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+Greetings. Salaam again. I'm delighted to be here
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+and happy to answer your questions.
+
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+I'm not seeing anything yet,
+
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+but let me take advantage of this time
+
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+to speak about one question
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+If you can bring up the pad so that you can look at it.
+
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+that I saw coming in earlier on the pad,
+
+00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:25.039
+which was all the outputs
+
+00:00:25.040 --> 00:00:29.399
+and the inputs that you mentioned, where are they?
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+00:00:29.400 --> 00:00:35.439
+So they are on GitHub, and this is in one of my slides.
+
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+I mentioned the URL for it. I'll show you that as well.
+
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+So the URL for it is github.com bxplpc18068,
+
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+Okay. Hang on a second. I will.
+
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+which is the handle for this talk.
+
+00:00:58.680 --> 00:01:06.039
+In there, you have all the PDFs and the HTMLs,
+
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+And then people can join here as well.
+
+00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:12.119
+a citation, a bib input, and also the sources.
+
+00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:19.439
+So if you were to go to the PDF, you will see
+
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+Um, both the article presentation and the,
+
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+let's take a quick look at the.
+
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+Which is what you have seen. So.
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+And as far as the sources are, there are two primary files.
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+I think we're now in a live Q&A session for Blee-LCNT,
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+This presentation, left to right,
+
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+and people can join us here in the Big Blue Button room,
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+is the one that includes all the LaTeX packages.
+
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+We might as well take a quick look.
+
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+So what's in there is primarily the use packages.
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+And then it dispatches to body press art.
+
+00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.519
+And this is where the code is.
+
+00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.559
+And I walked through this briefly.
+
+00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:26.839
+So, notice here again that this is a mixture of LaTeX and Org.
+
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+Each of the presentation slides are here.
+
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+For example, my introduction
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+is just a video that gets included.
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+And then the notes that I use, the voiceover,
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+is also included in the LaTeX file.
+
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+Let me... It'll probably be easy
+
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+to take those voiceover notes
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+and then align them with a tool like NES.
+
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+to make subtitles for your videos.
+
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+Exactly, and that is what I do.
+
+00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:08.519
+So there is a way to gather them all as P-notes.
+
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+And so all the P-notes get together in a single file,
+
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+and then you feed that to Aeneas, and it will align them.
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+And then there is the work of using your subed
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+to just get the right sort of line length on them.
+
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+But you did all of that for me this year, Sacha.
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+Thank you very much.
+
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+It was just a matter of not having time.
+
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+Otherwise, I plan to do it myself. It's all right.
+
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+It was very easy since he provided the full narration.
+
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+I still need to tweak it sometimes,
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+so I often use the waveforms in subed
+
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+to find the right starting time and ending time for things.
+
+00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.519
+But it is so nice to have a presentation
+
+00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.879
+where you can experience it in different forms,
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+00:04:03.880 --> 00:04:10.159
+as an article, as a video, as a post with links and everything.
+
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+Very handy.
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+Right, and in case a teacher uses this for class lectures,
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+then the student profits from all sorts.
+
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+The article presentation format is very useful
+
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+for a student to add their own notes to it and the rest.
+
+00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:37.519
+Exactly as you said, having multiple forms is great.
+
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+Video has its place, reveal has its place,
+
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+PDF has its place, article has its place.
+
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+All of them work together.
+
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+I've been having a hard time figuring out
+
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+how to make the reveal.js version of a presentation
+
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+more easily distributable, though.
+
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+This is something we've had a hard time
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+with in the past, too.
+
+00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:02.759
+You have these lovely EmacsConf presentations
+
+00:05:02.760 --> 00:05:04.839
+that could be reveal presentations,
+
+00:05:04.840 --> 00:05:07.759
+but hosting them doesn't quite fit
+
+00:05:07.760 --> 00:05:13.639
+in the usual assumptions people have. Exactly, exactly.
+
+00:05:13.640 --> 00:05:16.559
+So if we were to have a reveal server,
+
+00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.479
+then we could upload our reveal inputs to it.
