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-(Amin: Alrighty, Leo Vivier, take it away.)
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-Okay, well, thank you, Amin. So you've
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-just had a
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-little roundup of the news, and we're
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-going to get started now with some
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-presentations.
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-We're starting with user
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-developer stories.
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-I was extremely interested in this
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-section because I
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-wanted to get a chance, basically, to tell
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-you a little more about who I am and 
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-how I got from basically being a user of
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-Emacs
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-to being nowadays a package
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-maintainer,
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-and maybe more in the future. I don't
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-know. So,
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-just for the organizers, I'm planning to
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-speak for 15 minutes, and I'll have five
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-more minutes of questions at the end.
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-As I told you before, if you want to have
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-questions, you know you can use the pad,
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-and I'll be reading the questions from
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-there. Okay. So
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-hi there, as Amin introduced me before,
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-my name is Leo Vivier.
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-I'm a freelance software engineer
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-in France, and I have been using Emacs
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-now for
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-i believe close to eight years. I can't
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-believe it's been so long.
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-But yes, it's been a journey because,
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-in a way, nothing 
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-made me go for Emacs. You know I'm an--
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-sorry, I was about to say Emacs major, but
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-no, I'm an English major. I went to
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-university to study English literature
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-and linguistics, and
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-I just got started in emacs
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-because I was looking for ways to take
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-better notes. I was looking for ways to
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-[Applause]
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-structure the way I was learning,
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-structure the way I was
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-taking notes. I stumbled one day
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-upon this weird piece of software which
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-was called Emacs,
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-and I've been trapped forever since,
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-basically, because
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-eight years ago, when I discovered
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-Emacs I just couldn't let go. There was
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-just something very
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-interesting about the way you configured
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-your setup,
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-and I just wanted to dive deeper and
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-deeper.
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-So the title is of this talk exactly is
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-how I went from user to package
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-maintainer, and
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-the package now that I'm maintaining is
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-called org-roam. I'm not the only one
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-doing this.
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-I'm helped with many lovely people
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-working on org-roam.
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-I got started as a maintainer
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-only this year, so that means that for
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-the eight years I've been
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-an Emacs user, seven of those years were
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-spent merely being a user
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-trying to be a sponge for knowledge,
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-trying to learn as much as I could.
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-I believe it would be
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-interesting for me to share my story
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-because I believe that I'm far from
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-being the only user
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-who can make the jump to being a
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-maintainer. A lot of you have
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-a lot of knowledge when it comes to
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-Emacs. Some of you
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-are at different steps in your journey.
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-Some of you, for instance, are just
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-starting to copy stuff out of
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-StackExchange
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-into your Emacs configuration. let's
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-say you want to do something very
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-particular
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-and you haven't found a way to do so.
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-You go on StackExchange. You find
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-something
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-that's interesting. You add it to your
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-Emacs configuration. You
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-barely understand anything that's going
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-on. You know that it's supposed to be
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-Emacs Lisp.
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-"I hardly know Emacs and I 
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-know even less what is Lisp supposed to be."
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-But you paste it in and it does what you
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-want it to do, and you say
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-"Great, I'll move on to my work now." So
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-that's how I got started. I had
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-a very spartan
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-setup for Emacs, which a lot of you must
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-know... The first time you launch Emacs,
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-you have this feeling that you're jumping 20
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-years back in time, as far as the
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-user interface is concerned. But
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-as you get to spend more time with Emacs...
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-Some would call it Stockholm syndrome
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-insofar as you can't see
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-how spartan the entire thing is, but it
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-actually is
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-a lovely prison so to speak.
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-That's how I got started eight years
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-ago. I just wanted
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-to find a way to do my research properly.
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-I wanted to have a
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-tool that I could use to write my notes
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-in plain text, because I was already
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-fairly averse to
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-Microsoft solutions when it
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-came to taking notes.
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-So yeah, I got started in emacs. I
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-read a little bit about what plain text
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-was about. Just to be clear,
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-at the time, yes, I was very good with
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-computers,
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-but I was not a computer science student.
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-I had barely any experience with
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-programming
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-and coding, and I was even less of a
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-hacker
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-back then.
