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diff --git a/2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-meetups--attending-and-organizing-emacs-meetups--bhavin-gandhi--answers.vtt b/2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-meetups--attending-and-organizing-emacs-meetups--bhavin-gandhi--answers.vtt new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2918301d --- /dev/null +++ b/2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-meetups--attending-and-organizing-emacs-meetups--bhavin-gandhi--answers.vtt @@ -0,0 +1,563 @@ +WEBVTT + +00:00.000 --> 00:14.120 +All right. Hi, again, everyone. So, we are back. And I am with Vavin. Hi, Vavin. How + +00:14.120 --> 00:15.120 +are you doing? + +00:15.120 --> 00:18.120 +I'm good. How about you? + +00:18.120 --> 00:24.040 +I'm doing well. You will note that I now have an extra layer because I was absolutely frozen + +00:24.040 --> 00:28.960 +in the first half of this year's EmacsConf. But now, hopefully, I should start getting + +00:28.960 --> 00:33.080 +a little warmer. Usually, I'm more stressed, you know, when we only have one track and + +00:33.080 --> 00:36.640 +we only have about two minutes between every talk. I need to run all the time. And even + +00:36.640 --> 00:40.840 +though we are in the dead of winter in Europe, usually, I'm pretty warm. But today, I am + +00:40.840 --> 00:45.920 +so relaxed that I have the mental availability to be cold. Anyway, this is not about me. + +00:45.920 --> 00:47.920 +This is about you, Vavin. + +00:47.920 --> 00:54.740 +So, for the new joiners, newcomers to the chat, we do have a pad where you can ask questions. + +00:54.740 --> 00:59.400 +And we are primarily looking at this pad for the questions. What we'll do afterwards is + +00:59.400 --> 01:06.720 +that we'll open up this current room in which we are. And we will allow you to ask questions + +01:06.720 --> 01:12.360 +directly to Vavin. And it's a subject, you know, user group that is very close to Sasha + +01:12.360 --> 01:17.720 +and my heart because we've done a lot of work towards it. And we might have some knowledge + +01:17.720 --> 01:23.440 +to contribute afterwards. But for now, I prefer if we heard about Vavin. So, Vavin, take it + +01:23.440 --> 01:24.440 +away. + +01:24.440 --> 01:25.440 +Yep. + +01:25.440 --> 01:36.640 +I see one question. What about using on multiple computers? I think that's not related or I'm + +01:36.640 --> 01:38.440 +not sure what it is about. + +01:38.440 --> 01:40.440 +I'm not sure either. + +01:40.440 --> 01:46.840 +Yeah, I'll just do the next one. What about collaborative editing with this multiple computers + +01:46.840 --> 01:50.920 +with Macs like CRDT or with R2D2? + +01:50.920 --> 01:57.920 +I think there's something weird going on. I'll give you just a second. + +01:57.920 --> 02:04.120 +I'll just pick up the relevant one in that case. + +02:04.120 --> 02:05.680 +Sure, thank you. + +02:05.680 --> 02:07.840 +Thoughts on physical meetups. + +02:07.840 --> 02:19.560 +Yeah, so this year, I think a few months back, I had thought of doing it. But the way right + +02:19.560 --> 02:28.040 +now it is, at least in my region, the community is comparatively small. So usually right now + +02:28.040 --> 02:33.480 +the model is working is basically the remote one. And we get people from some people from + +02:33.480 --> 02:39.080 +I think China, some people from Australia. So we get to have a couple of people and good + +02:39.080 --> 02:46.680 +discussions usually. Whereas for physical meetups, what I've been thinking is maybe + +02:46.680 --> 02:52.960 +one off meetup can be physical. Let's say you come together similar to people have been + +02:52.960 --> 03:00.680 +watching Emacs on this year. So something like you come together, do the online meetup + +03:00.680 --> 03:05.520 +first and then networking and discussions can happen offline. So that was one of my + +03:05.520 --> 03:12.880 +idea. Maybe I'll try it with Emacs APAC sooner or later and we'll see how it goes. So that's + +03:12.880 --> 03:18.880 +the current plan about physical meetups. And in terms of if you ask me thoughts, they are + +03:18.880 --> 03:25.340 +good too. So you