+
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+But you're right, we should look
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+for some sort of a packaging
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+that is more plug and distribute. Yeah, so I'd be all game
+
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+if we wanted to do it for next year,
+
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+I'd be happy to provide all the reveal outputs.
+
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+In fact, they are here, let me touch on that quickly.
+
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+Good point you brought up. So, this is the. Reveal output.
+
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+So all of these, you see the images and the audio
+
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+in my own environment are SIM links to where I keep them.
+
+00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.239
+So those need to come in,
+
+00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.599
+but the reveal output really comes right here.
+
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+And this is how it looks.
+
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+If that's a link you can add to the pad,
+
+00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.799
+then I can add you to the top page afterwards.
+
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+I think as a, as a speaker,
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+I tend to just self host the thing.
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+And that way also, if I find a bug, which often happens,
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+I can go and quietly update it.
+
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+Exactly. Exactly. Sure. Sure. Yeah.
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+This right now, what we are looking at is from GitHub.
+
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+And the audio and the images, of course, are large,
+
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+and I did not upload them. But I can send them, sure.
+
+00:06:55.760 --> 00:07:01.999
+So, a few other things maybe I can elaborate on.
+
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+This is the kombut strapping page for BISOS, also on there.
+
+00:07:08.640 --> 00:07:11.079
+And if somebody wanted to actually
+
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+dig deeper and go through this,
+
+00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:18.959
+a good starting point would be my GitHub page.
+
+00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:24.639
+But my GitHub page is not done and organized the usual way.
+
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+So I only have three repositories
+
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+and the repositories basically say,
+
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+here is where you need to go.
+
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+So all of my work is organized as organizations.
+
+00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:48.039
+So, for example, for Emacs, if you were to go to BXBli,
+
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+you will see all the relevant repos for that purpose.
+
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+So, for example, if you wanted to
+
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+come and take a look at mail template,
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+templating, distribution, and tracking,
+
+00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:16.239
+you would get a Emacs package ready to go over here.
+
+00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:23.479
+But again, all of this is through the use of GitHub organizations.
+
+00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.399
+So my repos are by subject
+
+00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:33.239
+and the by source itself has 69 repositories
+
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+where different sections of it are packaged as PIP packages.
+
+00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.359
+So, for example, for LCNT, we can go there.
+
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+So, these are the packages that let you,
+
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+let me go there, that let you dissect.
+
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+Sorry, you have your slides shared at the moment,
+
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+so I don't know if you're in a different tab.
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+Oh, am I in a different tab?
+
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+I thought that that would follow me.
+
+00:09:06.400 --> 00:09:16.119
+Yes, I am in a different tab. Let me see.
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+This is the one that you are seeing,
+
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+so let me go over here. Perfect. Now you're seeing it.
+
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+So literally on the same page. Awesome. Right.
+
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+So you were not actually seeing what I was saying.
+
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+So, so what I was saying that is that
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+if you go to my primary website, GitHub page,
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+you will see that there are only three repos there.
+
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+And those repos just give information
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+about where the real repos are.
+
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+And the real repos are organized in various organizations.
+
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+So, for example, for Emacs packages, I use the bxblee
+
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+And in there, there are 40 repositories.
+
+00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.399
+And as an example, you can choose, for example,
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+AI plus is just a few additional libraries for menus, for AIDERMAX.
+
+00:10:26.520 --> 00:10:31.719
+And the rest of BLEE is done that way as well.
+
+00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:36.919
+So if you were to let me also show
+
+00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:43.759
+more relevant stuff to the content generation.
+
+00:10:43.760 --> 00:10:48.839
+And everything related to BySauce in Python is in BySauce pip.
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+These are packages that are ready
+
+00:10:52.880 --> 00:10:57.959
+to be exported to pypi and
+
+00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.749
+For example, for LCNT, if you go here,
+
+00:11:02.750 --> 00:11:04.558
+let's go to the bin directory.
+
+00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:15.808
+These are the utilities that dissect the PDF output of Beamer
+
+00:11:15.809 --> 00:11:23.839
+converted to images so that you can insert them in Reveal.
