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I'm in. + +00:00:05.319 --> 00:00:08.393 +So you've just had a little roundup of +the news, + +00:00:08.393 --> 00:00:11.120 +and we're going to get started now with +some presentations. + +00:00:11.120 --> 00:00:15.920 +We're starting with user +developer stories. + +00:00:15.920 --> 00:00:18.568 +I was extremely interested in +this section + +00:00:18.568 --> 00:00:21.133 +because I wanted to get +a chance, basically, + +00:00:21.133 --> 00:00:24.160 +to tell you a little more about +who I am and + +00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.160 +how I got from basically being +a user of Emacs + +00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.279 +to being nowadays a package maintainer, + +00:00:31.279 --> 00:00:34.156 +and maybe more in the future. I don't +know. + +00:00:34.156 --> 00:00:36.954 +So, just for the organizers, I'm +planning to speak for 15 minutes, + +00:00:36.954 --> 00:00:39.680 +and I'll have five more minutes of +questions at the end. + +00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:41.880 +As I told you before, if you want to have +questions, + +00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.440 +you know you can use the pad, + +00:00:43.440 --> 00:00:45.871 +and I'll be reading the questions from +there. + +00:00:45.871 --> 00:00:49.600 +Okay. So hi there, as Amin introduced me +before, + +00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.280 +my name is Leo Vivier. + +00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.662 +I'm a freelance software engineer +in France, + +00:00:55.662 --> 00:00:59.359 +and I have been using Emacs now for + +00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:00.885 +I believe close to eight years. + +00:01:00.885 --> 00:01:03.039 +I can't believe it's been so long. + +00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:09.967 +But yes, it's been a journey because, +in a way, + +00:01:09.967 --> 00:01:13.255 +nothing made me go for Emacs. + +00:01:13.255 --> 00:01:17.011 +You know I'm an-- sorry, I was about to +say Emacs major, + +00:01:17.011 --> 00:01:18.638 +but no, I'm an English major. + +00:01:18.638 --> 00:01:23.990 +I went to university to study English +literature and linguistics, + +00:01:23.990 --> 00:01:26.159 +and I just got started in Emacs + +00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:28.240 +because I was looking for ways to take + +00:01:28.240 --> 00:01:31.340 +better notes. I was looking for ways to + +00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.640 +structure the way I was learning, + +00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.084 +structure the way I was taking notes. + +00:01:38.084 --> 00:01:40.079 +I stumbled one day + +00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.032 +upon this weird piece of software + +00:01:42.032 --> 00:01:43.759 +which was called Emacs, + +00:01:43.759 --> 00:01:46.479 +and I've been trapped forever since, + +00:01:46.479 --> 00:01:48.328 +basically, because eight years ago, + +00:01:48.328 --> 00:01:49.515 +when I discovered Emacs, + +00:01:49.515 --> 00:01:50.632 +I just couldn't let go. + +00:01:50.632 --> 00:01:52.720 +There was just something very + +00:01:52.720 --> 00:01:54.487 +interesting about the way + +00:01:54.487 --> 00:01:56.320 +you configured your setup, + +00:01:56.320 --> 00:01:59.759 +and I just wanted to +dive deeper and deeper. + +00:01:59.759 --> 00:02:04.320 +So the title is of this talk exactly is + +00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:07.637 +how I went from user to package +maintainer, + +00:02:07.637 --> 00:02:09.686 +and the package now that I'm maintaining + +00:02:09.686 --> 00:02:12.080 +is called org-roam. I'm not the only one +doing this. + +00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:18.720 +I'm helped with many lovely people +working on org-roam. + +00:02:18.720 --> 00:02:22.149 +I got started as a maintainer +only this year, + +00:02:22.149 --> 00:02:23.360 +so that means that for + +00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:24.720 +the eight years I've been + +00:02:24.720 --> 00:02:27.360 +an Emacs user, seven of those years were + +00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.200 +spent merely being a user + +00:02:29.200 --> 00:02:31.040 +trying to be a sponge for knowledge, + +00:02:31.040 --> 00:02:33.920 +trying to learn as much as I could. + +00:02:33.920 --> 00:02:36.800 +I believe it would be + +00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.040 +interesting for me to share my story + +00:02:39.040 --> 00:02:40.959 +because I believe that I'm far from + +00:02:40.959 --> 00:02:42.160 +being the only user + +00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:44.327 +who can make the jump to being a +maintainer. + +00:02:44.327 --> 00:02:47.572 +A lot of you have a lot of knowledge +when it comes to Emacs. + +00:02:47.572 --> 00:02:51.040 +Some of you are at different steps in +your journey. + +00:02:51.040 --> 00:02:52.720 +Some of you, for instance, are just + +00:02:52.720 --> 00:02:55.680 +starting to copy stuff out of + +00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.058 +StackExchange into your Emacs +configuration. + +00:02:59.058 --> 00:03:01.599 +Let's say you want to do something very +particular + +00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.480 +and you haven't found a way to do so. + +00:03:04.480 --> 00:03:05.527 +You go on StackExchange. + +00:03:05.527 --> 00:03:07.930 +You find something that's interesting. + +00:03:07.930 --> 00:03:10.077 +You add