get to talk with people face to face, you got to make more connections. + +03:25.340 --> 03:30.840 +So yeah, I might experiment some mixed way of doing it right once in a while you meet + +03:30.840 --> 03:36.720 +or otherwise you do it online so that people who are not able to join in or travel to that + +03:36.720 --> 03:40.160 +particular area or region, they can just join online. + +03:40.160 --> 03:48.240 +Yeah, it's a very interesting topic of physical meetups because we, so I participate in one + +03:48.240 --> 03:56.880 +of the workshop Emacs Paris and we used to have in-person meetups in Paris and usually + +03:56.880 --> 04:02.040 +there were about five to 10 people showing up, which was a good number. But when COVID + +04:02.040 --> 04:07.820 +happened and we moved to virtual meetings, we started having a lot more people. Now we + +04:07.820 --> 04:12.680 +are averaging about 15 to 20 people at every session and it's amazing. But the problem + +04:12.680 --> 04:20.000 +is, I'm knocking on wood really hard, but now that COVID is a little easier to manage + +04:20.000 --> 04:25.720 +and that's a lot of people are returning to in-person meetings, it's a little more complicated + +04:25.720 --> 04:32.040 +really to say, do we go back to physical meetings even though we have more people on a virtual + +04:32.040 --> 04:36.640 +meeting? It causes us to ask many questions about why do we want those meetings to be + +04:36.640 --> 04:44.320 +held? And we need to think about this in 2023 with the organizers of Emacs Paris and I think + +04:44.320 --> 04:53.840 +Emacs SF also was in the process of thinking about how to go back to physical venues. And + +04:53.840 --> 05:01.680 +I think right now the consensus amongst a lot of workshop user group organizers is that + +05:01.680 --> 05:06.920 +they would like to have both. So if it was a monthly meeting before, why not have a physical + +05:06.920 --> 05:14.960 +meeting every month and a virtual meeting every month as well on a two-week cycle. So + +05:14.960 --> 05:25.240 +that's a lot more work, obviously. It's not choosing, it's choosing. I'm not sure how + +05:25.240 --> 05:30.400 +big the pool of people you have in Emacs APAC actually is but it feels like it's a much + +05:30.400 --> 05:39.720 +larger area than say Emacs Paris for France. So you try it even though. Yeah, exactly. + +05:39.720 --> 05:48.320 +So in India, there is the region with this Maharashtra Pune, it is like one end and across + +05:48.320 --> 05:54.880 +maybe you can say 500-600 kilometers radius, you have many other cities where more people + +05:54.880 --> 06:02.960 +are there. So having all of them at one place is basically event like conference or something. + +06:02.960 --> 06:08.400 +Monthly meetup, probably not. So there is one more meetup group I managed, not related + +06:08.400 --> 06:14.280 +to Emacs, but we had same question, what to do now? We have many people joining us throughout + +06:14.280 --> 06:20.920 +the state and should we have a meetup in one city only? So yeah, I think we'll have to + +06:20.920 --> 06:25.400 +experiment and see. Yeah, but it's fun to experiment, it's fun + +06:25.400 --> 06:30.160 +to have. We know that we have interested people all around the world, like that it showed + +06:30.160 --> 06:34.840 +you the type of workshop that we can have and how to run your own, but we already have + +06:34.840 --> 06:39.120 +many workshops around the world. It wasn't the case if you go back three years ago. I + +06:39.120 --> 06:44.720 +think if I'm completely speedboarding now, but I think we had about five user groups + +06:44.720 --> 06:52.520 +worldwide three years ago, and now we must have something like 12, 13, 14 even, which + +06:52.520 --> 06:56.680 +is a massive increase when you think about it. Now that Babin has provided you with the + +06:56.680 --> 07:01.440 +tools to do just the same and start your own workshop, and also you have the buddy system + +07:01.440 --> 07:07.880 +of Andrea that you saw earlier today, you have more options than ever to be able to + +07:07.880 --> 07:13.240 +meet people talking about Emacs. Now, there's obviously EmacsConf as well, which is helping + +07:13.240 --> 07:18.800 +and we have a lot of lovely tools to share with you, but I think it's better or it's + +07:18.800 --> 07:24.120 +a good compliment to have a monthly checkup with people who might feel a little closer + +07:24.120 --> 07:28.920 +to you, either, and closer can have multiple definitions, you know, it can be closer in + +07:28.920 --> 07:34.840 +terms of proficiency with Emacs, or it can be closer geographically, which makes it easier + +07:34.840 --> 07:39.960 +or culturally, which will make it easier to converse with people. We do have a question + +07:39.960 --> 07:44.440 +about hybrid meetings. Do you want to take this one, Babin? It's so related to what we + +07:44.440 --> 07:45.440 +were talking about. + +07:45.440 --> 07:53.800 +Yep, yep, yep, yeah. So I tried it, not with Emacs one, but with the other one I organized. + +07:53.800 --> 07:59.800 +And even I had some thoughts. The only problem is what happens, the people who are joining + +07:59.800 --> 08:07.960 +virtually, they usually end up feeling left out. Because people who are in the room, they + +08:07.960 --> 08:13.640 +might be discussing something face to face, they might have some discussions. The only + +08:13.640 --> 08:21.200 +way I think would work is everyone joins the online link from their own machines. You do + +08:21.200 --> 08:27.680 +your regular meetup discussions. And after that, you have some discussions. Because otherwise, + +08:27.680 --> 08:33.560 +one side or other side will end up feeling left out. Rather than doing it, I'll just + +08:33.560 --> 08:39.160 +keep it one or other, either completely virtual or completely in person. + +08:39.160 --> 08:47.240 +Yeah, I think it is really complicated to do a hybrid stream well. I told you the figures + +08:47.240 --> 08:52.960 +of the people we had, which was roughly between five to 15 people at most in physical venues. + +08:52.960 --> 08:55.800 +Right now, by the way, we should probably say hi to the people in Switzerland who are + +08:55.800 --> 09:03.880 +currently watching Emacs in a very nice, warm room. I'm thinking warm because I'm cold. + +09:03.880 --> 09:07.320 +It's not only warm in terms of the weather inside the room, but also warm in terms of + +09:07.320 --> 09:13.320 +the people around it. Hi, everyone. Hybrid meetings pretty much take the attention + +09:13.320 --> 09:18.880 +of two people entirely. One to manage the physical venue, and one to manage the virtual + +09:18.880 --> 09:24.480 +interactions. And generally, those two people would be core organizers of the events. And + +09:24.480 --> 09:30.520 +that takes a lot of energy. And I think people are a little scared to do such events because + +09:30.520 --> 09:34.360 +you also need to manage webcams, you need to manage presentation, how to take questions, + +09:34.360 --> 09:41.000 +how to relay audio. And frankly, as someone who organizes or helps organize EmacsConf + +09:41.000 --> 09:45.080 +every year, I can tell you that it can be plenty of wrong going on with audio setup, + +09:45.080 --> 09:49.880 +video setup, and making sure that everyone is being listened to. But ultimately, we are + +09:49.880 --> 09:55.560 +sharing these tools. So maybe we could share the tools for EmacsConf for people to actually + +09:55.560 --> 10:00.280 +start running their own workshop. That would be interesting. But please don't send me an + +10:00.280 --> 10:03.680 +email asking for this. I need to rest. + +10:03.680 --> 10:13.760 +So there is one, I think, thought. Yeah, one thought in the IRC. It is about the time it + +10:13.760 --> 10:22.280 +takes for me to organize the meetup. So what I have done is creating the announcement, + +10:22.280 --> 10:29.360 +posting it at least on the website, I have automated it. So at times, even I forget that + +10:29.360 --> 10:36.120 +when is the meetup and all. But my automation takes care of creating the online website + +10:36.120 --> 10:42.760 +entries, announcements and all. So that saves me a lot of time and a lot of cognitive load + +10:42.760 --> 10:53.440 +I should say. I don't have to remember I have to announce it. And what happens is, I do + +10:53.440 --> 11:00.480 +plan to automate