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diff --git a/2020/subtitles/emacsconf-2020--18-org-roam-technical-presentation--leo-vivier-autogen.sbv b/2020/subtitles/emacsconf-2020--18-org-roam-technical-presentation--leo-vivier-autogen.sbv new file mode 100644 index 00000000..23293753 --- /dev/null +++ b/2020/subtitles/emacsconf-2020--18-org-roam-technical-presentation--leo-vivier-autogen.sbv @@ -0,0 +1,1803 @@ +0:00:00.000,0:00:03.760 +at the end we are right on time so i'm + +0:00:02.399,0:00:04.319 +sorry if you have a lot of questions + +0:00:03.760,0:00:06.960 +before + +0:00:04.319,0:00:08.559 +you had some so many questions and i + +0:00:06.960,0:00:10.080 +couldn't answer all of them and i'm + +0:00:08.559,0:00:11.599 +really happy about it but i'm also + +0:00:10.080,0:00:12.719 +really sad that i don't have enough time + +0:00:11.599,0:00:15.040 +to do so + +0:00:12.719,0:00:17.119 +so i'm gonna try to do a better job this + +0:00:15.040,0:00:20.240 +time of leaving you a little more time + +0:00:17.119,0:00:22.960 +for the questions so just before + +0:00:20.240,0:00:24.400 +a little addendum because i did screw up + +0:00:22.960,0:00:27.439 +in the previous presentation + +0:00:24.400,0:00:28.800 +you remember i tried to rename the file + +0:00:27.439,0:00:31.599 +and it didn't work + +0:00:28.800,0:00:32.559 +well it turns out uh i had two file name + +0:00:31.599,0:00:34.480 +baz so + +0:00:32.559,0:00:36.000 +my software works great thank you very + +0:00:34.480,0:00:38.800 +much uh + +0:00:36.000,0:00:40.239 +all right so now what i'm gonna do + +0:00:38.800,0:00:43.040 +during this presentation + +0:00:40.239,0:00:44.399 +is that i'm going to oops i didn't stop + +0:00:43.040,0:00:47.520 +my timer just give me + +0:00:44.399,0:00:50.719 +a little second and let's subtract + +0:00:47.520,0:00:52.239 +one minute okay good so + +0:00:50.719,0:00:54.079 +what i'm going to do right now it's a + +0:00:52.239,0:00:56.879 +little different from the previous + +0:00:54.079,0:00:58.239 +talk i've gave you and different even + +0:00:56.879,0:01:00.480 +from what nura gave you + +0:00:58.239,0:01:02.399 +there's like uh scaling the mountain as + +0:01:00.480,0:01:03.359 +far as difficulty is concerned and on + +0:01:02.399,0:01:04.879 +this one + +0:01:03.359,0:01:06.799 +i will be telling you about the + +0:01:04.879,0:01:09.360 +technical aspects of orgrim + +0:01:06.799,0:01:11.119 +because you know i've been telling you + +0:01:09.360,0:01:13.119 +about the general philosophy + +0:01:11.119,0:01:14.560 +of the notes and the general philosophy + +0:01:13.119,0:01:16.159 +of organization + +0:01:14.560,0:01:18.479 +but right now i really want to get into + +0:01:16.159,0:01:22.640 +the nitty gritty about or grow + +0:01:18.479,0:01:25.759 +so if we go in the git repository + +0:01:22.640,0:01:27.920 +this at the very core is all grown and + +0:01:25.759,0:01:28.960 +for some of you who have no experience + +0:01:27.920,0:01:31.280 +whatsoever + +0:01:28.960,0:01:32.880 +uh developing stuff or programming or + +0:01:31.280,0:01:36.000 +anything along those lines + +0:01:32.880,0:01:36.720 +this is how all the development around + +0:01:36.000,0:01:40.000 +the world + +0:01:36.720,0:01:42.159 +is working you have a repository a + +0:01:40.000,0:01:44.399 +git repository where you have all the + +0:01:42.159,0:01:46.399 +files all the libraries you're using + +0:01:44.399,0:01:48.720 +all the programs all the commands + +0:01:46.399,0:01:52.240 +everything is inside your files + +0:01:48.720,0:01:53.759 +and in a way this is the organ project + +0:01:52.240,0:01:55.600 +you can see that we have many files we + +0:01:53.759,0:01:57.040 +have organ buffer capture compat + +0:01:55.600,0:02:00.399 +completion dailies + +0:01:57.040,0:02:02.000 +etc etc so + +0:02:00.399,0:02:04.079 +before we dive a little deeper i just + +0:02:02.000,0:02:04.640 +want to give you a lay of the land so to + +0:02:04.079,0:02:08.160 +speak to + +0:02:04.640,0:02:11.680 +to know where we're heading so + +0:02:08.160,0:02:15.599 +orgro is built on top of old mode + +0:02:11.680,0:02:17.760 +and org mode gives us plenty of tools + +0:02:15.599,0:02:18.800 +to play around with the files i'm moving + +0:02:17.760,0:02:20.080 +the glass i'm + +0:02:18.800,0:02:21.360 +i'm starting to move my hands a little + +0:02:20.080,0:02:22.959 +bit you know when i get excited about + +0:02:21.360,0:02:26.640 +something i move my hand + +0:02:22.959,0:02:29.360 +and then that stuff happens so + +0:02:26.640,0:02:31.360 +in all chrome we have org mode and + +0:02:29.360,0:02:33.360 +augment gives us plenty of tools which + +0:02:31.360,0:02:36.560 +are incredibly useful + +0:02:33.360,0:02:37.440 +for writing stuff so you know we already + +0:02:36.560,0:02:39.440 +have the links + +0:02:37.440,0:02:40.560 +we already have the hierarchy which is + +0:02:39.440,0:02:43.360 +given by having + +0:02:40.560,0:02:43.760 +trees within trees within trees we have + +0:02:43.360,0:02:45.760 +uh + +0:02:43.760,0:02:48.000 +quote blocks we have babel blocks we + +0:02:45.760,0:02:49.680 +have so much stuff we have an arsenal of + +0:02:48.000,0:02:53.519 +tools that have been developed + +0:02:49.680,0:02:56.640 +for the last 15 years and + +0:02:53.519,0:02:59.760 +when you think about it all chrome just + +0:02:56.640,0:03:01.360 +wants to create backlinks but it sounds + +0:02:59.760,0:03:02.239 +something very simple but the problem is + +0:03:01.360,0:03:05.519 +that we need + +0:03:02.239,0:03:06.400 +to play nicely with all of those + +0:03:05.519,0:03:09.360 +intricate + +0:03:06.400,0:03:10.879 +pieces and the fact is it takes quite a + +0:03:09.360,0:03:11.440 +lot of expertise to be able to do so + +0:03:10.879,0:03:14.400 +because + +0:03:11.440,0:03:15.200 +if right now we are in the brain of all + +0:03:14.400,0:03:18.959 +grow + +0:03:15.200,0:03:21.599 +but if i show you the brain of org mode + +0:03:18.959,0:03:23.280 +so this is the brain of org mode and it + +0:03:21.599,0:03:25.519 +looks very simple like this because i + +0:03:23.280,0:03:28.000 +haven't entered the less folder + +0:03:25.519,0:03:29.120 +but i'm just going to enter it i'm going + +0:03:28.000,0:03:32.000 +to + +0:03:29.120,0:03:32.959 +zoom out a little bit don't worry if you + +0:03:32.000,0:03:35.519 +don't see everything + +0:03:32.959,0:03:37.519 +but i just want you to get a fear the + +0:03:35.519,0:03:41.280 +sheer feel of magnitude + +0:03:37.519,0:03:42.640 +that is um org mode so right now we are + +0:03:41.280,0:03:43.760 +in a very small size what i'm gonna do + +0:03:42.640,0:03:47.519 +i'm going to skip + +0:03:43.760,0:03:51.040 +one page okay one two + +0:03:47.519,0:03:52.319 +three we have let's just check how many + +0:03:51.040,0:03:54.640 +lines we have + +0:03:52.319,0:03:56.480 +okay let me just revert to a fairly + +0:03:54.640,0:03:58.560 +readable side + +0:03:56.480,0:03:59.599 +at the bottom you can see that we have + +0:03:58.560,0:04:00.959 +oh it's not showing because it's a + +0:03:59.599,0:04:03.840 +little small okay i'm just going to + +0:04:00.959,0:04:06.959 +resize the window a little bit + +0:04:03.840,0:04:08.720 +it's not showing up give me a second i + +0:04:06.959,0:04:10.159 +can't see how many lines i have okay so + +0:04:08.720,0:04:11.840 +let's do it to get away + +0:04:10.159,0:04:14.000 +i'm going to go back at the beginning of + +0:04:11.840,0:04:16.160 +the buffer and we're going to count + +0:04:14.000,0:04:17.840 +how many lines we have so the bottom in + +0:04:16.160,0:04:18.880 +a midi buffer and the mini buffer is + +0:04:17.840,0:04:22.320 +this area + +0:04:18.880,0:04:25.919 +we have 377 lines + +0:04:22.320,0:04:29.759 +which means 377 + +0:04:25.919,0:04:31.520 +libraries within org mode and mind you + +0:04:29.759,0:04:32.960 +that's not counting all the modules that + +0:04:31.520,0:04:36.240 +we have on the side which + +0:04:32.960,0:04:37.360 +come on top of volt mode now when you + +0:04:36.240,0:04:40.639 +try to think + +0:04:37.360,0:04:44.400 +about something so elemental + +0:04:40.639,0:04:45.520 +as links you have to think about how to + +0:04:44.400,0:04:48.560 +play well + +0:04:45.520,0:04:50.000 +with every single one of these modules + +0:04:48.560,0:04:53.759 +now obviously not + +0:04:50.000,0:04:56.080 +the 370 370. sometimes you know + +0:04:53.759,0:04:57.680 +one module it's not going to do anything + +0:04:56.080,0:04:58.639 +like i'm not sure op car could be doing + +0:04:57.680,0:05:00.080 +anything with it + +0:04:58.639,0:05:03.039 +but it's something that we have to keep + +0:05:00.080,0:05:04.720 +in mind and so + +0:05:03.039,0:05:07.520 +really early on when we started + +0:05:04.720,0:05:10.080 +developing all grown with jethro kwan my + +0:05:07.520,0:05:10.639 +co-maintainer