 +Like I was the weird guy using Emacs in the + +00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:55.080 +humanities, but I would have been weird using + +00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:58.940 +Vim or any kind of computers with fancy + +00:13:59.060 --> 00:13:59.560 +editing. + +00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:02.580 +[Speaker 0]: Oh yeah, yeah. And I'm in humanities classes + +00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:04.340 +as well, I'm not in a strictly engineering, + +00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:06.880 +so people will see me writing an essay about, + +00:14:07.780 --> 00:14:08.080 +you know, a philosophy essay, + +00:14:09.820 --> 00:14:09.960 +I was working on an essay about Plato and + +00:14:11.180 --> 00:14:11.680 +Aristotle, and they say, + +00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:14.040 +what are you coding, why are you coding your + +00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:16.880 +essay? And I say, well it's just the font + +00:14:17.560 --> 00:14:18.060 +looks a little bit different. + +00:14:19.300 --> 00:14:19.640 +Everything else is the same words, + +00:14:20.800 --> 00:14:21.100 +just the font looks a little different. + +00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:22.660 +This is how I like to do it. + +00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:25.760 +[Speaker 1]: Oh, those pesky monospace fonts are making us + +00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:28.020 +pass as hackers. But for everyone who is + +00:14:29.060 --> 00:14:29.560 +behind us, looking at our monitors. + +00:14:30.040 --> 00:14:30.540 +[Speaker 0]: Exactly. + +00:14:33.900 --> 00:14:34.280 +[Speaker 1]: All right. A little bit of a remark, + +00:14:35.760 --> 00:14:36.020 +I guess, towards me and what I said about + +00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:37.860 +Vim. So, quoting, before NeoVim, + +00:14:39.140 --> 00:14:39.640 +you had to do as much or more configuration + +00:14:41.280 --> 00:14:41.760 +to get basic editing done than in Emacs. + +00:14:43.520 --> 00:14:43.780 +It's also slower with modal editing compared + +00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:45.520 +to Emacs key bindings because you have to + +00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:47.640 +press escape and 2 keys to get things done. + +00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:49.540 +While in Emacs, you only have to press Ctrl + +00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:52.360 +or Meta something to move or search or + +00:14:53.400 --> 00:14:53.900 +whatever, and then write. + +00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:56.460 +And I tend to agree, I'm not familiar with + +00:14:59.260 --> 00:14:59.760 +the ages before NeoVim, + +00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:03.620 +But I think we are mostly talking in terms of + +00:15:04.900 --> 00:15:05.400 +reputation and communication, + +00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:08.480 +like how is Vim considered nowadays or for + +00:15:10.760 --> 00:15:11.260 +the last 10 years in the mindset of people + +00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:14.240 +choosing or about to choose an editor. + +00:15:17.620 --> 00:15:17.860 +And, You know, I keep spitting the fact about + +00:15:19.340 --> 00:15:19.480 +VimScript being bad, but I'm going to be + +00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:20.980 +honest, I've never actually written any + +00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:24.400 +VimScript. I'm just parroting whatever the + +00:15:26.760 --> 00:15:26.960 +giants with shoulders I'm standing have been + +00:15:28.260 --> 00:15:28.740 +saying to me. And it's not very intelligent, + +00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:31.280 +I know, but We also have a very limited pool + +00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:34.540 +of time, and I also think that this is a + +00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:36.960 +point that your talk addresses in a way. + +00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:40.740 +Yes, we could be starting the massive quest + +00:15:42.740 --> 00:15:43.180 +of reading the Emacs manual or the ELISP + +00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:45.480 +introductory guide or the ELISP complete + +00:15:47.620 --> 00:15:48.120 +guide. A lot of people are trying, + +00:15:48.940 --> 00:15:49.440 +very highly motivated, + +00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:51.220 +I'm going to get started on Emacs and I'm + +00:15:51.940 --> 00:15:52.440 +going to do things right. + +00:15:53.760 --> 00:15:54.260 +But the fact of the matter is, + +00:15:56.580 --> 00:15:56.820 +it's not necessarily a good use of your time + +00:15:57.740 --> 00:15:58.240 +to get started like this, + +00:16:00.680 --> 00:16:00.840 +because there are so many things you're not + +00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:03.660 +going to understand, it kind of goes back, + +00:16:04.640 --> 00:16:04.920 +didn't say iBug this time, + +00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:08.200 +I stopped myself, it kind of goes back to + +00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:11.240 +this I plus 1 Vigoski proximals on + +00:16:12.740 --> 00:16:12.940 +development stuff that I was talking about + +00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:16.520 +before. The manual is I plus 999. + +00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:21.140 +Your video might be I plus 3 or I plus 2 and + +00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:23.480 +the hand-holding really does wonders for + +00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:26.400 +people to eventually get closer to reading + +00:16:27.540 --> 00:16:28.040 +the manuals and stuff like this. + +00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:31.500 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah it's a great way just something about + +00:16:33.160 --> 00:16:33.660 +giving someone those practical + +00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:35.240 +demonstrations, that's something I really + +00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:37.080 +appreciate. A lot of these really nice + +00:16:38.520 --> 00:16:39.020 +presentations we've had today and yesterday + +00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:42.100 +show real life use cases and we get to see + +00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:44.480 +people typing and they're working how they + +00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:46.920 +would normally work. And that's a great way + +00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:49.200 +to begin to understand how you can apply a + +00:16:50.680 --> 00:16:50.800 +tool to yourself because at the end of the + +00:16:52.040 --> 00:16:52.360 +day Emacs is a tool for us. + +00:16:53.760 --> 00:16:54.060 +You know we might take joy in it, + +00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:55.440 +it helps us be more productive, + +00:16:58.040 --> 00:16:58.540 +it's fun but we're using it for a certain end + +00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:01.080 +and you know if we how we can understand to + +00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:03.280 +get to those ends and what those ends might + +00:17:05.740 --> 00:17:06.240 +even be. It's just great to see other people + +00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:07.940 +bring that forth for you. + +00:17:12.380 --> 00:17:12.619 +[Speaker 1]: Okay, great. Well, I don't see any more + +00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:14.480 +questions in the chat currently, + +00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:17.160 +and I don't see anyone who's joined us on the + +00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:19.760 +blue button. We are near the time that I said + +00:17:22.420 --> 00:17:22.920 +we've got about 40 seconds to go until we + +00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:24.400 +were due to end. Jacob, + +00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:26.240 +I kind of want to give you the microphone for + +00:17:27.339 --> 00:17:27.500 +the end. Do you have anything to say? + +00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:28.680 +Like you've talked about your YouTube + +00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:30.720 +channel, we've already ensured that the links + +00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:32.360 +will be everywhere on the talk page, + +00:17:34.280 --> 00:17:34.640 +in the pad, on IRC. But is there anything + +00:17:35.540 --> 00:17:35.740 +else you'd like to add? + +00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:37.620 +Because you're the last speaker of EmacsCon, + +00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:40.140 +and you've got the tough responsibility of + +00:17:42.040 --> 00:17:42.540 +finishing it. + +00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:45.920 +[Speaker 0]: Oh, well, that's not tough at all when we've + +00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:47.960 +had 2 days. I mean, so many people, + +00:17:51.300 --> 00:17:51.440 +so many presenters coming together and like I + +00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:53.140 +said right at the beginning to Leo, + +00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:55.200 +putting your face out there, + +00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:56.680 +putting your voice out there, + +00:17:57.620 --> 00:17:58.120 +putting yourself out there, + +00:18:00.060 --> 00:18:00.380 +it's such a great way to come together + +00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:02.580 +because Emacs is not the standard. + +00:18:04.540 --> 00:18:04.820 +You know, I've tried to teach my friends + +00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:06.540 +Emacs, I've tried to show it to them. + +00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:08.480 +You know, some people you get it or you + +00:18:10.320 --> 00:18:10.600 +don't. And the people who get it, + +00:18:11.740 --> 00:18:12.240 +we're not all in the same place. + +00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:13.940 +And it's great. + +00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:15.860 +[Speaker 1]: I'm interrupting you for a second because I + +00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:18.460 +think we were supposed to kill the the cron + +00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:20.720 +which starts the next meeting and it hasn't. + +00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:22.940 +Let me try to fix it. I'll talk to production + +00:18:25.360 --> 00:18:25.860 +[Speaker 0]: Do I wait or keep going? + +00:18:27.360 --> 00:18:27.560 +[Speaker 1]: in a second. Just wait a bit. + +00:18:29.260 --> 00:18:29.440 +I'm very sorry. I've given you the mic and + +00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:35.440 +then it just... Okay let me just check your + +00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:35.940 +production. + +00:18:59.660 --> 00:18:59.720 +What? All right, Jason. + +00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:01.120 +All right, Jacob, I'm going to put us + +00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:02.320 +manually back on track. + +00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:03.580 +So give me just a second. + +00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:04.720 +[Speaker 0]: Right. + +00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:09.740 +[Speaker 1]: I'm going to manually type the URL, + +00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:12.720 +because it's a janky setup that we've got + +00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:14.440 +right now, when whenever it's not working. + +00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:20.900 +All right. So tps slash slash bbb emacs first + +00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:23.500 +dot org html. No, that's not the 1. + +00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:27.440 +Let me try to type it. + +00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:28.400 +Probably. Bbbemaxfirst. + +00:19:42.700 --> 00:19:43.180 +L5H, R5D, BH0 Okay, we're getting back Okay, + +00:19:44.380 --> 00:19:44.740 +sorry folks about this We are, + +00:19:45.360 --> 00:19:45.860 +Jacob, We're back online. + +00:19:46.800 --> 00:19:47.080 +I'm really sorry about this. + +00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:49.540 +It's just that Sasha's script kicked in. + +00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:51.280 +I did tell you we were supposed to finish at + +00:19:53.940 --> 00:19:54.060 +30. And because Sasha is busy presenting in + +00:19:54.940 --> 00:19:55.320 +the other room, sadly, + +00:19:57.100 --> 00:19:57.400 +we got yanked again. So Jacob, + +00:19:58.280 --> 00:19:58.780 +I'm very sorry for the interruption. + +00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:01.560 +And you were retelling people about something + +00:20:02.320 --> 00:20:02.820 +you told me during the check-ins. + +00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:04.940 +Do you mind restarting this? + +00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:09.660 +[Speaker 0]: Yeah, sure. Well, you said I have the no + +00:20:12.180 --> 00:20:12.480 +small task of making the last words from + +00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:14.640 +presenters and not the organizers at + +00:20:16.260 --> 00:20:16.500 +EmacsConf. And I said, + +00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:18.380 +well, that's not hard at all. + +00:20:20.540 --> 00:20:20.760 +How many speakers have we had? + +00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:24.860 +30? And it's so incredible these past, + +00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:27.080 +you know, today and yesterday to have all + +00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:29.960 +been able to come together and not just share + +00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:34.420 +our ideas and our code and how we do things, + +00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:38.300 +but to share our faces and our voices and our + +00:20:39.780 --> 00:20:40.120 +lives, you know a little bit of our lives. + +00:20:42.100 --> 00:20:42.380 +You know to have the passion to even spend + +00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:45.400 +the time to on your weekend to watch this + +00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:47.660 +means that you have some sort of care about + +00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:49.660 +Emacs and it adds to your life. + +00:20:51.820 --> 00:20:52.080 +And you know those Emacs people aren't + +00:20:53.620 --> 00:20:53.980 +everywhere. I've tried to bring my friends + +00:20:56.040 --> 00:20:56.320 +onto Emacs and it seems like you know you're + +00:20:58.900 --> 00:20:59.220 +an Emacs person or you're not really an Emacs + +00:21:02.360 --> 00:21:02.640 +person. And those Emacs people can be really + +00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:05.000 +spread out. So it's great that we're able to + +00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:08.000 +come together and share a little bit of + +00:21:09.760 --> 00:21:10.260 +ourselves, a little bit of how we do things. + +00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:12.720 +And like I said in my talk, + +00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:15.880 +just increase our own joy in Emacs by coming + +00:21:19.360 --> 00:21:19.540 +together and being able to share our joy in + +00:21:21.760 --> 00:21:21.900 +Emacs. And of course, thank you to all the + +00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:25.120 +organizers and everyone who's contributed in + +00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:28.380 +any way. It means a lot to even the smallest + +00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:30.200 +member, the biggest member of our community. + +00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:33.700 +We're all really glad to be able to come + +00:21:36.300 --> 00:21:36.520 +together like this and share and meet each + +00:21:37.820 --> 00:21:38.320 +other and give nice talks. + +00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:40.440 +[Speaker 1]: Well, thank you so much, + +00:21:42.340 --> 00:21:42.780 +Jacob. And perhaps to reassure people, + +00:21:44.900 --> 00:21:45.060 +because yes, right now it feels like we are + +00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:47.300 +legions, all of us here in the same room + +00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:48.400 +watching the same thing. + +00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:50.900 +We are the Emacs' and that's a very good + +00:21:52.540 --> 00:21:52.840 +feeling to have. But you know, + +00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:55.140 +first, there's 1 thing that is certain, + +00:21:58.380 --> 00:21:58.660 +almost 99% certain, it's the fact that next + +00:22:00.300 --> 00:22:00.800 +year there'll probably be another EmacsConf + +00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:03.340 +and there will be more Emacs versions, + +00:22:04.540 --> 00:22:04.940 +there will be more augmented versions, + +00:22:07.300 --> 00:22:07.480 +there will be more people doing cool stuff on + +00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.040 +Melpa, on ELPA, etc. So it is still a vibrant + +00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:14.700 +community. But in case you're craving this + +00:22:17.260 --> 00:22:17.760 +little extra in-person stuff, + +00:22:20.280 --> 00:22:20.500 +Sash and myself, we are maintaining a list of + +00:22:21.560 --> 00:22:21.820 +all the Emacs user