it to your Emacs configuration. + +00:03:10.077 --> 00:03:11.680 +You barely understand anything that's +going on. + +00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.800 +You know that it's supposed to be Emacs +Lisp. + +00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.200 +"I hardly know Emacs and + +00:03:17.200 --> 00:03:19.440 +I know even less what is Lisp supposed +to be." + +00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:22.172 +But you paste it in, and it does what +you want it to do, + +00:03:22.172 --> 00:03:26.682 +and you say "Great, I'll move on to my +work now." + +00:03:26.682 --> 00:03:28.821 +So that's how I got started. + +00:03:28.821 --> 00:03:33.888 +I had a very spartan setup for Emacs, +which a lot of you must know... + +00:03:33.888 --> 00:03:36.000 +The first time you launch Emacs, + +00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:36.920 +you have this feeling + +00:03:36.920 --> 00:03:38.852 +that you're jumping 20 years +back in time, + +00:03:38.852 --> 00:03:43.260 +as far as the user interface is +concerned. + +00:03:43.260 --> 00:03:46.959 +But as you get to spend more time with +Emacs... + +00:03:46.959 --> 00:03:49.120 +Some would call it Stockholm syndrome + +00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:50.959 +insofar as you can't see + +00:03:50.959 --> 00:03:52.929 +how spartan the entire thing is, + +00:03:52.929 --> 00:03:58.400 +but it actually is a lovely prison, +so to speak. + +00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.400 +That's how I got started eight years ago. + +00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.319 +I just wanted to find a way to do my +research properly. + +00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:05.699 +I wanted to have a tool + +00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:07.280 +that I could use to write my notes + +00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.959 +in plain text, because I was already + +00:04:08.959 --> 00:04:16.320 +fairly averse to Microsoft solutions +when it came to taking notes. + +00:04:16.320 --> 00:04:19.180 +So yeah, I got started in Emacs. + +00:04:19.180 --> 00:04:21.651 +I read a little bit about what plain +text was about. + +00:04:21.651 --> 00:04:24.364 +Just to be clear, at the time, yes, + +00:04:24.364 --> 00:04:27.120 +I was very good with computers, + +00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.160 +but I was not a computer science student. + +00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.302 +I had barely any experience with +programming and coding, + +00:04:34.302 --> 00:04:39.919 +and I was even less of a hacker +back then. + +00:04:39.919 --> 00:04:43.052 +It just goes to show you that +at the beginning, + +00:04:43.052 --> 00:04:44.479 +I had close to no knowledge, + +00:04:44.479 --> 00:04:45.840 +whether it be about + +00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:47.457 +the free software world, + +00:04:47.457 --> 00:04:48.880 +whether it be about... + +00:04:48.880 --> 00:04:50.290 +Sacha, do you want to say something? + +00:04:50.290 --> 00:04:52.479 +(Sacha: just confirming, you're not +sharing anything + +00:04:52.479 --> 00:04:54.080 +on the screen at the moment, right?) + +00:04:54.080 --> 00:04:55.204 +No, I'm not sharing anything, + +00:04:55.204 --> 00:04:59.040 +I'm just presenting. + +00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.173 +So when I started, + +00:05:01.173 --> 00:05:03.680 +I had no experience whatsoever. + +00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:07.199 +I was just a literature major + +00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.039 +trying to get better at taking notes. + +00:05:11.039 --> 00:05:12.466 +I stumbled upon LaTeX. + +00:05:12.466 --> 00:05:15.280 +As many people who stumble upon +LaTeX know, + +00:05:15.280 --> 00:05:17.519 +you don't just stumble upon LaTeX, + +00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:21.950 +you embroil yourself in the turmoil of +suffering, + +00:05:21.950 --> 00:05:24.560 +of late nights tweaking, + +00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.923 +so that your document is exactly + +00:05:26.923 --> 00:05:33.440 +in the perfect shape you want it to be. + +00:05:33.440 --> 00:05:36.639 +Soon after, when I got started with +Emacs and LaTeX, + +00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.334 +I discovered something that truly +changed my life, + +00:05:39.334 --> 00:05:40.560 +and it was Org Mode. + +00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.479 +As you'll get a lot of presentations + +00:05:44.479 --> 00:05:46.960 +this afternoon about Org Mode, + +00:05:46.960 --> 00:05:49.360 +I won't be spending too much time on it. + +00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.680 +But Org Mode, for me, was a +revelation. It's... + +00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.869 +There was something that, + +00:05:55.869 --> 00:05:59.039 +upon reading articles on +how to use Org Mode, + +00:05:59.039 --> 00:06:02.453 +especially one of the key +articles + +00:06:02.453 --> 00:06:04.160 +that I'd read which really made + +00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.000 +a huge impact on me + +00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.199 +was the "Organize Your Life in Plain +Text" one, + +00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.240 +which I'm sure many of you must have +stumbled upon + +00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.919 +in your Emacs journey... + +00:06:15.919 --> 00:06:20.307 +For me, when