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+And I believe we are live. Hi, Daniel, how are you doing? I'm
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+doing great. It's cold outside, but it's nice in here, yeah.
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+I can assure you it's very cold in my own place as well. We do
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+EmacsConf always in December and that's always when it's
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+particularly cold where I live and I assume where you live as
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+well. So, don't worry, we'll try to keep you warm with
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+interesting questions. But first, thank you for taking the
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+time out of your busy high school life to make a presentation
+
+NOTE Q: Do you have any thoughts about the process of recording something for a conference?
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+about Emacs. Do you have any thoughts about the process of
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+recording something for a conference? Because I assume
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+it's one of the first ones you're ever doing.
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+I think it was not as difficult as I thought it would be. I just
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+recorded in my basement and prepared some notes
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+beforehand. I think it was definitely helpful to have Emacs
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+as a tool for that, because I made my presentation with
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+Beamer. Right. I mean, it's amazing to see so many of the
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+tools because, you know, you've shown Emacs, but you've
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+shown Beamer. You've shown tools that are about twice as old
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+as you are yourself, which is amazing when you think about
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+it. But I think many people in the audience can actually
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+relate to your discovery of those tools because we were
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+pretty much, I mean a lot of us were your age when we started
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+playing with those tools so it's like there's a little bit of
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+nostalgia that we feel looking at your presentation
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+because we are, we can see the excitement behind everything
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+you've touched and that's great for us because it brings us
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+back maybe 10 or 20 years in the past and for others perhaps 30
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+or 40 years so that's kind of amazing.
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+How about we start taking some questions? So, just for
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+timekeeping, we have until 20 of the current hours, which is
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+8 minutes and 30 seconds to cover as many questions as
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+possible. Now, if we might take the first one. So, Corwin,
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+can you scroll down to the questions? Yes. I'll be reading
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+you the questions just to make it a little easier for you,
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+Daniel, to answer them.
+
+NOTE Q: I use org-roam for notes and find it very useful - have you considered it?
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+I use Org-roam for notes and find it
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+very useful. Have you considered it? Uh, yeah, that's
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+actually where I started out for taking notes. Um, that,
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+that I moved to Denote because I didn't use all of its
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+features, um, for, Org Roam, I meant.
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+Uh, I also didn't, didn't really like the dependency on an
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+external database. Uh, it just like took a while for, um,
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+stuff to index if I moved it between like, uh, using sync
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+thing. laptop and my desktop. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely
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+something, I mean, I co-maintain Org Roam, so I'm fully aware
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+of this problem with it. And yeah, SyncThing is not great to
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+sync a database, a SQLite database that we use. And, I mean,
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+whichever solution you use, whatever works for you is good.
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+Orgrim was kind of thought in terms of scalability for
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+people who had, you know, thousands of notes with thousands
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+of links inside of them. so perhaps it's not adapted to your
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+note-taking style right now, but perhaps it's something to
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+keep in mind, you know, it's many tools and you use them when
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+you need to. Colin, if we can switch the questions, I'm
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+switching to the second one.
+
+NOTE Q: Do you use the Getting Things Done methodology as part of your Org workflow?
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+Do you use the Getting Things
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+Done methodology as part of your Org workflow? So there's an
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+interesting thing about that. I started with Org first and
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+then I heard about Getting Things Done, so I didn't exactly
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+design my workflow with that in mind, but I sort of
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+reinvented it, I would say, not really, but I do a lot of
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+the similar things, but I don't have the different TODO
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+states like...
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+I don't know an example because I didn't really look into it
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+that much, but it would be like NEXT isn't the next thing
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+you're going to do. But I don't think I...
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+where I just write what I need to do and then schedule it and
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+then look at my agenda for the next thing. Yeah, I mean, part
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+of the beauty of using Emacs, Org Mode or using a methodology
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+like Getting Things Done is that I think you need to find room
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+in the method or the tool for you to organically do what you
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+want. And it's okay to not do everything in a Getting Things
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+Done methodology. I know a lot of people take issue
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+with the tickler file, where you're supposed to put stuff to
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+review in the future. For instance, if you don't want
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+to work on this particular topic right now in your life, you
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+decide, oh, I'd like to revisit this topic maybe in six
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+months. And then you have this tickler file, which has
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+entries and folders for each month of the year. And when six
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+months comes and you find yourself at the beginning of the
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+next month, you open the file and you see, oh there's the task
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+I left off for later. A lot of people don't like to do it this
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+way, some people really like it, but part of the beauty of
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+having tools which are very modular like Emacs and Org Mode
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+allows you to have, well, you just adjust the method for
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+something that works. And there's something to be garnered
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+as well for applying these lessons to how you organize your
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+life, not merely in front of a computer, but also how you
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+manage your tasks elsewhere at school, iSchool or
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+elsewhere.
