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-00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:23.760 -and julia their work for biology physics - -00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:24.800 -and computer science - -00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.199 -computer science and the latest work in - -00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:29.439 -progress is on branching processes for - -00:00:29.439 --> 00:00:30.800 -cancer modeling so - -00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:34.719 -how can um Emacs possibly help - -00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.360 -let's let's have a look uh moving code - -00:00:37.360 --> 00:00:38.399 -and data between these different - -00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:39.680 -programs by hand is - -00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:42.000 -annoying on separate workflows for - -00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:43.200 -writing up notes and preparing - -00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:44.399 -publications - -00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.000 -is perhaps even more annoying all of - -00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.640 -it's time consuming and error-prone - -00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.000 -um so what about maybe using jupiter - -00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:53.760 -uh we found something called script of - -00:00:53.760 --> 00:00:55.199 -scripts and it solves some of those - -00:00:55.199 --> 00:00:58.399 -problems because you can use - -00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:01.120 -maximum and julia together but we were - -00:01:01.120 --> 00:01:02.640 -quite happy to explore emacs based - -00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:05.199 -solutions being emax enthusiasts and we - -00:01:05.199 --> 00:01:05.840 -even - -00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:07.760 -got cameron to be enthusiastic about - -00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:09.200 -doing emacs so that - -00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.600 -went nice so just here's a little - -00:01:11.600 --> 00:01:12.400 -feature grid - -00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.360 -of emacs org versus just sort of your - -00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:16.400 -generic - -00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.040 -um tools that are in a different more - -00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:20.960 -general ecosystem so as you can see it's - -00:01:20.960 --> 00:01:21.520 -quite - -00:01:21.520 --> 00:01:23.360 -feature complete you've got your maximo - -00:01:23.360 --> 00:01:25.520 -mode julia mode you can use both of them - -00:01:25.520 --> 00:01:27.119 -inside of org mode - -00:01:27.119 --> 00:01:28.720 -you can present things with word tree - -00:01:28.720 --> 00:01:30.240 -slide you can set up a - -00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:33.280 -wiki inside of orgrome this is one I - -00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:33.680 -found - -00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:35.759 -rather recently you can even use - -00:01:35.759 --> 00:01:37.759 -compatibly with orgrome something called - -00:01:37.759 --> 00:01:38.799 -log seek - -00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.520 -which is in the browser um so that's - -00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:42.159 -nice - -00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:44.320 -um you can do real-time collaborative - -00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:45.840 -editing um - -00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:47.840 -either in a kind of pairing style or in - -00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.280 -a more etherpad style - -00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:51.520 -obviously you can manage your references - -00:01:51.520 --> 00:01:54.159 -you can typeset whatever you want um you - -00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:55.759 -can publish work in progress on a blog - -00:01:55.759 --> 00:01:57.439 -and the fern is another one of these - -00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:58.159 -external - -00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.560 -org mode tools it's not actually any mac - -00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:01.360 -but works with - -00:02:01.360 --> 00:02:03.680 -org mode stuff and you know so we're - -00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:04.399 -good to go - -00:02:04.399 --> 00:02:06.640 -uh with all of that so what does that - -00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.000 -look like well here's - -00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:09.679 -a little example from before they were - -00:02:09.679 --> 00:02:11.599 -doing um - -00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:12.800 -before we started really thinking - -00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.560 -seriously about this stuff so this is - -00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:15.599 -just maxima - -00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.440 -well maximo doesn't have a long running - -00:02:17.440 --> 00:02:19.280 -process by default if you've ever used - -00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:20.160 -python - -00:02:20.160 --> 00:02:22.480 -uh you have something called sessions uh - -00:02:22.480 --> 00:02:23.920 -they don't have that for maxim at least - -00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:24.959 -not by default - -00:02:24.959 --> 