you know we had this idea + +0:05:10.080,0:05:13.520 +that + +0:05:10.639,0:05:14.639 +we wanted to develop something that was + +0:05:13.520,0:05:18.240 +optimized + +0:05:14.639,0:05:20.160 +something that would you know scale very + +0:05:18.240,0:05:21.600 +nicely whether or not you had + +0:05:20.160,0:05:24.560 +you know something that would work as + +0:05:21.600,0:05:27.680 +fast if you had 10 files + +0:05:24.560,0:05:30.880 +or if you had 100 files or if you had + +0:05:27.680,0:05:32.080 +10 000 files and maybe more so the + +0:05:30.880,0:05:34.400 +problem when you do this + +0:05:32.080,0:05:36.320 +and i'm doing some callbacks to the talk + +0:05:34.400,0:05:41.280 +i gave you earlier today about + +0:05:36.320,0:05:44.800 +few small few big files this is many + +0:05:41.280,0:05:45.919 +i got confused few big files versus many + +0:05:44.800,0:05:49.280 +small files + +0:05:45.919,0:05:51.600 +the problem with this is that we need to + +0:05:49.280,0:05:53.680 +think about optimization from the get go + +0:05:51.600,0:05:54.800 +and so one of the decision we took when + +0:05:53.680,0:05:59.199 +we got started + +0:05:54.800,0:06:02.479 +with orgrum is that if i go in my + +0:05:59.199,0:06:04.240 +test repository so that's the one in + +0:06:02.479,0:06:08.000 +which we were right before + +0:06:04.240,0:06:11.600 +we have a file which is called orgrumdb + +0:06:08.000,0:06:14.160 +now if i open it it's not it's a + +0:06:11.600,0:06:15.120 +little garbage because uh it's a binary + +0:06:14.160,0:06:18.560 +but what we have + +0:06:15.120,0:06:21.919 +is a database with which we communicate + +0:06:18.560,0:06:25.120 +via sorry it's an sql database + +0:06:21.919,0:06:28.479 +and what this allows us to do + +0:06:25.120,0:06:31.919 +is we store all the information we need + +0:06:28.479,0:06:34.720 +inside this sql database which allows us + +0:06:31.919,0:06:35.360 +to speed up a lot of the operations that + +0:06:34.720,0:06:37.840 +are + +0:06:35.360,0:06:38.479 +necessary for the functioning of our + +0:06:37.840,0:06:40.240 +ground + +0:06:38.479,0:06:41.759 +so for instance if i go back to the + +0:06:40.240,0:06:43.440 +index file that i had before + +0:06:41.759,0:06:45.680 +let's just go back to who actually this + +0:06:43.440,0:06:47.919 +way you'll see a little more on the side + +0:06:45.680,0:06:48.720 +so you see that on the side we have + +0:06:47.919,0:06:50.319 +whoops + +0:06:48.720,0:06:51.759 +two links i'm not going to click on them + +0:06:50.319,0:06:53.199 +otherwise i'm going to open them but we + +0:06:51.759,0:06:56.319 +have two links + +0:06:53.199,0:06:58.240 +now there are many implementations of + +0:06:56.319,0:07:00.800 +the zettol casten method inside + +0:06:58.240,0:07:02.400 +emacs and inside and with old mode but + +0:07:00.800,0:07:04.639 +what we've decided to do + +0:07:02.400,0:07:05.520 +is that every time you have a link so if + +0:07:04.639,0:07:08.479 +we go to + +0:07:05.520,0:07:09.120 +the index again here at point we have + +0:07:08.479,0:07:12.400 +the link + +0:07:09.120,0:07:14.160 +foo every time we create a link we + +0:07:12.400,0:07:16.800 +update our database + +0:07:14.160,0:07:17.919 +to say okay so we have a link in the + +0:07:16.800,0:07:21.080 +file + +0:07:17.919,0:07:24.319 +index which is leading to the file + +0:07:21.080,0:07:27.840 +fu.org and it is situated + +0:07:24.319,0:07:29.840 +under the heading a heading and + +0:07:27.840,0:07:31.440 +if you check the site buffer you see + +0:07:29.840,0:07:33.120 +that all this all these information + +0:07:31.440,0:07:36.720 +which i just highlighted to you + +0:07:33.120,0:07:36.720 +are present right here + +0:07:42.639,0:07:46.400 +oh well sorry i forgot this thank you + +0:07:45.599,0:07:50.879 +okay + +0:07:46.400,0:07:53.039 +so let's see log okay i'm going to split + +0:07:50.879,0:07:54.960 +actually i'm going to split like this + +0:07:53.039,0:07:56.960 +i'm going to go back there + +0:07:54.960,0:07:58.720 +the problem is that i can't show my + +0:07:56.960,0:08:02.080 +keystrokes at the same time as a machine + +0:07:58.720,0:08:03.599 +i'm showing the site buffer so i'll + +0:08:02.080,0:08:05.199 +keep it right now for your own + +0:08:03.599,0:08:07.039 +discretion anyway getting back to the + +0:08:05.199,0:08:10.160 +talk + +0:08:07.039,0:08:12.720 +so the thing is we have this + +0:08:10.160,0:08:13.520 +sql database and the goal is to keep it + +0:08:12.720,0:08:16.400 +optimized + +0:08:13.520,0:08:17.039 +now why is it better optimized than just + +0:08:16.400,0:08:20.960 +using + +0:08:17.039,0:08:23.520 +orgrom sorry just using default org mode + +0:08:20.960,0:08:24.080 +so in my talk about many big files + +0:08:23.520,0:08:26.879 +versus + +0:08:24.080,0:08:28.080 +a few i keep getting you know you got + +0:08:26.879,0:08:29.120 +what i was saying i'm not going to + +0:08:28.080,0:08:32.240 +repeat it + +0:08:29.120,0:08:35.200 +by the way it is uh 10 to 10. + +0:08:32.240,0:08:36.399 +i'm starting really to be tired now so + +0:08:35.200,0:08:39.279 +uh moving on to + +0:08:36.399,0:08:40.800 +um what did i want to show you so it was + +0:08:39.279,0:08:44.959 +almost yes all the elements + +0:08:40.800,0:08:47.200 +so what i'm going to do i'm going to + +0:08:44.959,0:08:48.399 +see i believe it's org element pass + +0:08:47.200,0:08:51.040 +buffer + +0:08:48.399,0:08:51.920 +so i was telling you about all elements + +0:08:51.040,0:08:53.600 +before + +0:08:51.920,0:08:55.760 +and the main command sorry the main + +0:08:53.600,0:08:58.560 +function that is used by org element + +0:08:55.760,0:08:59.760 +is pass buffer what it does and you can + +0:08:58.560,0:09:01.040 +see the dock string is that it + +0:08:59.760,0:09:03.279 +recursively passed + +0:09:01.040,0:09:04.959 +the buffer and return structure + +0:09:03.279,0:09:06.320 +structure being all the information that + +0:09:04.959,0:09:07.680 +we have in this buffer + +0:09:06.320,0:09:09.600 +so just to show you a little more we're + +0:09:07.680,0:09:10.880 +going to move into a scratch buffer + +0:09:09.600,0:09:12.800 +and what we're going to do is that we're + +0:09:10.880,0:09:16.320 +going to write this command + +0:09:12.800,0:09:17.760 +pass buffer and we're going to check the + +0:09:16.320,0:09:19.600 +output of this command + +0:09:17.760,0:09:22.000 +oh sorry not this one we're going to go + +0:09:19.600,0:09:23.680 +in the index so the index file you have + +0:09:22.000,0:09:25.120 +a title you have a heading you have a + +0:09:23.680,0:09:26.880 +link etc etc + +0:09:25.120,0:09:28.560 +so what i'm going to do i'm going to + +0:09:26.880,0:09:30.800 +evaluate this text + +0:09:28.560,0:09:32.560 +and now at the bottom in the midi buffer + +0:09:30.800,0:09:36.160 +in the mini buffer sorry + +0:09:32.560,0:09:37.600 +you see an ast an abstract + +0:09:36.160,0:09:39.839 +obviously don't remember what the s + +0:09:37.600,0:09:42.720 +stands for semantic + +0:09:39.839,0:09:43.519 +huh interesting anyway a representation + +0:09:42.720,0:09:45.279 +of the data + +0:09:43.519,0:09:47.600 +in a way that is exploitable by a + +0:09:45.279,0:09:49.839 +machine now what i'm going to do + +0:09:47.600,0:09:52.000 +syntax thank you so what i'm going to do + +0:09:49.839,0:09:54.480 +i'm going to paste it inside the buffer + +0:09:52.000,0:09:56.399 +in a way that is humanly readable and + +0:09:54.480,0:09:58.800 +you can see that we have plenty of + +0:09:56.399,0:10:00.560 +information we have a section which + +0:09:58.800,0:10:05.040 +starts at the char + +0:10:00.560,0:10:07.040 +1 which ends at the character 45 + +0:10:05.040,0:10:08.240 +we have the content so he makes scratch + +0:10:07.040,0:10:10.240 +oh actually no + +0:10:08.240,0:10:11.279 +never mind i did something wrong i run + +0:10:10.240,0:10:13.040 +it in the wrong buffer + +0:10:11.279,0:10:14.399 +so actually what i'm going to do we're + +0:10:13.040,0:10:17.519 +going to run this command + +0:10:14.399,0:10:21.120 +with the selected window next + +0:10:17.519,0:10:23.760 +window okay that's a bit of live + +0:10:21.120,0:10:24.640 +elise writing for you right now okay so + +0:10:23.760,0:10:26.240 +now if i + +0:10:24.640,0:10:28.480 +evaluate this and paste the content of + +0:10:26.240,0:10:31.600 +the buffer + +0:10:28.480,0:10:32.399 +it is doing its bidding so now what we + +0:10:31.600,0:10:34.959 +have + +0:10:32.399,0:10:36.720 +we have a section we have the keyword + +0:10:34.959,0:10:38.160 +title which you see right here you have + +0:10:36.720,0:10:39.920 +the value + +0:10:38.160,0:10:41.360 +if we scroll down a little bit we have a + +0:10:39.920,0:10:42.480 +heading which is right here we have the + +0:10:41.360,0:10:44.800 +contents + +0:10:42.480,0:10:46.320 +which should be yes the content is not + +0:10:44.800,0:10:48.079 +listed exactly here but you have a + +0:10:46.320,0:10:50.640 +paragraph which is this + +0:10:48.079,0:10:51.200 +and then you have a link etc etc it is + +0:10:50.640,0:10:53.839 +all + +0:10:51.200,0:10:54.640 +uh parenthesis if you're not used to + +0:10:53.839,0:10:56.320 +e-list + +0:10:54.640,0:10:58.640 +like right now i've selected only the + +0:10:56.320,0:11:00.399 +content of the parenthesis link + +0:10:58.640,0:11:01.680 +i can move like this etcetera etcetera + +0:11:00.399,0:11:03.760 +i'm not it's not a needle + +0:11:01.680,0:11:05.279 +lessons that i'm doing right now but + +0:11:03.760,0:11:08.399 +basically + +0:11:05.279,0:11:09.120 +if we were to use the default tooling of + +0:11:08.399,0:11:10.880 +orgrom + +0:11:09.120,0:11:12.480 +org mode sorry i keep getting too + +0:11:10.880,0:11:14.240 +confused sorry for that + +0:11:12.480,0:11:16.399 +uh it would be extremely slow to do what + +0:11:14.240,0:11:19.760 +we're doing some people + +0:11:16.399,0:11:22.240 +are doing so some implementations of the + +0:11:19.760,0:11:23.040 +zettelkassen method inside emacs have + +0:11:22.240,0:11:26.480 +opted + +0:11:23.040,0:11:27.360 +for this method but the problem is that + +0:11:26.480,0:11:30.160 +we think + +0:11:27.360,0:11:30.560 +that it scales poorly now some other + +0:11:30.160,0:11:33.920 +people + +0:11:30.560,0:11:35.600 +have decided to not do with a database + +0:11:33.920,0:11:37.200 +and what they do is that they use a tool + +0:11:35.600,0:11:38.800 +which is called rip grep + +0:11:37.200,0:11:41.279 +you might know grep which is a tool that + +0:11:38.800,0:11:43.440 +allows you to search + +0:11:41.279,0:11:46.560 +a file the content of a file for a line + +0:11:43.440,0:11:49.680 +so for instance if we open v term here + +0:11:46.560,0:11:51.839 +uh let's see so i've opened the term i + +0:11:49.680,0:11:54.399 +am in this repository what i'm going to + +0:11:51.839,0:11:58.000 +do is that i'm going to + +0:11:54.399,0:12:00.480 +load the content of the file uh + +0:11:58.000,0:12:02.480 +how am i going to do this oh um i need + +0:12:00.480,0:12:06.160 +to move to bash + +0:12:02.480,0:12:08.000 +let's do crap + +0:12:06.160,0:12:09.519 +for the line which links do we did we + +0:12:08.000,0:12:11.600 +have grep foo + +0:12:09.519,0:12:13.760 +inside the file is it three i can + +0:12:11.600,0:12:16.880 +remember okay let's do this + +0:12:13.760,0:12:16.880 +am i working no + +0:12:18.079,0:12:22.800 +let's go for four why is it eight + +0:12:21.279,0:12:24.320 +ah damn it oh you know what i'm just + +0:12:22.800,0:12:28.240 +going to copy the name + +0:12:24.320,0:12:33.279 +up there we go no + +0:12:28.240,0:12:33.279 +ah problem with live presentation always + +0:12:33.680,0:12:36.720 +you know what i'm struggling so i'm + +0:12:34.800,0:12:38.560 +going to drop this point anyway + +0:12:36.720,0:12:40.000 +so grep is a simple tool that allows you + +0:12:38.560,0:12:42.480 +to search the content of a file but + +0:12:40.000,0:12:44.160 +rig grep is a solution that is written + +0:12:42.480,0:12:45.920 +in rust and which is supposed to be + +0:12:44.160,0:12:48.880 +well not supposed which is far more + +0:12:45.920,0:12:50.639 +capable now + +0:12:48.880,0:12:52.320 +i'd like to talk to you about the future + +0:12:50.639,0:12:54.720 +of orgrim right now i've told you about + +0:12:52.320,0:12:58.399 +the general concept which is about using + +0:12:54.720,0:13:01.519 +uh this sql database and about + +0:12:58.399,0:13:03.279 +playing nicely with old mode but + +0:13:01.519,0:13:05.200 +we think that there's something great + +0:13:03.279,0:13:08.320 +that we can do about orgrim + +0:13:05.200,0:13:10.320 +now i've been talking with the a lot of + +0:13:08.320,0:13:10.880 +people who are behind org mode and you + +0:13:10.320,0:13:14.000 +know + +0:13:10.880,0:13:16.880 +they've told us do you think that + +0:13:14.000,0:13:18.320 +orgrom could have something to bring to + +0:13:16.880,0:13:20.160 +old mode let's say + +0:13:18.320,0:13:21.600 +backlinks is there something that we + +0:13:20.160,0:13:25.600 +could be doing to + +0:13:21.600,0:13:27.200 +import backlinks into old mode and + +0:13:25.600,0:13:29.200 +we thought about it with jethro and the + +0:13:27.200,0:13:30.800 +problem is uh + +0:13:29.200,0:13:32.720 +we've always tried to have an + +0:13:30.800,0:13:35.360 +experimental