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+So the first question,
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+have you tried ivy-bibtex or bibtex-completion earlier
+
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+and how it compares to eBib?
+
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+Well, I would say that I use both.
+
+00:00:09.942 --> 00:00:14.901
+I don't think there is very much a comparison
+
+00:00:14.902 --> 00:00:18.661
+because for me, they're achieving different goals.
+
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+When I want to just very quickly find the paper
+
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+in the entirety of the literature,
+
+00:00:28.622 --> 00:00:34.701
+I can just go here and open ivy-bibtex and see it.
+
+00:00:34.702 --> 00:00:36.661
+Bibtex now needs to parse my bib files,
+
+00:00:36.662 --> 00:00:38.781
+so it may take a second.
+
+00:00:38.782 --> 00:00:41.581
+Yeah, so if I want to just search, I'll do this.
+
+00:00:41.582 --> 00:00:46.461
+If I want a bigger view, then I can open eBib,
+
+00:00:46.462 --> 00:00:49.661
+but I don't use eBib so much as a tool
+
+00:00:49.662 --> 00:00:54.381
+to find just one literature. I use it for other purposes.
+
+00:00:54.382 --> 00:00:58.501
+So I think they're not really mutually exclusive,
+
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+like you can use both.
+
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+And they don't think that the features that one provides
+
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+are something that the other also provides.
+
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+They're different kind of goals for me.
+
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+Also, for the answers, is it OK
+
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+if I don't write anything down and I can just write them
+
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+After, when I have time, and I'll just talk.
+
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+Yeah, that's OK. We'll transcribe all the answers later.
+
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+So you can just go ahead and talk.
+
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+And do you find showing abstract
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+on your navigation panel helpful?
+
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+I always delete the abstract info,
+
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+and my bib files make things more concise.
+
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+So for me, I think it is helpful to see the abstract.
+
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+I think that if you're in a regular screen,
+
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+you have the space to have that.
+
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+And yeah, for example, if I go again here,
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+it's kind of indeed a bit more,
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+a bit longer than it can be.
+
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+And also you find a bigger abstract somewhere.
+
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+It may be more space,
+
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+but like, for example, this, yeah, this is a big abstract.
+
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+And for example, yeah, this takes a bit more space,
+
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+but I find it easy because the only case
+
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+where I'm actually looking at this panel
+
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+and trying to see things is when I'm going to be either,
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+is when I'm going to be trying to find something
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+that I don't remember the title to search immediately.
+
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+And if you don't remember the title
+
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+and you're trying to search,
+
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+the abstract will be a way
+
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+that helps you search better maybe.
+
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+and also the other thing they use
+
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+is also the small little descriptions
+
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+I add in the note entries to help me
+
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+but I think that the abstract is nice to be there
+
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+in case you don't remember
+
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+to find something from the title
+
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+or from your notes
+
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+and just need something more general.
+
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+So yes it can be large and not always convenient,
+
+00:03:16.622 --> 00:03:20.181
+but I generally like it being there
+
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+in case I need it for anything. Then the next question.
+
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+Also, if any question is not fully answered by what I'm saying,
+
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+feel free to add more to your question
+
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+and we can discuss more. I don't have a problem.
+
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+So for the next one, yeah, I copied this from IRC
+
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+because I prefer to answer it orally
+
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+because it's a bit longer than the others answering in IRC.
+
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+So it seems that there's a meta problem here.
+
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+There's too much information.
+
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+And does this tool reduce the cognitive load?
+
+00:04:02.222 --> 00:04:09.061
+Well, for me, it does reduce the cognitive load because
+
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+Indeed, there's a lot of information,
+
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+but that's how managing literature works, essentially.
+
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+It necessarily has to have a lot of cognitive load,
+
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+because you are trying to
+
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+process more information
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+than your brain can process to begin with.
+
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+So you really need a tool
+
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+to help you not keep everything in your mind,
+
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+process the information externally.
+
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+They do think that the way I do this, for me at least,
+
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+it does help with reducing cognitive load.
