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(without + detriment to supporting devs!!) + - A: There isn't much in terms of ongoing costs (just hosting + <https://orgmode.org> really), but donations are great for + dignifying the work done, indicating the value it has to the + community, motivating developers, and also helping + justify/enable more time to be spent working on Org. +- Q: What is the use of parsers in other languages? Is it to make org + available in other applications? + - A:Org is being used outside Emacs (e.g. Hugo, Logseq, rendering + on GitHub/GitLab/Gitea), and so it's worth trying to make sure + they treat the syntax in a consistent manner. Similarly, if + people build nice tools for Org outside Emacs, that's nice for + us :) + - Voit: Shameless plug: + <https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/README.org> + is also an idea to promote the syntax of Org mode in tools + outside of Emacs. After all, everybody is getting advantages + when Orgdown (syntax of Org mode; often named "org" but it's + frequently mixed up with the Elisp implementation) is a rather + popular syntax. +- Q: citar package is a really pleasant addition with support for + org-style citations. What's your take? + - A: Citar is great, IMO +- Q: How many hours a week do you spend contributing to org? + - A: It varies a lot. It's also a bit difficult to say, because + there have been a fair few patch sets which have been + "incubated" in my config before brining them to Org mode, and + so I need to detangle "time spent tinkering on Org in my + config" and "time spent working on patches for Org mode". + Some weeks it's ~0h, others it might be as much as ~30h. The + average might sit around ~5h, but that's just a wild guess. +- Q: As a fan of emacs org-mode and Julia myself too, do you see any + possiblities/wishes/plans to somehow connect org and julia evenmore + (apart from ob-julia). Perhaps a julia parser of org-mode, or + something like that? Just wanna personally thank you for all the + effort in org, emacs and julia you are putting throughout! I have + learned quite a bit about doom emacs config from your blogs too. I + feel like our setup/interest overlaps quite a bit, and its always + helpful too see your work out there. Thanks again, keep up the great + work! + - A: Wait a few slides 😉 (<https://github.com/tecosaur/Org.jl>) +- Q: "Org", "Org-mode", "org-mode", "Org/Org-mode"? Which one + for the format/notation and which one for the software proper, and + then the whole thing (with org-contrib and third-party packages) vs + just the repo and major mode per se? + - A: "Org mode" for the project, "org-mode" for the major + mode, "Org" for the format +- Q: How much time/week do you spend editing your doom config? + - A: Err, too much 😆 + - I feel that :D +- Q:In your doom configs, you like using variables fonts and stuff, + basically a lot visuals everywhere. I feel that it makes everything + sluggish. Am I doing something wrong? Maybe there are less visible + tricks in your config? + - A: It doesn't make things slow enough that I care, basically. + Doom does some nice performance stuff, and I try to go for + deferred loading and look for text-properties over overlays for + performance in visual packages. As for varaible pitch fonts + look, that's handled by Harfbuzz not elisp AFAIK (and so + doesn't really affect performance). +- Q: Do you use linux or mac system? What kinds if not a secret?Q + - Linux, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed specifically +- Q: I wonder why the export to HTML has not been modernized. Any particular reason? + - A: It's going to take a whole lot of time an effort. I take that as being more flexible and better able to suit "modern HTML/CSS" usage. Incidentally, the HTML and Markdown backends are two things I'd like to have a look at next year (if I end up having the time). +- Q: haven't looked at citation support at all yet, any great intro articles out there? + - I may be (am) biased, but try https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html 🙂 + - More discussion about citations: + - and I have found the citar package a really pleasant addition with support for org-style citations + - Citar is great, IMO + - Citar is indeed great. I have been meaning to switch to Citar from ivy-bibtex, but honestly I am just being lazy + - I am not sure as I haven't used ivy-bibtex. I am half-way migrating away from org-ref but will likely keep that around for a while longer (mostly for old links and its doi-utils import functions) + - I found citar really easy to set up and get started with. Very clear and clean entry points +- Org mode outside of Emacs: https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Tool-Support.org + - A: Also https://orgmode.org/tools.html 🙂 +- your visuals have always been charachteristic, where did you learn that? in the sense that I can reasonably guess you made something when I see the result. I was also thinking about your config or the survey website, or are they inspired by that theme? + - A: I think that's just "themed Beamer metropolis". I do also naturally go to light themed content with a pale yellow-y background. +- Q: "Org", "Org-mode", "org-mode", "Org/Org-mode"? Which one for the format/notation and which one for the software proper, and then the whole thing (with org-contrib and third-party packages) vs just the repo and major mode per se? + - A: "Org mode" for the project, "org-mode" for the major mode, "Org" for the format +- Q: Thank you :) Any plans to use tree-sitter with org? How would it relate to org-element? But if I remember correctly org syntax can not be fully expressed as tree-sitter grammer... So maybe tree-sitter is not for org? + - i don't grasp the recent infatuation with external parsers. + - A: They're happening, and syntax divergence is bad. and if they are used to make neat things, it's nice if we can make use of them too + +## Other discussions from IRC + +- yeah org-modern ? +- lots of progress on the syntax doc, i just checked it out on worg +- engraved-faces is excellent. +- Again, an excellent talk. +- Both talks were great! Thanks +- good pace, slides, and clearly delivered +- "aspirational rather than descriptive" -- I will remember this for future use :D +- thanks tecosaur for the very nice overview and reminder of all the recent changes in org! + + +[[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/orgyear-after)" raw="yes"]] + +[[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/orgyear-nav)" raw="yes"]] + + |