I stumbled upon this +document, + +00:06:20.307 --> 00:06:22.488 +I was starting to get interested + +00:06:22.488 --> 00:06:24.240 +in Getting Things Done and + +00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.560 +all the nitty-gritty stuff about + +00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.199 +organization and self-organization. + +00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.960 +It just felt like everything was under +my fingertips + +00:06:32.960 --> 00:06:36.960 +to make the perfect workflow. + +00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:44.080 +There was something incredibly +satisfying about + +00:06:44.080 --> 00:06:45.834 +having a system that gave you + +00:06:45.834 --> 00:06:48.319 +so many options to configure your +experience + +00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.160 +exactly how you wanted. + +00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.479 +You had this feeling that + +00:06:54.479 --> 00:06:57.599 +the people behind Org Mode had thought +of everything, + +00:06:57.599 --> 00:07:00.479 +whichever small adjustment + +00:07:00.479 --> 00:07:02.000 +that you needed in workflow + +00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.440 +whether it be more states for your +TODOs, + +00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:07.520 +whether it be, oh, I want my weeks to + +00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:09.360 +start on Monday and not on Saturday, + +00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.520 +oh, it's half past one and I need to... + +00:07:13.520 --> 00:07:15.280 +in the morning, I mean, and I need to make + +00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:17.680 +sure that the item that I'm marking as done + +00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:18.759 +is done for the day before + +00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.233 +and not for the current day. + +00:07:20.233 --> 00:07:21.919 +You see what I'm talking about. + +00:07:21.919 --> 00:07:25.280 +So many details that were already + +00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:27.235 +present in Org Mode. + +00:07:27.235 --> 00:07:31.335 +At first you're really impressed, +because you think, wow, + +00:07:31.335 --> 00:07:33.470 +they thought of everything, + +00:07:33.470 --> 00:07:36.378 +but then you realize that it's just a +matter of experience, + +00:07:36.378 --> 00:07:39.712 +just a matter of people +contributing code, + +00:07:39.712 --> 00:07:42.171 +because the development of Org Mode, +Emacs, + +00:07:42.171 --> 00:07:44.455 +and everything is just +open to the public. + +00:07:44.455 --> 00:07:45.440 +You know, it's like + +00:07:45.440 --> 00:07:47.685 +everything is being done +with the garage door opened. + +00:07:47.685 --> 00:07:50.402 +You can just go on Org Mode on Savannah + +00:07:50.402 --> 00:07:54.800 +and see everything that is being +developed. + +00:07:54.800 --> 00:08:01.586 +For me, the shift that occurred in my +mind was + +00:08:01.586 --> 00:08:04.139 +when I was reading all the options, + +00:08:04.139 --> 00:08:05.881 +I was looking at all the variables + +00:08:05.881 --> 00:08:08.160 +that I could modify for Org Mode, + +00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.560 +and there came a time, maybe two to +three years ago, + +00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.599 +where I thought, oh wow, + +00:08:15.599 --> 00:08:17.759 +maybe for the first time in a while, + +00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:19.260 +there is no option for me to do + +00:08:19.260 --> 00:08:21.440 +what I want to be doing with Org Mode. + +00:08:21.440 --> 00:08:23.668 +I believe at the time, + +00:08:23.668 --> 00:08:29.199 +the key issue that triggered +this reflex for me was + +00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.039 +I wanted to do something with the agenda. + +00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:34.159 +I wanted to have a super category so, +you know, in the... + +00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.606 +for those of you who know, +in your agenda, + +00:08:36.606 --> 00:08:38.376 +you have the ability to +have many files, + +00:08:38.376 --> 00:08:41.200 +and you have the ability to have +categories. + +00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:47.920 +I wanted somehow to group my + +00:08:47.920 --> 00:08:51.680 +TODOs in smaller groups, or bigger + +00:08:51.680 --> 00:08:52.560 +groups, I should say, + +00:08:52.560 --> 00:08:53.780 +so that, for instance, I could have + +00:08:53.780 --> 00:08:55.131 +one group for my professional life, + +00:08:55.131 --> 00:08:57.462 +I could have a group for one work, + +00:08:57.462 --> 00:08:59.600 +the second work... + +00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.800 +I could have something for university +and all this. + +00:09:02.800 --> 00:09:09.600 +I thought, yeah, I think I'd like this. + +00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.959 +After having spent so long working + +00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:15.519 +with Emacs and working with Org Mode, + +00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:16.766 +I had some ideas about + +00:09:16.766 --> 00:09:19.292 +what was within the realm of possibility +and what wasn't. + +00:09:19.292 --> 00:09:21.120 +Here I thought to myself, + +00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.320 +this is definitely something that I can do. + +00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.839 +And so thus