+
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+Because I'm here, for example,
+
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+if I'm looking for something, I do not remember,
+
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+I've read most of these papers not too many months ago,
+
+00:05:01.502 --> 00:05:02.701
+so a lot of them are recent.
+
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+If I don't look at what I have written for it,
+
+00:05:06.182 --> 00:05:08.821
+I do not remember anything.
+
+00:05:08.822 --> 00:05:11.941
+So indeed, you have this kind of cognitive load
+
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+that I cannot remember everything.
+
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+But on the other hand, I think the tool helps
+
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+because my notes are what keeps, what I want to remember.
+
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+So it doesn't stay in my mind, it stays in the text.
+
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+And regarding things like the reading list,
+
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+I think also for me reduces the cognitive load
+
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+because I will mostly remember
+
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+what the papers I have in that list are,
+
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+but just sorting them by priority helps me
+
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+Okay, this was the thing I wanted to do next.
+
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+Oh, sorry. This is the thing I wanted to do next.
+
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+And I didn't have to remember
+
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+that this is what I want to do next.
+
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+I just had it, I saw it there.
+
+00:06:06.822 --> 00:06:11.261
+So for me, it reduces cognitive load,
+
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+but the problem of too much information is 100% there
+
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+because there's objectively
+
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+too much information
+
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+when you're working with literature
+
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+that's by nature and yeah essentially that
+
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+that's for me the thing
+
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+that i'm i'm just putting this information elsewhere
+
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+so i don't have to keep it in my mind
+
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+Okay, so when you download a new article,
+
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+how do you integrate the file to the database?
+
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+So, for example, do you remove
+
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+and rename the file manually?
+
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+So, for me, I also briefly showed that in the talk,
+
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+but I did that very quickly,
+
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+so it's understandable that it wasn't there.
+
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+Essentially, And when I download the article,
+
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+then I will open Ivy Bib Tech and find the article.
+
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+For example, this one is the first.
+
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+You can open the menu in Ivy Bib Tech.
+
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+It's with an alt O, and then it will give you this menu.
+
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+And from here, it will say, add PDF to library.
+
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+And then it will ask from where do you want to add it?
+
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+I don't recommend the URL
+
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+because it doesn't download it properly sometimes.
+
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+As I also mentioned that with Zotra,
+
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+the URLs downloading things,
+
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+especially with academic papers
+
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+that are sometimes paywalled, it doesn't want to work well.
+
+00:08:05.342 --> 00:08:07.781
+So I will download the paper
+
+00:08:07.782 --> 00:08:10.981
+and then you can just press the F here for file.
+
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+And then you find the file.
+
+00:08:13.422 --> 00:08:20.861
+and for example for me all my PDFs are in this folder
+
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+it's still named Zotero PDFs
+
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+from when it was Zotero saving them now
+
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+Zotero no longer saves them
+
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+but I'm too bored to change the name
+
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+and then you just find the paper you want
+
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+so you can see there is an endless list of papers here
+
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+and it then will automatically rename it
+
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+to have the title of the author, a small title and a date.
+
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+I believe the naming is also configurable,
+
+00:09:01.822 --> 00:09:08.941
+but I have this notation in my config for many years now
+
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+because that's how everything
+
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+expects to find it, essentially. I do not then move it.
+
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+It's stored in that folder.
+
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+I store all my PDFs in that specific folder.
+
+00:09:22.502 --> 00:09:27.541
+And then Emacs knows that all PDFs
+
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+should be found in that folder.
+
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+And it then just looks for the name
+
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+that it expects to find.
+
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+And ivy-bibtex has renamed it automatically to that.
+
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+Okay, I'll wait a bit to continue with that
+
+00:09:54.382 --> 00:09:59.801
+for moving to the next question.
+
+00:09:59.802 --> 00:10:02.301
+Yeah, ivy-bibtex has that functionality.
+
+00:10:02.302 --> 00:10:08.061
+And then annotations with e-readers.
+
+00:10:08.062 --> 00:10:12.781
+Viewing and taking an Emacs or Reader touchscreen,
+
+00:10:12.782 --> 00:10:16.501
+highlighting notes, noter, think would be an alternative,
+
+00:10:16.502 --> 00:10:18.301
+e-book annotation alternative.
