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diff --git a/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt b/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt new file mode 100644 index 00000000..875539c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +WEBVTT + + +00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:16.999 +Introduction + +00:00:17.000 --> 00:01:26.639 +Why Lisp matters + +00:01:26.640 --> 00:02:54.840 +Why Emacs Lisp was chosen + +00:02:54.841 --> 00:03:38.580 +Other "Emacsen" + +00:03:38.581 --> 00:06:39.119 +Why not Common Lisp? + +00:06:39.120 --> 00:08:30.079 +Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead + +00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:58.259 +Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation + +00:08:58.260 --> 00:10:31.079 +Why not just use GNU Emacs? + +00:10:31.080 --> 00:14:03.079 +Why Lem + +00:14:03.080 --> 00:15:49.599 +Similarities and differences + +00:15:49.600 --> 00:18:27.560 +Demo diff --git a/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt b/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b078c281 --- /dev/null +++ b/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt @@ -0,0 +1,1079 @@ +WEBVTT captioned by sachac, checked by sachac + +NOTE Introduction + +00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.199 +Hello, my name is Fermin. + +00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:06.959 +Today, I'm going to talk about the Emacsen family, + +00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:11.159 +the design of an Emacs, and the importance of Lisp. + +00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:13.519 +So we're going to talk about Lisp. + +00:00:13.520 --> 00:00:16.999 +I want to start from the end. + +NOTE Why Lisp matters + +00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.039 +The first question I want to ask is + +00:00:19.040 --> 00:00:21.399 +why I think Lisp matters. + +00:00:21.400 --> 00:00:22.879 +When I'm talking about Lisp here, + +00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:27.559 +I'm talking about the idea of Lisp, + +00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:30.119 +so the family of languages that are Lisp. + +00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:34.719 +But given that there's no formal specification of Lisp, + +00:00:34.720 --> 00:00:40.599 +so the opinion might vary. I will expect that Lisp, + +00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.439 +most of the Lisp have these kind of features. + +00:00:44.440 --> 00:00:46.239 +The first one is homoiconic: + +00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.799 +the code is data, basically. + +00:00:49.800 --> 00:00:52.559 +They also have a REPL: read-eval-print loop. + +00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:57.759 +That is very powerful and can help in development. + +00:00:57.760 --> 00:01:00.359 +Also, I think a good Lisp + +00:01:00.360 --> 00:01:03.319 +should have a powerful macro system. + +00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.759 +I'm good with compile-time macros, + +00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.599 +but read-time is also interesting. + +00:01:07.600 --> 00:01:10.279 +There's a lot of Lisp that you can choose. + +00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:11.999 +There's the main three ones, of course, + +00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:13.839 +with Scheme, Common Lisp, and Clojure. + +00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:19.674 +Scheme by Guile, Common Lisp by Common Lisp, + +00:01:19.675 --> 00:01:26.639 +and Clojure by Clojure or ClojureScript. + +NOTE Why Emacs Lisp was chosen + +00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.079 +So let's talk about Emacs Lisp. + +00:01:28.080 --> 00:01:29.679 +I didn't mention Emacs Lisp. + +00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.519 +I'm going to talk about why Emacs Lisp + +00:01:32.520 --> 00:01:35.599 +was chosen for an Emacs editor. + +00:01:35.600 --> 00:01:39.159 +We're going to explore this kind of design of the Emacs. + +00:01:39.160 --> 00:01:42.279 +And Emacs Lisp is the main language of it. Why? + +00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.959 +Given that there were a few alternatives at the time, + +00:01:44.960 --> 00:01:48.159 +why Emacs Lisp was chosen? + +00:01:48.160 --> 00:01:51.919 +So RMS, Richard Stallman, needed a Lisp, + +00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.279 +and there wasn't one available at the time. + +00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:57.039 +Keep in mind, this was the early 80s. + +00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:03.240 +Stallman was writing at that point the GCC, I think, + +00:02:03.241 --> 00:02:07.974 +and he was writing the core components + +00:02:07.975 --> 00:02:10.440 +of what is going to become GNU. + +00:02:10.441 --> 00:02:15.499 +He needed an editor. He wanted Lisp. He wanted Emacs. + +00:02:15.500 --> 00:02:20.280 +So he wrote Emacs Lisp. So at that time, + +00:02:20.281 --> 00:02:24.599 +the functionality was more important than "perfection." + +00:02:24.600 --> 00:02:26.639 +What I mean [by] "perfection" is: we programmers + +00:02:26.640 --> 00:02:33.359 +sometimes like to make everything good + +00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:36.479 +or very, very good when sometimes, indeed, + +00:02:36.480 --> 00:02:39.119 +it's more important that it works + +00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:42.919 +to do the task that it should. + +00:02:42.920 --> 00:02:44.199 +And it's not a bad language. + +00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:50.239 +It's not that bad. At that time, it was mostly nice. + +00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:54.840 +Today, it's good enough, I think. + +NOTE Other "Emacsen" + +00:02:54.841 --> 00:02:59.460 +He wasn't the first one, the GNU Emacs, + +00:02:59.461 --> 00:03:02.540 +nor the only one, of course. + +00:03:02.541 --> 00:03:06.439 +There were others: Hemlock, Zmacs, and Climacs... + +00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:08.980 +Two of them, I think, were written in Common Lisp, + +00:03:08.981 --> 00:03:14.479 +and Zmacs was written in a Lisp from a Lisp machine, + +00:03:14.480 --> 00:03:16.639 +so it was an implementation of Emacs. + +00:03:16.640 --> 00:03:19.039 +Not GNU Emacs, but the original idea + +00:03:19.040 --> 00:03:22.079 +of Emacs for a Lisp machine. + +00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:23.759 +So Hemlock was written in Common Lisp, + +00:03:23.760 --> 00:03:26.079 +but it's no longer used and no longer developed, + +00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.999 +as far as I know. And Climacs, it was developed, + +00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.519 +but it was abandoned, I think. + +00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.639 +So three of them failed for different reasons. + +00:03:33.640 --> 00:03:37.879 +Zmacs was because of the Lisp machine market crash, + +00:03:37.880 --> 00:03:38.580 +and yeah, it also failed. + +NOTE Why not Common Lisp? + +00:03:38.581 --> 00:03:44.039 +So Emacs got alone. And in the 90s, interesting to explore, + +00:03:44.040 --> 00:03:46.479 +some people suggest that why + +00:03:46.480 --> 00:03:49.679 +now that we have a standard Lisp, right, + +00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.559 +because Common Lisp was standardized in '94, + +00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:56.719 +why don't we change Emacs Lisp to Common Lisp? + +00:03:56.720 --> 00:03:58.999 +These are the other reasons I think are important, + +00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.159 +because that's why Stallman didn't choose Common Lisp. + +00:04:01.160 --> 00:04:02.039 +But I think the main one + +00:04:02.040 --> 00:04:03.759 +that I didn't write here + +00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:09.039 +is that Stallman wasn't a big fan of Common Lisp, + +00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:12.679 +and he was at the time the main developer + +00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:14.040 +and maintainer, of course, for Emacs. + +00:04:14.041 --> 00:04:16.439 +So he chose not to move to Common Lisp. + +00:04:16.440 --> 00:04:18.479 +But other reasons may be why... + +00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:22.919 +Because he had a late and