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-0:00:20.240,0:00:24.400 -a little addendum because I did screw up - -0:00:22.960,0:00:27.439 -in the previous presentation - -0:00:24.400,0:00:28.800 -you remember I tried to rename the file - -0:00:27.439,0:00:31.599 -and it didn't work - -0:00:28.800,0:00:32.559 -well it turns out uh I had two file name - -0:00:31.599,0:00:34.480 -baz so - -0:00:32.559,0:00:36.000 -my software works great thank you very - -0:00:34.480,0:00:38.800 -much uh - -0:00:36.000,0:00:40.239 -all right so now what I'm gonna do - -0:00:38.800,0:00:43.040 -during this presentation - -0:00:40.239,0:00:44.399 -is that I'm going to oops I didn't stop - -0:00:43.040,0:00:47.520 -my timer just give me - -0:00:44.399,0:00:50.719 -a little second and let's subtract - -0:00:47.520,0:00:52.239 -one minute okay good so - -0:00:50.719,0:00:54.079 -what I'm going to do right now it's a - -0:00:52.239,0:00:56.879 -little different from the previous - -0:00:54.079,0:00:58.239 -talk I've gave you and different even - -0:00:56.879,0:01:00.480 -from what nura gave you - -0:00:58.239,0:01:02.399 -there's like uh scaling the mountain as - -0:01:00.480,0:01:03.359 -far as difficulty is concerned and on - -0:01:02.399,0:01:04.879 -this one - -0:01:03.359,0:01:06.799 -I will be telling you about the - -0:01:04.879,0:01:09.360 -technical aspects of orgrim - -0:01:06.799,0:01:11.119 -because you know I've been telling you - -0:01:09.360,0:01:13.119 -about the general philosophy - -0:01:11.119,0:01:14.560 -of the notes and the general philosophy - -0:01:13.119,0:01:16.159 -of organization - -0:01:14.560,0:01:18.479 -but right now I really want to get into - -0:01:16.159,0:01:22.640 -the nitty gritty about or grow - -0:01:18.479,0:01:25.759 -so if we go in the git repository - -0:01:22.640,0:01:27.920 -this at the very core is all grown and - -0:01:25.759,0:01:28.960 -for some of you who have no experience - -0:01:27.920,0:01:31.280 -whatsoever - -0:01:28.960,0:01:32.880 -uh developing stuff or programming or - -0:01:31.280,0:01:36.000 -anything along those lines - -0:01:32.880,0:01:36.720 -this is how all the development around - -0:01:36.000,0:01:40.000 -the world - -0:01:36.720,0:01:42.159 -is working you have a repository a - -0:01:40.000,0:01:44.399 -git repository where you have all the - -0:01:42.159,0:01:46.399 -files all the libraries you're using - -0:01:44.399,0:01:48.720 -all the programs all the commands - -0:01:46.399,0:01:52.240 -everything is inside your files - -0:01:48.720,0:01:53.759 -and in a way this is the organ project - -0:01:52.240,0:01:55.600 -you can see that we have many files we - -0:01:53.759,0:01:57.040 -have organ buffer capture compat - -0:01:55.600,0:02:00.399 -completion dailies - -0:01:57.040,0:02:02.000 -etc etc so - -0:02:00.399,0:02:04.079 -before we dive a little deeper I just - -0:02:02.000,0:02:04.640 -want to give you a lay of the land so to - -0:02:04.079,0:02:08.160 -speak to - -0:02:04.640,0:02:11.680 -to know where we're heading so - -0:02:08.160,0:02:15.599 -orgro is built on top of old mode - -0:02:11.680,0:02:17.760 -and org mode gives us plenty of tools - -0:02:15.599,0:02:18.800 -to play around with the files I'm moving - -0:02:17.760,0:02:20.080 -the glass I'm - -0:02:18.800,0:02:21.360 -I'm starting to move my hands a little - -0:02:20.080,0:02:22.959 -bit you know when I get excited about - -0:02:21.360,0:02:26.640 -something I move my hand - -0:02:22.959,0:02:29.360 -and then that stuff happens so - -0:02:26.640,0:02:31.360 -in all chrome we have org mode and - -0:02:29.360,0:02:33.360 -augment gives us plenty of tools which - -0:02:31.360,0:02:36.560 -are incredibly useful - -0:02:33.360,0:02:37.440 -for writing stuff so you know we already - -0:02:36.560,0:02:39.440 -have the links - -0:02:37.440,0:02:40.560 -we already have the hierarchy which is - -0:02:39.440,0:02:43.360 -given by having - -0:02:40.560,0:02:43.760 -trees within trees within trees we have - -0:02:43.360,0:02:45.760 -uh - -0:02:43.760,0:02:48.000 -quote blocks we have babel blocks we - -0:02:45.760,0:02:49.680 -have so much stuff we have an arsenal of - -0:02:48.000,0:02:53.519 -tools that have been developed - -0:02:49.680,0:02:56.640 -for the last 15 years and - -0:02:53.519,0:02:59.760 -when you think about