+
+00:10:18.302 --> 00:10:25.981
+So, I do not use an e-reader, personally.
+
+00:10:25.982 --> 00:10:29.781
+The only thing that I have is my tablet,
+
+00:10:29.782 --> 00:10:34.981
+I can actually show you. It's this little thing here.
+
+00:10:34.982 --> 00:10:39.661
+It's a Chromebook.
+
+00:10:39.662 --> 00:10:42.381
+And the reason it's a Chromebook is that
+
+00:10:42.382 --> 00:10:44.621
+when I bought it a few years ago,
+
+00:10:44.622 --> 00:10:48.541
+it was the most viable alternative I could find
+
+00:10:48.542 --> 00:10:52.301
+that can run Linux as a tablet with good touchscreen.
+
+00:10:52.302 --> 00:10:55.021
+That was also a bit budget
+
+00:10:55.022 --> 00:10:57.821
+because there are some Linux tablets,
+
+00:10:57.822 --> 00:11:00.301
+but they were a bit too high cost
+
+00:11:00.302 --> 00:11:02.181
+for what I was looking back then.
+
+00:11:02.182 --> 00:11:07.501
+And this thing runs Linux essentially
+
+00:11:07.502 --> 00:11:10.421
+natively from the Chromebook.
+
+00:11:10.422 --> 00:11:14.581
+And I've installed Emacs there. It has all my config.
+
+00:11:14.582 --> 00:11:21.741
+And so if I want to take touchscreen notes, I do it there.
+
+00:11:21.742 --> 00:11:27.181
+But again, that is in Emacs. And it's mostly with PDFs.
+
+00:11:27.182 --> 00:11:31.181
+I'm not sure if it answers exactly the question.
+
+00:11:31.182 --> 00:11:35.221
+So if it's an e-reader, if it's, for example, a book,
+
+00:11:35.222 --> 00:11:39.661
+I know that if you have an EPUB,
+
+00:11:39.662 --> 00:11:42.221
+I think it's called the format for books,
+
+00:11:42.222 --> 00:11:44.701
+and Org-noter can also read that.
+
+00:11:44.702 --> 00:11:49.741
+So you could also open that file inside Emacs
+
+00:11:49.742 --> 00:11:51.541
+using Org-noter and take notes.
+
+00:11:51.542 --> 00:12:02.941
+But otherwise, If you're not
+
+00:12:02.942 --> 00:12:06.901
+reading everything in Emacs,
+
+00:12:06.902 --> 00:12:09.021
+then it's hard to pass annotations
+
+00:12:09.022 --> 00:12:11.581
+from outside Emacs to inside it,
+
+00:12:11.582 --> 00:12:15.461
+because of course you have less interoperability in that case.
+
+00:12:15.462 --> 00:12:22.621
+but I think Emacs is featureful enough
+
+00:12:22.622 --> 00:12:25.621
+to where you can do all your reading inside it.
+
+00:12:25.622 --> 00:12:30.141
+And Org-noter has a surprising amount of different formats
+
+00:12:30.142 --> 00:12:31.621
+where you can read things actually.
+
+00:12:31.622 --> 00:12:40.141
+I hope it was clear if you want more on that
+
+00:12:40.142 --> 00:12:45.901
+because I know it's a bit more a complex question, I guess,
+
+00:12:45.902 --> 00:12:47.701
+also with e-readers.
+
+00:12:47.702 --> 00:12:52.061
+And if it is in Emacs or not, feel free to add more.
+
+00:12:52.062 --> 00:12:56.901
+And how old do you feel
+
+00:12:56.902 --> 00:13:00.461
+about making notes on websites, PDF, videos?
+
+00:13:00.462 --> 00:13:05.741
+So I will agree with the other question
+
+00:13:05.742 --> 00:13:07.621
+that I answered here.
+
+00:13:07.622 --> 00:13:11.301
+If you can convert something to PDF,
+
+00:13:11.302 --> 00:13:13.621
+I prefer it because then
+
+00:13:13.622 --> 00:13:16.741
+you need to only worry about PDFs
+
+00:13:16.742 --> 00:13:19.941
+and it works better that way
+
+00:13:19.942 --> 00:13:21.981
+than having to annotate websites.