group. + +00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:23.080 +This is on the Emacs wiki. + +00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:24.440 +This is what I'm sharing on my screen + +00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:27.720 +currently. And we try to organize them by + +00:22:30.100 --> 00:22:30.340 +regional region, sorry, + +00:22:31.560 --> 00:22:32.020 +parts of the world like North America, + +00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.120 +South America, Europe, + +00:22:36.300 --> 00:22:36.680 +Africa, Asia. And we have a list of upcoming + +00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:39.500 +events and a lot of them are still online. + +00:22:41.420 --> 00:22:41.920 +Ever since we had the entire pandemic stuff, + +00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:47.440 +a lot of the workshops moved online and, + +00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:50.320 +sorry, I had someone whispering in my ear. + +00:22:53.100 --> 00:22:53.400 +A lot of them moved online and they are still + +00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.080 +online now because they've realized it's a + +00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:57.280 +very great way to get more people in the same + +00:22:59.640 --> 00:22:59.960 +place. And whilst it's great to have + +00:23:01.560 --> 00:23:01.920 +in-person meetings, We do this with Emacs + +00:23:05.140 --> 00:23:05.340 +Paris. Emacs Paris actually is happening is + +00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:07.840 +it? I think, oh I'm going to need to tell + +00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:10.280 +Sasha that apparently yes we do not have the + +00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:12.600 +next event for Emacs Paris which is next + +00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:15.140 +Tuesday and it is in person but for everyone + +00:23:18.580 --> 00:23:18.740 +and including you Jacob if you find a + +00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:20.640 +workshop in North America that is working for + +00:23:22.540 --> 00:23:23.020 +you, I'm thinking about Emacs SF, + +00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:24.940 +which I've attended multiple times, + +00:23:27.980 --> 00:23:28.220 +and Emacs Austin as well, + +00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:29.340 +that I've been to once, + +00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:31.780 +I think, It would be a lovely experience and + +00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:34.540 +a way to, most of them are every month, + +00:23:36.040 --> 00:23:36.160 +it would be a good way for you to stay in + +00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:39.440 +touch and to continue this sense of + +00:23:40.580 --> 00:23:41.080 +in-person-ness about Emacs. + +00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:46.800 +[Speaker 0]: Wonderful. All right, thank you so much. + +00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:49.400 +Should I drop off of our call now and let you + +00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:50.500 +close things up? + +00:23:52.600 --> 00:23:52.760 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're probably gonna close thing up. + +00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:53.940 +Let me just check on Sasha. + +00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:55.560 +Sasha is obviously answering many many + +00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:57.660 +questions about how we are organizing + +00:23:59.540 --> 00:23:59.640 +EmacsConf. So Jacob, I'm gonna let you go. + +00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:01.680 +Thank you so much for your presentation and + +00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:03.920 +your answers. And maybe we'll see you next + +00:24:05.020 --> 00:24:05.240 +year. Or maybe a workshop. + +00:24:06.820 --> 00:24:07.320 +[Speaker 0]: Who knows? I'm so lucky I got you as my Q&A. + +00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:10.760 +When I saw you at my first Emacs Conf 2 years + +00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:13.240 +ago, I thought, maybe this guy will do mine. + +00:24:18.840 --> 00:24:19.240 +[Speaker 1]: Very nice. Thank you. I'm glad I was able to + +00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:20.280 +generate such a feeling. + +00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:22.100 +All right, I'll get going now. + +00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:23.760 +Jacob, have a wonderful evening. + +00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:24.140 +[Speaker 0]: And here you are. You too, + +00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:24.900 +see you later. + +00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:28.320 +[Speaker 1]: Bye-bye. And folks, what are we going to do + +00:24:30.300 --> 00:24:30.520 +right now? I'm going to set everything up so + +00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:33.020 +that we can get Sasha finished on the talk. + +00:24:34.840 --> 00:24:35.060 +If you're watching, squinting with both + +00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:38.080 +streams, you can go to Sasha's room, + +00:24:39.520 --> 00:24:40.020 +I mean, the development track, + +00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:42.680 +to maybe catch some of the answers by Sasha. + +00:24:45.040 --> 00:24:45.160 +Otherwise, we'll be back in roughly 5 to 10 + +00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:47.120 +minutes to do the closing remarks on this + +00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:48.040 +channel. In the meantime, + +00:24:48.840 --> 00:24:49.340 +I'll put on some music. + +00:24:51.300 --> 00:24:51.800 +So bear with us and I'll see you shortly. + +00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.160 +And closing here. This BBB recording. + +00:25:16.360 --> 00:25:16.860 +Yay! |