painful standardization. + +00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:28.039 +Keep in mind, the first book that Guy Steele wrote + +00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:32.239 +was in 1984. The standardization finished in 19-- + +00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:38.279 +sorry, in 1984 was the first book + +00:04:38.280 --> 00:04:44.420 +and the standardization finished in 1994. + +00:04:44.421 --> 00:04:48.119 +So, like, 10 years of difference from one to the other. + +00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.879 +10 years of a lot of talk, a lot of money, + +00:04:51.880 --> 00:04:56.399 +and a lot of pain probably. + +00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:59.199 +The Lisp usage declined in the 90s + +00:04:59.200 --> 00:05:00.959 +due to the AI winter. + +00:05:00.960 --> 00:05:03.359 +We all know about the Lisp machine market crash. + +00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:08.839 +And the failure of commercial Lisp machine was + +00:05:08.840 --> 00:05:12.239 +inevitable at that point. + +00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:17.160 +So all the potential Emacs friends died. + +00:05:17.161 --> 00:05:21.279 +And also a lot of Emacs Lisp was already available. + +00:05:21.280 --> 00:05:24.559 +Emacs was already an amateur utility. + +00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:29.959 +Unix won the war of the operating system, as we know, + +00:05:29.960 --> 00:05:33.839 +and Emacs Lisp was available in Unix, + +00:05:33.840 --> 00:05:36.919 +or in GNU/Linux, as we know, + +00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.479 +which is the most successful implementation of Unix. + +00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.207 +Sorry, BSD. Okay. + +00:05:44.208 --> 00:05:48.399 +So Emacs won by being the "better" alternative. + +00:05:48.400 --> 00:05:49.999 +I'm quoting "better" here because + +00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.699 +I think Emacs does have a better design + +00:05:53.700 --> 00:05:56.959 +and, well, it was the one that survived, right? + +00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:00.039 +Which is the more important thing for a software or, + +00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:05.159 +you know... So Emacs won by being free, + +00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.399 +also in price, which I think the Lisp machine wasn't. + +00:06:08.400 --> 00:06:11.519 +So that was also very good. It was included. + +00:06:11.520 --> 00:06:14.559 +It had, and it still has, of course, + +00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:15.879 +a nice collection of packages + +00:06:15.880 --> 00:06:20.679 +that improve the standard functionality. + +00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.479 +It was easy to extend because of the nature of Lisp. + +00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.039 +And it has a very good integration with GNU/Linux, + +00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.399 +of course. It was created to write it. + +00:06:29.400 --> 00:06:31.079 +It makes sense that it's very good + +00:06:31.080 --> 00:06:39.119 +for a system administration perspective. + +NOTE Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead + +00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:43.319 +But I think Common Lisp is not dead yet. + +00:06:43.320 --> 00:06:45.719 +Or some people say that it's always dead, + +00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.399 +so you cannot kill the something that is always dead. + +00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:50.719 +So I don't always code in C, + +00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.199 +but when I do, it's Lisp. I'm not a big fan of C + +00:06:54.200 --> 00:06:58.599 +for a lot of things, but yeah. + +00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:02.439 +Why I think Common Lisp is still relevant + +00:07:02.440 --> 00:07:05.399 +and can be used for all kind of application, + +00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:09.279 +both commercially and non-commercially. + +00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:11.839 +The first one is the main implementation + +00:07:11.840 --> 00:07:16.799 +of Common Lisp, which is called SBCL, which is awesome. + +00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.399 +It's fast. It's a very good extension. + +00:07:19.400 --> 00:07:21.639 +Basically, it's the reference one today. + +00:07:21.640 --> 00:07:25.559 +The namespaces of common Lisp, + +00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:26.879 +I really like the implementation. + +00:07:26.880 --> 00:07:28.719 +Some people don't like it. It's a matter of taste. + +00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:29.639 +But I think it's really good. + +00:07:29.640 --> 00:07:32.919 +I have a timeless standard. So it was standardized + +00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.979 +in the 90s, as I said. + +00:07:35.980 --> 00:07:38.880 +And it doesn't really need a new standard. + +00:07:38.881 --> 00:07:44.119 +Some people say it does need, but I don't think so. + +00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:45.999 +Also it does have macro readers, + +00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.159 +which I think is a very nice feature of Common Lisp + +00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.239 +that other Lisp doesn't seem to have, + +00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:56.719 +or a lot of them don't: in my mind, Emacs Lisp and Clojure. + +00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:58.199 +Also, it's image-based development, + +00:07:58.200 --> 00:08:00.399 +which is also quite unique to Common Lisp. + +00:08:00.400 --> 00:08:04.359 +I don't know all the Lisp that does have this. + +00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:05.359 +Basically, you develop a REPL + +00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:10.159 +and then you dump the entire REPL into an image. + +00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.079 +Java would be like a core dump. + +00:08:12.080 --> 00:08:14.159 +And you create an executable. + +00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.159 +Which at the time, I guess in the 90s, + +00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.199 +was a huge one, right? + +00:08:18.200 --> 00:08:20.679 +Because you have the entire language, and the REPL, + +00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:23.799 +and the code. But today are like 20 MB, + +00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:26.599 +which in today's standard is nothing. + +00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.079 +There's pictures in your phone larger than 20 MB. + +NOTE Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation + +00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:39.239 +So there's a new Emacs in town--well, Emacs, not Emacs, + +00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.439 +Which is Lem. I think it's a very good Emacs implementation. + +00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.679 +What I mean by "Emacs" here is not a clone of GNU Emacs, + +00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:51.559 +but an Emacs-inspired editor with similar characteristics, + +00:08:51.560 --> 00:08:53.519 +and written in a Lisp, + +00:08:53.520 --> 00:08:58.259 +which is why I said that Lisp was very important. + +NOTE Why not just use GNU Emacs? + +00:08:58.260 --> 00:09:01.559 +So first, I'm going to address the elephant in the room, + +00:09:01.560 --> 00:09:05.039 +and the question that maybe most + +00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:06.159 +of you are now thinking. + +00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:12.919 +Why not just use GNU Emacs? It's the project. + +00:09:12.920 --> 00:09:15.759 +It's the main one, right? Why choose another one? + +00:09:15.760 --> 00:09:18.199 +So Lem is relatively new, 2018. + +00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.199 +And it can explore different ideas. + +00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:21.679 +It was developed by Sasaki-san. + +00:09:21.680 --> 00:09:26.719 +Basically, it was mostly a one-month project, + +00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.940 +but we are getting there. I'm not the maintainer. + +00:09:31.941 --> 00:09:36.959 +I'm a developer of Lem. So given that it's + +00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.239 +relatively new, it can explore different ideas. + +00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.519 +You're not bound to a community or backwards compatibility. + +00:09:43.520 --> 00:09:45.439 +You can explore different ideas, + +00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:46.199 +and I think that's always nice. + +00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.839 +Having multiple options creates competition, + +00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.639 +which benefits the community. So Emacs and Vim, + +00:09:52.640 --> 00:09:54.839 +the competition between the two + +00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:59.119 +always create nice packages like evil or, you know... + +00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:03.719 +It's really good to have some kind of a competition, + +00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.159 +healthy competition. + +00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:08.199 +And it doesn't share any code base with GNU Emacs. + +00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:12.879 +I want to clarify this because some people think that + +00:10:12.880 --> 00:10:16.119 +Lem is kind of a, you know, Spacemacs or Doom. + +00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.959 +No, it doesn't share any code. + +00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:27.759 +It has zero Emacs. So that's it. + +00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:29.199 +Getting this out of the way. + +00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.079 +Why I think Lem is interesting. + +NOTE Why Lem + +00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:32.359 +I'm going to show why Lem. + +00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:37.759 +Why? You can try Lem, and maybe you like it. + +00:10:37.760 --> 00:10:41.319 +First thing, these are the features + +00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:42.799 +that I really like from it. + +00:10:42.800 --> 00:10:45.574 +Can be different from person to person, + +00:10:45.575 --> 00:10:48.279 +but I think these are the main ideas + +00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:49.999 +it brings to the table and are really interesting. + +00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.119 +I want to say that Lem is not a research project. + +00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.719 +It's not like some people did that + +00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:57.239 +and it's still in development. No, no. + +00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.039 +This is a usable product that can be used + +00:11:00.040 --> 00:11:02.039 +to [do] day-to-day programming + +00:11:02.040 --> 00:11:04.559 +in a very good experience. + +00:11:04.560 --> 00:11:06.279 +This is not like--I want to clarify this + +00:11:06.280 --> 00:11:08.719 +because some people bring some exploratory projects. + +00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.799 +This is not that one. This is finished. + +00:11:10.800 --> 00:11:14.719 +Well, finished in the way that you can use it. + +00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.799 +It's not, you know, have everything in place. + +00:11:17.800 --> 00:11:20.639 +So let's continue. + +00:11:20.640 --> 00:11:22.159 +It's written 100% in Common Lisp. + +00:11:22.160 --> 00:11:23.839 +I say this because Emacs is not + +00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.279 +100% in Emacs Lisp. + +00:11:26.280 --> 00:11:28.359 +You have to modify the C code, + +00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.839 +I think, well, if you... You don't have to, + +00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.999 +but if you want to change the internals, you do. + +00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.879 +I think that given that Lem does not care + +00:11:38.880 --> 00:11:41.199 +about the implementation of the language itself-- + +00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.039 +so for example, Lem doesn't have to deal with + +00:11:44.040 --> 00:11:48.199 +how Common Lisp works, it just used the language, right? + +00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.799 +It's on top of the language. + +00:11:50.800 --> 00:11:53.879 +You can say that. Emacs Lisp is Emacs and Emacs Lisp, + +00:11:53.880 --> 00:11:56.079 +so you have to, you have both in the same place, + +00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:00.319 +which is, well, it's a double-edged sword, right? + +00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.319 +Then you have the both--similar to Emacs-- + +00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.639 +you have ncurses and SDL2 frontends. + +00:12:05.640 --> 00:12:08.719 +One is terminal-based and the other is graphical + +00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.399 +using the SDL2 library, + +00:12:10.400 --> 00:12:13.759 +which you can do a lot of crazy things. + +00:12:13.760 --> 00:12:16.159 +Of course, it's meant to program games and stuff, + +00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:19.679 +but Lem uses, and it works fairly well. + +00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:21.879 +You can program games if you want. + +00:12:21.880 --> 00:12:27.559 +Not that you need to or anything, but we have Tetris. + +00:12:27.560 --> 00:12:28.999 +So there's that. + +00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.719 +Also, separate front-end interface. + +00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.159 +So like I said, you have two, but you can create more. + +00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:36.439 +In the past, had an electron one, + +00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:41.319 +but it got abandoned for obvious reasons, I think. Sorry. + +00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.839 +This idea is taken from Neovim that had a lot of frontends. + +00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.119 +In fact, we don't have that many, + +00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:49.639 +but not that many people we have two. + +00:12:49.640 --> 00:12:51.674 +That works fairly well. + +00:12:51.675 --> 00:12:56.679 +We have superb development experience thanks to SLIME. + +00:12:56.680 --> 00:13:01.319 +So we have Micro, + +00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.039 +which is a SLIME version for Lem, basically. + +00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:08.999 +SLIME is awesome and Micro is also awesome. + +00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.319 +We have a very strong development experience + +00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.399 +that we don't have for a Lisp, + +00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:17.399 +which I think is very important. + +00:13:17.400 --> 00:13:20.319 +If you want someone to develop packages or to use your tool, + +00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.719 +your Emacs at least, + +00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:28.759 +you need to have a very good development experience, + +00:13:28.760 --> 00:13:34.039 +which enhance the extensions for the editor. + +00:13:34.040 --> 00:13:36.719 +So we have also Vim-like integration. + +00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.399 +This for me was mostly mandatory + +00:13:39.400 --> 00:13:44.439 +because I'm an evil-mode user, and I think it's really good. + +00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:49.479 +Because evil-mode is very good and the VMode, + +00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:51.719 +which it's called, even though it's more like Vim mode, + +00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.159 +it's called VMode. It's written by + +00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:59.159 +Fukamachi-san and it's really good. + +00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:01.959 +So yeah, that's the thing that I think Lem brings to + +00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:03.079 +the table and that's really interesting. + +NOTE Similarities and differences + +00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:10.519 +So I'm going to do a small demo of Lem, a Emacs example. + +00:14:10.520 --> 00:14:11.679 +First, the similarities, + +00:14:11.680 --> 00:14:14.119 +the nomenclature is very similar: modes, buffers, + +00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.439 +commands... The commands are very similar in nature. + +00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.039 +It was written with GNU Emacs in mind + +00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:24.359 +to mimic a lot of things. + +00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:29.079 +I think GNU Emacs is the best Emacs implementation + +00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.719 +in that way. So why not just take what is working, right? + +00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.599 +I have similar command, + +00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.399 +but flexible to add other default ones. + +00:14:39.400 --> 00:14:42.399 +It's not like Emacs that you have Emacs commands. + +00:14:42.400 --> 00:14:45.159 +Lem has Emacs command by default, + +00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:47.759 +but you can easily change that + +00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:49.919 +with other default ones, right? + +00:14:49.920 --> 00:14:52.159 +It's like, you can think of it like a major mode, right? + +00:14:52.160 --> 00:14:54.439 +Well, more like a global mode, + +00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.960 +sorry. That's a global mode of Emacs commands, + +00:14:57.961 --> 00:14:59.360 +or something like that. + +00:14:59.361 --> 00:15:01.519 +In general, the feeling is really close. + +00:15:01.520 --> 00:15:05.919 +So you will tell that it's really close to how both work, + +00:15:05.920 --> 00:15:07.839 +similar commands, and that shows. + +00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:12.359 +Differences, Common Lisp is not Emacs Lisp, + +00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.919 +it's similar in the surface. + +00:15:13.920 --> 00:15:16.279 +So it uses `defun`, you know, have parentheses + +00:15:16.280 --> 00:15:18.719 +and yada, yada, but it's not the same language, really, + +00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:20.839 +and sometimes you will find + +00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.639 +that the differences are substantial. + +00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:24.859 +The internals are completely different, + +00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:27.479 +of course, nothing, well, completely. + +00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.719 +They have a buffer implementation and other things, + +00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.359 +but in general, yeah, aside from that, + +00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.079 +it's completely different. + +00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.199 +And it's true that GNU Emacs + +00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.479 +has a better documentation tutorial. + +00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:39.719 +So GNU Emacs for me, I think it's + +00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:41.759 +one of the best-documented software ever. + +00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:49.599 +We're trying to go there, but we're still not there. + +NOTE Demo + +00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:54.079 +Let's do the demo. So to open Lem, you compile it, + +00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.759 +and then you have it available, + +00:15:55.760 --> 00:15:57.719 +and you open Lem. As you can see, + +00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:00.839 +we have the temporary buffer. On the top left is the mode-- + +00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.279 +not mode, + +00:16:03.280 --> 00:16:07.239 +the beam, insert, normal, visual. This is the V mode, right? + +00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.279 +In the top right corner, we have fundamental, + +00:16:10.280 --> 00:16:11.599 +which is the major mode, then paredit, + +00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.079 +which is like the minor mode, but you know, + +00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:16.079 +this is like the paredit for Emacs. + +00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.199 +In the top left buffer, + +00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.479 +you have the current buffer. + +00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.479 +So let's open the... Emacs, we all know how to do this. + +00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.319 +This is a command, like explore this command, + +00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.479 +like `open-init-file`. This opens the init file, + +00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.319 +which is in this directory, in `~/.lem/init.lisp`. + +00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.239 +As you can see, this is very similar, right? + +00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.279 +You define a command, which is not interactive, + +00:16:40.280 --> 00:16:42.959 +and then you get the buffer, right? + +00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:44.919 +This is a... So my personal command... + +00:16:44.920 --> 00:16:48.879 +Let's go to the one that I just opened. Init file, right? + +00:16:48.880 --> 00:16:52.159 +So this is a command that I did, + +00:16:52.160 --> 00:16:53.439 +which is `find-file`. + +00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.599 +This is very similar to [??], but just `find-file`. + +00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:58.399 +As you can see, very similar. + +00:16:58.400 --> 00:17:01.759 +This is the way that you program in Lem. + +00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:04.839 +This is the major mode, which is Lisp, + +00:17:04.840 --> 00:17:06.959 +that we're seeing at the top, right? + +00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.479 +And we can connect if we `slime-self-connect`. + +00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.119 +This is the prompt. This is the REPL. + +00:17:14.120 --> 00:17:17.959 +So if we... Keep in mind that this is Common Lisp, + +00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.439 +so this has different things. + +00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.719 +So we have to go to the Lem package, + +00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.199 +which is very important. This has namespaces, right? + +00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.039 +It's not the same. And we can say, okay, + +00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:32.319 +`current-buffer`. We get the buffer. + +00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:35.199 +We can explore everything that is in it, right? + +00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.559 +We have all this stuff. This is... If you're familiar + +00:17:38.560 --> 00:17:41.159 +with SLIME or Sly, this is it. + +00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:46.279 +It's just that we can say, buffer, I think it's `buffer-name`. + +00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:49.159 +Yes. And we can take this, + +00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.799 +and then we'll give you the name. + +00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:54.359 +So as you can see, the development experience + +00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:57.639 +is really powerful. We can also `lisp-scratch`, + +00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.679 +which transform... basically apply + +00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:02.639 +the major mode of Lisp to the temporary buffer. + +00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.719 +This is very similar to Emacs. + +00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:11.999 +Let's go back to the theme. I think that's it. + +00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.879 +Thank you all very much for listening to me. + +00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:15.239 +I think I point out + +00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:16.999 +the Emacsen family is really interesting. + +00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.279 +Lisp is really good, and GNU Emacs is really good, + +00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:21.199 +and I think Lem is also pretty awesome. + +00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.119 +So thank you all very much. + +00:18:23.120 --> 00:18:27.560 +I'll be answering the question now. And happy hacking. diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-after.md b/2023/info/emacsen-after.md index 79ebd275..4f6d6e8c 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsen-after.