+
+00:13:21.982 --> 00:13:26.181
+There is, I believe, I should have it
+
+00:13:26.182 --> 00:13:27.661
+in my bookmarks somewhere.
+
+00:13:27.662 --> 00:13:32.381
+There is a, the org-roam protocol
+
+00:13:32.382 --> 00:13:36.621
+that allows you to take notes directly out of a website
+
+00:13:36.622 --> 00:13:39.421
+and it saves all the metadata of the website.
+
+00:13:39.422 --> 00:13:42.941
+I did look at it at some point,
+
+00:13:42.942 --> 00:13:47.781
+but I haven't really continued using it too much
+
+00:13:47.782 --> 00:13:53.541
+because I find that I don't often take notes
+
+00:13:53.542 --> 00:14:00.221
+from a website where I want the and more information
+
+00:14:00.222 --> 00:14:02.421
+than just either the link of the website
+
+00:14:02.422 --> 00:14:05.741
+or if I want the full text converting into a PDF.
+
+00:14:05.742 --> 00:14:07.261
+So I haven't really found
+
+00:14:07.262 --> 00:14:08.541
+a very big use case for it,
+
+00:14:08.542 --> 00:14:11.301
+but I know that Org-Roam protocol is a thing.
+
+00:14:11.302 --> 00:14:16.701
+And then for videos is a bit of a longer story
+
+00:14:16.702 --> 00:14:19.901
+because if you want to take notes on videos,
+
+00:14:19.902 --> 00:14:21.541
+that's a bit more complex.
+
+00:14:21.542 --> 00:14:28.181
+And I don't know of a way to do it in Emacs,
+
+00:14:28.182 --> 00:14:30.941
+but I also don't know of an effective way
+
+00:14:30.942 --> 00:14:34.421
+to take notes on videos using other tools.
+
+00:14:34.422 --> 00:14:39.901
+What I typically do if I'm following the video or something
+
+00:14:39.902 --> 00:14:44.461
+is that I will take notes of the more important things.
+
+00:14:44.462 --> 00:14:50.581
+I'll take notes of the more important things
+
+00:14:50.582 --> 00:14:52.381
+that I was listening in the video.
+
+00:14:52.382 --> 00:14:55.101
+And while I'm listening, I will take
+
+00:14:55.102 --> 00:14:57.581
+some ideal crude notes,
+
+00:14:57.582 --> 00:15:00.901
+not because I don't want to lose
+
+00:15:00.902 --> 00:15:03.981
+a lot of my attention during the,
+
+00:15:03.982 --> 00:15:09.781
+what I'm trying to learn by taking very good notes.
+
+00:15:09.782 --> 00:15:11.141
+So most of the time,
+
+00:15:11.142 --> 00:15:13.741
+those kinds of notes will be in paper,
+
+00:15:13.742 --> 00:15:16.181
+even just very simple, crude notes.
+
+00:15:16.182 --> 00:15:20.381
+And then without any timestamps or anything,
+
+00:15:20.382 --> 00:15:23.941
+because that's too complex for what I've done.
+
+00:15:23.942 --> 00:15:28.501
+And after watching, I will try to
+
+00:15:28.502 --> 00:15:31.421
+consolidate all my thoughts that I wrote down
+
+00:15:31.422 --> 00:15:36.061
+into some more permanent notes using Org Roam.
+
+00:15:36.062 --> 00:15:46.181
+And then like move on with that also look online
+
+00:15:46.182 --> 00:15:50.421
+if I noted that I want to look more on on this subject
+
+00:15:50.422 --> 00:15:52.821
+that was mentioned the video
+
+00:15:52.822 --> 00:15:53.821
+and I didn't fully understand it
+
+00:15:53.822 --> 00:15:57.381
+then I will try and look more and things like that
+
+00:15:57.382 --> 00:16:02.981
+so for me that's how I do it because I think that
+
+00:16:02.982 --> 00:16:05.661
+Annotating a video directly with timestamps
+
+00:16:05.662 --> 00:16:07.821
+and everything is a bit too complex.