+
+NOTE Q: org-fc and org-drill are emacs org mode centric flash card solutions, have you looked into them?
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+All right, moving to the next question. Org-fc and org-drill
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+are Emacs Org Mode-centric flashcard solutions. Have you
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+looked into them? I think I looked into Org-Drill, but I
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+wanted to use Anki because of... I wanted to use it on my
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+phone, but then I realized I had to pay for the app, and then I
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+didn't want to use it on my phone anymore.
+
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+but it's just something that I used before without work mode
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+for a little bit. And then I liked it,
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+but yeah, it works pretty well with Org mode. So I didn't
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+find a reason to switch to one of those because like I might be
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+not at a computer one day and have to learn something. Yeah,
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+that's something that you call premature optimization.
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+And if you continue as a software engineer at university,
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+you'll get to hear plenty of this. But yes, Anki is also a tool
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+that I've used a whole lot in my learning journeys, be it
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+about languages, be it about literature, be it about
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+whatever really, and it's a very good tool and I recommend
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+people to look into it, especially since they've released a
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+new algorithm to manage learning a little differently than
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+the old one. If you're familiar with SuperMemo, I really
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+invite you to look into the advancement
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+in Anki in recent years.
+
+NOTE Q: What do other students think about your approach - and what are they doing instead (if anything)? And your teachers - what do they think?
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+Moving to another question, what do other students
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+think about your approach and what are they doing instead,
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+if anything? And your teachers, what do they think? So for
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+other students they usually are just confused about what's
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+going on when I show my computer because they know that I use
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+Linux but they don't know what it is so they're just assuming
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+everything on my computer is I'm either hacking or like
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+doing some Linux thing and
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+I don't really bother to explain it to them so that's kind
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+But for I love it. See my see my prior videos. That's that's
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+wonderful. Pardon me. Pardon me for breaking in, Daniel.
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+But I just since I have, I want to say wonderful
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+presentation. I love your spirit, your tone and great
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+thought there.
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+For my teachers, I think...
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+because if I write an essay or something, I usually paste it
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+in Google Docs. But recently, I got more confident, which is
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+export to LaTeX, and I did that for my physics labs. My
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+teacher was pretty satisfied with the results for the math
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+formatting. So I think they don't really have a problem with
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+00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.959
+it, where it's actually more convenient, maybe.
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+That's really great to hear and if you continue at
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+university, which I'm almost sure that you will, your
+
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+professors, you'll be pretty much using the same tools as
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+they are, so you'll find yourself in a like-minded crowd of
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+people once you get to university. We are a little short on
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+time because we need to move to the next talk in about one
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+minute. There are still some questions and Daniel, I would
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+invite you to stay and maybe answer them in a room so that we
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+can gather as many of your answers as possible. But before we
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+leave, I just want to give you the opportunity, if you have
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+any last words, to share them with the crowd.
+
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+Well, for the students who may be watching this, I hope that
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+you give Emacs a try. And good luck if you decide to use
+
+00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:01.519
+something else because it's probably won't be as great.
+
+00:10:01.520 --> 00:10:07.399
+It's very good to be so young and to already be convinced that
+
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+Emacs is the best thing. For some of us, it took us many
+
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+decades to reach this conclusion, and I'm so happy
+
+00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.095
+to see young people. I used to be a teacher,
+
+00:10:15.096 --> 00:10:17.016
+by the way, so I used to teach people your age,
+
+00:10:17.017 --> 00:10:19.799
+but I'm so happy to see people your age
+
+00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:23.359
+interested in Emacs because it makes me hopeful that in the
+
+00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.799
+future we'll have people carrying the flame and standing on
+
+00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:30.039
+the shoulders of current people. So thank you so much,
+
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+Daniel. We'll be seeing you soon. We wish you good luck with
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+00:10:32.917 --> 00:10:35.999
+your studies. And for EmacsConf, we'll be moving to the next
+
+00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.624
+talk in five seconds. See you soon. And I want to reassure
+
+00:10:39.625 --> 00:10:44.332
+you, we'll post all the Q&A info when we do post this video.
+
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+Yes. So Daniel, as I said,
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+00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.239
+if you want to stick around a little more with
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+00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.839
+Corwin to answer the questions, that's all fine.
+
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+I'll be moving to the next room to get ready for the next
+
+00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:59.159
+talks. So thank you, Daniel. And I'll see you later.