+
+00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:29.159
+And then again, if you were to just wanted to dig deeper
+
+00:11:29.160 --> 00:11:34.759
+in any of these as components,
+
+00:11:34.760 --> 00:11:40.559
+you would simply start from this top level page
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+and explore the organizations.
+
+00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:48.719
+So in total, maybe there is 300 repos,
+
+00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:54.279
+but they are organized by subject matter
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+within GitHub organizations.
+
+00:12:03.400 --> 00:12:10.799
+Yeah. Additional general comment.
+
+00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:13.039
+If you were to look at my presentation,
+
+00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:17.519
+I'd say I touched on five different topics.
+
+00:12:17.520 --> 00:12:24.039
+So, one topic was this content generation in general.
+
+00:12:24.040 --> 00:12:35.279
+The second one was this challenge of DIY model and recipes
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+versus building something large
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+and including everything in it.
+
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+And that is, that has been the motivation
+
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+for BySauce and BLE.
+
+00:12:46.920 --> 00:12:50.279
+And I'm interested in getting feedback on it.
+
+00:12:50.280 --> 00:12:54.519
+In general, the open source culture
+
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+has been focusing on components
+
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+and large American corporations
+
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+have focused in integration of these components.
+
+00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.679
+So my short message here is that
+
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+we should start thinking as providing solutions
+
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+as opposed to minor pieces and packages
+
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+and put them all together and claim them as our own digital ecosystem.
+
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+And this is the concept behind ByStar, BySource and BLEE.
+
+00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.999
+The third point I was making throughout
+
+00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.479
+is this concept of dynamic blocks everywhere,
+
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+and Comiga, which is the inverse of Babel.
+
+00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:57.479
+And I'd also be interested in feedback on those.
+
+00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:03.239
+I think the d-blocks-everywhere concept,
+
+00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:13.079
+I can very quickly show that.
+
+00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:18.039
+it would be in the LaTeX file, as an example.
+
+00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:23.319
+I didn't really do a good job in digging deeper into that.
+
+00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:25.479
+So if you go to the sources
+
+00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:31.319
+and you look at any of the slides,
+
+00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:39.719
+All the slides are in here inside of a dynamic block.
+
+00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.919
+This is an org D block,
+
+00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:46.919
+but you would invoke it in LaTeX mode.
+
+00:14:46.920 --> 00:14:51.199
+And then from this begin to this end,
+
+00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.559
+everything is auto-generated
+
+00:14:54.560 --> 00:15:00.039
+through the Elisp function, body MM video.
+
+00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:06.879
+And the parameters that it takes are the video pass.
+
+00:15:06.880 --> 00:15:12.239
+So all of this code is repeated all over the place.
+
+00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.799
+And all you need in it is the video pass.
+
+00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:21.959
+So it's very easy to think of this as a macro capability,
+
+00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.079
+except that the macro is visible.
+
+00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.479
+And it has one additional benefit
+
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+on top of general macro capabilities,
+
+00:15:34.800 --> 00:15:36.759
+and that is that it's open.
+
+00:15:36.760 --> 00:15:41.679
+In this particular case, it closes,
+
+00:15:41.680 --> 00:15:46.439
+but let me show you another one where it is open.
+
+00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:54.879
+So if you look at, this is latex section, this one is good.
+
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+This is a derived image. And by saying that it's open
+
+00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:06.679
+is that you see my begin verbatim and my begin frame.
+
+00:16:06.680 --> 00:16:11.439
+They end and there is no closing for them.
+
+00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.999
+So the extra text that is outside
+
+00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:21.319
+of the D block and closes it is down here.
+
+00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:24.959
+And none of the existing macro capabilities
+
+00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:30.799
+gives you this feature. This even comes handy in Lisp.
+
+00:16:30.800 --> 00:16:40.039
+So that is a proposal saying
+
+00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:47.719
+that let's make D blocks, dynamic blocks,
+
+00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.959
+generalized to all of Emacs, as opposed to just org mode.
+
+00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:54.759
+And that's relatively simple.