more things like announcements on IRC, announcements on Mastodon and stuff. + +11:00.480 --> 11:07.420 +So that will save a lot more time. But usually, that basically means I don't have to do much + +11:07.420 --> 11:12.920 +stuff before the meetup. It's like 15 to 20 minutes. And during the meetup, obviously + +11:12.920 --> 11:19.040 +I attend along with everyone else. And post meetup, it might take more time. But I haven't + +11:19.040 --> 11:26.080 +worked on processing or collecting the video and publishing those. So maybe add more, let's + +11:26.080 --> 11:29.280 +say, 30 minutes or so. So yep. + +11:29.280 --> 11:36.000 +Yeah, there is definitely something to be said about how do we use the workshops to + +11:36.000 --> 11:41.040 +make content that lasts after the workshop. It's a discussion we've been having with some + +11:41.040 --> 11:47.520 +of the workshop organizers. I remember mostly Emacs SF again, and also Emacs Paris. We were + +11:47.520 --> 11:52.760 +talking about, yes, we record the sessions, but we share the sessions only with members + +11:52.760 --> 11:59.440 +of the event. What if we have a really great presentation? It would be such a shame to + +11:59.440 --> 12:05.440 +leave it live merely on the BBB record server where only users can see it. No, it's actually + +12:05.440 --> 12:09.840 +much better if we could find a way to share it on YouTube, for instance, or any other + +12:09.840 --> 12:15.120 +distribution platform where people would be able to share this. With EmacsConf, we share + +12:15.120 --> 12:19.960 +all the talks that happen in prior years. What if we could have user groups and workshops + +12:19.960 --> 12:23.840 +do the same? That would be amazing. But I think people are feeling a little iffy and + +12:23.840 --> 12:28.880 +rightfully so. This is a lot of energy to first make presentations like this for the + +12:28.880 --> 12:36.080 +speakers, but then to package them, to caption them for accessibility. We are able to broadcast + +12:36.080 --> 12:42.000 +talk this year with captions with no little thanks to Bavin, who is actually helping us + +12:42.000 --> 12:47.840 +a lot behind the scenes working on the subtitles. Thank you again so much, Bavin, for all this. + +12:47.840 --> 12:52.020 +You will be the first to tell, this is a lot of work, actually. I'm not sure how much time + +12:52.020 --> 12:58.400 +you've spent in the last two months working on subtitles, but it's been a long time. + +12:58.400 --> 13:03.720 +It does take time. That's why I'm still not sure how much time it will take for me to + +13:03.720 --> 13:09.400 +get those talks or recordings out, right? But as a first step, like I mentioned in the + +13:09.400 --> 13:17.160 +talk as well, just get it out first and then work towards refining it. + +13:17.160 --> 13:24.440 +Yeah, that's the usual saying that good is better than perfect or here and there is better + +13:24.440 --> 13:30.760 +than later and never. I think that's a very good plan here. Bavin, we have about five + +13:30.760 --> 13:35.200 +more minutes until we need to head into the next store. We have opened the chat room, + +13:35.200 --> 13:39.320 +so if people wanted to join and ask questions with Bavin, mostly if you're interested in + +13:39.320 --> 13:43.480 +running your own workshop, this would be a golden opportunity to converse with Bavin + +13:43.480 --> 13:48.160 +and see how you could get started on this. Or maybe if you want to find people interested + +13:48.160 --> 13:53.560 +in starting a workshop, maybe not in BBB today, but it'd be interesting for you to connect + +13:53.560 --> 14:00.440 +on the pad or whatever else really to be able to say, oh yeah, I want to start an Emacs + +14:00.440 --> 14:04.560 +Michigan meeting or whatever. I'm not sure why I defaulted to Michigan, don't ask me. + +14:04.560 --> 14:08.480 +But you would be able to find maybe other people willing to do so and that'd be great. + +14:08.480 --> 14:12.080 +Why don't you stop moving my hands like this? This is the one gesture I'm doing today and + +14:12.080 --> 14:17.760 +I need to pluralize it a little bit. Do we have any more questions on the pad? I think + +14:17.760 --> 