+
+00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:06.199
+All right, the cops are gone. Wait, no, I'm just kidding. No,
+
+00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.042
+but if you'd like to walk through a few more of these
+
+00:11:10.043 --> 00:11:11.960
+questions, I'd be happy to record that. You're not
+
+00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.559
+obligated to do that. You could also, the pad's there. You
+
+00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:16.999
+could just type out your answers or whatever you prefer to
+
+00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:24.559
+do. I guess I can answer them still. Cool.
+
+00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:25.359
+So we're here.
+
+NOTE Q: What was your biggest source of frustration/friction/confusion when getting started with Emacs?
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+00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.759
+What was your biggest source of frustration, friction,
+
+00:11:27.760 --> 00:11:32.319
+confusion when getting started?
+
+00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:38.239
+I honestly don't really remember. It
+
+00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:45.279
+somehow just clicked one day and I figured it out.
+
+00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:48.123
+All right, it takes us pretty naturally to the next one.
+
+NOTE Q: How did you come across Emacs? What got you into it?
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+00:11:48.124 --> 00:11:54.079
+How did you come across Emacs? What got you into it? I could ask
+
+00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.280
+this question quite
+
+00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:05.479
+similar to how I stumbled into Linux, where I was... I heard
+
+00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.519
+of it before, but I saw screenshots of it
+
+00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:11.247
+or something on Reddit, and I was like, oh,
+
+00:12:11.248 --> 00:12:14.648
+that looks pretty cool, maybe I'll look into that.
+
+00:12:14.649 --> 00:12:16.599
+And then on YouTube, I would see videos
+
+00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:21.199
+about Doom Emacs, and then the Doomcasts video,
+
+00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:37.239
+I think that's what really got me into it.
+
+00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:42.279
+Okay, I did my best to capture that. So what's the situation
+
+00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:46.439
+with respect to the mobile use, if that's applicable? And
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+00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:47.639
+Orgzly is,
+
+00:12:47.640 --> 00:12:52.359
+sorry, was it not Doomcast? Is it System Crafters?
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+Sorry if I botched the note. Oh yeah, System Crafters was
+
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+also one of the things I used for getting into Emacs from
+
+00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:08.079
+scratch. I'm sorry if my dog is barking.
+
+00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:16.799
+the, I'm not sure how to pronounce his name, but Protesilaos,
+
+00:13:16.800 --> 00:13:20.399
+I think that's how you say it. I always say Prot just to get me
+
+00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:23.039
+out of that problem for what it's worth. I'm not sure that I
+
+00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:26.719
+can say it properly either. Yeah, his videos were really
+
+00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.479
+great for getting started with each, each individual
+
+00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:31.240
+component of
+
+00:13:31.292 --> 00:13:34.124
+something like there's entire videos just
+
+00:13:34.125 --> 00:13:40.249
+about completion and about a tool called Embark. And like, I
+
+00:13:40.250 --> 00:13:41.318
+would just watch those videos
+
+00:13:41.319 --> 00:13:42.999
+while I was doing the dishes or something.
+
+00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:53.679
+and I would learn a lot from that.
+
+NOTE Q: What the situation with respect to "mobile" use (if ever that's applicable)? (yes, Orgzly...using that?)
+
+00:13:53.680 --> 00:13:59.120
+Awesome. I love it. What about the mobile...
+
+00:13:59.121 --> 00:14:04.960
+sorry, did I get that question out there already? Oh, no.
+
+00:14:04.961 --> 00:14:07.917
+I don't use Emacs or any Org Mode things on my
+
+00:14:07.918 --> 00:14:19.963
+phone. I have an iPhone, unfortunately.
+
+00:14:19.964 --> 00:14:24.120
+But for org files, I couldn't really get it to sync over
+
+00:14:24.121 --> 00:14:26.800
+without using a paid app.
+
+00:14:26.801 --> 00:14:28.040
+And I didn't really look into it
+
+00:14:28.041 --> 00:14:30.140
+that much because I have a computer with me
+
+00:14:30.141 --> 00:14:36.000
+almost all the time.
+
+00:14:36.001 --> 00:14:39.520
+Usually I carry around a notebook. And if I really need to
+
+00:14:39.521 --> 00:14:41.940
+know something or remember it for later,
+
+00:14:41.941 --> 00:14:52.660
+I just write it down.
+
+00:14:52.661 --> 00:15:01.759
+I've seen people get started with e-ink tablets, and they
+
+00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:07.959
+sync it with SyncThing because it's Android, but I don't use
+
+00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:21.919
+that, so I can't really attest to how good it is.
+
+NOTE Q: Has using emacs led to expanded interest in programming/computer science?
+
+00:15:21.920 --> 00:15:25.559
+So has using Emacs led you to an expanded interest in
+
+00:15:25.560 --> 00:15:28.519
+programming and computer science? Sorry if
+
+00:15:28.520 --> 00:15:31.781
+I could have got that out of the presentation.
