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-0:00:20.160,0:00:24.800 -and julia their work for biology physics - -0:00:23.760,0:00:27.199 -and computer science - -0:00:24.800,0:00:29.439 -computer science and the latest work in - -0:00:27.199,0:00:30.800 -progress is on branching processes for - -0:00:29.439,0:00:34.719 -cancer modeling so - -0:00:30.800,0:00:37.360 -how can um Emacs possibly help - -0:00:34.719,0:00:38.399 -let's let's have a look uh moving code - -0:00:37.360,0:00:39.680 -and data between these different - -0:00:38.399,0:00:42.000 -programs by hand is - -0:00:39.680,0:00:43.200 -annoying on separate workflows for - -0:00:42.000,0:00:44.399 -writing up notes and preparing - -0:00:43.200,0:00:46.000 -publications - -0:00:44.399,0:00:48.640 -is perhaps even more annoying all of - -0:00:46.000,0:00:52.000 -it's time consuming and error-prone - -0:00:48.640,0:00:53.760 -um so what about maybe using jupiter - -0:00:52.000,0:00:55.199 -uh we found something called script of - -0:00:53.760,0:00:58.399 -scripts and it solves some of those - -0:00:55.199,0:01:01.120 -problems because you can use - -0:00:58.399,0:01:02.640 -maximum and julia together but we were - -0:01:01.120,0:01:05.199 -quite happy to explore emacs based - -0:01:02.640,0:01:05.840 -solutions being emax enthusiasts and we - -0:01:05.199,0:01:07.760 -even - -0:01:05.840,0:01:09.200 -got cameron to be enthusiastic about - -0:01:07.760,0:01:11.600 -doing emacs so that - -0:01:09.200,0:01:12.400 -went nice so just here's a little - -0:01:11.600,0:01:15.360 -feature grid - -0:01:12.400,0:01:16.400 -of emacs org versus just sort of your - -0:01:15.360,0:01:19.040 -generic - -0:01:16.400,0:01:20.960 -um tools that are in a different more - -0:01:19.040,0:01:21.520 -general ecosystem so as you can see it's - -0:01:20.960,0:01:23.360 -quite - -0:01:21.520,0:01:25.520 -feature complete you've got your maximo - -0:01:23.360,0:01:27.119 -mode julia mode you can use both of them - -0:01:25.520,0:01:28.720 -inside of org mode - -0:01:27.119,0:01:30.240 -you can present things with word tree - -0:01:28.720,0:01:33.280 -slide you can set up a - -0:01:30.240,0:01:33.680 -wiki inside of orgrome this is one I - -0:01:33.280,0:01:35.759 -found - -0:01:33.680,0:01:37.759 -rather recently you can even use - -0:01:35.759,0:01:38.799 -compatibly with orgrome something called - -0:01:37.759,0:01:41.520 -log seek - -0:01:38.799,0:01:42.159 -which is in the browser um so that's - -0:01:41.520,0:01:44.320 -nice - -0:01:42.159,0:01:45.840 -um you can do real-time collaborative - -0:01:44.320,0:01:47.840 -editing um - -0:01:45.840,0:01:49.280 -either in a kind of pairing style or in - -0:01:47.840,0:01:51.520 -a more etherpad style - -0:01:49.280,0:01:54.159 -obviously you can manage your references - -0:01:51.520,0:01:55.759 -you can typeset whatever you want um you - -0:01:54.159,0:01:57.439 -can publish work in progress on a blog - -0:01:55.759,0:01:58.159 -and the fern is another one of these - -0:01:57.439,0:02:00.560 -external - -0:01:58.159,0:02:01.360 -org mode tools it's not actually any mac - -0:02:00.560,0:02:03.680 -but works with - -0:02:01.360,0:02:04.399 -org mode stuff and you know so we're - -0:02:03.680,0:02:06.640 -good to go - -0:02:04.399,0:02:08.000 -uh with all of that so what does that - -0:02:06.640,0:02:09.679 -look like well here's - -0:02:08.000,0:02:11.599 -a little example from before they