+
+00:16:07.822 --> 00:16:09.501
+I don't know if you have
+
+00:16:09.502 --> 00:16:12.061
+any suggestions for working with that,
+
+00:16:12.062 --> 00:16:19.381
+but for me, it has been very troublesome.
+
+00:16:19.382 --> 00:16:22.341
+And then how do you add a new article from scratch,
+
+00:16:22.342 --> 00:16:25.301
+a PDF that you did not have in your bib file?
+
+00:16:25.302 --> 00:16:29.661
+How do you generate the bib entry metadata and abstract?
+
+00:16:29.662 --> 00:16:36.941
+So yeah, the package is called Zotra.
+
+00:16:36.942 --> 00:16:44.061
+I can also show it again. Let's find something.
+
+00:16:44.062 --> 00:16:49.861
+and can open up. Let's not do that.
+
+00:16:49.862 --> 00:16:53.981
+If I open it, I need to access it through my institution.
+
+00:16:53.982 --> 00:16:57.621
+So I will not open the link, but I can show you essentially
+
+00:16:57.622 --> 00:17:02.101
+you run Zotra add entry, this function,
+
+00:17:02.102 --> 00:17:10.421
+and it copies what you have currently in your, in your,
+
+00:17:10.422 --> 00:17:12.461
+what you have already copied right now
+
+00:17:12.462 --> 00:17:15.861
+it's the message I copied before for the Q&A
+
+00:17:15.862 --> 00:17:21.861
+but if you open a paper and have the URL copied
+
+00:17:21.862 --> 00:17:26.341
+it will immediately come here and will save everything
+
+00:17:26.342 --> 00:17:28.621
+and also as I mentioned there's the
+
+00:17:28.622 --> 00:17:31.301
+you can also download the patches from there
+
+00:17:31.302 --> 00:17:34.381
+but with paywalled articles doesn't always work well
+
+00:17:34.382 --> 00:17:40.261
+so I just do it manually
+
+00:17:40.262 --> 00:17:45.821
+Oh, system is running low on power. Give me just a second.
+
+00:17:45.822 --> 00:17:59.021
+So the computer doesn't turn off as we're speaking. Yes.
+
+00:17:59.022 --> 00:18:03.541
+So yeah, the, everything is added from scratch.
+
+00:18:03.542 --> 00:18:14.541
+Essentially you copy the URL and give it to Soletrend.
+
+00:18:14.542 --> 00:18:17.381
+It does everything. uh when you fact check every details
+
+00:18:17.382 --> 00:18:26.261
+for a bib entry your open names published journal
+
+00:18:26.262 --> 00:18:29.461
+doi stuff uh so i i generally don't do that
+
+00:18:29.462 --> 00:18:30.861
+oh yeah thanks for the person
+
+00:18:30.862 --> 00:18:35.101
+that added the link to the zocha
+
+00:18:35.102 --> 00:18:38.381
+i i wouldn't say that i fact check the details
+
+00:18:38.382 --> 00:18:40.901
+i assume that When they're added,
+
+00:18:40.902 --> 00:18:44.541
+they're actually correct.
+
+00:18:44.542 --> 00:18:49.741
+Have you actually had trouble with a tool
+
+00:18:49.742 --> 00:18:52.021
+that automatically adds them to add them wrong?
+
+00:18:52.022 --> 00:18:54.861
+I'm curious. I haven't really heard
+
+00:18:54.862 --> 00:18:59.421
+that happening too much.
+
+00:18:59.422 --> 00:19:01.861
+I've always thought that, yeah, if you do it manually,
+
+00:19:01.862 --> 00:19:04.621
+you need to fact check that you did it correctly.
+
+00:19:04.622 --> 00:19:06.461
+But I always assume that if you do it
+
+00:19:06.462 --> 00:19:09.301
+automatically through a tool,
+
+00:19:09.302 --> 00:19:11.661
+It should already be correct.