started my journey + +00:09:27.839 --> 00:09:31.360 +into the Org Mode libraries. + +00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.222 +I won't go too much into details +right now, + +00:09:33.222 --> 00:09:34.959 +because right now, the main objective + +00:09:34.959 --> 00:09:37.040 +that I have is just to show you + +00:09:37.040 --> 00:09:40.240 +how simple it is to become a maintainer, + +00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.800 +how to become more involved with the +development. + +00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:46.320 +The libraries in Org Mode, + +00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.320 +they're written in Elisp, which is a very... + +00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.080 +It might seem like an obscure language, + +00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.080 +and it certainly is, + +00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.279 +but as soon as you get the logic of the +language--and + +00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.136 +what I'm telling you is coming from +someone + +00:10:00.136 --> 00:10:01.760 +who's never studied programming-- + +00:10:01.760 --> 00:10:04.399 +it made sense. + +00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:05.534 +Everything is so verbose + +00:10:05.534 --> 00:10:07.279 +when you get into the code. + +00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.065 +When you learn the rudiments +of Elisp, + +00:10:11.065 --> 00:10:13.360 +you start getting to the code, + +00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:15.229 +and you start thinking, wow, + +00:10:15.229 --> 00:10:17.120 +okay that makes sense, + +00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:21.360 +and you start developing a logic +for all this. + +00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.720 +So, equipped as I was with this + +00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.760 +new knowledge, I went on my project, + +00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:30.000 +I went into the Org agenda code, + +00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:30.880 +and I thought, okay, + +00:10:30.880 --> 00:10:34.640 +is there anything that I can use to do +my bidding? + +00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:39.733 +Fast forward maybe two to three weeks of +intense turmoil + +00:10:39.733 --> 00:10:46.079 +and many nights which were spent +single-mindedly working on this project, + +00:10:46.079 --> 00:10:48.781 +two weeks after, I had something +that was working, + +00:10:48.781 --> 00:10:51.680 +and I was pretty happy about it. + +00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:54.849 +That was a key landmark for me, + +00:10:54.849 --> 00:10:56.800 +because when that happened, + +00:10:56.800 --> 00:10:58.860 +it just felt like, okay, + +00:10:58.860 --> 00:11:01.335 +I can contribute something to Org Mode, + +00:11:01.335 --> 00:11:07.600 +and I can do something that would +benefit as many people as possible. + +00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:08.970 +And to me, that was the click. + +00:11:08.970 --> 00:11:10.530 +That's when it occurred. + +00:11:10.530 --> 00:11:14.640 +That's when I went on my first project +and I did something + +00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:18.079 +that felt useful to the community. + +00:11:18.079 --> 00:11:19.945 +And nowadays, as I told you, + +00:11:19.945 --> 00:11:22.640 +I maintain packages, but really, nothing +has changed. + +00:11:22.640 --> 00:11:24.399 +The only thing, maybe, that has changed + +00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.320 +is that I've turned my mind onto other +problems. + +00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.000 +Maybe I've got three more minutes, + +00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.279 +and I'd like to finish by + +00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.399 +maybe something a little different. + +00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:39.449 +I've told you my Emacs story + +00:11:39.449 --> 00:11:42.924 +and I hope I've stressed how little +effort it took me + +00:11:42.924 --> 00:11:46.560 +to move from steps to steps on the +ladder. + +00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:48.959 +The ladder implies a sense of hierarchy, +but it really isn't. + +00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:53.920 +Whatever your step on the journey of +Emacs is... + +00:11:53.920 --> 00:11:55.830 +Some of you might be at the step + +00:11:55.830 --> 00:11:57.440 +where you're really worried + +00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.360 +about learning Elisp because it feels + +00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.399 +like such a monumental task to be +undertaking + +00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.720 +and you have no experience whatsoever, + +00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.079 +but the thing is, + +00:12:06.079 --> 00:12:07.839 +maybe you could try climbing this first + +00:12:07.839 --> 00:12:09.600 +step on the ladder. Maybe you could try, + +00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.200 +if you have any project, + +00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.120 +if you've been using Org Mode, + +00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.600 +maybe one day you thought, "oh, yes, + +00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.160 +I wish I could do this but I