14:18.760 +no. + +14:18.760 --> 14:25.800 +Not on pad. I think there are two questions in IRC. I'll just quickly answer them. One + +14:25.800 --> 14:33.320 +is about automation. So I have my repository, the website repository on GitLab and they + +14:33.320 --> 14:40.160 +provide something called pipelines. So you can just schedule things and I have a cronjob + +14:40.160 --> 14:47.880 +you can say sort of on their platform itself, which goes and gets triggered on certain days + +14:47.880 --> 14:57.920 +and my script basically takes care of publishing a new blog entry basically. And there was + +14:57.920 --> 15:08.280 +one question, what is iLuxy? So it is a new Linux user group from Chennai, India. So yeah, + +15:08.280 --> 15:15.080 +I think I've been using their mailing list and there have been a couple of people from + +15:15.080 --> 15:23.160 +that part of the country who joined the meetup as well. + +15:23.160 --> 15:28.240 +And we're definitely trying to make Emacs user group a thing. Like Lug, Linux user group + +15:28.240 --> 15:33.520 +has been a thing for decades at this point. And if only we could manage to make, I mean, + +15:33.520 --> 15:41.760 +the thing it doesn't sound as well, a huge, probably the worst argument in its favor really, + +15:41.760 --> 15:47.000 +but Emacs user group feels like it should be something that is widely adopted as much + +15:47.000 --> 15:51.240 +as Linux user groups. Because when you think about it, whether it be Linux or whether it + +15:51.240 --> 15:57.080 +be Emacs, those groups are where a lot of people get to experiment with those tools + +15:57.080 --> 16:02.600 +and learn, especially a lot of beginners who make it to those meetings. They get propelled + +16:02.600 --> 16:07.200 +in the future in terms of how much they learn and it's so much better. You probably heard + +16:07.200 --> 16:13.000 +more about this in the Android talk we had earlier today. Right, I'm blabbering on about, + +16:13.000 --> 16:18.960 +but it's a topic very dear to my heart and I'm so glad that you managed to feel sorry + +16:18.960 --> 16:26.080 +a topic and a presentation. Sorry, I'm mixing up everything there. + +16:26.080 --> 16:33.140 +We will soon be moving on to the next stream. So I see that we have a couple of people still + +16:33.140 --> 16:38.120 +on BBB, but no one with a microphone. So again, when we open the BBB chat room, if you want + +16:38.120 --> 16:42.800 +to join and ask questions, it's all the better. It's good if you want to join and listen, + +16:42.800 --> 16:47.520 +but we need people to actually be asking questions because that's when we have the speaker in + +16:47.520 --> 16:52.400 +one room and you can gather all the questions. I'm going to give you a little secret. If + +16:52.400 --> 16:56.360 +sometimes it doesn't sound like I'm making any sense, it's because on one here, I am + +16:56.360 --> 17:00.520 +listening to Bavin. That's the left here. On the right here, I'm listening to production + +17:00.520 --> 17:07.640 +and sometimes stuff is burning in the background and I have to take a deep breath and focus + +17:07.640 --> 17:12.120 +on, for instance, everyone is talking in my ear. It's really complicated. So what I'll + +17:12.120 --> 17:16.880 +be doing is that in about 1 minute and 20 seconds, we'll be moving into the next talk. + +17:16.880 --> 17:21.480 +Bavin, thank you so much for taking the time to answer all the questions. You'll probably + +17:21.480 --> 17:24.960 +be sleeping fairly soon, right? + +17:24.960 --> 17:31.880 +Yeah, please help us in the backstage. But yes, thank you so much for all your help. + +17:31.880 --> 17:36.000 +Thank you for your presentation. As for the others, we are about to move to the next talk + +17:36.000 --> 17:40.840 +in about 1 minute. So it's going to be a bit of an awkward pause again. Sorry for this, + +17:40.840 --> 17:46.800 +but at the top of the next minute, we'll be starting the next talk. See you in a bit, + +17:46.800 --> 17:49.400 +I suppose. Thank you again, Bavin. + +17:49.400 --> 17:53.760 +Thank you. Thank you for organizing the event. It has been fun. + +17:53.760 --> 17:54.880 +Thank you for participating in it. + |