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-It just goes to show you that at the
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-beginning, I had close to no knowledge,
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-whether it be about
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-the free software world, whether it be
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-about...
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-Sacha, do you want to say something? (Sacha: just
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-confirming, you're not sharing anything
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-on the screen at the moment, right?)
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-No, I'm not sharing anything, I'm
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-just
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-presenting.
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-So when I started, I had no
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-experience whatsoever.
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-I was just a literature major
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-trying to get better at taking notes.
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-I stumbled upon LaTeX. As many people
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-who stumble upon LaTeX know,
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-you don't just stumble upon
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-LaTeX, you embroil yourself in the
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-turmoil of
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-suffering, of late nights tweaking,
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-so that your document is exactly in the
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-perfect shape you want it to be.
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-Soon after, when I got started with Emacs
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-and LaTeX,
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-I discovered something that truly
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-changed my life, and it was Org Mode.
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-As you'll get a lot of presentations
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-this afternoon about Org Mode,
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-I won't be spending too much time on it.
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-But Org Mode,
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-for me, was a revelation. It's...
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-There was something that, upon reading
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-articles on how to use Org Mode,
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-especially one of the key
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-article that I'd read which really made
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-a huge impact on me
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-was the "Organize Your Life in Plain Text" one
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-which i'm sure many of you must have
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-stumbled upon
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-in your Emacs journey...
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-For me, when I stumbled upon
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-this
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-document, I was starting to get
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-interested in Getting Things
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-Done and
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-all the nitty-gritty stuff about
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-organization and self-organization.
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-It just felt like everything was under
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-my fingertips
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-to make the perfect workflow.
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-There was something incredibly
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-satisfying about
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-having a system that gave you so many
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-options to configure your experience
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-exactly how you wanted.
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-You had this feeling that
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-the people behind Org Mode had thought
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-of everything,
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-whichever small adjustment
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-that you needed in workflow
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-whether it be more states for your
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-TODOs,
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-whether it be, oh, I want my weeks to
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-start on Monday and not on Saturday,
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-oh, it's half past one and I need
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-to...
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-in the morning, I mean, and I need to make
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-sure that the item that i'm marking as done
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-is done for the day before and not for
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-the current day. You see what I'm talking about.
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-So many details that were already
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-present in Org Mode. At first you're
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-really impressed, because you think,
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-wow, they thought of everything, but then
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-you realize that it's just a matter of
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-experience, just a matter of people
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-contributing code, because the
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-development of Org Mode, Emacs, and
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-everything is just
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-open to the public. You know, it's like
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-everything is being done with the garage
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-door opened. You can just
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-go on Org Mode on Savannah and see
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-everything that is being developed.
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-For me, the shift that occurred
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-in my mind was when
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-I was reading all the options, I
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-was looking at all the variables that i
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-could modify for Org Mode,
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-and there came a time, maybe two to three
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-years ago,
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-where I thought, oh wow,
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-maybe for the first time in a while,
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-there is no option for me to do what I
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-want to be doing with Org Mode.
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-I believe at the time the the key
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-issue that triggered this reflex for me was 
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-I wanted to do something with the agenda.
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-I wanted to have a super category so, you
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-know, in the...
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-for those of you who know, in your
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-agenda, you have the ability to have many
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-files, and you have the ability to have
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-categories.
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-I wanted somehow to group my
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-TODOs in smaller groups, or bigger
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-groups, I should say,
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-so that, for instance, I could have one
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-group for my professional life, I could
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-have a group
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-for one work, the second
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-work...
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-I could have something for
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-university and all this.
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-I thought, yeah,
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-I think I'd like this.
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-After having spent so long working
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-with Emacs and working with Org Mode,
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-I had some ideas about what was
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-within the realm of possibility and what
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-wasn't. Here I thought to myself,
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-this is definitely something that I can do.
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-And so thus started my journey
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-into the Org Mode libraries.
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-I won't go too much into details right
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-now, because right now, the main objective
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-that I have is just to show you
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-how simple it is to become a maintainer,
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-how to become more involved with the
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-development.
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-The libraries in Org Mode,
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-they're written in Elisp, which is a very...