were - -0:02:09.679,0:02:12.800 -doing um - -0:02:11.599,0:02:14.560 -before we started really thinking - -0:02:12.800,0:02:15.599 -seriously about this stuff so this is - -0:02:14.560,0:02:17.440 -just maxima - -0:02:15.599,0:02:19.280 -well maximo doesn't have a long running - -0:02:17.440,0:02:20.160 -process by default if you've ever used - -0:02:19.280,0:02:22.480 -python - -0:02:20.160,0:02:23.920 -uh you have something called sessions uh - -0:02:22.480,0:02:24.959 -they don't have that for maxim at least - -0:02:23.920,0:02:27.599 -not by default - -0:02:24.959,0:02:29.360 -um so how what was the workaround - -0:02:27.599,0:02:32.480 -there's this thing called uh - -0:02:29.360,0:02:34.879 -solve for you here and um - -0:02:32.480,0:02:36.319 -that shows up down below again in these - -0:02:34.879,0:02:37.360 -angle brackets which you've seen maybe - -0:02:36.319,0:02:40.480 -in someone else's talk - -0:02:37.360,0:02:41.920 -uh which means go to the previous uh - -0:02:40.480,0:02:43.920 -thing that was named soul for you - -0:02:41.920,0:02:45.280 -and do that all over again so they do - -0:02:43.920,0:02:47.440 -that over again - -0:02:45.280,0:02:49.519 -and here's the little maxima code for - -0:02:47.440,0:02:50.560 -defining you saw so you've now defined - -0:02:49.519,0:02:51.920 -you saw - -0:02:50.560,0:02:54.000 -and then you can use it in the next - -0:02:51.920,0:02:56.560 -expression you get out a nice juicy - -0:02:54.000,0:02:57.200 -zero at the end but it's a little bit a - -0:02:56.560,0:02:58.959 -little bit - -0:02:57.200,0:03:00.640 -like cartridge in a pear tree to have to - -0:02:58.959,0:03:02.560 -redefine everything every time - -0:03:00.640,0:03:04.159 -so this is clearly at the level of work - -0:03:02.560,0:03:06.879 -around um maybe just - -0:03:04.159,0:03:07.920 -one more time going looking through that - -0:03:06.879,0:03:11.599 -um - -0:03:07.920,0:03:13.760 -that stuff um - -0:03:11.599,0:03:15.280 -sorry so uh looking through that stuff - -0:03:13.760,0:03:17.200 -this is we're going to need something - -0:03:15.280,0:03:19.599 -like that probably for stitching - -0:03:17.200,0:03:20.319 -maxima and julie julia together so it's - -0:03:19.599,0:03:21.680 -good to - -0:03:20.319,0:03:23.920 -look a little bit about how that might - -0:03:21.680,0:03:25.680 -work so first of all you can cache - -0:03:23.920,0:03:26.480 -results so if you wanted to save the - -0:03:25.680,0:03:28.480 -date - -0:03:26.480,0:03:29.920 -out of block one at a certain time and - -0:03:28.480,0:03:32.239 -then use - -0:03:29.920,0:03:33.280 -use it again later so at the time when I - -0:03:32.239,0:03:34.640 -ran this code - -0:03:33.280,0:03:36.720 -you can see I've got two slightly - -0:03:34.640,0:03:38.560 -different time stamps down below one's - -0:03:36.720,0:03:40.319 -the cached result and the other was the - -0:03:38.560,0:03:42.640 -result of reevaluating - -0:03:40.319,0:03:43.760 -the block so you can move things around - -0:03:42.640,0:03:46.000 -um and that's - -0:03:43.760,0:03:47.280 -that's going to be useful but you know - -0:03:46.000,0:03:48.080 -that's not really the main problem the - -0:03:47.280,0:03:50.799 -main problem is - -0:03:48.080,0:03:51.440 -making maxima long running so kind of - -0:03:50.799,0:03:53.920 -the - -0:03:51.440,0:03:56.400 -core of this talk is a new observant - -0:03:53.920,0:03:59.280 -facility which is a general