ground a very + +0:13:32.720,0:13:36.320 +uh can a very isolated portion of your + +0:13:35.360,0:13:37.920 +system + +0:13:36.320,0:13:40.320 +where we could track backlinks and + +0:13:37.920,0:13:42.320 +that's why we use um + +0:13:40.320,0:13:44.880 +a slipbox directory so that we only + +0:13:42.320,0:13:47.040 +track backlinks in one specific place + +0:13:44.880,0:13:48.639 +but now because there seems to be so + +0:13:47.040,0:13:50.079 +much interest about the method and we + +0:13:48.639,0:13:52.480 +have so much backing + +0:13:50.079,0:13:53.120 +on uh you know on github we have like + +0:13:52.480,0:13:56.399 +200 + +0:13:53.120,0:13:59.760 +2 600 stars which is mind-boggling to us + +0:13:56.399,0:14:02.399 +because we have so much success but + +0:13:59.760,0:14:03.360 +we have plenty of ideas about the future + +0:14:02.399,0:14:06.000 +one of the key + +0:14:03.360,0:14:08.480 +parts of development being the writing + +0:14:06.000,0:14:09.680 +of an external parser for orgrim + +0:14:08.480,0:14:11.839 +so i've been telling you about org + +0:14:09.680,0:14:15.279 +element org elements runs + +0:14:11.839,0:14:19.519 +inside emacs but what if + +0:14:15.279,0:14:23.600 +we wrote a background process + +0:14:19.519,0:14:25.760 +that could read a file an augment file + +0:14:23.600,0:14:27.440 +extract the same type of data that you + +0:14:25.760,0:14:30.240 +see on your screen right now + +0:14:27.440,0:14:30.959 +so that we could use to update a + +0:14:30.240,0:14:33.279 +database + +0:14:30.959,0:14:34.959 +so that we could use to compute the + +0:14:33.279,0:14:37.360 +links so that we could use it + +0:14:34.959,0:14:39.519 +to show you know orgrim server all the + +0:14:37.360,0:14:41.360 +connections between your nodes + +0:14:39.519,0:14:44.320 +now there is a path of improvement here + +0:14:41.360,0:14:47.360 +that is extremely important to us + +0:14:44.320,0:14:48.639 +but you know that's the technical aspect + +0:14:47.360,0:14:50.079 +and i'm out of time i'm just going to + +0:14:48.639,0:14:51.360 +take one more minute to finish on this + +0:14:50.079,0:14:54.560 +point + +0:14:51.360,0:14:57.680 +but we believe + +0:14:54.560,0:14:58.399 +that orgrim has the potential to be a + +0:14:57.680,0:15:00.639 +think tank + +0:14:58.399,0:15:01.920 +in a way for org mode and the way we + +0:15:00.639,0:15:04.079 +think about + +0:15:01.920,0:15:06.079 +note-taking in general i've stressed a + +0:15:04.079,0:15:10.240 +great deal in my first presentation + +0:15:06.079,0:15:12.480 +sorry the one i did before neura that + +0:15:10.240,0:15:14.639 +all chrome is really great as a way to + +0:15:12.480,0:15:17.600 +think organically about knowledge + +0:15:14.639,0:15:19.279 +and honestly we kind of want to put the + +0:15:17.600,0:15:22.079 +theory into practice with orgrim + +0:15:19.279,0:15:23.440 +we are holding something which has the + +0:15:22.079,0:15:25.120 +potential to be + +0:15:23.440,0:15:27.279 +a great factor of innovation for the + +0:15:25.120,0:15:29.600 +future whether it be or org mode + +0:15:27.279,0:15:31.440 +or even for software in general you know + +0:15:29.600,0:15:34.880 +the way to think about + +0:15:31.440,0:15:37.440 +build nodes of knowledge in a way + +0:15:34.880,0:15:38.240 +and the way to represent all those ids + +0:15:37.440,0:15:40.560 +with the graph + +0:15:38.240,0:15:41.600 +the way to basically have a note-taking + +0:15:40.560,0:15:43.360 +system that + +0:15:41.600,0:15:45.839 +corresponds to the research that + +0:15:43.360,0:15:49.120 +corresponds to the way you think + +0:15:45.839,0:15:51.839 +so yeah i believe we are + +0:15:49.120,0:15:53.519 +really excited about this and if you + +0:15:51.839,0:15:55.360 +want to keep track of the development of + +0:15:53.519,0:15:57.600 +all chrome + +0:15:55.360,0:15:59.279 +i on my youtube channel which is already + +0:15:57.600,0:16:02.639 +linked a little earlier + +0:15:59.279,0:16:04.240 +inside this present inside the pad sorry + +0:16:02.639,0:16:06.079 +i do have a youtube channel where i try + +0:16:04.240,0:16:09.519 +to present novelties + +0:16:06.079,0:16:11.519 +or the new stuff inside um orgrim + +0:16:09.519,0:16:13.360 +but i also be recording videos about the + +0:16:11.519,0:16:15.519 +technical aspects about the direction + +0:16:13.360,0:16:18.000 +that we're taking with orgrim + +0:16:15.519,0:16:18.560 +and if you