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-It might seem like an obscure language,
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-and it certainly is,
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-but as soon as you get the logic of the
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-language--and
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-what i'm telling you
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-is coming from someone who's never
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-studied programming--
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-it made sense. 
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-Everything is so verbose when you get
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-into the code.
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-When you learn the rudiments
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-of Elisp, you start getting to the code,
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-and you start
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-thinking, wow, okay that makes sense,
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-and you start developing a logic
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-for all this.
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-So, equipped as I was with this
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-new knowledge, I went on my project,
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-i went into the Org agenda code,
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-and I thought, okay,
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-is there anything that I can use to do
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-my bidding?
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-Fast forward maybe two to three weeks of
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-intense turmoil and many nights which
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-were spent
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-single-mindedly working on this project,
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-two weeks after, I had something that was
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-working, and I was pretty happy about it.
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-That was a key landmark for
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-me, because when that happened,
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-it just felt like, okay, I can contribute
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-something to Org Mode, and I can do
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-something that would benefit as many people 
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-as possible.
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-And to me, that was the click. That's when
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-it occurred. That's when I
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-went on my first project and I did something
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-that felt useful to the community.
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-And nowadays, as I told you, I
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-maintain packages, but really, nothing
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-has changed.
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-The only thing, maybe, that has changed
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-that I've turned my mind onto other problems.
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-Maybe I've got three more minutes
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-and I'd like to finish by
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-maybe something a little different.
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-I've told you my Emacs story and
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-I hope I've stressed how little effort
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-it took me to
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-move from steps to steps on the ladder.
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-The ladder implies a sense of hierarchy,
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-but it really isn't.
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-Whatever your step on the
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-journey of Emacs is...
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-Some of you might be at the
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-step where you're really worried
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-about learning Elisp because it feels
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-like such a monumental task to be
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-undertaking
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-and you have no experience whatsoever,
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-but the thing is,
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-maybe you could try climbing this first
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-step on the ladder. Maybe you could try,
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-if you have any project,
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-if you've been using Org Mode,
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-maybe one day you thought, "oh, yes,
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-I wish I could do this but I can't," 
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-or maybe do try to do this,
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-maybe do try to change something in a
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-major mode that you're using
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-and which you feel might be better.
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-I think Emacs, Org Mode, and all free
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-software in general
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-has this tendency to give you this idea
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-that I can be a hacker
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-in the sense of the term
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-that you're modifying things
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-to do your bidding.
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-For me, I believe this to be a very
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-healthy attitude towards software.
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-As Amin said in the very beginning,
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-we are doing this entire presentation--
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-sorry, this entire conference with free software.
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-Just see all the things we've been able 
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-to do in free software.
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-For me, Emacs
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-was my gateway, so to speak,
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-into how to contribute to free software,
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-about the philosophy that surrounds it.
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-What I would like to do... I'll finish
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-on this note and then I'll be taking
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-your questions.
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-Just try.
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-You've read on Reddit that you
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-need to go through the Elisp manual
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-in Emacs. You might be scared,
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-but just do it. Just give it a shot.
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-Just give it maybe one afternoon. 
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-Try to read it.
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-Try to see if this appeals to your mind.
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-If you've been interested enough in my
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-presentation right now, and if you're
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-interested enough in any of the talks
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-you're going to have during the entire
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-conference,
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-do give it a shot. I'm pretty sure
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-you will like the journey
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-on which you will be embarking upon. So i
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-believe i'm finishing one minute early
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-but I see quite a bit of questions already.
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-I'm not sure. Sacha, should I
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-just be reading the questions, or 
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-do you want to be feeding me the
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-questions?
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-(Amin: It's really up to you. it's
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-completely up to you. 
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-If you've got the questions
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-open and can take them or read them,
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-by all means please.)
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-Okay, well, I'm going to read them because
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-I've got them on the side. I'm going
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-to start with the one at the bottom.
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-"Do you feel that being a white male
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-contributed to your experience?"
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-Yeah. I mean, I do believe... There's
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-an idea of privilege. I mean, I'm
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-french. I live in... I'm lucky enough to
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-be here
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-at university, okay, and I'm fairly aware
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-of the
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-discrepancies that happen, even in France,
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-according to this...