purpose - -0:03:56.400,0:04:00.560 -way to do that kind of thing which - -0:03:59.280,0:04:04.239 -involves a very simple - -0:04:00.560,0:04:05.360 -change to obcor uh so we'll give a quick - -0:04:04.239,0:04:08.480 -overview of that and show - -0:04:05.360,0:04:11.760 -an example um so here's the example - -0:04:08.480,0:04:13.040 -um a very simple sort of silly example - -0:04:11.760,0:04:14.640 -uh what does it mean to have a long - -0:04:13.040,0:04:15.920 -running process here I've set this - -0:04:14.640,0:04:18.560 -display2d - -0:04:15.920,0:04:19.440 -to be false um which just means that - -0:04:18.560,0:04:22.320 -things are going to come - -0:04:19.440,0:04:23.040 -come across in 1d and then I ask it to - -0:04:22.320,0:04:25.199 -expand - -0:04:23.040,0:04:27.280 -uh something and I get latex by default - -0:04:25.199,0:04:28.639 -so so that's what it means is I've sent - -0:04:27.280,0:04:30.240 -something in and it's going to come - -0:04:28.639,0:04:32.080 -across in one view which is great - -0:04:30.240,0:04:34.560 -um maybe you'll also notice that there's - -0:04:32.080,0:04:36.720 -no semicolon if you're a maxima fan - -0:04:34.560,0:04:38.400 -um and things are coming across as tech - -0:04:36.720,0:04:40.320 -so those were some little bonus features - -0:04:38.400,0:04:41.040 -and I'll show you how that works later - -0:04:40.320,0:04:45.440 -so - -0:04:41.040,0:04:48.880 -um the change to obcor is as follows uh - -0:04:45.440,0:04:51.520 -um we uh actually this should say uh - -0:04:48.880,0:04:52.479 -instead of stream here it should say um - -0:04:51.520,0:04:54.800 -servant - -0:04:52.479,0:04:56.160 -sorry uh we tried an experimental - -0:04:54.800,0:04:58.160 -version what's called stream so now it's - -0:04:56.160,0:05:01.520 -called servant but all it does is it - -0:04:58.160,0:05:02.639 -overrides uh or babel execute laying for - -0:05:01.520,0:05:05.919 -arbitrary laying - -0:05:02.639,0:05:07.840 -if you have um a servant - -0:05:05.919,0:05:09.759 -in your in your params so that's the - -0:05:07.840,0:05:11.919 -change that hasn't been - -0:05:09.759,0:05:13.759 -pushed out or sent as a patch to anybody - -0:05:11.919,0:05:16.960 -but it's a pretty minor change - -0:05:13.759,0:05:19.080 -um here's an overview without the code - -0:05:16.960,0:05:20.720 -of just a high level overview of - -0:05:19.080,0:05:22.160 -observant.el so - -0:05:20.720,0:05:24.479 -it stores information about these - -0:05:22.160,0:05:26.080 -processes in a hash table - -0:05:24.479,0:05:27.600 -it can do pre-processing and - -0:05:26.080,0:05:29.759 -post-processing - -0:05:27.600,0:05:30.720 -um it does all these things it stores - -0:05:29.759,0:05:32.479 -the output - -0:05:30.720,0:05:34.080 -I mentioned here that in principle we - -0:05:32.479,0:05:35.280 -could store lots of output and have a - -0:05:34.080,0:05:36.560 -kind of browsable - -0:05:35.280,0:05:38.880 -history although we don't do that - -0:05:36.560,0:05:40.639 -presently um but that's what observant - -0:05:38.880,0:05:41.440 -does is it does what you might expect - -0:05:40.639,0:05:45.440 -and here's the - -0:05:41.440,0:05:48.160 -here's the maxima kind of um - -0:05:45.440,0:05:49.600 -on-ramp uh to get maxima brought in so - -0:05:48.160,0:05:51.360 -you have to obviously have a maximum - -0:05:49.600,0:05:54.960 -process you can call - -0:05:51.360,0:05:57.840 -um put hash uh this is