can't," + +00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:19.920 +or maybe do try to do this, + +00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:21.442 +maybe do try to change something + +00:12:21.442 --> 00:12:23.279 +in a major mode that you're using + +00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.560 +and which you feel might be better. + +00:12:26.560 --> 00:12:28.722 +I think Emacs, Org Mode, + +00:12:28.722 --> 00:12:31.040 +and all free software in general + +00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:34.720 +has this tendency to give you this idea + +00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.720 +that I can be a hacker + +00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.360 +in the sense of the term + +00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.200 +that you're modifying things + +00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.320 +to do your bidding. + +00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.042 +For me, I believe this to be + +00:12:48.042 --> 00:12:50.320 +a very healthy attitude towards +software. + +00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.079 +As Amin said in the very beginning, + +00:12:54.079 --> 00:12:57.279 +we are doing this entire presentation-- + +00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.800 +sorry, this entire conference with +free software. + +00:13:00.800 --> 00:13:01.686 +Just see all the things + +00:13:01.686 --> 00:13:03.920 +we've been able to do in free software. + +00:13:03.920 --> 00:13:10.399 +For me, Emacs was my gateway, +so to speak, + +00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:14.399 +into how to contribute to free software, + +00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:18.639 +about the philosophy that surrounds it. + +00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.003 +What I would like to do... + +00:13:20.003 --> 00:13:21.375 +I'll finish on this note and then + +00:13:21.375 --> 00:13:23.360 +I'll be taking your questions. + +00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.480 +Just try. + +00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.592 +You've read on Reddit + +00:13:28.592 --> 00:13:31.807 +that you need to go through the Elisp +manual in Emacs. + +00:13:31.807 --> 00:13:35.920 +You might be scared, but just do it. +Just give it a shot. + +00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:38.560 +Just give it maybe one afternoon. + +00:13:38.560 --> 00:13:39.199 +Try to read it. + +00:13:39.199 --> 00:13:43.120 +Try to see if this appeals to your mind. + +00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.230 +If you've been interested enough + +00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:45.241 +in my presentation right now, + +00:13:45.241 --> 00:13:47.199 +and if you're interested enough in any +of the talks + +00:13:47.199 --> 00:13:49.519 +you're going to have during the entire +conference, + +00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:50.747 +do give it a shot. + +00:13:50.747 --> 00:13:52.959 +I'm pretty sure you will like +the journey + +00:13:52.959 --> 00:13:55.418 +on which you will be embarking upon. + +00:13:55.418 --> 00:13:57.120 +So I believe I'm finishing +one minute early, + +00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.040 +but I see quite a bit of questions already. + +00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:04.320 +I'm not sure. Sacha, should I + +00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:05.847 +just be reading the questions, + +00:14:05.847 --> 00:14:08.639 +or do you want to be feeding me the +questions? + +00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:10.755 +(Amin: It's really up to you. + +00:14:10.755 --> 00:14:12.320 +It's completely up to you. + +00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:13.600 +If you've got the questions + +00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.839 +open and can take them or read them, + +00:14:15.839 --> 00:14:18.320 +by all means, please.) + +00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:19.420 +Okay, well, I'm going to read them + +00:14:19.420 --> 00:14:20.581 +because I've got them on the side. + +00:14:20.581 --> 00:14:22.800 +I'm going to start with the one at the +bottom. + +00:14:22.800 --> 00:14:24.959 +"Do you feel that being a white male + +00:14:24.959 --> 00:14:26.959 +contributed to your experience?" + +00:14:26.959 --> 00:14:29.165 +Yeah. I mean, I do believe... + +00:14:29.165 --> 00:14:30.771 +There's an idea of privilege. + +00:14:30.771 --> 00:14:33.250 +I mean, I'm French. I live in... + +00:14:33.250 --> 00:14:36.959 +I'm lucky enough to be here at +university, okay, + +00:14:36.959 --> 00:14:40.714 +and I'm fairly aware of the +discrepancies that happen, + +00:14:40.714 --> 00:14:41.600 +even in France, + +00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:42.880 +according to this... + +00:14:42.880 --> 00:14:46.320 +So, yes, I believe my journey + +00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:51.199 +was heavily influenced by this. + +00:14:51.199 --> 00:14:53.547 +If you would like to specify the +question, please do, + +00:14:53.547 --> 00:14:56.560 +but I don't have really all that much to +ask on this. + +00:14:56.560 --> 00:14:59.839 +"What is your advice to start learning + +00:14:59.839 --> 00:15:01.279 +Elisp language? Any particularly good + +00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.421 +resource or any other tips?" + +00:15:03.421 --> 00:15:07.760 +I finished my presentation by telling +you about + +00:15:07.760 --> 00:15:10.937 +the Elisp introduction which is built +into Emacs. + +00:15:10.937 --> 00:15:13.936 +What I might do... I'm going to +share my screen + +00:15:13.936 --> 00:15:17.819 +just to show you how this works. + +00:15:17.819 --> 00:15:22.880 +I will be sharing this window. + +00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:24.234 +I believe it's frozen on my end, + +00:15:24.234 --> 00:15:27.199 +so I can't see anything. + +00:15:27.199 --> 00:15:28.597 +I'm not sure if you can see me + +00:15:28.597 --> 00:15:32.560 +or if my camera is moving. + +00:15:32.560 --> 00:15:34.387 +Okay, so my Firefox is frozen. + +00:15:34.387 --> 00:15:35.361 +So I'll answer the question, + +00:15:35.361 --> 00:15:40.000 +but I won't be able to show you what I +wanted to show you. + +00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.320 +There's a built-in guide inside Emacs to +learn Elisp. + +00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.880 +Maybe the best chance that you have + +00:15:46.880 --> 00:15:49.040 +is just to go open these info pages. + +00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:50.959 +I'm sure someone will be kind enough to + +00:15:50.959 --> 00:15:54.880 +mention this to you in the #emacsconf +channel on IRC + +00:15:54.880 --> 00:15:56.880 +but it's probably the best way + +00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:59.040 +to get started with Elisp. + +00:15:59.040 --> 00:16:00.991 +You know, we tend to get obsessed, + +00:16:00.991 --> 00:16:03.013 +with software and with programming, + +00:16:03.013 --> 00:16:04.880 +about what's the best way to get +started. + +00:16:04.880 --> 00:16:08.399 +You see so many people who are heavily +interested + +00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.409 +in getting started with programming + +00:16:10.409 --> 00:16:12.320 +but they never managed to get started + +00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.320 +because there's so much choice. + +00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.320 +My advice would be to just get started. + +00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.800 +Don't get so worried about the first step. + +00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:22.493 +Well, if I may still recommend +the first step, + +00:16:22.493 --> 00:16:23.920 +even after saying this, + +00:16:23.920 --> 00:16:27.073 +do try to start with the built-in +guides. + +00:16:27.073 --> 00:16:29.600 +I believe they're pretty, pretty good. + +00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.691 +There was another question. + +00:16:31.691 --> 00:16:33.055 +It's the last question that I can read + +00:16:33.055 --> 00:16:34.564 +and after that, you will have to + +00:16:34.564 --> 00:16:37.920 +read the questions for me because +everything is frozen on my end. + +00:16:37.920 --> 00:16:43.935 +I hope I'm not frozen in a very bad +position, + +00:16:43.935 --> 00:16:47.406 +so please excuse me if my mouth is open +or anything. + +00:16:47.406 --> 00:16:51.120 +(Amin: no, we just completely lost the +video feed, so no worries.) + +00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.800 +Oh, splendid, so I won't have to make a +fool out of myself. + +00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:56.800 +So the last question I wanted to answer was + +00:16:56.800 --> 00:16:59.199 +"Have you read Dirk Gently's Holistic +Detective Agency?" + +00:16:59.199 --> 00:17:05.741 +No, I haven't. I hope it's not a jab at +the way I'm dressing for the conference, + +00:17:05.741 --> 00:17:10.559 +but yeah, I haven't read it. Was there +any other question? + +00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:15.919 +(Amin: I see one other question. + +00:17:15.919 --> 00:17:19.679 +"Any recommendation for good packaging +guides or places to start? + +00:17:19.679 --> 00:17:23.199 +I get a bit overwhelmed by some things. + +00:17:23.199 --> 00:17:26.799 +For example, the choice of different test +frameworks.") + +00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.263 +Right. Okay. So that's a very good +question. + +00:17:29.263 --> 00:17:33.840 +I believe alphapapa is in the chat right +now. + +00:17:33.840 --> 00:17:36.314 +As myself a new Lisp developer for +org-roam, + +00:17:36.314 --> 00:17:38.320 +I'd really recommend you to look into + +00:17:38.320 --> 00:17:40.032 +his package developers' guide, + +00:17:40.032 --> 00:17:42.507 +because you have a list of +all the softwares + +00:17:42.507 --> 00:17:44.559 +that are extremely useful to +be using when + +00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:45.760 +you're getting started. + +00:17:45.760 --> 00:17:48.347 +If you're looking into a first step + +00:17:48.347 --> 00:17:50.947 +for how to develop elisp packages, + +00:17:50.947 --> 00:17:52.640 +I'd really advise you to + +00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:53.520 +look into edebug. + +00:17:53.520 --> 00:17:56.559 +It's one word, edebug, + +00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.400 +and you have a section in the +manual for this, + +00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.799 +because for me, it was the key step to + +00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.791 +getting to develop good packages. + +00:18:03.791 --> 00:18:06.160 +It was understanding basically +what the code did + +00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.866 +and having us something like + +00:18:08.866 --> 00:18:09.919 +a REPL (read-evaluate-print-loop) + +00:18:09.919 --> 00:18:11.760 +that allows you to step through the