00:02:27.599 -um so how what was the workaround - -00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:29.360 -there's this thing called uh - -00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.480 -solve for you here and um - -00:02:32.480 --> 00:02:34.879 -that shows up down below again in these - -00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:36.319 -angle brackets which you've seen maybe - -00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:37.360 -in someone else's talk - -00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.480 -uh which means go to the previous uh - -00:02:40.480 --> 00:02:41.920 -thing that was named soul for you - -00:02:41.920 --> 00:02:43.920 -and do that all over again so they do - -00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:45.280 -that over again - -00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.440 -and here's the little maxima code for - -00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:49.519 -defining you saw so you've now defined - 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-00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.280 -that's not really the main problem the - -00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.080 -main problem is - -00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.799 -making maxima long running so kind of - -00:03:50.799 --> 00:03:51.440 -the - -00:03:51.440 --> 00:03:53.920 -core of this talk is a new observant - -00:03:53.920 --> 00:03:56.400 -facility which is a general purpose - -00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.280 -way to do that kind of thing which - -00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.560 -involves a very simple - -00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.239 -change to obcor uh so we'll give a quick - -00:04:04.239 --> 00:04:05.360 -overview of that and show - -00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.480 -an example um so here's the example - -00:04:08.480 --> 00:04:11.760 -um a very simple sort of silly example - -00:04:11.760 --> 00:04:13.040 -uh what does it mean to have a long - -00:04:13.040 --> 00:04:14.640 -running process here I've set this - -00:04:14.640 --> 00:04:15.920 -display2d - -00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:18.560 -to be false um which just means that - -00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:19.440 -things are going to come - -00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:22.320 -come across in 1d and then I ask it to - -00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:23.040 -expand - -00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.199 -uh something and I get latex by default - -00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.280 -so so that's what it means is I've sent - -00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:28.639 -something in and it's going to come - -00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:30.240 -across in one view which is great - -00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.080 -um maybe you'll also notice that there's - -00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:34.560 -no semicolon if you're a maxima fan - -00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:36.720 -um and things are coming across as tech - -00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.400 -so those were some little bonus features - -00:04:38.400 --> 00:04:40.320 -and I'll show you how that works later - -00:04:40.320 --> 00:04:41.040 -so - -00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.440 -um the change to obcor is as follows uh - -00:04:45.440 --> 00:04:48.880 -um we uh actually this should say uh - -00:04:48.880 --> 00:04:51.520 -instead of stream here it should say um - -00:04:51.520 --> 00:04:52.479 -servant - -00:04:52.479 --> 00:04:54.800 -sorry uh we tried an experimental - -00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.160 -version what's called stream so now it's - -00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.160 -called servant but all it does is it - -00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.520 -overrides uh or babel execute laying for - -00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:02.639 -arbitrary laying - -00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.919 -if you have um a servant - -00:05:05.919 --> 00:05:07.840 -in your in your params so that's the - -00:05:07.840 --> 00:05:09.759 -change that hasn't been - -00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.919 -pushed out or sent as a patch to anybody - -00:05:11.919 --> 00:05:13.759 -but it's a pretty minor change - -00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.960 -um here's an overview without the code - -00:05:16.960 --> 00:05:19.080 -of just a high level overview of - -00:05:19.080 --> 00:05:20.720 -observant.el so - -00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.160 -it stores information about these - 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-00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.440 -the experience of doing this - -00:06:25.440 --> 00:06:28.080 -so some some negatives like we tried to - -00:06:28.080 --> 00:06:30.160 -get emacs jupiter working - -00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.199 -prior to prior to working on the um - -00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.000 -observant and we couldn't get it doing - -00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:37.919 -everything we wanted despite a bit of - -00:06:37.919 --> 00:06:40.160 -heavy lifting and debugging and stuff so - -00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:41.840 -that's not not finished that was a bit - -00:06:41.840 --> 00:06:42.880 -difficult - -00:06:42.880 --> 00:06:45.360 -um on the other hand working on - -00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:47.759 -observing was fun and pretty lightweight - -00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:48.479 -and easy - -00:06:48.479 --> 00:06:50.400 -um we got some experience co-editing - -00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:52.400 -things with these real-time tools - -00:06:52.400 --> 00:06:54.479 -obviously the stack is somewhat work in - 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-00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:22.320 -scientists - -00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.480 -and local farmers and building something - -00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:25.519 -that they can all - -00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.200 -use that's more than the sum of the - -00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.200 -parts so a little - -00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:30.720 -future work for everybody else here so - -00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.160 -we think science should be widely - -00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:33.120 -teachable - -00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:34.560 -shareable semi-automated - -00:09:34.560 --> 00:09:36.720 -transdisciplinary and real time - -00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.399 -like EmacsConf so you can get in touch - -00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.279 -uh via these methods and the code which - -00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:44.560 -is very much early stage work in - -00:09:44.560 --> 00:09:45.200 -progress - -00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.640 -as this was meant to be an experience - -00:09:46.640 --> 00:09:48.800 -report not a it's all done here it is - -00:09:48.800 --> 00:09:49.920 -polished report - -00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:51.680 -um it's also online if you'd like to - -00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:53.360 -have a look so that's the end of the - -00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:54.560 -talk and I don't know if there's time - -00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:55.279 -for questions - -00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.440 -or not but um I'm at your disposal now - -00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.240 -thank you you are now unmuted - -00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.079 -um many thanks for the tough job - -00:10:04.079 --> 00:10:07.120 -uh let's see we have about I think four - -00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:08.880 -minutes four questions - -00:10:08.880 --> 00:10:10.880 -um and we have a couple of questions on - -00:10:10.880 --> 00:10:12.320 -the pad would you like to read them - -00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.240 -yourself or should I read them to you - -00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.560 -uh just for sake of easy management why - -00:10:16.560 --> 00:10:18.079 -don't you read them out if that's okay - -00:10:18.079 --> 00:10:21.279 -yeah sure uh so they ask have you looked - -00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:22.240 -into trying - -00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.440 -sage math I've long uh long wanted - -00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:33.760 -nothing org files - -00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:36.959 -right and I and I wrote the answer that - -00:10:36.959 --> 00:10:39.279 -we should be possible because one can - -00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:44.839 -call it from a command - -00:10:44.839 --> 00:10:46.399 -okay - -00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.640 -and I see there's another sagemath - -00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:50.079 -question that you seem to have answered - -00:10:50.079 --> 00:10:52.100 -as well so I guess I won't repeat that - -00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:54.880 -[Music] - -00:10:54.880 --> 00:10:56.959 -there's let's not forget about embedded - -00:10:56.959 --> 00:11:00.640 -calc in emacs - -00:11:00.640 --> 00:11:03.680 -so so the first demos actually were with - -00:11:03.680 --> 00:11:05.040 -calc so that's that's - -00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:06.640 -useful uh although I think it was a - -00:11:06.640 --> 00:11:07.839 -different kind of a different command - -00:11:07.839 --> 00:11:08.240 -line - -00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.839 -well that was the next calc yeah - -00:11:11.839 --> 00:11:13.839 -so sure there is there is calc so that - -00:11:13.839 --> 00:11:15.680 -would be calculus and - -00:11:15.680 --> 00:11:19.120 -calc is already in org mode yeah - -00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:25.680 -yeah yeah - -00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:39.760 -um still looking for questions - -00:11:39.760 --> 00:11:41.760 -okay I think that's about it I don't see - -00:11:41.760 --> 00:11:44.320 -any questions on the ether pad - -00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.440 -and let's see - -00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:53.040 -anything on irc - -00:11:53.040 --> 00:11:55.760 -um nothing but phrases and everyone - -00:11:55.760 --> 00:11:56.720 -thanking you - -00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.120 -thank you all right you're welcome - -00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:00.240 -thanks a lot uh - -00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.880 -we'll see you guys around then cheers - -00:12:02.880 --> 00:12:06.800 -and see you around |