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First of all, thanks and a huge - -0:00:13.040,0:00:18.400 -welcome to the conference - -0:00:15.360,0:00:22.400 -from me and - -0:00:18.400,0:00:24.720 -and on behalf - -0:00:22.400,0:00:26.080 -and back to the other people that - -0:00:24.720,0:00:29.920 -have been helping to organize. - -0:00:26.080,0:00:30.480 -It's been amazing just to be involved - -0:00:30.480,0:00:35.120 -with that and just, kind of, see - -0:00:32.480,0:00:35.120 -backstage. - -0:00:36.399,0:00:42.960 -So I've used a lot of different editors - -0:00:39.680,0:00:45.440 -in my time. That's - -0:00:42.960,0:00:48.399 -about 25 years as a professional - -0:00:45.440,0:00:48.399 -software engineer. - -0:00:52.399,0:00:56.160 -And most of that time I've been using - -0:00:53.920,0:01:00.960 -Emacs. I'll talk a little bit in a minute - -0:00:56.160,0:01:04.479 -(if I can ever find my slides) - -0:01:00.960,0:01:07.200 -about how I got into Emacs - -0:01:04.479,0:01:10.240 -but I think if you've used Emacs and a - -0:01:07.200,0:01:12.640 -lot of other editors for a long time, - -0:01:10.240,0:01:14.960 -something that you notice right away is that - -0:01:15.200,0:01:18.560 -you get good with it in a way that stays - -0:01:17.520,0:01:20.799 -meaningful. - -0:01:18.560,0:01:24.840 -You learn new things. Those things - -0:01:20.799,0:01:27.600 -stick with you. You learn how to - -0:01:27.600,0:01:30.720 -make it do new tricks and then - -0:01:30.720,0:01:36.799 -keep doing those tricks. - -0:01:33.759,0:01:39.439 -I want to mention that this - -0:01:36.799,0:01:41.439 -conference--oops, - -0:01:39.439,0:01:45.600 -this talk isn't about - -0:01:41.439,0:01:47.520 -how to adjust your - -0:01:45.600,0:01:50.000 -configuration specifically. I don't have - -0:01:47.520,0:01:51.520 -a bunch of good code samples in here. - -0:01:50.000,0:01:54.399 -There are other great talks at the - -0:01:51.520,0:01:57.600 -conference, particularly Andrew's, - -0:01:54.399,0:01:59.920 -that I looked at, that looked - -0:01:57.600,0:02:01.600 -like they might be more aimed at that - -0:01:59.920,0:02:02.240 -"hey, I'm just getting started with Emacs, - -0:02:02.240,0:02:07.200 -what are some things to try to make - -0:02:05.280,0:02:08.879 -it more comfortable for me starting?" This - -0:02:07.200,0:02:09.759 -is about how to think about the problem - -0:02:08.879,0:02:12.959 -space. - -0:02:09.759,0:02:14.080 -Hopefully, a good warm up as we - -0:02:12.959,0:02:17.200 -start thinking about some of the - -0:02:14.080,0:02:20.000 -lightning talks a little later on. - -0:02:17.200,0:02:22.400 -I'm just gonna quickly make sure I - -0:02:20.000,0:02:24.080 -can see my IRC buffer in case I run into - -0:02:22.400,0:02:25.680 -time. I didn't get my stopwatch started - -0:02:24.080,0:02:29.680 -for this one. - -0:02:25.680,0:02:32.879 -So all right, let's dive in. - -0:02:29.680,0:02:33.840 -We assume that we want to install - -0:02:32.879,0:02:36.560 -packages - -0:02:33.840,0:02:38.319 -and maybe configure some features. This - -0:02:36.560,0:02:39.120 -is particularly from the perspective of - -0:02:38.319,0:02:40.800 -where we're working - -0:02:39.120,0:02:42.160 -with a bunch of people on a team and we - -0:02:40.800,0:02:44.800 -want to get something done. - -0:02:42.160,0:02:46.560 -Some of us probably already have mature - -0:02:44.800,0:02:49.280 -Emacs workflows. - -0:02:46.560,0:02:50.319 -Others are installing it for the first - -0:02:49.280,0:02:53.519 -time. - -0:02:53.519,0:02:59.280 -So the first question is, you know, - -0:02:56.879,0:03:00.879 -in that context: what's the value - -0:02:59.280,0:03:02.840 -proposition? Why should I mess with my - -0:03:00.879,0:03:05.599 -machine, my mature Emacs - -0:03:02.840,0:03:07.440 -configuration, and impose my - -0:03:05.599,0:03:10.239 -ideas over the way somebody else is - -0:03:07.440,0:03:12.800 -learning Emacs? Well, - -0:03:10.239,0:03:13.840 -it can be.. I'm off my slides here a - -0:03:12.800,0:03:16.400 -little bit. - -0:03:13.840,0:03:16.959 -It can be a little bit - -0:03:16.400,0:03:20.400 -tricky - -0:03:16.959,0:03:21.440 -to learn Emacs. One thing that - -0:03:20.400,0:03:24.720 -helps us a lot - -0:03:21.440,0:03:26.239 -is if people that we're working with - -0:03:24.720,0:03:28.080 -can tell us, kinda, keystroke for - -0:03:26.239,0:03:30.480 -keystroke at times, what to do and - -0:03:28.080,0:03:32.400 -explain what everything is doing. - -0:03:30.480,0:03:35.840 -Using the same packages can really - -0:03:32.400,0:03:39.840 -help us working together on a project. - -0:03:35.840,0:03:40.720 -Speaking from my personal - -0:03:39.840,0:03:42.959 -experience, - -0:03:40.720,0:03:45.040 -it took me decades to get to the point - -0:03:42.959,0:03:46.720 -where I was excited to program in Emacs - -0:03:45.040,0:03:47.840 -Lisp. I've programmed in a lot of programming - -0:03:46.720,0:03:51.200 -languages, - -0:03:47.840,0:03:53.680 -but Lisp wasn't on my list. I looked at - -0:03:51.200,0:03:56.319 -my config that I was copy-pasting around - -0:03:53.680,0:03:57.519 -from generation after generation of - -0:03:56.319,0:03:59.519 -.Emacs file or - -0:03:57.519,0:04:00.799 -recrafting it from hand and from Internet - -0:03:59.519,0:04:03.519 -searches, - -0:04:00.799,0:04:05.680 -to get the things that I needed when - -0:04:03.519,0:04:07.680 -I would quickly go install Emacs at some - -0:04:05.680,0:04:10.959 -new job or contract, - -0:04:07.680,0:04:13.680 -and - -0:04:10.959,0:04:15.280 -be able to to quickly get through that - -0:04:13.680,0:04:17.440 -workflow that caused me to install the - -0:04:15.280,0:04:20.560 -program. - -0:04:17.440,0:04:23.440 -You know, just - -0:04:20.560,0:04:25.199 -little simple one-liners that that - -0:04:23.440,0:04:27.120 -got committed to memory over decades - -0:04:25.199,0:04:28.880 -eventually just led me to a sort of "hey what's going on - -0:04:27.120,0:04:31.680 -here." And I credit - -0:04:28.880,0:04:33.520 -Jeff Goff, my good friend who died - -0:04:31.680,0:04:37.759 -earlier in 2020, - -0:04:33.520,0:04:39.280 -for my lifelong love of Emacs. - -0:04:37.759,0:04:40.800 -Perhaps EriK and I will talk about that - -0:04:39.280,0:04:41.360 -a little bit more in another talk we - -0:04:40.800,0:04:43.280 -have - -0:04:41.360,0:04:44.400 -scheduled, but Jeff was a huge - -0:04:43.280,0:04:47.280 -influenceo on us - -0:04:44.400,0:04:48.720 -in a number of ways and a huge - -0:04:47.280,0:04:50.720 -contributor to the Raku programming - -0:04:48.720,0:04:54.000 -language - -0:04:50.720,0:04:54.000 -which is very cool. - -0:04:54.840,0:05:01.039 -So, understanding how - -0:04:58.880,0:05:03.120 -to make a good decision about splitting - -0:05:01.039,0:05:03.680 -up configuration in a way to share it - -0:05:03.120,0:05:05.600 -across - -0:05:03.680,0:05:07.600 -people with really different uses of - -0:05:05.600,0:05:09.360 -Emacs... That's actually a - -0:05:07.600,0:05:11.039 -complicated topic and I want to - -0:05:09.360,0:05:12.639 -sort of back off and stare at it for a - -0:05:11.039,0:05:15.840 -second. - -0:05:12.639,0:05:18.720 -I think Emacs is about people, so that - -0:05:15.840,0:05:22.000 -means it's about community. - -0:05:18.720,0:05:24.960 -And community means we're going to - -0:05:22.000,0:05:29.120 -invite disagreement. - -0:05:24.960,0:05:32.160 -In fact, that disagreement - -0:05:29.120,0:05:33.280 -isn't necessarily a road-block to our - -0:05:32.160,0:05:35.680 -project. In fact, - -0:05:33.280,0:05:37.759 -some of the work that a community - -0:05:35.680,0:05:39.680 -project can invite us to do - -0:05:37.759,0:05:40.960 -is to get closer to each other by - -0:05:39.680,0:05:42.080 -inviting those disagreements, by - -0:05:40.960,0:05:43.280 -learning from them--learning from - -0:05:42.080,0:05:46.880 -different people's - -0:05:43.280,0:05:49.120 -styles and from how they argue, - -0:05:46.880,0:05:50.400 -and thinking about why they have that - -0:05:49.120,0:05:53.680 -perspective and - -0:05:50.400,0:05:55.360 -what technical benefits that - -0:05:53.680,0:05:56.720 -perhaps radical point of view might - -0:05:55.360,0:05:59.039 -carry away. Some people are really - -0:05:56.720,0:06:01.919 -aggressive arguers, and others - -0:05:59.039,0:06:03.120 -are very passive and really - -0:06:01.919,0:06:06.240 -couch their ideas - -0:06:03.120,0:06:08.080 -in distancing terms, to say, "well - -0:06:06.240,0:06:12.479 -probably, this is a good idea" or - -0:06:08.080,0:06:15.520 -"please double check me." - -0:06:12.479,0:06:17.120 -Those don't always necessarily indicate - -0:06:15.520,0:06:18.479 -how certain a person is, because we're - -0:06:17.120,0:06:19.520 -different. We have different ways of - -0:06:18.479,0:06:23.380 -communicating - -0:06:19.520,0:06:24.560 -ideas like certainty or excitement. - -0:06:23.380,0:06:26.560 -[Music] - -0:06:24.560,0:06:30.000 -When we think about a bunch of really - -0:06:26.560,0:06:33.280 -diverse programmers approaching Emacs, - -0:06:30.000,0:06:36.479 -probably one of our our first really big - -0:06:33.280,0:06:39.759 -challenges is just - -0:06:36.479,0:06:41.120 -to pick what we're going to go - -0:06:39.759,0:06:44.000 -after. There are a lot of - -0:06:41.120,0:06:45.759 -existing kit - -0:06:44.000,0:06:49.599 -installs and things like this. - -0:06:49.599,0:06:54.400 -My argument is that you could actually - -0:06:52.880,0:06:56.560 -get pretty far - -0:06:54.400,0:06:58.319 -just trading files around. Maybe the - -0:06:56.560,0:07:02.240 -more valuable - -0:07:02.240,0:07:06.080 -conversation to have is making the - -0:07:04.720,0:07:08.000 -hard decisions about, well, - -0:07:06.080,0:07:10.080 -"should we have vertical completion," - -0:07:08.000,0:07:11.759 -should that be the out of the box, - -0:07:10.080,0:07:15.680 -and the people that want - -0:07:11.759,0:07:17.440 -the traditional splayed out over a - -0:07:15.680,0:07:19.840 -single line completion - -0:07:17.440,0:07:20.800 -for example in the mode line, those - -0:07:19.840,0:07:22.800 -people are going to - -0:07:20.800,0:07:24.160 -add a line of config - -0:07:24.160,0:07:27.199 -to their own setup? - -0:07:29.039,0:07:34.080 -The way to get there? I mean, how do we - -0:07:32.479,0:07:35.520 -find out what works? We don't want to - -0:07:34.080,0:07:38.800 -slow down the people that - -0:07:35.520,0:07:40.479 -are super productive with Emacs by - -0:07:38.800,0:07:42.080 -asking them to completely break their - -0:07:40.479,0:07:42.560 -workflows and make it easier for new - -0:07:42.080,0:07:46.240 -folks. - -0:07:42.560,0:07:48.960 -At the same time, we do - -0:07:46.240,0:07:51.280 -want to make sure those new people are - -0:07:48.960,0:07:52.720 -excited by Emacs and not turned off by - -0:07:51.280,0:07:56.319 -having to learn - -0:07:52.720,0:07:59.840 -the entire jungle of Emacs - -0:07:56.319,0:08:03.120 -history in the form of its - -0:07:59.840,0:08:06.160 -unique technical stylings for - -0:08:03.120,0:08:09.840 -things like frames, - -0:08:06.160,0:08:12.960 -buffers, and other unique - -0:08:09.840,0:08:16.240 -Emacs viewpoints on important - -0:08:12.960,0:08:18.720 -interface concepts, especially. - -0:08:16.240,0:08:19.520 -The encouragement here is to keep - -0:08:19.520,0:08:23.280 -the