+
+00:16:54.760 --> 00:17:01.359
+And the Emacs source team could easily decide
+
+00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:02.959
+that this is worthwhile doing.
+
+00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.759
+And then, of course, I've gone
+
+00:17:07.760 --> 00:17:09.959
+over it through the presentation.
+
+00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:20.399
+So, I see 1 question coming in. What changes have you seen?
+
+00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.719
+the culture while developing all these things
+
+00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.639
+like liver halal system and now BLCNT.
+
+00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:40.079
+Well, it's a work in progress, I would say.
+
+00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:43.039
+We learn from one another.
+
+00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:47.719
+And what I'm doing may be considered
+
+00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:52.199
+just a stepwise increment,
+
+00:17:52.200 --> 00:18:01.799
+but the cultural input is that we really should start
+
+00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:09.399
+thinking about providing solutions as opposed to packages.
+
+00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:19.319
+The FOSS culture is really limited in its scope to packages
+
+00:18:19.320 --> 00:18:24.799
+or even if when you think something very large like Debian,
+
+00:18:24.800 --> 00:18:28.159
+which is a collection of packages.
+
+00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.479
+And it is still choice oriented,
+
+00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:55.399
+as opposed to solution oriented.
+
+00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:03.599
+Yeah. Are there any additional topics or questions?
+
+00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:11.159
+Otherwise, I'll just add a few additional concepts.
+
+00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:18.079
+So the two other points made throughout the presentations
+
+00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:28.759
+are that this statement about clear invalidity
+
+00:19:28.760 --> 00:19:30.719
+of the Western IPO regime.
+
+00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.399
+So throughout the first movement,
+
+00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:42.719
+we have been focusing on providing alternative licenses
+
+00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:49.319
+which coexist with the IPR system.
+
+00:19:49.320 --> 00:19:52.199
+And that is the practical thing to do.
+
+00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.879
+We are doing a jujitsu on IPR.
+
+00:19:55.880 --> 00:20:00.919
+We are saying that this is our license to it.
+
+00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.399
+But conceptually, there has been little discussion
+
+00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:14.319
+and also positioning on this basic question
+
+00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:17.479
+as to whether or not copyright
+
+00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.119
+and patents are valid or invalid.
+
+00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:26.639
+And what I am saying is that it is clear that they are invalid,
+
+00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.439
+particularly once you start looking at them
+
+00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.759
+with the lens of polyexistentials.
+
+00:20:33.760 --> 00:20:39.239
+And that the false movement
+
+00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.199
+really needs to combine these two,
+
+00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:47.359
+this notion of free software and open source licenses,
+
+00:20:47.360 --> 00:20:51.679
+and combined with the belief system
+
+00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.839
+that we are completely and utterly against
+
+00:20:55.840 --> 00:21:00.679
+the validity of the Western intellectual property rights regime.
+
+00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:05.399
+And I use the Western and the American occasionally,
+
+00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:12.479
+and the reason behind that is that in fact it is, they are Western.
+
+00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.479
+If you go to any other language, if you go to Farsi,
+
+00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.079
+if you go to Arabic, if you go to Chinese,
+
+00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:24.159
+if you go to Japanese, which are non-Western cultures,
+
+00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:28.639
+the concept of intellectual property,
+
+00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:33.159
+the words, the vocabulary of those
+
+00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.639
+combination of intellectual and property,
+
+00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.559
+did not exist anywhere in those cultures.
+
+00:21:40.560 --> 00:21:44.559
+It's only in the past, maybe 60, 70 years
+
+00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:52.279
+that they have been translated from the Western world and brought into it.
+
+00:21:52.280 --> 00:21:54.639
+So there is an inherent root
+
+00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:58.959
+into the intellectual property rights system,
+
+00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.679
+which goes to the Western culture.
+
+00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:08.439
+The second point that I have brought into
+
+00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:10.999
+this presentation and the previous ones
+
+00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:16.239
+is this question of, if we go with free software,
+
+00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.119
+if we go with open software,
+
+00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:22.159
+are we really creating the right labels?