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-after.md @@ -1,6 +1,366 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> +<a name="emacsen-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + +[[!template new="1" text="""Hello, my name is Fermin.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I'm going to talk about the Emacsen family,""" start="00:00:03.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the design of an Emacs, and the importance of Lisp.""" start="00:00:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we're going to talk about Lisp.""" start="00:00:11.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to start from the end.""" start="00:00:13.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""The first question I want to ask is""" start="00:00:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why I think Lisp matters.""" start="00:00:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I'm talking about Lisp here,""" start="00:00:21.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm talking about the idea of Lisp,""" start="00:00:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the family of languages that are Lisp.""" start="00:00:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But given that there's no formal specification of Lisp,""" start="00:00:30.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so the opinion might vary. I will expect that Lisp,""" start="00:00:34.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the Lisp have these kind of features.""" start="00:00:40.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first one is homoiconic:""" start="00:00:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the code is data, basically.""" start="00:00:46.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They also have a REPL: read-eval-print loop.""" start="00:00:49.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is very powerful and can help in development.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, I think a good Lisp""" start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should have a powerful macro system.""" start="00:01:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm good with compile-time macros,""" start="00:01:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but read-time is also interesting.""" start="00:01:05.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's a lot of Lisp that you can choose.""" start="00:01:07.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's the main three ones, of course,""" start="00:01:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Scheme, Common Lisp, and Clojure.""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scheme by Guile, Common Lisp by Common Lisp,""" start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Clojure by Clojure or ClojureScript.""" start="00:01:19.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""So let's talk about Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't mention Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to talk about why Emacs Lisp""" start="00:01:29.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was chosen for an Emacs editor.""" start="00:01:32.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're going to explore this kind of design of the Emacs.""" start="00:01:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Emacs Lisp is the main language of it. Why?""" start="00:01:39.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Given that there were a few alternatives at the time,""" start="00:01:42.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why Emacs Lisp was chosen?""" start="00:01:44.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So RMS, Richard Stallman, needed a Lisp,""" start="00:01:48.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there wasn't one available at the time.""" start="00:01:51.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, this was the early 80s.""" start="00:01:54.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stallman was writing at that point the GCC, I think,""" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was writing the core components""" start="00:02:03.241" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of what is going to become GNU.""" start="00:02:07.975" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He needed an editor. He wanted Lisp. He wanted Emacs.""" start="00:02:10.441" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So he wrote Emacs Lisp. So at that time,""" start="00:02:15.500" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the functionality was more important than "perfection."""" start="00:02:20.281" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I mean [by] "perfection" is: we programmers""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes like to make everything good""" start="00:02:26.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or very, very good when sometimes, indeed,""" start="00:02:33.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's more important that it works""" start="00:02:36.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do the task that it should.""" start="00:02:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's not a bad language.""" start="00:02:42.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not that bad. At that time, it was mostly nice.""" start="00:02:44.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, it's good enough, I think.""" start="00:02:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""He wasn't the first one, the GNU Emacs,""" start="00:02:54.841" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nor the only one, of course.""" start="00:02:59.461" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There were others: Hemlock, Zmacs, and Climacs...""" start="00:03:02.541" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Two of them, I think, were written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:06.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Zmacs was written in a Lisp from a Lisp machine,""" start="00:03:08.981" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it was an implementation of Emacs.""" start="00:03:14.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not GNU Emacs, but the original idea""" start="00:03:16.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs for a Lisp machine.""" start="00:03:19.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Hemlock was written in Common Lisp,""" start="00:03:22.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's no longer used and no longer developed,""" start="00:03:23.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as far as I know. And Climacs, it was developed,""" start="00:03:26.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it was abandoned, I think.""" start="00:03:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So three of them failed for different reasons.""" start="00:03:31.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Zmacs was because of the Lisp machine market crash,""" start="00:03:33.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yeah, it also failed.""" start="00:03:37.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""So Emacs got alone. And in the 90s, interesting to explore,""" start="00:03:38.581" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some people suggest that why""" start="00:03:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""now that we have a standard Lisp, right,""" start="00:03:46.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Common Lisp was standardized in '94,""" start="00:03:49.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why don't we change Emacs Lisp to Common Lisp?""" start="00:03:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are the other reasons I think are important,""" start="00:03:56.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's why Stallman didn't choose Common Lisp.""" start="00:03:59.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I think the main one""" start="00:04:01.