initialization for a project team - -0:08:21.680,0:08:25.280 -together as a crucible. - -0:08:23.280,0:08:27.680 -Rather than necessarily following our - -0:08:25.280,0:08:31.440 -defaults of - -0:08:31.440,0:08:35.120 -finding the simplest configuration - -0:08:33.279,0:08:37.440 -that generally work and letting people - -0:08:35.120,0:08:40.479 -customize it, - -0:08:37.440,0:08:42.560 -what if we tried to look - -0:08:40.479,0:08:44.159 -for fairly specific configurations that - -0:08:42.560,0:08:46.320 -we'll expect essentially all of our - -0:08:44.159,0:08:50.320 -developers to be using, - -0:08:46.320,0:08:50.320 -at least when they submit bug reports. - -0:08:52.839,0:08:58.800 -In particular, with this, - -0:08:55.920,0:08:59.839 -I think that degree of - -0:08:58.800,0:09:01.680 -experimentation - -0:08:59.839,0:09:03.360 -can drive back into the Emacs - -0:09:01.680,0:09:04.800 -development process. In the development - -0:09:03.360,0:09:07.760 -mailing list... - -0:09:04.800,0:09:09.680 -I'm hoping I'll get a timing cue - -0:09:07.760,0:09:14.000 -here. - -0:09:15.120,0:09:18.320 -In the context of Emacs development as a - -0:09:17.760,0:09:20.959 -greater - -0:09:18.320,0:09:22.399 -entity, we see some of these struggles. - -0:09:20.959,0:09:24.000 -Should we change this default? - -0:09:22.399,0:09:26.720 -Sometimes we can have the - -0:09:24.000,0:09:29.279 -sense that defaults in Emacs will never - -0:09:26.720,0:09:30.959 -change. The conversation is too difficult. - -0:09:29.279,0:09:32.560 -I think one thing that can help us get - -0:09:30.959,0:09:36.160 -there is evidence - -0:09:32.560,0:09:38.880 -that says, "hey my 30- to 40-person project - -0:09:36.160,0:09:40.399 -is using this set of bindings and - -0:09:38.880,0:09:42.240 -here's what we learned about - -0:09:40.399,0:09:43.519 -brand new Emacs users trying to come in - -0:09:42.240,0:09:46.800 -and get work done with that." - -0:09:46.800,0:09:50.720 -(Amin: Yeah you still have - -0:09:49.360,0:09:52.640 -a couple more minutes) - -0:09:50.720,0:09:54.160 -Oh, beautiful. Okay, great. I will try to - -0:09:52.640,0:09:54.720 -get through my last few slides that i - -0:09:54.160,0:09:56.320 -cut - -0:09:54.720,0:09:58.320 -in my last walkthrough, but I think i'm - -0:09:56.320,0:10:00.640 -going quicker today thank you. - -0:09:58.320,0:10:00.640 -Thank you. - -0:10:02.000,0:10:06.800 -So let's just recap real quick: - -0:10:05.120,0:10:10.399 -in theory, Emacs works - -0:10:06.800,0:10:10.720 -out of the box. That means we're - -0:10:10.720,0:10:17.120 -free to experiment. We can - -0:10:14.079,0:10:20.399 -throw it all away and start over. - -0:10:17.120,0:10:23.760 -As an organizational principle... - -0:10:26.000,0:10:30.079 -I don't know what I was thinking on that - -0:10:27.360,0:10:32.240 -slide, excuse me. - -0:10:30.079,0:10:33.440 -Bringing it back around - -0:10:32.240,0:10:35.680 -to the free - -0:10:33.440,0:10:36.480 -and open source software community, - -0:10:35.680,0:10:39.519 -our goal - -0:10:36.480,0:10:41.440 -is to enable users - -0:10:39.519,0:10:43.040 -to unlock their computers, to do as much - -0:10:41.440,0:10:45.600 -with them as possible. - -0:10:43.040,0:10:47.680 -That's the context to take with project - -0:10:45.600,0:10:49.560 -initialization, but sometimes - -0:10:47.680,0:10:50.800 -it could make sense to put... - -0:10:49.560,0:10:53.040 -[Music] - -0:10:50.800,0:10:54.880 -to put some gloves on. I've thrown up on - -0:10:53.040,0:10:57.279 -the screen here just a couple of other - -0:10:54.880,0:10:57.920 -ideas, ways to maybe think outside of the - -0:10:57.279,0:11:00.399 -box. - -0:10:57.920,0:11:01.440 -As you're putting together project - -0:11:00.399,0:11:04.959 -nets, - -0:11:01.440,0:11:05.519 -my