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-So, yes, I believe my journey
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-was heavily influenced by this.
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-If you would like to specify the
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-question, please do, but I don't have
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-really all that much to ask on this.
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-"What is your advice to start learning
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-Elisp language? Any particularly good
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-resource or any other tips?" I finished
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-um my presentation by telling you about
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-the Elisp introduction which is built into
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-Emacs. What I might do... I'm going to share my
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-screen just to show you
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-how this works. I will be sharing
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-this window. 
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-I believe it's frozen on my end, so I
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-can't see anything.
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-i'm not sure if you can see me or if my
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-camera is moving.
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-Okay, so my Firefox is frozen. So i'll
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-answer the question, but I won't be able
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-to show you
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-what I wanted to show you.
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-There's a built-in guide inside Emacs to
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-learn Elisp.
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-Maybe the best chance that you have
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-is just to go open these info pages. 
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-I'm sure someone will be kind enough to
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-mention this to you in the #emacsconf channel
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-on IRC
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-but it's probably the best way
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-to get started with Elisp. 
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-You know, we tend to get obsessed, with
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-software and with programming, about
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-what's the best way to get started.
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-You see so many people who are
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-heavily interested
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-in getting started with programming but
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-they never managed to get started
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-because there's so much choice.
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-My advice would be to just get started.
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-Don't get so worried about the first step.
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-Well, if I may still recommend the
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-first step, even after saying this,
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-do try to start with the
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-built-in guides. I believe they're pretty
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-pretty good.
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-There was another question. It's
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-the last question that I can read and
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-after that, you will have to read
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-the questions for me because everything
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-is frozen on my end.
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-I hope I'm not frozen
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-in a very bad position so
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-please excuse me if
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-my mouth is open or anything. (Amin: no, we
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-just completely lost the video feed, so
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-no worries.)
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-Oh, splendid, so I won't have to make a
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-fool out of myself. 
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-So the last question I wanted to answer was
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-"Have you read Dirk Gently's Holistic
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-Detective Agency?"
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-No, I haven't. I hope it's not
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-a jab at the way i'm dressing for the
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-conference, but yeah,
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-I haven't read it. Was there any
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-other question?
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-(Amin: I see one other question.
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-"Any recommendation for good packaging
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-guides or places to start?
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-i get a bit overwhelmed by some things.
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-For example, the choice of different test
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-frameworks.")
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-Right. Okay. So that's a very good
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-question. I believe
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-alphapapa is in the chat right now.
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-As myself a new lisp developer for
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-org-roam, i'd really recommend you to look into
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-his package developers' guide because you
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-have a list of all the softwares that
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-are extremely useful to be using when
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-you're getting started.
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-If you're looking into a first
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-step for how to develop
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-elast package, i'd really advise you to
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-look into edebug.
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-It's one word, edebug,
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-and you have a section in the manual for this,
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-because for me, it was the key step to
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-getting to
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-develop good packages. It was
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-understanding basically what the code did
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-and having us something like a 
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-REPL (read-evaluate-print-loop)
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-that allows you to step through the code
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-and see exactly which states the
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-variables are at which at this point in the
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-program. That's really my biggest advice
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-to you
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-[Music]
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-Any other question? Thanks. Yeah, I see one
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-or two more.
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-So there's one. They ask, "How did the
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-freedom of Emacs help you on
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-your way?" 
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-So the freedom of Emacs... I mentioned
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-that Emacs, for me, was my gateway
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-into free software and the freedom of
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-Emacs was that
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-you could maybe... First and foremost,
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-compared to
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-other software, was that you had
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-behind Emacs,
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-Elisp, which allows you to read the code,
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-read whatever is going on in the
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-background.
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-Surely, if you go deep enough, you'll
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-end up on
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-C functions that you might not be able to
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-read if you do not have the experience.
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-But for Org Mode, which was my gateway
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-into Emacs,
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-most of it is written in Elisp, and all
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-the commands have a very verbose
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-name, like something simple as
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-org go to next subtree or 
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-org go to a parent subtree. You know, things
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-like this.
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-It's so elegant. It's verbose.
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-That's a sense of freedom
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-insofar as you can go into the code and
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-see, oh, okay, that's how it's implemented.