it all chrome just - -0:02:56.640,0:03:01.360 -wants to create backlinks but it sounds - -0:02:59.760,0:03:02.239 -something very simple but the problem is - -0:03:01.360,0:03:05.519 -that we need - -0:03:02.239,0:03:06.400 -to play nicely with all of those - -0:03:05.519,0:03:09.360 -intricate - -0:03:06.400,0:03:10.879 -pieces and the fact is it takes quite a - -0:03:09.360,0:03:11.440 -lot of expertise to be able to do so - -0:03:10.879,0:03:14.400 -because - -0:03:11.440,0:03:15.200 -if right now we are in the brain of all - -0:03:14.400,0:03:18.959 -grow - -0:03:15.200,0:03:21.599 -but if I show you the brain of org mode - -0:03:18.959,0:03:23.280 -so this is the brain of org mode and it - -0:03:21.599,0:03:25.519 -looks very simple like this because I - -0:03:23.280,0:03:28.000 -haven't entered the less folder - -0:03:25.519,0:03:29.120 -but I'm just going to enter it I'm going - -0:03:28.000,0:03:32.000 -to - -0:03:29.120,0:03:32.959 -zoom out a little bit don't worry if you - -0:03:32.000,0:03:35.519 -don't see everything - -0:03:32.959,0:03:37.519 -but I just want you to get a fear the - -0:03:35.519,0:03:41.280 -sheer feel of magnitude - -0:03:37.519,0:03:42.640 -that is um org mode so right now we are - -0:03:41.280,0:03:43.760 -in a very small size what I'm gonna do - -0:03:42.640,0:03:47.519 -I'm going to skip - -0:03:43.760,0:03:51.040 -one page okay one two - -0:03:47.519,0:03:52.319 -three we have let's just check how many - -0:03:51.040,0:03:54.640 -lines we have - -0:03:52.319,0:03:56.480 -okay let me just revert to a fairly - -0:03:54.640,0:03:58.560 -readable side - -0:03:56.480,0:03:59.599 -at the bottom you can see that we have - -0:03:58.560,0:04:00.959 -oh it's not showing because it's a - -0:03:59.599,0:04:03.840 -little small okay I'm just going to - -0:04:00.959,0:04:06.959 -resize the window a little bit - -0:04:03.840,0:04:08.720 -it's not showing up give me a second I - -0:04:06.959,0:04:10.159 -can't see how many lines I have okay so - -0:04:08.720,0:04:11.840 -let's do it to get away - -0:04:10.159,0:04:14.000 -I'm going to go back at the beginning of - -0:04:11.840,0:04:16.160 -the buffer and we're going to count - -0:04:14.000,0:04:17.840 -how many lines we have so the bottom in - -0:04:16.160,0:04:18.880 -a midi buffer and the mini buffer is - -0:04:17.840,0:04:22.320 -this area - -0:04:18.880,0:04:25.919 -we have 377 lines - -0:04:22.320,0:04:29.759 -which means 377 - -0:04:25.919,0:04:31.520 -libraries within org mode and mind you - -0:04:29.759,0:04:32.960 -that's not counting all the modules that - -0:04:31.520,0:04:36.240 -we have on the side which - -0:04:32.960,0:04:37.360 -come on top of volt mode now when you - -0:04:36.240,0:04:40.639 -try to think - -0:04:37.360,0:04:44.400 -about something so elemental - -0:04:40.639,0:04:45.520 -as links you have to think about how to - -0:04:44.400,0:04:48.560 -play well - -0:04:45.520,0:04:50.000 -with every single one of these modules - -0:04:48.560,0:04:53.759 -now obviously not - -0:04:50.000,0:04:56.080 -the 370 370. sometimes you know - -0:04:53.759,0:04:57.680 -one module it's not going to do anything - -0:04:56.080,0:04:58.639 -like I'm not sure op car could be doing - -0:04:57.680,0:05:00.080 -anything with it - -0:04:58.639,0:05:03.039 -but it's something that we have to keep - -0:05:00.080,0:05:04.720 -in mind and so - -0:05:03.039,0:05:07.520 -really early on when we started - -0:05:04.720,0:05:10.080 -developing all grown with jethro kwan my - -0:05:07.520,0:05:10.639 -co-maintainer you know we had this idea - -0:05:10.080,0:05:13.520 -that - -0:05:10.639,0:05:14.639 -we wanted to develop something that was - -0:05:13.520,0:05:18.240 -optimized - -0:05:14.639,0:05:20.160 -something that would you know scale very - -0:05:18.240,0:05:21.600 -nicely whether or not you had - -0:05:20.160,0:05:24.560 -you know something that would work as - -0:05:21.600,0:05:27.680 -fast if you had 10 files - -0:05:24.560,0:05:30.880 -or if you had 100 files or if you had - -0:05:27.680,0:05:32.080 -10 000 files and maybe more so the - -0:05:30.880,0:05:34.400 -problem when you do this - -0:05:32.080,0:05:36.320 -and I'm doing some callbacks to the talk - -0:05:34.400,0:05:41.280 -I gave you earlier today about - -0:05:36.320,0:05:44.800 -few small few big