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I didn't write here""" start="00:04:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that Stallman wasn't a big fan of Common Lisp,""" start="00:04:03.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and he was at the time the main developer""" start="00:04:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and maintainer, of course, for Emacs.""" start="00:04:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So he chose not to move to Common Lisp.""" start="00:04:14.041" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But other reasons may be why...""" start="00:04:16.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because he had a late and painful standardization.""" start="00:04:18.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Keep in mind, the first book that Guy Steele wrote""" start="00:04:22.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was in 1984. 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Okay.""" start="00:05:40.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Emacs won by being the "better" alternative.""" start="00:05:44.208" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm quoting "better" here because""" start="00:05:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think Emacs does have a better design""" start="00:05:50.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, well, it was the one that survived, right?""" start="00:05:53.700" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Which is the more important thing for a software or,""" start="00:05:56.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know... 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It was included.""" start="00:06:08.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It had, and it still has, of course,""" start="00:06:11.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a nice collection of packages""" start="00:06:14.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that improve the standard functionality.""" start="00:06:15.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was easy to extend because of the nature of Lisp.""" start="00:06:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it has a very good integration with GNU/Linux,""" start="00:06:23.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course. It was created to write it.""" start="00:06:26.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It makes sense that it's very good""" start="00:06:29.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a system administration perspective.""" start="00:06:31.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""But I think Common Lisp is not dead yet.""" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or some people say that it's always dead,""" start="00:06:43.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you cannot kill the something that is always dead.""" start="00:06:45.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't always code in C,""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but when I do, it's Lisp. 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It's the project.""" start="00:09:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's the main one, right? Why choose another one?""" start="00:09:12.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Lem is relatively new, 2018.""" start="00:09:15.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it can explore different ideas.""" start="00:09:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was developed by Sasaki-san.""" start="00:09:20.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, it was mostly a one-month project,""" start="00:09:21.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we are getting there. I'm not the maintainer.""" start="00:09:26.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm a developer of Lem. 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So Emacs and Vim,""" start="00:09:49.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the competition between the two""" start="00:09:52.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""always create nice packages like evil or, you know...""" start="00:09:54.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's really good to have some kind of a competition,""" start="00:09:59.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""healthy competition.""" start="00:10:03.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it doesn't share any code base with GNU Emacs.""" start="00:10:06.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to clarify this because some people think that""" start="00:10:08.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem is kind of a, you know, Spacemacs or Doom.""" start="00:10:12.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, it doesn't share any code.""" start="00:10:16.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It has zero Emacs. 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No, no.""" start="00:10:55.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a usable product that can be used""" start="00:10:57.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to [do] day-to-day programming""" start="00:11:00.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a very good experience.""" start="00:11:02.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not like--I want to clarify this""" start="00:11:04.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because some people bring some exploratory projects.""" start="00:11:06.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is not that one. This is finished.""" start="00:11:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, finished in the way that you can use it.""" start="00:11:10.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not, you know, have everything in place.""" start="00:11:14.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's continue.""" start="00:11:17.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's written 100% in Common Lisp.""" start="00:11:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I say this because Emacs is not""" start="00:11:22.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""100% in Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:11:23.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You have to modify the C code,""" start="00:11:26.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, well, if you... You don't have to,""" start="00:11:28.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you want to change the internals, you do.""" start="00:11:31.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that given that Lem does not care""" start="00:11:34.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about the implementation of the language itself--""" start="00:11:38.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so for example, Lem doesn't have to deal with""" start="00:11:41.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how Common Lisp works, it just used the language, right?""" start="00:11:44.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's on top of the language.""" start="00:11:48.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can say that. Emacs Lisp is Emacs and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so you have to, you have both in the same place,""" start="00:11:53.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is, well, it's a double-edged sword, right?""" start="00:11:56.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then you have the both--similar to Emacs--""" start="00:12:00.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have ncurses and SDL2 frontends.""" start="00:12:03.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One is terminal-based and the other is graphical""" start="00:12:05.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using the SDL2 library,""" start="00:12:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which you can do a lot of crazy things.""" start="00:12:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, it's meant to program games and stuff,""" start="00:12:13.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but Lem uses, and it works fairly well.""" start="00:12:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can program games if you want.""" start="00:12:19.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not that you need to or anything, but we have Tetris.""" start="00:12:21.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's that.""" start="00:12:27.