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I then outline how to go about +implementing this idea. + +Afterwards I would very much like to get a discussion started together. + +Discussions: + +- <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33849556> + +# Discussion + +## Notes + +- Call to action - let Michael know if you know anyone else working on + something like this so they can collaborate and not duplicate + effort. +- Site (coming soon): perma-curious.eu +- I am an EXWM user and would be very happy to test your code! Looks great! +- I know of many people quitting EXWM because of the lack of active development. Your project could be a kind of revival! +- I would be interested to try it out. I'm on sway right now. +- What I mean is that people are moving to other WMs which work or are planned to work with Wayland +- sway.el might have something that could be used +- Feedback: + - Thank you very much for the talk and the work. + - Thank you for sharing your amazing work! + - Yes, thank you for the talk, looks really promising + - thank you for the talk + - Thanks and great job! + +## Questions and answers + +- Q: Are you using it as a replacement of EXWM? + - A: No, not yet, but I'm planning to. +- Q:Is this testable? + - A: +- Q: Have you considered contributing it to emacs core? + - A: +- Q:Question: this is wayland compositor in Emacs? What different with + XReprarent in X11 ? + - A:No, I planned it, but no. Does not handle file descriptors. + It's a compositor that talks to Emacs. etc. I don't know what + XReparent is; have to skip that. +- Q:What does it mean for emacs to be "a wayland compositor"? What + can the end users do with it? + - A: +- Q: How would multiple monitors be handled? Separate Frames? + - A: +- Q: Could you make it so you can restart emacs without loging out; + or switch to non emacs buffers while emacs is blocking: these are + the biggest issues with EXWM? Maybe in the future with a different + ui for non emacs buffers. + - A: +- Q:Did this project can implement *mirror* of buffer for Emacs + different window? + - A: +- Q:How does the single-threaded affects the project? + - A: +- Q:this technology need write wayland server? Can it works with + Gnome3 ? + - A: +- Q: Could there be a emacs-wayland-server and just connect with + emacsclient? + - A: +- Q: When you share your code, could you provide the equivalent of an + .xsession script for those who are on EXWM and want to test? + - A: +- Q: there have a demo to show this emacs-wayland-compositor, even it + buggy now? Just curious. ;) + - A: +- Q: So the current limitation is that buffer mirroring doesn't respect different widths/heights? + - A:(answered - transcript tbd) +- Q:Could you use some of this package with other walyand compositers + "probably not all of it" , sway, kde, river, gnome. + - A:(answered - transcript tbd) +- Q:Will Wayland support reach feature parity with EXWM in the future? + Will there be other tradeoffs? + - A:(answered - transcript tbd) +- Q: What is the biggest difference between Xorg and wayland that you + have found? + - A:(answered - transcript tbd) +- Q: Did you know EAF + <https://github.com/emacs-eaf/emacs-application-framework> ? +- Q: Do you have the code available somewhere (git repo)? + - <https://perma-curious.eu> +- Q: So the current limitation is that buffer mirroring doesn't respect different widths/heights? + +Other discussions from IRC: + +- If I understand correctly, this project is more like philosophy of EXWM, but it not based on X11, instead based on Wayland. + + +[[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/wayland-after)" raw="yes"]] + +[[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/wayland-nav)" raw="yes"]] + + |