code + +00:18:11.760 --> 00:18:13.210 +and see exactly which states + +00:18:13.210 --> 00:18:15.643 +the variables are at which at this point + +00:18:15.643 --> 00:18:20.080 +in the program. That's really my biggest +advice to you. + +00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:26.160 +Any other question? Thanks. Yeah, I see +one or two more. + +00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:33.120 +So there's one. They ask, "How did the +freedom of Emacs help you on your way?" + +00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:35.507 +So the freedom of Emacs... + +00:18:35.507 --> 00:18:38.080 +I mentioned that Emacs, for me, +was my gateway + +00:18:38.080 --> 00:18:39.216 +into free software + +00:18:39.216 --> 00:18:40.652 +and the freedom of Emacs + +00:18:40.652 --> 00:18:42.551 +was that you could maybe... + +00:18:42.551 --> 00:18:43.840 +First and foremost, + +00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:46.385 +compared to other software, + +00:18:46.385 --> 00:18:49.003 +was that you had behind Emacs, Elisp, + +00:18:49.003 --> 00:18:51.039 +which allows you to read the code, + +00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.039 +read whatever is going on in the +background. + +00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.380 +Surely, if you go deep enough, + +00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:58.172 +you'll end up in C functions that you +might not be able to read + +00:18:58.172 --> 00:18:59.679 +if you do not have the experience. + +00:18:59.679 --> 00:19:03.520 +But for Org Mode, which was my gateway +into Emacs, + +00:19:03.520 --> 00:19:05.883 +most of it is written in Elisp, + +00:19:05.883 --> 00:19:08.546 +and all the commands have a +very verbose name, + +00:19:08.546 --> 00:19:10.080 +like something simple as + +00:19:10.080 --> 00:19:13.440 +org go to next subtree or + +00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.880 +org go to a parent subtree. You know, +things like this. + +00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.240 +It's so elegant. It's verbose. + +00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.799 +That's a sense of freedom + +00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.491 +insofar as you can go into +the code and see, + +00:19:24.491 --> 00:19:26.160 +oh, okay, that's how it's implemented. + +00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.640 +I believe in a way that's the freedom + +00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.264 +and the liberty that is given to you + +00:19:30.264 --> 00:19:31.600 +to look into the code + +00:19:31.600 --> 00:19:32.670 +is something that invites you + +00:19:32.670 --> 00:19:34.460 +to do the same with your life. + +00:19:34.460 --> 00:19:36.776 +As someone who does a little bit of +philosophy on the side, + +00:19:36.776 --> 00:19:38.799 +I believe it's a very healthy message + +00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.320 +to be gathering from a piece of software. + +00:19:42.320 --> 00:19:45.440 +(Amin: Awesome, thank you. + +00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:50.960 +Let's see... So we have... + +00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:57.200 +I think I saw another question pop up.) + +00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:58.559 +I'm not sure how we're doing as far + +00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.760 +as time is concerned... I believe we + +00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:02.080 +have like one or two minutes more. + +00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:04.240 +(Amin: Yeah, actually, we're quite a bit + +00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:05.679 +ahead of the schedule, so if we take a + +00:20:05.679 --> 00:20:07.840 +little bit longer, we're fine. + +00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:10.225 +If you do have more questions, please +do.) + +00:20:10.225 --> 00:20:12.880 +I'm just sorry that my video is not +working anymore. + +00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.120 +(Amin: No problem. Someone was actually +saying... + +00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:24.159 +What's the most recent... Actually, yeah +well before that. + +00:20:24.159 --> 00:20:27.440 +"Please show off your three-piece suit +before you end your talk, + +00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.080 +which requires fixing your frozen camera. + +00:20:30.080 --> 00:20:31.306 +If this is not possible, + +00:20:31.306 --> 00:20:36.240 +please post suit selfies in an easily +accessible location." + +00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.143 +Okay, I'll make sure to do this. + +00:20:38.143 --> 00:20:41.200 +But yes, I wanted to hype things up for +the conference, + +00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.039 +so yes, I did get the three-piece suit out. + +00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:44.563 +I'm very glad you like it. + +00:20:44.563 --> 00:20:45.919 +By the way, when you get + +00:20:45.919 --> 00:20:47.760 +a chance to see me live again, + +00:20:47.760 --> 00:20:50.080 +do appreciate that my tie has both the + +00:20:50.080 --> 00:20:51.280 +colors of Emacs purple + +00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:53.679 +and also Org Mode green. + +00:20:53.679 --> 00:20:55.556 +It took me a while to find this one, + +00:20:55.556 --> 00:21:00.840 +so I hope you will appreciate this. + +00:21:00.840 --> 00:21:03.094 +(Amin: Awesome. Let's see. + +00:21:03.094 --> 00:21:06.880 +We have one other question. "What's the + +00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.960 +most recent Emacs package or tool that + +00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:14.480 +you've discovered that you've added to +your repertoire?") + +00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.600 +Very interesting question. + +00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:22.614 +The thing is, when you've spent as long +as I have on Emacs-- + +00:21:22.614 --> 00:21:23.919 +and I know that I've only spent + +00:21:23.919 --> 00:21:25.120 +eight years and some of you + +00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:27.901 +might have spent maybe 10, 20, + +00:21:27.901 --> 00:21:30.000 +maybe even more years on Emacs-- + +00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.926 +but for me, I believe the coolest neat +trick that I found in Emacs + +00:21:34.926 --> 00:21:40.080 +was a mode which is called beacon-mode. + +00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:43.679 +It's something that allows you to show + +00:21:43.679 --> 00:21:45.006 +when you're jumping between buffers + +00:21:45.006 --> 00:21:46.960 +or when you're dropping between windows, + +00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.681 +it shows exactly where your point is in +that buffer + +00:21:50.681 --> 00:21:55.440 +by making a slight ray of light which +looks like a beacon, hence the name. + +00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.760 +It really helps you navigate buffers + +00:21:57.760 --> 00:21:58.986 +because it always shows + +00:21:58.986 --> 00:22:01.760 +in a very visual way +where your point is. + +00:22:01.760 --> 00:22:04.640 +I'll get a chance to show this to you +later today + +00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:10.159 +when I'll be presenting my other talks. + +00:22:10.159 --> 00:22:20.880 +(Amin: Awesome. We have one question +from Jonas, the maintainer of Magit. + +00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:25.128 +He asks, "When you touched your webcam, + +00:22:25.128 --> 00:22:26.880 +that blew a fuse at my place. + +00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.760 +How did you do that?") + +00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:31.242 +Well, I'm very sorry, Jonas, + +00:22:31.242 --> 00:22:36.960 +that it happened to you, but I'll make +sure not to touch my webcam again. + +00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:41.600 +(Amin: Do we have any other questions?) + +00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:43.919 +I have to trust you on this one. + +00:22:43.919 --> 00:22:46.960 +I'm really sorry. Everything is frozen +on my end. + +00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.940 +(Amin: No problem.) Yeah I'm more +talking to the audience, I guess. + +00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:56.018 +I hope my lack of slides didn't bother +you. + +00:22:56.018 --> 00:23:00.481 +I really wanted to have this verbose +time with people, + +00:23:00.481 --> 00:23:01.600 +to be able to... + +00:23:01.600 --> 00:23:04.880 +It's a message that I've been trying + +00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:08.640 +to share with as many people as possible. + +00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.760 +In France, we do have an Emacs workshop + +00:23:11.760 --> 00:23:14.159 +that we have on a monthly basis. + +00:23:14.159 --> 00:23:16.000 +I've been learning a lot + +00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.960 +with those people and I felt like + +00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.400 +doing the same with Emacs conference + +00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.713 +would be good. That's why I'm +really happy, + +00:23:22.713 --> 00:23:24.000 +and I'm really lucky to have had + +00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.418 +the chance to do this today. + +00:23:26.418 --> 00:23:29.200 +I hope some of you, I've convinced you + +00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.472 +of climbing up a step on a ladder + +00:23:31.472 --> 00:23:34.480 +or making a step in a journey. + +00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.080 +(Amin: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Leo. + +00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:41.279 +I happen to completely agree + +00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.600 +with your not necessarily using a slide + +00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:45.600 +when it's not really needed + +00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:49.200 +and to help give some face-to-face time + +00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.685 +with the audience. + +00:23:50.685 --> 00:23:52.923 +Unfortunately, your webcam cut out, + +00:23:52.923 --> 00:23:55.200 +but I mean before that.) + +00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.914 +Yes, I'll make sure to fix +the problems later on, + +00:23:57.914 --> 00:23:59.679 +so don't worry about it. + +00:23:59.679 --> 00:24:02.240 +(Amin: Awesome. Alrighty. I guess we're + +00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:08.000 +wrapping up for your talk and getting +ready for the next talk.) + +00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:09.538 +Sure. Well, thank you so much. + +00:24:09.538 --> 00:24:11.760 +I'll see you all later, I suppose! + +00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:16.799 +(Amin: Sounds good. Thank you again, Leo. Bye-bye) |