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diff --git a/2021/talks/pattern.md b/2021/talks/pattern.md index 2000c242..ec037af2 100644 --- a/2021/talks/pattern.md +++ b/2021/talks/pattern.md @@ -48,7 +48,191 @@ four years of Learning@Scale and charting the future. L@S 2018, June 26–28, 20 # Discussion -- this paper is relevant to exploring the space of design patterns: https://www.aaai.org/Papers/Workshops/1998/WS-98-08/WS98-08-024.pdf it's old and a little crytpic, but a good paper. it's "Recommender Systems for Problem Solving Environments" +Pad: + +- Q1: Any reference to a Christopher Alexander book that you liked + most? + - (peer answer A: + - Alexander, C. (1977). A pattern language: towns, buildings, + construction. New York: Oxford University Press. + - Alexander, C. (1979). The timeless way of building. New + York: Oxford University Press. (thanks!!) + - also check out: Gabriel, R. (1996). Patterns of software: + tales from the software community. New York: Oxford + University Press. + (<https://dreamsongs.com/Files/PatternsOfSoftware.pdf)> + - Alexander, C. (1993). *A foreshadowing of 21st century art: + The color and geometry of very early Turkish carpets*. New + York: Oxford University Press. + - A: +- Q2: You are making a great case for the ease-of-use, humanizing, and + empowering aspects of Emacs, but how does this align with the + initial difficulty for many users in learning Emacs? What is the + weakness of Emacs here, in relation to these design patterns? + - A: If we take a Vygotskyean approach to learning, we begin step + by step, gradually building on to what we know. What I found + fascinating as a non-programmer coming to Emacs was how this + approach works even in Emacs. Particularly if we are taking a + human-based approach to Emacs, it has no weakness here, because + humans can only move forwards from where they are, not where + they want to be. So Emacs becomes a good teacher in + process-based learning. We need to hierarchize what we know, + what we are ready/motivated to learn next, and also remember the + time required for growth. +- Q3: How do you suggest emacs users should go about desinging their + work(flow) patterns? + - A: Strangely, I seem to have answered this above! +- Q4: Emacs provides a lot of extensibility as mentioned in your talk. + This is a good thing, but such extensibility and possiblility can + sometimes inhibit creativity (for me at least). How could we + incorporate constraints in to how we use Emacs, in order to deal + with the possibilities that might make it\'s use more complex? A + great answer, thank you! + - A: I love this question. What about thinking about Emacs as + one\'s own path of desire? What do we want to do most with it? + But also, because Emacs is the ultimate blank canvas, in this + context I would recommend reading Cameron\'s \"Blasting through + blocks\" chapter in The Artist\'s Way to get through any related + anxiety and find one\'s \'creative purpose\' with Emacs. And + building on an answer from above, taking things one + project/activity/outcome at a time. Trusting that over time + skills and proficiency grow. + - I like the idea about \"Emacs as one\'s own path of + desire\". It\'s all in my init.el. + - Emacs is seriously the best in this respect! :) And it is + so great to be part of this conference to be among like + minds!:) +- Q5:In your opinion, what approaches might be tried to introduce + individuals to these aspects of emacs\'s user experience? In my + experience, many of my co-workers are often impressed with what I am + able to do with emacs, but they remain reticent to attempt it + because I find it difficult to produce a suitably encapsulating + \"elevator pitch\" for it. + - A: Not everyone wants to think about the tools that they use. + Haha, that is why I am trying to get one convert at a time, and + let them convert others in their midst :) +- Q6: Are there ways to reach out to you after the conference to dig + deeper here? + - A: gretzuni.com +- Q7:On the mention of emacs being \'frontierless\': Doesn\'t this + result in a kind of \'characterless\' or \'non-definied\' space? For + example, if I learn a musical instrument, I am bound by various + frontiers/horizons (12 tone system, the tamber of the particular + instrument, etc). Surely there are similar limits on the + extensibility of emacs and the possibilities it offers for \'human + expansion\'. If so, which limits/boundaries of emacs do you see as + most meaningful/impactful on growth and transformation? + - A: That is a really interesting question. Aren\'t the limits + here our knowledge? I am really stuck on the idea of Lisp and + its dialects as being particularly philosophical. Any time I + look at what people do with Lisp it seems to be profoundly + related to design on a deeper level. I will leave it here for + now - but thank you for the question, I will be sure to mull it + over and possibly blog about it at some point\... + - Hi! Thank you for the answer, that was exactly what I was + thinking about (elisp being something particular/defining to the + emacs experienc/environment). I don\'t know lisp/programming + myself, so I was just interested in your perpsective! Really + loved the talk a lot! But the way, the question came from a + hermeneutic perspective, where boundaries/horizons are essential + for defining/demarcating the self (of course, within a boundary + there can be endless play, but