update BBB notes

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@@ -489,22 +489,62 @@ The server running bbb.emacsverse.org has been decommissioned, since the nonprof
 
 Some options:
 
-- Go back to using meet.jit.si
+- Linode with 16GB RAM and 8 cores
+  - Advantages: can experiment with both Galene and BBB, manage things ourselves, have filesystem access
+  - Disadvantages: needs someone to do it
+  - Base pricing
+    - Shared CPU 4GB 80GB storage: hourly USD 0.04, monthly USD 24
+    - Dedicated CPU 16GB: hourly USD 0.22, monthly USD 144
+    - Shared CPU 8GB 160GB storage: hourly USD 0.07
+    - Shared CPU 16GB 320GB storage: hourly USD 0.14
+    - Last year
+    - Block storage: $1/10GB/month
+      - 125M/hour - [[https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq/#what-is-the-disk-space-usage-for-storing-one-hour-of-recordings][FAQ]]
+      - In 2023, we had 31 hours of trimmed recordings (main + answers),
+        - (* 31 0.125) 3.875, oh, maybe we can get away with 10GB storage and add another chunk of 10GB midway if we need it, or extend the dedicated
+        - Actually, block storage probably not needed if we're going to keep the big instance up until the recordings are done
+  - Ideas
+    - *Option A: Run a small instance continuously, scale up for the conference, pull the recordings off, spin the instance down* - est total USD 60+tax
+      - There are three weeks between now and the conference (* 0.04 24 7 3) USD 20
+      - Last year, recordings were available within three days after the conference
+      - Let's plan for a week at high capacity. (* 0.22 24 7) USD 36.96
+      - and a month of 10GB, possibly up to 30GB. USD 3
+      - That's probably small enough that it doesn't make as much sense to try to fully spin down for a week in between now and the conference (* 0.04 24 7) - which would save USD 6.72 but require figuring out backing up, etc.
+    - *Option B: Run a slightly larger shared CPU instance from now until shortly after the conference* in case BBB does not work for installation/testing with less memory; block storage probably not needed
+      - (* 0.07 24 7 3) USD 35.28 for 8GB, total (+ 35.28 36.96) USD 72.24
+      - (* 0.14 24 7 3) USD 70.56 for 16GB, total (+ 70.56 36.96) USD 107.52
+
+- Ask FSF if we can borrow their BBB or Galene, maybe limit it to cycling among 6 or 7 rooms
+- Pay for BigBlueButton hosting; can we find one that's compatible with our commitment to freedom?
+  - https://bigbluebutton.host/plans/#economyplans - Economy 120 (USD 130/month) or Economy 80 (USD 85/month), custom URL
+  - https://www.bigbluemeeting.com/#pricing - 100 concurrent users: USD 125/month, custom URL
+  - https://www.mynaparrot.com/affordable-bigbluebutton-hosting
+    - 100 concurrent users: USD 79/month
+    - 200 concurrent users and custom URL: USD 15 setup fee + USD 149/month
+  - https://www.webhostingzone.org/solutions/bigbluebutton-hosting.html - 150 concurrent, USD 75/month
+  - https://bbbplugin.com/en/pricing/bigbluebutton-for-api/ - 250 concurrent, USD 49 setup + USD 108.80/month
+  - https://biggerbluebutton.com/plans
+    - 150 concurrent users, 10 concurrent meetings, USD 40/month
+    - custom domain, 600 concurrent users, USD 149/month
+  - Compare with Linode pricing
+- Try to squeeze it onto res.emacsconf.org
+  - Tricky to run on a shared server; it likes to use a lot of ports and strongly recommends running it on its own server
+- Go back to using meet.jit.si?
   - Free:
     - Need to check speed, reliability
     - Can send RTMP from the meeting itself
+    - [2024-11-13 Wed] I attended Ihor's
+      OrgMeetup, which he hosted on meet.jit.si. I
+      think he had bandwidth issues at some point
+      and we lost his audio. I remember we ran
+      into that problem before, too, when we used
+      Jitsi for one of the Emacsconfs. Free Jitsi
+      hosting might not be the right fit for us.
   - Paid: USD 99/month + $0.01/min for recordings + $0.01 min (optional) for RTMP streaming
-- Try to squeeze it onto res.emacsconf.org
-  - Tricky to run on a shared server; it likes to use a lot of ports and strongly recommends running it on its own server
-- Linode with 16GB RAM and 8 cores
-  - Dedicated CPU 16GB is $.216/hour at Linode
-  - Premium CPU is $.26/hour
-  - Plus block storage, $1/10GB/month charged hourly (recommended 500, so $+18/month)
-- Ask FSF if we can borrow theirs, maybe limit it to cycling among 6 or 7 rooms
-- Pay for BigBlueButton hosting; can we find one that's compatible with our commitment to freedom?
 - Galene?
   - [2024-10-31 Thu] I checked out Galene in the last Emacs Berlin meeting. It's promising, but I think the user interface might still need a bit of work. Simple deployment (run one Go binary, I think), but muting/unmuting doesn't trigger enabling the microphone, and the chat was buggy to get to on my mobile device. Supposed to have support for raising hands.
 
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 * Support code
 :PROPERTIES:
 :CUSTOM_ID: support-code