words of encouragement are to experiment - -0:11:04.959,0:11:09.200 -with it, - -0:11:05.519,0:11:10.560 -try different things, and think really - -0:11:09.200,0:11:14.320 -specifically about how - -0:11:10.560,0:11:17.760 -different the development users - -0:11:14.320,0:11:21.680 -might be from each other as you - -0:11:17.760,0:11:23.519 -define standards for configuring - -0:11:21.680,0:11:25.360 -the user environment of Emacs - -0:11:23.519,0:11:29.120 -specifically for developing - -0:11:25.360,0:11:30.480 -on a project. That's pretty much my talk. - -0:11:29.120,0:11:32.959 -If there's any time, I would take a - -0:11:30.480,0:11:35.040 -couple questions. - -0:11:32.959,0:11:36.480 -Thank you for your awesome talk, - -0:11:35.040,0:11:38.160 -Corwin. - -0:11:36.480,0:11:43.839 -I think we have one or two - -0:11:38.160,0:11:43.839 -minutes for a few questions. - -0:11:49.519,0:11:53.839 -Do you have the pad open or would you - -0:11:52.000,0:11:56.959 -like me to read the questions for you? - -0:11:53.839,0:11:58.000 -Oh, I managed to close the - -0:11:56.959,0:12:00.560 -pad - -0:11:58.000,0:12:03.440 -and I am trying to open it again. All - -0:12:00.560,0:12:03.440 -right, there it opened. - -0:12:03.519,0:12:06.880 -Bringing it onto a screen where I can - -0:12:05.040,0:12:08.399 -see it. Will you read me the - -0:12:06.880,0:12:09.360 -first question while I drag windows - -0:12:08.399,0:12:12.720 -around, please? - -0:12:09.360,0:12:15.600 -(Amin: Sure. It says, "do you use Emacs as a - -0:12:12.720,0:12:17.680 -community building tool?") - -0:12:15.600,0:12:19.760 -Do I use Emacs as a community building - -0:12:17.680,0:12:23.519 -tool, or how do I? - -0:12:19.760,0:12:26.720 -(Amin: It just says do you.) Yes, absolutely. - -0:12:23.519,0:12:29.920 -I think Emacs is an ambassador to - -0:12:26.720,0:12:33.279 -the GNU tool chain. - -0:12:29.920,0:12:34.560 -I think that in the fullness of time, we - -0:12:33.279,0:12:38.240 -will see an Emacs - -0:12:34.560,0:12:42.000 -that makes - -0:12:38.240,0:12:42.800 -and that makes iOS and Android and other - -0:12:42.000,0:12:45.680 -closed-source - -0:12:42.800,0:12:46.320 -tools dream. That's why they mock us - -0:12:45.680,0:12:49.200 -and call - -0:12:46.320,0:12:51.440 -Emacs an operating system. It's because - -0:12:49.200,0:12:53.920 -it could be, if we cared for it to be. - -0:12:51.440,0:12:55.680 -It's quite a threatening product - -0:12:55.680,0:12:59.440 -from the perspective of how many problem - -0:12:57.440,0:13:01.519 -spaces it can address, how many types of - -0:12:59.440,0:13:04.399 -users it can satisfy, - -0:13:01.519,0:13:05.600 -the things that we can do to make - -0:13:04.399,0:13:07.839 -it robust in those - -0:13:05.600,0:13:09.760 -environments. I mean, we're always - -0:13:07.839,0:13:11.839 -thinking about the weak points, but - -0:13:09.760,0:13:14.079 -is Emacs a community building tool? Heck - -0:13:11.839,0:13:14.079 -yeah. - -0:13:14.639,0:13:18.480 -(Amin: There's like one or two more - -0:13:17.920,0:13:21.519 -questions. - -0:13:18.480,0:13:22.480 -I think they're more long-form so it - -0:13:21.519,0:13:24.000 -might be better - -0:13:22.480,0:13:26.880 -if you took them off stream so you - -0:13:24.000,0:13:28.959 -could keep the schedule on time.) - -0:13:26.880,0:13:31.040 -i would love to take those questions - -0:13:28.959,0:13:32.399 -offline. I will respond to you in - -0:13:31.040,0:13:33.360 -writing if we don't get to it in a - -0:13:32.399,0:13:35.519 -breakout room. - -0:13:33.360,0:13:36.639 -Thanks so much for joining us. I - -0:13:35.519,0:13:38.000 -can't wait to see the rest of the - -0:13:36.639,0:13:42.800 -conference. See you there! - -0:13:38.000,0:13:42.800 -(Amin: Awesome. Thank you again so much, Corwin.) - |