the preprocessing - -0:05:54.960,0:05:58.960 -thing I mentioned adding in some tech um - -0:05:57.840,0:06:01.520 -and adding in - -0:05:58.960,0:06:03.120 -uh or deleting rather a substring and - -0:06:01.520,0:06:03.759 -here here is why you delete the - -0:06:03.120,0:06:06.960 -substring - -0:06:03.759,0:06:08.240 -is because um maxima thinks it's a good - -0:06:06.960,0:06:10.080 -idea to tell you false - -0:06:08.240,0:06:11.759 -once you once you run check on things - -0:06:10.080,0:06:13.680 -you've got to delete that back out to - -0:06:11.759,0:06:16.960 -get something kind of coherent out of it - -0:06:13.680,0:06:19.280 -but so this is how to set up maximal um - -0:06:16.960,0:06:20.000 -that's enough really of the demo is not - -0:06:19.280,0:06:21.919 -really a demos for - -0:06:20.000,0:06:23.600 -show and tell but uh this is an - -0:06:21.919,0:06:25.440 -experience report I wanted to talk about - -0:06:23.600,0:06:28.080 -the experience of doing this - -0:06:25.440,0:06:30.160 -so some some negatives like we tried to - -0:06:28.080,0:06:33.199 -get emacs jupiter working - -0:06:30.160,0:06:36.000 -prior to prior to working on the um - -0:06:33.199,0:06:37.919 -observant and we couldn't get it doing - -0:06:36.000,0:06:40.160 -everything we wanted despite a bit of - -0:06:37.919,0:06:41.840 -heavy lifting and debugging and stuff so - -0:06:40.160,0:06:42.880 -that's not not finished that was a bit - -0:06:41.840,0:06:45.360 -difficult - -0:06:42.880,0:06:47.759 -um on the other hand working on - -0:06:45.360,0:06:48.479 -observing was fun and pretty lightweight - -0:06:47.759,0:06:50.400 -and easy - -0:06:48.479,0:06:52.400 -um we got some experience co-editing - -0:06:50.400,0:06:54.479 -things with these real-time tools - -0:06:52.400,0:06:55.919 -obviously the stack is somewhat work in - -0:06:54.479,0:06:58.000 -progress um - -0:06:55.919,0:07:00.800 -so I just wanted to give a shout out to - -0:06:58.000,0:07:03.919 -crdt which was really fun - -0:07:00.800,0:07:07.039 -and champion was making bug fiction - -0:07:03.919,0:07:08.960 -bug fixes for that as we go similarly - -0:07:07.039,0:07:10.160 -for fern and log seek the maintainers - -0:07:08.960,0:07:12.960 -were really responsive - -0:07:10.160,0:07:14.560 -um and so that was nice we did try to - -0:07:12.960,0:07:15.840 -get emacs running in the browser - -0:07:14.560,0:07:16.880 -thinking it would be really nice for - -0:07:15.840,0:07:19.520 -people who - -0:07:16.880,0:07:21.120 -um didn't want to install it to get a - -0:07:19.520,0:07:23.120 -chance to just try it - -0:07:21.120,0:07:24.479 -uh but actually browsers capture things - -0:07:23.120,0:07:27.120 -like uh control n - -0:07:24.479,0:07:28.479 -and so that's that was a bit annoying - -0:07:27.120,0:07:29.759 -but we did get lots of great feedback - -0:07:28.479,0:07:31.599 -and interaction with people including - -0:07:29.759,0:07:33.759 -around this conference so thank you - -0:07:31.599,0:07:35.599 -to those who we've had discussions with - -0:07:33.759,0:07:37.680 -um - -0:07:35.599,0:07:38.639 -so future work okay so maybe you - -0:07:37.680,0:07:41.039 -remember I didn't - -0:07:38.639,0:07:42.400 -give a talk a few years back on arcana - -0:07:41.039,0:07:44.479 -so what what - -0:07:42.400,0:07:45.919 -might this have to do with org mode and - -0:07:44.479,0:07:47.039 -that's always the question one asks - -0:07:45.919,0:07:48.720 -about arcata - -0:07:47.039,0:07:50.319 -well so arcana one of the things it does - -0:07:48.720,0:07:51.680 -is transclusions and so that could be - -0:07:50.319,0:07:54.000 -actually very helpful - -0:07:51.680,0:07:55.520 -in connection with this combined notes - -0:07:54.000,0:07:56.479 -and write-up workflow so you might have - -0:07:55.520,0:07:58.400 -a - -0:07:56.479,0:08:00.800 -forward mode uh and some of these - -0:07:58.400,0:08:03.199 -results we got back as raw results - -0:08:00.800,0:08:03.919 -could go right into your write up in a - -0:08:03.199,0:08:07.520 -kind of - -0:08:03.919,0:08:09.039 -convenient way at a level above um - -0:08:07.520,0:08:11.280 -transparently a level above the notebook - -0:08:09.039,0:08:13.440 -so you'd have the notebook alongside the - -0:08:11.280,0:08:15.599 -write-up in that case - -0:08:13.440,0:08:16.800 -which is a sort of variation on the - -0:08:15.599,0:08:19.120 -literate programming - -0:08:16.800,0:08:20.000 -workflow this is speculative who knows - -0:08:19.120,0:08:22.080 -the other thought is - -0:08:20.000,0:08:23.520 -it just relates to the idea of network - -0:08:22.080,0:08:24.800 -programming so we can imagine these - -0:08:23.520,0:08:26.639 -networks of - -0:08:24.800,0:08:28.800 -computational nodes maybe sitting inside - -0:08:26.639,0:08:31.199 -of orgrome calling each other - -0:08:28.800,0:08:32.560 -um and you would want to maintain some - -0:08:31.199,0:08:34.959 -kind of model of that - -0:08:32.560,0:08:36.640 -process and a sort of general question - -0:08:34.959,0:08:38.320 -is how do we have a remote control for - -0:08:36.640,0:08:40.240 -long-running processes you could do that - -0:08:38.320,0:08:42.479 -in lisp or closure but - -0:08:40.240,0:08:44.080 -maybe we could have something a little - -0:08:42.479,0:08:45.839 -bit like that here - -0:08:44.080,0:08:48.080 -um so conclusions what have we actually - -0:08:45.839,0:08:50.080 -addressed well uh we addressed uh - -0:08:48.080,0:08:51.600 -accessing any long-running process with - -0:08:50.080,0:08:52.959 -a simple or mode interface - -0:08:51.600,0:08:54.880 -obviously we're not the only people to - -0:08:52.959,0:08:56.880 -think about notebooks but we think that - -0:08:54.880,0:08:58.880 -emacs has some advantages - -0:08:56.880,0:09:01.120 -related to reproducible research and - -0:08:58.880,0:09:01.680 -interdisciplinary collaboration so let's - -0:09:01.120,0:09:03.120 -just - -0:09:01.680,0:09:04.880 -say that we think something is - -0:09:03.120,0:09:07.200 -reproducible if it's actually teachable - -0:09:04.880,0:09:09.279 -to someone new and they can do it - -0:09:07.200,0:09:11.680 -org mode seems very useful for that many - -0:09:09.279,0:09:14.399 -of the other talks have touched on this - -0:09:11.680,0:09:16.000 -interdisciplinary collaboration is great - -0:09:14.399,0:09:17.839 -this was an interdisciplinary - -0:09:16.000,0:09:19.680 -collaboration on some level but - -0:09:17.839,0:09:21.600 -what about you know future work for - -0:09:19.680,0:09:22.320 -bringing in scenario planners simulation - -0:09:21.600,0:09:24.480 -scientists - -0:09:22.320,0:09:25.519 -and local farmers and building something - -0:09:24.480,0:09:27.200 -that they can all - -0:09:25.519,0:09:29.200 -use that's more than the sum of the - -0:09:27.200,0:09:30.720 -parts so a little - -0:09:29.200,0:09:32.160 -future work for everybody else here so - -0:09:30.720,0:09:33.120 -we think science should be widely - -0:09:32.160,0:09:34.560 -teachable - -0:09:33.120,0:09:36.720 -shareable semi-automated - -0:09:34.560,0:09:40.399 -transdisciplinary and real time - -0:09:36.720,0:09:43.279 -like EmacsConf so you can get in touch - -0:09:40.399,0:09:44.560 -uh via these methods and the code which - -0:09:43.279,0:09:45.200 -is very much early stage work in - -0:09:44.560,0:09:46.640 -progress - -0:09:45.200,0:09:48.800 -as this was meant to be an experience - -0:09:46.640,0:09:49.920 -report not a it's all done here it is - -0:09:48.800,0:09:51.680 -polished report - -0:09:49.920,0:09:53.360 -um it's also online if you'd like to - -0:09:51.680,0:09:54.560 -have a look so that's the end of the - -0:09:53.360,0:09:55.279 -talk and I don't know if there's time - -0:09:54.560,0:09:57.440 -for questions - -0:09:55.279,0:10:00.240 -or not but um I'm at your disposal now - -0:09:57.440,0:10:04.079 -thank you you are now unmuted - -0:10:00.240,0:10:07.120 -um many thanks for the tough job - -0:10:04.079,0:10:08.880 -uh let's see we have about I think four - -0:10:07.120,0:10:10.880 -minutes four questions - -0:10:08.880,0:10:12.320 -um and we have a couple of questions on - -0:10:10.880,0:10:14.240 -the pad would you like to read them - -0:10:12.320,0:10:16.560 -yourself or should I read them to you - -0:10:14.240,0:10:18.079 -uh just for sake of easy management why - -0:10:16.560,0:10:21.279 -don't you read them out if that's okay - -0:10:18.079,0:10:22.240 -yeah sure uh so they ask have you looked - -0:10:21.279,0:10:25.440 -into trying - -0:10:22.240,0:10:33.760 -sage math I've long uh long wanted - -0:10:25.440,0:10:36.959 -nothing org files - -0:10:33.760,0:10:39.279 -right and I and I wrote the answer that - -0:10:36.959,0:10:42.079 -we should be possible because one can - -0:10:39.279,0:10:42.079 -call it from a command - -0:10:44.839,0:10:48.640 -okay - -0:10:46.399,0:10:50.079 -and I see there's another sagemath - -0:10:48.640,0:10:52.100 -question that you seem to have answered - -0:10:50.079,0:10:54.880 -as well so I guess I won't repeat that - -0:10:52.100,0:10:56.959 -[Music] - -0:10:54.880,0:11:00.640 -there's let's not forget about embedded - -0:10:56.959,0:11:03.680 -calc in emacs - -0:11:00.640,0:11:05.040 -so so the first demos actually were with - -0:11:03.680,0:11:06.640 -calc so that's that's - -0:11:05.040,0:11:07.839 -useful uh although I think it was a - -0:11:06.640,0:11:08.240 -different kind of a different command - -0:11:07.839,0:11:11.839 -line - -0:11:08.240,0:11:13.839 -well that was the next calc yeah - -0:11:11.839,0:11:15.680 -so sure there is there is calc so that - -0:11:13.839,0:11:19.120 -would be calculus and - -0:11:15.680,0:11:21.839 -calc is already in org mode yeah - -0:11:19.120,0:11:21.839 -yeah yeah - -0:11:25.680,0:11:29.839 -um still looking for questions - -0:11:39.760,0:11:44.320 -okay I think that's about it I don't see - -0:11:41.760,0:11:47.440 -any questions on the ether pad - -0:11:44.320,0:11:50.480 -and let's see - -0:11:47.440,0:11:50.480 -anything on irc - -0:11:53.040,0:11:56.720 -um nothing but phrases and everyone - -0:11:55.760,0:11:59.120 -thanking you - -0:11:56.720,0:12:00.240 -thank you all right you're welcome - -0:11:59.120,0:12:02.880 -thanks a lot uh - -0:12:00.240,0:12:06.800 -we'll see you guys around then cheers - -0:12:02.880,0:12:06.800 -and see you around - |