want to talk with us we are + +0:16:18.000,0:16:22.160 +always + +0:16:18.560,0:16:23.680 +available either on isc channel orgrom + +0:16:22.160,0:16:25.279 +i believe there's a dash between org and + +0:16:23.680,0:16:27.279 +rome but also + +0:16:25.279,0:16:29.440 +on the discourse and i'll be putting all + +0:16:27.279,0:16:31.199 +the links inside the conversation + +0:16:29.440,0:16:32.880 +and that's me done so thank you for + +0:16:31.199,0:16:34.560 +listening and now i'll be taking + +0:16:32.880,0:16:37.360 +three minutes of questions so as to be + +0:16:34.560,0:16:39.920 +right on time + +0:16:37.360,0:16:41.120 +mini thanks for your awesome talk leo + +0:16:39.920,0:16:43.040 +thank you + +0:16:41.120,0:16:44.959 +so i'm just refreshing the page and i'm + +0:16:43.040,0:16:49.279 +going to scroll down to my + +0:16:44.959,0:16:49.279 +talk if i can find the right section + +0:16:49.600,0:16:52.720 +let me just scroll a little bit + +0:16:53.120,0:16:57.120 +uh reproducible emacs no i think it's + +0:16:55.600,0:16:59.279 +slower + +0:16:57.120,0:17:00.639 +god we have so many questions so at the + +0:16:59.279,0:17:01.120 +same time i'm pissed because i can't + +0:17:00.639,0:17:02.639 +find it + +0:17:01.120,0:17:05.360 +but i'm really really impressed by the + +0:17:02.639,0:17:07.760 +number of questions that we had oh yeah + +0:17:05.360,0:17:08.260 +um which is about i think about line 600 + +0:17:07.760,0:17:09.919 +or so + +0:17:08.260,0:17:13.199 +[Music] + +0:17:09.919,0:17:16.400 +yes got it splendid + +0:17:13.199,0:17:18.160 +so um the questions so why not run a + +0:17:16.400,0:17:19.919 +background emacs for passing instead of + +0:17:18.160,0:17:22.559 +implementing a new parser + +0:17:19.919,0:17:24.480 +so i believe we've had this question uh + +0:17:22.559,0:17:27.600 +i was giving a similar talk + +0:17:24.480,0:17:31.679 +earlier this week and this week + +0:17:27.600,0:17:33.280 +i'm not french this week sorry and + +0:17:31.679,0:17:35.679 +someone asked me this question and the + +0:17:33.280,0:17:38.320 +thing is running a background emacs + +0:17:35.679,0:17:40.400 +process you know it sounds great + +0:17:38.320,0:17:41.760 +but it's also very limited because all + +0:17:40.400,0:17:45.520 +the problems we have + +0:17:41.760,0:17:48.160 +about concurrency about threads in emacs + +0:17:45.520,0:17:49.200 +well yes we can forward all our calls to + +0:17:48.160,0:17:51.760 +background emacs + +0:17:49.200,0:17:52.240 +just like uh you know when you export a + +0:17:51.760,0:17:56.400 +file + +0:17:52.240,0:17:57.840 +with uh um sorry + +0:17:56.400,0:17:58.799 +i mean could you mute microphone when + +0:17:57.840,0:18:01.520 +you're speaking it's a little hard for + +0:17:58.799,0:18:03.600 +me to concentrate + +0:18:01.520,0:18:04.640 +that's fine don't worry you are now uh + +0:18:03.600,0:18:06.960 +so um + +0:18:04.640,0:18:07.679 +dammit where was i i'm sorry the + +0:18:06.960,0:18:09.280 +question yes + +0:18:07.679,0:18:11.840 +so basically forwarding all the + +0:18:09.280,0:18:13.039 +questions uh sorry all our queries to uh + +0:18:11.840,0:18:16.000 +background emacs + +0:18:13.039,0:18:17.960 +that is what uh org export is doing like + +0:18:16.000,0:18:20.799 +you have the ability to + +0:18:17.960,0:18:22.080 +asynchronously export latex documents + +0:18:20.799,0:18:24.480 +odt documents from + +0:18:22.080,0:18:26.000 +org mode and it uses a very minimal + +0:18:24.480,0:18:28.240 +version of emacs to do that but the + +0:18:26.000,0:18:30.320 +problem is that we think that it's not + +0:18:28.240,0:18:33.039 +going to scale as well as a true + +0:18:30.320,0:18:34.480 +genuine background process and since we + +0:18:33.039,0:18:36.000 +have been talking a lot + +0:18:34.480,0:18:38.160 +as far as the old mode development is + +0:18:36.000,0:18:40.640 +concerned about + +0:18:38.160,0:18:41.760 +writing a proper parser writing a proper + +0:18:40.640,0:18:43.440 +documentation + +0:18:41.760,0:18:46.000 +for the passing of old mode file and + +0:18:43.440,0:18:48.400 +writing a proper document standard + +0:18:46.000,0:18:50.000 +that says okay this is how the old mode + +0:18:48.400,0:18:52.000 +format works you know to + +0:18:50.000,0:18:55.120 +basically have a way to not fall into + +0:18:52.000,0:18:56.559 +the traps of markdown which has many + +0:18:55.120,0:18:58.480 +many standards + +0:18:56.559,0:19:00.000 +we need to think about this and we + +0:18:58.480,0:19:01.360 +believe that all grown has + +0:19:00.000,0:19:03.120 +the ability to think about these + +0:19:01.360,0:19:04.640 +questions and as a + +0:19:03.120,0:19:06.400 +as a person i'm also really interested + +0:19:04.640,0:19:07.840 +about this so + +0:19:06.400,0:19:10.160 +i can take the question i mean so don't + +0:19:07.840,0:19:11.760 +worry about feeding them to me so how + +0:19:10.160,0:19:13.679 +often does the + +0:19:11.760,0:19:14.799 +db index get updated in order to contain + +0:19:13.679,0:19:17.360 +changes within the + +0:19:14.799,0:19:19.440 +files so we have two ways either we + +0:19:17.360,0:19:22.160 +update as soon as you save a file + +0:19:19.440,0:19:23.600 +or we have a timer which is an idle + +0:19:22.160,0:19:25.600 +timer which waits okay + +0:19:23.600,0:19:26.960 +the user has not imputed inputted + +0:19:25.600,0:19:29.360 +anything in the last + +0:19:26.960,0:19:30.080 +five seconds so it's time to queue a + +0:19:29.360,0:19:33.039 +database + +0:19:30.080,0:19:33.919 +passing a rebuild of the data not a an + +0:19:33.039,0:19:37.120 +incrementation + +0:19:33.919,0:19:38.799 +of the database i should say so + +0:19:37.120,0:19:40.320 +did you ever think of uh i believe i + +0:19:38.799,0:19:42.240 +have one more one more minutes and then + +0:19:40.320,0:19:43.440 +i'll hand it to the other folks + +0:19:42.240,0:19:45.440 +do you ever think of opening up or + +0:19:43.440,0:19:47.200 +designing the sqldb as a general all + +0:19:45.440,0:19:48.160 +speed up tool outside of orgrom so that + +0:19:47.200,0:19:49.919 +other libraries + +0:19:48.160,0:19:51.679 +that do execute complex queries are able + +0:19:49.919,0:19:52.960 +to use it well + +0:19:51.679,0:19:54.640 +a lot of people have been working on + +0:19:52.960,0:19:56.480 +this and i believe alpha papa has been + +0:19:54.640,0:19:57.679 +thinking quite a lot about this you know + +0:19:56.480,0:20:01.120 +all ql + +0:19:57.679,0:20:03.679 +is the ql stands for language + +0:20:01.120,0:20:04.720 +and i i can't remember now what's uh + +0:20:03.679,0:20:08.080 +what's the backend + +0:20:04.720,0:20:10.080 +is for all ql but the idea is relatively + +0:20:08.080,0:20:13.039 +relatively the same you know it's about + +0:20:10.080,0:20:14.880 +finding ways to optimize the way we + +0:20:13.039,0:20:16.640 +store the data about an old mode file + +0:20:14.880,0:20:20.400 +and how we retrieve it + +0:20:16.640,0:20:22.159 +and sql for us seems to seem to be a + +0:20:20.400,0:20:24.240 +good idea now obviously + +0:20:22.159,0:20:26.080 +maybe we could do something about old + +0:20:24.240,0:20:27.360 +mode but the problem is i think a + +0:20:26.080,0:20:30.799 +background process + +0:20:27.360,0:20:32.960 +is not necessarily um in + +0:20:30.799,0:20:34.000 +the core mentality of old mode but it's + +0:20:32.960,0:20:36.080 +definitely a + +0:20:34.000,0:20:37.679 +something that we could suggest uh when + +0:20:36.080,0:20:40.960 +we are a little more mature because well + +0:20:37.679,0:20:41.679 +orgrom was started last february and so + +0:20:40.960,0:20:44.480 +it's a fairly + +0:20:41.679,0:20:45.840 +young project in a way so uh i see + +0:20:44.480,0:20:48.400 +plenty more questions but + +0:20:45.840,0:20:50.559 +i'm out of time folks so i'm not sure uh + +0:20:48.400,0:20:52.559 +the other speaker is probably ready + +0:20:50.559,0:20:54.000 +so what i'll do is i'll probably try to + +0:20:52.559,0:20:55.360 +answer your questions when i get the + +0:20:54.000,0:20:58.960 +time inside the pad + +0:20:55.360,0:21:01.039 +but feel free to ping me on isc + +0:20:58.960,0:21:02.320 +or on the different channels we have + +0:21:01.039,0:21:04.000 +foreground and + +0:21:02.320,0:21:05.520 +i answer them with you know as much + +0:21:04.000,0:21:07.600 +energy as i can gather + +0:21:05.520,0:21:08.880 +all right thank you so much you are now + +0:21:07.600,0:21:11.760 +unmuted + +0:21:08.880,0:21:13.120 +thank you again very much leo and that + +0:21:11.760,0:21:14.000 +was me done for today so you'll see me + +0:21:13.120,0:21:15.840 +at the end but i'm + +0:21:14.000,0:21:17.840 +officially done and i am free of + +0:21:15.840,0:21:22.640 +thoughts i can focus on + +0:21:17.840,0:21:27.760 +sleeping probably awesome + +0:21:22.640,0:21:27.760 +all right see you guys later bye bye + |