+
+00:19:11.662 --> 00:19:15.101
+And I don't remember ever having any trouble either
+
+00:19:15.102 --> 00:19:20.221
+when I was using Zotero before or now
+
+00:19:20.222 --> 00:19:24.101
+with the more Emacs based tools.
+
+00:19:24.102 --> 00:19:29.781
+I feel like the big entries are copied correctly.
+
+00:19:29.782 --> 00:19:35.101
+I haven't noticed this being incorrect.
+
+00:19:35.102 --> 00:19:40.181
+But I'm curious, do you have any point
+
+00:19:40.182 --> 00:19:44.661
+On that, I will keep in mind.
+
+00:19:44.662 --> 00:19:48.541
+Sometimes, DOI records are not exactly correct.
+
+00:19:48.542 --> 00:19:52.861
+For example, they can contain some very strange symbols.
+
+00:19:52.862 --> 00:20:01.901
+So that can happen sometimes. OK. Yeah. I don't know.
+
+00:20:01.902 --> 00:20:05.741
+I guess then if you want to fact check,
+
+00:20:05.742 --> 00:20:12.141
+it's probably the best to do it directly as it is added,
+
+00:20:12.142 --> 00:20:14.901
+like it's added, for example, here,
+
+00:20:14.902 --> 00:20:17.941
+and you can just directly, when you add it,
+
+00:20:17.942 --> 00:20:23.501
+find it and say, is everything correct here?
+
+00:20:23.502 --> 00:20:27.661
+Because I think that if you leave it for later,
+
+00:20:27.662 --> 00:20:31.381
+it will be much more of a mess.
+
+00:20:31.382 --> 00:20:33.181
+So for checking, I would just do it directly
+
+00:20:33.182 --> 00:20:47.261
+after I add it to the bit file.
+
+00:20:47.262 --> 00:20:50.621
+And let me see, is there anything else?
+
+00:20:50.622 --> 00:20:53.501
+I think one common way it can fail
+
+00:20:53.502 --> 00:20:56.381
+is when the metadata includes
+
+00:20:56.382 --> 00:20:59.581
+HTML tags for math, for example.
+
+00:20:59.582 --> 00:21:03.501
+And in some papers, for some journals, it can happen.
+
+00:21:03.502 --> 00:21:05.061
+So then you can imagine what happens
+
+00:21:05.062 --> 00:21:06.981
+when you try to put that citation
+
+00:21:06.982 --> 00:21:08.741
+into your references.
+
+00:21:08.742 --> 00:21:12.421
+That's going to be a mess.
+
+00:21:12.422 --> 00:21:17.501
+Yeah, okay. I didn't know, to be honest, so yeah.
+
+00:21:17.502 --> 00:21:27.101
+Thanks for the information.
+
+00:21:27.102 --> 00:21:29.501
+I think our graph has automatic cleaning
+
+00:21:29.502 --> 00:21:30.421
+of certain things
+
+00:21:30.422 --> 00:21:34.741
+for common errors in the metadata.
+
+00:21:34.742 --> 00:21:37.221
+How did you call that?
+
+00:21:37.222 --> 00:21:38.381
+I can note it down also here for the discussion.
+
+00:21:38.382 --> 00:21:45.861
+Oh, our graph. Or graph. Or graph. Yeah.
+
+00:21:45.862 --> 00:22:12.261
+Okay. Okay. I will put it down the pad.
+
+00:22:12.262 --> 00:22:14.141
+And I think the next talk,
+
+00:22:14.142 --> 00:22:18.461
+the live will move in the next minute anyways.
+
+00:22:18.462 --> 00:22:22.141
+And I see we're done with all the questions.
+
+00:22:22.142 --> 00:22:26.141
+So thank you everyone. I hope this was interesting.
+
+00:22:26.142 --> 00:22:28.501
+Thank you for giving me a lot of questions
+
+00:22:28.502 --> 00:22:31.461
+so we had to discuss for the whole time
+
+00:22:31.462 --> 00:22:34.541
+and we weren't just here sitting.
+
+00:22:34.542 --> 00:22:36.182
+And enjoy the rest of EmacsConf.