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-I believe in a way that's the freedom
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-and the liberty that is given to you to
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-look into the code
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-is something that invites you to do the
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-same with your life. As
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-someone who
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-does a little bit of philosophy on the
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-side, I believe it's a very healthy
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-message
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-to be gathering from a piece of software.
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-(Amin: Awesome, thank you.
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-Let's see... So we have...
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-I think I saw another question pop up.)
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-I'm not sure how we're doing as far
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-as time is concerned... I believe we
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-have like one or two minutes more.
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-(Amin: Yeah, actually, we're quite a bit
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-ahead of the schedule, so if we take a
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-little bit longer, we're fine.
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-If you do have more
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-questions, please do.) I'm just sorry that
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-my video is not working anymore.
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-(Amin: No problem. Someone was
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-actually saying...
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-What's the most recent...
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-Actually, yeah well before that.
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-"Please show off your three-piece suit
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-before you end your talk,
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-which requires fixing your frozen camera.
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-if this is not possible, please post
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-suit selfies in an easily accessible
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-location."
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-Okay, I'll make sure to do this. But yes, I
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-wanted to hype things up for the
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-conference,
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-so yes I did get the three-piece suit out.
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-I'm very glad
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-you like it. By the way when you get
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-a chance to see me live again,
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-do appreciate that my tie has both the
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-colors of Emacs purple
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-and also Org Mode green.
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-It took me a while to find this one, so I
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-hope you will appreciate this.
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-(Amin: Awesome. Let's see. We have
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-one other question. "What's the
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-most recent Emacs package or tool that
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-you've discovered
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-that you've added to your repertoire?")
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-Very interesting question.
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-The thing is, 
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-when you've spent as long as I have on
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-Emacs--and I know that I've only spent
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-eight years and some of you
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-might have spent maybe 10, 20, maybe even
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-more years on Emacs--
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-but for me, I believe the the coolest
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-neat trick that I found in Emacs was
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-a mode which is called beacon-mode.
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-It's something that allows
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-you to show
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-when you're jumping between buffers or
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-when you're dropping between windows,
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-it shows exactly where your point is in
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-that buffer by making
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-a slight ray of light which looks like a
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-beacon, hence the name.
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-It really helps you navigate buffers
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-because it always shows in a very
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-visual way where your point is.
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-I'll get a chance to show this to
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-you later today
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-when i'll be presenting my other talks.
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-(Amin: AWesome.
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-We have one question
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-from Jonas, the maintainer
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-from Magit. 
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-He asks, "When you touched your
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-webcam, that blew a fuse at my place.
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-How did you do that?")
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-Well, I'm very sorry, Jonas, that it
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-happened to you, but i'll make sure not
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-to touch my webcam again.
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-(Amin: Do we have any other questions?)
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-I have to trust you on this one.
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-I'm really sorry. Everything is frozen
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-on my end.
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-(Amin: No problem. Yeah i'm more talking to the
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-audience, I guess.)
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-[Music]
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-I hope my lack of
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-slides didn't bother you. I really
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-wanted to have this
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-verbose time with people, to be
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-able to...
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-it's a message that i've been trying
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-to share with as many people as possible.
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-In france we do have an Emacs workshop
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-that we have on a monthly basis.
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-I've been learning a lot
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-with those people and I felt like
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-doing the same with Emacs conference
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-would be good. That's why i'm really
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-happy, and I'm really lucky to have had
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-the chance to
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-do this today. I hope some of you
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-I've convinced you
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-of climbing up a step on a ladder or
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-making a step in a journey.
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-(Amin: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Leo.
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-I happen to completely agree
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-with your not necessarily using a slide
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-when it's not really needed
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-and to help give some face-to-face time
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-with the audience. Unfortunately
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-your webcam cut out, but I mean 
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-before that.)
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-Yes, I'll make sure to fix the problems
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-later on, so don't worry about it.
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-(Amin: Awesome. Alrighty. I guess we're
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-wrapping up
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-for your talk and getting ready for the
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-next talk.)
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-Sure. Well, thank you so much. I'll see
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-you all later, I suppose!
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-(Amin: Sounds good. Thank you again, Leo. Bye-bye)