the limits set the \'rules\' for + play, and therefore create meaning).Thanks again! + - Wow - a fellow hermeneuticist?! + - Haha, yes. In my past life I studied it ;) also studied a lot of + Stiegler too, so was interested to find him in the talk! + - That is quite uncanny! The combination of the three (plus Emacs) + have given me a whole new perspective on life - and I wonder why + Stiegler didn\'t pursue Free Software more, though he does nod + to it here and there. Do you have any work to share, would you + like to keep in touch? + - sure! would be great! :) My main area was Ricoeur, so I have + written some things on Ricoeur and technology (there was a + recent volume on his work, and I wrote something on + postphenomenology and ricoeur) I\'ve since left academia though, + because it was quite difficult to find full-time work + (especially since hermeneutics is so + underappreciated/underreppresented! so, I always get excited to + hear others talking about it ;) + - Yes, I know what you are talking about and actually the whole + future - and present - of academe is an interesting question - + haha that I think is related to Emacs, I mean, we do live in the + knowledge age so we need tools to help with this. Ricoeur has a + great essay on ideology and science critique, which is so limber + (as opposed to so much calcified academic thinking) and I am so + interested in exploring approaches to academe that \'continue + the ongoing work of the hermeneuticist\' (I am paraphrasing him + here) that make use of technology, possibly through something + like Ted Nelson had in mind, where we literally trace the traces + among ideas\... wow, that\'s a mouthful of a comment. Ha! I am + overjoyed at the opportunity for this conversation, thank you so + much! :) + - really interesting that you are referencing Ted Nelson in + this context. I think org-roam, in many ways, resembles what + he had in mind with Xandadu; well, with the limitation that + org-roam only serves Personal Information Management, not + our civilisations\' as he intended with Xanadu. + - Yes! the feeling is mutual :) I really love Ricoeur\'s general + style and approach to questions. Unfortunately he didn\'t write + much about technology itself, which made my job quite difficult! + But I did meet a friend of his once that told me that, in the + 70s, Ricouer had asked him \"are we still writing when we use + computers?\". So, he was thinking about the question at least. I + only discovered emacs after I finished all that word, but since + then I can finally say that \'yes!\' we can \'write\' using + computers (with writing being a core activity of the self for + Ricoeur). Also, I just wish I had emacs instead of just writing + so many academic papers in microsoft word! + - Ha! Yes, the moment of being freed from that software box and + having all the LaTeX options in Emacs (here, I list my fave) is + like stepping into technicolor out of black and white - to this + day, I still feel that way! So much you wrote is interesting. + Stiegler\'s concern of whether technology - like the writing pad + in Plato earlier - would strip us of our intellectual capacity + (I can see that possibly happening with automaticizing tools + like - maybe Excel is a good example, because one does not + really have to think about what one is doing). But Emacs use + prompts us to ask questions and design \*exactly\* what we are + looking for. + - wow, yes, that is so interesting. I never considered the + question of desire and emacs until your talk, and it was + definitely one of the most interesting parts! + - In my work I was also mostly interested in Freud (the role of + \'technique\' in psychoanalysis) and also Foucault\'s later + lectures on hermeneutics of the self/technologies of the self. + The angle of \'desire\' in relation to personal + configuration/design was so interesting to me and like an + \'aha\' moment. I\'ll definitely be thinking about it more! + Thank you so much again for the talk and all the responses! + - Thank you too, and hope we\'ll be in touch! + - Yes :) enjoy the rest of the conference! + - Likewise :) +- Q8: What was that Crichton quote? That was neat! (From the + references - Crichton, M. (1983). *Electronic life*. New York: + Knopf.) + - A: Thank you - I hope that general computing will have its day! +- Q9: Greta, you seem to be an academic researcher. Any of your + publications or other good references on this topic that you can + share/link here? +- I hate linking to DOIs, but here are two: +- <https://doi.org/10.1080/00131857.2021.1962706> A song of teaching + with free software in the Anthropocene +- DOI 10.1007/s42438-020-00188-3 The Odyssey of Pedagogies of + Technoscientific Literacies + +**Links and other notes:**\ + +- Design Pattern: macro solution; human-centered +- Emacs is a design pattern for learning. +- Why we care about design patterns? +- Emacs as a mental map. +- Everyone\'s Emacs is their own. +- The development of the Emacs communitiy is similar to the \[free\] + core of Emacs devlopment. + +IRC: + +- this paper is relevant to exploring the space of design patterns: https://www.aaai.org/Papers/Workshops/1998/WS-98-08/WS98-08-024.pdf it's old and a little cryptic, but a good paper. it's "Recommender Systems for Problem Solving Environments" - greta: Thanks for that link! - if I may ask, what's the little toy figure in the background, looks nice :D - A wooden (fake) Transformer :) |