+
+00:15:31.782 --> 00:15:33.999
+I think Emacs is what got me
+
+00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.840
+started with Lisp specifically.
+
+00:15:37.900 --> 00:15:40.380
+Otherwise, I probably would have not really looked into it
+
+00:15:40.381 --> 00:15:44.920
+that much, other than like  maybe dabbling in Scheme
+
+00:15:44.921 --> 00:15:50.180
+from the Structures and Interpretations of Computer
+
+00:15:50.181 --> 00:15:53.680
+Programs book. But I probably wouldn't have seen that if I
+
+00:15:53.681 --> 00:16:06.120
+hadn't discovered Emacs either so.
+
+00:16:06.121 --> 00:16:08.792
+I was already into programming
+
+00:16:08.793 --> 00:16:14.958
+before Emacs, and I had used VS Code for a little bit and then
+
+00:16:14.959 --> 00:16:22.917
+Vim. But I think I've done most of my programming
+
+00:16:22.918 --> 00:16:26.667
+inside of Emacs, in terms of lines of code written,
+
+00:16:26.668 --> 00:16:40.671
+projects made...
+
+NOTE Q: How does interaction with others work in technical terms?
+
+00:16:40.672 --> 00:16:44.519
+So maybe we'd jump from there, right, to, you mentioned
+
+00:16:44.520 --> 00:16:48.359
+exporting notes, essays, and so on, handing them on to other
+
+00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:53.319
+people. How does interaction with others work in technical
+
+00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.759
+terms? We mostly find workflows centered around like
+
+00:16:57.760 --> 00:17:00.479
+Microsoft products, and that makes sense to me. I have a day
+
+00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.719
+job where I have to work with a bunch of Microsoft products,
+
+00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:08.399
+and I know the workflows for that. So how do you manage your
+
+00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:14.519
+kind of Emacs-y you know, workflows, um, you know, in terms of
+
+00:17:14.520 --> 00:17:19.119
+sharing with people. Yeah. So for sharing with like my
+
+00:17:19.120 --> 00:17:22.719
+teachers or something, I would, we use like Google at our
+
+00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.759
+school. So for, I'm very fortunate that I don't have to deal
+
+00:17:25.760 --> 00:17:29.639
+with Microsoft other than with a very niche situations in
+
+00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.599
+which I can just use LibreOffice and then convert to Doc X or
+
+00:17:32.600 --> 00:17:35.719
+something. I heard that chef. That's, that's how all my
+
+00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.679
+vendors, uh, my vendors all roll their eyes when they were,
+
+00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.885
+oh, you're a Microsoft shop. Yep. Heard.
+
+00:17:42.886 --> 00:17:45.947
+Then they're all Google shops too, in education.
+
+00:17:45.948 --> 00:17:51.958
+Great point. For Google, I just... If my teachers wanted
+
+00:17:51.959 --> 00:17:53.125
+a Google Doc or something,
+
+00:17:53.126 --> 00:17:54.299
+I usually just copy paste
+
+00:17:54.300 --> 00:17:55.679
+whatever I wrote in Emacs
+
+00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.333
+and then still keep it, anyway, as a side thing
+
+00:17:59.334 --> 00:18:00.667
+because I don't really trust the cloud
+
+00:18:00.668 --> 00:18:02.875
+that much in terms of using
+
+00:18:02.876 --> 00:18:10.667
+it for later if I wanted to look at it. But for that, I don't
+
+00:18:10.668 --> 00:18:14.339
+really have too much problems. Hopefully, I will find a way
+
+00:18:14.340 --> 00:18:21.439
+to figure it out when I get into university.
+
+00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:26.679
+Awesome. Okay, well, I know we did it once already, but since
+
+00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.479
+this will be the end of the video, let me just open the floor
+
+00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.439
+one more time for parting thoughts.
+
+00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:41.719
+I'm not sure that I have any. I mean, you said it pretty well,
+
+00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:46.639
+right? I hope my peers see this. I hope they realize other
+
+00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.879
+tools are kind of inferior from a gets things done
+
+00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:54.639
+standpoint. Saw your talk. Heard that message in this Q&A.
+
+00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.159
+I think you did a great job. You don't have to say more, but
+
+00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:02.835
+just offering you the chance. Thank you.
+
+00:19:02.836 --> 00:19:03.916
+Well, thank you, Daniel,
+
+00:19:03.917 --> 00:19:07.439
+and thanks to everybody watching this video
+
+00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.838
+during the conference or after it,
+
+00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.159
+and appreciate and look forward
+
+00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:18.880
+to your talks in the future, Daniel. Thank you.