+
+00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.679
+And my point is that no, neither of them,
+
+00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.479
+neither free software, nor open source
+
+00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.159
+are capturing really the essence
+
+00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.399
+of what we are trying to do.
+
+00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:41.439
+And I claim that that is in fact ethics and morality.
+
+00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:48.879
+And it is societal belief that if we reject
+
+00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.879
+intellectual property rights regime,
+
+00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:53.279
+what do we replace it with?
+
+00:22:53.280 --> 00:22:58.799
+And in my thinking is that a software developer
+
+00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:00.919
+does not get to choose
+
+00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.919
+what license goes with his or her software,
+
+00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.319
+and that the equivalent of a federal GPL
+
+00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:13.839
+is the default correct license
+
+00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:16.319
+to use for all of your software
+
+00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:21.039
+because it is the one that reflects the belief system
+
+00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:24.719
+that all software should be ethical software.
+
+00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:43.559
+Yeah, I'm looking at the Etherpad again and
+
+00:23:43.560 --> 00:23:48.679
+The question is about IP and AI.
+
+00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:54.359
+So yeah, over the past two years,
+
+00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:56.599
+something huge has happened.
+
+00:23:56.600 --> 00:24:04.919
+And what I am seeing in there as a solution
+
+00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:12.319
+is essentially comes down to a talk
+
+00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:16.839
+that was given maybe two years ago by someone at EmacsConf,
+
+00:24:16.840 --> 00:24:22.359
+and its label was attribution-based economics.
+
+00:24:22.360 --> 00:24:28.319
+In my thinking, intellectual property
+
+00:24:28.320 --> 00:24:29.839
+as a whole is invalid.
+
+00:24:29.840 --> 00:24:36.119
+But that means that through something like a federal GPL,
+
+00:24:36.120 --> 00:24:41.719
+you focus on attribution basing, proper attribution basing.
+
+00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:43.839
+If somebody has done some work,
+
+00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:48.599
+it should be clear, no matter what, that that work is his.
+
+00:24:48.600 --> 00:24:54.879
+And that we already, even prior to AI, we were seeing this.
+
+00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:59.399
+We were seeing large GitHub repos with hundreds of authors.
+
+00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:09.879
+And it was utterly unclear as to who would own this whole thing.
+
+00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:14.119
+And any piece of it is not of significance.
+
+00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:16.879
+What is of significance is the whole thing.
+
+00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:25.039
+So moving towards that attribution based economics is key.
+
+00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:27.599
+And then once we do that,
+
+00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:31.919
+and then we accept AI as a reality.
+
+00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:38.199
+AI should still take very seriously
+
+00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:43.999
+and conform to attribution-based economics.
+
+00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.879
+In other words, what is generated by the machine
+
+00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.279
+should not be claimed to be no one's
+
+00:25:51.280 --> 00:25:54.239
+or the machine owners, the AI owners.
+
+00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.879
+It should still clearly be attributed
+
+00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:03.039
+to the people who contributed in its creation.
+
+00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:06.959
+This all becomes very muddy, very clear,
+
+00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.919
+and I don't have a simple or clear answer to it.
+
+00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:16.079
+But the perimeters of the solution lie in
+
+00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:21.479
+rejection of intellectual property,
+
+00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.039
+replacement of the intellectual property
+
+00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:27.399
+with attribution-based economics,
+
+00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.199
+and restrictions on AI use
+
+00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:38.199
+of not properly attributed content.
+
+00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:50.239
+Yeah, I'd say that would be, it's a complicated topic
+
+00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:56.119
+and I would simply say I haven't figured it out at all.
+
+00:26:56.120 --> 00:27:03.759
+I just have a perimeter set of concepts
+
+00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:06.479
+that can be used to drive it.
+
+00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:20.679
+Are there any other questions? If there aren't any,
+
+00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.159
+I thank everybody again,
+
+00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.799
+and particularly the EmacsConf organizers and Sacha.
+
+00:27:27.800 --> 00:27:32.639
+And I look forward to continuing all of this next year.
+
+00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:39.079
+Unless there is any objection,
+
+00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:45.360
+I'll leave the session and close it. Thank you.