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, separate front-end interface.""" start="00:12:29.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So like I said, you have two, but you can create more.""" start="00:12:31.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the past, had an electron one,""" start="00:12:34.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it got abandoned for obvious reasons, I think. Sorry.""" start="00:12:36.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This idea is taken from Neovim that had a lot of frontends.""" start="00:12:41.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, we don't have that many,""" start="00:12:45.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not that many people we have two.""" start="00:12:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That works fairly well.""" start="00:12:49.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have superb development experience thanks to SLIME.""" start="00:12:51.675" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have Micro,""" start="00:12:56.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is a SLIME version for Lem, basically.""" start="00:13:01.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SLIME is awesome and Micro is also awesome.""" start="00:13:04.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a very strong development experience""" start="00:13:09.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we don't have for a Lisp,""" start="00:13:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I think is very important.""" start="00:13:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you want someone to develop packages or to use your tool,""" start="00:13:17.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your Emacs at least,""" start="00:13:20.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to have a very good development experience,""" start="00:13:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which enhance the extensions for the editor.""" start="00:13:28.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have also Vim-like integration.""" start="00:13:34.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This for me was mostly mandatory""" start="00:13:36.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I'm an evil-mode user, and I think it's really good.""" start="00:13:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because evil-mode is very good and the VMode,""" start="00:13:44.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which it's called, even though it's more like Vim mode,""" start="00:13:49.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's called VMode. It's written by""" start="00:13:51.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fukamachi-san and it's really good.""" start="00:13:54.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, that's the thing that I think Lem brings to""" start="00:13:59.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the table and that's really interesting.""" start="00:14:01.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""So I'm going to do a small demo of Lem, a Emacs example.""" start="00:14:03.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, the similarities,""" start="00:14:10.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the nomenclature is very similar: modes, buffers,""" start="00:14:11.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commands... The commands are very similar in nature.""" start="00:14:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was written with GNU Emacs in mind""" start="00:14:17.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mimic a lot of things.""" start="00:14:20.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think GNU Emacs is the best Emacs implementation""" start="00:14:24.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in that way. So why not just take what is working, right?""" start="00:14:29.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have similar command,""" start="00:14:33.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but flexible to add other default ones.""" start="00:14:35.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not like Emacs that you have Emacs commands.""" start="00:14:39.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lem has Emacs command by default,""" start="00:14:42.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you can easily change that""" start="00:14:45.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other default ones, right?""" start="00:14:47.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's like, you can think of it like a major mode, right?""" start="00:14:49.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, more like a global mode,""" start="00:14:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sorry. That's a global mode of Emacs commands,""" start="00:14:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or something like that.""" start="00:14:57.961" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In general, the feeling is really close.""" start="00:14:59.361" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you will tell that it's really close to how both work,""" start="00:15:01.520" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar commands, and that shows.""" start="00:15:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Differences, Common Lisp is not Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:15:07.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's similar in the surface.""" start="00:15:12.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it uses `defun`, you know, have parentheses""" start="00:15:13.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and yada, yada, but it's not the same language, really,""" start="00:15:16.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and sometimes you will find""" start="00:15:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that the differences are substantial.""" start="00:15:20.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The internals are completely different,""" start="00:15:23.260" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course, nothing, well, completely.""" start="00:15:24.860" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They have a buffer implementation and other things,""" start="00:15:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in general, yeah, aside from that,""" start="00:15:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's completely different.""" start="00:15:32.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's true that GNU Emacs""" start="00:15:34.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a better documentation tutorial.""" start="00:15:36.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So GNU Emacs for me, I think it's""" start="00:15:37.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one of the best-documented software ever.""" start="00:15:39.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're trying to go there, but we're still not there.""" start="00:15:41.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template new="1" text="""Let's do the demo. So to open Lem, you compile it,""" start="00:15:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you have it available,""" start="00:15:54.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you open Lem. As you can see,""" start="00:15:55.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have the temporary buffer. On the top left is the mode--""" start="00:15:57.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not mode,""" start="00:16:00.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the beam, insert, normal, visual. This is the V mode, right?""" start="00:16:03.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the top right corner, we have fundamental,""" start="00:16:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is the major mode, then paredit,""" start="00:16:10.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is like the minor mode, but you know,""" start="00:16:11.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is like the paredit for Emacs.""" start="00:16:15.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the top left buffer,""" start="00:16:16.080" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the current buffer.""" start="00:16:19.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So let's open the... Emacs, we all know how to do this.""" start="00:16:22.