files this is many - -0:05:41.280,0:05:45.919 -I got confused few big files versus many - -0:05:44.800,0:05:49.280 -small files - -0:05:45.919,0:05:51.600 -the problem with this is that we need to - -0:05:49.280,0:05:53.680 -think about optimization from the get go - -0:05:51.600,0:05:54.800 -and so one of the decision we took when - -0:05:53.680,0:05:59.199 -we got started - -0:05:54.800,0:06:02.479 -with orgrum is that if I go in my - -0:05:59.199,0:06:04.240 -test repository so that's the one in - -0:06:02.479,0:06:08.000 -which we were right before - -0:06:04.240,0:06:11.600 -we have a file which is called orgrumdb - -0:06:08.000,0:06:14.160 -now if I open it it's not it's a - -0:06:11.600,0:06:15.120 -little garbage because uh it's a binary - -0:06:14.160,0:06:18.560 -but what we have - -0:06:15.120,0:06:21.919 -is a database with which we communicate - -0:06:18.560,0:06:25.120 -via sorry it's an sql database - -0:06:21.919,0:06:28.479 -and what this allows us to do - -0:06:25.120,0:06:31.919 -is we store all the information we need - -0:06:28.479,0:06:34.720 -inside this sql database which allows us - -0:06:31.919,0:06:35.360 -to speed up a lot of the operations that - -0:06:34.720,0:06:37.840 -are - -0:06:35.360,0:06:38.479 -necessary for the functioning of our - -0:06:37.840,0:06:40.240 -ground - -0:06:38.479,0:06:41.759 -so for instance if I go back to the - -0:06:40.240,0:06:43.440 -index file that I had before - -0:06:41.759,0:06:45.680 -let's just go back to who actually this - -0:06:43.440,0:06:47.919 -way you'll see a little more on the side - -0:06:45.680,0:06:48.720 -so you see that on the side we have - -0:06:47.919,0:06:50.319 -whoops - -0:06:48.720,0:06:51.759 -two links I'm not going to click on them - -0:06:50.319,0:06:53.199 -otherwise I'm going to open them but we - -0:06:51.759,0:06:56.319 -have two links - -0:06:53.199,0:06:58.240 -now there are many implementations of - -0:06:56.319,0:07:00.800 -the zettol casten method inside - -0:06:58.240,0:07:02.400 -Emacs and inside and with old mode but - -0:07:00.800,0:07:04.639 -what we've decided to do - -0:07:02.400,0:07:05.520 -is that every time you have a link so if - -0:07:04.639,0:07:08.479 -we go to - -0:07:05.520,0:07:09.120 -the index again here at point we have - -0:07:08.479,0:07:12.400 -the link - -0:07:09.120,0:07:14.160 -foo every time we create a link we - -0:07:12.400,0:07:16.800 -update our database - -0:07:14.160,0:07:17.919 -to say okay so we have a link in the - -0:07:16.800,0:07:21.080 -file - -0:07:17.919,0:07:24.319 -index which is leading to the file - -0:07:21.080,0:07:27.840 -fu.org and it is situated - -0:07:24.319,0:07:29.840 -under the heading a heading and - -0:07:27.840,0:07:31.440 -if you check the site buffer you see - -0:07:29.840,0:07:33.120 -that all this all these information - -0:07:31.440,0:07:36.720 -which I just highlighted to you - -0:07:33.120,0:07:36.720 -are present right here - -0:07:42.639,0:07:46.400 -oh well sorry I forgot this thank you - -0:07:45.599,0:07:50.879 -okay - -0:07:46.400,0:07:53.039 -so let's see log okay I'm going to split - -0:07:50.879,0:07:54.960 -actually I'm going to split like this - -0:07:53.039,0:07:56.960 -I'm going to go back there - -0:07:54.960,0:07:58.720 -the problem is that I can't show my - -0:07:56.960,0:08:02.080 -keystrokes at the same time as a machine - -0:07:58.720,0:08:03.599 -I'm showing the site buffer so I'll - -0:08:02.080,0:08:05.199 -keep it right now for your own - -0:08:03.599,0:08:07.039 -discretion anyway getting back to the - -0:08:05.199,0:08:10.160 -talk - -0:08:07.039,0:08:12.720 -so the thing is we have this - -0:08:10.160,0:08:13.520 -sql database and the goal is to keep it - -0:08:12.720,0:08:16.400 -optimized - -0:08:13.520,0:08:17.039 -now why is it better optimized than just - -0:08:16.400,0:08:20.960 -using - -0:08:17.039,0:08:23.520 -orgrom sorry just using default org mode - -0:08:20.960,0:08:24.080 -so in my talk about many big files - -0:08:23.520,0:08:26.879 -versus - -0:08:24.080,0:08:28.080 -a few I keep getting you know you got - -0:08:26.879,0:08:29.120 -what I was saying I'm not going to - -0:08:28.080,0:08:32.240 -repeat it - -0:08:29.120,0:08:35.200 -by the way it is uh 10 to 10. - -0:08:32.240,0:08:36.399 -I'm starting really to be tired now so - -0:08:35.200,0:08:39.279 -uh moving on to - -0:08:36.399,0:08:40.800 -um what did I want to show you so it was - -0:08:39.279,0:08:44.959 -almost yes all the elements - -0:08:40.800,0:08:47.200 -so what I'm going to do I'm going to - -0:08:44.959,0:08:48.399 -see I believe it's org element pass - -0:08:47.200,0:08:51.040 -buffer - -0:08:48.399,0:08:51.920 -so I was telling you about all elements - -0:08:51.040,0:08:53.600 -before - -0:08:51.920,0:08:55.760 -and the main command sorry the main - -0:08:53.600,0:08:58.560 -function that is used by org element - -0:08:55.760,0:08:59.760 -is pass buffer what it does and you can - -0:08:58.560,0:09:01.040 -see the dock string is that it - -0:08:59.760,0:09:03.279 -recursively passed - -0:09:01.040,0:09:04.959 -the buffer and return structure - -0:09:03.279,0:09:06.320 -structure being all the information that - -0:09:04.959,0:09:07.680 -we have in this buffer - -0:09:06.320,0:09:09.600 -so just to show you a little more we're - -0:09:07.680,0:09:10.880 -going to move into a scratch buffer - -0:09:09.600,0:09:12.800 -and what we're going to do is that we're - -0:09:10.880,0:09:16.320 -going to write this command - -0:09:12.800,0:09:17.760 -pass buffer and we're going to check the - -0:09:16.320,0:09:19.600 -output of this command - -0:09:17.760,0:09:22.000 -oh sorry not this one we're going to go - -0:09:19.600,0:09:23.680 -in the index so the index file you have - -0:09:22.000,0:09:25.120 -a title you have a heading you have a - -0:09:23.680,0:09:26.880 -link etc etc - -0:09:25.120,0:09:28.560 -so what I'm going to do I'm going to - -0:09:26.880,0:09:30.800 -evaluate this text - -0:09:28.560,0:09:32.560 -and now at the bottom in the midi buffer - -0:09:30.800,0:09:36.160 -in the mini buffer sorry - -0:09:32.560,0:09:37.600 -you see an ast an abstract - -0:09:36.160,0:09:39.839 -obviously don't remember what the s - -0:09:37.600,0:09:42.720 -stands for semantic - -0:09:39.839,0:09:43.519 -huh interesting anyway a representation - -0:09:42.720,0:09:45.279 -of the data - -0:09:43.519,0:09:47.600 -in a way that is exploitable by a - -0:09:45.279,0:09:49.839 -machine now what I'm going to do - -0:09:47.600,0:09:52.000 -syntax thank you so what I'm going to do - -0:09:49.839,0:09:54.480 -I'm going to paste it inside the buffer - -0:09:52.000,0:09:56.399 -in a way that is humanly readable and - -0:09:54.480,0:09:58.800 -you can see that we have plenty of - -0:09:56.399,0:10:00.560 -information we have a section which - -0:09:58.800,0:10:05.040 -starts at the char - -0:10:00.560,0:10:07.040 -1 which ends at the character 45 - -0:10:05.040,0:10:08.240 -we have the content so he makes scratch - -0:10:07.040,0:10:10.240 -oh actually no - -0:10:08.240,0:10:11.279 -never mind I did something wrong I run - -0:10:10.240,0:10:13.040 -it in the wrong buffer - -0:10:11.279,0:10:14.399 -so actually what I'm going to do we're - -0:10:13.040,0:10:17.519 -going to run this command - -0:10:14.399,0:10:21.120 -with the selected window next - -0:10:17.519,0:10:23.760 -window okay that's a bit of live - -0:10:21.120,0:10:24.640 -elise writing for you right now okay so - -0:10:23.760,0:10:26.240 -now if I - -0:10:24.640,0:10:28.480 -evaluate this and paste the content of - -0:10:26.240,0:10:31.600 -the buffer - -0:10:28.480,0:10:32.399 -it is doing its bidding so now what we - -0:10:31.600,0:10:34.959 -have - -0:10:32.399,0:10:36.720 -we have a section we have the keyword - -0:10:34.959,0:10:38.160 -title which you see right here you have - -0:10:36.720,0:10:39.920 -the value - -0:10:38.160,0:10:41.360 -if we scroll down a little bit we have a - -0:10:39.920,0:10:42.480 -heading which is right here we have the - -0:10:41.360,0:10:44.800 -contents - -0:10:42.480,0:10:46.320 -which should be yes the content is not - -0:10:44.800,0:10:48.079 -listed exactly here but you have a - -0:10:46.320,0:10:50.640 -paragraph which is this - -0:10:48.079,0:10:51.200 -and then you have a link etc etc it is - -0:10:50.640,0:10:53.839 -all - -0:10:51.200,0:10:54.640 -uh parenthesis if you're not used to - -0:10:53.839,0:10:56.320 -e-list - -0:10:54.640,0:10:58.640 -like right now I've selected only the - -0:10:56.320,0:11:00.399 -content of the parenthesis link - -0:10:58.640,0:11:01.680 -I can move like this etcetera etcetera - -0:11:00.399,0:11:03.760 -I'm not it's not a needle - -0:11:01.680,0:11:05.279 -lessons that I'm doing right now but - -0:11:03.760,0:11:08.399 -basically - -0:11:05.279,0:11:09.120 -if we were to use the default tooling of - -0:11:08.399,0:11:10.880 -orgrom - -0:11:09.120,0:11:12.480 -org mode sorry I keep getting too - -0:11:10.880,0:11:14.240 -confused sorry for that - -0:11:12.480,0:11:16.399 -uh it would be extremely slow to do what - -0:11:14.240,0:11:19.760 -we're doing some people - -0:11:16.399,0:11:22.240 -are doing so some implementations of the - -0:11:19.760,0:11:23.040 -zettelkassen method inside Emacs have - -0:11:22.240,0:11:26.480 -opted - -0:11:23.040,0:11:27.360 -for this method but the problem is that - -0:11:26.480,0:11:30.160 -we think - -0:11:27.360,0:11:30.560 -that it scales poorly now some other - -0:11:30.160,0:11:33.920 -people - -0:11:30.560,0:11:35.600 -have decided to not do with a database - -0:11:33.920,0:11:37.200 -and what they do is that they use a tool - -0:11:35.600,0:11:38.800 -which is called rip grep - -0:11:37.200,0:11:41.279 -you might know grep which is a tool that - -0:11:38.800,0:11:43.440 -allows you to search - -0:11:41.279,0:11:46.560 -a file the content of a file for a line - -0:11:43.440,0:11:49.680 -so for instance if we open v term here - -0:11:46.560,0:11:51.839 -uh let's see so I've opened the term I - -0:11:49.680,0:11:54.399 -am in this repository what I'm going to - -0:11:51.839,0:11:58.000 -do is that I'm going to - -0:11:54.399,0:12:00.480 -load the content of the file uh - -0:11:58.000,0:12:02.480 -how am I going to do this oh um I need - -0:12:00.480,0:12:06.160 -to move to bash - -0:12:02.480,0:12:08.000 -let's do crap - -0:12:06.160,0:12:09.519 -for the line which links do we did we - -0:12:08.000,0:12:11.600 -have grep foo - -0:12:09.519,0:12:13.760 -inside the file is it three I can - -0:12:11.600,0:12:16.880 -remember okay let's do this - -0:12:13.760,0:12:16.880 -am I working no - -0:12:18.079,0:12:22.800 -let's go for four why is it eight - -0:12:21.279,0:12:24.320 -ah damn it oh you know what I'm just - -0:12:22.800,0:12:28.240 -going to copy the name - -0:12:24.320,0:12:33.279 -up there we go no - -0:12:28.240,0:12:33.279 -ah problem with live presentation always - -0:12:33.680,0:12:36.720 -you know what I'm struggling so I'm - -0:12:34.800,0:12:38.560 -going to drop this point anyway - -0:12:36.720,0:12:40.000 -so grep is a simple tool that allows you - -0:12:38.560,0:12:42.480 -to search the content of a file but - -0:12:40.000,0:12:44.160 -rig grep is a solution that is written - -0:12:42.480,0:12:45.920 -in rust and which is supposed to be - -0:12:44.160,0:12:48.880 -well not supposed which is far more - -0:12:45.920,0:12:50.639 -capable now - -0:12:48.880,0:12:52.320 -I'd like to talk to you about the future - -0:12:50.639,0:12:54.720 -of orgrim right now I've told you about - -0:12:52.320,0:12:58.399 -the general concept which is about using - -0:12:54.720,0:13:01.519 -uh this sql database and about - -0:12:58.399,0:13:03.279 -playing nicely with old mode but - -0:13:01.519,0:13:05.200 -we think that there's something great - -0:13:03.279,0:13:08.320 -that we can do about orgrim - -0:13:05.200,0:13:10.320 -now I've been talking with the a lot of - -0:13:08.320,0:13:10.880 -people who are behind org mode and you - -0:13:10.320,0:13:14.000 -know - -0:13:10.880,0:13:16.880 -they've told us do you think that - -0:13:14.000,0:13:18.320 -orgrom could have something to bring to - -0:13:16.880,0:13:20.160 -old mode let's say - -0:13:18.320,0:13:21.600 -backlinks is there something that we - -0:13:20.160,0:13:25.600 -could be doing to - -0:13:21.600,0:13:27.200 -import backlinks into old mode and - -0:13:25.600,0:13:29.200 -we thought about it with jethro and the - -0:13:27.200,0:13:30.800 -problem is uh - -0:13:29.200,0:13:32.720 -we've always tried to have an - -0:13:30.800,0:13:35.360 -experimental ground a very - -0:13:32.720,0:13:36.320 -uh can a very isolated portion of your - -0:13:35.360,0:13:37.920 -system - -0:13:36.320,0:13:40.320 -where we could track backlinks and - -0:13:37.920,0:13:42.320 -that's why we use um - -0:13:40.320,0:13:44.880 -a slipbox directory so that we only - -0:13:42.320,0:13:47.040 -track backlinks in one specific place - -0:13:44.880,0:13:48.639 -but now because there seems to be so - -0:13:47.040,0:13:50.079 -much interest about the method and we - -0:13:48.639,0:13:52.480 -have so much backing - -0:13:50.079,0:13:53.120 -on uh you know on github we have like - -0:13:52.480,0:13:56.399 -200 - -0:13:53.120,0:13:59.760 -2 600 stars which is mind-boggling to us - -0:13:56.399,0:14:02.399 -because we have so much success but - -0:13:59.760,0:14:03.360 -we have plenty of ideas about the future - -0:14:02.399,0:14:06.000 -one of the key - -0:14:03.360,0:14:08.480 -parts of development being the writing - -0:14:06.000,0:14:09.680 -of an external parser for orgrim - -0:14:08.480,0:14:11.839 -so I've been telling you about org - -0:14:09.680,0:14:15.279 -element org elements runs - -0:14:11.839,0:14:19.519 -inside Emacs but what if - -0:14:15.279,0:14:23.600 -we wrote a background process - -0:14:19.519,0:14:25.760 -that could read a file an augment file - -0:14:23.600,0:14:27.440 -extract the same type of data that you - -0:14:25.760,0:14:30.240 -see on your screen right now - -0:14:27.440,0:14:30.959 -so that we could use to update a - -0:14:30.240,0:14:33.279 -database - -0:14:30.959,0:14:34.959 -so that we could use to compute the - -0:14:33.279,0:14:37.360 -links so that we could use it - -0:14:34.959,0:14:39.519 -to show you know orgrim server all the - -0:14:37.360,0:14:41.360 -connections between your nodes - -0:14:39.519,0:14:44.320 -now there is a path of improvement here - -0:14:41.360,0:14:47.360 -that is extremely important to us - -0:14:44.320,0:14:48.639 -but you know that's the technical aspect - -0:14:47.360,0:14:50.079 -and I'm out of time I'm just going to - -0:14:48.639,0:14:51.360 -take one more minute to finish on this - -0:14:50.079,0:14:54.560 -point - -0:14:51.360,0:14:57.680 -but we believe - -0:14:54.560,0:14:58.399 -that orgrim has the potential to be a - -0:14:57.680,0:15:00.639 -think tank - -0:14:58.399,0:15:01.920 -in a way for org mode and the way we - -0:15:00.639,0:15:04.079 -think about - -0:15:01.920,0:15:06.079 -note-taking in general I've stressed a - -0:15:04.079,0:15:10.240 -great deal in my first presentation - -0:15:06.079,0:15:12.480 -sorry the one I did before neura that - -0:15:10.240,0:15:14.639 -all chrome is really great as a way to - -0:15:12.480,0:15:17.600 -think organically about knowledge - -0:15:14.639,0:15:19.279 -and honestly we kind of want to put the - -0:15:17.600,0:15:22.079 -theory into practice with orgrim - -0:15:19.279,0:15:23.440 -we are holding something which has the - -0:15:22.079,0:15:25.120 -potential to be - -0:15:23.440,0:15:27.279 -a great factor of innovation for the - -0:15:25.120,0:15:29.600 -future whether it be or org mode - -0:15:27.279,0:15:31.440 -or even for software in general you know - -0:15:29.600,0:15:34.880 -the way to think about - -0:15:31.440,0:15:37.440 -build nodes of knowledge in a way - -0:15:34.880,0:15:38.240 -and the way to represent all those ids - -0:15:37.440,0:15:40.560 -with the graph - -0:15:38.240,0:15:41.600 -the way to basically have a note-taking - -0:15:40.560,0:15:43.360 -system that - -0:15:41.600,0:15:45.839 -corresponds to the research that - -0:15:43.360,0:15:49.120 -corresponds to the way you think - -0:15:45.839,0:15:51.839 -so yeah I believe we are - -0:15:49.120,0:15:53.519 -really excited about this and if you - -0:15:51.839,0:15:55.360 -want to keep track of the development of - -0:15:53.519,0:15:57.600 -all chrome - -0:15:55.360,0:15:59.279 -I on my youtube channel which is already - -0:15:57.600,0:16:02.639 -linked a little earlier - -0:15:59.279,0:16:04.240 -inside this present inside the pad sorry - -0:16:02.639,0:16:06.079 -I do have a youtube channel where I try - -0:16:04.240,0:16:09.519 -to present novelties - -0:16:06.079,0:16:11.519 -or the new stuff inside um orgrim - -0:16:09.519,0:16:13.360 -but I also be recording videos about the - -0:16:11.519,0:16:15.519 -technical aspects about the direction - -0:16:13.360,0:16:18.000 -that we're taking with orgrim - -0:16:15.519,0:16:18.560 -and if you want to talk with us we are - -0:16:18.000,0:16:22.160 -always - -0:16:18.560,0:16:23.680 -available either on isc channel orgrom - -0:16:22.160,0:16:25.279 -I believe there's a dash between org and - -0:16:23.680,0:16:27.279 -rome but also - -0:16:25.279,0:16:29.440 -on the discourse and I'll be putting all - -0:16:27.279,0:16:31.199 -the links inside the conversation - -0:16:29.440,0:16:32.880 -and that's me done so thank you for - -0:16:31.199,0:16:34.560 -listening and now I'll be taking - -0:16:32.880,0:16:37.360 -three minutes of questions so as to be - -0:16:34.560,0:16:39.920 -right on time - -0:16:37.360,0:16:41.120 -mini thanks for your awesome talk leo - -0:16:39.920,0:16:43.040 -thank you - -0:16:41.120,0:16:44.959 -so I'm just refreshing the page and I'm - -0:16:43.040,0:16:49.279 -going to scroll down to my - -0:16:44.959,0:16:49.279 -talk if I can find the right section - -0:16:49.600,0:16:52.720 -let me just scroll a little bit - -0:16:53.120,0:16:57.120 -uh reproducible Emacs no I think it's - -0:16:55.600,0:16:59.279 -slower - -0:16:57.120,0:17:00.639 -god we have so many questions so at the - -0:16:59.279,0:17:01.120 -same time I'm pissed because I can't - -0:17:00.639,0:17:02.639 -find it - -0:17:01.120,0:17:05.360 -but I'm really really impressed by the - -0:17:02.639,0:17:07.760 -number of questions that we had oh yeah - -0:17:05.360,0:17:08.260 -um which is about I think about line 600 - -0:17:07.760,0:17:09.919 -or so - -0:17:08.260,0:17:13.199 -[Music] - -0:17:09.919,0:17:16.400 -yes got it splendid - -0:17:13.199,0:17:18.160 -so um the questions so why not run a - -0:17:16.400,0:17:19.919 -background Emacs for passing instead of - -0:17:18.160,0:17:22.559 -implementing a new parser - -0:17:19.919,0:17:24.480 -so I believe we've had this question uh - -0:17:22.559,0:17:27.600 -I was giving a similar talk - -0:17:24.480,0:17:31.679 -earlier this week and this week - -0:17:27.600,0:17:33.280 -I'm not french this week sorry and - -0:17:31.679,0:17:35.679 -someone asked me this question and the - -0:17:33.280,0:17:38.320 -thing is running a background Emacs - -0:17:35.679,0:17:40.400 -process you know it sounds great - -0:17:38.320,0:17:41.760 -but it's also very limited because all - -0:17:40.400,0:17:45.520 -the problems we have - -0:17:41.760,0:17:48.160 -about concurrency about threads in Emacs - -0:17:45.520,0:17:49.200 -well yes we can forward all our calls to - -0:17:48.160,0:17:51.760 -background Emacs - -0:17:49.200,0:17:52.240 -just like uh you know when you export a - -0:17:51.760,0:17:56.400 -file - -0:17:52.240,0:17:57.840 -with uh um sorry - -0:17:56.400,0:17:58.799 -I mean could you mute microphone when - -0:17:57.840,0:18:01.520 -you're speaking it's a little hard for - -0:17:58.799,0:18:03.600 -me to concentrate - -0:18:01.520,0:18:04.640 -that's fine don't worry you are now uh - -0:18:03.600,0:18:06.960 -so um - -0:18:04.640,0:18:07.679 -dammit where was I I'm sorry the - -0:18:06.960,0:18:09.280 -question yes - -0:18:07.679,0:18:11.840 -so basically forwarding all the - -0:18:09.280,0:18:13.039 -questions uh sorry all our queries to uh - -0:18:11.840,0:18:16.000 -background Emacs - -0:18:13.039,0:18:17.960 -that is what uh org export is doing like - -0:18:16.000,0:18:20.799 -you have the ability to - -0:18:17.960,0:18:22.080 -asynchronously export latex documents - -0:18:20.799,0:18:24.480 -odt documents from - -0:18:22.080,0:18:26.000 -org mode and it uses a very minimal - -0:18:24.480,0:18:28.240 -version of Emacs to do that but the - -0:18:26.000,0:18:30.320 -problem is that we think that it's not - -0:18:28.240,0:18:33.039 -going to scale as well as a true - -0:18:30.320,0:18:34.480 -genuine background process and since we - -0:18:33.039,0:18:36.000 -have been talking a lot - -0:18:34.480,0:18:38.160 -as far as the old mode development is - -0:18:36.000,0:18:40.640 -concerned about - -0:18:38.160,0:18:41.760 -writing a proper parser writing a proper - -0:18:40.640,0:18:43.440 -documentation - -0:18:41.760,0:18:46.000 -for the passing of old mode file and - -0:18:43.440,0:18:48.400 -writing a proper document standard - -0:18:46.000,0:18:50.000 -that says okay this is how the old mode - -0:18:48.400,0:18:52.000 -format works you know to - -0:18:50.000,0:18:55.120 -basically have a way to not fall into - -0:18:52.000,0:18:56.559 -the traps of markdown which has many - -0:18:55.120,0:18:58.480 -many standards - -0:18:56.559,0:19:00.000 -we need to think about this and we - -0:18:58.480,0:19:01.360 -believe that all grown has - -0:19:00.000,0:19:03.120 -the ability to think about these - -0:19:01.360,0:19:04.640 -questions and as a - -0:19:03.120,0:19:06.400 -as a person I'm also really interested - -0:19:04.640,0:19:07.840 -about this so - -0:19:06.400,0:19:10.160 -I can take the question I mean so don't - -0:19:07.840,0:19:11.760 -worry about feeding them to me so how - -0:19:10.160,0:19:13.679 -often does the - -0:19:11.760,0:19:14.799 -db index get updated in order to contain - -0:19:13.679,0:19:17.360 -changes within the - -0:19:14.799,0:19:19.440 -files so we have two ways either we - -0:19:17.360,0:19:22.160 -update as soon as you save a file - -0:19:19.440,0:19:23.600 -or we have a timer which is an idle - -0:19:22.160,0:19:25.600 -timer which waits okay - -0:19:23.600,0:19:26.960 -the user has not imputed inputted - -0:19:25.600,0:19:29.360 -anything in the last - -0:19:26.960,0:19:30.080 -five seconds so it's time to queue a - -0:19:29.360,0:19:33.039 -database - -0:19:30.080,0:19:33.919 -passing a rebuild of the data not a an - -0:19:33.039,0:19:37.120 -incrementation - -0:19:33.919,0:19:38.799 -of the database I should say so - -0:19:37.120,0:19:40.320 -did you ever think of uh I believe I - -0:19:38.799,0:19:42.240 -have one more one more minutes and then - -0:19:40.320,0:19:43.440 -I'll hand it to the other folks - -0:19:42.240,0:19:45.440 -do you ever think of opening up or - -0:19:43.440,0:19:47.200 -designing the sqldb as a general all - -0:19:45.440,0:19:48.160 -speed up tool outside of orgrom so that - -0:19:47.200,0:19:49.919 -other libraries - -0:19:48.160,0:19:51.679 -that do execute complex queries are able - -0:19:49.919,0:19:52.960 -to use it well - -0:19:51.679,0:19:54.640 -a lot of people have been working on - -0:19:52.960,0:19:56.480 -this and I believe alpha papa has been - -0:19:54.640,0:19:57.679 -thinking quite a lot about this you know - -0:19:56.480,0:20:01.120 -all ql - -0:19:57.679,0:20:03.679 -is the ql stands for language - -0:20:01.120,0:20:04.720 -and I I can't remember now what's uh - -0:20:03.679,0:20:08.080 -what's the backend - -0:20:04.720,0:20:10.080 -is for all ql but the idea is relatively - -0:20:08.080,0:20:13.039 -relatively the same you know it's about - -0:20:10.080,0:20:14.880 -finding ways to optimize the way we - -0:20:13.039,0:20:16.640 -store the data about an old mode file - -0:20:14.880,0:20:20.400 -and how we retrieve it - -0:20:16.640,0:20:22.159 -and sql for us seems to seem to be a - -0:20:20.400,0:20:24.240 -good idea now obviously - -0:20:22.159,0:20:26.080 -maybe we could do something about old - -0:20:24.240,0:20:27.360 -mode but the problem is I think a - -0:20:26.080,0:20:30.799 -background process - -0:20:27.360,0:20:32.960 -is not necessarily um in - -0:20:30.799,0:20:34.000 -the core mentality of old mode but it's - -0:20:32.960,0:20:36.080 -definitely a - -0:20:34.000,0:20:37.679 -something that we could suggest uh when - -0:20:36.080,0:20:40.960 -we are a little more mature because well - -0:20:37.679,0:20:41.679 -orgrom was started last february and so - -0:20:40.960,0:20:44.480 -it's a fairly - -0:20:41.679,0:20:45.840 -young project in a way so uh I see - -0:20:44.480,0:20:48.400 -plenty more questions but - -0:20:45.840,0:20:50.559 -I'm out of time folks so I'm not sure uh - -0:20:48.400,0:20:52.559 -the other speaker is probably ready - -0:20:50.559,0:20:54.000 -so what I'll do is I'll probably try to - -0:20:52.559,0:20:55.360 -answer your questions when I get the - -0:20:54.000,0:20:58.960 -time inside the pad - -0:20:55.360,0:21:01.039 -but feel free to ping me on isc - -0:20:58.960,0:21:02.320 -or on the different channels we have - -0:21:01.039,0:21:04.000 -foreground and - -0:21:02.320,0:21:05.520 -I answer them with you know as much - -0:21:04.000,0:21:07.600 -energy as I can gather - -0:21:05.520,0:21:08.880 -all right thank you so much you are now - -0:21:07.600,0:21:11.760 -unmuted - -0:21:08.880,0:21:13.120 -thank you again very much leo and that - -0:21:11.760,0:21:14.000 -was me done for today so you'll see me - -0:21:13.120,0:21:15.840 -at the end but I'm - -0:21:14.000,0:21:17.840 -officially done and I am free of - -0:21:15.840,0:21:22.640 -thoughts I can focus on - -0:21:17.840,0:21:27.760 -sleeping probably awesome - -0:21:22.640,0:21:27.760 -all right see you guys later bye bye - |