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a command, like explore this command,""" start="00:16:26.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like `open-init-file`. This opens the init file,""" start="00:16:29.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is in this directory, in `~/.lem/init.lisp`.""" start="00:16:31.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, this is very similar, right?""" start="00:16:34.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You define a command, which is not interactive,""" start="00:16:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you get the buffer, right?""" start="00:16:40.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is a... So my personal command...""" start="00:16:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go to the one that I just opened. Init file, right?""" start="00:16:44.920" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is a command that I did,""" start="00:16:48.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is `find-file`.""" start="00:16:52.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very similar to [??], but just `find-file`.""" start="00:16:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you can see, very similar.""" start="00:16:56.600" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the way that you program in Lem.""" start="00:16:58.400" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the major mode, which is Lisp,""" start="00:17:01.760" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we're seeing at the top, right?""" start="00:17:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can connect if we `slime-self-connect`.""" start="00:17:06.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the prompt. This is the REPL.""" start="00:17:10.480" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if we... Keep in mind that this is Common Lisp,""" start="00:17:14.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this has different things.""" start="00:17:17.960" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we have to go to the Lem package,""" start="00:17:20.440" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is very important. This has namespaces, right?""" start="00:17:22.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not the same. And we can say, okay,""" start="00:17:26.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`current-buffer`. We get the buffer.""" start="00:17:29.040" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can explore everything that is in it, right?""" start="00:17:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have all this stuff. This is... If you're familiar""" start="00:17:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with SLIME or Sly, this is it.""" start="00:17:38.560" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just that we can say, buffer, I think it's `buffer-name`.""" start="00:17:41.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. And we can take this,""" start="00:17:46.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we'll give you the name.""" start="00:17:49.160" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as you can see, the development experience""" start="00:17:50.800" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is really powerful. We can also `lisp-scratch`,""" start="00:17:54.360" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which transform... basically apply""" start="00:17:57.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the major mode of Lisp to the temporary buffer.""" start="00:18:00.680" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is very similar to Emacs.""" start="00:18:02.640" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's go back to the theme. I think that's it.""" start="00:18:06.720" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you all very much for listening to me.""" start="00:18:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I point out""" start="00:18:13.880" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacsen family is really interesting.""" start="00:18:15.240" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp is really good, and GNU Emacs is really good,""" start="00:18:17.000" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think Lem is also pretty awesome.""" start="00:18:19.280" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you all very much.""" start="00:18:21.200" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll be answering the question now. And happy hacking.""" start="00:18:23.120" video="mainVideo-emacsen" id="subtitle"]] + + + +Captioner: sachac + Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202022%20emacsen%3A%20The%20Emacsen%20family%2C%20the%20design%20of%20an%20Emacs%20and%20the%20importance%20of%20Lisp) diff --git a/2023/info/emacsen-before.md b/2023/info/emacsen-before.md index 58c90b10..a897e57e 100644 --- a/2023/info/emacsen-before.md +++ b/2023/info/emacsen-before.md @@ -8,12 +8,25 @@ The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sun 2023-12-03. Format: 19-min talk; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room <https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/current/bbb-emacsen.html> Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-emacsen> Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf-dev](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf,emacsconf-dev) -Status: Ready to stream +Status: Now playing on the conference livestream <div>Times in different timezones:</div><div class="times" start="2023-12-03T16:35:00Z" end="2023-12-03T16:55:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~11:35 AM - 11:55 AM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~10:35 AM - 10:55 AM CST (US/Central)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~9:35 AM - 9:55 AM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~8:35 AM - 8:55 AM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~4:35 PM - 4:55 PM UTC <br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~5:35 PM - 5:55 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~6:35 PM - 6:55 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Sunday, Dec 3 2023, ~10:05 PM - 10:25 PM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~12:35 AM - 12:55 AM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Monday, Dec 4 2023, ~1:35 AM - 1:55 AM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><strong><a href="/2023/watch/dev/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></strong></div> +<div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="emacsen-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt" default />"""<track kind="chapters" label="Chapters" src="/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt" /><p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. Please download the video instead.</em></p></video>[[!template id="chapters" vidid="emacsen-mainVideo" data=""" +00:00.000 Introduction +00:17.000 Why Lisp matters +01:26.640 Why Emacs Lisp was chosen +02:54.841 Other "Emacsen" +03:38.581 Why not Common Lisp? +06:39.120 Common Lisp is still not dead or is always dead +08:30.080 Lem is a nice Emacsen implementation +08:58.260 Why not just use GNU Emacs? +10:31.080 Why Lem +14:03.080 Similarities and differences +15:49.600 Demo +"""]]<div></div>Duration: 18:28 minutes<div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2023-emacsen">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/current/bbb-emacsen.html">Open public Q&A</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--final.webm">Download --final.webm (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main--chapters.vtt">Download --main--chapters.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.opus">Download --main.opus (11MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.txt">Download --main.txt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--main.webm">Download --main.webm (32MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--normalized.opus">Download --normalized.opus (16MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--original.mp4">Download --original.mp4 (816MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2023/emacsconf-2023-emacsen--the-emacsen-family-the-design-of-an-emacs-and-the-importance-of-lisp--fermin--reencoded.webm">Download --reencoded.webm (28MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://toobnix.org/w/qgJ84RLV2FZYyeSusDskwU">View on Toobnix</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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